227. Why Are Humans so different than Everything else on Earth?

0:38 Anyways, so you got anything on your mind today? Nothing in particular. What did we say we were going to talk about this week? I remember at the end of the show last week, we're like. Oh no, I know. I know exactly what we said we were going to talk about, but something has completely engulfed my thoughts. What at this week? No, no, no. Oh, OK. No, no, I I can't. I can't deal with that brain rot right now, man. That's just too much. I have too much. That's a no. This is so most likely going to be given up on the Patreon, right?

1:26 Just Full disclosure, Can't, I can't do it. Right now what? Is it just the time or something or what? No, man, I mean, I'm just, I put a ton of effort into it, man. I do. And just not getting the bites that I'm looking for, right? Well, you're looking for instant gratification row. You got to. It takes time. No, I mean, I, I get it, I get it right. But I would much rather put the effort into the archives project then into the Patreon project where I can put out a season's worth of content, you know, 10 episodes back-to-back to back week after week, take a few months off, throw 10 more episodes out there, you know, back-to-back to back-to-back.

2:17 Throw it out there, right. Instead of doing the Patreon thing. I just, I just feel like I'm, I'm throwing it out there for, for nobody to listen to that. That's the, that's a tough thing, right? We got Skeeter and and kid who who listened to it and, you know, thank you to them for, for subscribing. But I put a lot of time and effort into it. And when we did the, the solo documentaries here on Infinite Rabbit Hole, lot of people listen to it and I got a lot of good feedback and I appreciate that. And it was worth the time and effort that I put into it for it. I'm missing out on that. I'm missing that that itch that I'm getting from it. I want that feedback right? Because the topic that I'm I'm about to jump into is actually the very first topic that I've ever redid. So I'm going to revisit a topic that I did for prior, not remaster.

3:20 This isn't an injured cold thing where I just take the same script and do it fancier, right with new music, cleaner audio, right? This is I'm completely redoing it. When I, when I originally did it, it was, hey, I could, I could do a lot more here, but for the sake of putting this into one episode, I had to cut this down. Now, I'm not restricting myself at all and I'm bringing a ton of evidence for this and it has completely engulfed all of my attention.

4:03 It's crazy. And I want to talk about it. I want to talk about it so bad, and I know you never listen to the episode. I know you haven't. I know you haven't. I if it makes you feel any better, bro, I don't really listen to any podcasts anymore. I used to listen to podcasts all the time, including ours, but I used to listen to myself. I used to listen to shadow band, like, you know, I, I don't even listen to podcasts anymore, bro. It, it's a phase thing, bro. Right now I'm in like a more of a music phase. I've been listening to old, you know, metal core from like the early 2000s. I've just been like, that's what I do when I'm in the car. I'm just singing Bull of my Valentine shit.

4:44 Aw, good stuff. I love Bullet from my Valentine. I love it. Skeeters, Skeeters yelling for hints. Skeeter, I'm not even going to give you guys hints. I'm just going to give you the topic, right, But I'm going to be honest with you. I think you guys are going to be upset about it, but it is a topic that ever since I looked into it for the first time, I have been unable to peel myself away from it. It's been a topic that I just can't stop thinking about. Spit it out already. I just can't. Can't stop fucking thinking about it, man, I can't. The aquatic ape theory. I can't stop.

5:25 I can't stop thinking about it, man I can't. I've never. Heard. That did Did she just say she never heard of it? No, she said. She thought it was going to be something that she never heard of. Oh man. Literally the opposite one. I love it. I love the aquatic ape theory. I fucking love it, right. So instead of instead of taking on the topic of the aquatic ape theory head on today, I want to ask you a question all. Right. Where did humans come from? Now I know, I know the scientific answer, I know the religious answer, right?

6:05 Give me the conspiracy answer. What is What is Jeffrey tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist Guy Fernandez think when it comes to the origin of the human race? Where did we come from, my friend? So this is a deep one for me. And to be honest with you, I don't know and I'm not even tied to a particular theory personally. This is one of those things where it's like, ask me tomorrow, it'll probably be a different answer, right? Oh my gosh, I know, right? But stupid. You know what I mean, honestly. But the one of the ones that I've always kind of, it was always in the, you know, the back of my mind is like, let's just broad term it ancient astronaut theory, right? Yeah.

6:48 The idea that whether it's beings from space or beings from underground or maybe even interdimensional or spiritual beings, I don't know, like something came here I think at some point and like tampered with the DNA of existing hominids and it created us, right? And it's probably other shit that went on there. As well, But that's just the basic man. I used to think that right. I used to think that went, but before I started infinite rabbit hole and I really dove into the aquatic ape theory or the aquatic ape hypothesis as it's, you know, professionally referred to, I used.

7:29 The more says all humans come from women. That's true. He's not. Oh, yeah, brother. He's not wrong. He's not wrong. That's the most correct answer we've got. Where is that? I should. I should. You guys made it Oh, I got a progressive ad on our twitch right now. This is how you. Know you made it we got commercials oh do we got commercials commercials oh man does that mean we're getting paid now check out like that's. Weird fraction of a penny per view or something? Oh, that's cool. Disney plus. Oh well, anyways, back, back to the, the conversation prior to doing the aquatic ape hypothesis and prior, you know, this is back like 1520 years ago, Jeremy, I used to have these conversations like I'm on the boat and stuff, thinking about, you know, the possibility of, of what could potentially be the origin of human beings.

8:29 And man, I used to love the idea of, you know, like grey aliens, the Reticulans coming down and breeding with, with monkeys or and apes and stuff. And like you look at our, our skin, right, We're fleshy. We're not hairy for the most part, right? We're we're semi hairy sort of, but we're fleshy. And you look at us compared to all of our ape cousins, our brethren, right? We look different. But if you look at the Gray aliens, which are completely supposedly hairless, and you put them together, right? You take a take a Gray alien, you take a, I don't know, like a gorilla or something, right?

