196. The Dyatlov Pass Mystery Part 2

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I'm Gideon from the Burning Veil
podcast and you are listening to

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The Infinite Rabbit Hole.
Keep it up guys, you're doing a

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great job.
For everyone.

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Else, welcome back to the
Infinite Rabbit Hole.

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I'm your host, Jeremy.
Today we're going to finish up

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our coverage on Diablo Pass.
If you're live tonight on

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twitch.tv/infinite Rabbit Hole
like we are every night or every

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Sunday night at 8:00 PM Central
time every Sunday night.

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Dude, how cool would it be if
this was our job?

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It would be really cool.
It would be really cool.

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Just.
Don't even edit anything, we

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just throw it out into the
world.

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I've basically stopped editing.
Really.

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Yeah, you're for the most part.
Yeah, real piece of shit.

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You're garbage.
Anyways.

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Yeah.
Well, yeah, so welcome back to

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the infinite rabbit Hole.
Sorry, I got a pounding headache

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today, so bear with me.
It's gonna suck, but it is what

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it is.
What?

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Garbage.
Yeah, we are live tonight,

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twitch.tv/infra Rabbit hole.
Like I said already.

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And like I've already said,
every Sunday at 8:00 PM Central

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time.
Leave us a voicemail.

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Yeah, Oh yeah.
Voicemail.

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Go to infiniterabbithole.com and
bottom right hand side, there's

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a little red button with a
microphone on it.

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Click it.
Jeff in our voicemail.

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Yes, do that, Yes.
Boo Jeff, get your life together

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with your terrible.
So and so from this other

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podcast or.
Flagging this episode.

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Whatever.
Cyber bullying and hate speech I

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just.
Wanted to say you guys.

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Are watching the Infinite rabbit
hole and Boo Jeff.

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Boo, Jeff.
Doesn't even know how to use a

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microphone.
He just said deported or

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reported, supported and
deported.

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Deport me back to Russia, where
I come from.

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Two more days, brother.
Where's the recommended

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deportion button on on Twitch?
But I'm mixed.

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I don't know where.
Where am I going to get deported

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to?
Is it is going to be Russia?

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Is it going to be Scotland,
Ireland.

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Yeah.
Like I will always go back to

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Mama's house, all right?
She takes care of me, so that's

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not even a threat.
Yeah, All right.

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We do not have any new patrons
because the the first episode

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where we actually announced the
new Patreon hasn't gone live

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yet.
So we're still we're still still

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only a few in.
We got two of them in in the

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chat tonight, Kenzar and
Skeeter.

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Thank you to the both of you for
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Really do appreciate that we're
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things now thanks to you.
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which we'll be talking about in
detail a little bit more soon.

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So hang tight.
All right, so last week we dove

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into the story and the
background information on the D

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Outlook Pass mystery, where Igor
D, Outlive and nine other hikers

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took off for an expedition to
try to earn the next class

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rating so that they can become
instructors.

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One of them had to bail out
because of medical issues, and

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the nine that were remaining all
passed away and under mysterious

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circumstances.
So today, mostly today, is what

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we're going to do.
We're going to talk about the

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possibilities of what happened.
So if you're watching live and

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you did not get to watch live
last week's episode, you might

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be a little lost, but that's on
you.

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We announce it, right, Jake?
Yeah, you scum.

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Yeah, yeah.
I watched it live.

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Yeah, you did.
Because I was here so.

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Before we jump in all that,
we'll go ahead and bring in the

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Co hosts.
Jake, everyone knows you're

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here.
What's up, man?

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Dude what up I just woke up from
a nap.

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I got some ham hocks and beans
finishing on the on the stove

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and I I'm here.
Yeah, you are.

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You're right there.
Right here and I and I have a

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microphone that works and
crippling depression.

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Two of us do one of these guys.
Wants to beat me so bad he's

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like, oh, he's got a working
microphone and crippling

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depression.
I mean, change it up, you know.

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One of these guys is not like
the other.

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That's right.
He's got a, a fuller beard

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around the lips and he says he's
not depressed.

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But I mean, the way he was
freaking out trying to put that

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mic together tells me that he's
he's bearing it way down deep.

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And it almost opened up That
door was like crack.

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And he's just like, feelings are
Prairie dogging their way out.

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You know what I'm saying?
But I was depressed until I

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found Garridos.
I was so depressed and then I

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found Salsita's chips.
Garridos.

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Now I'm not depressed at.
Smacking pleasure after you by

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infinite rival.
See how good that was?

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Garridos?
Yeah, that's, that's pretty

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good.
We could tell all nine people in

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the chat about it right now.
I was so depressed until I found

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Booze by Sam Sam Adams Winter
Lager.

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I'm kidding.
It's not crippling depression,

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it's just mild seasonal
depression.

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You know there's a raining all
day today today.

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If you're not depressed, you're
not a man.

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All right, That's the new motto.
Be a man.

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Diet, work.
That's my other new.

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Motto Be a man, let it all out
at the cashier at Costco.

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Costco, man, you're falling,
dude.

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Jesus.
Yes, Sir, you don't chew.

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Big red then fuck you.
I don't even think I've ever

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been in.
Have you seen that movie?

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Yes, what?
You haven't seen that movie.

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Since they said what?
Is it funnier if you actually

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hadn't seen that fucking movie?
If I hadn't seen that movie,

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I've seen the movie.
I love that movie.

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Jake, you really haven't seen
Talladega Nights.

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I have, yeah.
Oh.

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It's from Talladega Nights.
All the commercials and stuff,

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yeah.
Yeah.

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Oh man.
What?

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Are you drinking on Jeremy?
Oh oh, what am I drinking on?

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I am drinking on Summit Brewing
Co, Oktoberfest, Mars and Style

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Burr.
Burr.

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Yeah.
What are you drinking on?

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Minneapolis.
This is a Black Rifle Coffee

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Company's caramel salted latte,
and I'm drinking it out of the

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old Shadow Band podcast mug.
Oh.

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Man, what a woman.
I've got a glass of what is this

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Johnnie Walker Black label with
some steel whiskey stones in

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there.
I also have some sweet tea, some

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peace sweet tea from Wawa.
Sweet tea is sweet tea is good

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stuff.
My backup tonight is another

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Oktoberfest.
Yeah, this one.

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This one's got a der on it.
My backup tonight is Sam Adams,

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Oktoberfest.
This.

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Is by hinterland.
Hinterland.

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Hinterland Brewing Company.
Tell, tell the tell the people

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about the the place you want to
go to.

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And let me say it was Illinois.
I I can't do that yet.

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Why not?
Because because we're going to

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talk about that during the
episode.

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What about the the other one in
Saint Paul?

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Yes, there's a.
Was it Lake?

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Monster Lake Lake.
Monster, I think it was lake

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monster Lake Monster Brewing
Company in Saint Paul,

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Minneapolis.
Pretty cool.

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We got a, we got a pretty cool
idea that came up today between

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Jake and I about get in touch
with some of the brewing, the

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micro Brewers companies around
the, the country that highlight

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like cryptids and aliens and
UFOs and conspiracies and stuff

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like that.
There's a ton of them.

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Jeff actually just brought up a,
a coffee company that does this,

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that does something similar too.
So we're thinking about reaching

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out, having them come on the
show, talk to them a little bit,

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find out a little bit about
their back story, where the

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where the name comes from.
Because like, you know,

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Minneapolis, Saint Paul, I'm not
immediately aware of any lake

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monsters in that immediate
vicinity.

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I wonder if Pepe has anything to
do with it because it's not that

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far away, but it's still not
right there.

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So I'm curious as to how they
came across that name.

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Pepe the Frog.
No, man.

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Oh, shut up, Jeff.
Shut up, Jeff.

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Unplug your microphone.
Oh wait, hold on, excuse me,

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pardon me while I attach my
removable cooling gel pad to my

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new lumbar support on my sweet
new chair.

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Man, he's old.
He didn't even drop a brand

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name.
Dude he's so old he's like oh

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don't mind me as I apply this
Rogaine to the top of my head.

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I, I will.
I will before we get going.

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While while Jeff is doing that,
my wife and I got to go on a

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date night last night, which was
cool.

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My dad's in town.
He was helping me put up a wall

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for my son's bedroom.
He built the heck out of that

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wall.
That's crazy.

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I want him to build me a deck.
He'll do that.

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He he loves building decks
anyways, so my wife's job or

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company place.
She works.

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At Yeah, the place she works at.
Place of employment.

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There you go, the place of
employment.

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She provides a service and they
provide money.

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That's true.
Not it's, Yeah.

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She.
She Yep, she does that.

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She wastes her time there and
they give her money to then

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spend on items.
Because of capitalism, Yeah.

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So anyways, we got to go on a
date night thanks to my dad who

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watched all four of you know,
three of my children because my

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oldest was at a friend's house,
but.

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Freaking Jeff.
The liquor's calling the shots

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now, Randy.
We got to go to a a musical of

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the Evil Dead, which was really
cool, right?

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You did not because we didn't
have a ticket for you, because

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it came from my wife's place of
employment anyways.

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Told me about it, we could have
gone.

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Dude, it was so cool.
We were in the splash zone for

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blood.
This is the T-shirt that they

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gave.
Us Oh, is that why you're?

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I thought that was just scent
like that, but then I saw it all

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over your faces and I was like,
huh?

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Yeah, yeah.
So I got to get fake blood

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splashed all over me.
My wife walked out with like,

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very, very little bit, huh?
What'd you say?

