152. Portlock and the Nantiinaq Part 2

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Imagine that this line
represents the time present 1985

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Future Past.
Prior to this point in time,

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somewhere in the past the
timeline skewed into this

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tangent, creating a post with
1985.

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Alternate to you need Einstein,
everyone else.

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Welcome back to the Infinite
Rabbit Hole Podcast.

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I'm your host, Jeremy, and today
we're going back to Portlock,

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but not without a guide.
Before we get to that, let's go

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ahead and introduce my cohost of
the night, Jake.

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What's up, man?
Me and Whitney spent all day at

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a local pumpkin patch thing.
It's like 100 acre pumpkin

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festival.
You pick like produce type

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thing.
It was just a blast.

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We were over there and man, I
got home and I was, I was this

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close to.
Passing out.

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And then my alarm went off to
get up and I was like, right?

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And I saw that you'd sent me the
the Zen Caster link and I was

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like, Yep, that time.
So here I am.

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Yeah, it was.
It was a good day.

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Good stuff, Good stuff.
Also, you can come on over and

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go talk about some killer
Sasquatch in the middle of

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Bumfuck Nowhere Alaska.
Yeah, yeah, I'm ready for it.

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Me too.
Like I said in the last episode,

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today is our tomorrow.
This is after a week for you

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guys.
We get the We get to talk to the

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man, the man who who wrote the
book, who I did most the

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research off of Larry Beans
Baxter.

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How you doing man?
Hello.

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So welcome to infinite rabbit
hole.

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Thanks guys.
Thanks for having me.

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Appreciate you being here.
Let's let's first start off with

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who is who is Larry?
Who's Larry Baxter?

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Well, unlike Jake, I got a nap
today.

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I I don't know.
I've had an interesting life,

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man.
I was born and raised in

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Kentucky, joined the military in
my early 20s, said I don't care

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where the the Army sends me, as
long as it's nowhere cold and

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straight to Alaska.
I went.

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But the joke was on them because
I actually liked it.

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I I, you know, I had no frame of
reference for a lot back then.

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This was before the Internet,
boys and girls, if you can

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imagine such a thing.
Well, there was Internet, but

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not like it is today.
And my only frame of reference

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for Alaska was Northern Exposure
And and I remember like getting

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off the plane and getting in the
the cab to go to the post and

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seeing like a Pizza Hut and you
know, like like normal like

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franchise stores.
And I was like, oh, thank God,

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because I thought I was going to
Northern Exposure.

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And most of the military bases
up here have some civilization

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around them, Anchorage,
Fairbanks, something like that.

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So, so I saw that and I was like
okay because I I I wasn't sure

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quite what I was getting into.
But it ended up really, I fell

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in love with it.
You know, growing up in rural

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Kentucky, the the wildness of it
didn't really bother me that

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much.
You know, I I do well in small

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towns.
I enjoy small towns.

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And I got out of the military.
I went back home for a spell and

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and came back.
My wife is from Alaska.

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She was born and raised here and
we just as soon as we got out of

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out of the army, we went back to
Kentucky and we were there for a

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couple years and we're just like
we got to go back.

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Got to Oh yeah.
And so we came back up here.

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I'd always been interested in
law enforcement.

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I got a job on Saint Paul
Island, which is.

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If you ever watch The Devil,
this catch, it's one of the

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places where they offload the
crab sometime and it's like one

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of the most remote places on the
planet.

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It's on a little tiny island way
out in the Bering Sea, like not

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too far from Russia.
And I did three years out there

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as a police officer there kind
of back then, you know, you had

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kind of had to do your time.
You had to go work for like a

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rural department or a place out
in the Bush as they call it, and

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they would send you to the
Academy, get you certified and

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then after.
Sometime that with that you

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would go work at a bigger
department, a more place on the

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road system.
They call, you know, like a city

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that's connected to the road
that you can drive to.

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So I did three years out on
Saint Paul Island and got hired

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at Homer Police Department and
been here ever since.

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I just retired from there in
2021, and now I write books and

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go on podcasts, talk about
Bigfoot, and occasionally look

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for Bigfoot.
The good stuff.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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So, Speaking of Bigfoot, man,
how'd you get into Bigfoot?

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Well, I've always been
interested in it ever since I

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was growing up in in Kentucky.
You know, I've always been a

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reader.
I love to read, read a lot of

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monster books growing up, and
it's always been something I

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really thought was cool about
again, you know?

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Never.
I never really.

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It's it's kind of actually kind
of funny how Kentucky is kind of

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like in the Bigfoot spotlight
now.

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And there's a lot, seems like
there's a lot of stuff going on

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there.
Growing up there, I didn't find

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it to be that at all.
It was just, it was just home.

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There were a few strange tales
and and mostly ghost stories,

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stuff like that.
No, no real like cryptids to

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speak of.
And then I got up here to Alaska

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and you know, my interest in it
kind of came and went through

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the years.
I would, I would read a book

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occasionally every now and then,
like Lauren Coleman's book on

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Bigfoot, stuff like that.
And.

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Up here, I was kind.
It kind of finally hit me like,

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you know, I'm up here, There's
Bigfoot up here.

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Like I'm finally in a place
where I can look for them, and

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that's kind of where it took
off.

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I finally started getting out
and going to places where I

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heard there'd been sightings and
interactions, and that's kind of

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how it took off.
I started just getting out in

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the woods and hiking around and
looking for for strange things,

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and sometimes I found them.
Yeah, that that Bigfoot true

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story of of apes in America,
Right book.

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Fantastic book.
Love it.

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Lauren Coleman's I I my my claim
to fame is that he answered one

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of my one of my Dm's one time to
to decline.

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Coming on the show, I was like,
you know what?

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That's good enough.
I've been to his museum, but he

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wasn't there.
So yeah, I missed him by the the

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guy working there was like, oh,
you just missed Lauren.

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And I was like well.
Who are you?

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Bye.
So the the topic of conversation

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is portlock.
How far exactly are you from

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portlock?
From where I'm sitting right

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now, I'm about 40 miles away.
Whoa, that's nuts.

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It's.
That way.

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Oh man, And so in your book you
outlined 2 expeditions.

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Has has there been more?
Not by me.

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We were actually planning a
third.

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We were going to go and.
Oh geez, what year was it, 2021

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or 22?
And we weren't able to get

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permission to go back out there.
They had granted it to a

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production company to film a
show out there, so.

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That's that new show that they
have coming out, probably.

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Yeah, well, it's the Alaska
killer Bigfoot show.

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And we we had, you know, we
faced a lot, a lot of criticism

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like you guys should go out
there longer, you should take

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more people, you should do this,
you should do that.

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And finally, we're like, well,
let's.

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Let's do it you know let's we
were going to go out there and

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spend a couple of weeks and
actually like camp out and stay

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on the on the in the town and
you know do expedition we were

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going to try and get up to this
lake that's up there that we

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really want to check out and we
were denied the the permission

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to go back so it didn't happen.
Sweetie Jake, you got any

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questions before we jump into
his expeditions?

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Yeah, I mean actually that was
actually that was a question

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that came up yesterday.
We're talking about this.

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And and I was like, well, how I
was like so America is

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absolutely covered with ghost
towns, right, with people left

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for various reasons.
And this circumstance could have

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been the fire, right, could have
been the the killer Bigfoot, you

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know, whatever the combination
of the both, right.

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A lot of times is the resources
dried up if they're mining

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towns, whatever it was.
And you'd think that just

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because they're empty that you
can just just go up in there,

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right?
But someone always owns that

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property and you're always going
to get slammed for trespassing.

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And so the question was like,
who did y'all have to ask for

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permission, and how did that
whole thing go about?

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So it's it's native on land.
It's owned by the English Bay

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Corporation, which is a native
tribe corporation.

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And I didn't really have that
much.

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Steven is the one that arranged
it and and took care of it all.

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Steven Major.
And he took, from what I

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understand, it took him a long
time to convince them to let him

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go in.
And they kind of gave him like

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AOK, you've got permission for,
you know, you you can do it for

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X amount of years or whatever.
And that time it elapsed, you

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know, we've done the 2X.
It's probably 2 years because we

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went back and you know, we went
twice.

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So then that time had lapsed.
So he went back to renew that

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permission and they declined.
And, you know, I don't know the

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particulars of it.
I don't know if he had to give

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them money or, you know, if he
just wrote a letter and they

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said, yeah, sure, or or what.
I know, you know, he was very he

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he he tell me he had to be very,
you know, when he went and asked

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permission, he basically had to
say we're going to be really

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respectful, you know, we're
going to, you know, really.

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Take care of the land.
We're going to leave it, you

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know, just like we found it and
be really respectful.

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And then, you know, we saw what
what, what happened with it with

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the the, the people that went in
there the last time.

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So it's kind of funny how I feel
like they were basically the

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quite the opposite of what we
did.

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Yeah, that was that, the British
show, right?

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No, it was.
I'm actually not sure.

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They actually reached out to me
and asked me if I would

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participate and I kind of got a
weird vibe about it and I

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declined and I'm.
I'm kind of glad I did.

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Yeah, The new show, Yeah, we
went.

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The first time we went out was
for independent production that

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Steven produced, the In Search
of the Port Chatham.

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Harry man.
That was 2018.

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And then we went back in 2019
with the Travel Channel for the

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Alaska Triangle.
Series.

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And I think we're like the
second episode of the first

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season or something.
And those guys were pretty cool,

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you know, We weren't sure.
We basically told them like,

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hey, we're going to go do our
thing.

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We're not going to, like,
pretend or fake anything.

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We're going to do, you know,
honest research.

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We we don't want to, Like, I
mean, I understand it's a TV

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show.
Sometimes the camera's not

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running.
Something happens.

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You have to, you know, reenact
things.

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Like, I get it.
That's that's just the nature of

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the business.
I mean it.

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I do that sometimes when I'm
out.

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You know, filming my own YouTube
videos, I'm like, oh man, that

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would have been great for the
camera.

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Well, let me do it again.
You know I'm not lying.

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I'm just.
You know, you just, the camera

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wasn't on.
But again, there's that and then

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there's like, man, nothing's
going on.

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Well, let's say something's
going on.

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You know, let's, let's fake
stuff.

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We're not about that.
And that was one of my caveats

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that I told Steven when we went
out there.

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The first time, especially with
me working in law enforcement,

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I'm like, dude, I'm not going to
go out there and like.

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Pretend that there's Bigfoot all
over the place, you know, where

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we're being like attacked or
something like that.

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And he's like, no, I understand.
We're going to do it serious.

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It's going to be actual like
research.

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And you know, we're we're
documenting what's happening to

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us out there.
We're not going to make anything

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happen.
And you're not having someone

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stand off camera and bang some
trees and with sticks and throw.

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Exactly.
And you know, we get criticized

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for that sometimes.
Because I read like the comments

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and people are like, oh, this is
boring, Nothing's happening and

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stuff does happen.
I mean, we heard stuff, we found

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track, stuff happened.
It just, I don't know what the

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difference is.
I guess because we don't, like

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go into the camera like they're
here, you know, they're going to

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get us, you know, I mean, but I
mean, maybe that's the

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difference.
Maybe if we were just a little

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bit more dramatic about the
stuff that did happen, maybe

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people would be like, this is
the greatest thing ever, but but

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people are like, oh, this is
boring, Nothing happens.

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And I'm like we found just as
much as any other.

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Bigfoot show on television that
finds or that happens.

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You know, we were hearing things
as soon as we got there and we

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started walking around.
We heard this like thump, thump,

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thump.
And you know, like just it

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seemed like it was always always
just ahead of us.

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Like it wouldn't let us like get
on top of it to see what it was.

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And what was it?
A Bigfoot, a bear or moose?

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I don't know.
That's a problem with Alaska's.

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There's a lot of big animals up
here.

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But you know, stuff happened
and.

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You know, Mary Mary Beth that
was with us, she saw, she said

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she saw something peek around
from behind a tree.

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And, you know, it's important.
She was not a Bigfoot person.

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You know, she wasn't somebody
that was really into Bigfoot.

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And Stephen kind of picked,
picked those people to come out

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there with us because they
weren't Bigfoot people, you

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know, and he didn't want people
that were in the community and

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that were well known.
He wanted people that were just

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interested in the legend of Port
Chatham.

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And you know, she said she saw
something peeking around a tree.

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Well, that's something that a
lot of people say they see in

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regards to Bigfoot.
So it's kind of interesting that

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somebody that wasn't really
embedded in the community or

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really popular, you know, really
kept up with Bigfoot behavior,

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is describing stuff that people
see quite a bit with Bigfoot

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signing.
So let's start it off with the

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first expedition.
And the first thing you talk

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about in your book, which is
this little shed that you found

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a whole bunch of junk around
that was a little bit too far

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away from the shore to be just
washed up.

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Can you kind of walk us through
that and and what was going

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through your head like where do
where do you think this all this

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junk came from?
Yeah, that's that.

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The situation is funny because
we found it and we're like, oh,

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that's kind of weird, but it
wasn't really that big of a

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deal.
We're like, oh look, there's a

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sign of civilization.
We must be near the town site.

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And then we kept going.
And then later on, actually

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after we'd gotten back, it kind
of struck me as to how weird

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that was.
I was like, wait a minute, how

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did that stuff get up there?
Because this is up way up high

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on a Cliff face, you know, kind
of kind of far back, you know,

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not not right up on the the
edge.

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And there was some like plastic
and like modern stuff there,

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stuff that, you know, the town
was abandoned in 1950.

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There was stuff up there from,
you know, not necessarily modern

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day, but you know, the 80s,
nineties, maybe even.

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And it was just kind of
clustered around like a little

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pile.
There's, I think there.

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Is there a picture of it in the
book?

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I don't remember.
I've got a picture of it

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somewhere.
No.

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Yeah.
And I just remember thinking

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like, oh, well, you know, look
at there, even even out here in

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the middle of nowhere, there's
like, litter.

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And then afterwards I was
thinking about it and I'm like,

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why?
Is all that stuff there?

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It was just kind of like a
little collection, just like a

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little pile of of stuff.
And a lot of it was postdated

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1950 when the town was
abandoned.

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There was like maybe the back of
a old stereo or something up

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there, and to be up there where
it would like had to have been

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carried, You know, there's no
way it like washed up there on

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the tide or anything, not as
high up as we were.

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It's one of those things where
after the fact, I got to

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thinking about it and I was
like, man, that's that's kind of

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weird.
Almost.

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Like maybe maybe it did wash up
on the beach, but then somehow

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it got carried up there.
I don't remember seeing any claw

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marks or teeth marks or anything
on it.

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I know bears will sometimes like
to chew on plastic, but just it

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it really it was one of those
things where it didn't really

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hit me, how strange it was until
after the fact.

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Almost like we stumbled on like
a little collection point for.

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For knickknacks or something.
So I do want to take that back.

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Actually on page 115, you do
have a picture of it, but just

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to kind of talk about that a
little bit, right.

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So this area has been abandoned
for quite a while.

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And like you said, this is, I
mean, there's a good chance some

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of this was washed up or, you
know, taken in there from

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someone or something.
Basically, it was brought up

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there by man or beast, right?
It's got to be one or the other.

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Yeah, it didn't wind up there,
naturally.

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Right.
I mean, is it in the area where

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you think a hermit could
survive?

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Well, I mean it's Alaska.
It kind of depends on your skill

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level.
I mean you can you can drop

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people off in a lot of different
places and with varying results.

