197. A Very IRH Xmas & Human Consciousness

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2:51 I walked out in there and they had like 30 deer laying on the floor in the cooler and stuff. They're like, yeah, expect like March of a time frame. And I was like all right, cool. Well, that works out anyway. Jeez man, that's. Yeah. So I took one of the quote UN quote doughs that I shot end up being a button buck. So I filled my buck tag. So that was cool, but I didn't freeze his back straps. I ended up taking them and I cut them up to mid medallions and I made it for dinner tonight with some sweet mashed sweet potatoes and some was it caramelized onions and and stuff like that. It was, it was phenomenal.

3:33 So we have our meal prep for the meal prep for the week. So yeah, I'm doing great. Dude, I'm tired. I'm tired beyond belief. I've been up in the weather report said 7°, but with the wind chill felt like -7 for this entire time I've been off work sitting out and on the tree stand getting deer and stuff like that and processing them. So I'm, I'm all wiped out and stuff, but I'm stoked. It's been a really cool last five days or so. Sweet dude. Oh yeah man, lots of dead ders. Lots of dead Ders. You got some of it. You got some of the back straps. I did and I appreciate. It of eggs for Thanksgiving. Well, yeah, Thanksgiving claws came by and and gave me back straps and Turkey and claws.

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11:12 But without further ado, you guys ready to jump into a very IRH Christmas. Very much so. Jeffrey Yeah, man. Jeffrey, you look like your head hurts, man. No, no. I'm echoing over there, Sir. It was echoing. Or are you still echoing? No, not anymore. All right then. Let's do this, traditions. Hold on, hold on. I got to increase the font size because I'm old and I can't read it. Paganism refers to nature based polytheistic beliefs widely practiced in ancient times. The term Pagan originates from the Latin word paganist, meaning country dweller. Central to Pagan beliefs is the idea that nature is sacred and imbued with the divine spirit. The modern celebration of Christmas, often associates or often associated with the birth of Jesus Christ, draws heavily from ancient Pagan traditions.

12:02 These include the Roman festival of Saturnalia, honoring Saturn, the God of agriculture, and the Germanic Yule, a celebration of the winter solstice. All festivals symbolized renewal and the promise of spring, marked by feasting, gift giving, and communal joy. By the 4th century, as Rome increasingly embraced Christianity, Saturnalia was repurposed into the Christian celebration of Jesus birth. Saturnalia, originally held from December 17th, became integral to the new holiday now celebrated solely on December 25th. Saturnalia was filled with diverse activities including religious ceremonies, public feasts, gift exchanges, games, dancing, decorations, and even the temporary liberation of enslaved people.

12:49 Unique customs like dunking face in faces in icy water, added a playful element. A key ritual involved sacrificing a pig at the Temple of Saturn on the festival's first day. This pig was then shared in a communal feast, and pigs, whether live or as pork or sausages, were commonly exchanged as gifts. Like Saturnalia, Yule was originally tied to the winter solstice, a period when the Sun's path is at its southernmost point in the Northern hemisphere. Traditionally celebrated in January, Yule was later shifted to align with Christmas, a change attributed to the growing influence of Christianity during his reign. Between 934 and 961, King Hakon the First of Norway decreed that Yule should coincide with Christmas.

13:40 Yule featured both familiar and distinctive customs. While feasting and gift giving are shared with modern Christmas, Yule also involved ritual sacrifices of cows, golden goats, and pigs. The blood from these sacrifices was sprinkled on walls, floors, decorations, and even the participants civilizing life itself. Yule logs, decorated ribbons, holly, and mistletoe were burned to ward off the darkness and symbolize the return of light. Other traditions including baking, decorating, meditating, vigils, and height stringing, a practice where individuals place their hands on a pig and made solemn oaths Amid Yule festivities loomed the myth of the Wild Hunt, a spectral hunting party led by the Norse God of Odin.

14:30 Accompanied by ghostly riders on skeletal steeds, Odin's hunt was said to capture mortals who failed to hide properly. Today, this legend is often viewed as an early boogie man tale, used to keep children indoors during the cold, dangerous nights of winter. The concept of the boogeyman has been a universal element of human culture, appearing in countless forms across generations. At its core, it reflects humanity's enduring tradition of storytelling, blending cautionary tales with imagine imaginative narratives to instill moral lessons and ensure safety. Through these rich and interconnected traditions, the modern holiday of Christmas has evolved, carrying with it echoes of ancient Pagan celebrations that honored the rhythms of nature and the promise of renewal. All right, Part 1 done.

15:25 Done. So, Jeff, I know you have things to say about Saturnalia. Oh, I got a lot I can say about Saturnalia. Are you going to get more into that or? Oh OK, well I can talk for 4 1/2 hours about Saturnalia. But yeah, I was just going. To say, all right, Oh no, please don't do that. Well, you know, it's just like the animal sacrifice thing that usually and in this particular case comes from actual human sacrifice. And then, you know, they would trade, they transition more into animal sacrifice because obviously you can't just be slaying your people all the time. Doesn't look good, but. Also, you run out of people. Yeah, and it and it's interesting, like the concept of, you know, doing these rituals and and burning. What was it that they were burning to? It was mistletoe in Holly.

16:15 Holly. Right in the Yule logs. Castaway the dark and bring back the light. I talk about that a lot in my show, that they're the Saturn. You know, there's like the Saturn death cult that I think is a big chunk of what people call the Illuminati, right? The people who run the world. They're not necessarily worshipping like in like Saturnalia. It's not the same. It's more of a cult offshoot of that. It's like this Saturn death cult. And their whole idea is that they're doing these rituals and these cullings of the population on Earth to bring back like a golden age back, you know, eons ago. But it's interesting.

17:00 Interesting, very interesting, Jeff or Jacob. How about all this paganism do? I mean, I have no qualms with this. I know that Catholicism, when it was embraced in Rome, I believe the story was it was Constantine was the Roman emperor at the time, and he was losing all of his generals to Christianity because when they were persecuting the early church, they would take Christians and they'd feed him the lions and they would throw him off at cliffs and all sorts of stuff. And they couldn't get these guys to say that they didn't believe in Christ because at the time you were to declare Caesar of Rome as your God, right?

17:45 And so if you didn't declare him as your God, then you were executed because, you know that they couldn't have that. So he was losing all of his top generals and folks in his military to Christianity because no matter how many of these Christians they threw off a cliffs one after another, they refused to renounce their faith in Christ. And so their generals started just being like, wow, I mean, I don't know if I do that for my faith in, you know, the emperor. So they started turning over to Christianity. And because he was losing touch with all of his top brass, he decided that Christianity was going to become the religion of Rome. And that's when you get a lot of, you know, I, I, there's clearly a difference between Christianity and Catholicism. I don't, I know that's kind of a touchy subject. I think one of the most obvious differences is that we don't, you know, confess to priests and we don't for Protestants, we don't confess to priests and we don't, you know, pray to the Virgin Mary to intercede for us.

18:45 But another thing is that the 10 commandments catechism, they remove the second of the 10 commandments, which is that you shall have no graven images or idols. And they remove the second one and they split the 10th, which says not to covet your neighbor's wife and not to covet your neighbor's items. So they make those. So there's still 10 commandments, but they split the 10th 1 into two parts and remove the second one. Because if you go into any Catholic Church, there's, you know, idols everywhere. It's not just like a, like a Protestant church where there's a cross on the wall, statues of Mary, there's statues of Jesus, There's all sorts of things. I've, I've been at a Catholic mass with my grandparents and they were literally lining up to kiss the feet of the statue of Jesus. You know, I mean, I know it's all symbolism, but still. So there, there's differences and stuff. And I think that a lot of that, oh, Jesus, I fell off. I think a lot of that might come from the early Roman influence of, you know, their acceptance of Christianity, where they didn't entirely remove all of their their Pagan beliefs. Instead, they incorporate incorporated it into their Christian beliefs, which is different from say, like way back in the day a pastor, a Christian missionary ran into Hawaii.

