200. Stoned Ape Theory

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In 1992, ethnobotanist Terence
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groundbreaking theory addressing
a long standing mystery in proto

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human development.
In his book Food of the Gods,

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The Search for the Original Tree
of Knowledge, McKenna presented

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his hypothesis, sparking debates
and decades of intrigue and deep

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discussion.
For years scientists have

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debated 1 pressing question how
did the human brain double in

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size over a mere 10,000 years,
when evolutionary changes

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typically take millions of years
to alter physical forms?

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This rapid growth paved the way
for cognitive and social

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advancements, ultimately shaping
the modern humans we are today,

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complete with society's beliefs
and cultures.

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Mckenna's theory aligns with the
widely accepted Savannah

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hypothesis, which suggests that
early humans transitioned from

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treetops to life on the ground
due to receding forests caused

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by climate change.
While the Savannah hypothesis

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explains how we evolved into
upright, hairless beings,

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transitioning from the genus Pan
to Homo, Mckenna's focus was on

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our brains extraordinary
evolution.

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Specifically, he questioned how
our ancestors achieved such

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rapid advancements in brain size
and intelligence.

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As our ancestors adapted to life
on the African Savannah, they

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encountered something absent in
the trees.

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Animal shit.
Specifically the feces of

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grazing herbivores, such as
hooved animals that roam the

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grasslands.
This dung provided the perfect

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environment for a certain type
of fungus to grow, a fungus

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containing psychoactive
compounds.

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It only took one curious primate
to pick up a mushroom from a

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pile of dried shit, chew it, and
experience a psychedelic

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journey.
According to McKenna, this

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seemingly simple act marked the
beginning of humanity's

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extraordinary cognitive
evolution.

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This pivotal moment when our
distant ancestor consumed a

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psychedelic mushroom growing in
animal dung may have set

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humanity on a trajectory of
enlightenment.

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McKenna proposed that this event
unlocked new ways of thinking,

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laying the groundwork for
religion, culture, technology,

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language, art, architecture, and
even self-awareness.

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Today we explore Terence
Mckenna's Stoned Ape theory.

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Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit
Hole, right?

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Welcome to Infinite Rabbit Hole,
everybody.

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Today on this groovy Sunday, on
our 200th episode, we're going

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to talk about the stone date
theory.

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We're also going to introduce
the host, since Jake always gets

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really mad that I introduce him
first.

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We're going to every time.
Jeff.

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Jeffrey, what's up?
How you doing, man?

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Feeling groovy, huh?
Feeling groovy?

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I'm feeling pretty groovy, man.
Yeah, I'm stoked.

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This is one of my favorite
topics in general.

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Super interesting.
It is.

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It's fucking awesome.
And I like that mine has a lot

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of purple on it cuz it's my
favorite color.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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We could have, we could have
purpled you up a little bit

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better than.
Well, now you know.

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Now I know I I guess you're just
going to have to buy one.

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Feel free to purple mine up can
you pin my can you pin my chat

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message so that it stays up for
all the newcomers in the chat

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and the one with the alerts on
it.

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That way everybody knows what's
going on.

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Pinned gotcha.
Perfect.

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Yeah.
So, yeah, I'm happy.

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You're doing good, man.
Good.

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Thanks, buddy.
Yeah, that was awkward, Jake.

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Here you go.
What's up dude?

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Nice room.
Appreciate it.

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Yeah, I just got it all set up
again today and I'll be building

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some floating shelves back
there, putting ATV up on the

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wall so it has the infinite
rabbit hole logo while we're

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doing this.
Then also I can just spin around

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and watch like documentaries,
like research purposes, what

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not.
But bro, last night was fun,

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bro.
We had Skeeter and his wife

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Amanda over and I definitely
over served myself and the

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Doug's shot collar came out and
I watched those videos this

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morning and I was like, wow, no
wonder where my jaw hurts

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sticking the shot collar on my
neck and zapping me and stuff

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like that.
Whitney's like, oh, I'm going to

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countdown.
I was like just do it.

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Just don't count.
It was fun.

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I smoked like I think it was 6
racks of ribs.

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But yeah, having them over it
was, it was great.

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I know hopefully we'll see
something good podcast wise come

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from that.
That remains to be determined as

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far as like what we're going to
announce and everything but.

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Oh, we can't announce it.
Well, we asked Skeeter, 'cause

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he's, he is a tech guy, he, he
DJs, weddings and things like

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that.
And when we did the the Elmwood

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UFO Days event, every presenter
before us had a microphone that

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sounded like they were talking
through a bucket of water.

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Just want, want, want, want,
want.

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And then the the projector, the
projector was a little bit small

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for the size of the screen they
were trying to put it on, but it

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was still super blurry.
And so before we got on there,

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Skeeter messed around with the
audio and the the video and got

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everything kind of dialed in as
best as he could.

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So we were able to come in
really crystal clear and then

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the the video or the slideshow
we had up was actually was was

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pretty clear as well.
And so Jeremy and I had him and

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his wife over for dinner or they
came over to our house and asked

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him, Hey, man, you want to be
our tech guy?

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You know, I don't know where
that will go to.

