193. Nov. '24 Congressional UAP Hearing Part 2

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Welcome back to The Infinite
Rabbit Hole.

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I'm your host Jeremy, and today
we're going to dive into Part 2

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of our coverage on November
13th, 2024's congressional

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hearing on UAP disclosure.
Yesterday, if you're in the live

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chat, we did Part 1 where we
dove into first 30 minutes of

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the live stream from Congress
and we're going to look at some

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more tonight.
I, I don't think we're going to

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do a part three, no matter how
far we get into the video.

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I think this is going to kind of
just be it.

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So, yeah, it is what it is.
I can tell you I did watch the

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last hour and a half of it on my
own.

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And a lot of it is just the same
questions in in different order.

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It's, that's really what it was.
But we do get some good stuff

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here in the next 30 minutes that
we'll cover tonight.

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We'll stop periodically to talk
about it and put out some of our

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personal feels and and ideas.
Before we do that, I do have to

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announce that we are Jeffless
right now.

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He could be coming back in here
shortly.

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We don't know.
We had him in the green room

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when we were getting ready to go
live and he backed out.

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And yeah, so when he does get
back in here, if you're in the

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live chat, Boo him.
Boo him hard.

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Let him know how disgruntled you
are.

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Tell him you want a a refund of
not money but time and hold him

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accountable.
Take him to small claims court.

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That's what I would do
personally.

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Yeah, show you Jacob.
What's up dude?

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Just waiting on Jeff, you know,
as always.

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Right, it's been a while since
it's been just US 2.

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Yeah, no, I don't know.
I'm looking forward to hearing

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that, the big reveal of the
thing that you're thinking

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about, that you are really
unwilling to say because you

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want to wait for the episode to
play.

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So we'll see.
We can, we can kind of talk

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about that right now, actually.
So going through right yesterday

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we had the the congressional
hearing and I didn't get to

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watch the whole thing.
So I went back and watched it

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today, just kind of, you know,
absorbed it all, listened and

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had some time to think about
what they were talking about

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because a lot of the people out
there on social media seem to be

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pretty disappointed with it.
And at the end of it all, I can

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also say, you know, obviously I
felt a little disappointed with

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it too.
But what did you actually think

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that we were going to get from
this?

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Did you think that we were going
to get somebody to come forward

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and say, hey, yes, they do
exist?

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Well, we did, right?
It just wasn't from the mouth

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that you wanted it from.
You know, a lot of people were

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expecting like an official thing
where, I don't know, there was a

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disclaimer or a seal of approval
with this statement, but it it

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just wasn't ever going to be
that way, right?

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We did get multiple people that
came forward and said, yes, we

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do have biological intelligences
controlling whatever these

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things are in the skies that
we're seeing that are chasing

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down nuclear carriers and
nuclear submarines of our Navy

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and the Navy's worldwide, as
well as going into military

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facilities, especially nuclear
ones like the Maelstrom Air

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Force Base in in Montana and
shutting down their nuclear

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reactors.
Then I can't remember what his

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name was, but it was he was the
Admiral.

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That's on that the the four
people sitting up front there

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being questioned by Congress.
He talked a lot about these

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things coming out of the water
and even had made mention at one

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point.
And we'll, I think we do get to

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that here today within the next
30 minutes of this video.

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He talked about how nations
worldwide, not just the United

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States, have this evidence.
They have videos, they have

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pictures, they have digital
recordings, you know, all, all

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sorts of of information
stockpiled away of, of what we

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see.
And then there was even a

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mention of how the Gimbal Go
fast.

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And what was the third one?
Jake, do you remember Gimbal Go

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Fast.
Tic Tac.

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Tic tac video, thank you.
Those things are damn near 20

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years old already, did you know
that?

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I didn't, but that's what they
said.

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So when we got those, you know,
when we talked about that very,

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very early in this, this
podcast, which was fucked almost

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four years ago now, those were
already 10 years old at the

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time.
So I mean, I think we're closer

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to 15 years old.
But you know, they did, they did

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throw around the the 20 mark
during this congressional

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hearing.
But you know, even they said

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that's what the technology that
we had 20 years ago, not with

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what the technology we have now.
And then another guy made a

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really good point saying, and
this was one of the the

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scientists that's up there and
we're going to meet him here

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very soon.
But he also said something along

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the lines of we don't have the
right tools or we're not using

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the right tools to be able to
track these things.

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So when you see the gimbal go
fast and tic tac videos, you're

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looking at that through weaponry
on U.S. military aircraft.

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You know, where as if we're
looking at something, let's say

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I think the example he used was
something out in space, right?

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A moon on on Jupiter or or
nebula out in space, you're

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going to use a a telescope
specifically made for that.

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Well, if we're trying to track
ballistic missiles coming into

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US airspace or up in the the air
when we're flying in dog fights,

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we're going to be using the
stuff that we caught this these

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these videos on.
Oh, oh.

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Look who it is.
Oh holy shit, everybody Boo this

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fucking man.
Boo him, Boo.

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Boo.
Well.

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He looks.
Oh.

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My gosh, Jeff's sassy today.
Damn sassy.

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Let me tell.
You let me just I got a vent to

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the people real quick.
OK, let me just say this out

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loud to the Internet and
hopefully somebody who works at

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Apple fucking hears this shit.
Tell me how I can use my iPhone

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as a camera on APC.
Boom, no fucking problem.

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I plug iPhone into a Mac,
doesn't want to fucking work.

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Riddle me this shit, Batman.
Cuz screw you, that's why.

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That's what that's is.
Because you know, because you

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know, brand loyalty is fucking
important and all right, Mac,

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Right, Apple, you fucking
idiots.

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Yeah, yeah.
I mean.

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They want to get.
They want to get you to buy a

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Android phone to use it on the
Mac.

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They can fucking fuck right off.
Come on man, use that space

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between your ears bro.
Sorry guys, man, that I was

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here, I could hear I had audio
and shit.

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It's just damn.
You can hear us talking mad shit

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about you.
No, I don't.

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I don't give a shit about you
talking shit about me, bro.

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You're.
You do look at how mad you are.

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You're not even look at.
How mad he is.

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He's so mad.
He's just mad because I'm taller

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than him.
You're just part of the

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simulator.
You're an MPC bro you're fine.

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Maybe you're an NPC.
You're the mad angry NPC on

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GTA5.
The guy that's cussing at

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himself walking down the street
and just Dome with a baseball

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bat.
You got to eat that, Snickers.

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You turn into a real drama queen
when you're hungry.

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It's a Snickers ice cream bar.
Well, even still, you turn into

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a real diva that can't figure
out electronics when you're

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hungry.
I finished the hearing.

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OK, well, good.
Yeah.

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So anyways.
Jeremy's been ranting about what

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the people haven't heard yet.
Yeah, because what, whatever,

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wherever we stop tonight, I I
think this is all we're going to

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do.
We're not going to drag this

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along because the back end of
it, like I was just telling

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everybody is basically the same
questions in different orders.

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They're just people asking the
same questions but with

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different verbiage.
So there, there really isn't

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much to miss.
There are a few really good

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questions at the end, but even
the really good ones are met

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with the answer.
We're going to need to talk

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about that in a close hearing or
I, I can't talk about that so.

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Or I won't give them my sources,
things like that.

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That that was another one too,
because one of the guys is like,

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well, what's your source?
We know your source is in the

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Department of Defense.
Is that correct?

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And he's like, well, I can't
give up my sources.

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And he's like, it's the entire
Department of Defense, bro, Yes

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or no?
Like it's huge.

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It's too big.
Yeah, he's like, I'm not gonna

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narrow it down.
He literally said I'm not gonna

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narrow down the universe in
which, yeah, my witness or, you

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know, whatever.
Yeah, like come on.

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So, but, but like I was saying,
this guy had made a really good

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point about how we're using
technology that's not made for

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tracking UAPSUF OS.
We're, we're using technology

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used for weaponry to track this
stuff.

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And of course we're going to
have issues with it.

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Of course it's not going to be
able to stay up for with it

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because we, we're not using the
right technology.

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We're not using technology for
this purpose, just as if we

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wouldn't use a, a, a microscope
to look at a, a planet, right?

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We would use a telescope because
that's the right tool to use.

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Well, we shouldn't be using
Fleer to track craft that are

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flying, you know, mock whatever,
and turning at a 90° angle

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without causing any structural
damage whatsoever.

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So anyways, now that we have
Jeffrey here, we can finally hit

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play and get going.
Unless you guys had anything

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else to put out.
Fuck Apple.

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But I think, I think the the big
one, Jake, to answer your

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question about what I really
want to talk about is how a lot

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of people are walking away from
this saying that they are

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convinced that what their truck,
what these four men are trying

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to put out, mainly the Admiral
is trying to put out is that

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these things come from the
ocean.

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And I think that's super
interesting.

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Indeed.
Yeah.

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Ready.
Yeah, go for it.

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All right.
There we go.

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Ask unanimous consent.
Who to ask, because we don't

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know.
Where to go?

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Next SO.
It jumped.