9:10 Or like a Australopithecus or Denisovan something, some ancient ape and you breed them together. What would the hybrid look like? Fuck, I mean, it probably look like us. Be honest with you, right? Yeah, that's not so much what I think about when I think about ancient astronauts or, or, you know, tampering with us in that way, as much as I think that it might be more so that something else, not even the Grays, probably something else came and just tweaked the DNA, right. Like I remember seeing all this shit about like the, I forget exactly, but like there's like a part of the DNA strand that looks like it's been fused or something, you know, I'm talking about.

9:53 And so, you know, the one of the things that really got me into conspiracy world back in the day was like the whole Zacharias Sitchin Anunnaki stories, right? That the Anunnaki came and created humans to be a slave race to mine gold so that they could spray the gold in their atmosphere to fucking help their planet. And they come back every 26,000 years and that kind of thing. And they were giants. Like that whole thing was one of the big catalysts for me to like get into conspiracy world that and like 911 and a few other things. But so that's what I think. I don't think it was necessarily like breeding. I don't think it was like Grey's game and breed with Prime and or anything like that. I think it was more like some hot, even higher beings came, right.

10:40 And some people will take that and say, hey, that yeah, you're talking about like, you know, spiritual beings or something. Could be the case. I don't know. But that's where my mind goes. See, I used to, I used to run wild with this idea, man. We used to have some really fun conversations when I when deployed on the ship and stuff, just talking about this weird, weird shit. Just coming up with just some of the most out of left field craziness and some of the ideas that people have thought about in their lives. You know, if you just get somebody to just get comfortable talking to you, you'd be surprised with what people have come up with and just in their boredom. It's it's awesome or what they'll regurgitate from conversations past.

11:32 But moving on, there's I, I, I don't know. I do know, I do know what it is about the aquatic ape hypothesis that really has me entangled in it. It's that I, I think that there's a, a really good possibility that, that it could be true. I really do. And we don't have nearly enough time tonight to, to dive into every single detail of it, but we could talk about a few of them. But what I really want to do right is because I've, I have already talked about it before I've put this episode out, people have heard it. They haven't heard it in the depth that I'm about to release come August on the Patreon.

12:29 But they have heard it right. They know they know the the major talking points behind it. Why if it is the case, if we did come from a semi aquatic lifestyle and we evolved, you know a lot of our characteristics that we have now, our fleshy skin, our subdermis fat, right? We have we have fat layer right underneath our skin, which is unique to a lot of aquatic and semi aquatic creatures.

13:11 Why is it a secret? Why do they want to keep that information from us? Why is it that mainstream science wants to push the Savannah hypothesis? Why is it so important that they want us to learn that we came out of the trees into the most dangerous of territories, the African Savannah, that prehistoric African Savannah into a world full of quadrupedal predators that run faster than us, that have better balance than us, that are better equipped to deal with the dangers of the African sun and the the harsh weather thermal regulation from their fur panting. Yes, we sweat, but we also lose a ton of electrolytes and we we lose water very, very fast compared to all other creatures. Why is it that they push this narrative onto US and want to push us away from the idea that we could have we could be semi aquatic creatures or that we could have evolved from semi aquatic creatures?

14:31 So without getting into the specifics of the aquatic creatures part, my argument or my answer to that I guess would just be that they would, regardless of what the origin story is or the the truth of our origination is, or whatever the fucking word I'm looking for is, whether it's aquatic ape or Anunnaki or you know, God or whatever it is. My argument is that they just don't want us to know the truth about ourselves regardless of what the truth is, right? Because it's easy for them to control our minds if, if we think that we have evolved from wherever they decide to tell us and that we are currently at the pinnacle of human civilization.

15:15 I think that that is like the big box that they put us in. You know, I don't know much about the aquatic ape theory, to be honest with you. We could definitely get into it. But that that's just my, my initial reaction to what you just asked. Like why, why would they hide this from us? Well, they would hide any truth of our creation from us, you know. I'm telling you, man, it's, I mean, I get, I get awed by a lot of topics, right? But there's not a lot of topics that literally grabbed me and, and they're just like, hey, man, you need to, to put your attention on this. There's only been 33 topics really that have just grasped my attention and refused to let go. So give me, give me like the brief, like one minute, just like super zoomed out version of the aquatic like, 'cause when you say this, my, my thought is like, what what do we evolved from some apes that live under the fucking ocean? Like what are you saying here?

16:15 So the the in a nutshell, right? Without going into the scientific evidence of it. Yeah, just give me the. Just just to give you the the right, in a span of 15,000,000 years, OK, we have solid fossil evidence of quadrupedal apes or monkeys from around 11,000,000 years ago. And then we also have a large gap known as the fossil record black hole of about 6,000,000 years, 4 to 6,000,000 years.

16:58 And then right around the four to five million years ago, right when Lucy was found, Lucy, the Australopithecus, we have a absolute plethora of different species of bipedal apes that are found. So we have a gap of about four to five million years or so, maybe even more, where there's absolutely very minimal fossil record of any ape activity whatsoever. So when when people are referring to the missing link, they're talking about that that fossil record black hole, right? So somewhere in that time frame, apes went from quadrupedal to being able to walk bipedally.

18:01 Now not necessarily being able to fully walk bipedally, but having the option to right. So there there is. As of as of right now, there's only one mammal in the world that walks by Pele full time. Not part time, not most of the time, full time. And that's humans. OK. There's also over 6400 mammal species on this planet that we know of. Out of those, there's only four families with a total of about nine major groups within those families that are completely hairless. And that includes I'm going to miss a few here, right whales, dolphins, elephants, rhinos, hippos, pigs, mole rats and humans.

19:10 Now out of those most of those are either aquatic, semi aquatic, or we have fossil records proven that they they evolved from semi aquatic or aquatic animals. Now I I do want to stress that the aquatic ape hypothesis was incorrectly named OK. It should have been named the semi aquatic ape hypothesis because at no point does it ever state that they believe that we were like mermaids where we just swim around with whales, dolphins.