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It might be, you know, when we
eventually get an actual studio

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and we, we do something like
that or when we do presentations

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or whatever, you know, come
along with us and help us to set

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up all the tech stuff.
And because we don't know

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anything about it, but he does.
So it's pretty cool.

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So they, they come over played
Cards Against Humanity.

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And yeah, it's, it's a good
time.

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It's a lot of fun.
Oh, yeah, man.

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Oh, yeah.
No, we're going to, we need to

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start slowly growing the team.
I mean, we, we've got some

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things on the horizon that are
going to require a bit more

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people.
And, and Skeeter fits really

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well and he's local, you know,
so he's not not far away.

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Yeah, he did a hell of a good
job at UFO days saved our ass

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for sure, and that that was
incredibly appreciated.

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But yeah, so we about to do this
first giveaway.

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Let's let's do this because it
it doesn't always.

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We got to wait a little while, I
think, right?

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Because more new people may join
the chat, right?

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OK.
Well, we're going to we're going

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to do a couple giveaways today.
OK.

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And is that message pinned?
Like there's no limit on that

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timer, right?
I just want to.

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Yeah, you know, I put it there
for good.

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All right, so let's do this.
We're going to read through the

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next section and by the end of
the next section when I'm done

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reading it.
So get this done as quick as you

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can.
I want you to go and tell us in

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the chat what episode 8 is.
If you could tell us what

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episode 8 is, Your name will be
added to the randomizer that

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Crystal's going to do.
Like they get another raffle,

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like another ticket.
Is that how we're doing that?

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Well, because it doesn't show
everybody's name, I'll make sure

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everyone gets it.
So in order to be in the raffle,

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you got to be active in the
chat.

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Oh.
Yeah, she everybody who said

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anything in the chat thus far is
on the randomizer.

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So except for her and Jake.
OK, well, that's fine.

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We could, we could do that then
that works.

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If you're in the chat, say
something by the end of the next

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section and you will get added
to the thing.

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And we will we'll we'll pick
right after that so.

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She's got a I'll let you know
how this is working so that you

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could think about this, right?
Because I see you thinking it's

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a wheel, right?
And she can add whatever name

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she wants to the wheel.
So if there, if you want to add

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trivia to it, if whoever's like
the first person to get the get

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it in the chat, for instance,
like we can give your name twice

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on the wheel, right?
So you have like another raffle

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ticket for instance.
Yeah, well fuck, let's do that.

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Yeah, you could be on the wheel
456 times if you're the first

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person to get the answers right
on the trivias and then you

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obviously your chances of
winning are much higher.

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All right, episode 8 if you want
to get your name on the wheel

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for a second, second spot sound
good?

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There you go.
All right, let's we're going to

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read off this next section and
by the time we're done reading

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it Crystal, we'll before we do
our thoughts and stuff, we'll

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we'll jump right into all right,
you guys ready?

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I didn't hear anything.
I don't have you guys up right

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now.
Yeah, I'm muted.

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Oh OK, good.
Psilocybin and Evolution

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Psilocybin is a naturally
occurring psychedelic compound

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found in over 200 species of
fungi.

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When ingested, it produces a
range of physical and

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psychological effects, including
pupil dilation, increased heart

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rate, elevated blood pressure,
vivid visual hallucinations,

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psychosis, and even panic.
These experiences, collectively

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known as a trip, can vary
greatly depending on the type of

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mushroom consumed, the user's
environment, and their emotional

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state at the time, factors that
often determine whether the trip

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is positive or negative.
Although psilocybin remains

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illegal in most of the United
States, exceptions exist, such

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as its supervised use in Oregon
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To many, the prohibition of such
substances might seem

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self-evident.
Drugs are bad, OK, but what if

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compounds like psilocybin,
DMTLSD, katamine, peyote, and

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ayahuasca hold the key to
unlocking untapped potential

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within humanity?
More intriguingly, what if

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psilocybin, a naturally
occurring compound, played a

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pivotal role in shaping the very
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cognition?
A common misconception is that

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psilocybin containing mushrooms,
often called magic mushrooms,

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grow exclusively on the feces of
grass fed cattle.

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While animal dung, particularly
that of herbivores, provides an

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ideal growth medium, these fungi
are not limited to that

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environment.
Terence Mckenna's Seminole work

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Food of the Gods.
The search for the original tree

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of knowledge highlights evidence
suggesting that ancient humans

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consumed psilocybin laced
mushrooms nearly 1,000,000 years

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before the domestication of
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McKenna also draws attention to
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evolutionary timelines.
While physical adaptations in

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humans, such as changes in brain
size, typically unfold over 10s

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of millions of years, the human
brain underwent a traumatic

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transformation in just three
million years, with the most

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significant growth occurring
within the last 10,000 This

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rapid evolution, which doubled
brain size and introduced

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complex cognitive abilities like
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culture, defies conventional
understanding of evolutionary

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processes.
Why did such groundbreaking

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changes occur in such a brief
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McKenna proposed that psilocybin
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catalyst.
He theorized that early human

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ancestors, upon consuming these
fungi, experienced profound

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hallucinations and altered
perceptions, which introduced

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them to novel ideas,
unexplainable entities, and

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abstract environments.
These experiences, McKenna

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suggested, may have accelerated
brain development by rewriting

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neural pathways and adapting the
mind to process new complex

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inputs.
Just as modern tribes in the

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Amazon chew Espio leaves for
medicinal purposes, addressing

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issues like indigestion and
inflammation, our ancient

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ancestors may have discovered
the benefits of psilocybin

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mushrooms.
Over time, these fungi may have

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become a staple in their diet
and culture, sparking an

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unprecedented leap in cognition
and paved the way for the

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emergence of modern humanity.
All right, there it is, man.

