192. Nov. '24 Congressional UAP Hearing Part 1

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Welcome back to The Infinite
Rabbit Hole.

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I'm your host, Jeremy, and today
we're going to dive into some

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news, some current events, some
big, big current events.

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Today, November 13th, 2024,
there was a congressional

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hearing, an oversight for the
Committee on Oversight and

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Accountability for UA PS in the
government and the research into

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such.
What we're going to do today,

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we're coming to you live to do
the first half.

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We're going to stream the first
half of this congressional

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hearing.
You'll hear us talk about it.

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We'll take comments from the
chat.

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We'll have basically an open
forum episode.

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Thoughts and feelings we put out
there as we're listening to this

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historical congressional
hearing.

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There's a lot of stuff that gets
put out today, and before we

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press play and we introduce
everybody, I just want to let

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everybody know that's listening
on Spotify a week later that you

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could have been watching this
live with us if you followed us

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We typically will only go live

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Sunday nights at 8:00 PM Central
Time, but in the case of some

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big news dropping, we will go
live to talk about it the night

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that it happens, hence why we're
here.

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We will be back here tomorrow
night for those that are in the

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chat right now, on November the
14th to finish up Part 2 or

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we'll cover the second-half of
this congressional hearing.

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So basically the gist is, is
that this Immaculate consolation

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program within the government is
being funded by taxpayer dollars

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and it does not have any
congressional oversight, nor

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does it have it has no
restrictions whatsoever.

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They don't have to report to
anybody, no, nothing.

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And this kind of got blown wide
open.

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We've been hearing the term
Immaculate constellation be

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passed around within the UFO
research community for a couple

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weeks now.
We knew that November 13th was

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going to be a big day, but now
that you hear this title being

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forced out of the lips of our
congressional heroes on Capitol

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Hill?
That's a joke, by the way.

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Isn't that funny though cuz it's
like a play on the Immaculate

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Conception.
Yeah.

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Totally anti God type stuff.
Yeah, it's pretty much.

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Magic blue beam type stuff.
Weird.

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That's, that's, that's Jeff's
point on this too.

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But without further ado, guys,
are you guys good without doing

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intros today and just jumping
right in or you guys want guy

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anything to say to everybody?
Not really bro, I'm here.

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What's up?
I was sick all day calling from

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work and I'm here and eating
queso.

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So there you go.
That boy, that boy.

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All right, let's go ahead and
start her up there.

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Jeffrey.
Enjoy everybody.

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Here it goes.
Let me know if you guys can't

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hear this too by the way.
I can't hear it.

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I also can't hear it, can't hear
it.

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You're not hear it though bro.
No.

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Can't hear it?
Can you try?

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Are you messing with me or can
you not?

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Hear it?
No, I cannot hear it.

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Can you?
I.

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Can't hear it either.
Is it playing through your

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speakers?
Hold on bro.

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You out wearing headphones?
Hold on bro.

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I'm going to have to edit this
out.

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Share a tab or screen instead.
Oh check your trash.

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Wait hold on, sorry guys give me
a second.

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I didn't realize that Riverside
was so strict with their audio

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sharing.
Yeah, well.

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I got to put it on a tab on this
particular browser.

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You should have known.
I should know, and that's my.

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That's really wrong with you,
yeah.

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Sure, you're garbage, dude.
Oh, there's ads.

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Ah ah, you want to.
Use my login because I don't

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have ads.
No, I just we're good with the

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ads.
Now the ads are done.

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OK, well, there's going to be
random ads throughout throughout

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it too.
It's too much work brother,

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We'll just.
Geez, where's the sound guy?

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That's you, Skeeter.
Yes, Skeeter, if only you were

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doing your job.
Shin and the Subcommittee on

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National Security, the Border
and Foreign Affairs on the

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order.
Good morning and welcome

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everyone.
Without objection the.

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Chairman So that's the lady who
said come at me, bro.

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And I recognize myself.
For the.

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Purpose of making an opening
statement right now.

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Good morning and welcome to
today's historic hearing which

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I'm Co chairing with Mr.
Grossman who subcommittee held

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an important hearing on this
topic last year.

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I want to thank my colleagues on
the oversight.

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You guys in the chat like hear
us over this Mr. Burleson Good

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or is going?
To Mr. Moscow.

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Well, like the whole thing,
historic hearing, no one going

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to write in history book that
there was a hearing and they

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didn't answer any questions.
They've been steadfast and

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demanding transparency on the
sightings reported by military

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pilots and armed forces.
Their commitment to digging for

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the truth is exactly what this
country needs to cut through the

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secrecy surrounding this issue
and many high-ranking

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individuals in the military.
Intelligence candidates.

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Believe Uaps demand greater
attention and that's the purpose

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for this hearing today, former
National Security Advisor HR

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McMaster said on Bill Maher's
program.

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That quote, there are phenomena
that have been witnessed by

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multiple people that are just
inexplicable by the science

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available to us.
Army Colonel Carnell, a member

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of the federal government UAP
task force, said at a conference

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that non human intelligence
exists.

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Non human intelligence has been
interacting with humanity.

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This interaction is not new and
it's been ongoing.

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And they're unelected people in
the government that are aware of

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that.
But UA PS remain a controversial

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topic.
I'm not going to name names, but

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there are certain individuals
who didn't want this hearing to

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happen because they feared what
might be disclosed.

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But we stood firm.
No amount of outside pressure

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would ever keep me from pursuing
a subject to ground come hell or

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high water.
On that score, I want to thank

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our witnesses for being here.
We have before us a panel of

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individuals accomplished in the
military, in civilian

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government, in science, and in
journalism.

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Some of the testimony you will
hear them deliver today does not

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reflect well on influential
individuals and agencies within

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the US federal government and
perhaps some of our contractors.

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It's never easy to present such
information publicly, so I

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appreciate your our witnesses
voluntarily agreeing to being

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here today.
This hearing is attending to

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help Congress and the American
people to learn the extent of

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the programs and activities our
government has engaged in with.

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Respect to a.
Peace and what knowledge it has

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yielded.
This includes of course, any

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knowledge of extra terrestrial
life or technology of non human

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origin.
If government funded research on

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UA PS has not yielded any useful
knowledge, we also need to know

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those facts.
Taxpayers.

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Deserve to know.
How much has been invested?

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How much has?
Been blown out.

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They shouldn't be kept in the
dark to spare the Pentagon a

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little bit of embarrassment.
The reality is, despite their

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enormous taxpayer funded
budgets, the transparency of the

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Defense Department and the
intelligence community have long

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been abysmal.
The Pentagon has failed 6

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consecutive audits.
And I think the problem.

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Is I.
Think the problem.

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Is adding to.
That if they try to buy a pop

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filter, someone will try to sell
it to them for like $10,000

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apiece classified.
Materials when approachable.

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And I'll send them my senator.
Refusal.

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To share critical and not a.
Problem for them, they need to

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spend that budget.
Surplus.

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It's not a track record the
problem.

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Is that there's nobody selling
them for 10 grand.

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So Congress has tried and.
Reached.

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You're really quiet.
And find out if information

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about new APS is being withheld
not only from the American

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public, but also from their
elected representatives in

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Congress.
Is it bad?

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Can you hear me now?
Was legislation.

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Created for the.
Pentagon, the All Domain Anomaly

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Resolution Office, or ARROW.
But the new office is struggling

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to get its footing.
A recent.

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Statute.
Required from Arrow, intended to

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illuminate the government's
historic assessment of Uaps, was

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heavily criticized by those
seeking UAP transparency.

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The report has stoked suspicions
Arrow is unable, or perhaps

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unwilling, to bring forward the
truth about the government's

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activities concerning Uaps.
I'm disturbed that Arrow itself

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lacks transparency.
Even its budget is kept from the

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public.
So if there is no there there,

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then why are we spending money
on it and by how much?

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Why are we spending money on it?
It's really.

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No big deal.
And there's nothing there.

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Why hide it from the American
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Because I'm not a mathematician.
But I'm mistaken.

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I'm mistaken.
You shut up.

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Share their views on that Arrow
report.

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We will also hear from the
witnesses today allegations of

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UAP related misinformation and
disinformation by government

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officials of which they are
personally aware and directly

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experienced.
And we will hear testimony today

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concerning recent revelations
about a purportedly secret

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program whose existence and
findings may have been

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improperly with.
Danny says the dude next to her

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is liquoring up with a body in
the water and.

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One thing I want to of my.
Closing.

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Statement is there is a
document.

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Eat red man He.
That dude is so drunk right now.

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Rational Record Today, Mr.
Timberchat from Tennessee has

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this document and we just
distribute it to every member.

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From.
The dais of.

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This.
Document, but this is going to

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be.
You want to pause the original

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document from.
Pentagon about.

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I got it.
Yeah, and is my mic still really

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quiet?
Yeah.

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No, you're good.
It's good.

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It's super quiet you guys.
OK, so this is Nancy Mace from

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you guys.
Don't know what the fuck's going

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on.
Macehouse.gov The Immaculate

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Constellation Document
Introduction This document is a

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result of a multi year internal
investigation on the subject of

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unidentified anomalous
phenomenon UAP technologies of

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unknown origin, TUO and non
human intelligence NHI.

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This investigation was
undertaken in response to urgent

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and credible threats to the
public good and safety of the

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United States of America and
provided to Congress through the

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UAP whistleblower mechanisms
established in the year in the

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by Fiscal Year 23 National
Defense Authorization Act and

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Fiscal Year 23 National
Intelligence Authorization Act.

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The data consulted during this
investigation, summarized in

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this report, originated from non
public data held within the

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Executive Branch of the United
States government, USG.

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The author obtained access to
this information while pursuing

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their lawful duties as an
employee of the Department of

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Defense.
This public version of the

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author's report was reviewed and
approved for public release by

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the Department of State, Bureau
of Global Public Affairs.

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The results of this
investigation are deeply

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disturbing.
Elements of the of the US

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Executive Branch have not
conspired to prevent the US

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Legislative Branch from
exercising its lawful powers of

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governance with response to with
respect to the UAPTUO and NHI

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issues.
Excuse me.

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The information provided by the
author strongly suggests that

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the US Executive Branch has been
managing the UAPNHI issues

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without Congressional knowledge,
oversight, or authority for some

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time, quite possibly decades.
This criminal conspiracy keeps

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the elected government of the
United States and its citizens

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ignorant to profound discoveries
and dire threats originating

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from the existence of UAPNHI or
other technologies.

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Unambiguous evidence
demonstrating the reality of

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UAPNHI and 22 UO has been made
available to Congress by

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multiple independent USAUAP risk
whistle blowers.

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This document is but one item of
evidence brought to Congress.

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Much more exists and hopefully
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public version of the report.
Information is organized into 7

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categories of evidence,
including an unacknowledged

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excuse me, including an
unacknowledged special access

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program USAP, Imaginary
Intelligence, IMINT human

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intelligence, HUMINT, signals
intelligence, SIGINT let's say

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like that usg bureaucratic
records, USG historical records

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and other sensitive sources.
All information this report is

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derived from access to non
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Acknowledged unacknowledged
special access program.

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Immaculate Consolation.
Immaculate Constellation is

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unacknowledged.
Unacknowledged special access

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program.
USAP established following the

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public disclosure of the AIAAT
IP/AA WSAP program by Louise

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Elizondo in 2017.
Upon disclosure to Congress, it

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was determined that the USAP and
its collateral information had

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not lawfully reported to
Congress.

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Immaculate Constellation's
primary mission is to is

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collecting imaginary
intelligence on Unidentified

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Aerial Phenomenon UAP and ARV
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reproduction vehicles utilizing
tasked and untasked U.S.