20:04 Where they are worshipping trees and things like that. And he. So they chopped down the trees and threw and set them on fire or like threw them a new volcano and they're like, OK, now what? Where's your God? And they're like, OK, well, you're right. You know, there's no power here. Instead, they incorporated it deeply into that. And that's why you get a lot of the Christmas celebrations these days that, you know, seem to have a lot of Pagan roots. And obviously Jesus Christ, you know, there's plenty of historians and archaeologists that aren't Christians, that aren't religious, that are atheists, in fact. But they say that Jesus existed. He was a person, he had a following. He was executed by the Romans at the plea of the Jewish Sanhedrin because he claimed to be God. And they said that that was blasphemous. And the Romans were occupying the area at the time. They carried out all the capital punishments. So, but at the time of Christ's birth, these, these, you know, Pagan civilizations didn't exist, You know, England, Scotland, the Norse, they all came way afterwards and they became that through hunter gatherers civilizations, right? But I think that the paganism element of believing that basically like the, and this is, you know, goes like pantheism goes into what the Native Americans in large believed where everything is God or the, the spirit of the God is in the rocks and the trees and all this sort of stuff. And we all all have this sort of like, you know, element around us, right?

21:33 Where we're, we're all God or we're all divine or something like that, right? Or they, they worship the nature. I think that in the history of humanity, people know that there is a being that's higher than them, and they've been seeking that out. So it doesn't surprise me that civilizations that are so distant from each other in either time or place wouldn't come to the same conclusion that something is bigger and more powerful than they are. Thus it should be honored and respected. And we see that played out in many different ways through the different cultures and things like that. So, yeah, I have no qualms with any of this sort of stuff. I mean it.

22:16 It all makes sense to me. Right on. Good stuff. Why are you booing me in the chat bro? Because you're. Lame. Why not everyone? Knows you're lame, Jeff. What? What didn't you do, Jeff? What didn't you do? Answer that. Never mind, put your booze away. He has a cat. Good stuff. Are you guys ready to move on to the second section? Yes, Sir. Yeah. Alrighty, let's learn about some folklores and some creatures. Yule folklore and mythical creatures As we've discussed, Yule is rich with legends and traditions, many of which carry a darker edge. Among these tales is the story of the Yule cat, Olek Yulek Uterine, a gigantic black feline that stalked the snowy forest of Iceland's mountains.

23:04 This fearsome creature was said to prey on those who failed to receive new clothes of sufficient quality during the season of Giving, a sign they had not worked hard enough during the fall harvest. Watching through windows on the night of the giving, the Yule cat would seize and devour its unfortunate victims. Over time, this terrifying legend evolved into a symbol of vigilance, promoting the safety and well-being of children. In Scandinavia, Yule brought the figure of the Yule goat, Yolk Bulkton, often presented by straw sculptures displayed in towns and cities. The Yule goat, also known also called the Yule buck, symbolize joy and gift giving during the holiday season.

23:49 While its origins remain unclear, some believe it is tied to the Norse God Odin, whose chariot was pulled by two goats, Tanger Sneer and Tanger Josture. In Icelandic lore, Greyla, a mountain dwelling troll, descended during the solstice to devour misbehaving children. Her 13 mischievous sons, the Yule Lads, added another layer to these legends. These pranksters would visit homes over the 13 days leading to Yule, leaving gifts and shoes left on window sills for well behaved children or a rotten potato for those who misbehaved. Each Yule Lad had a signature prank. Sheep coat clawed 8 yewberries from sheep sheds.

24:32 Goalie Buck stole cow milk Stubby took from food pans. Spoon Liquor and Pot scraper did exactly as their name suggests. Bowl liquor stole bowls from under beds, door slammer bang doors at night. Skier Goggler devoured yogurt, sausage swiper, window peeper, meat hook and candle Beggar rounded out this mischievous crew. Other sinister creatures of Pagan lore include Buggies and boggles, shadowy fairy like beings. Bogies targeted naughty children, sometimes dragging them to the devil himself, while Boggles preyed on criminal adults. Both were described as humanoid shadows and are thought to have inspired modern tales of poltergeist, shadow people and black phantom dogs.

25:25 A chilling Yule myth is the Wild Hunt, a ghostly possession led by Odin atop his skeletal steed. Accompanied by special warriors like the in Rahar and the Valkyries, Odin haunted mortals who failed to find refuge. This legend may have been inspired by celestial phenomenon such as mysterious lights in the sky, which could have been interpreted as Odin's war band. Another figure tied to the Wild Hunt is Frau Perkta, a Witch life Creature, a witch like character who led Spirits of the Dead. Unlike modern witch tropes, Perta targeted young women who failed her standards of sewing and household cleanliness, punishing them during their ominous March. Yule's folklore is a fascinating tapestry of joy, caution, and terror, blending ancient Pagan beliefs with seasonal celebrations.

26:17 Whether through the Yule Cat, the pranks of the Yule Lads, or the ominous specter of the Wild Hunt, these stories continue to captivate and remind us of the depth of human imagination during the darkest times of the year. For a deeper dive into these legends, check out episode 67 of our show, where we explore the story of Krampus, the dark counterpart to Santa Claus. From its connection to the Yule Goat to its fearsome appearance, the Krampus embodies the balance of light and dark central to Yule mythology. Special thanks to Jake for his incredible sound effects and atmosphere. Music done during the intro to that episode. You're welcome. So you mean to tell me that bold liquor is stealing chamber pots?

26:58 Yep. There's no no. No, no, no, no, no. Under a bed, except a chamber pot. No shit, Google this. I had to do it too because I actually thought that they were talking about piss pots too. So apparently it was so cold then that they wouldn't get up out of their bed to put their food away because they would eat in their beds so that they would put the the bowl with its scraps stuck to the side under their bed until morning until they can take care of them then. Yeah, he's still in chamber pots. You can say whatever you want. Well, meat hooker. Yeah, right, Meat hook hooking all the meats. Did you ever see? Gosh, what was it? Do you watch Marvel movies? There was 2 goats in the last one. Did you just ask him if he see never mind? Well, I don't know.

27:44 He likes what kind? Of stupid question is that. But I mean, Jeff, you know, the the two goats that was in, was it Thor Ragnarok? Maybe no. I've never seen. I don't watch Marvel movies either. Wow, never mind then, you guys are worthless. Yeah, say it for say it for the community. Tell the tell the people. I'm going to go get a beer. You talk about Marvel. The two goats, the gosh you, you pronounce them so well, Tan Gristner, Tan Gristner and Tan Joster. I want to say those were the goats that was that were represented in, I think it was Thor Ragnarok, maybe a different one, the screaming goats that they got Thor and whatever.

28:29 This says it's Thor love and Thunder. Thor Love and Thunder. That's it. Yeah, that's funny. The Scream. Even though that existed. You know, the thing that I have an issue with is when, and I understand what happened here is like paganism. Right. Could beer? Paganism is not a thing. It's so many things from different tribes, different, you know, all these. So, you know, you can't honestly distill it down to like, here's some things that pagans believed, right? Because it's not necessarily the case, unfortunately. Like all of that history has just been wiped away or or a good chunk of it has been just wiped away. Well, I don't know if it's been wiped away versus it wasn't just written down.

