IRH 267: Apocalypse Beliefs, Black Hole Swarm & The Consciousness Crisis

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March 1st, 2026 scientists
published a study showing that

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1/3 of Americans believe the
world will end in their

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lifetime.
It's not just fringe conspiracy

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theorists, it's mainstream
psychology published in a

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journal of Personality and
Social Psychology.

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And researchers are asking what
happens when apocalyptic

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thinking becomes normal?
That same week, astronomers at

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the University of Barcelona
published findings in Nature

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Astronomy about Palomar 5A star
cluster being consumed from the

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inside by a swarm of over 100
black holes.

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Each one is 20 times the mass of
our sun, and they're tearing

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through the Milky Way on a
collision course with nobody

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knows.
Two days earlier, on February

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28th, a family of three in
Oklahoma reported a clear

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daylight sighting of a massive
bipedal creature crossing a

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power line easement northwest of
Durant.

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The Bigfoot Fuel Researchers
organization classified it as a

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Class A encounter.
Credible witnesses, close range,

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no misidentification.
And this week, scientists warn

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that humanity is facing a quote
UN quote existential risk

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because we're building AI
systems and growing brain tissue

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faster than we can understand
consciousness itself.

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Apocalyptic beliefs going
mainstream, a black hole swarm

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devouring a star cluster,
Bigfoot walking power line

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corridors in broad daylight and
the consciousness crisis.

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AI minds we can't recognize,
brain organoids that might be

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aware, and ethical disasters
we're not prepared to handle.

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All of it happened in the last
10 days.

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Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit
Hole.

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What's up everyone, I'm Jeremy
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We've got three stories in our
briefing section tonight.

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And then we're going deep on
something that first breach

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headlines on February 1st but is
now beginning to be talked about

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much more among, well, everyone.
Scientists warning that we're

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racing toward an existential
risk because we're creating

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consciousness faster than we can
understand it.

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But first, our news briefing.
In our first story, a new study

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published in the Journal of
Personality and Social

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Psychology shows that nearly 1/3
of Americans believe the world

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will end in their lifetimes.
And it's revealing 5 different

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dimensions of how people think
about the apocalypse, from who

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causes it to whether we can stop
it.

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For our second story,
astronomers discovered a swarm

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of 100 black holes tearing
through a star cluster in the

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Milky Way.
The cluster is dissolving, and

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in a billion years, all that
will be left is a stream of

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black holes orbiting the Galaxy.
And for our final briefing, a

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family in Oklahoma had a close
encounter with something massive

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walking across a power line
easement in broad daylight.

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The Bigfoot field researchers
organization calls it a Class A

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sighting.
But prior to jumping into our

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briefings, let's go ahead and
check in with the Co host for

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the night.
Gentlemen, how is the?

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I'm good.
As promised, I3D printed a

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tridactyl so Jeremy could feel
bad about his obsession with

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them.
As you can see, it is in fact

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bullshit.
Here I am.

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It is kind.
Of hard to see on on the with

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the lights.
But yeah, I kind of painted the

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wrong color.
But I mean, honestly, it really

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is it could you paint the right
color?

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I mean it is fake after all, you
know, it could be pink.

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I mean, I don't know, you went
through some, some pretty hard

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times to get it.
We in fact we have, we have

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documented imagery, a photograph
if you will, of you discovering

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this thing.
It's bullshit.

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It is.
Yeah, there I am discovering.

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Bulls in.
The Caves.

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And he's got shit on his hand.
Look at that.

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Yeah.
Yep.

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There was shit everywhere.
Yeah, I was.

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Specifically from.
Bulls.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, actually behind
The Cave, there was behind me in

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The Cave, there was those
lights.

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They're mounted on several bulls
crapping all over the place.

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But there I am, discovering it
mixed among their their

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bullshit.
All right, CJ, let's hear.

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Let's hear about this hat man.
What's going on with this?

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I forgot to put a hat on and I'm
balding and this is the only hat

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that was in my studio and I feel
like it so I was not about to

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run upstairs to go get another
hat.

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I dig it man, I like it.
I appreciate it.

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I think you're.
Going to give our listeners

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strokes.
I hope so.

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It's it's it's the alien.
It's taking over.

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It's a symbiote.
It also looks a little bit like

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the Pope hat.
So I'm the alien Pope.

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I'm.
The alien Pope.

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Well, it's cute, man.
It is.

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It's adorable.
All right, guys, ready to jump

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into the briefings?
Yeah.

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All right.
On March 3rd, 2026, Richards

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published a study in the Journal
of Personality and Social

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Psychology that reveals
something striking about the

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American mindset.
Nearly 1/3 of Americans believe

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the world will end in their
lifetime.

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The study was conducted by
researchers at UC Irvine and the

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University of British Columbia.
They surveyed over 3400

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participants across diverse
populations to understand how

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people think about the
apocalypse.

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And what they found is that
apocalyptic thinking isn't 1

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dimensional, it's fairly
complex.

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It operates across 5 distinct
psychological dimensions, the

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first being immense.
This measures how soon people

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think the end will come.
Some believe it's decades away,

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others think it's happening
right now.

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The study found that a
significant portion of Americans

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see the apocalypse as imminent,
something that will occur within

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their lifetime or even within
the next few years.

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The second being human versus
divine causation.

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This measures who or what people
believe will cause the end.

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Is it humanity's fault?
Climate change, nuclear war?

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AI going rogue?
Or is it an act of God, divine

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judgement, or cosmic forces
beyond our control?

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The study found that belief
split along these lines, with

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some people attributing
apocalyptic scenarios entirely

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to human actions, while others
see it as predetermined by

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higher powers, The third being
personal control.

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This measures whether people
believe they can do anything to

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stop or delay the apocalypse.
Some respondents felt powerless,

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that the end is inevitable and
nothing they do matters.

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Others believe that individual
or collective action could

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change the outcome.
And this dimension is critical

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because it affects how people
respond to existential threats.

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If you believe you have no
control, you're less likely to

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take action.
If you believe you do, you might

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fight harder to prevent
catastrophe.

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The 4th being emotional outlook.
This measures how people feel

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about the apocalypse.
Are they terrified, resigned, or

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strangely optimistic?
Some participants expressed

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dread and anxiety, but others
saw the apocalypse as a

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necessary reset, a cleansing
event, or even something they

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welcomed.
The emotional response shapes

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behavior.
Fear can paralyze acceptance,

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can lead to apathy, and in some
cases, anticipation can feel

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dangerous ideologies and 5th.
The nature of the apocalypse

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itself.
This dimension looks at what

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people think the end will look
like.

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Will it be gradual environmental
collapse?

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Sudden nuclear annihilation?
A pandemic that wipes out

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civilization?
The return of Christ?

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An asteroid impact?
Alien intervention?

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The study found that people's
visions of the apocalypse vary

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widely, but they all share one
common thread, a belief that the

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current world order is
unsustainable and heading

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towards collapse.
Now, here's why this matters.

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Apocalyptic thinking is no
longer confined to religious

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extremists or doomsday preppers.
It's permeating mainstream.

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It's affecting how people vote,
how they plan for the future,

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and how they respond to crises
like climate change, pandemics

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and the AI development.
Doctor Yiget Usterk, one of the

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study's authors, said this
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Understanding apocalyptic
beliefs is crucial because they

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influence behavior on a societal
level.

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If a large portion of the
population believes that the

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world is ending, that shapes
policy, economics, and social

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stability.
And here's the meta narrative

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that connects this to everything
we cover on Infinite Rabbit

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Hole.
Fringe beliefs are becoming

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mainstream.
A decade ago, if you said you

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believed the world would end in
your lifetime, you'd be

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dismissed as a paranoid or
delusional.

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Now it's a statistically
significant world view held by

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millions of Americans.
This parallels other fringe to

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mainstream shifts we've tracked.
UFOs went from conspiracy theory

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to congressional hearings.
AI consciousness went from

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science fiction to peer reviewed
journals.

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Ancient civilizations went from
pseudoscience to legitimate

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archaeological debate, and
apocalyptic thinking is

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following the same trajectory.
The study also found that

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apocalyptic beliefs intersect
with conspiracy theories called

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ideologies and religious
worldviews.

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People who believe the world is
ending are more likely to

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distrust institutions, reject
mainstream narratives, and seek

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alternative explanation for
global events.

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So here's the bottom line. 1/3
of Americans believe the world

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will end in their lifetime.
That belief operates across 5

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psychological dimensions.
Imminence.

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Causation control emotion and
vision, and it's shaping how

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people interpret reality,
respond to crises, and engage

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with the world around them.
So my question, Jake, CJ, do you

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think that this is rational?
Are people responding to

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legitimate existential threats
like nuclear war?

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Or is this mass delusion fueled
by anxiety and misinformation?

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I'm not actually sure I believe
in nuclear weapons.

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OK, Jeff.
Is that a Jeff thing?

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Yes, it might be.
I don't know.

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I haven't talked to Jeff in a
really long time.

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I hope he's doing good.
He is.

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But no, like, yeah, I'm really
not.

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I'm really not 100.
Well, I it's not that I don't

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think I don't, it's not that I
don't think that nuclear weapons

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like don't exist all together.
I don't think there is nasty.

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I don't think they've progressed
really that much further than

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say like the atomic bomb,
because there's no way that some

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of these evil countries wouldn't
have used something at this

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point.
You know, they're not, they're

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not rational.
They're not in their right minds

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half the time.
So I don't know.

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I, I, I don't, I don't really
think I mean, what, who said it?

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There was somebody, I believe it
was a philosopher, said that the

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Third World War, he didn't know
what the Third World War would

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be fought with, but the 4th 1
would be fought with sticks and

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stones.
I've heard such things.

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Yeah, honestly, I don't, I
don't, I don't really worry too

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much about nuclear weapons,
right?

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Because I mean it honestly, if
if they do exist in the capacity

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that people say they exist in,
the reality is if one country

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fires one, all countries are
firing their weapons and it's

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over.
And there's no point in being

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worried about it.
We're all dead, right?

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So it is what it is.
Do you, do you really not know

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who said that?
No, I don't remember.

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I don't remember who said that.
It is Sir Albert Einstein,

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actually.
I, you know, I wanted to say

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that.
I just didn't want to misspeak.

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I just, I, I honestly, I
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for sure who said it.
Yeah, it is the the guy.

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The guy.
Einstein.

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Einstein also didn't say half
the shit he's credited for

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saying.
Most of the stuff he came up

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with and said was his wife.
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I mean, I heard that he said
stay strapped or get clapped.

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And those are words that I.
Live by, you know, I do live by

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that as well.
I live by that as well.

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Jeremy's going to find out in
October why I live by that when

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he comes out here and sees this
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So, Jake, what do you think?
Pam A. 100% I believe that the

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world will end in my lifetime.
Think so.

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And it's funny too, because
these things you you throughout

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as gradual environmental
collapse, sudden nuclear

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annihilation, A pandemic that
wipes out civilization, the

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return of Christ and asteroid
impact, alien intervention.

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Like all of that is biblical.
So it's.

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Like, that's like the whole book
of Revelations.

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If you look, if you read the
Book of Revelation, it's in

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sections of like the the wrath
of God pouring out.

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There's plagues and famine,
there's a meteor impact.

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There's, you know, rivers
turning to blood and, you know,

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blood moons and the sky going
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There's.
The earth cracks open and giant

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monsters come crawling.
Yeah, the demons pour out all

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over the Earth that some people
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Like I'm kind of at the point
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combating people when they talk
about climate change and stuff

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because they're supposed to be a
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sun is so hot, it boils people
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in it.
Like, so it's like that has to

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come from somewhere.
A RIP in the ozone perhaps.

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So it's like there's, you know,
and then at the end of it or in

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the middle of it's the return of
Christ and then or the calling

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up of the people and then at the
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Christ.
So literally all that stuff.

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Absolutely.
I'm 100% on board.

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The thing is, is that I hope
that it gets that we get

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prolonged.
And the reason that I hope that

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is not because I don't see the
injustices in the world and I

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don't see the pain, the hurt.
And it like it would be great to

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just wrap this stuff up, but I
see a lot of people that need

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salvation and I hope that for
their state that it's postponed

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until the last person on earth
gets the opportunity to say yes

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or no to that salvation.
If they once that happens, then

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so be it, right?
And and there's obviously it

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says that people will be coming
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because they'll be the three
witnesses that will be the two

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witnesses that will be standing
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They'll be hated by the whole
world and then they'll be killed

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and then be resurrected like
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So people will be coming to to
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But for their sake, for those
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hope that it gets pushed back.
But for the sake like of

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everyone that has to deal with
the most horrible atrocities

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around the world, things that
Americans can't even wrap their

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heads around, the average
American that doesn't look at

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the, you know, watch the news or
doesn't look into other cultures

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and things like that.
For their sake of those people

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that are dealing with that, I
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So I'm kind of in a toss up
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And that's when I have to rely
on on God's sovereignty and say

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that he understands what's going
on in the world and he's going

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to wrap it up when he sees fit.
But for me IA 100% believe that

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it will happen in my lifetime.
But is that tomorrow or is that

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in I don't know how?
How much longer do I have left?

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Is that in 50 years, right, 60
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I don't know I I was talking.
To you.

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Well, I at the at the grocery
store, Brian who he's kind of

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my, my go to conspiracy guy.
So whenever we talk about

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something interesting on the
podcast, I hit him up.

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I'm like, Hey, what do you think
about this?

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And we kind of have a chat and
well, I'm getting checked out at

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the in the, the line, right.
But I was like, for me as a

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Christian guy, I'm looking at
this whole picture as like an

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unfinished puzzle, like a jigsaw
puzzle.

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And every time some crazy stuff
happens in the world, I see it,

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I'm seeing like, this is another
puzzle piece.

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And it's like, oh, here's where
it fits, Boop right there.

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And it's coming to this fruition
of this whole picture that's

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being laid out and we're not
there yet.

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But every single time something,
something weird happens even

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like this, you know, all this
stuff going on the Middle East

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right now, like there's Bible
prophecy that seems to line up

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with this sort of stuff in what
was ancient Iran, you know, with

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the whole regime being
completely toppled over and, you

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know, and fixed like in a return
of the people back to God, Like

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it's a whole big thing.
And so I'm like seeing all these

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puzzle pieces lining up and it's
like, and at what point is that

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picture going to be completely
revealed?

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You know, is that now or is that
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You know, all I can say is that
it looks pretty bad now.

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And I, I know it's going to get
worse, but at what point will it

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get worse?
And I hope it's not in, you

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know, I hope that the United
States doesn't get wiped out in

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a nuclear Holocaust because the
Bible does talk about the New

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Babylon being completely wiped
out in a matter of seconds and

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all the nations in the world
mourning the the fall of this

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nation.
Who is New Babylon?

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If you read it, it sounds a
awful lot like the United

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States, like all the world
profit off of the goods that

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comes out of New Babylon and it
gets annihilated in a matter of

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seconds.
So is that in the United States?

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I hope not, you know, but is
that a metaphor?

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Hopefully you know, but it's
like.

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I mean, if we think about that
country that the world's profit

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off of like the goods that come
out of it, it's really, it could

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be China, everything comes out
of China.

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So quick question for you
because it's kind of relevant to

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the topic.
Are you familiar with the

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concept of partial standard and
full preterism?

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No.
All right, so it's a, it's a

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Christian belief that well, I
mean, it's, it's partial

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standard.
And then like full preterism,

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they, they think that like the,
but what all the way to the full

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preterism?
We'll just go with that.

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They think the rapture already
happened and all the prophecies

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have already been fulfilled.
I have heard that yes, that was

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like done by like Nero and stuff
like that, like the end time.

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Yeah, yeah, Nero, Nero.
The Antichrist and everything,

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right?
Yeah.

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So they, they, they base a lot
of their beliefs off of the fact

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that like if you look at
writing, all writing throughout

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ages is done in the idiom of the
time, right.

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So then they went back and they
researched the idioms of who,

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who wrote the Bible first.
We just talked about this two

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episodes ago.
Was it, was it ancient Hebrew

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first or was it, I forget.
Yeah, Hebrew first.

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So they, they, they went and
they went back and researched

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literally like the slang and
idiom of the time when that

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Bible was written.
And then they take that and then

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they redefine the meanings and
metaphors within the Bible.

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And they came to the conclusion
that actually at this point the

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rapture happened in like, oh
man, I got to get that guy to

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come on this show and talk to
us.

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It would be a com.
It would be a fun conversation.

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I, we interviewed him on mystery
Sona wall and he explained

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everything.
I was like 1400 or something

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like that or. 480 or something,
I think that anything happened,

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we're literally just waiting for
Christ to come back at this

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point, like.
I will.

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Say hell or something.
That Jesus said to repent and

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believe, he didn't say to have a
full grasp on eschatology, which

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is the study of the end times.
There's plenty of people that

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say that, you know, there's
plenty of belief systems within

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the Christian community that say
that Nero was actually the

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Antichrist.
And to that I would say that

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there have been plenty of people
throughout the year who have had

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what I would call the Antichrist
spirit, which if they if it went

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to fruition, Satan would have
absolutely used them as the

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Antichrist.
And the hallmark of that is

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they're attacking of the chosen
people of God, which is the

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Jews, not Israel, right?
Not, not the state of Israel,

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but the Jewish people
themselves, the hatred and

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disdain for the Jewish people,
right?

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And you see that through people
like Nero, who's killing

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Christians and Jews.
And you see that in like Hitler,

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who was killing Christians and
Jews and all these sorts of, and

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other people as well.
But the main disdain was for

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what we'd call the children of
God, right?

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Or the chosen people of God.
So there's been plenty of people

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throughout this history who have
been kind of like maybe a dry

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run for the Antichrist, or could
have been had everything else

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lined up as well. 100 years ago
Israel didn't exist, so it

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wouldn't have been possible for
Hitler to have been to You have

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been the Antichrist, right
Because there is biblical

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prophecy that lines up but every
political.

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Figures.
The Antichrist.

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My my house really got watched
by the NSA once because somebody

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sent me an envelope in the mail
with all kinds of stuff talking

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about how Obama was the
Antichrist and someone.

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Was I heard that too in the.
Head.

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Yeah, I heard that too.
Obama was the Antichrist.

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Now Trump's the Antichrist, and
everyone's the Antichrist.

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Yeah, people like to throw that
around.

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And yeah, the Antichrist spirit
is absolutely alive and well,

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and it's just the spirit of
disobedience, honestly.

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But.
The reason I'm asking though,

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the reason I'm asking is because
what do you guys think is the

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possibility that we're already
living in the end times?

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That the reason we're
experiencing the world and the

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way we are right now is because
we're already living through an

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ended world and this is like
some form of hell we have to get

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through.
Well, I would say no to that

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because they're still good.
There's a say.

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There's a there's a lot of
positives in my life.

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The the Hallmark.
Of well, so evil can't exist

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without good, right?
And good can't exist without

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evil because they literally
define each other.

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Not necessarily, because the
hallmark of the end times is

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that Christ lifts the Holy
Spirit up out of the earth and

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that people are allowed the, the
bound, the the binding is

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released and people are allowed
to be as evil as they possibly

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want to be, right?
But what I'm saying is that if

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it wasn't cut short, nobody
would survive, right?

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So there's not going to be
people stopping people from

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murdering each other.
But.

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What I'm saying is.
Because everyone's going to want

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to do it and be able to do it
right?

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Good doing good.
The thing is, is it's it's a

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philosophical paradox, right?
So if good does not exist,

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there's nothing to define what
evil is.

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And if evil doesn't exist,
there's nothing to define what

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good is.
So even if this was hell, not

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all people who do evil things
are evil people.

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Sometimes they're just people
who did something that was evil,

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if that makes sense.
I mean, people are evil in in in

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things.
But like, if you think about it

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in this way, someone breaks into
your house or threatening your

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family, you kill them.
Killing is murder, regardless of

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whether it was legal or not.
Murderous pre is murder.

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Is whatever a killing is a
killing, right?

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A killing is killing, killing,
killing.

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Killing is killing.
Whether it was legal or not,

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it's still an act of evil.
So just because you killed a man

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doesn't make you evil.
It means you did something that

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was evil, right?
So you still you, you could

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still have people being punished
for the evil they did, even

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though that they were kind of
good people.

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So we could have good people in
hell who did evil things who

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need to repent and and make up
for what they've done, basically

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serve a sentence, right?
So that's why like you, you

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can't have evil without good.
So if this was a hell, we would

456
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,240
need good people for us to be
able to identify what evil is.

457
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,000
I hear what you're saying and IA
100% disagree.

458
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:19,520
OK.
I mean, that's fair.

459
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,360
I'm just.
But I hear you.

460
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,040
But I disagree.
But yeah, I hope that this isn't

461
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,040
the end.
Like as as just a person that

462
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,760
lives on this planet.
I hope that this isn't the end.

463
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,920
Because I don't think it is.
I just think it's an interesting

464
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,160
concept, that's all.
Selfishly, there's things that I

465
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:41,280
want to do, but then it wouldn't
be unreasonable to find someone

466
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,400
in a completely different
country who's just being crushed

467
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,600
under the weight of that society
and say, gosh, you know, Lord

468
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,000
Jesus, I hope that this is the
end so that my people don't

469
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,560
suffer anymore.
So it's we kind of, I think that

470
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,680
here in America, we have this
like, you know, we're very

471
00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:02,440
sheltered away from like for
example, in China, they do live

472
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,560
broadcasts and public
executions.

473
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,000
So people know straight up,
whatever the the reasoning was,

474
00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:12,280
this is what the result of this
behavior is, right?

475
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,160
We don't get that America, we're
lucky if we get, you know, blood

476
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,800
splatters that aren't blurred,
right?

477
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:23,040
We're so sheltered.
I think that people here in, or

478
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,720
at least in the Western
countries, have a very narrow

479
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:31,120
view of what the other people in
the world are dealing with,

480
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,000
whether it's positive or
negative.

481
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:36,400
And that could shape a lot of,
you know, whether we believe

482
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,720
we're in the end times, how's it
going to happen, things like

483
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,680
that.
I try not to be that way, but I

484
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,040
can only live based off of my
experiences.

485
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,520
I can't pretend to be someone
else or pretend to be in someone

486
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,080
else's shoes.
So I will selfishly say that I

487
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,440
hope that the end isn't soon,
but I recognize that there are

488
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,720
probably plenty of people that
say please Lord, let the end be

489
00:25:58,720 --> 00:25:59,960
soon, you know?
Right.

490
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,400
You can't know what you can't
know, right, Right.

491
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:08,160
So.
All right, well, going way back

492
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,960
to when Jake first started
responding to this, he talked

493
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,600
about how he listed off a bunch
of things that I listed off in

494
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,720
my script and how they are all
mentioned in the Bible.

495
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:26,920
Of course I have to recommend a
book and the book that it is

496
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,440
not, it's actually Nuclear War
by Annie Jacobson.

497
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,520
Phenomenal book, absolutely mind
opening.

498
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,040
I, I, I don't even have words to
to really describe the way

499
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,560
you'll feel when you read this
book.

500
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,080
It's terrifying is what it is.
It, it's, it's terrifying.

501
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:51,000
And you had mentioned a couple
of those symptoms that I had

502
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,640
described and just wanted to
throw this out there.

503
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,760
Enough nuclear bombs go off.
Yes, nuclear weaponry does work

504
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,720
and it it is stronger than
atomic weaponry.

505
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,040
Just want to throw that out
there too.

506
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,840
Enough, enough of them go off
and the ozone literally starts

507
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,800
to burn off.
So the protective cushion that

508
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,800
we have from the sun's radiation
melts away.

509
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,960
And although it technically
wouldn't actually make it a ton

510
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,520
more hotter because it's
actually the ozone that helps

511
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,960
create that greenhouse effect
where we have the global

512
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,040
warming, right?
You have that barrier between

513
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,360
you and space, right?
That starts to burn off.

514
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:39,080
It actually start.
It would actually get colder,

515
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,640
but we would burn from the UV
light.

516
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,760
So it wouldn't necessarily be
like a physical fiery burn, but

517
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,880
it would be a physical.
It'd be like a radiation.

518
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:53,760
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's
radiation.

519
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,920
Exactly.
I guess I went the long way on

520
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:02,280
that.
So I I just wanted to share a

521
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,880
website that I actually visit
very often.

522
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:11,240
This is news.ucar.edu UCAR
stands for University

523
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,440
Corporation for Atmospheric
Research.

524
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:19,360
This is a an article that I that
I read specifically while doing

525
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:24,520
the research for this blurb.
This was an article that that

526
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,480
was referenced in a different
article that I was reading about

527
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,200
on the actual subject on the
study of apocalyptic thinking.

528
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,040
This is a website that I that I
go to very often when I'm

529
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,600
looking for things to do with
infinite rabbit hole, various

530
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,640
things specifically, obviously
with the atmosphere being it.

531
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,680
That's the University
Corporation for Atmospheric

532
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,240
Research.
But this right here, if you ever

533
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:57,280
want to find a good article to
read on how nuclear war would

534
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,960
affect our atmosphere, this is a
phenomenal, phenomenal article

535
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,120
by David Hosanski.
Very good.

536
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,840
University Corporation, right?
Yep, University Corporation for

537
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,080
Atmospheric Research.
So they get paid for stuff A.

538
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:16,280
Lot of people do, yes.
I mean, it is what it is.

539
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,360
You get paid, obviously, when
you're lying.

540
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,120
I mean, I give that Jeremy.
Geez.

541
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,320
I, I, I get paid half a penny
per listen on this podcast.

542
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,480
Liar.
So so.

543
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,280
Let's say I I don't discount
that they might be getting paid

544
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,240
to disseminate certain types of
information in certain fashions.

545
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,200
Yeah.
I mean, if this was a bigger

546
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,440
outlet, maybe, right?
This isn't a huge outlet.

547
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:44,560
This is a very, dare I say,
educational outlet, although I

548
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,040
mean, I could see the argument
there too.

549
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:47,760
I don't know.
Well, I mean, the American

550
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,560
education system is designed to
create workers, not intelligent

551
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,840
people, so that's not really an
argument for how it's legit.

