198. Consciousness, Quantum Computing, & 9/11

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2:02 Now let's get back to exploring the Infinite Rabbit hole. All right, with that, let's let's do a quick update on the Patreon. So let's see two days January 1st, I'll be dropping John Teeter. As of right now, I'm not finished editing yet. It will be done tomorrow. We're at two hours right now worth of John Teeter content for our first ever Patreon exclusive. Actually, I let's not say Patreon exclusive. It's going to be a subscription exclusive because we can also do a subscription service through Spotify and that's we're also going to upload it to Spotify. So if you do not like Patreon, don't worry, we got you covered. You can head on over to Spotify and grab your subscription over there too. And I am get this, get this, you guys ready for this. So Skinwalker Ranch was voted on through the social media as the number one topic to be revisited. So I took it and made it February's bonus content episode on Patreon or our subscription based services. And where it was originally 21 pages, it is now up to 49. Yeah, 49. 49 What?

3:15 49 pages worth of content so far and I still have two books left to go so if you want the deepest dive I'm I'm I'm I'm pretty confident in this. If you want the deepest dive you've ever seen in Skinwalker Ranch or into the topic of Skinwalker Ranch, head on over to Patreon in February. Check it out because it's going to be a doozy. That's a lot. Are you actually writing the book or is it audio? No this this will be audio A. 10 hour publish. These why don't you just publish these scripts as well? I could, I could I've been thinking about it because I, I currently am working on a book deal, trying trying to, to secure or finish up a book book deal. And I'm in conversations with three separate publishing companies to get a book deal done on a subject that I don't. Well, it's, it's on Elmwood, but I have also been kicking around the idea with one of the publishing companies to publish my notes in groups of 10.

4:19 So just do 10 random subjects and, and pop it out as a book because I was originally asking them, you know, should I do it where it's, I don't know, we do all UFO experiences or UFO incidents. And he was like, Nah, you should just pick 10 random topics that you did and just publish your notes, but make it unique so that people can read the script that you created. But then you can also put in your own personal feelings and thoughts about it. Like talk to the talk to the reader as you're going as if you were talking to your your Co host throughout the the presentation. And I was like, I can do that.

5:02 So maybe we'll see. I got to I want to get this other one knocked out first up at night. Are we alone in the universe and what happens to our consciousness after death? That those are the two that that I'll I'll spend hours upon hours upon hours Rd. trips just stuck in my mind thinking about. So whenever I, I do an episode on, you know, one of these psyche topics, I always get really, really into it. And I remember doing the, the write up for the Ndes and cutting it down so that we could do it in two episodes. And it was originally almost 3.

5:44 So I was like, instead of making a, a full third episode, I'll just drop it down to two. But I've recently come across some more content to where I could probably build up another two episodes off of it. There's a lot of shit out there and I want to reach out to a few DE experiencers and get them on the show. That's what I really want to do. I think that would those would be great conversations to have. Yeah, I'm going to reach out to that. That author that did like 2500, he researched like 2500 NDE stories, travelled all over the world getting people's stories and stuff like that. I think he was on the Sean Ryan show. Yeah, but I want to get him on.

6:26 Yeah, man, it's a, it's a, it's a phenomenal topic and it's AI don't know. Like I said, I'm always really, really into the whole psyche stuff and the the consciousness aspect to our lives. And if infant rabbit hole has done anything for me is proved to myself that, you know, I'm not just the guy who who really loves cryptids, right? The monsters and stuff. And you know, I still have that aspect to me, but I don't know it's, it's surpassed my love for cryptids. Looking into topics of the consciousness. That and quantum physics has just absolutely blown my mind lately too, which we could talk about here at the end, but I I absolutely love topics that have to do with consciousness. Yeah, it's interesting for sure.

7:16 I get lost completely. Yeah, Jeffrey, say things. Things. There you go. Yeah, I don't, I don't think about stuff like that. That's not what keeps me up at night. I I don't honestly don't even think about it. The only thing, the only time I think about like the inevitability of death is when I'm driving to work an hour and driving home an hour every single day. And I'm like, gosh, I hope a drunk driver doesn't crossover the lane and kill me or something like that. But usually I'm like, I think about things like, you know, if the giant van sized slugs will come back and try to take over the neighborhood again, you know? Yeah, but. Think about it as often as probably anybody else thinks about it.

7:57 But you know, I'm more interested in the just the, I don't know, I'm not so afraid of it. I guess there is more of an acceptance. So it's a. It's more interesting for like other reasons I guess. Terrified death. Absolutely terrified of it. I've lost. Days. Of sleep thinking. About it, there's, there's theories that go along with like quantum and you know, multiverse stuff where I've talked about this before. Imagine every moment, every, every possible moment, your consciousness experiences death and shifts into another parallel universe where it's not experiencing death and it's infinite, right?

8:41 So you're just riding this wave of consciousness of, of being, right? So you never actually, your consciousness will never actually experience the thing that you fear of as death, because every time it does, it shifts into a parallel universe where it's still. Conscious. There is a title for that theory. It's called quantum immortality. Yeah, there you go. So much sense. No it didn't. It didn't. That was dumb. So think about like listen it does. Them it does and. Instead of every moment in infinite Infinity, because that makes it kind of weird and hard to think about. Just think about like right now you're drinking that and boom, you just die. Because you're drinking that you drown on it for whatever reason. OK, but the moment that you die, you're and the moment that you die, your consciousness just shifts into a parallel reality where that didn't happen.

9:30 So like, we're still having this conversation and everything's normal. But in the other reality, me and Jeremy are like, shit, no. And like, but everything according to your consciousness, we're still here in this reality where that did not happen, right? So like, you know, you'll just carry on. So there's something called the quantum immortality hypothesis, because this is also something that I've been trying to stress out in my, in my research too, is the difference between a theory and a hypothesis. Somebody had pointed it out to me back when I did the aquatic ape theory. Some smart asses like, well, it's not really the aquatic ape theory as it is the aquatic ape hypothesis.

10:11 And it's like, yeah, man, I mean, you're right. But you know who's really nitpicking at that? But to clear that up, a theory is something that has evidence behind it, but has yet been proven to be true. And a hypothesis is somebody who comes up with an idea that they think is potentially true. So the aquatic ape hypothesis is what it should be called. Same thing with the stoned ape hypothesis. It should not be called a theory because there isn't any evidence that that strongly points to it. This is something where you know, in the, in the case of the stone ape theory, where somebody comes up with an idea that makes a ton of sense. And if you look deep enough, you look hard enough, you move some pieces around, you can find evidence of what you're trying to explain, but there's no document documented proof of any of the parts of your hypothesis.

11:12 Whereas in. That would be possible to prove because we don't have any fossilized brains. Well, yeah, true. But like gravity, the reason why gravity is considered a theory, or the theory of gravity or gravitational theory as some might say, is because we have a lot of strong evidence that it exists. Right? I can take my remote to my TV in here, pick it up and drop it and it's going to go down, right? There's some some sort of force that's pulling it down, right? Is it gravity? By definition? We can't say that for sure, but there's a lot of evidence that that points to it existing. So by scientific definition, it's a theory. It's not a hypothesis, right?

