191. UFOs, Time Travel, & Milabs w/ ariel & Krys of the Elephant In The Room Podcast

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Hey travelers, it's kid Kenzar.
I'm just stopping by to say that

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Jeremy, Jake, Jeff, and CJ have
been absolutely killing it

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lately.
Great job guys.

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The episodes have been
fantastic.

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Still one of my favorite shows
to listen to.

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But with all that being said, I
don't want to keep you guys any

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longer than I absolutely have
to.

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We've got a Cryptid or aliens.
Or whatever conspiracy Jeff's

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got going on to learn about so.
Welcome travellers, you're

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listening to the infinite rabbit
hole.

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Enjoy.
Imagine this line represents.

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A time present, 1985.
Higher to.

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This point in.
Time somewhere in the past the

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timeline you put into this
tangent, creating an alternate.

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Welcome back to the Infinite
Rabbit Hole.

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I'm your host, Jeremy, and today
we're going to sit down and talk

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to two special guests today.
Before we do that, let's go

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ahead and bring in our Co host
Jacob, who's rubbing the

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sleepies out of his eyes.
A long day, All right is ripping

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up a flower bed for Whitney this
morning.

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And then this afternoon, I was
dropping off some chicken eggs

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for one of our neighbors and on
my way back saw a whole flock of

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turkeys on the property.
And so I ran inside and grabbed

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my shotgun.
And I ran outside and within two

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minutes leaving my door, I got
my very first Turkey ever for

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the Wisconsin fall Turkey season
and now cleaned in the freezer.

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And it was probably about 10
lbs, which, you know, it's not

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like you get in the stores or
not pumped up with hormones and

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stuff, but man, it was a blast.
So that was very unexpected.

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I ran inside.
I was like, I told Whitney, I

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was like, Oh my gosh, oh, it's
happening, It's happened.

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She's like, what's happening?
Turkeys everywhere.

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Grabbed the shotgun and ran back
outside and, and took care of

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business.
And it was, it was a blast.

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But umm.
Yeah.

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Yeah, right.
And then making us breakfast for

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tomorrow so we can have some
fried egg sandwiches for

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breakfast and then showing up on
here.

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So that was my whole day chores
and a little bit of sporadic

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hunting and some honey to use.
Nice moving on to somebody who

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probably didn't kill an animal
today.

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Cafe.
What's up, man?

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Did I kill any animals today?
Probably killed a bunch of

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insects today.
I cleaned some gutters for a

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lady today and made some money.
That was it.

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Yep, sat around the house.
That's it.

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Probably tore up a few birds
nests.

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You're a terrible person.
Yeah man.

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Your gutters look good though
man.

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Brand new garbage.
Garbage.

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Yeah, call me if you're in the,
you know, Florida area.

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You need that.
You need that done.

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Let me know.
I got you.

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Stop.
Stop being garbage stuff.

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Stop soliciting.
My life is boring.

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That's all I did today.
All right, now that we're past

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that boring introduction, Jeff,
let's go ahead and bring in our

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guest for the night.
Tonight we have the host of the

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Elephant in the Room podcast.
Ariel and Chris, how are you

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ladies doing tonight?
Yeah, you get to go first.

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Oh.
OK, usually you jump in.

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No, we're doing good.
Thank you so much for having us.

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This is just so much fun.
We just always love connecting

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with new faces, especially
people who are kind of

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interested in the same topics
and just having conversations.

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And, you know, that's what you
guys are doing.

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That's what our show is about.
We bring guests on and yeah, we,

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we try not to create that echo
chamber chamber and we just, we

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like to just explore these
topics and talk about it.

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Sounds good.
Yeah, and my name is Chris and I

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am doing well today.
I had a pretty lazy day which

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is.
Pretty normal.

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Actually lately anyway, it's
been kind of normal for me.

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But yeah, I'm, I'm actually
really excited to be here.

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Ariel and I had taken a little
bit of a break over the summer

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and so we did a show last week
and that was our first show

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back.
And I've, I've just missed the

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interaction with people and
having the conversations and the

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dialogue.
So I'm glad to be back and and

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show the stage with you guys.
Good stuff.

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So during the pre recording you
guys were talking to us a little

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bit and you guys had said that
you haven't actually met yet.

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So how did you guys meet each
other?

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Go ahead, Chris.
Well, we actually met through

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Twitter or XI had been on for
probably about a year and a half

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or so on on the platform and had
built a little community of

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people who were interested in
the UAP topic and came across

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Ariel throughout my time.
And, and really just found her

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presence to be so positive and
uplifting and just a really kind

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of honestly a different view for
most people on on X because it

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can get really toxic there.
And I, I don't know, I just felt

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just kind of a calling in a
weird way.

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I wanted to share my story and
my experiences and just have a

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platform to like talk about them
and think them through.

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And she stood out to me.
So I literally just reached out

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to her randomly and said, hey,
you want to do a podcast?

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Literally never had spoken.
And so we obviously said, let's

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meet and see how our chemistry
is and, you know, see what we

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think.
And honestly, it was just

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really, what's the word
synchronicity, the whole thing,

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you know, we, we just had these
common backgrounds.

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Jake, I, I don't know what to
call myself anymore.

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I, I, I feel like I'm in a weird
place, but I have a Christian

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background.
And actually my husband and I

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did a lot of pastoral work and
service and he actually started

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his Christian faith journey in,
in, in Southern California

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through Calvary Chapel.
And we were you pastor in

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Calvary Chapel many years ago.
So now I wouldn't really label

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myself as that.
And and I and I just don't, I

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don't, I think it's more that I
don't like the label and you're

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sort of.
Deconstructing like you're,

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you're, you're like in a
process, you're in a journey

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like deconstructing and just
like putting back, putting your

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faith back together, like
figuring out what you believe

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and not what people have told
you.

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Yeah, exactly.
It definitely.

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And so it was really great
because, and honestly ironic

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that the Ariel was one of the
people that I felt attracted to

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online to, to talk about this
subject with because she is, you

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know, a Christian and she's very
strong in her faith.

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And I, I think I thought it
would be like you said it, it,

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it removes that echo chamber,
right?

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It gives us some different
perspectives to bounce off of

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each other.
And, and I, I don't know.

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So it's just been really cool.
Ariel, what do you think?

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No, yeah, I totally agree.
And Chris is an experiencer and

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I am not.
And I really love that about our

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show because I feel like because
of that, we're we're a safe

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space for experiencers to come
on because she can connect with

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them in that way.
But also, you know, some of the

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people who are more, you know,
academic, like they can come on

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too.
So it's a very like, we have a

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very wide range of people who
come on and I really love that

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about our show.
Good stuff.

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So Chris, yes, what did you
experience?

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That's a great question.
If anyone has the answer please

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let me know.
So I would say it's, it's hard

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for me to share my story because
I think when once you have an

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experience, you reflect on your
life and you kind of see other

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experiences that popped up
throughout that you may not have

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recognized as such.
But essentially in 2021, I began

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to somewhat randomly get dig
into the subject.

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I think I saw, you know, I, I
tell everybody that George Knapp

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and Jeremy Corbell are my
gateway drugs to the topic.

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I think I heard a podcast and I
was in the Navy as well.

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So I heard a podcast or I mean a
show or a news article about the

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Princeton episode in San Diego.
And we lived in San Diego at the

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time in 2021.
Were you aviation?

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Say that again.
Were you aviation?

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No, actually, I was a corpsman.
I was.

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I was just a corpsman, yeah.
Jake.

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Jake and I were aviation Navy.
Oh, really?

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Oh, cool.
Good to know.

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Yeah.
And my husband was, he was a

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ship serviceman, but he was
stationed on the Princeton back

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in the day.
So the connection was there of

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course, when I heard the story
and I started listening to some

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of their, you know, stories and,
and digging into the topic just

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pretty briefly.
But for some reason it captured

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my attention.
And then within I would say that

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was like March of 2021.
And by May of 2021, I had

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actually captured my first
daytime UAP on my phone.

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But at the time I really did
not.

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I did not know that's what it
was.

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I didn't, I was joking.
I was looking at the sky.

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It was and I was filming it and
I was telling my dad, ha, ha,

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ha.
Technically it's a UFO because

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we couldn't identify it, blew it
off, moved on.

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But then in July, I had my first
night time experience.

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Me, my daughter and her
boyfriend were getting ready to

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watch the 4th of July fireworks.
We were on the roof of our house

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and happened to have a night
time camera that I had just

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purchased because I was into the
topic and I thought I was going

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to start looking at the stars.
And she was holding it and she

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started filming and a blue orb
traversed across the sky across

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the Canyon from where we were.
And you know, I said film it,

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film it.
So she starts filming it and it

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traverses across the Canyon and
then it turns and heads.

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It was initially going like
South to north and then it went

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east or West to east and then it
returned and came back.

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But within that time period, it
was like a 62nd shot.

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And it, according to my
calculations, it traversed

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about, I don't know, 6 miles.
And again, everything is up in

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the air, right?
You don't know what you're

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seeing distance wise at night,
but I know what like trees, it

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went in front of and behind of
based on the film and you know,

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things like that.
And it turned blue, it turned

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green.
I mean, sorry, it turned blue,

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it turned white, it turned red
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And and it was super fast.
I mean it the way it returned

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especially it just like stopped
on a diamond and reversed.

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And so right away I was just
like, Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh,

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you know, we're seeing something
and then hovered and then it

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descended in a diagonal pattern.
So it kind of looked like it

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could have been a drone.
But like once I calculated the

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speed and I watched that Canyon
for years after that, I

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certainly knew that it was not
something, it was definitely

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something anomalous.
And then I watched the skies

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pretty much nightly.
And frankly, in February of

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2022, I started seeing daytime
UA PS at the same time of day,

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every day.
I have lots of videos, I've

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captured hundreds of videos.
And it was in this particular

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spot.
And so that really look kind of

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like threw me for ontological,
you know, through ontological

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shock, because once I started
realizing I was seeing something

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repeatedly, it's, you know, it
has no propulsion system, it's

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moving, it's controlled.
I just really was like, wow,

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this there's something to this.
Certainly it could be something

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maybe military or but it was not
something normal.

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I mean, it didn't appear to be
anything that we would claim or

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to possess or to to have.
And and this is over San Diego

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in a in a regular zone.
And then I saw lots of other

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things.
I mean, I captured black cubes.

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I've captured objects that look
kind of like a jellyfish, just

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multiple things.
Of course my footage is terrible

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because I have iPhone and you
know, but those were kind of

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where it started and it and it
just became, it really took over

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my life to be honest.
It just changed my perspective

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of everything about the world.
So.

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Is there a place where you post
these videos?

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Typically on Twitter, so on my
Twitter account, they're there.

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I have a few on a YouTube
channel.

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But actually, I don't know if
Ariel even knows this, but she

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made contact with somebody who's
in the film industry a few

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months back.
And I've reached out to them and

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they're supposed to help me
gather all my files together and

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do something with them.
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challenges is the technical
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And, you know, really getting
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Twitter.
And people are like, I can't see

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it.
And it's obvious.

