145. The Abduction of Carl Higdon

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Imagine that this line
represents a time present 1985

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Future Past.
Prior to this point in time

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somewhere in the past the
timeline skewed into this

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tangent, creating a post in
1985.

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Alternate to you need Einstein,
Fucker, Reality, but everyone

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else.
On October 25th, 1974, Carl

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Higdon was on his way to the job
site to meet up with his work

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crew in rural Wyoming.
To a surprise, every single man

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of his crew that day was sick
and unable to work.

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Carl did as he would do anytime.
He had free time in hunting

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season and grabbed his 7
millimeter mag rifle and headed

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out towards McCarty Canyon and
his pickup truck.

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On his way into the Canyon, Carl
stopped to attempt to help some

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hunters who seemed to be broken
down on the side of the road.

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Sure enough, their truck had
stalled and it wasn't able to

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start back up.
So Carl rolled up his sleeves

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and got to helping the men with
their troubles.

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As time went on, the men all
begin to talk about hunting, and

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soon Carl's plans of heading
into McCarty Canyon changed to

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where the men recommended in
Medicine Bow National Forest.

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The men were pretty convincing,
and the decision was easy to

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make.
So Carl parked his truck on top

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of a Knoll in the National
Forest and sat in his truck

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while drinking his last cup of
coffee for the morning.

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Soon after he took his first
sip, the local game warden

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parked just behind him and began
sparking a conversation.

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The men once again did what men
do in elk hunting season in

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Wyoming and began discussing
their previous hunts over a cup

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of coffee.
It was decided from Carl's point

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of view on top of that Knoll
that he would carry on down the

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hill and try his luck not too
far from the bottom.

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Shortly after Carl had stepped
off the road and into the tree

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line, he was shocked to see that
he was fairly close to fivefold

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grown elk, one of which was a
huge bowl.

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So Carl raised his rifle, placed
the crosshair on the broadside

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shoulder of the large male, and
pulled the trigger.

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To a surprise, the gun made no
noise when he fired, and then he

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watched as the bullet left the
barrel of the 7 millimeter and

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what was perceived as slow
motion.

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The bullet stopped about 7 feet
out and dropped to the forest

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floor.
This was instantly unnerving to

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Carl as a 7 millimeter travels
at over 3600 feet per second.

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Things began to get even
stranger as he looked at the

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group of elk and realized that
none of them had moved an inch.

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As if that weren't enough, now
the entire forest was both

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silent and frozen in place.
No leaves falling, no birds

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chirping, and no win against a
small amount of bear skin on his

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face and wrists.
Everything sat still as he

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walked over to his bullets
jacket laying on the ground,

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picked it up before placing it
into his canteen pouch.

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He stood there and all as he
began to really think about what

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might be actually going on.
He took almost 10 steps in the

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direction of the elk and none of
them even moved at all.

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Just then the hair on the back
of his neck stood up and he

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turned around to find that he
was no longer alone.

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A man was just yards behind him
and looked like no man Carl had

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ever seen before.
Whoever this man was, he was

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about 6 feet tall.
He had hair that Carl described

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as both straw colored and straw
textured, 2 strands of which

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were a little thicker than the
rest and stood straight up on

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top of his forehead like
television antennas.

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His skin was yellow and he
seemed not to have a chin as his

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face seemed to be in line with
his neck.

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He was wearing an all black skin
tight suit with black boots and

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a belt with a yellow 6 pointed
star on the buckle.

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As the man walked bowlegged
towards Carl, he asked.

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Are you hungry?
In which Carl surprisingly

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replied.
A little, and as if they had

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acted before Carl had begun his
reply.

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A packet of pills flew over and
the strange yellow man told Carl

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to take one of his pleasing.
The yellow man explained these

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were four day nutrition pills
and that they should keep him

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satisfied hunger wise for an
extended period of time.

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At this point, Carl recognizes
that he is responding to this

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stranger not under his own will
as he reaches up, grabs a pill

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and swallows it without
hesitation.

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The event continues on its path
of strangeness as a yellow

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stranger asked Carl if he was
interested in going with him,

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and yet again, without any
reason or willingness to do so,

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Carl replied, Might as well
welcome back to infinite

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ravable.
Welcome back to the Infinite

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Rabbit Hole podcast, everybody.
I'm your host Jeremy and today

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we're going over the Carl Higgin
abduction story from 1974.

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This is a strange one guys.
This is a good one though.

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This is a strange book.
Good if you will.

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I loved researching this one.
The Carl Higgins story is a

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classic.
Now there are a lot of people

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that will call BS on this one.
There are a lot of people, and I

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will admit that I have bounced
back and forth myself on this

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one.
But if you listen to the entire

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thing, I'll talk about it a
little bit more at the end.

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But this one might have some
basis in reality.

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I know, I know.
Trust me, if anybody has heard

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of the Carl Higgins story you're
saying right now, this guy's

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lost his mind.
But hang tight, Strap in, We're

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going to travel 163,000 light
miles.

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To a planet that's way too
bright for us.

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I know, I know it's a little
confusing, but we'll get into

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it, I promise you.
Yeah.

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I don't know what a light mile
is either.

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Anyways, I don't want to hold
you guys up any longer.

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We're going to jump right in.
Welcome back everybody and

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enjoy.
The yellow man points a pointed

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appendage coming from where one
of his hands should have been

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towards an area behind them, and
the next thing that Carl knows,

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he was inside of a large glass
cube, seated securely and what

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he only describes as a bucket
seat of sorts.

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With his arm strapped down and
something in which he cannot

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identify on top of his head,
Carl tries to move from his.