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military intelligence resources
as part of a network of SA PS

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linked to Non Human
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technologies.
Immaculate Constellation acts as

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a Nexus for collecting,
analyzing and disseminating

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intelligence on the activities,
capabilities and locations of

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anonymous anonymous aerospace
threats that originate from

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foreign unidentified sources.
Woo.

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Yeah, jeez, where did you get
to?

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Huh.
Where'd you go?

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Oh, you read the whole first
page?

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Yeah.
Oh, you started into Section 1

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there homie.
But you, you, you also said

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imaginary intelligence.
It was imagery, intelligence.

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That's what I said.
Yeah, you're right.

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You mess up all the time.
You shut your mouth.

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Yeah, yeah.
Shut your SO.

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Basically, basically there's a
program that none of us until

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now knew about, including
Congress.

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There's no oversight and like
you said earlier, from what I

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understand they just have like
unlimited what?

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Unlimited budget?
Just whatever the fuck they

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want.
Yeah, apparently because in this

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in this thing, one of the guys
that used to was a former

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employee of NASA was talking
about, oh, we need more of a

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budget so we could study this
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And then the congressional
individual he's talking to was

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just like, Oh yeah, I completely
agree in increasing the budget

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of NASA.
And it's just like, it's just a

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power grab.
It feels like the whole thing's

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a power grab.
But anyway.

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I've been saying I've been
preaching this every episode of

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both shows for multiple years
now, so you know.

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Color music recognization.
So here's the thing, right?

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They, I, I've read a couple
posts on a couple different

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social media platforms today and
you know, you had a lot of

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people saying that this is all a
cover for them.

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Just use your taxpayers for
whatever they want.

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Mostly, you know, the war
machine or, or any other various

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whatever, right?
Here's the thing, man, I don't

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think that's true.
I think that they're this

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Immaculate constellation is
specifically for UA PSUFOS or

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whatever you want to call them
because of a few things.

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One, if they wanted to steal
your money, why would they try

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to keep it as hidden and as
secret as possible and still do

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it under the guise of looking
for UFOs?

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You would think it would be into
something, you know, something

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much more believable.
Agriculture or or fuck anything,

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anything not GMO foods or
whatever.

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I mean, if, if, if they wanted
to keep you in in the dark about

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something, wouldn't they put
some sort of cover on there that

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would make it look innocent?
And if they were trying to use

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your money for something else,
why would they hide it under

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UFOs?
Doesn't make sense to me.

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I feel like this is something
where we legitimately caught the

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government with their hands
behind their backs and, and

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they're they're in the corner
right now.

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See, I disagree actually.
Explain.

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Well, if if it's really do we
know how much money has been

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funneled through this program?
No, but I'm sure we're going to

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find out soon.
So to me it would be a good

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cover, right #1 nobody's going
to look for like some UAPUFO

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program.
First of all, let's just take a

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step back.
We didn't even know the term UAP

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until a couple of years ago,
Right, Right.

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Yeah.
So, and how long has this

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program been in existence?
Good question.

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I don't know.
So, and this program could be a

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an evolution or an offshoot of
another program from before

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that, right?
And I'm.

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Sure, this is, you know, the the
original Project Grudge and it's

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7th adaption.
Sure.

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So the point I'm trying to make
here is they got away with

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funneling whatever unknown
amounts of money into these

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programs for however many
decades it's been.

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I'm assuming it's multiple
decades, right?

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So to me, it was a great cover.
Perfect.

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Worked like a charm up until two
years ago or whatever it was

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when all this stuff started
coming out and they started

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releasing the terms UA.
PS: And the first hearings that

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happened, I think there was
enough information that got out,

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were enough like FOIA requests
were able to be put in and

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things like this and people were
starting.

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Now we're we're starting to see
this cascading of the

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information.
I don't know man, I don't know

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they they literally could hide
it under anything I.

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I think they do.
I think they this probably isn't

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the only one.
There's probably, you know, if I

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had to guess, there's probably
a, an unknown number of programs

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that have an unknown budget,
right.

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So it's just like that many.
That's the standard, right?

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Is that you take something
secret and you hide it

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underneath something innocent,
right?

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Like a breakaway civilization
and you hide it behind UFO and

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UAP investigations.
But you wouldn't hide it behind

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UFO and UAP investigations.
You would hide it under

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something like Amazonian forest
rehabilitation or something

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stupid like that.
Maybe they do that also See my.

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But they wouldn't hide it behind
UFOs man.

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That's what I'm trying to say is
UFOs is one of those topics

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where you would try to hide it.
This I I feel like this is

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something that was hidden behind
something else.

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I am good.
I just don't understand the the

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whole point to this is like why
wouldn't there be a set number?

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There's like a set number on
almost every other department

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and every other program that's
happening.

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So why would?
Because it doesn't have to.

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Report because it doesn't have
to report.

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Because it's under the guise of
national security.

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Yeah.
Which just like, just like the

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vice presidential nominee said
in regards to, oh, no, no, it

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was the the guy Tom, what's his
name?

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That's the going to be the new
borders are.

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And they said it would take $88
million a year to deport all the

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illegal immigrants and blah,
blah, all this sort of stuff.

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And he said, he said, well, I
don't know how much it would

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cost, but what's the price you'd
put on national security?

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It's the same thing.
National security.

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Unlimited budget.
I don't know, man.

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I don't know.
I don't, I, I don't think I, I

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don't know.
I'm not, I'm not saying that

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there's, there's nothing going
on in the shadows here, right?

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Obviously the Immaculate
consolation probably isn't

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exactly what this document says
it is, and we're probably never

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going to get the entire truth
behind it.

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But the fact of the matter is,
is that there's a lot of money

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going into something.
So if it's not UFOs, what could

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it be?
Pockets.

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Pockets.
They don't even let us use our

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pockets in the military.
Oh wait, they do now.

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They do now that we're out.
OK, so maybe let me let me when

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I say like the war machine,
right or something like this,

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right?
Like that doesn't necessarily

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mean like going to fund these,
like directly, right?

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That could literally be putting
money in the pockets of people

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who pull strings for the war
machine, right?

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It doesn't have to literally,
you know what I mean?

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So like these types of programs,
and I could be wrong here.

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I'm not even dead set on this
particular program.

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My whole thought is if you have
any program with any, with no

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oversight and with no budget
limit, right, this is the prime

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place for parasites to exist, is
within these programs and those

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parasites will put money in
there and other people.

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Talk.
What kind of what kind of money

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are they trying to earn off
UFOs?

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I mean, if you, if you tell, if
you tell the government that

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you're going to go save some,
some rare tree frog in the

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Amazon, the money's going to be
there, right?

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And nobody's going to question
that shit.

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I mean, yeah, you might have a
you might have a budget.

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OK, so maybe it's the it's in
defense of our American soldiers

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in the Amazon from this
dangerous rare tree frog, right?

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I mean, you just have to you
have to play your words a little

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bit.
Why UFOs?

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Why would that be the topic that
covers their asses?

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It doesn't make sense to me.
There's so many other things

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that you can you can use to
cover your ass and keep people

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out of your shit.
And it's just I I I.

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Think the I think the difference
here is we just have to like

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you're thinking like they create
this program for that reason.

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No, no, no, I'm saying they
create this program for whatever

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fuck reason they want.
It could be literally to look

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for UUAPSI don't know.
It doesn't matter, but because

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the program exists in the state
that it exists, parasites will

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in exist in that fucking.
OK, OK, fair, fair.

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And they're just absorbing funds
for whatever they want in their

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personal endeavors.
I'm not saying the creation of

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the department was made for
that.

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I'm just saying that there's
probably people in that

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department that are funneling
billions to wherever, right?

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Like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's what I think also.
I'll just go back to it worked,

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right?
I mean we don't, again, we don't

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know when the program started,
but you know, nobody asked

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questions until now.
So whatever they're doing I

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think cuz in the first one
didn't Gresh say that they had

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biologics?
Isn't that the word that he

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used?
Biologic.

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They dropped that word all
day-to-day.

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So.
There's a lot to this hearing,

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man.
There really is, yeah.

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And it goes to me.
It's one thing to like

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investigate phenomena, right?
Like what is happening, right?

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We could pour billions of
dollars in some secret program

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investigating phenomena, sure.
But once you come to the

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realization like, no, no, no, we
actually have biologics right

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now, it's like a whole different
thing.

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It's like, OK, put like I could,
I could literally conceive of

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the all of the world governments
being like, what?

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There's biologics.
Funnel whatever we can from

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everywhere into this to figure
out what the fuck we can do.

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You know what I mean?
Yeah.

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Kind of like how like in, I've
talked about this before in

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Antarctica and on the
International Space Station, we

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all get along for some reason,
but on the Earth we can't get

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along.
So to me, like behind secret

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rooms where they talk about this
type of stuff, it's the same

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situation, right?
These countries, these borders

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don't exist when you get that
far down the rabbit hole, right?

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I don't know, man, I don't know.
I mean, honestly, if the

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government or any shady
characters within the government

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really wanted money, do they
really need to?

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I mean, I get, I don't know,
man.

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I, I, I feel like the right
person could just create one of

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these dark programs and not even
put a title to it, not put a, a

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reason behind it and just say,
you know, this is, this is the

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black budget.
You know, Congress can't touch

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this because it's black budget.
It's for National Defense.

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00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,240
You don't need to know what it's
for.

463
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,960
This has a title to it.
And I mean, you got, you have to

464
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,720
admit, man, that there, there's
definitely those, those budgets

465
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,880
out there which, you know, it's
just free use of money for

466
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,880
anybody who, who needs it, as
long as you have the, the, the

467
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,240
right credentials for it.
Yeah, like a lot of Intel

468
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,440
budgets and all that kind of
stuff.

469
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:58,880
I just don't see.
I just don't see why they would,

470
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,240
why they would tie the title of
UFOs to it.

471
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,240
I don't see it.
I don't see a need for it.

472
00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:06,280
It doesn't because.
They're looking for UFOs.

473
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:12,000
Well, yeah, that's that's what I
what?

474
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,640
That's what I was talking about.
Yeah.

475
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,560
We talking about?
All right, back to the hearing.

476
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,640
Good.
I need another beer anyways.

477
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,120
Yeah, yeah, you do.
You need one.

478
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,040
That's the problem.
You calm down.

479
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,040
You're acting quite rambunctious
right now.

480
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,640
I'm going to go get a beer.
I just don't understand the

481
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,600
confusion I guess.
You're you're a confusion.

482
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,440
I thought we cleared it up.
No, we.

483
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,120
Cleared it up, he just doesn't
understand.

484
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,960
I guess you don't understand.
No, I understand.

485
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,360
You don't.
You don't understand.

486
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,440
You both don't understand.
You're crazy.

487
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,080
I'm crazy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

488
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:58,000
Job Where's the video?
Come on, Jeff, hurry up.

489
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:00,720
Jeff, you're looking crazy right
now.

490
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,800
He's confused.
Constellation that Michael

491
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,920
Shellenberger delivered to
Congress today.

492
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,720
So thank you, Mr. Shellenberger,
for this information.

493
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,880
We are all reading it in real
time now, and Mr. Burchett will

494
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:21,160
enter it into the record, but 12
pages about this unacknowledged

495
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:27,040
special access program that your
government says does not exist.

496
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,520
So with that, I would
acknowledge my colleagues.

497
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,720
Mr. Garcia, I want to say, first
of all, to Mr. Connolly, who

498
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,520
cannot be here today, the
ranking member on my

499
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,800
Subcommittee on Cybersecurity.
I want to say that I was greatly

500
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,440
saddened to hear about the
recent news of Mr. Connolly's

501
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,680
cancer diagnosis.
And I want to convey to him and

502
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,840
all of our colleagues, we wish
our very best to you and a full

503
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,920
and speedy recovery.
And with that, I would

504
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,480
acknowledge Mr. Garcia for 5
minutes.