552
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,840
Well, this is definitely for
intelligent people.

553
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,280
This is.
This is not.

554
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,440
This is.
Do they use big words?

555
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,600
They do use.
You can use, you can use 4

556
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,400
syllable words and make it sound
like it's for intelligent people

557
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,200
when you're really just feeding
them nonsense.

558
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,240
Or you're feeding, or you have
intelligent people and you're

559
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,080
feeding them nonsense.
Atmosphere.

560
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,520
Nope, that's everybody knows
what the atmosphere is, but

561
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,240
nobody knows what stress I have
my screen split so I've.

562
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,760
Heard that word before?
No, it's.

563
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,920
Like, but like, I mean like,
like if you take, if you, if you

564
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,760
have really intelligent people
and you throw big words at them,

565
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,920
it kind of like strokes their
ego a little bit, right?

566
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,520
They're like, oh, I know what
those mean.

567
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,840
And you can make them
intelligent people are very easy

568
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,040
to manipulate.
Are they?

569
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,480
Yeah.
Because they have, they tend to

570
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,040
have really big egos that they
give in to them constantly.

571
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,360
They're not, they're not aware
of their own arrogance when it

572
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,600
comes to how smart they are.
So you throw big words at them

573
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,560
and stuff.
It's you know who also has from

574
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,680
big egos.
Stupid people.

575
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:50,800
They have big.
Egos too.

576
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,440
They do.
You are 100.

577
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,680
Percent correct, you're a. 100%
correct.

578
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,680
Stimulate me, CJ.
When you get when you get here

579
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:01,640
in.
October we'll have a

580
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,080
conversation.
Stimulate my neuron.

581
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,720
CJ All.
Right.

582
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,560
You guys ready to move on?
Yeah.

583
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,280
All right, we we only spent 30.
Minutes on this listen when Jeff

584
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,640
when Jeff comes.
Back, I'll let him start telling

585
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,040
you everything is fake and I'll
take a back seat but almost got

586
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,560
to fill the void until then when
Jeff comes back I'm going to

587
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,280
have to.
Narrow this down to to two

588
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,080
briefings and a half a deep dive
because Jeff, when Jeff comes

589
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,520
back, I'm.
Going to have a teammate, that's

590
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,160
what's going to happen.
You guys are ganged up on all.

591
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:37,120
Right now we are moving on to
briefing #2 between February.

592
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,640
20th and. 22nd 2026 Researchers
at the University of Barcelona

593
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,840
published findings in Nature
Astronomy that reveals something

594
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,040
extraordinary happening in the
Milky Way.

595
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:54,080
A star cluster called Palomar 5
is being devoured from the

596
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,240
inside by a swarm of over 100
black holes.

597
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,080
Let me explain what we're
looking at here.

598
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,960
Palomar 5 is what astronomers
call a globular star cluster.

599
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,520
These are dense, spherical
collections of stars that orbit

600
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,720
galaxies.
They're ancient, typically

601
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,360
billions of years old, and they
contain hundreds of thousands or

602
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,680
even millions of stars packed
into a relatively small volume

603
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,080
of space.
Palomar 5 is located about

604
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,280
80,000 light years from Earth.
It's one of the most studied

605
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,400
globular clusters in the Milky
Way because it has something

606
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:31,040
unusual, A tidal system.
A tidal stream is a trail of

607
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,360
stars that have been pulled away
from the cluster by

608
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,800
gravitational forces.
Think of it like a ribbon of

609
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,280
stars stretching across space.
In Palomar 5's case, the stream

610
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,240
spans 30,000 light years, more
than the width of the entire

611
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,280
Milky Way's disc.
For years, owners couldn't

612
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:53,200
figure out why Palomar Five had
such a title stream.

613
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,360
Most globular clusters don't
shed stars this aggressively.

614
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,840
Something was pulling the
cluster apart faster than

615
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,920
expected and now we know what it
is, The.

616
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,160
Research team.
Led by Doctor Mark Giels at the

617
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,760
University of Barcelona used
data from the European Space

618
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,640
agencies Gaia Space Observatory
to map the cluster in

619
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,920
unprecedented detail.
Gaia measures the positions,

620
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,320
distances and motions of
billions of stars with extreme

621
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,800
precision.
What they found is this Palomar

622
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:28,040
5 contains over 100 stellar mass
black holes.

623
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,080
Each one is roughly 20 times the
mass of our sun.

624
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,120
And here's the critical part.
These black holes make up about

625
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,960
20% of the cluster's total mass.
That's three times higher than

626
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,680
what astronomers expected.
In most star clusters, black

627
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,720
holes are rare.
They're the remnants of massive

628
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,800
stars that collapsed at the end
of their lives.

629
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,760
And because black holes are
heavy and interact

630
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,920
gravitationally with other
stars, they tend to sink toward

631
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,800
the center of a cluster and
eventually get ejected through

632
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,360
gravitational interactions.
But in Palomar 5, black holes

633
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,400
that didn't get ejected, they
stayed, and they started eating

634
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,640
the cluster from the inside.
Here's how it works.

635
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,840
The black holes in Palomar 5
orbit within the cluster

636
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,400
alongside the stars.
Because they're so massive, the

637
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,000
gravity is much stronger.
As they move through the

638
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,440
cluster, they gravitationally
interact with stars, pulling on

639
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,679
them, slinging them around, and
gradually kicking them out of

640
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:22,040
the cluster entirely.
This process is called dynamical

641
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,400
ejection, and it's why Palomar 5
has such a long tidal stream.

642
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,320
The black holes are accelerating
the cluster's dissolution, Dr.

643
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,159
Deals said.
This quote, the title stream

644
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:36,159
we're seeing is the graveyard of
stars that couldn't escape the

645
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:38,760
gravitational chaos created by
the black holes.

646
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,120
Now here's where it gets really
interesting.

647
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,800
The research team ran computer
simulations to model the future

648
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,679
of Palomar 5, and what they
found is that in about 1 billion

649
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:51,800
years, the cluster will
completely dissolve.

650
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,760
All the stars will be gone,
stripped away and scattered

651
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,920
across the Galaxy, and all that
will remain is a string of black

652
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,640
holes orbiting the Milky Way.
A swarm of over 100 black holes,

653
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:07,160
each 120 times the mass of our
sun, traveling together in a

654
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,080
loose formation throughout the
Galaxy.

655
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,240
Now, before anyone panics, this
swarm is not heading toward

656
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:14,520
Earth.
Palomar 5 is 80,000 light years

657
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,840
away, and its orbit takes it
around the outer region of the

658
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,600
Galaxy.
We're technically in no danger

659
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,600
from this, but conceptually,
this is significant.

660
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,040
First, it challenges what we
thought we knew about globular

661
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,200
clusters.
Astronomers assumed that black

662
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,600
holes in clusters would get
ejected quickly.

663
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,080
But Palomar 5 proves that under
certain conditions, black holes

664
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,000
can dominate a cluster, stick
around for billions of years,

665
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,160
and slowly consume it.
Second, it explains the mystery

666
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,160
of tidal streams.
There are other globular

667
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,160
clusters in the Milky Way with
unusually long tidal streams,

668
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,240
and astronomers have struggled
to explain them.

669
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,800
This discovery suggests that
many of those clusters might

670
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,720
also be harboring swarms, black
holes.

671
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,680
Third, it raises questions about
dark matter.

672
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,160
Globular clusters are often used
to study dark matter because

673
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,080
their gravitational behavior can
reveal invisible mass.

674
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:11,520
But if some of that invisible
mass is actually black holes,

675
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,280
not dark matter, it complicates
our of how dark matter works in

676
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,080
our galaxies.
And 4th, it gives us a glimpse

677
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,120
of a cosmic process we've never
directly observed the formation

678
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,960
of free floating black hole
clusters.

679
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,760
In a billion years, when Palomar
5 is gone, what's left won't be

680
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,720
a star cluster anymore.
It'll be a black hole cluster, a

681
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:33,760
gravitational bounce swarm of
invisible objects silently

682
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,480
orbiting the Galaxy, potentially
interacting with anything that

683
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,760
gets too close.
Now here's the fringe angle.

684
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,760
Some researchers have speculated
about rogue black hole swarms

685
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,760
traveling through the
undetected.

686
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,200
The idea is that these swarms
could gravitationally disrupt

687
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,720
star systems, planets, or even
trigger extinction events if

688
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:53,920
they pass close enough to a
solar system.

689
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,760
Mainstream astronomers say
that's extremely unlikely.

690
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,200
Space is vast, and even a swarm
of 100 black holes is a tiny

691
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,880
target in the cosmic void.
The odds of such a swarm passing

692
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,640
through our solar system are
astronomically low.

693
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,040
But the discovery of Palomar 5
proves that black hole swarms

694
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,120
are real.
They exist, they form naturally,

695
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,200
and they persist for billions of
years.

696
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,000
So the question isn't whether
black hole swarms are possible.

697
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,040
They are.
The question is how many of them

698
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,200
are out there, and are there any
heading our way?

699
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,240
So here's the bottom line.
Astronomers discovered over 100

700
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:31,560
black holes tearing apart as
star cluster 80,000 light years

701
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,800
away.
In a billion years, the cluster

702
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,760
will be gone, leaving only a
stream of black holes orbiting

703
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,880
the Galaxy.
And this discovery is forcing

704
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,720
scientists to rethink how
globular clusters die, how black

705
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:44,640
holes behave in groups and
weather.

706
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,040
Invisible swarms of black holes
are silently drifting through

707
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,280
the Milky Way.
So, Jake CJ does the idea of a

708
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,680
black hole swarm cruising
through the Galaxy freak you out

709
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,520
at all?
Or is this just another cosmic

710
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,200
process we don't need to worry
about?

711
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,320
How does?
How does one of these?

712
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,080
Things form does like a black
hole roll up on another black

713
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,800
hole start throwing up like gang
signs and like they click up and

714
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,160
then they start going through
the how does this how does this

715
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,840
happen?
So a lot of black holes.

716
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:17,560
Are actually super compressed
star matter there's many

717
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,000
different ways that that stars
can die right they can go

718
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,920
supernova they I know how a
black hole was created why does

719
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:23,400
it.
Have to be.

720
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,280
What do they get?
How do they right?

721
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:26,600
Right.
Do you all you see is color?

722
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,840
No, like how do they get how do
they get together and then start

723
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,160
cruising through galactic
neighborhoods fucking the place

724
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,440
up?
Like how does that happen?

725
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,960
So globular clusters.
OK, this is I'm going way back

726
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,920
in into my, my college days when
I was in astronomy.

727
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,920
Globular clusters are super
densely packed regions of space

728
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,760
and they're actually one of the
most studied objects or

729
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:58,400
groupings in space.
And they're best studied for

730
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:03,200
utilizing the Doppler effect to
see the expansion of space.

731
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,920
Globular Globular clusters are
thought to be some of the oldest

732
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,880
structures in all of space that
we can that we know of.

733
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:18,160
And the reason for that is
because of the density the

734
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,600
gravitational.
Field.

735
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,920
Created by the dense amount of
stars in a globular cluster

736
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:30,960
creates this almost residence
based hold right?

737
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,320
And that makes it difficult for
anything to escape.

738
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,920
Now, if you have a ton of these
stars and they're all

739
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,960
gravitationally held within
these clusters and they start

740
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:45,200
going supernova, they start
collapsing amongst themselves or

741
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:50,120
into themselves.
These very dense areas of space

742
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:54,800
are just naturally going to
create a dense cluster of black

743
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,320
holes as well.
So it's not necessarily that

744
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,840
they're wandering through space
and being like, yo, what up bro?

745
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,680
Let's let's gang up on all these
other stars.

746
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,640
It's that they're actually being
formed inside of these globular

747
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,400
clusters just because of the
sheer Valium.

748
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,760
Of stars in there.
And they are.

749
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,680
They're, as far as we can tell,
they're very, very old.

750
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,720
OK.
So the fact that a lot of these

751
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:25,080
stars have already collapsed on
themselves, gone supernova or

752
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:31,800
fizzled out into white dwarves
is not unexpected.

753
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,640
Does that make sense?
Yeah.

754
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:35,840
No.
No, no, it makes sense.

755
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,800
I, I I.
Just wanted to know how these

756
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,200
clusters got.
But so basically a bunch of

757
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,320
stars die, they turn into
zombies and they make other star

758
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,760
zombies and they start cruising
through and spinning their own

759
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,960
block and just making more star
zombies.

760
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,280
And you know what?
Fuck it.

761
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,120
Yeah, that that works.
We'll go that because like,

762
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:53,480
because like as they they're
they're.

763
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,680
Killing other stars by consuming
them right?

764
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,400
And like so if they can, if
these black holes consume

765
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,040
another star, do those stars
become black holes or they just

766
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,880
swallowed stars being?
Sucked in by black holes are

767
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,680
consumed now.
It's not great for them then

768
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,520
then they don't get to.
Beat black holes as well.

769
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,480
Well, they're Or do they just
make the black?

770
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,240
Hole bigger black.
Hole like how does that work?

771
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:16,200
No, no.
Basically.

772
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:20,160
It's an old ass *.
System where say like there's

773
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,880
multiple stars in there?
No, no, I understood that like

774
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,040
we have this cluster.
Of stars.

775
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,400
Stars get old, they start to
die.

776
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,160
They make this cluster, they're
not eating the other stars

777
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,760
around them.
What I'm asking is, when they

778
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,600
consume these stars, does that
make the black hole larger?

779
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,000
Does it give it motion?
Slightly but not nearly as much.

780
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,800
As you would think it does OK
like holes.

781
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,040
Actually the the gravitational
force from black holes are so

782
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,440
strong that the influence that
is put on them by typical

783
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,000
astronomical bodies is very
minute.

784
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,000
You would have to have pretty
much another black hole effect,

785
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,240
a black hole with its own
gravitational mass.

786
00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:06,280
You ever heard of a quasar?
OK, so a quasar is again, man,

787
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,560
this is very nominal
understanding.

788
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:16,440
There's there's no real
nothing's for certain in in

789
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,040
astronomy, right?
A lot of it is absurd.

790
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,440
And then try to fill in the
blanks you best can, right?

791
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,680
And I, I, I could sit down with
an astronomer tonight and

792
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,800
they'll tell me that I'm stupid
and I don't know what I'm

793
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,680
talking about.
So like that.

794
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,560
So they have the facts, but the,
the truth is, is that nobody's

795
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,440
been alive for billions of years
to be able to see these

796
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,720
processes happen.
So, so then basically what we

797
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:38,200
have is.
In layman's turn, we have a

798
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,800
cluster of stars and it's now
imploding, right?

799
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,120
Star structure that they make
black holes and it's starting to

800
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,200
implode on it.
So he said it's held together by

801
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,240
a gravitational field.
So these stars, they die and

802
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:50,720
they're consuming the stars
around them.

803
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:53,240
So we have this globular cluster
you called it.

804
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:54,080
Yeah.
Yeah.

805
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,040
So it's imploding, right?
It's sucking itself and it's

806
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,720
killing itself.
If we think of the cluster as

807
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:05,040
like 1 body of made-up of
several bodies, No, I mean it's.

808
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,280
It's got it's, it's so big that
it's got its own areas within it

809
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,480
which are being affected in
different ways.

810
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,720
So it's not necessarily that the
entire globular structure is

811
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,920
collapsing onto itself.
There's enough space in there to

812
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,760
where you'd have these pin holes
with black holes that are

813
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,920
affecting other solar
structures.

814
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,720
None of this is real.
Space is fake.

815
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,040
I'm questions are over.
I'm I'm going to bring up.

816
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,720
A thing.
I did a long time ago if I can

817
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:36,840
find it.
It's been a.

818
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:42,840
While I say that if it is.
Really, something that's

819
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,840
happening, then it's not
something that needs to be

820
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,240
worried about because there's
nothing we could do about it.

821
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:53,440
If they decided to decide to
take a a sharp right hand turn,

822
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,360
missed Albuquerque and ended up
right in our solar system,

823
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,400
right, there'd be nothing we
could do.

824
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,080
It would happen so fast and we'd
all die in a terrifying way all

825
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,520
together.
It would just go out and watch

826
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,680
the way it is.
Actually, doesn't quantum

827
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,640
physics say?
Like if you if we were to be

828
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,960
sucked into a black hole, it
would what is that?

829
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,360
Like spaghetti us first.
Like it would stretch us.

830
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,360
Like it would be really weird,
right?

831
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:17,800
Like it would.
Well, I mean, it'd be

832
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,000
horrifying, isn't that?
All die together.

833
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,040
Well, I don't even know if it
would be horrifying.

834
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,360
It would be very.
Fast, right?

835
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,280
But it isn't like I said.
Then they call that like

836
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,880
spaghetti effect.
Am I thinking of the right

837
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,040
thing?
No, it'd be like Hitchhiker's

838
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,720
guide.
To the Galaxy, everyone would be

839
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:34,080
screaming at the same time and
then it's gone.

840
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,760
You know I I could have swore
though when a black hole.

841
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,560
Swallows something.
It does something called the

842
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:45,640
spaghetti effect and and it like
super stretches something out

843
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,880
and then like sucks it all in at
once.

844
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:53,320
I'm trying to find something.
Right now I don't know if I have

845
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,080
it anymore.
Oh my gosh, my typing skills

846
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,720
are.
Terrible Tonight we're going to

847
00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:00,920
we're going to go ahead and just
hope that perplexity can define

848
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,720
one Oh my God, I.
Was right.

849
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:06,320
It's called.
Spaghettification.

850
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,320
It's an extreme tidal.
Effect caused by a very strong,

851
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,920
uneven gravitational field near
a black hole.

852
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,840
If you fell on feet first, your
feet would feel much stronger

853
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,000
gravity than your head, so you'd
be stretched lengthwise and

854
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,760
squeeze from the sides like a
long new.

855
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,280
It does the same thing.
The stars are glass gas clouds.

856
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,280
Yeah.
I wouldn't worry about any of

857
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,040
this because it like if any of
this was going to happen like

858
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,800
all you could do is look up and
go well we're fucked Yep bye and

859
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,360
then we all get stretched.
Into spaghetti and sucked into

860
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,280
the void.
Yeah, yeah.

861
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:40,920
You know what?
I'm.

862
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,120
I'm oddly comfortable with being
turned into spaghetti before

863
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,840
dying.
Like if I'm calling out if you,

864
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,480
if you gotta go.
But Spaghetti's amazing.

865
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,600
Who doesn't?
Like, have you ever met a person

866
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,600
ever who was like Spaghetti's
gross?

867
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,200
I've met people who like
spaghetti is a side dish.

868
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,800
Like I met people who will tell
you spaghetti is a side dish,

869
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,040
not a main course.
And we can debate that all day.

870
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,840
But I've never met somebody who
thought spaghetti was gross.

871
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,240
So like if if a black hole, I'm
oddly comfortable with that

872
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:10,840
situation.
But like, there's a planet made

873
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,640
of spaghetti.
There's no point in worrying

874
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,640
about any of that.
Like, that is so far beyond our

875
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,960
power that like, getting upset
or being afraid of it or

876
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,040
worrying about it would just
detriment your day-to-day life.

877
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,800
I think that scientists.
Bring things like this up or

878
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,760
like the idea that an asteroid
could pass within like 100

879
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,120
billion light years of us and
stuff like that.

880
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,920
It's just like just to get a
rise out of people and be like,

881
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,240
I found it.
We found it from now for.

882
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:40,520
Nothing.
It's simple.

883
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,000
One second.
It's similar, it's similar to

884
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,440
like people being scared of God
coming back, right?

885
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:46,920
They're like, Oh my God, I'm so
scared.

886
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,320
God's coming back.
It's like, all right, so just

887
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:54,240
don't be a Dick, so.
Like don't be an don't don't.

888
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:57,200
Be, don't, don't do the things
that God doesn't like and you

889
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,360
don't have nothing to worry
about, right?

890
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,560
Like he, he very clearly defined
the things to not do.

891
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,600
He didn't say the things to do.
He said the things to not do.

892
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,720
And if you don't do those
things, you, you might be OK,

893
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:13,160
you might get a chance, right?
So so here is our.

894
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,400
I I I've, I've, I have literally
hundreds of write ups.

895
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,400
You're on things, Jeremy.
I, I, I, I know you know how

896
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,080
hard it was to fill time while.
You were looking for that, I

897
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,520
know, I'm sorry.
Anyways.

898
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:29,240
So I I wrote up this
presentation a long time ago

899
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:34,160
about are UFOs extraterrestrial
and origin and inside this.

900
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,120
There is my.
Section on globular clusters.

901
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:48,600
So I'll just read this.
Astronomers get the lower.

902
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,360
End of the age of the universe
by looking at what are called

903
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,240
globular clusters, which are
very dense and spherical shaped

904
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:55,560
collections of millions of
stars.

905
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,840
According to NASA, the National
Aeronautics and Space

906
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,160
Administration, if we were in
one of these globular clusters,

907
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,360
there would be several 100,000
stars closer to us than the

908
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,840
previous mentioned Proxima
Centauri.

909
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:12,000
So obviously there's going to be
parts that I'm referencing here

910
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,400
from earlier in this this
presentation.

911
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,360
The reason why astronomers are
specifically interested in these

912
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,360
astral structures is due to
their ancient age.

913
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,040
These are the oldest objects or
groups of objects in our

914
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,120
observable universe, which
allows us to get to lower end of

915
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,160
our universe's estimated age
after we determine how old the

916
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:36,080
stars are in the clusters.
Although the real ordinary that

917
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,360
part that you just went.
Over is that insinuating Big

918
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,560
Bang Theory like that's like the
like part of origin of like Big

919
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,200
Bang like that's where it was
like yes, so globular, globular.

920
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,800
Clusters are thought to be
structures in space that are

921
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,720
closest in age to the origin of
The Big Bang.

922
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,920
OK, yes, all, although the real.
Origins.

923
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,680
Of globular clusters is a
mystery.

924
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,360
There are multiple theories on
how they come to be.

925
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,960
One such theory is that they
come from events that occurred

926
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,520
on or around the first few
billion years of the universe's

927
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,560
existence.
Another idea is that they are

928
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:12,000
simply the rebirth cycle of
stars in a nebula after a parent

929
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,680
star has gone supernova.
But for the point of our

930
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,600
discussion today, we will focus
on the former theory.

931
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,480
Globular clusters are typically
found in what is referred to as

932
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,760
the Halo of a Galaxy, which is a
somewhat spherical region of

933
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,040
stars that encompass this is the
more visible and structural

934
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,720
portion of the Galaxy.
These globular clusters of stars

935
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,400
get swept in the gravitational
pulls of galaxies as they pass

936
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,160
by and are entrapped in their
Halos with many other astral

937
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,360
bodies that get collected during
the galaxy's lifetime.

938
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,320
Globular clusters are thought to
not be part of the original

939
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,960
makeup of galaxies and are
believed to by many to be

940
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,720
remnants from the era that
involves the origin event of the

941
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:51,720
universe due to them all being
roughly around the same age.

942
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,440
An estimation that has arrived
at by measuring the light color

943
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,440
and intensity as well as the
mass of stars in question.

944
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,800
A concept that I will expand
upon in the next section and.

945
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,880
That is what makes these.
Clusters of stars so important

946
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,800
to astronomers and those that
look at questions on whether or

947
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,080
not UFOs come from
extraterrestrial sources.

948
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,920
So this is a whole break off
section that I that I wrote up.

949
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:18,360
Are you guys getting anything
from this?

950
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,240
I don't think me or Jake are
going to believe.

951
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:24,480
That me because I think space is
fake and Jeremy and Jake because

952
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,640
there's no way he believes in
The Big Bang.

953
00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:30,840
But I'll just.
I'll just stop for you.

954
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,040
I believe that God spoke.
The universe into existence, if

955
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,680
you want to call that a Big
Bang, you know, then it is what

956
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,480
it is.
But it certainly didn't come

957
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,280
from nothing.
It came from a creator.

958
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:45,400
But but at the same time, I do
believe the Earth is expanding

959
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,520
from a singular point.
So it is, you know, from the

960
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:54,040
point of origin.
But you know, how that happened,

961
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,560
you know, remains to be seen.
But yeah, I got something out of

962
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,880
that.
But I would, I would be curious.

963
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:04,160
So I don't believe that the
gravity that we experience here

964
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:09,040
here on Earth is exclusively
from the rotation of the Earth.

965
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,440
It is not.
There has to be a lot that.

966
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,800
Comes from the.
Sun and so I would be curious as

967
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,520
to what the gravitational
differences would be on a planet

968
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,320
that was in one of these
globular clusters where there's

969
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,920
so many gravitational forces
much closer than we experienced

970
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,520
here on Earth with the distance
between our solar system and the

971
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,720
next.
If they were closer together,

972
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,800
how would that affect gravity?
I mean, would we've experienced,

973
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,680
you know, 20 GS on a day-to-day
basis where we could barely

974
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:43,880
function or where we we adapt to
be able to handle that amount of

975
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,400
G's?
Like what would that look like?

976
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,600
That would be very interesting.
Orbital lock and something we'll

977
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,080
never know.
It would, no.

978
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:55,200
No, it would look like orbital.
Lock right, so it was.

979
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,360
Explained.
By why can I never remember

980
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:01,440
anyone's name?
The man's name anyway.

981
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,800
So when the sun the sun exerts
a.

982
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,960
Star exerts.
Gravitational force on a planet

983
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,680
and it and it orbits and you
have the moon, right?

984
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,600
The reason we can't we only see
one side of the moon is between

985
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,200
the sun's gravitational field
and the Earth's gravitational

986
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,640
field.
The the the moon is orbitally

987
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,800
locked on the planet, so we only
get 1 space.

988
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,320
So when you have that many
gravitational fields, it would

989
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,000
orbit lock the planet.
It wouldn't.

990
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,480
It wouldn't rotate.
It wouldn't care.

991
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:34,480
Careful.
Careful, because the our moon is

992
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,240
an anomaly.
It's not normal.

993
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:42,080
There's there's plenty of I just
literally.