19:59 So, so hold on real quick. So this this theory basically relies on some belief or some level of belief in evolution. Yes, absolutely. OK, so that is that's going to, I'm going to set my disbelief of evolution aside for the sake of this conversation, But I just want to say upfront, I I'm, I'm kind of with the more here on the comment that he wrote, you know, I don't necessarily believe in evolution as we've been taught, so but I'm going to set that aside so. So we should we should talk about that too, just just for a a brief second, because we've also talked about evolution here on the show. And you know, I don't like talking against others beliefs, right?

20:50 It's just something I'm not comfortable doing very often. But I know that, you know, from from your point of view, you don't like to look at this this planet and think of it as millions of billions of years old, right? That's not something that that you believe is a thing. Now, Jake also is on that same wavelength, but he's actually on a much smaller wavelength where he believes that that the time frame of of the existence of Earth is much less than that. So when when using Jake as the example, when he hears evolution, he doesn't look at evolution as taking millions of years to process. He looks at it as something that's quicker and faster to happen.

21:45 Now another thing to that, you have to understand that evolution doesn't happen to the full body at at a time. It happens to individual parts of the body. It doesn't happen to multiple thing, multiple parts of the body at a time. There's actually a process called. Hold on. And while you look that up, I just want to clarify, I, I don't, I do kind of believe that the earth is super old, right? Whether you want to throw millions or billions of years as the number, fine, OK, Like I'm OK with that part. The part that I don't necessarily agree with his evolution in that time, right? I'm, I'm more of the belief that, you know, all of the beings that are here were created here. Now someday.

22:36 This is one of those things where it's like, ask me on any day. And it's different, right? But like some days it's like, hey, we were literally created by some spiritual entity, God or whatever. OK. And then other days I, I feel that it might just be like on some Anunnaki ancient astronaut level where like this is just a giant lab experiment where like we were literally and all the beings were literally put here as like whether it's a terraforming experiment or something like that. I just don't believe that there's really any evidence to say that Hey, man, like fucking chickens evolved from dinosaurs, right? Or like you take your pick of the thing. And there's a lot of reasons for that. Carbon dating is faulty, right? Like Creamer was just talking last night on the podcast that they found a fossilized cowboy boot in the bottom of a river, right?

23:24 How did the fuck does that fossil get created in such a short period of time, right? So it's like there's problems with the dating and the times. And like, this seems to me like there's a lot of inference when they're like, hey, man, like this skull, you know, it kind of resembles this goal, but it must have evolved into this thing. Like, that's where I have the problem could be that the Earth is 4 billion years old. I I I tend to think more like it's probably fucking infinitely old, if that makes sense. All right, so the current belief of evolution is called the Mosaic evolution concept. Mosaic evolution is a concept of evolution that doesn't describe evolution happening in a linear pattern, but rather the process of evolutionary changes taking place in somebody, parts, or systems without changes in others happening at the same time, or even in other similar taxonomical family members, ultimately creating possible branches in evolutionary trees.

24:26 This model also highlights macroevolution over the idea of microevolution as a belief that evolution favors focusing on a singular, smaller change over long periods of time, rather than a larger sweeping change to the species over shorter periods of time. This would have been represented in Darwin's finches. Each different Finch that was discovered by Darwin was fairly similar in their most basic of anatomy, but differed in the songs they sang, their plumage, the patterns of their eggs, and their general morphology which included their beaks. Each beak was seemingly shaped to properly support the animals gathering of its favorite food on the islands, such as one of the finches having a long thin beak documented eating from a conical shaped flower.

25:17 So it's a, it's so the, the concept of evolution, right? The, The thing is, is, is that I, I think that a lot of people get caught up in the term evolution, right? It's a term that turns a lot of people off and that, you know, I don't, I don't know what, what it, what it is about the term that turns people off. Maybe it's Pokémon. Maybe people are like, no, fuck that. I don't like that term. I need to hear the term adaption more because it sounds better and more adult.

26:02 You know, I don't know what it is, but you know, The thing is, is, is that the environments that we that we grow up in, when we see this kind of every day, we also see this in, in farm animals in a much, much quicker aspect, right? We also see this in breeding dogs and cats. I mean, we see this happen on a much faster scale. We do this to the animals like your, your Kitty cat right there, right? That cat was originally an African. I can't remember field cat or whatever they were originally originally bred from, right?

26:48 But somewhere, somewhere down the line. Is it just a version of adaptation though? But what's the difference between adaptation and evolution? I think the the biggest hold up for like me personally is like, you know, if we take it all the way back, like how do you go from a single celled Organism to a multicellular Organism? All right? How do you go from fish deciding to like crawl up on land? Like there's no. It just doesn't make sense to me, I guess. Well I mean dolphins have a lot of bio markers in their skeletal structure showing that they had legs at one point. See, when we get into that, you know that that's kind of where I feel like there was manipulation, right? I feel like experimentation was probably more likely, right? Because to me, that makes a little bit more sense. Like something, something else.

27:49 Or maybe it was us. Maybe we are the thing, right? That's always a possibility to. Maybe it wasn't like the Anunnaki came and created us. Maybe we came here and we tampered with the environment and created all these experiments and just over time we've just kind of, I don't know what the word is, you know, like at least our, our knowledge of ourselves is just declined, right? We've just been here long enough, fucking with the environment, long enough that we just forget all that, you know? Well, here's the thing, right? Is that there is something strange that happens right. I'm, I'm trying to keep up with with the the comments. I'm not a really good multidasker. I don't know if anybody's caught on to that yet, but the Moors been saying a few things and a question that he stated was a single cell has chosen to turn into all the life we see. Then Skeeter follows up with sperm and egg single cells that evolve into something.

28:59 Now this also brought brought up a really interesting topic. You ever heard of the zinc flash? I don't think so. Or zinc Spark. I got to bring up a video of this. This is really freaking cool. Got to show you this. This is freaking cool. So let me let me bring this up. Well, and just to like respond to Skeeter's question comment here, sperm and eggs, single cells that evolve into something. No, they don't evolve into something. I wouldn't say. I'd say that they combine and and create something new, right?

