186. A Haunted Discussion w/ Alison of the REP Paranormal Team

0:02 Imagine that this line represents a time in the present 1985 Future Past. Prior to this point in time, somewhere in the past, the timeline skewed into this tangent, creating an alternate 1985 alternate to You need an Einstein from reality for everyone else. Welcome back to the Infinite Rabbit Hole podcast. I'm your host Jeremy, and today we're going to sit down and talk to a special guest. But before we do that, we're going to go ahead and bring in the Co hosts of the show, Jacob.

0:48 Yes, Sir. We had ourselves some good food last night, man. Dude, we did. So Jeremy and I and his kids did fajitas on their fire pit outside. So that was cool, real primal sort of experience. The kids were super bored. It was awesome. They're like, I want to play video games. And we're like, no, it's just, it was rad, dude. I I'm so stoked. I'm so excited. Tomorrow is the opening day of squirrel season here in Wisconsin and I've got Ava appointment and then I'm going to go out and get me some tree rats. I can't wait. I already, I already got all the stuff for squirrel Stew. I told Whitney I was just like, you're going to eat this with me, right? And she's like, you're going to Stew it? And I was like, yeah, she's like, OK, I'll eat it. She's like, she's like, your rabbit Stew is great. So I'm sure the squirrel Stew would be good too. So excited for that.

1:40 Yeah, me and Jeremy, the the wives were out in Duluth, MN all weekend and they did like a Oktoberfest sort of thing out there. So it was just me and Jeremy and the kids kicking it. So we did, he called it hobos. Basically anything in the fridge, you just throw it in a tinfoil and wrap it up, throw it on the fire. So it came out really good. And then we did, we did the fajitas and stuff. So yeah, it was, it was a really good weekend. And then for me. Candy bars. Everything. You know all that stuff we did s'mores. So the kids love that freaking Oh my gosh. Jace, his oldest son, right? Jace, 10, he gets three pieces of fajita meat. This like flank steak that's all sliced up. He gets 3 pieces of that and like a maybe a single piece of bell pepper, wraps it in a tortilla and he eats half of it and throws the rest in the trash. He's like, I'm saving room for the s'mores. Just like, Oh my gosh, there's no nutrients going into this child.

2:38 It's crazy. But no, it was, it was a great time we had. We had a good time for sure. Great stuff. Open fire fajitas. Phenomenal those jalapenos came back with. Oh, my gosh, yeah. You know, it's great. You, you put the jalapenos on their whole, you know, get a nice char on all the sides, slice them up, and like, all the heat's gone, right? So you you get this, this, you get lulled into this false sense of like, everything's good. And then the next day happens and it just destroys cats, just annihilates you. Oops. All right, all right, let's, let's move on.

3:18 Let's move on to the guy that will match Jake's enthusiasm step for step. Jeffrey, what's up, man? My stomach actually hurts right now. And no, I was not at the BBQ. I live over 1000 miles away. But no, I'm I'm good man. I'm here. Terrible excuse. Here with this was it, tummy Wick. You're an awful person. I'm. Courage. It's all that raw cookie dough you eat I. Shouldn't have. I didn't have any cookie dough this time. I wish I did. That'd probably make my tummy feel better. All right, well, he, he he didn't match Jake. 'S yeah, that's enough out of you. Shut up now. Sorry. All right, let's get on to the guest today investigating since 2013. She's the Co founder of the Rep Paranormal team, Rep Paranormal and Friends podcast and the co-owner of the Paranormal Buzz Radio radio network.

4:11 It is my pleasure to introduce you all to Allison tonight. Welcome to the infinite rabbit hole, Allison. Thanks for having me, guys. Welcome. It's a pleasure. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So I was on her her podcast a little while ago before we did the whole Elmwood and UFO Days thing in July. Had a good time. We talked, we had some good conversation there. Check it out. It's a good episode. But I wanted to reach out to you and invite you on the show because I want to talk a little bit about what you do and you know your specialties and your background and and you know, I'm going to be honest with you for a rabbit hole podcast don't cover the paranormal very much when it comes to like spirits and ghosts and stuff like that. So we're.

5:04 Squares. Terrible people. So, Allison, can you give us a little bit of a, a background about you and what you do? Yeah, sure. So I am a paranormal investigator. I've been doing it since 2013. Kind of started off when I was younger. My mom said that I was always scared. I always saw like a shadow figure near my bed. And she's like, you know, you're little, you don't, you know, whatever. But you know, sometimes I would start laughing or crying or literally having a full on conversation with somebody. Sometimes it sounded like I was talking in tongue, whatever. As I got older, I kind of noticed it a little bit more, but I just kind of shrugged it off.

5:51 And then we were playing, I played slow pitch softball, got together with some girls, you know, we've been drinking and stuff and we're like, hey, have you heard of that Velisca Axe murder house? I'm like, yeah, like we should go like, absolutely, let's go there. So we, we got some really cheap recorders. I had a really old camcorder, which I still use because it works great. It's a night vision cassette tape 1, and we went there with no expectations, not knowing what we were doing, and we've been doing it ever since. I mean, we did get some Evps there, which was kind of, you know, interesting. Got some names on there which were like, OK, not sure what that was from.

6:34 And so we've been doing it ever since. Like we just started going out of state a couple years ago. So we haven't really been a whole lot of places out of Iowa, but, you know, we're just going to kind of figure out these things. We like to kind of debunk a lot of stuff. You know, sometimes we're like, OK, are these people like just setting up things for stuff to happen? You know, when we're at a location just so they have people coming there, you know, to pay the money to go. We haven't found anything like that yet, but I'm sure we'll come upon it sometime or another. But you know, and besides doing the paranormal, we have a podcast that we do usually on Thursday nights, 87 Central, we cover paranormal, we do near death experiences. We have a lot of authors on anything and everything that people want to talk about.

7:23 So yeah, it's. Kind of good stuff. Yeah, yeah, we we go quite a few places. How many investigations would you say you've done? Give me a rough, rough ballpark. Maybe 50 or 60, maybe more. What's the best one you did? Oh. Well. Oh, that's so hard. Oh my God, that's so hard because we have a place that's like our home away from home. But we had a place this year, that 1858 Garnett House Hotel. That place was insane. I didn't go in with any expectations, guys like, oh, I can't be there to let you in. I left the key there.