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There's a lot of people.
That's why it's illegal.

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They don't want humans to get
better than what they are.

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Facts.
Yeah, that's it.

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All right.
We ready to do it.

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OK, so for those who died, was
the first one to put the correct

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answer Kid was the first one to
put the entire answer.

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So do we put both names on the
wheel?

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I was just going to go to
whoever answered it.

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OK, so then for those who died,
gets another the second name on

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the wheel.
I see.

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Yeah, she's put Part 2.
Got it.

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Yeah, I don't think it needs to
be that technical.

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We'll we'll go with for those
who died, kid.

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Kids got an in for it anyway.
She's she's all right.

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Are you going to do it?
All right, You're going to do it

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now.
He's going to.

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Do the first.
One, yeah, put it up on the

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screen.
That way we could start talking

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about this.
Yeah, share it on the screen.

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You want me to do it?
Yeah.

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OK, I got you.
I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry, guys.
Just the first time we're doing

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this so.
I'm sorry everybody.

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Shut up.
There you go.

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Wait.
Skeeter says he's out of.

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The draw?
Well, he's in it now.

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That's it. 5 people, that's it.
That's it.

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That's all that's been in the
chat.

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Bro we got we got we.
Had If you want a free shirt,

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you got to say something in the
chat.

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Just say hi, say you guys suck,
whatever it is.

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I don't care.
Say we hate this show.

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We're watching it and laughing
at you, not with you.

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I don't care what you say.
All right, I'm not with.

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You spin the wheel, let's do
this.

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Who's got a shirt?
There it is.

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Peter gets the whole shirt.
Hell yeah, Skeeter said.

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He didn't want one, but he's
still getting it.

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Yeah, it's alright.
It looks like everyone's going

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to win a shirt today anyways if
there's only 5 people.

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Patrick says.
Where's digital ass hat when you

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need them?
A not the truth.

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Fuck that guy.
Alright, cool Skeeter, you know

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how to get in.
Touch me, man.

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Woman says it was rigged.
Actually, I know, I know.

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Aside, she did say she was here.
Look at that.

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So we're going to, here's what
we're going to do.

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We're going to leave his name on
the wheel and if he wins another

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one then he can shout out
whoever else he wants in the

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chat and they can they can get
out of the shirt.

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And that'll work we.
Can't take his name off.

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We can take his name off, but
then the wheel gets smaller,

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nobody else wants to chat, and
the thing we get down to one

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person on the wheel.
Take his name off take.

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His name.
Take his.

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Name right out of there, get get
it out of there.

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If he wins again, I quit.
All right, take his name off.

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You've been removed and there's
been bang.

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On the wheel, never grabbed it.
Take home.

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Ostracized from the wheel all.
Right, So what you guys think

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about the first section of Stone
Ape Theory?

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I don't like it.
No.

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It's a good summary.
It's a good demons.

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Deets demons.
Demon.

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No, not demons.
If if it happened before, then

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it can happen again.
So either we're looking at a

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future event of Planet of the
Apes, just like the movies, or

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it didn't happen at all.
Animals know when to not eat

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stuff that's poisonous, right?
They eat stuff that they can

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digest and all stuff.
The reason why we have such a

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trip when it comes to eating
magic mushrooms is because

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they're poisonous to us and the
poison is acting on our bodies.

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Animals don't do that.
But how do you think they learn?

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I mean, I, I know it's like a
generational thing where

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they're, you know, like deer
aren't going to go eat these

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poisonous Berry berries, right?
Because they know not to.

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It's in their genetics now to
not eat this Berry.

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But at some point, you know,
there were probably tons of deer

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that did eat that Berry and drop
dead, you know?

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Yeah, well.
Yeah, I think it's a different

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it, it's a different type of
poison.

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And then if you think about
like, first of all, we don't

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know what the potency was of
those mushroom strains that were

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on those first fields in the
recessed forest, right when we

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came out of the trees and
started entering the the

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grasslands and we're finding
these psilocybin mushrooms, we

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don't know what strains those
work because they're like

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ancient dead strains for all we
know.

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So they might not have been
super potent.

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And so these our ancestors could
have just been essentially micro

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dosing, not enough to even
really notice any of the

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negative effects because there
are negative effects from eating

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too much psilocybin for sure.
But if you eat like small

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amounts, there's almost no
negative effects that I've ever

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encountered personally.
So it's like, you know, I could,

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I could see them just eating
like whatever it is, small

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dosages and then carrying out
about the day with enhanced, you

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know, like acuity, like visual
acuity, like sensory enhanced

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shit.
So what about like nowadays?