11:56 It it it will eventually one day be proven to be true with the correct evidence or the the amount of research that needs to be done. Would you call it again quantum immortality? Quantum immortality. It sounds cool. I'm going to use that as a as a song name at least, man. And you know what, man, if you're not, if you don't have, if anybody listening right, if you don't have a God or spirituality that you find comfort in death and that that might give you comfort in some way, some quantum immortality. So there you go. Who wants to hear that episode on quantum immortality? I would. Yeah. You know what you just said about gravity isn't necessarily true. If you're in Australia right now and you let go of your remote, it hits the ceiling.

12:41 That's why that blew everything down. Or use suction cups. That's that's why it is a a theory and not a fact. I don't understand. They use a lot of Velcro. He's he's joking. Oh, there there is some books on on theories of quantum immortality. Cool. Yeah, maybe we could definitely dive into this at some point. That'd be something I would absolutely love to do. But as of recently, whenever I'm doing research on on a topic, I always get sidetracked 100% of the time. I get sidetracked into other theories or other topics that I eventually want to do research on. And I have a running list. Actually, I should probably bring it up for you guys and show you.

13:22 It's pretty, pretty impressive. But I have a running list of topics that, you know, I, I come across while doing research. And every once in a while I'll go back to the list and find something to be like, shit, what the hell was that? So I'll Google it and it's like, oh, yeah, OK. And I'm pretty sure quantum immortality is in there. But in a lot of the topics that I cover, we end up or I end up, I end up diving into something called the multiple world theory. Have you heard about this? Maybe, I don't know. It's literally what it sounds like, right? And we we discussed it slightly in the simulation theory episodes. What's up? We're at the Finding a New Home 1. No multiple world interpretation. It literally is the physics term for the multiverse, right? It's it's the fancy word for the for the multiverse. Here.

14:14 I'll, I'll bring it up. And this alone goes hand in hand with the quantum immortality, right? So the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics is a theory that suggests that there are many parallel universes that exist simultaneously within our own. Here's some some cool. This is probably the most scientific picture I've ever seen right here. Look at this fucking thing. Jeez, give that guy an A. But yeah, so this is some pretty interesting stuff. And recently I've been diving into quantum topics of entanglement and superposition and how the the multi world interpretation lives in a state of superposition until one of those events that Jeff was talking about happens and the, the, the the universe that you live in splits into two, right?

15:15 And that's where you get the the concept of the multiple world theory super. Position. But that's just thinking of one instance, right? Like 1 instance happening to 1 observer splits off into two. But if you think about every instance in the universe happening to every observer at the same time, like your web of twos becomes infinite, right? So it's like everything is happening all at once. You know, it doesn't make sense. Like it becomes like this. That's like the math problem that they have is like it becomes like a just a a clusterfuck of everything happening at once like a singularity, I guess, but. So, so the, the best example of superposition is the example of Schrodinger's cat, which is what you see right here on the screen, right?

16:05 Where Schrodinger said that everything, every possible path in the world, especially at the quantum level. Now to clarify what the quantum level is, there's 3 levels of existence that we know of, right? There's the, the macro, the micro, and the quantum. Quantum is your, your particles of existence at the absolute smallest level possible, right? So these are your quirks, the things that make up atoms, right? This is the quantum level. And the smaller you get, the stranger that fit the laws of physics acts upon those those those tiny, it's hard to quantum, right?

16:53 Quantum particles or quantum objects. And Schrodinger's cat is is an example or Schrodinger's attempt to try to paint a picture of what's what's happening on the quantum level and how quantum particles live in a constant, constant state of superposition. So where Schrodinger's cat was put into a box with a with a vial of poison and and Schrodinger closed up the box, left the room and came back in an hour. Up until Schrodinger opened his box and looked at his cat, he that cat existed both in a superposition of dead and alive at the same time.

17:45 So without any other inputs, the cat's not moving around, it's not making noise, it's it's sitting still inside of his box. That cat is both dead and alive until it is observed in the position where superposition, the quantum aspect, a superposition fully takes on one option. So this also gets applied to the the hot topic right now, quantum computers, right? So you guys have heard of Willow, right? Willow. Willow. The quantum computer chip that Google just just created. So Willow did something really freaking cool, right? Willow was able to solve a problem here. Let's just, let's just bring this up because I'm going to, I'm going to misquote.

18:37 I'll tell you so, Willow, this new quantum chip that Google just made basically solved a problem that all of the world's supercomputers, conventional supercomputers would have taken. Like I think the number is like 24 quintillion years to solve this chip solved in like 10 minutes. Was it 42? 10 septillion it's. Not 42. The answer would be 42. Yeah, the meaning of life. Yep. Will perform. There you go. The first Willow performed a standard benchmark computation in under 5 minutes. That would take one of today's fastest supercomputers 10 septillion years.

19:20 Yep. So basically the gist of of Willow, the the reason why it's making such big waves through everything right now is because Willow did this computation so fast in comparison that to everything else that we have all the other technologies that we have the best technologies that we have that they believe that the only way for this to have happened was for Willow to harness powers of other quantum computing chips from parallel worlds. And this is. From other universes. This was something that was. Right here.

20:01 Here goes. The problem? It was some benchmark test. I'm not 100. Percent sure. It's just like a computational test. Yeah, it's like some. It's not an actual. Problem. This mind boggling number exceeds known time scales and physics and vastly exceeds the age of the universe. It lends credence to the notion that quantum computation occurs in many parallel universes, in line with the idea that we live in a multiverse prediction first made by David Deutsch. So here's the thing, right, like a few years ago, the head of CERN, I forget his name, he came out and said that they were using quantum computers to peer into parallel universes.

20:41 Parallel dimensions I think is the words he actually used parallel dimensions and to bring back data like those were his words at CERN. If this kind of subject blows your mind and you ever want to learn more about it, that guy that's referenced right there in this Google article, David Deutsch, this book right here by David, The beginning of an Infinity is an absolute mind fuck and it is an A a beautiful piece. Of work this is super interesting to me too. This is probably my, one of my most, one of the things that interest me the most in the world right now is this type of shit. Because first of all, everybody's freaking out about this Willow chip. Everybody first was like, Oh my God, like it's gonna crack encryption and like all the world's encryption's gonna go to waste.

21:28 And like, you know, there goes fucking Bitcoin and all this other stuff. And it's like, no, that's not the case because Google would never release something that would be able to like instantly crack its own encryption as well, right? Like it would just be a bad business move for Google to, to release that. Here's the thing, right, is a lot of people are freaking out about the Willow chip because they believe that it's going to make all other computing tools obsolete, right? And that's. Just not. No, it's. Not it it will it it's not eventually maybe maybe like like in 1000 years. Yeah, but the the the desktop computer didn't make the calculator obsolete. No, of course not.

22:12 But neither did your cell phone. But perhaps in like another 500 years it will have, right? Like just through the progression of technology, right? So like, yeah, of course in 1000 years, quantum computing will be like the only computing that we use as humans, right? But in our lifetimes, in any like foreseeable future, a few generations out, like, of course we're going to use like conventional computing. It's just going to get faster. And we'll also use quantum computing. But nobody will ever release something like these articles are just like super hyperbolic, right? It's to get you to be freaked out. And everybody is freaked out. And all I'm saying is that Google would never like release and no other corporation would ever release like a true quantum computing chip to the to the world or to anybody that would have any potential of cracking encryption, right? Which is something that this would be able to do if it was real or you know what I'm saying, like. But no, encryption is important.