8:04 I have to be at our other location. So I'm like, OK, cool. We have no history on the place. You know, whatever, we're just going to roll with it. There's only three of us and we had dolls flying off at us, balls coming out there was walking. I've got walking up stairs. It it was intense. One of the gals is like, I'm ready to go get us a place at the Ramada Inn. And I'm like, no, we paid for this. We are staying here. Suck it up. Like we are staying here. I literally probably slept 40 minutes the whole night like it was it was insane. And I we couldn't figure out how these things were doing that. I mean, I didn't see any strings or anything like that, you know, I don't know it it was bizarre.

8:48 I asked one. I said I triple dog dare you to fall in Leslie's head. Probably maybe 10-15 minutes later it fell on her head. I don't know. Coincidence? I don't know. Yeah. Well, no one, even someone who died 1000 years ago. No one can stop a triple dog dare. You have to do it. It's the law. Exactly it is. It is the law. Afterlife. It's the law. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do they even know what that? Was or it taught us anything? Yeah, alright. You guys document these like these events, you guys bring cameras and stuff like that with you. We do bring cameras a lot of times. Kim actually has ADVR system with eight cameras, but we didn't take it to this location.

9:34 A lot of it was just on her Facebook Live. I tried to roll my camcorder, but it kept telling me there was an error. I tried a new SD card. I everything would not work there at all. I finally did get it to work in the morning, but it was weird because it said it wasn't working. But I went back and there was actual video on it. So I, I, I don't know. But yeah, we try to document all this stuff and we write it all down. So if we go back to that place, we can kind of see if we can recreate that or if we get some of the. Same. Yeah. And get some of the same responses or if we can add on to those responses. So yeah, it's a lot of documenting. So what? What part of the country are you out of?

10:15 We're actually from Iowa. I'm from the US, Iowa Marshalltown. Corn. Nothing but corn around here. Yeah. You're not. You're not far from Jake and Iowa. We're northwestern Wisconsin. That's what I thought. Yeah, a lot of corn. Tons of tons of corn, right? Yeah, me and my me and my wife actually drove into Iowa a month ago to go pick up our puppy. And the gas station we stopped at, they had a huge sign for this sweet corn festival. And there's people walking around with like those super graphic teas and it was just corn kernels and stuff. Where did we fall into?

10:59 I love this place. Yeah, there's absolutely nothing to do here. It's awesome. Other than investigate. Yeah, yeah. Well, you guys have a lot of history there for sure. I mean, yeah, there. I mean, I'm sure there is. Do I keep up with it in our town? No, I don't like there is absolutely nothing here. We don't even have a mall anything like. That sucks. Terrible. Whitney, my wife wants to know if you do any Bunny bopping. No, can't say that I do any Bunny bopping. What's Bunny bopping? When she was growing up in Idaho, they would spotlight Jack rabbits and go and smash them with with. That's what she did in the middle of nowhere Idaho. I suppose so, she said.

11:52 Maybe, I mean. Stuff around here. Bunny Bobbin. But Bunny Bobbin, my mom just said like cow tipping. Like cow tipping, I said. Cow tipping. Yeah, that's awesome. Oh man. Are you anywhere near Vent? Are you anywhere near Van Meter? Actually, that is over, yes, I'm about an hour and a half from there from the meter I have been to Van Meter. I did go to that festival, which was interesting. That's. Going to be a cool festival. It was actually not too bad. I mean, it's it's not like a huge festival, but like did add some unique speakers and then they take you on like a walking tour of where the van meter creature thing supposedly was or whatever. It's interesting.

12:46 We should do it, Jeremy. We should I was just going to say that we should make a trip down to Van Meter and and go to that festival. That sounds like a blast. That's one of my all time favorite stories is the Van Meter visitor. We covered with Jake about a year, year and a half ago and there was actually just a new book written about it. Jeez. What was his name? I can't think of the author's name, but he I have. Oh, Chad Lewis. Oh. Yeah, yeah, Chad, Yeah, I've seen him talk before. Yeah, he's cool back. Yeah, he, he just him, Noah Voss and one other person, I can't remember, the other author just dropped a new book on the Van Meter visitor. And I mean, eventually I, like I said in the episode, I'll, I'll be able to do a number 2 now.

13:34 I definitely will. Because Chad's really good at, at digging really deep for some of the stuff that other people aren't going to find. So, you know, love, love, love Chad. But so, so you investigate a lot of it's, it's, it's tough to say because in, in the community, we have a lot of people who call or use the word paranormal as an umbrella term for anything unknown, right? And then you have people that are that are really hardcore into saying that paranormal is strictly spirits, ghosts and the lot like that. Others will. Say and and. Demons. Oh, don't even go there. Don't even go there.

14:17 And it's not in my vocabulary. So and then some people will use the, you know, the word supernatural where paranormal would just mean everything under the umbrella like aliens, Bigfoot, cryptids, you know, everything and anything. So excuse, excuse me if if I'm not using, you know, the the preferred term. But like I, like I said, we don't, we don't cover the spirits too much here, but. Yeah. Is there anything outside of spirits, ghosts, and demons that that you guys look into? You know, I personally want to really look into like Bigfoot and things like that. Like I'm, I, you know, I just kind of want to see for myself. I want to go out there and and into a wooded area and see if there's anything like that.

15:05 Now, if I could get the rest of my team to do that, I highly doubt it. Do I want to traipse through the forest by myself? I don't know about that if I want to go into a wooded area by myself, but I might. But that's something I'm interested in doing. It's terrifying. Let's go. Let's. Do it. Mind lovingly scary? Let's go do it. It's fun. It would be fun. I think it would be fun. You never know what you can run. Into you don't hit a run into a Bigfoot, instead you get mauled to death by like a cougar or something. I mean, like, yeah. Yeah, that could be fun. You know, that could be fun. You never know. You know, I'm in, I'm really big into like I, I've always had a thing about UFOs and things like that when I was younger.

