199. The Legend of La Llorona w/ Special Guest, Yorye

0:03 In Central America, the northern regions of South America, and the North American Southwest, there exists a chilling legend of a restless spirit, a woman doomed to wander endlessly searching for her lost children. Her cries, mournful and heart wrenching, echo through riverbeds, lakes and arroyos, embodying the eternal pain of a mother consumed by grief and guilt. This is the tale of Lyrona, the Weeping Woman. Her legend transcends borders and cultures of time and physical distance, with scholars finding parallels and myths worldwide.

0:44 From Lilith of Hebrew mythology, a vengeful spirit tied to lost children, to the German Dewiefle Frau, a ghostly figure of sorrow, and Lamia of Greek lore, a woman transformed into a monster after the loss of her children. In Mesoamerica history, La Erona is often connected to the Aztec goddess Chiwokoro, a deity of fertility and motherhood. Chiwokoro's ghostly screams of quote My children, we must flee. We're said to reverberate through the canyons, forewarning the empire's destruction. Some say La Yorona is intertwined with the tragic story of La Mellenche, the interpreter and mistress of Spanish conquistador Hernan Cortez. La Mellenche, blamed by many for aiding the fall of her people, is said to have taken her own life and her sons after Cortez abandoned her to return to Spain. This fusion of historical and mythical narratives has cemented La Yorona as a figure of betrayal, loss, and endless sorrow.

1:56 Descriptions of La Yorona vary widely. Most commonly she is a ghostly woman clad in flowing white dress, her long black hair framing her tear streaked face. In some tales, she rides a spectral horse, in others, she appears as a towering figure over 9 feet tall. Occasionally, she is seen as a fiery orb hovering over the waters as she haunts. And while most stories claim she drowned her children in a fit of rage or despair before taking her own life, some variations say her children were stolen or murdered, leaving her to search in vain for eternity. Today, we unravel the layers of myth, history and folklore surrounding the spirit of the Weeping Woman.

2:40 La Yarona, Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit Hole.

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4:52 Thanks for being part of the Infinite Rabbit Hole community. Now let's get back to exploring the infinite rabbit hole. What's up Jake? How you doing dude? I'm good. We we're into Wisconsin deer season and it's day 2 and I dabbed myself a big old dough and got her in the freezer and everything's good. It's awesome. I'm just. Stoked, yeah. Deer meat for days, huh? Deer meat for. Days is. That's so sick bro. Send me some dude, I'll send you some fish in return. Well, how about you come up and you have some? The rule is neither of you can refrigerate it, you just have to send it. Send it. It's. Fine by by pigeons. By pigeons, all right.

5:34 Cool. African swallows maybe? Very good, Jeffrey. How's your day, man? What's going on? It's going man. Things are good, bro. I'm getting the house together. Crystal's almost fully moved in and the house is fully decked out. The podcast studios coming together, got some more toys to play with. Making money, you know, doing the thing bro. Good stuff man. You're going to have yourself a producer here soon. Going to have a producer here soon things are about to change new camera coming tomorrow man things things are about to you're. Going to be able to see 30 Gray hairs on his face, not just 15. Oh yeah. Actually, to be honest with you, the camera that's coming is about the same quality as as this iPhone camera. He can't send on text not to use my iPhone. Now I can play on my phone while you're talking. Thanks, man.

6:23 You're, you're a gem. All right. Well, we're not here to talk to you guys today. We're here to talk to our special guest. We have somebody who is us from the country that is known for this urban legend, this La Yarona. George, what's going on man? How you doing? And welcome to the Infinite revival. Thank you very much. I'm very happy to be here with you guys. So happy to share this experience in this legend that we have in Mexico because yeah, everyone is growing up with this history and yeah, it's pretty nice to share with you. So how big is it? How big is it down there? Is this something like where every kid goes to sleep at night and worried about the LA Yarona?

7:09 Everyone knows about that. Everyone. Yeah, you are growing up like that. Sometimes the parents are using this as a you know what if you are playing late outside of your home, Hey, come here please, because like you don't know is going to come with you and take it. That way from your chores or else LA Lauren and it's going to come get you. So some parents are using that just for to take care of the children. So yeah, everyone in Mexico knows that. Yeah, we dive into that a little bit today too. I've created a small presentation for us to to listen to throughout the episode tonight. So we'll dive into the the boogeyman aspect as we have in plenty of episodes here on the infinite rabbit hole. Just same a few we've done Slender Man and Krampus from Austria, which are our other boogeyman type critters that that are that are used to keep children behaving. The the the La Yarona specifically seems to be based around keeping kids home at night and away from water. So so I don't know Jake, Jeff, what do you guys think? Should we start off with the video clips? Our friend here has some really awesome clips of some loud screams or whales coming out of the dark. It's pretty awesome.

8:39 I haven't queued up if you want to go. Yeah, George, you ready to go, man? You ready to go? Yes. I would like to share with you that this video was recorded in the guardhouse of the neighborhood. So this day was raining a lot and also during those days a kid was drowned in a river so I know. It's. It's kind of funny that we have this this video, so please. Yeah, OK. That's all you, Jake. I got you all right. I'm not sure why it's not playing. Yeah, I can't hear it. Technical difficulties. Yeah, obviously Jake, I'll, I'll go ahead and get into the next bit here and then we'll we'll come back.

9:23 If you could play around with that, I think you'd be alright with that. Yeah, I'll see what I can do. All right, so George, other than this, have you heard this yourself? I had an experience in 2018. I was living in one city. The name is San Miguel de Allende is the state of Guanajuato. So in that state we have a lot, a lot of legends there. So you can take a look of the history of that state. You are going to find a lot. All right, so this is a small town. It was founded in 1542, so it's an Old Town. Right.

10:07 So it was a rainy day, so it was like 9:00 PM So at some point after the rain, it was really, really cold. And suddenly like 9 PM 9:30 I start hearing like someone was suffering. All right. But the feeling that you have when you are hearing this is like horrific, man. It's like everything is cold and the sound is, well, you are going to hear it in a few minutes, but it's, it is amazing. And after that it took like on another 2025 minutes.

10:48 And once again I heard that. So it's like what's going on? And the legend mentioned also that if you are hearing this sound very, very close is because La Yarona is far away from you. But if you are hearing that far away from you, it's because it's really close to you. All right. That's interesting. Yeah. I don't know why is that, but yeah, it is kind of interesting so. I have to ask, right, Because we have to cross off all the TS and dot all our IS here. Yeah. Is there any? Are there any known animals in the area that sound anything like a woman screaming or crying? Not really.

11:39 Not really. Unfortunately, it's not like Wisconsin. So we are, we are going to have maybe dogs, maybe cats, the city. So no, it's almost impossible just to have animals like this with this kind of voice sound, but it's almost impossible. Yeah, La Yorona. Oh, by the way, I'm going to butcher a lot of these pronunciations as I did with the intro there. So I want to apologize now. La Yorona La Yorona, also known as the Weeping Woman, the Wailer, or the Crying Woman, is one of the most iconic spirits in Mexican folklore. She is said to haunt bodies of water, her mournful cries echoing as she endlessly searches for her lost children. The details of La Yorona's tale vary depending on who tells the story, but at its heart it is a tragedy of love, betrayal and unrelenting guilt.