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Was it fake?
Yeah, it's just.

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I hope so.
Got.

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It my it's deer season sucked.
It's there's even there's

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spraying you with venison blood.
Adrenochromes.

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That tastes like pennies.
Are you sure this is fake?

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Anyways, so if anybody's in the.
Area go up to like 100,000

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tonight we're going to be like
what the hell happened?

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If anybody's in the area or the
Eau Claire area, we watched it

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at the Oxford and it was really,
really cool.

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I think it was the, it's right
next to the University of

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Wisconsin Eau Claire.
Very, very, very cool,

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absolutely hilarious production.
And it's not something I really

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ever thought that I would enjoy
watching, but it was really

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cool.
We had a great time.

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So highly recommended to anybody
that's in the area.

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All right, you guys ready to
jump into the Outlook Pass

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again?
Yes.

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All right, Jeff, you got
anything?

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Yeah, follow me on Twitch.
Shadow band under score band A

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Shadow under score Band under
score pod.

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Follow it.
There you go.

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So you can just watch him
struggle with his microphone.

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Follow me For some reason
there's double the amount of

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viewers in these ones as there
is in mine.

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I don't understand why.
Because you're shadow band.

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Nobody loves me.
I am.

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I'm literally shadow band.
She tested this last week.

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She tried to search me on Twitch
and it did not come up.

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There is no Jeff, only Zool.
I am the liquor, that's it.

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All right, you ready to roll?
Yep.

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All right, the first thing we're
going to talk about tonight is

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infrasound and hypothermia.
During my research, I came

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across many different articles,
books, and documentaries that

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outline infrasound as the most
probable cause for the death of

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the entire Diatlo Pass
expedition.

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Infrasound is the title given to
the frequencies of sound below

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the frequencies that the human
ear can hear.

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The opposite of infrasound is a
common term used in medical

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facilities, ultrasound, where
ultrasound engulfs the

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frequencies that are above the
level of human hearing.

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Infrasound does strange things
to humans.

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It drives us crazy.
You can have some very serious

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physical and psychological
effects on us.

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Infrasound is real and it
affects the hairs in your ear

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the same as what those
frequencies within the range of

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our hearing do.
Sound enters the ear canal and

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vibrates tiny hairs along the
inner ear, which sends signals

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to the brain that you are
receiving a sound.

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Infrasound does the exact same
thing to humans, but the brain

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does not hear any audio inputs,
which causes damaging side

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effects.
There have been many cases in

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which a victim of infrasound has
fallen.

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I'll suffer from nausea and even
had damaging psychological

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injuries sometimes resulting in
the suicide of the victim.

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The theory in the connection
between the D Outlet Pass

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incident and infrasound comes
from the wind coming through the

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snow and rocks of the
surrounding area.

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Moving air is a common producer
of infrasound and with winds

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reaching Gale force levels when
it gusted on the night of

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February 1st, 1959, it is not a
stretch to believe that the

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constant onslaught of moving air
whistling through the various

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details of the terrain may have
caused the crew to suffer

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psychotic like breakdowns or an
extreme case of confusion or

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even both.
Mix the effects of infrasound

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with the common symptom
hypothermia, known as

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paradoxical undressing and you
may very well have a result that

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looks like the outcome of the
Diana Pass incident.

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Paradoxical undressing is a
phenomenon that occurs when some

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people suffer from mild to
severe hypothermia, and it

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involves the victim removing
their clothing due to feeling

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warm or even hot.
It's largely unknown why this

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phenomenon occurs, but the
belief is that it has something

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to do with the brain reaching a
level of cold that in turn makes

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the temperature regulating
portion of our brain work

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incorrectly.
The theory is that this critical

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portion of our brain in this
situation would tell your body

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that you are hot in a freezing
environment.

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The phenomenon of paradoxical
undressing typically goes hand

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in hand with another phenomenon
called Thermo burrowing, AKA

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hide and die syndrome.
Thermo burrowing is in reference

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to the common act of someone
being found dead with no or very

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little clothes on in an area
where they were obviously trying

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to hide themselves.
Bodies are often found in

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obscure places such as the crawl
space under a house, a shallow

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hole that was dugout by hand,
obvious due to the dirt left

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under the corpses fingernails,
and in many cases deep under

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snow.
When you look at the case of the

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last four bodies that were
found, you'll remember that they

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were under 8 feet of snow.
All nine bodies had very little

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clothing on, and the cuts on the
tent show that there was

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possible confusion by someone
trying to get out of the tent,

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which could also explain the
blunt force trauma caused to a

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few of the hikers when you think
about possible fights breaking

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out from the confusion as well.
But just like every other

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possibility in this case, there
are flaws in this theory.

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If they were suffering from
paradoxical undressing, then why

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did they try to light a fire?
If they were suffering from an

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influx of infrasound, then why
are there no more signs of

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confusion?
What would have caused the

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incredible amount of damage to
their clothes?

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Although I believe that the
intense blend of infrasound and

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paradoxical undressing has a
really strong case for being the

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answer to what happened to the D
Outlook team, I need more info

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to make this my actual opinion.
All right guys.

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So what do you guys think about
infrasound and hypothermia?

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I got to say, it doesn't explain
the radiation thing, and to me

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that's what.
We're going to dive into that,

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too.
Oh, I'm sure we will, but it

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still doesn't explain that.
And to me like that's the hold

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up for all the things that we've
gone through so far, right,

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Because you know, we could
explain a lot of the factors of

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of what was found.
I'm going to go back to the

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radiation because I just want to
clarify something.

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What was radiated?
What did they find that was

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radiated?
Clothing.

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Just the clothing.
Clothing and I believe skin and

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organs.
Did they test the area around as

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well or did they just test the
bodies?

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Do you know?
No, so the, the, when they, when

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they found all of the bodies, by
the time they found all the

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bodies, I think it was in May,
this happened February 1st or

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February 2nd.
So it was still very cold.

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Very.
I mean, the, the environment is

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very harsh in the Ural mountain
ranges.

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So no, I, I don't, I don't think
they spent a lot of time out

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there investigating the actual
environment.

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I think they were up there for
that the, the recovery mission

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more than anything else.
Sure, Yeah.

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But I didn't find anything about
them doing.

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It would be interesting to know,
yeah, it would be interesting to

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know if, like the ground around
them was also radiated, right?

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Because then we could like
speculate, hey, like a whole

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number of things could have
happened to just the area,

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right?
And they just happened to be.

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But it is also interesting what
you said about the confusion

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causing somebody to maybe lash
out, right?

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You start beating the shit out
of somebody or murder one of

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them or something like that.
I didn't even think about.

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I'd be a terrible detective
because I didn't even think

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that, hey, maybe somebody in the
group killed all of them.

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I'm over here thinking like
fucking meteors are exploding in

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the eye in the sky.
There's a lot of theories behind

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this and we're going to dive
into a ton of them tonight.

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Jake, what do you think, man?
Well, first of all, I don't have

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any hair, little hairs on my
inner ear cuz I wax them all out

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of there.
So if you haven't done that yet,

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then you're just setting
yourself up for getting

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infrasounded and then killing
yourself.

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That's right.
Yeah.

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So might as well just do it.
That's crazy.

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I I, I didn't know about
infrasound.

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I knew about the hypothermia
thing, about feeling hot and

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stuff.
I think it's at the point where

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your blood starts to freeze and
why maybe it's just the body's

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way of just getting ready for
death, like, you know.

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Yeah.
The same way, you know, you your

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blood starts to thicken and then
you just get tired and then just

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pass out and drift off to sleep.
Right.

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So it's terrible, but, you know,
it is what it is.

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So, yeah, I mean, I'm, I, I
don't think that having levels

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of hypothermia like that is,
would then be surprising that

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people were found with missing
clothes and stuff.

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That's not really the like the
breaking point for me.

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I guess my whole thing is like
what caused them initially to

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run out of the tent, right?
And maybe it was that infrasound

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thing, maybe something else, you
know?

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I know it.
It is weird though that some,

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some of them were found under
like 8 feet of snow, but the

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tent wasn't buried.
If it's going to snow in an area

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even like a mile away, it's
going to blanket the whole area,

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not just over a few people and
not over the tent, you know?

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Yeah, So this is the most common
theory to what happened.

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So any any book documentary that
you read, article podcasts, this

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is something that they're all
going to touch on.

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This is this has come out as
many quote UN quote professional

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opinions as to what actually
happened to the D outlive group.

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But there are many, many other
theories that we're about to

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jump into.
Yeah, Skeeter says that he

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doesn't buy that theory.
They were trained to recognize

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the symptoms.
They were, they were.

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Especially anyone who does any
hardcore outdoor activities,

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especially in the winter time,
knows about how to prepare

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against and how to treat
hypothermia and hypothermic

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reactions right.
Yep, definitely a lot of things

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to look for too.
Also also they had a working

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stove inside the tent.
They had that little pocket

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stove that they had set up in
the middle of the tent where

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they were.
They look like they had a a meal

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already prepped and everything.
Yes, it's not going to provide

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all the warmth that you need,
but I'm pretty sure inside of an

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enclosed area like a.
With nine tent breathers, right?

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You're probably going to at
least be OK from hypothermia

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inside the tent Now once you get
outside of the tent if some you

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know if something comes along
and forces you outside the tent

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and then you become hypothermic,
not much you can do about that.

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I think what Jake said is really
like the important thing, like

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what caused them to exit the
tent, right?