15:49 However, you know, nowadays I'm like looking up there, you know, people see all these things and I'm like, are they just seeing satellites? There's so many stinking satellites up there. Like how do you even know, you know, you know what I mean? Like. Yeah. I don't know. It's kind of sucks with all those up there because you can't really tell anything anymore and you never know. Just like the paranormal, you don't know. Like you have to be, you have to debunk everything. You never know. You can't say it's really paranormal or not. That's my thought anyways. Jake, are you not going to ask her about the hipster ghosts? I was, I was going to get to I was going to let it happen. All right. So who do we have on the last time that I was talking to about that?

16:31 Skeeter. Skeeter OK, yeah, so here's where I have the big issue. So my mom will tell you she Christian woman, I'm a Christian guy, but she grew up in a house in England. She was a military brat, Dad was in the Air Force. And this place, if it wasn't haunted, it was filled with demonic activity, like she was getting pushed down the stairs. The, the stove would turn on, you know, all that sort of stuff. You know, towels get thrown on the stove that's turned on type stuff, like all the sorts of craziness. One day grandpa comes home from work, grandma's home with the kids. And you know, she's like, it was a really rough day. And so he yells out into this house, if you don't stop this, I'm going to burn this house to the ground. And everything stopped until the point where they actually, like, left there 'cause grandpa got reassigned back to the States. Mm, hmm.

17:33 Mm, hmm. So basically the story was the lady went crazy, drowned her kids in the tub, and then hung herself off of the banister. Right? Like really hardcore stuff. So years later, grandma and grandpa go back to England on like, you know, hey, we're retired now. We're going to go and visit some old places since they go back to the military base. It was actually base housing. And they find the exact same house. And grandma goes up to the the door, knocks and and the lady answers and say, hey, you know, we used to live here 30 years ago, all this, her stuff, whatever. And then she's like, is she still here? And the lady's face goes white and she's like, you know about her. So this place is like it's, it's, it's filled with demons or taunted, whatever it is, right. But up and down, left and right, you know, she doesn't believe in ghosts and neither do I.

18:22 And really, when it comes down to it, the main reason why I don't believe in ghosts, even though I've had plenty of experiences that would lead to the person believing ghosts, right? Being in the military, being on an old, old buildings that used to be like psych wards and things like that. Seeing some weird stuff, literally seeing light switches flip themselves when I'm like on watch, I'm like had to keep the lights on because if there's a fire, I can't have 300 people stumbling around the dark. So you know, they can't see the light from their bedrooms to the common area. So the light switches in the hallway have to be on. I'm literally like every time I get to the psych ward floor, all of the freaking lights are off and I'm flicking them all on and stuff like that. I'm sitting here. I'm, I'm going to sit here and wait and wait for the guy who's going to, who's playing a prank on me. They're going to reach out the door and flip off the light switch.

19:08 And I literally watch all the light switches drop by themselves. I was like, I'm out, goodbye, you know, type stuff. But. The problem? Is for me is that though I've experienced a lot of stuff and I've seen a lot of stuff when it comes down to people talking about the paranormal, you know, ghosts, right, or spirits left behind, unfinished business, that sort of stuff. Whatever it is, they always have some sort of, you know, 18th century, 17th century, 16th century, horrible murder, this, that and the other. It's never the hipster that was walking across the street dropped his vape, turned around and picked it up and got hit by a bus, right? It's never that guy.

19:52 And and I brought it up to Skeeters attention. I was like, statistically speaking, 400,000 people die worldwide every single day from and it's not people dying. You know, some people it's like in the hospital surrounded by their loved ones. It's, you know, sudden heart attacks. It's car accidents, it's plane accidents. You know, I'm a gun guy, but I hate to say it, it's gun violence, right? It's. Terrible. Horrible things. The Civil War was awful. The Revolutionary War was awful. There's, you know, genocides going on across the pond right now in Africa all the freaking time. If there was ghosts because of traumatic events, we would be bumping into them, like rocking through sand at the beach. They'd be crazy, right?

20:37 So the thing I brought up, it was just like, well, I have a hard time believing in ghosts because it's always some like, oh, this one axe murder from way back when. Instead of like, yeah, the hipster or like those guys that you see on YouTube that are free climbing skyscrapers and then just fall off, you know, just like, and that's it. But it's just like you don't see them. You know, people aren't reporting seeing some like phantom figure climbing up a skyscraper, right? So. But. But then again, we haven't really talked to, besides our old boss from the paranormal network, we haven't really talked to a lot of paranormal investigators. So can you lend any insight into that?

21:18 Like, have you seen any of that stuff where it's it's maybe not so crazy or so old where it's just like, yeah, I mean, it's pretty casual, but hey, this place is haunted. No, I can't actually say. I mean I haven't actually seen an actual full body apparition or anything like that. I've seen a face of an older woman, but I couldn't tell what period she was from. She was just an older woman. Now, can I say that maybe I have had connection with my grandpa who passed away just right before COVID got some very interesting things from his home. I mean, I asked him his granddaughters names. He gave me Kenzie Cloy, which those are his grandkids names.

21:59 And and I asked him who the baby was on the wall and he said me William, that's his name. But you know, that's about it. I haven't actually seen like an actual spirit or anything like that, that I can say that, you know, I haven't had that experience yet. And I when I want to absolutely. But you know, a lot of people there was like it's a white flowing gown and or it's a man with a tall black top hat or, you know, it's the same freaking ghost. I'm like, I don't know, I don't know about that. Like it gets me wondering too, because, you know, why? Why would spirits now not be around? But spirits from eons ago would be, I don't know what people just are just saying that's what they're seeing at these places because these places that they're going to are from like the 1800s. So they're like, oh, I'm going to see a ghost that's wearing, you know, clothes that hatch that time period, you know, And that could be a thing too, could be influencing what they're seeing.

22:56 I don't know. In the last episode with Skeeter, I had brought up the the possibility I, I have no idea. I'm going to be honest with you that I'm, I'm lacking in my research on on ghosts and whatnot. That's OK, But I brought up the idea that there could be a potential time frame buffer, if you will, right. You got, you got to wait a certain amount of time before a spirit does appear. It it may not be an instantaneous thing. And that's why we see all of the older it's, it's the waiting. Room in in. Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. Yeah, wait for a number of years before you eat so. But like, like we were saying, you know, maybe wait 80 years and then it it will be nothing but hipsters, it could. Be.