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Someone will be dead within, you
know hours, days, you know and

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some of them could could thrive.
I mean, it was.

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Within walking distance of the
shore for sure.

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I mean, someone could have got
there on a boat and been hanging

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out there and had that stuff
there for whatever reason.

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I guess it was kind of an odd
spot to be like a camp or maybe

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a spot for somebody to build a
cabin because it was on top of

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the bluff there and it wasn't
that far back in.

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So it wasn't super protected
from the the elements and the

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and the weather and the and the
wind.

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But yeah, I don't know.
Again, like I said, it didn't

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hit me exactly how strange what
I was looking at was until after

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the fact.
And then I was like, wow, that

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was a lot of that was a lot of
post 1950s stuff just kind of

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piled up around that that area.
And it was just weird.

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I mean, maybe maybe somebody was
up there and the 90s or

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something and was like, I'm
going to build a cabin up here

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and then for whatever reason
abandoned it.

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But even that's a strange.
Explanation.

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I mean, they logged it up there
pretty good ways.

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Well, those that, those that are
familiar with Bigfoot, right.

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We have a pretty healthy amount
of people who listen to this

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that are familiar with Bigfoot
especially the act of gifting.

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Gifting is something that I
wouldn't say historically, but a

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lot of people rely on that as a
form of communication or a form

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of truce between themselves or
something along their property

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or so.
Or.

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You know, if they if they know
where a family of these big

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feats could possibly be.
And then there's also the

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stories of them just taking
stuff.

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They are definitely thought to
be fans of trinkets.

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So I I I could imagine a stereo
might be a trinket that they'd

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be interested in.
Yeah, I think, I think anything

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that's not naturally like any
metal, plastic, something.

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That maybe makes a different
sound than they're accustomed

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to.
You know, you often hear about

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them like tapping on metal and
stuff like that.

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I think, I think something that
maybe they're just not familiar

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with, that they can pick up and
carry.

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They might actually just be
fascinated with and and take it

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with them because it's they've
never seen it.

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It smells kind of weird and when
you when you hit it, it makes a

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weird sound that I've never
heard before.

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So I'm just going to hang on to
this for a little bit till I get

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bored with it or whatever.
So moving on a little bit, let's

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talk about this this big
steaming pile of poopy fan.

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Oh yeah the I call it the 10-5
turd.

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We're we're walking along and I
can't remember who exact.

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I don't remember who saw it the
first time but it was a big

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piece of crap and I'm I mean it.
I'm I'm not exaggerating.

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It was about that big around and
we had.

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Yeah, we had the production
assistant kid that was with.

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He was the brother of the
cameraman.

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His name was Toad.
That was his nickname.

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My name was.
We had beans and Toad on the

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same expedition.
It was what What are the odds,

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huh?
And we had him put his foot up

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his extra tough boot up next to
it.

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And I took a picture of that
with his boot up to it for

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scale.
And he wore a 10 1/2 boot.

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And so we call it the 10-5 turd
because it was about as long as

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it's boot.
And we, you know, we thought we

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toyed with the idea of of
collecting it.

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I actually had some some Baggies
that we could have taken a

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sample with.
But from, you know, my law

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enforcement career, I I had been
told like you can't really get

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DNA from poop.
It's just not.

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Maybe, maybe if you're lucky and
you like swab the outside of the

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poop, maybe you might be able to
get some like skin cells or

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something as it came out.
But generally that's not

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something that happens.
So I'm thinking like, okay,

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well, you know, we're not going
to get DNA from it, so what's

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the point?
And later on, again after the

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fact, I was talking at a
conference and a gentleman came

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up to me.
That had been a veterinarian.

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He goes, you know, if you'd have
brought that, that poop in and

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had a veterinarian look at it,
they could tell you what kind of

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parasites were in it.
And I was like, yes, so he said,

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well, he said if there were
parasites in there that were

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only found in primates, that
would really be something.

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And so I was like, well, the
next time I find some strange

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poop, I'm going to pick it up.
And I did, but not at Port

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Chatham.
But that was, that was a lesson,

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you know, I I did not know that.
So.

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Poop is not so good for DNA, but
it wouldn't hurt to have it

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examined for parasites.
If you could find something that

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is only found in primates, then
you know you're either looking

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at human poop or a North
American undiscovered primate

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poop.
That would have been very

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interesting And to have a, you
know, a big old log coming out

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of a human like that, I don't
think.

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That's called Dennis.
Yeah, that's a world record.

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If somebody had passed that, if
a man had passed that, I think I

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would have heard him here at my
house.

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So let's talk about during the
same expedition you were, You

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found some tracks on the shore
and it was kind of hard to tell

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exactly what they were because
water had obviously rushed up

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over them with the tide and
everything.

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But then you followed, you
followed that area into the tree

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line.
You found something really cool.

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Let's talk about that.
Yeah.

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So I think it was kind of
towards the end of the

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expedition or maybe the second
day, I don't, I don't remember

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we had put in on this little
kind of a a rocky soft rock, you

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know beach and we could see.
Indentations, you know,

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disturbance in the in the, in
the rocks there on the beach.

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And we get out and it looked
like something had walked down

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to the beach and then turned
around and walked back into the

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tree line.
And you know, I'm following

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that.
I couldn't tell what it was.

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I couldn't tell if it was animal
or human or Bigfoot.

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I just couldn't tell what it
was.

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I could just see that something
had walked around the beach

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there and I started following it
back up into the tree line.

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Once we got into the tree on a
little bit, the ground there is

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really not good for tracks.
It's really soft and mossy and

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00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,480
spongy and it's it's kind of
funny because you know you can,

447
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,560
you know I'm a big guy and I'm
like jumping up and down and you

448
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,480
can't hear me.
You know you could really sneak

449
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,600
up on somebody in some in some
terrain like that and I'm

450
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:26,080
looking down and I come up on
this area where it it looks like

451
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,600
a a human footprint kind of
pressed into the Moss a little

452
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,310
bit and.
And I was like, holy.

453
00:24:33,390 --> 00:24:35,390
And I measured.
I think it was about 14 inches

454
00:24:35,390 --> 00:24:37,870
or so.
I had the other guys, I'm like,

455
00:24:37,870 --> 00:24:38,830
come here, come here, look at
this.

456
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:40,830
And it was kind of, it was
almost like a Rorschach test.

457
00:24:40,830 --> 00:24:42,670
It was like some of the guys
looked down and were like, holy

458
00:24:42,670 --> 00:24:45,230
crap.
And other other people were

459
00:24:45,230 --> 00:24:46,750
there, like, I don't see it,
Where is it?

460
00:24:46,750 --> 00:24:48,910
And then kind of like when I
pointed out they'd be like, oh,

461
00:24:48,910 --> 00:24:53,230
okay, now I see it.
So it wasn't a great track.

462
00:24:53,230 --> 00:24:55,990
It wasn't pressed far enough
into the Moss for that.

463
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:59,720
We could have cast it.
But it was a pretty human shaped

464
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,200
14 inch track.
I mean I guess it's possible

465
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,360
maybe it could have been like a
double step bear track.

466
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:10,040
There wasn't enough definition
to it to tell, but it kind of,

467
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,120
you know that plus the legends
around the place and some of the

468
00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:17,360
stuff that we'd experienced up
at that point, it really kind of

469
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:19,440
put me on edges to where like
man, there could be really

470
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,960
something to this.
This is a pretty impressive

471
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,120
looking footprint.
Jake.

472
00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:25,800
I sent you that picture
yesterday.

473
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,120
Yeah, it was nuts.
It reminded me of that one that

474
00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:31,360
I I sent you a picture of when I
was over in Dinky Creek on the

475
00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:34,760
camping trip.
We were doing a camping trip and

476
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,000
it was all night, just the tree
knocks and yelling and the

477
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,640
people that in the next campsite
over maybe half a mile away

478
00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:45,160
because it was kind of like get
in there and and take up your

479
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,680
spots, really, really wooded
area.

480
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,780
It was really pretty, but.
They were up there blasting

481
00:25:51,780 --> 00:25:54,980
their music, screaming and
shooting guns and getting all

482
00:25:54,980 --> 00:25:55,980
wild.
So like that.

483
00:25:56,180 --> 00:25:59,380
And then all these crazy tree
knocks start happening and then

484
00:25:59,380 --> 00:26:02,780
the really loud yells and then
everyone up there just shut the

485
00:26:02,780 --> 00:26:05,180
heck up.
They all turned out their music

486
00:26:05,180 --> 00:26:07,580
and they were just like, like,
what the heck is that, right?

487
00:26:07,820 --> 00:26:10,860
And it was just hours of this
just going and going and going.

488
00:26:10,980 --> 00:26:13,500
I don't think I took a single
breath the entire time.

489
00:26:13,580 --> 00:26:16,100
That was fun.
And then, you know, I talked

490
00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:18,180
this big game of whoa, whoa.
I'm not scared of nothing.

491
00:26:18,180 --> 00:26:18,940
Yeah.
No, I was.

492
00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:21,780
If I had to go, I'd be filling
up my pants.

493
00:26:21,780 --> 00:26:25,500
But we we ended up waking up the
next morning.

494
00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:28,180
All all the adults were all
talking about it.

495
00:26:28,180 --> 00:26:31,060
It was my my older brother and
all of his friends he grew up

496
00:26:31,060 --> 00:26:32,660
with.
Everyone's all talking about it

497
00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:34,860
and unfortunately had a bunch of
kids with us.

498
00:26:34,860 --> 00:26:36,580
And so everything up there's
really dusty.

499
00:26:36,580 --> 00:26:39,100
And so it's great for leaving
footprints with the kids up

500
00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:41,260
there, just running around,
kicking all the dirt everywhere

501
00:26:41,260 --> 00:26:43,980
and whatever, so you you can't
get a clear print of anything

502
00:26:43,980 --> 00:26:45,660
except for little little shoes,
right?

503
00:26:46,980 --> 00:26:49,700
But behind my tent was just
this.

504
00:26:50,020 --> 00:26:52,740
Monster.
Bare footprint, right?

505
00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:57,180
And not not bear, but bear.
Yeah, human footprint, man.

506
00:26:57,420 --> 00:27:01,300
Man is big, right?
And I I took a picture of it and

507
00:27:01,300 --> 00:27:03,580
I waited until we got down into
Shaver Lake where we actually

508
00:27:03,580 --> 00:27:05,100
had cell phone signal.
I sent it to Jeremy.

509
00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:06,100
I was like, dude, check this
out.

510
00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:09,020
And then on the other side of
that, in the direction of

511
00:27:09,020 --> 00:27:11,860
travel, it was, it had gone
through this.

512
00:27:12,650 --> 00:27:14,850
Dirt pit where all the kids are
kicking up everything, right.

513
00:27:14,850 --> 00:27:16,450
So I was like, well, that would
have been nice.

514
00:27:16,650 --> 00:27:19,130
And then in direction to travel
on the other side of that was

515
00:27:19,130 --> 00:27:21,650
where the the dust stopped and
it was pretty heavy pine needles

516
00:27:21,650 --> 00:27:22,930
and stuff.
And then just kind of went

517
00:27:22,930 --> 00:27:25,610
through there and it was like,
well, but there was the only

518
00:27:25,610 --> 00:27:27,210
one.
And I sent him this, this

519
00:27:27,210 --> 00:27:31,010
picture and he was like, holy
crap, I was like and I I tell

520
00:27:31,010 --> 00:27:32,890
him what was going on and
everything like that.

521
00:27:32,890 --> 00:27:36,290
I was like, it's my first not
seeing something but first

522
00:27:36,290 --> 00:27:37,890
experience hearing something
like that.

523
00:27:37,890 --> 00:27:40,060
It was pretty wild.
And I was just like, all right,

524
00:27:40,060 --> 00:27:42,100
maybe there's something too.
All your crazy claims, yeah.

525
00:27:43,460 --> 00:27:46,740
I immediately bought him a
casting kit and sent it to him.

526
00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:50,220
Yeah, yeah.
I looked at that picture.

527
00:27:50,220 --> 00:27:52,500
He sent me that picture and I
was just like, man, that looks

528
00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:56,750
just like what I saw, you know?
It's it's crazy.

529
00:27:56,750 --> 00:28:00,150
It's just like, yeah, I guess
it's possible that as a guy was

530
00:28:00,150 --> 00:28:03,310
running around barefoot with,
you know, 14 or 16 inch feet,

531
00:28:03,310 --> 00:28:05,750
like I I knew a kid in high
school that had monster feet

532
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:08,430
like that because also 69,
right?

533
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:11,270
Like, I was like, but how many
people are there, especially in

534
00:28:11,270 --> 00:28:13,310
the middle of nowhere, just
walking around?

535
00:28:14,430 --> 00:28:17,030
Not, not many without a ton of
hair.

536
00:28:17,270 --> 00:28:19,870
All right, but no.
There.

537
00:28:19,910 --> 00:28:22,230
This is this.
Is rehearsal breaks and whatnot.

538
00:28:22,350 --> 00:28:24,190
Yeah, this is an awesome
picture.

539
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:27,480
I mean, you look at this and
yeah, like you said, it could

540
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,640
possibly be one of those double
prints from bears.

541
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:36,080
But you could, you could tell
how the depth gets gets deeper

542
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,680
as it gets to right where the
hinge of the toes meet, like

543
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,200
that really fatty part of the
foot, you know?

544
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,320
Well, it seems like it's, you
know, bears kind of have almost

545
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,000
like a like a triangle shaped
foot, you know?

546
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,430
Yeah, like that.
And this looks almost more like

547
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:55,870
a human where the toes are
structured, you know, at an

548
00:28:55,910 --> 00:28:59,110
angle, right?
It's clearly a right foot.

549
00:28:59,750 --> 00:29:04,510
Yeah, yeah, no, this is nuts.
I actually, I use this on the

550
00:29:04,510 --> 00:29:06,870
thumbnail for the episode.
So if anybody's listening to

551
00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:10,350
this right now and they can see
the thumbnail of the show or of

552
00:29:10,350 --> 00:29:12,790
this episode, it is the picture
on the bottom left.

553
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:15,190
Larry outside of TI, use all
your pictures for you.

554
00:29:15,670 --> 00:29:18,030
I appreciate that.
All the pictures.

555
00:29:18,430 --> 00:29:22,070
We had some strange like.
There was we're walking through

556
00:29:23,070 --> 00:29:26,750
and there's just blueberries
everywhere, you know?

557
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:30,630
And it was kind of, it was kind
of weird how we were walking

558
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:34,350
through this area.
And there's these blueberry

559
00:29:34,350 --> 00:29:37,750
bushes that have obviously just
been massacred by bears.

560
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:40,870
I mean, they're empty blueberry.
Maybe there's a blueberry here

561
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:43,350
or there.
You know, bear poop all over the

562
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:45,120
place.
You know, we certainly found

563
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,640
some bear poop, definitely.
I mean, you know, no, like

564
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,640
that's bear poop, no question
about it.

565
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,160
And all these Berry bushes are
just almost pick clean.

566
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,040
And then it was kind of weird
because it was almost like we

567
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,760
went through this invisible
barrier and there's just full

568
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,240
Berry bushes with no, no,
nothing taken off.

569
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,000
You know, we actually were walk,
we were walking by and you know,

570
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,440
eating as we're walking, you
know, like right off the the

571
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,700
Bush, you know?
And that area, there were no

572
00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:16,940
bear tracks, no bear poop, the
bushes hadn't been touched.