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Back to the. 35 minute mark you.
Get head on to the incoming

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administration in Congress.
I say to you, we need immediate

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public transparency, and this
hearing is an important step on

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that journey.
If we approach the UAP topic in

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the same way as we of as
Americans have met other

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challenges, we can restore our
faith in our government

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institutions.
Together, we can usher in a new

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era of accountable government
and scientific discovery.

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I believe that we as Americans
can handle the truth, and I also

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believe the world deserves the
truth.

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Thank you, esteemed members of
Congress, for your time today.

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It is profoundly appreciated by
many.

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Thank you.
I ask unanimous consent for

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Representatives Ogles of
Tennessee and Beaubert of

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Colorado to be waived onto the
subcommittee for today's joint

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subcommittee hearing for the
purpose of asking questions

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without objection.
So ordered.

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I would now like to recognize
Mr. Shellenberger for his

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introductory remarks.
Chairwoman Mace, Chairman

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Grothman, Ranking Member
Connelly, Ranking Member Garcia,

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members of the subcommittee's,
thank you for inviting my

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testimony.
One of Congress's most important

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responsibilities is oversight of
the executive branch in general

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and the military and
intelligence community in

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particular.
Unfortunately, there is a

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growing body of evidence that
the US government is not being

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transparent about what it knows
about unidentified anomalous

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phenomena and that elements
within the military in the IC

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are in violation of their
constitutional duty to notify

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Congress of their operations.
President-elect Donald Trump and

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former President Barack Obama
have both said that the

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government has information about
UA PS that it has not released

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current.
There are other explanations for

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UA PS then that they represent a
new form of life or non human

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life.
Current dominant alternative

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theories, including those put
forward by Arrow, are that UA PS

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are some kind of natural
phenomena we don't yet

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understand, like ball lightning
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They could also be part of some
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weapons programs.
Such as drums, aircraft.

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CGI hoaxes or birds?
Whatever UA PS are, Congress

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must be informed as, as must,
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We have a right to know what UA
PS are, no matter what they are.

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However, we now have existing
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officials who have told Congress
that Arrow and the Pentagon have

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broken the law by not revealing
a significant body of

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information about UA PS,
including military intelligence

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databases that have evidence of
their existence as physical

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craft.
One of those individuals is a

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current or former U.S.
government official acting as a

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UAP whistleblower.
This person has written a

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report.
This is the report that says the

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executive branch has been
managing UAPNHI issues without

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congressional knowledge,
oversight, or authorization for

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some time, quite possibly
decades.

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Furthermore, these individuals
have revealed the name of an

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active and highly secretive DoD
unacknowledged Special Access

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Program or Use APP.
The source of that document told

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Public ME that the USE APP is a
strategic intelligence program

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that is part of the US military
family of long standing highly

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sensitive programs and with
various aspects of the UAP

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problem.
The new UAP whistleblower claims

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that the US military and IC
database includes videos and

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images taken using infrared,
forward-looking infrared, full

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motion video, and still
photography.

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The report that was just shared
with Congress says Immaculate

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Constellation serves as a
central or parent use app that

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consolidated observations of UA
PS by both tasked and untasked

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collection platforms.
Immaculate Constellation

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includes high quality imagery,
intelligence and measurement and

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signature intelligence of UA PS.
The whistleblowers report adds

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the sources of this intelligence
are a blend of directed and

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incidental collection
capacities, capabilities,

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position in low Earth orbit, the
upper atmosphere, as well as

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military and civilian aviation
altitudes and marine time

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environments.
The report to Congress details

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in detail various UA PS
including spheres, orbs, discs,

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saucers, ovals, triangles,
boomerang, Arrowhead and

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irregular Organic.
Report describes various

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incidents found in the human
intelligence databases.

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One involved orb surrounding and
forcing an F22 out of its patrol

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area.
In another incident, the crew of

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a Navy aircraft carrier watched
the small orange red sphere

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rapidly descend from a high
altitude of 100 two 100 yards

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directly above the flight deck
of of the CVN or aircraft

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carrier.
And since my reporting on this

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Immaculate constellation last
month, another source came

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forward.
He told me that they saw a

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roughly 13 minute long, high
definition, full color video of

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a white orb UAP coming out of
the ocean approximately 20 miles

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off the coast of Kuwait.
It was filmed from a helicopter.

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Then halfway through the video,
the person said the orb is

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joined by another orb that
briefly comes into the frame

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from the left before rapidly
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The person discovered the video
on SIPPER, the Secure Internet

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Protocol Router network, which
the DoD uses to transmit

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classified information.
A leading UAP researcher who

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utilizes the Freedom of
Information Act to find out what

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the government knows.
John Greenwald told me last year

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that the US government had been
increasingly denying his respect

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his request for UAP information.
He's been doing FOIA request for

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27 years and has an archive of
3,000,000 pages.

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The government has for decades
denied any interest in UFOs.

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He told me that the documents
that he has assembled show that

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behind the scenes it was a
completely different story.

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Contrary to the hopes of many
advocates of transparency, the

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government has been restricting
more information since the leak

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of three UAP videos in 2017.
The DoD organization Arrow has

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been labeling many documents
with AB7 exemption, which

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Greenwald says does not make any
sense.

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They're stating that anything
Arrow does is involved in law

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enforcement investigation, which
allows Arrow to not release it.

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Greenwald says the DoD has
denied the existence of a UAP

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and H IP related records on
multiple occasions.

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Only to the first, all of them
happening in about 10 minutes.

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This man in March 2022 stated
they found no additional UAP

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videos.
It seems strange that they had

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three and only those 3.
But other quests have been filed

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by the Black Vault.
That's John Greenwald's group to

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seek out more places UA PS might
be hiding.

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Then in September 2022, the Navy
admitted that the UAP related

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videos and photographs existed,
but denied the request in full

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for their release, saying that
the requested videos contain

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sensitive information that are
classifying exempt from

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disclosure.
The DoD will deny things on a

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Monday and then admit to it on a
Friday, said Greenwald.

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He said the government can and
does release videos that protect

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secret methods of capturing it.
They fall back on the sensitive

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platform.
Excuse a lot.

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He said.
However, the on screen

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information can be blurred and
scrubbed.

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The metadata can be removed.
I'll show you this example here.

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This is a presentation from the
UATP Task Force.

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This is completely absurd.
It's nuts, this level of of

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censorship, of redaction on a
document.

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It shows the redaction of how
many reports they've collected

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for how many years.
Two of the three potential

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explanations are blacked out.
The Pentagon, the intelligence

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community, is treating us like
children.

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It's time for us to know the
truth about this.

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I think that we can handle it.
Thank you very much.

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Thank you.
I would now like to recognize

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Mr. Gold for five.
I mean, he's got a point, right?

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Yeah.
I mean, time, time to take off

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the Kitty gloves.
Let's let's let's dive in.

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Go ahead Hefei, I know you got
something.

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Not, not really.
I mean like I was, as I was

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saying in the chat, I know like
the first when she's when

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whatever this chick's name is, I
forget, she starts Miss Mace.

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Miss Mace, right.
She goes to the first couple

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questions and the first couple
answers were just straight up

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like, I can't answer that or I
can't answer that here, or I

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can't answer that now, right?
Or like, I won't, I won't.

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Answer that, yeah.
And I was just laughing

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listening to that earlier.
I was like, of course you can't

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right?
Like, and it's, it's funny

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because it came right after, I
don't know what 30 or 40 minutes

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of straight up all of these
people.

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Like this is super important for
all of this to.

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Right.
Right.

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Well, I know that there, there
was a couple of senators that

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came forward over the last week
or two and said that they need

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to somehow create legislation
for protection of these

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whistleblowers because right now
they technically don't have

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protection apparently is what
I'm hearing today.

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But if you go on X and you go to
some of the, the senators that

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were part of this, you go to
their X pages or Twitter pages,

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whatever your fancy, you'll see
that a lot of them are calling

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for protection for these people
so that they can say things to

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the public.
So I don't know.

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I, I definitely think that we're
going to have some more hearings

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in the future.
And I think that you, we're

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going to see some legislation
pushed forward for some

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protection for these people.
And I, I, I hope they get it

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honestly.
Yeah, yeah.

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I mean that to me, that seems
like the only thing about this

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that might be like a positive
really, I guess because to me it

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seems like they're just doing a
whole lot of of just like

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nothing.
Yeah, it's just a whole lot of

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like, hype feels like.
That's like, why even be there?

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Why even be there right?
Because what what was the last

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120 21 right?
It was like 3 years ago so and

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same thing happened then, right?
There was all this like oh we

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can talk about it in a closed
session.

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OK, well, did you?
And what of it?

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Have you heard anything from
Grush at all since then?

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No, that's the point.
Yeah.

