197. A Very IRH Xmas & Human Consciousness

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Welcome to the infinite rabbit
hole, everybody.

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How are we doing today?
We'll start with ya, Kuba over

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there.
Hello, Sir.

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Man, you always start with me.
What about poor Heffrey?

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I started with Heffrey last
week.

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I go back and forth.
Yeah, it's I got a little tally

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mark thing right here.
Yeah, dude, I'm phenomenal.

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I wrapped up the end of the
rifle season for deer here in

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Wisconsin.
We got 5 deer in the in the

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freezer that I butchered at home
and then I got a 6th one that is

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getting turned into brats and
jerky over at a butcher shop,

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which I'm not going to.
They're pretty backed up.

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I walked out in there and they
had like 30 deer laying on the

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floor in the cooler and stuff.
They're like, yeah, expect like

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March of a time frame.
And I was like all right, cool.

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Well, that works out anyway.
Jeez man, that's.

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Yeah.
So I took one of the quote UN

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quote doughs that I shot end up
being a button buck.

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So I filled my buck tag.
So that was cool, but I didn't

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freeze his back straps.
I ended up taking them and I cut

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them up to mid medallions and I
made it for dinner tonight with

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some sweet mashed sweet potatoes
and some was it caramelized

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onions and and stuff like that.
It was, it was phenomenal.

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So we have our meal prep for the
meal prep for the week.

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So yeah, I'm doing great.
Dude, I'm tired.

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I'm tired beyond belief.
I've been up in the weather

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report said 7°, but with the
wind chill felt like -7 for this

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entire time I've been off work
sitting out and on the tree

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stand getting deer and stuff
like that and processing them.

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So I'm, I'm all wiped out and
stuff, but I'm stoked.

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It's been a really cool last
five days or so.

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Sweet dude.
Oh yeah man, lots of dead ders.

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Lots of dead Ders.
You got some of it.

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You got some of the back straps.
I did and I appreciate.

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It of eggs for Thanksgiving.
Well, yeah, Thanksgiving claws

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came by and and gave me back
straps and Turkey and claws.

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Yeah, Heffri, what's up, buddy?
What's up bro?

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I got some new toys, huh?
I always got new toys, man, you

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know me.
Tell us about your toys.

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I got all kinds of toys, man.
We got the stream going, you

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know, we got a lot of cool
gadgets about some lights today

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I got some new lights.
I just been.

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He's like a Marvel character
scientist.

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He's just like I.
Got a new skateboard bro, check

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this thing out too.
Yeah, show me.

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Yo listen bro, I got this.
You know how much this was. 50.

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Cents 20 bucks bro.
Got the tie dye on it.

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Oh no, ripped off bro.
Cruiser, dude.

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Let's go bro.
Yeah, I'm chilling man.

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I'm ready to go though.
I got that same one for free

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from a yard in the neighborhood.
It's great.

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From a yard.
Damn, I guess they don't want

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this.
I don't have kids to like, go

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out and like, snatch stuff from
people's yards for me.

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You think I you think I pay my
kids to go steal shit?

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No, I think you just send them
to do it for free.

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Well, the truth is, is that I do
pay them.

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All right, We have some
announcements to make you guys

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ready to get into this.
Yep, Yep, you are.

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All right, First things first, I
want to say thank you to our new

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follower on Twitch I3 lit.
I thank you.

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Thank you very much, very much
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I hope you're here tonight if
you are, thank you, thank you

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very much.
I don't know if you're listening

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to Spotify or if you came across
us at one point, but thank you,

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really do appreciate it.
All right, so we have a couple

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of announcements.
Let's go with the formatting

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announcement first. 12025 is
going to be very heavy into the

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conversation and guesting
episodes, so we can make room

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for some special Patreon stuff.
Now we're going to get into the

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second announcement,
patreonpatreon.com/infinite

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rabbit hole.
January's topic has now been

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chosen.
In fact, January and February's

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topic has now been chosen.
January.

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I'm trying to have it out
January 1st for you guys.

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We will be diving in to the John
Teeter mystery.

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Now, if anybody that doesn't
know who John Teeter is, John

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Teeter is a time traveller from
the year 2036 who came back to

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the year 1975 to gather up an
IBM 5100 computer with certain

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emulation skills that helped out
with with code, with

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malfunctioning codes in the
future that helped basically

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keep the Internet alive and help
ward off certain events that

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would happen.
Some very, very, very

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interesting stuff that came in.
We have a lot of predictions

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from this man from the year 2001
that ended up coming true.

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We'll dive into that very
heavily.

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I have 19 pages already written
down and I'm only through one

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book.
I got two more to go, so this

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would be a long one.
Let's see.

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Topic #2 February is going to
be.

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See.
I was going to give you guys a

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fourth episode of Skinwalker
Ranch, but turns out that I have

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come in contact with an
additional.

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I'm just going to show you the
sides here.

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Additional thick books dedicated
to the Skinwalker Ranch with two

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CS, 3 CS some might say.
So you guys are going to get a

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brand new complete episode of
Skinwalker Ranch.

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I think we did 3 episodes for
the first one, Parts 123.

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You guys are going to get one
giant huge episode on Patreon

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for the month of February, then
for the month of March, for the

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month of March, those who are
patrons, we will be opening up a

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poll soon.
Once I figure out how to do it,

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once I figure out how to create
a poll on Patreon, we will be

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putting up six options for
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And in those six options, each
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category.
So the first category will be

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UFOs and aliens.
Second category will be

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encrypted.
Second third category is

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alternate realities, followed by
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science.
One or two of those may be

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rotated out with the 6th one
being a wild card topic.

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So we will put down a specific
what are you shaking your finger

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for?
Sure.

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I don't know what he's doing.
We'll put down a specific topic

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for you for you guys to choose a
part of those categories.

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Once you voted out, that topic
will be retired and started

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having some research done on it,
Get a script written up and that

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will be March's topic and then
the next month we will do it

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again for April's topic.
We do have some more stuff on

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the horizon, so hang tight.
Check out more posts coming from

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announcement, The Infinite
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doors.
We are officially now on the

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search for a part time Co host
part time, but there are a lot

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of things that we are looking
for in said Co host.

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There will be more details soon.
Make sure you watch the socials.

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We are looking for somebody to
fill in during certain times.

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There is a lot of stuff planned
for 2025 and we will need

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another voice on the show.
It's not going to be an every

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week thing.
It may not be an every month

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thing, it may not be in every
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officially a part time Co host
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So like I said, hang tight, look
for the socials and all of

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everything about what we're
looking for and how to apply.

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There will be an application
process, there will be an

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interview process and there will
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as well.
We are only going to accept 5

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applicants.
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So we will take all the
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We will look, we'll see which
five we believe have the best

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chance and then from there we
will narrow the field down to 1.

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We'll give him a spoon, but that
a group of them will give him a

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spoon and say fight to the
death.

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Yep.
So look, keep an eye out.

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I I hope to have this
announcement posted to the

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socials this week of see, today
is December 1st.

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So whenever you guys listen to
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already out there, but we're
going to keep the application

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process open for about a month.
So you guys should have plenty

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of time to still apply.
All right, that's all of the

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announcements, everybody.
Hopefully you guys got all of

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that.
If not, you can shoot me Adm or

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an e-mail or put something in
the chat and I will try to

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answer my best during the
episode tonight.

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But without further ado, you
guys ready to jump into a very

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IRH Christmas.
Very much so.

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Jeffrey Yeah, man.
Jeffrey, you look like your head

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hurts, man.
No, no.

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I'm echoing over there, Sir.
It was echoing.

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Or are you still echoing?
No, not anymore.

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All right then.
Let's do this, traditions.

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Hold on, hold on.
I got to increase the font size

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because I'm old and I can't read
it.

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Paganism refers to nature based
polytheistic beliefs widely

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practiced in ancient times.
The term Pagan originates from

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the Latin word paganist, meaning
country dweller.

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Central to Pagan beliefs is the
idea that nature is sacred and

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imbued with the divine spirit.
The modern celebration of

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Christmas, often associates or
often associated with the birth

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of Jesus Christ, draws heavily
from ancient Pagan traditions.

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These include the Roman festival
of Saturnalia, honoring Saturn,

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the God of agriculture, and the
Germanic Yule, a celebration of

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the winter solstice.
All festivals symbolized renewal

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and the promise of spring,
marked by feasting, gift giving,

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and communal joy.
By the 4th century, as Rome

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increasingly embraced
Christianity, Saturnalia was

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repurposed into the Christian
celebration of Jesus birth.

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Saturnalia, originally held from
December 17th, became integral

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to the new holiday now
celebrated solely on December

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25th.
Saturnalia was filled with

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diverse activities including
religious ceremonies, public

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feasts, gift exchanges, games,
dancing, decorations, and even

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the temporary liberation of
enslaved people.

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Unique customs like dunking face
in faces in icy water, added a

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playful element.
A key ritual involved

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sacrificing a pig at the Temple
of Saturn on the festival's

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first day.
This pig was then shared in a

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communal feast, and pigs,
whether live or as pork or

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sausages, were commonly
exchanged as gifts.

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Like Saturnalia, Yule was
originally tied to the winter

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solstice, a period when the
Sun's path is at its

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southernmost point in the
Northern hemisphere.

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Traditionally celebrated in
January, Yule was later shifted

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to align with Christmas, a
change attributed to the growing

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influence of Christianity during
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Between 934 and 961, King Hakon
the First of Norway decreed that

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Yule should coincide with
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Yule featured both familiar and
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While feasting and gift giving
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Christmas, Yule also involved
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golden goats, and pigs.
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was sprinkled on walls, floors,
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participants civilizing life
itself.

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Yule logs, decorated ribbons,
holly, and mistletoe were burned

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to ward off the darkness and
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Other traditions including
baking, decorating, meditating,

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vigils, and height stringing, a
practice where individuals place

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their hands on a pig and made
solemn oaths Amid Yule

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festivities loomed the myth of
the Wild Hunt, a spectral

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hunting party led by the Norse
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Accompanied by ghostly riders on
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said to capture mortals who
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Today, this legend is often
viewed as an early boogie man

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tale, used to keep children
indoors during the cold,

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dangerous nights of winter.
The concept of the boogeyman has

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been a universal element of
human culture, appearing in

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countless forms across
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At its core, it reflects
humanity's enduring tradition of

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storytelling, blending
cautionary tales with imagine

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imaginative narratives to
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safety.
Through these rich and

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interconnected traditions, the
modern holiday of Christmas has

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evolved, carrying with it echoes
of ancient Pagan celebrations

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that honored the rhythms of
nature and the promise of

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renewal.
All right, Part 1 done.

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Done.
So, Jeff, I know you have things

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to say about Saturnalia.
Oh, I got a lot I can say about

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Saturnalia.
Are you going to get more into

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that or?
Oh OK, well I can talk for 4 1/2

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hours about Saturnalia.
But yeah, I was just going.

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To say, all right, Oh no, please
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Well, you know, it's just like
the animal sacrifice thing that

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usually and in this particular
case comes from actual human

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sacrifice.
And then, you know, they would

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trade, they transition more into
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obviously you can't just be
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time.
Doesn't look good, but.

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Also, you run out of people.
Yeah, and it and it's

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interesting, like the concept
of, you know, doing these

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rituals and and burning.
What was it that they were

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burning to?
It was mistletoe in Holly.

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Holly.
Right in the Yule logs.

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Castaway the dark and bring back
the light.

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I talk about that a lot in my
show, that they're the Saturn.

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You know, there's like the
Saturn death cult that I think

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is a big chunk of what people
call the Illuminati, right?

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The people who run the world.
They're not necessarily

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worshipping like in like
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It's not the same.
It's more of a cult offshoot of

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that.
It's like this Saturn death

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cult.
And their whole idea is that

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they're doing these rituals and
these cullings of the population

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on Earth to bring back like a
golden age back, you know, eons

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ago.
But it's interesting.