23:07 Our entire world, our entire digital world relies on encryption. So they would never give this to anybody. So don't think that's that's true. I think the best analogy to think of here is the tool of a quantum computer is used for something completely different than what a typical computer would be used for. It's like saying I bought a boat, so now I don't need a car. It's, you know, yes, the boat is also used for transportation, but it's used for transportation in a way that a car cannot be used, right. It's, I think it's closer to that We're going to be able to do some really, really intense stuff, you know, when it comes to quantum physics and, and hypothetical theories to try to create new or, or to discover new laws of physics or even to confirm some theories or even possibly bump some hypothesises hypotheses as some would say. Hypothesis.

24:09 Up to theories, a hypothesis, yes, but I, I, it's not going to. I don't think you're ever going to have a quantum computer replace your laptop for podcasting. It's just not going to happen. Sure. Yeah, Yeah, I got. Yeah, you might be right. I don't know that's we can. I would never argue one way or the other, I guess on that. But you know, it is pretty crazy what some of this shit is doing. But what freaks me out the most is that the literally, like I said, a few years ago, they said that they were paralleling. They were doing this right. They were peering into parallel universes and bringing back data That was his worst quote UN quote. So like now they're coming out and saying, Hey, Google's got this chip that's using other chips and multi, multi verses to come to an answer that would take an an infinite number of years for our computer to fucking do. Do you know how it's doing it?

25:00 I think what's happening, man, And this is, you know, you may not agree with this, but Jake might agree with this. I think what's happening is that other entities or something in another one of these universes has has coaxed us into creating this technology. And when we're bringing back data into this universe or into this, this timeline, however you want to look at it like that data, like that's, that's faulty code, man, that's demonic and energy. That's, that's not good shit for this universe, man. Like it's you know, and I think that that's why you're seeing all kinds of fucking crazy shit happen. And that's just my opinion, but. I agree with that. But my question I guess would be what specific data or information is being brought back?

25:46 Because saying that you know, O data, it's like, OK, well that could mean a lot of different things. So think about what is that? Well, think about it in computational terms, right? Like if your computer, OK, your computer runs on like certain software, certain data, right? Certain information, OK, it's reading data in order to operate what we're doing right here on Riverside and Twitch and all this other shit, right? If you introduce some foreign data, some shit that literally is like in a code from another planet, OK, into your computer right now, what's going to happen? Your computer's going to fucking blue screen shut off, Everything's done. Stream's over, right? You're probably going to need a new computer. So I think that's what's happening like on a like on the universe level, right?

26:28 They're bringing back data. And that data could literally be viruses. It could literally be fucking, you know, demons. It could literally be like the mist, the movie, the Mist, right? Is that what it is? And the frog monsters, OK, Like, no, no, I'm not saying like a mist is going to pour over the land and like, there's going to be monsters in the mist. No, but it's like a metaphoric version of that, right? Like it could be like some shit that we're not seeing. But that's what these UFOs are, these UA PS, these orbs, these lights, you know, mysterious fucking energies and Skinwalker Ranch or wherever else you want to point at. I think that the entities, the demons have been coaxing humanity into creating portals for all of humanity.

27:10 And we're just now getting to the point in the last couple 100, like in the last 100 years where they can actually build like Hadron colliders and quantum chips. So they can really open these portals for real. So well. From a biblical perspective, the demons are already here. Sure. Right. Satan is the Lord of the sky or whatever it is, so they wouldn't have to pull anything, but they could be contacting beings that have been here since before the beginning of the universe and I guess getting their information about how the structure of the earth and why things are the way they are. And you know the boundaries of physics and things like that. Is that what you're?

27:58 You could word it however you want, right? Those portals could be as literal or as whatever, like they could be communication portals. They could be actual portals to other dimensions or other realms or other universe. I don't really know. I'm not smart enough to to tell you what it is right? It could literally be spiritual portals. You know, I'm I'd learn more into that. Like it's probably on some demonic, you know, negative energy type portals that they're trying to, you know, fuck with. Well, I only say that because I'm a conspiracy theorist #1 #2 if you look at the Google Chrome logo, it's like a 666. If you look at CERN, they got the statue of Shiva, the goddess of destruction and rebirth on the in the fucking front. You know Cern's logo IS666, right?

28:39 They just, they do the the fucking Gothard based tunnel ceremony and it's super demonic and like there's just so much shit that goes on that's. Just tons of symbolism and whatnot, yeah. So that's why I lean that way. So. That's fair. That's understandable. So yeah, I don't agree at all, but trying to think of where to start here. Let's let's go to the chat. I mean, 6 has been putting some good stuff in here, some good questions. He or let's see what's going. We don't know who the more is, the more. Oh, no, I was just. I was just trying to figure out where that question was that they were asking. A quantum computer is a computer that counts. So I'm assuming Oh yeah, right here. Quantum means the count.

29:31 That's not the definition that I not. Really. The, the definition that I know of quantum is it's basically a measurement of existence. So as I was saying, I, I think it was right before you, you jumped in, there's 3 levels of existence. There's the, the macro world, the micro level or the micro world and the quantum world. And as you go down in size, the laws of physics effects the objects in that level far different. So the quantum level lives by different physics laws than we do here at the macro level. And, you know, things like quantum entanglement and super position. And you know, like we were just talking about the, the what was it?

30:14 The damn it Jeff, what we were just talking about the, the multiple world theory, the thing, the thing man, quantum immortality, quantum immortality, right? The reason why quantum immortality exists is because decisions are being made out of particles in a state of super position on the go. So the reason why I brought up the Willow chip in the 1st place was because the way that it computes is way different than a computer does now. So a typical computer now uses things called transistors, right? So transistors are basically binary tools that give you a one or a zero, yes or no, on or off, right? And they can only exist in a state of one or the other. So right now, you know, when you when you talk about bits, like back in the day we had N64, it's got 64 bits. This is a in direct relation to how many transistors it has, how much computing power and memory that it could it could hold and use.

31:28 So now, right, if we bring up bring up the Google box, because I don't know these these answers off the top of my head. Let's go new tab bam, and we go how many transistors and an iPhone, right. And this is here you go the iPhone 15 Pro and Pro Max has 19 billion transistors in it. And this, this is yeah. So if you go to, let's say the original, let's let's go Sega Genesis, right? And not go all the way back in an it only had 6500 transistors.

32:15 Oh, the same, I'm sorry, two 250,000 compared to what? What did we say what what was the amount in the iPhone right now, 65 billion, right. So this is this is what we're talking about computing speeds and this is what it can do this is what what it can do off of simple inputs of one and ones and zeros right. So the way that computers work is or anything electronics in general works is that you put it in, you put in a request or a command and inside of it, it's computing your command with a absolutely insane amount, 68 billion fucking transistors constantly, you know, flipping back and forth between ones and zeros, creating its own language to answer your question or to perform the task that you wanted to do. Now, the difference between a typical computer and a quantum computer is that instead of using bits, it's using something called a qubit.

