199. The Legend of La Llorona w/ Special Guest, Yorye

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In Central America, the northern
regions of South America, and

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the North American Southwest,
there exists a chilling legend

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of a restless spirit, a woman
doomed to wander endlessly

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searching for her lost children.
Her cries, mournful and heart

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wrenching, echo through
riverbeds, lakes and arroyos,

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embodying the eternal pain of a
mother consumed by grief and

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guilt.
This is the tale of Lyrona, the

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Weeping Woman.
Her legend transcends borders

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and cultures of time and
physical distance, with scholars

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finding parallels and myths
worldwide.

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From Lilith of Hebrew mythology,
a vengeful spirit tied to lost

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children, to the German Dewiefle
Frau, a ghostly figure of

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sorrow, and Lamia of Greek lore,
a woman transformed into a

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monster after the loss of her
children.

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In Mesoamerica history, La Erona
is often connected to the Aztec

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goddess Chiwokoro, a deity of
fertility and motherhood.

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Chiwokoro's ghostly screams of
quote My children, we must flee.

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We're said to reverberate
through the canyons, forewarning

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the empire's destruction.
Some say La Yorona is

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intertwined with the tragic
story of La Mellenche, the

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interpreter and mistress of
Spanish conquistador Hernan

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Cortez.
La Mellenche, blamed by many for

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aiding the fall of her people,
is said to have taken her own

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life and her sons after Cortez
abandoned her to return to

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Spain.
This fusion of historical and

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mythical narratives has cemented
La Yorona as a figure of

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betrayal, loss, and endless
sorrow.

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Descriptions of La Yorona vary
widely.

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Most commonly she is a ghostly
woman clad in flowing white

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dress, her long black hair
framing her tear streaked face.

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In some tales, she rides a
spectral horse, in others, she

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appears as a towering figure
over 9 feet tall.

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Occasionally, she is seen as a
fiery orb hovering over the

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waters as she haunts.
And while most stories claim she

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drowned her children in a fit of
rage or despair before taking

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her own life, some variations
say her children were stolen or

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murdered, leaving her to search
in vain for eternity.

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Today, we unravel the layers of
myth, history and folklore

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surrounding the spirit of the
Weeping Woman.

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What's up Jake?
How you doing dude?

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I'm good.
We we're into Wisconsin deer

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season and it's day 2 and I
dabbed myself a big old dough

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and got her in the freezer and
everything's good.

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It's awesome.
I'm just.

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Stoked, yeah.
Deer meat for days, huh?

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Deer meat for.
Days is.

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That's so sick bro.
Send me some dude, I'll send you

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some fish in return.
Well, how about you come up and

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you have some?
The rule is neither of you can

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refrigerate it, you just have to
send it.

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Send it.
It's.

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Fine by by pigeons.
By pigeons, all right.

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Cool.
African swallows maybe?

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Very good, Jeffrey.
How's your day, man?

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What's going on?
It's going man.

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Things are good, bro.
I'm getting the house together.

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Crystal's almost fully moved in
and the house is fully decked

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out.
The podcast studios coming

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together, got some more toys to
play with.

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Making money, you know, doing
the thing bro.

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Good stuff man.
You're going to have yourself a

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producer here soon.
Going to have a producer here

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soon things are about to change
new camera coming tomorrow man

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things things are about to
you're.

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Going to be able to see 30 Gray
hairs on his face, not just 15.

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Oh yeah.
Actually, to be honest with you,

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the camera that's coming is
about the same quality as as

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this iPhone camera.
He can't send on text not to use

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my iPhone.
Now I can play on my phone while

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you're talking.
Thanks, man.

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You're, you're a gem.
All right.

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Well, we're not here to talk to
you guys today.

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We're here to talk to our
special guest.

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We have somebody who is us from
the country that is known for

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this urban legend, this La
Yarona.

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George, what's going on man?
How you doing?

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And welcome to the Infinite
revival.

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Thank you very much.
I'm very happy to be here with

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you guys.
So happy to share this

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experience in this legend that
we have in Mexico because yeah,

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everyone is growing up with this
history and yeah, it's pretty

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nice to share with you.
So how big is it?

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How big is it down there?
Is this something like where

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every kid goes to sleep at night
and worried about the LA Yarona?

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Everyone knows about that.
Everyone.

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Yeah, you are growing up like
that.

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Sometimes the parents are using
this as a you know what if you

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are playing late outside of your
home, Hey, come here please,

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because like you don't know is
going to come with you and take

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it.
That way from your chores or

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else LA Lauren and it's going to
come get you.

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So some parents are using that
just for to take care of the

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children.
So yeah, everyone in Mexico

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knows that.
Yeah, we dive into that a little

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bit today too.
I've created a small

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presentation for us to to listen
to throughout the episode

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tonight.
So we'll dive into the the

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boogeyman aspect as we have in
plenty of episodes here on the

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infinite rabbit hole.
Just same a few we've done

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Slender Man and Krampus from
Austria, which are our other

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boogeyman type critters that
that are that are used to keep

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children behaving.
The the the La Yarona

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specifically seems to be based
around keeping kids home at

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night and away from water.
So so I don't know Jake, Jeff,

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what do you guys think?
Should we start off with the

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video clips?
Our friend here has some really

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awesome clips of some loud
screams or whales coming out of

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the dark.
It's pretty awesome.

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I haven't queued up if you want
to go.

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Yeah, George, you ready to go,
man?

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You ready to go?
Yes.

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I would like to share with you
that this video was recorded in

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the guardhouse of the
neighborhood.

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So this day was raining a lot
and also during those days a kid

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was drowned in a river so I
know.

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It's.
It's kind of funny that we have

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this this video, so please.
Yeah, OK.

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That's all you, Jake.
I got you all right.

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I'm not sure why it's not
playing.

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Yeah, I can't hear it.
Technical difficulties.

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Yeah, obviously Jake, I'll, I'll
go ahead and get into the next

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bit here and then we'll we'll
come back.

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If you could play around with
that, I think you'd be alright

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with that.
Yeah, I'll see what I can do.

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All right, so George, other than
this, have you heard this

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yourself?
I had an experience in 2018.

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I was living in one city.
The name is San Miguel de

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Allende is the state of
Guanajuato.

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So in that state we have a lot,
a lot of legends there.

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So you can take a look of the
history of that state.

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You are going to find a lot.
All right, so this is a small

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town.
It was founded in 1542, so it's

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an Old Town.
Right.

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So it was a rainy day, so it was
like 9:00 PM So at some point

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after the rain, it was really,
really cold.

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And suddenly like 9 PM 9:30 I
start hearing like someone was

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suffering.
All right.

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But the feeling that you have
when you are hearing this is

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like horrific, man.
It's like everything is cold and

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the sound is, well, you are
going to hear it in a few

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minutes, but it's, it is
amazing.

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And after that it took like on
another 2025 minutes.

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And once again I heard that.
So it's like what's going on?

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And the legend mentioned also
that if you are hearing this

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sound very, very close is
because La Yarona is far away

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from you.
But if you are hearing that far

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away from you, it's because it's
really close to you.

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All right.
That's interesting.

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Yeah.
I don't know why is that, but

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yeah, it is kind of interesting
so.

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I have to ask, right, Because we
have to cross off all the TS and

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dot all our IS here.
Yeah.

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Is there any?
Are there any known animals in

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the area that sound anything
like a woman screaming or

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crying?
Not really.

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Not really.
Unfortunately, it's not like

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Wisconsin.
So we are, we are going to have

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maybe dogs, maybe cats, the
city.

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So no, it's almost impossible
just to have animals like this

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with this kind of voice sound,
but it's almost impossible.

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Yeah, La Yorona.
Oh, by the way, I'm going to

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butcher a lot of these
pronunciations as I did with the

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intro there.
So I want to apologize now.

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La Yorona La Yorona, also known
as the Weeping Woman, the

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Wailer, or the Crying Woman, is
one of the most iconic spirits

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in Mexican folklore.
She is said to haunt bodies of

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water, her mournful cries
echoing as she endlessly

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searches for her lost children.
The details of La Yorona's tale

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vary depending on who tells the
story, but at its heart it is a

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tragedy of love, betrayal and
unrelenting guilt.

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The most common version of the
legend tells of a woman named

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Maria who married a man and bore
him two children.

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Their seemingly perfect life
unravelled when Maria discovered

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her husband's infidelity.
Enraged and heartbroken, she

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drowned her children in the
river in a fit of despair, but

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was immediately overcome with
regret.

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Consumed by her grief, Maria
took her own life in the same

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river.
Her guilt, however, condemned

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her spirit to wander the earth
searching for the children she

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had killed.
Unable to find them, she remains

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an eternal weeping presence,
crying out I mihios or my

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children.
Other variations of the story

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describe Maria as drowning her
illegitimate children to prevent

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their father from taking them
away, or as a mother who

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accidentally caused her
children's death through

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neglect, such as leaving them to
freeze while fleeing her

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husband.
Each version reinforces themes

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of sorrow, guilt, with Maria's
punishment being an eternity of

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mournful wandering.
The story of LA Girona is far

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from unique.
It has parallels and cultures

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from around the world.
She is often compared to the

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White Lady legends found in
European and other global

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folklore.
In Brazil there is Dama Branca,

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in French speaking Canada dames
Blanches.

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Germany has the white wager, the
Netherlands the white we vein,

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the Philippines, Cabarossa, and
these ghostly women like La

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Yorona are often associated with
tragedy, vengeance, or grief,

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haunting specific locations and
warning against certain

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behaviors.
Historically, La Yorona's

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origins may date back to 1550 in
Mexico City, though many believe

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the legend is even older than
that.

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It is often linked to Aztec
mythology, specifically to omens

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of destruction recorded before
the Spanish conquest.

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The Florentine Codices 1519
ethnographic study by Franciscan

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Friar Bernardino de Seguin
mentions an account of a woman

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heard weeping and crying out at
night.

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Quote Oh my children, we are
about to go forever.