573
00:30:17,740 --> 00:30:20,660
And I said later on I was like,
man, it's almost like we passed

574
00:30:20,660 --> 00:30:23,220
through this invisible barrier
where the bears don't go.

575
00:30:24,420 --> 00:30:28,060
And there's one of my favorite
Bigfoot stories.

576
00:30:28,380 --> 00:30:30,140
It's more of an anecdote than
anything.

577
00:30:30,140 --> 00:30:31,780
It's in Raincoat Sasquatch by
Robert Alley.

578
00:30:31,780 --> 00:30:33,220
If you hadn't read that, you
need to check it out.

579
00:30:33,820 --> 00:30:37,300
I just ordered it.
Where there's a gentleman on a

580
00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:40,300
boat and he's staring at a
shoreline and he sees.

581
00:30:41,060 --> 00:30:44,900
A bear walk out on a huge brown
bear walk out on the beach,

582
00:30:45,140 --> 00:30:48,140
stop, sniff, turn around, walk
back.

583
00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:51,740
And then on the other side of
the beach, like stage left, you

584
00:30:51,740 --> 00:30:54,100
know he sees a Bigfoot walk down
the beach.

585
00:30:54,460 --> 00:30:56,900
The Bigfoot stops, sniffs the
air turns around, walks back.

586
00:30:56,900 --> 00:30:58,180
Almost like the bear in the
Bigfoot.

587
00:30:58,180 --> 00:31:01,060
We're like, Oh no, you know,
we're going to avoid each other.

588
00:31:01,780 --> 00:31:05,140
And ever since I read that story
and then my experience in Port

589
00:31:05,140 --> 00:31:08,090
Chatham with the.
The invisible barrier where the

590
00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:10,090
the berries get eaten over here
and not over here.

591
00:31:10,090 --> 00:31:11,970
I've always wondered.
I've always had the theory that

592
00:31:11,970 --> 00:31:15,290
maybe just they just respect
each other's territory and they

593
00:31:15,290 --> 00:31:16,410
don't really.
There's a line they're not going

594
00:31:16,410 --> 00:31:17,490
to cross.
They're not going to go over

595
00:31:17,490 --> 00:31:20,850
there and eat those berries
because maybe that's Bigfoot's

596
00:31:20,850 --> 00:31:22,010
territory.
I don't know.

597
00:31:22,970 --> 00:31:26,170
It's got to be a pretty, pretty
even fight between the two of

598
00:31:26,170 --> 00:31:28,890
them.
They probably, you know, they

599
00:31:28,890 --> 00:31:31,210
probably learned the hard way a
couple times.

600
00:31:31,530 --> 00:31:35,850
Yeah, I don't think there's a
ton of interactions between them

601
00:31:36,010 --> 00:31:38,050
that turn violent.
I think most of the time they

602
00:31:38,050 --> 00:31:40,930
probably just go the other way
because it's not worth the

603
00:31:41,570 --> 00:31:45,210
expenditure of energy for either
party unless they're really

604
00:31:45,210 --> 00:31:48,450
hurting for a meal or something.
Yeah.

605
00:31:49,210 --> 00:31:51,210
So let's talk about this
infrared hit.

606
00:31:51,650 --> 00:31:56,690
That's pretty interesting, man.
So that was not too far from

607
00:31:56,690 --> 00:32:00,720
where we found the track.
That was the area that Stephen

608
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,600
you know Stephen he's he's
dramatic he like he like to give

609
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,240
these places because we're in
Port Chatham but we don't know

610
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,440
what the, you know like we'll go
to these various places and

611
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,320
we're like well what do we call
this area over here And Stephen

612
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,920
was really good about like we'll
call this the valley of death.

613
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:20,160
You know so he he for whatever
reason I don't even think it was

614
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,320
a valley.
He liked to call that area of

615
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,840
the Valley of death where we
found the track and then you

616
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,400
know we got the thermal hit, you
know, we that he's like, that's

617
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:28,640
a lot of there's stuff going on
over there.

618
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:29,680
We'll call that the Valley of
Death.

619
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:37,400
So this was in that same area,
and we're walking along, and I

620
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:42,800
was walking with the female in
the party and she, she stopped

621
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,440
and she's like, man, I feel like
we're being watched.

622
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,280
And I was like, yeah, I kind of
feel a little weird too, because

623
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,240
the whole time I'm there, like
I've got a pretty good vibe

624
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,400
going on.
Like it's creepy and it's, it's

625
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,800
spooky.
It's kind of like, you know,

626
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,280
Jurassic Park.
But I was never like.

627
00:32:56,150 --> 00:32:59,470
Oh, I'm scared.
You know, like I I never really

628
00:32:59,470 --> 00:33:03,030
got creeped out too bad.
Just it was just like walking

629
00:33:03,030 --> 00:33:06,950
through, you know normal dark
forest, you know?

630
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:12,990
And so I pull out my thermal.
I had a a fleer scout, which is

631
00:33:12,990 --> 00:33:15,550
like the cheap at the time it
was like the cheapest thermal

632
00:33:15,550 --> 00:33:19,870
you could buy and it's supposed
to have a range of like 100

633
00:33:19,870 --> 00:33:21,310
yards.
And I can assure you it does

634
00:33:21,310 --> 00:33:25,270
not.
And I'm scanning this tree line.

635
00:33:26,150 --> 00:33:29,190
And I see I had black, you know,
I like black as hot.

636
00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:32,270
I know some people go the
opposite way and they want red

637
00:33:32,270 --> 00:33:36,030
hot or red hot or white hot.
But I I like black hot.

638
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:42,790
And I'm scanning and I see this
figure just in inside the tree

639
00:33:42,790 --> 00:33:48,310
line kind of doing this.
It's raising its arms up and

640
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:53,110
down and it looks of the, you
know, it's a black silhouette.

641
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:54,990
That's all I can see of it.
And it looks.

642
00:33:56,570 --> 00:34:01,130
Swear to God, it looks like
Donkey Kong, the video game

643
00:34:01,130 --> 00:34:05,450
character.
And you know, it it it's what

644
00:34:05,450 --> 00:34:06,570
they call it, the curse of
Bigfoot.

645
00:34:06,570 --> 00:34:09,650
You know, like, we're there.
We we were there because of the

646
00:34:09,650 --> 00:34:11,489
stories about Bigfoot.
Like, we're there to do a

647
00:34:11,489 --> 00:34:12,889
documentary called In Search of
the Porch.

648
00:34:12,889 --> 00:34:15,330
I don't marry a man.
We're looking for Bigfoot.

649
00:34:16,090 --> 00:34:19,130
I look through my thermal scope.
I see something that looks like

650
00:34:19,130 --> 00:34:24,370
a gorilla, and what do I do?
I go.

651
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,960
Do you see that?
And hand the thermal scope off

652
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,040
to somebody else?
And I think I handed it to Toad.

653
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,320
And you know, he was a younger
kid.

654
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,800
He was like in his early 20s, I
think at this time or maybe not

655
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,400
even.
And I'm like, look over there,

656
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,440
what do you see?
And he looks through the thermal

657
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:48,360
unit and he goes, it looks like
a dude and I'm like, right?

658
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,440
And I can't see anything with my
naked eye.

659
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,280
I just.
It's kind of.

660
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,400
It's kind of getting late in the
evening.

661
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,719
I think it was filmed about 6:30
PM, something like that.

662
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,920
I think the time stamps on the
the video.

663
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,120
And of course at this time, you
know the toad still has my

664
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,640
thermal.
I think maybe he passes it to

665
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,000
read or or somebody else.
I I don't remember.

666
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,880
And then finally it makes its
way back to me.

667
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,880
Well, then by that time I'm like
maybe, just maybe I should hit

668
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:18,280
record and document this.
So I put it back up to my eye.

669
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,360
It's still there, but it's it's
not as defined.

670
00:35:22,730 --> 00:35:26,370
It's like it's it's moving back,
you know, it's like kind of

671
00:35:26,370 --> 00:35:31,290
receding into the tree line.
So I hit record, I film, I don't

672
00:35:31,290 --> 00:35:36,610
know, 1015 seconds of it.
You can't really make out arms

673
00:35:36,610 --> 00:35:39,730
or or or legs or head anymore,
but you can't kind of see like

674
00:35:39,730 --> 00:35:41,330
okay.
It looks like maybe a torso

675
00:35:41,330 --> 00:35:45,970
sitting on some legs.
It does kind of maybe like move

676
00:35:45,970 --> 00:35:51,250
to one side and the the ground,
you know, it's not like where I

677
00:35:51,250 --> 00:35:53,860
could just start like.
Walking towards it, I had to

678
00:35:53,860 --> 00:35:58,820
stop looking through the thermal
and walk and and that's what we

679
00:35:58,820 --> 00:36:00,060
did.
We started walking towards it.

680
00:36:00,580 --> 00:36:02,780
You know, it was almost like one
of those Ghostbusters, you know,

681
00:36:02,780 --> 00:36:05,220
like get her, you know, okay,
there it is.

682
00:36:05,220 --> 00:36:08,940
What do we do?
So we start walking towards it

683
00:36:08,940 --> 00:36:15,020
and I had to to look away so I
wouldn't fall or trip over like

684
00:36:15,020 --> 00:36:17,100
a branch or so.
You saw the terrain, you know

685
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:19,740
that we're walking through there
and.

686
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:23,790
I I eventually, you know, I
would look back to try and see

687
00:36:23,790 --> 00:36:26,190
it again and as soon as we
started moving towards it, it

688
00:36:26,190 --> 00:36:27,910
disappeared.
And I don't mean disappeared

689
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:30,350
like poof.
I mean just I looked away

690
00:36:31,230 --> 00:36:38,030
stepped over some debris looked
back could not find it and that

691
00:36:38,030 --> 00:36:41,110
was that's the the story of the
Port Chatham thermal footage.

692
00:36:43,230 --> 00:36:47,070
You know, unfortunately if I I
say to this day if I hit record

693
00:36:47,070 --> 00:36:50,070
as soon as I saw it.
It would probably be the best

694
00:36:50,070 --> 00:36:52,070
thermal footage probably ever
recorded.

695
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:55,190
But you know, it's the curse of
Bigfoot.

696
00:36:55,190 --> 00:37:00,470
You know, I guess if if we if
everybody that had a camera or

697
00:37:00,630 --> 00:37:03,190
you know, a thermal hit record
when they were supposed to, this

698
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:04,550
would have been over a long time
ago.

699
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:09,350
So all I got was a blobsquatch.
And you know, I, I know a lot of

700
00:37:09,350 --> 00:37:11,670
people are like, oh, well, you
know, sure that's what happened.

701
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:14,390
I mean, you know, I'm just
telling you what happened, man.

702
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:17,270
I don't you know that's that's
what happened.

703
00:37:17,810 --> 00:37:20,530
I get it all the time man.
I had a the the whole reason why

704
00:37:20,530 --> 00:37:22,850
I'm into all this is because
when I was nine years old I saw

705
00:37:22,850 --> 00:37:25,730
something in the woods that that
you know when I was nine that

706
00:37:25,770 --> 00:37:27,770
had zero fucking clue what it
was.

707
00:37:28,290 --> 00:37:31,850
Turns out the the best way to
define it is a Bigfoot.

708
00:37:32,370 --> 00:37:35,770
It wasn't as big as like what
they explain you know now as

709
00:37:35,770 --> 00:37:39,370
like these 10 foot behemoths.
You know, I think this was

710
00:37:39,370 --> 00:37:43,130
probably like 5 or 6 feet tall.
But again, I was, I was 9.

711
00:37:43,130 --> 00:37:49,540
So my, I can't tell you exactly,
but yeah, I I used to get it all

712
00:37:49,540 --> 00:37:51,460
the time.
I still get it, still get it

713
00:37:51,460 --> 00:37:52,660
sometimes.
But you know, yeah.

714
00:37:52,780 --> 00:37:56,140
It it is full of crap.
Every day you're full of crap.

715
00:37:56,220 --> 00:37:57,660
You're annoying.
You can't remember that far

716
00:37:57,660 --> 00:37:59,180
back.
I I do.

717
00:37:59,180 --> 00:38:00,260
I do, man.
I do.

718
00:38:00,260 --> 00:38:02,860
And and The funny thing is, is
we were talking about it

719
00:38:02,900 --> 00:38:06,260
yesterday during the recording
is that that story about the

720
00:38:06,260 --> 00:38:10,660
moose that that's very similar
to what I saw like in real life,

721
00:38:10,660 --> 00:38:15,870
but I saw it with the deer.
So I I purposely included that

722
00:38:15,870 --> 00:38:18,430
in the episode yesterday because
because of my story.

723
00:38:19,350 --> 00:38:23,990
But enough about me, right as
you're wrapping up this first

724
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:30,110
expedition into the port Chatham
port lock area, you you're going

725
00:38:30,110 --> 00:38:33,830
to retrieve your cameras from
Death Valley and you get a call

726
00:38:33,830 --> 00:38:37,310
over the radio from Steven.
Let's talk about that.

727
00:38:38,070 --> 00:38:42,390
Yeah, Steven, we actually
separated a little bit and it

728
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:44,540
was in the.
That area where I got the

729
00:38:44,540 --> 00:38:48,100
thermal hit the day before, not
not that exact area but I mean

730
00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:52,300
close enough you know within
like a few like a minute or two

731
00:38:52,300 --> 00:38:57,740
walking distance and I was
walking toward the camera and

732
00:38:57,820 --> 00:38:59,820
Steven comes over the radio was
like man I swear I just saw

733
00:38:59,820 --> 00:39:04,660
something walk between 2 trees
and so we start heading towards

734
00:39:04,660 --> 00:39:06,540
Steven.
I I didn't kind of, I didn't

735
00:39:06,540 --> 00:39:08,580
realize it at the time but
basically the direction we were

736
00:39:08,580 --> 00:39:11,620
walking was the direction that
the thing he saw was walking.

737
00:39:11,620 --> 00:39:14,960
So like.
We could have potentially walked

738
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,360
into it.
We didn't, but we didn't know

739
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,120
it.
You know, it's one of those

740
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,680
things where we were walking,
right.

741
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,240
You know, like it would have
been great.

742
00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:26,040
I guess hopefully if it, you
know, didn't try and kill us, it

743
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,760
would have been great.
But yeah, he said he saw

744
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,200
something.
It was, he said described it as

745
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,640
it was tall.
It was white like a I don't know

746
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,200
if he meant white like albino or
white like, you know, how

747
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,720
rabbits turn white in the winter
time.

748
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,640
And he said it had like a.
Almost like a a Mohawk, but I

749
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,480
mean he just saw it for like 1
Mississippi is it like went in

750
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,440
between 2 trees, you know and
like I said, we were walking in

751
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,960
the direction the same direction
it was, it was coming in and we

752
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,800
didn't we didn't see it, we
didn't hear anything.

753
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,280
Of course this isn't terrain
where you're just like walking

754
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,200
along like La La La La la.
You're stepping over trees,

755
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,440
you're walking around trees,
You're ducking under branches.

756
00:40:09,940 --> 00:40:13,300
You know, you're stepping in
holes and having to like, oh,

757
00:40:13,420 --> 00:40:16,460
you know, like step out.
It's it's very unforgiving

758
00:40:16,460 --> 00:40:18,260
terrain.
It's not like you're just out

759
00:40:18,260 --> 00:40:21,820
for a stroll, you know, down a
trail.