33:17 Now qubit is, is similar to a transistor, right? But instead of living in in a state of either one or zero, it can live in a state of one or zero or both at the same time. So let me show you what a what is a bit in computer and we'll look at a image of this, right? So here's a bit. OK, like I said, it's all binary ones and zeros. Oh yes, a bit. And if you go and then you go into what is a cubit in quantum computing?

34:02 So here, instead of having the the only possibility of being right here zero and one right, like you would in a typical bit, you have the the possibility of it being a one and a zero at the same time, a zero and a zero at the same time, A1 and A1 at the same time, A1 and A0 at the same time or nothing at all. So it's taking, you know, with with something that only has two options, one and a zero, a single qubit can create. I can't remember what the number was, but I want to say it was something along the lines of like 30 different combinations.

34:43 And every time you multiply a qubit, like let's say we went to to that 65 billion qubits, just like an iPhone would have when we change it from a bit to a qubit. Now we're taking the compute computations that 65 billion can do and we're timing that by a 25 compounded on top of it each other every time a qubit is added. So that's why it's able to do something in in 15 minutes that would take the fastest supercomputer that we can. We know of now that we have, you know, longer than the existence or you know, in a time period that's older than the existence or the the age of the universe that we live in.

35:33 So that's why by a long shot. By a long shot. So let's see how many. See to me that there's no way that human beings not I give human beings a lot of credit. There's no way human beings are figuring this shit out without like, help from some other forces. In my opinion, there's no way. There's no way that you can even comprehend those numbers to to put 64 billion transistors inside of a chip that's inside of your pocket. They're like, there's no way that human beings just figured this shit out in the last 100 years without some weird fucking, you know, interaction with something higher than us or lower than. Us.

36:21 So this is also interesting term here measurement collapse, right? So a single cubic can have two possible outcomes when measured typically represented as a zero and one similar to a classic bit, but with the unique ability to be in superposition. That means that it could be both at the same time of both states simultaneously until measured, right. So this is this this is the the Schrodinger's cat. What we're talking about in in Schrodinger's cat when it comes to superposition. So when it the, the qubit lives in a state of both zero and one, one and one, one and 00 and 0 and nothing at all until it is until it is called upon to create one of those options and then it lives in a state of the option that it is given.

37:17 The problem with quantum computing right now is that unlike the computers that we have now, we're ones and zeros are are pretty solid and they basically can't be wrong. For the most part, quantum computers can't be wrong. That is something that you know, there's kinks that we have to work out with this. Using AI right now to like adjust for errors, yeah. So there's, there's things that we just, you know, we can't do with it because it is imperfect. It's, it's not going to be reliable. But superposition, unlike a classical bit, a cubic can exist in combination of both zero and one states at the same time with certain probabilities for each state.

37:58 And then you have the measurement collapse. When a cubit is measured, it's state collapses into either 0 or 1. And that's what this this is referring to right here. The measured this is the Schrodinger's cat term, the measurement collapse, where when it's not observed it lives in a state, a superposition, and then upon observation it creates a measurement collapse into one of those positions. See, this is where I've heard the argument where they, I don't, I couldn't tell you who would be honest with you, but you know, watching these videos, these guys like debate these theories and stuff like that or hypothesis, wherever you want to put this.

38:38 That's where they talk about the difference is, is they don't know for sure. And there is the question of is it that the possibilities are collapsing in on the the determined outcome? Or is it that the consciousness is producing the determined outcome and it just appears to us as if the possibilities are collapsing on the one because it's, it could be a perception problem, right? That's what I hear these guys talking about too, is like, it may be one or the other, but it's a perception issue. It could be a perception issue and our consciousness may be actually creating that collapsing wave function, not observing it. So the more 76 said, why are we believing this? There are not 19 billion of anything on your phone. They are using what is found in the delayed choice Quantum eraser and the nature of light.

39:38 This happens everywhere with light. Light is a completely different thing. Light as proven by the double slick experiment, which is another physics experiment or exercise if you will. That was done a while ago. I can't remember the guy's name. I want to say his last name is Jones. Point though, why are we believing this? I'm with that. I mean I I understand the the argument, but have you seen videos lately of how small a transistor is? Yeah, I've also seen videos of fucking that governor eating 40,000 cheeseburgers and a billion French fries being dropped around by Browns.

40:24 That's real. That's that's really happened. So. Imagine that dump. Also seen videos of planes hitting buildings and and they come down. Look at you wearing your hat. I love it. Anyways, according to the Google AI, which we know is very trustworthy, right? And I'm sorry that this is this is the source that I'm using, but this is the one that I had at my fingertips right now. Don't you hate that? And it's not even. Good dude. No, it's it's really not. There's there's all sorts of mistakes. Oh we got a quantum chip that can fucking solve any problem in an Infinity, but our AI blows. Anyways, but according to the almighty Google AI overview, the smallest transistor on record is 3 nanometers, which is roughly the size of a few silicon atoms.

41:19 Silicone silicon. I like how they give us a reference to something else that we have no idea what the fucking size is. That we don't know how. It doesn't make any sense though because of a few. Silicone atoms. You know, as fucking big as that, Frank. If it's that small, then it would have to be just atoms in itself. You can't make something that's bigger than the atoms it's made-up of. Well. Sorry, that's that's a stupid way to say that you can't get down to the atomic level and make something using atoms that are going to be bigger than the item that you're making. Does that make sense? It's like if you're at the atomic level already, it's like it's so small that it's the size of three silicon atoms or whatever it is.

42:02 Then what are you actually when you just take it three silicon atoms and gluing them together being like, oh, there it is. Quantum. So how far on the periodic table is silicon? Because that will tell you how big it is. There's atoms of different size. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, depends on what the element is, and it depends on how many electrons. And see, this is another neutron. I'm gonna go back to the Moore's point. I'm gonna go back to the Moore's point on this before we go down this rabbit hole. And how big? The atoms are like. Why are we believing any of this shit? Right? Like I, I'm with that man, because I, I do get caught up in this sometimes where I go fucking way deep down the rabbit hole on these theories about quantumness and you know, the, and it's just like, wait a minute, man. All this information that I'm regurgitating and like memorizing and and theorizing about is all information that was handed down to me by some fucking robes, man.

42:50 Some cloaks, some. Some lab coats. It's like freaking yeah. It's like if you wanted to learn Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic and read original transcripts for the more or the last, you know, the first copies of the Bible. You could absolutely do that. You don't have to listen to what someone says this says. This is the translation. You could do it yourself. None of us can carbon date anything, but we allow people that say something is X number of years old to tell us that that's the truth.

43:33 And then you sent it to a fucking lab up, right? We garble that stuff or eat that stuff up just like that church in Kansas or whatever that left some chicken bones out from some fried chicken out in the sun for a couple weeks. And then they send it into a lab and they said it was like millions of years old and they're like, OK, because it was just some some lab saying that this is the age of this thing or in this circumstance, right? We can't, I can't, I'm not going to say we, but I can't make a phone in the same way that they are made today. I could probably make an older model phone, you know, with basic electronic skills and stuff like that. But I could, I can't make a microchip. I don't have the tools at my disposal to make a microchip. So we have to rely on the people who do to say, well, this is how much computing power your phone has or whatever it is. And it's just like, now, I don't know if there is a reason for them to be deceptive about it, but you can't say beyond a shadow of a doubt that they're telling the truth because you just have no way of knowing.