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Some attribute this to
Chihokoro, the Aztec goddess of

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childbirth and motherhood, whose
whales were said to forewarn

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great catastrophe.
Regardless of its origin, the

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purpose of La Yorona's tale has
remained consistent.

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She is a boogeyman figure used
to scare children into

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obedience.
Parents tell their children to

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stay away from rivers at night
or risk being taken by La

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Yorona.
This technique mirrors similar

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similar cautionary tales across
cultures.

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In Austria, the Krampus punishes
naughty children, as explored in

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episode 67.
The Netherlands has a boken

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rage.
Yours ghostly riders who target

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neglectful farmers children.
Germany Bootsman is a shadowy

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goblin punishing children who
stay up past their bedtime,

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while Russians Baba Yaga, South
Africa's Tokolosh and Nepal's

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Gromata, as well as in
Indonesia's Weiwei Gambo and

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Japan's Namahae all serve
similar roles in folklore.

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Today, La Yarona remains a
powerful symbol of grief and

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caution, her legend enduring in
stories, films, and personal

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accounts.
Whether as a tragic ghost, a

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cautionary figure, or a cultural
icon, her mournful cries remind

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us of the consequences of our
actions and the power of human

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sorrow.
All right, so OK, go ahead.

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No.
No, that's all I had for that

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write up.
Jake, were you able to get that

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going, man?
No, I'm trying to send it to the

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drive to see if we can play it
from there.

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Yeah, All right, so we got a
comment from the chat.

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The only difference I could see
between this and the woman in

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white is that the woman in white
went after men who cheat and not

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kids.
True.

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So the standard woman in white
urban legend is if you're going

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to talk about the most
stereotypical woman in white

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urban legend, she is a woman who
will stand or spirit of a woman

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who stands on the side of the
road and tries to lure

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adulterous men to pick her up in
their cars so that she can kill

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them.
And that is that is that's the

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woman in white for most parts.
And there are a lot of small

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town roads, big city streets,
very, very, very rural

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locations, even bridges that are
said to have a woman in white

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legend attached to it.
And specifically the one that

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tries to harm adultery men.
She's right.

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La Yorona seems to specifically
target children, whether or not

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that's her her boogeyman aspect
that parents will use.

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And there's actually a a much
broader danger there that we may

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be able to dive into at some
point.

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But the the initial trauma, I
guess he will is like the I'm

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cheating husband, right?
Like, that's still like, the

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same kind of baseline, this
woman haunting because.

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Yeah.
And she took revenge with the

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kids.
So that is a problem.

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And that's why we are telling
all the kids that, hey, take

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care, don't go to the rivers
because La Yorona is going to be

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there.
It's like the revenge of her

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somehow.
But yeah, it's pretty similar.

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Like the husband was cheating on
her.

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Yeah.
So how serious do kids take

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this?
I think now it's completely

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different.
So I can say that maybe 20 years

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ago when you are going to hear
something about La Yorona, you

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were you were going to treat
this very serious.

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Or you know what?
I don't want to talk about this.

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We got it.
Good to go.

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All right, all right, let's
let's listen to this.

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We'll we'll come back to this.
Let's see.

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What are you sipping on, dude?
Sam Adams Oktoberfest is just in

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a jar.
Oh nice.

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Like a freaking hobo, Yeah.
Fuck that dude.

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That was the.
Same.

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Sound that I heard in 2017?
Exactly the same.

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But imagine in a rainy night
alone, hearing that it was like

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a ship.
Bro, if I was outside in the

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woods and I heard, if I was
outside my house and I heard

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that shit, I'd be freaking out.
Right.

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Whether if I was inside my house
and I heard that shit inside my

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house.
And.

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For example in 2017, the
experience that I had was in a

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town that is like maybe 15,000
people there.

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But these these videos are in a
city.

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And there are maybe a million
and a half people living there,

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so it doesn't matter that there
is a small town or a big city.

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It could be there.
That's awesome.

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Nice.
Let's you guys ready for video

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#2 yeah.
Hear the dogs react to that.

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OK, that one, may I, you know,
I'm not there.

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I don't know, right?
But it sounds like maybe some

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sort of coyote or something, or
a wolf perhaps, right?

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Like a howling.
Yeah.

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That's kind of what that one,
Not the first one.

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The first one sounds like my
soul's about to get sucked out

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of my body.
Right.

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Jeremy, can you play the first
one again?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ready.

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Yeah.
Second one definitely sounds

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like a wolf or some type of dog.
I know my dogs like the howl.

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The first one is gross like.
That's like, yeah, I'm watching

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this this show on MGM Plus right
now called from I don't know if

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you guys have watched it at all,
but it is as a phenomenal show.

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And every once in a while,
because the the people from the

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show can't go outside during the
night time, every once in a

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while at night when they're
inside the building, you'll just

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hear this whaling going off.
And that's what it reminds me

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of, man.
I'm not going out there because

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I don't want this thing to suck
my face off, bro.

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So I would like to comment that
in that city, we don't have

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coyotes, we don't have walls, we
don't have nothing like that.

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It's in the city, in the big
city.

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Yeah.
Even with that, it's even more

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difficult to have this kind of
sounds.

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That's crazy.
So what is the water source

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that's there?
It's like 50 yards from there.

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It's a river, yeah.
So the spirit of La Yarona is,

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is known to, to haunt waterways,
right?

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And it's, it's not just any
waterway, right?

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It's not just like a specific
river.

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It's rivers, creeks, ponds,
lakes.

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Exactly.
Everything.

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If it's a water source, it
haunts it.

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Correct?
Because part of her torture is

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to walk all the water sources.
Exactly.

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I'm glad that here in Wisconsin
City we don't have this legend.

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Imagine that we have a lot of.
Rivers here that will be crazy.

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Or, or we we're good.
We're going back to the old, old

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references in the infinite
rabbit hole.

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Good thing we're not in
Minnesota or Finland.

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Land of a Million Lakes.
Because you got you got to

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listen to the Wendigo episode to
learn to learn that inside joke.

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Yeah, look at us plugging things
self selfishly.

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Speaking of plugging things,
I've been using this.

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Now.
This thing to drop these things

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in the chat Dude it is so
streamlined bro are you saying?

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Is it cool?
Bro I'm one fingering putting

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like.
You have set up to our stuff.

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Yeah, Watch ready.
Watch ready, Facebook ready.

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Oh wait, sorry, wrong, wrong
screen.

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Here it is.
And you just push a button and

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it's just just a drop set.
Oh, that's cool, man.

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Yeah, nice.
That is pretty interesting, huh?

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Look, I'm flaunting this money.
At US you can plug that I

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suppose.
You're allowed yeah it's pretty

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sick man and it's got the button
has an A live viewer account.

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I can see that five people are
watching without like just on my

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little button over here because.
It's five, really.

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Yeah.
Well, it's lying to you.

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Well, now it's 4.
Yeah, well, it has been 4.

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Anyways, back to the story.
Stop talking about your, your,

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your new toy guy.
So George, what is what is the

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scariest account that you have
heard?

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Whether it comes from a friend,
a family member, you've you've

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got to have heard some pretty
wild stories of this thing.

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Well, you are going to hear
about this story, but you're

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hearing a lot.
You're hearing a lot, but maybe

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not all the time.
You are going to have the

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experience, right.
So I imagine it was seven years

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ago.
I was 3033 years old.

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So after 33 years old to hearing
that history is like I'm

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believing the experience.
So it's not really easy to hear

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that.
So yeah, for sure there is some

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people that is talking about
even I saw that like you're on A

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and a river.
But yeah, it's like AI saw that.

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Oh, for example, in the
cemetery, the La Yarona is here

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sometimes and the people in the
small towns are talking a lot

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about that.
So no, it's a it's it's a

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cultural thing here.
So could sometime it's not like

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before, like the people is scary
about that.

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Now it's different.
That's crazy man, that's really

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cool.
The only urban legend I had from

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when I was a kid was a local
mental hospital.

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It tells me about, like people
here in North America with

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Bigfoot, they're like, Oh yeah,
I've seen Bigfoot or I've seen

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Bigfoot here and I saw Bigfoot
there and all that sort of

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stuff.
You're like, OK, well maybe one

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day when I'm out in the woods,
I'll have a Bigfoot experience.

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And then you do, and you crap
your pants.

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Because at some point you are
not going to be living that.

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It's like, Oh yeah, Bigfoot.
Oh yeah.

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Yes, Yes, yes, yes.
Whatever, Whatever to say,

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right?
Yeah.

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It's crazy.
It is crazy.

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And then you have your
experience and then it's like,

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OK, well, I believe now.
And then everyone else is like,

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yeah, OK bro, OK, OK, yeah,
whatever.

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Exactly.
Before we continue though, I

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want to, and I forgot to do this
at the beginning of the episode,

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I want to shout out the author
of the book that I use for my

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research.
The book is called La Yarona

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Encounters with a Weeping Woman.
It is a phenomenal read.

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Mostly stories that she
compiled.

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The author is Judith Shaw Beatty
and illustrations by Anita

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Otelia Rodriguez.
Very very interesting stuff.

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There's some really, really good
stories in here and I purposely

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did not include most of I
included, I think, three stories

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from this book.
But that's because as I I

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typically do, I don't want to
take away from the author.

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I like to push authors and their
their hard work work.

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So highly recommended anybody
listening to this episode by

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today or when it comes out on
the audio only platforms in late

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December or early January.
The book again is called La

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Yorona encounters with the
Weeping Woman by Judith Shaw

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Beatty.
That's where I got all my

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research from.
Very, very interesting stuff.

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And while I was out there buying
books, I found a La Yorona pop

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Look at her nice.
How cool is that?

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It's from, it's from the movie
The Curse of La Yorona.

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So yeah, there's actually 2
versions of it.

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And this is this is the the rare
ones got a little chase sticker

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right there.
There you go.