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Like, you know, it is a small
white orb, so it is hard to see,

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but I can see it on my screen.
They can't see it on the upload.

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It's obviously, you know,
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So I need some help with that,
but Twitter is primarily.

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You can look through my feed and
see all my past postings.

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I've been posting pretty much
since 2021, but.

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What's your Twitter page?
Chris Devine, KRYSDEVINE or

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Awake while sleeping.
I think you find it as Chris

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Devine.
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It's.
Got some pretty cool videos on

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there.
I was I was snooping.

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I'm.
Good, no.

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That's good you're doing your
homework.

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I, I, I just see what I was
getting myself into, you know?

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No.
Very cool, Ariel, you don't have

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anything.
No.

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And I think, you know, maybe
Jake can relate to this.

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I I don't want an experience,
you know, I, I kind of am closed

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off to that.
There's something, I don't know

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if you guys are familiar with
CE5 and it's basically a method,

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I think it was.
Is it Greer?

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Chris Greer?
I think so.

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Close Encounters.
Yeah, but it's like it's it's

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like the CE5 method that he.
Developed that you go.

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Out and you say and do certain
meditations and you're like

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calling UFOs or beings to you
and a lot of people.

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I mean talk, talk to talk to
people.

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I mean it works.
It happens all the time.

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There's absolutely something to
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Personally, I don't know what
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just really freaks me out, you
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Be.
Some kind of, yeah, some kind of

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something that's malevolent or
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I I don't want.
So like I, I kind of am closed

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off to the experiencer part of
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I but I love listening to
experiencers and I'm definitely

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open minded that it's not
necessarily malevolent or

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anything bad.
I just personally and like want

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to be careful about what I
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Does that make sense?
Jake is like, can you, can you

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see that from a Christian
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What do you think?
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No, I am.
It's, it's funny because one of

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our Co hosts, CJ, who's taking a
break right now, he, he was

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joking around with me and I was
like, bro, I will look an alien

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in the face and tell him he's
not real, all right?

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Like, I don't care, right?
But it's just like it's not

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extraterrestrial for me.
It's, it's all spiritual based

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and stuff.
And it it seems to create AI

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don't know a level of fear and
anxiety and people that have

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that have encounters.
And that doesn't sound like it's

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coming from any good place,
right.

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Well, then again, you know, you,
you read into the Bible and

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stuff and every time an Angel
present himself, he's like, be

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not afraid, right?
Because they don't look like,

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they don't appear like human
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They look like giant rings with
eyeballs all over them and six

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wings and like multiple heads
and all this sort of stuff, like

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crazy stuff.
But either, either way, yeah,

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I'm not, I'm, I'm certainly not
the guy that's going out looking

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for for ghosts.
I'm not going out trying to call

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in, you know, do some weird
meditations or ritual type

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things to try to call in some
spiritual entity to come and and

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harass me, right, type stuff.
And so I totally feel where

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you're coming from from that.
And on the other side of that,

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you know, spending thirteen
years in the Navy, I have seen

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and have recorded my fair share
of of Uaps or UFOs, right?

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But it's like, I don't know, it
doesn't for most of the stuff

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that I've seen, it could easily
be dismissed as, you know,

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testings of new types of
vehicles and stuff.

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Like one of the the ones I
always like to point to is the

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SEAL who killed bin Laden.
He was on AI want to say it was

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the Shawn Ryan show podcast
maybe.

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And he said, well, anyway, so he
said that he, so when they flew

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into the compound, they were
flying Blackhawks, right?

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Blackhawk helicopters that had
never really been introduced

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ever before that event to the
point where Obama at the time,

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because he was the president,
they were sitting in the

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situation room and they're
briefing him.

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They said, we're 99% sure that
Osama bin Laden is here in this

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compound because we've seen his
like his nephew and they're

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always together, right?
That's his last line of defense.

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And so they're briefing Obama
and they got the team there.

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They've got all the, all the top
generals that are that are

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working this this whole thing.
And Obama says, all right, well,

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you know, is that it everything
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And they're like, well, so the
vehicles, the, the aircraft we

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want to use are like super
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And Obama as the president had
never heard of these types of

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Blackhawks before.
And even the pilots who flew

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them were, in fact, Blackhawk
pilots, but had never flown the

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stealth Blackhawks before.
And I don't know if you ever

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heard.
We have them in the Navy.

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They're called, you know, sea
nights.

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Seahawks.
Yeah.

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Seahawks, MH60, Sierras and
Romeos.

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And of course the Army, and I
think the Marines as well, have

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the Blackhawks.
But they're super noisy.

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Like, you can hear them from,
you know, miles up, right, going

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through.
Well, apparently they're so

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quiet somehow, that the.
The terrace in the compound for

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Osama bin Laden.
Didn't know that they were there

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until they were breaching the
doors.

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Wow.
Now that is some super duper

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high level stealth capabilities.
Not just for radar and all that

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sort of stuff, but for noise as
well, right?

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That's crazy.
So when I hear things like that

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or I or I see, you know, the
Congress sessions that they have

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and they they refuse to answer
any questions like we'll talk

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about that in a closed session.
What that leads me to believe is

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that a lot of the things that
people see in the sky either are

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spiritual in nature, which I'm
very, you know, much assured

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that a lot of them might, may
maybe right or they are top

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secret military vehicles.
That really would be just

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insanely asinine for the federal
government to come out and say,

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yeah, we got all these projects.
You know, hopefully our enemies

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don't try to copy it right type
stuff because they've got

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Lockheed and Raytheon and and
Northrop Grumman and all these,

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you know, all these companies
that are private companies that

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are out of the federal
government working on these

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projects.
So, but regardless, even if it

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was, well, I can't say that
saying everything is a military

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vehicle, but then if you do a
special ritual or or something

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like that out in the woods and,
you know, dance naked around a

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campfire, that they suddenly
appear, that sounds doesn't

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sound like it's a military
vehicle to me, right.

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So yeah, I totally understand
where you're coming from.

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And, and the, a lot of the
pushback I've had honestly in

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this podcast has come from some
of the subjects because it's

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like, I don't want to entertain
this sort of stuff in my brain

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or give it a space, right?
So when it comes to the

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paranormal or the aliens or
whatever it is, I really don't

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want to dig into it because I
feel like it's creating a

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platform for evil, right?
Or something like that.

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So I certainly have my
reservations and I'm not going

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out and looking for it.
Now, if it happens, it happens,

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right?
I mean, what are you going to

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do?
It's like getting caught out in

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the rain without an umbrella.
It happens, right?

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So, but I'm not going to go out
and, like, seek it out, Right.

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Right.
Do anything crazy to to make

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something happen.
Yeah.

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Interesting.
I I, and I find that interesting

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because I think that, I think
for me, you know, of course,

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that was kind of coming from the
a Christian background.

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My perspective had always been
very much, you know, that

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discernment and, you know, being
careful what you, you open up

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yourself to and yourself in.
But I think as I, as I

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deconstructed some of that, I, I
began to realize, I don't know,

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I, I, I think some of the fears
started to fall away.

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And it wasn't like I would say I
was inviting them per SE, but I

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was open to the idea of seeing
them or of experiencing

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something.
But but I think and I, and it's

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funny, Jake, because I never was
into sci-fi or, or any like I

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didn't, I didn't watch anything.
I did grow up having a fear of

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UFOs though.
I I did dream.

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I have a really strong dream
life and which is why my name is

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awake while sleeping.
And as a child, I had a terrible

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fear of UFO invasions.
And I would have these

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nightmares of UFOs coming in and
there were pretty much lights in

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the sky.
And, and in my childhood thought

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processes, they were, you know,
aliens invading.

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But as I impacted as a later on,
as an adult, I, I began to

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realize that it was these lights
I was seeing coming in these

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UFOs.
But the invasion wasn't really

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the problem.
It was our response to the UFOs.

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It was the, the response from
the military.

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And that's what would cause this
war in my dreams.

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So I started to really reflect
on that and just the concept of

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how our fear causes us to
respond to others, you know,

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whatever that may be.
I mean, like you said, exactly

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like, you know, every time you
see an Angel in the Bible, it is

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fear.
Not, you know, there, there is a

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fear, there's a, there is a
spiritual connection or

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something that affects, you
know, our perception as humans

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when we encounter something
that's not human, just like if

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we encountered an animal in the
forest, we would get fear.

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You know, that doesn't mean
it's, you know, evil per SE.

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It just means it is what it is.
And we know that we should not

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maybe be in the presence of that
because there is a potential of

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harm.
So that was kind of the

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perspective I started to take
just because I didn't want to

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limit my perception of the world
to what I was programmed to

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believe about certain things,
which I know you have to be

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careful, but but I did want to
experience the world as it is

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and, and to under, you know, I'm
just fascinated.

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I'm just curious by the world,
you know, it's just so

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fascinating to me.
So yeah.

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I'm also very fascinated with
the world.

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If it's a mystery, if it, if
it's something of the unknown or

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whatever, I love it.
You know, all aspects of it too.

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When Jake and I first started
the show, we were kind of

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bouncing around the idea of
originally just becoming a

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Bigfoot podcast.
And then it turned into, ah,

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let's just do all the cryptids.
And then then it turned into,

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you know what, let's just do
everything.

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I mean, Yep.
But nothing political.

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But everything else, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, we just stay away

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from politics.
But I mean, we've covered

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everything from, you know, near
death experiences to the FALC

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monster to UFO incidents.
I mean aquatic aid theory,

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sleeper out.
I mean everything.

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Yeah.
I love it.

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I love the world of of the
unknown and, and just having

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that those questions and then
being able to look into what we

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have been able to uncover for
these from these mysteries and

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try to add to that if we
possibly could or decipher it in

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your own own way.
Like we do a lot here on the

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show where, you know, we'll
bring a topic like we, we just

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got done with a four part series
on Hollow Earth and we dove

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really deep into like the
history, the literature, the,

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the concepts, the fiction,
nonfiction, beliefs, myths,

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lore.
Science.

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Everything that you possibly
dive into it and we all

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dissected it in our own views
and.

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That's great.
Yeah, it's I love the world of

448
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,720
the mysteries.
Just good stuff.

449
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,280
So what do you and Jeff think
about the UFO phenomenon?

450
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,520
Jeremy will never tell us, we
always ask him what his thoughts

451
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,280
are and he's always like you got
to wait till part 4 at the very

452
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,320
end to find out what I about
this.

453
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,000
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
You.

454
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,040
You.
Want to you want to get into

455
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,240
this?
OK, here's here's my my honest

456
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,440
opinion.
OK.

457
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,960
And we just recorded Part 2 of
our Men in Black last week.

458
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,920
And in that episode we actually
talked about it.