12:39 The most common version of the legend tells of a woman named Maria who married a man and bore him two children. Their seemingly perfect life unravelled when Maria discovered her husband's infidelity. Enraged and heartbroken, she drowned her children in the river in a fit of despair, but was immediately overcome with regret. Consumed by her grief, Maria took her own life in the same river. Her guilt, however, condemned her spirit to wander the earth searching for the children she had killed. Unable to find them, she remains an eternal weeping presence, crying out I mihios or my children. Other variations of the story describe Maria as drowning her illegitimate children to prevent their father from taking them away, or as a mother who accidentally caused her children's death through neglect, such as leaving them to freeze while fleeing her husband. Each version reinforces themes of sorrow, guilt, with Maria's punishment being an eternity of mournful wandering. The story of LA Girona is far from unique. It has parallels and cultures from around the world. She is often compared to the White Lady legends found in European and other global folklore. In Brazil there is Dama Branca, in French speaking Canada dames Blanches.

14:00 Germany has the white wager, the Netherlands the white we vein, the Philippines, Cabarossa, and these ghostly women like La Yorona are often associated with tragedy, vengeance, or grief, haunting specific locations and warning against certain behaviors. Historically, La Yorona's origins may date back to 1550 in Mexico City, though many believe the legend is even older than that. It is often linked to Aztec mythology, specifically to omens of destruction recorded before the Spanish conquest. The Florentine Codices 1519 ethnographic study by Franciscan Friar Bernardino de Seguin mentions an account of a woman heard weeping and crying out at night.

14:52 Quote Oh my children, we are about to go forever. Some attribute this to Chihokoro, the Aztec goddess of childbirth and motherhood, whose whales were said to forewarn great catastrophe. Regardless of its origin, the purpose of La Yorona's tale has remained consistent. She is a boogeyman figure used to scare children into obedience. Parents tell their children to stay away from rivers at night or risk being taken by La Yorona. This technique mirrors similar similar cautionary tales across cultures. In Austria, the Krampus punishes naughty children, as explored in episode 67. The Netherlands has a boken rage. Yours ghostly riders who target neglectful farmers children. Germany Bootsman is a shadowy goblin punishing children who stay up past their bedtime, while Russians Baba Yaga, South Africa's Tokolosh and Nepal's Gromata, as well as in Indonesia's Weiwei Gambo and Japan's Namahae all serve similar roles in folklore.

16:03 Today, La Yarona remains a powerful symbol of grief and caution, her legend enduring in stories, films, and personal accounts. Whether as a tragic ghost, a cautionary figure, or a cultural icon, her mournful cries remind us of the consequences of our actions and the power of human sorrow. All right, so OK, go ahead. No. No, that's all I had for that write up. Jake, were you able to get that going, man? No, I'm trying to send it to the drive to see if we can play it from there. Yeah, All right, so we got a comment from the chat. The only difference I could see between this and the woman in white is that the woman in white went after men who cheat and not kids. True.

16:45 So the standard woman in white urban legend is if you're going to talk about the most stereotypical woman in white urban legend, she is a woman who will stand or spirit of a woman who stands on the side of the road and tries to lure adulterous men to pick her up in their cars so that she can kill them. And that is that is that's the woman in white for most parts. And there are a lot of small town roads, big city streets, very, very, very rural locations, even bridges that are said to have a woman in white legend attached to it. And specifically the one that tries to harm adultery men. She's right.

17:30 La Yorona seems to specifically target children, whether or not that's her her boogeyman aspect that parents will use. And there's actually a a much broader danger there that we may be able to dive into at some point. But the the initial trauma, I guess he will is like the I'm cheating husband, right? Like, that's still like, the same kind of baseline, this woman haunting because. Yeah. And she took revenge with the kids. So that is a problem. And that's why we are telling all the kids that, hey, take care, don't go to the rivers because La Yorona is going to be there. It's like the revenge of her somehow. But yeah, it's pretty similar.

18:19 Like the husband was cheating on her. Yeah. So how serious do kids take this? I think now it's completely different. So I can say that maybe 20 years ago when you are going to hear something about La Yorona, you were you were going to treat this very serious. Or you know what? I don't want to talk about this. We got it. Good to go. All right, all right, let's let's listen to this. We'll we'll come back to this. Let's see. What are you sipping on, dude? Sam Adams Oktoberfest is just in a jar. Oh nice. Like a freaking hobo, Yeah. Fuck that dude.

19:20 That was the. Same. Sound that I heard in 2017? Exactly the same. But imagine in a rainy night alone, hearing that it was like a ship. Bro, if I was outside in the woods and I heard, if I was outside my house and I heard that shit, I'd be freaking out. Right. Whether if I was inside my house and I heard that shit inside my house. And. For example in 2017, the experience that I had was in a town that is like maybe 15,000 people there. But these these videos are in a city.

20:01 And there are maybe a million and a half people living there, so it doesn't matter that there is a small town or a big city. It could be there. That's awesome. Nice. Let's you guys ready for video #2 yeah. Hear the dogs react to that.

20:44 OK, that one, may I, you know, I'm not there. I don't know, right? But it sounds like maybe some sort of coyote or something, or a wolf perhaps, right? Like a howling. Yeah. That's kind of what that one, Not the first one. The first one sounds like my soul's about to get sucked out of my body. Right. Jeremy, can you play the first one again? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ready. Yeah. Second one definitely sounds like a wolf or some type of dog. I know my dogs like the howl.

21:36 The first one is gross like. That's like, yeah, I'm watching this this show on MGM Plus right now called from I don't know if you guys have watched it at all, but it is as a phenomenal show. And every once in a while, because the the people from the show can't go outside during the night time, every once in a while at night when they're inside the building, you'll just hear this whaling going off. And that's what it reminds me of, man. I'm not going out there because I don't want this thing to suck my face off, bro. So I would like to comment that in that city, we don't have coyotes, we don't have walls, we don't have nothing like that.

22:21 It's in the city, in the big city. Yeah. Even with that, it's even more difficult to have this kind of sounds. That's crazy. So what is the water source that's there? It's like 50 yards from there. It's a river, yeah. So the spirit of La Yarona is, is known to, to haunt waterways, right? And it's, it's not just any waterway, right? It's not just like a specific river. It's rivers, creeks, ponds, lakes. Exactly. Everything. If it's a water source, it haunts it. Correct? Because part of her torture is to walk all the water sources. Exactly.

23:03 I'm glad that here in Wisconsin City we don't have this legend. Imagine that we have a lot of. Rivers here that will be crazy. Or, or we we're good. We're going back to the old, old references in the infinite rabbit hole. Good thing we're not in Minnesota or Finland. Land of a Million Lakes. Because you got you got to listen to the Wendigo episode to learn to learn that inside joke. Yeah, look at us plugging things self selfishly. Speaking of plugging things, I've been using this. Now. This thing to drop these things in the chat Dude it is so streamlined bro are you saying?