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Yeah, I don't even know what the
other one looks like, but yeah,

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she'll she'll find a permanent
home right there next to my

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other ones.
Yeah, it's funny because I got

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Krampus right here.
So I'm just missing Slender Man.

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I wonder if they make a Slender
Man pop.

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I'll have to look for it.
And then we'll have the the

454
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:18,280
Boogeyman collection up there
among my moth man and and big

455
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,600
feats.
Yeah.

456
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,520
Guys, ready to continue on with
the journey.

457
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,360
Ready.
How did I do with that write up?

458
00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:28,800
By the way, George, did I do OK
so far?

459
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,720
Yeah, so far good.
Good.

460
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,040
We're going to dive into a
little bit of pop culture here.

461
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,800
This is something that we don't
typically dive into, but I

462
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,040
thought after doing the research
that I did because the book

463
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,200
didn't dive into pop culture, so
I had to go to outside sources

464
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,960
for pop culture, mostly Google.
Going to be honest with you, but

465
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,800
it is all over the place.
It's everywhere.

466
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,200
There's tons and tons of pop
culture references of La Yorona

467
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,440
pop culture.
The legend of La Yorona has left

468
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,840
a significant mark on pop
culture, appearing in various

469
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,960
forms of media over the years.
The first cinematic adaption of

470
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,120
the tale appeared in 1933 in the
film La Yorona.

471
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,800
Since then, there have been
several movies of the same

472
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,840
title, including a 1960 Mexican
version and a 2019 Guatemalan

473
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,800
version.
In addition to these, the story

474
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,360
has inspired films such as The
Curse of the Crying Woman of

475
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:35,240
1963, Vomiter 31 2008, Jo Kel
2007, and The River The Legend

476
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,920
of La Yarona.
Other notable films include

477
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,720
Revenge of La Yarona, The Whaler
La Yorona, and the 2019

478
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,320
supernatural thriller The Curse
of La Yorona.

479
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,160
The most recent addition to the
cinematic universe is The Legend

480
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:56,240
of La Yorona from 2022.
La Yorona has also made her way

481
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:02,360
into literature with the young
adult novel Paula Santiago and

482
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,240
the River of Tears, the first
book in a trilogy inspired by

483
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,480
the legend. 15 poet Deborah A
Miranda wrote a thought

484
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,640
provoking piece titled Advice
from La Yorona, exploring themes

485
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,240
of grief and loss through the
lens of the weeping spirit and

486
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,720
music.
La Yorona has long been a symbol

487
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,120
of sorrow and has been
immortalized in various songs.

488
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:29,120
The Mexican folk song La Yorona,
first sung by Andre Henesterosa

489
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:35,440
in 1941, has been covered by
many artists including Lhasa Da

490
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,840
Sela, who named her debut album
after the Legend.

491
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,720
The Los Angeles based rock band
Manic Hispanic also released a

492
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:49,760
song titled Quote She Turned
into La Yorona on their 2003

493
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,400
album.
Television has not been immune

494
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,640
to La Yorona's haunting presence
either.

495
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,760
She has appeared in several
popular series, including

496
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,360
Supernatural, Grim, Craig of the
Creek, and Riverdale.

497
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,680
Additionally, La Yarona has been
featured in video games and

498
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,240
comics, cementing her place as a
timeless figure in pop culture.

499
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,960
Her endearing legacy across all
these mediums speaks to the

500
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,120
universal theme of loss, grief,
and the consequences of guilt,

501
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,840
making La Yarona a figure that
continues to haunt our

502
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:26,560
imaginations.
Right after that, I got one more

503
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,320
section and we're we're pretty
much done.

504
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:36,240
George, how big is La Yorona to
the culture there?

505
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,400
It's big man.
The only thing is that many

506
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:47,280
people thinks that the sound is
going to be like, I miss echos,

507
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,080
something like that.
But as you can hear in those

508
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,000
videos is completely different.
It's even worse.

509
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,440
It's even worse.
So, yeah, it's completely big.

510
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,680
So everyone in Mexico is going
to know about this.

511
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:03,280
And also maybe Central America
and also South America.

512
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,560
And yeah, it's, it's part of the
it's part of the Mexican

513
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,640
culture.
So yeah, it's pretty big.

514
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,960
And we are going to find a lot,
a lot of information there.

515
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,720
Yeah, we've here here in the
States, we do a lot of festivals

516
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:24,880
and and celebration of some of
our our favorite urban legends

517
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:30,320
like locally here Elmwood does
UFO days just you know, 3030

518
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,520
minutes from Jake and I here.
Do you, are you aware of any

519
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,880
celebrations of the such for the
spirit of law, your owner?

520
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,840
No, no, we don't have that.
We don't have that.

521
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,480
It's it's more like what the
people is telling the others,

522
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,320
like a celebration for like, no,
no, we don't have nothing like

523
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,600
that.
So I came from originally, I'm

524
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,760
from Central California and I
have a lot of Mexican friends

525
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,800
that came from there and I never
heard of this.

526
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:03,160
And I'm curious as to whether it
it, the urban legend extends

527
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,080
from Mexico into the Southern
United States.

528
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:13,920
So like California, Arizona,
Texas and things like that.

529
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,560
Have you heard of any other
cultures that celebrate this

530
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:25,560
sort of thing or not celebrate
Revere or I guess extend the

531
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:31,200
legend of La La Rona to other
parts in into the United States?

532
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,920
Because it'd be interesting to
find that out.

533
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,400
I can answer that.
It does.

534
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,760
It does, yeah.
The American Southwest is the

535
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:44,440
culture down there is, is highly
influenced by the urban legend

536
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,680
of Lagorona.
We're going to get into in this

537
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:52,000
very next section some some
encounter stories and some some

538
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,880
very historical sightings of
Lagorona.

539
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,840
And a lot of them, I want to say
actually most of the ones that I

540
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,920
that I say are actually from the
American Southwest, Texas, New

541
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,960
Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, I
think too.

542
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,840
What about California?
I don't know if I have any in

543
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,360
California, but I would imagine
because I mean, I've been to

544
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:17,800
Camarillo and Oxnard, right,
Yeah and down to San Diego a one

545
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,800
time and the, the Mexican
culture is very strong there.

546
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,000
So I would be very surprised if
it if it wasn't.

547
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,000
I have coming from California
myself.

548
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,760
I have never heard of this.
Yeah.

549
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:36,560
So surprising, right?
Because California is

550
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,480
incredibly, well, I mean, like
the state's so big, you get all

551
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,840
the different like types of
landscapes in one state.

552
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,120
So you get the mountains, you
get the the valleys, you get the

553
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,960
sand dunes, you get the beach,
right.

554
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,960
You get all that sort of stuff.
And even still, knowing plenty

555
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,640
of Mexican Americans, Hispanics,
all those sorts of things, all

556
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,160
different types of cultures
even.

557
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,360
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, blacks, hmongs, all, all

558
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,560
the cultures, right?
Everything in between.

559
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,040
But I've never heard of this
urban legend from any of my

560
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,040
friends.
Anybody's talking about it like

561
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,920
the abuela talking about this
sort of thing like it's never

562
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,560
happened before.
And so I was just curious about

563
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,080
it.
You should ask.

564
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,040
I mean, when they say, hey,
we're going to go over to the

565
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,160
lake and go freaking, you know,
we're going to be dragging a

566
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,920
tube.
But you'd expect them to say

567
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,040
something about it, you know,
dragging on a boat and a tube,

568
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,080
you know?
There's a thing like me and

569
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,800
Creamer were talking about this
the other night.

570
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,720
I forget exactly what we're
talking about, but you know,

571
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,040
once you start getting to
different cultures, right,

572
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,520
different areas, things are the
they're just name different.

573
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,480
They're slightly different.
Like you guys were talking

574
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:48,280
earlier.
What was it called?

575
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,960
The woman in the white dress or
whatever the fuck you guys were

576
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,200
saying.
A woman in a white dress.

577
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,080
I don't know what you said.
I never.

578
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,040
Know.
Why, Yeah, Yeah, this is new to

579
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,160
me, but you know what I mean?
Like it's like the same story

580
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,360
pretty much, just like in a
different culture, like over

581
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,760
there, you just get far left
over there and it's the same

582
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,640
shit going on.
So I think it's probably like

583
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,280
the reason you're not, you don't
know about it or you don't hear

584
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,720
about it from like you're saying
Jake is because they they're

585
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:16,080
just talking about something
else.

586
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,120
They're talking about the woman
in white or whatever.

587
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,160
Like that's their thing over
here, you know?

588
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,880
That could be too.
That could be true that there

589
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,680
definitely could be local urban
legends in the area that that

590
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:31,240
mask the culture of of La Urona.
And if you live in Florida,

591
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,800
they're like, don't go near the
water because an alligator will

592
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,320
eat you like it's so there's.
Prove to me that those exist.

593
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,040
Go ahead, I'm waiting.
Bro I'll have a Bigfoot throw

594
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,160
when I actually.
Do well in in the Central

595
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,240
Valley, in Fresno, it's don't
stay out too long at night or

596
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:47,760
the Fresno nightcrawler will get
you.

597
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,520
So I mean, I guess.
You get attacked by white

598
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,440
sweatpants.
Yeah, the fresh night crawler

599
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:58,280
will turn you into sweatpants.
I wonder if this is like, you

600
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,080
know, I guarantee you, and maybe
Jeremy will get into it.

601
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,600
I don't know.
But you know, if you went to

602
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,080
some other culture on the other
side of the world, somewhere in

603
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,160
like, the Middle East, there's
probably a similar thing to this

604
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,120
as well, right?
Oh yeah, well, I did talk about

605
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,640
this a little bit already.
Actually, I want to say I talked

606
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,640
about it in the intro.
Could have been in a descriptive

607
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:24,200
piece, but we talked about South
America, Europe, couple Asian

608
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:29,000
Russia, Australia, couple
different examples I'd I'd given

609
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,360
out of literal woman in white
spirits so that that that

610
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,880
shared.
I wouldn't say genre, but like

611
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,920
if you're looking at it from a.
Taxonomical.

