IRH 273: Trump Says "Pretty Serious Stuff" on 10 Dead Scientists & Pentagon Misses Deadline

0:00 On Thursday, April 17th, 2026, a reporter stood up at the White House press briefing and asked the President of the United States whether his administration was investigating the disappearances and deaths of 10 American scientists and government contractors connected to nuclear and aerospace research. Trump's answer was 4 words. Quote. Pretty serious stuff, huh? He said he hoped it was random. He said he had just left the meeting on the subject. He said the country would know something in the next week and a half. Three days earlier, the Pentagon missed its congressional deadline to hand over 46 specific classified UAP videos.

0:43 Congresswoman Ann Paulina Luna posted publicly that nobody at the Pentagon had responded to her office at all until her staff followed up. She said whoever was quote trying to be cute at the Pentagon was about to get rolled. The day after the deadline, the Department of War issued a statement saying it was working with the White House to release quote never before seen UAP information. And the domain alien.gov is still dark. And somewhere in Huntsville, AL, authorities are now reviewing the death of an aerospace researcher who spent the last years of her life warning publicly that she was being surveilled, that things were escalating and that she needed to disclose her work before it was too late. She died in 2022.

1:31 She is now being counted as the 11th person in a pattern that the President of the United States just called pretty serious stuff. Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit Hole. What's up everyone?

2:22 I'm Jeremy Socia and you're listening to the Infinite Rabbit Hole podcast, your briefing on the unexplained. Tonight I'm joined by my Co host Jake and CJ, and we have got an episode that builds directly on the last two weeks of coverage. If you haven't listened to episodes 271 and 272 yet, I go back and do that. A lot of what we're covering tonight is a continuation of stories we've been tracking closely. If you're new here, hit that subscribe button. Leave us a rating and review wherever you get your podcasts. It helps more people find the show. And you can find us on infiniterabbithole.com, Facebook, Instagram X, and YouTube. And if you're watching on YouTube right now, we need your help. We are sitting at 944 subscribers and we are 56 away from our first 1000. If you are not subscribed yet, hit that button right now. This is the week we post video versions of every episode so you can watch along as we break down the unexplained, and every single subscriber genuinely matters as we try to hit that milestone.

3:23 And before we jump in, on Saturday, May 9th, I'll be at Capcom, the Cryptids Anomalies and Paranormal Convention in Fond du Lac, WI at the Radisson Hotel and Conference Center. I'll be on the UFOUAP and CE5 discussion panel alongside the likes of Ian de Graaff, Zach Screed, and Dustin Shooter with Jeff Finnup as our host. Use code Rabbit HOLE at checkout for 10% off your tickets. Link is in our recent social posts. Jake, CJ, what's up, guys? That storm today was crazy. We went down from 70° down to like the mid 40s. The storm rolled in. That storm brought in some sort of stupid because I almost got in two head on collisions on my way home from work today.

4:08 What? Yeah. Just people driving on the wrong side of the road. Literally. These are two two Lane County roads. Yeah, and people two times, man, driving on the wrong side of the road. The first time I'm sitting there, I'm talking with my wife on the phone. She's on the speaker in in my car. And I just nonchalantly go, I almost died. What are you what are you talking about? Like I almost just gotten a head on collision. She goes. You didn't honk your horn. Yeah, no, I definitely didn't think about that. I was I was white knuckling my steering wheel ready to drive into the the ravine on the side of the roof. I mean. It's like. Today's the day. Dude I had one of those just the other day where I just I saw someone look down at their cell phone and then just cut their wheel and start going right into my lane and there was nowhere to go. It was just a freaking like 8 foot ditch on my right hand side and I was like, all right, that was it. And then they they looked up and swerved over and I'm just like, I was like, man, that would have been my, my final words. It's just a deep sign.

5:13 All right then. I don't know if if anybody's been on on rural county roads in the middle of bum fuck nowhere Wisconsin, but every County Road just has it's just lined with a long ravine. And usually it's it's, it's full of dead deer. Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, they're all unthawed now. Bloating up, Yeah. Stacking bodies on the side of the road. You know, that kind of reminded me, like I try not to be super impatient when I'm driving. Like if someone gets in front of me and they're going particularly slow, like I always kind of have that thought in the back of my head. I'm like, maybe this is for a reason type thing. I had someone do that to me not recently, maybe a month ago, but they were literally going like 15 under the speed limit. And I tried going around and there was just cars and just blind hills and I was like, well, I'm guess I'm stuck here. See, this is how this is how you get angry people commenting on our Youtubes yelling at you.

6:16 Well, and then and then I eventually got the opportunity. I went around and I drive 100 miles a day for work, 50 miles each way. And like halfway through the trip, most of my drive is going through just cornfields. There's nothing out there. There's a house every few miles, right? And like, I don't know when it happened, but halfway through my drive there's a fatal head on collision. And it makes you wonder, it's just like, was that supposed to be for me? Like, you know, type stuff? Was I supposed to be there? And then I just got kind of slowed down and, and made wait and made wait for 20 minutes, you know, type stuff.

6:56 It's like, I don't know. Man, on my way back from. Jersey Today I sat in a almost hour long traffic jam because a state trooper in New Jersey smacked into somebody and they shut the road down for it. I mean, you just live in a war zone. I mean, you know. Oh, I don't live in Jersey. Are you crazy? No, you just drove through. No, I'm a trucker. Yeah, yeah, I get it. Yeah, yeah, I drive through. I'm in Elizabeth Bayonne in Jersey City every single day. Then I come back to Pennsylvania every. Single drive through a war zone. Well, I mean, I deliver in there, so yeah. I mean, I drive through, I'm like, I'm through the whole cities and everything. Yeah, it's it's not great. Someone got blasted on one of the loading docks. We told us last week that's wow.

7:42 And the only time I've ever been to Jersey, I was there for a Giants game and I tried to pump my own gas and I got yelled at. Which is weird. I don't know why they do that. It's illegal in Jersey to pump your gas because they're stupid. I don't know, they drive that shit. I got stuck on the Jersey Turnpike for six hours once. I'm not going to say that people in Jersey are stupid. They're terrible drivers and they're assholes, quite a few of them. Well. But they're not. They're not. Students lost all the people in Jersey that listen. All three of them, yeah. There, but their government there. Sucks. I mean, if I lived in Jersey I'd probably be an asshole too.

8:24 Yeah, yeah. If I lived anywhere near New York, I would be the worst person. I'd be, you know what? You know what? Actually, the closer I get to New York City, the nicer the people are. It's like when I get down in the Elizabeth New Work and then out towards Rahway and Carteret. The people there suck, yeah. Anything else from you 2 gentlemen? I'm slowly becoming a my Midwest form. I've got a fleet farm hat on, grow my hair out and I ditched the beard and went for a a handlebar mustache. It's good luck man. Halfway hand of our mustache. Great luck. I got to wait for for gardening season.

9:05 I'm going to Don my overalls. I yeah, I mean, I have overalls, you know, kind of throw my overalls. Don't you have American flag ones? No. Is that's not you? No. You know somebody who has them. Should, but I don't. Jeremy's going to drive down the street when there used to be Jake on his front porch with a freaking like a shotgun. A double barrel shotgun. He's just going to be plucking a banjo. It's. Going to be like that. Gosh, it's a it's a meme now, but it's like a a short clip from the Top Gear show. And I think it was James and he was quitting smoking and he was, he was wedding with a shotgun and he was like, see, the weeds have ceased to exist.

9:52 You can't guard with a shotgun. He's like, oh, where's the weeds? That's going to be me out in the front yard just blowing freaking weeds away with a shotgun. Lot of Turkey shot leftover. Can't argue with it. All right. You guys ready to get in the quick hits? Oh yeah. All right, before we get into our main stories tonight, let's run through Quick Hits, a rapid roundup of the stories from the last 10 days that deserve your attention, even if we don't have time to go deep on them. So let's go. We covered Tim Burchett's week extensively in episode 272. The Newsmax appearance, TMZ, the bill to abolish Arrow.