760
00:40:21,820 --> 00:40:23,300
There's no trails.
You're just.

761
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:26,940
This isn't Kentucky.
Yeah, you're getting by the best

762
00:40:26,940 --> 00:40:30,460
you can.
A lot of crawling sometimes you

763
00:40:30,460 --> 00:40:33,300
got to crawl under trees, You
got to crawl over trees.

764
00:40:33,980 --> 00:40:37,620
And you know, anything that was
coming toward us would have

765
00:40:38,140 --> 00:40:42,300
easily hurt us before it saw us
and had time to hide or go in a

766
00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:45,740
different direction.
So I'm a little jealous it's

767
00:40:45,740 --> 00:40:47,220
even saw something that I
didn't.

768
00:40:48,380 --> 00:40:50,460
But you know, like I said,
that's the way it goes.

769
00:40:50,460 --> 00:40:52,660
Of course, he didn't get footage
of what he saw either.

770
00:40:52,660 --> 00:40:56,420
So, you know, it's how it goes,
which I don't think, I'm not

771
00:40:56,420 --> 00:40:57,620
even sure if Steven had a
camera.

772
00:40:57,620 --> 00:41:00,300
I think he had a GoPro on him,
but I don't think it was on at

773
00:41:00,300 --> 00:41:03,940
the time.
And yeah, that was kind of like

774
00:41:03,940 --> 00:41:04,620
that.
That was it.

775
00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:07,140
That kind of culminated the the
expedition where we're like

776
00:41:08,190 --> 00:41:11,030
we're running out of time.
Steven was paying for the boat.

777
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:13,430
I think it was like a couple of
grand every night we were there

778
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:18,230
and that's and that's, you know,
that's part of the the

779
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:20,830
challenge.
You know, I'm here, I'm 40 miles

780
00:41:20,830 --> 00:41:22,990
away from Port Chatham for me to
get, I don't own a boat.

781
00:41:22,990 --> 00:41:26,790
So for me to get there, I could
probably fly to Hawaii and back,

782
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:30,470
and a couple of times for what
it would cost for me to get a

783
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:33,430
decent, a decent boat out there
that could carry all my stuff

784
00:41:33,470 --> 00:41:37,080
and would be willing to Take Me
Out there and wait for me.

785
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:40,880
Well, you just wait until this
show gets really, really big.

786
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,120
We'll pay for it.
Don't worry about it.

787
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,080
Yeah, give.
US 10 years.

788
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:47,920
And. 10 years we'll do it.
So when I when I heard that

789
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,880
right though the the Mohawk
thing, the first thing I thought

790
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,120
about was a sagittal crust and I
was I was like HM.

791
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,160
I wonder if he if he did see
something because there are some

792
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,600
reports of Sasquatch being seen
white.

793
00:42:03,410 --> 00:42:07,050
No telling whether or not it's
due to the age of it or if they

794
00:42:07,050 --> 00:42:09,610
just naturally come white in
some cases.

795
00:42:09,930 --> 00:42:12,450
Well, I I do have a little
postscript of that.

796
00:42:13,290 --> 00:42:18,370
So there there's two villages
not not close to port near Port

797
00:42:18,370 --> 00:42:20,930
Chatham, Nanwalek and Port
Graham.

798
00:42:21,890 --> 00:42:27,890
And after this happened, after
our expedition, I started

799
00:42:27,890 --> 00:42:31,050
talking to some of the people
over there in the villages.

800
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:37,310
And I did hear that there had
been a white Bigfoot or Nantanoc

801
00:42:37,310 --> 00:42:40,630
as they call it, a white
Nantanoc scene near Nan Wallach.

802
00:42:41,150 --> 00:42:44,310
So yeah.
That's insane.

803
00:42:45,710 --> 00:42:47,230
That's crazy man.
Did you it?

804
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:51,830
It scares the shit out of me
just thinking about me being a

805
00:42:51,830 --> 00:42:55,550
nine year 9 year old kid as
close as I was the one.

806
00:42:55,550 --> 00:43:00,670
But I mean even as a full grown
adult if I'm if I'm seeing one

807
00:43:00,670 --> 00:43:04,200
and I just just.
Barely see it just a little bit,

808
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,160
you know?
And it's one of the monsters

809
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:11,600
that are said to be in the
Northwest, you know, I don't

810
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,520
know.
Just terrifying, Absolutely.

811
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,080
That's why he wants to go over
to.

812
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:20,600
Portland I do, I do.
And I mean that's my ultimate

813
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,280
goal is I want to see one with
my with my own eyes.

814
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,280
And I get every once in a while
I'll get somebody that'll be

815
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:27,920
like, we'll be careful what you
wish for.

816
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,880
And you know, you might just get
what you want.

817
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,560
And usually people that have
maybe had like violence or scary

818
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,320
encounters.
And you know, my response to

819
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,040
that is like, you know, people
jump out of airplanes for fun,

820
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,920
right?
Like this is no different.

821
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,720
I just wanted, you know, I just
want to see it and if it's if

822
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:44,360
it's a little dangerous, it's a
little dangerous.

823
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,600
Everyone likes their own own
drugs, right?

824
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,560
Yeah, I'm not going to jump out
of a plane, but I'll go in the

825
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,560
woods and look for Bigfoot.
Hell yeah.

826
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,760
I mean, where was I going with
that?

827
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,960
I can't remember.
Anyways, so.

828
00:43:59,850 --> 00:44:01,970
That pretty much wraps up the
first expedition.

829
00:44:01,970 --> 00:44:05,290
Did I miss anything there?
Let's see.

830
00:44:05,850 --> 00:44:07,850
I told you we heard that the
thumping.

831
00:44:09,170 --> 00:44:13,690
We found the the tracks.
Mary Beth saw the the tree

832
00:44:13,690 --> 00:44:18,250
peaker.
I think.

833
00:44:18,290 --> 00:44:20,410
I think that's about it.
We, you know, I got the the

834
00:44:20,410 --> 00:44:24,010
thermal footage.
You know, it was, it was a kind

835
00:44:24,010 --> 00:44:28,490
of a whirlwind trip.
Again, we were just going in

836
00:44:28,490 --> 00:44:29,410
there.
We didn't really know what to

837
00:44:29,410 --> 00:44:33,730
expect.
Again, I wasn't even like when I

838
00:44:33,730 --> 00:44:36,370
first found out we were going
out there.

839
00:44:36,370 --> 00:44:39,210
I thought I I think I even
brought like a tent and some

840
00:44:39,210 --> 00:44:40,890
like camping equipment because I
thought we were going to be

841
00:44:40,890 --> 00:44:44,530
staying on the on the shore.
I didn't realize that Steven was

842
00:44:44,530 --> 00:44:45,770
going to have a stay on the
boat.

843
00:44:47,450 --> 00:44:49,410
So, you know, I was, I was all
for it.

844
00:44:49,410 --> 00:44:51,050
And I was like, hell yeah, you
know, like I'll stay.

845
00:44:51,050 --> 00:44:55,200
I'll sleep out here at night,
but yeah, it didn't, it didn't

846
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,920
work out that way.
And we've always said like,

847
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,840
well, the next time we go out,
we're going to, we're going to

848
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,120
do that.
We're going to set up a camp and

849
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,160
we're going to take enough
people to where we can have like

850
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,840
a fire guard up and and you know
somebody's up all night.

851
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,720
Keep an eye on things.
So that kind of leads into the

852
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:15,800
second exposition where you
brought this crew with you and

853
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,760
you originally thought that you
were going to be the one

854
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,360
sleeping on shore because you
kind of were the odd man out.

855
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:22,400
You were.
You were kind of.

856
00:45:23,150 --> 00:45:25,430
A veteran was sleeping outdoors,
going through your training and

857
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:27,230
and whatnot in the in the
military.

858
00:45:27,830 --> 00:45:30,270
So you're going to kind of take
one for the team and you end up

859
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:36,630
taking a cot on the boat.
But that that expedition was

860
00:45:37,150 --> 00:45:41,870
mostly due to the other camera
was a little less it.

861
00:45:42,190 --> 00:45:48,190
It didn't have as as many
encounters or or like really,

862
00:45:48,190 --> 00:45:50,230
really big moments, except for
one.

863
00:45:50,590 --> 00:45:55,120
There was one really good one.
It was a little slow and I think

864
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,000
it it either it was either
because of the amount.

865
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,320
I think we because we had more
people that production team.

866
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,640
I think there was at least five
of them maybe maybe there was

867
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:07,640
six of them.
I don't remember.

868
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,240
There was a I mean it's you're
walking through the woods with

869
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:12,280
like 6-7 people.
You know it's it's going to be

870
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,880
it's going to be a circus no
matter how quiet you're trying

871
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,080
to be.
And then there you know there

872
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,880
was the okay.
We got this shot.

873
00:46:21,500 --> 00:46:23,020
Can you do it one more time?
You know?

874
00:46:23,020 --> 00:46:24,300
And then, you know, we're like
walking.

875
00:46:24,620 --> 00:46:26,780
It's pouring rain.
We're walking down the beach and

876
00:46:26,780 --> 00:46:29,060
they just keep having us walk
back and forth on the beach, you

877
00:46:29,060 --> 00:46:31,780
know?
And it was kind of cool because

878
00:46:31,780 --> 00:46:33,900
I'm like, oh, I'm filming ATV
Show, but at the same time, I'm

879
00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:36,460
like, I would much rather be in
the woods looking for Bigfoot.

880
00:46:36,460 --> 00:46:38,660
This is not doing us any good at
all, you know?

881
00:46:39,460 --> 00:46:42,700
So that was kind of my first
brush with, like, filming ATV

882
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:47,740
Show.
And the weather was really, I

883
00:46:47,740 --> 00:46:51,380
think, a factor in this.
In this expedition, we, well,

884
00:46:51,420 --> 00:46:57,300
Steven Adam, Adam Davies, World
Explorer, Steven Adam, and I

885
00:46:57,300 --> 00:46:59,820
were going to sleep on the
shore, all three of us were.

886
00:47:00,140 --> 00:47:03,220
And then the camera crew was
going to sleep on the boat, but

887
00:47:03,220 --> 00:47:07,500
the weather actually turned so,
so sour that we decided to sleep

888
00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:09,980
on the boat as well.
Actually, the captain was like,

889
00:47:09,980 --> 00:47:11,620
you guys should probably sleep
on the boat because it's going

890
00:47:11,620 --> 00:47:16,260
to get pretty shitty.
And it was kind of weird because

891
00:47:17,420 --> 00:47:20,600
we would be on the boat and the
weather would would start to

892
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,160
clear up and we'd be like, okay.
Now we can go ashore and like do

893
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,600
our filming or whatever we need
to do.

894
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,360
And as soon as we start getting
our gear on, like like the

895
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,160
weather would like turn sour
again and we kind of started

896
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,240
joking like, oh, something
doesn't want us here.

897
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:35,800
You know, like this is, you
know, like this is the curse

898
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,600
support chat on it, doesn't want
it.

899
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,120
And it was kind of a joke at
first.

900
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,080
But then by the time we were
there for like 3 or 4 days, by

901
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,200
the time we left, I was like
there might be something to this

902
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,320
guy.
So like it was, it was so

903
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,330
consistent and repeatable.
Literally every time we went to

904
00:47:48,330 --> 00:47:51,250
go off the boat, the weather
would get considerably worse.

905
00:47:52,090 --> 00:47:54,850
And I thought I was going to die
at one point because we're in

906
00:47:54,850 --> 00:47:57,650
this little Zodiac, like a
little inflatable boat.

907
00:47:57,810 --> 00:48:03,770
Well, you guys are Navy, you
know, and we're just trying to

908
00:48:03,770 --> 00:48:07,450
get back to the boat.
And if my fat ass hadn't been

909
00:48:07,450 --> 00:48:09,730
like on the front of that thing,
I think it would have went over

910
00:48:09,730 --> 00:48:15,060
because it was bad.
And I actually told my wife when

911
00:48:15,060 --> 00:48:16,780
I got back I was like, I almost
die.

912
00:48:18,020 --> 00:48:20,500
It was pretty scary, which I'm
not a boat guy, I'm not a strong

913
00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:23,140
swimmer, definitely wouldn't
catch me in the Navy.

914
00:48:23,740 --> 00:48:27,820
But so every time we had to get
from the boat to the shore was

915
00:48:27,820 --> 00:48:30,900
always a little, a little extra
terrifying for me.

916
00:48:31,740 --> 00:48:33,140
There's people in the Navy that
can't swim.

917
00:48:34,860 --> 00:48:37,660
My dad was in the Navy.
He can't swim.

918
00:48:37,660 --> 00:48:39,340
He couldn't swim.
What'd your dad do?

919
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:41,720
I don't know.
He was in Vietnam.

920
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:46,480
He was on a supply ship.
I've got a a shadow box upstairs

921
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,200
that's got his stuff in it.
I'll take a picture of it, send

922
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:49,520
it to you.
You can you can tell me what he

923
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,800
did?
I think he was a Boilermaker or

924
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:52,960
boiler?
Boiler.

925
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,640
Boiler.
Working in the engine room.

926
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,440
Yeah, sounds like a machine.
Is mate right something?

927
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,040
I don't know.
I'm not a boat guy.

928
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,200
I'm an aviation guy.
I ain't no boat donkey.

929
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:13,950
So let's talk about the the big
event, man.

930
00:49:13,950 --> 00:49:17,270
Let's talk about your your your
sighting of something in a tree.

931
00:49:18,590 --> 00:49:23,390
So this one's a little weird.
You know, I'm not really a woo

932
00:49:23,390 --> 00:49:25,070
guy.
I don't.

933
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:30,750
I don't think that Bigfoot is is
can walk through portals or, you

934
00:49:30,750 --> 00:49:33,150
know, I think probably they
might be able to like camouflage

935
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:37,220
really well.
I think a lot of times when

936
00:49:37,220 --> 00:49:39,140
people say like, oh, it just
disappeared, It should have

937
00:49:39,140 --> 00:49:42,660
been, I think probably like,
like, well, did you look, did

938
00:49:42,660 --> 00:49:45,380
you look up in the tree or maybe
it just laid down, you know,

939
00:49:45,380 --> 00:49:49,940
like there's there, you know?
But this was something I can't

940
00:49:49,940 --> 00:49:52,820
really explain.
It's probably the 2nd strangest

941
00:49:52,820 --> 00:49:53,900
thing that's ever happened to
me.

942
00:49:54,860 --> 00:49:58,540
We're in that structure, that
little building, the little red

943
00:49:58,540 --> 00:50:03,410
cabin on the front of the book.
And we're in there and we're

944
00:50:03,410 --> 00:50:09,130
filming some, like interviews.
And they were interviewing.

945
00:50:09,130 --> 00:50:10,490
I can't remember if it's Adam or
Steven, some.

946
00:50:10,490 --> 00:50:13,490
It was somebody else's turn.
And I'm just kind of sitting

947
00:50:13,490 --> 00:50:16,210
towards the back of that little,
that little cab in there and

948
00:50:16,210 --> 00:50:17,610
it's raining.
So we're all in there trying to

949
00:50:17,610 --> 00:50:19,770
stay dry.
And I'm looking.

950
00:50:19,770 --> 00:50:23,170
I'm just watching the tree line
and just listening and trying to

951
00:50:23,170 --> 00:50:26,130
be quiet so they can film,
excuse me.