612
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,640
Thing it'd be the same genus.
Sure.

613
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,360
It makes even more sense to me
when you mention the fact that

614
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,680
it goes back as well to, you
know what I would consider

615
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,640
ancient at least, right?
A few 100 years at least, if not

616
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,640
thousands of years.
That that gives it plenty of

617
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:59,120
time for either just the story
and whatever to make its way

618
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,520
around the world in various ways
or or it couldn't actually be

619
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,840
like an actual haunting of some
kind.

620
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,480
And you know, it happens
everywhere.

621
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,720
Well, so I got, I got to find
the name.

622
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:14,200
I know it's, it's one of the the
names I butchered.

623
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,760
Let's see the Chiwakotl.
Did I say that right?

624
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:23,720
George Chiwakotl.
Hold on, I'm going to I'm going

625
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:25,520
to Google this name real quick,
bring up a picture.

626
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:30,800
But this is from the Aztecs, so.
Quetzalcoatl.

627
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,000
No, not Quetzalcoatl.
This is Chiwakotl here.

628
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,000
I'll, I'll bring it up.
And this is supposed to be,

629
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,320
Yeah.
OK, I'm just name.

630
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,920
Not I, I know Quetzalcoatl.
All right, we'll ask Geraldo.

631
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:49,960
OK, whatever man got me.
So this is this is Chewacaddle.

632
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,040
Does that look like Quetzalcoatl
does it?

633
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:56,240
This is Jeffrey.
No.

634
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:58,400
No, no.
That one but this.

635
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:06,240
Is also supposed to be a a woman
who who Lyrona is supposed to

636
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,280
either emulate, take after, or
even be the same as.

637
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,320
Am I?
Am I on the right path there,

638
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,480
George?
Yes.

639
00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:21,600
So what did they what did they
say about her?

640
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:28,120
La Yarona is often connected to
the Aztec goddess Chiwakoto, a

641
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,400
deity of fertility and
motherhood.

642
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,920
Chiwakoto's ghostly screams of
my children.

643
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,320
We must flee.
We're said to reverberate

644
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,320
through the canyons of
Tenochtitlan.

645
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:41,720
Did I?
Did I murder that?

646
00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:44,000
I did.
Forewarning of the Empire's

647
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,560
destruction.
And then you have the story of

648
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,560
La Malinche.
Is that correct?

649
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:51,840
Yes, La.
Malinche.

650
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,160
La Malinche, she was the
mistress of the Spanish

651
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:01,440
conquistador a Hernan Cortez.
Yes, so.

652
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,640
And her spirit is also supposed
to still be active and

653
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,760
screaming.
So you have these really, really

654
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,320
old accounts.
Of especially when you go back

655
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:23,920
to the Aztecs where they had
stories of literally how, you

656
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:29,800
know, modern tellings of LA
Yerona literally seem like

657
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,160
they're just the next generation
of.

658
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,560
So I, I know we, we, we tend to
put a lot of weight, weight into

659
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,240
that here in the show, Like when
we talk about, you know, like

660
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:44,240
Bigfoot or like, like the knock,
knock or other, you know,

661
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,040
Bigfoot lore, we like to look
and see if Native Americans have

662
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,000
stories and stuff.
I mean, this is basically, you

663
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,520
know, the, the same concept,
right?

664
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:57,920
They have really, really old
stories of being just just along

665
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,760
the same exact lines of La
Yarona.

666
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,680
So there's got to be something
there screaming out into the

667
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,120
night, right?
Yes.

668
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,560
Yeah, absolutely.
I, I think it's impressive.

669
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,400
I like it, like a lot.
Y'all seen the show Love death

670
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,200
or robots?
I did.

671
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,160
This is reminding me of the
episode The Habaro.

672
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,880
It it does, doesn't it?
Sort of.

673
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,640
Are you talking about the one
where?

674
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,680
It's not.
It's the Spanish conquistadors

675
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,400
coming into South America to
eliminate the Aztecs.

676
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,280
And it's a animation of this
lady that's screaming and

677
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,960
calling, calling men to their
deaths to drown in the in the

678
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,800
lake of the river or whatever it
is.

679
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,760
Dude the the animation in that
one is wild.

680
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,760
It is wild, but for some reason,
like this whole thing is is

681
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,200
reminding me of that.
Or rather that episode is

682
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,800
reminding me of this.
Like there has to have been

683
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,960
something that the animators
like pulled from in order to

684
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,640
make this right?
Yeah.

685
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:11,200
Although it's probably not the
same like unless La La la Rona

686
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:17,160
is screaming out and making
people throw themselves into the

687
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,760
rivers to drowned.
I doubt that right?

688
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,040
Unless that's what the urban
legend is.

689
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,920
But yeah, I'm I'm sure there's
some sort of AI, don't know,

690
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,960
some sort of parallel.
Yeah, because La Eurona is more

691
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:36,840
related to kids.
OK, Yeah, yeah, the the episode

692
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,080
he's talking about though, I
could, I could totally see it.

693
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,560
I mean, she's not dressed in
white, right?

694
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,480
If I remember correctly, she
kind of looks like she's Persian

695
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,040
almost.
Well, she's dressed in in gold.

696
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,080
Yeah, yeah.
Gosh, I wish we wouldn't get a

697
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,920
copyright strike for that.
That'd be cool to to play.

698
00:42:57,240 --> 00:43:00,160
But well, I have to rewatch
that.

699
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,840
The woman in this urban legend,
is she just screaming next to

700
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:11,520
waterways or is the urban legend
that she like drags children to

701
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,760
their deaths?
Does she scare them away or she

702
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,240
bring them closer?
Yeah, what?

703
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:17,200
What?
What is the fear that children

704
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,160
have when it comes to law?
You're on.

705
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,400
It's more like the encounter
with her.

706
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,200
It's like to be just next to
her.

707
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,160
Yeah, But yet I don't know how
to explain that.

708
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,360
I don't know the real meaning
about that because yeah,

709
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,800
sometimes, for example, those
videos were when the kid just

710
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,520
thrown in the in the river.
Right.

711
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,120
Yeah, I.
Don't know it's somehow related

712
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,400
that maybe she's calling the
kids or I don't know, that

713
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:47,880
they're playing just next to the
river.

714
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,200
Maybe they're playing next to
the river and then she screams

715
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,080
and scares them away from it
because of the dangers of

716
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,760
drowning and all that sort of
stuff Perhaps.

717
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,320
So.
Yes.

718
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:06,600
So there are a ton of different
cultural nuances when it comes

719
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,520
to La Urana, right?
There are a lot, 1 in

720
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,480
particular.
And I'm, I'm not sure exactly

721
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,720
what region of Mexico or
northern South America or

722
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:17,560
Southwestern America it comes
from.

723
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,400
But one of them, the fear is
that she will capture children

724
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,120
and drown them because she still
has that rage, that hatred, that

725
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,640
anger in her from her adulterous
husband.

726
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,960
So she is still trying to, to
hurt him.

727
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,520
And the way that she wants to do
that is by killing his blood,

728
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:44,080
even if it is hers as well.
She, she walks around and

729
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:49,240
through her eternity of looking
for children along the waterways

730
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:51,480
or her children along the
waterways, she now sees all

731
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,360
children as her own.
So if you are, if you are seen

732
00:44:55,360 --> 00:45:01,040
by captured by La Yarona, the
fear is that she will drown you.

733
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,120
And there, there have been, I
should have included some of

734
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:11,200
this and exactly the, the region
where this particular story

735
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,080
comes from.
But there, there was even

736
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:17,160
examples of newspaper clippings
of, of kids who drowned in, in

737
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,960
the area.
And then even in, you know, like

738
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,920
the, the local newspaper, they,
they blame it on the spirit of

739
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:28,080
La Yarona.
So I, I'm, I'm not 100% sure

740
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,040
about all of the cultures or
the, you know, the, the

741
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:36,080
subcultures and what their
beliefs are in particular to

742
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,520
the, the lie you're on a spirit.
But there are a few out there

743
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,480
that do believe that she is very
dangerous.

744
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,240
And then like you were saying,
there's also a few that, that I

745
00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:49,160
would looked up that use it
strictly as a boogeyman.

746
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:53,440
And there are even some that
where she works with the parents

747
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,760
to scare children away from the
water to protect them.

748
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:02,280
So it's mostly dependent on the
locational culture and, and what

749
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,960
they believe about her and what
her intent is.

750
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,480
So I, I can see that, you know,
being influential on what the

751
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,760
fear the the child actually has.
Like George was saying, coming

752
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,920
to a spirit alone here in that
whaling could be enough to to be

753
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,680
like, yeah, you know what?
That's not what I want.

754
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:23,080
And that thought right there
alone could keep you away.

755
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,800
And then in some more extreme
cases and cultures, the actual

756
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,000
fear would be that she would
grab you, take you underwater

757
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,840
and drown you.
Gross and.

758
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,640
At some point she is still,
she's still crying.

759
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,080
It's so if she wants to take
away one of the kids, maybe

760
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,560
she's going to take away to the
river and that is going to

761
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:47,920
happen.
So it's going to be drowned

762
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,120
somehow.
I'll tell you what's really

763
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:56,040
cool, the artwork that people
have made for La Yorona.

764
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:01,440
It is crazy good and there's
some there's some really brutal

765
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,000
ones too here.
I'll, I'll, I'll screen share

766
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,760
with you guys so you guys can
take a look at some of the

767
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,440
artwork that that there's been
done.

768
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:13,560
Of course, a lot of it now is AI
stuff, but there was there's one

769
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,520
in particular where it looked
like there was like these two

770
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,720
explorers that came in through a
marsh that I found and this

771
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:25,680
woman was drowning children as
they peered through the reeds of

772
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,480
the swamp.
It was really, it was

773
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,640
incredible.
I was some of the some of the

774
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:35,080
stuff is absolutely, it's really
pretty.

775
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:38,920
Honestly, there's a lot of
really, really good artistic

776
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,720
stuff done here when it comes to
lot your owner.