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So it's like, OK, so they take
these guys into a closed room

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after this and they talk more
and they whatever and then then

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what?
They don't hear from them ever

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again.
That I see is that like we're

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getting the little glimpse we're
getting the public glimpse of of

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them basically saying like, hey
look there is some weird shit

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happening right and that's as
far as it's ever going to go

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because as soon as they do get
access behind closed doors to

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whatever they need access to
they're immediately going to be

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like, oh cut that off to the
public right so I I think it'll

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stay secret forever and this is
just like us getting a little

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hint like yeah we are doing some
shit so you.

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Know what?
You know what really pissed me

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off during this is the amount of
people who were in double

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meetings during this.
Yeah, like you had some senators

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or whoever they are congressmen
that were rushing back and you

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can hear them winded behind the
microphone.

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They're like, oh, sorry.
I just.

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I was double booked for
meetings.

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I had to run over here real
quick in order to get my.

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Questions in my My governor was
here.

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I just had to do a meeting real
quick.

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Yeah, the guy, the guy right at
the end.

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And then he asked the same
questions as everyone else was

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just asking.
And it's like, man, you know,

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it'll be Yeah, well, I think
some of them do there.

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There were a couple, there were
a couple of these congressmen

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who who were pretty
straightforward, like, hey,

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there's something happened.
We need to figure this shit out.

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Let's stop the bullshit now.
I like that.

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For sure, for sure.
But I, I think that the, the

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like, talk of it, you know, like
letting the public know that's

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not, that's just them talking,
right?

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That's not going to happen.
Because even if they do, like I

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said, they get the data, even if
all the data that the DoD or

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whoever has it gets released to
them and, and like they get to

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go through it and do all their
analyzing or whatever, like then

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it's not going to come out to
us, not like anything soon.

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Right.
Yeah, I hear it.

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Maybe we'll get like a new video
or two, you know?

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Just like you said yesterday,
like even if it was like a

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meteor is about to strike the
earth, they're not going to say

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anything because they want to
have the roads clear to save

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themselves and their families
and let everyone else die.

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True.
Yeah.

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It doesn't matter.
The public doesn't matter.

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Yeah, that's how I feel about
it.

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But anyways, yeah, we can keep
riding through this.

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Let's do it.
Minutes.

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Thank you, Chairwoman Mace,
Chairman Groffman, Ranking

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Members Connelly and Garcia,
Representative Moskowitz, and

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distinguished members of both
subcommittees.

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I'm grateful to all of you, as
well as your intrepid staff for

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the opportunity to testify and
would like to begin by

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discussing courage.
Courage is what I see in front

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of me.
Spoiler alert, that's all henna.

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For my introduction, I'm
currently the Chief Growth

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Officer at Red Wire Space and
I've had several leadership

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positions at NASA.
That being said, I want to be

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clear that I'm speaking
exclusively on my own behalf and

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not for Red Wired, NASA or any
other organization.

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However, I am here.
To these people just sitting on

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science like a Pew behind him,
they're just shoulder to

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shoulder needed me.
Elected without bias or

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prejudice, yet whenever the top
they're.

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Pretty scrunched in there,
aren't they?

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Those who wish to.
Explore.

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The phenomena are often
confronted with resistance and

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ridicule.
For example, members of the NASA

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UAP independent Study team,
particularly those.

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Anatoms back there.
Were mocked and even threatened

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for they just.
Throw up the heart signal.

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Temerity to engage in the study
of UAP.

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Our best tool for unlocking the
mystery of UAP.

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Is.
But we cannot conduct a proper

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inquiry if the stigma is so
overwhelming that just daring to

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be part of a NASA research team
elicits such a vitriolic

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response.
Therefore, one of the most

456
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:41,960
important actions that can be
taken relative to exposing the

457
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,080
truth of UAP is to combat the
stigma.

458
00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:48,560
And this is where I believe that
NASA can be eminently helpful.

459
00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:52,400
The NASA brand is synonymous
with hope, optimism, and

460
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,400
credibility.
If you were to take a walk down

461
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,200
the National Mall, you would
immediately see the NASA logo

462
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,480
and T-shirts, hats, and bumper
stickers.

463
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,800
Few federal agencies enjoy this
kind of popularity.

464
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,480
I've never seen anyone wearing
an Office of Personnel

465
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,240
Management T-shirt, which is why
NASA could play such an

466
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,720
influential role.
Specifically, NASA could, with

467
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:18,560
relatively little cost and
effort, host symposium on UAP or

468
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,600
even just participate in
existing panels examining the

469
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,560
topic.
NASA personnel stepping forward

470
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,320
and participating in such
discussions would make a

471
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,600
powerful statement to the
scientific community that UAP

472
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,440
seriously.
More my lies tonight.

473
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,720
In regard to research, NASA has
vast archives, much of which may

474
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,560
contain important UAP data.
Again, for relatively little

475
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,120
cost and effort, NASA could
create an AI or ML algorithm

476
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,800
that could search the agency's
archives for anomalous

477
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,040
phenomena.
I suspect that such an effort

478
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,560
would not only result in
information that will help us to

479
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,640
understand UAP, but could result
in data that will assist in

480
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,440
other areas of scientific
inquiry, such as anomalous

481
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,040
weather or meteorite activity.
Beyond its existing archives,

482
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,280
NASA could act as a clearing
house for civilian and

483
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,920
commercial UAP data.
During my work on the UAP

484
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,920
Independent Study Team, it
quickly became evident that

485
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,760
there is no clear or well
publicized process for civilian

486
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,600
pilots to report UAP sightings.
The stigma associated with UAP

487
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,000
hampers the number of pilots
that would report such

488
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,200
phenomena, but even for those
who overcome the stigma, I

489
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,560
believe the current FAA guidance
is largely unknown and poorly

490
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,360
understood.
In order to effectively collect

491
00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:35,640
UAP data, the Independent Study
Team recommended the use of

492
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,760
NASA's Aviation Safety Reporting
System, or ASRS.

493
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,600
This system, which is
administered by NASA and funded

494
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,800
by the FAA, provides a
confidential means for reporting

495
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,280
of safety violations in a
voluntary and non punitive

496
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,040
manner.
Over 47 years, the ASRS has

497
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,000
collected nearly 2 million
reports.

498
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,000
ASRS is the perfect tool to
collect UAP data, which could

499
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,480
then be collated by NASA and
shared with the public at large.

500
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,520
Leveraging AS Rs could create a
treasure trove of UAP data,

501
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,760
potentially hundreds of
thousands of reports supporting

502
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,640
this hearings goal of exposing
the.

503
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,680
Truth and I'm.
Grateful to our two Co chairs

504
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,160
and other members who have
already incorporated this idea

505
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,080
into proposed legislation at
this hearing.

506
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:22,920
And as others have demonstrated,
the UAP issue is justifiably

507
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,320
dominated by national security
and defense.

508
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,560
However, I would urge the
subcommittee's to keep in mind

509
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,760
the numerous ways that NASA and
the FAA, as well as commercial

510
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,240
activities in the air, in space,
and in the water can generate a

511
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,720
massive amount of invaluable
data on anomalous phenomena.

512
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,160
I cannot help but be excited by
the potential for such an

513
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,240
endeavour, since scientific
discovery is driven by

514
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,760
anomalies.
It's the existence and study of

515
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,840
anomalies that led to the theory
of relativity, quantum

516
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,440
mechanics, and nearly all of
humanity scientific

517
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,160
breakthroughs.
This is why the study of UA PS

518
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,520
should be embraced, since
whatever is occurring, the

519
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,000
chance to garner new knowledge
should never be ignored.

520
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,880
We must be thorough and
collecting information, fearless

521
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,880
and making conclusions, and open
to following the data, no matter

522
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,400
how mundane or extraordinary the
results may be.

523
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,680
I began this testimony by
praising the Joint Subcommittee

524
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,640
members for their courage, and I
will end by echoing that

525
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,640
sentiment.
As the saying goes, the truth is

526
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,120
out there.
We just need to be bold enough

527
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,480
and brave enough to face it.
Thank you.

528
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,680
Philly I'm.
Ready to go Spartan kick

529
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,160
somebody?
I don't think that utilizing

530
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,640
NASA to get the information out
there is going to convince

531
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:47,280
people that it's true.
I wouldn't trust NASA as far as

532
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,080
I could grab a space shuttle and
throw it because I watched the

533
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,080
green screen effects from all
the freaking, all the

534
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,040
International Space Station
videos and all that sort of

535
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,080
crap.
And I'm just like, yeah, I'm, I,

536
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,760
I don't trust them at all with
that sort of divulging of

537
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,080
information.
Yeah.

538
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,520
No, thank you.
Yeah, you already know how I

539
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,400
feel about that.
We know that you love them.

540
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,440
Yeah, man, I'm a huge fan of an
acid dude.

541
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,000
I'm such a huge fan that I
decided to live in the same town

542
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,960
so I can, you know, visit and
explore Kennedy Space Center and

543
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:22,920
that kind of thing.
It's great.

544
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,080
It's excellent.
Yeah, flashes.

545
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,240
Launches, launches right here
all the time.

546
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:33,400
It's all it's amazing.
That's it.

547
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,760
That's a great question.
Favorite.

548
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,160
Oh yeah, very Canadian.
That's so thin.