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Because wasn't the cut that they
cut themselves out of the tent?

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Like, wasn't that the whole
thing?

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Like they cut their way out?
So obviously it was an emergency

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to get out of the tent now,
right?

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So like, I want to know what
that was because it wouldn't

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have been a bear, right?
You wouldn't like, I mean,

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maybe, I guess depending on what
side it was coming up on the

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tent, maybe you cut the other
side and everybody runs.

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But yeah, I want to know what
that is, man.

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That's that's definitely.
There would have been bearish

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signs, like the food would have
been eaten and all this sort of

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stuff, you know?
Yeah, unless.

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One of them brought some like
some uranium and then like while

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they were out there, he was
like, hey guys, want to see

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something cool?
And he like pulls out the

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uranium and they're all like,
oh, and then they like cut the

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thing.
And then that's why they're all

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radiated.
Brought the demon core up up on

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the mountain with them and he's
like.

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What I got?
Check this thing out.

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And their skin started burning.
Yeah.

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You know, it would be really
good with that can of beans that

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we're cooking tonight.
Take a little slice of uranium.

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Yeah, right, some yellow cake.
Here man, put a slice of this in

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there.
Yeah, I call it cornbread.

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I keep it around in this bag in
my pocket.

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Geez.
No, no, Skeeter, not the demons.

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The demon core, it's the center
of a was an atomic bomb that's

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highly radiated.
We'll talk about it at some

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point, but it like, yeah, we
will.

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A lot of people have died
dealing with the demon core.

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I don't know if it still exists.
It might.

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Well, you know we.
We we will definitely be talking

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about it.
I just ordered Annie Jacobs new

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nuclear war book.
So we will eventually be diving

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into the Demon Corps.
It's so dope.

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It is.
I'm thinking about rereading it

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just because of the science
around how many people die.

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You read it.
Yeah, well, listen to it.

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Listen to the whole thing.
And you didn't do an episode on

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it yet?
What a Dick.

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I wanted to do one on her Area
51, but I wanted to bring her on

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to do it herself.
You know, like come talk this

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about Area 51.
I bet you will have more than 10

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people in the in the chat then.
That'd be pretty cool.

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Dude, Andy Jacobs just a she
does some really, really cool

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shit.
Get ready.

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Anybody listening there?
There's a lot of Andy Jacobs

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topics coming up.
Yeah, yeah, They got a little

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section of books right there.
Can you see it?

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No, you can't see it.
Yeah, no, I mean, as far as the

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hypothermia thing goes, I think
that it's 100% based.

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That's the reason why some of
them were in various states of

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undress was because of
hypothermic reactions of the

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human body suffering from
hypothermia causing them to

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undress themselves.
That makes sense.

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But again, it's why they got in
that position in the beginning

454
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,920
in in the 1st place, you know?
Did you see Skeeter's message?

455
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,360
Read that.
Yeah, Skeeter says.

456
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:52,520
My wife says that somebody
farted really bad and hot box

457
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:53,880
them in.
That's why they cut their way

458
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,280
out.
You know, I've been in some

459
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,600
situations.
I was camping with a buddy of

460
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,080
mine and he ripped 1 so hard in
the tent that I puked up

461
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,560
everything I just eaten.
I literally unzipped the tent,

462
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,480
lean my head out and just are
violently vomiting.

463
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:13,280
So I mean, it could be Skeeter.
It sounds good if that's.

464
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,520
The answer to this it's like
some guy was like, I, I just

465
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,080
ripped ass and he was, he was
like right next to the the

466
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:22,640
entrance, right?
He's like, no, you guys all have

467
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,000
to deal with it and they're like
no fucked.

468
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,960
Up bad, they ripped their way
out and ran off into the woods.

469
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,000
And died.
And died and that's why it

470
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,880
happened.
That's messed up man.

471
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,080
Watch that be the real I'll tell
you that is not something I

472
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,320
covered.
So kudos.

473
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:42,800
Kudos.
I didn't know.

474
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,840
I'm going to have to.
Crystal said something that made

475
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,520
me think a second ago, she said
Key take away Russia, right?

476
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,960
And she didn't mean what I'm
about to say, but it made me

477
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,000
think of it anyways.
Right.

478
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,920
Russia bro.
Maybe they're all just radiated

479
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,960
back then.
Like is everybody getting tested

480
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,760
for radiation?
No, the people who rescued the

481
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,080
bodies, like did they get tested
how radiated they are?

482
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,960
Like I mean.
It's a good point.

483
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,360
This is Cold War era.
Very good point.

484
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,680
They're just setting shit off
man.

485
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,840
They're just like tested.
Tested over there.

486
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,280
Especially since the Urals.
Were village.

487
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:23,600
Well the Urals were known to be
tested like just a giant range

488
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,600
for testing off shorts.
Of solve the radiation.

489
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,560
Possible.
Okay, all right, so I'll just go

490
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,200
ahead and I'll, I'll just not,
I'll try not to think about the

491
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,560
radiation anymore because it's
just going to hold me up forever

492
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:35,920
and I'm never.
Going to Well, no, we're going

493
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,480
to talk about it again.
We're going to talk about it

494
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,040
right here in this.
This next bit I'll try not to to

495
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,480
let that debunk every other
fucking thing you say.

496
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,880
I'll just assume that they're
all radiated.

497
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,600
Yeah, everyone's radiated.
The hospital staff is radiated.

498
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,200
Yeah.
It's a walk around.

499
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,880
It's like, oh, lost another
fingernail.

500
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,480
Allegedly.
All right, all right, so we only

501
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,280
have 3 sections to go over
tonight.

502
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,320
This is going to be #2 and it's
going to be the longest, so hang

503
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,600
tight.
Listen, because there's a lot in

504
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,680
this one.
Oh, I hope I don't zone out.

505
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:13,480
You better don't Theories that
fail In Donnie Eiker's book Dead

506
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,080
Mountain, the Untold True story
of the DIOT Love Pass incident,

507
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,680
the author mentions a list of
theories set forward by

508
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,120
researchers of the last 65
years.

509
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,880
Quote speculation from these
books and elsewhere ranged from

510
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,080
the mundane to the crackpot,
avalanche, windstorm, murder,

511
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,200
radiation exposure, escaped
prisoner attack, death by

512
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:41,440
shockwave or explosion, death by
nuclear waste, UFOs, aliens, a

513
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,120
vicious bear attack, and a freak
tornado.

514
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,560
He goes on to later mention
another possibility he came

515
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,080
across, which was that the
hikers were killed for

516
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,520
witnessing a top secret missile
launch, since this all took

517
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,440
place in the Soviet Union at the
peak of the Cold War.

518
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,280
In chapter 4, he relays
information from a few

519
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,080
interviews that he did with
people who considered themselves

520
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,360
to be specialist in the Dial of
Case.

521
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,400
These people also had a few
other possibilities to add to

522
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,040
the long list, such as runaway
murderous prison guards, a

523
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,360
lover's quarrel, mythical Arctic
dwarves, top secret military

524
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,360
tests, and Yuri Yudin being the
murderer.

525
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,240
He did show up rather late to
classes, and his story was that

526
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,080
instead of going right back to
the university, he instead went

527
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,800
back to his hometown and spent
some time amongst family and

528
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,720
friends before returning.
I myself have heard many other

529
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,440
possible scenarios, one of which
includes an attack by a Yeti or

530
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:43,080
Yeti like creature. 16 hours
into the search after the tent

531
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,480
was found, the first four bodies
were discovered and the theories

532
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,400
about what may have happened
began to circulate amongst the

533
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,360
searchers.
The leading theory at this point

534
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,920
was that they were blown down
the hill by Gale force winds.

535
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,720
But the investigators that were
looking into the case in Idel

536
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,600
posed a good question in their
return quote.

537
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,600
Why were things left in the tent
if people were swept away by the

538
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,840
wind?
The question is a good one.

539
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,080
If the crew were blown away by
strong gusts, they would have

540
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,400
had the outside of the tent
already, most of whom would not

541
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,000
be properly clothed in the tent
would have likely have been

542
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,600
blown away as well, or at least
had the contents thrown around a

543
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,200
bit if it blew at a forest
strong enough to throw humans

544
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,800
about a mile down the hill, this
would have held true, especially

545
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,600
for the pair of skis that were
later found in front of the tent

546
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,040
under a thin layer of snow,
which would have been on top of

547
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,680
the snow during the incident.
This would later be removed as a

548
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,440
possibility in the official
report.

549
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,800
The next possibility that was
brought up officially was that

550
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,880
they were the victims of an
attack by the native Monzi due

551
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,920
to a Monzi trackway being found
a few kilometers away.

552
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,800
But this was very quickly
forgotten as the Monzi have

553
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,040
always been a very welcoming
tribe and have been known to

554
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,000
house those who are lost until
they can get the help that they

555
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,640
need.
The tracks that were found were

556
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,840
far fresher than the ones made
by the D Outlive group as well,

557
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,680
so there was no evidence that
there was anybody else around

558
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,440
when the incident took place.
One of the most popular opinions

559
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,160
about what happened the night of
the incident is that the team

560
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,200
suffered the wrath of an
avalanche.

561
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,520
Unfortunately, this has been
debunked multiple times as the

562
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,320
position of the tent would not
have allowed enough snow to

563
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,960
release behind it to send the
hikers to their deaths, some

564
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,760
over a mile away, and if it were
an avalanche it would have taken

565
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,280
the tent with it, which
obviously did not happen.