777
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,040
I wish I could find that picture
for you guys.

778
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,080
You will find a lot.
A lot.

779
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:48,320
Oh yeah, lots of really cool
stuff.

780
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,760
Gosh, I wish I can see I can
find that picture for you guys.

781
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,520
I'll have to try to find it and
send it to you guys because it's

782
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:54,760
really, really neat.
All right.

783
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,120
You guys ready to dive into the
last bit I got?

784
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,600
Yes, Sir.
All right, we're going to dive

785
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,400
into accounts.
The Rio Grande 1800s.

786
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,240
In the early 19th century,
settlers along the Rio Grande in

787
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:12,560
Texas began hearing disturbing
stories of a woman's cries

788
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,200
reverberating throughout the
night.

789
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,600
These whales coming from the
riverbanks were said to be so

790
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,440
mournful and haunting that they
sent chills through entire

791
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:25,360
communities.
One witness I just messed up.

792
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,200
Boo this man.
A boom Boo him.

793
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,280
One witness recalled hearing the
cries so clearly that it felt as

794
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,240
though they were right outside
his window.

795
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,320
Driven by curiosity, he ventured
down to the riverbank.

796
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,360
There, he saw a faint white mist
floating just above the water.

797
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,680
Before he could react, the
figure vanished, believing him,

798
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,240
stunned and unable to explain
the eerie sighting.

799
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,120
This early encounter marked one
of the first recorded sightings

800
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,440
of La Erona in the American
Southwest, where her ghostly

801
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:59,160
presence would soon become a
part of the local folklore for

802
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,960
all.
Mexico, 1897.

803
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:07,240
In 1897, ten year old Miguel
Ramiro was spending time with a

804
00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:10,840
family friend named Olivia's
when their evening took a

805
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,720
terrifying turn.
As they chatted, a woman in a

806
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,520
white dress with her head hung
low approached them and asked

807
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,000
for the time.
When she lifted her face, the

808
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,520
boys were shocked to see that it
was not a face at all.

809
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,320
Her flesh had vanished, leaving
only a skull.

810
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,240
Even more horrifying, inside the
black void of her mouth was a

811
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:32,640
tiny version of herself,
screaming and walking around.

812
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,240
The boys were frozen in fear as
a woman suddenly levitated into

813
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:39,040
the air above them.
Before she disappeared, she

814
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,480
screamed.
Donde Estan Mihios, Where are my

815
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,640
children waking up the entire
town with her chilling cry.

816
00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:55,040
Santa Fe, NM 1925 In 1925, a
family in Santa Fe, NM

817
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:59,720
experienced a haunting encounter
that they believed was with La

818
00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:02,240
Yarona.
The children's grandmother often

819
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:05,680
warned them to stay inside when
they heard the strange cries

820
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,200
near the Creek.
One fateful night, however, the

821
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,120
children disobeyed and peeked
out the window.

822
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,520
What they saw near the water was
a woman dressed in white.

823
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,640
Her face, they claimed, was
hollow, skeletal, with eyes that

824
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,640
faintly glowed in the darkness.
The next morning, the family

825
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,080
found strange, unexplainable
footprints near the Creek, but

826
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:25,800
there was no sign of the
mysterious woman.

827
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,920
What had the children really
seen and was it by Corona?

828
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:35,960
Santa Fe, NM in 1945 In 1945,
Augustine and his brother Paul

829
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,320
were walking down Ramiro St.
late at night when they saw

830
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:40,640
something they could not
explain.

831
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,480
A ball of fire hovered in the
sky before descending and

832
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,280
transforming into a bundle of
quilts.

833
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,360
As they approached it, the
quilts parted to reveal

834
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:52,240
something truly unsettling.
A baby, but not an ordinary one.

835
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,880
This child had a grotesque face
with sharp Jagger like teeth and

836
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,160
it grinned at them.
The brothers were terrified,

837
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,040
running back to their home in
fear, and the next day they

838
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,440
shared their experience,
claiming that they had seen by

839
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:12,760
Uranus child.
Las Vegas, NM 1953 In 1953, Ray

840
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,760
Lucero was on his way to visit
his father in La Jolla, Texas,

841
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,360
when he encountered a strange
woman on the side of the road.

842
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,640
She was hitchhiking, dressed in
a long black cloak.

843
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,080
Acknowledge Ray.
Despite the eerie silence, he

844
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,080
decided to pick her up, but soon
felt uneasy.

845
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,280
He noticed one of her hands was
hidden in the cloak, possibly

846
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,160
holding something dangerous.
Fearing for a safety, Race

847
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,120
stopped the car and ordered the
woman to get out.

848
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,640
As he turned to look at her, she
vanished, leaving Ray alone in

849
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,640
the car.
But just as he was about to

850
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,800
drive off, he heard a blood
curdling scream in the distance.

851
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:50,560
And was this the cry of Lyrona,
Mexico City, 1959 Fast forward

852
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:55,120
to 1959, when a next Mexico City
cab driver shared a spy and

853
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,400
chilling experience.
One night, he picked up a woman

854
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,960
dressed in white who asked to be
taken to the canal.

855
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,560
She spoke softly, her voice full
of sorrow.

856
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,640
When they arrived, the woman
handed him a silver coin from

857
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,200
her pocket as payment.
He turned to thank her, but she

858
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,400
had vanished into thin air.
Upon inspecting the coin, the

859
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,440
driver discovered it was minted
in the 1800s, adding an

860
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,240
unsettling layer to an already
eerie encounter.

861
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,800
This strange tale quickly became
one of Mexico's most famous

862
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,160
urban legends, further cementing
Laurona's presence in the

863
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:30,640
country's folklore.
Fort Garland Co, 1963 In August

864
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,320
of 1963, Lydia Avant and her
brother were driving when the

865
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,440
car ahead of them suddenly
swerved and crashed.

866
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,800
The vehicle in front of them
barreled down an embankment,

867
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,160
killing all four passengers.
But there was something unusual

868
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:44,560
about what led up to the
incident.

869
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,200
The driver of Lydia's car, who
had swerved to avoid the crash,

870
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,360
later claimed to have seen a
woman standing in front of the

871
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,280
car ahead of them.
She was dressed in an all black

872
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,080
gown and veil.
After the crash, no trace the

873
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,160
woman was found, but police did
discover her black veil at the

874
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,760
scene.
Was this mysterious woman an

875
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,360
apparition of La Urana haunting
the highway?

876
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:11,120
Texas 1980s In the 1980s, a
group of friends camping near

877
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:15,200
Medina River in San Antonio, TX
had an unforgettable experience.

878
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,520
While sitting around the
campfire, they heard a blood

879
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,240
curdling scream coming from the
river.

880
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,280
Initially dismissing it as a cry
from an animal, they were soon

881
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,360
to witness something far more
terrifying.

882
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,080
A woman in a flowing white dress
pier, walking across the river,

883
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,720
not in it, but above it.
She moved slowly, her feet never

884
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:35,680
touching the water.
Terrified, the campers fled and

885
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,240
abandoned their campsite.
When they returned the next

886
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:40,800
morning, they were shocked to
find the area soaked as if it

887
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,200
had rained the night before,
despite the fact that no rain

888
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,560
had fallen.
What had they seen, and was it

889
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:53,000
truly La Yarona?
San Diego 2007 In 2007, a mother

890
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,360
from San Diego, CA shared a
haunting experience involving

891
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,280
her young son.
Late at night, her son woke her

892
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,000
up, claiming to have seen a
woman outside his bedroom window

893
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,040
crying softly.
Initially thinking it was a

894
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,920
nightmare, the mother soon heard
it too, a low, sorrowful moan

895
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,640
coming from outside the house.
When she looked out, she saw a

896
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,120
woman dressed in white standing
under a street lamp.

897
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,440
Though the woman's face was
obscured, her mournful cries

898
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,360
were unmistakable.
The mother called out, but

899
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,920
before she could do anything
more, the figure vanished,

900
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,080
leaving only an eerie silence in
its wake.

901
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,680
These sightings, spanning over a
century, suggest that the story

902
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,960
of Lagorona is far more than
just a tale meant to frighten

903
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,120
children.
Whether it's the cries of a

904
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,840
mother searching for her lost
children or a chilling

905
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,400
manifestation near water, these
real life encounters persist to

906
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,400
this day.
For those who have witnessed

907
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,960
her, the experience is
undoubtedly real and terrifying.

908
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,680
La Yarona's presence and
folklore is as deep in haunting

909
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,720
as the rivers and lakes she is
said to haunt.

910
00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:56,480
Whether a reflection of
collective grief or a genuine

911
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,120
supernatural force, the legend
of La Yarona continues to

912
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,080
captivate our imaginations and
may very well still be out there

913
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,640
waiting.
Thank you for joining us tonight

914
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,960
and exploring the airy truth
behind La Yarona.

915
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,480
Stay vigilant, her cries say one
day reach your ears.

916
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,960
All right, So what do you guys
think?

917
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,120
Well, there's definitely
something.

918
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:22,760
I mean, I think Jake would
probably say it's demonic, but

919
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,800
there's definitely something.
No, no, no.

920
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,080
No, no.
I'd say it's more.

921
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:34,320
Of the natural while you're
speaking, I looked up the top

922
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:41,520
predators animal wise in Mexico
and wolves or and Pumas and

923
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,160
Jaguars at the top.
So I'd say.

924
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,520
That wolves, probably.
Have to a lot do with the

925
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,320
howling.
I would say a mix of urban

926
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,080
legends and people wanting to
get their 15 minutes of fame

927
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,560
probably add to a lot of it as
well.

928
00:55:56,120 --> 00:56:02,480
I will say that probably there's
people having experiences with

929
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:07,920
demonic beings or angelic
beings, depending on the

930
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,600
circumstances surrounding it,
saying like, hey, get your kids

931
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,720
away from the river 'cause
they're about to drown versus or

932
00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:16,640
like I'm going to bring your
kids to the river to drown them,

933
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,880
right type stuff.
So depending, right, there's

934
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:24,360
probably a mix, but I would say
that it's more on the natural

935
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:29,800
aspect of people believing an
urban legend and then.