459
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,480
Jeff didn't catch it, you know,
whatever, He doesn't pay

460
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,080
attention, he doesn't love me.
It's OK, I can, I can get by

461
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,000
without that.
But I'm going to be honest with

462
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,720
you, the the best thing that
I've ever heard was that they

463
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,120
could be potential time
travellers.

464
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:26,040
I think that's an extremely
interesting point and that that

465
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,760
there's a lot of answers that
are questions that get answered

466
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:35,840
with that point of view a lot,
including why they don't make

467
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,480
contact with us, you know, in,
in, you know, in the physical.

468
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,920
And I'm not, you know, I'm not
saying that all of them are time

469
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,560
travelers, that there there
could absolutely be other

470
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:45,880
things.
I mean, you have stories like

471
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:51,120
Whitley Strieber's communion and
Fire in the Sky and, and you

472
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:56,360
know, a bunch of other really
good alien abduction, you know,

473
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,560
Benny Betty and Barney Hill
there.

474
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,160
There's a ton of them out there.
And you know, I'm not, I'm not

475
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,080
saying that all of them are
lying at all.

476
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,080
I, I think they're very
interesting in, in their own

477
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,600
right, but I think that the
majority of them are most likely

478
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,680
time travelers out to make sure
that we're not screwing up the

479
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:18,880
timeline.
Now in the Men in Black Part 2

480
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,680
episode, I did talk a little bit
about how just a, just a

481
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:27,000
theoretical answer to the men in
Black mystery because they're so

482
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:32,040
tightly tied into the UFO
phenomenon as possibly being

483
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,400
these time travelers, these
pilots of these UFOs and

484
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,480
potentially being the wardens of
time, if you will, basically

485
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,240
coming out and making sure that
we're not messing with the, the

486
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:50,040
time, you know, the, the, the
time stream And people who do

487
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:55,200
have these encounters with
mysterious beings are, are being

488
00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:00,440
silenced to ensure that we're
not skipping ahead too far into

489
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,520
certain things, which would
erase, you know, the natural

490
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,800
flow of time, which would erase
certain things in the future,

491
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,680
which would mess a lot of stuff
up.

492
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,480
And I, I think that they, they,
they keep their distance for a

493
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,360
really good reason.
And then if you look at things

494
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:23,920
such as, you know, they're
their, their, how, how, how they

495
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,960
always go after nuclear weaponry
and nuclear power, right?

496
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,760
Like the Maelstrom Air Force
Base incident where the nuclear

497
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,960
reactors were shut down, you
know, after an orange light

498
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,120
appeared.
And, you know, they just went

499
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:41,400
down.
And then you hear about them

500
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:47,080
always chasing nuclear carriers
and, and being above nuclear

501
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,360
submarines.
Like we had just talked about

502
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,520
Project Aquarius a little bit a
little while ago and how during

503
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,600
Project Aquarius, when they were
doing their, their remote

504
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:03,840
viewing tests and, and
exercises, the, the, the people

505
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,360
that they were running these,
these tests with claimed to a

506
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,880
spotted flying saucers or, or
something of the such above

507
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,880
where these hidden Soviet Subs
or U boats were or German U

508
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:24,280
boats.
And it's I, I, I don't know.

509
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,400
I, I think that's, that, that's
one of the, the best

510
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,120
explanations that you could
think of.

511
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,000
And it, it's, it's strictly just
because it answers so many

512
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,360
questions, right?
It, it really does.

513
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,640
I, I think it fits very, very
well.

514
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,880
Is that my final answer?
No, I'll probably change that at

515
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,520
some point after I do research
and just another topic, I'm

516
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,080
like, oh.
Well, next 10 minutes they'll

517
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,200
change his opinion.
No, that's Jeff.

518
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,360
Jeff does that.
Oh yeah, that's true.

519
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,120
I do change my mind a lot, but
no I don't think it's that crazy

520
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,440
man.
I honestly, I think like

521
00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:00,520
probably 95% of all of these
sightings and experiences are

522
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,320
probably, I'm not going to say
government because I don't think

523
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,360
government's competent enough to
pull off some of these things,

524
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,040
right?
But like, like you were saying,

525
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,240
Jake, right?
And we've said it 1000 times,

526
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:17,400
all these like military
industrial complex corporations

527
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,400
that have these black budgets
and these secret vaults of

528
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,400
information and stuff that is
classified because they do work

529
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,120
with governments and, and things
like that around the world.

530
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,040
So I think that there's
offshoots, there's the breakaway

531
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,720
civilization that's doing stuff.
And a lot of what we're seeing

532
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,560
is probably that there's
probably some advanced military

533
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,920
aircraft that we're just not
aware of, right?

534
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,080
Of course they're developing
like the next like 6th

535
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,760
generation, right?
We're all aware of like 5th Gen.

536
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,160
everything, but they're already
working on 6th Gen. stuff and,

537
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,520
and at least designing 7th Gen.
stuff at this point.

538
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,480
So some of it's probably that,
and then there's probably like a

539
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,280
small percentage of it that is
actually, it's got to be at

540
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,840
least interdimensional, if not
some kind of spiritual

541
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,720
situation.
Because I was just watching

542
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,360
Shawn Ryan as well, and I was
listening to him talk to Avi

543
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,240
Loeb, who's the astrophysicist,
right?

544
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,880
What?
A good episode, that was.

545
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,000
Yeah, great episode.
He's talking about all the

546
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,520
stuff.
Now listen, I'm I'm the first

547
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,840
one to say that the information
we're getting about spaces is

548
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,160
bullshit, right?
Like the data is this or

549
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,920
whatever, right?
They could lie to us and this

550
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:31,720
guy could definitely be spewing
whatever psyop about space to

551
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,880
all of us.
But if he's not, what he's

552
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,280
talking about is that this the
distances and, you know, the

553
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,880
time it would take to travel and
like, where's the lack of space

554
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,120
trash and where's the lack of
radio signals and just the whole

555
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,680
list of things?
And Sean Ryan asked him flat out

556
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,240
like, is there aliens?
You think there's aliens?

557
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,600
Like where they at?
And he's basically like, I don't

558
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:53,960
see him, bro.
I don't see him.

559
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,880
I'm here looking, man.
If anybody wants to see him,

560
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,480
it's me, right?
So, and you hear this from like

561
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,080
Elon Musk and these type of
people who you would think would

562
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,440
know, right?
So if they're not bullshitting

563
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,800
us, then they're not here from
other planets.

564
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,040
They're here from another
dimension or a spiritual realm.

565
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,239
Demons, right?
And some of them could be

566
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,320
angelic, right?
Some of them don't necessarily

567
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,000
have to be.
That's what I was going to say.

568
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,480
My, my, I got to throw that in.
Like, I mean, what?

569
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,880
Why assume they're demonic if
they're from a spiritual realm?

570
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,400
We don't know intent yet, right?
Yeah, I mean.

571
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,440
For sure.
I mean how?

572
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,719
I mean, we could just how do you
I think that's I guess that's

573
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:42,920
one of my weird concerns.
Maybe I'm the, maybe you can

574
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:51,400
call me the, the woke UFO, but I
do have this concern that we

575
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,239
just put these immediate
judgments on.

576
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,920
I, I guess I don't want it to be
another situation where humanity

577
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,400
takes and makes assumptions
about what this being's intent

578
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:10,800
is or, you know, what they want
and, and we respond with such

579
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,680
violence in so many cases.
And I just, I mean, I'm not, you

580
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,280
know, I'm not against defending
ourselves and protecting, you

581
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:22,800
know, ourselves, but it's just,
it's just there's something

582
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,880
there for me that makes me want
to give the benefit of the doubt

583
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,880
for some reason.
I don't know, maybe it is the

584
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,720
time traveler thing.
Maybe it is the idea that

585
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:36,120
they've warned us on so many
occasions about what we're doing

586
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,920
to ourselves.
Or at least in some of the

587
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,960
stories, you know, in some of
the cases you hear like these,

588
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,600
they're the, the concern about
what we're doing to the planet,

589
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,840
what we're doing to humanity,
what we're doing to destroy the

590
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:49,880
Earth.
So.

591
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,920
So something in me tells me that
it's not, it can't all be that

592
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,360
intent.
I don't know.

593
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,400
Sorry.
Didn't mean to buddy.

594
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,560
I disagree Chris shoot nukes at
him.

595
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,680
I know.
We'll find out what they're made

596
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,880
of, go right through.
Find out what we're made of too.

597
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,560
I think the biggest reason that
people would jump to them being

598
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,000
negative entities is because
first of all, it's like it's a

599
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,400
human trait for us to fear
something that's like in the

600
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,000
dark or in the shadows, right?
We're always in the back of our

601
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,960
DNA memory worried about the
Jaguar eating us in the middle

602
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,720
of the night.
So, you know, when we think

603
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:33,560
about like, what is this?
What are you talking about?

604
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,440
This entity from another
dimension or whatever, a

605
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,040
spiritual like it's
automatically the like default

606
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,120
level, like fear because it's
like, what are you talking

607
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,400
about?
I can't see it.

608
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:46,840
You know, it could show up
anywhere.

609
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,000
What are you talking about?
You know, so I think that's why

610
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,280
for since people could write
things down, it's always been

611
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,880
associated or usually associated
with negative entities, even if

612
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,640
they're not always negative
entities, just because even if

613
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,200
like I'm sitting here right now,
right?

614
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:07,160
Like it if literally an angelic
being showed up here, my thought

615
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,080
about it is I'd probably be
freaked out.

616
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:13,240
Although I understand that the
essence of light and love might

617
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:16,120
be overwhelming me to the point
where I wouldn't be afraid, but

618
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,200
thinking about that event right
happening freaks me out, right?

619
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,680
Like, oh shit, like that's
scary.

620
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,520
So.
Now yet.

621
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,760
We have this collective
consciousness of there being an

622
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,680
other.
Like, I mean, you go back so

623
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,640
long and people have always been
talking about aliens and, you

624
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,920
know, visitors and, you know, so
it's just it's interesting that,

625
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:43,520
you know, it's so deeply there
in the collective consciousness

626
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:48,160
to sort of think that there is
an other out there yet to still

627
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:53,520
so naturally have that fear.
I.

628
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:55,840
Agree.
The others, yeah, that's

629
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,000
interesting to me too, because I
always wonder if there is other

630
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,760
or was other.
Well, I guess we know for sure

631
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,480
there was other humans at some
point, right?

632
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,880
We evolved with other humans, if
you believe that.

633
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:12,800
But are there still right, The
hollow Earth thing that was,

634
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,760
it's always one of my favorites
because to me, if there's

635
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,480
somewhere where there could be
like huge civilizations of other

636
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,920
human like beings, you know,
they're not coming from Zeta

637
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,240
Reticuli.
They're coming from inside the

638
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:28,960
Earth probably, or at least
within the solar system.

639
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,640
Yeah.
I sort of feel that way too.

640
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:39,520
I kind of feel that that it is
more local to us somehow.