566
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,200
Another hole in this theory is
that the slope of the hill they

567
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,680
were on was not steep enough to
cause more than a few pieces of

568
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,800
snow to be flown off by the
wind, let alone an avalanche

569
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,240
that sent full grown adults to
their deaths.

570
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,920
Another theory outlines carbon
monoxide poisoning as a possible

571
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,360
explanation, but the main source
of carbon monoxide would have

572
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,880
been the stove that they used
for cooking, but it had shown no

573
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,480
signs of being used when found.
How about a bear or a wolf?

574
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,960
Or a pack of wolves?
Unfortunately, this seems to not

575
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,440
be the answer as a majority of
the footprints of the crew were

576
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,240
found under a thin layer of snow
in the vicinity of the tent, but

577
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,760
no other prints were ever
discovered, which would

578
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:31,320
seemingly eliminate any known or
unknown animal on two or four

579
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,080
legs.
Well then, what about the

580
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,200
possibility of the crew being
intoxicated?

581
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,120
Well, even though one of the
members had brought medical

582
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,760
alcohol for first aid and
another did have a hidden flask

583
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,240
in their bag, the toxicology
reports from the autopsies

584
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,240
proves that intoxication was not
a factor in their deaths.

585
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,520
Before Ivanov departed by
helicopter on the Fourth, he

586
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,400
sent a cryptic radiogram to the
nearby towns.

587
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:03,080
Quote would like to ask if any
new type of meteorological

588
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,840
rocket probe flew over the
incident place on the evening of

589
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,360
February 1st.
This would later be cleared up

590
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,560
in in Eiker's book Dead Mountain
as a possible theory which

591
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,920
involves one person outside,
possibly to take a leak, who

592
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,199
witnessed a large bright light
in the sky and yelled for

593
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,280
everyone to get out of the tent
and run as their belief was that

594
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,960
it was coming directly at them.
This was questioned due to a

595
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,960
report by another group that was
in the area on February 17th

596
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:38,080
that all witnessed a quote
strange celestial phenomenon.

597
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:42,000
This event was also described by
many others in the area,

598
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,440
including the Monsey.
The light was so bright that and

599
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,400
many were awakened from their
beds, and one person even

600
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,800
claimed that he believed that
another planet was about to hit

601
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,600
the Earth.
Could the members of the Diatlav

602
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,360
expedition witness something
similar that frightened them

603
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,360
enough to leave their warm tent
without proper clothing?

604
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,280
Another group would make mention
to Georgie's father during his

605
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,320
funeral service about how they
were also hiking in the area but

606
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,680
a bit earlier in the month.
Like the group previously

607
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,680
mentioned, they too saw the
bright light, but they described

608
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,400
it as being a rocket and that
they were only 25 miles South of

609
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,800
Diallo's past.
Yet another group had reported

610
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,400
seeing orbs in the sky over the
Northern Urals at 6:00 AM on

611
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,120
February 17th.
This event was also reported by

612
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,160
prison guards in the area, as
well as a few other groups.

613
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,760
They all reported a steadily
growing light in the sky that

614
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,440
seemed to be pulsing, moving
westward.

615
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,760
In fact, the sheer number of
reports that came in about

616
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,000
glowing orbs in the sky around
the time of the incident was

617
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,800
overwhelming, and authorities
were forced to look at the

618
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,960
phenomenon as a possible answer
to what happened to them.

619
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:56,760
Prosecutor Ivanov would later be
called to Moscow for an unknown

620
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,960
reason, and when he returned,
his attitude for the case and

621
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:03,200
the bright lights in the sky
completely changed, changed by

622
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,480
having his team drop any
investigations into lights in

623
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,800
the sky in the area of the
incident at any time.

624
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,560
In a later interview, which was
quoted in Eiker's book, Ivanov

625
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,080
explained his change in interest
as a connection to the time

626
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,160
frame being within the height of
the Cold War Quote.

627
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,360
Such topics were prohibited in
order to prevent the slightest

628
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,120
possibility of disclosing data
on missile and nuclear

629
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,600
techniques.
A friend of the group made a

630
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,440
comment at some point that she
had attended the funerals of the

631
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,000
1st 5 hikers and that the
strangest thing was that their

632
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,400
skin was completely browned, not
black or dark purple as you

633
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,840
would expect from frostbite.
She would later make mention

634
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,560
that she often wonders if the
weird lights in the sky that

635
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,440
everyone was reporting had
anything to do with the color of

636
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,960
their skin at their funerals.
But one more piece of evidence

637
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,320
keeps researchers clasping to
the subject of UFOs.

638
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,720
The very last picture ever taken
by the group was a peculiar one.

639
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,280
It was on Georgie's camera and
was a fairly simple picture of a

640
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:14,320
black background which could be
taken as either from the inside

641
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,720
at night or in the outdoors at
night.

642
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,000
But it was a strange out of
focus light that splashed the

643
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,480
top left side of the frame that
leaves many unable to clarify

644
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,680
what exactly this may be a
picture of.

645
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,160
Yet there are plenty of those
that have looked at the D outlet

646
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,760
case over time and believe that
this may be an attempt at

647
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,480
capturing an image of a bright
light over their position.

648
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,560
On the night of the D Outlet
Pass incident, the UFO theory

649
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:47,920
was revealed to be Lev Ivanov's
leading theory as to what

650
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,640
actually happened to the crew
that night.

651
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,760
According to author Keith
McCloskey in his book Mountain

652
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,040
of the Dead, The Diotlik Pass
Incident, Ivanov would make his

653
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,240
admission years after his
retirement.

654
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,480
One answer that enthusiasts of
the Diotlik Pass incident never

655
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:10,080
received an answer to was quote
where did he get the idea to use

656
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,080
a Geiger counter as part of his
evidence collection?

657
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,080
The escaped prisoner theory is
another that has been bounced

658
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,000
around quite a bit.
It is true that there were a

659
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,520
number of gulag camps in and
around the area of the Ural

660
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,240
Mountains in the 50s and 60s.
It was still too cold for

661
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:31,080
someone to survive out in the
wild as an escapee.

662
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,960
The theory includes an escaped
prisoner or a band of prisoners

663
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,680
following the group when they
departed the gulag camp in

664
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,960
Evedale a few days prior on
January 25th, and ultimately

665
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,600
killed the entire crew to
scavenge their belongings for

666
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,400
food, warm clothes, and most
likely alcohol.

667
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,960
This was the closest camp to
where each member took their

668
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,320
last breaths.
This is still too far and too

669
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,800
long for someone without the
benefits that the group had,

670
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,720
such as a tent for shelter, a
storage of food, and fresh water

671
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,280
could survive in the fridge
attempts, with the next closest

672
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,400
camp being 370 miles away from
Diallo Pass.

673
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,360
As mentioned in Keith
Mccloskey's book Mountain of the

674
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:16,040
Dead, The Diallo Pass Incident,
this camp wasn't only far away,

675
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,680
but it was 370 miles to the
north of their location, in an

676
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,920
area that is known to get much
colder and far less forgiving

677
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,320
than the area their camp was
found in.

678
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,000
And with no other footprints
found other than from the

679
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,480
unfortunate crew, it would be
difficult to believe that this

680
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,040
is the answer to the mystery.
All right, a lot of topics

681
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,880
there, boys.
Look, ma'am, UFO, right?

682
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,840
I mean, I know that's where
we're going with this, right?

683
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,160
We must be logical.
OK, well fuck me then.

684
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,880
Yeah.
Because, you know, I was

685
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:57,920
thinking, you know, because
could be, could be UFO, but then

686
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,880
I'm thinking like, I don't
really know of any other UFO

687
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,520
sightings where people died from
it.

688
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,320
But I'm sure there must be.
And the US, the the US

689
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,040
intelligence agencies in the way
that they like hush up

690
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,440
information is different than
what the Russians do,

691
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:16,000
especially, you know, in Soviet
era, right, Russia.

692
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,400
So it's like they could have
been doing my labs too.

693
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,280
I'm sure they were.
Yeah, if we if we had my labs

694
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,560
back then, I'm sure they had my
labs back then because I think

695
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:30,920
that that level of projects, the
my lab projects and military

696
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,400
abductions for people who don't
know, I think that's above like

697
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,520
this border bullshit, if that
makes sense.

698
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,720
Yeah, like I think if the US and
Russia went to war right now, I

699
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:48,560
think all of the Super secret
programs that are involved with

700
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:54,600
like UFOs and and whatever that
transcends wars and stuff like

701
00:40:54,600 --> 00:41:00,560
that between nations.
So I agree, I I hear a lot that

702
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,000
the the next big war is going to
be the next big drop in

703
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,960
technology.
You're going to see a whole

704
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,840
bunch of shit come out, which I
think is true.

705
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,720
I just don't think that you're
going to see everything.

706
00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:15,560
And I think that the reverse
engineered UFO technology or

707
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,800
anything of the such when it
comes to like, you know,

708
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:23,200
possible alternation of
dimensions or, or planes of

709
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,280
existence, which I think is
something that that the military

710
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,640
has been heavily involved in as
of, as of recently at least.

711
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:33,800
I don't think you're going to
see that.

712
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:39,080
And I, I think that there's kind
of a, a truce when it comes to

713
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:45,960
some of the, the, the black
market military programs like

714
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,520
that among.
You can see that clearly because

715
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:55,800
right now, like everybody's all
hyped about like hypersonic

716
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:57,680
shit, right?
Like that.