29:15 It got, it got pissed down through oral traditions and just upbringing. And then eventually with a lot of these places like Norway and, and you know, the like, like where the Vikings and stuff came from, it got taken over by Christian or Catholicism, right? And so it kind of got left in the dust. But none of this stuff was like written down. So people are kind of doing a lot of guesswork basically like the Vikings show you, you'd assume by the Vikings show or Leif Erickson that show Vikings Valhalla on on Netflix that Vikings wore braided hair. But from the three examples that we have from images and an actual Viking, you know, person that we've just that has been discovered through archaeology, that's not the case.

30:06 There's actually no historical evidence that they actually, you know, shaved, you know, kept the top long, shaved the sides and braided it into a French braid. That's just not a thing, right? But it's only popular by the show from Netflix Pop. Culture and. So it's just like, you know, so it's like, I think a lot of the stuff is guesswork because none of it got actually written down because it was all just, this is the way we live, you know? Part of it is that none of it got written. A lot of it didn't get written down. But you, we have to agree. You must agree with me here that there was a clear effort in his back in history at some point for a lot of these tribes and these like what you would consider like Pagan beliefs, right to be like literally eradicated and to be either if not assimilated with the new you know the the way right the Christian way the. New belief, yeah.

30:57 Right, if not to be assimilated and tweaked in somewhat way, in some ways, some of those cultures are just completely gone, right. And some of those and a lot of those stories must be of the people, you know, the the soldiers, the men who went to these far off places, right? And they just encountered these unknown tribes that had these unknown beliefs, right? And after whatever happened, they came back and said, hey, man, these people believe that there's elves that that scare your children, man. And people are like, what are you talking about? And they're like, yeah, well, that's what they believed. And then, you know, sure enough, those people aren't there anymore, right? So it's like. I think the problem is, is that the way that humanity as a whole conquered and eradicated other civilizations or pulled them into their own. So you can see that the Romans you can see that with the until the Hun you can see that with.

31:53 Oh yeah, like everybody. Everybody. Everybody, everybody did it. But it wasn't until you got to this generation of technological advancements where we actually care about history. And that's what the problem is. No one cared about history. No one cared about the cultural history of like, let's, you know, explore or let's preserve these people's way of life, their temples, their relics, their whatever. Nobody gave a no. One, no one cared about that stuff until you got into the modern age. So that's what the problem is. People were just conquering left and right, assimilating into their religions left and right, whatever it may have been, you know, taking slaves, taking servants, you know, then being conquered by other nations, right, things like that, that.

32:43 But no one really took the time to be like, well, wait a second, maybe we should study this. I want to wonder where these people came from. They were just so envisioned with conquest, it didn't matter. And so that's really where you get. So yeah, I mean, I agree with you. I don't think it was intentional for the idea of stamping it out, but more so of just like we need to get rid of everything that they believe in and everything that makes them them so they can become US. Yeah, and that's. Always as a not so much as a wiping the slate clean. And let's have humanity know information on these people. It probably wasn't that logic, but you're right. Yeah. Yeah, no. And I don't, and I'm not saying it that it was done like necessarily in that type of nefarious way, sure, another type of nefarious way, right?

33:32 But like, and I'm also not saying it in like the way that, you know, world culture might represent these types of arguments. I'm just stating like a fact, like, hey, it's unfortunate that we don't know what a lot of these beliefs were, right. So like when Jeremy's lifting listing off and I know Jeremy, you know, he's he obviously went through a lot to get all of these different, you know, things and all that. But it's just like at the same time, you know, each not, I'm not even say each one of those, but there's a lot of those that are just like whole different religions and cultures. You know what I'm saying? It's not just like what what people run around. They're just like, oh, that's some paganism, right? Because it's it, it is just such a broad brush and a broad word as Skeeter was saying in the chat.

34:13 It's just like it, it irks me. It rubs me the wrong way. Well. Paganism. The idea of paganism could encompass jeez. It could encompass the, you know, the pics before they became the English. It could encompass. Well hold on, because there there is a of. There is a definition. Ireland. Yeah, I was. Going to say what's the actual definition? Of the definition The definition of the word paganism or Pagan the the practice. It's an umbrella term used to describe religious beliefs or faithful beliefs that believe in a polytheistic system based on nature. So basically everything up until monotheism, right? And that's the whole point that I'm trying to make here. I'm not pointing the finger necessarily, and I know you're not thinking that I am or just for anybody else. No, I do.

35:00 Really I do. I'm not. Pointing the finger at Christianity like you did this. I'm just saying like because of monotheism. Thank you for using the the terms here, because that helps. Because of monotheism. Take your pick of the big three. It just kind of that wiped away. It's like 8090%. I don't know how much information just got completely lost to history because it's just. Less the cultures were able to survive an extended period of time. So say like Hinduism, Hindus or Hindi has been around for a really long time. I think Hindi is actually the language, but Hinduism has been around for a really long time. And I think they have something like like 80 million gods and goddesses.

35:45 But we have that information because that culture has been around for so long in India, right? It wasn't conquered by another civilization. Like I know that before Mohammed came the Middle Easterners. I mean, I'm not gonna, I don't, I don't know off top of my head the exact region, but I know that they believed in like the moon God and stuff like that. And then he told them about Allah, right? And and he turned them into a monotheistic well, the whole area into a monotheistic religion versus I don't know if it was just the moon God or if it was other gods as well, but cultures that have existed for an awfully long time, their history is preserved.

36:29 The small cultures like hunter gatherer tribes, early Norwegian tribes. You know, what is it? It's it's Norway. What Dutch cultures. It wasn't, it wasn't just Norway. That was the Vikings, right? But they all Scandinavia. Scandinavia but what? Scandinavia is a is a northern region. Right. You know, I mean, I think it covers everything from Norway to Switzerland. I mean, shoot, I think it shoots over to like, Greenland, Iceland, Yeah. You know all all. But they they seem to have very similar beliefs in well, if we're talking about Yule, that was their belief, right? Yep. You couldn't, you couldn't attribute Yule folklore and mythological creatures related to Yule to the Native Americans.

37:15 That's not what they believed, right? They, they had pantheism or monotheism, but it was in relation to nature and they had it in relation to like animals and things like that was completely separate from what these people believe. So although paganism, I agree, is such a huge broad brush stroke upon all of the cultures that kind of believe the same sort of a thing. I agree with you, Jeff, that well, in this circumstance we are focused on Yule, but it should be, you know, I don't know if that umbrella term then has subsections of different, you know, cultures and things like that. So, OK, so there is a difference between paganism and the Native American tribes. So the Native American tribes, they practiced animism, I believe it's called.

38:05 Animism is the belief in, it's not animals, it's that everything has a soul, or an essence if you will. Right. So where pagans specifically believed in nature and natural beings, natives believed in animism, which was everything. Everything. The storm had a soul. The the boulders, the trees, the wind, everything had a soul, everything had an essence. I hope that clears that up. It's interesting to me, I don't know let you know I'm on the belief that that might be the case, you know, and there are some scientific studies that are happening currently that are starting to kind of show that in ways. So it's interesting to me that that that type of thinking was lost is the best way I can put it right? It was just lost for so long.

38:57 I mean, now we're coming back to it with advanced technologies and it, you know, that's one of the things that I always wonder about with advanced ancient civilizations. You know, I don't necessarily think they were flying around in spaceships. I just think that they were advanced in other ways that we're not necessarily considering, right. Maybe they were using vibrations and sound technologies as like one of their primary energy sources somehow. I don't know, but yeah, it's just super interesting. You guys ready to finish this up? I think that the reason why this has died out so much is if you give everything in nature, that sort of everything in nature includes us.

