187. Men in Black: Part 1

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On March 1st, 1967, an Air Force
document titled Impersonations

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of Air Force Officers eerily
mentions impersonators asking

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witnesses of unidentified flying
objects for their physical

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evidence.
They were often introducing

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themselves as members of NORAD
or the North American Aerospace

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Defense Command, and we're
attempting to use that authority

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to confiscate photos or
documented details of their

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sightings.
This would be the first

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documented admittance by the US
government that there was in

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fact an issue with beings or
people known to the public as

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the Men in Black.
The Men in Black gained their

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moniker due to the outfits that
they so famously Don.

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Black suits, black Hamburg style
hat, black shoes, black

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sunglasses, black necktie, all
tied together with a spotless

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bright white shirt under the
jacket of their suit.

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In the US, they are commonly
spotted driving an all black

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1950s Cadillac, whereas in the
British Isles they're commonly

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reported driving all black 60s
Jaguar.

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Both vehicles are always
reported as being spotless and

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new.
In 1997, the major motion

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picture titled Men in Black was
released, starring Will Smith

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and Tommy Lee Jones.
The film's adaption of the MIB

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portrayed them as a borderline
comedic organization that's

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purpose of existence is to hide
the fact that Earth houses a

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plethora of alien species from
around the universe.

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In this adaption, the top secret
department itself is mostly

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human and stands as a hidden
entity of the United States

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government.
The main characters run around

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removing the memories of all the
witnesses of all that witness an

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alien being or unidentified
flying object by way of a stick

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with a flashing light that the
organization refers to as a

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Neuralizer or as Tommy Lee Jones
character.

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Jay calls it the Flashy thing,
as well as getting into physical

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altercations with various beings
for clues to the answers they

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are seeking.
They are a copy and paste

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comedic detective team with a
sci-fi twist.

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But there is a lot that this
movie gets wrong, obviously.

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Whether that be on purpose or by
way of a simple case of

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ignorance among Hollywood
writers about the real life 40

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and phenomenon is up for debate.
A debate that we'll dive into

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tonight.
The real life Men in Black are

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known to approach you in person
by way of simply walking up to

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you, knocking on your door,
approaching you while you're in

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your car, among many other ways.
Their message is usually pretty

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simple, stop doing whatever it
is that you are doing and forget

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what you just saw and don't say
a word.

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They seem to primarily appear
individually or in groups of two

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or three, with three being the
most commonly reported and

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attempt to portray themselves as
a figure of authority to those

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they approach.
Their skin is often described as

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pasty white, but there are an
equal amount of reports that

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claim their skin is a dark
olive.

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They are often described as
having lifts that look as if

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they are painted on and when
they remove their hats, the

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horribly manufactured all black
wigs stands out like a sore

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thumb.
The biggest mystery above guys,

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you have to stop that.
The biggest mystery about these

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strange figures that seem to
show up at the most ideal times

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before, during, or right after a
major experience with various

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types of mysterious phenomenon
is what the hell are they?

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Some claim that they are exactly
as Hollywood portrays them,

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human.
Some say that they themselves

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are alien beings from another
world or even dimension.

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Then there are those that say
they are literally demonic in

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nature and stand as the minions
to Satan himself.

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Some claim that they are time
travelers from our future, set

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back to ensure that the timeline
stays on the path it needs to be

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in order to not alter the future
world that they live in.

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And there are also those that
believe that they are

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supernatural or paranormal in
nature.

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Today we dive into the mystery
of the Men in Black and welcome

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back to Infinite Rabbit.
It was Will Smith's character,

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Jay.
They called it the flashy thing,

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not Tommy Lee Jones.
My source lie to me then.

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Whatever.
Question, have you seen the

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movie?
A long time ago, long time ago.

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Actually surprised.
I'm surprised as well.

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Everybody in the chat is also
surprised.

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I don't know if you saw.
That look, look them all

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surprised.
Yeah.

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Welcome back to the Infinite
Rabbit Hole.

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I'm your host, Jeremy.
And today we're going to dive

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into the Men in Black.
But before we do that, let's go

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ahead and bring in the hosts.
Jacob, what's going?

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On 17, I spent the entirety of
today cutting trees up and

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chopping firewood.
I'm sore, I'm tired, and I'm

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ready to go.
Nice.

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Like a lumberjack.
Yeah, that's why I was asking if

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we were going to dress up today,
because I was like, what can I

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do as a broke podcaster?
I was like, I could be a

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lumberjack.
I mean, that's what I've been

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doing.
Nice look at you, all fit and

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stuff. 30 lbs since I got out.
Nice.

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Yeah.
Jeff, what's going on?

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Chilling, bro.
Waiting for this next hurricane

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to come.
Hit us next week.

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Yeah, we just had one last week.
We got one coming next week.

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It's a good time bro.
Do you want to talk about

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theories?
Do you want to talk theories?

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Theories about the Hurricanes.
Yeah.

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I mean, we can.
Yeah.

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I thought we're gonna talk Men
in black.

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I don't know.
I was gonna say, if we if we get

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into that rabbit hole, we're
done.

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I mean, I'm super pissed off
that all the money for FEMA has

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gone to people who aren't even
citizens of this country.

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That's pretty fun.
I'll just say on record here

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real quickly about the
Hurricanes.

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I, I don't think that hurricane,
these hurricanes are being

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created.
I see a lot of these

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conspiracies, right?
What kind of crazy shit is that?

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They're being created somehow by
the government, which is just

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insane to me as a conspiracy
theorist.

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It's did the real question we
should be asking is why don't

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they just steer them out of the
way instead of letting them

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'cause billions of dollars of
devastation and countless lives

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and right, because we obviously
have the the know how and the

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patents and the technology to
steer.

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Because it's an election year.
Perhaps allegedly, if they were

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worried about that, they would
have sent people there to help

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citizens.
They're not even doing that.

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That to the mess.
Right.

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Yeah, I don't, I don't know what
the play is with it.

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I mean, I actually I do know
what the play is with it.

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Not to get too far down the
rabbit hole, but it is all about

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using weaponizing the weather to
instill fear about climate

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change to an act like this.
Agenda 20-30, you know,

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situation.
Dumb.

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That's my opinion.
Well, if we have time at the end

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of the episode, once we get
through their content for the

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night might touch deck on that.
There's there's things to say,

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but yeah.
You guys ready for Men in Black?

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Anything else to put out
anybody?

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No.
Beard to Pirate CJ said.

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BlackRock contracted a bunch of
hurricane thrashed land to start

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farming lithium because farming
lithium does crazy damage to the

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environment.
So they need a something.

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They need something to distract
people from them setting up

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their own operation.
CJ click clip that ramp that I

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just did Come on bro, figure it
out.

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I know it changed.
Clip that rant.

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Clip it.
Clip it.

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CJ Clip.
It CJCJCJ will you just clip it

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already?
Come on man, don't be useless.

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Figure it out.
You guys ready to move on?

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Yeah, let's go.
All right, let.

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Me make this print load, Yeah,
whoever is following you guys

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can't do that.
Fucks me up.

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Can't do what?
What?

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Who's doing what?
I don't know, somebody was

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following me on the on the the
drive.

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Not me, not me.
I don't even have it open.

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It's.
The ghosts.

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Men in Black The men in black
have tortured the likes of UFO

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and alien enthusiasts for
decades and possibly even

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longer.
The most common description of

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these ominous men, who on
occasion show up individually

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but more commonly in groups of
two or three, is exactly what

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their name details.
They are men and they are

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dressed in all black most of the
time.

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They're described as having a
black Hamburg style hat, black

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sunglasses even when sunglasses
seem unnecessary, black shoes,

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and sometimes they are also
reported to have black gloves on

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as well.
But they are almost always

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described as wearing a black
three piece suit with a white

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undershirt.
I say almost always because

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there have been quite a few run
insurance with entities that are

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believed to be one in the same
as the infamous Men in Black

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that are wearing a different
color or different uniform

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altogether.
Specifically in my research I

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have found quite a few wearing
military or law enforcement

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uniforms and even a supposedly
MIBS character wearing an all

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brown suit.
One other difference between

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encounters with these mysterious
men are the era of clothing that

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they are wearing.
Sometimes they are wearing a

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suit from decades or even what
some claim to be a century

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prior.
Sometimes they are wearing a

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suit that seems futuristic in
fashion, and what's even more

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rare is that they are wearing a
suit from the time period in

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which the encounter occurred.
No matter what time frame their

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clothing seems to be from, their
clothes seem to always look

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strange or not fit properly.
Most times they are wearing

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clothes that are too small or
too big, as well as the clothes

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themselves being poorly made and
blocky, as well as not matching

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the weather at the time.
For example, wearing a thin,

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poorly hemmed dress suit in the
snow.

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The truth is that even though
the descriptions of these men in

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black seem to follow a
distinctive look, the uniformity

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of their descriptions stop at
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I have come across a number of
reports of short, skinny, tall,

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fat, olive skinned, translucent
white skinned bald, some with

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long straight hair, some with
what are described as having

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more quill like hair than hair
like hair.