549
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,760
Can you guys hear my chair
massaging me right now?

550
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,120
No.
Can you hear my dog and wife

551
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,200
bashing the floor above me?
No, I don't hear.

552
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,440
That OK, that's good.
All right.

553
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:55,840
You ready to get into the
questioning?

554
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let's go.

555
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:00,680
Thank you.
Thank you all.

556
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,120
I will now recognize myself for
5 minutes of questioning.

557
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,560
I have a lot of questions and I
have a lot of witnesses, so I

558
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,120
would just ask if it's yes or no
to please just tell me yes or

559
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,240
no.
If it requires more than that,

560
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,640
be very succinct because I would
like to go down the line and ask

561
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,840
as many questions as possible.
So for the Admiral this morning,

562
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,120
first, former DoD official Chris
Mellon reached out to you about

563
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,120
satellite imagery from 2017 that
depicts a UAP.

564
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,480
What were the dates in 2017 when
this occurred?

565
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,240
I can't share with you the
details ma'am, but I can do it

566
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,320
in the closed setting and I can
also tell you the agency that

567
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:35,960
wrote one of.
Them.

568
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,160
OK, so who has the imagery?
I can tell you that in the

569
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,280
closed setting.
Can you?

570
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,560
Describe what was depicted.
In the battery.

571
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,120
Imagery.
Just a description.

572
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,240
It was a UAP ma'am.
That's it.

573
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,040
No other description.
The the the term that the

574
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,840
analysts used, they call it the
button.

575
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,920
It was a.
It was a disk shaped object.

576
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,200
OK, where was it?
I can't tell you that, man.

577
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,040
OK.
All right, Elizondo, you stayed

578
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,280
in your testimony that quote
advanced goes on earth not by

579
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,360
our government or any other.
Government, the guy are.

580
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,320
Monitoring sensitive military
installations around the globe.

581
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,800
End Quote.
If these technologies are not

582
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,520
made by any government, who's
making them?

583
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,680
Private companies?
Or are you implying they are

584
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,560
crafted by a non human
intelligence?

585
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,840
Well, ma'am, that's precisely
why we're here.

586
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,600
The problem is that temporarily
speaking, over decades, not just

587
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,960
the last 10 years before, to put
this in perspective.

588
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,880
Are these private companies
you're implying or is this non

589
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,440
human intelligence?
It may be both.

590
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,960
When it comes to Blue Forest
technologies, I would not be

591
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,400
able to discuss.
OK, are you read into secret UAP

592
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,680
crash retrieval programs?
We would have to have a

593
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,160
conversation in a closed
session.

594
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,320
Ma'am, I signed documentation 3
years ago that restricts my

595
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,640
ability to discuss specifically
crash retrievals.

596
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,080
I submitted for my book through
the doctor process which took a

597
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,960
year for it to be reviewed and
what is in the book is what I

598
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:01,400
was told I'm allowed to talk
about.

599
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,160
Has the government conducted
secret UAP crash retrieval

600
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,080
programs?
Yes or no?

601
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,320
Yes.
OK Were they designed to

602
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,880
identify and reverse engineer
alien craft yesterday?

603
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,160
Yes.
Does the US government have any

604
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,000
I.
Have it on order right now.

605
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,240
Should we ask a?
Question about retrieval

606
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,280
programs.
Do any US contractors have the

607
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,040
same?
I would prefer to address in a

608
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,360
closed session ma'am.
See.

609
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,040
OK, pause.
In your book, you mentioned

610
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,640
government employees who've been
injured by Uaps Place.

611
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,440
Pause it.
He he pause it.

612
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,480
He OK, First he deflected.
OK, I just want to point this

613
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,800
out.
He deflected like the Admiral

614
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,680
did a couple times, right?
Then he answered a couple

615
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,600
questions directly and quickly,
without even thinking right.

616
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:48,120
Yep, Yep.
Then she asked do contractors

617
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,880
have this?
Then he said close setting.

618
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,520
Yep this is what I've been
talking about bro.

619
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,520
It's not the governments and
shit man it's it's a breakaway

620
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,080
group of it's a faction of Dick
heads who have the technology.

621
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,240
Yeah.
Factions of Dick heads.

622
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,640
Right.
I don't even think it's the

623
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,040
contractors.
I think it's like former

624
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,960
contractors, right?
It's like that's it.

625
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,159
I don't know.
But yeah, that to me is just

626
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:16,679
interesting.
You you can keep going if you

627
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,600
want or if you've got something
to say about that, but.

628
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,480
No, no, I think the.
Company is called Dick heads R

629
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,520
Us.
Yeah, Dick heads R Us.

630
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:31,520
They got UFOs man.
Yeah, wild.

631
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:36,920
They got the logo on their tail.
Yeah.

632
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:42,920
Yeah.
Based on leave and receiving

633
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,960
government compensation for
their injuries.

634
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,199
Is that correct?
That is correct.

635
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,719
How can the government deny we
have recovered craft if they're

636
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,120
paying people because they've
been injured by recovered craft?

637
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,800
Ma'am, that's a great question.
That's why I think we're here

638
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,600
again, because I've seen the
documentation by the US

639
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,800
government for several of these
individuals who have sustained

640
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,720
injuries as a result of a UAP
incident.

641
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,680
It's a crazy idea, right?
The hypocrisy and the logic.

642
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,160
OK, Mr. Shellenberger, I'm going
to say it again, to be very

643
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,880
clear.
Immaculate Constellation.

644
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,440
What's its mission and how are
they funded?

645
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,800
Its mission is to.
As I stated, its mission is to.

646
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,920
It's a It's an unacknowledged
special access program.

647
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,440
Its mission is to document UA
PS.

648
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,040
OK.
And do you for your story in

649
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,760
your report, do you have more
than one credible source I do

650
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:36,520
sourcing?
OK.

651
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,840
And then why do you believe your
sources to be credible?

652
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,240
How do you judge the veracity of
the documentation you've been

653
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:45,880
provided about this program?
I checked the sources and they

654
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,160
are who they say they are.
They are current or former

655
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,280
government officials.
I should also.

656
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,320
I want to also add that I did
not specify that they were

657
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,040
Defense Department employees.
I didn't specify the agency nor

658
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,400
the gender.
Would they have included non

659
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,480
government employees?
People that aren't employed by

660
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,160
the government.
These are, I'm, I'm comfortable

661
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,640
saying that these are government
or previously government

662
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,080
employees.
Any of them currently employed

663
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,240
by a private contractor or
private contractors?

664
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,440
I'd rather not say.
OK, what's the key?

665
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,600
Take away just a few seconds
about the Immaculate

666
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,760
constellation document you
provided us today?

667
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:24,480
I think that what the American
people need to know is that the

668
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,040
US military and intelligence
community are sitting on a huge

669
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,560
amount of visual and other
information, still photos, video

670
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,080
photos, other sensor
information, and they have for a

671
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,120
very long time.
And it's not those fuzzy photos

672
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,320
and videos that we've been
given.

673
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,400
Those very clear.
High res.

674
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,440
High resolution.
How many?

675
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,360
How many visuals, graphics,
videos, photos?

676
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,080
I mean, I've been told hundreds,
you know, maybe thousands.

677
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,400
I mean, I also wanted to say
because there was some, there

678
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,640
was some conversation around
concern around the the revealing

679
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,720
of these materials, revealing
the source collections, but some

680
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:03,520
of these are shot from
helicopters using normal videos

681
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,360
of oceans.
I just think that's absurd that

682
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,880
somehow you're going to be
revealing some secret US

683
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,600
technology by revealing that
you've shut you've photographed

684
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,160
orbs off the coast of Kuwait.
OK, thank you. 8 seconds, Mr.

685
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,000
Gold.
Did NASA, the NASA Independent

686
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,440
Study Team get briefed on what
you call ASAP very quickly?

687
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,080
I flagged the Advanced Aerospace
Weapon System application

688
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,680
program to our chair and our
DFO.

689
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,640
We did not get briefed, but I
believe it is definitely worth

690
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,840
looking into.
That was probably the largest

691
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,640
UAP review effort ever and I
think produced a lot of interest

692
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,800
data including revealing Nimitz.
I don't know if my fellow

693
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,720
witness Lou might want.
He did yeoman's work on it.

694
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:42,520
Might want to comment.
OK.

695
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,800
All right.
I'm going to turn to Mr.

696
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,960
Moskowitz, who will be
recognized for 5 minutes of

697
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,560
question.
Thank you Madam Chairwoman.

698
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,960
So Mr. Gold, you gave a whole
diet track for a couple of

699
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:59,600
minutes about UA, PS science,
data collection, stigma.

700
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,320
A lot of non believers in all of
this would just ask a very

701
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,840
simple question.
Why?

702
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:11,440
Why is it so hard right?
Like why are people any time

703
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,200
they ask why are they always
thwarted?

704
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,880
Why are they always judged?
Why is they always have

705
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,400
misinformation spread?
Why is there always retribution?

706
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,920
Why is it always met with an
ear?