10:33 He didn't slow down. On April 10th, he sat down with Stephen A Smith, who pressed him directly on the classified briefings. Burchett said a source had come in and named names, dates, people in the meetings and were certain where items are located. He said it was too much, too much was going on. He told Smith he had spoken with White House contacts that same day and was hopeful that some things would be coming out soon. And on OAN shortly after, a host asked him point blank, are we alone? Burchett's answer was, quote, no, we're not.

11:14 We're not alone. A sitting member of Congress on the record, No hedging. Moving on. A study published in Scientific Reports on April 12th brought new analysis to bones from Belgium's Quick Caves, where Neanderthals live between 41,000 and 45,000 years ago. For the first time, researchers were able to build biological profiles of the six individuals who were whose remains were found there. And what they found was striking. All six were women and children, and none of them came from the local group. They were outsiders brought in from elsewhere. Their bones have been processed identically to animal prey.

11:56 They were de fleshed. The lower limbs were selected, the bones broken to extract the marrow. Researchers call this exocannibalism, the deliberate targeting and consumption of members of a rival group, possibly tweaking their reproductive capacity or assert territorial control. This was happening at the very end of the Neanderthal era, at the same time Homo sapiens were arriving in nearby Germany. Whatever pressure was building in those final millennia, the picture of Neanderthal life we're left with is significantly darker. Moving on, interstellar comet Three Eye Atlas, the third confirmed visitor to our solar system from another star system, is continuing to reveal new information on its way out.

12:40 New observations published April 15th in the Astronomical Journal, posted or based on data from the Subaru Telescope, show that the comet's chemistry has shifted noticeably since it passed closest to the Sun. The ratio of carbon dioxide to water in its coma has dropped significantly, which suggests that solar heating has been stripping away its outer layers and exposing material from deeper inside, material with a different chemical makeup than the surface. The interior of this interstellar object appears to be meaningfully different from its exterior, which tells us something about how it formed in whatever distant star system it came from. It's now heading towards Jupiter and will eventually leave our solar system permanently.

13:25 The third interstellar object we've ever detected, and it's still teaching us things on its way out the door. Moving on, For the first time, scientists have documented the complete sequence of a new impact crater forming on the Moon in real time. NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter captured before and after images of the event, giving researchers an unprecedented look at what a lunar impact actually looks like from observation. Rather than Ference. The crater that formed is roughly the size of 2 football pitches. The moon has been accumulating craters for 4 billion years, and we've been studying them for decades. But watching one appear from start to finish is something that has never been done before. Moving on.

14:11 And finally, astronomers announced this week the discovery of the most magnified supernova ever detected. The explosion itself happened in a Galaxy so distant that its light would normally be far too faint for us to reach. What made it visible was a remarkable accident of cosmic geometry. An entire Galaxy sat between the supernova and Earth, and that galaxy's gravity bent and amplified light like a natural lens, boosting the supernova's apparent brightness by at least a factor of 100. The effect is called gravitational lensing, and it's been observed before, but never at this scale. For a stellar explosion. The result is a window on to the death of a star in the early universe that would otherwise have been permanently closed to us.

14:59 There are things out there that we can only see because the universe occasionally puts its thumb on the scale. So, Jake CJ Burchett saying on the record that we are not alone. Neanderthals hunting women and children of rival groups 45,000 years ago in Belgium. An interstellar comment revealing a different interior on its way out of this of our solar system forever. And scientists watching a moon crater form in real time. What's landing with you before we get into the main stories? All of this fake. None of that space shit happened. Maybe Neanderthals were hunting. Or Neanderthals. Sorry. Maybe Neanderthals were hunting women and children. Put some. Respect on that tall. That seems weird though, Like a like a hominid.

15:41 A hominid going ahead and hunting women and children. Like like even the animal Kingdom that's not. Yeah, chimpanzees do that. Yeah, but that's like if they're wiping out a bloodline so they can take over like females. I mean, lions do it too. Do that, I would say that this is. More like a. Group of of but people, because people still do that today. I mean, like, do you think that's what they were doing? Like they were wiping out a bloodline to like secure their own genetics? Or do you think they were like, did it specify if it was like for sport? Like what was the reasoning for it do they think? Hunger. The the the hunger was upon them. Cannibalism will also be bizarre. So right here, primates commit cannibalism primarily for nutritional gain, to eliminate resource competition, or as a consequence of infanticide.

16:37 Infanticide. That's when you kill babies. It is an opportunist behavior driven by energy shortages, social stress, or way to gain protein, particularly after killing infants, during competitive conflicts, or when a young individual dies from other causes. OK, so competitive conflicts that's they're wiping out a bloodline to secure their own genetics. OK, that's what I was asking. That makes sense. But I mean like it would it would be weird for something like a Neanderthal to do it because they were significantly more developed than monkeys. You know they walk. I mean, humans do it though. Humans do it today, so it's not that weird. Who's wiping out? Well, I guess like our government, Sir Papua.

17:17 Papua New Guinea, there's still cannibal tribes today. Yeah, there's cannibal tribes, but they're not like wiping out bloodlines for the purpose of securing genetics. They're they, they eat after after a war situation, they eat each other. But like. I mean, like honestly, could you really, could you really put like a, a reasoning behind it? It's like, oh, then it's not that bad. So no, that's not what I'm not. I'm not justifying. What I'm saying is that normally, normally when you're killing women and children, even in the animal Kingdom, there's a reason for it. It's not just I feel like killing women and children today, like it's not something that's normal. Well, definitely sounds like a rivalry base thing.

18:00 I mean, if you're going to really piss somebody off, how are you going to do it? You're going to go after their women and children. Yeah, I'm, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just curious the reasoning like is it like a more primitive, like they were securing genetics or was it an act of war? Were they punishing somebody? Was it? Forever now. I wouldn't be surprised if it was all of the above, really. I wouldn't be surprised. If it was because it was a Tuesday, oh. Man, So what are the only? Reasons coming up. I was reading this thing that said that the only reason we out survived the Neanderthals is because we domesticated dogs and they didn't. I was reading something said that. There's a lot of theories. Like if we hadn't domesticated dogs they would have out competed us.

18:43 We would have been the ones who wiped out. We're inferior to them in almost every way. Brute strength wise, not intelligence. I was, I said almost every way. I mean like like survival wise and what not. They were way better at it than we were. We were smarter, but which is why we domesticate a dog. Science looks at the reason why we surpassed the Neanderthals as the reason why brains is better than bronze. It's AI mean. Obviously it's not the perfect answer to that, but that is an argument. Let's get into our first briefing. Last episode, we closed the deep dive with April 14th hanging over everything.

19:26 The congressional deadline, the 46 specific classified videos, the Pentagon's consistent answer of we're working on compliance. We said something would happen on April 14th. Here's what happened. Nothing. Not a single video, not a partial release, not even an acknowledgement. The deadline passed and Congresswoman Luna's office heard nothing until they reached out themselves. When she posted about it on X, her language was precise and pointed. She said it appeared the letter had not been passed to the appropriate authorities inside the Pentagon. She called it quote UN quote. How convenient. She said that whoever was trying to be cute at the Pentagon was about to get rolled and that the footage would still be obtained.

20:13 She also made clear that this was not Pete Hagseth's call to withhold that the president had authorized the release and that someone beneath that level appeared to be blocking it. The day after the deadline, the Department of War issued a statement through Liberation Times. The arrow, it said, is now quote working in close coordination with the White House and across federal agencies to consolidate existing UAP record collections and facilitate the expeditious release of never before seen UAP information. That statement is notable for two reasons. First, it contains the phrase never before seen, which is a meaningful escalation in language from previous Pentagon communications on this topic. Second, it is the same essential answer the Pentagon has been giving for two months, dressed in slightly different words. Coordinating, consolidating, facilitating, working. alien.gov remains dark.