23:41 Yeah. That could be. That could be a possibility, honestly, because in those places they're going to say are haunted from those eras or whatever time periods, and then that's what they're going to see. I wonder if that can just be influenced from the chat. Willowen says for Allison, Do you have a specific experience that makes you truly believe in ghosts? I don't know. Guess it'd probably be the getting the feedback, huh? But real quick, before that, for those who died said, where did shadow ban go? That's a great question. Where did he go? Oh, he's. Jeff stuff, he's garbage anyway, That's why he says this. This falls off the nap. You know he's he's.

24:25 Pooping boys. Got sorry dude, I'm sorry. My stomach hurt, I had to jump away. I'm dying. I'm dying. Jeremy, you need to leave right now and go for a lottery right now. So that back to Bowen's question, was there was there one event that that sticks out as like, hey, this, this convinces me I I can't. Say that I really have I mean I've had things that have happened that I can't explain, but does it make me be like, Oh my God, there's spirits everywhere like that's totally legit thing. No, I don't.

25:05 I can't say that that I have had an actual experience yet that really makes me think that there's actually spirits around. I'm still trying to get that proof, that information, just to verify, you know, I don't know why we get some of the experiences that we have or the Evps or anything like that. I I can't explain it, but doesn't make me think that there's some spirit there. No, not really. I guess that's. What separates you from being a researcher versus an expert? You know I. Don't. I don't say there's an expert. Into this sort of a thing, right? Yeah, I'm going. To say I'm ever an expert, I don't think you could ever be. An expert to zoology or paranormal or UFO or or anything like that, because all that stuff is still unless it's like I'm an expert in dogs because dogs exist and I have dogs and I train dogs, you know, things like that, right? That would be fair.

25:59 But you're an expert. Anything that we cover, you know, you cover, we cover here on the infant rabbit hole would just be a lie because we're all just investigating because it's like we don't know, you know, we. Won't still were. There honestly like that's the way it is right? We either won't know until we see a Bigfoot face to face and find out if it can mind speak or not right or whatever. We won't. Know about the afterlife until we get there, and we won't know about, you know, UFOs unless we get sucked up into a freaking UFO and probed in the butt and then we'll be like, I got a pretty. Good. Idea, you know? Yeah.

26:41 I have proof. Yeah. All right. So, I mean, could you imagine, though, like 100 years from now, investigators or researchers are looking at all these hipster ghosts, and they're like, ghosts aren't real, dude. Why is it never a Victorian person You know from like 203 hundred, 400 years? Like a coffee, it's it's always. These hips or douche bags from a. 100 years ago, yeah. Oh man, where's? My bait, bro. Come on bro, where's my bait? Can we squeeze some juice from you bro? Yeah. You ever heard of steampunk bro? Totally. Put some copper copper lugs on your hat. It'd be so steampunk, bro.

27:25 Now the next investigation I'm going to core. Are there any hipster ghosts here? Why are you drinking soda? You should be drinking tea, bro. Come on. Like, OK, please leave me alone. Please. Whatever I got to do to make you pass on, leave me alone. Daddy likes. His Pepsi. All right, Daddy. Here All right so one of the few things Jake and I do agree with is I I don't think there's really any experts in this field You have a lot of people that claim to be experts, right yeah we're all researchers because nobody has the solid evidence to prove any of this because then it would be proven right right but we can speculate what do you think all of this is when it comes to ghosts and spirits and such I I.

28:20 Honestly don't know, that's what I'm still trying to figure out. Like, I mean, I'm sure there's some science or like our mind, like we're, you know, sometimes I feel like we can be influenced by a location too. Like sometimes maybe we're just, we're there and we kind of, oh, what's the word I'm looking for? I can't think. But like sometimes I think our mind can play tricks on us, like our influence us, like, oh, we're here. You know, people have had this happen or this and that. And so sometimes, you know, we might get into that factor where we're like, did I hear that? Oh, yeah. And then you say, oh, did you hear this? And then the next person's like, yeah, I heard that. What did you hear?

29:01 You know? And then you kind of, you know what I mean? So a lot of that happens, too. So you really got to just write everything down over there in the corner. He's like, I don't want to be the only one that didn't hear anything. So yeah, I heard it too, right? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, there's a lot of that going on too. I know that for sure. There was a hilarious SNL bit back when they're funny like 10 years ago that I was watching that was ripping on all the ghost hunter shows. And it was like all, all the lead cast members, but they're in this room and someone like tripped over something and they're like, did you hear that? And then all I got like, you know, they're all painted green because of the, because of the night vision on the, the old camcorders, right? Yeah.

29:46 And they're like, yeah, I did hear that. Oh, I heard that too. Oh, I heard that. And then one of them, like one of them had a infrared or sorry, a call like a heat sensitive camera. Is that infrared? No, whatever. But anyway, so they have like a flare. A flare thermal Cam. Yeah, one of the. Signatures. Yeah, one of the guys, he's so so he farts, right? And there's just this cloud, but and it comes, you know what you're talking about. The guy. In the face. And he's just like, he's like, I'm getting a strong smell of sulfur. And the guy's like, all right, you know, calm down. It's just like, you know, it's, it's not that big a deal. It's like, oh, I smell it too. Oh, it's sulfur. It's sulfur from hell or something like that. They're all freaking out.

30:26 He's like, Oh my God, I farted, all right? It's like this whole thing, they're just ripping on all these freaking, all these goats hunting shows and stuff. And it was like, gosh, it was, it was great. Yeah. Smells are hilarious and it's. Funny too, because we had a well, it's not funny, but we had a Co host on here. He's taking a break right now. But CJ and he was really big into the occult and. Through that. Process he got really big into the paranormal and ghosts and things like that and so he has all that equipment and so he's actually told me from time to time it's like bro, I will say the word I will ship you all of my equipment and you go out wherever you want to go.