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Interesting, very interesting,
Jeff or Jacob.

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How about all this paganism do?
I mean, I have no qualms with

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this.
I know that Catholicism, when it

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was embraced in Rome, I believe
the story was it was Constantine

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was the Roman emperor at the
time, and he was losing all of

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his generals to Christianity
because when they were

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persecuting the early church,
they would take Christians and

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they'd feed him the lions and
they would throw him off at

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cliffs and all sorts of stuff.
And they couldn't get these guys

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to say that they didn't believe
in Christ because at the time

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you were to declare Caesar of
Rome as your God, right?

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And so if you didn't declare him
as your God, then you were

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executed because, you know that
they couldn't have that.

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So he was losing all of his top
generals and folks in his

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military to Christianity because
no matter how many of these

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Christians they threw off a
cliffs one after another, they

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refused to renounce their faith
in Christ.

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And so their generals started
just being like, wow, I mean, I

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don't know if I do that for my
faith in, you know, the emperor.

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So they started turning over to
Christianity.

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And because he was losing touch
with all of his top brass, he

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decided that Christianity was
going to become the religion of

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Rome.
And that's when you get a lot

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of, you know, I, I, there's
clearly a difference between

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Christianity and Catholicism.
I don't, I know that's kind of a

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touchy subject.
I think one of the most obvious

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differences is that we don't,
you know, confess to priests and

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we don't for Protestants, we
don't confess to priests and we

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don't, you know, pray to the
Virgin Mary to intercede for us.

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But another thing is that the 10
commandments catechism, they

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remove the second of the 10
commandments, which is that you

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shall have no graven images or
idols.

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And they remove the second one
and they split the 10th, which

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says not to covet your
neighbor's wife and not to covet

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your neighbor's items.
So they make those.

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So there's still 10
commandments, but they split the

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10th 1 into two parts and remove
the second one.

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Because if you go into any
Catholic Church, there's, you

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know, idols everywhere.
It's not just like a, like a

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Protestant church where there's
a cross on the wall, statues of

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Mary, there's statues of Jesus,
There's all sorts of things.

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I've, I've been at a Catholic
mass with my grandparents and

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they were literally lining up to
kiss the feet of the statue of

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Jesus.
You know, I mean, I know it's

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all symbolism, but still.
So there, there's differences

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and stuff.
And I think that a lot of that,

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oh, Jesus, I fell off.
I think a lot of that might come

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from the early Roman influence
of, you know, their acceptance

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of Christianity, where they
didn't entirely remove all of

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their their Pagan beliefs.
Instead, they incorporate

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incorporated it into their
Christian beliefs, which is

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different from say, like way
back in the day a pastor, a

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Christian missionary ran into
Hawaii.

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Where they are worshipping trees
and things like that.

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And he.
So they chopped down the trees

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and threw and set them on fire
or like threw them a new volcano

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and they're like, OK, now what?
Where's your God?

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And they're like, OK, well,
you're right.

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You know, there's no power here.
Instead, they incorporated it

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deeply into that.
And that's why you get a lot of

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the Christmas celebrations these
days that, you know, seem to

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have a lot of Pagan roots.
And obviously Jesus Christ, you

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know, there's plenty of
historians and archaeologists

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that aren't Christians, that
aren't religious, that are

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atheists, in fact.
But they say that Jesus existed.

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He was a person, he had a
following.

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He was executed by the Romans at
the plea of the Jewish Sanhedrin

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because he claimed to be God.
And they said that that was

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blasphemous.
And the Romans were occupying

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the area at the time.
They carried out all the capital

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punishments.
So, but at the time of Christ's

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birth, these, these, you know,
Pagan civilizations didn't

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exist, You know, England,
Scotland, the Norse, they all

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came way afterwards and they
became that through hunter

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gatherers civilizations, right?
But I think that the paganism

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element of believing that
basically like the, and this is,

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you know, goes like pantheism
goes into what the Native

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Americans in large believed
where everything is God or the,

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the spirit of the God is in the
rocks and the trees and all this

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sort of stuff.
And we all all have this sort of

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like, you know, element around
us, right?

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Where we're, we're all God or
we're all divine or something

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like that, right?
Or they, they worship the

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nature.
I think that in the history of

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humanity, people know that there
is a being that's higher than

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them, and they've been seeking
that out.

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So it doesn't surprise me that
civilizations that are so

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distant from each other in
either time or place wouldn't

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come to the same conclusion that
something is bigger and more

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powerful than they are.
Thus it should be honored and

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respected.
And we see that played out in

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many different ways through the
different cultures and things

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like that.
So, yeah, I have no qualms with

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any of this sort of stuff.
I mean it.

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It all makes sense to me.
Right on.

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Good stuff.
Why are you booing me in the

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chat bro?
Because you're.

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Lame.
Why not everyone?

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Knows you're lame, Jeff.
What?

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What didn't you do, Jeff?
What didn't you do?

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Answer that.
Never mind, put your booze away.

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He has a cat.
Good stuff.

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Are you guys ready to move on to
the second section?

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Yes, Sir.
Yeah.

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Alrighty, let's learn about some
folklores and some creatures.

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Yule folklore and mythical
creatures As we've discussed,

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Yule is rich with legends and
traditions, many of which carry

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a darker edge.
Among these tales is the story

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of the Yule cat, Olek Yulek
Uterine, a gigantic black feline

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that stalked the snowy forest of
Iceland's mountains.

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This fearsome creature was said
to prey on those who failed to

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receive new clothes of
sufficient quality during the

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season of Giving, a sign they
had not worked hard enough

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during the fall harvest.
Watching through windows on the

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night of the giving, the Yule
cat would seize and devour its

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unfortunate victims.
Over time, this terrifying

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legend evolved into a symbol of
vigilance, promoting the safety

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and well-being of children.
In Scandinavia, Yule brought the

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figure of the Yule goat, Yolk
Bulkton, often presented by

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straw sculptures displayed in
towns and cities.

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The Yule goat, also known also
called the Yule buck, symbolize

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joy and gift giving during the
holiday season.

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While its origins remain
unclear, some believe it is tied

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to the Norse God Odin, whose
chariot was pulled by two goats,

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Tanger Sneer and Tanger Josture.
In Icelandic lore, Greyla, a

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mountain dwelling troll,
descended during the solstice to

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devour misbehaving children.
Her 13 mischievous sons, the

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Yule Lads, added another layer
to these legends.

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These pranksters would visit
homes over the 13 days leading

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to Yule, leaving gifts and shoes
left on window sills for well

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behaved children or a rotten
potato for those who misbehaved.

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Each Yule Lad had a signature
prank.

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Sheep coat clawed 8 yewberries
from sheep sheds.

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Goalie Buck stole cow milk
Stubby took from food pans.

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Spoon Liquor and Pot scraper did
exactly as their name suggests.

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Bowl liquor stole bowls from
under beds, door slammer bang

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doors at night.
Skier Goggler devoured yogurt,

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sausage swiper, window peeper,
meat hook and candle Beggar

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rounded out this mischievous
crew.

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Other sinister creatures of
Pagan lore include Buggies and

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boggles, shadowy fairy like
beings.

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Bogies targeted naughty
children, sometimes dragging

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them to the devil himself, while
Boggles preyed on criminal

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adults.
Both were described as humanoid

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shadows and are thought to have
inspired modern tales of

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poltergeist, shadow people and
black phantom dogs.

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A chilling Yule myth is the Wild
Hunt, a ghostly possession led

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by Odin atop his skeletal steed.
Accompanied by special warriors

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like the in Rahar and the
Valkyries, Odin haunted mortals

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who failed to find refuge.
This legend may have been

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inspired by celestial phenomenon
such as mysterious lights in the

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sky, which could have been
interpreted as Odin's war band.

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Another figure tied to the Wild
Hunt is Frau Perkta, a Witch

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life Creature, a witch like
character who led Spirits of the

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Dead.
Unlike modern witch tropes,

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Perta targeted young women who
failed her standards of sewing

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and household cleanliness,
punishing them during their

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ominous March.
Yule's folklore is a fascinating

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tapestry of joy, caution, and
terror, blending ancient Pagan

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beliefs with seasonal
celebrations.

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Whether through the Yule Cat,
the pranks of the Yule Lads, or

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the ominous specter of the Wild
Hunt, these stories continue to

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captivate and remind us of the
depth of human imagination

449
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,560
during the darkest times of the
year.

450
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,520
For a deeper dive into these
legends, check out episode 67 of

451
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,320
our show, where we explore the
story of Krampus, the dark

452
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,560
counterpart to Santa Claus.
From its connection to the Yule

453
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,640
Goat to its fearsome appearance,
the Krampus embodies the balance

454
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,600
of light and dark central to
Yule mythology.

455
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,880
Special thanks to Jake for his
incredible sound effects and

456
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,960
atmosphere.
Music done during the intro to

457
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,280
that episode.
You're welcome.

458
00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:58,000
So you mean to tell me that bold
liquor is stealing chamber pots?

459
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,960
Yep.
There's no no.

460
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,800
No, no, no, no, no.
Under a bed, except a chamber

461
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,640
pot.
No shit, Google this.

462
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,440
I had to do it too because I
actually thought that they were

463
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:12,040
talking about piss pots too.
So apparently it was so cold

464
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,320
then that they wouldn't get up
out of their bed to put their

465
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,960
food away because they would eat
in their beds so that they would

466
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,840
put the the bowl with its scraps
stuck to the side under their

467
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,960
bed until morning until they can
take care of them then.

468
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:26,960
Yeah, he's still in chamber
pots.

469
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,960
You can say whatever you want.
Well, meat hooker.

470
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,640
Yeah, right, Meat hook hooking
all the meats.

471
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,840
Did you ever see?
Gosh, what was it?

472
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,160
Do you watch Marvel movies?
There was 2 goats in the last

473
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,240
one.
Did you just ask him if he see

474
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,920
never mind?
Well, I don't know.

475
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,320
He likes what kind?
Of stupid question is that.

476
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,800
But I mean, Jeff, you know, the
the two goats that was in, was

477
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,800
it Thor Ragnarok?
Maybe no.

478
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,480
I've never seen.
I don't watch Marvel movies

479
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,760
either.
Wow, never mind then, you guys

480
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,080
are worthless.
Yeah, say it for say it for the

481
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,760
community.
Tell the tell the people.

482
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,280
I'm going to go get a beer.
You talk about Marvel.

483
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,440
The two goats, the gosh you, you
pronounce them so well, Tan

484
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,400
Gristner, Tan Gristner and Tan
Joster.

485
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,760
I want to say those were the
goats that was that were

486
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:25,080
represented in, I think it was
Thor Ragnarok, maybe a different

487
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,440
one, the screaming goats that
they got Thor and whatever.

488
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,600
This says it's Thor love and
Thunder.

489
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:33,480
Thor Love and Thunder.
That's it.

490
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,840
Yeah, that's funny.
The Scream.

491
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,280
Even though that existed.
You know, the thing that I have

492
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,800
an issue with is when, and I
understand what happened here is

493
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,680
like paganism.
Right.

494
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,160
Could beer?
Paganism is not a thing.

495
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,680
It's so many things from
different tribes, different, you

496
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,800
know, all these.
So, you know, you can't honestly

497
00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:01,040
distill it down to like, here's
some things that pagans

498
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,360
believed, right?
Because it's not necessarily the

499
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,280
case, unfortunately.
Like all of that history has

500
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,960
just been wiped away or or a
good chunk of it has been just

501
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,520
wiped away.
Well, I don't know if it's been

502
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,120
wiped away versus it wasn't just
written down.