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See A few times without any
luck, he is stuck staring at a

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particular section of the cube
and the only thing he has to

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look at are three levers that
the being uses to navigate the

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cube.
He did so by only pointing the

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pointed appendage at the levers
without actually touching in the

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top corner of the glass cube.
Towards the top of this field of

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view, Carl can clearly see the
five elk in the cube with him

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locked up in some sort of cage.
The poor things aren't moving.

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He was very surprised that they
were able to fit in the queue

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with him and the Yellow man,
because from what Carl could

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see, the queue was only about 7
feet wide by 7 feet tall.

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To his best estimate, the Yellow
Man is standing in front of them

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as they hover over the location
of his truck.

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The man once again points his
arm with a little pointy

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appendage, and Carl's truck
vanishes as they pass over the

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Knoll.
The next thing that Carl

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remembers is a large blue ball
with a floating texture, like a

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marble hovering below the
cubicle contraption.

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He has stated that in his
initial belief this was Earth,

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but he quickly decided that it
was not.

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In a split second, everything
goes black, immediately followed

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by the brightest light that Carl
had ever seen in his life.

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The light was so bright that his
eyes begin to tear.

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And as the light began to
dissipate, he began to notice

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that the source was an
illuminated tower, standing

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roughly 90 feet tall with a
rotating light at the top, with

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five people at the base who are
seemingly were just conversing

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among themselves.
Waiting a few seconds would

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bring the bright light back, and
his eyes would begin to tear up

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and burn again.
A sound which seemed to be

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coming from the tower reminded
him of an electric razor.

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The people looked as if they
were relaxed and at peace was

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where they were.
There was an older man that Carl

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thought look like he was in his
mid 40s, a brown haired girl who

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looked 10, another girl with
blonde hair of about the age of

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13, an older teenage boy with
brown hair and another older

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teen, this one a female with
blond hair.

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Soon after the glass cube comes
to a stop, the yellow man and

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another of his kind guides him
out of the glass craft and into

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a large room.
After a brief weight, he is

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guided to a platform that he is
told to stand on and a glass

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contraption comes out of the
wall and begins moving around

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his body as if it were studying
them.

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The strange men then tell Carl
that he is not what they were

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looking for and that they will
be taking them back soon.

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Carl would later state that it
is his belief that they were

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interested in a breeding program
with humans and denied him due

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to his vasectomy.
They weren't lying.

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As almost immediately after this
brief conversation, the original

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yellow man from the woods is
escorting him back to the glass

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cube.
As they exited the building, the

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light which seemed not only be
coming from the tower but also

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from the actual sky, began to
burn his eyes once again.

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When the light fades and the two
men are the only ones in the

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cube, they begin to conversate.
While this man from another

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world holds and studies Carl's
rifle, the man tells Carl that

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he would love to keep the
primitive weapon.

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But it was against the rules for
him to take anything from Earth

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or its inhabitants other than
the food they needed.

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The yellow man with a strange
face and the wiry hair is named

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also one, and he explains the
Carl that they have been coming

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to Earth for many years to
gather fish and other animals

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for food and breeding.
He describes how they process

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the animals into pills that last
their bodies for up to four days

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on their planet.
This is his specific job and he

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is what Carl would call a
hunter.

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Also continues by telling Carl
that the ocean on his planet is

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yellow and all the fish have
died long ago, so they have to

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resort to traveling 163,000
light miles to Earth.

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The two men of separate places
in space continue to talk until

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they arrive just above the
forest and the location that was

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completely unfamiliar to coral.
Before he was dropped off, a few

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more bits of information was
shared about Ozo and his planet,

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including how it was one of nine
planets in their solar system

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and how its civilization uses
the magnetic power of the solar

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system to create electrical
power on his planet.

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And how they have skin that is
extremely sensitive to the

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Earth's sun.
So they were a specific black

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fabric that protects them while
they are here when Ozo and Carl

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were done talking.
Carl was sent floating down to

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the ground on the side of a
hill.

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The ride down was smooth, but
the landing was another story.

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As Carl's feet touched down on a
large rock, he lost balance and

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fell over, hurting his shoulder,
neck and head.

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At this point Carl is
disoriented by either something

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dealing with the experience with
Ozo or the fall, or both.

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He groggily walks down the hill
to a road and stumbles aways

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before coming upon a pickup
truck that he does not recognize

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as his.
So he walks past it until he

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sees a sign reading N Boundary,
Lincoln Forest, and due to being

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unfamiliar with the specific
area, he decides to turn around

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and take shelter in the truck
until he feels better or

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confident in what to do next.
Confused and scared, Carl climbs

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into the driver's seat and
begins trying to make sense of

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the situation.
As his senses begin to tune back

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end, he begins to hear voices
that he eventually recognizes as

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coming from a twoway radio in
the truck.

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The woman on the other end
repeatedly asked Carl who he was

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and where he was.
Carl's only replies for the

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first few minutes of his contact
with an unknown voice was I

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don't, I don't know.
To both questions over and over

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again.
As he's looking around at his

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surroundings, he begins to make
sense out of the sign that his

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truck was parked somewhat close
to and reads it to the voice in

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the Radio N Boundary, Lincoln
Forest.

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The problem then hit him.
He didn't know where that was.

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The last thing that he was sure
of was beginning a hunting trip

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in Medicine Bow National Forest.
The voice came over the radio

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once again and told Carl to look
in the glove box for papers and

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to look for the name of
whoever's truck he was in.

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Here is when Carl fell into a
haze and began mumbling the

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words quote, I don't know.
I'm so cold.

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My elk, the man in black and
blue ball.

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The voice on the two way It was
about 6:30 PM when Marjorie

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Higdon received a phone call
from Bud Rosaker, a friend of

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Carl's, who asked if he was
around.

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Marjorie reluctantly replied
that he wasn't home and that she

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wasn't 100% sure where he was at
the moment.

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Immediately after she hung up
with Bud, the phone ring again.