31:10 Like right here in Menominee, Wisconsin, we have the what's that theater? The the Mabel. Tanner, Mabel. Tanner and it's supposed to be super haunted and stuff, but it's really old. I mean, I don't care about any of that. The architecture is beautiful on this gorgeous, right? Like you'd see an old cathedral in like England and just be like, you know, it's just amazing, right? And so, but he was like, it would be really fun for you as someone who's such a skeptic into all this to go in and set all this equipment up and just see what happens, right? Versus like relying on other people that are, you know, on the shows all over Discovery Channel or History Channel or whatever it is and just being like, all right, whatever, you know, oh, there's a loud noise. Like no one behind the camera just banged the cabinet real quick, right?

31:59 So it's like, it's interesting hearing you say that too, when right at the beginning of the questioning that you y'all went into that spot and you're like, yeah, we had the dolls flying off and all that stuff. And I didn't see any wires or anything. And you even said that you're like, you know, do these people just kind of put on a show just for entertainment and stuff, right? So that's that's cool to hear you say that. Yeah. Oh yeah, for sure. Because I mean, you have to kind of look into those things because some people, you know, I've seen it on the shows, you know, where they have gone in and people were just trying to get attention and get people there and be on a show, you know, to get attention to their bar or whatever.

32:42 So you never know if somebody's going to go in and try to fake this stuff. So then that way it gets out in the public and then, oh, hey, ATV show wants to come in and you know what I mean? And give them more publicity and then they Jack up the prices. Like you just, you just never, you never know. So that's why you've always got to just kind of check everything out, scope everything out, check for maintenance wires, anything, you know what I mean? Like you got you got to check that stuff out I. I screen shared for a minute and showed everybody the Mabel Tainter I was wondering. What was going on? Like what is going on with my screen right? Yeah, it's a, It's a, it's an. Absolutely beautiful place. I love that place. We yeah, that.

33:24 Looked really cool. Mm, hmm, yeah, it's. It's funny because around here, you know, when they, you know, somebody finds out about the show, they're always like, you should go investigate the Mabel Tainter. It's like, man, I don't know anything about that. Like I'd just go there, be like, hey, are are you here? Is it you? No, All right. Bye. But yeah, no, CJ, CJ has told us multiple times that he would send out his equipment. You know, I don't know, Maybe, maybe one day. Maybe one day if somebody wants to see that, it'd probably be hilarious. Oh yeah, it would be. Actually like healthy it goes face to face and tell him he's not real like I don't care all. Right Hefe Cool.

34:06 You got to say things, dude. Say things, say something. What do you want me to say? Man, I'm just not. Trying something, Another dimension, Something you say? Tell us how it's the government. Yeah, it's definitely. Not the government. The government is not smart enough to pull off of something like. All right, but. Yeah, it could be some multinational corporations doing some weird shit with some Project Looking Glass or some, some weird like, I don't know. I don't personally think it's ghosts because I kind of get the same vibe. Like why is it always ghosts from like certain eras, at least it seems.

34:46 And it's always like the same type of thing that these these hauntings are like there's a spot here in Florida that's like, I don't know, 30 minutes for me. And it's apparently like the most haunted place in Florida, Cassadaga. And like, I've been there a handful of times and it's just a couple of psychic readers and like a bar, some of those people. But. Yeah, it's like, I don't know it. I don't. It doesn't ever hit me even like in the movie. Maybe it's the movie's fault, to be honest, because like every time I watch like a ghost movie, I'm like, this is stupid. It's not scary. So maybe it's ruined it for me, but. Man, I watched the the newest paranormal activity and I see the the ghost is like jangling the pots and pans around at night.

35:31 I'm like first night I throw the husband through the second story window. Like get out of my house right? I'm like, I'm not playing with this stuff. Yeah, I don't know. I, I do think that there's like intersection and cross over between like dimensions and stuff. So I'm not saying that like phenomena isn't happening. I just don't necessarily think that it's like ghosts of other people in the past. It might be some other, you know, weird. Shit going on, I don't know, interdimensional? Interdimensional. Psychic vampires fucking around you. Know yeah, Alex Jones is right. Yeah, well. Allison, I don't know if you picked up on the concept of the show yet, but we have a tinfoil hat guy. We have a skeptic.

36:15 Oh yeah, of course. Myself, who just kind of likes to talk about it, so there. So there's a thing here. Yeah, that's good. That's all. Right. That's all right. I mean, I've had plenty of share of different kind of people on our show too. So it's all good, but. So I win, my mom says. I've had so many close encounters. So sorry Jeff is wrong. Well, again. I'm not saying like the phenomena is not happening, I just don't know if it's. Nope, you're wrong. It's Frank. From 1800 doing this, it's something else happened, yeah. You're wrong, Jeff. I think you're wrong. Mom's always. No, I guess so. That's right. Damn straight, she says.

36:57 I live in a haunted house, so yeah, there you go. Fuck it, Jeff, you don't know nothing. I went on one ghost hunting trip back when I lived in St. Petersburg, FL. We went to the Venoy Hotel and apparently they had done some ghost hunters episode or something of the sorts there too. And this, this guy was like you just you have to check it out. You have to check it out. It's creepy. Come with our crew. You know, you'll change your mind because honestly, you know, I, I'm, I'm always the guy that's like, man, you know, I don't necessarily believe in it, but you know, if you say you saw it, then I'll give you the time of day to, to talk and we'll discuss it.

37:44 Right, right. So same, same thing. Always been like that. And I was like, yeah, you know, you know, same thing. Not, not really a a big fan or, or like really know too much about the, the paranormal, but you know, convinced me. So let's go. Went there absolutely nothing happened, absolutely nothing happened and he and he was like, man, I don't know what's going on. They're they're usually like super, super busy and it's like, man, I don't I don't know, but it's it's a it was a nice hotel. It was really cool and they they were nice enough to let us go in there and kind of check out some of the, the, the areas that aren't really, you know, open to the public like the, you know, where the staff go and everything. But yeah, we didn't, we didn't see anything. Actually, I could probably screen share some pictures of annoy there's.