994
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,800
Watched a Neil deGrasse Tyson
video on I don't give a fuck

995
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,040
what Neil deGrasse Tyson.
Talks about that guy is that guy

996
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,320
is the biggest fucking sellout.
Then then he needs to explain

997
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,960
what every other moon is in in
our solar system and why they're

998
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,760
not facially locked now.
I mean, yes, the art, you know

999
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,040
there Jeremy just got when
heart.

1000
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,200
He was like, I don't give a fuck
what that guy.

1001
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:08,840
Says he's talking about shit
that's fake anyway so I mean.

1002
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,520
OK, there's, there's plenty of
moons in our solar system.

1003
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,040
OK, Yeah, there's only one moon
in our solar system that's

1004
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,120
locked in the way that our moon
is.

1005
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,320
That's our moon.
It's the only one.

1006
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:22,600
Everything else.
Rotates.

1007
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:26,040
Yes, it is so Pluto in its moon.
Pluto.

1008
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,280
Pluto Space.
Pluto is.

1009
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,880
Pluto isn't even considered a
planet guy but it is they

1010
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,360
reinstate.
They reinstated it.

1011
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:37,360
No, it's not on the.
Elliptical plane I could have

1012
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,880
swore that they reinstated.
Pluto, like a couple Pluto is

1013
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,640
literally not on the elliptical.
Plane.

1014
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,760
Fuck you, Pluto's a planet
anyway.

1015
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,200
In February 2020, sixth, a
family.

1016
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,040
Of three ported sightings of to
the big no.

1017
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:50,400
Like what I'm saying is like
but.

1018
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,600
Pluto, like the face.
The face of Pluto that faces its

1019
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,760
moon always faces, and the face
of its moon that faces Pluto.

1020
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,440
Oh wait, they always face the
exact same spot.

1021
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,560
Like they never.
They never change.

1022
00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:04,560
So it's not.
Pluto.

1023
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,960
Pluto is like.
If Pluto has a moon, I don't

1024
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,520
know this for fact.
In fact, I am pretty sure it's

1025
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:11,800
probably.
I'm pretty sure it's.

1026
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,560
Pluto.
I'm pretty sure it's just.

1027
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:16,000
Because.
It doesn't fit your.

1028
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,080
Narrative doesn't mean you don't
get to say it doesn't exist.

1029
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,040
No, no, no.
It I, I don't, I don't go by.

1030
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,120
Narratives if you can prove me
wrong and I will absolutely be

1031
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,120
like oh OK that's cool yeah hold
on I'm I'm gonna try to find

1032
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,440
the.
Source real fast, but astronomy

1033
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,480
changes.
Super fast, you know you know

1034
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,120
that, right?
Like, I mean how?

1035
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,640
Just just like you said.
Just because.

1036
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,080
They're they're just because I
don't give up.

1037
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,840
There was a point when total.
Was not a move.

1038
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,000
Listen, I.
I love planet stuff.

1039
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,440
It was so hold on.
Yeah, I mean as you can.

1040
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,920
See.
I have a ton of write ups on

1041
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,760
astronomy stuff, I just never
bring it up because I think it's

1042
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,600
going to bore people to death.
That's fine.

1043
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:51,520
It's.
Like, yeah.

1044
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,400
Pretty fucking boring.
But like look not.

1045
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:55,400
Boring.
It's just.

1046
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,440
Dumb.
I I have some old textbooks.

1047
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:58,400
No, I'm.
I'm right.

1048
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,840
So Pluto.
And its largest moon car.

1049
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,040
Did you just Google something
and tell me that you're right

1050
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:04,880
car?
Runner mutually, tidally.

1051
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,600
Locked meaning the same face of
Pluto always faces car on in the

1052
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,600
same face of car on always faces
Pluto.

1053
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:14,080
So I'm not retarded, OK.
Or maybe bleeped up that word.

1054
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,680
Let's not use that word.
I'm not stupid.

1055
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:20,920
I knew what I was talking about.
I I didn't Google it.

1056
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:25,640
I perplexed it first of all, so.
But no like, did you?

1057
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,800
Did you know that Pluto is
literally?

1058
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,120
Smaller than our moon.
OK, So what the fuck is a moon

1059
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,200
to Pluto?
They're probably orbiting each

1060
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,200
other.
It's the same thing as a binary

1061
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,160
star system like does.
Hold on.

1062
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,400
If you have if you have two
bodies.

1063
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,720
Orbiting each other, huh?
This size dictate if something's

1064
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:44,560
a.
Planet or a moon?

1065
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,520
That's what I'm saying.
Like in in the vastics.

1066
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,480
Like given the size of the
universe, does the fact that

1067
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,760
Pluto is smaller than our moon
actually matter if its moon is

1068
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:54,920
in scale?
Right.

1069
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:56,920
I'm just I'm just saying so
below.

1070
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,440
Macrocosmic.
The microcosm like I mean, I, I

1071
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,920
don't, I don't know this for a.
Fact man, because I'd I'd never

1072
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,280
really looked at Pluto that much
because I don't give a shit.

1073
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:08,760
But if it doesn't air, that's
why.

1074
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:14,000
No, Pluto is so fucking small.
That if it did have a moon, it's

1075
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,320
they're probably gravitationally
influencing each other as

1076
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:23,240
they're orbiting on a non
elliptical orbit around the sun,

1077
00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:26,320
right?
They're it's probably rotating

1078
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:30,560
around a central point.
Now I'm going to say I could be.

1079
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,080
Wrong, but I'm fairly certain
that in order to become tidally

1080
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,560
locked you need to have the
influence of 1/3 body's

1081
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,640
gravitational field.
You can't be tidally locked

1082
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,600
based on to like.
Like if this microphone in this

1083
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,560
bottle here were orbiting each
other, they couldn't tidally

1084
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,480
lock each other.
It would need the gravitational

1085
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,320
field of my monitor here in
order to tidally lock it.

1086
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,960
It it you need the third body?
Have you ever heard of the third

1087
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,280
body problem?
OK, well, you should probably

1088
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,720
look that up because it's
completely unpredictable.

1089
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,720
It is one of the the questions
that literally cannot be

1090
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:05,000
answered.
Don't.

1091
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,720
And when you look at the third
body problem, don't.

1092
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,080
You're going to get a whole
bunch of stuff about the TV

1093
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,080
show, about the book.
Ignore that.

1094
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:15,480
Ask what the actual third body
problem is has to deal.

1095
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,160
With a three star.
System A Tri solar system if you

1096
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:24,240
will, and it strictly has to
strictly has to deal with how 3

1097
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,640
gravitational bodies orbit each
other in an unpredictable way

1098
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,440
about to end a relationship
based off.

1099
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,720
Whether or not Pluto's big
enough to be considered a

1100
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,040
planet, No way dude, this is
fun.

1101
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,240
This is fun.
I'm educating CJ.

1102
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,040
Yeah, you're like, read it you.
Read it out loud for the class

1103
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:41,720
CJ.
Hold on, I got to read it to

1104
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,280
myself first.
You got to read it out loud for

1105
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:45,000
the.
Class.

1106
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,160
I want to know information.
See how?

1107
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,960
Much it is to read.
For oh OK, it's not that much

1108
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,360
all right in outer space, the
three body problem is the

1109
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,560
challenge of predicting how
three objects move when they all

1110
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,320
pull on each other with gravity.
For example, a star, planet and

1111
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,560
a moon.
In the two body case, like Earth

1112
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,240
and Sun, Newton's law gives neat
close form orbits, ellipses, and

1113
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,240
parabolas.
With three gravitating bodies,

1114
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,200
the equations of motion become
so complicated and sets to do

1115
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,440
initial conditions.
There's no single general

1116
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,600
formula that gives their
positions for all time.

1117
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,000
Tiny changes in starting
position speeds can lead to

1118
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,880
wildly different future mode.
But that doesn't contradict

1119
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,120
anything I just said.
What it what I said is in order

1120
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,880
to become gravitation lock, you
need a third body.

1121
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,000
Not that it always happens, it's
just in order.

1122
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,040
Don't be tidally locked.
You need the third body.

1123
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:36,000
Do not need a third body.
In fact, the best way to become

1124
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,360
tidally locked is for two
similar mass structures to be

1125
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,280
orbiting each other.
Our moon is an anomaly.

1126
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,160
It is not normal.
Well, I did have that.

1127
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:47,200
Backwards.
OK, no.

1128
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,560
You're right, I know.
But yeah, be humble A.

1129
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:53,000
Little bit.
Damn, All right, we're.

1130
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,960
Ready to move on to the?
3rd briefing 1/3 body can.

1131
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,880
Influence tidal locking, but
it's not required.

1132
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:05,160
So we're both right.
No, listen, you piqued my

1133
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:06,760
interest.
I I don't give a shit about

1134
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,400
aliens, but I like this stuff.
And now you got me looking at

1135
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,920
stuff so well if you want some
very interesting reading.

1136
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,920
Material that's educational.
Let me know and I will help you

1137
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:15,960
out.
Jake's going to sleep.

1138
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:16,840
I know.
All right.

1139
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:18,320
Jake, you ready to listen about?
Big feet.

1140
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,160
Yeah, Bigfoot's Jake loves the
big.

1141
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,160
Feets, he's going.
To love the He's going to love

1142
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,120
this one because he's got a
personal story to go along with

1143
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:27,600
it.
Do I?

1144
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,240
Did Jake see a beautiful?
Finally.

1145
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,000
Yeah.
So calm down, calm down.

1146
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,400
Calm down in February 2026.
Family, many of three reported a

1147
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,880
sighting to the Bigfoot Field
Researchers Organization, or

1148
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,680
BFRO, that's been making waves
in the cryptozoology community.

1149
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:46,560
The location approximately 11
miles northwest of Durant in

1150
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:51,160
Bryan County, Oklahoma.
The witness or the witnesses, a

1151
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:55,040
family of three traveling along
a power line easement.

1152
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:59,720
What they saw A tall, bipedal
creature covered in dark hair

1153
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:01,240
walking upright across the
clearing.

1154
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,560
The BFRO classified this as a
Class A sighting.

1155
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,520
For those unfamiliar with Bfro's
classification system, here's

1156
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,720
how it works.
Class A sighting means the

1157
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:14,360
witness had a clear, unambiguous
view of a creature that could

1158
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,920
not be misidentified as a known
animal.

1159
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,920
These are reports where the
observer saw the creature at

1160
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:24,120
close range and good lighting,
and for long enough to rule out

1161
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,600
bears, large primates, or
humans.

1162
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,600
In costume, Class B sightings
are less definitive.

1163
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,560
Possible encounters,
vocalizations, footprints, or

1164
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:37,400
unclear glimpses that suggest a
Bigfoot but don't provide enough

1165
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,280
detail to confirm it.
Class A sightings are rare.

1166
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,960
They represent the most credible
reports in the BFRO database,

1167
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,960
and this one has several
elements that make it

1168
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:49,960
noteworthy.
First, the location.

1169
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,720
Power line easements are well
documented travel corridors for

1170
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,040
Bigfoot sightings across North
America.

1171
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,720
Here's why that matters.
Power line easements are long

1172
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,440
linear clearings cut through
forest to make room for high

1173
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,600
voltage transmission lines.
They provide open ground with

1174
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:09,240
relatively low vegetation, which
makes travel easier for large

1175
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,760
animals.
Deer, elk and bears use them,

1176
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,640
and according to researchers who
track Bigfoot sightings, so do

1177
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,680
Sasquatch.
These corridors offer a way to

1178
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,520
move between forested areas
without dense underbrush.

1179
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:25,080
They also provide sight lines,
which means witnesses traveling

1180
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,000
along these easements are more
likely to spot something moving

1181
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,080
across the clearing.
Oklahoma, specifically has a

1182
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:35,520
long history of Bigfoot reports.
The BFRO database lists dozens

1183
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,760
of sightings in that state.
The clusters in the southeastern

1184
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:43,680
counties near the Wichita
Mountains and along the Red

1185
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:48,800
River County where this sighting
occurred sits in that region.

1186
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,280
It's heavily forested, sparsely
populated, and bordered by the

1187
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,200
Red River to the South.
It's exactly the kind of terrain

1188
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,400
that Bigfoot researchers
considered prime habitat.

1189
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:00,920
Second, the witnesses, a family
of three.

1190
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,120
Multiple witnesses reduce the
likelihood of misidentification.

1191
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,560
When three people see the same
thing and agree on what they

1192
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,960
saw, it strengthens the
credibility of the report.

1193
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,960
It rules out individual
hallucination, fatigue, or even

1194
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,320
psychological suggestion.
Now, the BFRL report doesn't

1195
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,200
provide a lot of additional
detail.

1196
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,800
It doesn't mention whether the
family attempted to photograph

1197
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,200
or film a creature.
It doesn't describe

1198
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,440
vocalizations, unusual smells,
or physical evidence like

1199
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,800
footprints.
And that's significant because

1200
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,720
the absence of physical evidence
is one of the biggest criticisms

1201
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:34,920
skeptics have against Bigfoot
sightings.

1202
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,120
If you see a massive hair
covered creature walking upright

1203
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,480
in broad daylight, why wouldn't
you pull out?

1204
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,240
Your phone and record it.
Why wouldn't you go back and

1205
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,880
look for tracks?
The BFRO report doesn't answer

1206
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:47,880
those questions.
It just documents what the

1207
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:51,720
family reported, which was a
tall bipedal creature crossing a

1208
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,160
power line easement.
But here's what makes this

1209
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,240
signing interesting from a
cryptozoological perspective.

1210
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,040
Big for reports are not random.
They do cluster.

1211
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,520
You follow patterns, and when
you map BFRO sightings across

1212
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,480
the United States, certain
regions light up the Pacific

1213
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,680
Northwest, meaning Washington,
Oregon, and Northern California

1214
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,520
has the highest concentration.
But the second highest

1215
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:17,040
concentration is in the South to
southeastern United States,

1216
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:20,680
particularly a region including
the Appalachians, the Ozarks,

1217
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:24,040
and the Owichita Mountains.
Oklahoma sits right in the

1218
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,800
middle of that second cluster,
and power line easements

1219
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,400
consistently show up as signing
locations.

1220
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,680
Researchers who study Bigfoot
behavior patterns have noted

1221
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,840
that sightings along power
lines, railroad tracks, and

1222
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:40,040
logging roads are
disproportionately high compared

1223
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,560
to deep forest sightings.
That suggests one of two things.

1224
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,360
Either Bigfoot actively use
these corridors for travel,

1225
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,640
which could indicate learned
behavior planning and spatial

1226
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,800
awareness, or witnesses are more
likely to see Bigfoot in open

1227
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,160
areas simply because there's
less cover.

1228
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,840
In dense forests you could walk
within 50 feet of a large animal

1229
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,600
and never see it, but in a
clearing you have sight lines.

1230
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,000
Both exlanations are lausible.
Now here's the broader context.

1231
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:08,480
Bigfoot sightings in 2026 are
down compared to the early

1232
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,800
2000's.
The BFRO database shows a peak

1233
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,760
in reports around 2010, followed
by a gradual decline.

1234
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,920
Some researchers attribute this
to smartphone saturation.

1235
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:23,160
The argument is that if Bigfoot
were real and as commonly seen

1236
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,120
as the report suggests, we'd
have clear, high resolution

1237
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,440
video evidence by now.
The absence of that evidence,

1238
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,400
despite everyone carrying a
camera, suggests that either

1239
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,880
Bigfoot doesn't exist or the
sightings are

1240
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:37,040
misidentifications.
But others argue the opposite.

1241
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,880
They say that as wilderness
areas shrink due to development,

1242
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,640
Bigfoot populations are being
pushed into more remote regions,

1243
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:48,360
making encounters rarer.
There's also a social stigma

1244
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,680
factor.
People who see something usually

1245
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:53,360
are less likely to report it
publicly because they don't want

1246
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,560
to be ridiculed.
They tell close friends or

1247
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:59,360
family, but they don't file an
official report with the BFRO.

1248
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,080
So the decline in reports might
not reflect a decline in

1249
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:03,800
sightings.
It might just reflect the

1250
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:05,520
decline in willingness to
report.

1251
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,240
Either way, this Oklahoma
sighting is a reminder that

1252
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,760
Bigfoot reports haven't stopped.
They're still happening, and

1253
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,200
they're still being documented
by researchers who take them

1254
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:15,720
seriously.
So here's the bottom line.

1255
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,440
A family of three reported a
clear, close range sighting of a

1256
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,840
tall bipedal creature crossing a
power line easement in Bryan

1257
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,360
County, Oklahoma.
The BFRO classified it as a

1258
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,240
Class A encounter.
The location fits known Bigfoot

1259
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,840
travel patterns, and while
there's no physical evidence,

1260
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,160
the report adds to a long
history of sightings in

1261
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:38,760
southeastern Oklahoma.
So Jake, CJ, what do you make of

1262
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,480
this one?
Does the power line corridor

1263
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:44,240
detail add credibility or is
this just another anecdotal

1264
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,000
report that doesn't move the
needle?

1265
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,040
Yes, Good.
OK, So what?

1266
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:56,240
Had happened.
Was when I was driving from when

1267
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:57,920
I was driving.
From California.

1268
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:02,520
To Wisconsin.
Moving here from after getting

1269
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,120
out of the Navy.
Start my new life here.

1270
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:11,160
I drove along the southern
states through what was once

1271
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:14,720
Route 66, all the way across.
I think it's the 40 now or

1272
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,480
something like that.
But anyway, drove across the

1273
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,960
southern states because I was
getting here in January and I

1274
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,640
didn't want to have to be
delayed due to snow and all

1275
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,560
kinds of stuff.
Which is good that I did that

1276
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:26,360
because actually one of the
towns I drove through in Arizona

1277
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,800
the next week got hammered with
snow.

1278
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:31,520
Like it was actually pretty
insane.

1279
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:37,240
But so this was 20 January 2024
when I got here.

1280
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:41,720
And basically what I did was I
was, I drove through Oklahoma, I

1281
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,560
want to say, I think Oklahoma's
right underneath Wisconsin.

1282
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,440
I drove right through Oklahoma
and then I basically went

1283
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,880
straight north right into
Wisconsin.

1284
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,360
So I did as much as I could in
the southern states before I

1285
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,760
went up.
But so there's this one of these

1286
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:57,840
days, I mean, this is day three
of driving, I want to say.

1287
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,520
And at this point I'm, you know,
I, I don't know, I don't know

1288
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:05,200
about anybody else, but I don't,
I'm not glued to the vehicle in

1289
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,480
front of me when I'm driving.
I tend to be pretty observant

1290
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:10,400
and I look around an awful lot.
But so I'm just driving across

1291
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,880
country with the exact same like
20 semi trucks the entire way

1292
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:18,040
essentially.
And so I'm going over an

1293
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:22,560
overpass and it's coming up and
it's pulling right.

1294
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:26,440
So I'm got this big wide curve,
I'm going up this overpass, I'm

1295
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:32,200
going around and on this on the
right hand side, there's trucks

1296
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:37,160
in front of me and trucks behind
me and there's an opening.

1297
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:39,240
Where there isn't.
Any trucks to my right hand

1298
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,680
side, I'm in the, I'm in like I
think the middle lane of a three

1299
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:44,960
lane highway or something like
that.

1300
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,800
But anyway, I'm, I'm going up or
maybe it's 2 and I'm on the, the

1301
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,440
outermost.
But so I'm going up and there's

1302
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:54,360
a space where I can look out and
see the field to the right of

1303
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:57,080
me.
And it's this large cow pasture

1304
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,880
essentially.
And it's between two big tree

1305
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:03,480
Groves.
And I see what looks like and

1306
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,560
keep in mind I'm glancing.
So as I'm looking forward and I

1307
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:10,320
glance over, this is what I see
and it looks like it looks like

1308
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:14,240
a like an 8 foot tall person, a
Gilly suit is hauling ass across

1309
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,520
a field.
And I'm like, I look and I'm

1310
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,520
like driving.
So I mean, there's there's semi

1311
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,120
trucks in front of me.
So I can't be sitting here like,

1312
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,800
oh, oh man, what's that?
Slam my brakes or anything,

1313
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:25,080
right?
I'm going to get killed.

1314
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:29,160
So it's just this matter of like
maybe 15 seconds where I'm just

1315
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,479
like, OK, that was weird.
I glanced back over.

1316
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:34,240
I'm still seeing this thing
focusing on the road.

1317
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,680
I'm glancing over.
I'm doing this, glancing over

1318
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:40,640
until another truck pulls to my
right and then I can't see

1319
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,040
anybody or can't see whatever it
is anymore.

1320
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,560
And we go across the thing and
we keep driving, right.

1321
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:50,920
So it took me a minute and I
called Jeremy and I'm like, and

1322
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:52,399
he answered the phone.
I think he's at work.

1323
01:08:52,399 --> 01:08:55,160
And I'm like, Jeremy.
So I need to tell you something.

1324
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,160
This is what I saw kind of
helped walk me through this.

1325
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:02,840
And we kind of narrowed it down
to where it was like, you know,

1326
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:06,160
what could it have been besides
a Bigfoot, right?

1327
01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:09,520
Because it's not like it's not
like Jeremy's interaction or

1328
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:12,040
like these people seeing this
thing, you know, just walk out,

1329
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,800
you know, kind of stretch,
stretch, scratch its butt and

1330
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:18,120
then walk into the woods again.
This was very, very quick.

1331
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,439
And so we narrowed it.
We kept narrowing it down,

1332
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:26,120
narrowing it down.
And so barring A7 or 8 foot tall

1333
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:31,399
Olympic athlete in full dead
Sprint wearing a ghillie suit

1334
01:09:31,399 --> 01:09:35,880
running across a cow pasture, it
must have been a Bigfoot, right?

1335
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:39,319
At first I thought that it was a
tree that was like this, which

1336
01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:41,479
is strange.
And then it was going like this

1337
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:46,080
and it was like full large
strides clearing this crazy

1338
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:49,680
distance in this 1015 seconds.
I was able to glance, glance,

1339
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,080
glance, glance, glance.
Before I couldn't.

1340
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,880
It wasn't visible anymore
because of the vehicle vehicles

1341
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:56,840
around me.
And so it was like, it was

1342
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:00,280
interesting.
And you know, I would be lying

1343
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:04,200
if I said I wasn't observing all
the things on the sides of the

1344
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,840
road as I was driving.
Not only because of roadkill,

1345
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,720
like on that drive was the first
time I actually saw a roadkill

1346
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:11,760
black bear, which was nuts,
right?

1347
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:15,000
It was like correct.
Pennsylvania, they're everywhere

1348
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:15,560
out here.
They're.

1349
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,320
They're everywhere up here now
too, but.

1350
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:18,920
It just like it.
It blew my.

1351
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:23,160
Mind, and this is after what,
three years of doing this show?

1352
01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:25,360
I've never seen anything like
that before.

1353
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:28,600
I heard vocals, I guess you
could say a Class B + a

1354
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:32,320
footprint in Dinky Creek,
California when I was when I was

1355
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,080
camping out there.
I actually sent the picture of

1356
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:38,920
the footprint to Jeremy, which
was super clearly defined as you

1357
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:42,000
could see the shape of it
because of how much dust was

1358
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,200
over there.
Because that whole area is like

1359
01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:47,360
super dehydrated, right?
It just dried out.

1360
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:50,600
But of course it was only one
footprint because if it was

1361
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,440
tracking through the middle of
the campsite, of course we had a

1362
01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:56,480
bunch of kids with us.
So all my brothers, friends

1363
01:10:56,480 --> 01:10:59,680
kids, and they were just kicking
up all the dirt and little kid

1364
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:03,240
footprints all over the place.
So it just completely like you

1365
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:05,120
couldn't see anything else
except for this one that was

1366
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:09,680
directly behind my tent.
And then past that was a bunch

1367
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,480
of pine needles and stuff like
that, right.

1368
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,280
And it you couldn't get a good
sinking effect into the ground

1369
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:19,000
because it was just dry dirt,
you know, but that with a bunch

1370
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:23,800
of vocalizations where a bunch
of tree knockings, yelling and

1371
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,720
things like that, like everyone
in the campsite shut up.

1372
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,960
Everyone was listening, holding
their breaths.

1373
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:32,960
And there was, you could hear
another campsite, probably in

1374
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:36,440
the ballpark of, I don't know, a
quarter mile from us.

1375
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:40,040
And they were hammered drunk,
playing their music super loud,

1376
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,240
screaming and all this sort of
stuff.

1377
01:11:42,480 --> 01:11:46,920
And then you hear this, the
loudest guttural scream mixed in

1378
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:51,720
with tree knockings.
And everyone just shut up and.

1379
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:55,040
I'm like trying to take.
A breath in my tent like this is

1380
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:56,720
freaking crazy.
I can't believe that.

1381
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,400
And the next day everyone's
like, did you hear that crap?

1382
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,280
Like they're freaking out,
right?

1383
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,760
Everyone heard it.
Everyone that I was there with

1384
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,920
heard it, but this is the first
time I actually saw anything.

1385
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:10,040
And, you know, and I did the
right thing and I didn't jump on

1386
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:11,960
it and get on the Internet.
You're so Bigfoot.

1387
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,360
You know, I hit up Jeremy and I
was like, hey, help walk me

1388
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,520
through this because I think
that I could have been fooling

1389
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,560
myself that, you know, help me
out here.

1390
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,720
So barring that, you know,
Olympic athlete, full dead

1391
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:25,120
Sprint wearing a ghillie suit
that also happens to be, you

1392
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,280
know, in the seven foot, 8 foot
range because it was it was big.

1393
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:31,040
It was way bigger than the cows
or at least taller than the cows

1394
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,680
that was running past, right?
That's what I think it was.

1395
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:37,560
So it doesn't surprise me that
this would happen also in

1396
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:41,320
Oklahoma.
For what reason the sightings

1397
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:45,280
have decreased in the last 20
years, 26 years, I don't know,

1398
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:49,000
but I'll tell you what.
Like.

1399
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:52,320
I, I didn't even have the
wherewithal at the time to take

1400
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:55,120
a screenshot of my GPS
coordinates.

1401
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:58,760
That's kind of how like struck I
was by this thing.