952
00:50:26,490 --> 00:50:33,840
And I saw I was looking up in a
kind of a pine tree, a fir tree,

953
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,000
and it looked almost kind of
like, I'm not sure if it was

954
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:43,040
just like a big drop of water or
if it was kind of something like

955
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,640
what are they they call like the
glimmer man, you know, like a

956
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,440
translucent thing.
And it just kind of seemed like

957
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,760
it dropped down from like 1
branch, kind of like down.

958
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,000
And it again, it's one of those
things where that happened and

959
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,620
I'm like, did I?
It didn't have, it didn't look

960
00:51:00,620 --> 00:51:04,780
like a man.
It was just a big, like shape.

961
00:51:06,220 --> 00:51:08,060
And it's one of those things
where that happened.

962
00:51:08,060 --> 00:51:09,180
And I was like, did that just
happen?

963
00:51:09,180 --> 00:51:10,460
What was that?
You know, You know, I didn't

964
00:51:10,460 --> 00:51:13,220
trust my lying eyes, you know,
I'm like, huh, that's kind of

965
00:51:13,220 --> 00:51:15,020
weird.
And it was, you know, it had

966
00:51:15,020 --> 00:51:19,220
been raining and it wasn't.
It wasn't windy, Maybe a little

967
00:51:19,220 --> 00:51:21,820
wind, but not enough to, like,
move that branch the way I saw

968
00:51:21,820 --> 00:51:23,500
it move.
And then I'm trying to

969
00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:25,900
rationalize it.
I'm like, well, maybe there was

970
00:51:25,900 --> 00:51:29,620
some water pulled up above that
new branch somehow and it all

971
00:51:29,620 --> 00:51:32,340
come down at once.
And, you know, I'm trying to,

972
00:51:32,340 --> 00:51:34,780
like, figure this out.
I'm trying to work it out in my

973
00:51:34,780 --> 00:51:38,620
brain.
And I didn't say anything

974
00:51:38,620 --> 00:51:41,060
because I wasn't sure what, if
anything, I'd seen.

975
00:51:41,060 --> 00:51:43,460
I didn't want to interrupt the
filming.

976
00:51:43,700 --> 00:51:44,740
It was just one of those.
Huh.

977
00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:47,100
That's the thing.
What was that?

978
00:51:47,140 --> 00:51:49,300
You know, Was that something?
I don't think it was.

979
00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:52,710
And eventually it's my time to
like, sit down and be

980
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:53,950
interviewed.
And I'm sitting there and I'm

981
00:51:53,950 --> 00:51:56,710
talking and Steven's turned to
sit in the back of the cabin and

982
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:58,990
stare out there.
Well, at that point, like, I

983
00:51:58,990 --> 00:52:01,030
hear him.
I hear him like rack a shotgun

984
00:52:01,030 --> 00:52:03,550
and he's like something's
fucking out there, guys, I just

985
00:52:03,550 --> 00:52:08,750
heard some growling.
And so we all like kind of like

986
00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:10,870
shuffle up there and we're all
like look at it part like the

987
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:13,070
Three Stooges, you know, like
all trying to look out this one

988
00:52:13,070 --> 00:52:16,950
little window and none of us
were like, let's go see what it

989
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:19,830
is.
So yeah, that was kind of the

990
00:52:19,830 --> 00:52:21,510
big thing and that happened
right toward the end, right.

991
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:23,510
I think that was kind of one of
the last things we did before we

992
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:27,710
left.
And again, you know, like we

993
00:52:27,710 --> 00:52:31,710
were, you know, we were
speculating like, man, maybe

994
00:52:31,710 --> 00:52:32,790
something just doesn't want us
here.

995
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:35,990
And maybe that was kind of like
the, you know, the final straw,

996
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:37,550
like if these guys don't get out
of here.

997
00:52:38,070 --> 00:52:41,310
Yeah, yeah.
We've we've interviewed a few

998
00:52:41,870 --> 00:52:44,790
guys that are that are really
into the Bigfoot woo side of

999
00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:48,150
things for the most notable
probably being Carter Bush hard.

1000
00:52:49,010 --> 00:52:51,970
I I have no problem with the woo
side of it, right?

1001
00:52:51,970 --> 00:52:54,170
Absolutely not.
I think that, you know, they do

1002
00:52:54,170 --> 00:52:59,690
their thing and I'll do mine,
but I just, I I find it hard to

1003
00:53:00,450 --> 00:53:03,010
explain an unknown with another
unknown.

1004
00:53:03,130 --> 00:53:05,810
Yeah, I don't think we should
completely discount it and just

1005
00:53:05,810 --> 00:53:08,370
be like Allah, it's BS.
No, I agree.

1006
00:53:08,490 --> 00:53:10,530
I agree.
Again, I'm not.

1007
00:53:10,970 --> 00:53:15,160
I mean, I'm not going to go and
and and go full.

1008
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:16,520
Like what?
It's a portal, you know?

1009
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,720
Like I got to see a portal
before I start saying there's

1010
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:21,040
portals.
Exactly, Exactly.

1011
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,600
Yeah.
I try not to bring up the topic,

1012
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:30,360
but the the Facebook, Bigfoot
communities are just.

1013
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,560
Oh, did you see any red wild red
circles out there?

1014
00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:42,860
It is so cringeworthy.
It's anyways it's, I mean, I

1015
00:53:42,860 --> 00:53:47,060
could go in my backyard, take a
picture, post it in one of those

1016
00:53:47,900 --> 00:53:49,820
and be like, do you see it?
And there will be like 1/2 a

1017
00:53:49,820 --> 00:53:51,260
dozen people.
Yep, it's a big one.

1018
00:53:51,260 --> 00:53:53,660
It's right there.
They'll put their own.

1019
00:53:53,700 --> 00:53:55,580
They'll put their own red
circles over and everything

1020
00:53:55,580 --> 00:53:56,740
that's sent it back to you.
Yeah.

1021
00:53:56,740 --> 00:53:58,540
No.
Oh, it's carrying a baby.

1022
00:53:59,540 --> 00:54:01,260
I could take the I could take a
picture of the inside of my

1023
00:54:01,260 --> 00:54:03,140
refrigerator and I'll still get
a couple back.

1024
00:54:03,820 --> 00:54:08,910
So yeah, I, you know, I just
kind of stay away from, I'm a

1025
00:54:08,950 --> 00:54:11,830
member of some groups, but I
kind of, I'm just a lurker

1026
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:14,830
pretty much anymore.
I've had some bad experiences

1027
00:54:14,830 --> 00:54:16,830
where somebody will post
something that's obviously, I

1028
00:54:16,830 --> 00:54:20,750
mean if you go to Amazon, search
Bigfoot costume and then you see

1029
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:23,110
like the very first result with
the, you know, that Bigfoot with

1030
00:54:23,110 --> 00:54:25,350
the receding hairline that's
like $100 costume.

1031
00:54:25,350 --> 00:54:28,510
And there are people that post
that all the time.

1032
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:32,190
And I was just like, look,
here's the link to the costume.

1033
00:54:32,190 --> 00:54:33,910
That's a costume.
And people were getting mad at

1034
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:36,560
me.
You know, like, if you don't

1035
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,560
believe, why are you even here?
And I'm like, I don't know about

1036
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:39,600
you.
I don't like to be lied to.

1037
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:44,080
Like, I I don't like it when
people pull hoodwinks and

1038
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,800
shenanigans on me.
And I'm trying to help you out.

1039
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,800
But if that's the way, if you
really want to believe, then go

1040
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:49,720
ahead.
So I I don't.

1041
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:51,920
I just really don't.
If you somebody who sends me a

1042
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,800
message or asks me what I think
privately, I'll have a

1043
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,280
discussion with them.
But I don't publicly really like

1044
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:58,840
get involved and stuff like that
anymore.

1045
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:04,020
Yeah, I I I appreciate.
And I find it entertaining, the

1046
00:55:04,020 --> 00:55:05,740
woo side of things.
I like what they do.

1047
00:55:06,100 --> 00:55:09,940
You know if you get a solid
researcher such as Carter Bush

1048
00:55:09,940 --> 00:55:13,300
hard he's he's he's really good
at what he does and he has some

1049
00:55:13,300 --> 00:55:17,100
very, very intriguing stories,
very, very intriguing, very

1050
00:55:17,100 --> 00:55:21,660
interesting.
And he he tells him very well, I

1051
00:55:21,660 --> 00:55:25,340
appreciate what he does in with
his craft.

1052
00:55:25,340 --> 00:55:28,220
You know, I just, I can't do it
myself.

1053
00:55:29,180 --> 00:55:33,200
And I mean, I feel like several
times I found like 1 footprint

1054
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,240
in a place where I feel like
maybe there should be more

1055
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:40,240
footprints.
And I mean, I don't know what

1056
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:44,280
the explanation for that is.
Maybe they were maybe there's a

1057
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,880
flying Bigfoot, maybe it went
through a portal, maybe an alien

1058
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,120
like picked them up.
I don't know.

1059
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:54,320
But again, I'm not going to, I'm
not going to go there until I

1060
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:58,000
see something that makes me,
until the evidence takes me in

1061
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:02,020
that direction, you know?
Yep, 100% If.

1062
00:56:02,180 --> 00:56:04,780
I mean, if I come across a
Bigfoot who's mind speaking to

1063
00:56:04,780 --> 00:56:07,380
me right in the middle of the
woods and I'm like clear as day

1064
00:56:07,380 --> 00:56:12,180
here and this, I could be easily
swayed for sure, 100%.

1065
00:56:12,740 --> 00:56:14,580
But it has to happen like you
said, yeah.

1066
00:56:16,220 --> 00:56:18,820
Cool, man.
So what else can you tell us

1067
00:56:18,820 --> 00:56:20,820
about the area and the and the
knock knock?

1068
00:56:22,340 --> 00:56:28,090
Oh, the knock.
Well, that's so that's the the

1069
00:56:28,090 --> 00:56:34,850
local native name for the hairy
man or the Bush man or Bigfoot.

1070
00:56:35,170 --> 00:56:41,410
And they say there's some really
cool local native legends and

1071
00:56:41,410 --> 00:56:46,770
lore surrounding it.
The the name Nantonak, they say

1072
00:56:46,770 --> 00:56:49,010
it doesn't translate well.
It says, you know, I've heard it

1073
00:56:49,130 --> 00:56:53,090
means giant hairy thing.
I've heard it means, you know,

1074
00:56:53,930 --> 00:56:57,330
scary thing or you know,
terrible, you know, big terrible

1075
00:56:57,330 --> 00:56:59,450
thing.
I've heard it means, you know

1076
00:56:59,450 --> 00:57:02,530
Bigfoot.
So it doesn't really like they

1077
00:57:02,530 --> 00:57:03,730
don't.
There's not like a literal

1078
00:57:03,730 --> 00:57:05,290
translation to it, I don't
think.

1079
00:57:05,610 --> 00:57:07,570
And I think that's kind of cool.
It's kind of ambiguous.

1080
00:57:07,570 --> 00:57:10,330
It's almost like we don't know
what the hell it is either, you

1081
00:57:10,330 --> 00:57:14,570
know, because you know a lot of
people in the Bigfoot community

1082
00:57:14,570 --> 00:57:17,570
will say, you know, they'll be
like, oh, the natives, you know,

1083
00:57:17,570 --> 00:57:20,370
the natives know, you know what
Bigfoot is.

1084
00:57:20,370 --> 00:57:23,210
They know what Bigfoot is and I
always kind of like counter that

1085
00:57:23,210 --> 00:57:24,970
argument.
I'm like, no, I don't.

1086
00:57:24,970 --> 00:57:27,330
I don't think they really know
what it is either, no more than

1087
00:57:27,330 --> 00:57:29,090
we do.
They have more awareness of it.

1088
00:57:30,370 --> 00:57:33,530
But as far as, like they know
what it is and where it came

1089
00:57:33,530 --> 00:57:36,210
from and what its motivations
are, I don't really think they

1090
00:57:36,210 --> 00:57:39,290
do.
And that's not, you know, I'm

1091
00:57:39,290 --> 00:57:42,450
not saying anything detracting
about them or their culture or

1092
00:57:42,450 --> 00:57:43,890
anything like that.
I think it's just the truth.

1093
00:57:43,890 --> 00:57:48,370
It's they have their theories
and legends about what they are

1094
00:57:48,370 --> 00:57:50,170
but I don't think anybody really
knows.

1095
00:57:51,340 --> 00:57:55,780
And they they'll say he comes
when the fog comes in.

1096
00:57:56,580 --> 00:57:59,140
You know they use them a lot in
their you know, don't go out in

1097
00:57:59,140 --> 00:58:01,260
the woods when it's foggy.
The Nantanoch will get you.

1098
00:58:02,220 --> 00:58:05,740
You know the the folklore you
see of of, you know, we got to

1099
00:58:05,740 --> 00:58:08,340
protect our women and children
or the Nantanoch's going to get

1100
00:58:08,340 --> 00:58:10,220
them.
I see that with a lot of

1101
00:58:10,220 --> 00:58:14,420
different native legends and and
well just legends worldwide

1102
00:58:14,420 --> 00:58:16,900
really with you know things in
the water or things and of

1103
00:58:16,900 --> 00:58:18,500
course they're going to get get
you.

1104
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:23,430
There's another local tribe,
they have something called the

1105
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:28,310
Nantana, which is very similar
and that translates in their

1106
00:58:28,310 --> 00:58:30,190
language to the ones that steal
us.

1107
00:58:31,310 --> 00:58:34,950
So there you have something very
much like Bigfoot that gets

1108
00:58:35,550 --> 00:58:39,590
accused of abduction, which you
hear a lot about with, you know,

1109
00:58:39,590 --> 00:58:42,470
in the Bigfoot community, people
saying that Bigfoot is

1110
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:46,390
responsible for the abduction or
murder of people missing 411

1111
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:50,320
stuff and stuff like that.
That's also in this general area

1112
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:55,040
on the Kenai Peninsula.
And so you know it's just

1113
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,640
something out that like I said,
I don't again, I don't think

1114
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,160
they really know what it is
anymore than we do, but they

1115
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,280
just have more awareness of it.
It's a part of their culture.

1116
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,200
You know they have their stories
that they pass on.

1117
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,920
But again, you know you in my
experiences talking with them,

1118
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:16,390
it's it's pretty much 5050.
We're they, some of them will

1119
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:18,670
believe it or they've had an
encounter and then the other

1120
00:59:18,670 --> 00:59:20,110
ones are just like, Nah, there's
no such thing.

1121
00:59:20,110 --> 00:59:23,950
It's just a boogie man story.
Interesting stuff.

1122
00:59:23,950 --> 00:59:25,470
Yeah.
The first thing that pops in my

1123
00:59:25,470 --> 00:59:28,430
mind, you know when you hear
about big Flynn in kidnapping,

1124
00:59:28,430 --> 00:59:31,870
obviously is Oliver Osman story.
Eventually one day we're going

1125
00:59:31,870 --> 00:59:34,430
to cover that.
Jake, we've been talking about

1126
00:59:34,430 --> 00:59:38,350
it for three years now.
I'm sure the, the listeners

1127
00:59:38,350 --> 00:59:41,550
would love to hear that story.
It's absolutely, it's awesome.