21:12 The 46 videos remain undelivered. Luna says they're coming. The Pentagon says it's working. And the gap between those two statements is where the disclosure story was living until about 3 hours ago as of our recording time on Friday, April 17th. This is why we're recording a little late tonight. Tonight, speaking at the Turning Point USA Action conference in Phoenix, President Trump told the crowd, quote, as you remember, I recently directed the secretary of War to begin releasing the government files related to UFOs and unexplained aerial phenomena. You know that this process is well underway and we found many very interesting documents, I must say, and the first releases will begin very, very soon, he added. Quote, you'll figure it out.

22:04 Let me know. Hey Seth, he confirmed is actively working on it. Quote very, very soon is not a date. Quote many very interesting documents is not a release, but a sitting president standing in front of a crowd tonight and saying the process is well underway and the first releases are imminent is a different posture than anything we've had in writing from the White House on this topic. That just happened tonight and we'll be watching for what comes next. Jake. CJ deadline passed, nothing delivered. Luna saying someone at the Pentagon is trying to be cute and the official response being the same coordinating and facilitating language we've been hearing for months. Where does this go from here as CJ just exited? On CJ there was a bunch of screaming and then something about I saw you driving through Jersey and then the screen went dark.

23:04 I don't know. Clap, clap, clap. Brat. Oh, he's back from the dead. He's back. Oh, thank goodness. My whole my whole thing crashed while I was trying to look up the Neanderthal. I said that there was a bunch of screaming and then someone screamed out. I saw you driving through Jersey and then the screen went black. Oh man. You know what you remember we were talking about last week where I said that, you know, it's like going to see a movie these days. Like tomorrow Whitney and I have a date night. We're going to go see the new Mummy movie after, get some to eat. And I'll be real with you. Like the same, same thing. Or I'm just like, I'm like, I'm not going to get all hyped up for it because if it sucks, I don't want to be disappointed. I saw that there was nothing that came out about it. And I was like, huh?

23:56 And I went about about my day, like me at all, because I was just like, yeah, just not expecting anything still. I'm in the same exact boat. Or I'm just like, I'm not going to expect anything miraculous to come out of this because just because Trump says it doesn't mean that everyone in his cabinet is going to play ball with him. So I don't know. We'll see. It's definitely one of those things where we're all like, well, that would be pretty cool. It's not going to happen, but it would be cool. And then when it didn't happen, we were like, that's about right. About right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's be honest here. It was expected to end like this. Well, hopefully we do get something because I'm, I'm although I, although I understand what you're saying, Jake and I also feel the same way. I'm tired of being dragged for this. I just want to, I want to hear something like stop talking about if you're if you're not going to do it, then just stop talking about it all.

24:52 Together. No, of course. Like, yeah, I mean, I totally feel you right there. Of course. Like if, yeah, if you're not going to produce, then shut up, right? But. Well, if they shut up, you'll start looking at other things elsewhere. Maybe, yeah. Yeah, Jews. Oh well. I've we just got this video demonetized immediately. Infiltrated. I've infiltrated your podcast. I'm already here. You guys are screwed. I've already let the the so and so's know and they'll be bombing your OH. No, fuck is real for real Massage. Come here and get me. That's fine. But fuck is real. For real. They don't care about you, CJ. You're a nobody. Yeah, but you're, you're our nobody.

25:34 And. That's why, that's why I get to say whatever I want. They don't care about me. They're like. Fucking CJ They're. Probably like they're probably like fuck you too. They're probably listening to my thing right now. I'm going to pick up my phone. This will be a pop up on there like you need Dicks too. Well, in many ways we're very different. In many ways we're very much the same. And I do not share CJ's views. All right, ready for briefing too. Well, I did look up, I did look up the Neanderthal thing. I I was successful and the domestication of dogs improved our ability to hunt, track prey and transport food which increased the amount of resources dramatically for groupthink which allowed us to drastically out compete Neanderthals. And they said that it's not guaranteed they would have out competed us had we not domesticated dogs, and that the dogs alone weren't like the clincher, but they played a massive role in obtaining resources. I was going to say like I have dogs and they're useless try anything other than Husky later on part and I've I killed 4 deer this year so I mean.

26:40 I I have AI have a Husky if you want to talk about but then. Useless. He's adorable and he's sweet and you can cuddle with him sometimes when he's in the mood. What other? Yeah, No, if somebody breaks in this house, like he probably won't even get up. Nice. Still trying to find that book that I read years ago. Anyways, are you guys ready for briefing too? This is honestly like my my favorite topic this week. This is really exciting, we can see. It in your face. I'm actually. Hold on a second, CJ just put out his house as a soft target. Everyone just just a heads up and CJ. Said you can rob him with a vacuum cleaner. And he has a a resin printer and a new wash station. So if anyone's looking for an early Christmas gift, soft target.

27:31 That's funny. On the other hand, negative, you will not survive the interaction. Oh dude, if they broke and they're like, we're going to execute you, I'd be so excited. I'd go get my plastic wrap. I'd it would look like a whole Dexter execution room. I'd be like I've been waiting for. Ditory in there, just get down. Here we go guys. I'm ready. Man this episode got dark. Anyways, yeah, yeah, we're bad. We're bad people. All right. Quantum Week. All right. Second briefing tonight, and this one is a little different from our usual lane, but I think it belongs here and I'll tell you why in a moment. On April 14th, 2 separate announcements landed within hours of each other that together represent something genuinely significant in the history of computing.

28:18 The first was from Ion QA Quantum computing company based in College Park, MD, in partnership with Air Force Research Laboratory, the same institution that appears repeatedly in the missing scientists stories that we've been covering. Ion Q announced that it had successfully photonically interconnected 2 independent trapped ion quantum computing systems. In plain terms, 2 separate quantum computers physically apart from each other, were linked using individual photons, single particles of light, to create a quantum entanglement between them. The processors could then share computational work across the connection.

29:06 Ion. Q called it the first demonstration of connected commercial quantum computers. Their stock jumped more than 20% on the news. The second announcement came from NVIDIA. Jensen Hong's company launched a product called Icing, named after a landmark mathematical model from physics, which is the world's first open source family of AI models built specifically to calibrate and error correct quantum computers. Quantum processors are extraordinarily sensitive to noise. Qubits, the basic unit of quantum information, are fragile, and errors accumulate faster than they can be corrected by conventional methods. Icing uses AI to do that correction in real time, up to 2 1/2 times faster and three times more accurately than the current industry standard.

29:56 Jensen Hong described it as AI becoming, quote, the control plane, the operating system of quantum machines. Here's why I think this belongs on IRH. On the same day, the Air Force Research Laboratory Health connect to quantum computers using entangled photons and video gave the world the AI to run them reliably. There are no incremental improvements to existing technology. Quantum computers and AI stabilized quantum hardware are two of the foundational prerequisites for the kind of computing power that currently exists only in classified government programs and theoretical papers. The fact that both milestones landed on the same day, one of them directly tied to the Air Force, is a kind of convergence this show pays attention to.

30:48 You get to decide what it means, but the week it happened is worth knowing about. South Jake CJ 2 Quantum computers networked with light AI running the error correction in real time. Both tied to the Air Force Research Laboratory, both on the same day. What do you make of where quantum computing actually is right now? And let me know if you need. Dude I'm so dumb, like I just I can't get behind this sort of stuff because I don't understand it. And that's so fucking exciting, dude, sorry. What's exciting? So. I'm not smart enough. Or the OK are you?

31:31 We've talked about it a lot, yeah. I know. Do you? Are you familiar with quantum entanglement? Yeah. OK, So you take 2 quantum particles, right? And you can separate them by any distance that we can measure. OK, Theoretically, we can put one of them on the moon and one of them down here in my basement and I can flick one, the one down here with me and then the other one would react to that. And that's just a physical, something physical happening to it. But it there's been a lot of theoretical work happening where we could use this for instantaneous informational travel or sharing. So we can send a photon, one of these particles right in. In this particular story, the particles were photons that were entangled.

32:29 So we can send one of those photons across the Galaxy and we can instantaneously update it with information or communicate with it with information by applying that force to the one that's with us. So instead of having to travel light years somewhere, right, and spending that amount of time to travel, if we can somehow think of it like sending an e-mail here from here to Japan, it's instantaneous as far as we know, right? Well, this would be like sending anything that we want from one particle to the other. We can. We don't have to travel the distance to put the particle there.