23:47 Is it cool? Bro I'm one fingering putting like. You have set up to our stuff. Yeah, Watch ready. Watch ready, Facebook ready. Oh wait, sorry, wrong, wrong screen. Here it is. And you just push a button and it's just just a drop set. Oh, that's cool, man. Yeah, nice. That is pretty interesting, huh? Look, I'm flaunting this money. At US you can plug that I suppose. You're allowed yeah it's pretty sick man and it's got the button has an A live viewer account. I can see that five people are watching without like just on my little button over here because. It's five, really. Yeah. Well, it's lying to you. Well, now it's 4. Yeah, well, it has been 4.

24:28 Anyways, back to the story. Stop talking about your, your, your new toy guy. So George, what is what is the scariest account that you have heard? Whether it comes from a friend, a family member, you've you've got to have heard some pretty wild stories of this thing. Well, you are going to hear about this story, but you're hearing a lot. You're hearing a lot, but maybe not all the time. You are going to have the experience, right. So I imagine it was seven years ago. I was 3033 years old. So after 33 years old to hearing that history is like I'm believing the experience. So it's not really easy to hear that. So yeah, for sure there is some people that is talking about even I saw that like you're on A and a river. But yeah, it's like AI saw that.

25:26 Oh, for example, in the cemetery, the La Yarona is here sometimes and the people in the small towns are talking a lot about that. So no, it's a it's it's a cultural thing here. So could sometime it's not like before, like the people is scary about that. Now it's different. That's crazy man, that's really cool. The only urban legend I had from when I was a kid was a local mental hospital. It tells me about, like people here in North America with Bigfoot, they're like, Oh yeah, I've seen Bigfoot or I've seen Bigfoot here and I saw Bigfoot there and all that sort of stuff. You're like, OK, well maybe one day when I'm out in the woods, I'll have a Bigfoot experience.

26:07 And then you do, and you crap your pants. Because at some point you are not going to be living that. It's like, Oh yeah, Bigfoot. Oh yeah. Yes, Yes, yes, yes. Whatever, Whatever to say, right? Yeah. It's crazy. It is crazy. And then you have your experience and then it's like, OK, well, I believe now. And then everyone else is like, yeah, OK bro, OK, OK, yeah, whatever. Exactly. Before we continue though, I want to, and I forgot to do this at the beginning of the episode, I want to shout out the author of the book that I use for my research. The book is called La Yarona Encounters with a Weeping Woman. It is a phenomenal read.

26:47 Mostly stories that she compiled. The author is Judith Shaw Beatty and illustrations by Anita Otelia Rodriguez. Very very interesting stuff. There's some really, really good stories in here and I purposely did not include most of I included, I think, three stories from this book. But that's because as I I typically do, I don't want to take away from the author. I like to push authors and their their hard work work. So highly recommended anybody listening to this episode by today or when it comes out on the audio only platforms in late December or early January. The book again is called La Yorona encounters with the Weeping Woman by Judith Shaw Beatty. That's where I got all my research from. Very, very interesting stuff.

27:34 And while I was out there buying books, I found a La Yorona pop Look at her nice. How cool is that? It's from, it's from the movie The Curse of La Yorona. So yeah, there's actually 2 versions of it. And this is this is the the rare ones got a little chase sticker right there. There you go. Yeah, I don't even know what the other one looks like, but yeah, she'll she'll find a permanent home right there next to my other ones. Yeah, it's funny because I got Krampus right here. So I'm just missing Slender Man. I wonder if they make a Slender Man pop. I'll have to look for it. And then we'll have the the Boogeyman collection up there among my moth man and and big feats. Yeah.

28:21 Guys, ready to continue on with the journey. Ready. How did I do with that write up? By the way, George, did I do OK so far? Yeah, so far good. Good. We're going to dive into a little bit of pop culture here. This is something that we don't typically dive into, but I thought after doing the research that I did because the book didn't dive into pop culture, so I had to go to outside sources for pop culture, mostly Google. Going to be honest with you, but it is all over the place. It's everywhere. There's tons and tons of pop culture references of La Yorona pop culture. The legend of La Yorona has left a significant mark on pop culture, appearing in various forms of media over the years. The first cinematic adaption of the tale appeared in 1933 in the film La Yorona.

29:11 Since then, there have been several movies of the same title, including a 1960 Mexican version and a 2019 Guatemalan version. In addition to these, the story has inspired films such as The Curse of the Crying Woman of 1963, Vomiter 31 2008, Jo Kel 2007, and The River The Legend of La Yarona. Other notable films include Revenge of La Yarona, The Whaler La Yorona, and the 2019 supernatural thriller The Curse of La Yorona. The most recent addition to the cinematic universe is The Legend of La Yorona from 2022. La Yorona has also made her way into literature with the young adult novel Paula Santiago and the River of Tears, the first book in a trilogy inspired by the legend. 15 poet Deborah A Miranda wrote a thought provoking piece titled Advice from La Yorona, exploring themes of grief and loss through the lens of the weeping spirit and music. La Yorona has long been a symbol of sorrow and has been immortalized in various songs.

30:24 The Mexican folk song La Yorona, first sung by Andre Henesterosa in 1941, has been covered by many artists including Lhasa Da Sela, who named her debut album after the Legend. The Los Angeles based rock band Manic Hispanic also released a song titled Quote She Turned into La Yorona on their 2003 album. Television has not been immune to La Yorona's haunting presence either. She has appeared in several popular series, including Supernatural, Grim, Craig of the Creek, and Riverdale. Additionally, La Yarona has been featured in video games and comics, cementing her place as a timeless figure in pop culture.

31:08 Her endearing legacy across all these mediums speaks to the universal theme of loss, grief, and the consequences of guilt, making La Yarona a figure that continues to haunt our imaginations. Right after that, I got one more section and we're we're pretty much done. George, how big is La Yorona to the culture there? It's big man. The only thing is that many people thinks that the sound is going to be like, I miss echos, something like that. But as you can hear in those videos is completely different. It's even worse.

31:54 It's even worse. So, yeah, it's completely big. So everyone in Mexico is going to know about this. And also maybe Central America and also South America. And yeah, it's, it's part of the it's part of the Mexican culture. So yeah, it's pretty big. And we are going to find a lot, a lot of information there. Yeah, we've here here in the States, we do a lot of festivals and and celebration of some of our our favorite urban legends like locally here Elmwood does UFO days just you know, 3030 minutes from Jake and I here. Do you, are you aware of any celebrations of the such for the spirit of law, your owner?

32:38 No, no, we don't have that. We don't have that. It's it's more like what the people is telling the others, like a celebration for like, no, no, we don't have nothing like that. So I came from originally, I'm from Central California and I have a lot of Mexican friends that came from there and I never heard of this. And I'm curious as to whether it it, the urban legend extends from Mexico into the Southern United States. So like California, Arizona, Texas and things like that. Have you heard of any other cultures that celebrate this sort of thing or not celebrate Revere or I guess extend the legend of La La Rona to other parts in into the United States?

