IRH 277: FBI Delivers UAP Files, Luna Saw Non-Human Objects & Grush's 60-Day Timeline

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On May 5th, 2020, sixth, the
director of the FBI sat down and

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said on the record that the
United States government has

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assembled the first tranche of
classified UAP documents and

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they are coming out very soon.
The same day, the government's

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most prominent UAP whistle
blower said he has confidence

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disclosure will escalate in the
next 60 to 90 days.

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And the chair of the House
Oversight Task Force on

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declassification.
Congresswoman leading the charge

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on the 46 classified videos went
on record 6 days earlier saying

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she has personally viewed inside
a classified facility things she

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describes as being of non human
origin and creation.

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She said she doesn't call them
aliens.

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She said when the files are
declassified, she will hold a

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press conference and show the
public exactly what she saw.

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Also this week, a Dutch
expedition ship called the MV

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Hondeas is stranded in the South
Atlantic with 150 people on

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board, 3 already dead from a
virus with no treatment and the

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nearest country refusing to open
its ports.

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Scientists identified four more
sailors from one of history's

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most doomed voyages using DNA,
including one man whose body has

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been misidentified for 166
years.

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Blood vessels were found
preserved inside the fossilized

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bones of AT Rex.
Voyager One powered down a 49

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year old instrument to stay
alive.

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Scientists propose an experiment
that might prove time itself

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exist in quantum superposition.
In this morning, a pond Organism

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was found carrying DNA that
doesn't follow the rules of life

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as we know them.
Welcome back CMC rabbit hole.

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Represents a time in the
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higher this point in time
somewhere else.

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To this 19 85 alternate you need
Einstein.

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our quick hits.
These are the stories from the

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last 10 days that deserve your
attention, even if we don't have

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time to go deep on them.
Tonight, a Dutch polar

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expedition ship called MV
Hondios left Ushawai, Argentina,

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the southernmost city in the
world, on April 1st.

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The leading hypothesis is that
Dutch passengers contracted

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Andy's a hantavirus during a
road trip through South America

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before boarding.
The first passenger died on

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April 11th while the ship was
still at sea.

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His body couldn't be removed for
two weeks.

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His wife disembarked sick and
later died in a South African

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hospital. 1/3 passenger died on
board May 2nd.

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As of tonight, 5 confirmed
cases, 3 suspected, 3 dead, 150

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people still aboard and a Swiss
patient confirmed after

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disembarking, the ship tried the
dock in Tenerife to evacuate its

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passengers.
The president of the Canary

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Islands refused.
The World Health Organization

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said Spain has a moral and legal
obligation to assist the

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critical detail here.
Andy's hantavirus is the only

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member of its family known to
transmit between humans.

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Even if done so rarely.
There is no treatment.

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Supportive care is all they
have.

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Moving on.
On May 6th, University of

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Waterloo researchers announced
they've used DNA analysis to

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identify four more sailors from
the 1845 Franklin Expedition,

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bringing the total to six of the
129 who never came home.

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The stand and out is Harry
Pegler, captain of the four top

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on HMS Terror.
In 1859, searchers found a body

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in the Arctic carrying Pegler's
personal documents but wearing

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clothing that didn't match his
rank.

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For 166 years, nobody could
definitively say who that body

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was.
A living descendants DNA finally

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answered the question.
Another of the newly identified

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sailors turned out to be an
ancestor of ABBC journalist who

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had previously worked on a
genealogy program.

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He described hearing from the
research team as a huge

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surprise.
The same research group

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previously identified the
cannibalized remains of HMS

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Euribus Captain James Fitz
James.

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These 4 show no such evidence.
The Franklin expedition is one

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of the most haunting stories in
exploration history, and after

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181 years, science is still
putting names to the dead.

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Moving on, scientists found
preserved blood vessels inside

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the fossilized bones of AT Rex
named Scotty.

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Intact vescular structure
surviving inside 66 million year

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old fossils in a way that
challenges established limits on

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what biological material can
endure.

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Dinosaur DNA is still out of
reach, and this it doesn't

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change that.
But soft tissue surviving in

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bones from the Cretaceous raises
a serious question.

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What else might be hiding inside
fossils that have already been

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dug up, studied, cataloged and
put in museum cases for decades?

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The answer is turning out to be
more interesting than textbooks

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suggested.
Moving on, on May 4th, NASA made

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a deliberate decision about
Voyager 1.

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The spacecraft launched in 1977.
Now more than 24 billion

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kilometers from Earth.
The most distant human made

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object in existence is running
critically low on power.