641
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,360
I don't know why I do.
I just kind of, I think there's

642
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,280
plenty.
I mean, look, we just, we just,

643
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,560
there's so much unknown about
our own planet.

644
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,000
There's so much space in the
ocean.

645
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,880
There's so many things that we
really have not explored or, you

646
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,000
know, you turn over and
honestly, I feel like there's so

647
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,440
many things that have been
hidden from us on Earth.

648
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,800
You know, again, it goes back to
what we've been taught.

649
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,040
Look at, look at some of the
things we're discovering, some

650
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:13,400
of the, the archaeology and just
data and information we're

651
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,000
discovering about, you know, I
don't know how to pronounce it.

652
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,440
Go black Tempe or whatever.
Yeah, you.

653
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,760
Know all these things, you know,
everything is like hidden from

654
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,640
us and, and there's so much yet
unexplored about our own earth.

655
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,760
And I, I, I think that it is
very much likely that they are

656
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,680
coming from somewhere closer or
they exist somewhere closer.

657
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,880
And, and I think the other
favorite, again, my theories

658
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,840
will probably change the rest of
my life as well.

659
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,600
But I think one of my favorite
things is just this idea that we

660
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,280
live in a world where our
perceptions are filtered.

661
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,920
You know, as humans, we
currently exist.

662
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,080
Where are, you know, we are
filtered from viewing certain

663
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,680
things in certain ways.
And maybe those filters could

664
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,040
change, you know, as as we
evolve or as consciousness

665
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,040
expands or, you know, as we get
a microscope or a telescope or

666
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,720
we add some of sort of tool to
our tool set, we might.

667
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,320
Start to see the bacteria and
viruses for what they are

668
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,480
versus, you know, or the aliens
or whatever.

669
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,840
I mean, I just think there's so
much unexplored in our own world

670
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,520
that we have, we have to start
talking about it and, and

671
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,320
applying science to it and stop
ignoring it and telling people

672
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,080
they're crazy because like,
there's so much evidence that we

673
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:35,360
need to start looking at it.
Yeah.

674
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,840
So what about outside of the
realm of UFOs?

675
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,360
Is there anything else that you
guys look into?

676
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,480
I'm definitely interested in
Bigfoot too.

677
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,000
I think there's definitely and
there's definitely a connection

678
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,160
there.
It was sort of, you know, the

679
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,720
UFO thing that led me to
cryptids because there is so

680
00:40:57,720 --> 00:41:02,840
often that connection of portals
or people seeing UFOs, you know,

681
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,880
after they saw the Bigfoot or
whatever.

682
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,520
And so I'm definitely, I, I want
to get more into the to the

683
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,160
Cryptid thing, but I mean, one
thing at a time, really.

684
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,360
I don't, I don't have time to
just jump into, you know, all

685
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,800
these topics simultaneously.
But I think that's one thing I'd

686
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,440
like to explore.
And Chris and I also just, we

687
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,800
really love the topic of
consciousness and, you know,

688
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,520
just more philosophical
concepts.

689
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,760
We've had Doctor James Madden on
our show and he's a philosopher.

690
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,400
And, you know, half the time we
were just talking about kind of

691
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:38,360
what Chris was just saying is,
you know, how we as humans

692
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:44,000
operate and how we are just
viewing the world through very,

693
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,640
you know, very limited in a very
limited sense, in a very limited

694
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,840
way when you strip it all down.
And so, yeah, we, we kind of get

695
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,200
into a lot and we get a, we have
a lot of little Bunny trails

696
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,640
here and there.
I mean, we're as human beings on

697
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,800
this planet, we're still killing
each other over lines and dirt.

698
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,880
So yeah, we have very limited
views of everything.

699
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,640
Absolutely.
I'll tell you what though, as

700
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,480
far as Bigfoot goes, Jeremy has
a Bigfoot experience that I

701
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,960
would rather have the aliens
land in my backyard than have

702
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,640
shared his experience with.
Oh.

703
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:18,760
Tell us.
Tell.

704
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:19,840
Us.
Tell us you want to hear.

705
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,000
Ah man, if you want.
To share the whole thing.

706
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,040
No, I mean I I would love to
share it.

707
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,240
The only thing is, is that my
listeners have already heard it

708
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:29,200
like a dozen times.
Nope.

709
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,800
Nope.
Tell it they haven't heard it.

710
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,280
Just give us to give us like the
quick abbreviated version.

711
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,120
All right, so when I was nine
years old, I was playing with my

712
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:44,000
BB gun in southern Vermont and I
was down at a field that was

713
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,400
like right off the property.
I'm not going to say whose

714
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,720
property it was, but it wasn't
my property.

715
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:51,880
It was a family members
property.

716
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:58,520
And I, there was this deer out
in the middle of the field that

717
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,960
I had come up to and I was going
to shoot her in the butt with

718
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:06,440
ABB gun just cuz, you know, 9
year old boys doing stupid shit,

719
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:07,120
right?
Sorry.

720
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:13,520
Excuse me.
So I, I, I went to go put her in

721
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,920
the crosshairs of this brand new
scope that I had.

722
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,800
And all of a sudden she's gone.
You know, I'm thinking that she

723
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,120
just ran off.
So I, I kind of trailed a little

724
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,960
bit trying to find her.
And then I pulled my eye down or

725
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,120
the gun down so I can look.
And she's on the shoulder of

726
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:33,960
this tall hairy being walking
off to like the 2:00 position

727
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:39,800
from where I'm at.
And as this thing walks into the

728
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:45,400
tree line, he, he takes or she
or he or whatever it was takes

729
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,280
this thing, lifts it up by the
neck.

730
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,680
And because of the the deer
screaming or doing whatever, you

731
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,720
know, yeah, whatever noise it
can do.

732
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:55,320
That bleeding sound.
They do, yeah.

733
00:43:55,320 --> 00:44:01,480
Yeah, it's like takes it and
just slams its head up against a

734
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:07,440
tree and then I don't, I don't
remember if I put it back over

735
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,440
his shoulder or not, but it just
continued to walk into the tree

736
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,680
line and scared to live and piss
out at me like I'm.

737
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,240
Oh yeah, I mean, that gives me
goosebumps.

738
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:18,800
Like what the?
Hell.

739
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,080
May or may not have wet myself,
but I was 9.

740
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,160
Definitely did.
I don't think it matters what

741
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,600
age you would be, but still.
I'm.

742
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,960
At nine years old, you know what
you saw?

743
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:31,840
Yeah.
You know.

744
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,680
I did not, so no.
No, I mean, but in like, in the

745
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,520
sense of like being real, like
you knew that you weren't.

746
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:39,640
Hallucinated.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

747
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,000
No, I definitely knew it was
something.

748
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,560
It was something physical.
It was it was covered in hair.

749
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,160
It was on two legs.
It wasn't, Yeah.

750
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,200
Yeah, It wasn't a bear.
Honestly, at at nine years old,

751
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,400
I thought it was a werewolf.
I didn't.

752
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:51,600
I didn't know what a Bigfoot
was.

753
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,000
I didn't know, you know, I I
mean, yeah, Perry and

754
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,000
Henderson's existed at that
time, but I I don't, I didn't

755
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,760
make that connection.
I didn't even know that movie

756
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,640
existed at the time.
I still haven't watched a lot of

757
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,600
movies.
Do we need to get into that,

758
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,000
guys?
We need to.

759
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,320
Star Wars do we need to tell the
the listeners that for the 100th

760
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:10,520
time, he.
Hasn't watched Blur the Rain?

761
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:11,440
Time.
War.

762
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,960
Jeremy's a big movie buff this
vacation.

763
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:15,920
Nothing.
He's a movie.

764
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:21,520
He's a movie guy.
So yeah, I, I originally just

765
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,680
thought it was a werewolf.
I, I, I, I that's the connection

766
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,600
that I made.
And it wasn't until I was

767
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,800
probably 11 or 12 years old,
staying home sick from school

768
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,520
one day where I was on the
sci-fi channel, you know, back

769
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,000
in the day where you had to
actually flip through the

770
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:40,480
channels.
And I'm watching in search of, I

771
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,560
don't know, I, I didn't have any
interest in it at all or

772
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:44,680
anything like that.
It was just something

773
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,520
interesting that was on.
Yeah.

774
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,760
Because daytime TV used to suck.
I don't know if the kids, the

775
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,040
kids won't understand that, but
it used to be terrible.

776
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,840
And I was just watching it and
they were doing an episode on

777
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,760
the Patterson Gimlin film and
Bigfoot in general.

778
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,960
And I'm like, pretty sure that's
what I freaking saw.

779
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:11,360
So yeah, that's and even even
until this day.

780
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,640
I mean, I'll, I'll tell you that
I'm not 100% sure it was a

781
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,720
Bigfoot, right?
Especially when you have the

782
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:20,360
stories of like dog men around
and and other various cryptids

783
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,680
and everything.
But if you take the location, if

784
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:27,200
you take the time of the year,
because it was in spring, it

785
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:34,080
just the the, the way it was
walking, it walked very, very

786
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:41,520
human esque like it just brings
Bigfoot now that I know what it

787
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,280
is.
Yeah, absolutely.

788
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,360
It's interesting because I
remember hearing stories.

789
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:53,280
I'm from New Mexico, so, you
know, obviously lots of, you

790
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,840
know, UFO lore and things like
that from from there.

791
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,800
But I grew up in the southwest
corner, which was in the forest

792
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,320
and I grew up hunting and
fishing and, and I do remember

793
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,640
hearing stories of Bigfoot.
I mean, I don't remember who

794
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,400
talked about him or, you know,
but it just was something that

795
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:15,160
did come up as a kid.
But I, you know, I laughed

796
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,680
because I talked to people now
and I'm like, you know, when I

797
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,320
saw the stories about UF OS, I
really did not have a concept.

798
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,440
I thought they were nut nuts and
bolts.

799
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,480
You know, I thought we were
talking about physical craft

800
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,480
and, and then when you get into
the topic, that's where

801
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,840
everything just changes.
And you know, your, your

802
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,240
perspective changes because you
start to hear people's stories,

803
00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:40,880
you start to hear these
experiences and you recognize

804
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,600
that somehow there's something
way beyond the physical that's

805
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:50,080
involved.
So the story you tell Jeremy

806
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:55,800
reminds me of a, a gal we had on
our show on one of our episodes.

807
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:02,600
And she, she was, she's a, the
head of the UFO Society of at

808
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,320
Yale.
And she had an experience like

809
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,600
two or three years ago at a
public park in the Pacific

810
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:15,200
Northwest, her and a girlfriend.
And they saw like a UFO 1st and

811
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,960
it disappeared and then they saw
like a Bigfoot or something that

812
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,880
I, she didn't describe it as
Bigfoot, but like a physical

813
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:29,240
corpial being.
And you know, just like, that's

814
00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:31,000
what I'm saying.
These, these commonalities

815
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,480
between these stories, the
scene, these lights or this, you

816
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,720
know, craft and then a Bigfoot
nearby.