38:29 I mean, there's so many times that we've been on an investigation, we don't get anything. It's like just sitting there in the dark watching freaking darkness. The whole 812, whatever hours we do it, we don't get anything every time. Like or sometimes we might get something very small and we're like, that's nothing like they don't, you know, if you're having, there's not always going to be phenomenon or activity or anything like that. When you go to a location, there's just, it's just not like that. It's very random. And some people they say that they get it all the time. Do they really? I don't know. Or did they say that? So people will come to the location, you know, that's another thing, so. But like, I, I feel like somebody's got some sort of evidence out there or has some kind of hookup where they can take us and change our mind.

39:17 Or, you know, I, I don't think you could change Jake's mind. I think he's pretty much sat in his way. No, no matter what you show him, he's going to be like, yeah, demonic, but. Demonic but if if. Somebody, if somebody knows a hotspot and they're like, yeah, you will 100% have some sort of encounter and it'll get your mind thinking, I'm 100% down. I want to see it right? I want to see what everyone else is talking about. But check. Out that Garnett place, there's been a lot of weird stuff. I I had the previous owner on years ago, Rob Garcia. There's a new owner now, but even when he was taking care of the place, like some of the stuff was just like, what is going on?

40:05 I I don't know, we've only been there one time, so I can't really say, you know, we had stuff happen, but will it happen again if we go there? I couldn't tell you if it will or not. Malvern seems to be fairly decent, but that's that's we go there a lot so. Jake, Jake's mom said, you know she, she's talking about she's she agrees is demonic and that demonic isn't fake. I, I don't disagree with you. I don't, no, there's. Negative or had to each other. I've never. Had this experience. I should have. Taken you to the Wolf Manor back when we got first got started it was it was probably still up. So there's this place where I grew up in Fresno, CA called the Wolf Manor and it used to be a mansion and then it got turned into an insane asylum or not sorry not an insane asylum. It got turned into a like a, a home for the like a retirement home type thing, right?

41:06 But there was like 3 staff members to every hundred patients, right? And then eventually they just left and left like 300 elderly people inside of this house just starving to death, laying in their own feces. It's disgustingly horrible. It's awful. All of them died and then they came in, you know, like people were like trying to do welfare checks and finally a place came in and saw this sort of stuff. It was just absolutely atrocious. And there were so many lawsuits against this property that no one would would buy it. And I remember going to school when I was a kid and it literally said free Wolf Manor, like it was for free.

41:52 But if you took over the ownership of the home or the the mansion, you would also take on the $20 million lawsuit or whatever it was, right, For all the wonderful death suits and all that sort of stuff, right? So there's no way. And eventually someone bought it and they, excuse me, they turned it into a like a ghost tour type stuff because if anywhere's going to be haunted, it's going to be this place, right? And then eventually got torn down. And I think they put like a Walmart on top of it or something like that. Whatever they do, you know, because it's California, definitely there. My mom says it was a skilled nursing facility. Dad picked up a bunch of dead and dying patients there for years when he was a paramedic. He said it was the worst he'd ever seen. So that's my dad.

42:38 So, she said it's a costume now, so. Yeah, so. It's yeah. So they they demolished the building, but it was this like stain on the community for decades, right. And that would have been like the perfect place to go. I'm not saying it would change your mind or we would experience anything or whatever it is. But if I can think of one place that would be like, tremendously haunted or demonically influenced or oppressed or whatever it is, it would be that place. Right? Yeah. Oh, for. Sure. Yeah, my mom. Says the hair on the back of your neck stood up just driving by. It's pretty gross.

43:23 It's a haunted. Costco, Yeah. Indian burial ground under a Costco. Yeah, there you go. So I grew up in AI, grew up in the town in Middletown, CT. That's where I was born. And I, I was there until the, the summer between my sophomore and junior year of high school. And when I hit high school, there was this place that we used to always go to. It was called the Connecticut Valley Hospital or CVH for short. And this place was was shut down, abandoned way before, you know, I got there and let me tell you, the creepiness of this place was nuts.

44:05 I mean, we used to just go there and do stupid kid shit, right, right, Hide and go seek. I would never do any recreational drugs ever in my life. But if I did, I would go there, right. You know, kids go there to make out all the time It but it's it's super creepy. I actually, we went down there one time and we went into the basement and there is this huge cement slab down there and you know, this, this one kid, I'm not going to put his name out there. His name was Dane. He, he would tell me he would be like, you know, you know, how many people had lobotomies on this, this slab or how many peoples had autopsies And you can see the drains next to it and everything.

44:51 It's like, Dang, man, the amount of blood that went down this, but the Connecticut Valley Hospital was a mental institute and it, it, there was a lot of really, really creepy stuff. I actually pulled it up here for you guys. This same thing I've been doing with everything else, right? This this is what I used to go and hang out at some nights. It was super, super weird, right? Look at look at look at this Yeah. I mean, that's very cool. There was some some really, really weird stuff going on here. I never witness anything super strange myself, but the stories that come out of this, I wonder if it's still available to go check out because that would be something that I would go and do research at or do an investigation at.

45:39 I mean, this was for sure. Oh yeah, it was on. It. Was on Silver Street in Middletown, CT and we used to go there all the time. I mean, but this like, yeah, there there were holes in the floors and like, you know, easily could have died when nobody would have known easily. Fallen to do this, yeah. Especially, you know, in, in the, the shape I was in at the time, you know, 'cause I again, I've, I've never done any recreational drugs. But if I did, then it would have been it would have been really bad. Allegedly. Allegedly. Yeah, allegedly. But yeah, that's, that's one of the places that I personally would like to go back to investigate because I, I don't know, does every time that I've ever talked to anybody about hauntings or what not, it's always come up in my mind. And, you know, sometimes I bring it up and it's like, man, I just tell the story of that slab.

46:39 That slab is just terrifying. And there's this like 1 little basement window just like in any basement where you have like the the quarter size window like up at. The very top. By the ceiling, it just had one of those with like the moonlight shining in. It's just absolutely petrifying and creepy. And then you have this guy Dane sitting there telling you over and over again about how much blood that went down the drains and lobotomies that happened. And it's like, man, dude. Yeah, if. I did recreational drugs, this would be a great place to do it. My mom said from that story I told about her in England, she said we lived in the Martin Place in Hawkwold, England for two years.