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I mean, if one group of apes got
their hands on some mushrooms

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and then started going forward
into the evolutionary chain with

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consciousness, then that means
that another group of apes

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should have done it as well.
Not necessarily because then

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you're going to think about
receptors too, like why do we

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have the receptors in the in the
brain to even like have the

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psychedelic experience?
That's possible too, right?

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I I could you could make this
argument with me and I might

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agree with you, but.
Here I got something I'm going

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to share with you guys real
quick.

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So I went to the Google and I
said hey Google, what animals

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get high?
This is this is what the Google

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said.
Google brought me to this

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website zamnesia.com and it says
elephants.

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Alcohol is considered a poison,
right?

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And yet they still get drunk and
iboga, whatever that is.

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I'm sure it's fucking gnarly.
Bees, bees get drunk.

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Wallabies.
Wallabies eat opium.

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Hell yeah, dude.
So horses, local weed, What's

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bears?
I don't know.

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Bears obviously eat psychedelic
mushrooms and jet fuel.

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Dude that's insane I never even
thought about that bro.

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Like Cocaine Bear.
Like they, they're out there

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just like on mushrooms when they
eat, when they're attacking

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people.
Like that's insane.

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Let's see.
Big Horn sheep, narcotic lichen,

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Reindeer, fly, agric, whatever
that is.

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Cats, catnip or cat mint.
Capuchin monkeys and lemurs.

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Hallucinogenic millipedes.
Oh my.

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Gosh, Can you imagine the Jaguar
in ayahuasca?

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I mean, come on.
That's I think there's your

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answer, man.
Animals, poison or not well.

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But then there's a thing though.
So if they are eating these

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hallucinogenics, then they
should also be growing

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consciousness.
Maybe they are.

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That's yeah, maybe.
Maybe they are.

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Maybe they haven't had it as
long as we have.

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Yeah, maybe they just maybe we
were first.

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I mean, it's, it's a, it's a,
it's a solid argument, right?

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Because.
Why would we be first?

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We weren't.
According to evolution, we

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weren't the 1st on the planet.
No, but we may have been the

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first ones to eat shit.
Nothing like a good old shit

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burrito, you know?
Right, right.

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I mean, when it's good, it's
good, especially.

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When it.
Gets you fucking high.

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Maybe we weren't the 1st, I
mean, maybe there were other

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like hominids that were doing it
as well.

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We just throughout history of
either like killed them off or

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they just didn't make it through
for whatever reason, you know,

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but the our particular human
species did.

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I think it's a good argument.
Why?

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Why didn't anybody else get the
same benefit that we did from

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eating it?
Maybe they didn't eat it as long

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as we did.
I mean, from what what Terence

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McKenna was saying in his book,
there's evidence that we ate a

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shit ton of it.
Well, they're finding new

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humanoid species.
I don't know what the, the right

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terms are for this, but like,
you know, the Neanderthals, you

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got like Denisovans, like
there's these other humans that

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weren't quite humans, right,
that have since died off because

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of time, right?
Let's just say that.

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And, you know, we don't know if
they were as conscious as we

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were.
I mean, we, we have to assume

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they were because some of the
skulls and shit that they found

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were like not necessarily as big
as ours, but it, I don't know if

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some of them are elongated and
even bigger.

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So maybe those, some of them
were even smarter and more

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developed in that sense than we
are now because they started

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before us.
I'm just saying that we, for

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whatever reason, made it through
time to now.

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They didn't.
Whatever happened, Younger Dryas

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might have killed him.
Maybe we killed him, maybe he's

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whatever the fuck killed him.
I don't know.

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Maybe, you know, the fire and
meteorites that took out

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Gomorrah and whatever were the
cities that God destroyed in the

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Old Testament of Sodom and
Gomorrah.

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So it's like maybe that was them
being wiped out too.

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I don't know.
Who knows?

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Sperm whale has the largest
brain of any animal, weighing up

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to 20 lbs, which is much larger
than the brains of other

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animals, including elephants,
Bottlenose Dolphins and humans.

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Weighs 2.9 to 3.3 lbs.
So no.

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And whales aren't out there,
unlike what Kenzar believes are

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now coming up on the out of the
ocean shooting.

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People on because brain size is
only part of the equation.

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The other part of the equation
is how many neuron connections

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that the brain has.
Human brains are very neuron

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dense.
Have a if you go down to square

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inch, we have tenfold more than
the next next most intelligent

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creature, which I believe is
dolphins, right?

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Dolphins are octopus.
Oh, yeah, yeah.

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Boofing some Starbucks.
Who's that?

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We were just talking about
boofing last night.

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Yeah, that's funny.
We were.

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Having current research,
elephants are considered to have

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the most neurons in their brain,
meaning they likely have the

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most neuron connections compared
to other animals, with an

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African elephant brain
containing a significantly more

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neurons than human brain.
So no.

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Well, neurons, neurons is
literally the path of

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information, right?
It's the it's the, it's the hand

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off of the information.
And just because this.

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Alex, they don't have.
Thumbs, dude.

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It's not just brain sizes.
Thumbs.

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Well, I mean, there's, there's
been a lot of talk about how

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elephants are very intelligent,
right?