29:42 But they're like the single cell itself isn't evolving into a multicellular Organism. 2 single cells are combining and creating a new thing, right? Well, yes and no, right? So a single cell can absorb organic material from something else, use that organic material to duplicate itself, right? That does happen. Cellular duplication. Cellular. Sure, right. Fair enough. We, we learn about that in 6th grade, but also that is, you know, that is the, the education system that is forced upon us by five.

30:24 There you go right. So you know, take it with a grain of salt, right. But here I got, I got to show you this 'cause this is, this is super interesting. This is something I, I didn't know that I just found out the other day and this is completely off topic, but I thought this was really cool. This is called the zinc spark. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I I know what this is. OK, play it though. Yeah, I know what this is. So this is something that happens when an egg is fertilized, right? There is a spark that happens at the moment of fertilization and like right now we're looking at this, you know, through some sort of filter.

31:04 It's like an infrared filter or whatever, right? But you can actually see this through just as something as simple as a shoot. What, what's the, what's the thing where they, they look at the, the, the mother's stomach ultrasound, ultrasound, right? Like you could see it and and it's look at look at this. Yes, the spark of life, man. You know, there's something else that's kind of similar to this as well. I don't know if you saw this. I saw it recently where they they took like a long exposure of a human being in a completely blacked out room. And when they reviewed the film or whatever, there was literally like a light, a light being there.

31:51 Like you could see the outline of this person but it was in light. Say that again. What was that? They took like a long exposure film or picture or whatever of a human being in a, in a blacked out room. And over the course of that long exposure, when they reviewed the film afterwards, it showed like a silhouette of the person in light. So it's like we are emitting light, like we are light beings, right? And then that's kind of like an example of that as well. Even from the point of conception, like there's a spark of, of light, right? Light. And but this is something I talk about all the time too, right? Where I talk about the holographic universe, right? All information is in light.

32:33 Light is the, the, the information. So, you know, new DNA codes, new DNA sequence like you're showing there, which is what that is, right? That's the creation of new DNA sequence. That's information and information is is light. So there's something there. The thing is right, man, is I, I, I think this shit is absolutely interesting, right? All, all I can go off of is stuff that I've been taught and stuff that I've read in books and stuff that I've learned, right, with information that I've been fed. Same thing with you. Same thing with anybody in the chat. Same thing with with anybody anywhere else, right? But you observe what you, what you filter into yourself and choose to take in from the information and utilize is the information that you'll use.

33:30 But there's a whole world out there that none of us understands. For sure. Right. And it's fucking fascinating for sure. Some really fucking cool shit. And I'm telling you, man, one of the coolest fucking things out there is this aquatic A hypothesis, man, it's so cool. And I understand. I understand that that evolution is a tough subject. I do OK. But I promise you, man, I don't. I don't tend to just not, you know, pass a stone without turning it over, OK? For sure. And listen, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm not even like debating whether or not this theory, I don't know the first thing about this fucking theory, right? Like, I'm going to have to wait for you to drop the whole fucking detailed thing on it so that I can like, kind of. You can listen to the free one.

34:24 The free one's out right now on Spotify. You can listen to that and get the good gist of what it's about, right? I mean, it's a good episode. I got really good feedback from it, but like, I've learned so much about it. Like, there's so much more out there than what that episode talked about that I felt compelled to be like, yo, I really need to just do another one of these because there's so much more. Yeah. You know, so much more. Like, all right, just just for like an example, right. Just. I'm telling you man, without going into the the scientific evidence, because I can sit here all day long and just spit out a whole bunch of things that that back up the idea, right? The gist is the aquatic ape hypothesis states that there is a shit ton of evidence.

35:17 And I'm telling you that the evidence is super strong that if you believe that evolution is a possibility, that we evolved from an an ape that started off quadrupedal. Instead of going out of the trees into the Savannah of the African, of the prehistoric African Savannah, they went to the coast of the Great Rift Valley where there was a ton of water at the time, right? It was a sea, a nice big sea that eventually dried out. And you're also talking about the coast of the ocean, the African coast, where we lived.

36:04 We lived on the coast. We were coastal animals. We were semi aquatic. Think otters, think seals, dugongs, walruses, that kind of thing. OK, because we were semi aquatic, we developed bodies that were mostly hairless. We developed bipedalism. We developed spots of our body that are covered in hair, are the only portions of our body that face the sun. We developed a structure to our dermis that is we have a fat layer directly underneath our skin.

36:52 Just like aquatic and semi aquatic mammals, walruses, whales, dolphins. Same thing with elephants, pigs, rhinos, hippos, right? All these semi aquatic, even pigs, right? They're not considered semi aquatic, although they do share a common ancestor. OK, got to believe in evolution for this one. But they they are said to to share common ancestors as whales, right? Believe it or not, throw a pig in a pool. They swim really fucking well. Believe it or not, Google that shit.

37:33 Pigs swim really well. You know what else they need? They need mud baths every fucking day. If not, their skin dries out. They also needed to be protected from from the sun, and they also use it to protect themselves from bug bites. OK, same thing with elephants. Same thing with rhinos. Hippos. OK, they may not live in the water for majority of their lives. They may travel vast distances on land, but they need to cover themselves with dirt or mud because they need that moisture to moisturize their skin because it will dry out and it will start peeing and it could do untold damage to the to their to their dermis.

38:16 OK, what other animals need that? There's not, OK. These animals need the water. They came from the water at some point. They share a common ancestor with whales. OK, So if all of the animals that share a similar structure to us, because there's not another ape that has this skin, they don't have it like us. If you take your, your fingers, right, and you, you rub your forehead right here, you rub your scalp and you rub the bridge of your nose right here, that's the same kind of skin that other apes have, OK?

38:58 They don't have any of that, that, that layer of fat underneath their skin. Basically, when you, when you hear the stories from the Wild West when, when Native Americans used to scalp Cowboys, right? The reason why they can scalp them is because they don't have that that subdermis fat, OK? So I get what you're saying, but like, where's what about like, you know, you would think that if you, you would what, what, what? No, I kind of got into like some of the evidence there. I I did exactly what I said I wouldn't do. No, it's all good. But my question would be like on the other side of it, right?