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Engineers power down one of its
science instruments to conserve

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enough electricity to keep the
rest functioning.

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Engineers decided which parts of
a 49 year old machine got to

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keep existing.
Out in interstellar space, where

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a signal takes more than 22
hours each way, it is still

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transmitting.
It is still being listened to.

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One instrument fewer than I had
last week.

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Moving on.
Scientists teleported the

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quantum state of a photon
between two separate independent

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quantum dots over a 270 meter
open air link.

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Nothing through fiber, not in a
controlled laboratory

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environment.
Either through open air between

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two devices that were not
physically connected quantum

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information, or the precise
state of a particle move from

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one location to another without
traveling through the

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intervening space in any
conventional sense.

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First time it's been
demonstrated between independent

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devices through the atmosphere.
A real step toward what

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physicists call a quantum
Internet, a communications

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network that could be, by the
laws of physics, impossible to

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intercept without detection.
Moving on, a paper published in

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Physical Review Letters proposed
an experiment using atomic

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clocks that could determine
whether time itself exists in

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quantum superposition, whether
it can pass at different rates

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simultaneously, and Einstein's
relativity.

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Time is not fixed.
It slows near massive objects

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and speeds up in weaker gravity,
and quantum mechanics systems

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can exist in multiple states at
once until observed.

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When you combine those two
frameworks, some physicists

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argue that time itself should be
able to exist in superposition

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as well, ticking at two
different rates at the same

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moment.
Researchers at Stevens Institute

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of Technology and NIST have now
proposed a specific experimental

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setup using atomic clocks
sensitive enough to test the

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idea.
If confirmed, the implications

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for how we understand reality
itself are substantial.

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Moving on, this one came out
this morning.

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Researchers using a new single
cell DNA sequencing method for

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running a routine experiment
when they discovered a

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microscopic pond Organism
carrying genetic code that

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doesn't follow the near
universal rules of DNA from

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bacteria to blue whales to
humans, which uses essentially

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the same genetic rulebook, the
same codons, the same stop

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signals, the same fundamental
language.

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This Organism doesn't.
The researchers described the

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discovery as accidental.
They weren't looking for this.

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The Organism was sitting in a
pond quietly running a different

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operating system than every
other form of life we've ever

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studied.
Research is ongoing and

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implications are still being
worked out.

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But the headline, all the
headlines.

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Real life on Earth may have more
variation in its fundamental

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code than we thought.
And a 13 year old boy walking

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through a field and Berlin's
Spandau district found a small

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bronze coin that turned out to
be be the first ancient Greek

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artifact ever discovered in the
city.

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Minted in Troy between 281 and
261 BCE, more than 2300 years

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ago, it depicts Athena on both
sides.

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Archaeologists believe it was
placed as a burial gift at what

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may be an early Iron Age grave
site.

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The mystery is how it got there
at all.

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Greeks of that era called
Germanic tribes Barbarians and

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left no written records of
contact with them.

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Nobody knows whether it was
carried by a traveler, A

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mercenary or a traitor, or
whether it changed hands a dozen

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times before ending up in a
field outside Berlin where a

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teenager found it with a metal
detector on an otherwise

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ordinary afternoon.
All right, I know this one's

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going quick, travelers, but got
to do what we got to do on these

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solo days.
So we're going to head right

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into briefing one.
Please, if you have questions

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that I'm not discussing the
answer to, leave a comment on

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Just let me know and I'll do my
best to answer for you.

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I know you guys are used to
conversations I appreciate just

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still hanging with me today.
All right, the first breathing.

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On April 29th, the FBI and the
US Attorney for Massachusetts

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formally concluded their
investigation into the murder of

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MIT plasma physicist Nuno
Lauriero.

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He was shot at his Brookline
home in December 2025 by Claudio

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Manuel Nevez Valente, a 48 year
old Portuguese national who had

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also killed two people at Brown
University 2 days earlier.

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After 260 plus interviews and
five months of investigation,

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the conclusion is Valente acted
entirely alone, no Nexus to

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terrorism motivated by personal
grievance, and Brown represented

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the program that expelled him.
Lauriero represented a former

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classmate who suppressed him.
He recorded confessional videos

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after the attacks with no
remorse and no clear

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articulation of why beyond a
sense of failure and blame.

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Case seems to be closed on this
one, Louise.

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That closure matters in two
directions.