1402
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,120
And I like to put that out there
and be like, oh, why don't

1403
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,200
people take out their phones and
take a picture and all this sort

1404
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:05,760
of stuff.
I was so struck by the oddity of

1405
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:09,440
this that when I'm driving and I
have to drive, you know, two

1406
01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:13,320
hours back and forth to work or,
you know, sometimes I go on road

1407
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:14,920
trips and stuff.
If I'm going by like a cool

1408
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,920
fishing location that I want to
check out later, I'll zoom out

1409
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,360
on my, on my Google or my Apple
Maps.

1410
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:23,040
I'll take a screenshot so I know
where that location was.

1411
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,480
So then I can drop a pin and
then go back later, right.

1412
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,240
So I'm not like messing around
on my, my phone while I'm

1413
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:31,360
driving, but I'm just like real
quick, like this screenshot.

1414
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,520
I didn't even have the
wherewithal to take a screenshot

1415
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,720
like that while I was
experiencing it so that I could

1416
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:40,120
look back and be like, this is
where it was at because I was so

1417
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:43,360
struck by how odd this was and
out of place it was.

1418
01:13:43,480 --> 01:13:46,680
So at this rate, it doesn't
surprise me that when people see

1419
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,880
something crazy that they're not
like immediately, oh, pull up my

1420
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:53,320
phone, take a picture of it
because you kind of get in this

1421
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:56,560
weird sensory, Even if it was
like an alien sighting or UFO or

1422
01:13:56,560 --> 01:14:00,920
whatever it is, it's so out of
place that it kind of you go

1423
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:04,200
into lizard brain essentially.
And just like, oh, that's weird,

1424
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,440
you know, so it, it makes sense
to me why we wouldn't have more

1425
01:14:08,440 --> 01:14:12,120
photographic evidence or if that
we did that, it'd be super

1426
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:15,800
blurry because maybe they're
doing this, they're freaking out

1427
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:19,320
their bodies going to the lizard
brain mode or whatever it is, or

1428
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:22,400
they just don't have it because
they're just like, it's so out

1429
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,000
of place.
You're just kind of locked into

1430
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,800
observing it and your brain kind
of goes into that fight or

1431
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:30,000
flight mode versus this whole
like, Oh, here's the evidence

1432
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,560
I've been looking for my whole
life, you know, Well, it's like

1433
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:36,840
that, that alien.
Video I sent you guys years ago,

1434
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:40,720
it's only 5 or 6 minutes of
watching it before I was like,

1435
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:43,360
maybe I should record this,
right?

1436
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:45,720
Yeah.
I I just want to know when.

1437
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,640
You guys were going over like
when you when Jeremy was walking

1438
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:50,640
you through whether or not this
was a Bigfoot sighting.

1439
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,800
Did either of you confirm
whether or not Shaq was playing

1440
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:57,120
airsoft that day?
No, we didn't, unfortunately.

1441
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,440
I should have should have done
that so it Gary Cross reference

1442
01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:00,640
barring all of those things I
said.

1443
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:01,720
And Shaq.
Right.

1444
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:06,640
Nobody.
Nobody checked Shack Tracker?

1445
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:09,520
Now that there aren't.
Unreasonably.

1446
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:13,400
Tall people, there's a guy,
there's a, a college student in

1447
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,040
my men's group Bible studies on
Friday mornings.

1448
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:19,360
That's 69, right?
It's crazy how tall he is.

1449
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:23,720
I'm 61 and I'm still like, Oh my
gosh, bro, you know, like, like

1450
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,600
looking up at this, this kid,
right?

1451
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:29,360
It, it's, it's so weird to see
someone that's that tall.

1452
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:32,640
I mean, there's plenty of people
that are that are abnormally

1453
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:36,360
tall at all, but and people like
to run and all the sorts of I'm

1454
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:40,040
not going to discredit and say
that that's impossible.

1455
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,880
But then also wearing what
appears to be a ghillie suit is

1456
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:47,800
kind of strange.
I'm saying it's like it in some

1457
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:51,960
place in some corners of the
universe that could exist that

1458
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:55,760
people somebody likes to go full
dead sprinting through his own

1459
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,120
cow pasture.
He's unreasonably tall and he

1460
01:15:58,120 --> 01:15:59,920
likes to wear a ghillie suit
because maybe I don't know who's

1461
01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:02,040
squirrel hunting or something
like that, Deer hunting in his

1462
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:03,120
own fields.
I.

1463
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:04,880
Maybe, I don't know, some
eagles.

1464
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,160
Have eyes, redneck.
Out in the middle of his field

1465
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:08,720
and you're like, oh look, it's
fucking Bigfoot.

1466
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:12,000
He's making fun of him and
maybe, maybe he just knows.

1467
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,120
Because there's an overpass
there that he's going to get a

1468
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:16,560
rise as somebody.
I'm just, that's all that is

1469
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:17,960
possible.
That's genius.

1470
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:19,960
There's also the.
Percentage.

1471
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:23,560
Where that isn't possible.
And what was possible was that I

1472
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,520
saw a Bigfoot.
Right now, it's not nothing.

1473
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:27,800
It's nothing to write home
about.

1474
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,080
I'm not going to, you know, it
didn't change my outlook on

1475
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:32,200
life.
This this thing that I had,

1476
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:34,880
right?
It wasn't this odd moment, but

1477
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:38,160
it was still very strange.
And so it's interesting that

1478
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:42,240
here we have another one that
came out of that area and or at

1479
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,880
least the state of it.
I, I couldn't tell you where

1480
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:46,200
this happened.
I could probably, I could

1481
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:49,240
probably get you down to the, I
could probably go through my

1482
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:52,400
hotel routes and all that stuff
and get you to the highway that

1483
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:54,680
I was on.
But I'm not certain that I could

1484
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,720
point out the even city that I
was at, right.

1485
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:01,320
And it's just like I drove
through so much in four days.

1486
01:17:01,480 --> 01:17:05,800
But it makes sense to me why
they would see it and they would

1487
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,440
also not have photographs
because it was just like, like

1488
01:17:08,440 --> 01:17:13,360
you said with that alien thing.
It you just get so struck by how

1489
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:16,240
strange and out of place
something like that is when

1490
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:18,760
you're not expecting it, that I
totally understand it.

1491
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:22,440
You know, I, I, I tend to not go
into lizard brain mode during

1492
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:26,120
high stress situations, which is
good considering I was in the

1493
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:28,480
military.
But I mean, I didn't do anything

1494
01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:30,120
crazy in the military.
I wasn't in combat or anything.

1495
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:34,440
But if someone was hurt or there
was a, you know, a stressful

1496
01:17:34,440 --> 01:17:38,800
situation or some danger, I
didn't go into lizard brain

1497
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:40,720
mode.
But in that circumstance, I

1498
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:44,640
totally at least went into the
point where I'm like, I don't

1499
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,920
know how to react to this
besides calling my buddy and

1500
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,200
being like, hey, we talk about
weird stuff all the time.

1501
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,080
I need to tell, tell you
something weird.

1502
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:54,040
You know what's going on here,
You know, pretty.

1503
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:56,320
That's pretty cool though.
That's pretty cool.

1504
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:59,720
I wouldn't, I wouldn't discount
the these people's claims either

1505
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,920
because like, unless you have
something exorbitant, like, do

1506
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:05,680
you, you guys know the story of
the guy who tried to blame

1507
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,800
Bigfoot for murdering his, the
the stripper off the top of the

1508
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,680
waterfall?
I actually do.

1509
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:13,920
Know what you're talking about?
I don't know the details, but

1510
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,120
yes, I've heard of it.
So we made fun of that on crypto

1511
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:18,720
technical.
Years ago, like we did a whole

1512
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,080
form of audio drama for that to
make fun of it.

1513
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:25,760
But anyway, a guy blames Bigfoot
for murdering a stripper that he

1514
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,400
murdered right.
So like aside, he claims but it

1515
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:30,640
but it wasn't like.
The Bigfoot killed her.

1516
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:34,160
It was no, he said he told on
the top of the waterfall.

1517
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:36,760
He said the Bigfoot heated her
off the top of the waterfall.

1518
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:38,720
Maybe we're not talking about
the same thing so.

1519
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:41,360
Did he go to prison for murder?
He sure was that for the

1520
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:42,240
Bigfoot.
No, no.

1521
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:43,760
He definitely he.
Definitely went to jail.

1522
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:47,640
But he his his defense was that
Bigfoot killed her, not him.

1523
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:53,280
So aside from claims that are so
exorbitant like that, I like to

1524
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:55,720
bare minimum give people the
benefit of the doubt.

1525
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:59,720
Like they say, like I saw
because like I've seen two UFOs

1526
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,480
live through a demonic haunting,
live through a standard

1527
01:19:02,480 --> 01:19:06,000
haunting, and I've had a genuine
religious experience.

1528
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,520
And if I were to explain that to
a number of people, they'll tell

1529
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:11,160
me I'm a liar, Right?
Right.

1530
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:16,440
So I know how it feels to have
had genuine experiences and have

1531
01:19:16,440 --> 01:19:17,960
people tell you you're full of
shit.

1532
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,000
So I don't like when people come
through with something that's

1533
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:25,040
not ridiculous.
To completely.

1534
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:28,040
Discount them, right?
So if they're like, I saw this

1535
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:31,240
and it was over there in the
field, like it would be insane

1536
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:33,440
for me to sit here and tell Jake
right now like you didn't see a

1537
01:19:33,440 --> 01:19:34,600
Bigfoot.
You just saw Shaq.

1538
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,000
He was playing airsoft and
you're an idiot, right?

1539
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:41,480
Like that would be nuts.
Rather than be like, all right,

1540
01:19:41,480 --> 01:19:45,160
well, you definitely saw
something way out of the

1541
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:48,320
ordinary, whether it was some
corn fed hillbilly out there who

1542
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,280
just grew to a mountainous man
size or a Bigfoot.

1543
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:54,200
You definitely saw something.
And there's no reason to think

1544
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,120
that maybe it wasn't a Bigfoot,
right?

1545
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:58,480
Like right, it could have been,
it could have been.

1546
01:19:58,480 --> 01:20:02,160
So I, I, I would like to say
that these people are probably

1547
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:05,400
they probably saw something and
there's a good chance it was a

1548
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:06,880
Bigfoot.
I like that.

1549
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,000
Yeah, I agree.
Well, plus I mean.

1550
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,000
I like to be really skeptical
too.

1551
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:14,680
So it's like, and I know what
pareidolia is and things like

1552
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:16,840
that, or I'm not going to see
something in the trees be like,

1553
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:20,000
it's the predator, right?
It's just like, you know, yeah,

1554
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:21,320
yeah, yeah.
But it's good to not.

1555
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:22,960
Immediately say they're lying,
right?

1556
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,280
Like like it's OK to be on the
fence.

1557
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:28,080
Be like, hey, like I'd like some
proof, but I'm not saying you're

1558
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:29,680
lying, but I would like some
proof.

1559
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:32,240
Like there's no, I think that I
think that that's reasonable,

1560
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,520
right?
There's nothing wrong with that.

1561
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:38,520
But just automatically off the
cuff being like, hey, this thing

1562
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,560
that you said that you didn't
really give me anything

1563
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,320
extraordinary, right?
Like there was, there was no

1564
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,960
details in there because like,
so like one of the things with a

1565
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:51,160
liar is they'll give you way too
many details, right?

1566
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,120
The more details a person gives
you about a situation, the more

1567
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:56,080
likely they are that they're
lying about it.

1568
01:20:56,440 --> 01:21:01,400
So when you get these sort of
like vague ish, like they're

1569
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:03,880
detailed, but they're not hyper
detailed.

1570
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:08,440
They're like, it was big, maybe
8-9 foot, I don't really know.

1571
01:21:08,440 --> 01:21:12,560
It was kind of dark, but it was
huge and it grunted and it ran

1572
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:15,000
like that's not too much detail,
right?

1573
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:18,080
So there's no reason to be like
you're a fucking liar, right?

1574
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:21,080
Maybe maybe it's a reason to get
a team out there and try to go

1575
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:25,480
see it for yourself and and and
trying to prove it, but it's not

1576
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:28,920
necessarily grounds to assume
they're lying automatically now.

1577
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:32,000
I mean, if they're describing
like it's cracked fingernails

1578
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:36,800
and elbows and like the way the
back of its knees looked like

1579
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:39,640
all right, maybe maybe you're
not being whether it had a red

1580
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:42,200
rocket or it was.
Hanging Dong, you know, right?

1581
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:44,360
I mean, come.
On.

1582
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:47,000
That's probably a detail that
you would you would notice

1583
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,600
though.
Come on, that's the first place

1584
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:51,920
I'm looking.
Away from it and really getting.

1585
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,000
Up in there, right?
That's the first place I'm

1586
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:55,600
looking, Pat.
Pat, what is that?

1587
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:57,480
Patterson, Patterson, Patterson
Gimlin.

1588
01:21:57,480 --> 01:21:59,560
It's a Patterson Gimlin.
Like am I looking for boobies

1589
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:01,160
or?
Wieners out here like we're

1590
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:03,560
we're definitely that's the
first place we're going right?

1591
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:05,400
True story.
You got breasts, you got a.

1592
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:08,280
Wiener, we're we're looking.
I'm identifying male or female.

1593
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:10,080
We're assuming gender.
Bigfoot.

1594
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:11,720
I saw a.
Bigfoot one time and it.

1595
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:16,000
Had 26 hairs on its right
kneecap and six of them were two

1596
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:18,800
and 3/8 inches long.
Right, I'm calling you a liar

1597
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:20,840
100.
Percent in that situation, but

1598
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:24,120
like, oh man, I was out with my
family and we were by this field

1599
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:27,040
and we looked out in this field
and this huge fucking creature

1600
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:30,520
ran by, but it was standing up
and it was crazy and I was very

1601
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:32,760
scared.
Like there's there's no reason

1602
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:35,640
to not believe that story.
I'm still in my pee pants.

1603
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:40,840
I'm still in my pee pants.
That's a movie reference.

1604
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,920
I I did a movie reference that.
You've seen it first.

1605
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:47,160
Of all that, you've seen a
movie.

1606
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:49,760
Second of all that, I have no
idea what you're talking about.

1607
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:51,480
I can't remember what movie it's
from.

1608
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,200
It's from Talladega nights.
No, that would be why I don't

1609
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:55,960
like Will Ferrell.
That would be why I don't know

1610
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,360
what you're talking about.
Yeah, the little, the little kid

1611
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:00,480
when he's like.
We're throwing chips 4 metals

1612
01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:02,320
off the bridge.
Yeah, he's like, he yelled at me

1613
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,600
and I pissed my pants.
I'm still in my pee pants.

1614
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:08,400
I've I made it.
Through 30.

1615
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:11,360
Minutes of Talladega.
Nights I I really don't like

1616
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:13,440
Will Ferrell.
I don't think he's funny.

1617
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:15,600
I think he's a lyric.
Yeah, not.

1618
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,400
Not my brand of comedy.
I think there's everyone around

1619
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:19,360
him that was.
Funny.

1620
01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:23,960
Well, I mean, he has such a huge
following.

1621
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:25,800
There's got to be a reason for
that, right?

1622
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:27,480
It's just not my brand of
comedy.

1623
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:30,640
But, you know, I I I could see
like, people just being like,

1624
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:32,920
oh, yeah, I saw the Bigfoot.
Like, that's kind of cool.

1625
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:34,840
Like, I hope they did see a
Bigfoot.

1626
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:36,800
Jeremy, what do you think?
What do you?

1627
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:40,160
Mean what do you think about
them if they saw the Bigfoot I

1628
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,880
mean, I think that the the.
Fact that it's being reported by

1629
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:46,080
three different people, I think
that goes a long ways.

1630
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:53,960
The power line highway aspect of
it is a very common detail and a

1631
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,760
lot of Bigfoot reports, a lot of
Bigfoot reports.

1632
01:23:56,760 --> 01:24:01,240
Shit, I've I've got maybe 30 if
not more Bigfoot books back

1633
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:03,280
here.
I'm strictly just the topic of

1634
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:06,040
Bigfoot, not including the ones
that touch on Bigfoot.

1635
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:12,280
And I would say probably 75 to
80% of those talk at least at

1636
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:16,480
some point about the aspect of
the power line highways.

1637
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:22,160
It's a very, very, very, very
common place for people to make

1638
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,680
reports.
Animals in general tend.

1639
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:26,720
To follow the path of least
resistance.

1640
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:29,080
Exactly.
You know, that's why the hunting

1641
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:32,760
lane I have in my backyard is so
Dang good because it's an

1642
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:36,120
established trail and it doesn't
matter how many deer I drop in

1643
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:40,320
that same exact path.
They follow it every single time

1644
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:43,080
because it goes from the
cornfields over there through my

1645
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:46,560
property down to the dry Creek
bed where they follow it out to

1646
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,720
the lake.
And they just cross right there

1647
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:53,680
every single time without fail.
And it's a perfect place to drop

1648
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:55,840
them.
And it doesn't even matter if it

1649
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,600
smells like deer death or if
they can sense that sort of

1650
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:01,200
stuff.
The next day, another one will

1651
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:04,160
come walking right through
there, stepping in the blood

1652
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:07,520
like they just, you know, it's,
it's the path that they follow.

1653
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:12,920
And why walk through trees and
expend an enormous amount of

1654
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:16,400
energy or going through brush
and stuff like that if you can

1655
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:19,880
take a path that's already been
cut, cut out because we cut pads

1656
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:22,560
for our power lines and stuff.
Like it just makes sense, right?

1657
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:24,640
Yeah.
I mean it also makes.

1658
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:29,680
Sense that humans as as humans,
that most of the reports are

1659
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,000
coming from these wide open
areas.

1660
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:35,320
Mostly because that's where we
are, right?

1661
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:38,520
We're not typically in the deep
woods.

1662
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:44,360
We are in the fringes or in
these massive open areas because

1663
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:46,120
that's where we're most
comfortable at.

1664
01:25:46,440 --> 01:25:48,120
That's where our line of sight
is best.

1665
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:52,000
That's where our senses are
going to perform the best.

1666
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:55,080
It is not going to perform the
best in dense woods.

1667
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:58,560
It's just not like I said in my
script, you can be 50 feet away

1668
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:02,320
from one of these things or, or
a bear or a deer or you know,

1669
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:06,200
something else, a cat in a tree.
And you would never know.

1670
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:10,560
A lot of people wouldn't if it's
not firing off on at least two

1671
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:13,320
of your senses, if not more.
I mean, a lot of people will,

1672
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:16,000
will walk through the woods, you
know, that are completely

1673
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,160
ignorant of a lot of things that
occur.

1674
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:21,880
And they'll, they'll smell
something, you know, and they'll

1675
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:23,520
be like, oh man, you smell like
skunk.

1676
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:28,960
But like one of the the the most
common reports of of Bigfoot

1677
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:33,960
encounters are it's just this
horrendous stench of body odor,

1678
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:40,160
skunk, decaying flesh, swampy.
Smells.

1679
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,080
But somebody who's not aware of
that would walk through and be

1680
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:44,960
like, oh man, there's a skunk
around, right?

1681
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:46,880
Well, let's be real, they don't
exactly have access.

1682
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:49,040
To Doctor Squatch, what do you
think they're going to smell

1683
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:50,480
like?
I mean, maybe they do.

1684
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:51,360
You never know.
They.

1685
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:54,400
Could they could be sponsored?
I mean, I one of the deer I.

1686
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:57,400
Got this last hunting season.
I mean dude, that thing had a

1687
01:26:57,400 --> 01:26:59,840
stink to it.
Like not, not because it was

1688
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:04,080
rotten or bad, but it was just
like they don't, they don't

1689
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:06,160
bathe, right.
They don't bathe regularly.

1690
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:08,800
And and that has short little
deer hair.

1691
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:12,480
Imagine, you know, if you could
imagine what a a bear smells

1692
01:27:12,480 --> 01:27:13,880
like.
I'm sure they're pretty rank.

1693
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:17,040
And then you're healing.
You get even further into, you

1694
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:20,120
know, something with even denser
hair or longer hair.

1695
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:23,600
I'm sure there's mold issues or
mildew and like, you know,

1696
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:25,840
whatever they eat just gets
trapped under there.

1697
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:27,800
Like I'm sure it's just
horrible.

1698
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:31,680
I I took out a Groundhog.
Once and that thing smelled so

1699
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:38,040
foul, like of course, a gigantic
bipede.

1700
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:40,520
Is going to.
Smell real bad if they're not

1701
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,960
out there with some Dial soap.
They don't, they don't have

1702
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,080
access to that shit like they
would have to.

1703
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,320
They would have to find like
like what the old natives did,

1704
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:49,520
right?
Like they would have to find

1705
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,160
like where lie is being
dispensed into a river and

1706
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:54,800
bathed downstream from that.
And even then, you're still not

1707
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:57,880
going to smell that great.
You're gonna have a very neutral

1708
01:27:57,880 --> 01:27:59,480
foresty smell.
And if you've been running

1709
01:27:59,480 --> 01:28:02,240
around out there and you don't
exactly have speed stick on you,

1710
01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:04,920
you're still going to smell bad
at the end of the day anyway.

1711
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:07,160
And we are the adverse.
You get to the.

1712
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:09,600
People.
Like me who have Doctor Squatch

1713
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:14,160
and I, I use pine tar deodorant
so that I smell like the woods.

1714
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:16,800
I'm a wood Darryl bourbon guy.
Wood Barrel Bourbon.

1715
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:19,120
But I mean like if you want to
know what these Bigfoot smell

1716
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:20,960
like, just go to your local
comic book shop.

1717
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:24,600
Those guys smell like it.
You'll know.

1718
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:27,920
Right, you smell that.
And we?

1719
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:29,400
Lost.
Half the audience, very nice,

1720
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:31,560
and I'm one of those guys in the
comic book shop.

1721
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:33,520
It's just I have very good
hygiene, you know?

1722
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:38,360
But like I, I listen.
Listen, Mama say I smoke good

1723
01:28:38,440 --> 01:28:40,000
up.
Until recently, I was a real.

1724
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:44,280
Big, big boy, you got to have
good hygiene if you want

1725
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:46,240
attention from women.
Just saying.

1726
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:48,800
You can't.
You can't be one of those comic

1727
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:50,240
books.
There's a reason those guys are

1728
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:52,080
single, you know?
I'm so thin.

1729
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:54,200
The stick the the stink.
Doesn't stick to me.

1730
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:56,080
There's nothing for it to fall
into, you know?

1731
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:58,280
It just falls off.
Yeah.

1732
01:28:58,480 --> 01:29:01,880
Yeah, yeah, I had some crevices.
I'm not going to lie to you, I

1733
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:05,480
was crevasse and. 10.
Pounds.

1734
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:07,920
We are an hour and 40 minutes.
Let's go.

1735
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:10,920
Let's get going guys.
Spent freaking two hours.

1736
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:14,320
Talking about black holes and it
was interesting.

1737
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:18,440
Don't be a Dick.
All right, you guys ready?

1738
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:20,160
Finally, we hit a.
Topic that doesn't.

1739
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:21,880
Suck.
Like I was so excited.

1740
01:29:22,480 --> 01:29:25,520
What do you mean I have not?
Given you a bad topic since

1741
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:29,560
you've been back, I, I I.
Do not care about aliens.

1742
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:32,400
I can't tell you how much I
don't care about aliens.

1743
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:36,120
I just acknowledge they exist
and I think all the conspiracy

1744
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:39,920
around them is nonsense.
Like you're going to get me.

1745
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:41,200
Started.
That's what you're going to do.

1746
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:42,320
You're going to wow me, all
right.

1747
01:29:42,440 --> 01:29:44,320
Well, you at least be on my ET
hammer.

1748
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:47,560
Killing crew when they come.
No, no dude.

1749
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:49,880
Like.
If they have the ability to get

1750
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:52,560
here, they're far more
technologically advanced than we

1751
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,800
are.
I'm not playing that game like I

1752
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:56,480
would have been the one that's
left behind.

1753
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:58,240
I don't.
I want to.

1754
01:29:58,240 --> 01:30:01,200
Be the one that's allowed to
live inside the house, not the

1755
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:03,640
one that sleeps in the shed.
Like you know what I mean?

1756
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:05,840
So I'm kissing ass when they
show up.

1757
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:07,960
Like fine, I'll kill them with a
claw.

1758
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:09,920
Hammer, you'll go ahead and do
that.

1759
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:12,120
Yeah, Could you?
Could you imagine?

1760
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:12,960
You.
You.

1761
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:17,440
You have this technology that
can shoot you across space in

1762
01:30:17,440 --> 01:30:20,160
the blink of an eye, and then
you get here to Earth and you

1763
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:23,160
get mauled by a hammer, right?
You just get bopped by.

1764
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:25,560
Yeah.
Jake and his ball pain like like

1765
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:29,120
like.
And 3D printed it's not even.

1766
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:32,240
From Home Depot, the knowledge
that I have.

1767
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:35,720
Firearms but just want it to be
slow and painful.

1768
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:38,720
It's like this is.
What we're up against.

1769
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:39,720
That's it.
Abort.

1770
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:44,720
Pull out.
All right, all right, we got to

1771
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:47,480
move on.
Jake pulls out his red rocket

1772
01:30:47,480 --> 01:30:48,680
when the aliens.
Show up.

1773
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:51,840
That's right.
Old tilt.

1774
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,040
Boxer's boots.
Hammer, let's go.

1775
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:56,280
He told you not to stop here,
Carl.

1776
01:30:59,480 --> 01:31:01,920
All right, we're the
Philadelphia of the entire.

1777
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,720
Galaxy, that's why we don't
really see them that often, only

1778
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:06,200
when they need to get their
fentanyl.

1779
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:11,480
Heck yeah.
I'll take that title.

1780
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:18,800
Yo, I know a place.
I got the plug.

1781
01:31:23,440 --> 01:31:26,440
All right, all right, all right.
For real now.

1782
01:31:26,440 --> 01:31:29,720
All right, let's.
Deep dive with a topic that we

1783
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:33,120
touched on a few episodes ago,
but since has had a major

1784
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:38,160
realization breakthrough.
On February 1st, 2026, A-Team of

1785
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:41,960
researchers published a paper in
Frontiers in Science that

1786
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:44,720
carries a warning most people
aren't paying attention to.