817
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:42,720
It's all like so fascinating to
me how it's tied in together or

818
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:50,200
or why it appears to be anyway.
Yeah, I I'm a big book nerd.

819
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,600
I I have a lot of books back
here.

820
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:53,760
This is only one of my
libraries.

821
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:58,400
I have a library upstairs too.
Carter Bushard, you need to talk

822
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,680
to Carter.
Well, Carter Bushard's not the

823
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,080
not the route I was going to.
That's the mind speak Bigfoot.

824
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,520
But if, if she's really
interested, if you are

825
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,840
interested in the UFO Bigfoot
connection, I highly recommend

826
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,200
an author named Stan Gordon.
He's from Pennsylvania and he

827
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,960
dives really heavily into the
the entire connection between

828
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,640
Bigfoot and flying saucers or
other various UFOs, especially

829
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,760
like the the lights, like the,
the orange light, the the white

830
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,320
light that people see.
Very, very interesting.

831
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,600
I have.
I think I have a follower who

832
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,640
has met him, I think a while
back, yeah.

833
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,000
Someone told me they were in
Beijing.

834
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,440
Is he?
Still, is he still alive?

835
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:39,920
I believe he is.
I believe he is.

836
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,640
I'm.
Pretty sure a while back I had a

837
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,320
follower message me saying that
he was going to lunch with him.

838
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:49,800
Yeah, Stan Gordon is, I'm going
to be honest with you.

839
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,880
He's a he's a certain flavor,
right?

840
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:56,960
So if you don't have an open
mind when it comes to a possible

841
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,040
connection between Bigfoot and
UF OS, I would not read it.

842
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,160
But if you have an open mind,
you're willing to look down

843
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:08,240
every Ave. he he definitely
brings some really good evidence

844
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:11,400
to the table.
Does he come to any sort of

845
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,880
conclusion about why there's the
connection there?

846
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,160
I don't not in this book.
I have another book by him too.

847
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,880
I don't I just don't know where
it is.

848
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,080
And honestly not in that one
too.

849
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,760
But he has a bunch of books and
he he has to at some point very

850
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,600
early in our our time of being a
podcast.

851
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,320
I was going to reach out to him.
I probably should just to see.

852
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,680
You probably should.
Yeah, probably should.

853
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,760
You probably should.
Yeah, I guess I should.

854
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:46,320
People said it, and you know
that that's probably a question

855
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:47,600
that I could just ask him in
person.

856
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,440
That'd be really cool actually.
That would be.

857
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,560
Yeah, anybody from Pennsylvania
who is interested in Bigfoot or

858
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,760
or UF OS and possibly the
connection, I highly, highly

859
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,560
recommend Stancord and very,
very good stuff.

860
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:07,680
Isn't CJ in Pennsylvania?
He is in Pennsylvania.

861
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,040
He is.
He is better.

862
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,240
Do the thing.
Yeah, well, he quit.

863
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:16,360
So, CJ, CJ, you're dead to me.
Yeah, you're dead to us, CJ.

864
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,520
We don't even win.
Yes for CJ.

865
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,240
Yeah.
We're not going to make money

866
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:24,120
off of your feet.
Right.

867
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,640
I don't back these guys, CJ, I'm
not on their.

868
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,080
Team.
I'm on your team.

869
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,480
I want that because he still
listens to every episode.

870
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,320
He's a, he's a trooper.
Loves CJ.

871
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:35,960
Yeah, we love you even though
you're dead to us.

872
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,160
We.
Can send it to your feet too.

873
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,040
We.
Might not post them, but we

874
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,680
might to play them in the
calendar.

875
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,520
So, CJ.
Was, was the 4th corner corner

876
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,800
for us.
He was the occultist witchcraft,

877
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,840
you know, the, the paranormal,
that kind of stuff.

878
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,920
So we we really had everything
kind of.

879
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,760
That's really cool.
I mean, I like that, that

880
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,520
diversity of thought and.
Yeah, and then he left us so.

881
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,320
The arguments we would get in,
they were so good.

882
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:09,360
They were.
Good.

883
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:11,880
You'll have to.
You'll have to send us some of

884
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,440
like, your best, your best
argumentative episodes, and

885
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:15,920
we'll give it a listen.
I live for that.

886
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,560
Yeah.
Right, Yeah, I, I can't name off

887
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,520
the top of my head.
There's so many.

888
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,440
There's so many.
See, this face is fake.

889
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,280
The Babe.
I don't think he was in that

890
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,760
one.
He wasn't, but that was pretty

891
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,320
argumentative.
Oh.

892
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,680
Yes.
Dinosaurs are fake.

893
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,240
Yep.
We got heated in that one.

894
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,720
We've had some some classic
arguments on this show.

895
00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:44,080
Usually when I say something is
fake it gets pretty heated,

896
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,520
yeah.
We're still waiting on the nukes

897
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:48,600
are fake.
He hasn't.

898
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,520
He hasn't come to the.
Back, you guys are waiting on

899
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,360
the nukes are fake.
You're waiting on Gravity's

900
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,520
fake.
I mean, listen, OK.

901
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:58,280
Look, well, Jeff is Jeff is this
sort of guy.

902
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,720
So he's just like he's like, I'm
not saying that nukes are fake,

903
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:04,160
even though he just said it.
He's like, I'm just saying that

904
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,760
I've never seen a nuke.
I know there's large explosions.

905
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,200
That doesn't mean it's nuclear
or gravity.

906
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,880
Well, gravity is just a term
that people place on, you know,

907
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,080
the idea of if you drop
something, it falls to the

908
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,360
ground.
That doesn't mean that it's

909
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:18,760
gravity.
It's just what they call it.

910
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:23,680
I'm like, I'm just gonna leave.
I'm done.

911
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,480
Oh.
Man, have you met my son?

912
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,520
I feel like he will argue about
anything I say so.

913
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,480
Listen, I can make some pretty
good arguments.

914
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,240
I've changed these guys minds on
more than one thing.

915
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:43,000
So with you 3 bringing such a
different perspectives, I mean,

916
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:47,720
what is your thought on just,
you know, is there ultimate

917
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:49,640
truth?
I mean, if everybody is always

918
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,560
having their own beliefs and you
all think that you're right, I

919
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,920
mean, how are you ever supposed?
I mean, are you just saying, OK,

920
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,120
I'm good to just, you know, this
is my belief and I can respect

921
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,160
your belief?
Or do you take it that step

922
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:06,000
further of like, no one of us is
right and the rest of you are

923
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,000
wrong, but then you all think
you're right and the rest of you

924
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,480
are wrong?
Like how do you kind of navigate

925
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,360
that?
So the problem with that is that

926
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,320
I think that's like the
scientific method is to allow

927
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:23,520
for the possibility of even
myself being wrong.

928
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,000
But the problem is with the
topics that we cover.

929
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,640
I mean, a Snallygaster would
have to breakthrough my window

930
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,080
for me to believe the
Snallygasters exist, right?

931
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,680
Like, like I'd have to see one
straight up.

932
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:44,920
So I mean, we, we don't really
take that approach.

933
00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:48,480
It's kind of like, here's our
hard stance on it, but I could

934
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,720
be wrong type stuff, right?
Because you know, when it comes

935
00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:56,160
to Bigfoot, whether or not he's
able to mind speak or it's able

936
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,320
to mind speak or it has a
connection with UFOs or in my

937
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,800
mind, it's just another animal
that God created because they,

938
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,080
we had the Gigantopithecus at
some point, some point people

939
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,920
cross from Asia over the Bering
Straight land bridge and got in

940
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,840
North America and we got Native
Americans and all this sort of

941
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,480
stuff.
Why didn't animals do the same

942
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,640
thing?
You know, so that's that's where

943
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,960
I fall in that category.
But when with any of these

944
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,120
things, with aliens, with the
idea that maybe there's

945
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:28,040
pterodons flying around in South
America somewhere and or you

946
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:35,400
know, that there's gargoyles in,
in Puerto Rico, Puerto Rico, the

947
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,560
Puerto Rican gargoyles or the
Chupacabra exists or whatever it

948
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:44,680
is, there is ultimate truth.
We just don't know it, right?

949
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,760
There is an ultimate, yes, this
exists or no, this does not

950
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,520
exist, but we don't know it.
So when it comes to those sorts

951
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:53,400
of topics.
Right.

952
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:59,160
It's very much like these are my
opinions on it, but it could

953
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,040
always change when it came to
the hollow Earth.

954
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,920
I'm just like, I'm not buying
what Admiral Byrd had to say

955
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,520
about his journey to the hollow
Earth.

956
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:11,360
Could it exist?
I guess I, you know, there's no

957
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,040
way for me to know because I'm,
I'm not physically myself going

958
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:19,200
to take a trip to Antarctica to
go find the giant hole in the

959
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,560
ground to go explorer to see if
there's a hollow Earth.

960
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,400
I'm just it's never going to
happen.

961
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,440
You know, I don't have any funds
for that sort of nonsense.

962
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:31,480
I got bills right.
So but so a lot of these topics

963
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,720
that we have yes, there is an
ultimate truth.

964
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:39,520
Now we don't know it right,
except for when it comes to I

965
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:44,680
would say the only thing where I
am 100% you can't shake me is on

966
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,000
my faith in Christ.
Like that's it, right.

967
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,240
So is that my?
Question, Jake.

968
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,400
What's that?
How do you?

969
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,320
How are you so sure about that
and nothing else?

970
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,520
Like when you say when and I'm
not trying to be disrespectful

971
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:04,160
at all, but when you say like,
if I see, you know, I have to

972
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:08,520
see a chupacabra or I have to
what it?

973
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:14,680
Why is it different with God?
I would say the history science

974
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:17,640
backing itself into the Bible
constantly through scientific

975
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:24,520
discoveries the the culture at
the time of Jesus.

976
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:28,880
Like even non Christian
historians and paleontologists.

977
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,920
Archaeologists that mean not
paleontologists.

978
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,200
Archaeologists agree that Jesus
existed, right?

979
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,760
They agree that he had a bunch
of followers that went to their

980
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,640
death.
Very rarely do people actually

981
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:45,040
allow themselves to be executed
for things they know is a lie.

982
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,440
So they 100% believe that they
saw what they saw.

983
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:53,200
So there's the historical aspect
of it, the cultural aspect of

984
00:57:53,200 --> 00:58:00,440
it, of of his existence, the way
that there's portions of the

985
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:05,560
Bible where it's like Mary and
Mary Magdalene was the first one

986
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:09,920
to go to Jesus tomb.
If this was a fantasy thing

987
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:14,840
written by Jewish, you know,
authors of the time to this

988
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,520
great guy that we know named
Jesus, they would never have a

989
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,960
woman discovering the the empty
tomb first.

990
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,120
It would always be a man because
culturally the woman was, you

991
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:30,920
know, underneath the man, right?
So there's just a lot of that.