1128
00:59:42,310 --> 00:59:45,390
Oh, where he gets rolled up in
his sleeping bag and stuff and

1129
00:59:45,390 --> 00:59:47,110
yeah.
He feeds the Bigfoot bunch of

1130
00:59:47,310 --> 00:59:49,110
chew.
Yeah, it's great.

1131
00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:54,590
Love it.
So as I was wrapping up your

1132
00:59:54,590 --> 00:59:58,030
book, I found that you have a
couple others couple other books

1133
00:59:58,030 --> 01:00:02,630
out there.
I I haven't ordered it yet.

1134
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:04,350
It's in my list of things to
order.

1135
01:00:04,350 --> 01:00:08,070
But I've I the the Bigfoot or
Squash Cop, right?

1136
01:00:09,070 --> 01:00:10,910
That's something I'm going to go
ahead and grab.

1137
01:00:11,460 --> 01:00:14,580
And then you also have Alaskan
cop stories.

1138
01:00:15,220 --> 01:00:18,540
Right, Yeah.
So there's the oh.

1139
01:00:18,660 --> 01:00:21,540
Cop story one.
And there's squash cop.

1140
01:00:22,300 --> 01:00:24,380
Squash cop.
Yeah, love it.

1141
01:00:24,820 --> 01:00:27,020
I'm definitely grabbing the
squash cop one for sure.

1142
01:00:27,940 --> 01:00:31,100
So that just leads me to believe
that you have other things to

1143
01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:34,060
talk about other than port Chad
and port Lock, huh?

1144
01:00:35,740 --> 01:00:39,060
I mean, I've been several places
looking for Bigfoot.

1145
01:00:40,290 --> 01:00:41,930
You know, like I said, I've had
an interesting life.

1146
01:00:43,810 --> 01:00:47,450
One of my favorite store again,
it's almost I I guess you could

1147
01:00:47,450 --> 01:00:51,330
say it's a woo story is when I
was in Eastern Washington.

1148
01:00:52,530 --> 01:00:53,770
I've told this story a few
times.

1149
01:00:54,490 --> 01:00:58,130
We were again, I was with Steven
and maybe I need to stay away

1150
01:00:58,130 --> 01:01:00,730
from Steven because it seems
like weird, weird shit happens

1151
01:01:00,730 --> 01:01:01,730
when I'm like hanging out with
him.

1152
01:01:03,370 --> 01:01:06,970
We were in Eastern Washington
and we were filming Bigfoot

1153
01:01:06,970 --> 01:01:08,490
encounters of the Pacific
Northwest.

1154
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:12,990
And we were in this area that
was just, it was Jake.

1155
01:01:12,990 --> 01:01:14,630
It was almost like the
campground you were at where

1156
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:16,190
there's like there's knocks and
screams.

1157
01:01:16,190 --> 01:01:18,590
I mean, there was just stuff
going on, like we're unloading

1158
01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:21,910
the vehicle to set up camp and
there's like knocks on the hill

1159
01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:26,030
in front of the campsite, you
know, And it was going, it went

1160
01:01:26,030 --> 01:01:31,590
on like almost all weekend.
And I was kind of we, it was the

1161
01:01:31,590 --> 01:01:35,030
last night and I was kind of
like, man, like I want to see

1162
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:38,470
something why, you know?
And we walked up this logging

1163
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:40,650
Rd.
And it was still.

1164
01:01:40,650 --> 01:01:43,490
It was still.
It was like it was getting to be

1165
01:01:43,690 --> 01:01:44,930
dusk.
It wasn't dark.

1166
01:01:45,890 --> 01:01:48,490
And we walked up the slog in the
road, and we turned around.

1167
01:01:48,490 --> 01:01:51,730
We were walking back.
And I was like, you know, I'm

1168
01:01:51,730 --> 01:01:53,890
going to let them.
I'm going to let the group get

1169
01:01:53,890 --> 01:01:56,370
ahead of me, and I'm going to
follow behind by myself a little

1170
01:01:56,370 --> 01:01:58,930
ways.
And because I'm like, if

1171
01:01:58,930 --> 01:02:01,810
something's following us, you
know, maybe I can catch up or

1172
01:02:01,810 --> 01:02:04,970
it'll catch up to me.
Plus, I had to.

1173
01:02:05,050 --> 01:02:06,770
I had to take a leak, you know.
And I was like, well, you guys

1174
01:02:06,770 --> 01:02:08,030
go ahead.
I'll be.

1175
01:02:08,030 --> 01:02:10,910
I'll be along here in a couple
minutes and at the time I'm

1176
01:02:10,910 --> 01:02:13,390
thinking like, I just want to
see what's going on.

1177
01:02:13,390 --> 01:02:14,830
I want to see if there's
anything following us.

1178
01:02:15,350 --> 01:02:17,390
I want, you know, I think this
will be my best chance if I'm

1179
01:02:17,390 --> 01:02:18,790
not with a large group to see
something.

1180
01:02:19,150 --> 01:02:21,390
I'm not thinking like this is
exactly how like every missing

1181
01:02:21,390 --> 01:02:27,190
before one story starts.
So they I let them get ahead, I

1182
01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:30,150
wait a couple of minutes, I take
a leak on the side of the road

1183
01:02:30,830 --> 01:02:33,710
and I say Rd.
I mean it's it's not in use,

1184
01:02:33,710 --> 01:02:38,900
it's it's old logging Rd.
And I've got my back to the tree

1185
01:02:38,900 --> 01:02:42,580
line and I'm I've got my
thermal, the same thermal I had

1186
01:02:42,580 --> 01:02:46,940
and porch out and I'm maybe it's
the thermal not Steven that's

1187
01:02:46,980 --> 01:02:51,460
causes all this weird shit down.
And I'm Thurman the the other

1188
01:02:52,340 --> 01:02:58,580
the other side of the road and
I'm just chilling and behind me.

1189
01:02:58,580 --> 01:03:01,980
I mean, it sounds like it's like
at my ear level, probably four

1190
01:03:01,980 --> 01:03:07,600
or five feet behind me, I hear.
Like a whisper.

1191
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,280
And it was just like four or
five syllables, you know,

1192
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,640
Couldn't make out what it said
or if it was even words.

1193
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:21,680
Spin around, look, don't see
anything, throw up the therm,

1194
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,320
therm don't see anything.
Looking back on it.

1195
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:26,920
I I did.
I never looked up.

1196
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:31,600
So I I don't know.
Just pick that for what it's

1197
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:35,660
worth they they, they say that
one of the biggest mistakes that

1198
01:03:36,540 --> 01:03:39,500
Bigfoot researchers going on
expeditions do that they don't

1199
01:03:39,500 --> 01:03:41,260
look up.
Yeah.

1200
01:03:41,860 --> 01:03:47,420
I I never, never looked up, but
I I mean it sounded like it was

1201
01:03:47,420 --> 01:03:52,140
right behind me.
So I look firm and I mean it was

1202
01:03:52,140 --> 01:03:57,100
thick forest, but to from where
it sound, I mean, you know the

1203
01:03:57,100 --> 01:03:59,620
acoustics are weird, but it
sounded like it should have been

1204
01:03:59,620 --> 01:04:03,900
like right there.
And I'm, I'm looking and looking

1205
01:04:03,900 --> 01:04:06,460
and looking and I just have this
weird, like, I mean, it was like

1206
01:04:06,460 --> 01:04:08,580
somebody flipped a switch.
And I'm like scared.

1207
01:04:09,700 --> 01:04:14,140
And I mean, you know, I've been
in the military, you know, I've

1208
01:04:14,140 --> 01:04:17,380
been a police officer, you know,
And I'm not bragging.

1209
01:04:17,380 --> 01:04:20,140
I just, I've been in, I've been
in some shit, you know, Like,

1210
01:04:20,140 --> 01:04:22,620
I've been in situations where I
was like, oh, this might be it

1211
01:04:22,620 --> 01:04:27,060
for beans, you know, like, you
know, like I'm not.

1212
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:31,280
I'm used to being in stressful
situations, so to just have that

1213
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,560
happen, just where I was like
I'm scared.

1214
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:37,320
It was kind of weird it it was
like an unnatural fear.

1215
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,840
And I don't know if that was
just my body's reaction.

1216
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:41,280
Like I've never been in a
situation.

1217
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:42,520
I had no frame of reference for
this.

1218
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,880
You know, if it was a guy with a
knife or a gun, hey, we can

1219
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,120
handle that.
We know what to do.

1220
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:48,640
This is something completely
different.

1221
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,600
So I don't know if it was that
or if it was something else.

1222
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,760
I don't know if I got like
zapped or something with

1223
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:59,610
infrasound.
So not seeing anything, I start

1224
01:04:59,610 --> 01:05:02,130
heading down the road.
I don't run, but I I quickly

1225
01:05:02,130 --> 01:05:06,130
catch up with the the group and
I tell them what happened.

1226
01:05:06,130 --> 01:05:08,730
And I'm trying to rationalize
like, well, you know, I did have

1227
01:05:08,730 --> 01:05:10,930
my backpack on.
Maybe my water bottle.

1228
01:05:10,930 --> 01:05:12,490
I had a plastic water bottle
back there.

1229
01:05:12,850 --> 01:05:16,690
Maybe somehow it got jostled and
it like released some air or

1230
01:05:16,690 --> 01:05:18,410
something.
I'm trying to like figure out

1231
01:05:18,410 --> 01:05:20,650
what happened.
I'm trying to deduce what the

1232
01:05:20,650 --> 01:05:21,490
sound was.
I heard.

1233
01:05:21,490 --> 01:05:23,410
So I'm.
And I'm like pulling my water

1234
01:05:23,410 --> 01:05:25,330
bottle out and squeezing it and
it's a hair tight.

1235
01:05:25,330 --> 01:05:27,290
Nothing's coming out of there.
I can't figure it out.

1236
01:05:27,930 --> 01:05:31,690
Still have this irrational fear.
We get in a truck, drive back to

1237
01:05:31,690 --> 01:05:33,290
the campsite.
It was our last night there.

1238
01:05:36,170 --> 01:05:38,050
Still get to the campsite.
Still scared.

1239
01:05:40,410 --> 01:05:42,850
Eventually, everybody but me and
Will Omer.

1240
01:05:42,850 --> 01:05:45,610
Will Omer is a Craftsman 58 on
YouTube.

1241
01:05:45,610 --> 01:05:47,650
He's a he's a solid dude.
He's a good researcher.

1242
01:05:50,350 --> 01:05:53,070
We stay up and Will's like, you
know, I feel a little uneasy

1243
01:05:53,070 --> 01:05:54,230
too.
He goes, and I don't know if he

1244
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:57,630
was feeding off of me or if he
actually, you know, like if he

1245
01:05:57,630 --> 01:06:00,470
had reasons to be uneasy.
But I was like, I feel like

1246
01:06:00,470 --> 01:06:01,390
something's going to happen
tonight.

1247
01:06:01,390 --> 01:06:04,870
And he's like, I do too.
And we're setting by the fire.

1248
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:08,110
We fed the fire all night long,
and I just kept having this.

1249
01:06:08,110 --> 01:06:11,510
I felt like whatever I was as
scared of was like, over here on

1250
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:13,990
this hill.
Like I kept thinking like the

1251
01:06:14,110 --> 01:06:16,070
Bigfoot, we're going to come
over that hill, like the Zulu

1252
01:06:16,070 --> 01:06:21,070
Nation and just massacres.
And finally, you know, we set

1253
01:06:21,070 --> 01:06:23,190
around the campfire.
I had my I had a pistol.

1254
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:26,190
Will had a shotgun.
And finally, about 3:00 in the

1255
01:06:26,190 --> 01:06:30,070
morning, we hear this boom.
And it wasn't a gunshot.

1256
01:06:30,070 --> 01:06:34,190
It wasn't a tree knock.
It was just this big boom.

1257
01:06:34,590 --> 01:06:38,910
And Will looks at me and he
goes, is it just me or the

1258
01:06:38,910 --> 01:06:41,510
atmosphere just change?
And I'm like, dude, I'm not

1259
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:42,630
scared.
I mean, it was like somebody

1260
01:06:42,630 --> 01:06:44,470
flipped a switch and I wasn't
scared anymore.

1261
01:06:45,310 --> 01:06:48,030
Was it winner?
No, it was, it was about this

1262
01:06:48,030 --> 01:06:49,910
time of year.
It was kind of like August

1263
01:06:49,910 --> 01:06:52,670
Septemberish.
You said this was in Washington.

1264
01:06:53,070 --> 01:06:58,910
Yeah, and like I said, it was
like somebody flipped the

1265
01:06:58,910 --> 01:07:00,070
switch.
I wasn't scared anymore.

1266
01:07:00,070 --> 01:07:02,030
I was like, huh, Well, I guess
I'll go to bed now and get some

1267
01:07:02,030 --> 01:07:03,990
sleep because I had to drive
everybody out of there the next

1268
01:07:03,990 --> 01:07:06,510
day and I went and got my tent,
went to sleep.

1269
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:09,350
But that's the strangest thing I
think it's ever happened.

1270
01:07:09,350 --> 01:07:13,030
That was #1 #2 was the thing on
Port Chatham with the in the

1271
01:07:13,030 --> 01:07:14,270
tree.
But that was the number one

1272
01:07:14,270 --> 01:07:15,870
weirdest, like most
unexplainable things that

1273
01:07:15,870 --> 01:07:18,010
wrapped to me.
And I don't know if it was

1274
01:07:18,010 --> 01:07:20,770
Bigfoot related.
I don't know if it was my mind

1275
01:07:20,970 --> 01:07:23,170
playing tricks on me.
I don't know what it was, but it

1276
01:07:23,170 --> 01:07:26,490
was freaky as hell.
Well, the zapping phenomenon,

1277
01:07:26,490 --> 01:07:29,210
that is something that gets
reported quite a bit, especially

1278
01:07:29,210 --> 01:07:32,930
within the Wu community.
I do know a couple flesh and

1279
01:07:32,930 --> 01:07:36,210
blooders that that, you know,
will say that they can ZAP.

1280
01:07:36,770 --> 01:07:40,250
And I mean that that's, you
know, psychic phenomenon right

1281
01:07:40,250 --> 01:07:42,330
there.
Well, tigers and and elephants

1282
01:07:42,330 --> 01:07:46,300
can use them for sound, yeah?
It's not, it's not beyond, you

1283
01:07:46,300 --> 01:07:48,980
know, it's not woo.
I mean, it is woo, but it's not

1284
01:07:48,980 --> 01:07:50,900
woo.
It's it's a actual, actual

1285
01:07:50,900 --> 01:07:53,980
thing, right?
It's just outside of our our

1286
01:07:53,980 --> 01:08:00,620
abilities to to to recognize and
and properly translate it, you

1287
01:08:00,660 --> 01:08:03,700
know, into useful information.
And you know, there's mountain

1288
01:08:03,700 --> 01:08:05,540
lions there too.
I don't know if mountain lions

1289
01:08:05,540 --> 01:08:09,020
can use it or not, but if tigers
can, maybe mountain lions can.

1290
01:08:09,580 --> 01:08:11,420
Good possibility.
And we had seen some Mountain

1291
01:08:11,420 --> 01:08:14,430
Lion tracks earlier.
And our trek up that hill,

1292
01:08:14,510 --> 01:08:17,310
actually, it was kind of weird.
We saw tracks of every like, we

1293
01:08:17,310 --> 01:08:21,390
saw moose tracks, elk tracks,
bear tracks, deer tracks, Turkey

1294
01:08:21,390 --> 01:08:24,630
tracks.
I know I'm leaving something

1295
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:26,310
out.
Like, we literally saw every

1296
01:08:26,310 --> 01:08:27,550
animal that lived in those
woods.