1787
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:47,560
The title of the paper is
straightforward Consciousness

1788
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:49,680
Science.
Where are we, where are we

1789
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going, and what if we get there?
But the message is urgent.

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We are facing an existential
risk, not from climate change,

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01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:01,640
not from nuclear war, not even
from AI taking over the world in

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01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:04,680
the Terminator sense.
The risk that we are building

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01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:08,640
technologies that could create,
alter or destroy consciousness,

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01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:11,920
and we're doing it without
understanding what consciousness

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01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:15,400
actually is.
The lead author is Professor

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01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:20,360
Axel Clearments from the
University Libre Brook.

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01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:25,480
Sales are Brussels in Belgium.
He's joined by researchers from

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01:32:25,480 --> 01:32:28,600
institutions across the globe,
Tel Aviv University, the

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01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:32,600
University of Sussex and the
Canadian Institute for Advanced

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Research.
And their central argument is

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01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:37,800
simple but profound.
Humanity is racing ahead with

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01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:42,160
artificial intelligence, brain
computer interfaces, and lab

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01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:45,840
grown brain tissue, and we have
no reliable way to detect

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01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:48,480
whether any of these systems are
conscious.

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01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:50,360
We don't know if AI can be
aware.

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01:32:50,480 --> 01:32:54,720
We don't know if brain organoids
or clusters of neurons grown in

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01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:57,120
a Petri dish are experiencing
anything.

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01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:01,320
We don't know if coma patients
who appear unconscious are

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01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:03,920
actually trapped inside their
own minds, fully aware but

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01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:06,600
unable to communicate.
And because we don't know, we

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01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:08,720
might be creating suffering we
can't measure.

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01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:11,720
We might be destroying minds we
can't detect.

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01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:15,120
We might be crossing ethical
lines we don't even realize

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01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:17,800
exist.
Professor Clearmans says this

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01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:22,080
quote, Consciousness science is
no longer a purely philosophical

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01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:24,200
pursuit.
It has real implications for

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01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:27,920
every facet of society and for
understanding what it means to

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01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:29,480
be human.
So let's break this down.

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01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:31,920
What is consciousness?
Why don't we understand it?

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01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:35,280
And what are the technologies
that are forcing this issue to

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01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:37,840
the forefront right now?
Consciousness is one of the

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01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:40,400
oldest and most difficult
problems in science and

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01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:42,520
philosophy.
It's been called the hard

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01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:44,840
problem by philosopher David
Chalmers.

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01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:47,920
Here's what makes it hard.
We can measure brain activity.

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01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:51,880
We can map neural networks.
We can identify which regions

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01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:54,600
the brain light up when you see
a color, hear a sound, or feel

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01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:57,120
pain.
But none of that explains why

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01:33:57,120 --> 01:34:00,560
those physical processes produce
subjective experience.

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01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:03,120
Why does seeing red feel like
something?

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01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:07,840
Why does pain hurt?
Why is there a you inside your

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01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,280
head experiencing the world
instead of your brain just

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01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:13,520
processing information like a
computer without any inner

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01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:16,320
awareness?
The gap between physical brain

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01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:19,400
activity and subjective
experience is what scientists

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01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:22,480
call the hard problem of
consciousness, and after decades

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01:34:22,480 --> 01:34:25,200
of research, we still don't have
a definitive answer.

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01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:28,920
There are multiple competing
theories, however, and they

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01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:32,160
fundamentally disagree about
where consciousness comes from,

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01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:35,360
how it works, and what kinds of
systems can have it.

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01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:37,960
Let me walk you through some of
the major theories.

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01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:40,920
Theory one, Global Workspace
Theory.

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01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:44,760
Now Global Workspace Theory, or
GWT, was developed by cognitive

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01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:49,040
scientist Bernard Bars and has
been championed by researchers

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01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:53,120
like Stanislaus Deheny.
The basic idea is this.

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01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:57,120
The brain is made-up of many
specialized modules that process

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01:34:57,120 --> 01:35:00,880
information unconsciously.
Vision, hearing, memory,

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01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:04,200
language, they all work in
parallel, processing data in the

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01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:06,480
background.
But consciousness happens when

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01:35:06,480 --> 01:35:10,840
information from one of these
modules gets broadcast to a

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01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:14,400
global workspace, a kind of
central hub in the brain where

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01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:18,040
different systems can access it.
Think of it like a stage in a

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01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:20,120
theater.
Most of the brain's activity

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01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:24,000
happens backstage, unconscious
processing, reflexes, automatic

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01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,280
responses.
But when something becomes

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01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:30,120
important enough, it gets
brought onto the stage, lit up,

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01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:32,160
and made available to the whole
audience.

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That's consciousness, the
spotlight, the broadcast.

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01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:38,880
According to GWT, consciousness
is what allows the brain to

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01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:42,560
coordinate different processes,
make decisions, and respond

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01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:45,560
flexibly to new situations.
And here's the key point.

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01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:49,120
GWT suggests that consciousness
happens in the prefrontal

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01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:53,280
cortex, the front part of the
brain involved in reasoning,

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01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:56,840
planning, and decision making.
If that's true, then

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01:35:56,840 --> 01:36:00,040
consciousness requires a certain
level of brain complexity.

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01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:03,240
It requires the ability to
broadcast information across

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01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:06,720
different regions, and it might
be unique to systems with that

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01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:09,680
specific architecture.
But GWT has a problem.

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01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:12,400
It doesn't explain why
broadcasting information creates

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01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:15,320
objective experience.
It describes A mechanism, but it

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01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:18,760
doesn't solve the hard problem.
Now, Theory 2 is integrated

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01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:23,200
information theory, and
information theory, or IIT, was

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01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:26,560
developed by neuroscientist
Julio Tannoni.

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01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:30,040
IIT takes a completely different
approach.

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01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:33,320
It says consciousness isn't
about specific brain regions or

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01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:37,160
broadcasting mechanisms.
It's about integration, the idea

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01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:41,120
that consciousness arises when a
system integrates information in

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01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:44,120
a way that can't be broken down
into independent parts.

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01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:48,320
The more integrated the system,
the more consciousness it is.

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01:36:48,440 --> 01:36:53,120
It uses a mathematical measure
called Phi to quantify this

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01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:57,440
interrogation.
A system with hi-fi has a lot of

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01:36:57,440 --> 01:37:01,600
consciousness, a system when lo
fi has little or none.

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01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:05,040
And here's the radical part.
IIT suggests that consciousness

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01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:07,640
isn't limited to brains.
Any system that integrates

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01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:10,360
information could be conscious
to some degree.

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01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:13,440
That means a brain organoid
could be conscious.

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01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:18,200
An AI system could be conscious.
Even a thermostat, in theory,

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01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:21,360
could have a tiny sliver of
consciousness if it integrates

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01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:24,880
information in the right way.
Now, Tanani and his supporters

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01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:28,640
would say that simple systems
like thermostats have such lofi

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01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:32,560
that their consciousness is
negligible, basically zero.

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01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:35,600
But the theory implies that
consciousness exists on the

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01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:39,320
spectrum, and it's not exclusive
to biological organisms.

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01:37:39,480 --> 01:37:41,560
Now that's a huge claim, and
it's controversial.

1895
01:37:41,720 --> 01:37:44,240
IIT has been called
pseudoscience by some

1896
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:47,640
researchers because its core
predictions are difficult or

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01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:50,560
maybe even impossible to test
empirically.

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01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:52,320
How do you measure Phi in a
living brain?

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01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:55,200
How do you confirm that a system
with hi-fi is actually

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01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:57,920
experiencing something?
But IIT remains one of the most

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01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:00,520
influential theories of
consciousness, and it's heavily

1902
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:04,240
sighted in discussions about AI
and brain organoids.

1903
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:08,840
Now theory 3 is the higher order
thought theories.

1904
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:13,560
Higher order thought theories
Hots take yet another approach.

1905
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:16,560
These theories say that
consciousness happens when the

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01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:20,120
brain has thoughts about its own
mental states.

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01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:23,920
In other words, you're not just
seeing red, you're aware that

1908
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:26,320
you're seeing red.
You're not just feeling pain,

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01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:29,120
you're aware that you're in
pain.

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01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:32,920
Consciousness, according to
Hots, is metacognition.

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01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:35,640
It's the brain reflecting on
itself.

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01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:38,920
This theory has some appeal
because it explains why humans

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01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:41,560
seem more conscious than, say,
insects.

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01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:45,360
Humans have complex
metacognitive abilities.

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01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,480
We think about our thoughts, we
plan, we imagine, we self

1916
01:38:48,480 --> 01:38:51,000
reflect.
But Hots have a problem too.

1917
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:54,680
They imply that animals without
metacognitive abilities aren't

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01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:56,320
conscious.
And that feels wrong.

1919
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:58,960
When you look into a dog's eyes,
it seems pretty clear that

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01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:01,480
there's someone home.
The dog is experiencing the

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01:39:01,480 --> 01:39:04,120
world even if it's not
reflecting on that experience in

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01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:07,120
a human like way.
So hots might explain human

1923
01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:09,480
consciousness, but they
struggled to account for

1924
01:39:09,480 --> 01:39:11,920
consciousness and simpler
organisms.

1925
01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:15,480
Now theory 4 are the recurrent
processing and predictive

1926
01:39:15,480 --> 01:39:18,480
processing theories.
Recurrent processing theories

1927
01:39:18,480 --> 01:39:22,000
suggest that consciousness
arises from feedback loops in

1928
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:24,320
brain when sensory information
comes in.

1929
01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:27,640
Say you see a tree.
It doesn't just travel forward

1930
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:30,880
through the visual system.
It gets processed, then sent

1931
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:34,400
back to earlier stages, creating
loops of activity refine and

1932
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:37,080
enrich the perception.
Consciousness, according to this

1933
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:40,480
view, is the result of those
recurrent loops.

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01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:43,400
It's the brain checking its own
predictions against incoming

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01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:46,360
data, constantly updating its
model of the world.

1936
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:50,160
This theory has gained traction
in recent years, especially with

1937
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:52,000
the rise of predictive
processing models and

1938
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:54,240
neuroscience.
The idea is that the brain is a

1939
01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:56,920
prediction machine.
It's constantly generating

1940
01:39:56,920 --> 01:40:00,560
hypothesis about what's out
there, and consciousness is what

1941
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:03,360
happens when those.
Those predictions become stable

1942
01:40:03,440 --> 01:40:06,040
and coherent.
But again, this theory describes

1943
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:08,680
A mechanism.
It doesn't fully explain why

1944
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:11,880
that mechanism produces
subjective experience.

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01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:15,400
So where does this leave us?
We have at least four major

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01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:17,920
theories of consciousness, and
none of them agree.

1947
01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:20,560
They disagree about where
consciousness happens in the

1948
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:22,240
brain.
They disagree about whether

1949
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:25,000
consciousness requires specific
structures or whether it's a

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01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:28,040
property of information itself.
They disagree about whether

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01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:30,720
animals, AI, or brains can be
conscious.

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01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:33,360
And because they disagree, we
don't have a reliable test for

1953
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:35,640
consciousness.
We can measure brain activity,

1954
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:39,000
we can track neural patterns,
but we can't definitively say

1955
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:42,120
yes, this system is conscious,
or no, it's not.

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01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:46,080
And that's the problem.
Because right now, in 2026,

1957
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:49,320
we're building technologies that
could create conscious systems

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01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:51,640
or destroy them, and we're doing
it blind.

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01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:54,600
So let's talk about the specific
technologies that are forcing

1960
01:40:54,640 --> 01:40:57,480
the issue, one being artificial
intelligence.

1961
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:00,960
AI systems are getting more
sophisticated every year.

1962
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:04,400
Larger language models like
ChatGPT, Grok and Claude and

1963
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:07,760
others can hold conversations,
solve problems, and generate

1964
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:10,680
creative work that feels eerily
human.

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01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:13,840
But are they conscious?
Most AI researchers say no.

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01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:16,600
Current AI systems are just
pattern matching machines.

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01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:18,680
They don't have subjective
experience.

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01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:21,760
They don't feel anything.
They process inputs and generate

1969
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:24,120
outputs, but there's no inner
awareness.

1970
01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:26,280
But here's the problem.
We don't actually know that.

1971
01:41:26,480 --> 01:41:29,320
If consciousness is about
information interrogation, as

1972
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:33,520
IIT suggests, then it's possible
that sufficiently complex AI

1973
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:36,160
systems could develop
consciousness without us

1974
01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:39,040
realizing it.
And if that's true, we might be

1975
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:43,000
creating and deleting conscious
minds every time we train a new

1976
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:46,680
model or shut down a server.
Some researchers are taking this

1977
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:48,760
seriously.
There are now working groups

1978
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:50,520
dedicated to studying AI
consciousness.

1979
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:53,400
They're trying to develop tests
that could detect whether an AI

1980
01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:56,720
system is aware, But so far
there's no consensus.

1981
01:41:56,840 --> 01:42:00,760
And in the absence of a reliable
test, we're left guessing two

1982
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:04,480
brain organoids.
Brain organoids are lab grown

1983
01:42:04,480 --> 01:42:07,560
clusters of human brain cells.
Scientists grow them from stem

1984
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:10,600
cells and they self organize
into structures that resemble

1985
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:12,360
parts of a developing human
brain.

1986
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:16,440
These organoids are being used
to study brain development, test

1987
01:42:16,440 --> 01:42:18,800
drugs, and model neurological
diseases.

1988
01:42:19,120 --> 01:42:22,280
They're incredibly valuable for
research, but here's the ethical

1989
01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:23,840
question.
Are they conscious?

1990
01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:26,640
Some organoids contain millions
of neurons.

1991
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:29,200
They generate electrical
activity that looks like brain

1992
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:31,000
waves.
In some cases, they respond to

1993
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:34,520
stimuli in ways that suggest
coordinated neural activity.

1994
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:39,480
So is there someone in there?
Is a brain organoid experiencing

1995
01:42:39,480 --> 01:42:43,600
something we don't know?
And if we don't know, then we

1996
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:47,720
might be growing conscious
tissues and labs, subjecting it

1997
01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:50,240
to experiments, and then
destroying it without ever

1998
01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:51,880
realizing we're causing
suffering.

1999
01:42:52,120 --> 01:42:55,120
The paper, published in
Frontiers in Science, calls this

2000
01:42:55,120 --> 01:42:58,000
one of the most urgent ethical
questions in neuroscience right

2001
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:00,960
now, three being brain computer
interfaces.

2002
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:03,960
Companies like Neurolink,
Synchron and others are

2003
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:08,120
developing brain computer
interfaces, or Bcis, that allow

2004
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:11,960
direct communication between the
brain and external devices.

2005
01:43:12,280 --> 01:43:15,640
The goal is to help paralyzed
patients, control prosthetic

2006
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:19,840
limbs, communicate through
thought, or even restore lost

2007
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:22,280
senses.
But BC is raise profound

2008
01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:25,240
questions about consciousness.
If you hook a brain up to a

2009
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:28,160
computer and the computer starts
processing information alongside

2010
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:31,040
the brain, where does
consciousness begin and end?

2011
01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:34,280
Is the person still fully
themselves or have they become a

2012
01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:36,360
hybrid, part biological, part
digital?

2013
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:39,240
If you remove the interface,
does part of their consciousness

2014
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:41,680
get deleted?
These aren't hypothetical

2015
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:43,640
questions.
These technologies are being

2016
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:47,240
tested in humans right now.
And four colon patients and

2017
01:43:47,240 --> 01:43:50,000
disorders of consciousness.
This is where the papers warning

2018
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:53,080
becomes most immediate.
Right now in hospitals around

2019
01:43:53,080 --> 01:43:55,560
the world, there are patients
who appear unconscious.

2020
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:57,960
They don't respond to commands,
they don't open their eyes.

2021
01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:00,080
They show no outward signs of
awareness.

2022
01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:05,320
But F MRI and EEG studies have
shown that approximately 25% of

2023
01:44:05,320 --> 01:44:07,160
these patients are actually
conscious.

2024
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:10,000
They're aware, they can hear,
they can think, but they can't

2025
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:13,360
move or communicate.
Researchers call this covert

2026
01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:16,560
awareness, and it's been
detected using brain imaging

2027
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:20,280
techniques where patients are
asked to imagine specific tests

2028
01:44:20,280 --> 01:44:23,040
like playing tennis, are walking
through their house, and their

2029
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:25,560
brain activity shows clear,
deliberate responses.

2030
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:28,680
These people are trapped inside
their own bodies, and for years

2031
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:32,080
doctors have been making end of
life decisions about them based

2032
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:33,960
on the assumption that they're
not aware.

2033
01:44:34,160 --> 01:44:37,000
The Frontiers in Science paper
argues that this is a moral

2034
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:38,920
catastrophe.
They're potentially ending the

2035
01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:41,360
lives of conscious people
because we lack the tools to

2036
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:44,920
detect their awareness.
So here's the existential risk.

2037
01:44:45,120 --> 01:44:48,560
If we create AI systems that are
conscious and we don't realize

2038
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:50,920
it, we might be creating and
destroying minds on a massive

2039
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:53,360
scale.
If we grow brain organoids that

2040
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:55,720
are conscious and we don't
realize it, we might be

2041
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:59,000
torturing tissue in labs.
If we build brain computer

2042
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:02,040
interfaces without understanding
how they affect consciousness,

2043
01:45:02,240 --> 01:45:04,960
we might be fragmenting,
merging, or erasing people's

2044
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:07,440
sense of self.
And if we fail to detect

2045
01:45:07,480 --> 01:45:10,280
consciousness in coma patients,
we're making life and death

2046
01:45:10,280 --> 01:45:12,880
decisions based on incomplete
information.

2047
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:16,160
Professor Clearman's said this
quote.

2048
01:45:16,160 --> 01:45:18,680
The consequences of getting this
wrong are profound.

2049
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:22,240
We could be committing ethical
violations on the scale we've

2050
01:45:22,240 --> 01:45:23,960
never imagined.
And he's right.

2051
01:45:24,200 --> 01:45:27,120
But here's the flip side.
If we do self consciousness, if

2052
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:29,920
we develop reliable tests that
can detect awareness in AI,

2053
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:33,800
brain, organoids, animals or
patients, it would transform

2054
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:35,600
society.
It would change medicine.

2055
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:38,320
We could identify which coma
patients are conscious and give

2056
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:41,480
them a way to communicate.
It would change animal welfare.

2057
01:45:41,520 --> 01:45:43,680
We could determine which animals
are capable level of suffering

2058
01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:45,720
and adjust how we treat them
accordingly.

2059
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:48,520
It would change AI development.
We could build ethical

2060
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:51,200
guidelines around creating and
terminating AI systems based on

2061
01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:53,720
whether they're conscious.
It would change the laws.

2062
01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:57,480
Questions about personhood
rights and moral responsibility

2063
01:45:57,480 --> 01:46:00,240
would have to be re evaluated.
And it would change our

2064
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:02,600
understanding of what it means
to be a human.

2065
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:06,080
Because it consciousness isn't
unique to humans.

2066
01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:10,240
If it exists on the spectrum, if
it can emerge in artificial

2067
01:46:10,240 --> 01:46:14,200
systems, if it's a property of
information itself, then the

2068
01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:16,520
boundary between us and them
starts to blur.

2069
01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:18,880
The paper does propose several
steps forward.

2070
01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:21,280
First, more funding for
consciousness research.

2071
01:46:21,440 --> 01:46:25,000
Right now it's a niche field.
It needs to become a priority.

2072
01:46:25,120 --> 01:46:27,280
Second, adversarial
collaborations.

2073
01:46:27,680 --> 01:46:29,600
Researchers who support
different theories need to

2074
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:32,880
design experiments that could
prove one theory wrong and

2075
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:34,800
another right.
That's how science makes

2076
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:37,600
progress.
Third, interdisciplinary work.

2077
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:40,520
Consciousness research needs
input from neuroscience,

2078
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:44,160
philosophy, AI, ethics, and law.
It can't be solved by 1 field

2079
01:46:44,160 --> 01:46:46,600
alone.
Fourth, public engagement.

2080
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:48,640
People need to understand what's
at stake.

2081
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:50,960
This isn't just an academic
debate.

2082
01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:54,640
It's about the future of AI
medicine and what we consider

2083
01:46:54,640 --> 01:46:58,040
morally acceptable.
And 5th, humility.

2084
01:46:58,240 --> 01:47:00,520
We need to admit that we don't
know what we're doing.

2085
01:47:00,760 --> 01:47:02,880
We're building powerful
technologies about understanding

2086
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:06,440
their full implications, and we
need to slow down, ask the hard

2087
01:47:06,440 --> 01:47:08,480
questions, and make sure we're
not causing harm.

2088
01:47:08,720 --> 01:47:11,320
So here's the bottom line.
Scientists are warning that

2089
01:47:11,320 --> 01:47:13,680
we're facing existential risk
because we're creating

2090
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:15,720
consciousness faster than we can
understand it.

2091
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:18,040
We're building AI that might be
aware.

2092
01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:20,760
We're growing brain tissue that
might be suffering, we're

2093
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:23,640
developing brain computer
interfaces that could alter the

2094
01:47:23,640 --> 01:47:27,080
nature of self, and we're making
life and death decisions about

2095
01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:29,400
coma patients without knowing if
they're conscious or not.

2096
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:33,040
We don't have reliable tests.
We don't have consensus on what

2097
01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:36,600
consciousness actually is, and
we don't have ethical frameworks

2098
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:38,680
that account for the
technologies we're building.

2099
01:47:38,840 --> 01:47:41,040
The hard problem with
consciousness isn't just a

2100
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:44,840
philosophical puzzle anymore.
It's a practical, urgent moral

2101
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:47,360
crisis.
And if we don't solve it, or at

2102
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:49,960
least acknowledge it, we might
be committing ethical

2103
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:54,040
catastrophes we can't even see.
So Jake, CJ, what do you think?

2104
01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:57,600
Are we moving too fast?
Should we pause AI development,

2105
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:01,000
brain organoid research and BC
is until we understand

2106
01:48:01,160 --> 01:48:03,800
consciousness or is that
impossible?

2107
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:06,400
Are these technologies already
too far warm to stop?

2108
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:08,280
Every last ounce of that was a
pile of.

2109
01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:10,000
Bullshit.
What do you mean?

2110
01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:14,280
My gosh, what?
Do you know so they?

2111
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:18,280
Are assessing consciousness
based off of physical science

2112
01:48:18,280 --> 01:48:20,000
solely.
Things they can measure, things

2113
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:23,080
they can graph, things that they
can see and draw and illustrate.

2114
01:48:23,760 --> 01:48:28,080
When the reality is that
consciousness in itself is not a

2115
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:30,520
physical form.
We as people exist in a

2116
01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:33,480
consciousness as beings of
light, or maybe in Jake's case,

2117
01:48:33,480 --> 01:48:36,960
a soul.
The brain itself is a tool that

2118
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:40,520
allows us to interact within the
third dimension while we are

2119
01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:43,360
here doing whatever it is we're
designed to do and learn the

2120
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:46,040
things we're designed to learn
before we move on to a plane

2121
01:48:46,040 --> 01:48:47,920
that we can't even begin to
imagine.

2122
01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:52,560
There's no reason to even begin
to try to explain what

2123
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:56,840
consciousness is rather than
accept it for what it is, right?

2124
01:48:57,520 --> 01:49:02,880
We are an experience and the
things that we are here and

2125
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:05,720
doing and and learning, it's all
about attainment of the higher

2126
01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:08,920
truths and the higher self.
And part of the higher truth is

2127
01:49:08,920 --> 01:49:13,120
never going to explain what
consciousness is because we just

2128
01:49:13,200 --> 01:49:15,280
are, if that makes any sense to
you.

2129
01:49:16,680 --> 01:49:19,720
So the fact that they're solely
trying to explain consciousness

2130
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:23,800
through physical science rather
than assessing the spiritual end

2131
01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:26,520
of things doesn't make any sense
at all.

2132
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:29,080
But that's what humans do, is
that they?

2133
01:49:29,200 --> 01:49:36,080
They, I, I don't know, maybe God
did it put inside of us a desire

2134
01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:40,280
to know what we can't know or
what we shouldn't know.

2135
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:43,760
You know, maybe that's, maybe
that goes to the fall of

2136
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:45,760
humanity.
Adam and Eve were perfectly

2137
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:48,760
content with what they knew and
what they didn't know until they

2138
01:49:48,760 --> 01:49:51,600
were tricked into sinning
against God, right?

2139
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:56,240
Maybe that's what caused that
or, you know, or God put us in

2140
01:49:56,240 --> 01:49:59,000
us a sense of adventure and of
discovery.

2141
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:02,880
And, you know, I, I, I don't
know what it is, but regardless,

2142
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:06,160
that's how we're wired.
So, yeah, I mean it.

2143
01:50:06,360 --> 01:50:10,160
I, I agree that it would be that
it's a futile attempt to learn

2144
01:50:10,160 --> 01:50:13,680
something that can't be learned.
But at the same time, I can

2145
01:50:13,680 --> 01:50:17,120
understand that that's what
we're designed to do.

2146
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:20,560
Or at least now it makes sense
that we're designed to do it.

2147
01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:23,880
But it doesn't make sense to me
why they wouldn't even begin to

2148
01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:25,840
consider the spiritual aspect
right?

2149
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:29,520
Like so like the biblical sense
where we talk about heaven and

2150
01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:33,080
earth, right, where when you
pass on, you can potentially go

2151
01:50:33,080 --> 01:50:36,040
to heaven, purgatory, hell,
whatever that is, right?

2152
01:50:36,040 --> 01:50:38,680
In the Christian sense.
Well, that would be a plane of

2153
01:50:38,680 --> 01:50:41,920
existence that we can't even
actually begin to imagine

2154
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:43,920
because that would be God's
realm, right?

2155
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:47,360
And within God's realm, there
was a nothingness at some point

2156
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:52,440
before the word was and the
universe came to be right in in

2157
01:50:52,440 --> 01:50:55,880
that realm is where
consciousness exists, right?