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This time it was Andy Anderson,
Carl's direct boss, who also

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asked for Carl was.
He followed up the request by

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saying that there was someone in
his company truck that they

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feared was in some sort of
trouble and they needed to know

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where he had gone hunting that
day.

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Unfortunately, Marjorie was
uncertain where he had gone, she

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just knew that he had taken off
hunting in the morning.

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Mr. Anderson didn't want to
upset Marjorie, but he made a

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comment that they were concerned
the man in the truck was Carl

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and that the company had talked
with the Sheriff's Office

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already.
The sheriff reported that Carl

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had a conversation with game
warden that morning in Medicine

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Bow National Park, but his truck
was no longer parked where he

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was last seen.
The conversation with Marjorie

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and the lack of communication
with who they assumed was Carl

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was enough for the sheriff to
put together a search party for

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Carl that consisted of
experienced hunters with four

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wheel drive trucks.
Marjorie, who is clearly upset

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at this point, reached out to
her friend Marilyn and her

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husband Don to ask for a ride to
Medicine Bow where the sheriff

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was going to begin the search.
Don and Marilyn headed over to

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the Hagen household and grabbed
Marjorie and the three headed

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out to the search party.
As the three entered the park,

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Don picked up his CB radio and
requested positioning so that he

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could get out to where the
search was.

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Multiple men replied that they
were in really tough terrain and

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that they recommended not coming
out their way as they have had

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to repeatedly pull each other
out of the mud and ravines, and

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that they had no way to
backtrack for Don, Maryland,

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Marjorie if they were to get
stuck too.

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Don called back a few times for
updates, with the last update

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coming as the sun went down.
The men had still not made it to

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where they believe the company
truck to be, and had reported

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back to Don that they would
radio back when they had reached

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the area.
At this point Mr. Anderson was

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keeping intermittent
communication with Carl and that

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was enough to keep Marjorie's
hopes up about the events.

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As the night aged, Marjorie,
Marilyn and Don began noticing a

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new issue, sleep.
The long hours spent in the

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truck waiting for news to come
proved to be exhausting and the

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trio decided that it was best to
try and sleep for the night.

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Marjorie found this difficult as
her mind continued to worry

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about her husband and his
whereabouts.

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At roughly midnight, Marjorie
began feeling the truck begin to

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rock back and forward.
She held out to the couple in

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front to stop what she assumed
they were doing.

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Marjorie began getting upset
when her request was ignored and

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she looked up and was surprised
to see that Marilyn and Don were

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fast asleep.
But as she was about to make her

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new concerns known, she noticing
extremely bright light in the

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sky through the windshield.
Look at that star.

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It's moving and changing colors
and doing crazy things.

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Don, without opening his eyes,
hold her, go back to sleep.

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Before she could try to get her
friends to witness the light,

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the CB radio came to life.
We have Carl, but we are going

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out a different way.
Meet us at the South gate.

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Without hesitation, Don fired up
the truck and the trio took off

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for the new rendezvous where
they would wait for Carl.

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Marjorie was beginning to feel
much better that her husband was

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found alive.
As the search team came through

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the gate, Marjorie leaped out of
the truck and immediately went

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to where Carl was sitting.
Carl stared in the space and had

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zero expression on his face,
even when the woman that he was

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married to was standing right
next to him.

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Well, did you get your ilk?
Marjorie asked.

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Carl turned to face her, but
never lost the expression in his

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eye that made him look like he
was looking into Infinity.

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They took my elk.
They.

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They took my own.
Margie was concerned as she

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noticed that her husband was
shivering.

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She took her jacket off and
attempted to drape her warmth

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around his shoulders.
Don't touch me.

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Marjorie stepped back and
shocked and began the tear up.

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Don, come here.
Don ran over and asked Margie

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what she needed.
Don, I need you to take his

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rifle from him.
Something is wrong and I don't

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want him to hurt himself or
someone else.

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Don approached the caution and
unclipped the shoulder harness

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and slipped the rifle out from
behind Carl and slid it out with

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caution.
Carl continued whispering.

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They took my elk, they took my
elk.

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The decision was soon made, due
to Carl's condition at the time,

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to take him to the hospital.
Don took Marjorie by the

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shoulders and walked her back to
his truck, helping her get in,

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and followed the small caravan
to the Carbon County Memorial

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Hospital and as they were
heading out of the park.

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The group of trucks ran into
Carl's big boss, Roy Fleming,

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who had made the trip from
Riverton about 3 hours away to

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provide any assistance he could
in the matter.

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Carl's friend Bud Rosaker was
the man driving the truck with

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Carl.
As he approached Roy's car on

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the side of the road, he slowed
down.

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Roy asked Bud if he wanted to
lay Carl down in the backseat of

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his car instead of sitting up in
Bud's truck.

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The men agreed to make the
transition, and as the door was

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beginning to open to assist Carl
over to the other car, Carl took

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off screaming.
The lights.

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Oh God, the lights.
He covered his eyes with his

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hands and continued to run
toward the ravine on the side of

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the road, all while screaming at
the top of his lungs.

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Marjorie made the connection
that the headlights of all the

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trucks may be upsetting him, and
she yelled for everyone to turn

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off their lights.
She made the right call.

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After all the headlights were
shut down, Carl lowered his

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hands and walked over to Roy's
car, slammed the back door shut,

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opened the passenger side door,
sat down and closed the door

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behind him.
With Carl now riding shotgun

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with Roy Fleming, the line of
cars and trucks began to ride to

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the hospital once again.
This is where Roy Fleming became

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the first person to ever hear
Carl's wild story about Oz 01

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and the trip across space to an
unknown planet to this day.

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Roy has only come forward with
confirmations of information

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that Carl has put out to others,
but Roy claims to know of

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further points of the story that
have never been talked about

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outside of the car ride.
When asked, Carl admits that he

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doesn't remember this ride or
what was said.