503
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,120
It got, it got pissed down
through oral traditions and just

504
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,320
upbringing.
And then eventually with a lot

505
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,040
of these places like Norway and,
and you know, the like, like

506
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,520
where the Vikings and stuff came
from, it got taken over by

507
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,640
Christian or Catholicism, right?
And so it kind of got left in

508
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,400
the dust.
But none of this stuff was like

509
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,000
written down.
So people are kind of doing a

510
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,640
lot of guesswork basically like
the Vikings show you, you'd

511
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:47,400
assume by the Vikings show or
Leif Erickson that show Vikings

512
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:53,280
Valhalla on on Netflix that
Vikings wore braided hair.

513
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:59,560
But from the three examples that
we have from images and an

514
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,560
actual Viking, you know, person
that we've just that has been

515
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,320
discovered through archaeology,
that's not the case.

516
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,680
There's actually no historical
evidence that they actually, you

517
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,080
know, shaved, you know, kept the
top long, shaved the sides and

518
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,120
braided it into a French braid.
That's just not a thing, right?

519
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,160
But it's only popular by the
show from Netflix Pop.

520
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,160
Culture and.
So it's just like, you know, so

521
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,320
it's like, I think a lot of the
stuff is guesswork because none

522
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,880
of it got actually written down
because it was all just, this is

523
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,480
the way we live, you know?
Part of it is that none of it

524
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:32,760
got written.
A lot of it didn't get written

525
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,960
down.
But you, we have to agree.

526
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,600
You must agree with me here that
there was a clear effort in his

527
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:43,080
back in history at some point
for a lot of these tribes and

528
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,680
these like what you would
consider like Pagan beliefs,

529
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,080
right to be like literally
eradicated and to be either if

530
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:55,560
not assimilated with the new you
know the the way right the

531
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,400
Christian way the.
New belief, yeah.

532
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,240
Right, if not to be assimilated
and tweaked in somewhat way, in

533
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,440
some ways, some of those
cultures are just completely

534
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,920
gone, right.
And some of those and a lot of

535
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,320
those stories must be of the
people, you know, the the

536
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,880
soldiers, the men who went to
these far off places, right?

537
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,400
And they just encountered these
unknown tribes that had these

538
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,000
unknown beliefs, right?
And after whatever happened,

539
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,920
they came back and said, hey,
man, these people believe that

540
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,640
there's elves that that scare
your children, man.

541
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,080
And people are like, what are
you talking about?

542
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,520
And they're like, yeah, well,
that's what they believed.

543
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,600
And then, you know, sure enough,
those people aren't there

544
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:34,960
anymore, right?
So it's like.

545
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:41,000
I think the problem is, is that
the way that humanity as a whole

546
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,920
conquered and eradicated other
civilizations or pulled them

547
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,000
into their own.
So you can see that the Romans

548
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,960
you can see that with the until
the Hun you can see that with.

549
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,720
Oh yeah, like everybody.
Everybody.

550
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,120
Everybody, everybody did it.
But it wasn't until you got to

551
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,840
this generation of technological
advancements where we actually

552
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,160
care about history.
And that's what the problem is.

553
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,760
No one cared about history.
No one cared about the cultural

554
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:17,160
history of like, let's, you
know, explore or let's preserve

555
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,000
these people's way of life,
their temples, their relics,

556
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,280
their whatever.
Nobody gave a no.

557
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,640
One, no one cared about that
stuff until you got into the

558
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,080
modern age.
So that's what the problem is.

559
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,520
People were just conquering left
and right, assimilating into

560
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,320
their religions left and right,
whatever it may have been, you

561
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,640
know, taking slaves, taking
servants, you know, then being

562
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,280
conquered by other nations,
right, things like that, that.

563
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,880
But no one really took the time
to be like, well, wait a second,

564
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,040
maybe we should study this.
I want to wonder where these

565
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,600
people came from.
They were just so envisioned

566
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,600
with conquest, it didn't matter.
And so that's really where you

567
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,200
get.
So yeah, I mean, I agree with

568
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,000
you.
I don't think it was intentional

569
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:04,120
for the idea of stamping it out,
but more so of just like we need

570
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,200
to get rid of everything that
they believe in and everything

571
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,680
that makes them them so they can
become US.

572
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,560
Yeah, and that's.
Always as a not so much as a

573
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,080
wiping the slate clean.
And let's have humanity know

574
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,880
information on these people.
It probably wasn't that logic,

575
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,320
but you're right.
Yeah.

576
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,200
Yeah, no.
And I don't, and I'm not saying

577
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:29,160
it that it was done like
necessarily in that type of

578
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,160
nefarious way, sure, another
type of nefarious way, right?

579
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,480
But like, and I'm also not
saying it in like the way that,

580
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,200
you know, world culture might
represent these types of

581
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,560
arguments.
I'm just stating like a fact,

582
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,680
like, hey, it's unfortunate that
we don't know what a lot of

583
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,520
these beliefs were, right.
So like when Jeremy's lifting

584
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,360
listing off and I know Jeremy,
you know, he's he obviously went

585
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,800
through a lot to get all of
these different, you know,

586
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,240
things and all that.
But it's just like at the same

587
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,720
time, you know, each not, I'm
not even say each one of those,

588
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,520
but there's a lot of those that
are just like whole different

589
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,840
religions and cultures.
You know what I'm saying?

590
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,720
It's not just like what what
people run around.

591
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,800
They're just like, oh, that's
some paganism, right?

592
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,199
Because it's it, it is just such
a broad brush and a broad word

593
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:13,639
as Skeeter was saying in the
chat.

594
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:16,679
It's just like it, it irks me.
It rubs me the wrong way.

595
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:17,840
Well.
Paganism.

596
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,920
The idea of paganism could
encompass jeez.

597
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,080
It could encompass the, you
know, the pics before they

598
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,280
became the English.
It could encompass.

599
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,960
Well hold on, because there
there is a of.

600
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:32,239
There is a definition.
Ireland.

601
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,760
Yeah, I was.
Going to say what's the actual

602
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,199
definition?
Of the definition The definition

603
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,800
of the word paganism or Pagan
the the practice.

604
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,040
It's an umbrella term used to
describe religious beliefs or

605
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,760
faithful beliefs that believe in
a polytheistic system based on

606
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,159
nature.
So basically everything up until

607
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:54,600
monotheism, right?
And that's the whole point that

608
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,480
I'm trying to make here.
I'm not pointing the finger

609
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,160
necessarily, and I know you're
not thinking that I am or just

610
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,080
for anybody else.
No, I do.

611
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,080
Really I do.
I'm not.

612
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,000
Pointing the finger at
Christianity like you did this.

613
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,160
I'm just saying like because of
monotheism.

614
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,240
Thank you for using the the
terms here, because that helps.

615
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,280
Because of monotheism.
Take your pick of the big three.

616
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:18,560
It just kind of that wiped away.
It's like 8090%.

617
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,560
I don't know how much
information just got completely

618
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,280
lost to history because it's
just.

619
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:28,280
Less the cultures were able to
survive an extended period of

620
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:33,840
time.
So say like Hinduism, Hindus or

621
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,080
Hindi has been around for a
really long time.

622
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,280
I think Hindi is actually the
language, but Hinduism has been

623
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,960
around for a really long time.
And I think they have something

624
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,640
like like 80 million gods and
goddesses.

625
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,720
But we have that information
because that culture has been

626
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:50,680
around for so long in India,
right?

627
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,600
It wasn't conquered by another
civilization.

628
00:35:54,680 --> 00:36:00,280
Like I know that before Mohammed
came the Middle Easterners.

629
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,840
I mean, I'm not gonna, I don't,
I don't know off top of my head

630
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,000
the exact region, but I know
that they believed in like the

631
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,840
moon God and stuff like that.
And then he told them about

632
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,840
Allah, right?
And and he turned them into a

633
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,480
monotheistic well, the whole
area into a monotheistic

634
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,560
religion versus I don't know if
it was just the moon God or if

635
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,920
it was other gods as well, but
cultures that have existed for

636
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,240
an awfully long time, their
history is preserved.

637
00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:34,520
The small cultures like hunter
gatherer tribes, early Norwegian

638
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,320
tribes.
You know, what is it?

639
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,920
It's it's Norway.
What Dutch cultures.

640
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,560
It wasn't, it wasn't just
Norway.

641
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,000
That was the Vikings, right?
But they all Scandinavia.

642
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:48,360
Scandinavia but what?
Scandinavia is a is a northern

643
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:49,920
region.
Right.

644
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,000
You know, I mean, I think it
covers everything from Norway to

645
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,280
Switzerland.
I mean, shoot, I think it shoots

646
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,360
over to like, Greenland,
Iceland, Yeah.

647
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,400
You know all all.
But they they seem to have very

648
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,520
similar beliefs in well, if
we're talking about Yule, that

649
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,240
was their belief, right?
Yep.

650
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:11,520
You couldn't, you couldn't
attribute Yule folklore and

651
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,160
mythological creatures related
to Yule to the Native Americans.

652
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,840
That's not what they believed,
right?

653
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,320
They, they had pantheism or
monotheism, but it was in

654
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,760
relation to nature and they had
it in relation to like animals

655
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,240
and things like that was
completely separate from what

656
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,320
these people believe.
So although paganism, I agree,

657
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:37,920
is such a huge broad brush
stroke upon all of the cultures

658
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,120
that kind of believe the same
sort of a thing.

659
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,680
I agree with you, Jeff, that
well, in this circumstance we

660
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,440
are focused on Yule, but it
should be, you know, I don't

661
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,120
know if that umbrella term then
has subsections of different,

662
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,440
you know, cultures and things
like that.

663
00:37:53,440 --> 00:38:00,160
So, OK, so there is a difference
between paganism and the Native

664
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,560
American tribes.
So the Native American tribes,

665
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,280
they practiced animism, I
believe it's called.

666
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,760
Animism is the belief in, it's
not animals, it's that

667
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,960
everything has a soul, or an
essence if you will.

668
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,520
Right.
So where pagans specifically

669
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,880
believed in nature and natural
beings, natives believed in

670
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,520
animism, which was everything.
Everything.

671
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,800
The storm had a soul.
The the boulders, the trees, the

672
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,640
wind, everything had a soul,
everything had an essence.

673
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,760
I hope that clears that up.
It's interesting to me, I don't

674
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,320
know let you know I'm on the
belief that that might be the

675
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,040
case, you know, and there are
some scientific studies that are

676
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,320
happening currently that are
starting to kind of show that in

677
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,960
ways.
So it's interesting to me that

678
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,600
that that type of thinking was
lost is the best way I can put

679
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,240
it right?
It was just lost for so long.

680
00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:00,680
I mean, now we're coming back to
it with advanced technologies

681
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,560
and it, you know, that's one of
the things that I always wonder

682
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,680
about with advanced ancient
civilizations.

683
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,480
You know, I don't necessarily
think they were flying around in

684
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,680
spaceships.
I just think that they were

685
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,240
advanced in other ways that
we're not necessarily

686
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:16,840
considering, right.
Maybe they were using vibrations

687
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,800
and sound technologies as like
one of their primary energy

688
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,440
sources somehow.
I don't know, but yeah, it's

689
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,160
just super interesting.
You guys ready to finish this

690
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,240
up?
I think that the reason why this

691
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:37,720
has died out so much is if you
give everything in nature, that

692
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:41,520
sort of everything in nature
includes us.

693
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,880
So if you give everything in
nature that's sort of like

694
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,920
divine spark and say that
everything is divine, right,

695
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,520
sort of stuff.
And then you see things like,

696
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,440
you know, people murdering each
other or serial killers or

697
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,760
people stealing and things like
that.

698
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:04,200
It kind of takes away from that.
And so I like S on the chat,

699
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,160
Skeeter said Christianity is
saying that everything is demons

700
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,520
and evil, so get rid of it.
I mean, I you could, but

701
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,200
something has to be true.
There is a truth out there.

702
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,000
It's not everything is true
because everything contradicts

703
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,600
each other.
So there has to be a truth.

704
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,080
So if Christianity is true, then
that's the way it is.

705
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,400
Islam is true and that's the way
it is.