505
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,880
Check this out.
I'm going to show you how I

506
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,960
afforded this card.
Really, Jeff?

507
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,200
100.
Thank you.

508
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,960
Thank you very much.
Why aren't we using my login?

509
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,280
Chairwoman and and.
Log in and share the video

510
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,160
their.
Continued support and, and

511
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,320
really treating this, this
discussion and these hearings in

512
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,240
a way that's bipartisan.
I think one thing that's very

513
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,680
important for all of us that are
interested in the conversation

514
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,320
around UA PS is that this is an
area that both Republicans and

515
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,920
Democrats and where we may
disagree in a lot of other

516
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,560
spaces is an area where
bipartisanship is really

517
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,360
important.
And in fact, I would add, it's

518
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,000
critical that we all continue to
work together in a way that that

519
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,280
moves forward with the truth and
an important disclosure.

520
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,600
So we're here to have a
bipartisan and serious

521
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,560
conversation, I believe, about
our national security.

522
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,280
I'll screen share.
I don't have ads because I have

523
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,480
a scripture subscription like a
human being.

524
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,560
Yeah, I'm not giving you too my
money.

525
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,560
Yeah, I I'm not gonna do that
either.

526
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,920
Fuck that.
I watch a lot of true crime

527
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,880
stuff.
They've also served us in our

528
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,960
military and I know that for for
many of this has.

529
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:06,800
Been a difficult.
Process.

530
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,440
But I'm very, yeah, turn it down
a little bit.

531
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,240
With us today and they thank you
for joining us I also want to

532
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,880
note that today's.
How does that?

533
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,760
Builds on a.
Quite.

534
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,120
I think also historic public
hearing that we had many months

535
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,160
ago that Mister Grothman and
others helped lead in this very

536
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,360
same hearing room where I
believe we began a really

537
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,240
important public conversation
about Uaps.

538
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,720
And so I want to thank him for
that, and I especially want to

539
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,000
thank Chairwoman Mace for her
continued advocacy on this

540
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,040
topic.
I also want to start to start

541
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,280
with some facts.
We know that there are objects

542
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,160
or phenomena observed in our
airspace, as your witnesses will

543
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,800
testify, and also possibly in
our oceans.

544
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,480
In many cases, we don't know
what they are.

545
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,800
And this is of course, why we're
discussing UA PS now.

546
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,600
The all the main anomaly
resolution office.

547
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,160
Arrow has reported hundreds of
UA PS that remain quote,

548
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,320
uncharacterized and
unattributed, and which quote,

549
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,200
appear to have demonstrated
unusual flight characteristics

550
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,360
or performance capabilities and
require further analysis.

551
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,600
This is our own Arrow office
now.

552
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,080
We shouldn't prejudge what they
might be.

553
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,200
I'm certainly not going to.
We need evidence that we are

554
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,640
detecting things and we know
that we don't understand them,

555
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,720
and this is worth investigating.
Now, the American people have

556
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,920
legitimate questions, and I
believe it's critical that

557
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,640
Congress should help address
them.

558
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,960
This is about the truth and
science and facts.

559
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,800
Now, transparency and faith in
our institutions is vital in a

560
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,800
good democracy.
Now, I'm proud to say this

561
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,480
hearing, we'll build on that
important bipartisan work.

562
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,600
And I want to thank everyone for
being involved, including

563
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,880
members of our committee.
Now in our last hearing in July,

564
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,680
we heard testimony the
significant number of pilots of

565
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,000
major airlines have witnessed UA
PS as well, but have no real

566
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,080
confidential way of reporting
them to the government.

567
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,320
We heard that commercial pilots
who encounter UA PS may be

568
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,440
hesitant to speak openly due to
stigma or fear of retaliation.

569
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,200
We also know that Arrow has
reported that, and I want to

570
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,960
quote that.
Most reports still reflect a

571
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,960
bias towards restricted military
airspace, a result of reporting

572
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,280
from military personnel and
sensors present in such areas.

573
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,080
And so the lack of ability for
civilian pilots raises real

574
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,720
safety concerns and limits our
ability to understand Uaps.

575
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,200
This is a particular piece of
this conversation that I am very

576
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,480
interested in now.
Our last hearing inspired us to

577
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,720
introduce a Safe Airspace for
Americans ACT joined by Chairman

578
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,800
Groffman, Chairwoman Mace and a
bipartisan group of Co sponsors.

579
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,000
I see some of our leaders from
from Safe Airspace for Americans

580
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,280
Act here and that would I see a
safe reporting for UAP process

581
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,760
which we want to continue.
This is going to be one of those

582
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,200
things where like the Safe
Airspace for Americans act and

583
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,800
like on the 4 millionth page,
it's like, yeah, but we're going

584
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,520
to, we're going to fund, you
know, bombing X, right?

585
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,400
That's the thing.
No, I, I, I get it.

586
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,680
I get it.
But I mean, you see, you see the

587
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,000
problem that they're they're
bringing up, the problem that

588
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,320
they're bringing up right now is
the fact that civilian pilots,

589
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,960
and this used to be the case for
military pilots, but civilian

590
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:09,120
pilots don't have a Safeway to
to report these without, you

591
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,280
know, risk of losing their jobs
or or being blacklisted from

592
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,440
ever working within the aviation
community again.

593
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:23,400
And talking to a few pilots
throughout my, my Navy career,

594
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,360
you know, there, there's been a
few times where I, I was able

595
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:31,920
to, to talk to a few of them and
they were, they were willing to

596
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,719
share with me a few of the cool
things that they saw out there.

597
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:40,440
I mean, they, they see things
and ever, ever since the, the

598
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:45,960
hearing with Grush, the, I don't
know about the, the rest of the

599
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,080
military, but at least the Navy
now has a, a formal reporting

600
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,880
system for UA.
PS UF OS this is so right now

601
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,360
they're trying to push at the
the very early stages of this

602
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,520
congressional hearing for safe
ways for civilian pilots to do

603
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:08,120
the same.
Which makes sense.

604
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,160
That's all I had.
Jeffy, got anything else?

605
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,360
No, no, that sounds great.
It's just some.

606
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,600
I always wonder what's on that
12 thousandth page that nobody

607
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,320
ever reads of these.
Facts 100%.

608
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,400
You know that That's how he gets
his boat.

609
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:27,280
Right.
Exactly.

610
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,960
You know, carry on.
Taking an interest in this

611
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,960
issue, Mainstream media in many
cases are beginning to take in

612
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,560
more of an interest in this
issue and we should all be proud

613
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,000
of carry that work and build
confidence for the American

614
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,320
people.
I believe we can always be more

615
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,840
transparent.
To me, this hearing and others

616
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,520
are simply about the truth and
getting to the facts of what

617
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,360
these UA PS actually are.
It's very important that we show

618
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,480
that Democrats and Republicans
in Congress can work together to

619
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,120
cut through misinformation and
look for a serious and

620
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,200
thoughtful way to have the
discussion in public.

621
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,080
Many of us have also called for
additional public hearings to

622
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,040
discuss UA PS This should be a
topic that continues on

623
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,040
throughout the Congress so we
can gather more information,

624
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,120
data and work with the relevant
agencies to gather more

625
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,360
information.
Finally, just want to add that

626
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,800
those that are here on this
dyess, many of us have

627
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:25,960
participated also in classified
briefings as well and where we

628
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,120
have also gained a lot of
important, I think and

629
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,840
interesting information, least I
personally have.

630
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,520
And so with that information, we
want to continue today's hearing

631
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:35,800
and I think all of our witnesses
for being here.

632
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,280
And with that, I'd like to yield
back.

633
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,720
Thank you, Mr. Garcia.
And I'm now like to recognize

634
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:43,360
Mr. Grossman for a 5 minute
introduction.

635
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,080
Thank you.
Good morning.

636
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,640
I'd like to thank our witnesses
for being here one more time.

637
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,240
This is a a topic I've been
interested in since 8th grade.

638
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,720
Like to thank his face so on
this topic and for making this a

639
00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:57,680
joint subcommittee.
This is the mind control

640
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,200
national.
Security of the border

641
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,160
employees.
Yeah, there is the historic

642
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,440
hearing to understand trolling.
With a game.

643
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,080
National security risk of
unidentified anomalous.

644
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,200
Like the old clear purple ones,
a Game Boy Color.

645
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,000
Former Navy commander David
Fraber.

646
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,360
Just keep an eye on your.
Perceiving experience while on

647
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,720
duty in the Pacific, we learned
from David Gresh, a former

648
00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:22,440
member of the intelligence
community, revealed the supposed

649
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,360
existence of secret government
programs hidden from

650
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,880
congressional oversight.
Additional Formally

651
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,560
Additionally, former military
pilot Ryan Graves informed us of

652
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,000
the limited ways in which the
military and commercial pilots

653
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,360
can report UAP sightings.
Since that last hearings, I've

654
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,720
LED several briefings with
government agencies to deepen my

655
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:44,640
understanding with these issues.
First, the Department of Defense

656
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,520
Inspector General's Office
informed us that the Department

657
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,960
of Defense does not have a
streamlined process for service

658
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,040
members to report UAP activity.
Since then, the Joint Chiefs

659
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,320
have implemented standards for
UAP reporting across the

660
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,320
services.
The Intelligence Community

661
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,440
Inspector General informed us
that whistleblowers often fear

662
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,520
retaliation for reporting
mismanagement of highly

663
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,920
sensitive government projects or
information.

664
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:14,160
Finally, Arrow is expressed to
the committee that like any

665
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,920
other federal government agency
it's face challenges and it's

666
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,200
establishment specifically in
hiring staff to manage UAP

667
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,560
historical records and
coordinating with other federal

668
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,760
agencies.
Well, these agencies have been

669
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,080
helpful to us and understanding
the challenges that come from

670
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,040
collecting UAP data, none of
them have been able to

671
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,680
substantiate the claims made at
this hearing last year by David

672
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,840
Rush.
Despite our our committee

673
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,840
members endlessly questioning
these agencies inside and

674
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,840
outside of a skiff.
I hope our witnesses today will

675
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,240
be able to provide evidence and
content that is worthwhile to

676
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:52,680
our pursuits of eliminating
government waste and increasing

677
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,000
transparency to help alleviate
some of the roadblocks.

678
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,440
I'm supportive of measures that
were included in last year's the

679
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,600
National Defense Authorization
Act to increase transparency and

680
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,240
improve record keeping measures
when it comes to UA PS, but I

681
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:07,680
believe there's still more work
to go.

682
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,360
I Co led the Safe Airspace for
Americans Act with Ranking

683
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,840
Member Garcia, which required
which requires the Federal

684
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,800
Aviation Administration to
develop procedures to collect

685
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,960
UAP data from civilian aviators.
I look forward to looking

686
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,800
members of working with members
of Congress to see if this

687
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,720
legislation other UAP
legislation crosses the finish

688
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:31,800
line.
I'm deeply alarmed by the

689
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:37,320
reporting of massive of the
massive drone drone swarm that

690
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,040
flew over Langley Air Force Base
in Virginia last December.

691
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,280
Langley is the home of the First
Fighter Wing, which maintains

692
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:50,040
half of the F20 twos in in the
US Air Force inventory reports

693
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,200
of this incident indicate the.
Pause it.

694
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,480
So you didn't hear about that?
We.

695
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,560
Should have, we should have done
an episode on this too.

696
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,840
This was something that's
happened over the last few weeks

697
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:07,200
where there were multiple nights
where multiple drones or, you

698
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,840
know, people, people are kind of
split whether or not they were.