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When they walk into the
emergency room at the Carbon

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County Memorial Hospital, the
party begins to see that Carl

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isn't in the best shape.
His eyes are watering profusely

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and he is babying his shoulder,
and Carl keeps repeatedly asking

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for a pill of food.
The doctor on duty that night,

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who was assigned to Carl Higden,
was a newer Dr. in town by the

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name of Doctor Tonko.
In the medical records noted

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that night, there are many
mentions of the seemingly random

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and far out things that Carl was
talking about throughout the

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visit.
The 163,000 light mile journey,

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cone hands, yellow skin, alien
with a black suit, how

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everything disappeared as they
waved, and how everybody and

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everything floated in their
glass cube and on their planet

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to name a few.
A symptom notated in his records

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stated that he was showing
symptoms of an amnesiac state

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and that when asked what his
name was, the answer that was

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given was quote while they keep
calling me Carl, who is Carl.

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After a full and thorough
inspection of the injuries

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claimed by Carl, he was found
that he had no bruising and no

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fractured bones in or around his
shoulder.

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A toxicology report from a drug
test that was administered

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showed that there were no drugs
in the system, and even though

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he was giving a towel to keep
over his eyes, Carl never

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stopped complaining about the
lights.

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He never recognized his wife
that night of 17 years, and it

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was the doctor's recommendation
that he stayed for observation

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for a few days before Marjorie
had left for the night.

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She gave Carl a pencil and a
piece of paper and asked him to

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write or draw anything that he
could remember.

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Carl drew a crude picture of the
being and wrote the word ender

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and continued to draw a road
with a fork in it.

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Soon after, Marjorie had left
her husband and began once again

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on her housely chores.
Something fell out of one of the

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pockets from Carl's canteen
pouts as she was putting it

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away.
To her it just looked like a

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piece of damaged metal, so she
placed it on the Bureau and went

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to bed.
The days that followed in the

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morning, Marjorie decided to
head down to the Sheriff's

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Office to discuss the night
before.

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She grabbed the metal chunk
because she thought that there

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was an outside chance that it
may be evidence of some sorts.

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When she arrived at the
Sheriff's Office, the sheriff

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was not in yet, so she had a
chat with the deputy about the

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previous night.
Eventually the piece of metal

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was presented and the deputy was
shocked to say that it was a

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bullets copper jacket, but it
looked as if it were pulled

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inside out.
The deputy walked the jacket

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into another room where a few
people looked at it, and when he

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came back he notified Marjorie
that it was in fact a 7

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millimeter back jacket.
When Marjorie asked him how it

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could have ended up that way, he
replied, quote it was a strange

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night, just leave it alone.
Sort of shocked at the deputy's

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reply, she reluctantly showed
him the paper that Carl had

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drawn and written.
She asked the deputy if he was

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aware of anything to do with the
word Enders.

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He replied that there was
someone with the name Enders

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also in the forest that day at a
completely separate location,

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and again followed that up with
don't question it, just leave it

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alone.
Soon after the visit to the

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sheriff's station, Marjorie
headed back to the hospital with

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their daughter, Rose, to visit
Coral.

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He was doing much better than he
was last night and was cleared

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to head home by the staff on
duty.

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Shortly after the family got
home, the phone rang and Carl

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was surprised to hear the voice
of Sue Taylor, a reporter for

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the Daily Times newspaper, out
of Rollins.

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She was calling to request an
interview with a man who was

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rescued from the woods after a
lengthy search party was

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executed.
Carl was quick to correct her as

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he told her over the phone about
the crazy adventure that he had

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gone on with Ozo 1 to a plan
over 163,000 light miles away

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and back.
The next day his story was

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plastered all over the front
page of the Daily Times and the

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world was now being introduced
to the story of Carl Higdon and

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Ozo 1.
Carl attempted to get his life

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back on track, but it proved to
be harder than anyone could have

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thought.
Carl refused to drive anywhere

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and began walking to any place
he wanted to go.

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He started to seriously doubt
himself and often told Marjorie

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that he believed he was dreaming
the whole thing up.

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He had trouble staying asleep at
night and would awaken at

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various times.
He became scared.

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He stopped going to work and he
needed help.

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Soon after the article was
published in the paper, Carl was

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put in contact with a doctor,
Leo Sprinkle, A psychologist

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from the University of Wyoming
and Laramie, who was very

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interested in the UFO
experiences.

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Dr. Sprinkle offered to make the
trip to Rollins to save the

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Higden family from the long car
ride.

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The man was pleasant and very
polite.

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When he arrived at the Higden
household.

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The men sat at the dining room
table and Margie poured them

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both a cup of coffee.
Doctor Sprinkle wasted no time

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as he explained that he was
interested in studying Carl and

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his case in order to attempt to
try to put the pieces back

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together to build a clearer
story of what actually happened.

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He asked Carl if he had any
reservations about being

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hypnotized and if he wouldn't
mind being recorded as he was

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under hypnosis.
Carl agreed.

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He was extremely interested in
finding out what really happened

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because he was exhausted from
constantly second guessing

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himself.
The doctor pulled out the tape

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recorder and began capturing the
conversation between the two men

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as he explained the process of
hypnosis.

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Everything was going great at
first.

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Carl fell into hypnosis
successfully and began answering

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questions about the early
portions of the day.

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The story that was laid out was
exactly the same as the one I

453
00:25:22,330 --> 00:25:25,610
highlighted in the first portion
of this presentation, but when

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00:25:25,610 --> 00:25:28,530
they arrived at the bright
light, Carl's eyes begin to

455
00:25:28,530 --> 00:25:31,290
water and squint.
His eyes would remain like that

456
00:25:31,290 --> 00:25:33,330
for the rest of the first
hypnosis session.