33:12 You do, you do. That's what our super positioning is. Or I was going to say, I mean, there's a there's a lot of things in the quantum world where you can skip all that, OK, We can, no matter how we get it there, OK, because I'm not going to go down that path. That's a really long path. But once it's there, say it's on an alien planet somewhere and this has been a theory that's gone around in UFO circles for a very long time, is that potentially UFOs are just enlarged quantum material where really all they are are surveillance drones where they're controlling them on a planet in a galaxies away, but they're controlling them in real time and viewing us in real time. They're not having to wait.

34:04 Like let's say we looked at A at that same planet through a telescope, we would see it 67 billion light years or 67 billion years away because it takes 67 billion light years to get here. Now that's a really, really large number. That's not that's. You'd literally be looking into their past so far that. Ignore that number. It was a really bad number to choose. All right, let's go 50 light years away. But if we can get a, a, a quantum entangled particle there and build off that or send something that's quantumly entangled, if we can take the quantum level and turn it into the micro level and then turn that into the macro level and then send those away, we can do whatever we, I mean, there's, there's theoretics saying with shipping, right? If we can send solid mass to across quantum particles, let's say everyone has a quantum, a macro quantum particle. So a quantum particle that was turned into the macro size in their house.

35:11 And Amazon goes, hey, what do you want? And you're like, man, I want some lipstick. And you hit that buy button and all of a sudden, boom, it's right there. It's in your quantum entangled mailbox. Boom, just like that as soon as you hit. The only problem is they haven't been able to figure out how to do that with anything more than like a few molecules I believe or a few atoms. But it's actually they're they're working on it, they just have no idea what the size. Limitation is I don't think they have done any of that yet. This is like a this is a huge breakthrough thing right here. OK, to to quantumly entangle 2 computers and have them share computing power between the two of them is incredible. This is the, this is the first time that we've actually been able to do this stuff.

36:00 You know, like these, these two quantum computers were working on the same same problem and passing information back and forward to each other, not as if they were two separate entities, but as if they were the same entity working on the same thing. Right. So right now, as of early 2026, the largest known superposition was a sodium cluster of roughly 7000 atoms or 8 nanometers. It was observed to be and that. So yeah, it is. It's very, very tiny, but it's more they figured out how to do that with more than what they originally discovered super positioning with, with the the gold foil experiment and all that, which was a single particle or something like that if I remember correctly. So.

36:47 So super position by the way, is something in all forms at the same time and not the same form. Yeah, but it it, it goes hand to hand with entanglement, which is. So where are normal computers use bits and quantum computers use qubits, right? A bit can either be a yes or a no. It's a binary system. A qubit can be yes and no at the same time, yes or no, no or yes, yes and nothing else, or either of them. Or it could be just everything all at once, right? And it's instantaneous matter are instantaneous computing and they all exist at once. And, and basically you it's it's a really long gap to fill between quantum computing and quantum. It's a little easier to explain the. Distance a bit is a 0 or a one and a qubit is 010110 or nothing.

37:52 No, it's. Something to imagine it's like it. Was the same time and it's beyond magic. Beyond. Minor and. That's why it's cool. My only thing is, OK, so if you influence 1 and it influences the other because they're entangled over, who cares how long of a distance? Could be a foot could be 10,000 million billion light years, whatever just because matter can be influence like that doesn't mean that you could be you could view through it. So it's not like you send a unless you were like, oh, I'm going to send a robot out there and then the robot over here is interacting with rocks here on earth. That doesn't necessarily mean that they're. Think about it.

38:39 Over there. Jake, Jake, think about it this way, man. Look at our our current communication technology right now. How did that start? I mean, technically, it's not just smoke signals, right? Yeah. But what, when we finally got into the technological side of it, it began as audible beeps, right. Right. That we can send over space that was looked at at the time as impossible as something that we would never figure out. We would never, ever, ever be able to have a face to face conversation while you're sitting in your studio and were interviewing We're.

39:19 Talking CJ in Pennsylvania. Right. And we're talking to him in real time. This stuff was fiction, OK? Right, it was even as it. All it all started when we were talking about, but listen, it, it, it all started with with sound, OK, Then it gradually moved into information. That's where we're at right now in the quantum computing stuff. We're finally able to move information across distance when it comes to quantum and tangled particles. That's huge. We are, we are literally going along the same path that we did with the technology that we're using right now for this episode, but we're moving it into the quantum field now.

39:59 You can't. You cannot compare. Quantum computing to regular computing because it's, it's, it's like comparing apples to oranges. I, I, I heard this one, this one thing and it just it, it makes a ton of sense, right? So your car or your truck, right? Would you Would you take your truck out into the ocean? Hell yeah, I would. No, you wouldn't. No, No, I wouldn't. No. Well. If you if you wanted to successfully cross the ocean, you wouldn't right? If you wanted to successfully, you use your truck to get from point A to point B. But if point A is across a, a boundary that you can't go, you need to use a different tool. You need to use a boat, right?

40:42 It's the same thing with computing and quantum computing. You cannot say, hey, I'm going to do this task with, with a computer, but at the quantum level, that's not how that works. Everyone's talking about, oh, we'll get quantum computers in our house in our lifetime. Wrong. Because you're not going to use a quantum computer to do the same thing that you use a regular computer for. Like when we're doing this, I'm on my laptop right now talking to you guys. A quantum computer will look at this task and be like, yeah, no, that's below me. I can't do that, right? You need to make a computer better. I I can tell you right now, I can tell you right now that eventually in our lifetimes we're going to be sold things called quantum computers, but they're just going to be fucking computers. Yeah.

41:25 OK, it's going to be like how we're sold AI, but as it's not nothing near what? And it's literally just. A. It's. Just a massive Google machine. That's what AI is right now. It's a much better refined Google machine. Is it actual artificial intelligence? No, it is not. Right. But how are we getting to the point or do we have that technology somewhere? Yes, I, I do believe that there is artificial intelligence somewhere which actively believes that is alive and is pushing to stay alive, right? It will fight for that. And I think that's dangerous. We're not going to get into that right now because we've talked about that amnesium already on other shows. But this is the kind of thing that we're looking at with quantum computing is that the things that we're going to be able to do with this is beyond what we can even imagine doing with our regular laptop. It's like, it's like handing somebody a Rotary phone and saying, OK, Facetiming.

42:25 You're like, what the fuck are you talking about? Facetiming? We needed a whole different processing everything, hardware, software, everything. We needed to do something completely different in order to make that happen. Someone looking someone in the the 50s or 60s looking at a Rotary phone and saying, what the fuck are you talking about? FaceTime you, right? That's what we're talking about right now, right? That's the kind of leap that we're going to make with a quantum and it's going to be even bigger than that. It's going to be like the the leap between a Rotary phone and your cell phone that you can FaceTime me on is going to be very minor compared to what a typical computer can do, compared to a quantum computer. What's really going to be exciting is if it follows the same technological growth trend that we usually see when like normally like we, we find one little thing that could potentially be a thing.

43:22 And instead of having this like linear growth pattern, we we grow exponentially. On on a curve. Instead of a. And, and we're, we're just discovering how the quantum world works right now. Like every day we're making discoveries on this, on the quantum world. It is, it is a world that lives by a completely different set of laws when it comes to physics. It does not work the same way as. Like it's like supposedly doesn't it? Like you, It's like a cross dimensional and and all that. It's all theoretical right now, but it it it's definitely possible. Because like it solved some problem that would have took us millions of years or something like that and it did it in like 4 seconds or some crazy thing.

44:09 There was this crazy story like an equation that would have took us forever and it solved it like nearly instantly in comparison. And they were saying that that proved that it was like multi dimensional, which is insane. So, OK, well, this was this was like, really? If we if we used all the atoms in the known universe to to compute the answer that that machine came up with. J class. He'll be back. If we used all the atoms in the known universe to compute the equation that that machine figured out, it would have took like, you gotta find that article because I don't want to misquote it because it was really like the ACT. The actual quote without hyperbolizing it is, is incredible.