39:42 So if you give everything in nature that's sort of like divine spark and say that everything is divine, right, sort of stuff. And then you see things like, you know, people murdering each other or serial killers or people stealing and things like that. It kind of takes away from that. And so I like S on the chat, Skeeter said Christianity is saying that everything is demons and evil, so get rid of it. I mean, I you could, but something has to be true. There is a truth out there. It's not everything is true because everything contradicts each other. So there has to be a truth. So if Christianity is true, then that's the way it is.

40:22 Islam is true and that's the way it is. Judaism is true, that's the way it is. Hindu, Hinduism is true, that's the way it is. And if pantheism or Yule beliefs, right, the Thor, Odin, you know, all that stuff, the Valkyries is true, then that's the way it is. Someone has to, everyone else is wrong except for that thing that is true, right? And I think that there's a lot to be said about Christianity staying around for so long despite the persecution that Christians have had throughout the years. And it's probably a lot to do with the fact that people were proven wrong that, you know, everyone has divine spark until someone walks into a source or shooting people.

41:03 Well, not that guy. Well, why not, you know. Free will. You know, well, a lot of people don't believe in free will. I've met several people that don't. Well, I'm just saying if you're going to stick to that, if you're going to say that that's the case that you know. But saying that that person's God is all good. I don't that. Person goes through killing people, that's too. You know, that's too new age for me. You know, I don't think that whole like, you know, we're all God. You know, everything is I don't that's to me, that's a new. Age absolutely too. Too new talking about the. Collective consciousness kind of thing. What I'm thinking is just more like everything. If I mean look, even if you look at it from a perspective, a monotheistic perspective, right? Like from my perspective is that if God created everything in the universe, then everything must have at least the slightest little touch of that essence in it somehow, right?

41:53 It's been created by the creator. So it has to have something. And that something might be whatever the word is that we don't have a word for that ether ish type thing that it does. Why can't the creator just have a creation and the creation be the creation and the creator the creator? Like if I made something out of clay, that doesn't mean that my essence is inside of that thing. It's just a thing that I made. Sure. I'm not saying that it has to be as important or as cherished or valued as. Well, I think what you're saying is the soul. The soul I'm not. Well, I'm trying not to say the soul is the. Point where you're saying. No, I'm, I'm saying that I don't think every molecule has a soul, but I think that every molecule is somehow tied to like a greater consciousness.

42:42 From the smallest to the biggest. Yeah, you're probably right, but that doesn't mean that they're divine. I'm not saying I don't make that, but that they. Or that, rather rather, that they deserve to be worshipped. I don't make that argument either. So that's the thing that's that's the different. People do. People do, yeah. We've got a little question slash exercise to do at the end of this episode. I think you guys think it was fun. OK. And then it's just for some reason came up during that little back-to-back you guys had. Bet you guys are ready to hear about the big man. Oh yeah, man, the fat man. The big fat man Santa. Santa Claus, the beloved figure of modern Christmas, draws his origins from Saint Nicholas, also known as Center Claus in Dutch tradition.

43:31 Born in 3rd century Greece, Nicholas inherited great wealth, excuse me, after the tragic loss of his parents. Deeply inspired by his Christian faith, he devoted his life to helping those in need. Living as a reflection of Jesus Christ's teachings, Nicholas became the Bishop of Mira, earning renowned for his generosity, love for children, and care for sailors. Stories of his kindness became legendary, including one where he anonymously helped the poor man pay the dowries required to marry off his three daughters. The man, desperate to secure better lives for his daughters, had resorted to dire measures to gather the necessary funds.

44:15 Hearing of his plight, Nicholas secretly tossed sacks of gold coins through the man's window on three consecutive nights. On the final night, the man stayed awake to catch the mysterious benefactor. When he discovered Nicholas, he fell at his feet in gratitude, praising him as a savior. St. Nicholas's legacy inspired the celebration of Saint Nicholas Day, observed on December 6th. Gift giving became central to this feast, and traditions like leaving shoes or stockings for Nicholas to fill with gifts and sweets emerged. Over time, the practice evolved into the modern notion of rewarding good children with presents and punishing naughty ones with less pleasant surprises, such as cold. During the late Victorian era, the British figure of Father Christmas became entwined with the image of Saint Nicholas. Dressed in red robes, Father Christmas symbolizes cheer, family, togetherness, and nostalgia for the good old days. His popularity surged in the 17th century as a defiant emblem against the Puritan government's attempts to suppress Christmas celebrations.

45:20 Long before Saint Nicholas or Father Christmas, the Norse God Odin played a role in shaping the mythology of Santa Claus. Odin, often depicted with a white beard and a cloak, led the spectral Wild Hunt during Yule, riding his eight legged horse to sleep near Norse traditions including included hiding from Odin during the hunt to avoid his gaze. The concept echoed in Santa's role of Don't catch him in the Act or no guests for you as you'll was moved to coincide with the Christian celebration of Jesus birth on December 25th, the traditions of Saint Nicholas, Father Christmas and Odin merged. Nicholas contributed the spirit of gift giving and love for children, Father Christmas brought the red robe and joyful family image, and Odin had the mysterious rules of Christmas Eve.

46:12 The modern image of Santa Claus owes much to artist Hodon Sundblum, who was commissioned by the Coca-Cola Company in the next Sun. Bloom's portrayal of Santa as a jolly, plump man with rosy cheeks, a fluffy beard and the iconic red suit became the definitive look for Santa. Before this, Santa was often described as a small elf like figure, a far cry from the grandfatherly image we know today. Today's Santa Claus is a culmination of centuries of legends and traditions, from the charitable deeds of Saint Nicholas to the nostalgic cheer of Father Christmas and the mystical undertones of Odin's Wild Hunt. Thanks to artistic imagination and cultural evolution, Santa now stands as a universal symbol of joy, generosity, and the magic of Christmas.

47:06 All done. Skeeter, I saw that in the chat, he said. You can find a part of Saint Nick's hip bone in Chicago held by the Shrine of All Saints in Saint Martha of Bethany Church, Morton Grove, IL, USA. Really. I find that interesting because that's something that the Catholic churches have that the Protestant churches don't. We don't excavate the bones of, they say the Saints, but according to the Bible, everyone who believes in Christ is considered a St. We don't excavate the bones of people and put them on display or put them in places where people can go and view them and stuff like that. I found that to be really interesting and I've seen that before.

47:48 I'm just like weird. Just honestly, just throw me in a garbage heap. I'll be good. Throw me in a garbage barge. I'll be I'll be fine. It's really interesting. Or you see the catacombs in, in Rome where they're filled with the bones of Saints and things like that. Like that's just wild to me. That was wild. You're the second person today that talked to me about the catacombs in the Vatican, with Vatican with all the bodies in it. Sounds like you got to look it up. You got to do this episode on it. Yeah, I definitely should. You know, I'm aware of this. I've never seen it in person obviously, but. It's. Interesting. It's interesting to me that it's such a random thing that two totally separate people would bring this up to me on the same day. Well, Skeeter brought it up.

48:35 Maybe something's going to go down, maybe incidences. His bones are in three different places. His bones got stolen from his original burial place, Skeeter says. It's, it's just weird. It's like. That's another that's another thing I always wonder about too. Right with some of these artifacts is like, how do we know? How do we know it's not just Frank? You don't know someone knows whether somebody don't know. Well, the people who really know are probably long dead by now, right? So nobody really knows that's the problem, right? Because even if you dig up like some, you know, because a lot of these artifacts get dug up in just random places, right? They're not necessarily in like tombs and stuff. It's just like, you know, you dig under a house somewhere and it's just like there's your, there's something there, right? But you know, it's just that you don't know what grave robbers or culture came after that found this cool thing and was like, you let me throw my bodies in there, right? Like, yeah, that's you don't really know that. That's another problem I have with a lot of what we consider history.