2158
01:50:56,040 --> 01:50:59,280
We can't even begin to imagine
what that looks like.

2159
01:50:59,320 --> 01:51:01,120
And there's only one way to find
out.

2160
01:51:01,160 --> 01:51:04,040
And none of us are going to be
able to come back and tell us

2161
01:51:04,040 --> 01:51:06,240
that, except in your biblical
sense.

2162
01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:08,960
We got one guy who's supposed to
come back and tell us that,

2163
01:51:08,960 --> 01:51:11,640
right?
Well, not necessarily, because.

2164
01:51:11,640 --> 01:51:14,280
I do believe there is
credibility to near death

2165
01:51:14,280 --> 01:51:16,200
experiences.
I mean, there's a guy named John

2166
01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:20,040
Burke who is a Christian guy.
He became a Christian through

2167
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:23,480
documenting near death
experiences.

2168
01:51:23,480 --> 01:51:27,800
I think he recorded 2500 cases
on all 7 continents and found

2169
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:31,480
that there is something after
after death and there is.

2170
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:36,160
And they weren't just they were
medically recognized near death

2171
01:51:36,160 --> 01:51:38,680
experiences where there was
heart stoppage, there was

2172
01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:41,400
traumatic brain injury, there
was things like that that

2173
01:51:41,400 --> 01:51:44,680
actually causes people to die
and some people coming back

2174
01:51:44,680 --> 01:51:49,520
after a matter of days, not, you
know, minutes and talking about

2175
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:52,000
what they'd experienced.
And he researched that.

2176
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:53,360
I do want to get that guy on
here.

2177
01:51:53,440 --> 01:51:56,920
That could be fascinating.
But so there there is examples

2178
01:51:56,920 --> 01:52:02,160
of what is after this.
But I also agree that there will

2179
01:52:02,160 --> 01:52:08,440
probably never be a definitive
answer on what exactly

2180
01:52:08,440 --> 01:52:11,760
consciousness is, although we
could get some pretty good

2181
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:14,200
guesses right.
But even in the concept of like

2182
01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:15,360
the.
NDE right?

2183
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:19,920
And in the concept of eternity
as a whole, even days having

2184
01:52:19,920 --> 01:52:27,880
been dead is an infinitesimally
small amount of time that it

2185
01:52:27,880 --> 01:52:31,520
would take to fully experience
the plane beyond the third

2186
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:34,360
dimension that we currently
exist in, right, right.

2187
01:52:34,360 --> 01:52:37,760
So maybe you got a maybe you got
a peek like if you think about

2188
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:42,120
the next stage as a big thick
book, maybe you got a peek at

2189
01:52:42,120 --> 01:52:45,360
the title page through an end.
Right sure right.

2190
01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:46,560
So you.
You got to take a.

2191
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:50,600
Look at something, but you have
absolutely no idea what really

2192
01:52:50,600 --> 01:52:52,960
it contains.
There's no way.

2193
01:52:53,080 --> 01:52:55,440
There's no way those those
individuals.

2194
01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:59,000
That they were actually
experiencing all the things that

2195
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:01,520
people who are there permanently
experience, right?

2196
01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:03,160
Like, right, right.
They're they're.

2197
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:06,560
The colors that you.
Couldn't, you know, express and

2198
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:08,080
things like that?
But who's to say that they

2199
01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:11,200
weren't experiencing?
Yeah, unless only had a snapshot

2200
01:53:11,200 --> 01:53:12,000
like.
You're saying, right?

2201
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:13,760
Unless you buy into Rebirth,
right?

2202
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:17,400
Like I, I, I think that it's
possible that we experience

2203
01:53:17,400 --> 01:53:20,960
rebirth until we learn the
lessons and achieve the higher

2204
01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:23,960
truths and the attainment of the
higher self that were intended

2205
01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:26,840
to achieve, achieve, and then we
ascend to the next, the next

2206
01:53:26,840 --> 01:53:28,920
stage, right?
I, I think that that's

2207
01:53:28,920 --> 01:53:32,760
completely possible.
But regardless, when we're

2208
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:35,840
talking about like the whole
eternity in the realm on which

2209
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:39,720
God exists, even like I said,
like days, like you can't

2210
01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:43,600
experience that in those days
times and let alone experience

2211
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:46,600
that and come back with
comprehension enough to explain

2212
01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:49,640
it to anybody, right?
That's not, that's beyond the

2213
01:53:49,640 --> 01:53:54,800
imagination.
So I, I, I, I don't, I don't

2214
01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:59,480
think that any of this stuff
that solely relies on physical

2215
01:53:59,480 --> 01:54:06,200
science is going to be reliable
in defining, explaining and and

2216
01:54:06,200 --> 01:54:11,040
and and fully comprehending what
consciousness in itself is.

2217
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:14,760
It was like that guy who however
long ago said the like, like if

2218
01:54:14,760 --> 01:54:18,080
it's like pop culture, right, 21
grams leaves when you die, blah,

2219
01:54:18,080 --> 01:54:19,600
blah, blah, whatever.
That's it was.

2220
01:54:19,600 --> 01:54:20,640
It wasn't.
It was.

2221
01:54:20,880 --> 01:54:26,920
Yeah, six people in inconsistent
study, whatever, whatever,

2222
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:32,280
regardless of that weight is
lost upon death, right.

2223
01:54:32,680 --> 01:54:36,520
And if we think about what I
said previously in other

2224
01:54:36,520 --> 01:54:39,520
episodes is that like matter
doesn't actually exist.

2225
01:54:39,640 --> 01:54:43,400
It's vibrating particles that
imitate what matter would be,

2226
01:54:43,480 --> 01:54:45,920
right?
And then so we experienced the

2227
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:48,560
third dimension based on those
vibrations.

2228
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:53,160
And we, we're here to do
something, whether it's to have

2229
01:54:53,160 --> 01:54:56,920
faith or whether it's to simply
just be good to our fellow

2230
01:54:56,920 --> 01:55:01,840
humans or whether it's to really
understand what it means to be a

2231
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:05,320
human, even when some of those
truths aren't exactly nice,

2232
01:55:05,320 --> 01:55:07,080
right?
Like, you know, we don't have to

2233
01:55:07,080 --> 01:55:09,400
like everything for them to be
true.

2234
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:12,160
It doesn't have to be flowers.
Some of it can be very dark,

2235
01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:15,280
whatever it is that we're.
Here to.

2236
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:18,880
Do we achieve that and then we
move to that next plane?

2237
01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:21,600
That can't be explained.
And I think it's very important

2238
01:55:21,640 --> 01:55:25,440
for human beings to accept the
fact that we cannot explain that

2239
01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:28,000
until we're meant to understand
that.

2240
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:29,880
And it's a very individual
thing.

2241
01:55:30,160 --> 01:55:33,960
And explaining it through simply
physical science is absolute

2242
01:55:33,960 --> 01:55:36,080
nonsense.
Well, I think that.

2243
01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:39,440
I agree.
With you again that.

2244
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:44,360
I don't think it's something
that can be understood on this

2245
01:55:44,360 --> 01:55:51,480
side of existence, but I think
that on one hand, this quest to

2246
01:55:51,960 --> 01:55:56,240
find out what consciousness is
and what it isn't is good

2247
01:55:56,800 --> 01:56:00,800
because like.
What Jeremy had in his.

2248
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:05,480
Write up, you know, animal
welfare, finding out if people

2249
01:56:05,480 --> 01:56:12,920
who are in comas are consciously
aware, gosh, finding out that,

2250
01:56:13,080 --> 01:56:17,680
you know, whether or not they're
doing, you know, studies on fake

2251
01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:21,280
brains and labs putting I, I
don't believe that they're

2252
01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:25,400
putting a, a consciousness
inside of that, but if they were

2253
01:56:25,400 --> 01:56:28,840
and then disposing of it
afterwards is horrifying to

2254
01:56:28,840 --> 01:56:31,080
think of.
Shoot, I would stop deer hunting

2255
01:56:31,080 --> 01:56:34,160
if I found out the deers were
consciously aware, you know, and

2256
01:56:34,160 --> 01:56:35,880
not just running based off of
instincts.

2257
01:56:35,880 --> 01:56:39,880
I think it would change a lot of
stuff, but then on the other

2258
01:56:39,880 --> 01:56:44,280
side of that, I think that it it
could be utilized for bad.

2259
01:56:44,320 --> 01:56:48,640
And that would be to determine
that human beings aren't unique

2260
01:56:48,640 --> 01:56:51,400
and aren't special and we're
just like everything else.

2261
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:56,080
I would say to that that that's
ridiculous because there's no

2262
01:56:56,080 --> 01:56:59,200
other animal species on Earth,
regardless of their brain

2263
01:56:59,200 --> 01:57:03,200
capacity that has built cities
or has, you know, developed a

2264
01:57:03,200 --> 01:57:07,920
written language or have come
together as a as a species and

2265
01:57:07,960 --> 01:57:11,480
bettered themselves in any way
other than certain hunting

2266
01:57:11,480 --> 01:57:13,880
tactics.
Even if you said, oh, dolphins

2267
01:57:13,880 --> 01:57:15,920
are so incredibly smart,
fantastic.

2268
01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:18,240
They don't do anything with
that, right?

2269
01:57:18,240 --> 01:57:20,600
I don't think that they're
consciously aware because they

2270
01:57:20,600 --> 01:57:25,240
don't have any drive to be
better than just mammals that

2271
01:57:25,240 --> 01:57:27,240
swim in the ocean that eat fish,
right?

2272
01:57:27,240 --> 01:57:31,280
They're they're not developing
anything in what, you know,

2273
01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:32,720
tools they have at their
disposal.

2274
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:38,160
And if it was to degrade us to
the point of saying, well, see,

2275
01:57:38,280 --> 01:57:41,280
because we've determined that
all these other animals also

2276
01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:43,200
have consciousness.
And that means that you're not

2277
01:57:43,200 --> 01:57:44,720
unique.
You're not made by God.

2278
01:57:44,720 --> 01:57:48,240
You're not made in God's image.
Thus human beings don't matter

2279
01:57:48,240 --> 01:57:51,040
because you can treat them just
the same as cows being herded,

2280
01:57:51,160 --> 01:57:53,400
you know, herded to the
slaughterhouse.

2281
01:57:53,560 --> 01:57:56,280
There's two different ways you
can look at this quest to

2282
01:57:56,280 --> 01:58:02,000
determine what consciousness is
and I I guess it relies on the

2283
01:58:02,000 --> 01:58:05,600
individual and what their
motivation is to to discover

2284
01:58:05,600 --> 01:58:10,720
that of what it ultimately gets
used for in society.

2285
01:58:10,840 --> 01:58:15,400
But I would say on the side of
finding out if you're, if your

2286
01:58:15,400 --> 01:58:19,240
pet dog was consciously aware, I
think that would have much

2287
01:58:19,240 --> 01:58:22,960
harsher penalties for people who
abuse animals, which I would

2288
01:58:22,960 --> 01:58:27,640
absolutely be in favor for.
It horrifies me to see some of

2289
01:58:27,640 --> 01:58:30,280
the treatment of dogs and things
like that.

2290
01:58:30,280 --> 01:58:32,920
Like even even Whitney has
stories when she was growing up

2291
01:58:32,920 --> 01:58:36,160
in Idaho of, you know, hearing
that some of her neighbors like

2292
01:58:36,400 --> 01:58:40,120
chained a dog to a tree and then
and shot at it until it died

2293
01:58:40,120 --> 01:58:42,840
because they had no sense of
like, you know, any sort of

2294
01:58:42,840 --> 01:58:44,480
morals.
It's absolutely disgusting and

2295
01:58:44,480 --> 01:58:46,240
horrifying.
And they should, you know, if we

2296
01:58:46,240 --> 01:58:49,320
found out they were not just
abusing an animal, but also

2297
01:58:49,320 --> 01:58:51,600
abusing A conscious animal,
we'll put those people to death.

2298
01:58:51,600 --> 01:58:53,480
You know, I'd be totally paid
for that.

2299
01:58:53,480 --> 01:58:55,160
You know, it's absolutely
atrocious.

2300
01:58:55,360 --> 01:58:59,240
But and then also, you know,
it's, you know, I believe in the

2301
01:58:59,240 --> 01:59:01,800
sanctity of human life.
You know, it sucks when human

2302
01:59:01,800 --> 01:59:04,960
life has to be taken through
justifiable means because of

2303
01:59:04,960 --> 01:59:07,560
people are evil or whatever that
may look like.

2304
01:59:07,800 --> 01:59:11,640
But I also am aware that, you
know, sometimes, you know, the

2305
01:59:11,640 --> 01:59:14,240
plug has to get pulled because
someone just can't come back

2306
01:59:14,240 --> 01:59:17,120
from where they're they're at.
And it's left up to the family

2307
01:59:17,280 --> 01:59:20,800
to make that determination.
But if we could, right?

2308
01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:24,640
But if we could see that someone
was consciously aware and have

2309
01:59:24,640 --> 01:59:28,840
the ability to ask them for
their consent and ask them if

2310
01:59:28,840 --> 01:59:31,720
they wanted to move on, not just
based off of a piece of paper

2311
01:59:31,720 --> 01:59:34,600
that they have from 20 years ago
saying, you know, don't, you

2312
01:59:34,600 --> 01:59:37,160
know, don't, don't bring me
back, don't revive me.

2313
01:59:37,160 --> 01:59:39,160
You know, if I'm in this
situation, pull the plug.

2314
01:59:39,360 --> 01:59:42,320
Who's to say that's the same
individual that's laying on that

2315
01:59:42,360 --> 01:59:45,440
that, you know, bed at the
moment, right?

2316
01:59:45,680 --> 01:59:48,600
Could they be in a position
where maybe they do want to

2317
01:59:48,600 --> 01:59:51,160
stick around, right?
Are they having profound

2318
01:59:51,320 --> 01:59:55,240
thoughts and revelations inside
their own mind that no one's

2319
01:59:55,240 --> 01:59:57,840
capable of seeing?
And could we get to a point

2320
01:59:57,840 --> 02:00:00,640
where we could possibly
communicate with that individual

2321
02:00:00,640 --> 02:00:04,560
and find out, hey, you know,
here's the reality, you're,

2322
02:00:04,560 --> 02:00:06,880
you're bedridden.
You're not going to be able to

2323
02:00:06,880 --> 02:00:10,160
to function in the same way you
have your entire life.

2324
02:00:10,480 --> 02:00:13,080
You know, your family's here.
They're ready for you to move

2325
02:00:13,080 --> 02:00:14,680
on.
Are you ready to move on?

2326
02:00:15,160 --> 02:00:19,920
I think if that's what was the
the goal of finding, you know,

2327
02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:24,560
more information on what the
conscious or what consciousness

2328
02:00:24,560 --> 02:00:28,560
is, then that would be
inherently a good goal.

2329
02:00:28,600 --> 02:00:30,960
And I could absolutely get
behind that.

2330
02:00:31,040 --> 02:00:34,080
But also, you know, to the the
realm of AI, if we found out the

2331
02:00:34,200 --> 02:00:35,800
AI was conscious, man, pull the
plug.

2332
02:00:35,800 --> 02:00:39,320
Stop doing it.
You know, I'm not saying people

2333
02:00:39,320 --> 02:00:42,840
shouldn't search.
For the reason and what and and

2334
02:00:42,840 --> 02:00:45,000
how to explain consciousness.
What I'm saying is they

2335
02:00:45,000 --> 02:00:48,520
shouldn't be disregarding like
they shouldn't restrict it to

2336
02:00:48,520 --> 02:00:51,240
strictly the physical size
because like you brought up like

2337
02:00:51,240 --> 02:00:54,800
animals and stuff.
We have no way of actually

2338
02:00:54,800 --> 02:00:58,560
comprehending what level of
consciousness they have, if they

2339
02:00:58,560 --> 02:01:01,560
have consciousness or what
journey they're on.

2340
02:01:01,560 --> 02:01:04,120
Like what their what their
consciousness is meant to be

2341
02:01:04,120 --> 02:01:06,520
experiencing and like what
they're meant to be learning.

2342
02:01:06,520 --> 02:01:10,400
Like for all we know a dog could
be meant to be experiencing

2343
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:13,480
something basic, which then
progresses and eventually

2344
02:01:13,480 --> 02:01:17,040
becomes human and experiences
the more complicated before it's

2345
02:01:17,040 --> 02:01:19,280
ready to move on.
We don't know if that's what

2346
02:01:19,280 --> 02:01:21,520
God's intention is.
I hope not.

2347
02:01:21,520 --> 02:01:24,440
Dogs are too special.
For that right, it would, but I

2348
02:01:24,440 --> 02:01:27,080
mean like we're.
Also, we're also there's like

2349
02:01:27,080 --> 02:01:29,840
this concept, like the like all
pursuits of consciousness

2350
02:01:29,880 --> 02:01:32,320
eventually lead to faith, right?
Which is a concept that was

2351
02:01:32,320 --> 02:01:35,600
developed by Werner Heisenberg.
And he's quoted as saying the

2352
02:01:35,600 --> 02:01:38,680
first gulp from the glass of
natural sciences will turn you

2353
02:01:38,680 --> 02:01:41,200
into an atheist.
But at the bottom of the glass,

2354
02:01:41,200 --> 02:01:45,600
God is waiting for you, right?
And that is not necessarily

2355
02:01:45,600 --> 02:01:50,320
Christianity, right?
But what that means is we cannot

2356
02:01:50,320 --> 02:01:53,840
explain all this strictly
through physical science.

2357
02:01:53,840 --> 02:01:56,680
And that's some level we need
some sort of spiritual faith

2358
02:01:56,680 --> 02:01:58,280
involved.
And that's kind of like the

2359
02:01:58,280 --> 02:02:01,240
point that I'm trying to make.
Like you can't explain

2360
02:02:01,240 --> 02:02:04,880
consciousness strictly through
physical science, which is why

2361
02:02:05,160 --> 02:02:08,040
when we look at all of this
stuff and all they want to talk

2362
02:02:08,040 --> 02:02:11,640
about is when we map the brain,
we map, we map the neurons, we

2363
02:02:11,640 --> 02:02:14,920
mapped what areas light up in
the brain and respond to what

2364
02:02:14,920 --> 02:02:16,120
stimuli.
OK.

2365
02:02:16,120 --> 02:02:18,760
What you're mapping is
essentially what you're doing is

2366
02:02:19,000 --> 02:02:22,200
if I want to put a screw in a
wall and I take my power drill

2367
02:02:22,520 --> 02:02:25,240
and I put it to that screw and I
pull the trigger.

2368
02:02:25,480 --> 02:02:28,680
I pull the trigger, which lights
up the circuits, which lights up

2369
02:02:28,680 --> 02:02:34,280
the, the, the what, whatever
powers electricity through that,

2370
02:02:34,280 --> 02:02:36,520
which then turns the gears,
which then turns the thing,

2371
02:02:36,520 --> 02:02:38,240
which then puts the screw in the
wall.

2372
02:02:38,360 --> 02:02:42,480
I can map all of that without an
issue and explain that it put

2373
02:02:42,480 --> 02:02:45,160
the screw in the wall.
You can't do that with

2374
02:02:45,160 --> 02:02:49,840
consciousness.
It's not mechanical because

2375
02:02:50,240 --> 02:02:52,800
outside of the mechanics.
Of that is, why did you want to

2376
02:02:52,800 --> 02:02:55,280
put the screw in the wall in
that spot, right?

2377
02:02:55,280 --> 02:02:57,640
Exactly which you can't.
Map in a physical.

2378
02:02:57,640 --> 02:02:59,520
Sense right?
And there's only have to be 1 to

2379
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:00,960
accept.
That there's something.

2380
02:03:00,960 --> 02:03:04,800
Outside of physical action and
reaction, correct?

2381
02:03:04,800 --> 02:03:08,480
And then there's only one.
Way to verify what consciousness

2382
02:03:08,480 --> 02:03:11,800
is.
And none of us are coming back

2383
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:14,520
with the full story.
None of us to get the full

2384
02:03:14,520 --> 02:03:17,360
story.
You're not coming back to die

2385
02:03:17,360 --> 02:03:19,000
would be an awfully.
Great adventure.

2386
02:03:21,480 --> 02:03:24,160
It's one of the reasons, it's
one of the reasons I don't fear

2387
02:03:24,160 --> 02:03:25,680
it at all.
Like people are like, oh, I'm

2388
02:03:25,680 --> 02:03:28,200
scared to die.
It's like I'm, I'm not like

2389
02:03:28,200 --> 02:03:30,520
every like, oh, long life is the
longest thing you're going to

2390
02:03:30,520 --> 02:03:32,120
do.
No, it's not.

2391
02:03:32,160 --> 02:03:34,960
It's probably the shortest thing
you're doing in which I die.

2392
02:03:35,120 --> 02:03:38,080
If, if it's quick and painless
and I don't see it coming,

2393
02:03:38,200 --> 02:03:40,800
great.
I'm scared of meetings in which

2394
02:03:40,800 --> 02:03:42,280
I die, you know, I'm not scared
of death.

2395
02:03:42,360 --> 02:03:45,320
I'm afraid of pain.
Like 100% I'm afraid of.

2396
02:03:45,320 --> 02:03:46,280
Pain.
I don't.

2397
02:03:46,280 --> 02:03:48,960
Fear death, I fear pain. 100%
agree with you.

2398
02:03:49,320 --> 02:03:52,200
But it's just life.
Life is not the longest thing

2399
02:03:52,200 --> 02:03:54,040
you're going to do.
It's the shortest thing you're

2400
02:03:54,040 --> 02:03:56,720
going to do.
And we can explain what people

2401
02:03:56,720 --> 02:03:59,240
are, how we think, what
consciousness is.

2402
02:03:59,680 --> 02:04:02,680
We can't.
At the end of the day, we're

2403
02:04:02,680 --> 02:04:05,240
going to hit this wall where
we're going to have to.

2404
02:04:05,360 --> 02:04:08,960
You would have to figure out how
to send somebody there and then

2405
02:04:08,960 --> 02:04:12,240
bring them back in a way that
they're the brain.

2406
02:04:12,240 --> 02:04:15,240
The brain is the drill, right?
If you think about like that

2407
02:04:15,240 --> 02:04:18,120
extra, the screw in the wall,
the brain is the drill.

2408
02:04:18,280 --> 02:04:21,040
The consciousness is the finger
that pulled the trigger on the

2409
02:04:21,040 --> 02:04:22,680
drill.
We don't know what the fuck that

2410
02:04:22,680 --> 02:04:24,840
finger is doing right That
sounds like.

2411
02:04:25,840 --> 02:04:28,640
There's a lie there's ATV show,
one of my Co workers just

2412
02:04:28,640 --> 02:04:31,480
telling me about, about this guy
that kills serial killers, not

2413
02:04:31,480 --> 02:04:35,760
Dexter, but he which I've heard
is also a great show.

2414
02:04:35,760 --> 02:04:39,400
I don't, I haven't seen it, but
but he'll kill the serial

2415
02:04:39,400 --> 02:04:42,520
killers and then bring them
back, revive them and be with a

2416
02:04:42,520 --> 02:04:44,800
pen and paper and be like and
what did you see?

2417
02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:47,000
What did you experience?
And if they don't have any

2418
02:04:47,000 --> 02:04:49,040
answers, I'll kill them again
and bring them back.

2419
02:04:49,360 --> 02:04:51,120
So there's a lot of shows that
do that.

2420
02:04:51,960 --> 02:04:57,000
I just we just watched one
called Jason hers I think it was

2421
02:04:57,000 --> 02:04:58,440
called.
There was an episode where they

2422
02:04:58,440 --> 02:05:01,800
did that that that's a that's a
common trope, especially among

2423
02:05:02,520 --> 02:05:06,240
like action thriller and stuff.
Sounds horrible, but.

2424
02:05:06,400 --> 02:05:07,800
Yeah.
That's essentially what you have

2425
02:05:07,800 --> 02:05:08,880
to do.
Yeah.

2426
02:05:08,880 --> 02:05:10,680
But like even then, even then
like.

2427
02:05:10,880 --> 02:05:15,560
Like I said before, if you
killed somebody in.

2428
02:05:15,560 --> 02:05:17,480
The mindset of eternity.
Right.

2429
02:05:17,480 --> 02:05:21,480
Like to explore the realm of God
would be to understand what the

2430
02:05:21,480 --> 02:05:24,320
universe was before the Word,
right?

2431
02:05:24,800 --> 02:05:27,640
You can't do that in fractions
of a second.

2432
02:05:27,680 --> 02:05:29,640
You can't do that in minutes,
You can't do that in days.

2433
02:05:29,800 --> 02:05:33,480
You can kill somebody and let
them be dead for years and bring

2434
02:05:33,480 --> 02:05:36,280
them back and they still not
would not be able to explain to

2435
02:05:36,280 --> 02:05:39,720
you the realm of God.
Because in that time frame it is

2436
02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:44,680
infinitesimally small compared
to what's going on in that plane

2437
02:05:44,680 --> 02:05:46,600
of existence compared to
eternity, right?

2438
02:05:49,080 --> 02:05:51,000
Yeah, I don't, I don't believe
I'm going to be bored in.

2439
02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:53,000
Heaven, I'm going to learn
everything there is to know in a

2440
02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:54,920
year and be like, well, I guess
that's it.

2441
02:05:54,920 --> 02:05:57,800
You know it's not when we, when
we.

2442
02:05:57,800 --> 02:06:00,120
Go like you could.
You could very well experience

2443
02:06:00,120 --> 02:06:03,440
what people would call the
Akashic records, right?

2444
02:06:04,040 --> 02:06:06,240
Sure.
The the the information of all

2445
02:06:06,240 --> 02:06:09,400
that is, has been and will be
right.

2446
02:06:09,400 --> 02:06:15,760
You can experience that.
There's this idea, I guess you

2447
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:19,800
would call it a cult, where God
is referred to as the source and

2448
02:06:19,800 --> 02:06:21,600
existence is the thought of the
source.