33:31 Because it'd be interesting to find that out. I can answer that. It does. It does, yeah. The American Southwest is the culture down there is, is highly influenced by the urban legend of Lagorona. We're going to get into in this very next section some some encounter stories and some some very historical sightings of Lagorona. And a lot of them, I want to say actually most of the ones that I that I say are actually from the American Southwest, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, I think too. What about California? I don't know if I have any in California, but I would imagine because I mean, I've been to Camarillo and Oxnard, right, Yeah and down to San Diego a one time and the, the Mexican culture is very strong there.

34:21 So I would be very surprised if it if it wasn't. I have coming from California myself. I have never heard of this. Yeah. So surprising, right? Because California is incredibly, well, I mean, like the state's so big, you get all the different like types of landscapes in one state. So you get the mountains, you get the the valleys, you get the sand dunes, you get the beach, right. You get all that sort of stuff. And even still, knowing plenty of Mexican Americans, Hispanics, all those sorts of things, all different types of cultures even. Yeah, yeah. I mean, blacks, hmongs, all, all the cultures, right? Everything in between.

35:05 But I've never heard of this urban legend from any of my friends. Anybody's talking about it like the abuela talking about this sort of thing like it's never happened before. And so I was just curious about it. You should ask. I mean, when they say, hey, we're going to go over to the lake and go freaking, you know, we're going to be dragging a tube. But you'd expect them to say something about it, you know, dragging on a boat and a tube, you know? There's a thing like me and Creamer were talking about this the other night. I forget exactly what we're talking about, but you know, once you start getting to different cultures, right, different areas, things are the they're just name different. They're slightly different. Like you guys were talking earlier. What was it called?

35:48 The woman in the white dress or whatever the fuck you guys were saying. A woman in a white dress. I don't know what you said. I never. Know. Why, Yeah, Yeah, this is new to me, but you know what I mean? Like it's like the same story pretty much, just like in a different culture, like over there, you just get far left over there and it's the same shit going on. So I think it's probably like the reason you're not, you don't know about it or you don't hear about it from like you're saying Jake is because they they're just talking about something else. They're talking about the woman in white or whatever. Like that's their thing over here, you know? That could be too. That could be true that there definitely could be local urban legends in the area that that mask the culture of of La Urona. And if you live in Florida, they're like, don't go near the water because an alligator will eat you like it's so there's. Prove to me that those exist.

36:38 Go ahead, I'm waiting. Bro I'll have a Bigfoot throw when I actually. Do well in in the Central Valley, in Fresno, it's don't stay out too long at night or the Fresno nightcrawler will get you. So I mean, I guess. You get attacked by white sweatpants. Yeah, the fresh night crawler will turn you into sweatpants. I wonder if this is like, you know, I guarantee you, and maybe Jeremy will get into it. I don't know. But you know, if you went to some other culture on the other side of the world, somewhere in like, the Middle East, there's probably a similar thing to this as well, right? Oh yeah, well, I did talk about this a little bit already. Actually, I want to say I talked about it in the intro. Could have been in a descriptive piece, but we talked about South America, Europe, couple Asian Russia, Australia, couple different examples I'd I'd given out of literal woman in white spirits so that that that shared. I wouldn't say genre, but like if you're looking at it from a. Taxonomical.

37:37 Thing it'd be the same genus. Sure. It makes even more sense to me when you mention the fact that it goes back as well to, you know what I would consider ancient at least, right? A few 100 years at least, if not thousands of years. That that gives it plenty of time for either just the story and whatever to make its way around the world in various ways or or it couldn't actually be like an actual haunting of some kind. And you know, it happens everywhere. Well, so I got, I got to find the name. I know it's, it's one of the the names I butchered. Let's see the Chiwakotl. Did I say that right?

38:18 George Chiwakotl. Hold on, I'm going to I'm going to Google this name real quick, bring up a picture. But this is from the Aztecs, so. Quetzalcoatl. No, not Quetzalcoatl. This is Chiwakotl here. I'll, I'll bring it up. And this is supposed to be, Yeah. OK, I'm just name. Not I, I know Quetzalcoatl. All right, we'll ask Geraldo. OK, whatever man got me. So this is this is Chewacaddle. Does that look like Quetzalcoatl does it? This is Jeffrey. No. No, no. That one but this. Is also supposed to be a a woman who who Lyrona is supposed to either emulate, take after, or even be the same as.

39:11 Am I? Am I on the right path there, George? Yes. So what did they what did they say about her? La Yarona is often connected to the Aztec goddess Chiwakoto, a deity of fertility and motherhood. Chiwakoto's ghostly screams of my children. We must flee. We're said to reverberate through the canyons of Tenochtitlan. Did I? Did I murder that? I did. Forewarning of the Empire's destruction. And then you have the story of La Malinche. Is that correct? Yes, La. Malinche.

39:52 La Malinche, she was the mistress of the Spanish conquistador a Hernan Cortez. Yes, so. And her spirit is also supposed to still be active and screaming. So you have these really, really old accounts. Of especially when you go back to the Aztecs where they had stories of literally how, you know, modern tellings of LA Yerona literally seem like they're just the next generation of.

40:33 So I, I know we, we, we tend to put a lot of weight, weight into that here in the show, Like when we talk about, you know, like Bigfoot or like, like the knock, knock or other, you know, Bigfoot lore, we like to look and see if Native Americans have stories and stuff. I mean, this is basically, you know, the, the same concept, right? They have really, really old stories of being just just along the same exact lines of La Yarona. So there's got to be something there screaming out into the night, right? Yes. Yeah, absolutely. I, I think it's impressive. I like it, like a lot. Y'all seen the show Love death or robots? I did.

41:15 This is reminding me of the episode The Habaro. It it does, doesn't it? Sort of. Are you talking about the one where? It's not. It's the Spanish conquistadors coming into South America to eliminate the Aztecs. And it's a animation of this lady that's screaming and calling, calling men to their deaths to drown in the in the lake of the river or whatever it is. Dude the the animation in that one is wild. It is wild, but for some reason, like this whole thing is is reminding me of that. Or rather that episode is reminding me of this. Like there has to have been something that the animators like pulled from in order to make this right? Yeah.

42:05 Although it's probably not the same like unless La La la Rona is screaming out and making people throw themselves into the rivers to drowned. I doubt that right? Unless that's what the urban legend is. But yeah, I'm I'm sure there's some sort of AI, don't know, some sort of parallel. Yeah, because La Eurona is more related to kids. OK, Yeah, yeah, the the episode he's talking about though, I could, I could totally see it. I mean, she's not dressed in white, right? If I remember correctly, she kind of looks like she's Persian almost. Well, she's dressed in in gold.