992
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:37,920
So for you, it's still, there's
still, you still use evidence to

993
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:43,000
persuade or to, to support your
belief system, like evidence of

994
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:47,000
other people's testimony, other
people's, you know, in the same

995
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,280
way that, you know, somebody, a
group of people, you know, might

996
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:55,080
see UFOs together, you know, I
mean, like, see what I'm saying?

997
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:59,560
There's there's, there's still
historical evidence, like

998
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:04,080
earlier when we were talking
about, you know, technology and,

999
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:09,440
and, and Black Ops, you know,
government, but like we're

1000
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,360
talking about, you know, 50,
sixty, 7080 years ago.

1001
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,400
Like did this stuff exist then?
You know, there's still people

1002
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,560
back then that were testifying
to these things.

1003
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:19,640
So it's like.
I'm not saying that they didn't

1004
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:24,000
see what they saw, I'm just
saying that they're wrong, you

1005
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,800
know?
Well, how come Mary Magdalene

1006
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,120
wasn't wrong?
Like, I mean, what convinces you

1007
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,360
of that story versus what other
people saw?

1008
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,160
I I, you know, I again, sure,
maybe I'm just starting a debate

1009
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:37,160
having just.
Playing well.

1010
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:38,600
You're just playing devil's
advocate.

1011
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,000
It's OK, yeah.
No, I mean, you know, that's,

1012
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:42,640
that's true.
You know, we could have our own

1013
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,160
bias and stuff.
Yeah, I.

1014
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,640
Think there's something to say
because like I'm not necessarily

1015
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,360
me me and Jacob had long talks
about this before right and

1016
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,000
they're not the religious type,
but I do have like a spiritual

1017
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,200
tendency I guess, right like I,
I believe in some form of higher

1018
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:05,680
power right but I I think.
Really what happens is like when

1019
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:10,840
you start to think about
something that's on that level,

1020
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,040
like that's why they call it
faith first of all, right, like

1021
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,240
you have to just put faith into
something, right?

1022
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,760
Whatever religion it is or
whatever your faith goes into,

1023
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,720
you just put the faith into it.
There's no way to prove one way

1024
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,680
or the other, but there's
something to be said about the

1025
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,800
fact that like the, the Bible
itself, whether or not it's been

1026
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,480
manipulated throughout history,
the the fact remains that that

1027
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,280
the book has lasted through
history and encoded within that

1028
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:34,880
book are important pieces,
right?

1029
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:36,520
This is something I've always
been interested in, right?

1030
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,840
All that Bible code shit back in
the day, there's all these

1031
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,480
people that talk about, Hey,
look, you can, you can find

1032
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,240
information encoded in this
Bible, whether it's like

1033
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:51,320
chemistry related stuff like how
they encode the colors and and

1034
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,960
things like this, how the church
was putting this stuff in the

1035
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,160
book back in the days, just
that.

1036
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,120
And it's in and of itself, all
the information that has tracked

1037
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:05,480
its way through 2000 plus years
through history is a miracle in

1038
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,000
itself, right?
So me not being a religious

1039
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:12,800
person per SE, still hold that
information and like the

1040
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:16,120
historical information in that
book and all the other stuff

1041
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,600
that's secretly encoded.
And maybe some of it's not, but

1042
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:20,400
there is definitely some stuff
in there.

1043
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:25,120
Like to me, like I hold that on
some pedestal, right?

1044
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:29,000
It's not just.
It's not just another book or

1045
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:30,320
another story.
Right.

1046
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,800
And I would say the same for any
of these major religious texts,

1047
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,040
right?
You could dig one out of a cave

1048
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,440
right now for some culture that
none of us talk about.

1049
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,200
And I would, I would say the
same thing.

1050
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,240
I'd be like, wow, that lasted
8000 years in that cave and

1051
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,880
we're digging it up today to
read it and translate it with AI

1052
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,440
or whatever it is.
Like there's a reason for that,

1053
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,280
right?
So there's something there, at

1054
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,960
least from my perspective.
So I think going back to your

1055
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,840
question, like how do we come to
terms with some of the stuff

1056
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,560
with each other?
Sometimes is we kind of leave a

1057
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:58,680
little bit of room, at least I
do.

1058
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,160
I like to leave room for that
kind of thing, right.

1059
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,920
So when I, when I go on a
tangent about like, hey, man,

1060
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,560
you know, weather modifications,
real, you know, I'm not

1061
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,800
necessarily saying, hey, they're
creating hurricanes or anything,

1062
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,720
not necessarily saying that they
are steering them or anything

1063
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,440
like that.
I'm just saying like they could

1064
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,280
be.
And if you were them and you

1065
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,160
could do it, would you?
And that's kind of you just

1066
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,680
leave enough room so at the end
of the episode, we could cut it

1067
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,520
somewhere and be like, all
right, look, man, we agree

1068
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,160
enough.
That's that's a good point

1069
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:31,320
because you know, the Bible in
itself is 40 different authors

1070
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,800
over 1500 years talking about
people's walk with God that they

1071
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,080
couldn't meet up to his
standards.

1072
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,800
And so God said, all right,
well, you guys suck, so I'm

1073
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,880
going to do it for you.
And all I require for me from

1074
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,080
you is a relationship with me.
That's all it is.

1075
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,000
The platypus exists and the
Bible doesn't say anything about

1076
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,720
the platypus.
So there is room for scientific

1077
01:02:52,720 --> 01:03:01,000
discovery and zoological
discovery and discovery of other

1078
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,320
types of history, right?
It doesn't go into the history

1079
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,920
of the Mongols in the Bible, but
we know that the Mongols

1080
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:10,200
existed, right?
So it's like, you know, with the

1081
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:16,680
exception of who I say Jesus is
and what Jesus did for humanity,

1082
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:22,720
a lot is is left open and very
rarely and very rarely.

1083
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,720
Alien life too.
I mean, God could have created

1084
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:29,880
alien life across the Galaxy.
It certainly could, and to that

1085
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,720
I would say that I find it to be
incredibly unlikely just because

1086
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:41,440
of the lack of evidence of
aliens besides Uaps and UFOs and

1087
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,280
onesie twosie events where
people say they actually had

1088
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,040
contact.
But when it really boils down to

1089
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:51,680
it, it's nothing more than just
their saying them saying I had

1090
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,400
this experience, right?
There's a whole new real other.

1091
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:59,120
Explanation, right, Yeah, so and
very rarely in our podcast do we

1092
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:05,840
ever get into heart like we're
not bringing on a Islamic imam,

1093
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,840
right?
We're not bringing a Buddhist

1094
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:09,880
monk on and being like, well,
what do you believe?

1095
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:11,320
Right.
So there's never really an

1096
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,960
opportunity where I'm going to
have a full on, you know,

1097
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:21,280
faith-based debate with someone.
And I don't think that there's

1098
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,600
anyone here on the show that
would ever, that, you know,

1099
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,520
between Jeff or Jeremy that
would ever say Jesus existed as

1100
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:28,880
a person.
Now, they might say he, you

1101
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,080
know, his deity ship is in
question.

1102
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:34,120
And that's, you know, of course,
what Jeff said where faith comes

1103
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:37,280
in.
But yeah, I mean, as far as I'm

1104
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:41,160
concerned with it when it comes
to aliens, I mean, there's

1105
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:44,200
probably some cool looking cows
somewhere on another planet, you

1106
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:45,960
know, I mean, like, why not,
right?

1107
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,360
A cool science experiment or
whatever.

1108
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:55,000
But I mean, it's like it just
for me, it's, it's if we were to

1109
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:59,000
take all the spiritual stuff out
of aliens, Uaps and all that

1110
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:00,520
sort of stuff.
If I took all that stuff off the

1111
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:06,800
table and I just said that there
is a physical being out there

1112
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:10,840
that tends to visit us from time
to time, well, then I would need

1113
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:14,040
physical evidence for that,
right?

1114
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:18,520
And they just, it's lacking now,
whether that's because of

1115
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:22,880
government cover ups or because
they just kind of zip in and zip

1116
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:24,640
out and that's it.
That's all they're doing is kind

1117
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:26,680
of observing stuff like that.
Well, all right, well, that's

1118
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,600
cool.
But there's still a lack of that

1119
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,520
hardcore physical evidence.
Like, I won't want to show up on

1120
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:36,520
the news, right, or whatever it
is, right, If they're so big

1121
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:38,600
into, like, all the stuff going
on in the world.

1122
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,880
OK, Well then have a meeting
with NATO.

1123
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,760
Well, what about the like the
implants, the implant

1124
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:48,480
phenomenon, Like there's so many
people that have had things

1125
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,800
taken out of their body like
metallic objects.

1126
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:53,200
I'm sure Chris could speak to
that.

1127
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,360
Does that qualify as evidence to
you?

1128
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:59,000
No, because a human being could
do that to someone.

1129
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,240
I could I could have thrown Jeff
when he was visiting my house in

1130
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,760
the ice bath and taken all of
his both of his kidneys out.

1131
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:08,720
Doesn't mean it was the aliens,
right?

1132
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,960
So I mean.
Well, there is, there's

1133
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,960
definitely like my lab projects.
How advanced are you guys

1134
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:16,920
familiar with my labs?
I talked about this a lot,

1135
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:20,800
military abductions.
And again, military is is kind

1136
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:24,120
of a psyop term in itself
because it's probably not the

1137
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,520
military.
It's probably some right secret.

1138
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:27,560
Other corporations.
Yeah.

1139
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:32,440
These my lab operations where
they abduct people and pretend

1140
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:34,680
that it's aliens.
Those those operations have

1141
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,560
existed.
How advanced they are, I don't

1142
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:38,240
know.
Was it just like them pulling up

1143
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,560
in a suburban dressed up as
aliens and like they drug you

1144
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:43,080
and like you think that you got
abducted?

1145
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:47,520
Or are they pulling up in some
like super advanced UAP that we

1146
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,280
just had no idea that exists
since the 70s or whatever?

1147
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:52,920
You know what I mean?
Like either one is possible.

1148
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,960
And there's been whistleblowers
that have come out and said that

1149
01:06:56,520 --> 01:07:01,200
the more extreme has happened.
So I it's possible that none of

1150
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,040
this is aliens is what all I'm
saying.

1151
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:08,040
This is why I went back to 95%
of this is probably here Honor.

1152
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:13,040
Jeff is definitely like my
grounding point when it comes to

1153
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:16,000
aliens because he's he's, I
mean, he'll pull up a patent for

1154
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:23,720
the tier 3B or for a non
gasoline, you know, anti gravity

1155
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:28,320
defying, you know, propulsion
system that the federal

1156
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,800
government has and they'll just
whip it out and send a link to

1157
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:32,680
it.
You can read the entire, you

1158
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:37,720
know, the entire whatever it is
patent on it and it's just like.

1159
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:41,160
Because they back engineered the
alien craft and that's how the

1160
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,360
that's how the government has
it, guys.