44:40 I don't have a I could pull out the chip for my phone. I've replaced the battery. I've I've disassembled an iPhone before, but I don't have a electron microscope that is powerful enough to see the individual you know. I think we need. Whatever transistors of it right and count them all I. Think when we see corruption and the bullshit that I think all of us have seen the last, I don't know, just say 10 years, right? With, with politics and with the medical industry and like just all the corruption and the, the lying and the crazy shit that nobody ever thought was possible that your governments and that your, your institutions and your academic peoples would do to you, right?

45:24 Like, but they did it, I think, and they've been doing it the whole time, right? You can look at history, right? Crystal's reading this book about Charles Manson and it goes and it goes through COINTELPRO and all this crazy shit that the CIA is doing. And it's like, so I think that the the reason that they would have to keep a lot of this stuff like in this tight weird control like information war is number one. It's just generation after generation of corruption and just greed, right? Like some of these people can't have 40 years of their whatever go to go to shit because some new discovery happened. So they just bury something under the rug and they keep this, whatever it is. Take your pick.

46:07 Fucking archaeology. You know the pyramids are still 2500 years BC. And it's like, no they're not. No, they're fucking not. We all know that the pyramids are not 2500 BC. They're way older than that. So stop telling us that they aren't. You know what I mean? Like this is on my rambling now, but you guys are not. Sure, I hear what you're saying. Yeah, timeline stuff kind of kind of fucks me out. But it's the same with the atoms and the fucking quarks and the fucking black holes and the space images that are all paint by numbers. It's all information that you have to send to a lab and have some other schmuck tell you. Yes, it is. No it isn't. Whatever the fuck, right? Like Jake is saying, this is not some shit like a virus, right? Like, I can't fucking verify a virus. I can look deep in a microscope and see like bacterial infections and that kind of thing, but I can't see a fucking virus, dude.

46:59 It's a, it's a scary world that we live in, man, when you know, you can't trust the, the quote UN quote experts to give you the information that you know is supposed to be able to save your life, you know, or give you critical information about history or current events. So I, I understand where you're coming from, right? The only thing is that that bothers me is that if you, if you don't, if you don't accept any of the information that's given to you, then where are you? Well, you. Wouldn't even leave your house, right? You couldn't even. Well, it's not. It's a matter of oxygen, right? Accepting information is one thing. I can accept information all day long. This is why I just went on this tirade, because I had to stop myself from going down this deep rabbit hole about fucking the size of atoms and shit and just throw it out there that like, this is all just hearsay, right?

47:49 So, but I can accept the information that's given to me and ponder about it often, and I do, but I always have to try to bring myself back to question everything. That includes like, is gravity fucking real man. I. Don't. When it comes to atoms, I don't know, like you heard it before, right? Where they're like atoms are mostly empty space, so you're not actually touching your desk. Well, why can I feel it then? Why does it hurt if I bash my knee against the door frame? You know, if I'm not touching it and I'm never touching anything. Why does it hurt when I get hit by a train? Yeah, you know. No, I know I I don't. Just pass right through people when they, you know, get actually affected by it.

48:31 Right. I don't, I don't know the sign of that It's. Too low vibrational bro. You need a higher vibrations bro and you can walk through the walls man don't you know? Yeah, it's like that. It was a flash movie, a flash vibrating really hard and you just walk through. He's like, he's just walking. I think there's some truth to to some of that stuff, right? I think that, you know, with oscillations, I mean, Tesla used to have, I don't know the exact quote, but there's a quote from Tesla that said something about he could take down any building with an oscillator or something like this, right? Like if you just give the right vibration and the right frequency like you can literally turn a building into dust. Right. Well, that's like the the walls in Jericho with the in the Bible where they're blowing the trumpets and stuff like that and the walls collapsed, right?

49:16 It's just right. We can look at that now from a scientific perspective and be like, if this is a true account of a real thing that happened, and well, then it would make sense. In the same way you can sing at a wine glass in a specific tone and it shatters, you know, Mythbusters prove that one. You know it's possible. So you don't write frequency, you know. There's something to like vibrations and like manipulating matter, you know, and being able to like quote UN quote walk through walls. But I think that there has to be either some technology involved or it would have to be some spooky shit happened, man. Like some portal opened or, you know, maybe you were on like so much ayahuasca that you were able to do it. I don't know.

49:57 You have to be so incredibly high. With the gateway tapes, the gateway process tapes those, the focus tapes, we should get those and we should play those and just see if like one of us falls through the fucking earth into Infinity. I'm. Good, I'll fucking do it. Are you scared now? I've seen Ant Man and I don't want to experience that. I don't want to experience falling through the multiverse. She'll do it. No, you know, I, you know, another thing that I think about constantly, you know, because I also have a lot of things that I, I can't trust, right.

50:42 So there's a there's a little bit of conspiracy theorists in me too. A little bit. A little bit. It's just not in the same level, right or, or even for the same things. But I totally understand where a lot of the hesitation comes from because, you know, the the strength of a civilization or community is based on the, the compounding generational knowledge and information that gets passed down, right? And the trust that you're building off of somebody else's foundation that was true. So there could be one piece of this foundation from 30 generations ago that was false, which would make everything that we built on top of it incorrect.

51:31 And then when you add in the corruptness or the corrupt government and and other things that live in this world with us purposely corrupt information, you, it's very easy to lose trust in everything that's around you. But at the same time, we don't move forward in that way, right? So what, you know what we really need to do, and I know this is going to get fucking laughed at because it's impossible, but we need to, you know, vote out the people who do this shit to us and replace them with people who do it correctly. And I know it's impossible to tell who who does do it correctly, who doesn't do it correctly, or who can, you know?

52:12 The only, the only problem with that though, man, like let's just say I'll even grant you that perhaps voting works OK and your vote counts. And even if that is the case, the problem is the problem is beyond that because it's on a level beyond the hands of government at this point, right? Like you could bring it all the way back to like the Rockefeller education system, right? Like way back in the 1800s, man, when they built the foundations of what we consider academia, right? Like they laid the, the definitions out of, and when I say that, I'm talking about the Rockefeller foundation, right? Like they laid out the definitions of what is archaeology, what is geology, what is biology, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, right?

52:59 What is physics? And they were the ones who were giving out all the grants. And they were the ones who were literally tarnishing other views and, you know, manipulating other people's works. And like when other people's studies were being peer reviewed, you know, they were purposely being tossed aside and laughed at and humiliated because it wasn't part of whatever the system was at the Rockefeller Foundation had set up. And that that is like the foundation you're talking about when you go, when you say like, oh, something may have been tweaked that fucks the whole thing up, that it's the whole foundation was fucked from the beginning. So like, we're over here learning about physics, but there's a whole other set of fucking physics.