936
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,640
They hear a.
Wolf howl or they hear a coyote

937
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:38,400
or they hear something else and
they're like, Oh my gosh, it's

938
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,160
it's that right?
But I could be wrong.

939
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:45,120
You know, I think that we see
there's a lot with Bigfoot,

940
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:46,560
right?
People believing in urban

941
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,240
legends or, or like Bigfoot
sightings.

942
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:52,920
And they all want either their
15 minutes of fame or they're

943
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,200
willing to see something like
say a black bear walking on his

944
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,920
hind legs doing their water like
they do and they're bouncing

945
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:01,800
back and forth for a couple
seconds.

946
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,960
So like, oh, I see a Bigfoot
right type stuff.

947
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:09,400
This could be misidentification
in the same way, right?

948
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,240
Like you have this culture that
believes in the same thing where

949
00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:16,880
it's, you know, this this
woman's going to either

950
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,800
depending on where you're at,
going to kill your kids or save

951
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,840
your kids, right?
And you might see something or

952
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:28,160
hear something and automatically
attribute that to well, that was

953
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,840
what it was.
I wouldn't go full in and say

954
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,520
this is demonic, unlike Jeff
thinks.

955
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:39,200
I would say it's more natural
and more along the lines of a

956
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:46,560
culture that's deep seated into
an urban legend that may believe

957
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:50,800
that this is the cause of
certain sounds, certain events,

958
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,880
things like that, when some of
it may be godly, right?

959
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,360
Maybe divine intervention,
right?

960
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,520
Like you, you hear a sound and
you rush out to your children

961
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,560
and find that they're struggling
in the river and you snatch them

962
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,600
out of it, right?
Could be divine intervention,

963
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,320
some of it could be chance, like
who's to say?

964
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:14,000
But I wouldn't immediately
myself point towards a

965
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,280
supernatural for this event as
far as sounds go.

966
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:22,440
Now, the videos that George
shared with us that were the

967
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:27,040
howling, the one video was
howling, which could be a wolf

968
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,760
or whatever it was.
It doesn't matter.

969
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,520
Population size.
I just left a, a city with a

970
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:39,280
population of 160,000 and
there's still wolves and Bobcats

971
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:44,000
and all kinds of stuff like, you
know, animals get in the way of,

972
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,440
of human civilizations all the
time.

973
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:52,680
But the, the other video that
was like the blood curling

974
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,360
scream.
That's something I don't know

975
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,640
what to put to that.
I don't know.

976
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:02,560
I, I know that like mountain
lions, they can sometimes scream

977
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,480
and it sounds kind of like, like
a baby crying and stuff like

978
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:06,960
that.
It kind of trips people out or

979
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,080
like like a woman crying or
screaming.

980
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,480
It can, it can wreck people that
have never heard that before.

981
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,200
But that one was long and it was
drawn out.

982
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,440
Now that one was weird, like
very weird.

983
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:24,760
And to that I, I don't know of
an animal that I, I, I could

984
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,880
attribute that sound to.
So that one in itself was very,

985
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,480
very strange.
The only thing I could point at

986
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,720
and I kind of chuckled.
We first played it was my, what

987
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:39,280
was my Aztec whistle, right?
That Oh yeah, your death

988
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:40,400
whistle.
But.

989
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,560
Even even that.
It's it doesn't have any any

990
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:48,200
pitches to it, right.
It's one long drawn out sound.

991
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,200
It's not it doesn't have any
pitches or anything like that.

992
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,320
And that was pretty wild to
hear.

993
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:58,640
So I don't know.
I would learn more natural, less

994
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:05,360
supernatural, but I don't know.
I don't know dude, Jeff, you

995
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:06,080
got.
Anything to add?

996
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,440
Well, I mean, I'm not.
Big on ghosts?

997
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,800
Personally, however, like I do
believe in something, right?

998
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,400
Obviously we talked about
interdimensionals, we talked

999
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,000
about spirituality, we talked
about all these like other

1000
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,320
realms and things like this.
So, you know, why couldn't

1001
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,320
paranormal activity fit into
this?

1002
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,840
You know?
So that's kind of where I'm at

1003
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,400
with it, even though it's not
really like something that I've

1004
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,520
ever really thought about too
hard, you know?

1005
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:34,600
I don't know.
It doesn't.

1006
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,760
It doesn't freak me out until.
It freaks me out, you know, if

1007
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,240
I'm out there, like I said and I
heard that I'm freaked out,

1008
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:42,960
dude, something's there for
sure.

1009
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,880
But you know, I just, I've never
encountered anything that I

1010
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,920
would attribute to like any type
of hauntings or paranormal

1011
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,280
activity.
Personally I have encountered

1012
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,440
like some weird, you know,
blending of the.

1013
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,200
Realms, if you will.
But nothing like paranormal.

1014
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:04,040
That's called psychedelics.
And some of it has been.

1015
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,480
Induced by.
Psychedelics, I will admit, but

1016
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:07,920
not all of it.
Not all of it.

1017
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:14,000
All right, personal opinion.
I think there's something here,

1018
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,320
and This is why throughout all
the stuff that we've researched

1019
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:21,800
on this podcast, there has been,
well, not even just on this

1020
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,840
podcast, but just in the realm
of 40 and studies, the studies

1021
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:29,520
of the strange and the unusual.
There are five things that are

1022
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,920
worldwide.
Doesn't matter where you are,

1023
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,040
right?
These stories pop up.

1024
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,040
One of them Bigfoot, doesn't
matter if you're talking about

1025
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:40,720
the Bigfoot, you're talking
about the Almas, the Yama, the

1026
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:46,120
the orang Pandek, the IT
doesn't.

1027
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:52,800
You pick a land chunk or chunk
of land in the world and you

1028
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,640
could find some sort of Bigfoot
legend there, right?

1029
01:01:55,640 --> 01:02:00,240
Something of a of an upright
walking Yeti type creature.

1030
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,080
Same thing with Phantom.
Black dogs.

1031
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,320
Right, we've talked about
phantom black dogs Amnesium

1032
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,160
here.
I have multiple episodes still

1033
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,240
left to go.
Eventually we'll we'll finish

1034
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:14,240
that up, which actually Mexico
has their own phantom black dogs

1035
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,680
as well.
Then you dive into the world of

1036
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:20,920
grey aliens and UF OS again.
That's four things.

1037
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:26,920
That doesn't matter where you
are on this floating blue marble

1038
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:31,600
or dinner plate, whichever camp
you're in, these things exist

1039
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:36,400
and they they seem to have paid
visits and we have stories of

1040
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,560
them there.
The last one is the woman in

1041
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:43,120
white.
Every single culture, every land

1042
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:48,040
mass would seem to have had some
story of a woman in white.

1043
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:51,200
There's something out there.
There's something out there, but

1044
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:52,640
what?
But they're different.

1045
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,320
So are.
So are big feats.

1046
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,080
No, no, no.
But Yeti is completely different

1047
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,200
the.
Orangpan deck is only three feet

1048
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,560
tall.
There's look, they're different,

1049
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,040
some of them.
Not warning.

1050
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,000
Some of them are caution, some
of them are, but that's that

1051
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:13,120
comes down to.
Cultural influence.

1052
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,080
That's it.
It's the same thing for.

1053
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,720
Phantom black dogs in.
America, they are said to be

1054
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,960
protectors, but you go over to
England where we speak the exact

1055
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,400
same language, they're omens,
right?

1056
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:26,400
Right.
They're omens.

1057
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,360
But where is?
Where?

1058
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,360
Is the truth in it?
What do you mean?

1059
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,400
Where's the truth in it?
Where's what they actually?

1060
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:38,840
Are versus the cultural
reference or the cultural belief

1061
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,880
and then what they actually are
point to what I believe that

1062
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:44,440
they actually.
Are I have no idea what they

1063
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,920
could actually be.
All I'm saying is that if you're

1064
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:50,440
if you're throughout time and
throughout cultures spanning

1065
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,520
both distance and time, and
you're still coming up with the

1066
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,040
same story no matter where you
are, but you have these slight

1067
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:58,520
cultural differences.
Something's there.

1068
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,080
I I just, it's not slight if
they're going to.

1069
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,760
Save you versus kill you, but
it's the same thing with big

1070
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:06,920
feet.
There's like the Almas is

1071
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:10,200
supposed to be pleasant.
The rock ape of Vietnam will

1072
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,240
literally smash your head in.
I mean, it's Yeah, well, that's

1073
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:14,720
a different.
It's not a.

1074
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:16,840
Different culture, it's
different location.

1075
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,920
This is the same thing.
And what are you talking about?

1076
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,240
What are you talking about?
This is that's comparing.

1077
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:29,360
Like in my mind, that's
comparing a biological animal to

1078
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,560
a cultural belief.
That's like saying like, I

1079
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,600
think, I think you're only
getting caught up by.

1080
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,720
The veil of the paranormal.
Yeah, that's it.

1081
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:39,600
Yes, that's that's.
That's all.

1082
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:40,600
That's all You're getting caught
up.

1083
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:44,760
Like, you know, when you come
down to here in America, in

1084
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,920
America, if you look at it, you
take away the, the Bigfoot

1085
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,600
cultural beliefs across the
entire world and you look here,

1086
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:56,280
just in America, you have the
Gug way who's supposed to just

1087
01:04:56,400 --> 01:05:00,040
RIP things apart.
You have the, the, the wood

1088
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:05,080
booger who is supposed to steal
and, and you know, get a little

1089
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,640
violent every once in a while.
But yet the, the Patty of the

1090
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:12,440
Northwest is supposed to be
pleasant and the, the, the gosh,

1091
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:19,440
I can't the the ancient hominid
of the Northeast, you know, over

1092
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:26,040
where New England and, and I
don't know, man, southeastern

1093
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:27,280
Canada.
These are all supposed.