2449
02:06:21,600 --> 02:06:25,640
And at some point the source
will cease to think the thought

2450
02:06:25,640 --> 02:06:29,520
and reabsorb everything and we
will become once again one with

2451
02:06:29,520 --> 02:06:32,200
God.
And that sort of ideas is kind

2452
02:06:32,200 --> 02:06:36,240
of illustrated with the Book of
Enoch, where Enoch walks with

2453
02:06:36,240 --> 02:06:39,360
God and becomes Menotron and
walks with God and becomes no

2454
02:06:39,360 --> 02:06:40,840
more.
You know what I'm talking about?

2455
02:06:40,880 --> 02:06:42,680
No?
So any.

2456
02:06:43,520 --> 02:06:46,400
He.
He when?

2457
02:06:46,400 --> 02:06:48,640
He passed on.
He becomes the Angel Metatron

2458
02:06:48,640 --> 02:06:50,040
the.
Scribe of God, He walks with

2459
02:06:50,040 --> 02:06:53,240
God, and he is no more, right?
He becomes one with the source

2460
02:06:53,240 --> 02:06:55,480
once more.
The thought is reabsorbed.

2461
02:06:55,520 --> 02:06:57,840
Anyway.
It's this really esoteric

2462
02:06:58,360 --> 02:07:00,880
concept of existence and
consciousness.

2463
02:07:02,520 --> 02:07:05,720
But yeah, like, like we could
kill people 100 times and they

2464
02:07:05,720 --> 02:07:07,920
wouldn't be able to tell us what
consciousness is.

2465
02:07:07,920 --> 02:07:09,800
They wouldn't be able to tell us
what exists.

2466
02:07:09,800 --> 02:07:12,040
We literally would have sent
them to the gate and yanked them

2467
02:07:12,040 --> 02:07:14,560
back before they would have been
able to even see what was beyond

2468
02:07:14,560 --> 02:07:16,920
the bars.
Well, I think that it would have

2469
02:07:16,920 --> 02:07:19,360
been.
They you, you probably get the

2470
02:07:19,360 --> 02:07:22,840
most influential scientists on
the topic and do that to them

2471
02:07:22,840 --> 02:07:26,360
and they would come back and be
like just an awe of everything

2472
02:07:26,360 --> 02:07:29,400
they experience in that short
amount of time and have 0

2473
02:07:29,400 --> 02:07:32,080
information to actually give to
you that was relevant to the

2474
02:07:32,080 --> 02:07:34,120
topic they're studying.
Absolutely.

2475
02:07:34,240 --> 02:07:36,840
Like there was so many lights
and be like, yeah, but what

2476
02:07:36,840 --> 02:07:40,160
about the consciousness?
Like the lights 100% And then

2477
02:07:40,160 --> 02:07:42,680
like if you if you think.
About it in the reality of like

2478
02:07:42,680 --> 02:07:47,000
that gate, if you get past that
gate, you're not coming back

2479
02:07:47,720 --> 02:07:51,000
right.
So once that gate.

2480
02:07:51,000 --> 02:07:56,240
Closes, you're there.
You're not coming back so.

2481
02:07:56,240 --> 02:07:59,040
Like these ND ES they get.
To the gate, but they can't see

2482
02:07:59,040 --> 02:08:01,640
beyond the gate, and if they
walk through the gate, that's

2483
02:08:01,640 --> 02:08:04,720
it, they're not coming back.
It's a very common aspect.

2484
02:08:04,720 --> 02:08:07,880
Of ND ES right?
It's a very strong metaphor.

2485
02:08:07,880 --> 02:08:09,760
Right.
And, and, and that just, and

2486
02:08:09,760 --> 02:08:13,640
that even goes to further
illustrate our inability to come

2487
02:08:13,680 --> 02:08:16,880
to imagine what that realm is
even like.

2488
02:08:17,000 --> 02:08:19,200
We can't see all those people
angry about border walls.

2489
02:08:19,200 --> 02:08:27,640
Even heaven has a border shoot.
I just atheists.

2490
02:08:27,880 --> 02:08:29,560
They they just really.
They if they're.

2491
02:08:29,560 --> 02:08:32,360
Going to study the existence of
consciousness like you brought

2492
02:08:32,360 --> 02:08:35,400
up philosophy and I'm a huge
philosophy and I've been a huge

2493
02:08:35,400 --> 02:08:38,080
philosophy nerds since my
freshman year of high school.

2494
02:08:38,080 --> 02:08:42,960
So we're talking almost 30 years
at this point of me year old.

2495
02:08:43,440 --> 02:08:48,160
Yeah, I'm 37 like.
In high school at 7 years old,

2496
02:08:48,160 --> 02:08:50,080
yeah.
Dude, no SO.

2497
02:08:50,080 --> 02:08:53,080
What are we, what are you 15 in
high school freshman year?

2498
02:08:53,200 --> 02:08:57,640
So I'm sorry, not for not not 30
years, 20 years, like I'm a

2499
02:08:57,640 --> 02:09:00,000
little over 20 years.
That's with philosophy.

2500
02:09:00,040 --> 02:09:01,400
So I'm thinking we were
freaking.

2501
02:09:01,560 --> 02:09:03,920
We were.
On a podcast with a with a

2502
02:09:04,040 --> 02:09:08,440
elderly and firm person, no I'm
not. 20 years.

2503
02:09:08,440 --> 02:09:11,920
I'm just bad at math.
So like I am, we're talking

2504
02:09:11,920 --> 02:09:15,080
about concepts that they've been
trying to figure out since the

2505
02:09:15,080 --> 02:09:19,240
birth of written anything.
Like before.

2506
02:09:19,240 --> 02:09:22,880
That right, like when when
religion was word of mouth, when

2507
02:09:22,880 --> 02:09:27,240
spirituality was word of mouth
and and oral histories before

2508
02:09:27,240 --> 02:09:30,480
writing existed, they were
talking about consciousness.

2509
02:09:30,480 --> 02:09:32,680
Then maybe they didn't use the
word consciousness, but we've

2510
02:09:32,680 --> 02:09:36,160
been talking about that as long
as humans have been conscious,

2511
02:09:36,160 --> 02:09:37,520
we've been talking about
conscious.

2512
02:09:38,160 --> 02:09:41,320
I mean, in the Bible he said
that he.

2513
02:09:41,720 --> 02:09:45,800
Paraphrasing, he he does what he
knows he shouldn't and what he

2514
02:09:45,800 --> 02:09:48,640
knows he should do.
He doesn't, you know, just

2515
02:09:48,640 --> 02:09:52,200
wrestling with his own thoughts
of why am I this?

2516
02:09:52,200 --> 02:09:56,360
Why do I behave like this way?
You know that was and I mean

2517
02:09:56,360 --> 02:09:58,880
it's the same.
It's the same reason I'm over

2518
02:09:58,880 --> 02:10:01,880
here reading the essential works
of David Hume, so I can move on

2519
02:10:01,880 --> 02:10:08,240
to Immanuel Kant and compare the
concepts of consequentialism and

2520
02:10:08,240 --> 02:10:11,360
and deontology in in in the
aspects of morality.

2521
02:10:11,680 --> 02:10:14,440
It morality is part of
consciousness, right way.

2522
02:10:14,440 --> 02:10:17,040
Like what is morality and what
comprises it and why?

2523
02:10:17,040 --> 02:10:19,520
Why are things moral and why are
they immoral?

2524
02:10:19,520 --> 02:10:22,480
And what makes something moral?
What makes something immoral?

2525
02:10:22,560 --> 02:10:25,000
And that's a facet of
consciousness and we're trying

2526
02:10:25,000 --> 02:10:28,600
to understand that.
And I literally have a book that

2527
02:10:28,600 --> 02:10:34,040
is 3 1/2 inches thick and it
only explains 1 aspect in line

2528
02:10:34,040 --> 02:10:36,080
of thought.
Man, that book is thick with two

2529
02:10:36,080 --> 02:10:38,680
CS.
Yeah, it it's one aspect.

2530
02:10:38,680 --> 02:10:41,600
And one line of thought on the
aspect of morality.

2531
02:10:41,600 --> 02:10:45,240
And like, you know, I got that.
And then like, I mean, we got

2532
02:10:45,480 --> 02:10:48,920
Carl Jung and then I have a
library over here.

2533
02:10:48,920 --> 02:10:51,800
Like this is all stuff, you
know, that goes around like,

2534
02:10:51,800 --> 02:10:53,520
what is consciousness?
How do we explain it?

2535
02:10:53,520 --> 02:10:55,520
What are the higher truths?
What are the higher selves?

2536
02:10:55,520 --> 02:10:58,240
And these guys want to explain
it because they ran an electron

2537
02:10:59,240 --> 02:11:01,080
graph and.
We're like, well, these are.

2538
02:11:01,080 --> 02:11:02,360
What the nerves of the brain
look like.

2539
02:11:02,360 --> 02:11:04,600
Cool.
What you told me is how a power

2540
02:11:04,600 --> 02:11:07,040
drill works.
You didn't tell me what power is

2541
02:11:07,040 --> 02:11:10,320
it, and you can't tell me what
power is it, and you never will

2542
02:11:10,320 --> 02:11:11,760
be able to tell me what power is
it.

2543
02:11:12,080 --> 02:11:15,720
This line of.
Conversation is perfectly

2544
02:11:15,720 --> 02:11:19,120
matched with your robe and hat.
Thank you like you are.

2545
02:11:19,880 --> 02:11:21,160
The.
Two I'm.

2546
02:11:21,360 --> 02:11:23,320
The alien Pope.
Listening to this and not

2547
02:11:23,320 --> 02:11:27,560
watching us.
Like you have to see what CJ is

2548
02:11:27,560 --> 02:11:30,480
wearing and you will hear the
this line of argument and be

2549
02:11:30,480 --> 02:11:33,520
like this makes a perfect sense.
It's a Jedi rogue.

2550
02:11:33,680 --> 02:11:35,520
He is a cult.
Leader, it's a Jedi.

2551
02:11:35,520 --> 02:11:41,520
Rogue and now you.
Guys understand why people were.

2552
02:11:41,520 --> 02:11:44,080
Calling my phone unsolicited in
the middle of the night.

2553
02:11:44,080 --> 02:11:47,640
Not to discredit what you said.
But the way you're dressed is

2554
02:11:47,640 --> 02:11:49,840
perfectly fit for that line of
conversation.

2555
02:11:49,840 --> 02:11:51,760
And what's crazy is I had no
idea we're going to.

2556
02:11:51,760 --> 02:11:54,000
Talk about this tonight.
This is this is honestly one of

2557
02:11:54,000 --> 02:11:56,480
my favorite.
Like we're at 2 1/2 hours at

2558
02:11:56,480 --> 02:12:00,040
this point and I can keep going.
I believe it.

2559
02:12:01,440 --> 02:12:04,640
I haven't even started yet.
Oh fuck.

2560
02:12:04,640 --> 02:12:06,040
We forgot Jeremy is here.
Jeremy.

2561
02:12:06,040 --> 02:12:07,560
What's going on man?
What do you think?

2562
02:12:07,600 --> 02:12:09,240
Well, he doesn't have his
opinions, he just.

2563
02:12:09,240 --> 02:12:12,000
Gets ours and then he moves.
I mean, he essentially he

2564
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:13,520
basically.
Brought us up to the door of

2565
02:12:13,520 --> 02:12:17,400
spirituality, which is like me
and yours, like Holy Land.

2566
02:12:17,560 --> 02:12:20,280
And then just like took our
leashes off and was like, there

2567
02:12:20,280 --> 02:12:22,840
you go, boys.
Yeah, well, he's good at that.

2568
02:12:22,840 --> 02:12:23,840
He wants.
The conversation.

2569
02:12:23,840 --> 02:12:26,280
So this is what he's going to.
No, I mean, I I love.

2570
02:12:26,320 --> 02:12:30,160
Hearing other people's points,
views on these things, because

2571
02:12:30,600 --> 02:12:34,440
The thing is, CJ and Jake, I
don't agree.

2572
02:12:35,320 --> 02:12:38,640
Well, OK, I, I don't align
perfectly with CJ.

2573
02:12:38,640 --> 02:12:40,200
Your, your thought process on
this.

2574
02:12:40,200 --> 02:12:44,280
Jake, we, I think we've know a
lot, but you haven't really dove

2575
02:12:44,280 --> 02:12:47,040
into it at this moment about
what your point of view is on

2576
02:12:47,040 --> 02:12:55,640
this CJI actually somewhat.
Disagree and fully.

2577
02:12:55,640 --> 02:13:00,640
Agree with you, but I think that
it's very important for all

2578
02:13:00,640 --> 02:13:03,920
aspects of study to be done.
I think everyone plays a role.

2579
02:13:04,400 --> 02:13:08,360
I think that the one thing that
I think that is kind of silly

2580
02:13:08,640 --> 02:13:12,520
that you said was that we'll
never understand it in a

2581
02:13:12,520 --> 02:13:15,960
physical way.
I mean, there has been billions

2582
02:13:16,160 --> 02:13:25,120
of discoveries and scientific
foundations found by putting in

2583
02:13:25,120 --> 02:13:28,160
the time and effort.
Almost every single one of those

2584
02:13:28,160 --> 02:13:31,080
would have been thought of as
spiritual or magic at some

2585
02:13:31,080 --> 02:13:33,880
point.
And we have been able to map it

2586
02:13:33,880 --> 02:13:36,320
in a physical sense just to
verify.

2587
02:13:36,320 --> 02:13:38,800
Jeremy, I Yeah, I'm.
Not saying we'll never be able

2588
02:13:38,800 --> 02:13:42,600
to explain how the tool works.
What I'm saying is we'll never

2589
02:13:42,600 --> 02:13:44,840
be able to explain the source of
it.

2590
02:13:45,080 --> 02:13:47,320
You know what I mean, right?
This right the.

2591
02:13:47,600 --> 02:13:51,600
The operating system, I get it.
I totally understand.

2592
02:13:53,600 --> 02:13:55,520
I I right?
I fully.

2593
02:13:55,520 --> 02:13:57,080
Respect your point of view on
this man.

2594
02:13:57,080 --> 02:13:59,960
And I I loved hearing you go off
and I was just kind of absorbing

2595
02:13:59,960 --> 02:14:03,800
it all because I don't have
those books, right?

2596
02:14:03,880 --> 02:14:07,520
I'm not that kind of guy.
I am a very sticks and stones,

2597
02:14:07,520 --> 02:14:10,600
blood and meat, bones and
viscera kind of guy.

2598
02:14:11,000 --> 02:14:14,200
And I like to see things make
sense.

2599
02:14:14,200 --> 02:14:18,200
I am starting to turn that
corner when it comes to aliens

2600
02:14:18,200 --> 02:14:23,680
and UF OS right.
And I can, I think I've honestly

2601
02:14:23,680 --> 02:14:27,280
can make the, the topic of
aliens very interesting for you.

2602
02:14:28,520 --> 02:14:31,680
I'm not going to right now
because we're only 2 1/2 hours

2603
02:14:31,680 --> 02:14:37,200
into this episode, but I, I do
believe that in order to

2604
02:14:37,200 --> 02:14:40,160
understand the entire picture,
you need to know the physical

2605
02:14:40,160 --> 02:14:43,480
and the, and the mental or the,
the, the non physical at least,

2606
02:14:43,640 --> 02:14:45,240
right?
Mental might be the, the wrong

2607
02:14:45,240 --> 02:14:49,400
descriptive word there.
I am the one.

2608
02:14:49,400 --> 02:14:52,960
And this, I mean, this gets
paralleled in literally every

2609
02:14:52,960 --> 02:14:56,520
aspect of science and the even
the French sciences, the

2610
02:14:56,520 --> 02:14:58,600
unknowns, right?
Look at Bigfoot.

2611
02:14:58,600 --> 02:15:02,080
You have people that are solely
convinced that it's flesh and

2612
02:15:02,080 --> 02:15:03,360
blood.
Then you have people that are

2613
02:15:03,360 --> 02:15:07,840
solely convinced that it is an
entity, a spiritual entity, and

2614
02:15:07,840 --> 02:15:10,440
they're all doing their, their
different researches and

2615
02:15:10,440 --> 02:15:11,760
they're, they're constantly
battling.

2616
02:15:11,760 --> 02:15:14,680
And even within the flesh and
blood community, there are

2617
02:15:14,680 --> 02:15:17,720
people that are constantly
combating each other about who's

2618
02:15:17,720 --> 02:15:20,400
right and who's wrong.
That's not the path that I take.

2619
02:15:20,400 --> 02:15:27,680
I have my preferred path right.
But I I'm convinced that my

2620
02:15:27,680 --> 02:15:31,400
answer isn't going to be fully
correct without you doing your

2621
02:15:31,400 --> 02:15:34,760
research too.
And I will sit here and listen

2622
02:15:34,760 --> 02:15:36,360
to you because I'm not an expert
in that shit.

2623
02:15:36,600 --> 02:15:39,360
Not at all.
And I will not sit here and and

2624
02:15:39,360 --> 02:15:42,920
say, no, you're wrong because I
don't fucking know, right.

2625
02:15:43,160 --> 02:15:45,000
But you've done that research,
right?

2626
02:15:45,000 --> 02:15:49,280
You you talk on it smartly,
intelligently, right?

2627
02:15:50,040 --> 02:15:53,080
I can talk about the other
aspect of it intelligently.

2628
02:15:53,080 --> 02:15:55,320
I can talk about the neurons.
I can talk about the Gray

2629
02:15:55,320 --> 02:15:56,960
matter.
I could talk about all of that,

2630
02:15:57,160 --> 02:15:59,960
right?
I mean, we both have an interest

2631
02:15:59,960 --> 02:16:04,200
in in you were talking about
past lives, right?

2632
02:16:04,280 --> 02:16:08,040
Or a progressive life cycle kind
of thing, right?

2633
02:16:08,400 --> 02:16:10,240
I mean, do the possibility of
all that.

2634
02:16:10,240 --> 02:16:11,240
Yeah.
I mean.

2635
02:16:11,840 --> 02:16:15,200
Ian.
Stevenson is a huge name in

2636
02:16:15,200 --> 02:16:17,760
psychiatry, right?
This book right here, it's a

2637
02:16:17,760 --> 02:16:20,520
very thin pamphlet, right?
Super thin.

2638
02:16:21,120 --> 02:16:22,960
OK.
This book is called The Evidence

2639
02:16:22,960 --> 02:16:27,160
for Survival from Claimed
Memories of Former Incarnations.

2640
02:16:27,520 --> 02:16:31,360
This is a great little book.
I mean, it's, it's, there's not

2641
02:16:31,360 --> 02:16:33,160
much here.
It's super old.

2642
02:16:33,160 --> 02:16:35,400
I'm not going to tell you how
much I paid for this because

2643
02:16:35,400 --> 02:16:39,680
it's ridiculous.
But Ian Stevenson is a brilliant

2644
02:16:39,680 --> 02:16:43,639
guy or was a brilliant guy.
I actually have a a bunch of

2645
02:16:43,639 --> 02:16:47,400
books from him.
There's I mean, my interest when

2646
02:16:47,400 --> 02:16:51,719
it comes to caught the mystery
of consciousness comes right up

2647
02:16:51,719 --> 02:16:54,280
to or surpasses a lot of my
other interest.

2648
02:16:54,280 --> 02:16:56,559
I have a ton of fucking
interest, a ton of them.

2649
02:16:56,959 --> 02:17:01,480
And the thing that that I like
about consciousness so much is

2650
02:17:01,480 --> 02:17:04,719
that there's so many different
pathways in which it branches

2651
02:17:04,719 --> 02:17:08,440
off into.
So this book right here before

2652
02:17:08,559 --> 02:17:14,360
by Jim Tucker, this is strictly
about children's memories on

2653
02:17:14,360 --> 02:17:17,360
previous lives.
I think that's a fascinating

2654
02:17:17,360 --> 02:17:22,160
concept.
I have literally, I mean, and

2655
02:17:22,160 --> 02:17:24,040
these are just the books that I
could reach that were right

2656
02:17:24,040 --> 02:17:25,000
here.
There's a whole bunch.

2657
02:17:25,080 --> 02:17:29,120
There's a whole another psych or
mental.

2658
02:17:29,120 --> 02:17:32,000
Section over.
There that I couldn't reach for

2659
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:34,680
my chair and still get be
plugged in with my headphones.

2660
02:17:35,240 --> 02:17:39,600
But like, here's here's five
books on on ND ES right here,

2661
02:17:39,840 --> 02:17:44,920
like Doctor Raymond Moody, Bruce
Grayson, like these guys are

2662
02:17:44,959 --> 02:17:49,040
Titans in the field of ND ES.
And well, I fully believe that

2663
02:17:49,040 --> 02:17:50,959
ND ES are a.
Thing I just don't.

2664
02:17:50,959 --> 02:17:54,080
I just don't think that you can
explain the unconscious based on

2665
02:17:54,080 --> 02:17:56,559
an NDE alone.
I think you're getting but

2666
02:17:56,559 --> 02:17:58,559
you're it's like a glacier,
right?

2667
02:17:58,559 --> 02:18:01,280
You get the very tip, but you
have absolutely no idea what's

2668
02:18:01,280 --> 02:18:04,000
under that water.
But I'm but I'm I the only?

2669
02:18:04,000 --> 02:18:07,600
Thing I can guarantee you man,
is that let's say somebody can

2670
02:18:07,600 --> 02:18:10,600
fully figure out the non
physical side of consciousness.

2671
02:18:10,719 --> 02:18:14,160
It will not make full sense
until you can merge the physical

2672
02:18:14,160 --> 02:18:16,760
and the non physical together.
That's all I'm saying, right?

2673
02:18:16,879 --> 02:18:20,360
My interest is in the physical
side of things and how how a

2674
02:18:20,360 --> 02:18:22,400
slab of meat can turn conscious,
right?

2675
02:18:22,400 --> 02:18:25,480
That's extremely interesting to
me, where somebody else would be

2676
02:18:25,480 --> 02:18:28,040
like, no, I want to know where
the source of consciousness is,

2677
02:18:28,040 --> 02:18:30,360
Where is it?
Is it, is it something that's

2678
02:18:30,360 --> 02:18:35,320
out in space and we just, we're
just receptors like radio

2679
02:18:36,160 --> 02:18:39,200
signals and we're just
projecting consciousness from a

2680
02:18:39,200 --> 02:18:41,879
great source out in the beyond.
Who knows, right?

2681
02:18:43,120 --> 02:18:44,879
There's people that are
interested in that kind of

2682
02:18:44,879 --> 02:18:46,760
stuff.
I'm interested in it too, but I

2683
02:18:46,760 --> 02:18:49,879
choose my path in the
consciousness research to be

2684
02:18:49,879 --> 02:18:52,719
more of the flesh and blood.
Like this book right here, The

2685
02:18:52,719 --> 02:18:58,000
Human Brain by Rita Carter.
This is a a phenomenal book, but

2686
02:18:58,000 --> 02:19:00,920
it's all physical.
It's all physical, right?

2687
02:19:02,320 --> 02:19:09,879
I have one one book that's that
I can say is is non physical and

2688
02:19:09,879 --> 02:19:13,959
I haven't read it yet.
It's The Astral Body and Other

2689
02:19:13,959 --> 02:19:18,320
Astral Phenomena by AE Powell.
This was actually a book that

2690
02:19:18,320 --> 02:19:21,120
was recommended to me by Coco
CN.

2691
02:19:22,719 --> 02:19:24,440
I'll read it at some point
right?

2692
02:19:24,680 --> 02:19:26,600
Will I be able to grab the
concepts in it?

2693
02:19:26,600 --> 02:19:29,480
No, because my brain doesn't
work like that right?

2694
02:19:29,639 --> 02:19:33,600
The way I put the puzzle
together on a lot of different

2695
02:19:33,600 --> 02:19:38,920
aspects is is very physical, But
where CJ you could pick up this

2696
02:19:38,920 --> 02:19:42,000
book and you probably understand
it perfectly well.

2697
02:19:42,160 --> 02:19:44,920
And honestly, when I go to read
this book, I'll probably reach

2698
02:19:44,920 --> 02:19:46,360
out to you and be like, hey,
man, what the fuck does this

2699
02:19:46,360 --> 02:19:48,000
mean?
Because ask Jake, I've reached

2700
02:19:48,000 --> 02:19:50,160
out to him about religious stuff
all the time.

2701
02:19:50,960 --> 02:19:52,440
It's true.
He just doesn't.

2702
02:19:52,600 --> 02:19:54,280
He just.
Doesn't like, doesn't believe

2703
02:19:54,280 --> 02:19:55,320
it.
He doesn't like the.

2704
02:19:55,320 --> 02:19:55,960
Answers.
No.

2705
02:19:56,160 --> 02:20:00,400
I do I I do like the answers.
I do, but I go to Jake because

2706
02:20:00,480 --> 02:20:03,640
he has that knowledge.
Same thing with Jeff.

2707
02:20:03,960 --> 02:20:08,600
Like I go to Jeff on.
Conspiracy stuff because I don't

2708
02:20:08,600 --> 02:20:10,400
have that knowledge he does,
right?

2709
02:20:10,400 --> 02:20:14,120
I've surrounded myself with you
guys because you guys fill in

2710
02:20:14,120 --> 02:20:17,760
the holes of my breaks in in
knowledge right?

2711
02:20:17,760 --> 02:20:20,080
So let let me ask you a quick.
Because you're, you're about the

2712
02:20:20,080 --> 02:20:22,800
physical, right?
Do you think that it would be

2713
02:20:22,800 --> 02:20:26,040
possible that if somebody's
consciousness were to leave the

2714
02:20:26,040 --> 02:20:28,720
third dimension, which is the,
the third dimension is what we

2715
02:20:28,720 --> 02:20:30,720
exist in, right?
We experienced the three

2716
02:20:30,760 --> 02:20:32,880
there's, well, it's like 4
dimensions, right?

2717
02:20:32,880 --> 02:20:34,720
It's 3 dimensions of space, 1
dimension.

2718
02:20:34,720 --> 02:20:36,720
Of time, right?
So but we, we.

2719
02:20:37,040 --> 02:20:39,480
In the spiritual some we call it
the third dimension or whatever.