699
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:17,320
You know, your typical UAPUFO
phenomenon or whether or not

700
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,000
they were drones, but they were
over Lang Langley Air Force Base

701
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,680
in Virginia or is that in
Maryland?

702
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:28,040
Where is that, Jake?
I know it's in one of those two.

703
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,680
I don't know.
Really.

704
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,680
But it's yeah, You didn't hear
about that, Jeff.

705
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,440
No, man.
Multiple days that I mean, that

706
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,120
that's what that's what
ultimately brought on this

707
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,640
congressional hearing was the
fact that they were having this

708
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,880
issue for multiple days with
multiple unknown items in the

709
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,880
sky over Langley.
So this was like recently.

710
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,480
Oh yeah, this.
Was like in Virginia.

711
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,600
It is in Virginia.
Yeah.

712
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,520
Yeah.
I could try to bring up a an

713
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,640
article for it, but yeah, it's
it.

714
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,480
It was it was really big news,
man.

715
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,360
I was surprised you didn't hear
about it, honestly.

716
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,720
No.
That's wow 4 weeks ago, one

717
00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:15,320
month ago.
So yeah, it's roughly a month

718
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,120
ago.
A couple the here.

719
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,080
I'll I'll take the screen share
here for a second.

720
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:24,440
How dare you?
Yeah.

721
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,280
Can you turn it off for?
A second How dare you?

722
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,200
Right.
Such a terrible person.

723
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,840
Trash.
You see here we got just a a

724
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,920
simple Google search of Langley
UFOs on our news.

725
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,560
You got mystery drones swarmed
AUS military base for 17 days.

726
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,000
Oh, a month ago.
Yeah, the Pentagon is stumped.

727
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,480
UFOs hovering near Langley Air
Force Base.

728
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,440
Mystery drones flew over US
base.

729
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,280
Senator Moran to introduce
legislation.

730
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,400
Blah, blah blah.
Pentagon stumped UFO mother

731
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,200
ships have unleashed swarms of
smaller craft over the US Air

732
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,200
Air Force Base.
I mean, there's a there's a lot

733
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,720
that was done here.
We should have done an episode

734
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:08,240
on this because of how big it
was.

735
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,920
Surprised to you here, man.
Kind of disappointed in you to

736
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,600
be honest with you, but.
Man, I've been working a lot

737
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,800
bro.
Sorry, sorry, busy.

738
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:18,520
Sorry.
I get it.

739
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,440
You just don't care.
It's not a big deal.

740
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,120
I got to fund Immaculate
Constellation, bro.

741
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,720
Somebody's got to pay those
taxes, brother.

742
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,400
That's right man, someone's got
to buy this dude's boat.

743
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,320
Unlimited budget, man, I got to
work a lot of days to fund that

744
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:38,520
program.
So it in the chat there, Skeeter

745
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,360
said.
Can someone tell him that he

746
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,880
doesn't need to hold his mic?
And like I'm sitting there

747
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,920
thinking like, this dude's going
to throat this mic just waiting

748
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:53,560
for put his mouth over it.
My biggest concern about all

749
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:58,080
this, man really is like aside
from like the what I've already

750
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:00,480
preached about, like where's the
money going?

751
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,440
It's just like a laundering
scheme.

752
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,080
But like, I really do wonder if
there is like this breakaway

753
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,640
civilization, the shadow group,
this secret organization, and if

754
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,400
like those UFOs are theirs and
they're doing shit like this,

755
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,280
like flying over Langley, Like
what?

756
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:21,240
What is it's like to me, that's
more terrifying than if it's

757
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,720
aliens.
Like, if it's human beings with

758
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:28,480
this technology that are just
like, completely unregulated,

759
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,880
that's more terrifying to me
than like.

760
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,320
Here's here's the thing, right?
I don't think it's human beings.

761
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,600
I don't.
If it's a breakaway

762
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,800
civilization, it's something
other than human.

763
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,760
It's another biological
intelligence, and that's another

764
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,040
term that you're going to hear
quite a bit, biological

765
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,160
intelligence.
Transhuman maybe?

766
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,400
Maybe possibly.
I mean, there was even the idea

767
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:55,520
of it being AI kicked around,
you know, I mean.

768
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,080
I mean, that would be like
transhuman, you know, AI, you

769
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,560
know, whatever.
But The thing is, is like, these

770
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,440
things have been around for a
fucking long time, right?

771
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,480
That's the weird shit.
Right.

772
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,720
And if, if it was a human
civilization that had control of

773
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:17,440
these things, humans suck, man.
They would have naked us all by

774
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,720
now, right?
I mean, it just doesn't, that

775
00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:26,480
wouldn't make sense.
Just humans by nature that if

776
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,640
they have the technology and the
will, while we know that they

777
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,320
have the will, but they've that
if they have the willpower to do

778
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,480
it, they're going to do it.
Why?

779
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,520
Why limit yourself to whatever
landmass that you call home when

780
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,320
you could just take over the
whole fucking world?

781
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:47,400
That's human nature, you know?
So I don't think it's human.

782
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,040
I don't.
And if it is human, I would say

783
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:56,480
that it's from the future where
our mentality has evolved a bit.

784
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,040
You know, I don't know, man.
Adaption.

785
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,400
For you're saying we're not
always going to be fighting over

786
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,360
lines and dirt.
No, we're always going to be

787
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,560
fighting over lines of dirt.
Unless.

788
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,080
And it's not from the future.
Unless it's from the future.

789
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:21,880
So I I personally don't think
it's at least another human

790
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,920
civilization on this planet.
Because even if it was, why

791
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,640
would they even care if if they
had their own little quarter of

792
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,840
the world?
Why would they even give a shit

793
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,760
about us other than just I mean,
OK, so here's a here's a bit for

794
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:41,080
for your argument, right.
They do tend to to hang around

795
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,240
nuclear facility in.
Here maybe you guys are frozen

796
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,840
right now from.
Aircraft carriers and

797
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,160
submarines, right?
So they're watching that kind of

798
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,560
shit.
I mean, that would be the reason

799
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,600
why they would be watching us
right now and not trying to kill

800
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,160
us, right?
Because we do have these nuclear

801
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,880
weapons.
Yeah, I mean, you know.

802
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,280
Even have ruined their their
their home.

803
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:02,240
Exactly.
I mean, even a breakaway

804
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:05,680
civilization, like they don't
want nuclear Armageddon to

805
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,760
happen either.
And even if it's a breakaway

806
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,480
secret space program, right?
Like what if these people are

807
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,960
beings like, they're not, maybe
they're from here, but they're

808
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,280
not from here, if that makes
sense.

809
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,440
Right.
You go back to like those old

810
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,400
conspiracies about like, you
remember, like the Nazis went to

811
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,600
Antarctica and all this over
here and they're like, oh, maybe

812
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:25,960
they maybe they went to the
moon, right?

813
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,160
There's there's bases on the
moon, right?

814
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,240
Or oh, there's bases on Mars,
right?

815
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:32,880
Like these are all conspiracies
that have been floated for

816
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,000
years.
And it's like, what if, man?

817
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,760
I don't.
I don't think the Nazis go into

818
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,680
Antarctica was a conspiracy.
I think that's a well known

819
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,120
thing.
They did go there.

820
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,760
Now, whether or not they're
permanently set there, I don't

821
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,720
that could be a conspiracy, but.
Sure, I just mean like that that

822
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:52,240
evolved into like, oh, there's
spaces on the moon, right, And

823
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:54,400
then like that kind of evolved
into like, oh, they when they

824
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,680
went to Mars and left the probes
there, like they found more

825
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:59,720
these bases.
And I'm not specifically saying

826
00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:01,720
like maybe it's the Nazis.
Maybe it is.

827
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:04,600
I'm just saying like maybe it's
just some breakaway civilization

828
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,640
over the past 100 years or
whatever.

829
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:12,000
Like they've Earth is just a
stop, right, But they still

830
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,440
don't want it naked.
Like you're saying, that would

831
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,320
be dumb.
Man, I don't know, man, I don't

832
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:19,680
know.
Because honestly, it would just

833
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,800
be easier for them to just kill
us.

834
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:26,200
And I mean, if they had the
power to, to shut down our

835
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:31,760
nuclear facilities, why not just
render us useless, period.

836
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:33,640
Yeah.
It just doesn't.

837
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:38,040
I don't know, man.
I I, I don't think it's, it's a

838
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,280
human civilization.
What if it's just ghosts?

839
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,640
What if we do nuke ourselves
into oblivion and all of the

840
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,200
Uaps are just ghosts of
everybody?

841
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,200
You know, like whatever floating
around the.

842
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,080
Have you guys seen the jellyfish
UFO you guys?

843
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,240
Seen this?
The jellyfish I think.

844
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:00,280
Oh yeah.
Jellyfish UFO bro, this thing

845
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,960
and you're going to look at it,
you're like that's AI.

846
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:10,480
But from what I understand, this
has been spotted over multiple

847
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:16,320
places and is not.
OK.

848
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:21,720
Here I'll I'll share it real
quick.

849
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:34,480
So most of these that you see
here is is AI, right?

850
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:40,480
But this right here, this one is
one of the ones in.

851
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:47,440
So you got Jeremy Corbell's name
attached to this one right here.

852
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,880
It is on Entertainment Tonight,
right?

853
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,240
So this thing.
Can you expand that screen?

854
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:54,920
I can barely see it.
See it?

855
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,360
Can you play the video?
I don't know is it a video?

856
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,200
That link said video.
Did it?

857
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,240
Oh, it's YouTube.
I guess I could couldn't.

858
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,480
I don't know how to play the
audio.

859
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,880
Hold on.
Good music for this video.

860
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:33,800
Look at this thing.
This was in, I want to say this

861
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:38,320
was in Afghanistan.
Guess seen it.

862
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,600
OK.
It's like glitchy.

863
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,720
It's pretty laggy.
Is it really?

864
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,280
Yeah, yeah.
Well, maybe one of you guys can

865
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,040
play it.
I'll send I'll send the the

866
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,240
video to chat real quick.
I'll pull it up.

867
00:49:55,240 --> 00:49:57,360
Hold on a second.
It's pretty crazy.

868
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,760
Man, I was just telling Crystal
a minute ago.

869
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,800
Like we, you know, we could
speculate and ponder all day

870
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,160
about what the fuck's going on,
but it's it is wild that they're

871
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,560
just having these hearings in
Congress to begin with because

872
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,320
you go back ten years ago, 15
years ago, unheard of outside of

873
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,200
like Doctor Greer's little
how's.

874
00:50:35,110 --> 00:50:39,680
That it's fine.
Seems to be better playing

875
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:44,360
better than what it was on mine.
It looks hella fake, but The

876
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,480
thing is, it's on the lens.
It looks like it's dump on the

877
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,520
lens.
But it's not dude, it's not.

878
00:50:59,810 --> 00:51:03,530
But these things have been
popping up like in multiple

879
00:51:03,530 --> 00:51:05,370
areas of the of the of the
planet.

880
00:51:06,610 --> 00:51:09,650
This is just the only one that's
been on on video like they're

881
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,200
here.
Let me let me take control of

882
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:15,760
this the screen share again.
I got.

883
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,160
I got the.
Only thing that gets me is

884
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,320
something that you said earlier
too, Jeremy, like these things

885
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:20,880
have been around for a long
time, right?

886
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,600
And I don't just mean like since
the 50s.

887
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,480
I mean, like, you know, there's
ancient accounts of these types

888
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,560
of things happening.
So it's that's the part that

889
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,920
always trips me up where it's
like, Oh yeah, I think about

890
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,280
what it could be.
And then it's like, well, what

891
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,880
would what would it have been
5000 years ago?

892
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,520
So here's here's a compilation
of some of the better.