1161
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,560
Obviously, but it's like, so you
know, I'll I'll hear stuff like

1162
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:52,080
this and I'll be like, well, I'm
being clearly, you know.

1163
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:53,200
I think.
There's.

1164
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,200
It's just heard.
It's our own folks.

1165
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,400
They're just, you know, doing
wild stuff.

1166
01:07:58,040 --> 01:07:59,760
I don't know where I heard this,
but I've heard it.

1167
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:03,200
And it makes perfect sense to me
that the intelligence agencies

1168
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:10,000
have an incentive to cede the
public with alien propaganda.

1169
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,920
The incentive is, is if, if
we're creating something that's

1170
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,880
just like so far ahead of the of
whatever Iran trying to take

1171
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,279
your pick, right, wherever the
enemy is today, if, if we're

1172
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:23,720
developing something that's so
far advanced, we don't want them

1173
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,120
to know anything about it,
right?

1174
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:30,240
It's perfectly reasonable for
them to like propagate the news

1175
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:34,000
cycle and like take over.
Like when they had all the news

1176
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,319
covering the UAP hearings and
stuff like that and was like,

1177
01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:39,680
oh, everybody was like, Oh my
God, is disclosure gonna happen?

1178
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:41,720
Like everybody like, no, it's a
distraction.

1179
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:43,560
No, it's not.
It's not really a distraction.

1180
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,200
It's just they're muddying the
water.

1181
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,640
They're just like, we don't know
where this is.

1182
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,760
And, and dude is like, yeah,
there's biologicals we got, we

1183
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:53,160
got biologics that we've
recovered and shit.

1184
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,800
And it's like, dude, you're
being super vague and like that

1185
01:08:55,800 --> 01:09:00,359
could mean anything, right?
So to me, it's not really

1186
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:02,359
aliens.
They don't have to back engineer

1187
01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:04,120
this stuff.
I mean, a lot of this technology

1188
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:07,439
is, is stuff that they that
people have explained, right?

1189
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,040
Like mathematicians.
I've sat and listened to like 6

1190
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,640
hour podcast with some of these
nerds that explain how this

1191
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:14,840
could be done.
There's no reason to think that,

1192
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,000
like, a couple billionaires
could roll some of them together

1193
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:20,880
and be like, yo, let's make this
happen and just, you know, just

1194
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:26,080
be quiet.
I mean, I, I can get on board

1195
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:27,920
with that to a point.
I mean, but back to the

1196
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,800
government being competent.
I mean, for them to pull off, I

1197
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:35,439
mean, for them to pull off like,
let's like make this propaganda,

1198
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,960
but we can't make it too much.
Like we have to walk this

1199
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:42,479
perfect line of making sure that
we're seating yet not going

1200
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,200
overboard so people don't freak
out because we don't want to

1201
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,720
like have to deal with the fact
that we could be accused of a

1202
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:50,560
cover up.
I mean, you're talking a very

1203
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:56,280
detailed complicated like
spanning decades and decades

1204
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:59,440
where this would have had to be
passed down through generation

1205
01:09:59,440 --> 01:10:01,520
to generation to generation.
I mean, what you're talking

1206
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:05,520
about would just to pull that
off like that just doesn't seem

1207
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:09,560
like it just seems way more like
way more believable than it is

1208
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,960
actually aliens and like someone
trying to pull off this huge

1209
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:14,200
complicated plan.
Does that make?

1210
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:17,040
Sense I don't it does and, but I
don't think it'd be as

1211
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,560
complicated as it might seem.
I mean, if you, if you own, if

1212
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:24,800
you own, you know, all of the
major media corporations through

1213
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:28,400
from like the 40s on, up until
the Internet comes out, which

1214
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,880
they did, right?
You have a chokehold on all

1215
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:33,480
information.
This is why nobody knew about

1216
01:10:33,480 --> 01:10:34,920
Epstein.
This is why nobody knew about

1217
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:36,320
Diddy.
This is why nobody knew about

1218
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,400
any of the crazy shit that's
been happening that we're all

1219
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,200
starting to figure out now.
But it eventually comes out.

1220
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,440
That's what that's what we're
trying to say, is that it

1221
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:45,480
eventually comes out because
people can't keep their mouth

1222
01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:47,720
shut.
And you know, I've I've.

1223
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,080
Probably this will come out too.
It is coming out.

1224
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:52,880
I've brought this up a dozen
times on the show before.

1225
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:56,520
Jake and I are both military
vets, and Chris, you, you could

1226
01:10:56,520 --> 01:11:04,480
probably attest to this too.
The military is, it sucks and

1227
01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:07,240
it's it's not good at what
everyone thinks it does.

1228
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,680
Not efficient, it's not.
Yeah.

1229
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:10,880
This is why I always go back to
that.

1230
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,480
I struggle with sorry.
One question I have is like you

1231
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:17,720
guys being aviation, maybe you
can answer this for me because

1232
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:22,320
one of the things I have a hard
time believing is that we would

1233
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:29,880
send, you know, military tests,
Black Ops, green triangles over

1234
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:34,560
a ship in the San Diego Bay, not
notify anyone.

1235
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:39,960
And, and like, like, why would
we attack our own like, or

1236
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:45,000
expect to display this, this
technology over our own ships

1237
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,960
and not expect them to react or
attack or do?

1238
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,480
Why would we do it there?
Why would why would they do that

1239
01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:51,920
constantly?
It seems like.

1240
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,640
Right, We wouldn't.
And this is exactly why I think

1241
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,000
that it's not the the
government, right?

1242
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:58,560
You're right, the government's
incompetent.

1243
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:01,000
They can't build roads.
So yeah, I'm with you, 100.

1244
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:02,440
Percent on that.
Very incompetent.

1245
01:12:02,440 --> 01:12:05,640
It's not the government, it, you
know, there's probably like a

1246
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:06,960
handful of.
People.

1247
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:09,400
There's.
Boeing for people, one of them,

1248
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,600
Yeah.
Boeing rate fee online, Martin

1249
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,720
Northrop Grumman.
I mean, dude, take your pick.

1250
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:18,160
BlackRock is probably funneling
so much money through so many

1251
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:21,320
shell companies that are going
into companies that none of us

1252
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:23,800
ever even heard about, right?
Like I just listed off like five

1253
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:25,520
of them that we all know of,
right?

1254
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,680
There's probably 5000 of them
that nobody knows of, right?

1255
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,440
It's called ABC Incorporated or
whatever the hell it is, and

1256
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:34,400
it's some black budget program.
But if the government can't be

1257
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:37,040
cohesive, what makes you think
that another group could be

1258
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,360
cohesive and do that?
Because the private sector, the

1259
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:40,800
private sector better at
everything.

1260
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:48,080
Money, I think I mean because,
well, let's look at the, you

1261
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:51,520
know, like you said, totally off
topic, but like the ditty thing,

1262
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,440
I mean, they can only keep it
quiet for like 30 years or so,

1263
01:12:54,440 --> 01:12:56,000
right?
I mean, there's, there seems

1264
01:12:56,000 --> 01:13:01,720
like a limit on people's ability
to keep seeing silent despite

1265
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:05,920
the power, the money, the
influence, the fear, You know,

1266
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:11,560
it just seems like at some point
things first, you know?

1267
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:13,760
I want to, I want to just
respond to what you said like

1268
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:15,600
you can't change human
psychology.

1269
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,640
And you're absolutely right.
I'm, I, I agree, the people that

1270
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:22,000
are doing this behind the
scenes, not government, right?

1271
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,520
These, these people, this, I
call it the breakaway

1272
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:27,400
civilization because to me
that's what it really is, right?

1273
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,360
They're shitty people in my
opinion, They're corrupt.

1274
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:32,880
They're they're pulling strings
behind the scene that are making

1275
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:37,160
our society a living hell.
So it's not, you know, I'm not

1276
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,440
claiming that like they're doing
a great job with all of this.

1277
01:13:40,440 --> 01:13:41,920
I'm they're doing a terrible
job.

1278
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,880
They're fudging it up.
They're using this free energy

1279
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,000
technology or whatever else they
have in ways that they shouldn't

1280
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,120
be.
And it's fucking everything up.

1281
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,240
Right.
So I'm with you on all of I

1282
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:53,640
agree.
I think we both agree.

1283
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:58,000
I just think that maybe like the
possibilities of what they're

1284
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,080
able to do.
And when I say they, I'm talking

1285
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:03,040
about the breakaway people.
Yeah, I think, I think that they

1286
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,320
can do more than we think they
can.

1287
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,800
That's that's super secret group
of people that run the world.

1288
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,320
They're not even super secret.
There's a handful of them in

1289
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,000
government.
There's a handful of them that

1290
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:16,120
own like corporations, a few
billionaires, a few Saudi

1291
01:14:16,480 --> 01:14:18,160
Princess that are trillionaires,
you know?

1292
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:20,640
Yeah, it's just a handful.
People right?

1293
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:23,760
No.
Some of them.

1294
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:25,800
Are not all.
Of them.

1295
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,040
That's the whole thing, too.
I could go on a rant about that

1296
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,160
because I know it's a joke and
we all joke about the lizard

1297
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:32,600
people.
Think I joke about the lizard

1298
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:36,760
people thing, but no person who
really understands that

1299
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,760
conspiracy thinks that anybody's
actually a lizard.

1300
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:42,440
That's not the I always go on
these in debate, like when I do

1301
01:14:42,440 --> 01:14:44,280
debates with flat about Flat
Earth, right.

1302
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:48,280
I don't think the earth is flat.
I just understand what the flat

1303
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:50,600
earthers really think, not what
everybody thinks they think.

1304
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:53,600
So I'll I'll debate on their
behalf, right, Yes, yes.

1305
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:57,040
So yes.
No, I I actually love this

1306
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:58,520
conversation.
This has been so good.

1307
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,720
Good this is.
What we do, this is every

1308
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,680
episode.
This is our argument, yeah.

1309
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:10,000
I love it, I love it.
Yeah, I feel.

1310
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:12,160
Go ahead.
No, go ahead, please.

1311
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:13,480
Chris, I really didn't have
anything.

1312
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:14,400
Oh.
No.

1313
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:19,360
OK, well, shoot, I mean, we we
went down a bunch of rabbit

1314
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,800
holes there.
Yep.

1315
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:25,160
I hate, I hate, hate to cut it
short, but we're already.

1316
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,360
Yep, an hour and a half into
this recording.

1317
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,480
Yeah.
And Jeff is probably freaking

1318
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:31,160
out right now.
Yeah.

1319
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:33,840
My bedtime was when we started.
Look at them.

1320
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:34,720
Wow.
I didn't realize.

1321
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:36,600
It was that far in right it
goes.

1322
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,000
Fast here in the Internet?
That's crazy.

1323
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:40,280
So much fun.
Look at Jeff.

1324
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:42,480
Look at him, he's all tuckered.
Out look at him.