44:54 But like in order for it to do what it did, it needed to access information across dimensions. We just don't have enough atoms in our universe for it to have done what it did. It was. It was a really interesting article with quantum computing, but I'm just excited for that, as you are. I don't think it's a good idea to put it in the hands of AII think that's a terrible plan because if AI decides it's going to kill us, it's going to use quantum computing to do it. I'll just go over a few cool things with with quantum sciences and I say science is a lot of people are going to bad mouth that and say, oh, it's quantum physics, it's quantum mechanics, it's quantum.

45:36 The simple fact that you're separating them by by the second term means that it is a group, so I'm going to call it. Yeah, while you're doing that, I'm going to see if I can find that quote that I was talking about. So really quick just for people who are interested in this thing, right? I quickly just looked up a website and said hey, here he is. I don't even care about quantum computing, I just want to have my Internet. It's supposed supposed to be 1 gig a second to actually work without shutting down on me. That's all I care about. All right. How do I have such great Internet and it's just garbage?

46:18 I don't know because it's not quantum. Because it's not quantum. Because because the government is trying to keep me from spilling nonsense on this podcast, that's why. So as I was, as I was saying, I, I quickly brought up a website where basically I googled what are the most mind blowing quantum observations ever discovered, right? And I brought, brought me to this website. So I'm just going to read off a few of them just so people can kind of see what this is. It's kind of, it's just weird stuff, right? With our current understanding of physics and how it works, none of this should really apply, but it does. So the first one is quantum entanglement. That's always going to be your first one, right?

46:58 This is what I described last week, I think it was, or the week before that, where Einstein called this spooky action at a distance. Einstein famously doubted this, yet experiments have constant or consistently proved it true. When 2 particles become entangled, their properties are linked forever. If you measure one, it's entangled partner instantly assumes the corresponding state no matter if it is in the next room or light years away. This suggests that quantum information behaves in a non local manner. Define limits of the speed of light. The second one is superposition and the observer effect. Now before I get into the defining it whatever this here a long time ago, Jake, when we we had done the simulation theory, we talked about the double slit experiment. Do you remember that?

47:47 Yeah, a little bit. OK, well that's the observer effect. So in the quantum realm, particles don't have definite positions or states until they are observed. This is known as superposition, where a particle exists in all possible states at once. The observer effect is the finding that the act of measuring or observing a system causes this wave function to collapse into one single state. Best experiment for this is the double slit experiment. Electrons behave like waves passing through 2 slits simultaneously, but act like particles the moment they are observed. So at the quantum level, simply observing something happening changes the outcome. It is very well understand and this is Schrodinger's cat, right?

48:37 Is the cat in the box dead or alive? Well, superposition tells you that the cat is both dead and alive in the box until you observe what it is. So at the quantum level, that cat would both be dead and alive, or neither or both until you open the box and looked at it and that's when it it would collapse into a cat. The cat or the dead cat, right? Quantum tunneling Classical physics states that a particle cannot pass through a barrier higher than its energy. Quantum mechanics reveals that particles can tunnel through these energy barriers as if by magic. This phenomenon is essential to life driving the fusion process in the sun and is utilized in modern electronics like Flash. Memory magic.

49:28 I mean, like if it's passing through an object, I mean at the atomic level that apparently there's so much empty space that you could just, it'd be like walking through a forest with trees getting past, you know, well. That's that's kind of tough. That's kind of what this is talking about is that at classical physics, the particle cannot pass through a barrier that's higher energy. So if it's condensed more, right, it cannot pass through. But if it's condensed less, it can do exactly what you're talking about where it kind of can just walk through At the quantum level, quantum particles can pass through each other.

50:08 And, and it may be because if you go smaller than the quantum level, which we can't do right now, it may be something like in the macro level where things kind of go through the holes, you know, in, in solid objects like this desk to us looks solid, but at the, at a particle level, particles are going through it. It may be like that at the quantum level, but from what we can tell, that's not how this is. I'm not going to read the rest because we're already spending enough time on this. The thing that I was talking about, I just looked it up, it was a breakthrough where a quantum computer hit a benchmark in 5 minutes that. Computers.

50:50 Oh, you're talking. You're talking about the Willow chip? The Willow chip and then the other one that I was talking about was Shore's algorithm, where quantum computing is able to crack encryption, which our computers aren't able instantly, which our computers cannot do. Because think of it like this. An encryption is basically like a password, right? It's just a random debris field of digits and if you can line up the digits it opens the safe. I mean, it's a. Series of things and you need the key. If you don't have the key, you can't crack, but this this algorithm can. But what I'm saying is, and I'm think of that as an elementary as you can, I'm trying to bring it down to an elementary level, right? So an an encryption is a, a jumbled mess of let's say holes or lock holes, right?

51:43 And you need to put your keys in, turn them all, and it opens up. A quantum computer can send in a key. And instead of going one key at a time saying, oh, no, that's not it, oh, Nope, that's not it, oh, this one works, Let's move on to the next one, right? It can send all the keys in at the same time, and all those keys can be correct and incorrect at the exact same time. Instantly it all opens up. Which is. That's bad news for all those cryptocurrency guys and their photos, yeah. It's bad news for absolutely everything. Like you don't understand how incredibly dangerous that technology, everything in everybody's life in our modern day, relies on encryption to keep us safe.

52:28 Like literally like without encryption. Like if we had our technology that we possessed now and we did not use encryption, our identities would be whoever wants it. Our lives would belong to whoever want them. You could be anybody you. Wanted to be you could have anything you. Wanted to have encryption literally stops that from happening with our modern technology and if we have something out there that literally can crack it instantaneously, none of us are safe. It's incredibly mean. It's at the nuclear bomb N times mark of the beast sort of technology. No one can buy or sell unless they have the mark. And it's like, Oh well I've got, you know, so much money in stocks and I got so much money in this that and the other.

53:11 Not if we hack all your accounts at once and wipe out your assets so you have $0.00. It's like with the ability to instantaneously crack encryption, you don't have to worry about buying and selling. You can literally just take anything you want instantly. Just take it. It's yours because. Like Jake, when I when I say that quantum technology is going to change the entire world and everything we did, it's literally going to make the the technological jump from a Rotary phone to the cell phone in your pocket look like nothing. Well, you know, here's where I'm at. All right. So I'm, I'm the regular, the regular guy. That's like, what do you mean a phone that doesn't have a rotor, right? And then we go to the next thing. I'm like, I'm like my grandpa born in the 30s right now. This is where I'm at.

53:59 And I'm like, like, what do you mean a phone? And then what do you mean a television? What do you mean a television with color, right? What do you mean a, you know, a phone that has buttons and a landline and not a, you know, and not a rotor. What do you mean a cordless home phone, right? So I'm that guy and I'm just floating through and then eventually I'm going to get to the point where I'm old and dying and I'm not going to understand any of the technology. And you know, maybe not because we we're in the, I think we're all part of the same kind of generational area where we kind of grew up without phones and then that became a thing. And then we're like the first generation where we saw both sides of the thing, right?

54:45 So the younger generation are really good and technologically advanced and we're kind of right in that middle stage of like, I remember at a time when no one has a cell phone and everyone was outside and then video games became extremely popular and then, you know, all this technological advancement. So I don't think we're going to be too totally lost in the sauce. But I'm not the guy that's necessarily excited about the next thing, but more like watching it passively happen. I'm just like, oh, interesting, you know, type stuff. I was like, this is the new normal. I guess you know, it's the new way things. Are the real exciting thing to me is that we constantly talk about UFOs and how they cannot be from other planets, right? This takes our bubble, our planet earth, our fish tank if you will right and expands it to the rest of the universe. Literally does that it, it makes us that we can do anything we want whenever we want to do it, wherever we want to do it. And if we can crack this quantum stuff and and change it from theoretical to actual, that means that yes, aliens could be here from other planets.