893
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,360
Fuck, look at this thing dude.
This is the bugs coming bro,

894
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:50,040
we're fucked, fucked.
Yeah, so this is, this is a

895
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,480
compilation of some of the
better photos are two of the

896
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,160
better photos, right.
So you have them zoomed in,

897
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,360
zoomed out, zoomed in, zoomed
out.

898
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:02,240
But there's a ton of these
popping up, man, ton of them

899
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:03,960
and.
Bro that is so fake.

900
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,160
I'm watching the video right
now.

901
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:06,960
That is definitely a smudge on
the screen.

902
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,360
It is not.
It is.

903
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,920
You're a smudge on the screen.
It's so dumb.

904
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,960
It is not.
It's not even like solid.

905
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,480
It's it's like you can see
everything through it.

906
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,680
It's just a smudge.
Dude, I don't think it is.

907
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:33,200
I really don't.
Look, look, we just look at

908
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,280
this.
Look at, look at me.

909
00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:37,360
Look.
Look at me, look at it.

910
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:38,240
Look at me.
Look at it.

911
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:42,240
Look at this watch, look at
this.

912
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:47,080
You can see the lines.
No, maybe not.

913
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,400
I was I thought you could see
the lines of the building

914
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,280
through it ish.
The thing, it's not even that.

915
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,520
That's literally like a bird
took a dump right on the screen

916
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,560
of the fire and they're just
like, oh gosh, it's a jellyfish.

917
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,240
And it's like, no.
Do you?

918
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:03,200
I don't think so, man.
I don't.

919
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,520
I found a better picture of it,
yeah.

920
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:19,800
See, it's bird shit on the
camera lens like you're all

921
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,120
ready to continue.
Drone with stealth tech.

922
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,320
I like that comment.
Yeah.

923
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:26,520
Where's that?
Where's that picture?

924
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:27,960
Did you?
Already show you.

925
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,800
And I can't because Jake's got
the share going.

926
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,520
Oh, there you go.
You can have it back.

927
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,400
That's Star Wars.
Yeah.

928
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,120
Is that what it is?
That's what Star Wars.

929
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:45,360
Look at it.
Look at it.

930
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,200
Look at it.
That's it right there.

931
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,040
Look at that smudge, I told you.
Bro, Oh, no.

932
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,520
It's that thing from Fallout 4.
Those robots.

933
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,280
Is it?
Yeah.

934
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:00,920
Oh, all right.
Y'all done?

935
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,440
Yeah, we're done.
All done being crazy.

936
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,560
Drones were roughly 20 feet
long, flying more than 100 miles

937
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,040
an hour in an altitude of over
3000 feet.

938
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,840
Yet the origin of these zones
and their operators remains a

939
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,640
mystery.
This incident and other

940
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,120
sightings near sensitive
military installations

941
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,480
highlights the complexity of the
UAP challenge facing our

942
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,760
Intelligence, Defense, and
Homeland Security committees.

943
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:35,280
Whether these phenomena are the
result of foreign adversaries

944
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:39,320
developing advanced technologies
or something else entirely, we

945
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,520
must take them seriously,
investigate them thoroughly, and

946
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,360
assess their implications on
National Defense.

947
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,280
The repeated UAP sightings
around sensitive military sites

948
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,840
underscores the need for
innovative defensive strategies

949
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:57,120
beyond traditional measures.
They also highlight the urgent

950
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,760
need for updated policies to
address emergency threats, as

951
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,880
well as more effective
interagency cooperation and

952
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,160
intelligence sharing.
However, none of this is going

953
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,240
to be possible without
transparency.

954
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:15,000
For far too long, critical
information about UA PS has been

955
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,720
either classified or ignored,
leaving the American public in

956
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:20,480
key.
Congressman.

957
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,400
Without.
Clarity making.

958
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,080
Forward decisions.
I thought he was waving a dildo.

959
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,680
I'm not going to lie to you.
And fostering a more open

960
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:32,160
dialogue about it will not only
increase the public trust, but

961
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,640
also encourage collaboration
between government, the

962
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,400
scientific community and our
allies.

963
00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:39,880
Quite frankly, there's been
things that have been kept

964
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,400
secret.
It is, I think, old enough that

965
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,960
there is no reason it shouldn't
be released regardless of any

966
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:53,120
so-called, you know, private.
Honestly, I think that's a

967
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,760
really fucking good point.
If you're an approach will allow

968
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,480
us to share insights, identify
patterns, and develop new

969
00:55:58,480 --> 00:55:59,760
strategic.
Defenses.

970
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,280
Pause it for a second.
I'm gonna.

971
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:06,040
We must do so with the minds.
Are we even through the 1st 10

972
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,000
minutes of this fucking video?
Well, we're 16 minutes in.

973
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:16,280
So he said, he said that even if
this was something that was

974
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:21,800
hidden, right, that he's
specifically talking about past

975
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,720
programs, you know, project
sign, Project Grudge, Blue Book,

976
00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:27,200
that kind of shit.
Sure.

977
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:33,560
Why is the stuff that they found
still secret, right?

978
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,800
Time has gone by.
There's no reason for it to be

979
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,160
secret.
There's there's no way that any

980
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:46,160
of it has any implications on
government or national security

981
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:47,840
anymore.
If something happened in the

982
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,120
60s, I mean, you could apply the
same thing to the JFK

983
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,200
assassination, right?
But we all know that was an

984
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:59,720
inside job.
Yeah, I guess unless UFOs, you

985
00:56:59,720 --> 00:57:02,760
know, like the Foo Fighters and
and the ghost rockets of World

986
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:07,320
War Two were also inside jobs,
which I don't think they were

987
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,880
then.
I, I think this guy's right and

988
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:15,320
I, I don't think that that
there's any reason for this

989
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,000
stuff to, to still be top
secret.

990
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,520
Yes, thanks.
Moving on, you don't.

991
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,200
Think there'd be any reason for
it to be top secret?

992
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:28,640
What'd you say?
You don't.

993
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,680
Think there'd be any reason for
it to be top secret?

994
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:39,160
No good reasons other than
somebody wants to fucking make

995
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,640
money off of it or somebody's
trying to save their own ass.

996
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:48,400
Yep, like the JFK assassination.
What if they knew that there was

997
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,360
like an imminent threat?
Do you think they would tell us?

998
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:58,360
What does it matter?
That's one, that's one concept

999
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:02,080
of like movies and and and pop
culture that I've never really

1000
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:03,320
understood.
You know, why?

1001
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:07,160
Why would they keep imminent
threats away from the

1002
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,160
population?
What would it do?

1003
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,640
What what's the difference so
that that so that everyone can

1004
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,680
just die without knowing that
they're dying.

1005
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,920
I mean the, the moral thing to
do would be like, hey, just so

1006
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,400
you guys know, you have this
amount of time to say goodbye to

1007
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,960
your fucking family.
Well, there's your problem,

1008
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:26,560
Jeremy.
You.

1009
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,680
You think the people that run
the world have morals?

1010
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,160
No, I get it.
They they would, they would just

1011
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:36,120
assume not tell anybody shit so
they could all get themselves,

1012
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,000
their friends and their families
into all their fucking

1013
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,320
underground cities and they just
let the world burn.

1014
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,040
I think that'd probably be more
likely.

1015
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:44,880
All right.
Yeah, you're right on that one

1016
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,640
too.
Cat.

1017
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,040
Hey God damn it, cats eating
stuff.

1018
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,120
Hit play.
OK, hold on a second.

1019
00:59:08,780 --> 00:59:15,540
Let's see if I can.
Let's see if I can do this.

1020
00:59:15,580 --> 00:59:17,500
No, probably not.
All right.

1021
00:59:17,700 --> 00:59:20,380
Instead of protecting our
country, advancing scientific

1022
00:59:20,380 --> 00:59:23,940
discovery, and upholding the
trust of the American people who

1023
00:59:23,940 --> 00:59:29,200
right now I don't think have
trust and it it's just obvious I

1024
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,600
don't have trust.
We cannot shy away from the

1025
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,920
unknown, especially when the
stakes are so high.

1026
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,000
I look forward to discussing
these matters for the witnesses

1027
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,000
today.
I'm hopeful we can learn from

1028
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,880
the testimony and come out of
this hearing with action,

1029
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,080
actionable ideas to advance UAP
transparency.

1030
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:50,080
Actually, the idea is just to
say in my mind, go back 15 years

1031
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:51,400
and everything has to be
released.

1032
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,000
I'm hopeful that we can learn
from their testimony to come out

1033
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,520
of this hearing.
And with that I yield back.

1034
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,200
Thank you.
I'll now recognize Mr. Moskowitz

1035
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,480
for a 5 minute introduction.
Thank you, Chairwoman.

1036
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,920
Good morning, everyone.
I first want to thank the Chairs

1037
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,320
and Ranking members for holding
the hearing today on this topic

1038
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,760
and again having a second
hearing.

1039
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,320
I want to thank the witnesses
for coming forward today to

1040
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,440
share your expertise on UA PS
and the need to build trust

1041
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,720
through transparency.
But, but first, I want to

1042
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,200
mention you might be wondering
why Chairman Comer has allowed

1043
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,880
me to be a ranking member today,
but it's really only because our

1044
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,160
dear friend Jerry Connolly is
not here.

1045
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:37,320
As Chairwoman Mace mentioned, he
was diagnosed with esophageal

1046
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,880
cancer, and all of us on this
committee know know Jerry and

1047
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:45,000
he's a fighter and we're praying
for him and hoping for his

1048
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,520
speedy recovery.
So today's hearing marks this

1049
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,920
committee's second.
Meeting dedicated to UAP.

1050
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,160
Transparency, I was pleased.
I felt like this guy gave a hope

1051
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,920
with a snatch when he was
questioning the witnesses or

1052
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:01,440
later in the video last.
Year's hearing, and even though

1053
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,640
we can't talk about what happens
in the classified settings, that

1054
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:09,640
bipartisanship that has existed
in in those settings with the

1055
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,840
questions members have asked.
Last year's hearing was a great

1056
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,840
example of open dialogue about
UA PS And we must remain

1057
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,000
committed to share information
with the American people.

1058
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,360
And I think you see that
commitment based on the people

1059
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,960
here and the commitment across
the political spectrum.

1060
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,920
I personally have worked with
multiple members of this

1061
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:32,600
committee, but I want to
particularly thank Congressman

1062
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:37,640
Burchett, Mace, Luna, and Garcia
for working on bipartisan pieces

1063
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,960
of legislation.
In recent years, Congress has

1064
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:44,720
taken numerous bipartisan steps
towards greater transparency.

1065
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:49,240
In 2022, in the NDAA, we created
the All Domain Anomaly

1066
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,600
Resolution Office to investigate
unidentified flying objects.

1067
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:57,640
Following ARROW, along with OD
and I released an unclassified

1068
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:02,000
report on UAP sightings.
Of the 366 sightings included in

1069
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,760
the report, 171 remain
uncharacterized, with some of

1070
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,520
these appearing to have
demonstrated unusual flight

1071
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,120
characteristics or performance
capabilities.

1072
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,960
That's a nice way of saying we
don't want to tell you what they

1073
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,720
are.
In March, Arrow revealed a

1074
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,720
report on the historical record
of U.S. government involvement

1075
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:23,080
with UA PS, which covered
investigatory efforts going back

1076
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,960
from 1945 to the present day.
Earlier this year, I joined

1077
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,920
Congressman Burchett to
introduce the UAP Transparency

1078
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,440
Act, which would require the
declassification of all

1079
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,640
documents related UA PS with
many other members of this

1080
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,400
committee.
In fiscal year 2024, the NDA

1081
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,760
required the National Archives
and the Records Administration

1082
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:44,520
to establish the Unidentified
Anonymous Phenomena Records

1083
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:45,880
collection.
This collection will include

1084
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:49,400
digital copies of all
unidentified UAP records that

1085
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:53,440
can be publicly disclosed.
This commitment is in

1086
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,720
Transparency is vitally
important and unnecessary.