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Blue eyes, solid black eyes,
bright shining white light eyes,

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red eyes, no lips, bright red
lips, and lips that were painted

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on with lipstick.
There seems to be just as many

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reports of them being in peak
physical shape as the ones that

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report that they look as if
their gas tank is empty, some

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that run fast and smooth, and
some that seem to walk in a

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jerking robotic like fashion.
There are even reports of them

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not even looking human in the
least bit.

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There does tend to be 1
description that seems pretty

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consistent and that is that they
like to show up when someone is

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getting really far into
something that they're not

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supposed to.
Especially around the subjects

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of aliens, UFOs, and alien
abductions.

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But then again, I have also read
numerous reports about them

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showing up to researchers of the
Loch Ness Monster in Scotland.

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Also a man obsessed over the
final resting spot of King

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Arthur, and even to those that
are on the trail of a Sasquatch

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like creature.
Numerous times people have

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reported them watching their
homes from across the street or

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from the tree line in their
backyard.

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Sometimes they are described as
a passenger in the car next to

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you as you pull up to a red
light.

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They have been spotted as
patrons in restaurants or just

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walking down the street.
But when they are seen they seem

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to stick out like a sore thumb
as they appear to be lost or

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uncomfortable or as some have
described, just plain odd.

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They mostly act as if they have
never interacted with with the

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human population before.
Most of them do a terrible job

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at hiding the fact that they're
listening and watching intently.

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Some have been described as
sweating profusely.

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Late researcher John Keel even
described one as having to take

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a pill in order to continue
whatever investigation he was

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doing in his best selling book,
The Mothman Prophecies.

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There have even been reports of
them having wires sticking out

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of the pant leg, with some even
claiming that they were

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literally automatons.
Commonly, their presence is felt

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even when you can't see them, as
described by many witnesses or

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victims whose home phone lines
start not working properly and

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begin making an awful clicking
sound or continuous beeping.

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Shallow voices could be heard on
the earpiece, and sometimes you

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go to pick up the phone for no
one to answer back, only to call

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back immediately after the
receiver has been placed back in

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its cradle.
Dogs will bark angrily, then

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tuck tail and hide, and many
even report bouts of missing

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time.
But the most common description

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of them doesn't come in what
they look like or how they act.

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It comes in the form of their
mission and their attitude

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towards completing their task.
They come to stop you by any

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means necessary, even if it
means you're deaf.

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But most commonly it comes in
the form of verbal threats mixed

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with knowledge about you or your
research that nobody else knows.

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So that all leaves us with a few
very important questions.

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One, who or what are these Men
in Black?

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2 What do they want?
And three, when did the issue of

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the Men in Black actually begin
and where did it come from?

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All right, guys.
So that is your introduction to

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the concept of the Men in Black.
I definitely think the men in

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black exist in Well, I it's some
level, right?

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Let's be real.
You know, if you're involved

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with something or if you witness
some event that's, you know, of

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national security, whatever, you
know, they're going to send some

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agents of some alphabet soup
agency over to talk to you,

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right?
Yeah.

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Like that already happens.
That's not a conspiracy theory.

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The question is like, what will
they send them over to you for?

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And then is it as simple as them
just trying to ask you questions

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like are they abiding by like
the Constitution when it comes

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to trying to get information
from you, so on and so forth,

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Right.
I think that they'll definite

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that.
They definitely do this type of

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stuff for all kinds of things
like you were mentioning, like

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Smithsonian type stuff, you
know, Cryptid stuff, aliens, you

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know, spiritual warfare stuff,
you name it.

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The men in black show up.
Because I think that they're

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actually probably like a they're
probably the the strong arm of

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the occult shadow elite that run
things behind the scenes, right?

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The Wizard of Oz.
Like their security?

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Yeah, I guess maybe like they're
police force, military force,

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you know, whatever you want to
call it, paramilitary force.

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Well, we're going to be able to
jump into thoughts about these,

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and I wouldn't be surprised if
that changes a little bit for

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you throughout the presentation.
I mean we got 3 days of this so.

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I think that the haven't, well,
let's be real, a black suit and

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tie with a white shirt looks
good, All right?

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It's it's the most basic suit to
shirt combination you can have,

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and it's a good look, you know,
So yeah, black shoes, black

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socks, black pants, jacket, tie
shades, white shirt.

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It's a good look.
And it's can be intimidating if

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you're not used to dressing up
like that to talk to someone of

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authority who has such a clean
cut.

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Now, the thing that kind of
strikes me is when they say that

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from the your description
portion that sometimes the suits

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didn't fit them, like they were
too tight or too big or whatever

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it is.
That small little portion,

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pretty kind of sort of puts it
more in a ballpark for me, like

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with Jeff that this is real.
If they're not men in black,

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that they're CIA or FBI or
something like that.

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But you have to provide your own
clothing.

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You know, you might, might get a
clothing allowance.

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Like in the military, we got a
clothing allowance and it was

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like 700 bucks for me every
October when I joined, it was

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the month of October.
So which was great, but if I

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lost a bunch of weight or gained
a bunch of weight in that time,

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I could either just deal with it
and have, you know, or I, I

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wouldn't gain a bunch of weight.
But if an individual did right,

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they could either deal with it
and then eventually buy new

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uniforms or they could, you
know, just constantly be buying

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new uniforms.
Well, when you have to replace a

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suit that you wear every single
day, you know, that can be crazy

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expensive if you lose a bunch of
weight, start getting fit or you

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gain a bunch of weight or
whatever it is.

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So that, interestingly for me,
leads me more into the ballpark

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of who whoever the men in black
are that they are in fact real.

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Because that would be, you know,
you'd have to be very, very well

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off in order to keep, you know,
have a, have a suit for the

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summer, you know, a collection
of suits for the summer.

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Because in the summer I, I kind
of balloon up a little bit and a

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collection of suits for the
winter because I, I shrink a

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little bit and all this sort of
stuff.

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You know, if you're only like
any government worker, only

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making even like, you know, 80
KA year, still, that's a tall

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order to have to have that many
suits.

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So I, I really actually kind of
like that description and how

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sometimes they were tall or
skinny or fat or short or

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whatever it was.
You know, I don't know about the

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translucent white skinned
translucent means you can see

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the fat and the muscle
underneath.

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So I, I don't think that maybe
they weren't, they kind of just

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said super duper white, you
know, but translucent is, you

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know, unless they're going to go
further into that is kind of OK,

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you know, like a jellyfish, you
know, So, but having, you know,

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different colored hair and eyes,
because I mean, that leads more

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into that they're real people
and not, you know, clones or

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something like that.
So it is interesting to me.

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I I found more interest in the
description of.

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What people have said to the Men
in Black look like versus

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everything else.
Jeff is chomping at the Bay.

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He wants to say something.
I can see it.

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Yeah, super close to his mic.
No, I'm just leaning in.

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I'm just comfortable here.
He's eating.

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Yeah, it did look something up
though, while you're talking

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that the black suit like
psychologically does, you know,

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represents like power and
intellity.

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And stuff.
You know, all that kind of

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stuff.
So, you know, it makes sense

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that these agencies would be
using that as like their, you

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know, their basic uniform just
because a suit in general.

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A suit in general kind of puts
that in.

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That's why we see president
presidential debates and they're

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wearing suits, They're not
wearing T-shirts, right?

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So they're not chilling out at
the house, right?

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So I mean that does it in
itself, but a black suit with a

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just a stark white T-shirt or
not T-shirt, but, you know,

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dress shirt underneath button up
shirt.

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It just, it's such a good look,
but it definitely just, you

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know, yeah, rings that
authoritarian, you know,

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authority.
I'm more important than you, you

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know, all that sort of stuff,
you know, especially if you're

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talking to your, you know,
quote, UN quote peons or

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whatever, you know well.
But before we move on, I just

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wanted to say yes, I definitely
meant Translucent.

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There's a couple reports.
I don't know if I included it in

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this presentation or not.
I can definitely go back and

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include one or two.
Basically, the last episode of

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this block here is going to be
mostly, if not all encounter

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stories, and there's just so
many that I had to, you know,

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pick pick the the ones that I
thought were, you know, fit into

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a sure a block of 45 minutes the
best.

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Well, it wasn't if you yeah
meant translucent, as if they

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and their description meant
translucent.

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Yeah, and I'm thinking now if I
didn't include it, I should go

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and include at least one because
the the guy was specifically

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talking about how he can see his
teeth and his tongue through his

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cheeks.
Yeah, that's pretty translucent.

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Yeah.
At least in space.

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Yeah.
All right.

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You guys ready, ready to move
on?

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Jeff's rat repping his his his
brand right over there.

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Yeah, boy, do it all night, man.
All right, so after this one I

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have pictures.
Black Rifle, you guys ready?

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Yep, you said you got feed pics
after this, Yeah.

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Yeah, I.
Got men in black feet pics.

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Oh, are they translucent?
Can I see the sinew and bones?

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Nope, they just have black socks
on.