53:42 And you know this as well as I do, right? We talk about UA PS and all kinds of weird spooky shit on the show. So it's like, what is that right? Yeah, yeah. I think what I'm going to do is I'm going to cut out the whole front half of this fucking episode where we talked about the the reviews. I'm just it's useless. We're just going to talk about quantum physics. That's that's. What? Sorry. Well, it's better. I was actually just thinking about that. It's going to be, you're going to say, reviewing the first two quarters and lots of quantum physics. I like what Moore said. My guess is that these chips are so simple and cheap to make that they have to make it sound hard and expensive. Just like electricity, fuel and all other quote UN quote scarce resources.

54:26 Which also brings up something that they they mentioned before and I just wanted to touch on that. There was one line and it said airplanes don't use liquid fuel. I don't know exactly what they're we're referring to with with that statement, but I can tell you from. Guarantee you from 15 years of aircraft experience in fueling an aircraft last week that they absolutely do use liquid fuel. It's called JP 5 JP. Five, JP. Eight, yeah. It sucks to get in your eyes in. A5, Yeah. Yeah, it stinks to high heaven. And when you touch it, it'll. Be stuck on your finger for a week. Yeah, yeah. So they absolutely do. 15 years of it.

55:08 Aircraft experience both in the military and now in the civilian world. They most definitely use liquid fuel. They most definitely do. In fact, there's multiple different kinds of liquid fuel and they categorize it by flashpoint. How But? That doesn't prove gravity's real. No, it's. It doesn't. That's why. That's why gravity is a theory. Now I'll tell you what though about that little feel though. You could flick a lit butane torch into it and won't set on fire, correct? Will it cuz? It has steel beams. Has a. You know, that's actually interesting because, you know, so, so this is something that that I've thought out about a lot. Now, steel beams are not a million miles thick, right?

55:53 They have a the ones they use for skyscrapers. I mean, I doubt they're the same size of the I beams they use for like a hangar Bay, right? They're probably a lot thicker. But we had a ship, a Navy ship, the Bonum Richard, that was purposefully set on fire by arsonist or well, that's what they say. And those ships are filled with jet fuel because they have to fuel the planes that are and the helicopters that go on the ships. And that thing had irreparable damage done to it. And they're steel ships. There's steel decks in there, steel thick old doors, steel walls, steel everything.

56:35 The only thing that you get in there that isn't steel is paperwork, is desks, is chairs, is things like that. And that thing died. That ship died. Never hit building 7 bro. Now if if jet fuel can't burn steel beams or can't melt steel beams, then why the hell did that ship have so much damage to it? They could have just closed 2 hatches and been like all right it's secured, let it burn out and then it's done. Hey. Listen. Because compounding things like fuel plus paper plus burnable materials adds more heat, and that heat over time causes structures to be weakened. I don't know how the fire.

57:25 Passed through because those doors that we close on those ships are this thick and you dog them down with like 30 freaking latches on each side to keep water from. Going. From 1:00 to another, you're still a shill. Oh, you're a shill. And the same, and I'll, I'll grant you shill that that may have been the case for the towers, but building 7 was not impacted by a plane, so I still want to know why. What? Melted. I just think it's funny that Al Qaeda loves the fact that we have so little trust our government that we think that they said that, that we think that our government destroyed Building 7. And they want to use that to basically what the phrase is I'm trying to go for.

58:12 But they want to weaponize that against us in order to the next big terrorist attack with the 1:00 where they're saying they want to kill 60,000 people all at once or something like that. They want to make it look like our government did it so that we fall apart and collapse. To me, that's propaganda. To me, that's our government telling us that the Taliban says that. If you think, if you think that 911 was an inside job, that that you know, you're, you're thinking like pro Taliban now, right? Like that's some shit that the could be that George Orwell's fucking government would have. You know what I'm saying? Like. Straight out of 1984. Yep. Straight out of 1984. Like you think it was an inside job.

58:53 That's what Osama says, too. Yeah, could be. Ministry of Peace. I want to know, Moore said. Plenty of research into the topic. I have no issue defending it in the face of personal experience. I want to know what the personal experience is. Me too. You should come on the show, man. You should. Yeah, you should. He says no airplanes were used in the making of 911. That's that's. With that I've seen, I've seen some super interesting footage that makes you really question. I have also seen some very interesting footage now. But I also know people that were in that had to deal with the cleanup in the aftermath and guess what they're sifting through as well as body parts and things like that, plane parts. Airplane parts. Yeah, like one of my supervisors. Yep, his last, his one of his whole things, one of his fun orders that he got to do was he got to do tours through the Pentagon and so he would be a tour guide. So it's basically we could do, you know, there's all sorts of different things you can do in the military that don't include being on ships, being in foxholes, don't you know, being shot at.

59:54 You could do special orders like the people that get the orders to do like the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. Those are active duty service members and those are orders that they get cut and people request those things. So he got orders to. Be a tour guide in the Pentagon. The guy who took his place when he got those orders, you know, he was done with that tour and went to do something else. He was killed when that plane hit the building. And he went back to help clean up. And he's like, and you know what we're pulling out of that building? Airplane parts, lots of them, because an entire big old plane smacked into the side of that building. Like people can say all day long from the back of a, you know, computer screen.

1:00:34 Oh, that never happened. But then, yeah, there's, you know, there's real people that have had real experiences saying like, yeah, saw this, right. So whatever the video shows or whatever the, you know, whatever the people say on the websites, there are real people that experience real stuff that can counter that and say, Nope, you're full of crap, you know? So the Moore says, Jeff, you got his discord. So we, we actually have an opening for do we have an opening? No, we have an opening for January 12th. If you want to come on, we need we need to talk to somebody. But so I grew up in Middletown, CT and pretty it's not, you know, right next door to to New York City, but one of my elementary school teacher's husband died that day at the Trade Center.

1:01:26 That's how close enough that I live to it is that people in my town actually work there. And you know what, a lot of our fire department, you know, local fire departments and everything helped out with a lot of that cleanup. They went down there for weeks at a time to, to help sift through and pull bodies out and, and whatnot. And, you know, they were talking about the, the smell of, you know, fuel and, and the airplane parts and, you know, somebody had even brought back, you know, thinking about it now, it was probably just a piece of like a Cotter pin, Jake, you know, you know, as a kid, I didn't, I didn't realize what it was, but they, they were telling me that it was a piece of hardware from a plane. It just looked like a like one of those Bobby pins from a girl's hair.

1:02:12 But, you know, now that I'm older and I, you know, worked eight years on Naval aviation aircraft and stuff, It's something called a Cotter pin. So they're. For them castellated nuts. Was, yeah, castellated nuts. But so do I believe that airplanes hit the towers? I do. But do I believe that's the reason why the towers fell? No. I actually aligned closer with Jeff. I think that there was a lot of really fucked up shit that happened. There was a lot of, there's a ton of evidence for an A jetliner A747 not being enough to be able to drop those two towers.

1:02:59 And then when you when you add building 7 into the into the mix. That was a weird one. Yeah, Building 7 is absolutely. Not only that, you you you can add BB CS reporting on building 7 collapsing like 12 some odd minutes before it collapsed live live on the air. BBC reported Building 7 has collapsed. Well, that's because that's because standing behind them. The BBC is is reporting from hours ahead of us. No, the building was standing behind them. No, I know, but they're in the future because they're like 10 hours ahead of us. Just joking. Dude, I got it. It's.