707
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,400
What's the why if it doesn't
exist, why is there why is it

708
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,840
such a problem?
I think if you go through the

709
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,800
history of science
representative, it is always

710
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,840
difficult for breakthroughs and
new information, regardless of

711
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,440
whether it's UAP or any other
kind of discovery.

712
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,560
And in science, we're supposed
to be open.

713
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,000
But when you break with the
orthodoxy of what's believed,

714
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:46,960
whether it's Galileo saying that
the Earth doesn't rotate or the

715
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,320
Earth rotates around the sun,
the sun doesn't rotate around

716
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,560
the Earth, it's always
challenging for new beliefs and

717
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,680
more extraordinary those
discoveries than the more

718
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,320
extraordinary those new beliefs,
it's very difficult.

719
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,240
So I think this is natural.
There's natural conservatism

720
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,800
that when it comes to science,
but this issue in particular has

721
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,000
been very difficult where again,
even to attempt to study, it

722
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,000
becomes problematic.
But every hearing like this,

723
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:20,400
every news report, every video
documentaries as a privilege to

724
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,080
be part of something Dan Fair is
putting together.

725
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,640
I think many of us have
interviewed for it.

726
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,720
Documentary 30 different
government officials.

727
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,920
Every brick in the wall will
help get us closer to getting to

728
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,560
the truth.
I appreciate that, Mister

729
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,320
Elizondo.
That correct?

730
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,120
Sure.
I'm going to put my I'm a

731
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,480
recovering lawyer, so I'm going
to put my hat on for a second.

732
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,680
You said you signed a document.
Love that.

733
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,520
Who gave that to you?
the US government, Sir.

734
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,160
OK, You have a copy of it?
It is stored in the skiff right

735
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,280
now.
I do not have possession of it.

736
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,960
the US government does.
What department of the US

737
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,160
government gave you this
document?

738
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:54,800
I will say the Department of
Defense.

739
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,200
Unfortunately, I can't say in
this forum much more than that.

740
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,480
You specifically said the
document said you can't talk

741
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,480
about craft retrieval.
Well, you know, you can't talk

742
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,160
about Fight Club if there's no
Fight Club, Correct?

743
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,160
OK.
I'm just making an observation.

744
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,680
Yes, Sir.
So that document that you signed

745
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,240
that you said exists.
Specifically.

746
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:18,120
Said.
You can't talk about crash

747
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,800
retrieval, correct, Sir?
It was a limitation on what I

748
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,080
because already I've been
speaking publicly about the

749
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,160
topic.
And so the document said you can

750
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,280
continue saying XYZ, but you
cannot discuss the topic.

751
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,120
When you give me give me the
atmosphere of signing this

752
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,640
document, you're in a room by
yourself.

753
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,880
I'm in a skiff with a security
officer, Sir.

754
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,040
Just.
One-on-one.

755
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,440
Anybody else?
There may have been an assistant

756
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,040
as well.
It was in a skiff within a

757
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:43,960
Department of Defense facility.
Give me your background real

758
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,800
quick.
My background is I went to

759
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,160
school to study microbiology and
immunology, entered into the US

760
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,080
Army, and after a very short
stint in military intelligence I

761
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,480
became a counterintelligence
special agent as a civilian.

762
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,760
Later on, it became a special
agent in charge running

763
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,440
investigations in
counterterrorism and counter

764
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,920
espionage, primarily with some
experience in counterinsurgency

765
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,280
and counter narcotics.
And then in the 2009 time frame,

766
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,320
when I came back to the Pentagon
after a tour with the Director

767
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,560
of National Intelligence, I
quickly became part of a program

768
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,640
that was originally called ASAP.
That evolved into the program

769
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,240
now called a TIP, which is where
those videos that we now see

770
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,520
forget to go fast.
The gimbal, the fleer.

771
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,480
That was part of our effort,
Sir.

772
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,200
Right.
So you don't you're not some

773
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,920
conspiracy theorist.
You actually have a legitimate

774
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,680
background.
Well Sir, I'm certainly not a

775
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,200
conspiracy theorist.
I'm fact based.

776
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,600
Just say fact.
So when you're in.

777
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,160
This room I.
Want to paint the picture of

778
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,120
her?
You're in this room, you're by

779
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,760
yourself, you're in a skip your
hand in the document.

780
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,240
How long is the document?
It's about a page front and

781
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:47,880
back.
So basically you have some

782
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,560
things they call trigraphs,
which I cannot again talk.

783
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,800
How long were you given to sign
the document?

784
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,760
As long as I need it, Sir.
What if you didn't sign it?

785
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,640
Well, the I suspect there'd be
repercussions.

786
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,120
I wouldn't have access to
certain information we were

787
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,160
allowed to conduct ask a lawyer
or weren't allowed to talk,

788
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:08,480
weren't allowed to ask for a
lawyer to review the document.

789
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,760
It wasn't an option, but they
may probably wouldn't have

790
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,160
allowed me to because the
document itself is pretty

791
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,320
explicit about you have to be
put him in an interest.

792
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,440
Let me try to thread the needle
here.

793
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,280
There are certain documents that
we have in the US government

794
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,640
that allow people to have access
to certain programs, whether

795
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,600
it's a special, and I'm going to
be very generic here, whether

796
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,400
it's a special access program or
controlled access program, SAP,

797
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,200
CAP, what not.
How many people have to sign

798
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,080
that document?
It depends how many people are

799
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,320
going to get access to the
information.

800
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,640
Sir.
OK, last question, Doctor, real

801
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,160
quick, can you tell us about the
Omaha incident in in greater

802
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,880
detail?
I've read your background,

803
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,760
right?
Some people would label you as a

804
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,200
member of the deep state since
you worked in government for a

805
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,400
long period of time, but can you
tell us more about that

806
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,160
incident?
You've written a lot about that.

807
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,280
I wrote a lot about incidents
like it, Congressman, but that

808
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,680
specific incident was involved
in the USS Omaha, the tour, the

809
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,760
tour combat ship of the US Navy
operating off Southern

810
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,000
California.
I don't remember the exact date.

811
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,400
It was within the last decade
and with the watch standers on

812
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,960
the bridge observed was a UAP
again and something that was

813
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,560
aloft but had no observable
exhaust or control surfaces.

814
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,600
So it was something that
couldn't be explained and then

815
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,440
they saw it enter the water from
the atmosphere and going through

816
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,120
the air, sea interface.
And so with us exhibiting

817
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,960
transmedium travel.
Thank you.

818
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,200
I yield back.
Thank you.

819
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,640
I'll now recognize Mr. Grossman
for 5 minutes of questioning.

820
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,440
Yeah.
We'll start with Mr. Galladad.

821
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:43,560
During a previous UAP hearing,
Navy Commander David Fraver

822
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,080
discussed the TikTok object
engaged in 2004.

823
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,480
Are you familiar with the
incident?

824
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,920
That's almost 20 years ago,
right?

825
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,000
You.
Said there more videos,

826
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,200
documents and reports related to
this incident.

827
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,200
Do you believe the information
regarding the TikTok incident

828
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,520
should be available to all
members of Congress and your

829
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,120
expertise?
What reason the would the

830
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,320
Department of Defense possibly?
Have.

831
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,960
For not releasing information
that's over 20 years old.

832
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,440
Thank you, Congressman.
I don't think there's any good

833
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,800
reason to withhold information
and important data, especially

834
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,560
of a national security concern
from Congress.

835
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:22,760
What would that?
What would they say?

836
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,960
I'm, I will speculate, Sir, that
they don't want to share that

837
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,920
kind of information because it
reveals weaknesses in our

838
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,120
ability to monitor and protect
our airspace.

839
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,040
OK.
In your written testimony, you

840
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,280
claim last year's UAP hearing
before this oversight committee

841
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,280
confirm that UAP related
information is, well, it's not

842
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,280
only being withheld, but the
elements of the government are

843
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,720
engaging in a distance
disinformation campaign to

844
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:54,920
include personal attacks
designed to credit to discredit

845
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,920
UAP whistleblowers.
Could you elaborate on that

846
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,960
statement a little?
Yes Sir.

847
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,200
Earlier this year I met with the
DOD's All Domain Anomaly

848
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,520
Resolution office and what I
thought would be a 90 minute

849
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,800
meeting just to meet with
leadership turned out to be an

850
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,520
hours long influence operation
on me.

851
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,680
Where I was.
They attempted to convince me of

852
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,000
the validity of the very flawed
and error error ridden

853
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:25,320
historical records report.
In addition, they they tried to

854
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:30,560
have me question very valid UAP
reports like the Tic Tac

855
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:37,160
incident and even even coming to
stating possibly that the the

856
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,120
Tic Tac was American technology.
And then of course if you ask

857
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,520
David Fraver, Alex Dietrich, the
two witnesses, they were

858
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,320
convinced it was otherwise.
And then and they also cast

859
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:52,800
discredit on various UAP
whistleblowers and witnesses to

860
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,360
question their validity and
credibility as witnesses.

861
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,760
OK, we'll go to Miss Mr.
Elizondo.