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They have they have great
memories, but they don't have

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the tools to be able to
communicate right.

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There's no combustion under the
water, so they were never able

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to, like, get anywhere.
Yeah, they they can't make fire

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underwater.
Like, OK, who?

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Whales are elephants.
You're going.

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To tell me whales can make fire
underwater, this is the thing

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they don't have it's the.
Brain, their own magnesium and

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water quenching.
Yeah.

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It's the neuron.
Density.

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Right now it's the.
Neuron density and brain size.

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It's the fact they don't have
thumbs and it's the fact that

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they're under fucking water and
there's no combustion of any

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kind and all types of.
But that's the problem with

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evolution.
Evolution says that you develop

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these things things over time
because you need them.

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So if whales and or elephants
had way higher neurons levels

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than we did, then they should
have been the ones with thumbs

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and we would still be
chimpanzees.

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Come on man.
Come on, Come on bro.

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I think.
There's a lot more to.

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Play in this theory and the
author of this book is going to

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go crying home in shame.
That's what's going.

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On the author's dead.
But, well, he would cry home in

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shame.
Go crying home in shame.

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Have you ever heard, Have you
ever got a chance to listen to

455
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,360
Terence McKenna talk?
Man, the dude is brilliant.

456
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:39,920
He doesn't.
He's brilliant.

457
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,240
If he's very hot, he's dumb
things.

458
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,600
Dude, Terence McKenna and his
brother Dennis McKenna lived a

459
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,080
wildlife back in the day man.
And like the the things that he

460
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,400
talks about is just like so deep
and like philosophical and just

461
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,040
crazy shit.
Deep and philosophical maybe,

462
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,800
but that doesn't mean it's true.
Not necessarily, no, it's just

463
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,840
theories, but it's, you know,
it's there's some good arguments

464
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,640
to be made.
You know, I don't necessarily

465
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,520
think that the stoned ape theory
is like the end all be all.

466
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,880
Like we came out of the trees,
we ate mushrooms and here we

467
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,200
are.
No, I think there's a lot of

468
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,640
other things that could happen,
including, you know, including

469
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,240
like intervention from spiritual
beings, right.

470
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,560
But.
We get into.

471
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,440
That it's just a part of it, you
know, I think that the, the

472
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,240
mushrooms is just an aspect of
that.

473
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,560
Maybe let's just say the reason
why our brains are sophisticated

474
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,000
enough to be able to, I don't
know what's the right word have

475
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:38,120
an effect I guess from these
drugs is because that's what

476
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:41,440
heaven is like.
You know, the Bible says no, I

477
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,440
can see nor ears heard the
things that are awaiting you in

478
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,120
heaven.
So if we can't in our wild

479
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:54,680
imaginations assume what heaven
is like, then maybe that's why

480
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,640
we have things in our brains and
going back to the spiritual

481
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,200
thing.
But we got things in our brains

482
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:06,120
that when we have a complete
body in heaven, we will be able

483
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:09,640
to perceive these things.
And that's why and people get a

484
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,800
glimpse of that when they're on
psilocybin or they're on DMT or

485
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,080
they're doing something like
that.

486
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:19,600
You know, the colors, the, the
concepts, you know, all these

487
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,200
different things.
So maybe that's why we have

488
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,320
these these brains set up the
way they were because, you know,

489
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,600
say Adam and Eve had these
brains that were able to

490
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:36,280
perceive God and see God and and
experience God and all of what

491
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:37,840
that means.
You're right.

492
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,800
But then they sinned.
They got cast out of the Garden

493
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,000
of Eden.
I don't what it's to say God

494
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,760
didn't stop, you know, change
their brains, but they stopped

495
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:54,200
being able to perceive that
level of of incredible stuff

496
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,880
because they were no longer
surrounded by it.

497
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,680
And that's what is suppressed in
our brains.

498
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,200
It, it's not true when back in
the day when science would be

499
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,880
like, oh, you use only 10% of
your brain.

500
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,920
No, since we've got like, you
know, we can actually scan the

501
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,040
brain.
We've seen that all right,

502
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,520
certain parts line up with
certain things and stuff like

503
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,080
that.
They, they all light up, right?

504
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,400
The brain controls a number of
different things.

505
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,440
It's not all working at the same
time.

506
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,360
But the fact that we can take
these drugs and have these

507
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:25,080
effects and see these sorts of
things and hear and smell and

508
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,840
taste and touch and all that
sort of stuff.

509
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,840
Maybe that's because when we are
full and complete in the

510
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,040
afterlife, we will be
experiencing that.

511
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,440
I mean, I don't disagree with
that at all, man.

512
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,320
I mean, I've like I've said many
times on the show, like a lot of

513
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,360
my most like profound and what I
would only classify as some sort

514
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,720
of spiritual experiences always
happen with psychedelics.

515
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,200
So I'm with that, right?
And I've always said with them,

516
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,960
when I'm with my friends doing
this stuff, it's like, man, this

517
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,080
must be, this is like reality
with the filter being removed,

518
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,440
right?
Like you're seeing reality for

519
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,120
what it is, which includes like
the the realms of the spirit

520
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,480
realms and things like that.
Yeah.