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It definitively removes one of
the list most prominent cases

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from the pattern.
The director of MIT's Fusion

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Research Center was not targeted
because of what he knew about

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classified programs.
He was targeted because of who

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he went to school with 30 years
ago.

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That is the documented answer,
but it does nothing to explain

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the remaining cases.
Mccaslin has been missing since

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February 27th.
Chavez and Casillas vanished

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from Los Alamos 53 days apart,
under nearly identical

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circumstances.
Garcia disappeared from the

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Kansas City National Security
Campus in August of 2025.

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Monica Reza never came back from
a hike in June 2025.

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Amy Eskridge died in 2022 with
no public investigative record

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ever released, and authorities
began reviewing her case in

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April.
All open, all still unexplained.

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Now Wikipedia has an article
titled Missing Scientists

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Conspiracy theory.
The FBI is still investigating.

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House Oversight is still
investigating.

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The April 27th briefings produce
no public update.

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Some cases are resolving with
conventional explanations.

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The ones that aren't resolving
are still the hardest to

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explain.
Now, I want to be careful here,

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because I've been covering the
story for months now, and I feel

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the pole of the pattern the same
way everyone else does.

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The Lauriero closure is
important.

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It's a reminder that the most
satisfying explanation isn't

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always the most dramatic. 1A man
with a personal grudge, A

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tragedy with a mundane 'cause
that's real and it matters.

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But I also can't explain why two
people vanished from Los Alamos

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in the same summer under the
same circumstances.

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And until I can, I'm not going
to close the book on the story.

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And we'll keep reporting on it
is what it is briefing to.

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This one is exactly in the IRH
lane.

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On April 27th, a study published
in Frontiers and Behavioral

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Neuroscience out of McEwen
University presented tightly

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controlled experimental evidence
that sound frequencies below the

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threshold of human hearing can
alter mood, raise stress

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hormones, and produce exactly
the kind of free floating unease

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that people report in allegedly
haunted locations without the

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people involved having any
awareness that anything is

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affecting them. 36 participants
were placed in a room with

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either calming or unsettling
audio.

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Half of each group were
simultaneously exposed to 18

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Hertz infrasound just below the
lower boundary of human hearing.

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Nobody detected it, but saliva
samples showed measurably

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elevated cortisol in those
exposed, and they reported

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feeling more irritable and
describe the music as sadder.

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The lead researcher, Professor
Rodney Schmaltz, framed it

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directly.
Quote consider visiting a

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supposedly haunted building.
Your mood shifts, you feel

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agitated, but you can't see or
hear anything unusual in an old

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building.
Infrasound is present

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particularly in basements where
aging pipes and ventilation

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systems produce low frequency
vibrations.

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If you were told the building
was haunted, you might attribute

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that agitation to something
supernatural.

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Now, I've been in buildings that
felt wrong.

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I think most people have, and
I've always been genuinely

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uncertain whether that feeling
is memory, suggestion,

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architecture, or something else.
This study doesn't answer all of

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that, but it answers some of it.
And the answer is, your pipes

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actually might be haunting you.
There's something both deflating

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and fascinating about that.
But let's connect this to a case

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from 1998 that's been part of
the paranormal research

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conversation ever since.
Engineer Victoria Tandy was

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working alone late at night in a
reportedly haunted medical

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laboratory in Coventry, England.
He felt intensely anxious, cold

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and watched.
He saw a Gray shape moving at

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the edge of his peripheral
vision.

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When he turned to look, it was
gone.

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The next day, he noticed the
metal rod clamped to his

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workbench was vibrating,
operating at its resonant

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frequency.
He traced the source to a new

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extractor fan, generating a
standing wave of 18.98 Hertz,

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just under 19 Hertz, with its
node sitting exactly at his

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workstation.
He went on to find the same

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frequency at several of the
reportedly haunted locations and

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publishes findings in a paper he
called The Ghost in the Machine.

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The McEwan study is the best
controlled evidence yet that

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Tandy was right.
The sample size of 36 is small,

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and suggestibility is difficult
to fully isolate, but the

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consistent finding is that the
body responds to frequencies it

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cannot consciously hear, and
that the response maps onto the

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phenomenology of haunting,
unexplained dread, peripheral

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visual disturbances, the sense
of presence.

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It doesn't explain everything,
but it explains something.