862
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:02,440
We got that right.
Or not.

863
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,760
At least most never.
You're familiar with the recent

864
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,520
drone incursion over Langley Air
Force Base?

865
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:09,440
Yes, Sir.
The owners of.

866
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,840
These drones were made unclear.
The US military has not been

867
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,440
able to give us in Congress and
answer.

868
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,320
Giving your experience with
Department of Defense and the

869
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,720
intelligence community, how
frequently are UAP sightings

870
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:24,160
over military installations?
And secondly.

871
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,320
I suppose hypothetically you
could have incursions over just,

872
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,680
say, regular airports.
Is it obvious these incursions

873
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:38,320
are more likely over military
facilities than just a random

874
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,600
airport out there?
Yes, Sir, There's definitely

875
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,760
enough data to suggest that
there is certainly some sort of

876
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,160
relationship between sensitive
U.S. military installations,

877
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,200
also some of our nuclear
equities and also some of our

878
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,840
Department of Energy sites.
There is a long historical

879
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,800
record that some of your
colleagues may may have

880
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,480
documentation that demonstrates
this.

881
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,760
This is not a a new trend.
This has been going on for for

882
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,680
decades and it's that
information has been obfuscated

883
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,240
unfortunately from from folks
like you in in this committee.

884
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,520
And I think that's problematic
because ultimately, at the end

885
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,720
of the day, we have a
significant situation here.

886
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:20,160
We have something that can enter
into US airspace completely with

887
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:21,840
no attribution.
And how long has this been going

888
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,640
on?
Sir, decades and there's

889
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:25,680
information that will hopefully
be entered into.

890
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,120
Can you think of any?
Possible.

891
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,600
Reason why they can't release
any information they have on

892
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,400
something say 15 or 20 years
old.

893
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,360
Sir, if I could echo my
colleague here, Admiral

894
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,520
Galludet, I think one of the big
issues that we have in the

895
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,200
intelligence community,
Department of Defense, if you

896
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,800
don't want to broadcast any
potential vulnerabilities or

897
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,400
weaknesses in our National
Defense systems or an

898
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:45,840
intelligence collection
platforms.

899
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,920
Therefore, when you have a
conversation where you address a

900
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,240
problem for which there is no
solution, it makes that a very

901
00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:54,880
uncomfortable conversation to
have.

902
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,600
OK, we'll switch to Mr.
Schoenberger.

903
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,520
The primary reason you're here
today is because you published

904
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,840
an published an article on the
newest publication that you own

905
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:08,080
called Public Right, alleging
the new unnamed government

906
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,640
whistleblowers come forward
asserting that a highly

907
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,800
classified program exists
dedicated to recovery and

908
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,320
reverse engineering of UAP
technologies.

909
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:22,360
What can give us what specific
evidence you have or that your

910
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,560
source provided you to
substantiate the claims about

911
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,720
the existence of the Immaculate
Constellation program?

912
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,040
Well, you have the report in
front of you now, so you can see

913
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,800
it for yourself.
But I would, I, I checked the

914
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,680
report and I did not find it
based on existing cases.

915
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,360
It was new cases for me.
I couldn't, at least I, I hadn't

916
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,480
found anybody.
So that's all that answer for

917
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,240
me, that it was not obviously
circular reporting, which is one

918
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:49,800
of the big concerns in the
space.

919
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,440
I also had the name of the
program confirmed by more than

920
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,120
one additional source.
So yeah.

921
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,560
And then I, of course, I checked
to make sure that the source was

922
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,840
who they claimed to be.
OK.

923
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,320
I should also say that when I
said before it was this

924
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,480
database, it is much broader
program that also includes human

925
00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:09,800
intelligence.
And then as you mentioned the

926
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,840
the retrieval and any knowledge
of what country these things

927
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:18,080
originated in.
No, no, I have no idea.

928
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:19,960
OK.
OK.

929
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,560
I will now recognize Mr.
Burchett for 5 minutes of

930
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,920
questions.
Thanks, Chair Lady, our question

931
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,240
name is Santa.
Enter into the record documents

932
00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:32,080
provided to us regarding legacy
UAP programs and psychological

933
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:36,520
operations through Alexander.
I also want to thank my buddy

934
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:41,040
Jeremy Corbell for writing
documents and access to some

935
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,200
whistleblowers.
Mr. Elizondo, what is the last

936
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,120
position, Your last position
with the federal government.

937
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,600
Sir, I was the director of
National Program special

938
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,800
management staff, managing a
White House special access

939
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,320
program on behalf of the
National Security Council.

940
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,440
How would you characterize UA?
PS.

941
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,320
An enigma, Sir, and a
frustration.

942
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,600
We're talking about technologies
that can outperform anything we

943
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,880
have in our inventory.
And if this was an adversarial

944
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,160
technology, this would be an
intelligence failure eclipsing

945
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,040
that of 911 by an order of
magnitude.

946
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,200
Are there classified Department
of Defense materials related to

947
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,240
Uaps that you believe could be
safely disclosed to the public

948
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:24,440
without compromising national
security?

949
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:28,360
Yes, Sir, I do.
I would never, ever try to

950
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,640
endorse providing some sort of
information that could

951
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,160
compromise what we call a blue
force technology or capability.

952
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,760
But I do believe there's a lot
of information regarding this

953
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,240
topic and I've been very vocal
about it that should be shared

954
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,800
not only with the public, but
most importantly with members.

955
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,280
Of Congress, Are you familiar
with my friend David Grush?

956
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,800
Absolutely, Sir.
I had the privilege, privilege

957
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,320
and honor of working with him
myself several years ago at US

958
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,200
Space Force.
Last year, as you know, he

959
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,200
testified that the US has run a
multi decade UAP crash retrieval

960
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,560
and reverse engineering program.
Would you agree with that?

961
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,400
Yes Sir.
Are there UAP programs operating

962
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,480
without without proper
congressional oversight?

963
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,080
100%.
What are they?

964
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,040
Unfortunately, Sir, I would have
to have that conversation.

965
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,160
So this, this was a topic that
we talked about pretty intensely

966
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,120
yesterday.
And I think this is one of the

967
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:24,280
big things that we need to talk
about in general when it comes

968
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:28,720
to this whole thing is the fact
that these guys are sitting up

969
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:31,880
here claiming that.
Well, I mean, it, it's not

970
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:36,080
necessarily a claim, it's a
reality, right, That there is a

971
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:41,680
branch or something, some entity
within the US government that is

972
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:47,800
running a UAP operation, whether
it be for research, reverse

973
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:53,320
engineering, whatever, without
government congressional

974
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,880
oversight.
And as we talked about

975
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,480
yesterday, they also do not have
to answer to anybody.

976
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:06,360
They do not have to share what
they're, what they're spending

977
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,840
their revenue on.
It's completely black.

978
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:12,120
What's up man?
Go ahead.

979
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,360
Well, well, this is what Jeff
talks about all the time.

980
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,880
And this is just proof that,
yeah, this thing exists because

981
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,080
Jeff talks about all the time
saying black budget programs.

982
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,360
And we talk about saying like,
yeah, you could give a.

983
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,520
FOIA.
Request to the Department of the

984
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:30,320
Defense and they could come at
you, come back to you and say we

985
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,360
have no information on this and
they might be telling the truth

986
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,880
because it's not up to them.
It's part of a Raytheon project

987
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:43,280
or a, you know, whatever private
company, or maybe it's part of

988
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,400
the federal government, But the
Department of Defense isn't the

989
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:53,560
one that's running this show.
Yes, it's like, interesting shit

990
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:54,320
man.
It's just the.

991
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,040
Stuff that we keep repeating.
Over and over and over ad

992
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,200
nauseam.
But this is the first time we're

993
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,320
seeing it in a congressional
type setting where the guys

994
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,080
straight up saying like, Yep,
that exists.

995
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,280
Yeah, yeah, like the.
The old.

996
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,400
Saying like in in the movie
Independence Day, right?

997
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,040
Or like when Obama said like I
know nothing about this, like he

998
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,520
actually isn't a lie.
Like right, they don't know

999
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:17,000
about this.
I.

1000
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,120
Mean they know.
They know it's out there, right?

1001
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,120
But they don't.
Know about it right they're.

1002
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:29,880
Not even the the commander in
chief isn't doesn't have the

1003
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:34,040
need to know, right?
Yeah, or doesn't want.

1004
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,240
To know well, you know I.
I was saying in the chat

1005
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:38,520
earlier.
You know, Elizondo looks, he

1006
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,480
looks scared to me.
I don't know, like I'm no body

1007
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,320
language expert, but he just
looks scared.

1008
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,680
Now, I, I, I would assume that
this is probably very nerve

1009
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,200
wracking being in this situation
to begin with.

1010
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:55,280
But, and he's very concise with
his words.

1011
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,200
So I don't think he's like super
terrified at this moment, but he

1012
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,960
just looks shook up to me.
You know, he's fidgeting a lot.