39:40 Like where's if we spent all that time in the water, where is like things you might expect from aquatic creatures? Like why are our eyes on the front of our heads and not on the sides like most fish and things like that? Why don't we have more webbing in our fingers and toes? Why is there no gills or even like? But we weren't. But we weren't aquatic, we were semi aquatic. Sure. There's no gills, there's no side eyes on seals, you know, or otters. They're forward-looking animals. They can hold their Yeah, Chris is saying. They can hold their breath for a lot longer than we.

40:20 Can they can't that we. OK, you're right, right? But let me tell you something. You ever heard of surfers here? Who? Surfers here. Sure. Yeah. Remind me, what is this? OK, I'm. Going to share my screen here in a second. Let me bring it up. Let me share this is this is really fucking interesting the. Fat layer under the skin is interesting, but you know, I can kind of think of other reasons why that might be the case, right? If this thing right? This right here, Jeff, this is going to probably be one of the better pieces of evidence for you. Surfer's ear, also known as external auditory canal exotosis.

41:05 It's a condition where Bony growths develop in the ear canal, primarily caused by repeated exposure to cold water and wind, common in activities like surfing, swimming and diving. There is a direct relation to these growths right here, right? Can you see these right here, these growths and the size of them? See this picture right here? These are Bony, gross, a direct relation to the size of these and how long or how often a human being spends submerged underwater.

41:51 People who are Olympic swimmers, people who are professional divers, swim instructors, they have huge cases of surfers ear, huge People who don't spend any time underwater don't have these at all. They don't. OK. The reason why it's called surfers ear is because it typically only shows up in people who are around water and spend time underwater. Not just floating around, but with their whole heads submerged under the water. Now check this out.

42:40 There has been multiple species of bipedal apes, including the Australopithecus from 4,000,000 years ago that have also been found with those growths. Not a single primate to this day has those growths that do not regularly dive primates that do have those growths. Primates that dive on a daily basis have those growths. OK, so what's really the big difference between the, because like, I mean, I, I, I, I'm hearing with, I'm tracking with what you're saying, right?

43:35 But like, let's say we came out of the trees and went into the savannas, right? OK, let's say we came out of the trees and we went to the coastlines instead. OK, what's to say both didn't happen? OK. So like, why is this so like mind blowing to you? Because couldn't both things have happened at the same time? Yes, it could have, right so. Because it like. The the the question. Would be it would be mind blowing if we like evolved from a fucking fish. That would be mind blowing to me, right? Well, here's here's the thing, right? We're being, we're told that we're primates, OK? We're apes, OK, We shared certain percentage of DNA with other apes, right?

44:33 But if you look at all the other apes, how many of them look anything like us, really? I mean like there's like some similarities. Right. Like we are drastically different looking. Sure. And I'm not. I mean, you look at apes compared to other apes, man. And you're like, OK, these are these are part of the same same family. You look at us compared to other apes and you're like, all right, yeah. I mean, if you squint maybe, and you hold it out far enough, you know, I can sort of see it, right.

45:16 But we're the same. We don't have hair, man. Something went different, something, something went different that we can agree on, right? Sure. I mean, if let's say we followed a similar evolutionary path or adaptive path to our ape family members, we all grew up in the trees and we all came down on the trees, why did we not stay quadrupedal like them?

45:57 What, what would have happened or what didn't happen that never made us stand up? So we all came out of the trees, man. We all came out our last comment, our, our, our LCA, the the last common ancestor came out of the trees. OK. And somewhere there we split off. Some of them stayed under the trees and we went and did something different where we lost our hair. We stood up. Yeah, I mean, I get it, right. And maybe it could be like what you're saying, it could also be that something manipulated the DNA, right?

46:41 I mean, like, I just, I just looked this up, right? Like we share 50% common DNA with bananas. Well, that's because we're a carbon based. Sure. We share 60% common DNA with fruit flies, right? So like, I don't know, I mean, I have no problem believing that we came out of the trees and went to the coast and we spent a shit load of time in the water and that might be some reason for the adaptation in our bodies or evolution or whatever the fucking word you want to use for I have no problem believing that, right? Just like I have no problem believing that we came out of the trees, we went to the savannahs, we started eating mushrooms, which expanded our consciousness, right?

47:24 I can believe both of those things happened equally. Like neither one of those things is like, oh, what? Like to me, right. So I guess I don't know. I don't know. It's almost like it doesn't blow your mind. Yeah, it doesn't blow my mind like it's blowing your mind. I think it's, I think it's super interesting because I'm using it as a gateway to other things. OK, drugs, sort of, but no. So what I what I really wanted to get to today was in the theory, in the theory of evolution, again, if you follow it right.

48:32 Things branch off. That's, that's basically the gist of it. So at some point we came out of the water again. What happened to the humans that didn't? We do have a whole bunch of weird shit that we're finding on Google Maps under the water. We are. We are getting video proof of UFOs flying into the water. Sure. Could it be that we were manipulated by beings that live under the water? Yes.

49:13 Like instead of our DNA being merged with the Grays, maybe our DNA was merged with the What was Jar Jar Binks's fucking? You don't know. You didn't watch Star Trek. No man, I didn't watch any of that shit. But you know, like there were in Star Wars in the Phantom Menace, you know, Jar Jar, you know, Jar Jar Binks is right, at least the character. OK, fuck you. So they, they had a whole civilization of this particular alien that lived in underwater in these giant bubble cities, right? Like, and they didn't, you know, they were like a basically aquatic beings, but they were bipedal and like, you know, they, they survived on land. It's just as well and stuff like that. So like, is it possible that they're whatever beings, maybe they've been here forever. Maybe they came here long ago, but they have civilizations under the ocean and they'd found primates on land and decided to do some experimentation.