521
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,240
The veil gets lifted off, right?
Exactly.

522
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,800
Yeah, and This is why I, like a
lot of tribes and cultures had

523
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,280
like the idea of the spirit
journey and you would take the

524
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,040
psychedelics and you'd have the
spirit journey and walk a month.

525
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,040
So, you know, so I'm with that.
I just don't see why the two

526
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,000
can't coexist is all I'm saying,
Right?

527
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,760
Like because I've heard
arguments, right, of people who

528
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,720
have said that there's things
where a lot of the what's the

529
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:36,400
word Abramic religions are
really pointing towards mushroom

530
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:41,280
worship because mushrooms were
so important in like causing

531
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,880
people to breed and like having
these deep philosophical

532
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,560
thoughts and thinking about the
future and just like being

533
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,200
creative and imaginative, right?
And over history, they've kind

534
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,120
of just like developed into
these like bigger, you know,

535
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,800
monotheistic ideas, I guess,
right.

536
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,560
So, but I'm I couldn't point you
to who I've heard that from.

537
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,320
I just know that I've seen like
some pretty interesting like

538
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,840
documentaries and videos and
talks on this kind of thing

539
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,920
before and people bring it up
sometimes.

540
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,040
So to me I.
Mean I've seen some interesting

541
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,240
documentaries on climate change.
That doesn't make that.

542
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,280
Real.
Yeah, yeah, no, I'm not.

543
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,200
I'm not saying it is.
I'm just saying that both things

544
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,200
could be true, right.
Like I'm just leaving it open

545
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,000
for both is what I'm trying to
because.

546
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,040
Gosh, what is the name?
Only because I've had those

547
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,040
experiences bro.
That's the only reason.

548
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,800
Like because I've literally like
been in the void in Infinity,

549
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,440
surrounded by an internal energy
that was comforting me into the

550
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,760
into the infinite bro.
I existed there for all time,

551
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:48,680
right?
It's the only way I could

552
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,080
explain it as I was in what you
would call heaven.

553
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,080
So.
It has to be.

554
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,200
Excuse me, what?
I was trying to find out who

555
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,440
this Jesus guy was, right?
I was like a militant atheist.

556
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,360
I hated the idea of God, but my
life sucked.

557
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,360
And so I was just like, all
right, well, let's try to figure

558
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,360
this whole thing out.
Why is my life suck?

559
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,960
And so I started getting looking
into all the world religions and

560
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,720
all that sort of stuff.
And eventually I got to

561
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,120
Christianity and there was one
of the apologists that used to

562
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,800
watch his name was Frank Turek.
And he does a lot of like

563
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,000
college campus Q&A's and things
like that, right?

564
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,240
And he, he has a couple books
out and everything, but he said,

565
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,040
you know, because someone said,
you know, why can't evolution

566
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,600
exist just because Jesus exists?
And he's like, he's like,

567
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,480
honestly, evolution in Jesus can
go hand in hand.

568
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,160
Like even if evolution is real,
that doesn't take anything away

569
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,560
from Christ.
You know, it just adds extra

570
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,400
steps.
And I was like, yeah, that's

571
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,280
fair.
Now I don't believe that, right?

572
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:57,120
I don't believe that we evolved
at least macro evolution versus

573
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,840
micro evolution, right?
Adaptation.

574
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:04,040
But I mean, one thing that the
Bible isn't, it's not a book on

575
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,880
gosh, what what's the word?
It always escapes in me.

576
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,200
But it's not, it's basically
it's not a book on animals.

577
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,520
It's not a book on all of human
history.

578
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,200
It's not a book on, you know,
what happened in between the

579
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,640
seven days that God made
everything.

580
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:24,440
It's a book about people's
journey to have a relationship

581
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,760
with God and then finding out
they are completely and utterly

582
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,400
not able to do that because they
can't for the life of them do

583
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,120
the right thing.
And then God having to step in

584
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,320
and save the day.
Like that's all it is.

585
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,840
And it's, you know, it, it, it's
44 books, it's 1500, you know,

586
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,880
years over that and all that
sort of stuff.

587
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,960
But the Bible doesn't mention
platypi, right?

588
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,800
And they exist.
It doesn't mention jellyfish and

589
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,480
they exist.
It doesn't mention all these

590
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,400
other things.
It doesn't mention, you know,

591
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:59,800
dwarf tribes in Papua New Guinea
or in Australia or whatever it

592
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,280
is.
But from what the fossil record

593
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,520
shows, those existed, right?
So there is a lot of stuff to be

594
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:14,720
open about and to and for the
most part I am open to that,

595
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:21,200
except when it comes to the idea
that we didn't weren't just made

596
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:26,880
as we are, we were we were made
as primates and then we evolved

597
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,880
from there.
I think that the fact that

598
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:39,040
science can give you 30 examples
of what AT Rex look like, at

599
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,680
least it's bones, right through
bits and pieces or full

600
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,880
skeletons or whatever it was.
But they'll pull out a skull

601
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,480
that has almost nothing left of
it and they'll rebuild the

602
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,520
entire thing using plaster and
be like, this is what our

603
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,920
ancient ancestors look like,
right?

604
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,320
And it's one example and that's
it.