1013
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,160
So it just makes me wonder like,
how much does this guy know,

1014
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,160
right?
And all a lot of these questions

1015
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,480
that we really want to answer,
he's like, I can answer this,

1016
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:12,040
right, Just not here now.
So I just wonder, like what he

1017
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,280
knows that keeps him up at
night.

1018
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,160
He knows something.
He definitely knows something.

1019
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:20,800
I'm I'm interested in getting
his book in.

1020
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,800
Like I said, I have it on order
right now.

1021
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,840
Apparently there's some pretty
good stuff in there that.

1022
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,400
That he had.
Approval to publish.

1023
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,800
So I don't know if anybody's
aware of the back story with his

1024
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,360
book, but apparently he went
through over a year's worth of

1025
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:46,480
review by the US government and
a whole bunch of redactions in

1026
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,400
order to be published.
So he went through the proper

1027
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,280
channels in order to get it
published.

1028
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,920
But there are supposedly still
some really interesting stuff in

1029
00:54:54,920 --> 00:55:00,440
there that people are surprised
that the US government allowed

1030
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,320
to be published.
Do you think that maybe he's.

1031
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:07,000
Not saying stuff out loud
because he's not supposed to or

1032
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,680
because he wants people to read
the book.

1033
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,080
That.
That's a good point though,

1034
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:12,240
probably.
Both it is.

1035
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,480
It is a good point, but he is
Underoath right now, so that'd

1036
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:16,600
be a.
Risky move, right?

1037
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,280
Yeah, that's that's something I
don't get.

1038
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,160
Is how are these guys underoath,
but yet they're not answering

1039
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,720
questions.
I mean, I understand the Ndas,

1040
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:25,880
right?
I totally get it.

1041
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:27,920
It's not just the Ndas, but
it's.

1042
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,720
Also, the the the security
clearance, right?

1043
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:33,120
Just because they're talking to
a member of Congress doesn't

1044
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,520
mean that they're talking to a
member that has a top secret

1045
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,440
security clearance or higher.
Yeah, but why is it OK to do?

1046
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:44,360
It in a closed session.
I imagine that it would.

1047
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,040
Only I mean I understand that
maybe.

1048
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,760
That.
The the congressmen or women or

1049
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,200
Congress people, whoever that
was in that closed session would

1050
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:04,720
get Ndas to sign, would get, you
know, sworn to secrecy for a

1051
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:09,040
specific amount of information
under the penalty of like,

1052
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,000
treason, right.
Yeah, it couldn't just be

1053
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,200
broadcasted to not only the the
Congress people, but also

1054
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,120
whoever these individuals,
individuals are who are sitting

1055
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:21,520
behind them, you know,
reporters, these whoever these

1056
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,040
folks are, we can't see their
faces.

1057
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:27,000
I have no idea.
But you can't just broadcast it

1058
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:32,080
out there because unless you
brought the shut the news

1059
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,600
cameras down or the cameras down
entirely and then brought

1060
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:41,560
everyone in and had a NDA
signing party and a hey, if you

1061
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,560
say anything about this, we're
going to try you for treason and

1062
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,240
throw you in prison for us your
life or execute you type stuff

1063
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:50,800
like, yeah, that's why there's.
The closed.

1064
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:55,120
Sessions and in that case you
could pull people in and and

1065
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,360
have a controlled telling of
information.

1066
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,480
And even then, I doubt that
they're going to get the answers

1067
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,440
that they want.
They're definitely.

1068
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:04,960
Not going to get who the sources
are.

1069
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,760
Because or that the sources are
just going to get, you know,

1070
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,440
hammered for because maybe it's
it's a high level official and

1071
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,560
maybe the Department of Defense.
Maybe it's one of these black

1072
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:21,560
budget, you know, entities or
whatever that aren't supposed to

1073
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,080
be telling anybody anything
about what they're doing and

1074
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:25,960
what they're researching and all
this sort of stuff.

1075
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,480
But they did.
Yeah, right.

1076
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:29,960
So they're not going.
To give up the.

1077
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,320
Sources.
They're not going to give up the

1078
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,680
departments anything thing like
that maybe.

1079
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,560
They'll go into detail about.
You know the incidents like the

1080
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,360
location of that one thing that
he saw.

1081
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:45,320
You know that he's completely.
Unwilling to say anything.

1082
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,520
About, you know, what was it,
where was it, all this sort of

1083
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:49,920
stuff.
Can you give me the basics?

1084
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,320
It was a UAP, OK, You know.
Oh.

1085
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:55,120
Great.
Don't say.

1086
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,880
All right, y'all ready?
Yep.

1087
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,440
Or you guys want to call it now
let's see if.

1088
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,280
We can roll through this.
All right.

1089
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,560
In a closed session.
I know you said that.

1090
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,520
A lot of people are frustrated.
With those kind of answers.

1091
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,440
But we're asking those kind of
questions so you all know what

1092
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,480
the heck we're up against.
You also mentioned your

1093
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,600
statement that the Pentagon's
public affairs office employs

1094
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,440
the psychological operations
officers, the singular point of

1095
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,600
conduct for UAP related
inquiries.

1096
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,560
Why the heck would they do that?
So that's a great question.

1097
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,440
I would ask the.
Pentagon and there's a long

1098
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,120
history here of this, that
individual providing misleading

1099
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,320
and false information to the
public through various news

1100
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,440
outlets and media outlets in
order to discredit this topic.

1101
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,000
I've personally been victim to
it.

1102
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,120
We have the document
documentation to substantiate

1103
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,200
where this information has been
absolutely inaccurate that has

1104
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:49,680
been provided time and time
again.

1105
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,120
And it turns out that that
individual was also working with

1106
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,760
former leadership of Arrow at
the time as well.

1107
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,160
And we punish them by giving
them multi. $1,000,000 more ask

1108
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,000
for every year, Admiral.
Guy dad you mentioned in your

1109
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:02,920
own.
Statement.

1110
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,080
What a punishment An e-mail you
received.

1111
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,120
From the operations.
Officer, the Fleet Forces

1112
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,120
Command regarding unknown
objects almost colliding with

1113
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:11,680
U.S. military planes.
Did you?

1114
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,000
Did anyone respond with
knowledge of what the objects

1115
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,800
were?
I received no response.

1116
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:18,600
Did the operation?
Did the exercise get?

1117
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:20,600
Cancelled The exercise did not
get cancelled.

1118
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,720
Why do you think the?
Commander of Fleet Forces.

1119
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,320
Operations officer never
discussed the incident again.

1120
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,240
Sir, I'm speculating.
Because I didn't have an

1121
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,840
exchange with him, but I, I
believed it to be part of a

1122
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,440
special access program.
The information and the video

1123
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:38,000
which we have known now it was
and he, he realized he couldn't

1124
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,360
just share that openly with the
recipients of the e-mail.

1125
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,280
And therefore the e-mail was
pulled from everybody's account

1126
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:44,920
again.
Tell us what happened to the

1127
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:46,960
e-mail from.
The commander of fleet forces

1128
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,560
the day after I received.
It and all and all the other

1129
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,360
recipients received it, which
were all the subordinate

1130
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,000
commanders of US Fleet forces.
So one and two star Admirals,

1131
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:56,600
including strike group
commanders.

1132
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:01,080
The e-mail was wiped or deleted
from our accounts and then no

1133
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,120
one talked about it.
All right.

1134
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:07,160
Have you specifically had any?
Experience with submersible

1135
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,520
objects, so I've not no
personal.

1136
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,920
Experience.
But I've had witnesses on

1137
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:18,400
submarines come to me and say
they've seen on on sonar data,

1138
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,040
correct.
OK.

1139
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,560
How would you, how would you
characterize those?

1140
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,760
And how do they move the one
instance that I was?

1141
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:31,200
That was revealed to me was in
the 80s on a nuclear powered

1142
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,360
submarine, a ballistic missile
submarine that the object

1143
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,560
exhibited the characteristics of
a Russian torpedo in terms of

1144
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,440
its speed of movement and
closing rate with a submarine.

1145
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:45,520
And then it slowed and then and
followed the submarine slowly

1146
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,640
and, and it's it's awake at for
a period of minutes and then

1147
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,520
rapidly exited the scene.
And nothing that we know of and

1148
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,320
technology wise could replicate
that.

1149
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,440
And the speed of these objects
was.

1150
01:00:56,440 --> 01:01:00,040
Faster than anything that we
have or anybody else has that

1151
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:01,640
would be manned.
Is that correct?

1152
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,400
Yeah, it was on the underwater.
Torpedoes.

1153
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,000
Yes Sir, Yes Sir.
But as it exited I don't.

1154
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,160
I don't exactly know how fast a.
Torpedo is but I suspect it does

1155
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,840
better than my old outboards got
Atwater so I'll I'll take that

1156
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:14,960
as a a yes.
OK.

1157
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,200
Have you experienced any
experience with the all domain

1158
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:24,080
anomaly resolution office Arrow?
Yes, Congressman as I.

1159
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,720
Mentioned previously and I, I
have met with them.