50:07 And they are the ones that created us. Maybe it wasn't the Anunnaki from Nibiru. Maybe it was the fucking Anunnaki from the bottom of the ocean. Maybe that's interesting that maybe I, I could fucking dive into, you know? Or they're like yo, look at them monkey butts, let's fuck those. But I. Don't think it would go the other way around. I don't think that we would come out of the trees, go into the water and then create civilizations in the water. No, we we created villages next to the water bud semi aquatic. OK then this is this is what I don't like about the aquatic. A hypothesis is that we are not we are the aquatic A hypothesis, even when you really dive into it, you know what was her name? Morgan.

50:55 I can't fucking think of her name right now, but I know that the the guy who wrote the book after her doctor something Ryze Evans, he he really dove into where where she fell short, right. She really, the way that she explained it, she never really split it and said, hey, just so you know, I'm calling it the aquatic A hypothesis. But you know, you really shouldn't look at it as if we're fucking mermaids, right. That's not what I'm trying to talk about. I'm just trying to say that we've lived a more semi aquatic lifestyle.

51:41 Like hey man, we just really lived off of like the the water. Like, we ate a lot of seaweed, we ate a lot of shells and plants. I believe that 100%. I mean, we literally used shells as currency for the longest time, right? And like there's still tribes out there that survive solely on the ocean And and you know, there's, there's fucking tribes, people out there that'll swim and they'll do dive fishing with primitive Spears, like constantly. So I'm, I'm with you on that part of it, but I don't again, I don't think that there's really any distinction between that and the ones that went to the Savannah right now. The original question you asked is interesting. Like why wouldn't they teach this? Like why would they hide this from us? Like, that's an interesting question. Like why?

52:30 Because that that's why I find it interesting, right? And you look at all this stuff that's that's trying to poke its way out right now. When you when you look at these multi domain vehicles, right? We've we've talked about this at ezem here on this podcast about how they can go from space to air to under the water without splashing or even losing any momentum whatsoever. And then, you know, all of a sudden somebody finds some really weird fucking looks like man made structure under the water off the coast of Southern California, you know, some 250 miles off the coast. Then the very next day it's just a blurred out spot, you know, like a lot of weird shit's happening.

53:17 I could speak to that stuff though. Right. So go ahead. Well, you know, we've talked about this with the Younger Dryas, right? Like during the last Ice Age, you know, the, the ocean levels were 4-5 hundred feet lower than they are now. And if you and there's people who have done this in their little fucking simulations, right? They've, they've drained the oceans down 4500 feet and the coastlines go out thousands and thousands of miles, right? Yeah, I'll take Florida as an example, right? Most of Florida's pretty much at sea level, right? But you can look at a map right now of Florida and you can see the shallows that go out past the, you know, Bahamas and all that stuff. So like, you know, I know for a fact that human beings were building cities in megalithic structures, you know, similar to what we would see in Giza or in Central America.

54:07 Like those structures exist underwater right now because the water levels rose 4 or 500 feet at the end of the last Ice Age, right? So when we see stuff like that, what you're talking about, like, oh, what is this fucking structure that we just found and then they blurred out, You know, to me, that's them hiding the fact that, you know, our human ancestors were building fucking shit long before they tell us, right? Because the narrative has been, you know, 5-6 thousand years ago is when we started like civilization and agriculture and like building cool shit. And then oops, Gobekli Tepe comes out and that double S the age of of civilization, right, Which was purposely buried right at the end of the last Ice Age, which means it was built before then during the Ice Age at least, right.

54:57 So to me, like that type of stuff is just that. It's not, you know? It's just like, hey, man, there's shit under the water, you know? Atlantis is everywhere. They just don't want us to know, you know? Well, OK, yes. Like Bimini, You know the Bimini Rd. Yeah, absolutely. Right, right. And, you know, like the Perry Reese map. I'm not familiar with that one though. So it's a map, Forget exactly when it was drawn up. 1500s or something like this and there's coastlines. You could look this up. Look up the Perry Reese map. I'm looking it up right now. There's it shows coastlines for like Antarctica during the Ice Age, right?

55:42 It shows the Bahama. You know the Bahama. Yeah, I have seen this. OK, so if you look at the Bahamas on that map, it's not a series of islands as it is now. It's like 1 big land mass and in the middle of that landmass, you see what looks like little megalithic structures on the map, right? Well, people like Graham Hancock have, have gone and done dives in the Bahamas at the Bimini Road and there is that structure underwater, right? So that just tells me like for sure, for sure that those water levels were lower and people were building in those areas 10 + 1000 years ago, right? So the big secret I think they're hiding from us there is the age of human civilization, right? That's like the.

56:34 But the the specific one that I was talking about off the coast of California, it it had like lights and shit, man. Well, that you know, listen, that could be bases. I know I've I've seen this before. You know, we all know about the dumps, the deep underground military bunkers in the in the underground cities that are built right? And and a lot of us know about the massive underground like tunnel systems that connect a lot of these cities underground, right. So it. Spans the entire United States. Right. Well, a lot of people don't know that we have those deep underground facilities under the ocean, right under the ocean floor.

57:17 So that could be that. It could be like, oops, you know, our fucking satellites took these pictures and oops, we caught a glimpse of something that's just a top secret facility that's under the water, you know, So that's that could be the lights. It could also be the Gungans. I don't know. But you know. You brought up, Oh by the way, if anybody is interested, Elaine Morgan was the name of the author. She wrote the original The Aquatic Ape Hypothesis. Her original book on the aquatic ape theory was The Descent of Woman, which is a play on of the Charles Darwin book The Descent Man. And then Peter Rice Evans is the Doctor Who wrote the Waterside Ape.

58:18 This book is fucking amazing. If you like biology and science and shit like that, that's a really good book for that. But you brought up agriculture, which is also a very interesting topic when it comes to the aquatic aid theory as well. So, and I mean, this is this is also just a, a fun thing to talk about, just talking about hidden history of man, right? So what does, what does the mainstream narrative tell you when it, when it comes to why are humans fat, right?