42:49 Yeah, yeah. Gosh, I wish we wouldn't get a copyright strike for that. That'd be cool to to play. But well, I have to rewatch that. The woman in this urban legend, is she just screaming next to waterways or is the urban legend that she like drags children to their deaths? Does she scare them away or she bring them closer? Yeah, what? What? What is the fear that children have when it comes to law? You're on. It's more like the encounter with her. It's like to be just next to her. Yeah, But yet I don't know how to explain that.

43:30 I don't know the real meaning about that because yeah, sometimes, for example, those videos were when the kid just thrown in the in the river. Right. Yeah, I. Don't know it's somehow related that maybe she's calling the kids or I don't know, that they're playing just next to the river. Maybe they're playing next to the river and then she screams and scares them away from it because of the dangers of drowning and all that sort of stuff Perhaps. So. Yes. So there are a ton of different cultural nuances when it comes to La Urana, right? There are a lot, 1 in particular. And I'm, I'm not sure exactly what region of Mexico or northern South America or Southwestern America it comes from.

44:17 But one of them, the fear is that she will capture children and drown them because she still has that rage, that hatred, that anger in her from her adulterous husband. So she is still trying to, to hurt him. And the way that she wants to do that is by killing his blood, even if it is hers as well. She, she walks around and through her eternity of looking for children along the waterways or her children along the waterways, she now sees all children as her own. So if you are, if you are seen by captured by La Yarona, the fear is that she will drown you.

45:02 And there, there have been, I should have included some of this and exactly the, the region where this particular story comes from. But there, there was even examples of newspaper clippings of, of kids who drowned in, in the area. And then even in, you know, like the, the local newspaper, they, they blame it on the spirit of La Yarona. So I, I'm, I'm not 100% sure about all of the cultures or the, you know, the, the subcultures and what their beliefs are in particular to the, the lie you're on a spirit. But there are a few out there that do believe that she is very dangerous. And then like you were saying, there's also a few that, that I would looked up that use it strictly as a boogeyman.

45:49 And there are even some that where she works with the parents to scare children away from the water to protect them. So it's mostly dependent on the locational culture and, and what they believe about her and what her intent is. So I, I can see that, you know, being influential on what the fear the the child actually has. Like George was saying, coming to a spirit alone here in that whaling could be enough to to be like, yeah, you know what? That's not what I want. And that thought right there alone could keep you away. And then in some more extreme cases and cultures, the actual fear would be that she would grab you, take you underwater and drown you. Gross and.

46:34 At some point she is still, she's still crying. It's so if she wants to take away one of the kids, maybe she's going to take away to the river and that is going to happen. So it's going to be drowned somehow. I'll tell you what's really cool, the artwork that people have made for La Yorona. It is crazy good and there's some there's some really brutal ones too here. I'll, I'll, I'll screen share with you guys so you guys can take a look at some of the artwork that that there's been done. Of course, a lot of it now is AI stuff, but there was there's one in particular where it looked like there was like these two explorers that came in through a marsh that I found and this woman was drowning children as they peered through the reeds of the swamp. It was really, it was incredible. I was some of the some of the stuff is absolutely, it's really pretty.

47:35 Honestly, there's a lot of really, really good artistic stuff done here when it comes to lot your owner. I wish I could find that picture for you guys. You will find a lot. A lot. Oh yeah, lots of really cool stuff. Gosh, I wish I can see I can find that picture for you guys. I'll have to try to find it and send it to you guys because it's really, really neat. All right. You guys ready to dive into the last bit I got? Yes, Sir. All right, we're going to dive into accounts. The Rio Grande 1800s. In the early 19th century, settlers along the Rio Grande in Texas began hearing disturbing stories of a woman's cries reverberating throughout the night. These whales coming from the riverbanks were said to be so mournful and haunting that they sent chills through entire communities. One witness I just messed up.

48:25 Boo this man. A boom Boo him. One witness recalled hearing the cries so clearly that it felt as though they were right outside his window. Driven by curiosity, he ventured down to the riverbank. There, he saw a faint white mist floating just above the water. Before he could react, the figure vanished, believing him, stunned and unable to explain the eerie sighting. This early encounter marked one of the first recorded sightings of La Erona in the American Southwest, where her ghostly presence would soon become a part of the local folklore for all. Mexico, 1897. In 1897, ten year old Miguel Ramiro was spending time with a family friend named Olivia's when their evening took a terrifying turn. As they chatted, a woman in a white dress with her head hung low approached them and asked for the time. When she lifted her face, the boys were shocked to see that it was not a face at all.

49:22 Her flesh had vanished, leaving only a skull. Even more horrifying, inside the black void of her mouth was a tiny version of herself, screaming and walking around. The boys were frozen in fear as a woman suddenly levitated into the air above them. Before she disappeared, she screamed. Donde Estan Mihios, Where are my children waking up the entire town with her chilling cry. Santa Fe, NM 1925 In 1925, a family in Santa Fe, NM experienced a haunting encounter that they believed was with La Yarona. The children's grandmother often warned them to stay inside when they heard the strange cries near the Creek. One fateful night, however, the children disobeyed and peeked out the window.

50:10 What they saw near the water was a woman dressed in white. Her face, they claimed, was hollow, skeletal, with eyes that faintly glowed in the darkness. The next morning, the family found strange, unexplainable footprints near the Creek, but there was no sign of the mysterious woman. What had the children really seen and was it by Corona? Santa Fe, NM in 1945 In 1945, Augustine and his brother Paul were walking down Ramiro St. late at night when they saw something they could not explain. A ball of fire hovered in the sky before descending and transforming into a bundle of quilts. As they approached it, the quilts parted to reveal something truly unsettling. A baby, but not an ordinary one.

50:52 This child had a grotesque face with sharp Jagger like teeth and it grinned at them. The brothers were terrified, running back to their home in fear, and the next day they shared their experience, claiming that they had seen by Uranus child. Las Vegas, NM 1953 In 1953, Ray Lucero was on his way to visit his father in La Jolla, Texas, when he encountered a strange woman on the side of the road. She was hitchhiking, dressed in a long black cloak. Acknowledge Ray. Despite the eerie silence, he decided to pick her up, but soon felt uneasy. He noticed one of her hands was hidden in the cloak, possibly holding something dangerous. Fearing for a safety, Race stopped the car and ordered the woman to get out.

51:36 As he turned to look at her, she vanished, leaving Ray alone in the car. But just as he was about to drive off, he heard a blood curdling scream in the distance. And was this the cry of Lyrona, Mexico City, 1959 Fast forward to 1959, when a next Mexico City cab driver shared a spy and chilling experience. One night, he picked up a woman dressed in white who asked to be taken to the canal. She spoke softly, her voice full of sorrow. When they arrived, the woman handed him a silver coin from her pocket as payment. He turned to thank her, but she had vanished into thin air. Upon inspecting the coin, the driver discovered it was minted in the 1800s, adding an unsettling layer to an already eerie encounter.