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Now, Victoria Tandy is one of my
favorite stories in this whole

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space.
An engineer in a haunted lab who

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traced a ghost to a fam.
That's the IRH story in one

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sentence.
The weird thing turns out to be

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real, and the explanation turns
out to be weirder than you

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expected.
Just not the same brand of weird

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infrasound from an extractor fan
roducing a standard wave that

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made a man see a ghost.
The world is strange all the way

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down.
All right, we're making the

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record time.
We're going to have this done

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probably within 30 minutes.
It's going to be pretty quick

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one for you because we're
heading right into the deep

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dive.
And I want to be careful to do

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this one right because there's a
lot of noise around the story,

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and I think IRH owes its
audience something more precise

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than noise.
Let me lay out what is actually

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documented this week in
sequence, and then I'll tell you

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what I make of it.
On April 29th, Congresswoman

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Anna Paulina Luna, chair of the
House Oversight Task Force on

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the Declassification of Federal
Secrets, the person leading the

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congressional charge on the 46
classified UAP videos, went on

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the New York Post's Pod Force
One podcast and said this quote.

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I have seen evidence in a skiff
that leads me to believe there

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are things we cannot explain.
I observed things that are of

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non human origin and creation.
That's my opinion, she said.

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She referenced missile
deflecting objects in a pyramid

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shaped craft.
She said she prefers the term

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interdimensional beings over
aliens.

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She said, quote, when it's
declassified, I will have a

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press conference and I'll show
you exactly what we saw.

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On the same day, Trump confirmed
the administration plans to

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release UAP material through a
centralized digital platform,

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the clearest signal yet that
alien.gov is the intended

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portal.
On May 5th, FBI Director Cash

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Patel went on Sean Hannity's
podcast and said the FBI has

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already delivered its first
tranche of UAP documents to the

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Pentagon LED interagency
committee.

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His exact words, quote, we've
already delivered our first wave

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of information to that committee
and they're going to be publicly

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releasing the information very
soon.

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We are all for it.
There is nothing in the subject

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that we don't want released.
The same day, David Grush, the

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former Air Force intelligence
officer who's 2023 congressional

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testimony transformed the public
UAP conversation.

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Now an official advisor to
Congressman Burleson, said he

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has confidence that disclosure
will reach a tipping point

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within 60 to 90 days.
He warned that forces inside the

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government are still actively
working to suppress files before

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release.
And he made a distinction.

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I think is being underreported.
The most significant material,

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he said, is not videos.
It's what he calls empirical

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holdings, physical evidence,
materials, things that can be

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independently verified.
And then almost immediately,

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former HERO director Sean
Kirkpatrick went public to

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temper expectations.
He told PBS not to expect photos

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of alien beings being
interviewed.

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He said the files are likely to
contain unresolved sensor data

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radar.
Returns pilot reports the kind

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of inconclusive material Arrow
has been producing for years.

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PBS also ran an analysis, noting
that Trump has a documented

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pattern of hyping record
releases that produce little.

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The JFK files are the template
executive directive.

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Public fanfare, coordinated
rollout, underwhelming delivery.

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We still don't really know a
full story.

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Yes, we know more, but we don't
know it all.

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OK, here's what I actually think
sitting with all this, right?

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Luna's statement is the most
significant of the week and it's

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getting less attention than
Patel's.

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She's not a fringe figure
speculating on the podcast.

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She's the chair of the task
force for the authority to

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demand these files.
She went into a skiff and came

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out saying she saw things she
believes are non human origin.

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She said it publicly on the
record.

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That is a first.
A sitting congresswoman with

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direct, classified access making
that statement specifically

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about what she personally
observed is something that would

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have been unthinkable five years
ago.

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And then there's Grush's
framing, which I keep coming

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back to.
He's not saying the videos are

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the story.
He's saying the physical

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materials are the story.
And if that's true, then the

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entire public conversation, the
46 videos, the deadlines, the

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Patel announcement may be
focused on the wrong thing

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entirely.
If what Grush is pointing at is

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real, the question isn't what
does the footage show.

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The question is, what do the
materials consist of, Where are

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they, and who controls them?
The question has never had a

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formal congressional deadline
attached to it.

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Nobody has demanded a specific
physical inventory with a

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specific date.
I also want to hold

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Kirkpatrick's caveat seriously,
because he's, in some camps,

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earned that.
I wouldn't necessarily say that

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he's earned it, but I got to
give you both sides of the story

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here, right?
He ran Arrow.

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He spent years looking at his
data.