717
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,520
Oh, there's this plane that can
fly from Beijing to London in

718
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,880
like an hour and a half or
whatever, whatever it is.

719
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:04,200
And it's like, yeah, that's
cool.

720
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,400
And that's super fast and all,
But if you look at the plane,

721
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,440
you're like, OK, listen, it's
not very practical still.

722
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,560
And I'm sure that the pictures
that we have in in the Publix

723
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,240
probably still aren't like the
actual, you know, plane itself,

724
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:17,240
right?
I'm sure that's still pretty

725
00:42:17,240 --> 00:42:22,120
secretive.
But it's like, how practical is

726
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,000
that?
I mean, they're still telling us

727
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,600
that they're just trying to get
to like that hypersonic level,

728
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,960
like just get across the
continents in like a couple

729
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,600
hours when realistically they
can snap there, they can blink

730
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,160
there.
Yeah, I think that it's a a

731
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:44,040
mistake to sleep on the Arctic
or the Arctic dwarves.

732
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,680
Yeah, no, 100% like.
The Arctic dwarves.

733
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,280
Yeah, the Mystic Arctic dwarves,
like, you can't sleep on that.

734
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:55,800
And you're like, oh, it's not
that.

735
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,320
And it's like, well, how do you
know?

736
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,160
Like the ones from the box saga?
No, these are more like, you

737
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,560
know, Mystic Arctic doors, not
just Arctic doors.

738
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,840
I mean, come on.
But yeah, a lot of stuff there.

739
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,440
Definitely interesting.
I don't know, man, I I the

740
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,040
missile one is interesting.
That's pretty cool because I

741
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,200
would, I would react like that
if say we were on a camping trip

742
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,280
and you were out taking a leak
and you screamed out, hey Jake,

743
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,120
there's a missile heading
towards us.

744
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,240
Get out of the tent.
Like I would leave my boots and

745
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,720
whatever I wasn't wearing would
not be put on before I was

746
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:38,800
leaving the tent.
But why would you cut the tent?

747
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,040
I don't know.
See, this is the problem with

748
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,800
every single explanation when it
comes to the outlet pass and all

749
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,880
of the theories is that there's
one hole to poke in every single

750
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,520
one of them.
Yeah, even really smart people

751
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:53,920
are dumb sometimes.
What?

752
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,000
I have a picture.
What if the reporting is just

753
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,000
fucked?
This is Russia we're talking

754
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,880
about.
Oh yeah, no, that definitely

755
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,000
could be.
Definitely could be.

756
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,840
You know, because what if one of
these theories is the right one?

757
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,520
But they were like, oh shit, we
can't say that like this guy was

758
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,160
respectable man, or whatever the
case might have been.

759
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,920
Like just tell him this.
But then it creates this

760
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,480
fucking, you know.
I mean, we'll, we'll talk about

761
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,000
it a little bit more when we get
to our final thoughts, but I'm,

762
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,400
I'm not far from from what
you're what you're saying there,

763
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,840
man.
Maybe they cut the tent because

764
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,680
nine or eight people trying to
slam their way out of the

765
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,720
entrance, someone just freaked
out, whipped out their knife and

766
00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:34,960
cut the back and then jumped.
Out.

767
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:39,960
I mean, maybe, maybe I don't.
I don't think so man,

768
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,240
personally.
What do you think?

769
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,640
Oh, we're going to talk about it
afterwards.

770
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,960
Tell me until you know.
Tells us he never wants to tell

771
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:48,880
us.
Yeah.

772
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:52,800
I always tell you, always tell
you, but at the end, always.

773
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,360
And then you guys, a month
later, he's like, I just found a

774
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,920
new book on this thing.
It's completely changed my

775
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,280
opinion on.
It Oh my gosh, I love it too.

776
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:06,360
We have we have yet to revisit a
topic to where I can I can

777
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,480
provide new.
Information.

778
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,600
All the good pieces out of the
Ghirardelli's.

779
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,240
What is it called?
Gardeto's Gardenos.

780
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:16,440
Garden Delis.
Yeah, sponsor us, but we can't

781
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,560
say your name properly.
Yeah, good morning every single

782
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,480
time I'll.
Spell your name right, Gorel

783
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,120
all.
Right, you guys ready?

784
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,960
Last part.
Last part, let's talk about

785
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,760
Carmen Vortex St.
The phenomenon known as Carmen

786
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,600
Vortex Street is an occurrence
in fluid dynamics of both

787
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,400
liquids and gases.
It most commonly occurs when a

788
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:45,520
force of wind or water strikes a
mass that causes similar effects

789
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,720
to that of airflow on an
airplane's wing.

790
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:53,480
To take a step back, Bernoulli's
principle is a key concept of

791
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:58,080
fluid dynamics that outlines the
flow of either a liquid or gas

792
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,360
over a physical surface.
In the case of airplanes in

793
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,000
flight, Bernoulli's principle is
applied when the air that is

794
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,520
being forced towards the leading
edge of an airplane's wing,

795
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,920
which is in the shape known as
an airfoil, also seen in boat

796
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:18,200
sails and propeller blades, is
split and forced to take two

797
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,880
paths, one on the top of the
airfoil and the other on the

798
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,520
bottom.
The amount of tilt applied to

799
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,800
the wing by the pilot determines
which path has the farther

800
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:34,320
distance to travel since the air
that was split at the leading

801
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,720
edge of the wing will travel 2
separate paths but still get to

802
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:41,800
the trailing edge of the wing at
the same time.

803
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,920
This will apply pressure on the
side of the wing that causes the

804
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,560
air to move at a lesser velocity
to meet the other flow on time.

805
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,040
This higher pressure on the
lower velocity side of the

806
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,960
airfoil causes the principle of
flight known as lift, and the

807
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,960
aircraft raises away from the
ground when the pilot pivots the

808
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:09,240
angle of the airfoil to swap the
shorter and longer paths.

809
00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:12,720
The airfoil will then start its
descent.

810
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,560
Now Bernoulli's principle is not
what caused the deaths of those

811
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:21,440
hikers, but the effects of the
wind in the area hitting certain

812
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,960
surfaces and abiding by this
well known physics principle

813
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:31,640
very well could be the cause.
For example, the Rock of

814
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,520
Gibraltar in the British
territory of Gibraltar on the

815
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:41,000
coast of the Mediterranean Sea
is long thought to be a great

816
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,040
example of the phenomenon of the
previously mentioned Harman

817
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,400
Vortex St. which is caused by
Bernoulli's principle in a vague

818
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,560
sense.
But instead of the airflow

819
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:56,040
nicely moving over or under a
piece of airfoil, the wind

820
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:01,360
instead is forced over a mix of
extreme angles and smooth domes

821
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:06,040
in various locations, which in
turn causes the Carmen Vortex

822
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,120
St. phenomenon.
In the case of airflow moving

823
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,960
across uneven surfaces, the
trailing edge will sometimes

824
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:18,920
create a possibly very strong
and damaging vortex or tornado

825
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,440
pattern which is commonly
accompanied by infrasonic

826
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,000
frequencies.
This is thought to be the most

827
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,560
probable reason for the
capsizing of many ships

828
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,600
throughout the history in the
Straight of Gibraltar.

829
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:36,320
This leads us to theory with the
most belief when it comes to

830
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,120
what happened to the D outlet
crew.

831
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,880
But in this case the rocket
Gibraltar would be swapped out

832
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:46,040
for the nearby O Tort and
Mountain, which just so happened

833
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,680
to be the original destination
plan for the D outlet crew.

834
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:55,120
As mentioned in Eiker's book.
Doctor Alfred J Better mentions

835
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,760
to the author that it would be
the general Dome like shape of

836
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:03,000
the mountain and the surrounding
areas of jagged ledges that

837
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:07,760
would be the perfect fabricator
of a set of horizontally moving

838
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,760
Carmen vortices as well as the
accompanied infrasound.

839
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,520
There has been a lot of research
into the wind directions,

840
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:20,360
temperature and wind speed of
the night in question, and it

841
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,040
seems that everything was
perfect for this exact scenario.

842
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:29,240
When considering the mixing of
the intense symptoms of extreme

843
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:34,080
infrasound and the audible sound
of literal horizontal tornado

844
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:38,400
formations of wind, which
themselves would produce ground

845
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,320
shakes and vibrations that would
be felt in the environment

846
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:46,320
around them as well in the chest
of all the victims, it's not so

847
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:50,160
difficult to imagine that there
would have been a confusion

848
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:55,680
infused anxiety caused reaction
to their situation that

849
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,040
ultimately ended with them
outside their tent in an attempt

850
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,840
to outrun whatever they believed
to have been making the

851
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,920
incredible sound.
Author Donnie Iker describes the

852
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:12,440
twin horizontal tornadoes built
as most possibly going like this

853
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,120
quote.
These vortices barrel past the

854
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:19,920
hikers at 40 mph with an
internal wind rotation of 113

855
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:25,200
and 157 mph, the equivalent of
an F2 tornado.

856
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:30,320
The Twisters have since grown in
size 100 feet wide and 130 feet

857
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,440
tall, and in addition to their
audible roar, they are

858
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,920
generating an infrasonic
frequency that has been wreaking

859
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,840
havoc on the hikers minds.
To put it all together in a

860
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:46,040
fictional scenario, I have done
my best to paint a picture of

861
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,880
what could have been the final
moments of the hikers lives that

862
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,960
night in very early February of
1959, while using the scientific

863
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,000
and descriptive information
gathered investigators from both

864
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,080
the past and present.
These incredible vortices do not

865
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,160
actually hit the tent, nor the
hikers.