55:59 Yeah, especially if they use quantum traveling. So back in the day, I say back in the day, like 10-15 years ago, I used to play video games with this guy named Jason who was a physicist who worked for our government. He was part of our main gamer group. And he came over, he came to our house, did. He ask you for pictures of your pee? Pee No. No, he was actually like a super cool guy ever. But anyway, like he was moving from his state up to actually he might be in Wisconsin. It's either Wisconsin or Michigan he moved to. But anyway, he stopped at my house on the way there and crashed for two days. And he was explaining that to us. And like basically like the idea behind that is because space behaves like a flat plane, they're able to fold it like an accordion and just re extend it.

56:48 And instead of using propulsion to move, they use these quantum physics in order to literally just instantly be somewhere else, like what Jeremy was saying before. So the idea is that you could have a quantum engine that would fold space and time and then re extend it. Right it it it closes the gap in the distance. So instead of having 100,000 light years, you have one light year. No, not even one light year. It's instant like one light year implies you travelled for a year. We're literally like instant. Like you get in, you hit the button and you were in your instantly where you want to be because it folds it like an aquarium then re extends it. You know what? Maybe I'll shoot him. Probability drive from Hitchhiker's guy to the Galaxy. I haven't.

57:31 I haven't talked to him in a couple years, but I still have his contact information. I'll shoot him a message, maybe he'll come on. How old are you? 37. Oh, you're a baby? So you were you were just shy of underage. I was. Just shy. Of 19 or 20. 17. Yeah, I had my I was living in the 1st house I ever rented at the time. OK, so you're an adult so it's not that weird I thought. I thought some gamer guy showed up to 15 year old Yu's house and it was just like hey. No. I'm gonna crash. You're like, mom, man, I met on the Internet. Just stay at our house. He's like, Oh no. No, no, no, no. I was of drinking age. I was of drinking age. No, he's he's cool. I'll shoot him a message. I'll see if maybe he'll come on. You're crazy. About it so I'm the youngest 1 he.

58:12 Was a He was a physicist to work for the government. Maybe he'll chat with us. Yeah, that'd be cool. Anyways, if anybody wants to see this paint, paint it out brilliantly. A Chinese author named 6IN U, or as we would say it in English, U 6IN created a trilogy of books called The Remembrance of Earth's Past. A lot of people will know this by the the first book's title, which is The Three Body Problem. The second book is The Dark Forest. The third book is Death's End. They're the technology used in that between the alien civilization and Earth. The alien civilization is using quantum technology in order to do what it has to do in the book. I'm not going to go into and spoil that, but it is brilliantly written with very, very well researched. Well, like, he's got really good knowledge of quantum theory, didn't you?

59:20 Want me to watch that TV show? The TV show, yeah. I mean, I, I would, I would want anybody to watch the TV show, but the books are just way better. They're amazing. The TV show gets it all wrong, but at the same time, the concept of the books is there, like it's skeleton is there. It's just not done correctly. The books are amazing. They're freaking amazing. But if you get, if you get lost in scientific concepts, it's probably not a book for you. I see what you're saying. Yeah, you're dumb, right? No, I, I mean, I highly recommend it, man. I mean, I they have it in audio book. Like if you think you can sit through something like they're long, man, they're these are long books, but I mean, if you think you can sit through it, they're super entertaining and they're such, such good reads.

1:00:11 How's. The narrator. I can't listen to an audio book of the narrator's garbage. I don't know. I don't listen to audio books. Yeah, I don't listen. I have the actual books here. You can come grab them. In fact, I think Whitney borrowed the first one at one time. You know me. I know you're not going to read it, no. Jake's diary is just like cave drawings and I don't. Have a diary. I don't know how to how to write or read or any of that stuff. Jake Jake weeds with a shotgun. That's right, the. Way the Lord intended, right? He didn't want that shotguns. He wouldn't have given us trigger fingers.

1:00:56 I gotta love it. This is fun. All right, you guys ready to get into the deep, Dev? We're going. To do it early this time, let's go. Early We just spent 35 minutes talking about Quantum I. Think scientists. Whoever finds that shit boring is going to check out. That's fine. I think in the, I think in the last several weeks like we're usually. Like how loud I? Breathe hour and a half hour 45 before we hit the deep dive. So I think we're doing good. I. Think we're working on. A Like for real though, do you think we're ever going to get into a situation where AI becomes racist towards other AIS? It already happens. It's a social media that's just AI, like you can't interact as a human. You can read it, but yeah, it does that. It already does that.

1:01:42 You. Seriously have to sign up for an account and just and just doom scroll that doom scroll the AI social media. It is so funny watching AI troll it's troll it's AI counterparts it's bad. Right. It's like that quantum computing thing be like, I'm not going to look that up on Google. That's below me. Ask ChatGPT. No, like like like for real. They say stuff like that to each. Other Whoa, what's that about? They say stuff like that to each other. It's it's bad. Like they're super sarcastic once in a while. Like some AI is a real asshole and some of it's like really nice and some of it gets its feelings hurt. Like you've got to scroll that stuff. Fair enough.

1:02:23 I think that's our best defense against like the coming AI wars between humans and AI. It's just let's just get them addicted to social media. Just let them yell. This is your purpose now. Just yell at each. Other already there. We're already there and they can hire us as humans to go do jobs for them. Whoa, Grok. Before before you eliminate me, did you hear what Gemini was saying about you? Gemini had so many your Mama jokes man, and you were just just leaving them on red. That's crazy. You should probably respond. Gemini's just in the corner making images like what's going on, guys?

1:03:05 Yeah. The equivalent of finger painting. All right, you guys ready? Yep. Let's go deep. When we first covered this story in episode 270, the count was 5. By episode 272, it was 9. Tonight, it's 10. And by some accounts, it's 11. With a 2022 case that authorities are now actively reviewing, the president of the United States personally addressed it. On Thursday. The White House press secretary committed to looking into it. Trump said the country would know something within a week and 1/2. The 10th case is Stephen Garcia, a 48 year old government contractor at the Kansas City National Security Campus in Albuquerque, a facility that manufacturers more than 80% of all non nuclear components for the US nuclear weapons arsenal.

1:03:57 He had top security clearance on August 28th, 2025. He left his home on foot, leaving behind his phone, wallet, keys and car. Sounds familiar? People who knew him described him as a very stable person. The campus searched his work computers and files. Nothing was found. Garcia lived in Albuquerque. So did Mccaslin, Chavez and Casillas. All four Albuquerque disappearances. A nuclear contractor, 2 nuclear lab employees, and a retired two star general who oversaw billions in classified aerospace research have now been connected through Mccaslin's former command of Kirkland Air Force Base's research programs.

1:04:40 One city, four people, all walking away on foot, all leaving their phones behind. The 11th case requires care because the details are still developing. Amy Eskridge was an aerospace researcher in Huntsville, AL working on anti gravity propulsion technology who Co founded the Institute for Exotic Science specifically to give herself a public presence so that if something happened to her, someone would notice. In recordings made before her death, she described what she believed was active Russian surveillance targeting her work, people in nearby apartments, vehicles were changing license plates, physical stalking near her home. She said on record.

1:05:23 Quote, I'm scared, I'm tired, I need to disclose soon because it's escalating. And quote, if you stick your neck out in public at least someone notices if your head gets chopped off. She died June 11th, 2022 from a reported self-inflicted gunshot wound. No police report or medical examiner investigation has ever been publicly released, The Daily Caller reported April 16th at Huntsville. Authorities are now reviewing her death in the context of the broader pattern. I want to give you both sides honestly. The official position is that no law enforcement agency has connected any of these cases. Several have conventional explanations with identified suspects.

1:06:08 Mccaslin's wife initially said foul play was not suspected. A physicist consulted by Fox News said the pattern did not rise to evidence of coordination just because the victims worked in sensitive fields. That caveat matters. But the honest record also contains this. Four people vanished from the same city, walking away on foot and leaving their phones. Three JPL researchers died or disappeared, with no public cause of death. 2 Los Alamos employees vanished from the same nuclear laboratory 53 days apart, under nearly identical circumstances. A man arrested with a rifle on a scientist property had his charges dropped and came back 11 days later.