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Wow.
Well, I guess I'll do.

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Smile, you're on camera.
There have been a few instances

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where a subject thought to be
one of the infamous men in Black

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were captured on camera.
The first one mentioned in Nick

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Redfern's book The Real Men in
Black was that of Mary and Jack

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Robertson in Jersey City in
1968.

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Jack Robertson was the secretary
of the National UFO Conference

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at the time and his wife Mary
was a supposed psychic.

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Mary and Jack have been
described in a few publications

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as being completely opposite and
beliefs on various Fortian

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subjects.
Mary was new age and believed in

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the non physical beings and
reasons for anomalous subjects

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where Jack was a very scientific
and nuts and bolts kind of guy

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and believed that everything had
a perfectly good explanation and

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could be explained by science
and or technology whether it be

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human or not.
Mary had been complaining to

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Jack that there was a strange
man standing on the doorway of a

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building across the street for
the last four days.

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He never moved and dressed oddly
in a black suit, Black Hat, and

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dark sunglasses.
At the same time, a few other

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things around the apartment
began happening.

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The phone line started making
clicking noises when the

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receiver was picked up to answer
an incoming call, and his files

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on flying saucers were found
multiple times, seemingly rifled

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through and out of order.
Researcher Timothy Green Beckley

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was eventually contacted in
response to this strange man.

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As he was a close friend of the
Robertsons.

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It was Beckley's idea to head
over to their apartment

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unannounced and see if the
strange man was really there,

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and if he was, did he have
anything to do with the

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occurrences that Robertson's
were describing.

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So Beckley and fellow researcher
Jim Mosley jumped in their car

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and drove on over.
Sure enough, the strange man was

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exactly where they had been told
he would be, slightly receding

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into the doorway of a large
brick building directly across

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from the Robertson's apartment.
Tim Beckley thought fast,

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grabbed his camera and snapped
what many believed to be the

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very first authentic photo of a
legitimate man in black.

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While driving slowly past the
building in which the man was

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standing in front of, Beckley
and Moseley quickly pulled down

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the side street where they
parked before running back to

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confront the man.
But before they got there, he

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was already gone.
This would happen to be the very

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last time that anyone, including
the Robertsons, saw the man ever

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again.
Another very famous picture of a

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supposed man in black was taken
by historian investigator Alan

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Greenfield on June 24th, 1969 in
Charleston, WV during his time

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spent at the National UFO
Convention.

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Greenfield's face to face run in
with this man in black began

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during the lunch break of the
conference that day.

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The pasty skinned man was
walking slowly and rigidly very

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close to the table of Greenfield
and his group as if he were

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trying to listen to what they
were talking about.

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The man was clearly terrible at
hiding his intent.

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It was when Greenfield stood up
to confront the man that the

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real strangeness of the
situation took place.

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It was originally Greenfield's
assumption that all of, or at

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least the vast majority of Men
in Black sightings fell under

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the theory of Walter Mitty being
that the Men in Black phenomenon

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was not what it seemed and was
most likely just people playing

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pranks on UFO and alien
enthusiasts.

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As Greenfield stood up out of
his chair he asked the man Why

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are you following us around and
what is your deal?

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The man then turned in a
strangely robotic and rigid way,

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began to awkwardly walk towards
the exit of the shop they were

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having lunch at and Greenfield
reacted and quickly grabbed his

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camera and ran after the strange
man before taking the now famous

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photo.
Greenfield asked the man Who are

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you?
In which the man replied in what

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author Nick Redfern describes
from his interview with

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Greenfield as quote, a
mechanical sounding voice.

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I am a man in black in training.
After the camera flashed, the

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man took off running around a
nearby building, with Greenfield

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not far behind.
But as Greenfield turned the

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corner and expected to see the
man in full Sprint a few feet

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away, there was nothing.
The man had vanished.

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Greenfield explains that he lost
sight of the man for no longer

455
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,560
than two seconds, and he was
just gone.

456
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,840
There was no place for him to
hide, no door for him to escape

457
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,880
through, no ladder for him to
climb.

458
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,640
He was just gone.
And let me go ahead and get on

459
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,480
my screen share here.
Where is it?

460
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:02,560
The van?
And that right there is the the

461
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:07,320
image of the gentleman across
the street from the Robertsons.

462
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:17,400
And that is the picture that
Alan Greenfield took.

463
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,880
I don't think that someone who
is actually associated with the

464
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,120
men in black would say that
there are men in black, men in

465
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,480
black in training.
And I don't think that they

466
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,720
would be, I have to liken it to
like the CIA or the FBI.

467
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,160
They're they're pretty Dang good
at what they do.

468
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:41,280
I don't think that they would be
making it obvious that they're

469
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,560
listening in unless it was just
somebody in, in like any

470
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,400
situation we have today where
someone wants to dress up in a

471
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,480
black suit and roll into a UFO
convention.

472
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,280
I could do that and say I'm a
man, man in black and act super

473
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,600
robotic and whatever it is for
no reason other than to create a

474
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,240
suspicion about me.
I don't think that this is an

475
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,160
actual.
What's that?

476
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,640
Sounds like a crazy person.
It sounds like a the earliest

477
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,480
form of cosplayer.
Yeah, I got to be honest with

478
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,400
you.
That's pretty sure I've met at

479
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,040
least like three people in my
life here in Orlando that have

480
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,320
like panhandled and also said
that they were part of the Men

481
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,560
in Black.
Nice.

482
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,800
That's that's great.
No, I I agree.

483
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,520
I I think the simple fact that
they were at a convention, yeah,

484
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,440
I mean that that throws up red
flags about the Greenfield

485
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,840
event.
But the I, I do like the, the

486
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,120
other one, the, the Robertson
one.

487
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,280
If anybody wants more
information on that, I highly

488
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:54,120
recommend reading Nick Redfern's
book, The Real Men in Black.

489
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:59,080
He goes really deep.
He dedicates a whole like 3/4 of

490
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,960
a chapter to that that incident
and he really breaks it down and

491
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,280
it's really, really good.
I didn't want to take most of

492
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,240
his research that he
specifically did in his book

493
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,440
away from him because he got to
interview all the people and

494
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,200
everything.
And I want people to go read the

495
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,080
book.
But there, there, there's a lot

496
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,880
there.
And I I definitely think that

497
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,760
that very well could be the
first legitimate picture of a

498
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,640
man in black.
Going to dress up as a man in

499
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,960
black for our Halloween special,
but I'm going to wear a black

500
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,480
shirt so I'll really I'll be the
the most.

501
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,400
I don't know if I can see this
the most blackest man in movie.

502
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:43,920
It's fucked up, man.
That's messed up.

503
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,080
Say things.
Go ahead, Jeff.

504
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,040
Yeah, on.
You got to.

505
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,600
Yeah, I realize you have to hold
it and not just spacebar.

506
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,240
Anyways, you should also go
blackface.

507
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,080
No, sorry about that.
Come on man, just commit bro.

508
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,040
Well, considering we're trying
to make money from this, I'm

509
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:10,000
going to say no also.
I have done that the grease

510
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:15,360
paint before for if you can
imagine it I did my face up like

511
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:20,600
shaggy 2 dope from ICP back when
I was an angsty young man and

512
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,520
grease paint is terribly
difficult to get out of the

513
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:29,320
pores of your skin and me with a
tendency to get acne.

514
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,120
It was awful.
So I will not be doing that.

515
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,040
I'm glad.
That's that's the reason.

516
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,680
That's the reason is that I
don't want any more acne scars.

517
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,960
All right, that would be funny,
though I I will agree that would

518
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,360
be funny.
Whoop.

519
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:47,720
Whoop, I was.
I was going to do it too.

520
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:49,440
Indeed.
Whoop.

521
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,280
Whoop.
All right.

522
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,120
I got a short one here.
You guys ready?

523
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,680
Yeah.
All right, a government concern.

524
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,880
On March 1st, 1967, the
Assistant Vice Chief of Staff,

525
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,840
Lieutenant General Hewlett T
Wellis of the United States Air

526
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,400
Force, released a secret
document titled Impersonations

527
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:16,280
of Air Force Officers, which
outlined, as the title states, a

528
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,080
concern about certain
individuals that are publicly

529
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,480
impersonating commissioned
officers of the United States

530
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,560
Air Force, the memo and its
entirety reads.

531
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:33,600
Quote Information not verifiable
has reached HQUSAF that persons

532
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,840
claiming to represent the Air
Force and other defense

533
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,720
establishments have contacted
citizens who have cited

534
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,880
unidentified flying objects.
In one report case, an

535
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,680
individual and civilian closed
who represented himself as a

536
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:53,560
member of NORAD demanded and
received photos belonging to a

537
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,280
private citizen.
In another, a person in an Air

538
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,560
Force uniform approached local
police and other citizens who

539
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:06,800
had sighted a UFO, assembled
them in a school room, and told

540
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,720
them that they did not see what
they thought they saw, and that

541
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,080
they should not talk to anyone
about the sighting.