866
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,400
Rather, they parallel each other
on opposite sides of the tent,

867
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:11,560
creating an invisible Chamber of
infrasonic sounds that prod at

868
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,840
the hikers as they lay inside of
their tent that night,

869
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,800
desperately trying to sleep In
the -25�� environment.

870
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,920
Sound moves easier and cold, and
if the crew would hear the

871
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,400
sounds that were causing them
their head, chest and body

872
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,880
aches, they would have lost
their minds on that alone.

873
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,920
But it was the psychotropic
effects of the infra noise and

874
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,680
the blaring of the intense
audible sounds that can only be

875
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,720
produced by twin tornadoes in
the freezing cold that scared

876
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:45,080
and confused the hikers into
thinking that they were close to

877
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,440
being the victim of an unknown
incoming object.

878
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,120
Forcing them to leave in haste
almost immediately after cutting

879
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:56,040
open the tent and filing out
from the hole and the door flap.

880
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,360
Without time or the mental
ability to get their proper

881
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,040
clothes on, the two groups take
off in separate directions, as

882
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,840
proven by the trackways found by
the 1st searchers.

883
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,240
One group of six to make it to
the tree line and begin to build

884
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:14,080
a fire once they are no longer
in range of the sound, which

885
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:18,400
could only be compared to a
point to a freight train feet

886
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,280
away from their heads.
One man climbs a small tree and

887
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,520
begins to snap branches off as
leaf litter is not obtainable

888
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:31,200
when it is under feet of snow
and sadly falls, which would

889
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,080
eventually contribute to his
death.

890
00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:37,240
But the fierce wind and freezing
temperature begin to make the

891
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:41,480
hikers, who are most likely
becoming more lucid after moving

892
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,360
away from the sources of
infrasound, realized that they

893
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:46,920
are beginning to lose the
battle.

894
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,720
So a group of three break off
and begin hiking further down

895
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:54,360
towards the cache of equipment
they had stored for the return

896
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,720
trip as a last ditch effort to
save their own lives.

897
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,480
The two others stay back with
their friend who fell off of the

898
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,760
tree and planned to attempt to
create a bed for them to carry

899
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,640
him down the mountain, as seen
in the branches that were being

900
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,160
clutched by one of the men who
stayed back.

901
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,360
But these three soon cast their
last breaths as they give up on

902
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,800
their hopes to escape and rather
enjoy their final moments

903
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,840
basking in the warmth caused by
the effects of hypothermia on

904
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,840
their bodies.
The three who left the group

905
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,000
unfortunately fell down a 24
foot embankment well on their

906
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,560
way to the destination, where
they ultimately suffered damage

907
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,160
to various parts of their bodies
by the excessive force of

908
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,520
falling.
The female of the group hits so

909
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,880
hard that she bites her tongue
clear off as well as breaks her

910
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,080
nose, while one of the men
suffered trauma to his head that

911
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,800
would leave him dead far sooner
than the other two.

912
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,760
They all suffer broken ribs and
take their last breaths in or

913
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,840
near the Creek at the bottom of
their fall.

914
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,320
The last three are separated
almost immediately after leaving

915
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,640
the tent.
They are not far from each

916
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,880
other, nor are they very far
from the tent itself, but due to

917
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,480
low visibility from the snow
being kicked up from the

918
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,960
vortices which makes the
distance traveled of their yells

919
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:14,520
and screams estimated to only be
about 50 feet in the conditions

920
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,440
they were trapped in.
Each of them were in their own

921
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,800
personal open cell where all 5
senses fail and become useless

922
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,520
as they slowly pass away from
the cold of a Torton mountain

923
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,480
just prior to 3:00 AM when the
moon was supposed to break the

924
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:34,160
horizon and join the pitch of
night, giving a slight hand to

925
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:38,520
those that may need it thought.
It was dense, yes, dense and

926
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,480
intense and I agree.
That I built, that I.

927
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,920
Did I agree?
Well, I know you you put it in

928
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,840
there.
He said that this is your

929
00:54:47,720 --> 00:54:50,960
basically trying to trying to
spin it spinning yarn.

930
00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:52,840
But dude, that's that's pretty
crazy.

931
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:57,080
So basically like I don't know
what we call them dirt devils

932
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,360
when the wind kicks up and
creates a small mini tornado and

933
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,880
then they can be pretty loud.
They're you know, and they're

934
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,520
not lethal.
They're not going to pick you up

935
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,480
off the ground.
Usually they might throw some

936
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:13,480
stuff around, but you get like
flat Prairie lands and stuff

937
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:14,880
like that.
Sometimes the wind will kick up

938
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,000
and create like a little dirt
vortex or whatever.

939
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:19,880
So that's basically what
happened.

940
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:25,360
So to to kind of expand on to
this because I, I didn't do a

941
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:32,200
great job of explaining it to
answer Skeeter's comment here

942
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:36,160
too, he says that sounds like it
would have to be extremely

943
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,240
perfect condition for for that
to happen.

944
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:41,280
Plus everything would have been
thrown tent included.

945
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:48,160
Yes, true, but there have been a
lot of research into the Carmen

946
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,600
vortex theory when it came to
this particular event.

947
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:57,840
Now the IT is known that the
area does produce Carmen

948
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,480
vortexes.
It does do that and then the the

949
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,320
middle of these vortexes is
called the street.

950
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,520
That's why they call it a Carmen
vortex St.

951
00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:10,840
So in the middle of the two
vortexes, it's actually very

952
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,840
calm.
There's not a lot of wind.

953
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,600
That's why the theory is that
the the vortexes would have

954
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,920
paralleled each other leaving
the tent in the middle of it.

955
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,360
They would have heard all the
noise, the loud noise that sound

956
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,040
like a freight train about to
hit them.

957
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:35,480
I mean, imagine how how you know
2F2 tornadoes, one on each side

958
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:39,320
of your tent, you know, you
know, probably 50 to 100 feet

959
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:44,400
away just barreling like this.
Not like this, not like a normal

960
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,000
tornado, but horizontally like
this.

961
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:52,280
Oh, OK.
So yeah, these are horizontal

962
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:53,920
vortices, by the way.
They're not.

963
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,520
I don't know if I put that in
there, but I thought I did.

964
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,840
Horizontal vortices.
And the street in the middle is

965
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,760
calm.
So you're hearing all this stuff

966
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,840
happen.
While you're hearing it happen,

967
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,520
you're freaking out.
This shit's loud as fuck on top

968
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:08,960
of that.
Yes.

969
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,720
On top of that, you had the
infrasound that's being kicked

970
00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:16,600
up by the by the sound of these
vortices hitting things like

971
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:23,560
hard ice, rocks, ledges, trees,
everything that that's possibly

972
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,800
in the way is making some sort
of dog whistle sound.

973
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,360
You know where you can't hear
it, but the hairs in your ear

974
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,400
can't.
They can feel these vibrations

975
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,480
that are being sent through
through the air or the

976
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:41,640
atmosphere, and your brain is
getting signals that, you know

977
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,360
there's something being done,
but you're not getting that

978
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,920
audible input.
All you're hearing is, you know,

979
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,080
whatever the fuck this thing is
that's outside your tent, you're

980
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,600
not aware of it.
You think, OK, something's

981
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,640
really fucked.
Something's going to hit us,

982
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:00,920
right?
Then there's the possibility

983
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:06,200
that not only did it go, you
know, paralleling each other on

984
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,960
the left and right side of the
tent, but what if it paralleled

985
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,240
North and South?
The South end was where the

986
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,840
entrance was.
The North End was where it was

987
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,040
backed up into the snow.
Now, if you believe that there

988
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:23,400
was something going to hit you
from where the the entrance of

989
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,640
the tent was, that would be a
reason to cut open the tent.

990
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,120
If you thought that you were
going to open that tent up and

991
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:34,960
get hit by some kind of falling
craft or meteor or whatever the

992
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:39,280
fuck you thought this was some
ghost train bullshit, you would

993
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,480
have cut yourself out of the
side of the tent.

994
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:42,480
Does that help clear it up?
I.

995
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,840
Don't know if these pictures on
Google are like the actual

996
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,840
pictures, you know the tree.
Like kind of still.

997
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,840
I'm still with Skeeter on this.
I understand like the tent might

998
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,600
not have been thrown but like
there's trees in some of these

999
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,080
pictures.
Like the trees don't look like

1000
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,200
they were disturbed or broken or
snapped.

1001
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,040
Doesn't look like any type of F2
tornado went anywhere near this

1002
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:07,040
tent according to the trees that
aren't that far away in some of

1003
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,160
these pictures.
If these are the right pictures,

1004
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,640
If.
If it is Russia after all.

1005
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,160
That's true.
It is Russia.

1006
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,600
You do have to remember that it
is Russia.

1007
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,840
I mean, yeah, Skeeter, I mean,
it's possible, but it's highly

1008
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:23,640
unlikely.
But so is a Sharknado.

1009
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,640
But from the documentaries we
know that that happened.

1010
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:29,240
So you know, there's like 3
documentaries of the Sharknado.

1011
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,640
And it doesn't explain the
radiation still, sorry.

1012
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,400
No, it doesn't.
But but like you said.