457
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:36,710
Another hiccup in the story
occurred as Carl was explaining,

458
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:39,430
being floated back down to the
solid ground from the flying

459
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:41,710
glass cube and falling once he
slept on the rock.

460
00:25:42,030 --> 00:25:44,710
This made Carl physically cringe
and cry out in pain.

461
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:48,630
When Carl came out, the men
shared another cup of coffee and

462
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:50,710
Doctor Sprinkle left the Higden
house.

463
00:25:50,910 --> 00:25:53,790
But before we traveled back to
Laramie, Doctor Sprinkle stopped

464
00:25:53,790 --> 00:25:56,550
at the Sheriff's Office and the
hospital gather any other

465
00:25:56,550 --> 00:25:58,310
information that he could about
the case.

466
00:25:58,950 --> 00:26:01,870
During every stop he asked if
they were familiar with Carl

467
00:26:01,870 --> 00:26:05,300
before the event and those that
were told the doctor that he was

468
00:26:05,300 --> 00:26:08,580
a very honorable and honest man
and if the story had come from

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00:26:08,580 --> 00:26:11,540
anyone else, it would be a hell
of a lot harder to believe.

470
00:26:12,260 --> 00:26:15,980
On November 2nd, Doctor Sprinkle
reached back out to Carl and

471
00:26:15,980 --> 00:26:18,580
asked him for yet another
session, but this time he would

472
00:26:18,580 --> 00:26:22,260
be bringing a colleague along, a
Mr. Rick Kenyon, an art teacher

473
00:26:22,260 --> 00:26:25,340
from Rollins.
Carl happily agreed to another

474
00:26:25,340 --> 00:26:28,860
session and even told the doc
that he had begun remembering

475
00:26:28,860 --> 00:26:31,830
other details of the night.
During the second session of

476
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:34,990
hypnosis, Carl described the
other humans that were at Ozzo's

477
00:26:34,990 --> 00:26:37,790
home planet and how they seemed
to be at peace with where they

478
00:26:37,790 --> 00:26:39,790
were.
He described how they had

479
00:26:39,790 --> 00:26:43,270
monitored him with some sort of
device before telling him that

480
00:26:43,270 --> 00:26:45,550
he was not what they were
looking for and that they were

481
00:26:45,550 --> 00:26:47,790
going to bring him back to where
they had found him.

482
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:52,190
The artist, Rick Kenyon used
specific descriptions to make

483
00:26:52,190 --> 00:26:54,870
his interpretation of how Ozzo
one looked.

484
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:59,790
He was roughly 6 feet tall.
He had no chin, bowed legs, no

485
00:26:59,790 --> 00:27:04,590
ears, yellow jaundice like skin,
two arms with no hands, one of

486
00:27:04,590 --> 00:27:07,230
which ended with absolutely
nothing and one that ended with

487
00:27:07,230 --> 00:27:09,990
a cone like appendage.
He has dressed in an all black

488
00:27:09,990 --> 00:27:12,750
outfit that reminds him of what
a scuba diver would wear when

489
00:27:12,750 --> 00:27:15,190
the sketch was done.
Carl was very impressed with how

490
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:18,670
close the artist was able to get
to how Ozo actually looked.

491
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:20,590
Before the session was
completely done.

492
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:23,430
The men discussed having Carl
come to the University of

493
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:26,550
Wyoming and Laramie campus so
that Doctor Sprinkle could

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00:27:26,550 --> 00:27:28,910
administer a few tests that he
could not easily bring in his

495
00:27:28,910 --> 00:27:30,990
car.
Carl agreed and shortly after

496
00:27:30,990 --> 00:27:33,150
the session headed up to the
campus and underwent a few

497
00:27:33,150 --> 00:27:35,710
tests, one of which was focused
on his mental health.

498
00:27:36,190 --> 00:27:39,030
The results?
Carl Higden showed no signs of

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00:27:39,030 --> 00:27:42,070
having any mental illness.
This led to Doctor Sprinkle

500
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:45,550
diving even further into Carl
and his story, and resulted in

501
00:27:45,550 --> 00:27:48,070
many sessions that eventually
led to the story that we all

502
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:50,580
know today.
Around the same time frame,

503
00:27:50,580 --> 00:27:55,140
Doctor J Allen Heinek of Apro,
the Aerial Phenomenon research

504
00:27:55,140 --> 00:27:58,380
organization, attempted to
debunk Carl's story, but

505
00:27:58,380 --> 00:28:01,380
according to Carl wives,
Marjorie Heinek only succeeded

506
00:28:01,380 --> 00:28:02,900
in giving the story more
validity.

507
00:28:04,460 --> 00:28:07,220
The drive.
One late afternoon, Carl was

508
00:28:07,220 --> 00:28:09,620
lounging in the living room and
Marjorie was doing the dishes

509
00:28:09,620 --> 00:28:12,860
when Carl yelled out to her
asking why you want to go for a

510
00:28:12,860 --> 00:28:14,860
ride.
Marjorie dropped what she was

511
00:28:14,860 --> 00:28:17,460
doing and threw on her jacket
and was more than happy to get

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00:28:17,460 --> 00:28:20,340
out of the house since it seemed
to be a rare event since the

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00:28:20,340 --> 00:28:22,620
incident.
Their son Mike was home at the

514
00:28:22,620 --> 00:28:25,420
time and Marjorie asked if he
would like to go as well.