52:17 This strange tale quickly became one of Mexico's most famous urban legends, further cementing Laurona's presence in the country's folklore. Fort Garland Co, 1963 In August of 1963, Lydia Avant and her brother were driving when the car ahead of them suddenly swerved and crashed. The vehicle in front of them barreled down an embankment, killing all four passengers. But there was something unusual about what led up to the incident. The driver of Lydia's car, who had swerved to avoid the crash, later claimed to have seen a woman standing in front of the car ahead of them. She was dressed in an all black gown and veil. After the crash, no trace the woman was found, but police did discover her black veil at the scene. Was this mysterious woman an apparition of La Urana haunting the highway?

53:06 Texas 1980s In the 1980s, a group of friends camping near Medina River in San Antonio, TX had an unforgettable experience. While sitting around the campfire, they heard a blood curdling scream coming from the river. Initially dismissing it as a cry from an animal, they were soon to witness something far more terrifying. A woman in a flowing white dress pier, walking across the river, not in it, but above it. She moved slowly, her feet never touching the water. Terrified, the campers fled and abandoned their campsite. When they returned the next morning, they were shocked to find the area soaked as if it had rained the night before, despite the fact that no rain had fallen. What had they seen, and was it truly La Yarona? San Diego 2007 In 2007, a mother from San Diego, CA shared a haunting experience involving her young son. Late at night, her son woke her up, claiming to have seen a woman outside his bedroom window crying softly. Initially thinking it was a nightmare, the mother soon heard it too, a low, sorrowful moan coming from outside the house. When she looked out, she saw a woman dressed in white standing under a street lamp.

54:15 Though the woman's face was obscured, her mournful cries were unmistakable. The mother called out, but before she could do anything more, the figure vanished, leaving only an eerie silence in its wake. These sightings, spanning over a century, suggest that the story of Lagorona is far more than just a tale meant to frighten children. Whether it's the cries of a mother searching for her lost children or a chilling manifestation near water, these real life encounters persist to this day. For those who have witnessed her, the experience is undoubtedly real and terrifying. La Yarona's presence and folklore is as deep in haunting as the rivers and lakes she is said to haunt. Whether a reflection of collective grief or a genuine supernatural force, the legend of La Yarona continues to captivate our imaginations and may very well still be out there waiting. Thank you for joining us tonight and exploring the airy truth behind La Yarona.

55:09 Stay vigilant, her cries say one day reach your ears. All right, So what do you guys think? Well, there's definitely something. I mean, I think Jake would probably say it's demonic, but there's definitely something. No, no, no. No, no. I'd say it's more. Of the natural while you're speaking, I looked up the top predators animal wise in Mexico and wolves or and Pumas and Jaguars at the top. So I'd say. That wolves, probably. Have to a lot do with the howling. I would say a mix of urban legends and people wanting to get their 15 minutes of fame probably add to a lot of it as well.

55:56 I will say that probably there's people having experiences with demonic beings or angelic beings, depending on the circumstances surrounding it, saying like, hey, get your kids away from the river 'cause they're about to drown versus or like I'm going to bring your kids to the river to drown them, right type stuff. So depending, right, there's probably a mix, but I would say that it's more on the natural aspect of people believing an urban legend and then. They hear a. Wolf howl or they hear a coyote or they hear something else and they're like, Oh my gosh, it's it's that right? But I could be wrong.

56:42 You know, I think that we see there's a lot with Bigfoot, right? People believing in urban legends or, or like Bigfoot sightings. And they all want either their 15 minutes of fame or they're willing to see something like say a black bear walking on his hind legs doing their water like they do and they're bouncing back and forth for a couple seconds. So like, oh, I see a Bigfoot right type stuff. This could be misidentification in the same way, right? Like you have this culture that believes in the same thing where it's, you know, this this woman's going to either depending on where you're at, going to kill your kids or save your kids, right? And you might see something or hear something and automatically attribute that to well, that was what it was. I wouldn't go full in and say this is demonic, unlike Jeff thinks.

57:34 I would say it's more natural and more along the lines of a culture that's deep seated into an urban legend that may believe that this is the cause of certain sounds, certain events, things like that, when some of it may be godly, right? Maybe divine intervention, right? Like you, you hear a sound and you rush out to your children and find that they're struggling in the river and you snatch them out of it, right? Could be divine intervention, some of it could be chance, like who's to say? But I wouldn't immediately myself point towards a supernatural for this event as far as sounds go.

58:18 Now, the videos that George shared with us that were the howling, the one video was howling, which could be a wolf or whatever it was. It doesn't matter. Population size. I just left a, a city with a population of 160,000 and there's still wolves and Bobcats and all kinds of stuff like, you know, animals get in the way of, of human civilizations all the time. But the, the other video that was like the blood curling scream. That's something I don't know what to put to that. I don't know.

58:58 I, I know that like mountain lions, they can sometimes scream and it sounds kind of like, like a baby crying and stuff like that. It kind of trips people out or like like a woman crying or screaming. It can, it can wreck people that have never heard that before. But that one was long and it was drawn out. Now that one was weird, like very weird. And to that I, I don't know of an animal that I, I, I could attribute that sound to. So that one in itself was very, very strange. The only thing I could point at and I kind of chuckled. We first played it was my, what was my Aztec whistle, right? That Oh yeah, your death whistle. But.

59:40 Even even that. It's it doesn't have any any pitches to it, right. It's one long drawn out sound. It's not it doesn't have any pitches or anything like that. And that was pretty wild to hear. So I don't know. I would learn more natural, less supernatural, but I don't know. I don't know dude, Jeff, you got. Anything to add? Well, I mean, I'm not. Big on ghosts? Personally, however, like I do believe in something, right? Obviously we talked about interdimensionals, we talked about spirituality, we talked about all these like other realms and things like this. So, you know, why couldn't paranormal activity fit into this?

1:00:25 You know? So that's kind of where I'm at with it, even though it's not really like something that I've ever really thought about too hard, you know? I don't know. It doesn't. It doesn't freak me out until. It freaks me out, you know, if I'm out there, like I said and I heard that I'm freaked out, dude, something's there for sure. But you know, I just, I've never encountered anything that I would attribute to like any type of hauntings or paranormal activity. Personally I have encountered like some weird, you know, blending of the. Realms, if you will. But nothing like paranormal. That's called psychedelics. And some of it has been. Induced by. Psychedelics, I will admit, but not all of it. Not all of it.

1:01:10 All right, personal opinion. I think there's something here, and This is why throughout all the stuff that we've researched on this podcast, there has been, well, not even just on this podcast, but just in the realm of 40 and studies, the studies of the strange and the unusual. There are five things that are worldwide. Doesn't matter where you are, right? These stories pop up. One of them Bigfoot, doesn't matter if you're talking about the Bigfoot, you're talking about the Almas, the Yama, the the orang Pandek, the IT doesn't. You pick a land chunk or chunk of land in the world and you could find some sort of Bigfoot legend there, right?

1:01:55 Something of a of an upright walking Yeti type creature. Same thing with Phantom. Black dogs. Right, we've talked about phantom black dogs Amnesium here. I have multiple episodes still left to go. Eventually we'll we'll finish that up, which actually Mexico has their own phantom black dogs as well. Then you dive into the world of grey aliens and UF OS again. That's four things. That doesn't matter where you are on this floating blue marble or dinner plate, whichever camp you're in, these things exist and they they seem to have paid visits and we have stories of them there. The last one is the woman in white. Every single culture, every land mass would seem to have had some story of a woman in white.