49:37 And, you know, people, a lot of people think that there's like mummies in the pyramids, right? Like that's just a common thought. I feel like people think there's yeah, that they found mummies. They found, you know, whatever the pharaoh was at the time. They found him in the in the pyramid. No, bro, No, bro, there was none. Never. You really seems like you think so. I think so. No, I don't think there was any bodies ever recovered out of the pyramid that were like mummified Pharaohs. No, I'm sure there might have been like skeletal remains of like grave robbers or somebody got murked in there at some point, but. They they took they have biological samples that they took from esophagus. There's no esophaguses inside.

50:17 Mean sarcophaguses. Sarcophagi. Whatever, but. That's the problem is that you don't actually know if that person in the sarcophagus is the pharaoh or if it was just some person at the time. If there was even A and in this case, I'm talking about what, like the pyramids is this example. There was no sarcophagus. Yeah, you're one of the people that thinks that. Look it up. So it's. Just going to look it up. You have the evidence here. You have the burden of proof. You tell us your homework for you. No sarcophagy, Jeremy's on it right now. I don't have AI, don't have a key. You made the claim. So there were. Evidence. There were bodies found, but none of them appear to have been Pharaohs.

51:02 Yes, some mummies and other burial equipment have been found in pyramids, but not all pyramids contain bodies. Then, while no complete mummy of a pharaoh was found, remains of some were, including organs, bones and mummified remains. So there were some remains found of Pharaohs, but not complete bodies. Because because structures at which I believe were built way before dynastic Egyptians, right? The dynastic Egyptians inherited. These structures, obviously. Whatever it was right so the dynastic Egyptians inherited these these buildings and of course when they're Pharaohs and important peoples died they went to these magnificent structures that they had these grand stories about how they how they and. Then they just tore them all apart and threw all their visceral everywhere.

51:50 That's what that that thing just. All kinds of who knows man. I mean, you don't know, like there was all kinds of crazy human sacrifice happening back in the day and like all kinds of shit. So who knows how they were performing their, you know, mourning rituals when they were bringing their dead Pharaohs remains into these massive structures. You know, I'm saying the point is they weren't built as like tombs for Pharaohs as a lot of people think. Skeeter says in the chat DNA testing was just done over the past few years, proving they were all from the same body. The pyramid is a power plant and they were from the the first civilization. So the pyramid is a power plant. That's an episode in its own. We can't go down that rabbit whore right now. That is a very interesting topic. Maybe we'll cover that.

52:35 I like that theory, but I like the idea that it was more of a communicate a long range communication device. I also believe that it was as well like a very long range communication device, intergalactic or. Something like that, or at least interstellar. I I find it extremely interesting that they're perfectly aligned with the stars of Orion's belt. That's so fucking cool. And with was it the gravitational or the the true North, East, southwest of the Earth? Only at certain cycles in the in the Equatorial the equinox, right? The wobble of the earth, which happens what?

53:16 What is it every 12,000 something years, whatever the number is? Don't quote me on that, but you know, every cycle, every cycle it lines up with these, you know, stars and all these alignments and stuff, right. So The thing is you you could go back to like roughly the younger driest period and they kind of lined up right. But then the problem is like there wasn't, it was all, there wasn't jungle or anything there, right? But if you go back to the previous cycle before that, so now you're going back like 20-30 thousand years ago, way before they think there was jungle in the Sahara, right? There's all this stuff that could have potentially like brought a civilization, a smart civilization to build these types of things, right? So that's my whole thing about like, yo, these things are way older man.

54:02 Those pyramids, the Sphinx was probably a lion facing Leo 30,000 years ago, right? And then 12,000 years ago, or that's interesting, a hunter gatherers that survived the younger Dryas, they stumble across this thing. They know about it forever and ever and ever. And then dynastic Egyptians 56000 years ago are like, yo, let's build shit around here, man. Let's make this our home and like actually make this a a society here. Kind of like an aircraft. Yeah, man. Kind of a villager settlement and you build right next to it. Yeah, yeah. And then before you know it, you've got shops. Stealing pillage. You've got shops and you got mob farms and all kinds of stuff. Yeah. They're just slaughtering cats, right?

54:43 That's right. Yep. So what do you guys think of the the Christmas episode? I hate Christmas man, it's my least favorite holiday really. People are so selfish. I'm the branch dude. I I'm not a fan. I'm not festive with Christmas. Like I hate the fucking Christmas music. You know what it is? My mom ruined it for me. She had this Christmas tree when I was a kid forever. I hate Christmas music too. Yeah, she had these little bells on the tree that would always like, ring the songs like Jingle Bells and all these songs. And she just like, let it ride, man. And I'd be like, bro. And now I just hate it. I hate it all. Bro I hate. Christmas I hate going to the stores before Halloween has even happened and there's Christmas decorations I'm like, I hate the materialistic sort of thing I hate how frustrated people get because like the.

55:35 Episode was great. Yeah. Thanks, man. Appreciate it. Yeah. It's funny, dude. I love Christmas, you guys are nuts. Christmas is wack bro. I'm way too metal for Christmas, bro. August Burns. August Burns Red put out a really good metal album. I like that one. You know, Trans-siberian Orchestra, like that's cool stuff, but you know, it's very limited. Yeah. I like Christmas dubstep techno. Nope, I love everything but everything about Christmas. Absolutely everything. I. Like being in snow where it snows, where we can actually have a white powdery snowy Christmas. That's cool.

56:17 Yeah, even when they say it's not supposed to be snowing at all. Can we talk about that? Yeah, we can talk about that. All right, so apparently, well, it's been snowing here for like 3 days. Jeff, you're gonna love this. It's been snowing here for like 3 days and it wasn't forecasted. It was snowing all day today. It wasn't forecasted. Apparently there's a factory here in Menominee, Wisconsin that I think. Glass. What? They pump steam into the air and that condensates and turns it into because it's so cold. It's like 7° turns into precipitation and then it snows on us. They're literally cloud seeding. It literally sends snow through the entire Chippewa Valley. And when you look at satellite images of the area, you can see it coming from the smokestacks of cardinal glass here. Menominee.

57:05 And from what I understand, because I have a I have an employee that was working with me today who used to work there. I talked to talk to him about it and he's like, yeah. So what they do is they melt down the glass and sometimes some of the moisture from the glass or, you know, the pellets that they get will escape and it'll goes, it goes out the stack and it causes moisture to be injected into the atmosphere. And I'm like, do you think that the the government is pumping chemicals into that stack? He's like, no. And I'm like, OK, good. Well, if it's been snowing for what, 3 days you said? Yeah. Yeah. That's a hell of a lot of particulate to be going up in those smoke stacks to be turning into snow #1 I don't think the government would be using a private smokestack to just like, inject chemicals.

57:49 That's ridiculous. However, I. Mean they they apparently use private planes for it. OK. Yeah, but not the company. You said it's a glass manufacturer. Yeah. Right, like it's a glass manufacturer. The government doesn't have to like, just like have this glass manufacturer facade and do they don't have to do that. They literally have funding to just build a fucking building and be like, yo, let's do cloud seeding from this manufacturer. Like this building that we don't have to hide. Like it's not a it's not a fucking cloak and dagger situation. It's literally public information. They're doing it right now. It's not a secret. So they don't have to be like, oh, just use the class company and we'll fucking do it in the smoking. No, it's not that. Chair, hold on, I'm going to.