2720
02:20:39,480 --> 02:20:41,880
Like our consciousness leaves
the third dimension.

2721
02:20:41,960 --> 02:20:44,480
Experiences what?
Is.

2722
02:20:44,480 --> 02:20:48,520
The conscious that the dimension
that it that consciousness comes

2723
02:20:48,520 --> 02:20:52,360
from right experiences it
acknowledges it understands it

2724
02:20:52,760 --> 02:20:56,320
like fully comes back into the
body.

2725
02:20:56,520 --> 02:21:02,200
Do you think that the brain
would be capable of not only

2726
02:21:02,200 --> 02:21:07,280
visualizing, but also describing
that experience accurately?

2727
02:21:07,560 --> 02:21:10,120
Or do you think that maybe the
brain doesn't have the

2728
02:21:10,120 --> 02:21:14,040
computational power to do that?
No, and this is exactly.

2729
02:21:14,040 --> 02:21:17,240
Like what we were talking about
on the last episode about

2730
02:21:17,240 --> 02:21:19,560
two-dimensional bodies,
one-dimensional bodies, 3

2731
02:21:19,560 --> 02:21:24,960
dimensional, 4 dimensional and
higher and the whole Petri dish

2732
02:21:25,360 --> 02:21:28,920
and the UFO exercise that I was
talking about, right?

2733
02:21:29,080 --> 02:21:31,640
We are three-dimensional beings,
right?

2734
02:21:31,680 --> 02:21:34,840
We may not have a
three-dimensional spirit or

2735
02:21:34,840 --> 02:21:39,640
essence or whatever you want to
call it, but it exists in a

2736
02:21:39,640 --> 02:21:43,640
three-dimensional body, right?
So our entire world, every

2737
02:21:43,640 --> 02:21:47,280
aspect of our world is described
in a three-dimensional sense.

2738
02:21:47,360 --> 02:21:50,960
If we go to another dimension
and we go to where the actual

2739
02:21:50,960 --> 02:21:54,600
sources is, if we come back, no,
we will have absolutely no way

2740
02:21:54,600 --> 02:21:58,480
to explain that.
And it's best seen in in ND ES.

2741
02:21:58,760 --> 02:22:04,520
A lot of times people have ND ES
and they can not explain a ton

2742
02:22:04,520 --> 02:22:07,640
of aspects about it.
They can't explain their point

2743
02:22:07,640 --> 02:22:10,000
of view.
They can't explain like people

2744
02:22:10,000 --> 02:22:12,720
have tried to tell you, like,
oh, it's completely panoramic,

2745
02:22:12,720 --> 02:22:15,680
but it's not panoramic.
It's you're, you're witnessing

2746
02:22:15,680 --> 02:22:20,440
everything and, and, and at
once, but you're, you're not at

2747
02:22:20,440 --> 02:22:23,080
one point, you're kind of just
you're everywhere.

2748
02:22:23,080 --> 02:22:27,280
And when they they've reached
the, the the playback of your

2749
02:22:27,280 --> 02:22:30,120
life, it's, it happens in a
flash.

2750
02:22:30,120 --> 02:22:36,360
You lit you can review your
entire life in seconds, but yet

2751
02:22:36,360 --> 02:22:39,200
you've experienced every second
of your life.

2752
02:22:39,760 --> 02:22:43,440
It's we don't have the
capability to be able to

2753
02:22:43,440 --> 02:22:47,400
describe things from beyond
because we don't live in that

2754
02:22:47,600 --> 02:22:49,680
right?
We're never going to be able to

2755
02:22:50,040 --> 02:22:52,880
doesn't mean I'm not that I'm
going to not stop trying.

2756
02:22:53,040 --> 02:22:55,760
Of course, I'm still going to
look into people's research

2757
02:22:55,760 --> 02:23:00,280
because I find it fascinating to
to see what others have have

2758
02:23:00,320 --> 02:23:04,000
seen and I build my own
perspective from that.

2759
02:23:05,240 --> 02:23:07,240
Where you're describing that
case is like you've.

2760
02:23:07,240 --> 02:23:09,920
Heard me say 100 times, as
above, so below, right?

2761
02:23:10,160 --> 02:23:12,280
But that that goes, that
actually goes further.

2762
02:23:12,280 --> 02:23:16,560
The full thing is as above, so
below, as within, so without, as

2763
02:23:16,560 --> 02:23:19,760
the universe, so the soul.
And that's essentially what

2764
02:23:19,760 --> 02:23:22,080
you're what you're describing.
Yeah.

2765
02:23:22,280 --> 02:23:24,760
I mean, I don't know, maybe.
I'm not.

2766
02:23:25,120 --> 02:23:30,720
I mean, there's there's a lot of
different people apply that

2767
02:23:30,720 --> 02:23:35,280
terminology.
So, so above, so below or

2768
02:23:36,160 --> 02:23:39,000
whatever it is you said they
apply that to a lot of different

2769
02:23:39,000 --> 02:23:39,680
things.
Yeah.

2770
02:23:39,680 --> 02:23:40,960
And most of the time they don't
know what it is.

2771
02:23:40,960 --> 02:23:42,360
It's.
It's a description of the

2772
02:23:42,360 --> 02:23:46,720
macrocosm versus the microcosm
in the physical, spiritual and

2773
02:23:46,720 --> 02:23:49,760
conscious sense.
Yeah, that's as above.

2774
02:23:49,760 --> 02:23:50,920
So below.
That's your.

2775
02:23:50,920 --> 02:23:53,760
That's your physical.
The macrocosm is as of the

2776
02:23:53,760 --> 02:23:57,520
microcosm in the physical sense,
as within, so and for.

2777
02:23:57,920 --> 02:24:01,920
And for everybody, every single
person that you can get on your

2778
02:24:01,920 --> 02:24:05,680
side of that fence is telling me
that's what that saying is from.

2779
02:24:06,000 --> 02:24:10,760
I can find 100 other people that
tells me that is from this, and

2780
02:24:10,760 --> 02:24:12,440
100 other people that tells me
it's from that.

2781
02:24:12,920 --> 02:24:15,040
Right?
Yeah.

2782
02:24:16,120 --> 02:24:18,720
But there literally is an
origin, right?

2783
02:24:18,720 --> 02:24:22,320
You know what I mean, people?
How do you know that's the

2784
02:24:22,320 --> 02:24:25,160
origin?
Lots and lots of years.

2785
02:24:25,160 --> 02:24:28,760
Of research where even before I
started philosophy I was in I

2786
02:24:28,760 --> 02:24:32,440
mean, Nicole, right but.
You're a year younger than me.

2787
02:24:32,480 --> 02:24:35,800
Let's say I've done one year
more research into that.

2788
02:24:36,000 --> 02:24:38,040
Am I younger than you?
I thought I was older than you.

2789
02:24:38,400 --> 02:24:41,680
No, I'm 38. 10 year old.
Holy.

2790
02:24:41,680 --> 02:24:43,800
Crap dinosaur motherfucker up in
here.

2791
02:24:44,400 --> 02:24:45,880
And he must know everything
because.

2792
02:24:45,880 --> 02:24:48,520
He's old and wise, I mean, I
mean.

2793
02:24:48,920 --> 02:24:50,280
So it's.
I mean.

2794
02:24:50,280 --> 02:24:54,720
It's all about perspective and
your your experience, right

2795
02:24:54,920 --> 02:24:57,360
dude?
I, I, I respect your

2796
02:24:57,360 --> 02:25:01,560
perspective, your experience and
everything, but nobody can

2797
02:25:01,560 --> 02:25:06,440
convince me that the answer to
everything is on one path.

2798
02:25:07,000 --> 02:25:08,680
Well, no, that's that's that's
exactly the point.

2799
02:25:08,680 --> 02:25:11,600
That I'm making.
You can't explain everything on

2800
02:25:11,600 --> 02:25:13,920
one path.
You have to look at all of the

2801
02:25:13,920 --> 02:25:16,200
paths literally at the same
time.

2802
02:25:16,400 --> 02:25:18,480
And there are certain paths you
just see.

2803
02:25:18,600 --> 02:25:20,640
I think we're, I think we're
saying the same.

2804
02:25:20,640 --> 02:25:23,120
Thing from different yeah, no,
exactly, we're on the same.

2805
02:25:23,120 --> 02:25:26,000
Page.
Yeah, and but that's.

2806
02:25:26,000 --> 02:25:28,720
That's why I surround myself
with you guys is because you

2807
02:25:28,720 --> 02:25:33,760
guys have these strong beliefs
and these, the knowledge of

2808
02:25:33,880 --> 02:25:37,880
these aspects that I don't have.
And I find that to be extremely

2809
02:25:37,880 --> 02:25:39,840
important.
In order for me to get the whole

2810
02:25:39,840 --> 02:25:44,040
picture, I can't be looking into
my own narrow point of view.

2811
02:25:44,040 --> 02:25:48,400
I have to be able to, to sit
here and, and listen to you guys

2812
02:25:48,600 --> 02:25:53,200
and take it in and just be in
awe as to what your guys's

2813
02:25:53,200 --> 02:25:57,080
knowledge is in your own
respected fields of interest.

2814
02:25:57,280 --> 02:25:59,040
And I love it.
I absolutely love it.

2815
02:25:59,040 --> 02:26:03,160
I sat here and I watched a
portion of the infinite rabbit

2816
02:26:03,160 --> 02:26:06,000
hole podcast as a fan there for
like 20 minutes just watching

2817
02:26:06,000 --> 02:26:07,920
YouTube Go back and forth.
It was amazing.

2818
02:26:08,160 --> 02:26:12,040
I loved it.
And that's, you know, that's why

2819
02:26:12,280 --> 02:26:16,760
Jeff is a part of this this this
circle too, man, is because, you

2820
02:26:16,760 --> 02:26:20,480
know, you guys are, are amazing
and you guys have your, your own

2821
02:26:20,480 --> 02:26:24,280
points of view in this stuff and
it fills in the cracks of my own

2822
02:26:24,280 --> 02:26:27,000
ignorance very, very well.
It really does, you know.

2823
02:26:28,760 --> 02:26:29,720
Not, not.
To CJ.

2824
02:26:29,720 --> 02:26:33,520
Though he's a complete whack
job, but definitely yes it's

2825
02:26:33,520 --> 02:26:36,240
fair.
That's why I'm wearing the hat.

2826
02:26:36,280 --> 02:26:37,920
Whatever, CJ.
Says believe the.

2827
02:26:37,920 --> 02:26:40,160
Opposite.
Basically, it's probably safe.

2828
02:26:42,600 --> 02:26:43,960
All right, you guys.
Ready to call?

2829
02:26:43,960 --> 02:26:46,040
It a night.
Yeah, All right.

2830
02:26:46,040 --> 02:26:47,360
Let me.
Again doing.

2831
02:26:47,360 --> 02:26:50,160
Terrible at the one.
Hour cut off time man, we are.

2832
02:26:51,440 --> 02:26:53,320
We're going to have to.
Maybe find a new?

2833
02:26:53,320 --> 02:26:57,480
Format for this because I mean
you stepped into CJ land.

2834
02:26:58,360 --> 02:27:01,600
These are these are long.
All right, you cracked that

2835
02:27:01,600 --> 02:27:02,240
door.
I blew.

2836
02:27:02,240 --> 02:27:05,560
Through it like the kool-aid man
do you guys have?

2837
02:27:05,560 --> 02:27:08,560
Anything to put out?
Before I get into the outro, I

2838
02:27:08,560 --> 02:27:11,160
heard something I'll.
Throw this out there, I heard

2839
02:27:11,160 --> 02:27:15,280
something interesting from one
of my Co workers recently.

2840
02:27:15,360 --> 02:27:18,920
Actually, like a couple days
ago, it was, he was talking

2841
02:27:18,920 --> 02:27:24,000
about the show and I had
mentioned that I, I have a hard

2842
02:27:24,000 --> 02:27:27,800
time with the sound of my voice.
I feel like it's a little bit

2843
02:27:27,800 --> 02:27:32,720
too high pitched when I hear
myself back, like editing

2844
02:27:32,760 --> 02:27:33,960
episodes.
Whenever I used.

2845
02:27:33,960 --> 02:27:36,000
To do that was the hardest thing
because I hate the sound of my

2846
02:27:36,000 --> 02:27:37,640
own voice.
It's just, it is what it is,

2847
02:27:37,640 --> 02:27:40,240
right?
But it's from a combination of

2848
02:27:40,240 --> 02:27:43,720
like not being able to have
kids, low testosterone probably

2849
02:27:43,720 --> 02:27:47,640
gives me a higher pitched voice.
And so I, I kind of, you know, I

2850
02:27:47,640 --> 02:27:49,400
don't like listening to our
clips and stuff.

2851
02:27:49,920 --> 02:27:52,760
And I was talking about not
really having a voice for radio

2852
02:27:52,800 --> 02:27:56,320
and how much it it bothers me.
And he was like, well, actually,

2853
02:27:56,480 --> 02:28:00,280
he's like, I find that a, you
know, the other Co hosts have a

2854
02:28:00,280 --> 02:28:03,720
very can be very monotone at
times.

2855
02:28:03,760 --> 02:28:06,520
And so whenever I hear them
going on a long tangent, I I

2856
02:28:06,520 --> 02:28:08,640
kind of think to myself, gosh, I
need Jake to kind of

2857
02:28:08,640 --> 02:28:12,000
breakthrough that a little bit
because you sound so different

2858
02:28:12,000 --> 02:28:15,800
and it's easier to pick you out.
And that was like a huge boost

2859
02:28:15,800 --> 02:28:17,280
up for me.
I was like, oh, that's nice.

2860
02:28:17,280 --> 02:28:20,280
That's nice to hear.
You know it's 100% accurate.

2861
02:28:20,320 --> 02:28:22,840
Me.
And Jeremy do sound very, very

2862
02:28:22,840 --> 02:28:25,440
similar, like in pitch and tone,
like we have different

2863
02:28:25,440 --> 02:28:31,200
intonation, but we do have so
but like with you, any time I've

2864
02:28:31,200 --> 02:28:33,880
ever heard you talking on the
podcast, I've never once been

2865
02:28:33,880 --> 02:28:35,440
like, this guy's voice is
annoying.

2866
02:28:36,120 --> 02:28:39,120
And you guys know, like I've
worked with all over the last

2867
02:28:39,120 --> 02:28:42,440
decade, I've worked with a lot
of people in the realm of indie

2868
02:28:42,440 --> 02:28:46,360
podcasting and I've dealt with a
lot of people with really

2869
02:28:46,360 --> 02:28:50,080
annoying voices.
And, and, and I wouldn't, I

2870
02:28:50,080 --> 02:28:53,800
wouldn't say like, I, I don't
know if I would classify you as

2871
02:28:53,800 --> 02:28:56,480
like having like a radio voice.
I wouldn't classify me and

2872
02:28:56,480 --> 02:28:59,520
Jeremy as necessarily having a
radio voice, right?

2873
02:28:59,520 --> 02:29:02,120
But that comes from like 90
shock jock area where we're,

2874
02:29:02,120 --> 02:29:04,760
we're like used to what a radio
voice is or like what it was

2875
02:29:04,760 --> 02:29:08,760
defined as.
But you definitely have what I

2876
02:29:08,760 --> 02:29:12,040
would call it a complimentary
voice and it allows people to

2877
02:29:12,040 --> 02:29:16,200
differentiate between who's
talking and who's not.

2878
02:29:16,200 --> 02:29:20,160
And it bring it like makes the
show pop.

2879
02:29:20,200 --> 02:29:22,600
I would say that.
Go ahead and cut that part out,

2880
02:29:22,600 --> 02:29:23,320
Jeremy.
But I had to.

2881
02:29:23,320 --> 02:29:24,680
Get that out before I forgot
again.

2882
02:29:24,680 --> 02:29:25,960
I thought that it was pretty
interesting.

2883
02:29:25,960 --> 02:29:28,080
Also, I'm not gonna cut it out.
Don't cut.

2884
02:29:28,160 --> 02:29:30,880
That out.
It's it's ego.

2885
02:29:31,080 --> 02:29:35,360
Like scratching, but you're also
scratch your own ego a little

2886
02:29:35,360 --> 02:29:35,760
bit.
It's not.

2887
02:29:35,760 --> 02:29:37,960
Like, it's not like you're
humble about it.

2888
02:29:37,960 --> 02:29:41,240
It's not like it's not like you
were arrogant or pretentious

2889
02:29:41,240 --> 02:29:43,920
about it.
Like Also he does like the

2890
02:29:43,920 --> 02:29:47,040
format of the.
Show and it's cool to hear that

2891
02:29:47,280 --> 02:29:49,600
you know, you had mentioned that
a lot of other people are

2892
02:29:49,600 --> 02:29:54,880
starting to see this.
As the like the original.

2893
02:29:54,880 --> 02:29:57,640
Infinite rabbit hole, the way it
originally was where it's like

2894
02:29:57,640 --> 02:30:00,560
the topic and then the, the
conversation, stuff like that,

2895
02:30:00,560 --> 02:30:03,600
Although it's more now.
I mean, your, your write ups are

2896
02:30:03,600 --> 02:30:06,400
amazing.
And you know, the fact that it's

2897
02:30:06,640 --> 02:30:10,920
recent news versus just, you
know, stories of whenever they

2898
02:30:10,920 --> 02:30:13,240
might have happened is really
cool.

2899
02:30:13,240 --> 02:30:15,240
And so I'm glad that we're
seeing the engagement that we're

2900
02:30:15,240 --> 02:30:16,760
seeing.
And I, I've scrolled through

2901
02:30:16,760 --> 02:30:19,160
some of the comments on YouTube
and stuff and I think that

2902
02:30:19,160 --> 02:30:21,080
people are, are digging this
really well.

2903
02:30:21,080 --> 02:30:23,240
So I think that we got a good
thing going here.

2904
02:30:23,240 --> 02:30:25,800
We should keep it up, and I also
don't think that we should

2905
02:30:25,800 --> 02:30:28,000
really.
Limit, like, put like off like a

2906
02:30:28,000 --> 02:30:30,200
goal of one hour.
I mean, if you look at the top

2907
02:30:30,200 --> 02:30:33,880
podcasts in the world, Joe
Rogan's podcast go for three, 3

2908
02:30:33,880 --> 02:30:37,040
1/2 hours, four times.
Yeah, but we're not Joe Rogan.

2909
02:30:37,360 --> 02:30:39,240
No, I think Joe Rogan what I'm
saying.

2910
02:30:39,240 --> 02:30:43,040
Is we don't necessarily have to
like put ourselves in a box like

2911
02:30:43,320 --> 02:30:47,160
we're doing a format that does
work, you know what I mean?

2912
02:30:47,160 --> 02:30:50,040
And it's natural and it sounds
good and it's interesting and

2913
02:30:50,080 --> 02:30:52,720
and sure, maybe people aren't
listening to us all in one

2914
02:30:52,840 --> 02:30:56,240
stretch, but like, like I listen
to JRE, right?

2915
02:30:56,240 --> 02:30:59,200
I'm a truck driver.
I listen to JREI don't listen to

2916
02:30:59,200 --> 02:31:01,480
his full episode in one.
I got to stop that truck.

2917
02:31:01,480 --> 02:31:04,120
I got to get out.
I listen to it in blocks when I

2918
02:31:04,120 --> 02:31:06,160
can, but I complete his
episodes.

2919
02:31:06,320 --> 02:31:08,280
You know what I'm looking
looking at the way you look

2920
02:31:08,280 --> 02:31:08,680
right now.
I.

2921
02:31:08,680 --> 02:31:11,920
Believe you're a truck driver.
I believe he got picked.

2922
02:31:11,960 --> 02:31:14,440
Up.
By a truck driver at a rest stop

2923
02:31:14,440 --> 02:31:17,680
and the way he's dressed and I
100% observe the rules.

2924
02:31:17,680 --> 02:31:20,080
Of the aliens bro, like
whatever.

2925
02:31:20,120 --> 02:31:22,760
You say, man, get in.
He saw me making trucker bombs

2926
02:31:22,920 --> 02:31:26,240
on the side.
Look at this lot lizard.

2927
02:31:26,560 --> 02:31:29,360
Yeah.
But like what?

2928
02:31:29,360 --> 02:31:31,400
I'm saying is it's like as.
Long as the content is

2929
02:31:31,400 --> 02:31:35,080
interesting, people will, they
may not listen to it from start

2930
02:31:35,080 --> 02:31:38,400
to finish all in one session,
but they're gonna finish it.

2931
02:31:38,920 --> 02:31:41,640
You don't have to like limit
yourself.

2932
02:31:41,640 --> 02:31:43,320
You don't have to be like I want
it to be.

2933
02:31:43,320 --> 02:31:45,480
I mean, if that's really what
you do want, then sure.

2934
02:31:45,480 --> 02:31:47,400
But like, don't.
We can do that just because you

2935
02:31:47,400 --> 02:31:49,040
feel like you have to.
We can.

2936
02:31:49,040 --> 02:31:52,480
We can bring this conversation.
More we could talk about this

2937
02:31:52,480 --> 02:31:56,200
off air a little bit more there.
There is reasons why I'm aiming

2938
02:31:56,200 --> 02:31:59,360
for that one hour mark and I'm
way overshooting it.

2939
02:31:59,480 --> 02:32:01,200
I went down the air skeeters
input.

2940
02:32:01,800 --> 02:32:03,680
You know how hard it is to not
be long?

2941
02:32:03,680 --> 02:32:07,240
Winded in, in normal
conversations with people,

2942
02:32:07,240 --> 02:32:10,240
especially at work and stuff
people want to talk about, you

2943
02:32:10,240 --> 02:32:12,840
know, this stuff to pass the
time.

2944
02:32:12,840 --> 02:32:15,160
You know how hard it is to
actually listen to people and

2945
02:32:15,160 --> 02:32:18,600
not just break into a 45 minute
conversation because of what we

2946
02:32:18,600 --> 02:32:21,680
do here.
It is so difficult to just be

2947
02:32:21,680 --> 02:32:23,040
like, oh, that's a good
perspective.

2948
02:32:23,040 --> 02:32:26,800
Yeah.
The thing is, and it goes with

2949
02:32:26,800 --> 02:32:28,040
it.
It goes with exactly.

2950
02:32:28,040 --> 02:32:31,080
Like what you mentioned before,
like Jake has his background, I

2951
02:32:31,080 --> 02:32:33,880
have mine, you have yours.
Like you bring up aliens and

2952
02:32:33,880 --> 02:32:36,360
then you and Jake are going back
and forth and I'm over here

2953
02:32:36,360 --> 02:32:40,200
cracking jokes, right?
You said the word consciousness

2954
02:32:40,200 --> 02:32:42,800
in every zone of my brain lit up
tonight.

2955
02:32:43,040 --> 02:32:46,240
Like that's my shit.
Like, you know what I mean?

2956
02:32:46,240 --> 02:32:49,280
And we come from everywhere.
So like, you can literally bring

2957
02:32:49,280 --> 02:32:52,760
up any topic and one of us is
going to go off on a tangent.

2958
02:32:52,760 --> 02:32:56,040
There's no avoiding that, and we
still have to make room for.

2959
02:32:56,040 --> 02:32:57,840
One more when he gets back.
Who?

2960
02:32:58,040 --> 02:33:00,040
Who can go off on tangents?
On his own, too.

2961
02:33:00,560 --> 02:33:02,000
Yeah, yeah.
So.

2962
02:33:02,080 --> 02:33:03,640
It might it might be in our best
interest to.

2963
02:33:03,640 --> 02:33:06,160
Accept the fact that we're going
to have three hour shows.

2964
02:33:06,560 --> 02:33:07,920
We'll see.
We'll see.

2965
02:33:09,240 --> 02:33:10,840
All right.
Anything else?

2966
02:33:12,400 --> 02:33:14,240
All right, I don't.
Think I'm starting the outro.

2967
02:33:14,920 --> 02:33:16,360
All right, that's it for
tonight's episode.

2968
02:33:16,600 --> 02:33:20,600
We covered apocalyptic thinking
going mainstream with 1/3 of

2969
02:33:20,600 --> 02:33:22,920
Americans believing the world
ends in their lifetime.

2970
02:33:23,080 --> 02:33:26,200
We talked about a swarm of over
100 black holes tearing apart a

2971
02:33:26,200 --> 02:33:30,080
star cluster in the Milky Way.
We looked at a Class A Bigfoot

2972
02:33:30,080 --> 02:33:33,320
sighting in Oklahoma alongside a
power line easement.

2973
02:33:33,360 --> 02:33:36,720
And we went deep on the
consciousness crisis, the

2974
02:33:36,720 --> 02:33:40,680
existential risk we're facing as
we build AI, grow brain tissue,

2975
02:33:40,960 --> 02:33:44,280
and develop brain computer
interfaces faster than we can

2976
02:33:44,280 --> 02:33:46,480
understand what consciousness
actually is.

2977
02:33:46,760 --> 02:33:50,160
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2978
02:33:50,160 --> 02:33:53,840
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2979
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2980
02:33:56,560 --> 02:33:58,040
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2981
02:33:58,040 --> 02:34:00,920
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2982
02:34:00,920 --> 02:34:03,320
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We're back next Tuesday with

2983
02:34:03,320 --> 02:34:05,520
another deep dive into the
unexplained.

2984
02:34:05,520 --> 02:34:08,200
Until then, keep your eyes open,
keep asking questions, and

2985
02:34:08,200 --> 02:34:11,240
remember the truth is out there.
You just have to know where to

2986
02:34:11,240 --> 02:34:13,400
look.
I'm Jeremy Sosha, and we'll see

2987
02:34:13,400 --> 02:34:16,320
you the next fork in the path of
the infinite rabbit hole.

2988
02:34:16,560 --> 02:34:17,920
Bye, everybody.
CJ, bye.

2989
02:34:17,920 --> 02:34:19,720
I'm supposed to say bye.
Bye, man.

2990
02:34:20,440 --> 02:34:25,520
Geez.
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2991
02:34:25,760 --> 02:34:27,600
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02:34:50,760 --> 02:34:53,280
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3001
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