706
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:25,920
Judaism is true, that's the way
it is.

707
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,120
Hindu, Hinduism is true, that's
the way it is.

708
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:34,920
And if pantheism or Yule
beliefs, right, the Thor, Odin,

709
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,480
you know, all that stuff, the
Valkyries is true, then that's

710
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,080
the way it is.
Someone has to, everyone else is

711
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,280
wrong except for that thing that
is true, right?

712
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,840
And I think that there's a lot
to be said about Christianity

713
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,560
staying around for so long
despite the persecution that

714
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,080
Christians have had throughout
the years.

715
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,560
And it's probably a lot to do
with the fact that people were

716
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,600
proven wrong that, you know,
everyone has divine spark until

717
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,720
someone walks into a source or
shooting people.

718
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,200
Well, not that guy.
Well, why not, you know.

719
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,360
Free will.
You know, well, a lot of people

720
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,200
don't believe in free will.
I've met several people that

721
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,800
don't.
Well, I'm just saying if you're

722
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,920
going to stick to that, if
you're going to say that that's

723
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,280
the case that you know.
But saying that that person's

724
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,520
God is all good.
I don't that.

725
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,160
Person goes through killing
people, that's too.

726
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,560
You know, that's too new age for
me.

727
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,320
You know, I don't think that
whole like, you know, we're all

728
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:28,960
God.
You know, everything is I don't

729
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,840
that's to me, that's a new.
Age absolutely too.

730
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,680
Too new talking about the.
Collective consciousness kind of

731
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,680
thing.
What I'm thinking is just more

732
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,680
like everything.
If I mean look, even if you look

733
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,280
at it from a perspective, a
monotheistic perspective, right?

734
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:47,480
Like from my perspective is that
if God created everything in the

735
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,600
universe, then everything must
have at least the slightest

736
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,720
little touch of that essence in
it somehow, right?

737
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:55,720
It's been created by the
creator.

738
00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:58,800
So it has to have something.
And that something might be

739
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,720
whatever the word is that we
don't have a word for that ether

740
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,640
ish type thing that it does.
Why can't the creator just have

741
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,600
a creation and the creation be
the creation and the creator the

742
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,720
creator?
Like if I made something out of

743
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:16,360
clay, that doesn't mean that my
essence is inside of that thing.

744
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,320
It's just a thing that I made.
Sure.

745
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,920
I'm not saying that it has to be
as important or as cherished or

746
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,000
valued as.
Well, I think what you're saying

747
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,440
is the soul.
The soul I'm not.

748
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,600
Well, I'm trying not to say the
soul is the.

749
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,560
Point where you're saying.
No, I'm, I'm saying that I don't

750
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,800
think every molecule has a soul,
but I think that every molecule

751
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,160
is somehow tied to like a
greater consciousness.

752
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,360
From the smallest to the
biggest.

753
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,520
Yeah, you're probably right, but
that doesn't mean that they're

754
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,160
divine.
I'm not saying I don't make

755
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,080
that, but that they.
Or that, rather rather, that

756
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,560
they deserve to be worshipped.
I don't make that argument

757
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,200
either.
So that's the thing that's

758
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,320
that's the different.
People do.

759
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,600
People do, yeah.
We've got a little question

760
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,080
slash exercise to do at the end
of this episode.

761
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,400
I think you guys think it was
fun.

762
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,800
OK.
And then it's just for some

763
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,000
reason came up during that
little back-to-back you guys

764
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,640
had.
Bet you guys are ready to hear

765
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,240
about the big man.
Oh yeah, man, the fat man.

766
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,320
The big fat man Santa.
Santa Claus, the beloved figure

767
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,960
of modern Christmas, draws his
origins from Saint Nicholas,

768
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,640
also known as Center Claus in
Dutch tradition.

769
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:35,000
Born in 3rd century Greece,
Nicholas inherited great wealth,

770
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,120
excuse me, after the tragic loss
of his parents.

771
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,160
Deeply inspired by his Christian
faith, he devoted his life to

772
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,800
helping those in need.
Living as a reflection of Jesus

773
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,400
Christ's teachings, Nicholas
became the Bishop of Mira,

774
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,840
earning renowned for his
generosity, love for children,

775
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,000
and care for sailors.
Stories of his kindness became

776
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,440
legendary, including one where
he anonymously helped the poor

777
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,440
man pay the dowries required to
marry off his three daughters.

778
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,680
The man, desperate to secure
better lives for his daughters,

779
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,040
had resorted to dire measures to
gather the necessary funds.

780
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,040
Hearing of his plight, Nicholas
secretly tossed sacks of gold

781
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,000
coins through the man's window
on three consecutive nights.

782
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,920
On the final night, the man
stayed awake to catch the

783
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,480
mysterious benefactor.
When he discovered Nicholas, he

784
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,640
fell at his feet in gratitude,
praising him as a savior.

785
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,840
St.
Nicholas's legacy inspired the

786
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,040
celebration of Saint Nicholas
Day, observed on December 6th.

787
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,600
Gift giving became central to
this feast, and traditions like

788
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,640
leaving shoes or stockings for
Nicholas to fill with gifts and

789
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,880
sweets emerged.
Over time, the practice evolved

790
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,760
into the modern notion of
rewarding good children with

791
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,880
presents and punishing naughty
ones with less pleasant

792
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,840
surprises, such as cold.
During the late Victorian era,

793
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,680
the British figure of Father
Christmas became entwined with

794
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,360
the image of Saint Nicholas.
Dressed in red robes, Father

795
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,280
Christmas symbolizes cheer,
family, togetherness, and

796
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,040
nostalgia for the good old days.
His popularity surged in the

797
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:18,040
17th century as a defiant emblem
against the Puritan government's

798
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,840
attempts to suppress Christmas
celebrations.

799
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,800
Long before Saint Nicholas or
Father Christmas, the Norse God

800
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,840
Odin played a role in shaping
the mythology of Santa Claus.

801
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,440
Odin, often depicted with a
white beard and a cloak, led the

802
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,000
spectral Wild Hunt during Yule,
riding his eight legged horse to

803
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:41,160
sleep near Norse traditions
including included hiding from

804
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,200
Odin during the hunt to avoid
his gaze.

805
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,480
The concept echoed in Santa's
role of Don't catch him in the

806
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:52,040
Act or no guests for you as
you'll was moved to coincide

807
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,720
with the Christian celebration
of Jesus birth on December 25th,

808
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:59,280
the traditions of Saint
Nicholas, Father Christmas and

809
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,680
Odin merged.
Nicholas contributed the spirit

810
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,480
of gift giving and love for
children, Father Christmas

811
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,560
brought the red robe and joyful
family image, and Odin had the

812
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,840
mysterious rules of Christmas
Eve.

813
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,880
The modern image of Santa Claus
owes much to artist Hodon

814
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,600
Sundblum, who was commissioned
by the Coca-Cola Company in the

815
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,080
next Sun.
Bloom's portrayal of Santa as a

816
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,040
jolly, plump man with rosy
cheeks, a fluffy beard and the

817
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,920
iconic red suit became the
definitive look for Santa.

818
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,960
Before this, Santa was often
described as a small elf like

819
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,160
figure, a far cry from the
grandfatherly image we know

820
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,200
today.
Today's Santa Claus is a

821
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,960
culmination of centuries of
legends and traditions, from the

822
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,680
charitable deeds of Saint
Nicholas to the nostalgic cheer

823
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,200
of Father Christmas and the
mystical undertones of Odin's

824
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,880
Wild Hunt.
Thanks to artistic imagination

825
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:01,440
and cultural evolution, Santa
now stands as a universal symbol

826
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:05,920
of joy, generosity, and the
magic of Christmas.

827
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,240
All done.
Skeeter, I saw that in the chat,

828
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:10,400
he said.
You can find a part of Saint

829
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:15,840
Nick's hip bone in Chicago held
by the Shrine of All Saints in

830
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,040
Saint Martha of Bethany Church,
Morton Grove, IL, USA.

831
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,160
Really.
I find that interesting because

832
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,080
that's something that the
Catholic churches have that the

833
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,680
Protestant churches don't.
We don't excavate the bones of,

834
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,520
they say the Saints, but
according to the Bible, everyone

835
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,040
who believes in Christ is
considered a St.

836
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:41,880
We don't excavate the bones of
people and put them on display

837
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,160
or put them in places where
people can go and view them and

838
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:46,720
stuff like that.
I found that to be really

839
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:48,360
interesting and I've seen that
before.

840
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,240
I'm just like weird.
Just honestly, just throw me in

841
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:53,320
a garbage heap.
I'll be good.

842
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,400
Throw me in a garbage barge.
I'll be I'll be fine.

843
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,840
It's really interesting.
Or you see the catacombs in, in

844
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,920
Rome where they're filled with
the bones of Saints and things

845
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,320
like that.
Like that's just wild to me.

846
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,280
That was wild.
You're the second person today

847
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,480
that talked to me about the
catacombs in the Vatican, with

848
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:14,960
Vatican with all the bodies in
it.

849
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,520
Sounds like you got to look it
up.

850
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,360
You got to do this episode on
it.

851
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,560
Yeah, I definitely should.
You know, I'm aware of this.

852
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,760
I've never seen it in person
obviously, but.

853
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:25,880
It's.
Interesting.

854
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,760
It's interesting to me that it's
such a random thing that two

855
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,720
totally separate people would
bring this up to me on the same

856
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:34,840
day.
Well, Skeeter brought it up.

857
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,760
Maybe something's going to go
down, maybe incidences.

858
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,600
His bones are in three different
places.

859
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,160
His bones got stolen from his
original burial place, Skeeter

860
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,040
says.
It's, it's just weird.

861
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,200
It's like.
That's another that's another

862
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,560
thing I always wonder about too.
Right with some of these

863
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,760
artifacts is like, how do we
know?

864
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:54,280
How do we know it's not just
Frank?

865
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,440
You don't know someone knows
whether somebody don't know.

866
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,640
Well, the people who really know
are probably long dead by now,

867
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:04,360
right?
So nobody really knows that's

868
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,040
the problem, right?
Because even if you dig up like

869
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,320
some, you know, because a lot of
these artifacts get dug up in

870
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,720
just random places, right?
They're not necessarily in like

871
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:14,840
tombs and stuff.
It's just like, you know, you

872
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,240
dig under a house somewhere and
it's just like there's your,

873
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,280
there's something there, right?
But you know, it's just that you

874
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:26,120
don't know what grave robbers or
culture came after that found

875
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,680
this cool thing and was like,
you let me throw my bodies in

876
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,720
there, right?
Like, yeah, that's you don't

877
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:35,280
really know that.
That's another problem I have

878
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,160
with a lot of what we consider
history.

879
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,000
And, you know, people, a lot of
people think that there's like

880
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,040
mummies in the pyramids, right?
Like that's just a common

881
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:43,720
thought.
I feel like people think there's

882
00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:46,520
yeah, that they found mummies.
They found, you know, whatever

883
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,840
the pharaoh was at the time.
They found him in the in the

884
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,360
pyramid.
No, bro, No, bro, there was

885
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:51,360
none.
Never.

886
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,400
You really seems like you think
so.

887
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,760
I think so.
No, I don't think there was any

888
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,240
bodies ever recovered out of the
pyramid that were like mummified

889
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:01,840
Pharaohs.
No, I'm sure there might have

890
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,480
been like skeletal remains of
like grave robbers or somebody

891
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,240
got murked in there at some
point, but.

892
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:12,000
They they took they have
biological samples that they

893
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:17,760
took from esophagus.
There's no esophaguses inside.

894
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,600
Mean sarcophaguses.
Sarcophagi.

895
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:22,960
Whatever, but.
That's the problem is that you

896
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:28,840
don't actually know if that
person in the sarcophagus is the

897
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,280
pharaoh or if it was just some
person at the time.

898
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,320
If there was even A and in this
case, I'm talking about what,

899
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:35,680
like the pyramids is this
example.