1:03:40 Like, it's like when I was deployed out in South Korea and I said, hey, happy new Year. You know I was 14 hours ahead of, right? No, I get it. I get it, I get it. But you know, it is, it's just super interesting. And then there's so many other questions. I mean, you talk about the Patriot Act, you talk about the the $2 trillion that the Pentagon, Pentagon had unaccounted the day before Donald Rumsfeld did that speech. And he's like, yeah, we just can't account for like 2.7 trillion or whatever the fucking number was. And then bam, the next day. And then, you know, you talk about the the list that was drafted up for the seven countries that we were going to invade in five years and take over in the Middle East, right? And then, bam, 911 happens. And then we go in there. So there's just, it's definitely not what we're told, right?

1:04:22 Like planes or no planes. You know, you could convince me one way or the other. It doesn't fucking matter. The event happened, of course, right? Or you're not. What matters more, you're not one of those people that say that the World Trade Centers were a hologram this entire time, were you? I've met him, the whole guy who said that, and he was saying it the. World Trade Centers. Well, this is the thing about conspiracy theories, right? Like, and I hate to use that term, but it just is what it is, right? But like conspiracy theories, right? Like there's some really good evidence on some some of the shit and a lot of the stuff that we talked about, but there's a lot of people that will just go so far to the extremes. A lot of Dum Dums out there, a lot of MPCS that will grab the code, right?

1:05:02 And they'll run with the code and like they just they just make it look super terrible, right? Like they do no justice for the model, whatever the theory is. So, and that's the problem is like most of those are either psyops, I think like there's actual. So like Flat Earth is a good example of this. A Flat Earth society is literally a psyop. It's literally like designed to put out the most ridiculous Flat Earth information so that most of the general public laughs at Flat Earth instantaneously, right? They're like, yeah. But anything that was like made-up on 4 Chan, I was just a bunch of buddies that were just like, let's try to convince people the earth is flat and it took off. It's, it's like a, it's a total fucking sigh up, dude, is what I'm trying to tell you.

1:05:46 You know, there's some people, right? There's not very many, but there are some people who like truly understand the proper models. And nobody who's a real flat earther knows the model, right? Like that's the whole thing. If you're a real flat earther, you don't think that it's this model or that model. You don't know, right? And that's the whole thing. So anybody who's like, I'm a flat earther and this is the model, like those people, I've just been captured by a psyop and are running with this fake conspiracy. So, and I'm not saying the more is is guilty of this, but when you see people say like the towers were holograms or like the planes were holograms, it's like, OK, man, listen, you're you, you just been caught up in like the web of like mishmash conspiracy theories on the Internet and you've created this or whatever.

1:06:33 You have this like weird version of this thing. Like the presidents aren't actually lizards. They're not lizard people, right? They're just. Operating them. They're right. That's the whole point, right? When people laugh at like reptilians, it's like there's not really lizard people dressed and and masquerading around as people, as our politicians know. They're just human beings operating off the reptilian part of the brain. They're parasitic individuals, right? And back you could like, start going into all these questions about like, is it demonic or spiritual? Whatever the questions are. But like, you know, that's the whole idea about all of these conspiracy theories. Crystal was asking me the other day. She was like, what's the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail? This is another good example.

1:07:16 Most people will laugh at chemtrails or like, that's a contrail, you fucking idiot. It's like, no, you're a fucking idiot because there's blood. What's we should you know, anybody in the chat if you guys ever want to come on the show and just have a conversation with us, especially, you know, the more if you, if you have, you know, some, some pretty good evidence to to back up some of the stuff, by all means, bring it. Let's, let's, let's, let's talk. We have screen shares so we can play videos. We can, you know, look at pictures, all that good stuff. I'd, I'd love to be taken through the wild side of of 911. I think it would be an absolute blastism We haven't done yet, and I think that it would be cool to pick through well.

1:07:57 We just recently started getting into conspiracies so it makes sense. Yeah, yeah, for for a while there we were. We were playing with glass toys and we were afraid that we were going to get kicked off and all that stuff. Now we don't, we don't care. We're just going to play with the big boys. Right, Jeff? Yeah, man. But all right, well, I don't think we're going to do the review of the rest of 2024. We could do anything. Was there anything we missed? I think both of you are insane. Yeah, that's true. But yeah, I think I'm a reptilian because I'm always cold. Like right now I'm shivering, man. It's cold in here. It's probably like, it's probably like 80��, but I'm always cold. I'm fond of laying on hot rocks in the sun.

1:08:39 You just need magnesium. You have a magnesium deficiency. I I have green blood, you know, and I'm ashy, so I'm just like, I'm probably reptilian. I think it's mostly the green blood one. That's the one that kind of got got me. I was just like, oh, that's weird. It's like a reptile. There's probably reptilian alien if you if you want to go believing in aliens, there would probably be reptilian aliens as well. I mean, of course, on those cold planets out in the middle of nowhere. Don't get me started on We're going to. Go to ask Hot planet Reptilian. We're going to go down another hour about this. Yeah. Oh, sorry. In the vastness, empty void of space. I have.

1:09:20 I have something back here for that. Let's see. Final thoughts for me. Rockefeller education system has put us all in a box that it's nearly impossible for us to think outside of, right? Physics, archaeology, history, you name it. And I think of all the good that it's provided the world because it has of course, right. Like there's, we're talking through the Internet. That's fucking cool. So there's a lot of great stuff that that this technology has done, but I think that there's also like this box that we exist in. And then there's probably a mix of nefarious reasons for that and also just like idiot incompetence and and corruption, you know, just leading down the line to where we're at. So I think that we have to like break out of this type of system.

1:10:09 Like I'm pretty gung ho on the whole, burn it down, rebuild it. What does that mean? Like, how do you break out of something that's been built up around this for so long? Well, I don't know, man. It's, it's hard to say, but like, you know, there's certain institutions, like it's, it's weird because like I'm on a political side, right? I would learn more, right? And I'd be against like what you would talk about these leftists talk about burning down institutions and like restarting everything. Like, to me, that's like ridiculous. You know, we live in the greatest country in the world, but at the same time, my conspiracy brain is like, these systems that we are in control by, right? They're just keeping us here, like in this weird fucking cycle. And maybe we should burn it all down in some way and rebuild it. Maybe not burn it all down, but definitely pull out the parts that are, you know, pull out the parts like what Jeremy said. It's impossible to do but vote out the people that are that are purposefully corrupt.

1:11:06 But the problem with that is you might get someone in there that really wants to do some good and then they end up being corrupted as well. So you can't really, you know, it was absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's like, you know, you get these people that you know, I think the best way to describe it is when Jeremy and I were in the military, you'd see people being like, well, when I make the next rank, I am not going to be like this a hole of a supervisor that I have. And they, most of them had great intentions, but as soon as they made that rank, they became that a hole that they that they had. I've only seen a couple examples where that didn't happen. Getting up to like the higher enlisted sides like the E sevens, the E eights, E nines, where they actually be stayed the same people.