542
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,920
All military and civilian
personnel, and particularly

543
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,640
information officers and UFO
investigating officers who hear

544
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,440
such reports should immediately
notify their local OSI offices.

545
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,880
This document came out in
response to a time where strange

546
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,720
people and strange things in the
sky were showing up with

547
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,480
regularity throughout the United
States.

548
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,200
People such as a man who claimed
he was Major Richard French of

549
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,440
the United States Air Force, who
showed up at a diner in

550
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:48,880
Owatonna, MN in May of 1967
complaining to the waitress, a

551
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,040
Miss Ralph Butler, about an
upset stomach.

552
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,880
After she offered the man some
jello, she watched as the man

553
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,960
attempted to drink it out of the
paper cup that she had served it

554
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,080
in.
She ended up showing Major

555
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,600
French how to use a spoon for
what she believed may very well

556
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,480
have been the first time in his
life.

557
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,120
This particular man showed up
immediately following a huge

558
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,760
flap in the area of strange
objects and lights in the sky

559
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,239
that had the whole town
forensically chatting about what

560
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,320
they could possibly be.
Tell Asher's we talked about a

561
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,080
flap.
We did.

562
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,639
We said the.
Said the word missus Ralph

563
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:28,400
Butler.
No, I I don't think they were

564
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,159
able to get her actual name, so
they used her husband's name.

565
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:37,960
OK, Like, yes, Missus Ralph.
I want to say that one was in

566
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,080
Gray Barker's.
They knew too much about flying

567
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:46,880
saucers.
OK so this is an early form of

568
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,560
psychos doing stolen valor or
psychos lunatics doing stolen

569
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,760
valor I mean.
Well, I mean, they could.

570
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,880
They could have been Air Force
enlisted.

571
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,400
They could.
They could have been, you know,

572
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,640
and this guy, obviously his Air
Force enlisted, was so used to

573
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,520
doing jello shots that he was
trying to do a jello shot.

574
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,080
She's like, why don't you use a
spoon?

575
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,280
He's like so drunk.
He's like a what?

576
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:15,480
A what?
I didn't know you can eat cello

577
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,120
with a spoon.
Yeah, right.

578
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,120
I thought you just mix it with
alcohol and took a shooter of

579
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,080
it.
I'll have finger in it.

580
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:24,600
And what?
You think bud?

581
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,560
Not, not my.
I was a little distracted, to be

582
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:28,920
honest with you.
I didn't catch a lot.

583
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:29,760
No, it was.
Great.

584
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:30,760
Thanks, man.
Appreciate you.

585
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,000
Sorry.
I'm sorry man.

586
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,040
I'm so distracted, you sack of
crap.

587
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,520
Because there's a lot going on.
What an asshole.

588
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,240
What is a lot going on?
Don't you worry about that.

589
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,560
It's your girlfriend, isn't it?
Kick her out of the room.

590
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,520
That's why she's fired from
being a mod.

591
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,520
Fired her.
We're going to move right on to

592
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,280
the Albert Bender story.
Yeah, let's go.

593
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,680
I'll pay attention to this one.
I promise.

594
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,560
Yeah, we'll see.
Now, before we start this, I

595
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,840
just want to put out a
disclaimer.

596
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,400
Well, it's not necessarily a
disclaimer, but just a heads up.

597
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,840
The whole Men in Black concept
basically revolves around three

598
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,960
guys.
That's Albert Bender, Gray

599
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,320
Barker, and John Keel, which
we're going to talk about

600
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,480
consecutively here, but we're
going to split them up between

601
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,360
the last part of this episode in
the beginning part of next

602
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,920
episode.
So you'll get a little bit about

603
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,880
these three guys today and a
little bit tomorrow.

604
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:34,680
Albert Bender's Story In 1952, a
man by the name of Albert Bender

605
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,280
of Bridgeport, CT established
the International Flying Saucer

606
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:43,840
Bureau, AKA the IFSB, a project
that aimed to be a worldwide

607
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,200
network for studies of
unidentified flying objects, as

608
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,720
well as a magazine to accompany
it titled Space Review.

609
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,280
The first year went surprisingly
very well and the organization

610
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,080
began receiving reports from not
only the United States, but the

611
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,920
entire world.
People were eager to join the

612
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,440
organization to lend a hand in
vendor's creation, so Bender

613
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:11,040
even went as far as to name the
IFSB appointed representatives

614
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,160
to various countries to try and
filter some of the sightings and

615
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,280
reduce the number of letters and
requests for his personal

616
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,360
services he was receiving.
Then it all just shut down.

617
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,520
According to Albert Bender
himself in his book Flying

618
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:32,320
Saucers and the Three Men, it
was on July 30th, 1952 when

619
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,520
Bender received a phone call at
his residence which left him

620
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,240
attempting to greet someone on
the other side that was not

621
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:43,440
speaking back to him.
Whoever it was on the other end

622
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,360
of the line, they were silent.
Bender listened intently to try

623
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,680
to verify that there was in fact
someone on the line with him,

624
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:56,120
but then his head began to spin.
The sudden onset of nausea and

625
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,720
what felt like Vertigo sent him
to his bed for the rest of the

626
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:02,600
night.
After a few days, Bender was

627
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,520
feeling better and went out for
a night at the movie theater.

628
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,720
While he was on his walk home at
what he estimates as 11:15 PM,

629
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,280
he began to feel as if something
or someone was following him and

630
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,920
was once again hit by the nausea
and headache that accompanied

631
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,440
the strange phone call from a
few days earlier.

632
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:25,840
Quote I felt as if something
were pulled over my head to shut

633
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,560
out everything about me.
As he was looking around to try

634
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,440
and gather his bearings, he
turned his head upwards and

635
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,640
witnessed that blue flash coming
from somewhere overhead.

636
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,600
Immediately after the light had
flashed, he began to feel as if

637
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,640
he was being lifted off of the
ground, and the only thing he

638
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,520
could think of was that this was
somehow tied to his work in the

639
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,960
IFSB.
He ended up making it back to

640
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,040
his house just fine, but as he
walked up the stairs to his

641
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,440
room, he noticed a bright light
emanating from the bottom of the

642
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,440
door.
He instantly became concerned as

643
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,040
the first thought that came to
his mind was that he left his

644
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,320
oil lamp lit and the fire could
be starting to spread to the

645
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,800
rest of the room.
So he clung the door open and

646
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,280
was blinded by an intense light
coming from something hovering

647
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,720
over the area of his desk.
Tears began to flow from the

648
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:17,760
burning of the light on his eyes
and whatever it was seemed to

649
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,040
simply phase out of existence as
it just disappeared, leaving

650
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,040
only a strong smell of sulfur
and a few files left open or in

651
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,040
areas of the archive that they
were not meant to be in.

652
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,080
In November of 1952, Bender
would once again find himself at

653
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,280
the local cinema watching a new
science fiction flick.

654
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,120
It was while he was watching the
movie that he began to once

655
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,200
again get the feeling that he
was being watched.

656
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,200
As he looked around, he was
shocked when he witnessed a man

657
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,560
sitting in the seat next to him
without ever hearing or seeing

658
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,600
anyone move to the seat.
This man, like many others in

659
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,160
this presentation, was dressed
in all black, and Bender

660
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,080
instantly began to grow worried
as he realized the situation and

661
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,720
the uncanny yet perfectly normal
outfit of the man next to him.

662
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:08,360
Quote.
There wasn't anything exactly

663
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,120
strange about it, and it was
difficult to describe what was

664
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,520
wrong with it.
Somehow appeared too neat to be

665
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,760
ordinary.
That is the best way I can

666
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,000
explain my unusual reaction to
it.

667
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,480
The mystery man looked directly
at Bender with blinding white

668
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,240
lights emanating from his eye
sockets that once again began to

669
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:31,120
burn Bender's eyes even when he
closed them.

670
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,480
When he was able to reopen his
lids, he was pleased to see that

671
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,960
the man was no longer there,
only to be shocked again when he

672
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,720
turned to his left to see the
man now in the seat on his

673
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:45,480
opposite side, still staring at
him with his bright illuminated

674
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,680
eyes.
This caused Bender to

675
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,080
immediately stand up and walk to
another section of the theater

676
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,360
to make one last attempt at
watching the movie, but after

677
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,920
about 10 minutes, he began to
get the feeling of being watched

678
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,840
yet again.
Bender frantically looked to

679
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,840
either side and didn't see the
strange man, but as he turned to

680
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,000
the road behind him, he was once
again met with the illuminated

681
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,800
gaze of the strange man in
black.

682
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,720
Enough was enough and Bender
hastily left the theater at

683
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:15,920
around 10:00 PM and forfeited
watching the rest of the movie.

684
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,480
As he walked he once again got
the feeling of being watched or

685
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,680
followed and to his surprise as
Bender looked back over his

686
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:27,440
shoulder, the man in a dark suit
and white lit eyes was staring

687
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,960
at him from a distance.
This was the last straw as

688
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,560
Bender had enough of whatever
was going on and began to back

689
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,440
to began to run back to his
house.