1325
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:46,280
The chats been going great.
The chat is packed.

1326
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,400
People have been blowing up the
chat this whole time.

1327
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,160
Do we have anything in the chat
that we need to?

1328
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:54,640
Need to ask does anybody in the
chat have any questions for

1329
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,080
Chris or Ariel?
Well?

1330
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:58,560
Wollen said.
I worked at Northrop.

1331
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,920
Grumman had a secret clearance
and couldn't see the F35 so they

1332
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,720
can keep a lot of stuff silent
with top secret.

1333
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,000
Security clearance is usually a
reason for it.

1334
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,000
So our enemies can't get the
layouts for any of it.

1335
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:09,920
Right.
And This is why I don't think

1336
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:12,160
the military's involved too,
because it's just too much risk

1337
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,000
for the military to do this
stuff.

1338
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:17,600
It's it's just assholes who
probably had a contract with the

1339
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:21,440
military at some point, right,
to develop the SR3B or whatever

1340
01:16:21,440 --> 01:16:23,640
it was, right.
And once that contract was done

1341
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:25,600
and they were done and their
clearances were pulled and all

1342
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:27,360
that shit, they had some
knowledge.

1343
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:29,000
They were like, wait a minute,
dude, there's free energy

1344
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,560
technology.
Like we could just get together

1345
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:33,800
some other people, some some
billionaires and so on.

1346
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:35,240
And we can just do our own thing
on the side.

1347
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,520
Nobody will know about it.
And by the time we have some

1348
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,960
device and the government finds
out about it, well, we've got

1349
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:41,400
the device.
So what are they going to do?

1350
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:44,560
You know, And I think that's
kind of what happened.

1351
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:46,200
I don't think Jeff is.
That tired.

1352
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:48,600
Based on.
He's still, he's still going,

1353
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:49,960
he's still going.
So tired.

1354
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:52,120
Look at him.
I just get he's basically

1355
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:53,400
sleeping.
This is.

1356
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:55,800
Yeah, I'm in a.
Flow state I could do this

1357
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:56,320
while.
I'm sleeping.

1358
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,880
He's awake while sleeping, just
like, just like Chris.

1359
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,640
Yeah, there you go.
There you go.

1360
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:03,640
Yeah.
This is his eyes open.

1361
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:06,040
It's weird he Astro projects.
Into.

1362
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:09,120
Into Lockheed Martin's, like,
top secret bunkers.

1363
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:11,240
And then he comes back on the
show and tells us about it and

1364
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:13,840
we're like, you're full of crap,
you're an idiot.

1365
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:20,240
No, I've seen it.
Well, this has been so much.

1366
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:22,200
Fun guys, we really.
Appreciate you.

1367
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:25,400
Inviting us on and just chilling
and having an awesome

1368
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:27,120
conversation.
I hope we can do it again

1369
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:28,880
sometime.
Yeah, for sure.

1370
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:30,800
Just fun.
All right, so I'm gonna go.

1371
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,600
Ahead and close out if you guys
can just hang.

1372
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:36,400
On just a minute after we shut
down, we'll just go over a few

1373
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:41,600
things before we do though, do
you let's get you guys to share

1374
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:45,680
your, your, your, your socials
and any other links, websites,

1375
01:17:46,480 --> 01:17:49,880
platforms that you would like to
share with all listeners of the

1376
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,360
Infinite Rabbit Hole.
Go ahead, Ariel.

1377
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:55,280
Yeah, you can.
Find me on XA.

1378
01:17:55,280 --> 01:18:02,840
KA Twitter at AES Sky Watcher
and our YouTube is the elephant

1379
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:07,240
in the room 411.
So there's several Elephant in

1380
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:10,800
the Room podcast, but ours is
the Elephant in the Room 411 on

1381
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:14,000
YouTube, right, Chris?
Yes, I was just looking it up to

1382
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:17,360
make sure because.
I'm really bad about that.

1383
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:23,200
So yeah, Elephant in the Room
411 is how you will find us.

1384
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:25,520
Right on.
And I'm.

1385
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:34,320
Chris Devine, I'm pretty much.
Only on Twitter and yeah love

1386
01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:37,400
and I do have a a YouTube
channel which has a few videos

1387
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:40,560
and hopefully one day I'll have
more better videos to upload

1388
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,000
there when I get some help with
that.

1389
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:47,200
But yeah it's we'd love for you
guys to follow us and and and

1390
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:51,120
join our show and we'd love to
have you guys return the favor

1391
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:53,200
and have you guys come join our
show one day That would be

1392
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:59,760
amazing Love talking about this
subject and it's been fun.

1393
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,800
I really really appreciate the
invite and different like

1394
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:04,760
differing opinions never scare
us like.

1395
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,320
We're always up for it.
We we enjoy it.

1396
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,640
We love getting other people's
perspective.

1397
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:11,520
So this is this is definitely
our jam.

1398
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:14,120
Good stuff.
Good.

1399
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:20,840
Jeff went ahead and linked your
socials in the chat.

1400
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:24,320
I think, I think the highest we
got to today was 15 people.

1401
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:26,760
We've only been doing Twitch for
a few weeks.

1402
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:29,760
Our been about been about a
month now, right Something like

1403
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,800
that, maybe a month now if you
are.

1404
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,280
Watching right now on.
Twitch and you're not following

1405
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:39,680
or whatever you can do on Twitch
is a follow or subscribe right

1406
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,800
now follow we're a few short and
then we.

1407
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,200
Can get subscribers.
If you're not following, please

1408
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:46,480
hit the follow button.
Help us get.

1409
01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:49,800
To our 50 followers so that we
can become what is it?

1410
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:51,840
What are we're trying to become?
Jeff Affiliates.

1411
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,240
Thanks, man.
You finished my sentences.

1412
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:56,040
It's like we're trying.
To become what's it called?

1413
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:58,960
Affiliate Affiliates.
Yeah.

1414
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:02,320
Just just another way to make
money off podcasts.

1415
01:20:02,440 --> 01:20:04,400
It's yeah.
Hey, yeah.

1416
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,960
I mean, we only get I think.
We get like 1/2 a penny per play

1417
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:13,040
through a Spotify, so it's not
much, but it opens up formations

1418
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:14,720
and things like that.
So right, that's.

1419
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:19,680
True for those who died said go
to.

1420
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,280
Bed, Jeff.
Go to bed, dude.

1421
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:28,120
All right.
Well, Jake, Jeff, you guys got

1422
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:33,200
anything to say before we leave?
Goodnight, Ariel.

1423
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:35,720
Chris, thanks for.
Coming on the show, thanks for

1424
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:39,600
having a a fun little.
I wouldn't call it a debate, but

1425
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:43,520
a discussion where we disagreed
with everything we said.

1426
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:48,160
It was fun.
I would like.

1427
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:51,680
To come on I I think I'd speak
for all the guys we'd like to

1428
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:53,680
come on your guys's show.
I think it'd be pretty dope.

1429
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,920
So it'd be a be a fun time.
But yeah, thanks for for.

1430
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:58,560
Hanging out with us for an hour.
And a half.

1431
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:00,120
Yeah, that's great.
Yeah, you bet.

1432
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:02,000
Awesome.
Thank you guys for having us.

1433
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:02,600
It was.
Fun.

1434
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:05,800
I love it.
Let's keep up the dialogue and

1435
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:08,200
keep up the conversation.
I think that's what the world

1436
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,440
needs.
I mean, if nothing else, it

1437
01:21:10,440 --> 01:21:14,520
opens up our curiosity and our
mind and, and you know, and it

1438
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:19,480
keeps, I think having more
conversations like this takes

1439
01:21:19,480 --> 01:21:21,840
the other difficult
conversations in life that none

1440
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:23,880
of us like to have, like about
politics.

1441
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,000
But, you know, those are
sometimes conversations we have

1442
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:30,800
to have with each other in order
to move each other forward.

1443
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:35,520
And one thing I always like to
say, people are afraid of aliens

1444
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,680
and others and all that.
And sometimes I'm more afraid of

1445
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:41,360
each other as humans.
So these dialogues, I think, are

1446
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:45,480
what we need to just contribute
to a better society.

1447
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,880
So thank you guys for for being
open to do that.

1448
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,680
Nicely said.
Right on.

1449
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,880
Well, that has been.
Another episode of the Infinite

1450
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:57,440
Rabbit Hole podcast.
I am your host, Jeremy, and

1451
01:21:57,440 --> 01:22:01,480
we'll see you right here in the
next fork in the path of the

1452
01:22:01,480 --> 01:22:05,520
Infinite Rabbit hole.
Oh, oh, oh, and, and and hold

1453
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:10,040
on.
And and and next Sunday on

1454
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:14,400
October 20th.
Halloween costumes.

1455
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:16,240
Is what we're on.
I forgot.

1456
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:17,520
Oh, wow.
Yep, wow.

1457
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:18,560
So, Jeff?
Go.

1458
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:22,160
You better go to.
Your local Halloween store and

1459
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:24,680
buy your $5 mask.
Are we going to have been

1460
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:27,200
pulling out by a hurricane?
There is no Halloween store.

1461
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:30,320
Anymore.
Oh no, there's a spirit open.

1462
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,720
They'll they'll find like a
shipping container or something.

1463
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:37,280
I got, I already got it in I'm
yeah, all right.

1464
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:40,320
Next Sunday, anybody in the?
Chat, make sure you're here.

1465
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:42,840
It's going to be hilarious.
We're all going to look stupid.

1466
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:45,440
I love it, dude.
He's going to work.

1467
01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:47,440
Jeff's going to wear exactly
what he's wearing now.

1468
01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:53,320
And be like I'm Eminem.
No, I'm the.

1469
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:59,600
Real Slim Shady.
Oh yeah, and the topic is Men in

1470
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:01,120
Black part.
Three, where we go over

1471
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,400
encounters.
So we did all the information in

1472
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,920
Part 1, Part 2.
We're going to cover encounters

1473
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:11,400
and other stories in Part 3.
All right, well, I'm going to do

1474
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:13,360
this one more time.
That has been another episode of

1475
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:14,640
the Infinite Rabbit Hole
podcast.

1476
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:17,160
This time it's for real
travelers.

1477
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:20,600
We will see you right here in
the next fork in the path of the

1478
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:22,560
Infinite rabbit hole.
Bye, everybody.

1479
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:26,880
Bye bye.
Ariel, you guys say bye.

1480
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:35,800
Oh bye, there it is.
Hey everybody, thanks for

1481
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:37,080
checking out the Infinite
Rabbit.

1482
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:39,120
Hole Podcast.
If you're looking for more of

1483
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:42,280
our stuff, head on over to
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1484
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:45,000
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1485
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:48,520
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1486
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:50,400
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1487
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:53,400
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1488
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:56,480
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1489
01:23:56,720 --> 01:24:00,360
And until next time, travelers,
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1490
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:02,880
next fork in the path of the
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1491
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:03,840
Bye.