605
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,120
It's it there.
There isn't.

606
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,560
You know, if it takes us a
million years or billion years

607
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,840
to transition from one thing to
another, we should have so many

608
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,760
freaking skeletons.
It would be unmistakable or

609
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:21,400
undeniable that we evolved from
these future, these past

610
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:22,800
primates or whatever.
I.

611
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,440
Agree.
I actually agree with that.

612
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,560
But we don't.
We don't have thousands and

613
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,440
thousands of skeletons of our
ancestors.

614
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:36,400
We have two.
No, we have like 40 something

615
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:39,239
different.
I mean you could see the the

616
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,880
clear changes.
No, I see what he's saying.

617
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,520
I mean, there, there there are.
One and another one as it goes

618
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:45,400
back.
It's not.

619
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,520
It's not.
In this generation we got 1000

620
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,840
fossilizations of our previous
ancestors.

621
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,440
In this generation we got
another thousand.

622
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,040
In this generation we got
another thousand.

623
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:56,560
It doesn't.
Happen.

624
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,560
I see what he's saying.
There should be millions of.

625
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,960
And the same thing is, they say
that dinosaurs evolved into

626
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,040
chickens, but that can't be
because chickens, you know, lay

627
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,400
an egg every day.
It could be a fertilized egg

628
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,080
every day.
There'd be billions upon

629
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:16,080
billions upon billions of
fossilized examples of the

630
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:21,160
transition and the change from
scales to feathers from it's

631
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,800
not.
That's not one that's not true.

632
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,320
Thing.
That's not true.

633
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,360
There's not fossil.
There's not billions and

634
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,120
billions of fossils of modern
humans even.

635
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:33,000
From thousands of years.
But no, what I'm what I'm saying

636
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,800
is that in order for a fossil to
exist, it has to have died in

637
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,520
the correct circumstances.
And there's.

638
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:40,960
Also in the correct.
In the.

639
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,960
Correct.
I think we have to remember like

640
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,760
there is like huge Earth
cataclysms, right?

641
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,440
Even just in the last few 100
years, few thousand years,

642
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,600
there's been like some severe
shit that went down that that

643
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,680
wiped things completely away,
right.

644
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,160
So it's like when you think
about the younger Dryas, I don't

645
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,400
have any guys ever looked at
that beyond what I brought here.

646
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:08,760
But like, dude, that that event
literally wiped whatever was on

647
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,400
the northern hemisphere away
gone.

648
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,000
Even if there was pyramids that
were 10 times the size of the

649
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,120
ones in Giza, if there was, that
type of structure would have

650
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,720
been erased.
Like nothing based off of what

651
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,520
some of the research is saying,
right?

652
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,720
This is how cataclysmic some of
these events are, right?

653
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,320
This could be why you won't.
You wouldn't find any remains.

654
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:29,680
Of well, they should be
somewhere.

655
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,480
Sure.
Well, they'd be powder.

656
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,240
They'd be reincorporated into
the earth, right?

657
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,320
Like at that point it would just
be you take.

658
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,280
One of those deer bodies that
you killed this year, go bury it

659
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,080
out in your woods and then come
back in five years, it's going

660
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,040
to be completely gone.
It's it wasn't buried in silt.

661
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,680
That silt didn't get dehydrated
and turn into limestone.

662
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,360
I'll tell you what, I'll do
that.

663
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,760
I actually have a whole bag of
deer carcasses on the side yard

664
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,840
and we'll do that when the show
is here in the next 5 years.

665
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,400
I will dig that thing up and be
like, look, Jeremy, there's

666
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,680
bones.
Yeah, but thousands of years

667
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,120
might be, Yeah.
I understand your argument

668
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,360
though, Jake.
Like I'm with you on that.

669
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,200
Honestly, I do believe that the
timeline is skewed of history,

670
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,400
right?
I don't believe that

671
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,280
necessarily.
It took like 10 million years of

672
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,320
us eating mushrooms to develop
to the point of humans that we

673
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,000
are, right?
I think that that could have

674
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,000
happened much quicker.
And I do that.

675
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,040
There was intervention and we
were created in this form,

676
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,840
whether it have been from God,
literally or like some other

677
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,520
demigod figures, right?
One of the other I think created

678
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,200
us for sure.
I don't think that we were just

679
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,280
like evolved from, you know,
microbials billions of years ago

680
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:40,760
as we're told.
I think that's bullshit.

681
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,160
Like the human eye?
Like your, Your eyeball

682
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:49,480
literally can't exist and can't
function without all the parts

683
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,760
working together.
Did you guys see what the proton

684
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:53,720
looks like?
So it it.

685
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,120
Yeah.
So there's there's no reason to

686
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:02,280
to think that the eye developed
over evolution, over time.

687
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,080
It can't exist.
It can't function the way it

688
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,360
does without everything working
together.

689
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:13,680
You can't have, you can't be
lacking your your pupil.

690
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,960
You can't be lacking the veins.
You can't be lacking the the the

691
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,280
neurotransmitter.
Literally the same thing with

692
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,040
everything in your body.
Right.

693
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,400
So you can't evolve those
things.