1013
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,120
Earlier in a bomb range.
Yeah, like you said earlier, it

1014
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:49,200
could definitely be, you know
that the whole area is just hot,

1015
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,480
right?
Good.

1016
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:55,400
Trying to bring up some some
pictures here for you guys.

1017
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:56,960
You better bring up some
pictures for us.

1018
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,000
I'm doing my best.
Well, it's not good enough, so

1019
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,960
be better.
All right, let's see here.

1020
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,800
Let's see here.
Share screen share.

1021
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:11,840
OK, so this right here is the
standard Carmen vortex, right?

1022
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:17,320
So here is the object such as
the airfoil and the Bernoulli's

1023
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,280
principle that I was talking
about, right?

1024
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:20,640
And this could be anything.
It could.

1025
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:22,880
This is just a random circle
that they throw in here.

1026
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,880
But you get air that's blowing
in this way.

1027
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,520
You get the path going one side
and then the other, and then

1028
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,360
they come off on this other
side.

1029
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,920
And as long as this object is
not uniform like an airfoil is

1030
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,800
on the aircraft wing like that,
let's say this is jagged rocks

1031
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:43,960
like the Strait of Gibraltar,
you get these, this Little Mix

1032
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,440
up of shit happening right here.
That's what that's.

1033
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:49,960
What's happening?
Yeah, and then you get this

1034
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:54,400
weird pattern, you know, where
you have flowing air coming up

1035
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,800
and eventually it curls back on
itself, causes another one, and

1036
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,680
then you get all of this shit.
Right.

1037
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:03,240
Let's see.
Can I?

1038
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:04,840
It's not going to let me bring
up.

1039
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,560
You should be a professor at a
college.

1040
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:09,080
Yeah, right.
But.

1041
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,560
Those explanations.
Let's see.

1042
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,080
Let me see.
Here's another.

1043
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,520
This is what I was talking about
in your comment.

1044
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,960
I remember reading that there
are areas with natural radiation

1045
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:25,080
in that part of Russia.
I mean, I'm sure that Russia put

1046
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,120
that out right.
Like, you know, these there are

1047
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:33,320
areas of natural radiation.
It is not us in our projects and

1048
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,600
programs.
That's crazy.

1049
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,400
It's definitely not us.
It is natural.

1050
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,160
Yes, there's natural radiation.
We don't.

1051
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,200
We don't know what you're
talking about.

1052
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,200
I'm not doing it.
Why not?

1053
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,800
I can't.
Like boy howdy, there's natural

1054
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,840
radiation them hills.
Like wrong accent, Jeremy.

1055
01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:00,840
Yeah, should have Sam, but yeah,
so.

1056
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,000
Oh look, the group of hikers.
Let's shoot a nuclear missile at

1057
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,880
them.
So imagine two of those things

1058
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,800
paralleling each other.
That's and then in the middle

1059
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:14,040
would be the street you got the
two carbon vortexes and carbon

1060
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,120
vortex St. phenomenon is the
middle of of these two carbon

1061
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:23,880
vortexes that is is called.
So there you go.

1062
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:29,240
That is that is what I believe
is the best explanation for what

1063
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,640
happened.
Watched a couple videos on the

1064
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:36,400
phenomenon on carbon vortex St.
In fact, they use the D outlet

1065
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:41,920
past mystery as one of the best
explanations for how this could

1066
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:54,520
have might drawn a blank here.
Yeah, this is how something like

1067
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:58,880
this could affect a human so so
much that it could kill them.

1068
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,280
Lethal.
Lethal implementations.

1069
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:02,640
Yeah, I'm saying.
Words.

1070
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,080
Implementations.
Yes, yes.

1071
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,680
Yeah.
Here in the rabbit hole, we make

1072
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:10,840
up our own words if we can't
find the words we want to say.

1073
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:14,200
We use half real words, half not
real words, OK.

1074
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:18,480
That's right.
We work in a field of

1075
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,160
pseudoscience.
Now we create pseudo words.

1076
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,840
Wasn't there somebody whose face
was missing?

1077
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,080
Face.
Hey, somebody's lips were

1078
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,440
missing or some shit.
Yeah, so the the tongue.

1079
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:30,880
I'm trying to raise that kind of
stuff.

1080
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:32,880
They're you just you just sound
like a robot.

1081
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:33,680
The.
Tongue's one you.

1082
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,560
I remember you saying that the
chick she bit her tongue off,

1083
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,400
possibly when she fell off the
Cliff.

1084
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:44,000
Well, the other ones, the ones
with the real bad decomposition

1085
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,840
were in the water of of the
Creek that was underneath the

1086
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:53,280
the, the snowpack.
That is the reason why they were

1087
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,600
so badly decomposed.
And then they were also found

1088
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:00,600
two months after the incident.
Well, actually almost three

1089
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:02,600
months after the incident
because it was in I believe it

1090
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:07,560
was in May, March, April, May.
So that's.

1091
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:11,640
So they got hit by they got hit
by a side sideways tornado.

1092
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:16,000
They they didn't get hit by 11
scared the shit out of them and

1093
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:20,520
took them out of their tent and
the six that made it to the tree

1094
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:26,800
line they they got out of the
out of the the Harbs way of.

1095
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,000
It's such.
A stretch dude for.

1096
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:35,480
Not only that like the thing to
happen, but then for all of them

1097
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,600
did that like dude has to also
die from a freak accident

1098
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,160
falling out of the tree.
These people then also.

1099
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:42,680
Your eyes falling.
Off a Cliff.

1100
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,040
The better thing then, and
they're coming down out of a

1101
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,040
tree in Arizona and taking a
lady up off the ground and

1102
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,040
pulling her into the tree where
she gets eaten.

1103
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,800
No, shut up.
Like we I don't we talked about

1104
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:58,240
some wild stuff on this show.
I mean it's I'm surprised that's

1105
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,480
not Sam squamishes, but still.
Like that's pretty trippy.

1106
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:07,840
The best explanation to me is
that something fishy happened in

1107
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,840
that the Russian authorities
were like no, no, no, no, no,

1108
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,800
don't, don't put that out.
Just put something else.

1109
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:15,680
Now they.
Became target practice for

1110
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:20,040
Spetsnaz sniper.
Could have been, I mean

1111
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,200
realistically they could have it
could have been right and they

1112
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,360
would have been like, you know,
you will tell him that it was

1113
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:28,000
sideways tornado.
I was tornado.

1114
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,320
The science lines up, believe
me.

1115
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,360
Now come over.
We're making borst.

1116
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:39,240
You guys are funny, all right?
So come on, give me, give me

1117
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:40,920
your best shot.
What do you got?

1118
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,920
I don't got anything else for me
that that was dope.

1119
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:48,920
I'm probably for the first time
in the entirety of the show

1120
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:55,440
going to say that I believe that
that's what happened to a

1121
01:05:55,440 --> 01:06:04,040
percentage of like 89%.
Yeah, point 589.5% true that

1122
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:08,440
that's what happened.
The only other thing that I

1123
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,480
can't, I just don't know why
they would leave the the tent

1124
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,520
instead of like just poking
their head out and being like,

1125
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,320
but at the same time, I've never
heard ultrasound before.

1126
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,520
I've heard the brown note, which
I was messing around with my

1127
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:21,880
Subs and I almost crapped my
pants.

1128
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,160
That was pretty neat.
I actually like looked that up

1129
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,000
on YouTube so I could see if
someone would play the

1130
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,240
infrasound so I could blast it
on the speakers and see what I

1131
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:34,360
do.
But apparently it's just like a

1132
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:38,200
level of Hertz, like one guy
said like 15 Hertz and it caused

1133
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:43,320
them to kind of act very
strangely and just like a 15

1134
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,480
Hertz tone.
So I, I kind of want to throw

1135
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,000
that up there.
I'll be like, you know, give

1136
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,600
Whitney a pair of earplugs and
I'll just be exposed to it.

1137
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,280
And I'll just be like, I just
want to see what happens, you

1138
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:55,520
know?
And you'll be there with your

1139
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:59,160
earplugs to turn it off.
If I start, like, seizing up or

1140
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,520
something crazy but start
fighting ghosts.

1141
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,440
Yeah, right.
The demons come out of the out

1142
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:10,720
of the keyboard and stuff.
But yeah, I don't know.

1143
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:15,360
There's a lot of weird stuff in
the world that like, I mean, I

1144
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,480
imagine if it was something
crazy like that, you just had

1145
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:21,600
never heard that sound before.
Mm hmm.

1146
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,960
You know, especially as you
said, it would be like shaking

1147
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:27,760
everything, so shaking the
ground.

1148
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,400
So you think you're, you're
experiencing a, an earthquake,

1149
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:35,680
probably a lot of rumbling.
But then also they say that

1150
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:39,160
tornadoes sound like, you know,
trains and stuff, you know, the,

1151
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:40,840
the weird sounds of the wind and
stuff.

1152
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,400
So I mean, yeah, that would be a
pretty crazy thing.

1153
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:52,280
I I still don't know if I would
run outside towards whatever was

1154
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,440
outside you.
You feel what I'm saying?

1155
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,880
Yeah.
Picking up and down like like if

1156
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,560
I heard a bear outside, I
wouldn't RIP out of the tent to

1157
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:05,080
run out into the darkness and
maybe run into the bear.

1158
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:09,280
Yeah, yeah, right, right into
the bear.

1159
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:14,120
Yeah, right into the bear, just
space first, right way up in

1160
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:20,960
there, like a reversal of of Ace
Ventura coming out of the rhino.