515
00:28:25,660 --> 00:28:28,140
Mike agreed, and the three of
them jumped in the truck and

516
00:28:28,140 --> 00:28:32,140
Carl began driving South.
Marjorie is unsure where it was

517
00:28:32,140 --> 00:28:35,300
exactly where Carl was heading
to at this point, but after

518
00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:38,780
heading South for quite a while,
Carl began going West on an old

519
00:28:38,780 --> 00:28:41,620
dirt Rd.
Eventually they drove up a hill

520
00:28:41,620 --> 00:28:44,220
and Carl shot off the engine
right before the three of them

521
00:28:44,220 --> 00:28:47,980
in a large green light shaped
like a cone hung in the sky, and

522
00:28:47,980 --> 00:28:51,420
the area was filled with a
horrid stench of sulfur, once

523
00:28:51,420 --> 00:28:53,660
again seeming out of it.
Carl said.

524
00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:56,580
I'm late.
I was supposed to be here a few

525
00:28:56,580 --> 00:28:59,430
minutes earlier.
Carl grew angry and slammed his

526
00:28:59,430 --> 00:29:01,630
fists on top of the steering
wheel and yelled out.

527
00:29:01,830 --> 00:29:03,950
I must be crazy.
Why am I here?

528
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:07,390
If we had just been here on
time, that would have happened

529
00:29:07,390 --> 00:29:10,630
to us.
Marjorie never learned what it

530
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:14,230
was that could have happened if
they were on time, and Carl

531
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:16,470
never elaborated on his
comments.

532
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:19,350
But several nights later,
another incident occurred.

533
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:22,390
Carl was sleeping in their bed
next to Marjorie when he began

534
00:29:22,390 --> 00:29:25,270
speaking to her.
Put your hand on me, said Carl.

535
00:29:26,110 --> 00:29:29,670
I know it's weird.
I'm in bed with you, yet I am

536
00:29:29,670 --> 00:29:32,270
South of town.
They are telling me look at the

537
00:29:32,270 --> 00:29:35,550
black box.
They are taking wild game.

538
00:29:36,270 --> 00:29:39,030
It is like they want me to know
that they can contact me at any

539
00:29:39,030 --> 00:29:40,790
time.
What is wrong with me?

540
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:44,350
When the episode passed, Carl
sprung on the bed and phoned Dr.

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00:29:44,350 --> 00:29:47,470
Sprinkle right then in the
middle of the night, Carl and

542
00:29:47,470 --> 00:29:50,790
Doctor Sprinkle would conduct
many hypnotic sessions with

543
00:29:50,790 --> 00:29:52,510
similar events throughout the
years.

544
00:29:52,510 --> 00:29:55,110
And every time the pain in the
shoulder would come back

545
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:58,250
stronger than the last.
One of such events was the

546
00:29:58,250 --> 00:30:01,210
constant following the lights in
the distance Whenever Carl would

547
00:30:01,210 --> 00:30:04,890
travel, it didn't matter how far
it was, they would be there when

548
00:30:04,890 --> 00:30:08,730
he went to the grocery store,
when he went to work everywhere.

549
00:30:09,290 --> 00:30:12,210
A few of his workers even came
forward a few times and claimed

550
00:30:12,210 --> 00:30:14,450
to have seen the lights on many
occasions.

551
00:30:14,860 --> 00:30:17,500
Some people in town became aware
of it as well.

552
00:30:17,660 --> 00:30:20,420
The science teacher at the local
high school requested permission

553
00:30:20,420 --> 00:30:23,180
to take his class out to the
Higden house to meet the guy who

554
00:30:23,180 --> 00:30:26,260
is being chased by a strange
phenomenon that nobody seemed to

555
00:30:26,260 --> 00:30:29,780
be able to understand.
Soon Carl was receiving calls

556
00:30:29,780 --> 00:30:34,380
from all around the world from
places such as the jacket and

557
00:30:34,380 --> 00:30:36,460
the lid.
One mystery that seemed to

558
00:30:36,460 --> 00:30:40,380
always bother Carl was the
mangled bullet jacket from when

559
00:30:40,380 --> 00:30:43,620
he fired his rifle at the elk on
that fateful day.

560
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:46,660
Eventually Carl was able to get
a rather large party of friends

561
00:30:46,660 --> 00:30:49,380
and family to head down to
location that he claimed to have

562
00:30:49,380 --> 00:30:53,020
met also one, and this time he
would bring a metal detector to

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00:30:53,020 --> 00:30:55,740
try to track them, the lead that
should have come out of the

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00:30:55,740 --> 00:30:59,420
jacket when he fired the bullet.
Many things were found by the

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00:30:59,420 --> 00:31:03,470
parties, such as burnt leaves
and limbs of trees and what

566
00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:06,390
seemed to be carvings on many of
the trunks, but they seemed to

567
00:31:06,390 --> 00:31:10,230
be older than the event in
question and nobody had any idea

568
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:12,390
what the carvings were trying to
portray.

569
00:31:12,670 --> 00:31:16,270
But one thing that was never
found during the expedition was

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00:31:16,270 --> 00:31:18,990
the lead.
Now, beyond the bullet, there

571
00:31:18,990 --> 00:31:21,230
are many aspects of the story
that are eye opening.

572
00:31:21,790 --> 00:31:24,550
The location where the truck was
eventually found in the forest

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00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:27,670
is now famously known as the
Muckhole due to the way the

574
00:31:27,670 --> 00:31:31,230
truck was sunk into the ground.
This place does exist.

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00:31:31,690 --> 00:31:34,570
For a pickup truck to get all
the way out to where they found

576
00:31:34,570 --> 00:31:37,890
Carl would have been impossible
due to the brush and trees that

577
00:31:37,890 --> 00:31:41,610
were growing in the area.
And with that, there really was

578
00:31:41,610 --> 00:31:43,650
a search that took place looking
for Carl.