900
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:40,400
There was no sarcophagus.
Yeah, you're one of the people

901
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,160
that thinks that.
Look it up.

902
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:43,760
So it's.
Just going to look it up.

903
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,800
You have the evidence here.
You have the burden of proof.

904
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,520
You tell us your homework for
you.

905
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,160
No sarcophagy, Jeremy's on it
right now.

906
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,120
I don't have AI, don't have a
key.

907
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,360
You made the claim.
So there were.

908
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,240
Evidence.
There were bodies found, but

909
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:00,880
none of them appear to have been
Pharaohs.

910
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:05,560
Yes, some mummies and other
burial equipment have been found

911
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,600
in pyramids, but not all
pyramids contain bodies.

912
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:13,960
Then, while no complete mummy of
a pharaoh was found, remains of

913
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,680
some were, including organs,
bones and mummified remains.

914
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,240
So there were some remains found
of Pharaohs, but not complete

915
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:25,600
bodies.
Because because structures at

916
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,840
which I believe were built way
before dynastic Egyptians,

917
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:30,960
right?
The dynastic Egyptians

918
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,040
inherited.
These structures, obviously.

919
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:37,280
Whatever it was right so the
dynastic Egyptians inherited

920
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,600
these these buildings and of
course when they're Pharaohs and

921
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:44,200
important peoples died they went
to these magnificent structures

922
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,880
that they had these grand
stories about how they how they

923
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,400
and.
Then they just tore them all

924
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,280
apart and threw all their
visceral everywhere.

925
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:51,680
That's what that that thing
just.

926
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,840
All kinds of who knows man.
I mean, you don't know, like

927
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,120
there was all kinds of crazy
human sacrifice happening back

928
00:51:58,120 --> 00:51:59,600
in the day and like all kinds of
shit.

929
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,240
So who knows how they were
performing their, you know,

930
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,560
mourning rituals when they were
bringing their dead Pharaohs

931
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,040
remains into these massive
structures.

932
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,320
You know, I'm saying the point
is they weren't built as like

933
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,640
tombs for Pharaohs as a lot of
people think.

934
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,120
Skeeter says in the chat DNA
testing was just done over the

935
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,080
past few years, proving they
were all from the same body.

936
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,000
The pyramid is a power plant and
they were from the the first

937
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,960
civilization.
So the pyramid is a power plant.

938
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,560
That's an episode in its own.
We can't go down that rabbit

939
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,920
whore right now.
That is a very interesting

940
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,720
topic.
Maybe we'll cover that.

941
00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:38,840
I like that theory, but I like
the idea that it was more of a

942
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,520
communicate a long range
communication device.

943
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:47,040
I also believe that it was as
well like a very long range

944
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,760
communication device,
intergalactic or.

945
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,760
Something like that, or at least
interstellar.

946
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,800
I I find it extremely
interesting that they're

947
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,440
perfectly aligned with the stars
of Orion's belt.

948
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,880
That's so fucking cool.
And with was it the

949
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:07,520
gravitational or the the true
North, East, southwest of the

950
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,640
Earth?
Only at certain cycles in the in

951
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,680
the Equatorial the equinox,
right?

952
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,960
The wobble of the earth, which
happens what?

953
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,760
What is it every 12,000
something years, whatever the

954
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,880
number is?
Don't quote me on that, but you

955
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:27,240
know, every cycle, every cycle
it lines up with these, you

956
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:29,880
know, stars and all these
alignments and stuff, right.

957
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,400
So The thing is you you could go
back to like roughly the younger

958
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,920
driest period and they kind of
lined up right.

959
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,800
But then the problem is like
there wasn't, it was all, there

960
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,320
wasn't jungle or anything there,
right?

961
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,600
But if you go back to the
previous cycle before that, so

962
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,920
now you're going back like 20-30
thousand years ago, way before

963
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,920
they think there was jungle in
the Sahara, right?

964
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,840
There's all this stuff that
could have potentially like

965
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,720
brought a civilization, a smart
civilization to build these

966
00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:00,760
types of things, right?
So that's my whole thing about

967
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,760
like, yo, these things are way
older man.

968
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,080
Those pyramids, the Sphinx was
probably a lion facing Leo

969
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:11,720
30,000 years ago, right?
And then 12,000 years ago, or

970
00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:14,160
that's interesting, a hunter
gatherers that survived the

971
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,120
younger Dryas, they stumble
across this thing.

972
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:17,840
They know about it forever and
ever and ever.

973
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,800
And then dynastic Egyptians
56000 years ago are like, yo,

974
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,000
let's build shit around here,
man.

975
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,960
Let's make this our home and
like actually make this a a

976
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,480
society here.
Kind of like an aircraft.

977
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,960
Yeah, man.
Kind of a villager settlement

978
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,600
and you build right next to it.
Yeah, yeah.

979
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,400
And then before you know it,
you've got shops.

980
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,160
Stealing pillage.
You've got shops and you got mob

981
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,120
farms and all kinds of stuff.
Yeah.

982
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,200
They're just slaughtering cats,
right?

983
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:44,600
That's right.
Yep.

984
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,200
So what do you guys think of the
the Christmas episode?

985
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,160
I hate Christmas man, it's my
least favorite holiday really.

986
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,200
People are so selfish.
I'm the branch dude.

987
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,080
I I'm not a fan.
I'm not festive with Christmas.

988
00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:59,960
Like I hate the fucking
Christmas music.

989
00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:01,480
You know what it is?
My mom ruined it for me.

990
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,560
She had this Christmas tree when
I was a kid forever.

991
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,680
I hate Christmas music too.
Yeah, she had these little bells

992
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,840
on the tree that would always
like, ring the songs like Jingle

993
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,160
Bells and all these songs.
And she just like, let it ride,

994
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:15,320
man.
And I'd be like, bro.

995
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:16,800
And now I just hate it.
I hate it all.

996
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,240
Bro I hate.
Christmas I hate going to the

997
00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:23,520
stores before Halloween has even
happened and there's Christmas

998
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:29,320
decorations I'm like, I hate the
materialistic sort of thing I

999
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:35,480
hate how frustrated people get
because like the.

1000
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,760
Episode was great.
Yeah.

1001
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:39,040
Thanks, man.
Appreciate it.

1002
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:43,080
Yeah.
It's funny, dude.

1003
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,240
I love Christmas, you guys are
nuts.

1004
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,680
Christmas is wack bro.
I'm way too metal for Christmas,

1005
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,680
bro.
August Burns.

1006
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:54,240
August Burns Red put out a
really good metal album.

1007
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:56,280
I like that one.
You know, Trans-siberian

1008
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,600
Orchestra, like that's cool
stuff, but you know, it's very

1009
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,360
limited.
Yeah.

1010
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,160
I like Christmas dubstep techno.
Nope, I love everything but

1011
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,400
everything about Christmas.
Absolutely everything.

1012
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:11,800
I.
Like being in snow where it

1013
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:16,000
snows, where we can actually
have a white powdery snowy

1014
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,080
Christmas.
That's cool.

1015
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,320
Yeah, even when they say it's
not supposed to be snowing at

1016
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:21,880
all.
Can we talk about that?

1017
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:26,200
Yeah, we can talk about that.
All right, so apparently, well,

1018
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:27,760
it's been snowing here for like
3 days.

1019
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,440
Jeff, you're gonna love this.
It's been snowing here for like

1020
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:35,440
3 days and it wasn't forecasted.
It was snowing all day today.

1021
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,960
It wasn't forecasted.
Apparently there's a factory

1022
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,800
here in Menominee, Wisconsin
that I think.

1023
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:42,880
Glass.
What?

1024
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,560
They pump steam into the air and
that condensates and turns it

1025
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,560
into because it's so cold.
It's like 7° turns into

1026
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:51,760
precipitation and then it snows
on us.

1027
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:57,040
They're literally cloud seeding.
It literally sends snow through

1028
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,120
the entire Chippewa Valley.
And when you look at satellite

1029
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,720
images of the area, you can see
it coming from the smokestacks

1030
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:05,600
of cardinal glass here.
Menominee.

1031
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,200
And from what I understand,
because I have a I have an

1032
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,080
employee that was working with
me today who used to work there.

1033
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,520
I talked to talk to him about it
and he's like, yeah.

1034
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,360
So what they do is they melt
down the glass and sometimes

1035
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,400
some of the moisture from the
glass or, you know, the pellets

1036
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,320
that they get will escape and
it'll goes, it goes out the

1037
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,360
stack and it causes moisture to
be injected into the atmosphere.

1038
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,000
And I'm like, do you think that
the the government is pumping

1039
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,600
chemicals into that stack?
He's like, no.

1040
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:36,240
And I'm like, OK, good.
Well, if it's been snowing for

1041
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:37,760
what, 3 days you said?
Yeah.

1042
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,760
Yeah.
That's a hell of a lot of

1043
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,400
particulate to be going up in
those smoke stacks to be turning

1044
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:46,640
into snow #1 I don't think the
government would be using a

1045
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,480
private smokestack to just like,
inject chemicals.

1046
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:50,880
That's ridiculous.
However, I.

1047
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,200
Mean they they apparently use
private planes for it.

1048
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,880
OK.
Yeah, but not the company.

1049
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,120
You said it's a glass
manufacturer.

1050
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,360
Yeah.
Right, like it's a glass

1051
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:01,880
manufacturer.
The government doesn't have to

1052
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,640
like, just like have this glass
manufacturer facade and do they

1053
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,080
don't have to do that.
They literally have funding to

1054
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,760
just build a fucking building
and be like, yo, let's do cloud

1055
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,720
seeding from this manufacturer.
Like this building that we don't

1056
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,200
have to hide.
Like it's not a it's not a

1057
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,040
fucking cloak and dagger
situation.

1058
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:19,800
It's literally public
information.

1059
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,480
They're doing it right now.
It's not a secret.

1060
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,840
So they don't have to be like,
oh, just use the class company

1061
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:26,120
and we'll fucking do it in the
smoking.

1062
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,200
No, it's not that.
Chair, hold on, I'm going to.

1063
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,240
That's like a straw man argument
for.

1064
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,360
It's like a straw man argument
and and you know.

1065
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,640
This is from
theweathernetwork.com there you

1066
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:40,880
go which I can zoom in on this a
little.

1067
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,200
Bit, but here you see that.
Look look better.

1068
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:48,000
OK, look better.
But right here.

1069
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:53,280
So, Jake, this is if you're
heading north on B like past

1070
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:58,880
past the the like the love
station and stuff.

1071
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:04,160
And then here is US and this is
the plume that it creates right

1072
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:05,440
here.
Look at that thing.

1073
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,840
Yeah that that's a lot more than
just like hey man, one part per

1074
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,680
million that we stand us out
there has got some precipitate,

1075
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,640
you know no, no, no, no, no, no
way to do look it is and if that

1076
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,520
is the case then we'd we're
getting gassed by every fucking

1077
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,440
manufacturing plant.
You know what I mean?

1078
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:25,680
Like through here there's. 510
Seven years of snow from factory

1079
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:27,560
steam.
So here's what you should do,

1080
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,080
here's what you should do to get
to the bottom this find out what

1081
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,800
is right around that area that's
not that factory that's also

1082
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,840
doing stuff right.
And I guarantee you there's

1083
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:41,760
probably a facility.
My factory, the one I worked at.

1084
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:43,920
Yeah.
But there's probably another

1085
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,560
facility somewhere that is
actually doing some sort of, you

1086
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:51,440
know, snowpack augmentation,
cloud seeding with a ground

1087
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,480
based system somewhere in that
area.

1088
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,840
I'm sure like if Whitney goes to
Red Wing Airport tomorrow and

1089
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:03,480
there's snow on the ground, then
there's obviously and it's not

1090
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,720
forecasted and it's snowing,
there's obviously another plant

1091
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,800
that's doing the same thing.
I guess.