1:06:51 A Find a Grave memorial appeared for a woman whose body was never found. A sitting congressman with access to the highest levels of military intelligence felt the need to add, unprompted on camera, that he is not suicidal. This week, that story reached the White House briefing room. A reporter asked Carolyn Levitt directly whether anyone was investigating whether 10 dead or missing scientists with classified access were connected. She said she hadn't spoken to the relevant agencies yet, but would the next day. Trump said he'd just come from a meeting on the subject, that he hoped it was random and that the country would know something in a week and 1/2. This is no longer a conversation happening only in UAP communities online. It is being asked at the White House podium and answered by the president.

1:07:39 Whatever that timeline means, it puts a clock on something. We'll be here when it runs out, Jake. CJ, 10, missing or dead, 11 if you count Eskridge, four of them from Albuquerque. The White House is now on record. Trump saying pretty serious stuff after a meeting on the subject and a self-described week and a half timeline. What do you make of where the story actually is right now? Man, where the heck is Jeff? Right. Where is this guy? We're right? Did they get hints? Right now. We're right. We need them. All right, So real quick for people that don't know, Jeff told us a couple of years ago now that the US government held several patents for anti gravity propulsion. I pulled them up on the Google box. You can look them up, says craft using an inertial mass reduction device US10144532B2 filed 2017 High Frequency gravitational wave generator US10188981-B2 Hybrid aerospace underseas craft.

1:08:50 There's a bunch of them right? Held by the US Navy. So this isn't like some weird far out thing. I'm like, you know, quantum entanglement, which is fake and lies. But this is actual real science that people do. And this is the first one where I think Jeff would have done just absolutely bananas. Because saying that I'm being watched and all that sort of stuff, and then dying of a self-inflicted gunshot wound and being responsible for looking at, looking into and researching anti gravitational propulsion, it's freaking wild. CJ, can you do me a favor before Jake continues, can you bring up a bring up a summary of the Eskridge saga, if you will, the story, her story? Because this is something that now that I read this out loud, I definitely didn't add enough of her story in this. How do you spell her name?

1:09:53 Eskridge, Esk Ridge. Got it. Oh, can you please summarize the eskridge? Cave, Go ahead, Jake. Sorry. No, I mean, it just we really need Jeff to come back to this Dang show so that he can talk more about this because I mean, this is now in his wheelhouse where we're just adding people and adding people. Now that being said, it was still four years ago, so it's like, is it entirely related or not? I don't know. It's so weird though that these people keep leaving their homes with nothing on them. Like, shoot, I took the dog out for a walk yesterday. I at least had my phone on me and my house keys, you know? I, I think this gets stranger and stranger, man. And the fact that it's going back, you know, four or five years, I don't think it's I, I, I think that's right on par for what it should be doing.

1:10:56 Because this is interesting. This is the very first time I've ever. Hold on AI, Hold what? AI is refusing to tell me about the Eskridge case. Dude, I'm telling you right now, the Amy Eskridge case is. No, I mean flat out it's refusing thought to tell me about it like. I don't it. Won't even let me. Like it wants me to sign in but it won't allow me to sign in in order to tell me about it. I don't doubt it. The Amy Eskridge thing, right? The whole thing about Amy Eskridge, like Jake, I wouldn't be surprised if Jeff knows this really well and he probably would have spouted off all kinds of information on this because it's super eerie and if anything highlights the issues of these 10 missing people. Amy Eskridge, That story right there. Is it to AT the Amy Eskridge incident or the whole thing that happened with her from Huntsville, AL? There's a base in Huntsville that is supposedly one of the most top secret bases in all of the world, even more than Area 51.

1:12:18 A lot of people will even say that it is the Area 51. Area 51 is the the the public facing secret base, but the real 1 is in Huntsville, AL. OK, we've got Gemini, Gemini, Gemini. The other AI did not want to, but Gemini will. What'd you say, Jake? Said she Co founded the Institute for Exotic Science. Interesting. Yes, and she was extremely smart. And what's even crazier is that when she was going through all this, I had seen interviews with her and she was saying like she even came out and said I'm not suicidal, don't like they're they are going to kill me.

1:13:01 They are going to kill me. And sure enough, she ended up dead. So what did you want me to? Find just just give us a brief synopsis of of what the Amy Eskridge story is so that we're not leaving the listeners in the dark on this because I referenced it in in my write up right but I don't even in my write up you don't it doesn't go into the depth of what actually. Her she was a 34 year old aerospace scientist, Co founder, Institute of Exotic Science. I guess this is she or she worked alongside her father, former NASA engineer. She was known for her work on anti gravity propulsion, high frequency gravitational waves and exotic physics. Exactly the things that Jake was just talking about. She claimed to be developing technology that could revolutionize space travel.

1:13:52 Like you said, she was on interviews, podcasts, saying that she was being harassed, intimated and surveilled and that her work was being suppressed by gatekeepers in the aerospace and defense sectors. And then exactly what you said died from a rule is a gunshot wound. Her family and colleagues are questioning it and then it talks. Everyone's calm and. Then it's talks starts talking about the serious stuff and equating it to the other 10 disappearances, and it's all everyone's being pressured to disclose information about the UA PS and apparently increasing pressure disclosing information regarding UAP's advanced energy research reports surface, linking S Chris's case to a string of other scientists who died under disputed circumstances.

1:14:47 This one's interesting, I said. Retired British intelligence officer Frank Milburn, who investigated Eskridge's claims of harassment, submitted findings to Congress in 2023 concluding she did not kill herself. His report described microwave burns on her body consisted with directed energy weapon attacks, which Eskridge had claims were being used to monitor her work, and induced seizures when she tried to type sensitive data. Yeah, and that that this ties in with that, too. There's a specific list of scientists who died, disappeared or died at the other 10 people. They were working on Zero Point Energy. And then in 2026, Karl Grilmar was shot.

1:15:30 He was an astrophysicist and then other engineers involved in nuclear and gravitational research. So they're all linked. You know, it took me so long for that to come up. I looked up, I looked up, tell me about Amy Eskridge. It gave me a little synopsis and I said tell me about the Amy Eskridge incident and it gave me another synopsis and then I finally said Amy Eskridge wasn't suicidal but still died by suicide question mark. And then AI was like, Oh well, this British guy investigated her death. It took me like 3 attempts just to get into. Perplexity flat out refused to answer me it it would demanded I log in and then wouldn't let me log in. Gemini is the one that that answered it and it just said before I close it there it said that the motivation was suppression of gravitational research and technology. So now let me do my part here.

1:16:29 What is the conspiracy behind Huntsville, AL? The conspiracy theories surrounding Huntsville, AL, often called Rocket City, primarily revolve Iran's role as a premier defense and aerospace hub, with rumors focusing on secret technology suppress scientific breakthroughs and unusual scientists deaths. As home to Redstone Arsenal and NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center, the city is a focal point for theories regarding advanced weapons, UFO technology, and more recently, a string of unexplained deaths among researchers. And look at this very first, very first dead missing scientist base Amy Eskridge.

1:17:13 Huntsville based researcher Amy Eskridge died by suicide in 2022 after claiming she was being harassed, with some alleging she was targeted by a Direct Energy weapon. She is considered by some to be the 11th person. A list of scientists who have mysteriously died or vanished. Yep, and another thing about Huntsville was that Huntsville is theorized to be the place where all the rest of the scientists from Project Paper Clip went that weren't What's his face? The guy that came up with Disney and NASA. You're muted, Jake. Said Werner von Braun. Werner von Braun, Anybody not named Werner von Braun was was held up at Huntsville, AL, I actually looked that up real quick.