1:02:48 There's something out there. There's something out there, but what? But they're different. So are. So are big feats. No, no, no. But Yeti is completely different the. Orangpan deck is only three feet tall. There's look, they're different, some of them. Not warning. Some of them are caution, some of them are, but that's that comes down to. Cultural influence. That's it. It's the same thing for. Phantom black dogs in. America, they are said to be protectors, but you go over to England where we speak the exact same language, they're omens, right? Right. They're omens. But where is? Where?

1:03:28 Is the truth in it? What do you mean? Where's the truth in it? Where's what they actually? Are versus the cultural reference or the cultural belief and then what they actually are point to what I believe that they actually. Are I have no idea what they could actually be. All I'm saying is that if you're if you're throughout time and throughout cultures spanning both distance and time, and you're still coming up with the same story no matter where you are, but you have these slight cultural differences. Something's there. I I just, it's not slight if they're going to. Save you versus kill you, but it's the same thing with big feet. There's like the Almas is supposed to be pleasant. The rock ape of Vietnam will literally smash your head in. I mean, it's Yeah, well, that's a different. It's not a.

1:04:14 Different culture, it's different location. This is the same thing. And what are you talking about? What are you talking about? This is that's comparing. Like in my mind, that's comparing a biological animal to a cultural belief. That's like saying like, I think, I think you're only getting caught up by. The veil of the paranormal. Yeah, that's it. Yes, that's that's. That's all. That's all You're getting caught up. Like, you know, when you come down to here in America, in America, if you look at it, you take away the, the Bigfoot cultural beliefs across the entire world and you look here, just in America, you have the Gug way who's supposed to just RIP things apart. You have the, the, the wood booger who is supposed to steal and, and you know, get a little violent every once in a while. But yet the, the Patty of the Northwest is supposed to be pleasant and the, the, the gosh, I can't the the ancient hominid of the Northeast, you know, over where New England and, and I don't know, man, southeastern Canada. These are all supposed.

1:05:27 To be. That's like saying the. The squirrels on the West Coast. Yeah, Will, Will. Rip your pockets apart. To find out what you have so they can eat it. And the squirrels on the East Coast are calm and collective and you can give them a, a, a peanut every once in a while. They'll be happy you're you're comparing No, no, no natural so. Tell me the difference. Between a red wolf and a. Gray wolf It doesn't matter between a brown bear and. A black bear. You're comparing. A brown bear. You're you're comparing. Bro, you're comparing freaking living animals yeah to the supernatural. Why? Why?

1:06:07 Why is that wrong? Because it's different. Could it? Be yes or it is? Is it just different? Because you believe it to be. No, you're comparing. You're literally. Comparing living beings a ghost and you're like, it's the same No, I'm. Comparing. Urban legends and and cultural beliefs. Ghosts and demons. And what not to listen man. You know. You know right now. You know I I literally believe with all my heart and soul that a upright walking primate walks the woods around this planet, right? Do we have physical evidence that it does? No.

1:06:50 So it is paranormal. It is. Other than no it it is not. It is. Other than, it is not. It's. Cryptozoological. It's not paranormal, but I don't think the I. Don't think the term. Paranormal is paranormal relies on ghosts. Demons and spirits. Extra normal. Right. So like if you mean like supernatural. Yeah, so if you if the thing you. Believed in also could mind speak and phase in and out of existence then yeah, But you don't believe in that. You believe in that You're right you're right. I. Don't, but there's there's a ton of people out there that do believe that Bigfoot does my speak. There are tons of people out there.

1:07:30 I mean shoot, we've had Carter Bush heart on the show 4 times and he's he's written. We all know they're crazy. All right, let's not get into it, All right? It's just an animal. They thought what it would say in their own heads and they thought it and they're. Listen, man, said it to me. Listen. We have talked. At Newsome about possible alternate dimensional beings coming over and bleeding into the veil of the physical realm. It doesn't mean they exist. It doesn't mean they exist. But you constantly talk about another dimension. Yeah. Of humans and angelic. Yeah. Who's to say that this isn't angelic or demonic? I'm not saying it's not. Well, that's what I'm saying. What? Why are you? Come on. Why? George back in. Come on, bro.

1:08:11 Come on, bro, this guy's full of crap. All right? We pinned it down. This guy doesn't know nothing. Me and George aren't where it's at. All right? The. Thing here. In this case is that there is. Something and with the time, maybe something could change because of the parents, because of the culture, because of the time. So, but there's something. Yeah, for sure there is something, but it's changing with the time, maybe the different versions that we have and things like that. I think there's truth in numbers. And if you. Telling me that billions of accounts are throughout time and that every single one of them is incorrect or miss misidentification. Then I think you're crazy. Well, here's my thing is that.

1:08:53 Culture doesn't change the way things are, so you could say in your culture that a grizzly bear is just some like smoke of the bear. It's just he just wants to tell you that not to start forest fires. It doesn't mean he's going to rip your arms and legs off and eat you while you're still alive. Right type stuff. That's true. Exactly does not. Change the way. Things are, so your belief in what a thing is or isn't doesn't change what it is. So my question is, despite what all the different cultures say, what's the truth in it? What's the I guess the not to be all algebraic, but the the mean sort of belief in it, right? What's the average?

1:09:41 Is it a omen or is it a get your math or what is it? Take your math, Get out of here, get. Out of here with that get. Your math you get out of here. You want. You want to. Talk. You want to talk about math? You want to talk about math? I got I got math for you, OK? Billions of people throughout history has spotted a Bigfoot. There has been one story that has made the the history books as somebody got kidnapped and returned from being kidnapped with a Bigfoot, right? That's the Albert Austin story of where he got dragged in his in his sleeping bag, fed the Bigfoot a bunch of chewing tobacco. The Bigfoot threw up and he ran away, right? But but we still don't. Have accounts of.

1:10:26 People who confronted these things because they probably got mauled to death and they're hanging up in pieces in the woods all around the world, right? Some some dudes ankle is probably in British Columbia and his forearm is down in Georgia because Bigfoot could be crazy. But The thing is, is that do we have accounts of people walking in and meeting these women in white and yet getting close enough to the point to where that now that they're they're back, they're writing stories about it. No, we don't, right. So it could be just like the culture cultural example that you just said, where your culture may believe that grizzly bears are teddy bears and that they'll cuddle you to death. But the reality is, is that they'll RIP you rim from limb from limb.

1:11:09 The same thing with with lady in white, right? So you may believe that it is a simple spirit that that crosses the road. But if you actually stopped and let her into your car, what could happen? And we'll never know those stories because we will never be able to talk to that person again, although we did. Correct SO. Cultures don't. Have to be correct. They don't have to be correct for something to exist, right? Take. Your math we're we're on. The we're on the same page. I'm just saying like, what's what's the, the average account of all these things from all of the stories of the, the, the, the Bing or the spirit or whatever it is.