579
00:31:43,930 --> 00:31:46,570
The records from the sheriff's
station and the reports in local

580
00:31:46,570 --> 00:31:50,250
newspapers documented all very
well, and the people who

581
00:31:50,250 --> 00:31:53,450
discovered Carl's truck
unanimously claimed that there

582
00:31:53,450 --> 00:31:56,890
was absolutely no way for his
twowheel drive truck to get out

583
00:31:56,890 --> 00:32:00,040
to where it was.
They claimed it was impossible

584
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,320
and that it wouldn't have made
it more than 200 yards into the

585
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,320
forest from the closest Access
Rd.

586
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,560
Another unanimous detail, not
only between the searchers but

587
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,080
also by Marjory, Don, and
Maryland while they were waiting

588
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,960
in Don's truck, is that there
were a lot of strange lights in

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00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,560
the sky that night.
Marjorie even explains that one

590
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:22,440
point at just about 1:00 AM, she
was able to see so well that

591
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,600
quote she could have picked a
dime off the road due to what

592
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,440
she could only describe as a
light almost as bright and big

593
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,040
as the sun was illuminating the
area.

594
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,560
Carl really did go to the
hospital that night, and records

595
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,920
from the hospital proved not
only that he was there, but he

596
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,720
was also showing signs of an
amnesic state while he was in

597
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,470
the building.
One of the most commonly

598
00:32:45,470 --> 00:32:48,910
disbelieved details of the story
is the lights that were said to

599
00:32:48,910 --> 00:32:51,110
have followed Carl after the
event.

600
00:32:51,550 --> 00:32:54,750
This is also documented in
newspapers and other documents

601
00:32:54,790 --> 00:32:57,470
in Rawlins, WY.
Unfortunately, I could not find

602
00:32:57,470 --> 00:33:00,790
any photos, nor could I find any
evidence that any exist.

603
00:33:01,190 --> 00:33:04,070
Many doctors have records of
their own evaluations of Carl,

604
00:33:04,110 --> 00:33:07,190
so apparently approved his
quote, UN quote deception and

605
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:10,270
most agreed that the man did in
fact go through something

606
00:33:10,270 --> 00:33:13,830
extremely traumatizing.
Many different TV shows,

607
00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:16,710
magazines, newspapers, news
channels and podcasts have

608
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:19,670
covered this story.
And before his death from COVID

609
00:33:19,710 --> 00:33:24,110
in January 26th of 2022, he
appeared in many of these

610
00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:26,670
coverages of his story as a
willing participant for

611
00:33:26,670 --> 00:33:29,910
documented interviews.
Finding a platform to see him

612
00:33:29,910 --> 00:33:33,630
tell his story with your own
eyes and ears is not a difficult

613
00:33:33,630 --> 00:33:35,950
task.
One of the most famous coverages

614
00:33:35,950 --> 00:33:39,310
of the Carl Higden story was on
the incredibly famous show

615
00:33:39,310 --> 00:33:43,150
Amongst Fordians In Search of
The television show covered

616
00:33:43,150 --> 00:33:46,310
Carl's abduction in their season
three season premiere.

617
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:50,030
The most recent and popular
coverage of this fantastic story

618
00:33:50,030 --> 00:33:55,190
is by David Polites in his 2022
release of Missing 411, The UFO

619
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:57,310
Connection.
We've talked about the Missing

620
00:33:57,310 --> 00:34:00,230
401 pretty often in the early
days of this podcast, and the

621
00:34:00,230 --> 00:34:02,750
story has been looked at as a
possible answer to some of the

622
00:34:02,750 --> 00:34:05,390
cases involving the Missing 401
phenomenon.

623
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:09,230
Could Carl Higdon have nearly
missed being another tally on

624
00:34:09,230 --> 00:34:11,590
the list of missing people in
the National Park system

625
00:34:11,590 --> 00:34:14,350
throughout the US?
The source that I used for my

626
00:34:14,350 --> 00:34:17,830
research for this episode was a
book by the title of Alien

627
00:34:17,830 --> 00:34:21,630
Abduction of the Wyoming Hunter
by none other than Carl's wife,

628
00:34:21,630 --> 00:34:24,710
Marjorie Higdon.
To be completely honest, this

629
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:27,550
was a very difficult read as
Marjorie was not a writing

630
00:34:27,550 --> 00:34:31,389
major, but the story got across
and the pieces fell into place.

631
00:34:31,860 --> 00:34:35,580
Personally, I think This is why
you get so many interpretations

632
00:34:35,580 --> 00:34:38,020
of the story.
Yes, this again is one of those

633
00:34:38,020 --> 00:34:41,300
stories where you can go to many
different sources for

634
00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:44,820
information and get varying
differences of details from each

635
00:34:44,820 --> 00:34:46,940
source.
I specifically chose to only

636
00:34:46,940 --> 00:34:50,179
report what happened in this
amazing event from the text of

637
00:34:50,179 --> 00:34:53,100
Marjorie's book because I'm a
huge fan of using the sources

638
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:55,500
that fall closest to the
original source as possible.

639
00:34:55,820 --> 00:34:58,960
While we are on the topic of
this book, I think it is also

640
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,120
important to mention a few of
the other claims that some

641
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,440
either don't have incredible
evidence for or seem so

642
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,200
farfetched that it is extremely
difficult to believe to be true.

643
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,160
One such piece of information is
that Carl had tuberculosis as a

644
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,000
child and his lungs were scarred
horribly by the infection, but

645
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,240
after the abduction, his lungs
were perfect with no sign of the

646
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:22,720
TB ever rampaging through his
body.

647
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,320
Same goes for kidney stones that
seemingly disappeared after the

648
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,330
event.
Now medical records do show that

649
00:35:29,330 --> 00:35:34,050
Carl did have tuberculosis and
was actively suffering from

650
00:35:34,090 --> 00:35:39,050
kidney stones, and days did seem
to go away and that that is

651
00:35:39,050 --> 00:35:44,370
definitely a mystery from this
story, The Invisible Wall.