1297
01:08:27,550 --> 01:08:29,270
We saw their tracks on that
road.

1298
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:31,830
And I remember we found the
Mountain Lion tracks and I'm

1299
01:08:31,830 --> 01:08:34,840
like, what are those?
And Will's like, that's Mountain

1300
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:35,920
Lion.
And I remember thinking like,

1301
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:39,359
oh, I don't know how to deal
with mountain lions, like, who's

1302
01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:41,720
some bear I'm good with, but I
don't know anything about

1303
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,240
mountain lions.
That's a little weird cake.

1304
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:45,840
Cats are scary, man.
Yeah.

1305
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:50,120
Jake, you got anything?
Man, you were exploring in like

1306
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:53,640
a hunting guide's dream.
All those cracks in one spot,

1307
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,640
it's like, let's go.
Yeah, it was.

1308
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,040
It was crazy because we were all
and they were all going in One

1309
01:08:59,040 --> 01:08:59,880
Direction.
They were.

1310
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,960
So we walk up to this Logging
Rd. was kind of like up a hill.

1311
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,359
And all those tracks were going
down the hill.

1312
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:08,880
That was kind of weird.
We're like, was there like some

1313
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,120
kind of mass migration or
something chasing everything

1314
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:13,160
down this hill?
Here's your sign that.

1315
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,040
Was probably.
That was probably a good

1316
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:17,359
indication that we should have
turned around.

1317
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,640
I'm glad you didn't.
You probably had that experience

1318
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,560
because you didn't.
Maybe, Yeah.

1319
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:27,800
I don't know.
I've been back to that area,

1320
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,090
not.
That exact same area but the

1321
01:09:32,090 --> 01:09:37,010
same general like camp camping
area and they've, they've logged

1322
01:09:37,010 --> 01:09:40,210
it, they've started logging it.
So it's just it's just not the

1323
01:09:40,210 --> 01:09:43,770
same.
And actually, you know, because

1324
01:09:43,770 --> 01:09:45,689
I live in Alaska, there's plenty
of room up here.

1325
01:09:45,729 --> 01:09:46,810
You know, I'm not one of those
guys.

1326
01:09:46,810 --> 01:09:48,930
It's like we have to, you know,
we have to protect the Bigfoot

1327
01:09:48,930 --> 01:09:50,689
before they're all gone because
they've got plenty of room up

1328
01:09:50,689 --> 01:09:53,370
here.
But being down there and seeing

1329
01:09:53,370 --> 01:09:55,970
that it was kind of like, oh,
this is not good.

1330
01:09:55,970 --> 01:09:57,290
Like if they're in there,
they're.

1331
01:09:58,210 --> 01:10:01,290
Going somewhere else now or
they're going to die like that

1332
01:10:01,290 --> 01:10:03,850
was kind of, kind of, kind of
made me a little sad.

1333
01:10:04,450 --> 01:10:07,650
All that area that we had been
researching in for that

1334
01:10:07,650 --> 01:10:10,010
documentary is is gone now.
It's all been logged.

1335
01:10:10,130 --> 01:10:14,170
And I didn't last time I was
there and I wanted to go back

1336
01:10:14,170 --> 01:10:16,290
there because I wanted and I
wanted to spend the night there

1337
01:10:16,290 --> 01:10:19,810
by myself because I wanted to
kind of like face my fears

1338
01:10:19,810 --> 01:10:21,930
because I've never really been
scared like that before.

1339
01:10:22,810 --> 01:10:24,730
And I was like, I got to go back
and I got to spend the night by

1340
01:10:24,730 --> 01:10:27,840
myself.
And I did it and and it was

1341
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:30,360
fine.
Nothing happened.

1342
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,160
Although one of the nights while
I was out there I did hear some

1343
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:37,040
wolves off in the distance but
nothing squashy.

1344
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,320
But again, they they come in and
start logging.

1345
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:41,680
So they were probably long gone
by then, yeah?

1346
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:46,280
That's funny that you mentioned
the the missing 411.

1347
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:49,200
It's like, so yeah, I saw Larry
back there taking a leak and now

1348
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,120
it's just his jacket.
He's gone.

1349
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:54,480
He just gets snatched, just
taken in.

1350
01:10:54,890 --> 01:10:57,610
So some of those cases are so
weird because, Oh yeah, you just

1351
01:10:57,610 --> 01:10:58,970
hear about, like, Oh yeah, he's
right there.

1352
01:10:58,970 --> 01:11:00,010
And then you turn around.
He's gone.

1353
01:11:00,330 --> 01:11:05,450
Yeah, yeah, I know.
That's crazy, man.

1354
01:11:05,570 --> 01:11:06,570
Great stuff.
Yeah.

1355
01:11:06,570 --> 01:11:11,450
Jeremy as it it's often the
case.

1356
01:11:11,450 --> 01:11:14,010
Jeremy read the book.
He set the whole thing up right.

1357
01:11:14,050 --> 01:11:19,330
He didn't actually allow me to
know what the topic was because

1358
01:11:19,330 --> 01:11:21,890
he wanted to surprise me with it
yesterday, right?

1359
01:11:22,270 --> 01:11:24,750
And get my opinions on it and
then come over here and pretty

1360
01:11:24,750 --> 01:11:28,870
much be the the bystander, the
layman in this conversation,

1361
01:11:28,870 --> 01:11:30,270
right.
Just being reactionary and

1362
01:11:30,270 --> 01:11:32,670
stuff.
And as questions come up, but

1363
01:11:32,670 --> 01:11:35,270
man, I'm going to have to snatch
up your book and read it too,

1364
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:40,310
because I'm, I'm really like,
this is cool, This is really

1365
01:11:40,310 --> 01:11:42,150
cool.
I can see why Jeremy is so hyped

1366
01:11:42,150 --> 01:11:44,910
up and he wants to go do it too
if if we get the opportunity.

1367
01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:47,710
I I wanted to commend you on
your on your comment you made

1368
01:11:47,710 --> 01:11:51,190
about how Port Chatham doesn't
fit the.

1369
01:11:52,370 --> 01:11:57,530
Typical ghost town stereotype,
you know, usually you see like a

1370
01:11:57,530 --> 01:12:01,170
town built up around a resource,
they deplete the resource and

1371
01:12:01,170 --> 01:12:04,370
then the town's abandoned port.
Chatham definitely doesn't fit

1372
01:12:04,370 --> 01:12:06,450
that mold.
You know the the logging, the

1373
01:12:06,450 --> 01:12:09,450
trees are still there, they
could still be logging, the fish

1374
01:12:09,450 --> 01:12:11,210
were still there, they could
still be fishing.

1375
01:12:12,010 --> 01:12:14,690
So I think that's one of the
things that kind of.

1376
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,840
Maybe adds to the mystique of
the area is because it just

1377
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,520
doesn't fit the typical ghost
town mold.

1378
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:27,120
And then of course, you know,
you get people that you know,

1379
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,560
they find out like, well, maybe
you know the story wasn't quite

1380
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:31,160
like it.
You know, there's this Bigfoot

1381
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:34,160
Massacre theory going on that
the Bigfoot just murdered tons

1382
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:37,240
of people in the town.
And once people find out that's

1383
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:40,080
not necessarily the the truth,
they're like, oh, well, then

1384
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:42,480
it's bullshit, You know, it's
that, you know, we've reached a

1385
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:44,960
point in our society where it
has to be this way or it has to

1386
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:46,880
be this way.
It can't be a little bit of this

1387
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,720
and a little bit of that.
You know, like maybe both sides

1388
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:53,840
have some good points and you
know, people find out like, oh

1389
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,560
what there was no, you know,
there wasn't like 10s of, of.

1390
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:59,390
You know, hundreds of people
murdered in this town.

1391
01:12:59,390 --> 01:13:01,270
Well then there's no Bigfoot.
That's bullshit.

1392
01:13:02,590 --> 01:13:07,030
You know, all it takes is, you
know, a couple of sightings and

1393
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:11,230
we certainly got those.
You know, Bigfoot doesn't

1394
01:13:11,230 --> 01:13:16,070
necessarily have to be a a
rampaging beast, although if

1395
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:19,350
there was a perfect storm for
Bigfoot to become violent, I

1396
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:22,630
think it was in Port Chatham.
You had the logging, you had the

1397
01:13:22,630 --> 01:13:24,710
fishing, they were taking the
resources.

1398
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:27,110
You're at the southern tip of a
peninsula.

1399
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:30,430
There's nowhere to go.
You know it.

1400
01:13:30,430 --> 01:13:35,470
It's certainly possible that
they backed a big the Bigfoot

1401
01:13:35,470 --> 01:13:38,270
tribe, family, troop, whatever
you want to call it, into a

1402
01:13:38,270 --> 01:13:41,670
corner.
And there was some retaliation.

1403
01:13:44,550 --> 01:13:48,390
We we broke that whole thing
down and we did that manner and

1404
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:50,630
I was my comment was it's like
well.

1405
01:13:51,310 --> 01:13:53,910
You know, because he had
mentioned that there's a fire

1406
01:13:53,910 --> 01:13:56,950
and all kinds of stuff and I was
just like, well, you know, both

1407
01:13:56,950 --> 01:13:58,510
things can be true at the same
time.

1408
01:13:58,630 --> 01:14:03,750
There could be a fire depending
on the season.

1409
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:06,790
It's like, is it even worth
trying to rebuild this right

1410
01:14:06,790 --> 01:14:10,870
now?
And then also having either a,

1411
01:14:11,510 --> 01:14:16,150
let's call it a couple, you
know, issues missing people, you

1412
01:14:16,150 --> 01:14:17,990
know, a couple dead people type
stuff.

1413
01:14:18,450 --> 01:14:21,770
Whether that was a serial killer
was just in the area and he's

1414
01:14:21,770 --> 01:14:23,970
like blaming the Bigfoot or
something like that.

1415
01:14:24,210 --> 01:14:29,170
And but then you had the the
native legends surrounding that

1416
01:14:29,170 --> 01:14:30,570
sort of stuff.
So it would have kind of

1417
01:14:30,810 --> 01:14:34,130
gravitated to people, might have
gravitated towards, you know

1418
01:14:34,130 --> 01:14:36,930
this idea that the Sasquatch
were were picking people off

1419
01:14:36,930 --> 01:14:38,970
type stuff.
I was like either way you look

1420
01:14:38,970 --> 01:14:43,010
at it, you know, like you just
said resources weren't gone.

1421
01:14:43,250 --> 01:14:45,370
I was like, this could have just
been a like, you know what?

1422
01:14:45,850 --> 01:14:47,870
Screw it.
I just, we just can't deal with

1423
01:14:47,870 --> 01:14:49,950
it anymore, like.
There is an article going around

1424
01:14:49,950 --> 01:14:53,190
that just grinds my gears
because there's this guy out

1425
01:14:53,190 --> 01:14:55,830
there that's like the reason
Port Chatham was abandoned is

1426
01:14:55,830 --> 01:14:59,710
because the road was built that
connected Anchorage to Homer,

1427
01:15:00,430 --> 01:15:03,990
and that is the biggest bunch of
bullshit I've ever heard in my

1428
01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:08,070
life.
If the road killed Port Chatham,

1429
01:15:08,070 --> 01:15:11,910
then why do Soldovia, Nanwaloch
and Port Graham still exist?

1430
01:15:12,580 --> 01:15:14,300
There's still 3 villages over
there.

1431
01:15:14,620 --> 01:15:16,340
We don't do logic here on this
show, all right?

1432
01:15:18,260 --> 01:15:22,060
So why would the road kill 1
Village but not the other three?

1433
01:15:22,380 --> 01:15:25,380
It's just, it's flawed logic.
It's just, it's a guy that he's.

1434
01:15:25,380 --> 01:15:26,780
I don't think he's ever been to
Alaska.

1435
01:15:27,220 --> 01:15:29,900
And he's just like, I'll prove
there's no Bigfoot.

1436
01:15:29,900 --> 01:15:32,180
Oh, look, there was a highway
built right around the time that

1437
01:15:32,180 --> 01:15:34,340
town was abandoned.
That must be it.

1438
01:15:37,420 --> 01:15:41,180
But yeah, it's.
It's a it's an interesting

1439
01:15:41,180 --> 01:15:42,300
story.
I'm actually surprised there

1440
01:15:42,300 --> 01:15:46,460
hasn't been some kind of movie
or something made about it.

1441
01:15:47,740 --> 01:15:50,100
It would.
It would make an amazing story.

1442
01:15:50,460 --> 01:15:53,700
It would.
Yeah, and that's the thing.

1443
01:15:53,700 --> 01:15:56,300
Like, there's not, there's not
really that many good Bigfoot

1444
01:15:56,300 --> 01:15:58,340
movies out there.
And this could be one.

1445
01:15:58,980 --> 01:16:03,660
It definitely could be.
I don't know that that one came

1446
01:16:03,660 --> 01:16:06,180
out a couple years ago.
The man who killed Hitler and

1447
01:16:06,660 --> 01:16:08,770
then killed the Bigfoot.
Yeah, on Netflix.

1448
01:16:08,770 --> 01:16:10,290
You ever seen that, Jake?
What?

1449
01:16:12,130 --> 01:16:13,170
I'm not.
I'm not joking.

1450
01:16:13,170 --> 01:16:15,650
That's the title of the movie.
It's on Netflix.

1451
01:16:15,650 --> 01:16:16,850
You got to see it.
It's.

1452
01:16:17,130 --> 01:16:19,730
Pretty good.
It's kind of a, it's kind of a

1453
01:16:19,730 --> 01:16:23,170
little bit of a B movie.
I want, I want a high budget, I

1454
01:16:23,170 --> 01:16:28,010
want a good like the Godzilla
movies, you know, like the the

1455
01:16:28,210 --> 01:16:30,930
recent Godzilla movies with the,
I mean you could do a spinoff

1456
01:16:30,930 --> 01:16:33,290
from that with The Monarch
looking into Bigfoot, you know,

1457
01:16:33,290 --> 01:16:35,530
it's kind of like Godzilla.
It's just a little smaller.

1458
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:40,280
Yeah, yeah, I'm a big monster,
monster movie guy.

1459
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:44,240
Aliens and monsters, right?
And I I tell Jeremy all the

1460
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:46,320
time, it's like, gosh, they need
more monster movies.

1461
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,120
It's like everyone wants to talk
about the demons and all this

1462
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:51,000
crap and all the murders and
everything.

1463
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:54,600
I want more monster movies, you
know, like if we could for me,

1464
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,600
if it if it was a Bigfoot movie,
along the same lines to the last

1465
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:00,720
Wolfman movie that came out.
Have you seen exist?

1466
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:05,280
No.
OK, Jake, you got to you got to

1467
01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:09,660
watch exist.
It's in my opinion, which is not

1468
01:17:09,660 --> 01:17:12,620
worth much.
It's probably it's the best

1469
01:17:12,700 --> 01:17:16,300
modern Bigfoot movie.
I gotta see which one it is

1470
01:17:16,300 --> 01:17:19,380
because I've seen so many of
them.

1471
01:17:21,860 --> 01:17:23,380
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen
this.

1472
01:17:23,380 --> 01:17:26,460
This is on Amazon.
Yeah, it's really good.