58:29 That's like a straw man argument for. It's like a straw man argument and and you know. This is from theweathernetwork.com there you go which I can zoom in on this a little. Bit, but here you see that. Look look better. OK, look better. But right here. So, Jake, this is if you're heading north on B like past past the the like the love station and stuff. And then here is US and this is the plume that it creates right here. Look at that thing. Yeah that that's a lot more than just like hey man, one part per million that we stand us out there has got some precipitate, you know no, no, no, no, no, no way to do look it is and if that is the case then we'd we're getting gassed by every fucking manufacturing plant. You know what I mean?

59:21 Like through here there's. 510 Seven years of snow from factory steam. So here's what you should do, here's what you should do to get to the bottom this find out what is right around that area that's not that factory that's also doing stuff right. And I guarantee you there's probably a facility. My factory, the one I worked at. Yeah. But there's probably another facility somewhere that is actually doing some sort of, you know, snowpack augmentation, cloud seeding with a ground based system somewhere in that area. I'm sure like if Whitney goes to Red Wing Airport tomorrow and there's snow on the ground, then there's obviously and it's not forecasted and it's snowing, there's obviously another plant that's doing the same thing. I guess.

1:00:09 Wow, I thought this was all baloney until it actually happened over here and I'm just like what? Isn't it crazy? Don't eat the snow, it's all glass. It's all glass. It's a movie set. It's all wet paper. Yeah. All right. Well, what do you say guys? Think that's good? I think that's good. Wait, what was your exercise? Yeah. I mean, we kind of moved along from that topic, but I guess we can. Go back to it. Come back to it. So a long, long, long time ago, CJ and I did an episode on human consciousness. No. And OK, well, then never mind then.

1:00:50 OK, so we were talking about specifically individual atoms with consciousness, right? I remember Jeff had mentioned that, not that he believed it, but this just that concept was brought up. So the question that I had posed in that was a question that was given to me by one of my college professors way back in the day. He set off this hypothetical question of human consciousness, right? Let's say I'm going to use Jake and Jeff for an example, right? Jake and Jeff, If I set you guys in chairs and put you guys back-to-back, knocked you guys out, took out your brains and swapped them, would Jeff be and Jake's body and Jake be and Jeff's body? Yes.

1:01:35 Jeffrey, OK, so why do you say no? Because I don't necessarily believe that you are just your physical meat vessel. Where is your consciousness? I believe that it's somewhere located in. I would if I had to pinpoint a specific place. I'd probably say maybe the pineal gland. So in the brain. In the brain, sure. So if I took your brain out and put your brain into Jake's skull, would you see the world as Jeffrey in Jake's body? No, you would. My brain would be in Jake's body. But.

1:02:16 But your but your pineal gland would also be in Jake's body. Yes, but I would be still within the same structure of my brain, right? So like, OK, so you're in your house. Are you your house? No, but if I go into another house, my consciousness will go into that house. Yeah, but you are not that house. You are still you. Right. But we're talking about consciousness. We're not talking. About and what I'm saying is that your consciousness is not necessarily tied to the meat vessel that is your is the body. Right, that's that's what he's saying. So your brain gets transplanted into a, a, a VAT of liquid.

1:02:57 You would still be you inside of that VAT of liquid. You would just have less things to do because you wouldn't be able to do anything except for exist and think. Sure. OK. So yes, I guess if you want to get technical, maybe it's a semantic argument. Yes. My brain and and I, my consciousness would reside now inside Jake's body, Yes. Yes, yeah. So like, I would be inside of Jeff's body. My voice might be different, my physical appearance might be different, but I would still be me. The semantics is that it wouldn't matter. Like from a large term perspective it wouldn't matter because I would still be me, but I would be just look different as if I was in if I was in a horrible fire.

1:03:43 Agreed. Where I went deaf. My ears are burned off, my eardrums were blown out, my facial figures were completely destroyed. I look like leather from, you know, the top to the bottom. I would still be me consciously, though I might have different experiences from then on, being like I couldn't hear, I was deaf now, or maybe I didn't have fingers or hands that worked right, things like that. I would still be me. I think you guys would think a little, little too deep, right? We're just an imaginary. You asked everything wrong two guys about this. Question. All right, fine. Then I'm going to continue, thinkers, we're going to continue down this path. OK? The next phase of this exercise is if I did the same thing, but I did it 1 cell at a time.

1:04:32 So I took one cell out of out of Jeff's brain and I took a cell out of Jake's brain and I swapped him and I did that completely. At what point would your consciousness transfer from your body to the other? Once all of them were completed, I believe. So you're saying that 99.9% of your brain is over in Jake's body, but that one little percentage is still in Jeff, but with 99.9% of Jake's brain, you're still in Jeff's body? Not necessarily it's complicated because you know, like again, this is not your consciousness is not necessarily tied to the meat body and the physical brain is part of the meat body, right?

1:05:12 So it's not like if you took every matter. Part. Particle matter over there? Not necessarily. Let me let me ask you another question that goes along with what you're saying. If I cut open the brain, if I cut open your brain, does your consciousness escape? OK. Well, perhaps it depends on how you do it, right? So technically it would be. Infused into the meat particles of the brain. Like if I if I cut your brain open right now with like an axe, like violently for instance, yes, your consciousness will leave your brain. I don't, I don't know enough about the brain and the different functions of like the frontal lobe and the all the stuff to make an accurate assumption of at what point your consciousness or your soul would transfer into another portion or you would be into like like you said, you know, transferring one at a time. I would suddenly then wake up in Jeff's body with my consciousness.

1:06:17 I don't know enough about the brain to make an accurate assumption of that. Well, this, this exercise isn't necessarily to have you give me a concrete answer, right? It's just a, it's an exercise to get you thinking about possibilities, right? Professor Stevenson, actually, he passed away a few years after I was in his class. Guy was amazing at making you use your brain, right? He was sure absolutely incredible at it. Yeah. And he had these exercises all the time. I mean, I can, I can always bring up a couple of them that he used to do. But this one always stuck with me because it was one that just literally just did not have an answer. And I've spent nights upon night upon night thinking about, you know, let's say Jake and I were sitting back-to-back and a doctor said, OK, swap the swap 2 cells.

1:07:09 Jeremy, you still Jeremy. Jake, you still Jake. Yep. OK, good. Then do it again. Then ask the same question. Still Jeremy. Yep. OK, good. Do it again. Still Jeremy. Good. You know, 6,000,000 times down the road and half my brain is in Jake and half my brains in me. He leans over. Am I going to be like, yeah, man, still, Jeremy. Or am I going to be like, you know, not be able to speak English? Am I going to speak twice because I have half your consciousness, Half my consciousness? Is it going to come out at the same time? No, see, I think the problem is that, you know, this is all that the most people assume that your consciousness is tied to like this 3D reality, this realm, this dimension, however you want to put it, right?

1:07:53 I don't think that's the case. I think your consciousness, your soul is the same thing really. And I think that, you know, it's tied to another plane of existence, a spiritual realm as well as this one. So like regardless of what you do with the brain, the body, anything like that, you know, the consciousness slash soul is, you know, it's not tied to this. So so. Hold on a second, Skeeter says in the chat. You'd still be seeing sensing as you would. I disagree, because who knows? Maybe Jeff is actually colorblind, or maybe I'm actually colorblind and I don't realize it. So if we could do a total brain transplant, then who's to say?