1087
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:02,760
Over classification has led to a
void of information which has

1088
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,240
allowed theories over the
decades to foster.

1089
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:09,360
When the American people and
members of Congress ask our

1090
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:13,160
reports of UA PS critical,
credible, we're met with

1091
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,280
stonewalling, We're met with
responses of I can't tell you.

1092
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:21,280
And in fact, we're met with
people not wanting us to have

1093
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,400
hearings.
We're met with people not

1094
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:27,800
wanting us to ask you questions.
In fact, many of us, we're told

1095
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,400
not to ask some of you certain
questions on certain topics.

1096
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:36,960
In a time of heightened distrust
of our government institutions,

1097
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,480
I believe more transparency is
not only needed, but it's

1098
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,040
possible.
See, I want to know who told

1099
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:46,080
them to not ask certain.
Questions, but we also.

1100
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,560
Who say names bro?
Who told you not to ask what

1101
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:52,600
questions?
That's a.

1102
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,720
Big day.
Wait, wait, do you hear some of

1103
01:03:55,720 --> 01:04:00,640
the the I don't feel comfortable
to answering that question or

1104
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,920
I'll, I'll answer this question
in a closed setting.

1105
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,200
This like there's so much of
this shit to man.

1106
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,160
It's like, why even have this
fucking thing?

1107
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:15,360
Why even do this?
It's, it's pretty, some of the,

1108
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,400
the speakers here or the
senators or whoever the fuck

1109
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:23,320
they are, but get pretty pissed
off at the, there's like 4 guys

1110
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,240
sitting at the table.
We'll, we'll meet him here soon.

1111
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:30,920
One of them was that Admiral
that was on the Shawn Ryan show

1112
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,840
just a little while ago.
Actually 2, two of the guys were

1113
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:40,000
on Shawn Shawn Ryan show.
And sometimes they'll, they'll,

1114
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:41,440
you know, they'll ask a good
question.

1115
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,680
You'll be like, yeah, man,
answer that fucking question.

1116
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,360
And then the, the guys at the
table will be like, oh, well, I

1117
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:48,000
don't feel comfortable answering
that.

1118
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:50,680
It's like, damn it, man, why are
you?

1119
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,040
Why are you at a congressional
hearing?

1120
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,600
And even still, there's like, I
think there's a thing saying

1121
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:01,440
when the individuals said that,
like they'll literally block

1122
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,200
FOIA requests.
The US government will block

1123
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,720
FOIA requests saying we're not
going to answer this, We're not

1124
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,920
going to answer this question.
Yeah, that's fucking ridiculous.

1125
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:16,320
Continuing.
So I have to provide our

1126
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,640
constituents with the
information and oversight that

1127
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:24,440
they have tasked us for is part
of this government agencies must

1128
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,600
maintain open lines of
communication with members of

1129
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,400
Congress.
And there are regular questions

1130
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:34,440
that Americans have.
What are UA PS Are they real?

1131
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:38,120
Are they ours?
How is this technology been

1132
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:41,400
developed?
How do they get funded right.

1133
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:46,360
And now we've seen this has gone
from a long time ago where you

1134
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,040
could discredit people because
it's some guy living in a

1135
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:50,760
Winnebago.
You're you're.

1136
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,040
Able to see people now.
These are pilots, these are

1137
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,080
military, these are folks with
serious backgrounds.

1138
01:05:56,320 --> 01:06:01,600
This has changed the face of
this because now we have video.

1139
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,480
People will have questions.
We know there are advanced

1140
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:09,200
technology programs.
Almost 15 years ago, one of

1141
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:14,000
those came out of Area 51 to go
after Osama bin Laden, and the

1142
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,920
only reason we know about that
is because one of those

1143
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:20,640
helicopters was downed.
Americans have questions about

1144
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,680
whistleblowers who have come
forward to talk about

1145
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:29,000
retribution.
And so I want to thank everyone

1146
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:36,000
for being.
Dude, you hear that?

1147
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:39,440
That was one of those stealth
Blackhawks I was talking about,

1148
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:40,920
or I've talked about a few
times.

1149
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,800
Yep, Yep, we.
Talked about it in the Elmwood.

1150
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:46,720
Episode came out at Area 51.
Yep.

1151
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,240
Yep.
You guys ever see any of those?

1152
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:57,040
No, no, Actually, yes.
I saw them at the last Grey Flag

1153
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:02,840
event over in Socal when I was
stationed at my last base.

1154
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,160
But I didn't.
Did you really?

1155
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,400
Yeah, they had like four of them
over there.

1156
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:10,640
What?
What did they use for audio

1157
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:14,280
suppression or I don't know.
They just look like Blackhawks.

1158
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:16,600
That's nuts.
Yeah.

1159
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:20,080
Cuz like when I was alone would
have to be.

1160
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:25,160
I didn't see him flying, so I
wouldn't have I, I mean you if

1161
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,440
you, if I'd seen him flying, I
would have been able to report

1162
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,520
whether or not they made sound
cuz obviously.

1163
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:31,320
They're.
Super loud, I didn't see him

1164
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,840
flying.
I got there in the middle of the

1165
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:37,200
night.
So, and just in case you haven't

1166
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:41,160
been listening to the Internet
rabbit hole at all, Jake and I

1167
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:47,600
used to work on age 60s and age
60s are the same thing as a

1168
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:49,320
Blackhawk.
But in the Navy we call them

1169
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,880
Seahawks.
And when we were doing the

1170
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,800
Elmwood episode, and I want to
say in a few other episodes too,

1171
01:07:55,800 --> 01:08:02,040
Jake had mentioned the stealth
Blackhawk that went in.

1172
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,840
They used it in order to
assassinate Osama bin Laden.

1173
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:12,120
And it was one of like, correct
me if I'm wrong here, Jake,

1174
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:13,680
because you're the one that told
the story.

1175
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:18,560
But Obama didn't even know it
existed, right?

1176
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:25,240
Yeah, so they had the they had
the debriefing of in the

1177
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,040
Situation room.
This is actually brought on by

1178
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,479
an interview from the SEAL who
killed bin Laden.

1179
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,960
Actually, let me let me just do
Google search and pull up his

1180
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:33,680
name.
I'm going to say that.

1181
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,160
And it makes me feel dumb.
No.

1182
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,600
It's no, not Chris Cole.
That's not the guy.

1183
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,600
No.
No, hold on a second.

1184
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,399
Chris Kyle was awesome.
Crystal misinformed me.

1185
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,600
Thanks Crystal.
Robert.

1186
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,240
J O'Neill.
There it is.

1187
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,520
He's a SEAL who killed bin
Laden, and he said in an

1188
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:58,520
interview that they were in the
Situation Room talking to Obama

1189
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:04,479
about that.
They were 99% sure that Osama

1190
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:08,479
bin Laden was in this compound
because his last line of

1191
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,200
defense, I think is like nephew
or something like that was there

1192
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:13,319
too.
And they always went everywhere

1193
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:15,880
together.
So basically, like when he was

1194
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:19,319
in the interview, we said that
they called out for his nephew

1195
01:09:19,319 --> 01:09:23,680
or his whatever, and, and in a
few different languages being

1196
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:26,680
like, hey, come out here.
So he popped his head out and

1197
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:28,640
shot him in the face.
And then they rushed the door

1198
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,279
and kicked it open and shot bin
Laden in the face.

1199
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:34,160
And that was like, you know, his
last line of defense, his most

1200
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:36,880
trusted person.
So they saw him there.

1201
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,160
And so like, we're 99% sure he's
there.

1202
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:41,720
So they did the whole
debriefing, like we're going to

1203
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,439
go in and get him and all this
sort of stuff.

1204
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:44,960
And then Obama's like, right,
well, that's it.

1205
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:46,479
And like, well, there's another
thing.

1206
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:50,359
He's like, the helicopters are
going to be utilizing our

1207
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:56,360
stealth Blackhawk technology
that doesn't, isn't supposed to

1208
01:09:56,360 --> 01:10:01,000
exist essentially.
And if you've ever heard a

1209
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:04,960
helicopter, they're loud, right?
They chop through the air.

1210
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,240
There are, you know, all that
sort of stuff.

1211
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:11,240
They can be very loud if you get
up to the the 53 platform.

1212
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:16,120
But the MH 60s, Seahawks,
Blackhawks, whatever, they're

1213
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:20,320
pretty noisy.
And apparently Obama had never

1214
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,840
heard about these things
existing.

1215
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:26,520
And even the pilots who were
trained on Blackhawks so they

1216
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,720
could fly them had never heard
of these aircraft.

1217
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:37,840
And they were so quiet that even
during a crash and them having

1218
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:41,680
to, you know, essentially burn
the thing to the ground because

1219
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:45,040
of the technology on board.
But they were so quiet that the

1220
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:48,160
people in the compound in in Bin
Laden's compound didn't even

1221
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:50,960
know that they were there until
they were breaching the doors

1222
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:52,720
and going in and gunning people
down.

1223
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,520
Like that's some crazy stuff.
Crazy Which?

1224
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,680
Is insane because this is in the
middle of the freaking desert

1225
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,800
dude.
Like the sound must travel so

1226
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,840
far.
Out there and even still like

1227
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:10,520
like it's so obnoxiously loud,
like it's unmistakable.

1228
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:14,000
The engine sounds, not to
mention the chopping of the the

1229
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,600
blades, you know, all that sort
of stuff.

1230
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:16,960
It's just it's so incredibly
loud.

1231
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:20,560
So, so you just heard right
here, this guy was talking about

1232
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:22,480
it.
He said, you know, the

1233
01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:25,840
Blackhawks that were used that
we only know about because the

1234
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:30,280
one that crashed, right, came in
at Area 51.

1235
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:32,160
So they are doing that sort of
stuff.

1236
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:38,680
They are doing super advanced
stealth technologies and, you

1237
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:42,400
know, whatever else in Area 51.
So it's not some big giant

1238
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,080
conspiracy.
He just said it.

1239
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:49,160
So I definitely, you know,
obviously I think that they have

1240
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,840
the technology to do this type
of stuff, right, Like the the

1241
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,760
stealth helicopters that you
couldn't hear in the desert at

1242
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:56,200
night.
Sure, why not?

1243
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:02,160
But could it be possible, do you
think It's possible that maybe

1244
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,840
it wasn't like a stealth
Blackhawk that they used that

1245
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:08,920
night and it was some other
vehicle, but they had to cover

1246
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,680
that with, hey, look, we got a
stealth Blackhawk that we've

1247
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:13,360
been working on.
I don't.

1248
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:15,880
I don't think so, because
somebody would have sung,

1249
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,000
somebody would have came out
with it eventually.

1250
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:25,680
I Jeremy just sent me this.
This is a recording of a of a

1251
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,440
Seahawk.
This is actually me.

1252
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,800
I took this recording in a
Seahawk.

1253
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:32,960
This is how loud they are
They're.

1254
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:51,290
So loud.
It's deafening.

1255
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:55,640
They're able to take that wine
and the chopping and all that

1256
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:58,320
sort of stuff and cut it down to
where it was so quiet that they

1257
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:01,600
didn't even know until they were
blowing the doors open and

1258
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:03,520
shooting people.
Like that's insane.

1259
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,880
Yeah, and didn't they crash the
thing in the compound?

1260
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,560
Isn't that like where I can clip
the wall or something like?