59:07 Why do we have this subdermis fat while they tell you that 40,000 years ago humans created agriculture and we started producing grain and wheat and barley and all this shit that our body couldn't digest. And we started creating it at masses and levels of, you know, levels that that we weren't accustomed to. We were a hunter gatherer species for so long and now all of a sudden all we had to do was grow it, harvest it and store it and then just make sure we didn't overeat or store it improperly and protect it.

59:55 And we had food for as long as we needed, and we overate and we got fat. That's the official why we're fat when it comes down to the nutshell, it's well, agriculture did it to us. But you ever heard of the the, the Venus? What are they called? The Why am I drawing a blank here? Man figurines. The Venus figurines.

1:00:37 I don't know, maybe. I heard Crystal. Did Crystal ever hear of them? Yes. So the Venus figurines, right? Agriculture is 40,000 years old I. Feel like when? You see them, he'll know. Oh, yeah. No, he'll he'll know exactly what I'm talking about. These are the These are the Venus figurines. Oh yeah, OK, you know. Right, we all, we've all seen these. Now most of these, right, range from 40 to 80,000 years ago. Most of these and these are supposed to resemble the feminine body of ancient Africa and Europe. Now some of these, some Venus figurines. Now I find this kind of hard to believe. I'm I'm totally with you on this, but you can find evidence on the interwebs that some of these date back to 400,000 years ago.

1:01:43 I don't know how true that is. I'm not going to claim its authenticity, but you can find that evidence online. What Is there evidence for that? Yeah, hopefully it's not carbon dating. I don't, I, I, I don't know what their evidence is for. But it's carbon dating. I just, I don't even, I don't even understand that shit anymore, you know, And then if you get into like, oh, they dug it out of a certain layer of the earth, I don't buy into that either. Because you got to talk about fucking cataclysms and mud floods and all that type of shit too, which fuck up the, you know, the stratum or whatever the fucking word is, right? So, you know, dating is weird, you know, which is another problem that I have with like evolution, you know, it's, it's not necessarily like I, I think it's impossible or something. It's just like, you know, the only evidence that we have that, hey man, you know, like this fossil that's fucking 80 million years old, right?

1:02:39 Blah, blah, blah. It's like, well, how the fuck do you know it's 80 million years old? Because carbon dating is not fucking accurate after X amount of time. Here's so here's one from 250 two 180,000 the I don't know which one it is Baccarat ram. Yeah, and you know, I, I say that, but also I said this last night on Shadow Band. You know, like I personally, this is my own bias. Like I enjoy thinking about the fact that human beings have been creating and, and like having civilizations and like inventing things for a lot longer than 10, twenty, 40,000 years. Like that's chump change in my mind, right? Like I like to, I like to think that we've been doing what we're doing now for hundreds of thousands of years, if not millions of years right now.

1:03:34 I know the more will be like, you know, fucking, the timelines are all skewed. We're only at fucking 500 years, whatever that might be true too. But like, I personally just enjoy the thought of like, hey, man, no, we, we, we've been anatomically the same. Even if you just take them at their word, if you just trust the experts on this and you just take them at their word, we've been anatomically the same for 250,000 years. There's no reason to think that for 250,000 years we haven't been building pyramids, you know, fucking agriculture, looking at the stars, like all that kind of stuff, you know? Speak, man, I, I, I love this show. I love talking to you, man, because you'll just say something and then something new will pop up in my fucking head. They just discovered on the surface of Mars. I know, right?

1:04:21 You're going to love this because you don't even believe in Mars. You mean Greenland? Go ahead. But they just, they just discovered like these three cylindrical, perfectly spaced out structures on the surface of Mars. You know, if you ever took the time to watch that fucking video I showed you bro, it would explain a lot of that type of stuff for you. You know when you, I forget the word for it, but you know when you, when there's an electrical arc, right, it creates like certain structures right in the, in the medium that the ark is hitting, right?

1:05:05 A good example of this is like river deltas. Like that structure of a river delta that that spidering out or that tree branch type look right. You ever seen something like burn a piece of wood with like those pens and they're like doing artwork on it or like they put like 2 electrodes on a piece of wood and it like makes this cool, like tree branch pattern, you know, connecting the, the charge, you know, I'm talking about. Yeah. And then there's also like the bubbling and like those tunnels that you're talking about. Like all of that stuff can be created through electric charge. So when you get into like, you know, electric universe and and that kind of stuff, you know, maybe that's what that is.

1:05:46 I don't know if it's necessarily a created structure by an advanced species or if it's just a massive electrical discharge that slammed into a body and created those fucking I'll. Be honest with you again, I have no idea. I just seemed it literally right. Right. I I just tried. I couldn't even find it. Wow. Scrubbed. Yeah, probably scrubbed. Oh, I'm about to have a coughing fit. Why is it not muting? Just coughing the mic bro. Oh I'm just getting over strep. Fucking went in Monday and got a strep test. Good thing we didn't record on Sunday because I was feeling like dog shit.

1:06:40 Damn. Yeah. So yeah, well, I, I think I'm, I think I'm good, man. Yeah, I mean, I'll, I'll try to in the next few days, I'll try to go back and listen to that aquatic ape episode just to get a better understanding of it. No. You're not. I'll try. That's why I said I'll try. I didn't. Don't fucking say that. You're not going to try you're. Not you're not. I believe Crystal might. You're not when you manifest it that way. I guess that's what's going to happen. All right, well, I I got some cool things to show for anybody going to UFO days and also for. Going to that.

1:07:29 What are you talking about? Ain't nobody going to that, bro. I'm not going to be there. Well, these are also going to show up in your little gift box anyways in February. Yeah, so. All right, show me. So I got got some cool little stickers, man. Hell yeah, look at them. Hell yeah. Those are friends that say 2026 on them since that's when I'll get them. I'll cross it out with a Sharpie and write 2026 on it. Sound good? Fuck yeah. Sound good. Well, hey, if you're listening to this right, we're going to do the same thing we did last year. If you come to the booth and you say that you've listened to the show, I don't know, Jeff, give me give me a number one through what, 228 now?