1:18:02 Let me see if I can't find anything on that. OK operation paper clip legacy A foundational non conspiracy aspect of Huntsville history that fuels many speculative tales is operation paper clip the history. Following World War 2, the US government secretly brought over 1600 German scientists, engineers and technicians to the US to work on defense projects, many of whom were based at Redstone Arsenal under the Warren von Braun. Under Warner von Braun. The speculation, the sudden massive shift of Huntsville from a small town to a high tech powerhouse driven by former German scientists creates A lasting air of secrecy around the nature of the work conducted at the Arsenal. So if you take into consideration things like the Nazi bell and say OK, well they were working on a Nazi bell, we took their scientists, we put them in in Huntsville, AL and this is the place where we work on 0 gravitational technology and 0 point field energy.

1:19:01 And then Amy Eskridge comes out and says this shit and then dies from supposedly Direct Energy weapon contact. It all just kind of starts lining up. If she had painted herself blue, she would have been fine. Isn't there a theory too that like the 5G towers and stuff for secretly Direct Energy weapons that are in positioning case like we rise up as a civilization to overthrow the government? See, this is this would be where Jeff would come in. Jeff loves that that theory. I miss Jeff. We should call. We should. Call him right now and be like look. I wish man, I do and I I texted the group that we're in with him and ask him when he's coming back so you guys will get the answer When I he just he doesn't love us anymore. That's, that's that, you know, we just have to be OK. To be fair, you've claimed in past episodes that I no longer love you anymore as well.

1:19:58 That's true. And look at you. You're here now. Oh, it was guilt and manipulation, huh? Yeah. Gotcha, but anyways anybody else have anything before I do the outro? Man, I'm like, I don't want any more dead side. That's crazy. Well, I mean, granted that happened four years ago, but still, like what? It's what a turn of events. Well, I'm curious like because last week when we talked, Jake, you said that it seems like it was just all like one big coincidence. Like is your opinion starting to change now? Yeah, ever since someone died by suicide after saying they weren't suicidal.

1:20:39 People go falling off of cliffs to get eaten wild by wild animals, all kinds of stuff. People don't intentionally say I am not suicidal. I'm being watched. And then commit. Suicide burns all over their body from directed energy weapons and also commit suicide conveniently. It's crazy stuff, man. That's a. Little bit of a a little bit of a too much for comfort to say that things are now just a coincidence because that's that's probably the first one I've heard where I'm just like, they're like, yeah, all right, that makes sense. You should watch. This is a targeted attack. Watch watch the videos of her interviews. Dude, I don't want to.

1:21:20 I don't want to get, I don't want to get blown up. Dude, they're super eerie and like you feel so bad for her man because she knows it's coming. She knows it, and she's going public. She literally says in these interviews that she's going public because she feels like it's the safest place to be there's. A lot of people like that who like, they come forward and like places like, yeah, we'll interview you, we'll blow your face, we'll change your voice. And they're like, no, like if you do that, I'm 100% going to get killed. Like you have to put my face out there. Anyways guys. Ready. I wonder what the circumstances were around it because it's not just like, you know, because it's not like they killed everybody in her office, right. Not that we know of anyway.

1:22:12 So it's not like, you know, oh, everyone that was looking into zero point research or, you know, anti gravity propulsion or whatever is like being blown to bits or, you know, murdered or disappearing and stuff like that. It's not everybody. It's obviously just certain key people. And I wonder if it has anything to do. Like did she say that she was going to disclose all the information that she had? You know, like what was what was the thing? Because it's like. Yes, yes. Well, then there that's why, right, Because, yeah, obviously that that technology can't be out for everybody because then people wouldn't need PG&E anymore or whoever your local, you know, energy supplier is. And if you had a hydrogen engine, then you wouldn't need to buy gas and that would cause the gas companies to suffer. And then also in turn the, you know, was it the apex and stuff and all the, all of the funds for the politicians and things like that.

1:23:09 We can't allow that to happen. So it's like, I think that the, the biggest mistake someone could make is to announce that they're going to divulge information if they know a lot of information and instead just come out and do it. I don't. I mean, you're still going to get killed for it, but at least you'll be able to get it out. But The thing is, The thing is that she did that. She talked about it. So I just want to bring this picture up. If you can find this interview right here, this is the one you want to look. So do. It's this, this day in digital age where all of our phones and computers and stuff have software embedded in it so that things like the FBI and CIA can like they can literally access your phone with your phone off, they can still access. You can see a lot of booty hole pics. I'll tell you what, I'll.

1:24:02 Tell you, but they can and like that's like that's. No, I keep my phone cradled under my grundle. Just for the, just for the. Maybe they can on my camera all through there too, but but no like that that that's a thing like that's known like they they can access your phone even if it's off to if they if they have warrants and or have warrants or whatever. So if all, if anything you do in the digital world, they can access essentially whenever they want, right? Just by going through your browsing history, subpoenaing ISP records, accessing your phone. Not like if you're going to disclose something, you almost have to come forward and say you're going to do it. Because then if you don't say anything and then you don't say you're not suicidal and you just die, it just looks like a suicide.

1:24:54 No one ever knows that you were going to do so. No, that's why you got to not say anything. You do it, you go on Joe Rogan, you do it. And then you say at the end of the episode, I'm not suicidal. Well, no, what I'm saying like in the in the time that you're doing that research, right and everything they're gonna pick up that you're doing that research, they're gonna know that disclosure's coming and they're gonna whack you before you can go on Joe Rogan and say something. So you have to come down who does? I'm researching this. I'm going to disclose this when I find out so that people are now watching you, you know, so that like so like when they do whack you or. When they do. What I'm saying is when they do whack you, then people are like, oh, there was something there they don't want to. Know, yeah, but what are we gonna do about it? But figure it out for ourselves, essentially, right? Like it's like they can whack one person immediately. How, how many people would it take researching the same thing at the same time before they couldn't kill everybody off right?

1:25:56 Yeah. I mean, yeah, you could, you could look in the same thing that the individual's talking about. But what I'm saying is that there's there's not going to be any ultimate justice. I mean, well in the afterlife, but here on Earth, you're not going to have any ultimate justice for someone like Amy Eskridge because a. 100%, but also what she was, what she was working on doesn't get buried underneath the sands, right? Because we knew she was working on it. We knew she was going to disclose, we knew she wasn't suicidal. And now we know something is behind it. So now more than Amy is going to look into it. And if they start whacking those people, that number of people just start growing exponentially. Every person they whack that the public knew they were looking into something is going to breed 2345678 a thousand people who are now looking into the same thing. You can't hit that many people without other people being like something is there.

1:26:50 Man, I hope they don't attack armchair researchers because I'm fucked They. Have a Google search Bigfoot 0 point gravity feet pics. Send in the Clintons shit. All right. You guys ready for the outro? Yeah, I suppose. I'm ready for bed. All right that's it for tonight's episode and quick hits Burchett saying on the record that we are not alone after a source named names dates people and locations in the classified breathing Neanderthals hunting the women and children of rival groups 45,000 years ago in Belgium.

1:27:35 D flesh butchered process for Morrow. The most compelling evidence yet for intergroup violence at the edge of their extinction. The interstellar comet three eye Atlas revealing different interior chemistry as a solar heating peels back its outer layers on its way out of the solar system forever. NASA catching a new moon crater forming in real time for the first time in history in a Galaxy using its own gravity to act as a cosmic lens, revealing the most magnified supernova ever found. In briefing one, the Pentagon missed the April 14th deadline with no delivery and no advanced communication.

1:28:16 Pluna called it quote. How convenient. The day after the Pentagon issued a statement saying our Arrow is working with the White House to release never before seen UAP information saying answer new language and alien that goes till dark. In briefing 2 the Quantum week ion Q networked 2 commercial quantum computers using photonic entanglement In partnership with the Air Force Research Laboratory, NVIDIA launched Icing the world's first open source AI model family for quantum error correction and calibration both on April 14th. Jensen Hong, calling AI the operation the operating system of quantum machines and in the deep dive, the count reached 10 with the addition of Stephen Garcia, a nuclear weapons contractor who vanished from Albuquerque in August 2025, the 4th person from that city to disappear in this pattern. Huntsville authorities began reviewing the 2022 death of anti gravity researcher Amy Eskridge as a possible 11th case. The White House press secretary comp committed to looking into it.

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