47:28 I got, she said I got pushed down the stairs, locked in the house, furniture moved by itself, lights on and off. She said it's a daycare now. Oh my. Gosh. Oh. No, those kids are going to be screwed. One of my my. Skepticism too, right, is like there's so many places, like I've lived in a lot of places. I move almost every year. Every time the lease is up, I move. It seems like I've lived in a lot of places that were built in like, I don't know, the 50s, sixties. So you would imagine that I've at least lived in a couple of places where like some traumatic events may have happened. And yeah, like I've never seen it. You would just, I, I would think that there would be more of it. If there's a lot of old buildings, there's a lot of older houses that people live in every day, or there's daycares or Costco's in.

48:18 So. I. Think everybody. 'S going to be. Investigating in the next few. Years as a Costco. That's right. That's. Right sample. Where'd you get that free sample? Oh, from that? That booth over there. What booth? But Dang, some good stuff. And like. Being ostracized by like saying something, you know, like, oh, I saw, I could go, I saw something weird and you know, whatever. But it just seems like the the amount of it seems lesser than it should be if it's based off of like what you would think it is, right? Like traumatic events or somebody died here or like something like that, right?

48:59 But that's what, that's what leads me to believe that it, it's probably something different, right? I mean, Jeff and I probably align somewhat on this because I, I believe that if it is a, a real phenomenon that it probably has to do with something with bleeding dimensions or inner or right, you know, multiple planes of existence, you know, coming into contact with each other or something along the lines. And in between those planes of existing time kind of is, you know, weird. It doesn't, it's not linear like it or it doesn't. We can't see time linear through other worlds, you know, other parallel worlds. So we see it in that, that repetitive Groundhog Day pattern that a lot of people will report when it comes to ghosts and spirits, right? Because a lot of people will report that they, they see something and it's always a, it's at, it's 2:11 in the morning.

49:55 She's going to be coming down the stairs and here she comes, right. Right now, I'm not saying that's absolutely the case, but I, I, I definitely think that in my, in my mind, with the research that I've done, the things that I believe in, I, I think that that's more along the lines of my beliefs and in this whole thing. It's like the movie The Others where you're seeing all these things, but instead of them being the ghost, you're the ghost and they're the people that are moving into your house. That's a movie you should watch. I know you haven't watched it, but you should. I I haven't. Definitely haven't. Watched it either, I don't. I've never seen Star Trek. It's a good. Movie, Yeah. I'm not into Star Trek.

50:36 Yeah, I. Catch it for it all the time. Yeah, Star Trek and Obi Wan and and the ring, right? They get the ring, they get the ring and they're like, don't don't take the ring from me. And then the guy takes the ring and then they get mad. So they take out their lightsabers, right? Right, my Lord. Yep, you. Got it. Yeah, sure. OK, you got it. Yep, Yep, 1. 100 Sir Allison. He's not. I could be AI, could be a Hollywood writer. Simple in. These movies, Yeah, no. Simple. Wow. Anyways, yeah, this is what it is.

51:17 Anyways, what was I going to say before you guys rudely interrupted me? I don't know. Yeah, we got a dead spot in the whole show. Thanks, guys. That's not. Good, that's not a dead. Spot. You made it a dead spot. Nope. Talking about. Ropes and lightsabers and. Yeah, is what it is. Do we have any questions from the chat? Anybody in the chat? Send us some questions. Let's let's ask more questions. I know Allison's got to get out of here. We're already we'll. Wait, you're a dead spot. I am. Thanks, Wolens. Appreciate you. Love you too.

52:00 Yep. All right. Well, we'll, we'll go ahead and give the the chat a second to come up with any questions that they possibly could have. Jake, Jeff, do you guys have anything else for Allison before we let her go? No, not really. I appreciate you coming on. I don't obviously don't take my skepticism, you know. Oh, I. Don't. Don't worry about it. No offense. Or anything obviously, right. I'm all about the research. I just. Right. Yeah. Nope, totally. I don't. It doesn't bother me at all. So see, that's not how. You approach Jeff, you say thanks, Jeff, you ruined my life. Everything that I've worked for is just down the drain because you said some stuff. I just thinks like this. Maybe or.

52:42 There you go. Yeah, yeah. Gosh. My. Eye here I. Don't know why my eyes are so itchy right now. It's crazy. No Allison, thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate you being light hearted about it, being able to crack jokes and stuff. And I, and I hope you're horribly offended by everything I said. Yeah, no. I mean, you hear this stuff all the time, so I'm used to it. I don't really care. Yeah, just be. Super offended. I hope you think about it later, like a month. Sure, I'm going to. I'm going to be like murdering you in my dreams. I'm going. To murder. You in my dreams because that's, that's one thing I do love Mr. Crime. I love it too. I've.

53:22 I love it so much. I've been dreaming about it. It's been bad. Like, have I ever talked to the cops? It's all allegedly Zen. Someone may have fed one time like like I watch all the the YouTube explore with us like police interrogations and stuff. Oh my gosh self-defense. But I still chopped them up and burned the bottom. Right. Yeah, sure. Gosh, people are. Vile. It's so bad but I love it. I can't get enough of it. It's like. For me. It's it's watching these people trying to lie themselves out of it and then just getting hammered with like a death sentence or a lifetime in prison, Right. And I'm like, Oh yes.

54:08 I know I don't know, like if I've had, it's kind of weird, you know, I'm a little weird like this. But if I've had a really stressful day, I like to come home and have a glass of wine, watch true crime. That's exactly what I do. I'd rather. I. Will I will binge watch that killed his whole. Family. Yeah, right. Rough. It's like CSI, but, you know, real goodness. Yeah. Speaking of true crime, we haven't we have a nice little streak going here on the live shows where I I give a little insight into the future of the show and a possible episode upcoming. We may be diving into our first true crime case where we kind of touched on it already when we covered the Slender Man in the Slender Man episode when we covered the the case of the two girls from Waukesha, WI. I just bought a book.