1:11:50 Jeremy, you're the guy who did all the research. You tell me you would have to look at the. Lady in White on a worldwide scale, and I haven't done that yet. OK, Why so? Because we're only on. Episode 190. Eight. You're telling me that you're rushed. You know what? A code bro. You didn't come in up. Listen. I see. How it is? Listen, you didn't come in hot with with an 8. Parlor on every single fucking sighting, Jeremy, we're having a a hardcore. Argument over here. You, you better bring some stuff, all right, bro. Don't like you, Jeremy, Are you OK? Bro listen man, I I didn't want. I didn't want to make George sit here for six episodes, OK? I wanted him to come on here and have a pleasant experience.

1:12:32 He's not having a pleasant experience. You don't have anything to say about it. It's garbage. Listen, I bought a pop. So I believe it exists, right? Me and George, Me and George. Are boys, Jeremy? You're out. You're out of the circle of trust, all right? That's the way it is. Me and George. You're the new. You're the new. Host of the infinite. Rabbit hole? That's right. Buckle our bud. You got this. Jeremy doesn't know nothing. I need water. All right, George. Well. Jake's an asshole. So I'll never get my. Answers all right? Cool. Expert skeptic as you can.

1:13:14 See, I'll never get my answers like the how it. Is do we have any questions from the chat come? On chat come through nothing. OK, George, I don't know anything about your your social media print. Do you do anything? Is there anything that you'd like to push, anything that you, that you want these listeners of the infinite rabbit hole to know about you or anything? Well, I. Have a lot of legends. From Mexico so if at some point you want to talk a little bit about for example, Tampico, Tampico is a city in Mexico that is protected by the UFOs, so it's a pretty nice city so when the. Hurricanes are coming.

1:13:59 To that city, I don't know what happened, but the hurricane is taking a different direction. So that city, everyone is telling that that it is protected by the UN 10 pico like the drink. Yeah. So good, so delicious. Yeah, actually. I think it's from there. Yeah, it's. Like your weekly serving of? Sugar in one one bottle. But it's so good inside the Mexican city that believes it's. Protected by aliens? Yeah, that's really cool. It's in the coast, it's in the Gulf of. Mexico, it's in that area, yeah, you can take a look of that city because they have a lot of information there. OK, I just bought a book of. Course you did.

1:14:44 I. Just bought a book, so eventually listeners, we will be diving into that too because that that sounds really cool. That sounds really cool. Hopefully it's in English. I just want to say thank you for your time guys it. Was really nice to share this experience that I had in the past. So thank you. No, thank you man. Thank you really. This is great. Appreciate it. Thank. You wild, wild. Videos, man, especially that one that's nuts that's nuts I'm. Going to think about that. No, it's creepy. We should somehow get that. Audio. And see. If we can. I would absolutely splice that audio. Into the actual episode no worries not from the phone though, but you know like. Get it? Yeah, yeah.

1:15:25 Yep, I got you. I'll. Do it. I don't know why I wasn't playing. That's crazy. Because you suck at this game. And I'll I'll also. With with George's permission, which we'll talk about off of air, but I'll I'll post that video on the socials too, so that people listening to the show. If you guys want to re listen to just that, you guys can go to the infinite rabbit hole socials and as long as George gives me the thumbs up, we'll we'll go ahead and post that for everybody all right, anything else last words, everybody No, I have one. More thing to say. You got, you got. Anything else follow me on all. My shit. Shadow man pod, click on my name in the chat, follow me there too.

1:16:10 That's all I got. Bro don't. I've been following the chat. Just what do you talk about? Blasting infinite rabbit hole links this whole. Time I get a plug, I get a plug. No you don't. You don't get a plug. You don't deserve a plug. All right, I. Want to talk about this? This right here when somebody sent me a gift and I don't know who it is and this is the letter that they sent with the gift. I love your show. A random fan. It's Kenzar. I don't think it. Is I I have. Grilled Kenzar about it and she says no. I asked Kenzar and she said no. Yeah, so. They sent me these little figurines. They sent me these little.

1:16:55 Figurines right here with all the little little cryptids. I got a little jackalope right there. Not that I mean it's really cool stuff right and then like this, I thought this was freaking cool. It's a little can't round with a Bigfoot on in it. Look at look at the motor. Have you checked any of those for listening? Devices No. Or not? I haven't checked it for anthrax yet either, so anthrax would be a good one to check for or? Ticking. Any type of ticking sound ticking? I should probably look for the. Ticking, huh? I think it's I. Think it's great. Thank you. For the gifts, little weird that you found my address but so by all means if if it was from you, please message me on a social.

1:17:40 Let me know who you are, the random fan. It's definitely not Kenzer. Both Jeremy and Jake's packages still sitting on my table because Canada Post is on strike and all other shipping services are pricey. Laugh a laugh. I was smart. About Jeff's gift. She got us off. I haven't received anything. Kid, is it supposed to be here already? I don't check my mail very often. I'm a terrible human anyways, so. Thank you creepy person, I love you. I really do appreciate the gifts. They're up here. All of them except for the the map. Bro you better you got to calm. Down saying I love you, you're going to get a box full of tubes, necks, like every way it goes. I got a really cool freaking map. Of the United states like.

1:18:33 This is. Freaking sweet dude. Look at this, look at that, look at that. Why? Look at that. I'm looking at that. I got to. Move my entire freaking studio around just to make room for this map. It's so cool. Like I know I really like this stuff. It's it's awesome. I just wish that I knew how you got my address. That's that's the only thing. Like it's just kind of weird, but well, it is 2025. Almost. And you are on the Internet, brother. It's not that hard. Yeah, it was very. Nice enough to break down how somebody could have found my stuff in less than 30 seconds. Yeah, I could literally find your shit. In like fucking a minute if I wanted to, yeah.

1:19:15 So I guess it's not really that. Big of a mystery. I still like to know who you are. I like to say thank you and and no, you're not creepy. That's it. There's no return address or anything. The return address was from Missouri. That's all I can say. I'm going to send you Dildo. Misery loves company, I got. To go. It's past my bedtime. All right, all right. George, sorry for keeping you up so late. I do appreciate you very much for coming on to the show. It's been a pleasure, my friend. And if you ever want to deal with this again, then next time we cover something from from Mexico, Latin America, northern South America, we'll we'll let you know and we'll have you back on. Yeah, sure.

1:19:56 And then let me see if I can get. Some evidence? Yeah, maybe. Yeah, he's going to be. Happy. Just to try to explain that we also. We also do tequila taste tasting just nice. Let us let us know, man. We do now. All right, George, go ahead and stay back for a minute after I stop the live feed. Just want to say everybody in the chat, thank you for stopping in and checking out another episode of the infinite rabbit hole. For those of you that are listening to us on Spotify, YouTube, Apple Podcast, or your favorite podcast player of choice, stop in twitch.tv/inferno Rabbit Hole every Sunday night at 8:00 PM Central time.

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