1092
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:13,240
Wow, I thought this was all
baloney until it actually

1093
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,040
happened over here and I'm just
like what?

1094
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,320
Isn't it crazy?
Don't eat the snow, it's all

1095
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,120
glass.
It's all glass.

1096
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,960
It's a movie set.
It's all wet paper.

1097
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,240
Yeah.
All right.

1098
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,720
Well, what do you say guys?
Think that's good?

1099
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,400
I think that's good.
Wait, what was your exercise?

1100
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,400
Yeah.
I mean, we kind of moved along

1101
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,040
from that topic, but I guess we
can.

1102
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:40,560
Go back to it.
Come back to it.

1103
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:46,480
So a long, long, long time ago,
CJ and I did an episode on human

1104
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,200
consciousness.
No.

1105
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,360
And OK, well, then never mind
then.

1106
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:55,400
OK, so we were talking about
specifically individual atoms

1107
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,080
with consciousness, right?
I remember Jeff had mentioned

1108
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,440
that, not that he believed it,
but this just that concept was

1109
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,120
brought up.
So the question that I had posed

1110
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,720
in that was a question that was
given to me by one of my college

1111
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,840
professors way back in the day.
He set off this hypothetical

1112
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:15,680
question of human consciousness,
right?

1113
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,680
Let's say I'm going to use Jake
and Jeff for an example, right?

1114
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,120
Jake and Jeff, If I set you guys
in chairs and put you guys

1115
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,600
back-to-back, knocked you guys
out, took out your brains and

1116
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:32,200
swapped them, would Jeff be and
Jake's body and Jake be and

1117
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:33,400
Jeff's body?
Yes.

1118
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:39,880
Jeffrey, OK, so why do you say
no?

1119
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:44,840
Because I don't necessarily
believe that you are just your

1120
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:48,920
physical meat vessel.
Where is your consciousness?

1121
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,960
I believe that it's somewhere
located in.

1122
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:57,200
I would if I had to pinpoint a
specific place.

1123
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,680
I'd probably say maybe the
pineal gland.

1124
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,880
So in the brain.
In the brain, sure.

1125
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:08,000
So if I took your brain out and
put your brain into Jake's

1126
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:13,360
skull, would you see the world
as Jeffrey in Jake's body?

1127
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,080
No, you would.
My brain would be in Jake's

1128
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:16,720
body.
But.

1129
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,960
But your but your pineal gland
would also be in Jake's body.

1130
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:25,240
Yes, but I would be still within
the same structure of my brain,

1131
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:29,000
right?
So like, OK, so you're in your

1132
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:30,480
house.
Are you your house?

1133
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,200
No, but if I go into another
house, my consciousness will go

1134
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,440
into that house.
Yeah, but you are not that

1135
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:36,640
house.
You are still you.

1136
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:38,600
Right.
But we're talking about

1137
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,040
consciousness.
We're not talking.

1138
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,720
About and what I'm saying is
that your consciousness is not

1139
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:46,720
necessarily tied to the meat
vessel that is your is the body.

1140
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,320
Right, that's that's what he's
saying.

1141
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:56,560
So your brain gets transplanted
into a, a, a VAT of liquid.

1142
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,320
You would still be you inside of
that VAT of liquid.

1143
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,720
You would just have less things
to do because you wouldn't be

1144
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:07,200
able to do anything except for
exist and think.

1145
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:09,080
Sure.
OK.

1146
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,280
So yes, I guess if you want to
get technical, maybe it's a

1147
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,560
semantic argument.
Yes.

1148
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:20,680
My brain and and I, my
consciousness would reside now

1149
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,040
inside Jake's body, Yes.
Yes, yeah.

1150
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,360
So like, I would be inside of
Jeff's body.

1151
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,680
My voice might be different, my
physical appearance might be

1152
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,520
different, but I would still be
me.

1153
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,720
The semantics is that it
wouldn't matter.

1154
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,840
Like from a large term
perspective it wouldn't matter

1155
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,840
because I would still be me, but
I would be just look different

1156
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,320
as if I was in if I was in a
horrible fire.

1157
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:45,520
Agreed.
Where I went deaf.

1158
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:50,560
My ears are burned off, my
eardrums were blown out, my

1159
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,120
facial figures were completely
destroyed.

1160
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,640
I look like leather from, you
know, the top to the bottom.

1161
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,760
I would still be me consciously,
though I might have different

1162
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,440
experiences from then on, being
like I couldn't hear, I was deaf

1163
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,920
now, or maybe I didn't have
fingers or hands that worked

1164
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:09,680
right, things like that.
I would still be me.

1165
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,240
I think you guys would think a
little, little too deep, right?

1166
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,240
We're just an imaginary.
You asked everything wrong two

1167
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:16,400
guys about this.
Question.

1168
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:17,960
All right, fine.
Then I'm going to continue,

1169
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:20,920
thinkers, we're going to
continue down this path.

1170
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:24,280
OK?
The next phase of this exercise

1171
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:31,440
is if I did the same thing, but
I did it 1 cell at a time.

1172
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:36,760
So I took one cell out of out of
Jeff's brain and I took a cell

1173
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,920
out of Jake's brain and I
swapped him and I did that

1174
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,320
completely.
At what point would your

1175
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,400
consciousness transfer from your
body to the other?

1176
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,160
Once all of them were completed,
I believe.

1177
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:53,840
So you're saying that 99.9% of
your brain is over in Jake's

1178
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:58,040
body, but that one little
percentage is still in Jeff, but

1179
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:02,760
with 99.9% of Jake's brain,
you're still in Jeff's body?

1180
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,480
Not necessarily it's complicated
because you know, like again,

1181
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,480
this is not your consciousness
is not necessarily tied to the

1182
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,960
meat body and the physical brain
is part of the meat body, right?

1183
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,280
So it's not like if you took
every matter.

1184
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,720
Part.
Particle matter over there?

1185
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,880
Not necessarily.
Let me let me ask you another

1186
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,200
question that goes along with
what you're saying.

1187
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,880
If I cut open the brain, if I
cut open your brain, does your

1188
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,800
consciousness escape?
OK.

1189
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,760
Well, perhaps it depends on how
you do it, right?

1190
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,480
So technically it would be.
Infused into the meat particles

1191
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,560
of the brain.
Like if I if I cut your brain

1192
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:41,840
open right now with like an axe,
like violently for instance,

1193
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,640
yes, your consciousness will
leave your brain.

1194
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,880
I don't, I don't know enough
about the brain and the

1195
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:53,200
different functions of like the
frontal lobe and the all the

1196
01:05:53,200 --> 01:06:01,400
stuff to make an accurate
assumption of at what point your

1197
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:07,120
consciousness or your soul would
transfer into another portion or

1198
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:10,680
you would be into like like you
said, you know, transferring one

1199
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,520
at a time.
I would suddenly then wake up in

1200
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,800
Jeff's body with my
consciousness.

1201
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,760
I don't know enough about the
brain to make an accurate

1202
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,880
assumption of that.
Well, this, this exercise isn't

1203
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:27,720
necessarily to have you give me
a concrete answer, right?

1204
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,760
It's just a, it's an exercise to
get you thinking about

1205
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,280
possibilities, right?
Professor Stevenson, actually,

1206
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,880
he passed away a few years after
I was in his class.

1207
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:41,720
Guy was amazing at making you
use your brain, right?

1208
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:45,080
He was sure absolutely
incredible at it.

1209
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:47,360
Yeah.
And he had these exercises all

1210
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:48,920
the time.
I mean, I can, I can always

1211
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:50,920
bring up a couple of them that
he used to do.

1212
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,640
But this one always stuck with
me because it was one that just

1213
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,600
literally just did not have an
answer.

1214
01:06:56,680 --> 01:07:01,360
And I've spent nights upon night
upon night thinking about, you

1215
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:05,000
know, let's say Jake and I were
sitting back-to-back and a

1216
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:08,840
doctor said, OK, swap the swap 2
cells.

1217
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,040
Jeremy, you still Jeremy.
Jake, you still Jake.

1218
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:11,880
Yep.
OK, good.

1219
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:13,880
Then do it again.
Then ask the same question.

1220
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:15,080
Still Jeremy.
Yep.

1221
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:17,560
OK, good.
Do it again.

1222
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:19,600
Still Jeremy.
Good.

1223
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:24,680
You know, 6,000,000 times down
the road and half my brain is in

1224
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,880
Jake and half my brains in me.
He leans over.

1225
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:29,840
Am I going to be like, yeah,
man, still, Jeremy.

1226
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:33,240
Or am I going to be like, you
know, not be able to speak

1227
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,560
English?
Am I going to speak twice

1228
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,080
because I have half your
consciousness, Half my

1229
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,520
consciousness?
Is it going to come out at the

1230
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,800
same time?
No, see, I think the problem is

1231
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:47,000
that, you know, this is all that
the most people assume that your

1232
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:51,040
consciousness is tied to like
this 3D reality, this realm,

1233
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:53,000
this dimension, however you want
to put it, right?

1234
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,120
I don't think that's the case.
I think your consciousness, your

1235
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:59,560
soul is the same thing really.
And I think that, you know, it's

1236
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:03,280
tied to another plane of
existence, a spiritual realm as

1237
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,800
well as this one.
So like regardless of what you

1238
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:09,360
do with the brain, the body,
anything like that, you know,

1239
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:15,880
the consciousness slash soul is,
you know, it's not tied to this.

1240
01:08:16,359 --> 01:08:18,760
So so.
Hold on a second, Skeeter says

1241
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,800
in the chat.
You'd still be seeing sensing as

1242
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,200
you would.
I disagree, because who knows?

1243
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:26,399
Maybe Jeff is actually
colorblind, or maybe I'm

1244
01:08:26,399 --> 01:08:28,200
actually colorblind and I don't
realize it.

1245
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:35,760
So if we could do a total brain
transplant, then who's to say?

1246
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:40,760
Because it would just be a brain
with, as Jeff says, like a meat

1247
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,479
casing, right?
Well, he would then have my

1248
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:47,279
eyes, my ears, things like that.
You know, it's actually a proven

1249
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:51,200
thing that not every human
beings actually sees the same

1250
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,920
tones of colors, other human
beings.

1251
01:08:54,279 --> 01:08:58,760
So when I see electric blue, and
that's my favorite color, which

1252
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,680
it is, we got to 1st.
Chatter everybody.

1253
01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:05,160
Sorry.
And Paul, welcome, it might be

1254
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,279
another.
Remember White first spring in

1255
01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:09,960
9.393.
Hello.

1256
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,279
Another type of blue.
Yeah, I always found that very

1257
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:15,720
interesting.
Like, what if my red is somebody

1258
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:17,640
else's green?
You know, how how would that

1259
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,439
world look?
And it's just that you guys are

1260
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,439
just so used.
Is this the reason why some

1261
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:23,359
people just don't like certain
colors Right?

1262
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:24,960
Is it because you're seeing my
brown?

1263
01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:29,720
My dad, he didn't know until he
was in his, his like, mid 30s

1264
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:32,760
that he was colorblind.
Yeah, he was a paramedic.

1265
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:34,920
He did all sorts of stuff, like
crazy stuff.

1266
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:39,000
Great career.
And he, my mom tells this story

1267
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,720
fondly because she laughs the
whole time and gets kind of

1268
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,600
frustrated where she's just
like, so he was going around the

1269
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,200
house saying, where's my green
pants?

1270
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,520
And she was like, Russ, you
don't have any green pants.

1271
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,760
He's like, yes, I do.
I wear them all the time.

1272
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:54,440
They're my favorite pants.
And they're green.

1273
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,040
And he finally finds them.
He brings them up to her.

1274
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,800
She's like, see my green pants?
And she's like Russ, those are

1275
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:02,280
blue.
He had no idea he was

1276
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,160
colorblind.
He can't see the color blue.

1277
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:08,080
He sees Gray.
Well, don't they see Gray?