690
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,640
Over the next few months Bender
had regular run insurance with

691
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:46,200
shadowy dark figures and sudden
onsets of dizziness or headaches

692
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,760
accompanied by the smell of
sulfur.

693
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,960
Now many people would file this
as a classic shadow person or

694
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,720
hat man string of encounters,
which may be true, but it was

695
00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:59,560
one particular encounter with
three entities that brings us to

696
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:04,960
our Bender as being believed
believed to be the owner of the

697
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,640
earliest documented account of
the men in black, which we will

698
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,240
learn that is not true.
Man, that's fake.

699
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,000
You'd have so many more reports
of other people in the cinema

700
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,320
being like, yeah, there was this
guy with glowing eyes that were

701
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,800
so bright it hurt to look at his
face.

702
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,760
I think it was probably some
technology being used, like some

703
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,480
voice to school technology.
I don't think anybody else was

704
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,320
seeing anything.
He's probably hallucinating.

705
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,000
So we will get into that.
We'll get into that.

706
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:42,400
Nick Redfern did some really
cool deep dives into that that

707
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,440
possibility.
Jeff, you said what kind of

708
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,400
technology?
Voice to school.

709
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,840
What's that mean?
It's like basically they can

710
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,280
use, I don't know the, I mean,
I'm sure there's various ways,

711
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,440
right?
But the idea is using

712
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,920
frequencies, radio frequencies
or whatever, Wi-Fi signals,

713
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,880
whatever it could be 5G to input
information into your brain,

714
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:04,960
essentially mind control you
like directly.

715
00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:08,680
And that could be like putting
hallucinations, literally

716
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,680
putting voices in your head.
So that could be like don't,

717
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,480
don't look at me.
It it hurts to look at me type

718
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,640
stuff.
Literally.

719
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,760
In my face.
If they have that ability, they

720
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,600
could tap into like the, you
know, the I can't think of the

721
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,160
fucking shit I'm thinking of
right now, the neuro makeup of

722
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,200
your mind, right?
Like they could make you feel

723
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,800
smell, you know?
Neurotransmitters.

724
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,520
Sure, right.
But this whole idea started with

725
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,800
just the idea that they can
implant a voice into your head,

726
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,080
right?
That's why it's called Voice to

727
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,800
Skull Technology.
But obviously that like anything

728
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,520
else, would have advanced to
what we're talking about.

729
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:50,120
So he doesn't dive into that,
but he dives into the idea of

730
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,000
hallucinations and I think he
may have may have hit the hammer

731
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,480
on the head for this or the nail
on the head with the hammer.

732
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,640
He hit the the hammer with the
nail.

733
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,800
My on the head.
My only reason for suggesting

734
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,360
that is number one, like Jake
said, how come nobody else in

735
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,840
the theater saw this happening?
And and number two, the first

736
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,800
time you saw this guy with
glowing eyes, why didn't you

737
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,800
freak out and bounce, right?
Because there's some other like

738
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,440
mind control aspect going into
it, which is why he's feeling

739
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,560
dizzy and and all these other
things, right?

740
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,040
Well, I want to be honest with
you.

741
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,400
Albert Bender's nuts.
Like, he's clearly, he's

742
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,720
literally nuts.
As we get farther into the

743
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:35,280
story, it gets better.
But you know, I always wonder,

744
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,680
speaking about this type of
technology and people being

745
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,720
nuts, if that's part of the
technology, right?

746
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:43,400
A symptom of this happening to
you is like you lose your

747
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,000
freaking mind.
And that I think.

748
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,200
That's a good.
Cover I think you just need to

749
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:52,400
hear the rest of this, man.
It's like a Mel's Hole or start

750
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,760
Stardust Ranch kind of thing.
We'll get there.

751
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,560
Yeah.
I'm not buying it.

752
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:01,000
I like I guess people can say
this was the first documented

753
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,200
encounter with the men in black.
But it's not though, just.

754
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:09,160
So it's just, well, I mean, I I
know you said, yeah, I know you

755
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,400
said that at the end, but you
read that Albert Bender as being

756
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,880
believed to be the owner of the
earliest documented account of

757
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,440
the men in black.
But either way, like anybody

758
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:25,280
could associate some guys insane
ramblings about some story that

759
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:30,160
never happened with any
conspiracy that exists and be

760
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,760
like, and if it's the earliest
one, say, well, that was the

761
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,280
earliest time that someone
thought that the Kenya

762
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:42,000
assassination was, you know, was
the CIA or whatever, because

763
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,640
some crazy guy rambled about
some nonsense and be like, it

764
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,000
kind of lines up a little bit.
Like it's just, you know, I, I'm

765
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,520
not buying it, but I'll listen
to the rest of it for sure.

766
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:58,320
Yeah, I just had to make sure
that we actually get into the

767
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,480
really good stuff in his story.
We do.

768
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,440
It's after the next section, OK,
We only have two sections left.

769
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,160
It's the last section of the
night where you really get into

770
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,040
some of the good stuff. 26 pages
of this.

771
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,760
Geez.
And I wonder why it's four

772
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,600
parts, three parts, 4 parts. 333
for now, but we could.

773
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:20,920
We can come back and do another
Encounters episode at any time.

774
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,240
There's so many of these it's
nuts.

775
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,160
All right.
You guys ready?

776
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,040
Yep.
You guys ready to hear more

777
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,400
about how fucking crazy this guy
is?

778
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,920
I'm ready to go dude.
All right, the end of the IFSB.

779
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,520
Sometime midway through 1953,
Bender was approached in his

780
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,120
bedroom by three men floating a
few inches off of the ground in

781
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:51,400
sharply dressed black suits,
black Hamburg hats, and sporting

782
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,840
those same glowing eyes that
haunted him at the theater the

783
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,800
previous year.
The men who told Bender to refer

784
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:04,000
to them as numbers 1-2 and three
told him that they would need

785
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,680
him to contact them in two days
and at the same hour.

786
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,720
This is when one of the men gave
Bender a piece of metal that he

787
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:15,920
described as being nearly like a
coin used for currency, but with

788
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,480
bulges in the middle on each
side of the disk.

789
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,440
In comparison, this piece of
metal looked very much like a

790
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,680
miniature flying saucer.
He was told that in order for

791
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,880
him to get in touch with them,
he simply had to hold the coin

792
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:34,040
both hands and repeat the word
Kazak with the radio set in his

793
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,440
room turned on shortly after the
encounter.

794
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:43,520
Bender announced in the October
1953 edition of the Space Review

795
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,320
that he was shutting down the
very successful International

796
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,760
Flying Saucer Bureau and that he
would be stepping away from

797
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,440
anything to do with flying
saucers and UFOs.

798
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,920
Quote.
We would like to print the full

799
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,240
story in Space Review, but
because of the nature of the

800
00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:02,640
information, we are sorry that
we have been advised in the

801
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,800
negative.
We advise those engaged in

802
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,440
saucer work to please be
cautious.

803
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,440
Bender's announcement came with
the explanation that he was

804
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,080
approached by an unidentified
government entity that demanded

805
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:21,080
the shutdown and continued to
explain how they revealed the

806
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:25,200
entirety of the truth behind
flying saucer phenomenon behind

807
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,960
the flying saucer phenomenon,
but told him to never tell of

808
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,320
what he had learned.
In Nick Redfern's book, The Real

809
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,160
Men in Black, Redford and quotes
the then head of the Federal

810
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,760
Bureau of Investigations, J
Edgar Hoover in his response to

811
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:44,840
an unnamed man from Oklahoma
City City who requested answers

812
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,040
regarding the interaction
between Albert Bender and the

813
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,240
three men in black suits,
stating that there was quote no

814
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:54,720
information pertaining to the
hush up of Bender.

815
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,360
Redfern lists an official
response by Hoover himself under

816
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,160
the FBI letterhead as his source
first quote and Redfern actually

817
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,080
has a a photocopy of this in his
book.

818
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:11,000
It's pretty cool.
This would be rectified in his

819
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,600
book Flying Saucers and the
Three Men, where Bender

820
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,680
explained that due to a vast
majority of his organization's

821
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,840
members not happy at his
repeated telling of unbelievable

822
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,400
events that seemed to only
happen to him in the Space

823
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,720
Review magazine, he was not
comfortable with coming out with

824
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:31,120
the truth.
The truth, Fender claims, is

825
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,240
that he did contact the three
entities from his room 2 days

826
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:37,400
later as instructed.
He was pulled out of his body

827
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,680
and brought on board what he
believed to be a flying saucer

828
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,400
and shown images of the beings
home planet and a bit about our

829
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,960
solar system's history as well.
They explained to him that they

830
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,600
were here for a very important
task, and they could not afford

831
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,160
to be interrupted by researchers
or the many governments on

832
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,520
Earth.
Before sending Bender back to

833
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,640
his body.
In the room they revealed their

834
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,000
true forms, which Bender
describes as matching the

835
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,840
description of the famed
Flatwoods monster from West

836
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,520
Virginia.
It was due to the entities

837
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,400
telling him to no longer
research the truth behind all

838
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,080
kinds of aerial phenomenon as
they were the answer that that

839
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,920
he was looking for, that Bender
would decide to close up shop on

840
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,760
the IFSB.
And it was because of a close

841
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,440
friends negative response to
Bender trying to tell him of his

842
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,640
most recent experience that he
decided to officially announce

843
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,160
the closing with a much more
believable story.