55:05 It is called Slender Man and it is by Kathleen Hale and it is entirely about the case of the two girls in Waukesha, WI. So if anybody is interested in hearing a true crime episode, the first true crime episode here on the Infinite rabbit hole, that's what we're going to be diving into. Because at the same time, you know, true crime is cool, right? But infinite rabbit hole, we deal with infra rabbit hole stuff. And if we could tie the Slender Man into it, I think it would make for for a pretty cool episode. So Oh yeah, sure, that's gonna be awesome. All the people. Listening all the people watching whenever you guys do get a chance, make sure you guys message us on your social media of choice and let us know. Do you want to hear a our first true crime episode on the Slender Man case real quick?

55:54 Wollen, says Allison, have you ever smelt anything weird while doing your ghost investigations, You know? I can't recall that I have, but I know that Kim, one of my team members, we were at Farrar School and we were up in what they called the principal's office, but it was actually the counselor's office that we later found out she smelled Pickles. I I. Didn't smell it. She smelled. She's like, why does it smell like Pickles? I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about, but. Pickles of all. Things I don't, I don't know. That's about the only thing I haven't really smells. Or anything like that. Not that I can recall now. No.

56:36 No, I haven't. I want to say it was Family Guy, where they are like something about a ghost in the house and if you put a cucumber on the couch, you come back tomorrow, it'll be a pickle. Does that does that ring a bell for anybody here? I don't think I've. Seen that one? I want to say it was. Family Guy, Jake, I'm going to look up the the the clip and send it to you later. It's, it's absolutely hilarious. Just funny, just hilarious. It's probably not Family Guy at all. It's probably Star Wars. Oh my. Gosh, Allison, have you ever played the Midnight Man game? No. I haven't, I told. Jeremy and his wife about this earlier or a couple weeks ago. So they were the kids were playing some game and I was just like, I can't remember what they called it. There was like a birthday party going on or whatever. And I was just like, I was like, wait, explain to me this game because I thought it was the Midnight Man game and it turned out to be completely innocent.

57:32 So back when before I was a believer in in Jesus and I was a like a just a ruthless, like, let's find out individual. So we would play a game where you would, you would light a candle and like a big tall, like, you know, a good size candle, right? So you light this candle and this would be like your lights, right? We turn off all lights in the house. And you would write a the thing on a piece of paper saying like, we invite the midnight man into our house from the hours of 12:00 AM to 3:30 AM. And then you'd draw some blood and you'd sign your name in blood.

58:18 And then at 12:00 in the morning, you would knock on the door and open it. And you would invite the Midnight Man into your house, which was essentially a demon or whatever, during the witching hour. And then you'd close the door. And then you'd have to run around and hide with your candle. And if the candle went out, you had no way to light it. And then you're susceptible to being possessed by the Midnight Man. What? I am dude, I have never heard of this crap. Like this, which was just fun, right? Oh my. God, we did Bloody Mary and light as a feather stuff as a board back in my day. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. Or the OR the the only one which is ON I, I think it's it's Japanese for demon. And you would take a you'd, you'd make a doll, you could take a stuffed animal, whatever, take all the stuffing out of it. You fill it with rice, which represents the body, and you stitch up with red thread, which represents the blood. And then you would say a chant and give it a spirit and you'd leave it with a weapon and go hide in the house and hopefully it doesn't come and kill you.

59:26 Oh my. Gosh, like a teddy bear. Stuffed with rice covered in red thread that would run around the house with a knife and kill knife. Yeah. Are you sure there's not a movie already out there like that? There is, there actually is, because of the tradition of doing the thing. So I sent the clip to the chat. Jake Jeff of the Family Guy scene. It is Lois's brother who gets out of an insane asylum and he has a ghost wife. And yeah, it's it's it's there. It's there for you. Her name's Marion, if anybody wants to look that up.

1:00:07 I found it on YouTube. Just look up. I think I looked up Family Guy pickle scene or something like that. It is. It came right up. So there, there you go. All right, Allison, I know I kept you way later and I was supposed to I do apologize about that. But before we close up shop, why don't you go ahead and let everybody know where they can find you so that they can come listen to you and and follow your your work. OK, I. Knew you were going to ask me this, so I have to look it up because I don't know my handles. That's ridiculous. We do have a Facebook. We do have a Facebook page that Kim runs. Our Facebook page. It's RAP, paranormal and friends. We post a lot of our stuff about our podcast on there, our upcoming investigations, some of our live feeds. Also I do our Twitter page.

1:00:58 It's Allison at re Paranormal. We also have Instagram, which is RE Paranormal 24, so that's kind of where you can find us. Our shows are on Thursday nights. You can find it on Spreaker for free on Thursday Nights Live, or it's on any podcast platform that you listen to or wherever you like to listen to your podcasts. Nice. I just followed you guys on Facebook. All right. Sweet. Yeah. So whenever this goes live, I will tag your Facebook group in it real quick so. Wolan said in response to your Your smells answer. Allison, she says OK, I smelt something gross one time. Well, I felt like I was being watched. I was just curious.

1:01:40 Oh yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know, a lot of people say they smell like the smell sulfur, you know, rotten egg kind of smell of something. Might be it's kind of a sign of something whatever or bad or whatever, or maybe somebody just farted, I don't know but. Maybe it's a ghost. Maybe. It's a ghost. Fart. Anything else? Everything Good guys. Ready to roll, Allison? Thank you so much for joining us. I appreciate it. It's been fun. It was a good episode. I It's great. Yeah. Absolutely. Thanks for having me, guys. I appreciate it. Sure. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you very much. You had a couple people in the chat that also said thank you Wolens and 14 the wins. I think that's that's Shakespeare. Well, thanks.

1:02:26 Everybody, I appreciate it. Thank you very. Much. I really do. Appreciate that. And for everyone else, this has been another episode of the Infinite Rabbit Hole Podcast. We'll see you in the next fork of the Path of the Infinite Rabbit Hole. Bye everybody, Bye bye peace. Out, hey. Everybody, thanks for checking out the Infinite Rabbit Hole podcast. If you're looking for more of our stuff, head on over to infiniterabbithole.com where you can find links to all the podcast players that we are available on and even our video platforms such as TikTok and YouTube. While you're there, make sure to check out all the links for our socials and hit that follow so you know when all the new stuff from our podcast comes out. And until next time, travelers, we'll see you right here in the next fork in the path of the Infinite Rabbit hole. Bye.