1261
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,040
Yeah.
How bro, see, this is my my

1262
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:14,240
thought.
I mean, I guess you're right

1263
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,680
yeah, somebody must have or
would have definitely said

1264
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:21,000
something by now, I guess right.
But I've talked about it before

1265
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:24,360
right with the my lab thing or
like with the blackmail thing

1266
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:26,480
right.
It's like, I personally believe

1267
01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:30,320
that they've got UF OS or some
kind of crazy technology where

1268
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,240
they could just show up right
and show force.

1269
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,960
And that's how they can get
strings pulled, you know?

1270
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:40,240
So maybe it's stealth
helicopters, maybe it's UFOs, I

1271
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:45,440
don't know.
Trying to find a good video of

1272
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:51,080
like of me on the outside of of
the helicopter so that you guys

1273
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:54,600
can hear from the outside
because I don't think the inside

1274
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:58,680
does it very much justice.
Oh, I got those.

1275
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:00,400
Do.
You.

1276
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:02,480
Oh yeah.
Anyway, let's continue on with

1277
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:03,800
this.
I'll find it and then I'll I'll

1278
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:05,840
share it in the next talking
point.

1279
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:07,920
Yeah, I'll keep looking too.
OK.

1280
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:13,520
Being involved today, I'm trying
to get more transparency.

1281
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:18,440
This has been bipartisan,
bicameral, and as we get into a

1282
01:14:18,440 --> 01:14:21,320
new administration, the
president had elect has talked

1283
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:25,360
about opportunities to
declassify information on UA PS

1284
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:29,000
and I hope he lives up to to
that promise.

1285
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:33,880
And with that I yield back.
OK, thank you, Mr. Moskowitz,

1286
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,280
and I would now committee staff
asked me to go ahead and I will

1287
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:39,320
do it to enter into the
Congressional Record this 12

1288
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:41,960
page document that Michael
Shellenberger brought today that

1289
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,800
describes the Immaculate
Constellation government

1290
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:46,960
program.
So we will do that.

1291
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,440
Now every member up here has a
copy of it.

1292
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,600
The first section talks about
the unacknowledged special

1293
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:56,040
access program called Immaculate
Constellation and the second

1294
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:59,760
section about USG imagery
intelligence.

1295
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,600
And Representative Luna just
told me if I say Immaculate

1296
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:06,680
Constellation, I'll be on some
list, maybe a FISA warrant.

1297
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:12,640
So come at me bro, I guess, but
without objection entered in the

1298
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,880
record.
All right.

1299
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:17,240
So next we will introduce our
witnesses.

1300
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,520
Today's hearing.
I just realized I was on Mike

1301
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:20,680
being here.
I was like, she said.

1302
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:26,920
It's Witness retired from the US
Navy and is now the Chief

1303
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:30,400
Executive Officer at Ocean STL
Consulting.

1304
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:34,560
Our second witness is Mr. Liu
Elizondo, a former Department of

1305
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:38,000
Defense official and author of a
recent best seller book about UA

1306
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,240
PS.
Our third witness is Mr. Michael

1307
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:43,320
Shellenberger, founder of the
newsletter Public and author of

1308
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:46,280
a recent journalistic piece
about special access programs,

1309
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:49,600
including one widely identified
as Immaculate Constellation.

1310
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:51,360
I swear the staff wants me on a
list.

1311
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,480
OK.
And our last witness today is

1312
01:15:54,480 --> 01:15:58,680
Mr. Michael Gold, a former NASA
official who was also a member

1313
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:01,080
of the NASA UAP Independent
Study Team.

1314
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:03,200
Welcome, everyone.
We are pleased to have you

1315
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:06,000
today.
Pursuant to Committee Rule 9 G,

1316
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,040
the witnesses will please stand
and raise your right hands.

1317
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:13,400
This is where it gets real.
Do you solemnly swear to affirm

1318
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:16,760
that the testimony that you are
about to give is the truth, the

1319
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:20,040
whole truth, and nothing but the
truth, so help you God?

1320
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,160
Let the record show that the
witnesses all answered in the

1321
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:26,520
affirmative.
We appreciate all of you being

1322
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:28,640
here today and look forward to
your testimony.

1323
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:31,400
Let me remind the witnesses that
we have read your written

1324
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:34,600
statements and they will appear
in full in the hearing record as

1325
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:36,600
may be seated.
Please limit your oral

1326
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:40,000
statements to 5 minutes.
As a reminder, please press the

1327
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:43,120
button in front of you so the
microphone is turned on so that

1328
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,560
everyone in the room, members
included, can hear you.

1329
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:48,760
When you begin to speak, the
light in front of you will turn

1330
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,680
green after 4 minutes.
The light will turn yellow when

1331
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,720
the red light comes on.
Your 5 minutes has expired and

1332
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:58,040
we would ask that you please
wrap it up So I will first

1333
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:00,760
recognize Rio.
Admiral Gallaudet to please

1334
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:08,320
begin your opening remarks.
OK, real quick, I'm going to

1335
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:11,920
play this video so that everyone
can see it.

1336
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:19,880
Give me a second.
This is how loud these Dang

1337
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:24,600
things are.
You playing yours?

1338
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,640
Yeah.
OK, I said.

1339
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:29,680
It's a couple.
All right, here we go.

1340
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:32,240
Oh, this is mine.
Oh it is.

1341
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:32,920
Oh.
Yeah.

1342
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:54,040
So there's no way you wouldn't
be able to hear that.

1343
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,920
Like that's crazy.
That's actually the exact same

1344
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,640
aircraft that the last video was
taken out of.

1345
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,680
Here's.
My video.

1346
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:14,080
Is that off to Detroit?
What's that?

1347
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,240
Is that from?
Is that from the Detroit?

1348
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,120
Medgar Evers.
Oh, OK, so that's watch it.

1349
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:22,840
Yeah.
Nice thing.

1350
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,480
Yeah, see, see, Danny's got a
point too, right?

1351
01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:28,280
Because there was a long time
where I thought that the whole

1352
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,440
Bin Laden raid was just a, a
fucking hoax to begin with.

1353
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:34,080
So now I'm like, damn, did did
it even happen, bro?

1354
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:36,760
Yeah.
Is he still alive, man?

1355
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:40,120
He was like ACIA agent or
something before and like.

1356
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:42,040
Yeah, they had to cover their.
Body in the ocean.

1357
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,560
Come on bro, he's.
Apple Bro, he's living with

1358
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:47,720
Jeffrey Epstein on another
island somewhere.

1359
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:53,080
Rough.
All right.

1360
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:58,800
Thank you, Chairwoman Mace,
Chairman Grothman, Ranking

1361
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,600
Members Connelly and Garcia, and
members of the committee.

1362
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:03,600
Thank you for this opportunity
to testify.

1363
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:06,480
Watching the Sean Ryan.
Or you.

1364
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,360
Podcast where he was on it, it
was awesome.

1365
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:12,600
Came to me in January of 2015
when I was serving as the

1366
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:14,840
commander of the Navy
Meteorology and Oceanography

1367
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:18,000
Command.
At the time my personnel were

1368
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:21,040
participating in a pre
deployment naval exercise off

1369
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:24,520
the US East Coast.
It included the USS Theodore

1370
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:28,200
Roosevelt Carrier Strike Group
and this exercise is overseen by

1371
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:31,360
the United States Fleet Forces
Command led by a four-star

1372
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:34,080
Admiral who at the time was also
my superior officer.

1373
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:36,520
During this exercise, I received
an.

1374
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:38,840
E-mail.
In the secure network from the

1375
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:42,200
Operations officer of US Fleet
Forces Command, the e-mail is

1376
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:45,080
addressed to all the subordinate
commanders and the subject line

1377
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:48,840
read in all capital letters.
Urgent safety of flight issue.

1378
01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:52,400
The text of the e-mail was brief
but alarming with words to the

1379
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:54,560
effect.
If any of you know what these

1380
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:58,000
are tell me ASAP.
We are having multiple near mid

1381
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,960
air collisions and if we do not
resolve this soon we are going

1382
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:02,600
to have to shut down the
exercise.

1383
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:07,040
Attached to the e-mail is what
is now known as the Go Fast

1384
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:10,360
video captured on the
forward-looking infrared sensor

1385
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:14,160
of one of the Navy F18 aircraft
participating in the exercise.

1386
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:18,200
The now declassified video
showed an unidentified object

1387
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:21,920
exhibiting flight and structural
characteristics unlike anything

1388
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:24,640
in our arsenal.
The implication of the e-mail

1389
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:27,000
was clear.
The author was asking whether

1390
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:30,040
any of the recipients were aware
of classified technology

1391
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:33,080
demonstrations, demonstrations
that could explain these

1392
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:35,720
objects.
Because the DoD policy is to

1393
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:39,400
rigorously deconflict such
demonstrations with live

1394
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:41,800
exercises, I was confident this
was not the case.

1395
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,800
The very next day, that e-mail
disappeared from my account and

1396
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,840
those of the other recipients
without explanation.

1397
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,680
Moreover, the Commander of Fleet
Forces Command and the

1398
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:55,800
Operations Officer never
discussed the subject, even

1399
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:58,880
during weekly meeting
specifically designed to address

1400
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,920
issues affecting exercises like
the one in which the Theodore

1401
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:03,800
Roosevelt Strike Group was
participating.

1402
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,480
This lack of follow up was very
concerning to me.

1403
01:21:07,480 --> 01:21:10,400
As the Navy's chief
meteorologist at the time, I was

1404
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:14,080
responsible for reducing safety
of flight risks, and it appeared

1405
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:17,160
to me that no one at the Flag
officer level was addressing the

1406
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:21,040
safety risk posed by UA PS.
Instead, pilots were left to

1407
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,920
mitigate these threats on their
own, without guidance or

1408
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,080
support.
I concluded that the UAP

1409
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:28,600
information must have been
classified within a special

1410
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,160
access program managed by an
intelligence agency.

1411
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:34,200
That is a compartment of program
that even senior officials,

1412
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:36,360
including myself, were not read
into.

1413
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,680
Last year's UAP hearing before
this Oversight Committee

1414
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:43,000
confirmed that UAP related
information is being withheld

1415
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,160
from senior officials and
members of Congress.

1416
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:48,720
And just this week, I learned
from former DoD official Chris

1417
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:52,560
Mellon that satellite imagery of
UAP from a few years ago still

1418
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:54,440
has not been shared with
Congress.

1419
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:58,800
Equally concerning, last year's
UAP hearing also revealed that

1420
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:01,320
elements of the government are
engaged in a disinformation

1421
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,640
campaign to include personal
attacks designed to discredit

1422
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,820
UAP whistleblowers.
Having never signed a non

1423
01:22:07,820 --> 01:22:10,480
disclosure agreement regarding
Uaps and now as a private

1424
01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:14,160
citizen, I've become an advocate
for greater UAP transparency

1425
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:17,360
from the government.
The continued over

1426
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:20,440
classification surrounding Uaps
has not only hindered our

1427
01:22:20,440 --> 01:22:23,160
ability to effectively address
these phenomena, but is also

1428
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:24,920
eroded trust in our
institutions.

1429
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:27,840
Well, I applaud previous
bipartisan legislation passed by

1430
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:31,920
Congress concerning UA PS.
A more comprehensive approach is

1431
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:35,160
needed to address the broader
implication of UAP on public

1432
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:38,400
safety and national security, as
well as the socio economic

1433
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:41,800
opportunities that open UAP
research could unlock.

1434
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:44,640
Therefore, I recommend Congress
take the following action, which

1435
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:47,160
I believe will receive
bipartisan support.