844
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,920
All right, that was the end of
the IFSB.

845
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:43,640
So today while I was doing all
that wood stuff, I listened to a

846
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:48,880
Sean Ryan Show podcast #136 for
Cliff Sims.

847
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:53,920
Oh, I did too.
Who was the former deputy

848
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,880
director of national
intelligence under President

849
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:02,000
Trump?
And he, it was and, but he said,

850
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:08,480
and I'm sure you'll remember, he
said that when he first got to

851
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:15,320
his duties, he cracked a joke to
the people who were in charge of

852
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,680
the UAP phenomenon type stuff
about, all right, cool, let's

853
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:24,800
see these bodies, right?
And they kind of had a laugh and

854
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:29,200
things like that.
But he was in a room with people

855
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:35,040
that have the highest level of
clearance in the United States

856
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:39,760
government, the people that are
involved with the UAP programs

857
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,600
for the government.
And before they briefed him, he

858
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,320
said before they briefed him on
what was going on with the Uaps,

859
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:52,400
they kicked those people out of
the room to tell him what the

860
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,560
situation was.
So there is no they didn't even.

861
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,600
Tell him they kicked him out of
the room too.

862
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:05,080
So there is no way on God's
green earth that they would have

863
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:10,120
told this random nobody the
whole truth about the UFOs.

864
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,960
But hey, don't tell anyone.
Yep.

865
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:15,360
Yeah, that's.
Me.

866
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:16,720
No way.
The biggest?

867
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:17,760
Ever.
What happened?

868
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:22,400
I was tracking and all of it
sounds like OK, maybe, right, if

869
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,240
you want to get woo woo, we
could go there.

870
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:25,880
But that's the big red flag,
right?

871
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,720
Because to me, like now I'm
thinking, OK, maybe he did

872
00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:33,840
experience some things, but it's
probably like a my lab of some

873
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,000
kind, the military abductions of
some kind.

874
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:40,720
Yeah, it gets so much better.
Because then that, you know, it

875
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,600
seems like, you know, when I
think about these types of

876
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,400
abductions and like the stories
are always somewhat not always,

877
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,480
but a lot of the time they're
very similar, like, oh, they're

878
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,120
showing me where they're from,
They're from Zeta Reticuli and

879
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,880
they're here to whatever, right?
And it's like, OK, this just

880
00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:00,000
seems like some basic human
propaganda, like human to human

881
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,640
propaganda.
Like why would aliens want to do

882
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,760
the thing that humans do, which
is like point out where home is

883
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,400
And like this, you know what I
mean?

884
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,080
So it's very much try.
To create a back story, yeah.

885
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,720
Yeah, you know, so to me it
seems like some Project

886
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:17,000
Bluebeam, like mind seeding type
stuff, like seed the public with

887
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,600
these, you know, stories of
aliens from other stars.

888
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,440
And we'll do it using my lab
techniques and and again, voice

889
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,680
to school technology techniques
and stuff.

890
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,080
Right.
Yeah.

891
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,440
So CJ has been going off in the
chat here.

892
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,320
Just want to point out, CJ, you
know, you used to be a part of

893
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,960
the show.
Just so you know, you could

894
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:43,320
could have said this right here
to everybody, but you don't want

895
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:50,520
to because you hate us.
Let's see, we'll start off with

896
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,400
CJ saying sounds like he met the
kids next door for the Umbrella

897
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,000
Academy.
And then you said, I feel like

898
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,000
that could be under SIM theory
and that those were admins.

899
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:08,680
That's a that's a popular theory
with the the men in black is

900
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,920
that they are a form of admin in
in some way or form.

901
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,560
Yeah, Agent Smith.
Yeah.

902
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,560
I don't get it.
You never seen Star Wars dude?

903
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,200
No, you never seen the Matrix
See like at your.

904
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,680
Face bro I have I have seen I've
seen Matrix.

905
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,800
I can't really remember it, but
Agent.

906
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,920
Smith, man, like the agent that
like multiplies and like anybody

907
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,960
turns into Agent Smith, any of
the MPCS to become Agent Smith.

908
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,000
Yeah, yeah, Anyways, yeah.
Whatever.

909
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:45,000
Anyways, he continues to say
unless it was super highbrow

910
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:50,360
humor like we're going to tell
you only because no one will

911
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:54,200
ever actually believe you, but
that's also funny.

912
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,080
That's hilarious actually.
MIV are high-ranking demons that

913
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,600
command Black Eyed children.
I'm going to be honest with you.

914
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,760
I found I also thought there was
a connection between Black Eyed

915
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:09,480
kids and men in black but I
found zero connection.

916
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:15,440
I read 7 books and not one of
them mentioned Black Eyed kids.

917
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,640
Apparently Black Eyed kids are
lower demons.

918
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,280
And no, I'm not making fun of
Jake.

919
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:24,800
Oh, OK.
All right.

920
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:27,600
You guys ready?
Yep.

921
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:33,080
Last bit.
So behind Bender's story.

922
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,640
Now, before we can close the
chapter on Albert Bender and his

923
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,400
encounter with the notorious Men
in Black, I feel that we yet

924
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,640
again, as we often do on this
podcast, talk about Greg Barker.

925
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,480
This particular story, which
includes Albert Bender and his

926
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,480
International Flying Saucer
Bureau, is also subject to the

927
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,920
interjection of Gray Barker and
his elaborate editions.

928
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,640
In 1962, Albert Bender published
a book titled Flying Saucers and

929
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,120
the Three Men.
In this book, Albert highlighted

930
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,800
his story in his own words.
Gray Barker on the other hand,

931
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,720
did in fact become a
full-fledged member of the IFSB

932
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,560
and did work with Bender
personally on matters of the

933
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,680
group.
He was even appointed to the

934
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,800
title of Chief Investigator of a
new division of only 5 people

935
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,120
that Bender had titled the
Department of Investigation.

936
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,160
The sole purpose of the
department was to take a look at

937
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,640
the masses of sightings being
reported by letter, photographs

938
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,240
and on the rare occasion, video
footage and determine whether or

939
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:36,360
not it warranted further
investigation.

940
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,400
It was a filtering process if
you will.

941
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,120
As the head of the Department of
Investigation for the IFSB,

942
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,880
Barker was tasked with managing
4 men.

943
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:50,000
Dominic C Lucchesi who stood as
the aeronautical Consultant to

944
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,720
help with identifying known
aircraft as reports of

945
00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:57,840
misidentification.
Lonzo Dove as the Consultant of

946
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,080
Astronomy to help identify
heavenly bodies in case of

947
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,120
misidentification.
As well as a secondary job of

948
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,800
gathering information from
reports to build an argument

949
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,160
that the pilots of these flying
saucers were using Mars as an

950
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,720
intermediate base before heading
to Earth.

951
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:17,720
Reverend SL Da who was well
practiced in the practice of

952
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,240
police investigation was tasked
with the general investigation

953
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:25,240
reports as well as a consultant
for reports with religious

954
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,280
connotations.
With the last member being

955
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:32,000
Auggie Roberts who was listed as
the photographic consultant to

956
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,160
help weed out any falsified
photographs.

957
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,320
But as Barker is very well known
to do, as we have covered in

958
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,880
past episodes such as our
coverage on the topics of

959
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,440
Injured Cold, The Philadelphia
Experiment, and The Hollow

960
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,320
Earth, he published his own
follow on books through his own

961
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,640
public publication company, the
Saucyrian Press.

962
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,880
Books titled They Knew Too Much
About Flying Saucers, Men in

963
00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:00,000
Black, The Secret Terror Among
Us, and When Men in Black Attack

964
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,080
were all published involving the
stories of the Men in Black,

965
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,560
with many mentions of Bender's
case as well.

966
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,240
And just as it is in the in the
case of Andrew Cold and his book

967
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:15,520
The Night the Earth Stood Still
and NK Jessup in multiple books

968
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:19,080
involving the Philadelphia
Experiment, Barker seems to be

969
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:23,160
the only one to have special
details that others do not have.

970
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,600
Yes, I understand that there are
people out there that are going

971
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,560
to have additional information,
but the simple fact is that he

972
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:34,040
was he has multiple outlandish
details on this topic and many

973
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,600
other subjects beyond what I
have already listed.

974
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,920
I just want to mention that you
should be careful with sources

975
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,200
that use him and his
publications for material.

976
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,320
I do however believe that no
stone should be unturned.

977
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,360
So I do purchase his books and
compare the information that is

978
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,840
presented in them to all other
sources before deciding to add

979
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,480
them or not to one of my write
UPS.