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His position is that most of
what's in those files is

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genuinely unresolved because the
data is weak, not because what

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the data shows is extraordinary.
That's a reasonable thing for a

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person in his position to
believe, and I'm not going to

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dismiss it.
But I also noticed that the data

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is weak and the data shows
something we cannot explain are

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not mutually exclusive.
Weak data with an unexplained

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origin is still unexplained.
The honest IRH framework for

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what comes next is this.
The interagency process is real

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and has presidential authority.
Files have been assembled and

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delivered to the committee.
A congresswoman with skiff

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access says she has seen things
of non human origin.

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The FBI director says release is
imminent.

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A credentialed whistleblower
says 60 to 90 days and warns of

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active suppression.
A former Arrow director says

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manage your expectations and the
administration that ordered this

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has a track record of over
promising records being

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released.
All of those things are true

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simultaneously.
What comes out when very soon

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arrives will tell us which of
those things mattered more.

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And this show will be here to
tell you what it was.

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Of course, whatever happens, X,
I'm grateful to be covering this

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moment.
I've been doing this show

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through all of it.
From the count of five

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scientists to 11, from the
February executive order to

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Patel saying the files are
delivered, from alien.gov going

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dark, to Luna saying she'll hold
a press conference when it's

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declassified.
I don't know what comes next,

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but I know it's worth watching
and I know we'll be watching it

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together.
I know that was a quick one,

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everybody.
But that's it for tonight's solo

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episode in the quick hits, the
MV Hondios stranded in the South

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Atlantic with 150 people aboard,
3 dead from the Andes Antivirus.

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The Canary Islands refusing to
dock them while The Who or the

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World Health Organization says
Spain has a moral obligation.

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The Franklin Expeditions dead
still coming home.

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Harry Pegler identified after
166 years of uncertainty, Blood

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vessels preserved inside T Rex
bones from 66,000,000 years ago.

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Voyager 1 powering down an
instrument survive at the edge

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of interstellar space.
Quantum teleportation through

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270 meters of open air between
two independent devices.

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A ton of clocks that may be able
to test whether time itself

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exists in quantum superposition.
A pond Organism found today with

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a genetic code that doesn't
follow the rules of life in a

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2300 year old Greek coin from
Troy found in a Berlin field by

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a 13 year old.
The first Greek antiquity ever

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found in the city with no
explanation for how it got there

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and briefing 1.
The Lauriero case is closed.

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Personal grievance.
No connection to classified

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programs.
The case that closes is the one

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that always had the clearest
human explanation.

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The cases that remain open.
Mccaslin, Chavez, Cassius,

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Garcia, Reza and Eskridge are
still the ones without answers

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and in briefing to the Science
of Haunted Buildings, 18 Hertz

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00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,160
infrasound below.
Human hearing measurably alters

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cortisol and mood in people who
can't detect it.

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Victoria Tandy traced a ghost to
a standing wave from an

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extractor fan in 1998.
The new McEwen University study

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is the best controlled evidence
yet that he was right.

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It doesn't explain everything,
but it explains some and in the

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deep dive I try to lay out what
we actually know right now about

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the UAP file releases.
Luna saying she personally

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observed things of non human
origin inside a skiff.

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Patel saying the files are
delivered and coming very soon.

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Grush saying 60 to 90 days and
pointing at physical materials

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as a real story.
Kirkpatrick saying don't get

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your hopes up and the honest
framework.

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All of those things are
simultaneously true, and what

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comes out when very soon arrives
will tell us which one mattered.

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now, came out May 4th on Amazon.
Search Jeremy Socha or UF

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Elmwood or just click the link
in the description.

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And Elmwood UFO Days is the last
full week in the July.

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Watch our socials for details.
We're back next week.

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Hopefully the whole crew will be
recording on our typical night.

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Whatever very soon means should
be clear by then.

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Who knows?
Whatever it is, we'll be

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reporting on it.
Until then, keep your eyes open,

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keep asking questions, and
remember the truth is out there.

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You just got to know where to
look.

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I'm Jeremy Socha and we'll see
you in the next fork in the path

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of the Infinite Rabbit hole.
Goodbye, travelers, and have a

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good night.
Hey everybody, thanks for

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checking out the Infinite Rabbit
Hole podcast.

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If you're looking for more of
our stuff, head on over to

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infiniterabbithole.com where you
can find links to all the

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podcast players that we are
available on and even our video

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platforms such as TikTok and
YouTube.

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While you're there, make sure to
check out all the links for our

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socials and hit that follow so
you know when all the new stuff

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from our podcast comes out.
And until next time, travelers,

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we'll see you right here in the
next fork in the path of the

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Infinite Rabbit hole.
Bye.