1278
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,160
Doesn't green Gray but
colorblind?

1279
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:13,680
See Gray.
I I don't know, but he saw, he

1280
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:17,600
saw green instead of blue and so
he found out that he was

1281
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:19,480
colorblind.
He wouldn't got checked out and

1282
01:10:19,480 --> 01:10:21,240
sure enough, he's colorblind to
blue.

1283
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:25,440
He can't see it, he sees green.
So yeah, it would be common to

1284
01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:28,600
him.
But for you, if you transplanted

1285
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:32,040
your brain into his body was
seeing with his eyes.

1286
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:36,040
Or maybe color blindness is in
the brain and not the eyes.

1287
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:39,560
Who's to say?
But maybe you would see all of

1288
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:44,160
your blue jeans as green.
Or color blindness is in the

1289
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:46,680
brain and you would see totally
fine and he would get

1290
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:49,560
transplanted to your body and
all of your blue jeans would be

1291
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:53,000
green to him.
Now take that concept and expand

1292
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:57,120
it to like, you know, senses
that we don't even perceive, not

1293
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,000
just like your eyesight and
color, right?

1294
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:01,120
Like your soul and Jeremy
spiritual.

1295
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,200
Well, I mean, even taste.
Jeremy doesn't like mushrooms.

1296
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,480
I love mushrooms.
I like the texture of mushrooms.

1297
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,920
I'd go into his brain and not
like mushrooms, maybe because

1298
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:14,120
his tongue says he doesn't like
mushrooms or because his brain

1299
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,880
says it so, in which case I
would still like mushrooms in

1300
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:20,120
his body or he would be in my
body and hate mushrooms, you

1301
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:22,600
know?
And I think that that's the also

1302
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,800
the case again on like another
level that we just don't

1303
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:28,200
necessarily perceive or fully
understand.

1304
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:33,560
What is preference?
Like extrasensory perceptive

1305
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,760
level of the same kind of thing.
So like your consciousness, like

1306
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:40,440
it needs to be in your body
really in this realm, you know,

1307
01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:42,360
it doesn't really work in
another body.

1308
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,400
It's just not how it work.
You blue screen just like you

1309
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,920
foreign code in a computer, you
just green screen and shut down.

1310
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:51,200
But you know, so that's the
thing, right?

1311
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,360
I don't think it works.
I don't think that the.

1312
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,600
Yeah, I think, I think that the
mysteries of the human mind is

1313
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,560
so incredible.
It's absolutely amazing.

1314
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:07,600
Like what about the meat clump
of that's in our skull makes it

1315
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,920
have consciousness?
Like a lot of people will say,

1316
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:11,120
well it's got electrical
current.

1317
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,360
Psilocybin.
Over hundreds of thousands of

1318
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:14,080
you.
No, I'm just kidding.

1319
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,120
We're about to learn about that.
We're about to learn about that.

1320
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:22,840
Peter says or do you guys or are
you guys saying just the brain?

1321
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:26,160
I hear brain and think eyes and
eardrums because they're

1322
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,600
attached.
I think that just I think the

1323
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:33,080
eyes are just are just viewers,
ears are just hears, noses are

1324
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:35,400
just smellers and tongues are
just tasters.

1325
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:37,280
I think most of it comes from
your brain.

1326
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:42,320
So honestly, if I was to really
think about this, I would say

1327
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:46,920
that if I was transplanted into
Jeff's body, my brain, my

1328
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:49,320
consciousness into Jeff's body
and Jeff's brain and

1329
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,320
consciousness in my body, I
think we'd have the same likes

1330
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:56,320
and dislikes and food
preferences and, and, you know,

1331
01:12:56,320 --> 01:13:00,000
smells and, and color and all
that sort of stuff.

1332
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,240
The way your body's receptors
are working, right?

1333
01:13:02,440 --> 01:13:03,280
Right.
That physical.

1334
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:05,400
Body would be in a different
vessel.

1335
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:07,720
Yeah.
Just like if you would be in a

1336
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,320
robot, I would have the same
taste, touch.

1337
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,800
Yeah.
Now all that sort of colors,

1338
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:17,200
except I would be in a different
body than what I started with,

1339
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:19,120
yeah.
But the body would probably

1340
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:22,040
reject the consciousness like a
like a surgery when you get like

1341
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:25,280
a new heart or liver, you reject
it sometimes you know, like

1342
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:26,480
it's.
Possible to reject?

1343
01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:29,760
It different consciousness.
Now the the question of at what

1344
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:34,920
point cell by cell your
consciousness transmits over.

1345
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:39,240
I would say that it's I wanted
to say it's the entirety of it,

1346
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:43,560
but at the same point, like
yeah, there yeah.

1347
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:47,240
Than people that have survived
suicides by being by being shot

1348
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:49,240
in the head.
Literally a chunk of their

1349
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:51,960
brain.
Is gone in general and a portion

1350
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:54,440
of their brain have been
destroyed and yet they are still

1351
01:13:54,440 --> 01:13:57,800
them.
Although they may be paraplegics

1352
01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:59,800
now, but they're still them.
Yep.

1353
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:04,720
So at what point does the brain
need enough to be transferred

1354
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:08,760
over to still be you in this
process?

1355
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,920
I have no freaking clue.
Isn't that, isn't it crazy?

1356
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:14,680
Isn't that a fucking crazy
fucking?

1357
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,800
Question not not really because
some of the brain is just I

1358
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,480
think it is just for motor
skills.

1359
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,200
No, I know I get.
That you know the idea.

1360
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:25,400
Is like, like, he's like he like
Jeff was saying there, there is

1361
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:28,440
a section of your brain
obviously somewhere where

1362
01:14:28,440 --> 01:14:32,480
consciousness is held, right?
And there's a couple different

1363
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:35,240
theories about where the
specific consciousness is held.

1364
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:38,920
And there's no actual real
scientific proof about where

1365
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:40,880
that is, right?
Because we have never been able

1366
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:44,720
to seclude it and we never have
been able to contain it and, and

1367
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,040
transport it.
You know, it's never, that's

1368
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:50,960
never been a possibility.
But, and, and, and there's also

1369
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:54,960
never been a successful brain
transplant.

1370
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:56,800
Now if you guys want to get
into.

1371
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,800
Some really shit like.
There, there's been brain

1372
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:04,960
transplants and it's had some
absolutely wild outcomes that we

1373
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,960
can talk about one day like we
should.

1374
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:11,240
No, we can't do it right now.
You mean like Young Frankenstein

1375
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:14,640
with the abnormal brain?
I mean, I'm telling you here

1376
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:17,920
now, I have a topic that will
cover.

1377
01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:21,920
It's going to be a Patreon topic
because it's fucking intense.

1378
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,800
But I will try to track down
some good books.

1379
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:28,280
Maybe I could track.
Maybe I can look up what my old

1380
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:29,720
I.
Had a Really.

1381
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:32,480
Awesome psychology.
Psychology Book.

1382
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,480
I think what people get hung up
on when it comes to the brain is

1383
01:15:35,480 --> 01:15:40,480
this ancient idea that we only
use 10% of our brains.

1384
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,440
But that was before we had
actual brain scans where you

1385
01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:46,160
could see people tasting
something and a portion of their

1386
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:49,120
brain lighting up.
Yeah, not something portion of

1387
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:52,080
their brain lights up and it
encompasses the entire thing.

1388
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,520
We don't use the 100% of the
thing at the exact same time

1389
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:59,240
because part of it's for smell
and taste and vision and motor

1390
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:03,600
senses and thinking and
irrationalizing and dreaming and

1391
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,400
all this sort of stuff, right?
It's just like same thing where

1392
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:09,200
you could get a frontal lobotomy
and then you're just, you know,

1393
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,920
you're just laying in a chair
like this, but you're still

1394
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:13,880
thinking and still processing,
right?

1395
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:19,120
So it's like your brain is using
100% of its capability, but in

1396
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,960
different portions at different
time because each part of your

1397
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:25,800
brain is, is, is being
stimulated by other things,

1398
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:27,000
right?
Sort of stuff.

1399
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,360
I don't think that it's like
we're not.

1400
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:32,680
So.
He loves that movie, Young

1401
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:36,280
Frankenstein.
So when I was back in either

1402
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:39,760
anatomy or psychology, I can't
remember which one, we learned

1403
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:44,360
about the different theories of
where consciousness originates

1404
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:46,800
from.
And obviously the most common is

1405
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:49,480
from the brain.
But there is this hypothesis

1406
01:16:49,480 --> 01:16:52,440
called the cardiocentric
hypothesis I believe it was

1407
01:16:52,440 --> 01:16:56,440
called where you believe that
the primary location for human

1408
01:16:56,440 --> 01:17:01,080
consciousness is in the heart.
And although there are no solid

1409
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:05,360
numbers to back up this
information is believe that 15%

1410
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,840
of the population believe that
the consciousness comes from the

1411
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,920
heart and not from the brain.
Although when you change the,

1412
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:15,760
the pool of people being
questioned, it then almost comes

1413
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:20,080
to almost a complete 100% when
you move into the scientific

1414
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:22,200
community.
Now, if you apply that same

1415
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:26,560
thing, right, and you ask
people, hey, why do you believe

1416
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:30,080
that It comes from your brain?
A lot of people will say, well,

1417
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,520
that's because that's where I
perceive the world from.

1418
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:36,000
That is the cockpit in which my
soul and my consciousness will

1419
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,360
drive this vessel into the
world, right?

1420
01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:41,920
But then people will take the
exact same inputs, all of the

1421
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:45,280
things that they, they view this
world, they feel this world,

1422
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:47,520
they taste it, hear it, smell
it, whatever.

1423
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:51,120
But then they'll look at it and
they'll say things and, you

1424
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:54,160
know, this isn't a shot to flat
earthers, but they'll say, Oh,

1425
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:58,680
well, I perceive everything as
it as it being flat.

1426
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:02,360
But yeah, all of my inputs, all
of the information that's being

1427
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:05,080
given to me by the scientific
community says that it's round.

1428
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,920
Now, I know that that that's not
a direct argument for the

1429
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,360
concept of Flat Earth.
Jeff, don't go crazy.

1430
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,120
Trust me.
I know there's a lot outside of

1431
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:14,800
this.
I'm just using it as an example,

1432
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,680
right where, you know, you'll go
to some people and you'll say,

1433
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:20,600
hey, does this candy taste sweet
or does it taste sour?

1434
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:23,400
Some people will say sour, some
people will say sweet, right.

1435
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:28,160
So it's it really has to come
down to your, the way that your,

1436
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:31,480
your consciousness perceives the
input of information that is

1437
01:18:31,480 --> 01:18:34,880
being given to it.
I want to say something.

1438
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:38,320
Yeah.
So I think that the amount of

1439
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:40,360
people that think that
consciousness comes from the

1440
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:45,120
heart comes from a religious
background in Christianity,

1441
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:50,600
because there's this belief that
you have to where you have to.

1442
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,600
The saying is you have to just
says I stand at the door and

1443
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,160
knock, right?
And you have to accept Jesus

1444
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:59,800
into your heart, your heart
being, your being or your

1445
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:03,520
consciousness.
Jesus says you have to repent of

1446
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,280
your sins and believe in me.
But this whole thing of like

1447
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:10,320
asking Jesus into your heart
would spawn people to believe

1448
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:13,200
their consciousness is in their
hearts until they get a full

1449
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:16,000
heart transplant and their
consciousness doesn't leave

1450
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:17,720
their body.
They wake up from a full heart

1451
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:19,280
transplant and they're still
there.

1452
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,280
So obviously your consciousness
isn't in your heart because it's

1453
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,200
just a muscle.
It's like saying your buttocks

1454
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:26,720
is your consciousness.
It's a muscle.