980
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,960
But to continue for a bit on the
topic of Albert Bender and

981
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,440
specifically on his book Flying
Saucers and the Three Men, this

982
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,520
book did not receive good
feedback from the UFO alien and

983
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,560
Men in Black communities.
Many people, including Barker

984
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,400
and Barker's close friend Jim
Mosley, believe that the book

985
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,880
was quote, silly and naive, but
even Mosley admits that it may

986
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,480
not have been completely his
fault.

987
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,000
Albert K Bender suffered from
chronic migraines,

988
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,360
Lightheadedness, and an
everlasting smell of sulfur

989
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,880
around him, as well as being a
frequent experiencer of

990
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,040
hallucinations most likely
caused by these issues.

991
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,760
This becomes a much more
interesting detail after reading

992
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,920
Flying Saucers in The Three Men,
where it is clearly stated that

993
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:42,160
a very large majority of his
elaborate experiences immediate

994
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:46,000
immediately follow an episode of
headaches, dizziness, and the

995
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,760
smell of sulfur.
Now many Mark Bender is having

996
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:53,440
the very first encounter with
the Men in Black that eventually

997
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,280
propelled the legend into the
limelight and future UFO and

998
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,360
alien stories for years to come.
Unfortunately, he was not the

999
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,280
owner of the earliest encounter
on record.

1000
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:06,960
That title goes to a man named
Harold Dahl, where on June 1947

1001
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,480
after the famed Maury Island
incident in the state of

1002
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,040
Washington.
Dahl was approached by a man

1003
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,920
dressed in a black suit at a
local diner who retold Dahl the

1004
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,400
entire incident that he
witnessed the day prior with

1005
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:23,200
perfect detail details including
the death of his dog and the

1006
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,200
injury to his son's arm from
falling debris expelled from the

1007
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,720
craft as it flew over their
location.

1008
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,280
The man then followed this up
with a threat about bad things

1009
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,840
happening if he were to speak of
the incident with anyone.

1010
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,400
Although Bender didn't have the
first encounter with the MIB, he

1011
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:43,040
very well may have had one of,
if not the most influential

1012
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,640
encounters.
But was it all what he said it

1013
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,000
was?
Albert Bender was a man on the

1014
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,080
surface would seem to have
stretched the truth a bit.

1015
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,800
Eventually telling stories of
how the MIB would continuously

1016
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:59,080
capture him and bring him to
their base in Antarctica, all

1017
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,280
while being molested was
soothing oil by three of the

1018
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,560
most beautiful alien women.
Dressed in all white skin tight

1019
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,560
clothing with silver hair and
metal Halos.

1020
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,880
It was not a stretch to see
where many were getting this

1021
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,280
view of him from.
Author Nick Redfern does an

1022
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,320
incredible job at painting a
picture of the possible origin

1023
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,800
of Bender's outlandish stories
in his book The Real Men in

1024
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,080
Black.
He starts with the theory that

1025
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:29,120
Bender may have been a victim of
an undiagnosed case of epilepsy

1026
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:33,640
mixed with a bit of phantosmia,
a medical term describing the

1027
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:35,960
phenomenon of the smelling
scents that are not actually

1028
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,200
there.
Many people suffering from

1029
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:42,440
epileptic seizures report
hallucinations, Phantosmia, and

1030
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,800
about 20% of the epileptic
patients also suffer from

1031
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,480
chronic migraines.
Redfern also mentions that all

1032
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:53,120
of his fantastical stories came
from a time in his life when he

1033
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,680
was a loner and did not have a
sex life.

1034
01:01:56,040 --> 01:02:00,080
But then in 1954, he met his
soon to be wife and all of his

1035
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,760
unbelievable stories and
research into UF OS came to a

1036
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,520
halt.
He no longer was searching for

1037
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,480
attention and no longer needed
to paint his fantasies of

1038
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,520
beautiful alien women in
Antarctica.

1039
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,480
Many people who have studied
Bender has encountered his

1040
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:18,280
encounters with the MIB and his
incredibly popular organization.

1041
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:22,280
Credit her with the true reason
behind the end of everything to

1042
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,560
do with the IFSB, his run
insurance with the Men in Black,

1043
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:30,560
and UFOs in general.
I'm glad you you wrapped it up

1044
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:32,960
with that because I was sitting
here thinking like, OK, so he

1045
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:38,400
has a, a group that doesn't do
anything and he needs to drum up

1046
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,880
some publicity from it to get
his 15 minutes of fame.

1047
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:48,640
And that's all that this is.
Well, he the IFSB was extremely

1048
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:52,360
popular for years.
I think they lasted 3 or 4 years

1049
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,600
and they made it around the
globe.

1050
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:58,240
They had members from all over
the world who paid membership

1051
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,320
fees to be a part of it.
They had branches in other

1052
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,000
countries, specifically in New
Zealand, Australia, South

1053
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:08,400
Africa, Spain, England, France,
Germany.

1054
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,560
There, there, there was quite a
bit.

1055
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:17,280
Canada, Mexico.
Yeah, but you can have a lot of

1056
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,440
subscribers and things like
that, but if you can't actually

1057
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,480
like prove anything, then what
does it matter?

1058
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:28,720
I mean, I'm going to be honest
with you, Bender was fucking

1059
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:29,720
nuts.
The.

1060
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:34,160
Guy.
The guy was crazy, man, so that.

1061
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:39,120
Being boiled down by the sexiest
aliens he's ever seen.

1062
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,720
What do these aliens look like?
They look like people.

1063
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,280
They look like men in black
suits.

1064
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,640
They told me they're women, so I
was like, OK.

1065
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:49,880
But they look like men in black
suits.

1066
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:53,480
But they said they're women,
Yeah.

1067
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,040
Yeah, definitely crazy, but that
doesn't take away from the fact

1068
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,440
that I still think all of that
stuff is possible to some

1069
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,560
extent, like what I was talking
about with the my lab.

1070
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:04,480
Sure.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1071
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,000
So he, you know, of course
there's there's people out there

1072
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,400
that'll just make anything up
and they'll just ride the train

1073
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,480
of any conspiracy.
I mean, like, I run into these

1074
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,840
people sometimes too, man, You
you wouldn't believe some of the

1075
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:19,520
messages I get sometimes they're
like, hey, I heard your podcast

1076
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,520
about and you talked about
whatever, whatever.

1077
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,320
And they'll be like, oh, and I
and I was this right.

1078
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:28,040
I was like involved in like
super soldier program and I'm

1079
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:33,840
like OK bro, like maybe you were
man, maybe you were bro, but

1080
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,360
probably not.
Probably not, you know.

1081
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:41,840
Just to talk to CJ for a second.
The fuck?

1082
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:45,480
That that is a long read if.
He if he no, no, no, wait, wait,

1083
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,320
hold on, you can't talk to him
because he said and this is the

1084
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:49,920
last thing we're ever going to
say, he said.

1085
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,720
And this is a sidebar chat.
You're not supposed to

1086
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:58,360
acknowledge me during recording.
So CJ, we've been acknowledging

1087
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:03,400
the Twitch, the Twitch comments
in the recording lately.

1088
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:07,400
That's what we've been doing.
So I'm going to read it and then

1089
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,800
he can.
This is sidebar.

1090
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:14,880
He can go cry about it later.
Dimension hoppers.

1091
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,720
Another theory suggests that
both Black Eyed Children and Men

1092
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:22,640
in black are interdimensional
beings or travellers dimensions

1093
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,440
and their appearance in our
reality could be related to

1094
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:30,800
specific events or purposes.
Paranormal Entities Some believe

1095
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:34,280
that both Black Eyed Children
and Men in Black are paranormal

1096
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,400
entities, perhaps connected to
dark forces or otherworldly

1097
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,040
beings.
This theory often ties them to

1098
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:44,200
folklore, mythology, or a cult.
This is sidebar laugh out loud.

1099
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:50,880
So anyways, I go over the exact.
Same thing I believe on the late

1100
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,240
tomorrow or early in the very
last episode.

1101
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:55,800
But I'd do a lot better of a
job.

1102
01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:01,640
Like way better, way way better
than CJ and oh God, sorry.

1103
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,480
Someone say the best.
Hell yeah, everyone.

1104
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:09,800
Tells me it was so good it's.
The best, incredibly good job.

1105
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,120
I'm glad.
That we're getting.

1106
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:17,280
Into this finally.
I can't wait to hear more

1107
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:24,080
reports of people's interactions
with supposed men in black.

1108
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:29,600
I'm definitely definitely
leaning very hard towards Jeff's

1109
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,400
explanation of the my labs and
things like that.

1110
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:38,160
But that's just because of these
first couple reports.

1111
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:45,840
And certainly I'm not saying
that vendor didn't experience

1112
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:50,480
anything, but if he did, he
definitely embellished on it.

1113
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:55,560
And I really like the medical
wrap up at the end kind of

1114
01:06:55,560 --> 01:07:00,280
talking about people that suffer
from epilepsy can smell things

1115
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:04,440
that aren't there and can, you
know, have chronic headaches and

1116
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,480
things like that.
I actually work with a guy that

1117
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,360
has epilepsy.
And so I kind of want to ask him

1118
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,640
if he has any of those sorts of
things going on with him too.