1:08:36 Because it would just be a brain with, as Jeff says, like a meat casing, right? Well, he would then have my eyes, my ears, things like that. You know, it's actually a proven thing that not every human beings actually sees the same tones of colors, other human beings. So when I see electric blue, and that's my favorite color, which it is, we got to 1st. Chatter everybody. Sorry. And Paul, welcome, it might be another. Remember White first spring in 9.393. Hello. Another type of blue. Yeah, I always found that very interesting. Like, what if my red is somebody else's green? You know, how how would that world look? And it's just that you guys are just so used. Is this the reason why some people just don't like certain colors Right?

1:09:23 Is it because you're seeing my brown? My dad, he didn't know until he was in his, his like, mid 30s that he was colorblind. Yeah, he was a paramedic. He did all sorts of stuff, like crazy stuff. Great career. And he, my mom tells this story fondly because she laughs the whole time and gets kind of frustrated where she's just like, so he was going around the house saying, where's my green pants? And she was like, Russ, you don't have any green pants. He's like, yes, I do. I wear them all the time. They're my favorite pants. And they're green. And he finally finds them. He brings them up to her. She's like, see my green pants? And she's like Russ, those are blue. He had no idea he was colorblind. He can't see the color blue.

1:10:05 He sees Gray. Well, don't they see Gray? Doesn't green Gray but colorblind? See Gray. I I don't know, but he saw, he saw green instead of blue and so he found out that he was colorblind. He wouldn't got checked out and sure enough, he's colorblind to blue. He can't see it, he sees green. So yeah, it would be common to him. But for you, if you transplanted your brain into his body was seeing with his eyes. Or maybe color blindness is in the brain and not the eyes. Who's to say? But maybe you would see all of your blue jeans as green. Or color blindness is in the brain and you would see totally fine and he would get transplanted to your body and all of your blue jeans would be green to him. Now take that concept and expand it to like, you know, senses that we don't even perceive, not just like your eyesight and color, right?

1:10:59 Like your soul and Jeremy spiritual. Well, I mean, even taste. Jeremy doesn't like mushrooms. I love mushrooms. I like the texture of mushrooms. I'd go into his brain and not like mushrooms, maybe because his tongue says he doesn't like mushrooms or because his brain says it so, in which case I would still like mushrooms in his body or he would be in my body and hate mushrooms, you know? And I think that that's the also the case again on like another level that we just don't necessarily perceive or fully understand. What is preference? Like extrasensory perceptive level of the same kind of thing. So like your consciousness, like it needs to be in your body really in this realm, you know, it doesn't really work in another body.

1:11:42 It's just not how it work. You blue screen just like you foreign code in a computer, you just green screen and shut down. But you know, so that's the thing, right? I don't think it works. I don't think that the. Yeah, I think, I think that the mysteries of the human mind is so incredible. It's absolutely amazing. Like what about the meat clump of that's in our skull makes it have consciousness? Like a lot of people will say, well it's got electrical current. Psilocybin. Over hundreds of thousands of you. No, I'm just kidding. We're about to learn about that. We're about to learn about that. Peter says or do you guys or are you guys saying just the brain?

1:12:22 I hear brain and think eyes and eardrums because they're attached. I think that just I think the eyes are just are just viewers, ears are just hears, noses are just smellers and tongues are just tasters. I think most of it comes from your brain. So honestly, if I was to really think about this, I would say that if I was transplanted into Jeff's body, my brain, my consciousness into Jeff's body and Jeff's brain and consciousness in my body, I think we'd have the same likes and dislikes and food preferences and, and, you know, smells and, and color and all that sort of stuff. The way your body's receptors are working, right? Right. That physical.

1:13:03 Body would be in a different vessel. Yeah. Just like if you would be in a robot, I would have the same taste, touch. Yeah. Now all that sort of colors, except I would be in a different body than what I started with, yeah. But the body would probably reject the consciousness like a like a surgery when you get like a new heart or liver, you reject it sometimes you know, like it's. Possible to reject? It different consciousness. Now the the question of at what point cell by cell your consciousness transmits over. I would say that it's I wanted to say it's the entirety of it, but at the same point, like yeah, there yeah.

1:13:43 Than people that have survived suicides by being by being shot in the head. Literally a chunk of their brain. Is gone in general and a portion of their brain have been destroyed and yet they are still them. Although they may be paraplegics now, but they're still them. Yep. So at what point does the brain need enough to be transferred over to still be you in this process? I have no freaking clue. Isn't that, isn't it crazy? Isn't that a fucking crazy fucking? Question not not really because some of the brain is just I think it is just for motor skills. No, I know I get. That you know the idea. Is like, like, he's like he like Jeff was saying there, there is a section of your brain obviously somewhere where consciousness is held, right? And there's a couple different theories about where the specific consciousness is held.

1:14:35 And there's no actual real scientific proof about where that is, right? Because we have never been able to seclude it and we never have been able to contain it and, and transport it. You know, it's never, that's never been a possibility. But, and, and, and there's also never been a successful brain transplant. Now if you guys want to get into. Some really shit like. There, there's been brain transplants and it's had some absolutely wild outcomes that we can talk about one day like we should. No, we can't do it right now. You mean like Young Frankenstein with the abnormal brain? I mean, I'm telling you here now, I have a topic that will cover.

1:15:18 It's going to be a Patreon topic because it's fucking intense. But I will try to track down some good books. Maybe I could track. Maybe I can look up what my old I. Had a Really. Awesome psychology. Psychology Book. I think what people get hung up on when it comes to the brain is this ancient idea that we only use 10% of our brains. But that was before we had actual brain scans where you could see people tasting something and a portion of their brain lighting up. Yeah, not something portion of their brain lights up and it encompasses the entire thing. We don't use the 100% of the thing at the exact same time because part of it's for smell and taste and vision and motor senses and thinking and irrationalizing and dreaming and all this sort of stuff, right? It's just like same thing where you could get a frontal lobotomy and then you're just, you know, you're just laying in a chair like this, but you're still thinking and still processing, right?

1:16:14 So it's like your brain is using 100% of its capability, but in different portions at different time because each part of your brain is, is, is being stimulated by other things, right? Sort of stuff. I don't think that it's like we're not. So. He loves that movie, Young Frankenstein. So when I was back in either anatomy or psychology, I can't remember which one, we learned about the different theories of where consciousness originates from. And obviously the most common is from the brain. But there is this hypothesis called the cardiocentric hypothesis I believe it was called where you believe that the primary location for human consciousness is in the heart. And although there are no solid numbers to back up this information is believe that 15% of the population believe that the consciousness comes from the heart and not from the brain. Although when you change the, the pool of people being questioned, it then almost comes to almost a complete 100% when you move into the scientific community. Now, if you apply that same thing, right, and you ask people, hey, why do you believe that It comes from your brain? A lot of people will say, well, that's because that's where I perceive the world from.

1:17:32 That is the cockpit in which my soul and my consciousness will drive this vessel into the world, right? But then people will take the exact same inputs, all of the things that they, they view this world, they feel this world, they taste it, hear it, smell it, whatever. But then they'll look at it and they'll say things and, you know, this isn't a shot to flat earthers, but they'll say, Oh, well, I perceive everything as it as it being flat. But yeah, all of my inputs, all of the information that's being given to me by the scientific community says that it's round. Now, I know that that that's not a direct argument for the concept of Flat Earth. Jeff, don't go crazy. Trust me. I know there's a lot outside of this. I'm just using it as an example, right where, you know, you'll go to some people and you'll say, hey, does this candy taste sweet or does it taste sour?