1:08:22 Great. What episode are we on? What episode is this shoot? I don't know bro. This is this is episode 227. Wow dude 227. So give you a number between 1 and 227. Give me an episode between 1 and 227. Want me to say it out loud? Yes. Oh, it's not like a magic trick. Nope. What I'm going to say. 1111 All right, so if you show up at the booth on UFO days in Elmwood, WI and you tell anybody working the booth that day the title of episode 11, anybody in your group will get a free sticker. One of these guys just a standard infinite rabbit hole sticker, and if you got kids, we're going to hook them up with some infinite rabbit hole temporary tattoos. Can we, can we up the ante a little bit too? What's that?

1:09:24 So I just said 11 if, if this is up to Jeremy, right, if you can name the name of the episode 3 episodes for the three master numbers. I'm not going to tell you what the master number. You're going to go figure out what master numbers are, and you're going to have to come correct with the three episode names for the three master numbers. Jeff said. He'll come up here and he'll personally shake your hand. He. Won't. I won't do that. But, well, you'll get a prize. Whatever that prize is, I don't know. Whatever that prize is, Jeff said he'll give it to you. Do. You know what the master numbers are. No, I have no idea.

1:10:09 Oh man. Yeah, I mean, come on man, I didn't even know who Jarlar Fink says 0. My God match. I'll just say the match numbers 1122 and 33. Oh well, you just ruined it. Well, you just ruined it for everybody. Well, now if you want the sticker, you got to come with three. You got to come with a. Skeeter. Skeeter says it's muffins from Crystal. I agree, that's a good one. Yeah, we'll mail them to you and they'll be nice and moldy when they get there. Yeah, absolutely. We've got the the UFO Days stickers. Those are going to be for sale. I've also got, I just got to, I got to show you these too. I got to show you these.

1:10:53 These are cool. We got new business cards this year. Check these things out. What? Look at that. Sick. Look at that. Look at that. And but it's got my name on it this year because nobody else is fucking showing up, Jeff. I told you the deal last year. I said I'll come up there and the next time I come, it'll be after you come down here and you guys never came down here, All right? I said that publicly. I stand on 10 toes, right? I stand on business, all right? I stand on business. I want everybody listening to this that's going to to UFO days in Elmwood. Just know Jeff said that he's not coming. He's putting all of you down.

1:11:40 Blame Jeremy for not not showing up. I stand on business. But anyways, there's two people that will be at UFO Days in the chat right now that heard that episode 11 is the hot episode. You come to the booth and let us know what episode 11 is. Your crew is going to walk away with some free stickers. Your kids are going to walk away with free temporary tattoos. And yeah, that's pretty much it. We'll have T-shirts and hats and all the goodies, plus we'll have the camera and the microphone set up to, to let you come in and tell us about your UFO stories. I mean, we got some pretty good ones last year, man. They were that one for the, the lady and her husband where they witnessed that UFO that landed across the street.

1:12:24 And then, and then her husband went out there to go check it out. And it was, there was nothing there. Like it just vanished into the ground if you. Name all three episodes your kids walk away with real tattoos. Hey hey, there may or may not be an actual tattoo artist there. There you go. I may or may not be in the works of trying to work that out, but there is an A an infinite rabbit hole trip to the tattoo artist the following Monday that Jeff's not going to. So Kenzar Skeeter, myself, my wife and her friend Caitlin are going.

1:13:07 I booked it for all of us. Too bad Jeff's not going. Hey, send me the sketch for that tattoo. Maybe I'll get that tattoo. What tattoo? Whatever tattoo you got, you guys going to get matching tattoos? You get the logo or something? No, we're just getting whatever we want. Oh, I thought you guys were doing like a like a gay little trip or something. No, I mean like if if you were coming, maybe we would have, Maybe we would have. But. They're not. I was. I was going to say send me the sketch and I'll fucking go get it done too remotely. But now fuck you guys. Then I'm going to get a shadow band tattoo. Well, we got to put some time and effort into into like a A-Team tattoo. Like, if you want to do something weird and stupid, let's let's like put some bog into it. You know, like, let's not I'm. Going to get an infinite rabbit hole tramp stamp. Oh my God, please.

1:13:51 Don't let's fucking do it. I'm fucking down. I'm not going to get this blue 1 though. Speaking of I we should next episode, well depending on if we have the guests on or not, we need to talk. Did I? Did I tell the story of of why it's blue? Yes, we did. All right. Well, then, nevermind. All right. Jeff needs to go. Nighty night. He's tired. Look at him. He's all tuckered out. There may or may not be a another episode before Sunday. I'm trying. I may try to convince Jeff to record once again because we do have to make up an episode.

1:14:31 We will not be recording the Sunday of UFO days, which is next Sunday, not this Sunday coming up. We will be recording this Sunday. Next Sunday we will not. I will be busy. For what? My sister's dinner is on this Sunday, isn't it? My sister's birthday dinner is this coming Sunday. Oh well, then maybe we won't be recording this Sunday. Maybe Jeff needs to tell me things. So I didn't even realize I'm terrible with it. We could probably do it earlier. Well, we'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. Jeff and I will figure this out. We now we have to squeeze 5 episodes in and he'll never sleep.

1:15:14 So there's that. All right, I'm done. Let's leave this guy so that he can go nighty night. It was nice seeing a few new, new chatters in the the chats today. Appreciate you showing up. Yeah, that's it. Who is new? Yeah, I didn't see. Anybody new? Oh, you. Know Mr. C and sorry for coughing into the mic all night. I apologize, but is what it is. Mr. E, What up Mr. E? Who's that? I don't know who that is. Oh, I don't know.

1:15:57 I just, I don't, I don't, I can't really look at the. Docs yourself, Mr. E, who are you? Well, I I appreciate all the chatters, all of them. Thank you all for coming, it was fun. Indeed. All right, You got anything to put out? You got anything for Shadow Band? We picked it back up. You know how we do. We take a little breaks, but we've done a couple episodes, so check it out. Shadow Band Pod, you know that's all I got, brother all. Right then. All right, until next time, travelers. We'll see you right here in the next fork in the path of the Infinite Rattle.

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