1119
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:15,600
I, I don't know if it's all of
them.

1120
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:20,880
I'm sure certainly it's not, but
you know, if that is something

1121
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,440
that he experiences as well,
would be interesting to find out

1122
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,760
if he'll be willing to tell me.
But yeah, it's it definitely

1123
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,200
kind of wrap that stuff up.
It's like, OK, well that makes

1124
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:36,160
sense because I mean, a lot of
the UFO things we cover, alien

1125
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:42,160
things we cover, I feel like we
have gotten into that somewhat

1126
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:51,560
where people have had lasting
medical issues due to exposure

1127
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:58,600
to aliens or UFOs or whatever
they, they come across.

1128
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:04,160
But in my mind, I always try to
try to tie it into the rational,

1129
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,400
right, OK, well, I don't believe
in aliens.

1130
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,000
I don't believe in UFOs.
I definitely believe in

1131
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:13,960
government vehicles, or Jeff
puts it, black project vehicles.

1132
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,800
Which is more appropriate,
right?

1133
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:22,000
We're black budget rather, but
not through the feds, but

1134
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,080
through a private company,
right, Where your your FOIA

1135
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,040
request drops dead because they
have no access to any of that

1136
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,120
sort of stuff.
But so that's more appropriate

1137
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:36,800
to say, you know, black budget.
But yeah, you get slammed with a

1138
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:41,200
crapload of radar, you know, or
get freaking zapped.

1139
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,479
You're going to have some long
lasting problems because of

1140
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:48,040
that.
That's why we can't run up radar

1141
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:52,439
on a on a flight deck filled
with people you know, or you

1142
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,640
can't, you know, shoot it into a
bunch of houses out there on the

1143
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,960
end of the flight line.
You gotta do something else.

1144
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:00,760
You got to point in a safe
direction, right?

1145
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,680
Things like that.
Because you can't be radiating

1146
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,520
people, right?
So if you get radiated, there's

1147
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:10,160
going to be long lasting
problems in in the aviation

1148
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:14,359
community.
Usually it comes with men having

1149
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:18,800
a lot of girl children because
they're, you know, boys get

1150
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:23,359
fried and they can they they
lose the ability to pump out XY

1151
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:25,880
chromosomes and it's only XX
chromosomes.

1152
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,479
So they have a lot of female,
you know, children, which is

1153
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:34,640
hilariously accurate, right, for
people that deal with that.

1154
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:41,080
So, you know, ASATS avionics
type people, so, but certainly

1155
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:44,840
there would be some sort of
effect that would occur after

1156
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:49,800
say a my lab sort of treatment
or whatever it was or being

1157
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,560
exposed to some sort of vehicle
that's just pumping out and

1158
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,840
crazy amount of radiation,
things like that, right, You'd

1159
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:57,800
get something, some sort of
lasting effect.

1160
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:02,960
But I do like that you brought
that up and and that that was

1161
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:08,680
included because, you know,
people can try to rationalize

1162
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:10,240
all kinds of things.
I could say that.

1163
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,880
Yeah.
Well, I was abducted by aliens.

1164
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,240
Before that, I didn't have ADD
or OCD, but now I do.

1165
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,360
Right now I have to check to
make sure my truck is locked

1166
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:22,240
three times or else, you know, I
I just won't believe it.

1167
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:27,680
Well, that's a lie, But, you
know, I could totally say that.

1168
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,080
Or I could just say, you know,
it's not OCD.

1169
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:32,480
Now I have to check things
suddenly.

1170
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:34,680
And someone could be like, well,
you have obsessive compulsive

1171
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,120
disorder because this is the
symptom of it.

1172
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:40,160
And it's like, OK, well, that
makes sense, You know, So it

1173
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:41,920
kind of grounds the whole thing
for me.

1174
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:44,440
Brown man, at least for his
story.

1175
01:10:44,440 --> 01:10:49,120
Jeffrey, you got anything?
Nothing more, really, than what

1176
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:52,920
I've already.
You know, said 12 times on this

1177
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,920
episode.
I will go back to this chat

1178
01:10:55,920 --> 01:11:00,560
conversation though, one more
time, just so everybody knows.

1179
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,200
Yeah, right now we're reading
the chat because we can, right?

1180
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,400
There's, you know, 10 people in
here at any given moment, right?

1181
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,880
We can kind of keep the chat
going, but we're hoping maybe it

1182
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,960
gets to a point where there's
102 hundred, 1000 people in this

1183
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:15,600
chat and we can't keep up with
it.

1184
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,400
And the only way we can read
chats is if people are, you

1185
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:22,560
know, contributing or, you know,
supporting us, and then those

1186
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:24,560
chats pop up and then we'll be
able to read it.

1187
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,240
Like, that's the ultimate goal,
obviously.

1188
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:29,080
But right now, if you guys are
lucky enough to be in the chat

1189
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,680
when we could read almost
everything, spread the word.

1190
01:11:32,440 --> 01:11:33,400
Yeah.
Post it everywhere.

1191
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,000
Post it everywhere for us,
Whitney says.

1192
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,120
You could make a lot of money.
Off of feet pics and we could

1193
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:43,120
let our dogs lick it off
whatever substance we put on our

1194
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:44,920
feet.
Yeah, peanut butter in the chat

1195
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,680
too.
Yeah, peanut butter.

1196
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:50,520
Look at them.
Wait, I'll do.

1197
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,160
I'll do one of these things.
I.

1198
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:55,080
Got them, I got them crazy toes.
Clean ass feet.

1199
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,600
I got clean ass feet.
I guess we're showing feet that

1200
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,040
with my feet like this.
I got.

1201
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,440
Bigfoot socks on, Let's.
Go Yeah.

1202
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:09,160
I've always.
Wanted to to grow my my big toe

1203
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:13,440
thumbnail out like super long
and I'll jump at people like a.

1204
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:16,800
Velociraptor and.
RIP them apart, those legs right

1205
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,640
now.
Yeah, it's like you got so

1206
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:21,520
fucked.
Up, thumbs up at it.

1207
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:26,360
I can deal with both.
That's so weird.

1208
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:27,800
Dude can't deal with Whitney
does well.

1209
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:30,720
She she can spread her.
Toes out like this like a hand.

1210
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:34,200
I can grab stuff with my my feet
because I got that opposable

1211
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:37,800
thumb right there.
But she can like a hand just

1212
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:41,520
grab like open it weird.
You guys want to get lots of

1213
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:42,440
views quick.
We'll just.

1214
01:12:42,440 --> 01:12:46,560
Get stands right here and just
have like our foot up the whole

1215
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,920
time.
I'm like as we're doing, but I'm

1216
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:51,760
constantly moving my toes.
I don't.

1217
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,280
Like my toes touching?
So I'm constantly moving them so

1218
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,280
it they'll love it.
It's not that you're here.

1219
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,080
Well.
Tomorrow.

1220
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:06,560
We are back with Men in Black
Part 2 and we will dive into the

1221
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:12,320
worlds of nice.
Lost my track I had I had it up

1222
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,000
and then we started talking
about feet like that.

1223
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,280
I see.
We'll talk about Greg Barker.

1224
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:20,520
John.
Keel and what researchers

1225
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:25,400
believe they actually are, then
next.

1226
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:29,280
Sunday we.
Will have a special guests on

1227
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:33,880
the show and the following
Sunday after that will be our

1228
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:39,320
Halloween special where we will
come in in full drag right in

1229
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,720
drag yeah we'll be in drag No,
I'm just.

1230
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:47,800
Kidding, we'll be in.
Costumes and we're.

1231
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:52,600
Going to have a good time.
The and we will be covering part

1232
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:59,800
three of the men in black, which
will most likely just be

1233
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:01,760
encounter source.
So it would be a good time.

1234
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:03,840
You guys can laugh at us in our
costumes and.

1235
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:11,240
And yeah, that's about it.
Anything else, guys Speak now?

1236
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:14,160
No, Sir.
Guys, tomorrow.

1237
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,040
Man, does anybody?
Have anything from the chat?

1238
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,000
Nothing.
I'm going to the pumpkin patch

1239
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,200
tomorrow, my son's birthday.
Party is tomorrow.

1240
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:26,320
Really.
Yeah, Texas snap.

1241
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:29,880
All right, so we got to go.
Well.

1242
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:33,280
That has been.
Another episode of the Infinite

1243
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,480
Rabbit Hole podcast.
We'll see you right back here

1244
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:40,280
tomorrow, travelers, in this
fork in the path of the infinite

1245
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,800
rabbit hole.
Bye, buddy.

1246
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:43,640
No, it's.
It's the.

1247
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,160
Other one CJ.
Bye bye.

1248
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,400
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1249
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:54,760
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1250
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:57,960
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1251
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,640
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1252
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:04,160
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1253
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:06,040
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1254
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:09,040
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1255
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:12,120
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1256
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:16,040
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1257
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,520
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1258
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:19,520
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