1094
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,320
To be.
That's like saying the.

1095
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:35,040
The squirrels on the West Coast.
Yeah, Will, Will.

1096
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,960
Rip your pockets apart.
To find out what you have so

1097
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:39,760
they can eat it.
And the squirrels on the East

1098
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:43,240
Coast are calm and collective
and you can give them a, a, a

1099
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,840
peanut every once in a while.
They'll be happy you're you're

1100
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:50,960
comparing No, no, no natural so.
Tell me the difference.

1101
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:54,280
Between a red wolf and a.
Gray wolf It doesn't matter

1102
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:55,840
between a brown bear and.
A black bear.

1103
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,320
You're comparing.
A brown bear.

1104
01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:03,000
You're you're comparing.
Bro, you're comparing freaking

1105
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,440
living animals yeah to the
supernatural.

1106
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:07,880
Why?
Why?

1107
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:11,280
Why is that wrong?
Because it's different.

1108
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,240
Could it?
Be yes or it is?

1109
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,120
Is it just different?
Because you believe it to be.

1110
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,240
No, you're comparing.
You're literally.

1111
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:21,600
Comparing living beings a ghost
and you're like, it's the same

1112
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:24,520
No, I'm.
Comparing.

1113
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,280
Urban legends and and cultural
beliefs.

1114
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:32,960
Ghosts and demons.
And what not to listen man.

1115
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:35,400
You know.
You know right now.

1116
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:40,800
You know I I literally believe
with all my heart and soul that

1117
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:44,440
a upright walking primate walks
the woods around this planet,

1118
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,680
right?
Do we have physical evidence

1119
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,680
that it does?
No.

1120
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,040
So it is paranormal.
It is.

1121
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,160
Other than no it it is not.
It is.

1122
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:55,560
Other than, it is not.
It's.

1123
01:06:55,560 --> 01:07:00,280
Cryptozoological.
It's not paranormal, but I don't

1124
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:01,520
think the I.
Don't think the term.

1125
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:05,480
Paranormal is paranormal relies
on ghosts.

1126
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:11,480
Demons and spirits.
Extra normal.

1127
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:13,560
Right.
So like if you mean like

1128
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,720
supernatural.
Yeah, so if you if the thing

1129
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:18,480
you.
Believed in also could mind

1130
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,880
speak and phase in and out of
existence then yeah, But you

1131
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:24,000
don't believe in that.
You believe in that You're right

1132
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:25,160
you're right.
I.

1133
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,280
Don't, but there's there's a ton
of people out there that do

1134
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,400
believe that Bigfoot does my
speak.

1135
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:30,800
There are tons of people out
there.

1136
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,280
I mean shoot, we've had Carter
Bush heart on the show 4 times

1137
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,040
and he's he's written.
We all know they're crazy.

1138
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,560
All right, let's not get into
it, All right?

1139
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,280
It's just an animal.
They thought what it would say

1140
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,160
in their own heads and they
thought it and they're.

1141
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:45,080
Listen, man, said it to me.
Listen.

1142
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:48,880
We have talked.
At Newsome about possible

1143
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:52,200
alternate dimensional beings
coming over and bleeding into

1144
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,600
the veil of the physical realm.
It doesn't mean they exist.

1145
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,280
It doesn't mean they exist.
But you constantly talk about

1146
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,120
another dimension.
Yeah.

1147
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,040
Of humans and angelic.
Yeah.

1148
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,400
Who's to say that this isn't
angelic or demonic?

1149
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,960
I'm not saying it's not.
Well, that's what I'm saying.

1150
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:08,600
What?
Why are you?

1151
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:09,320
Come on.
Why?

1152
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,120
George back in.
Come on, bro.

1153
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:13,680
Come on, bro, this guy's full of
crap.

1154
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:15,200
All right?
We pinned it down.

1155
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,279
This guy doesn't know nothing.
Me and George aren't where it's

1156
01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:19,000
at.
All right?

1157
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,760
The.
Thing here.

1158
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:25,200
In this case is that there is.
Something and with the time,

1159
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,359
maybe something could change
because of the parents, because

1160
01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:29,800
of the culture, because of the
time.

1161
01:08:30,359 --> 01:08:32,720
So, but there's something.
Yeah, for sure there is

1162
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:36,439
something, but it's changing
with the time, maybe the

1163
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:38,319
different versions that we have
and things like that.

1164
01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:39,880
I think there's truth in
numbers.

1165
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,040
And if you.
Telling me that billions of

1166
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:46,240
accounts are throughout time and
that every single one of them is

1167
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,880
incorrect or miss
misidentification.

1168
01:08:49,319 --> 01:08:52,800
Then I think you're crazy.
Well, here's my thing is that.

1169
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:58,200
Culture doesn't change the way
things are, so you could say in

1170
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:03,960
your culture that a grizzly bear
is just some like smoke of the

1171
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:05,560
bear.
It's just he just wants to tell

1172
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:07,720
you that not to start forest
fires.

1173
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,160
It doesn't mean he's going to
rip your arms and legs off and

1174
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:11,319
eat you while you're still
alive.

1175
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:12,520
Right type stuff.
That's true.

1176
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,319
Exactly does not.
Change the way.

1177
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:22,000
Things are, so your belief in
what a thing is or isn't doesn't

1178
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:26,479
change what it is.
So my question is, despite what

1179
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,720
all the different cultures say,
what's the truth in it?

1180
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:37,240
What's the I guess the not to be
all algebraic, but the the mean

1181
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:41,399
sort of belief in it, right?
What's the average?

1182
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:46,479
Is it a omen or is it a get your
math or what is it?

1183
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:48,479
Take your math, Get out of here,
get.

1184
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,960
Out of here with that get.
Your math you get out of here.

1185
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:51,960
You want.
You want to.

1186
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:52,880
Talk.
You want to talk about math?

1187
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:54,880
You want to talk about math?
I got I got math for you, OK?

1188
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,560
Billions of people throughout
history has spotted a Bigfoot.

1189
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:05,640
There has been one story that
has made the the history books

1190
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:09,880
as somebody got kidnapped and
returned from being kidnapped

1191
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:13,080
with a Bigfoot, right?
That's the Albert Austin story

1192
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:16,840
of where he got dragged in his
in his sleeping bag, fed the

1193
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:18,400
Bigfoot a bunch of chewing
tobacco.

1194
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:20,800
The Bigfoot threw up and he ran
away, right?

1195
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:26,240
But but we still don't.
Have accounts of.

1196
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,320
People who confronted these
things because they probably got

1197
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,720
mauled to death and they're
hanging up in pieces in the

1198
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,120
woods all around the world,
right?

1199
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:37,240
Some some dudes ankle is
probably in British Columbia and

1200
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:41,600
his forearm is down in Georgia
because Bigfoot could be crazy.

1201
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:45,320
But The thing is, is that do we
have accounts of people walking

1202
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:49,760
in and meeting these women in
white and yet getting close

1203
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,240
enough to the point to where
that now that they're they're

1204
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:53,960
back, they're writing stories
about it.

1205
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:58,480
No, we don't, right.
So it could be just like the

1206
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:01,680
culture cultural example that
you just said, where your

1207
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,440
culture may believe that grizzly
bears are teddy bears and that

1208
01:11:04,440 --> 01:11:07,000
they'll cuddle you to death.
But the reality is, is that

1209
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:08,680
they'll RIP you rim from limb
from limb.

1210
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,800
The same thing with with lady in
white, right?

1211
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:16,920
So you may believe that it is a
simple spirit that that crosses

1212
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:18,520
the road.
But if you actually stopped and

1213
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:20,520
let her into your car, what
could happen?

1214
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:23,920
And we'll never know those
stories because we will never be

1215
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:25,600
able to talk to that person
again, although we did.

1216
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:28,720
Correct SO.
Cultures don't.

1217
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,360
Have to be correct.
They don't have to be correct

1218
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:34,560
for something to exist, right?
Take.

1219
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,080
Your math we're we're on.
The we're on the same page.

1220
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:41,480
I'm just saying like, what's
what's the, the average account

1221
01:11:41,480 --> 01:11:46,880
of all these things from all of
the stories of the, the, the,

1222
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,640
the Bing or the spirit or
whatever it is.

1223
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:52,320
Jeremy, you're the guy who did
all the research.

1224
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,840
You tell me you would have to
look at the.

1225
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:59,000
Lady in White on a worldwide
scale, and I haven't done that

1226
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:00,720
yet.
OK, Why so?

1227
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:03,920
Because we're only on.
Episode 190.

1228
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:05,360
Eight.
You're telling me that you're

1229
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:06,120
rushed.
You know what?

1230
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:07,760
A code bro.
You didn't come in up.

1231
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:08,440
Listen.
I see.

1232
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:10,680
How it is?
Listen, you didn't come in hot

1233
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:14,680
with with an 8.
Parlor on every single fucking

1234
01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:18,600
sighting, Jeremy, we're having a
a hardcore.

1235
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,440
Argument over here.
You, you better bring some

1236
01:12:20,440 --> 01:12:23,240
stuff, all right, bro.
Don't like you, Jeremy, Are you

1237
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,240
OK?
Bro listen man, I I didn't want.

1238
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,680
I didn't want to make George sit
here for six episodes, OK?

1239
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:32,560
I wanted him to come on here and
have a pleasant experience.

1240
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:34,440
He's not having a pleasant
experience.

1241
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:36,840
You don't have anything to say
about it.

1242
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:42,040
It's garbage.
Listen, I bought a pop.

1243
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:45,320
So I believe it exists, right?
Me and George, Me and George.

1244
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:47,160
Are boys, Jeremy?
You're out.

1245
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:49,440
You're out of the circle of
trust, all right?

1246
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:51,960
That's the way it is.
Me and George.

1247
01:12:52,480 --> 01:12:53,760
You're the new.
You're the new.

1248
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:55,040
Host of the infinite.
Rabbit hole?