1436
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:49,840
First, establish robust
oversight of the executive

1437
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,760
branch's management of UAP
information by directing key

1438
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,880
officials, beginning with the
Director of the DOD's All Demand

1439
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:59,440
Anomaly Resolution Office, to
provide comprehensive briefings

1440
01:22:59,440 --> 01:23:02,520
on what the government knows
about UAP and does not know.

1441
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:06,320
Two, enact the provisions of the
UAP Disclosure Act and establish

1442
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:09,440
a UAP Records Review Board to
ensure independent oversight,

1443
01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:12,400
transparency, and accountability
in the government's handling of

1444
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,560
UAP information.
And three, strengthen the UAP

1445
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,920
Disclosure Act and future
reauthorizations with provisions

1446
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:21,560
that mandate a whole of
government approach to

1447
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:24,960
addressing UAP.
In closing, I'll share my

1448
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,200
personal reasons for speaking
out on this topic.

1449
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,400
First, as a former science
agency leader having led the

1450
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:33,560
National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration, I've always

1451
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:35,680
sought the truth in human
knowledge and thought.

1452
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:38,640
Now that we know UAP are
interacting with humanity, and

1453
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:41,440
these include unidentified
submerged objects in the ocean,

1454
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:45,040
we should not turn a blind eye,
but instead boldly face this new

1455
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:48,280
reality and learn from it.
Additionally, at a time when

1456
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:52,160
leaders and government leave
much to be desired, I feel

1457
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:54,960
obligated to show more
leadership on this issue of UAP

1458
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:57,680
disclosure by validating the
credibility of the courageous

1459
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:00,880
men and women who come out as
witnesses and whistleblowers to

1460
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,920
expose the truth.
My speaking out has encouraged

1461
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:07,600
others to do the same and it may
it's my it's my hope over time

1462
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:11,160
that a number of your
constituents will want to know

1463
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:14,560
the truth and about UAP and will
increase this number will

1464
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:17,560
increase to such an extent that
the congressional action I've

1465
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:19,400
just like.
Everyone behind him is wearing

1466
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:21,000
like business thank.
You and I look forward.

1467
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:23,200
To your questions and then thank
you and I'll recognize Mr.

1468
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:23,760
Elizondo.
For his.

1469
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:25,960
Open world, that part of his
house.

1470
01:24:26,480 --> 01:24:29,440
Greetings, Chairwoman Mace,
Chairman Rothman, Ranking

1471
01:24:29,440 --> 01:24:31,680
Members Connolly and Garcia, and
members of the committee.

1472
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,240
It is my honor and privilege to
testify before you on the issue

1473
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:38,200
of unidentified anomalous
phenomenon formerly known as

1474
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:40,720
UFOs.
On behalf of our brave men and

1475
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:43,800
women in uniform and across the
intelligence community, as well

1476
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:47,080
as my fellow Americans who have
awaited this day, thank you for

1477
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:48,800
your leadership on this
important matter.

1478
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:55,000
Let me be clear, UAP are real
advanced technologies not made

1479
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:57,480
by our government or any other
government are monitoring

1480
01:24:57,480 --> 01:24:59,400
sensitive military installations
around the globe.

1481
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,720
Furthermore, the US is in
possession of UAP technologies,

1482
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:06,480
as are some of our adversaries.
I believe we are in the midst of

1483
01:25:06,480 --> 01:25:11,160
a multi decade secretive arms
race, one funded by misallocated

1484
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:15,120
taxpayer dollars and hidden from
our elected representatives and

1485
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:18,160
oversight bodies.
For many years, I was entrusted

1486
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:20,200
with protecting some of our
nation's most sensitive

1487
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:22,760
programs.
In my last position, I managed a

1488
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,440
special access program on behalf
of the White House and the

1489
01:25:25,440 --> 01:25:28,960
National Security Council.
As such, I appreciate the need

1490
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,560
to protect certain sensitive
intelligence and military

1491
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:34,320
information.
I consider my oath to protect

1492
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:37,680
secrets as sacred, and I will
always put the safety of the

1493
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:40,880
American people first.
With that said, I also

1494
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:44,000
understand the consequences of
excessive secrecy and stove

1495
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,560
piping.
Nowhere was this more apparent

1496
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:50,520
than in the aftermath of 9/11,
which many of us remember all

1497
01:25:50,520 --> 01:25:53,200
too well.
I believe that America's

1498
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:57,760
greatness depends on three
elements, A a watchful Congress

1499
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:02,200
BA responsive executive Branch,
and C an informed public.

1500
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:05,520
Over the last decade and a half,
I learned that certain UAP

1501
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:08,400
programs were and are operating
without any of these elements.

1502
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,560
Although much of my government
work on the UAP subject still

1503
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:14,880
remains classified, excessive
secrecy has led to grave

1504
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:18,480
misdeeds against loyal civil
servants, military personnel,

1505
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:22,680
and the public, all to hide the
fact that we are not alone in

1506
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:25,800
the cosmos.
A small cadre within our own

1507
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,720
government involved in the UAP
topic has created a culture of

1508
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:32,000
suppression and intimidation
that I've personally been victim

1509
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,440
to, along with many of my former
colleagues.

1510
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,240
This includes unwarranted
criminal investigations,

1511
01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:40,440
harassment, and efforts to
destroy one's credibility.

1512
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:43,720
Most Americans would be shocked
to learn that the Pentagon's

1513
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:47,520
very own public affairs office
openly employ employs a

1514
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:50,920
professional Psychological
Operations Officer as the

1515
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:55,200
singular point of contact for
any UAP related inquiries from

1516
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:58,520
citizens and the media.
This is unacceptable.

1517
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,640
Many of my former colleagues and
I have provided classified

1518
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:04,680
testimony to both the Department
of Defense and the Intelligence

1519
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:07,800
Community Inspector General.
Many of us have subsequently

1520
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:11,680
been targeted by this cabal with
threats to our careers, our

1521
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:14,240
security clearances, and even
our lives.

1522
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:18,600
This is not hyperbole, but a
genuine fact, and this is wrong.

1523
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:21,880
To fix these problems, I
proposed 3 principal actions.

1524
01:27:22,440 --> 01:27:24,880
1st Congress and the President
should create a single point of

1525
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:28,120
contact responsible for a whole
of government approach to the

1526
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:31,040
UAP issue.
Currently, the White House, CIA,

1527
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:34,520
NASA, the Pentagon, Department
of Energy, and others play a

1528
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:37,600
role, but no one seems to be in
charge, leading to unchecked

1529
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:41,560
power and corruption. 2nd, we
need a national UAP strategy

1530
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:43,920
that will promote transparency
and help restore the American

1531
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:47,120
public's trust at a time when
the public's trust is at an all

1532
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:49,800
time low.
This strategy should include a

1533
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:52,240
whole of government approach,
including the academic and

1534
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:55,200
scientific communities, the
private sector, and our

1535
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:58,040
international partners and
allies. 3rd Congress should

1536
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:01,000
create a protected environment
so whistleblowers desperate to

1537
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,240
do the right thing can come
forward without fear.

1538
01:28:03,480 --> 01:28:06,200
As it currently stands, these
whistleblowers suffer because of

1539
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:09,680
stigma, a code of silence, and
concerns about retaliation.

1540
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:12,320
These whistleblowers should be
encouraged to come forward in

1541
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:15,480
ways that protect them against
any forms of retaliation.

1542
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,680
Policies and procedures should
ensure that protection and for

1543
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:21,440
those who refuse to cooperate,
is up to the members of this

1544
01:28:21,440 --> 01:28:24,120
committee and the other
lawmakers to wield their

1545
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:27,280
subpoena power against hostile
witnesses and prevents

1546
01:28:27,440 --> 01:28:30,720
additional government funding to
those UAP efforts that remain

1547
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:32,440
hidden from congressional
oversight.

1548
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:35,960
In closing, we as Americans have
never been afraid of a

1549
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:37,880
challenge.
In fact, we thrive on them.

1550
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:41,680
Whether it's eradicating polio
or going to the moon, we don't

1551
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:44,200
run from a challenge.
We take it head on to the

1552
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:45,920
incoming administration in
Congress.

1553
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:49,680
I say to you, we need immediate
public transparency, and this

1554
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:51,840
hearing is an important step on
that journey.

1555
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:55,520
If we approach the UAP topic in
the same way as we have as

1556
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:58,760
Americans have met other
challenges, we can restore our

1557
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:00,640
faith in our government
institutions.

1558
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,040
Together, we can usher in a new
era of accountable government

1559
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:08,040
and scientific discovery.
I believe that we as Americans

1560
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:12,000
can handle the truth, and I also
believe the world deserves the

1561
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:14,600
truth.
Thank you, esteemed members of

1562
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:18,360
Congress, for your time today.
It is profoundly appreciated by

1563
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:19,640
many.
Thank you I.

1564
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:27,560
I say we wrap it up here and
continue on because I got to go

1565
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:29,880
to bed.
Yeah, yeah.

1566
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:35,320
That's, that's a good call.
We're we're we're only 1/5 of

1567
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:40,720
the way through.
Looks like this is our Patreon

1568
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:43,560
episodes I suppose.
Well, this this is where it's

1569
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:46,440
going to start getting good the
questions I think, right.

1570
01:29:46,480 --> 01:29:49,040
This is where, you know, all the
the little 5 minute opening

1571
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:50,640
statements like everybody says
the same shit.

1572
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:53,400
Like we, you know, yeah, they
just virtue signal as what

1573
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:54,360
politicians do.
But.

1574
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:56,400
Yeah.
Well, I mean, worst case

1575
01:29:56,400 --> 01:30:00,440
scenario, we have to move the
Murfreesboro monster to after

1576
01:30:00,440 --> 01:30:03,920
the new year.
It's not a big deal.

1577
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:06,840
All right, cool.
All right.

1578
01:30:07,440 --> 01:30:09,640
We'll do the thing.
All right, everybody.

1579
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:12,680
Well, that has been another
episode of the Infinite Rabbit

1580
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:14,280
Hole podcast.
Are we still on for tomorrow?

1581
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:17,000
Tomorrow night, guys.
Yeah, I could do it tomorrow.

1582
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,800
OK, that has been another
episode of the Infinite Rabbit

1583
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:24,640
Hole Podcast.
We are your host, Jeremy, Jake

1584
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:31,040
and Jeff, and we'll see you back
here tomorrow if you're on the

1585
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:32,760
live chat.
If not, we'll see you next week

1586
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:37,200
right here in this fork in the
path of the infinite rabbit

1587
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:38,560
hole.
Bye everybody.

1588
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:43,640
Oh real quick, I will be making
an episode where I read out the

1589
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:47,520
entirety of the Immaculate
Consolation document, so watch

1590
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:50,920
out for our Patreon for that.
Yes, yes.

1591
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:56,640
If you are, if you are a Patreon
member, patron if you will,

1592
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:03,080
you'll be able to listen to the
entire document in Jake's

1593
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:06,280
succulent voice.
Succulent.

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01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:09,040
I heard.
There's even GET.

1595
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:11,520
Nice music behind it and
everything for.

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01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:13,760
You everything.
Wow, everything.

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01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:16,440
Yep, no reason to do it in a
bikini.

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01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:20,800
All right, everybody have a good
night all.

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Right later.
Hey everybody, thanks for

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checking out the Infinite Rabbit
Hole podcast.

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If you're looking for more of
our stuff, head on over to

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infiniterabbithole.com where you
can find links to all the

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podcast players that we are
available on and even our video

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platforms such as TikTok and
YouTube.

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While you're there, make sure to
check out all the links for our

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socials and hit that follow so
you know when all the new stuff

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01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:52,120
from our podcast comes out.
And until next time, travelers,

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01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:55,840
we'll see you right here in the
next fork in the path of the

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01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:57,760
Infinite Rabbit hole.
Goodbye.