652
00:35:44,970 --> 00:35:48,570
Now before we end this episode I
think it is important to apply

653
00:35:48,570 --> 00:35:52,210
some physics to one particular
event to help clear up what may

654
00:35:52,210 --> 00:35:54,970
have happened.
To help lend some believability

655
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,040
I want to explain how the 7
millimeter bullet could have

656
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,640
acted in the way it did under
the influence of a strong

657
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,520
magnetic field.
Now the bullet leaving the rifle

658
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,120
slowed down at a pace that it
seemed like it was going through

659
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,360
an invincible wall of jello
before falling down to the

660
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,920
ground and the rifle had what
Carl perceived AS0 recoil.

661
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,680
What I want to explain is how a
non magnetic metal that passes

662
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,920
through a magnetic field will
have its forward projection

663
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,400
decreased greatly, The non
magnetic metal of course being

664
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,840
the bullet.
Now magnetic fields have what

665
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,080
are referred to as flux lines
that come off of 1 pole of the

666
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,800
magnet and connect back into the
other pole of the magnet and

667
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,440
create what looks like rings
around the magnet on all sides.

668
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,600
This is accompanied by what are
called Eddy currents that flow

669
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,560
perpendicular to the flux lines
and create a field of invincible

670
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,200
resistance to nonmetallic metals
flowing through the space.

671
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,360
Google An image in the picture
I'm trying to paint will be very

672
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,600
obvious.
Basically, when the bullet shot

673
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,720
out of the rifle, it seemed that
it was hit into an Eddy current

674
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:07,640
field and a resisting force was
pushing against the bullets

675
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,920
projected path.
This would also hold true of the

676
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,800
rifle and its recoil by the way.
But where would the magnetic

677
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,440
field have come from you ask?
Well if you look into UFO and

678
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,560
abduction reports, one thing
that constantly pops up are

679
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,960
strange phenomena that can only
be caused by magnetic fields.

680
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,320
This cube that Ozo was
transporting Carl in was

681
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,200
supposedly right behind where
they were standing.

682
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,800
This cube could have very well
used a form of magnetic

683
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,160
manipulation to perform flight,
all of which would have made

684
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,640
this particular event within the
story very believable.

685
00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:46,160
The Carl Higden abduction event
is one that may seem very

686
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,200
unbelievable on the surface, but
I can't seem to let go of the

687
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,840
possibility of this man actually
experiencing something truly out

688
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,840
of this world.
The book that was written by

689
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,130
Marjorie Higden was a tough read
and it seemed like she may have

690
00:37:58,130 --> 00:38:00,010
tripped over her own facts a few
times.

691
00:38:00,010 --> 00:38:02,730
Some of the claims that she put
forward were very tough to

692
00:38:02,730 --> 00:38:05,730
consider as real, but a few
things to remember is that she

693
00:38:05,730 --> 00:38:08,050
was not the main protagonist in
the story.

694
00:38:08,250 --> 00:38:10,690
She did not go through the
experience that Carl claims to

695
00:38:10,690 --> 00:38:14,890
have and therefore the only
thing she can report on is what

696
00:38:14,890 --> 00:38:16,530
she saw from the outside looking
in.

697
00:38:17,050 --> 00:38:20,610
What I can say is that through
my research I saw many

698
00:38:20,610 --> 00:38:23,770
interviews that she was a part
of in some way or fashion.

699
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,880
And what I saw was a woman who
cared deeply for her husband and

700
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,080
father of her four children.
This family went through a lot

701
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,880
of turmoil when it came to the
disbelievers and she did her

702
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,480
best to relieve her husband of
what she felt like she could.

703
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,320
But by doing so, I do believe
that there were aspects of her

704
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,200
side of the story that may have
been stretched in some way,

705
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,160
therefore making it more
difficult for them.

706
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,160
But does that mean that I don't
think that this event took

707
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,480
place?
No, not at all.

708
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,400
I honestly think that Carl did
go through something.

709
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,640
Was it an alien reduction?
I don't know.

710
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,000
Maybe.
But I can say that he for sure

711
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,520
shows signs of being absolutely
sincere and forthcoming about

712
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,640
details that people wanted
answers to.

713
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,080
There's a ton of evidence that
back up his claims from the time

714
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,760
after the abduction took place,
and by all means the man was in

715
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,400
rough shape.
With all that being said, there

716
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,360
is one other thing that I'd like
to point out.

717
00:39:22,970 --> 00:39:26,010
As you dive deeper into many
other abduction stories in later

718
00:39:26,010 --> 00:39:29,010
episodes, you'll notice
similarities between the story

719
00:39:29,010 --> 00:39:31,330
and others.
Although many of them are

720
00:39:31,330 --> 00:39:35,010
slight, the similarities are
there, and these cases span from

721
00:39:35,010 --> 00:39:37,610
before and after Carl's
experience.

722
00:39:38,050 --> 00:39:41,850
One particular case that we've
already covered is the story of

723
00:39:41,850 --> 00:39:46,350
Injured Cold, in which he was
also described as having a

724
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:50,190
yellowish kind of skin,
something reminding Woody

725
00:39:50,190 --> 00:39:53,030
Darrenberger of an Oriental
skin.

726
00:39:53,710 --> 00:39:56,890
So that's it everyone.
That is the story of the Wyoming

727
00:39:56,890 --> 00:40:00,210
hunter named Carl Higdon, who
went missing for hours before

728
00:40:00,210 --> 00:40:03,770
showing up alone in his truck in
the middle of the night in an

729
00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:07,050
area of a National Park that was
completely inaccessible to his

730
00:40:07,050 --> 00:40:09,050
vehicle.
And until next time travelers,

731
00:40:09,170 --> 00:40:12,170
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00:40:14,650 --> 00:40:20,370
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