1:18:20 Some people will say sour, some people will say sweet, right. So it's it really has to come down to your, the way that your, your consciousness perceives the input of information that is being given to it. I want to say something. Yeah. So I think that the amount of people that think that consciousness comes from the heart comes from a religious background in Christianity, because there's this belief that you have to where you have to. The saying is you have to just says I stand at the door and knock, right? And you have to accept Jesus into your heart, your heart being, your being or your consciousness. Jesus says you have to repent of your sins and believe in me. But this whole thing of like asking Jesus into your heart would spawn people to believe their consciousness is in their hearts until they get a full heart transplant and their consciousness doesn't leave their body. They wake up from a full heart transplant and they're still there.

1:19:19 So obviously your consciousness isn't in your heart because it's just a muscle. It's like saying your buttocks is your consciousness. It's a muscle. It's a muscle that pumps, and it pumps blood, which granted, if you get shot in the heart, you're not going to live in the same way you get shot in so much of your brain, you're not going to live either. But it doesn't mean that your heart is your consciousness because you could get shot in the thigh in your femoral artery and bleed to death and die. That doesn't mean your consciousness is in your thigh. But I believe it comes from a religious background of the accepting Jesus into your heart, right? The heart in this is a metaphor for you, right?

1:20:02 It's vital to your survival, but it's you. What is you? You is your soul or your consciousness, which is not in your heart. Because if your heart gets transplanted with a pig's heart, because they can be actually, they're so. I guess genetically similar, they could be donated. You could donate parts from a pig into your body. That doesn't suddenly make you a pig. Now it means that you're a human being with your own consciousness, with a pig's heart. So it's not. So I think that's a a miss or a unscientific belief by people that are religious because that's what they've heard. So that's what they believe.

1:20:43 Whereas if you sat them down or you showed someone with a full heart transplant or if they go, they would then stop believing that because then their heart is somewhere else. Their heart's gone, right? They had heart disease. The heart's in a, you know, in a bin somewhere for a human remains and they have someone else's heart inside of them. They're not suddenly that person, you know, So I think that that would be a, a good way of kind of breaking that down. I think that's a. Simple similar argument to those people that say the difference between a brain, you know, the Gray matter of a brain and the thigh tissue of like a cow that's in the supermarket, is that the brain has electrical signals, our electrical signals signals, right?

1:21:32 Through it, thigh has biological signals. Right. But that's that's really. No, for real. Like when I when I went in to get my carpal tunnel thing. Well, no, I took a needle. They. Have them, yeah. He took a needle that was like the width of a hair that I could barely see even when I zoom in on the video because I took a video. It was wild. And he stuck it into my hand. He stuck in right here and he had me flex my hand and I could hear the electrical signals going through my muscles. He did in my forearms. He did in my shoulder and my chest, my biceps, my triceps, all that sort of stuff, my traps to see where the, the lock up was essentially where the nerves were kind of deadened or hyper, you know, hyperactive, I suppose.

1:22:15 But you could I, I literally was hearing the electrical signals pulsing through my muscles on the monitor. And I took a video of it. Like it's amazing the human body. But to say that that's not the same thing that's going on the brain is, is ridiculous. The only thing that's different between electrical signals going through your muscles and the signals going through your brain is that's neurons firing off. Yes. Right. So it's a completely different setup, although it's the same sort of thing. So we are in fact energy, but it's specific type of energy going through our bodies. Yeah, it's incredible to think neurons. Are your, your informational signal transporters or the exchangers of information you buy electrical signals in your brains Gray matter?

1:23:02 It's it's just it's a very interesting topic to me. That's why I have a whole section back here in my in my library on just psych mysteries like split brain thing and Deja vu and all kinds of other things that we eventually get into that I'm not going to say because we haven't done it yet. But yeah, I don't know, man, it's interesting. I just. I mean, we could go so far with this. We could say, like if my brain was transplanted into a person who's a quadriplegic, would I be able to function that body? No, because your physical body. Can't, because the electrical signals from your brain stem to your, your, your spine has been cut off and it's a physical thing. It's a physical blockage.

1:23:49 It's like a open in a circuit compared to, you know, something that's just. Yeah, unless it was neurological, right? There's so many factors. Well, that's what I was gonna say. Yeah, yeah. Unless it's like a brain thing, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like we're talking about senses and tastes and and preferences and things like that. How much of that preferences is just like your tongue is actually malfunctioning to say that this savory thing tastes gross versus your brain telling you that I don't like this because this is my preference, right? Like at one point I would have said that mushrooms were disgusting, But then I grew up and, and onions too. And I grew up and I, I love mushrooms and onions and I put them on my venison tonight, right? But so I could say that was probably my brain, but at what point do you find out that that's your tongue? That's just like, maybe you're lacking one of those five sensory taste buds that taste savory. Instead you're saying it tastes sour, right? Or something like that.

1:24:49 Like, unless it's a neurological thing, how do we actually know? So I mean, you could transport, transplant my brain into a quadriplegic and my whole brain that functions perfectly fine as far as I know, would be able to function in that body and walk and and move my arms and things like that. Versus the person whose brain is transplanted in mind would still be a quadriplegic. I think this is really what separates somebody who is like atheists or maybe agnostic versus somebody who has any type of spiritual belief. Well, this is a lot of a lot of the reason why I believe that there is something. I think you could just distill it down to that basically is what it comes down to.

1:25:30 It's like who are you, right? Do you believe that you are just matter compile, like cells and matter compiled and neuron pathways and that's you? Or do you believe that you are something else, something great, or some kind of soul or consciousness or whatever you want to put on it? I think it goes deeper than that. It's, I think it, I believe that it's more so of I want to be myself and have no one higher than myself to make my own decisions and there's no one that's going to judge me in the end. There's some people that are like that, I believe, Jeff, but I've met more people that are so rebellious that they're like, I don't want to believe in a God because I want to be in control of me.

1:26:18 I am the highest being. There's no one above me besides like law enforcement or the president or something like that, or depending on where you're at, the emperor or the king or the queen, whoever. But as far as me goes and my ability to choose my own path, I don't want anyone above me. And it's not at that point, it's not a notion of whether or not someone is bigger than you or something is bigger than you. It's that you're so rebellious that you don't want there to be, so you're going to refuse to believe it regardless of what the evidence is. If Jesus revealed himself, well, he already did and you still don't believe it so.

1:27:03 We should have saved this for like a conversation episode, you know? This is a whole. Episode He. Has to reveal himself every every year on, you know, Easter to show the new people though. Hey, I'm here. No, he already did. And there's plenty of historical evidence. But you refuse to believe because you don't want to believe, because you want to be the highest thing in your realm, right? The problem is, is if it happens now, it's just a it's a deep fake or a cheap fake as they say now, no. One's going to believe it anyway. That's the point. It's AI. It's baloney, you know? Yeah. Right, all right, I'm getting yelled at. Okay, it is time for us to retire this episode. Yeah.

1:27:43 Bye. Yeah. Whoa, whoa. We're. Done. Bye. We've fought enough. We're over it. We didn't fight, fought anyways. Jeff, you and I are gonna fight. We're gonna go in a boxing ring, so I'm probably going to lose, but I'll do it for my country, Dang it. We literally agree on like most things. Yeah, I know. Yeah, but not one thing. Fundamental thing. The thing that's going to make us fight Jeff. Yeah. I'm going to shave all my beards so you can't grab this thing and I'm going to fight you. Good thing I'm nearsighted. I don't have to wear my glasses to fight someone. Well, that has been another episode of the Infinite Rabbit Hole podcast. I hope you enjoyed the Christmas special this year where it was half Christmas half.

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