1161
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:23,840
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense
to me either why they would cut

1162
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,560
their cut the way out.
I mean, even if they were

1163
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,279
freaking out about all this
going on, like Jake said, why

1164
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:31,160
wouldn't you just peek out the
zipper first?

1165
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:34,279
Because that that tent is their
their lifeline.

1166
01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:38,200
Like I think.
Tent it has to do the the big

1167
01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:41,520
The big, big piece of evidence
here is the infrasound.

1168
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:46,200
And you have to.
You have to rely on you have to

1169
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,640
rely on what the scientists say
that I.

1170
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:53,000
Understand I'm thinking though,
I'm thinking when, you know, the

1171
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,359
only thing I can think of that
makes me think about is like

1172
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:58,279
Havana syndrome or some kind of
like variation of that, right?

1173
01:08:58,279 --> 01:09:01,840
Like it's, it's like affecting
their like their mental

1174
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:06,399
faculties, not just, you know,
their hearing and shit right.

1175
01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:10,760
Like I understand it's affecting
their their minds on some level,

1176
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:17,439
but like even still, man, like
you got, I mean, first of all,

1177
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,840
it has to be too many instances
because again, like I said

1178
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,319
earlier, like not only does that
whole thing have to go down,

1179
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:24,640
they get scared of shit and then
they they cut their way out of

1180
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:29,720
the tent, But then like all of
them die outside of that event.

1181
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,319
Like that event happens.
They all get out of it.

1182
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:37,640
Like they don't die right there.
They all die out like from other

1183
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:39,600
shit.
It's just something else went

1184
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,800
went down to me.
It's more likely that maybe

1185
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,960
somebody in the group snapped,
right.

1186
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,920
You know, that's what happened.
There was a brawl, or maybe they

1187
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:52,520
snapped and cut the tent, and
that was like the moment of

1188
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,000
snapping, right?
And once they cut that tent

1189
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,520
open, it was like, what the
fuck?

1190
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,680
And then people were trying to
kill this guy.

1191
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:02,680
Other people were trying to stop
people from killing this guy.

1192
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:08,840
Group split up, you know you got
injuries and then boom.

1193
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:13,600
So we should totally cover
Havana Syndrome.

1194
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,160
That shit's cool.
I mean, well, it, it wouldn't be

1195
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:22,040
cool, but it's, it's, it's neat,
it's interesting and.

1196
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:24,120
They say that they.
Say that right, they say, go.

1197
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:26,120
Ahead, I mean a good job, but
yeah, it's just it's Russian.

1198
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:27,440
They were doing that shit over
there so.

1199
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,040
Yeah, I, I was just going to say
Havana Syndrome has long been

1200
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:36,760
thought to be caused by
infrasound as one of the main

1201
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:41,400
contributing factors to why
some, you know, people who who

1202
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:50,480
report coming, you know,
understand the Havana syndrome

1203
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:53,400
is something that's been, if I
remember correctly, is something

1204
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:59,400
that is described by military
doctors and it's not necessarily

1205
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:04,480
a, an accepted medical issue.
I could.

1206
01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:07,600
More like an espionage like
weapon type of thing.

1207
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:10,280
Right?
But Kid Kid has the right idea

1208
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:11,760
and I looked.
I was actually Googling this

1209
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:15,880
earlier in the episode, energy
weapons of some sort, right?

1210
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,040
Because they've been being
blasted with some kind of energy

1211
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,920
weapon and that definitely, I
mean, they were definitely

1212
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:24,120
developing them at that time
because I've found articles

1213
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:29,520
going back into the 80s of, of
them having or talking about

1214
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,640
energy weapons in the.
Ones where it it feels like your

1215
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,400
skin's on fire and stuff like
that.

1216
01:11:34,440 --> 01:11:36,120
You gotta be away.
Yeah.

1217
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:40,560
Particle beams, microwaves,
lasers, all types of directed

1218
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,960
energy weapons, right?
And you know, especially out

1219
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:47,080
there in the middle of nowhere
and you know, I keep saying in

1220
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,080
Russia and Russia, I mean, we,
we were doing it here too,

1221
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:49,760
right?
But.

1222
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:53,600
Maybe they just flew in on a
helicopter and pointed this

1223
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,720
thing directly at the tent and
they're like, let's see what

1224
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:57,040
happens.
They just let them up.

1225
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,000
Well, could have been that.
I don't even think so.

1226
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:01,920
I think it could have just been
wrong place, wrong time.

1227
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:05,120
I mean some of these programs
and experiments they affect like

1228
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,680
wide areas, right?
They could have been blasting

1229
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:10,920
the ionosphere with something
like some some HARP technology

1230
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,000
and which?
Is what tell the bright light.

1231
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:14,880
Right.
And it bounces off the

1232
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:18,000
ionosphere, like, you know, it
just, it goes up to the

1233
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,600
ionosphere and then it bounces
off of it and comes back.

1234
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:23,520
And maybe they just happened by
chance to be camped out like

1235
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,560
right in the vicinity of that.
And that's what I were seeing

1236
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,840
and hearing and feeling all this
intense.

1237
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,760
Especially if it was snowing,
because snow is so reflective

1238
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:33,600
you can get a sunburn from the
snow.

1239
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,640
They could have been getting
cooked by just some other

1240
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:41,160
experiment happening 4000 miles
away in Siberia somewhere and

1241
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:43,160
they were just getting cooked,
you know.

1242
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,280
Kenzer, I will let you test
that, but you have to report

1243
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:47,560
your findings.
And that would explain the

1244
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:51,160
radiation.
I could explain the infrasound.

1245
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:53,800
You know, it could explain
pretty much all of it except for

1246
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:55,160
like, the blunt force trauma
ship.

1247
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:58,840
But again, you know, we, yeah,
we could factor in maybe they

1248
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,680
just tripped off the ledge and
homie fell off the tree and you

1249
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,960
know, so on and so forth.
I want to add another layer to

1250
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,160
this.
So they're being cooked.

1251
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:08,320
Yeah.
Kenzer, you said it seems like

1252
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,920
it'd be a perfect scenario to
test such a thing to me.

1253
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,120
I don't know.
That sounds like you want to go

1254
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:16,160
and you want us to test it, but
I'm not going to go die out in

1255
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:17,640
the woods, so I'll let you test
it.

1256
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:21,720
I want to add another letter to
this.

1257
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:27,440
So OK, so they've been cooked
from an energy weapon and being

1258
01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:30,720
directed somewhere else, but
it's bouncing off the ionosphere

1259
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,880
or off the cloud layer coming
back down onto their tent.

1260
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:35,840
So they feel like they're being
cooked.

1261
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:41,880
Also, someone inside the tent
rips a massive fart right near

1262
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,000
the entrance.
So they have two factors causing

1263
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,320
them.
They need to RIP their way out

1264
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,640
of the tent and then they're
running out to kill this guy

1265
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:52,600
because he just blew his butt
hole open inside this tent.

1266
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:54,440
Yep.
And they're and then they all

1267
01:13:54,440 --> 01:13:56,280
split up and then they all die
separately.

1268
01:13:56,480 --> 01:14:00,320
Yep.
So not only not only is there

1269
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:06,200
something very loud and all
infrasonic going on outside, but

1270
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:07,680
you.
Also inside.

1271
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:11,080
But you also see, but you also
see these lights in the sky.

1272
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,760
So there's two of your senses
that are fucked up and someone

1273
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:15,880
rips their butt hole open.
Now you.

1274
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,840
Have your third sense that's
fucked up and you can taste it.

1275
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:24,440
Four of your 5, four of your 5
senses are completely fucked and

1276
01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:26,240
now you're.
And now your stomach is hurting,

1277
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:27,920
so now you're feeling terrible
too.

1278
01:14:28,440 --> 01:14:30,200
Yeah, and you're?
On attack.

1279
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:32,960
Yeah, and you're about to eat
and you know the food, food is

1280
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:34,360
ruined because it's covered in
butt.

1281
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:36,440
Yep.
And they're like, this guy's

1282
01:14:36,440 --> 01:14:38,880
going to die.
Yep, that that's probably how I.

1283
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:40,160
Happen.
They're like, we need to get

1284
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:41,840
this.
Motherfucker out now he's.

1285
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,520
Dead.
Maybe they were trying to kill

1286
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:45,480
him and.
He cut.

1287
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:47,960
His way out of the tent.
Oh.

1288
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:50,360
Oh, maybe.
Maybe.

1289
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:52,760
We got caught banging one of
their moms.

1290
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:54,720
Oh, maybe.
Could have been.

1291
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:58,640
Yeah, maybe he's sneaking,
seeking snips off his little

1292
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,720
little sips off his flask and
said something real bad.

1293
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:03,760
Maybe they caught him spanking
it in the corner.

1294
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:05,600
Yeah.
And they were like, that's why

1295
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,760
she bit her tongue off, because
she could taste his butt.

1296
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:15,200
Hole.
All right, guys, guys good.

1297
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:17,200
Great.
That's nuts.

1298
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,600
Yeah, that's that's a pretty
wild circumstance.

1299
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:21,280
Jeez.
I always thought I was Bigfoot.

1300
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:23,440
Yeah, but I never looked into
it.

1301
01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:25,960
Right.
A lot of people blame it on

1302
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:27,440
Bigfoot.
A lot of people do.

1303
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:32,400
All right, well, I would like to
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1304
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:36,200
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1305
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1307
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:51,000
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1308
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1309
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