1160
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,080
OK, you heard Mr. Alexander.
Describe psychological

1161
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:34,440
operations for those contacting
Department of Defense about UA.

1162
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,840
PS You mentioned a similar
influence operation by Arrow.

1163
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,880
Why are federal agencies
invested in in running

1164
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:45,000
information operations about
Uaps if they do not exist?

1165
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,000
Yes, Sir, but.
I'll make a statement on on

1166
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,080
Arrows behalf.
They have new leadership.

1167
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:55,200
The office has reached out to me
to meet again and I take that as

1168
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,440
a good faith effort and we'll
see where that goes.

1169
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:58,920
Thank you Chairlady, I've run
over.

1170
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:00,920
Thank you.
Mr. Tennessee, I would now like

1171
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:02,520
to.
Recognize Mr. Higgins.

1172
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,200
You're the king of Tennessee,
Mr. Higgins.

1173
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:08,680
You're recognized for 5 minutes
of questions.

1174
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:15,040
Thank you, Madam Chair.
Mr. Elizondo, Mr. Shellenberger

1175
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:19,280
notes in his in the report that
we've been given for this

1176
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:23,960
hearing, I believe Mr.
Shellenberger transparency at

1177
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,040
the end about trying to check.
The guy, he's just, I'm sorry,

1178
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,960
sorry, he's not the.
Author Mr. Shellenberger, Are

1179
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,240
you the author?
Of this of this report and have

1180
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:33,600
a name on it?
No.

1181
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:38,080
Do you do you know the author?
I do you do, And how would you

1182
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:42,320
estimate that that Madam or
gentleman, they all the person

1183
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:46,360
is a current or former?
U.S. government employee and.

1184
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,200
It stays here that the the
person department exists.

1185
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,720
And have the author's report,
yes.

1186
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:57,040
So where?
Might one find the non public

1187
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,280
version of the author's report?
I don't know the answer to that.

1188
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:02,720
Would that be?
With the Department of Defense.

1189
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:07,800
I don't know.
But you do know the author.

1190
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,280
I do you know what the what the
author's sources were?

1191
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,760
The author's sources?
Were are described in the report

1192
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:20,400
these databases the Immaculate,
but you expressed some

1193
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,880
confidence.
In the sources I would earlier

1194
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,800
in, in testimony you expressed
confidence.

1195
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:28,880
So do do you know those sources?
I do.

1196
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,280
Are they within the department?
Of defense.

1197
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,280
I can't say you can't.
Say or you won't say I.

1198
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:38,600
Won't say OK, why not?
Because I protect my sources and

1199
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,000
I.
Think the, but you're not naming

1200
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:41,000
them.
It's a big.

1201
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,280
Department, but many of us on my
side, they all would say it's

1202
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:48,000
far too big.
So you're talking about the

1203
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,720
Department of Defense sources
from within the Department of

1204
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:52,520
Defense.
I'm I'm.

1205
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,560
I'm not.
Willing to reduce the potential

1206
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,000
universe of my where my sources
might be.

1207
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,360
OK, moving on in, in this
report.

1208
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:07,520
Mr. Elizondo for for reference
several types of of allegedly

1209
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:12,240
alien craft or possibly alien
crafter or unknown aerial

1210
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:17,520
phenomena, what we used to call
UFOs or describes fears and orbs

1211
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:25,560
discs and saucers, Oval or tic
tac triangular shape boomerang

1212
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:30,600
and Arrowhead and irregular or
organic Mr. Elizondo's is that

1213
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,920
summarized.
They outline each one of these

1214
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:34,760
right that we're.
Just so that is a general

1215
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,120
morality, historically Speaking
of.

1216
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:42,880
OK, so so those.
Descriptions are very different

1217
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,960
craft would is it your?
Is it your assessment that they

1218
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:50,760
would come with of different of
different origins?

1219
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,200
It's possible, but this?
Also could be in sense of a

1220
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:55,880
matter of utility.
And let me just say for the

1221
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:59,560
record, I never read the report
that or the article that Mister

1222
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:02,240
Shellenberger put out, the
reason that's a good point we're

1223
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,760
just referencing.
It Yes, Sir, for descriptive

1224
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:06,840
purposes for the American
people.

1225
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:13,040
Mr. Shellenberger, in this
report, it's just striking to me

1226
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:20,520
that that regarding the
descriptions of of experiences

1227
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:25,280
with these various craft,
several of them include

1228
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:28,280
biological effects and several
do not.

1229
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:29,840
Are you familiar with what I'm
talking about?

1230
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:33,000
Yes.
OK, so Spears and orbs,

1231
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:39,640
triangular craft and irregular
or organic craft include some

1232
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:44,400
descriptions of biological
effects, including feelings of

1233
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:51,120
unease, electronic device
malfunctions, long term

1234
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:55,600
psychological effects such as
anxiety or insomnia have been

1235
01:05:55,600 --> 01:06:01,480
noted feeling of being watched a
shared awareness with the

1236
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:08,960
triangle craft and under the
irregular and organic craft

1237
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:14,440
biological effects effects
include physical sensations of

1238
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:18,400
warmth of cold and unexplained
smells and psychological

1239
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,920
distress.
So these are these are very

1240
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:26,800
specific descriptions of the
reactions of human beings which

1241
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:33,000
allegedly have been have been
noted from from a study here.

1242
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:37,160
A report did.
All of those experiences would

1243
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,520
have been would have been
described by the sources that

1244
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,720
the author used.
I'm not sure I understand it

1245
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:45,040
did.
This a very broad.

1246
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:51,520
Description of of biological
effects and it's it's striking

1247
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:56,440
to me that they are present with
relation to some types of craft

1248
01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:00,560
but absent in others.
This would require a a great

1249
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,280
deal of research and study.
Can you explain that?

1250
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:05,760
My understanding is that this
is.

1251
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:10,280
The database is very large.
It includes both the images, the

1252
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,360
videos, the still images, as
well as the human intelligence,

1253
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,360
the reports, the raw data from
individuals having these

1254
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,720
experiences.
So in answer your question,

1255
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:21,440
yeah, I mean, I think we're
looking at a very large amount

1256
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:25,280
of data collected over many
decades and that data is is held

1257
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:26,880
by the.
Department of Defense.

1258
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:31,120
Well, I will I I will say that.
After I published, I was told

1259
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:37,040
that this program, that the use
app was actually managed by the

1260
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,360
Department of Defense but held
at the White House.

1261
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,320
But that's a single source and.
I I.

1262
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,400
Don't have multiple sources to
verify that.

1263
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:46,600
Thank you Sir, I did my best to
trick.

1264
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:50,320
An answer out of you, but I was
partially successful.

1265
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,480
Madam Chair, are you?
Thank you.

1266
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:55,320
I now recognize Mr. Frost, I've
answered questions.

1267
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:59,240
Thank you.
Let's.

1268
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,480
Let's.
Go ahead and and do our our

1269
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:08,480
final thoughts for tonight.
It's up to you guys if you guys

1270
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:12,000
want to knock out the the last
50 minutes on another episode or

1271
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:18,319
not, but I know that that
there's not too much left.

1272
01:08:18,399 --> 01:08:23,720
There's a whole lot of of.
I can't answer that.

1273
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:29,279
Or that'll have to be answered
in a closed session, so I like.

1274
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:32,840
Yeah, I watched.
All this stuff, I like it.

1275
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:34,080
I.
Like the responses?

1276
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:36,240
So do you want to do another
episode?

1277
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:42,640
I like it.
OK, when we could talk about

1278
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:46,240
that in a minute.
You.

1279
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:50,080
Guys got anything to put out on?
This I know mostly this episode

1280
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:53,000
is is more of listening to it
than anything but.

1281
01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:01,160
Oh, sorry, no.
I just.

1282
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,920
Think I said it 1000.
Times, bro, I don't think it's

1283
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:08,080
going to go anywhere, man.
I hope it does, at least for us

1284
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:14,319
in the public, but I don't know.
I like the.

1285
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:18,479
I think the biggest thing we've
pulled out of this so far is the

1286
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:24,840
definitive yes that there are
black budget or alternate U.S.

1287
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:26,920
government.
Programs that are.

1288
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:34,240
Explicitly dealing with these
things that no one has access

1289
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:37,160
to.
Yeah, I think that's by far the.

1290
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:41,560
Biggest take away from this
whole thing, Yeah, I mean, for

1291
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,399
sure I you.
Know I don't want.

1292
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:47,240
To sound.
But I already knew this.

1293
01:09:47,399 --> 01:09:50,000
You know so.
It's not a fucking surprise, but

1294
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:56,640
it is nice to be like, see, But
that's it, man, Yeah.

1295
01:09:58,440 --> 01:10:01,920
All right, well, I guess we're
gonna do a Part 3 of this

1296
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:05,560
sometime soon, so if you're in
the chat, I think it's just

1297
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,240
Kenzar now.
Kenzar, you're a trooper.

1298
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:09,720
Thank you.
Thank you.

1299
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,880
We'll, yeah, we'll go ahead and
close her out.

1300
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,120
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