1:11:52 Out of the thousands of people I met in the military and I had careers with, there was like 3 that didn't become that person. And whether that was from, I'm not saying it's because of power necessarily, but because of stress, because of needing to break into that leadership role or whatever it was, they did not stay the person that they swore they would, right? They became what they hated. And when they couldn't see that, you know, it takes an outside perspective generally to see, you know, hey man, you're an asshole. It's just like him. I don't think I am. It's like, no, you are, you know, because that's not up to you. That's up to everyone else around you who's affected by you, right? But I think that that's what happens when people get into those positions. You know, I think it's not surprising when you see that happen, right?

1:12:41 We're all we're going to drain the swamp and then they become the swamp, right. I'm not pointing to anyone specifically when I say that, but that's, you know, that's like the most, I guess widely used. Pill part of you just is like, burn it down brother, you know, Yeah. Start, you know, start from scratch. Just go back to the beginning. But it's just like, you know? Dollar make I think this one and then we're all. Fucking good. The the idea of the system was the purest form of the system. And then once it started going into play, immediately corruption started happening. So it's like you I, I don't think with the way that people are so fallible, you know, so prone to failure, so prone to greed and lust and, you know, evil desires you in this lifetime, you will never be able to have a system that works. Florida State.

1:13:35 There will always be these problems. Maybe not right away, but eventually there will be these problems. So even scrapping it and starting from scratch, you know, the only way that's going to work out is in the new heaven and the new earth where Jesus literally blows the universe apart. It says with a, a great sound that the, like that the atoms liquefy and stuff like that. It sounds like an atomic explosion, but basically like, and then he sets himself up to reign over the earth for 1000 years. And it's the only time in human history where there's peace, absolute peace, because he is infallible. He's not prone to corruption. He's not prone to that sort of stuff, right? To greed and lust and, and evil.

1:14:21 So you'll, you'll never get a perfect system. It will always be Venezuela. It'll always be the corrupt United States. It will always be this. Until it isn't anymore, you know? Yeah. So that's that's the. Black pill me enough and I'll just, you know, just Neuralinkus all man, Neuralinkus all Jackasson. Just let it be all nutted out. In my head. I'll just be nutted out fucking just watching ads all in. The matrix. We need our liquidified bodies to the machines speaking. Of I grabbed this because you know anybody who's anybody has probably read this book. Speaking of the Matrix, this book right here Children of the Matrix by. That looks like a reptilian face. By a good buddy, David.

1:15:07 Yeah, that's what made me go grab this. This is a absolutely intense book. I never read it, but I did do an audio book of his SO. Did you? I didn't know it was an audio book. That's a lot of book to be listening to. Yeah, man. I've read it, I've read it twice now, and David Icke always has some really, really good information. David Icke's the man. Did you send that e-mail? No, you never sent me the the e-mail. Did you send the e-mail to? You never emailed me back, but I'll send it to you. OK. I probably went a little too. I was a little too much like, Oh my God, David I. Oh my God, David, let me. Let me suck you off. David, I love you.

1:15:48 There's a couple pics attached to mail too, just in case you never. Know all right, Well, one more time, anybody in the chat wants to come on. We have an opening on January 12th for a live episode just like this one right here. Let us know and we will get it. We'll get it worked out. Yeah, the more come on January 12th put it in the calendar. Oh, we got it. Let's get that confirmed. Let's get that confirmed first, because I do have I'm. Telling you I'm not in the chat right now, I'm telling you confirm it. I'm. Confirm it. I'm working on getting a couple of our guests. We got some pretty cool ones coming up. Milk is a sign up for those who got milk.

1:16:30 All milk comes from big feet boobies. Got Frank coming on. Every one of them No, but I do have I have Alex from Northwoods bricks coming on. If you're unfamiliar, Northwoods bricks does these Cryptid Legos. They're pretty cool. So it'll probably be probably won't be so conspiracy theory, but we'll talk about some cool Cryptid stuff and, and the company and how that got started and, and stuff. That'd be pretty neat. And then we're going to have Denver Michaels come back on sometime in late January. I love Denver Michaels. And I am currently. I love. Denver doing back-to-back or in the middle of a back-to-back conversation with Kenny W Irish, the crypto punk ologist, to come on and talk about his new book, which that episode will be on a Tuesday. I did work out that he cannot do Sundays, so that episode will be on a Tuesday.

1:17:29 So check out the socials, pay attention because one of one of these weeks coming up here in January will be live on Tuesday. All right, I don't really have any. I earned my very first paying job from being part of this podcast. So yeah, I'm going to that's not true. He's. Going to be talking about kink stuff. It's not kink stuff. It's not true. You got paid by Paranormal network already? Yeah, that's true. Yeah. All right, my second ever. Paid job I'm getting, yeah. Getting moving on up, everybody moving on. Number one in Uganda feet he's talking about.

1:18:09 Number one, surprise, specifically Uganda, boys. Let's go. Hey, share this show with Uganda. Let let my people know that infinite rabbit hole needs to be up there. Number one, and #12 in Uganda, Hell yeah. All right, I'm here. I'm shouting them out. Man, I love these people. These are my people. Yeah, Nigerian. Jeff and I go back like three years now. I love Nigerians as well. I am Nigerian in case anybody didn't know. He's a Nigerian Prince. He is. Yeah, I'm probably the only one in this group right now who the federal government said that I'm black on my on my entrance paper into the Navy, but whatever. You can see it. That's true. Well, if if you are not following us here on Twitch, please do so leave us a five star rating. If you're listening to this on Spotify, Apple podcast or wherever you listen to your podcast. This episode is actually going to be quick edited and released as our new Year special.

1:19:05 It's come Tuesday. So yeah, that's it everybody. We'll see you on the back end and at the beginning of 2025. Have a good one, Jeff. Jeff, Jeff, Happy New Year. Happy New Year, Jeff. We have one more episode. You. Have a happy New year, we have one more episode, right? No, this is it. OK. Well, happy New Year. Well, we we were going to record an episode with you and Kramer, but you never confirmed it for me. I did confirm it. We're still doing that. Are we doing it? Yeah. When? Yes, when New Year. New Year's Eve. New Year's Eve Tuesday.

1:19:46 That's what you said. All right. For sure, 100%. Can you confirm that for me? I already confirmed. Yes, you are confirmed. We are confirmed. OK, cool. All right guys hear that Tuesday we are going live with the both the parties of Shadow Band podcast. Is it is it going to be like a like a what is it swap pod or swap cast? Whatever you guys taking it to and and posting it. Like an orgy. Yeah. Yeah. You show me yours, I'll look at. Yours. You show me it and I'll look at it. I. Was trying not to say something that would definitely get us panned, but all right.

1:20:28 Happy New Year. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. Well, we'll see you guys next. Forking path of the Infinite Rabbit hole. Goodbye everybody. Hey everybody, thanks for checking out the Infinite Rabbit Hole podcast. If you're looking for more of our stuff, head on over to infiniterabbithole.com where you can find links to all the podcast players that we are available on and even our video platforms such as TikTok and YouTube. While you're there, make sure to check out all the links for our socials and hit that follow so you know when all the new stuff from our podcast comes out. And until next time, travelers, we'll see you right here in the next fork in the path of the Infinite Rabbit hole. Bye.