1249
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,360
That's right.
Buckle our bud.

1250
01:12:57,440 --> 01:12:59,560
You got this.
Jeremy doesn't know nothing.

1251
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:07,000
I need water.
All right, George.

1252
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:10,000
Well.
Jake's an asshole.

1253
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:11,840
So I'll never get my.
Answers all right?

1254
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,200
Cool.
Expert skeptic as you can.

1255
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:16,960
See, I'll never get my answers
like the how it.

1256
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,480
Is do we have any questions from
the chat come?

1257
01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:26,280
On chat come through nothing.
OK, George, I don't know

1258
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:28,400
anything about your your social
media print.

1259
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,440
Do you do anything?
Is there anything that you'd

1260
01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:34,080
like to push, anything that you,
that you want these listeners of

1261
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:37,480
the infinite rabbit hole to know
about you or anything?

1262
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:40,960
Well, I.
Have a lot of legends.

1263
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,760
From Mexico so if at some point
you want to talk a little bit

1264
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:48,480
about for example, Tampico,
Tampico is a city in Mexico that

1265
01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:58,000
is protected by the UFOs, so
it's a pretty nice city so when

1266
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:59,480
the.
Hurricanes are coming.

1267
01:13:59,480 --> 01:14:03,040
To that city, I don't know what
happened, but the hurricane is

1268
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:08,840
taking a different direction.
So that city, everyone is

1269
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:12,560
telling that that it is
protected by the UN 10 pico like

1270
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:13,880
the drink.
Yeah.

1271
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,600
So good, so delicious.
Yeah, actually.

1272
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:20,880
I think it's from there.
Yeah, it's.

1273
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:24,280
Like your weekly serving of?
Sugar in one one bottle.

1274
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:27,200
But it's so good inside the
Mexican city that believes it's.

1275
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:30,280
Protected by aliens?
Yeah, that's really cool.

1276
01:14:30,440 --> 01:14:33,680
It's in the coast, it's in the
Gulf of.

1277
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:37,400
Mexico, it's in that area, yeah,
you can take a look of that city

1278
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:39,080
because they have a lot of
information there.

1279
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:42,040
OK, I just bought a book of.
Course you did.

1280
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,200
I.
Just bought a book, so

1281
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:49,800
eventually listeners, we will be
diving into that too because

1282
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:51,920
that that sounds really cool.
That sounds really cool.

1283
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,600
Hopefully it's in English.
I just want to say thank you for

1284
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:56,960
your time guys it.
Was really nice to share this

1285
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:58,520
experience that I had in the
past.

1286
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:00,760
So thank you.
No, thank you man.

1287
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:02,600
Thank you really.
This is great.

1288
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:03,760
Appreciate it.
Thank.

1289
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:07,760
You wild, wild.
Videos, man, especially that one

1290
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:11,640
that's nuts that's nuts I'm.
Going to think about that.

1291
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:14,280
No, it's creepy.
We should somehow get that.

1292
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:17,120
Audio.
And see.

1293
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:20,200
If we can.
I would absolutely splice that

1294
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:21,720
audio.
Into the actual episode no

1295
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:23,880
worries not from the phone
though, but you know like.

1296
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:24,920
Get it?
Yeah, yeah.

1297
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:26,840
Yep, I got you.
I'll.

1298
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:28,920
Do it.
I don't know why I wasn't

1299
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:29,840
playing.
That's crazy.

1300
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:36,080
Because you suck at this game.
And I'll I'll also.

1301
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:39,360
With with George's permission,
which we'll talk about off of

1302
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:43,360
air, but I'll I'll post that
video on the socials too, so

1303
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,480
that people listening to the
show.

1304
01:15:45,480 --> 01:15:48,480
If you guys want to re listen to
just that, you guys can go to

1305
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:52,360
the infinite rabbit hole socials
and as long as George gives me

1306
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:55,320
the thumbs up, we'll we'll go
ahead and post that for

1307
01:15:55,320 --> 01:16:00,480
everybody all right, anything
else last words, everybody No, I

1308
01:16:00,480 --> 01:16:01,600
have one.
More thing to say.

1309
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:05,040
You got, you got.
Anything else follow me on all.

1310
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:08,040
My shit.
Shadow man pod, click on my name

1311
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,000
in the chat, follow me there
too.

1312
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:12,560
That's all I got.
Bro don't.

1313
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:15,480
I've been following the chat.
Just what do you talk about?

1314
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,440
Blasting infinite rabbit hole
links this whole.

1315
01:16:18,440 --> 01:16:21,080
Time I get a plug, I get a plug.
No you don't.

1316
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:23,720
You don't get a plug.
You don't deserve a plug.

1317
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:26,800
All right, I.
Want to talk about this?

1318
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:32,640
This right here when somebody
sent me a gift and I don't know

1319
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:36,160
who it is and this is the letter
that they sent with the gift.

1320
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,720
I love your show.
A random fan.

1321
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:42,800
It's Kenzar.
I don't think it.

1322
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:46,440
Is I I have.
Grilled Kenzar about it and she

1323
01:16:46,440 --> 01:16:49,560
says no.
I asked Kenzar and she said no.

1324
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:52,960
Yeah, so.
They sent me these little

1325
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,480
figurines.
They sent me these little.

1326
01:16:55,480 --> 01:16:58,560
Figurines right here with all
the little little cryptids.

1327
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,000
I got a little jackalope right
there.

1328
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:04,640
Not that I mean it's really cool
stuff right and then like this,

1329
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:06,240
I thought this was freaking
cool.

1330
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:08,640
It's a little can't round with a
Bigfoot on in it.

1331
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,480
Look at look at the motor.
Have you checked any of those

1332
01:17:11,480 --> 01:17:13,640
for listening?
Devices No.

1333
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,120
Or not?
I haven't checked it for anthrax

1334
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:20,160
yet either, so anthrax would be
a good one to check for or?

1335
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:22,160
Ticking.
Any type of ticking sound

1336
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:24,600
ticking?
I should probably look for the.

1337
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:28,320
Ticking, huh?
I think it's I.

1338
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:29,440
Think it's great.
Thank you.

1339
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:34,720
For the gifts, little weird that
you found my address but so by

1340
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:40,080
all means if if it was from you,
please message me on a social.

1341
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:43,960
Let me know who you are, the
random fan.

1342
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:48,000
It's definitely not Kenzer.
Both Jeremy and Jake's packages

1343
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:52,280
still sitting on my table
because Canada Post is on strike

1344
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,840
and all other shipping services
are pricey.

1345
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,760
Laugh a laugh.
I was smart.

1346
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:01,000
About Jeff's gift.
She got us off.

1347
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,080
I haven't received anything.
Kid, is it supposed to be here

1348
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:05,520
already?
I don't check my mail very

1349
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:07,760
often.
I'm a terrible human anyways,

1350
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:11,720
so.
Thank you creepy person, I love

1351
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,200
you.
I really do appreciate the

1352
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:15,840
gifts.
They're up here.

1353
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:17,600
All of them except for the the
map.

1354
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:21,280
Bro you better you got to calm.
Down saying I love you, you're

1355
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:25,000
going to get a box full of
tubes, necks, like every way it

1356
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:29,320
goes.
I got a really cool freaking

1357
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:32,760
map.
Of the United states like.

1358
01:18:33,440 --> 01:18:35,520
This is.
Freaking sweet dude.

1359
01:18:36,440 --> 01:18:38,600
Look at this, look at that, look
at that.

1360
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:39,960
Why?
Look at that.

1361
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:41,640
I'm looking at that.
I got to.

1362
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:45,840
Move my entire freaking studio
around just to make room for

1363
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,280
this map.
It's so cool.

1364
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:50,760
Like I know I really like this
stuff.

1365
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:53,400
It's it's awesome.
I just wish that I knew how you

1366
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,360
got my address.
That's that's the only thing.

1367
01:18:56,600 --> 01:19:00,480
Like it's just kind of weird,
but well, it is 2025.

1368
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:02,200
Almost.
And you are on the Internet,

1369
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:03,520
brother.
It's not that hard.

1370
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:07,840
Yeah, it was very.
Nice enough to break down how

1371
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,480
somebody could have found my
stuff in less than 30 seconds.

1372
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:12,400
Yeah, I could literally find
your shit.

1373
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:14,760
In like fucking a minute if I
wanted to, yeah.

1374
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:16,840
So I guess it's not really that.
Big of a mystery.

1375
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:17,920
I still like to know who you
are.

1376
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,240
I like to say thank you and and
no, you're not creepy.

1377
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:24,320
That's it.
There's no return address or

1378
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:27,240
anything.
The return address was from

1379
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:29,000
Missouri.
That's all I can say.

1380
01:19:30,440 --> 01:19:33,960
I'm going to send you Dildo.
Misery loves company, I got.

1381
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:35,080
To go.
It's past my bedtime.

1382
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:38,200
All right, all right.
George, sorry for keeping you up

1383
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:40,240
so late.
I do appreciate you very much

1384
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:42,880
for coming on to the show.
It's been a pleasure, my friend.

1385
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:47,400
And if you ever want to deal
with this again, then next time

1386
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:51,920
we cover something from from
Mexico, Latin America, northern

1387
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:55,000
South America, we'll we'll let
you know and we'll have you back

1388
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:56,160
on.
Yeah, sure.

1389
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:57,480
And then let me see if I can
get.

1390
01:19:57,480 --> 01:19:59,640
Some evidence?
Yeah, maybe.

1391
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:01,200
Yeah, he's going to be.
Happy.

1392
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,320
Just to try to explain that we
also.

1393
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:08,400
We also do tequila taste tasting
just nice.

1394
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:12,600
Let us let us know, man.
We do now.

1395
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:20,040
All right, George, go ahead and
stay back for a minute after I

1396
01:20:20,440 --> 01:20:23,680
stop the live feed.
Just want to say everybody in

1397
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:26,640
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1398
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:27,880
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1399
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1404
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1405
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1406
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1407
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