1473
01:17:27,300 --> 01:17:28,420
I've seen this.
It is good.

1474
01:17:28,820 --> 01:17:29,820
It is very good.
Yep.

1475
01:17:29,860 --> 01:17:32,420
It's it's kind of a found
footage, you know?

1476
01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:33,990
Where?
Which is type?

1477
01:17:34,030 --> 01:17:37,070
But the the quality, the suit
quality is amazing.

1478
01:17:37,390 --> 01:17:38,910
You know, the Bigfoot looks
really great.

1479
01:17:39,950 --> 01:17:43,630
The story's pretty good.
I mean, it's not Shakespeare,

1480
01:17:43,630 --> 01:17:46,910
but it's it's all right, you
know?

1481
01:17:47,350 --> 01:17:50,310
All right.
Scifi Channel, you hear this.

1482
01:17:50,430 --> 01:17:54,270
We don't want you.
We need somebody who knows what

1483
01:17:54,270 --> 01:17:57,030
they're doing.
Yeah, well, there was that book

1484
01:17:57,070 --> 01:18:01,590
that Max Brooks wrote,
Devolution, or whatever it was.

1485
01:18:02,020 --> 01:18:02,980
That was pretty good.
And.

1486
01:18:03,220 --> 01:18:04,900
And they were going to, they
were talking about making a

1487
01:18:04,900 --> 01:18:08,860
movie and that into a movie.
And then I think it, I think it

1488
01:18:08,860 --> 01:18:12,020
fell through or it got kind of
like they're like, yeah, we're

1489
01:18:12,020 --> 01:18:14,180
not going to, we're not going to
make this, we're going to make

1490
01:18:14,180 --> 01:18:15,580
something else.
Did you read that book?

1491
01:18:16,260 --> 01:18:19,100
Yeah, I've got it back here.
Yeah, man, it.

1492
01:18:19,260 --> 01:18:22,100
Was a really slow start.
Once it got going, it was good.

1493
01:18:22,100 --> 01:18:29,620
But the it's Man, it's a I read
so many, so many fictional books

1494
01:18:29,620 --> 01:18:33,510
about Bigfoot too.
Job remember here it's either

1495
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:36,630
the one where they have like
this little community.

1496
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:38,270
Yeah.
Green loop.

1497
01:18:38,590 --> 01:18:39,750
That's it.
That's the one.

1498
01:18:40,030 --> 01:18:40,590
OK.
OK.

1499
01:18:40,590 --> 01:18:42,270
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was a good one.

1500
01:18:42,510 --> 01:18:44,750
That was a.
Good one I I felt it was once it

1501
01:18:44,750 --> 01:18:47,390
started going it was good.
Like the last like 100 pages.

1502
01:18:47,390 --> 01:18:49,910
Or no, probably not.
Even that last 75 pages were

1503
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:53,670
awesome, but building to that
point was a little slow.

1504
01:18:54,230 --> 01:18:56,790
I think that they can make a
better movie out of that than

1505
01:18:56,790 --> 01:19:00,430
they did out of World War Z.
I've never seen World War Z I'm

1506
01:19:00,430 --> 01:19:02,030
not.
Zombie movies are OK, but

1507
01:19:02,030 --> 01:19:04,590
they're not really my back.
Well, World War Z was originally

1508
01:19:04,590 --> 01:19:09,150
a Max Brooks novel, but the
novel is nothing like the movie.

1509
01:19:09,190 --> 01:19:11,030
It's.
I do know that, yeah.

1510
01:19:11,110 --> 01:19:14,470
The novel is just a whole bunch
of, like, news clips and

1511
01:19:14,470 --> 01:19:18,910
articles and that kind of stuff.
Hilarious.

1512
01:19:19,670 --> 01:19:22,880
What's that?
That that the man who killed

1513
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:25,240
Hitler and then Bigfoot.
I was sitting here looking at

1514
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:26,960
it.
I was like, is that Sam Elliott?

1515
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:30,000
And I clicked on it, went into
the IMDb and I was just like,

1516
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:31,920
holy crap, it's freaking Sam
Elliott.

1517
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:34,200
That's hilarious.
I'll totally watch it.

1518
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:36,960
You got to watch it.
I'll watch it just for that

1519
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:42,320
mustache, bro.
No good.

1520
01:19:42,440 --> 01:19:43,720
Good stuff, man.
All right.

1521
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:48,440
So before we wrap up for the
night, let's let's let's talk

1522
01:19:48,440 --> 01:19:53,390
about, talk about you know what
what can the, the the listeners

1523
01:19:53,390 --> 01:19:57,270
of the Infinite Rabbit Hole.
How can they find you talk about

1524
01:19:57,270 --> 01:19:59,150
Alice Watchman, Let's let's do
this.

1525
01:19:59,630 --> 01:20:02,830
Yeah, so I've got a little
podcast I I don't have like a

1526
01:20:02,830 --> 01:20:04,990
regular set schedule.
Kind of put it out whenever I

1527
01:20:04,990 --> 01:20:07,790
feel like it.
You can list it on all the major

1528
01:20:07,790 --> 01:20:11,350
pod catchers, Spotify, iTunes,
all that good stuff.

1529
01:20:12,750 --> 01:20:16,030
And you can go to the website
itsalastwatchpodcast.com.

1530
01:20:16,390 --> 01:20:20,390
It's like Alaska and Sasquatch.
ALASQQATCH.

1531
01:20:21,110 --> 01:20:23,510
You can go to the website, you
can purchase my books.

1532
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:25,350
You can have them personalized
and autographed.

1533
01:20:25,350 --> 01:20:27,550
If you buy them from the books,
that's not your thing.

1534
01:20:27,550 --> 01:20:29,470
You can buy them from Amazon.
I know a lot of people love

1535
01:20:29,470 --> 01:20:31,990
Amazon for the free shipping.
I live in Alaska.

1536
01:20:31,990 --> 01:20:33,670
I cannot give you free shipping.
I'm sorry.

1537
01:20:35,950 --> 01:20:37,910
Yeah, I've got the the usual
links.

1538
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:39,830
I've got the Instagram.
I'm on the Facebook.

1539
01:20:40,390 --> 01:20:44,100
I'm so old.
The Facebook I'm on the Twitter

1540
01:20:44,100 --> 01:20:49,620
or no XX, I'm on X, but under
everything, just a last watch or

1541
01:20:49,620 --> 01:20:51,500
last watch podcast is pretty
much what I'm under.

1542
01:20:52,100 --> 01:20:54,500
I throw out.
I think I'm one of the first

1543
01:20:54,500 --> 01:20:58,420
Bigfoot memes.
I make a lot of Bigfoot memes

1544
01:20:58,580 --> 01:21:01,900
and throw them up on the on
Facebook and Instagram.

1545
01:21:02,740 --> 01:21:06,100
Some of it might hurt if you're
if you're sensitive they might

1546
01:21:06,100 --> 01:21:09,980
hurt your feelings a little bit.
But I like to make fun of some

1547
01:21:09,980 --> 01:21:12,220
of the stuff in the Bigfoot
community that kind of kind of

1548
01:21:12,220 --> 01:21:15,560
irritates me.
There's there's a there's one

1549
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:19,480
where I have the the dipper from
Gravity Falls where he likes a

1550
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:21,480
piece of paper and goes that's
this is worthless.

1551
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:25,760
I have one where he's like it's
like dear Bigfoot researcher, I

1552
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:28,440
know where Bigfoot is and I see
him all the time.

1553
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:32,240
However, I can't offer you any
proof because reasons and then

1554
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:37,520
dippers like this is worthless
because that drives me crazy

1555
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:40,800
where people are like, oh I have
the greatest footage of Bigfoot

1556
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:42,520
you've ever seen.
It's better than the PG film,

1557
01:21:43,220 --> 01:21:44,300
but I can't show it to you.
Sorry.

1558
01:21:44,860 --> 01:21:46,420
Yeah, it's like, well, don't
even tell me about it.

1559
01:21:46,980 --> 01:21:50,180
Bigfoot comes over every Friday
night to play checkers with me,

1560
01:21:50,180 --> 01:21:52,860
but you can't meet him because
he said so sorry.

1561
01:21:54,060 --> 01:21:55,540
All right.
Well, we just, we just followed

1562
01:21:55,540 --> 01:22:00,340
you on everything.
And also, I'd subscribe to the

1563
01:22:00,460 --> 01:22:01,740
the podcast.
I'll give it a couple.

1564
01:22:01,740 --> 01:22:02,860
I'll give it a listen, man.
Awesome.

1565
01:22:02,900 --> 01:22:04,260
I'm trying to get one here out
pretty soon.

1566
01:22:04,260 --> 01:22:09,560
If you guys know Chook Chook's
Outdoor Adventures, he's a he's.

1567
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,440
I think he started out as like a
gun tuber, Like he does gun

1568
01:22:12,440 --> 01:22:14,600
videos and stuff, and he's kind
of started to get into like

1569
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:15,960
Bigfoot.
And I was just hanging out with

1570
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:17,800
him the other day.
We were filming some stuff, so

1571
01:22:18,440 --> 01:22:22,920
those should go up pretty soon.
I'll look for it for sure.

1572
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:26,440
Beans.
By the way, how did you get the

1573
01:22:26,440 --> 01:22:29,040
nickname?
Well, it's not a very exciting

1574
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:33,080
story.
So when I was in like elementary

1575
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:37,210
school, the Fox network came
out.

1576
01:22:37,210 --> 01:22:42,370
There was they had like married
with children and 21 Jump St.

1577
01:22:42,890 --> 01:22:44,970
and a couple other shows.
Well, one of those shows that

1578
01:22:45,050 --> 01:22:47,450
they first rolled out with was
called Beans Baxter.

1579
01:22:47,810 --> 01:22:51,330
And there's about this kid, his
dad was a spy and he gets like

1580
01:22:51,330 --> 01:22:56,370
kidnapped by the evil spy
organization and the the spy

1581
01:22:56,370 --> 01:22:59,570
network that he worked for, they
recruit Beans, his son, to help

1582
01:22:59,570 --> 01:23:02,410
find him.
So Beans was like a teenage spy,

1583
01:23:02,410 --> 01:23:03,810
and he was like looking for his
dad.

1584
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:06,640
And his last name was Baxter,
and my last name is Baxter.

1585
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:10,120
So people started calling me
Beans, and it kind of stuck.

1586
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:13,000
And it didn't help that my dad's
name's Larry and my name's

1587
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:14,320
Larry.
So it was kind of a way to

1588
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:17,720
differentiate between us.
So it just stuck.

1589
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,360
And it's just, it's like the
dude, you know?

1590
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:23,160
Like it's like, I'm Beans, you
know, like I'm the Beans.

1591
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:25,880
People call me Larry and I'm
like, who?

1592
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:32,200
Well, man, do you got anything
else that you want to plug real

1593
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,040
quick?
No, man.

1594
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:37,320
Just I hope everybody enjoyed
our talk.

1595
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:39,400
You know, I love talking about
Bigfoot in Alaska.

1596
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:43,760
It's two of my favorite things.
You know, just be careful what

1597
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:45,840
you consume out there in the in
the Bigfoot world because

1598
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:47,880
there's a there's a lot of good
stuff, there's a lot of

1599
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,280
entertaining stuff, but there's
a lot of stuff out there that

1600
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:53,480
they're just not very honest
with you.

1601
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:58,280
Yeah, Jake, you got anything for
him before we go?

1602
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:00,520
No, I'm just stoked to have you
here.

1603
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:01,960
That was that was very
entertaining.

1604
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:05,680
I appreciate it.
And I yeah, yeah, it'd be cool

1605
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:08,240
if we could get, if we could get
access to that area.

1606
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:09,680
But I'm not going to hold my
breath.

1607
01:24:11,480 --> 01:24:14,040
Doesn't mean we won't try.
Yeah, people ask me all the time

1608
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:17,440
if I would go back and you know,
I said I don't have any plans

1609
01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:21,080
to, but if the right
circumstances aligned, you know,

1610
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:23,400
I would do it.
But I don't really want to go

1611
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:27,110
back for like a day trip or
something.

1612
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:29,750
Like if I want to, if I'm going
to go back, I want to like do it

1613
01:24:29,750 --> 01:24:34,670
right, Go back with a good team
and you know, a lot of resources

1614
01:24:34,670 --> 01:24:38,550
and people and spend multiple
days on the ground and just, you

1615
01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:40,750
know, do it right.
Right on, man.

1616
01:24:42,190 --> 01:24:44,750
All right, Well, that has been
another episode of the Infinite

1617
01:24:44,750 --> 01:24:48,790
Rabbit Hole podcast.
You guys have a Do you guys have

1618
01:24:48,790 --> 01:24:50,030
A to do Rabbit ears?
Is it?

1619
01:24:50,350 --> 01:24:51,570
Is that the?
Oh no.

1620
01:24:51,570 --> 01:24:53,530
Is that the official?
Is that the official rabbit

1621
01:24:53,530 --> 01:24:55,290
hole?
Is that the official rabbit

1622
01:24:55,290 --> 01:24:57,250
hole?
Handshake you gotta make,

1623
01:24:57,250 --> 01:24:59,050
Antlers fans.
It's the.

1624
01:24:59,050 --> 01:25:01,810
It's the.
Tackle We're not furries, all

1625
01:25:01,810 --> 01:25:04,930
right?
No, we actually don't.

1626
01:25:05,010 --> 01:25:06,810
We don't post the video.
We don't post video.

1627
01:25:07,730 --> 01:25:09,770
We used to back when we were on
the paranormal network.

1628
01:25:10,450 --> 01:25:13,130
We got we got recruited by the
paranormal network back when

1629
01:25:13,130 --> 01:25:16,410
that was the thing.
And we used to do the video, but

1630
01:25:16,410 --> 01:25:18,290
we haven't really done it since
this.

1631
01:25:18,290 --> 01:25:20,130
Is just so that we're not
cutting each other off.

1632
01:25:20,130 --> 01:25:22,530
We can get those.
No, I I completely understand.

1633
01:25:23,090 --> 01:25:27,010
I always like to do video
because you can never like you

1634
01:25:27,010 --> 01:25:28,890
end up talking over people when
you can't see them.

1635
01:25:29,090 --> 01:25:30,450
Exactly.
You know, if you want to say

1636
01:25:30,450 --> 01:25:33,730
something, you can be like, I
got something to say, raise your

1637
01:25:33,730 --> 01:25:35,810
hand.
But yeah, no, I I completely

1638
01:25:35,810 --> 01:25:37,770
understand.
All right, well, that has been

1639
01:25:37,770 --> 01:25:39,730
another episode of the Infinite
Rabble Podcast.

1640
01:25:40,250 --> 01:25:43,130
Until next time travelers, we'll
see you in the next fork and the

1641
01:25:43,130 --> 01:25:44,690
path of the infinite rabbit
hole.

1642
01:25:45,190 --> 01:25:49,750
Goodbye there, you guys say bye.
Bye.

1643
01:25:49,790 --> 01:25:56,030
There it is.
I would like to thank you once

1644
01:25:56,030 --> 01:25:59,190
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1662
01:26:56,310 --> 01:27:00,790
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1663
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The past.

1664
01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:17,150
Prior to this point in time.
Somewhere in the past, the

1665
01:27:17,190 --> 01:27:20,870
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1666
01:27:21,110 --> 01:27:28,990
1985 Alternate You need
Einstein, the reality for

1667
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everyone else.