1455
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:31,880
It's a muscle that pumps, and it
pumps blood, which granted, if

1456
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:34,600
you get shot in the heart,
you're not going to live in the

1457
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,560
same way you get shot in so much
of your brain, you're not going

1458
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:41,040
to live either.
But it doesn't mean that your

1459
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,520
heart is your consciousness
because you could get shot in

1460
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:48,880
the thigh in your femoral artery
and bleed to death and die.

1461
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:51,040
That doesn't mean your
consciousness is in your thigh.

1462
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:54,600
But I believe it comes from a
religious background of the

1463
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:57,040
accepting Jesus into your heart,
right?

1464
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:01,520
The heart in this is a metaphor
for you, right?

1465
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:04,960
It's vital to your survival, but
it's you.

1466
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:07,880
What is you?
You is your soul or your

1467
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,640
consciousness, which is not in
your heart.

1468
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:13,720
Because if your heart gets
transplanted with a pig's heart,

1469
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:16,360
because they can be actually,
they're so.

1470
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:18,920
I guess genetically similar,
they could be donated.

1471
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,800
You could donate parts from a
pig into your body.

1472
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:24,360
That doesn't suddenly make you a
pig.

1473
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,480
Now it means that you're a human
being with your own

1474
01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:27,880
consciousness, with a pig's
heart.

1475
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:36,000
So it's not.
So I think that's a a miss or a

1476
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:40,880
unscientific belief by people
that are religious because

1477
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,440
that's what they've heard.
So that's what they believe.

1478
01:20:43,480 --> 01:20:46,360
Whereas if you sat them down or
you showed someone with a full

1479
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:50,720
heart transplant or if they go,
they would then stop believing

1480
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,040
that because then their heart is
somewhere else.

1481
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:55,280
Their heart's gone, right?
They had heart disease.

1482
01:20:55,440 --> 01:21:00,040
The heart's in a, you know, in a
bin somewhere for a human

1483
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:02,960
remains and they have someone
else's heart inside of them.

1484
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:07,360
They're not suddenly that
person, you know, So I think

1485
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:11,720
that that would be a, a good way
of kind of breaking that down.

1486
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:16,000
I think that's a.
Simple similar argument to those

1487
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,880
people that say the difference
between a brain, you know, the

1488
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:25,520
Gray matter of a brain and the
thigh tissue of like a cow

1489
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:29,640
that's in the supermarket, is
that the brain has electrical

1490
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:32,640
signals, our electrical signals
signals, right?

1491
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,000
Through it, thigh has biological
signals.

1492
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:37,600
Right.
But that's that's really.

1493
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:40,160
No, for real.
Like when I when I went in to

1494
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:43,600
get my carpal tunnel thing.
Well, no, I took a needle.

1495
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:44,720
They.
Have them, yeah.

1496
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:47,760
He took a needle that was like
the width of a hair that I could

1497
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,320
barely see even when I zoom in
on the video because I took a

1498
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:51,480
video.
It was wild.

1499
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:54,320
And he stuck it into my hand.
He stuck in right here and he

1500
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,600
had me flex my hand and I could
hear the electrical signals

1501
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:00,240
going through my muscles.
He did in my forearms.

1502
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:03,120
He did in my shoulder and my
chest, my biceps, my triceps,

1503
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:07,400
all that sort of stuff, my traps
to see where the, the lock up

1504
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:11,360
was essentially where the nerves
were kind of deadened or hyper,

1505
01:22:12,440 --> 01:22:14,560
you know, hyperactive, I
suppose.

1506
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:19,680
But you could I, I literally was
hearing the electrical signals

1507
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,000
pulsing through my muscles on
the monitor.

1508
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:25,560
And I took a video of it.
Like it's amazing the human

1509
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:28,200
body.
But to say that that's not the

1510
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:30,520
same thing that's going on the
brain is, is ridiculous.

1511
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:33,160
The only thing that's different
between electrical signals going

1512
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:35,840
through your muscles and the
signals going through your brain

1513
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:38,600
is that's neurons firing off.
Yes.

1514
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:40,880
Right.
So it's a completely different

1515
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,120
setup, although it's the same
sort of thing.

1516
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:47,160
So we are in fact energy, but
it's specific type of energy

1517
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:51,920
going through our bodies.
Yeah, it's incredible to think

1518
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:55,720
neurons.
Are your, your informational

1519
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:59,600
signal transporters or the
exchangers of information you

1520
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,400
buy electrical signals in your
brains Gray matter?

1521
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:06,760
It's it's just it's a very
interesting topic to me.

1522
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:09,760
That's why I have a whole
section back here in my in my

1523
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:15,000
library on just psych mysteries
like split brain thing and Deja

1524
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:19,440
vu and all kinds of other things
that we eventually get into that

1525
01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:23,000
I'm not going to say because we
haven't done it yet.

1526
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,040
But yeah, I don't know, man,
it's interesting.

1527
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:27,600
I just.
I mean, we could go so far with

1528
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,880
this.
We could say, like if my brain

1529
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:34,880
was transplanted into a person
who's a quadriplegic, would I be

1530
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:38,400
able to function that body?
No, because your physical body.

1531
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:42,040
Can't, because the electrical
signals from your brain stem to

1532
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:48,040
your, your, your spine has been
cut off and it's a physical

1533
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:49,560
thing.
It's a physical blockage.

1534
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:53,000
It's like a open in a circuit
compared to, you know, something

1535
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,480
that's just.
Yeah, unless it was

1536
01:23:55,480 --> 01:23:57,720
neurological, right?
There's so many factors.

1537
01:23:58,040 --> 01:23:59,160
Well, that's what I was gonna
say.

1538
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:01,000
Yeah, yeah.
Unless it's like a brain thing,

1539
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:01,640
right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1540
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:05,400
Like we're talking about senses
and tastes and and preferences

1541
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:07,760
and things like that.
How much of that preferences is

1542
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:11,280
just like your tongue is
actually malfunctioning to say

1543
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:17,640
that this savory thing tastes
gross versus your brain telling

1544
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:20,560
you that I don't like this
because this is my preference,

1545
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:22,240
right?
Like at one point I would have

1546
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:25,680
said that mushrooms were
disgusting, But then I grew up

1547
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,520
and, and onions too.
And I grew up and I, I love

1548
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,360
mushrooms and onions and I put
them on my venison tonight,

1549
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,680
right?
But so I could say that was

1550
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:38,640
probably my brain, but at what
point do you find out that

1551
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:41,680
that's your tongue?
That's just like, maybe you're

1552
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:45,360
lacking one of those five
sensory taste buds that taste

1553
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:47,120
savory.
Instead you're saying it tastes

1554
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:49,320
sour, right?
Or something like that.

1555
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:54,680
Like, unless it's a neurological
thing, how do we actually know?

1556
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:57,440
So I mean, you could transport,
transplant my brain into a

1557
01:24:57,440 --> 01:25:01,720
quadriplegic and my whole brain
that functions perfectly fine as

1558
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:06,160
far as I know, would be able to
function in that body and walk

1559
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:07,960
and and move my arms and things
like that.

1560
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:10,720
Versus the person whose brain is
transplanted in mind would still

1561
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:13,520
be a quadriplegic.
I think this is really what

1562
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:17,560
separates somebody who is like
atheists or maybe agnostic

1563
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:21,400
versus somebody who has any type
of spiritual belief.

1564
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:25,800
Well, this is a lot of a lot of
the reason why I believe that

1565
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:28,160
there is something.
I think you could just distill

1566
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:30,360
it down to that basically is
what it comes down to.

1567
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:35,800
It's like who are you, right?
Do you believe that you are just

1568
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:39,840
matter compile, like cells and
matter compiled and neuron

1569
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,400
pathways and that's you?
Or do you believe that you are

1570
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:46,600
something else, something great,
or some kind of soul or

1571
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:48,440
consciousness or whatever you
want to put on it?

1572
01:25:48,440 --> 01:25:50,080
I think it goes deeper than
that.

1573
01:25:50,440 --> 01:25:55,440
It's, I think it, I believe that
it's more so of I want to be

1574
01:25:55,440 --> 01:26:01,000
myself and have no one higher
than myself to make my own

1575
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:03,920
decisions and there's no one
that's going to judge me in the

1576
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:05,640
end.
There's some people that are

1577
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:10,440
like that, I believe, Jeff, but
I've met more people that are so

1578
01:26:10,440 --> 01:26:14,600
rebellious that they're like, I
don't want to believe in a God

1579
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:18,160
because I want to be in control
of me.

1580
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:22,600
I am the highest being.
There's no one above me besides

1581
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:26,200
like law enforcement or the
president or something like

1582
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:29,920
that, or depending on where
you're at, the emperor or the

1583
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:35,280
king or the queen, whoever.
But as far as me goes and my

1584
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:39,440
ability to choose my own path, I
don't want anyone above me.

1585
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:44,240
And it's not at that point, it's
not a notion of whether or not

1586
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:47,960
someone is bigger than you or
something is bigger than you.

1587
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:52,360
It's that you're so rebellious
that you don't want there to be,

1588
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:55,160
so you're going to refuse to
believe it regardless of what

1589
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:59,320
the evidence is.
If Jesus revealed himself, well,

1590
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:02,520
he already did and you still
don't believe it so.

1591
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:07,400
We should have saved this for
like a conversation episode, you

1592
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:08,360
know?
This is a whole.

1593
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:10,680
Episode He.
Has to reveal himself every

1594
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:15,280
every year on, you know, Easter
to show the new people though.

1595
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,160
Hey, I'm here.
No, he already did.

1596
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:18,640
And there's plenty of historical
evidence.

1597
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:20,560
But you refuse to believe
because you don't want to

1598
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:23,920
believe, because you want to be
the highest thing in your realm,

1599
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:26,400
right?
The problem is, is if it happens

1600
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:29,240
now, it's just a it's a deep
fake or a cheap fake as they say

1601
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:30,240
now, no.
One's going to believe it

1602
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:32,200
anyway.
That's the point.

1603
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:35,040
It's AI.
It's baloney, you know?

1604
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:38,000
Yeah.
Right, all right, I'm getting

1605
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:41,400
yelled at.
Okay, it is time for us to

1606
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:43,040
retire this episode.
Yeah.

1607
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:44,120
Bye.
Yeah.

1608
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:44,800
Whoa, whoa.
We're.

1609
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:47,000
Done.
Bye.

1610
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:48,800
We've fought enough.
We're over it.

1611
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:53,080
We didn't fight, fought anyways.
Jeff, you and I are gonna fight.

1612
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:56,320
We're gonna go in a boxing ring,
so I'm probably going to lose,

1613
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:57,560
but I'll do it for my country,
Dang it.

1614
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:00,000
We literally agree on like most
things.

1615
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:01,880
Yeah, I know.
Yeah, but not one thing.

1616
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:04,280
Fundamental thing.
The thing that's going to make

1617
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:06,200
us fight Jeff.
Yeah.

1618
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:09,320
I'm going to shave all my beards
so you can't grab this thing and

1619
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:12,720
I'm going to fight you.
Good thing I'm nearsighted.

1620
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:14,760
I don't have to wear my glasses
to fight someone.

1621
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:17,480
Well, that has been another
episode of the Infinite Rabbit

1622
01:28:17,480 --> 01:28:20,560
Hole podcast.
I hope you enjoyed the Christmas

1623
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:24,240
special this year where it was
half Christmas half.

1624
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:27,200
Argue.
Whatever that was.

1625
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:29,760
We got a lot coming up,
everybody, a lot.

1626
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:35,520
Remember, hang tight for some,
for some news coming very, very

1627
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:38,720
soon, hopefully this week.
All right, until next time,

1628
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:41,000
travelers.
We'll see you in the next fork

1629
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:44,400
in the path of the Infinite
Rabbit Hole, everybody.

1630
01:28:44,440 --> 01:28:51,480
Damn right.
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1631
01:28:51,480 --> 01:28:53,640
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1632
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:55,920
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1633
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1636
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1639
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1640
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:19,640
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