694
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,560
Why would you have it yet it has
happened over doesn't do

695
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,920
anything.
But yet it has happened over

696
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,400
millions of species in the
history of this planet.

697
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,240
Give an example.
Every species on.

698
00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:37,760
This planet one example.
A cat.

699
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,200
What one example from a cat?
It has eyes.

700
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,560
It has better eyes.
Than you.

701
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,640
So why give an example of how
that evolved to be that?

702
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,480
Because they needed to be able
to see at night.

703
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,200
Why won't they be?
Why?

704
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,640
Why would a cat not be able to
see at night What was it before

705
00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:01,560
the cat and give give accurate
proof that this thing evolved

706
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,680
into a cat.
Whatever the thing was, was the

707
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,200
marsupial?
Was it some sort of like shrimp,

708
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,200
you know, And then if suddenly
evolves like what was it I.

709
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,880
Mean if you want to go all the
way back, dude, you're talking

710
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,200
about single cell Organism.
Right.

711
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,360
And then, right, given an
example of it actually

712
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,880
transitioning into that thing,
if it took a billion years to

713
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,760
get to the next thing and then
there should be hundreds and

714
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,360
hundreds of billions of examples
of it while it was transitioning

715
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:27,920
into that thing.
So give an example.

716
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,000
But you're also looking for a
needle in a haystack.

717
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,440
You shouldn't.
Just because we don't have it

718
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:34,480
doesn't mean it doesn't.
Exist.

719
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,440
You said that there has to be a
specific set of circumstances in

720
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,520
order to create a fossil which
we can study.

721
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,760
Then after billions of
generations of a thing that

722
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:49,520
breeds every 10 seconds, then
there should be an one example

723
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,360
of the thing transitioning from
one thing to another thing, one

724
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,560
species to another.
If you can't give that, then

725
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,000
evolution is false.
If I can't give it.

726
00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:02,320
If no one can give it, if
scientists can't give it,

727
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,440
evolution is false I.
Have to kind of back Jake here a

728
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,760
little bit because I do think he
has a point that, you know,

729
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:14,320
there's just too, there's too
many things that are

730
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,880
coincidences that that have to
have taken place for us to have

731
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,960
just evolved in this position.
And I'll just use the eye as an

732
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,080
example, right?
If you've seen recently, they

733
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:28,080
know what the photon looks like
and it literally looks exactly

734
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:29,960
like an eye.
And it's just interesting to me

735
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,440
that the photon, the particle of
light, the thing that our eye

736
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,000
takes in for our brains to
decode and think, looks like the

737
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,760
thing that is observing it.
It's, it's like the whole

738
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,960
quantum thing, right?
Like it is the thing that we're

739
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,160
observing, like.
How this horse looks like an

740
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:48,480
atom?
Right.

741
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,080
This has to be like a creation
of some kind, right?

742
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,200
Like, well, and so my only
debate is like, is, is this

743
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,920
creation within another
creation, right?

744
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,160
Or is this the creation?
So like that's the thing I think

745
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,120
that people could debate because
if you're religious, of course

746
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,520
you're going to think that this
is the creation made by the

747
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,640
creator.
If you're not and you and you

748
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,080
think of like multiverses and
you're more into like the

749
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,920
science realm, you're going to
think that this could

750
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,600
potentially be a creation within
creation and like in layers

751
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:19,840
beyond, right?
So.

752
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,680
Like a millionaire and parfaits.
Parfaits have layers.

753
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,200
See the band You OK?
First of all, I'm not against

754
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,040
creationism.
I'm just not in the same boat as

755
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,400
thinking that there is one
entity that created everything,

756
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,680
right?
There could be a creator that's

757
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,120
not a physical entity or a
spiritual entity, right?

758
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,360
It could be something that we
absolutely just don't

759
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,480
understand.
But even if there is a creator

760
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,720
to think that that people or
whatever something that's living

761
00:41:53,720 --> 00:41:57,320
doesn't adapt to the way that
they they live.

762
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,160
And that's why we.
Their environment, I mean, just

763
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,560
look at the difference, the skin
tones of people, people that

764
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:05,720
live.
And that's why we we

765
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,080
differentiate micro versus macro
evolution.

766
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,240
Adaptation is something
completely different than it's

767
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:16,440
not hardcore evolution where one
species transitions to another.

768
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,960
Black people and Asian people
and Hispanic people are not

769
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,800
biologically different than
white people, right?

770
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,360
They have different melanistic
characteristics, but they're not

771
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,800
biologically different.
If I have AB negative they.

772
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,720
Are absolutely biologically
different.

773
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:37,760
That's how that's how you can
look at someone's blood and tell

774
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,520
tell where they're from is
because they have their

775
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,840
biological bookmarks in their
biologics.

776
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,160
I guess you can.
I 2021 and me will tell you that

777
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,080
they can.
I can't take my AB. ancestry.com

778
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,960
give you that.
They can and they survive.

779
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,920
It would die if I did a blood
transfusion.

780
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,400
You're talking about two
different species.

781
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,280
Yes, that's what I'm talking
about.

782
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,080
They're not biologically
different.

783
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,760
I can't take, I can take my AB
negative blood and give it to a

784
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,440
black person or Mexican or a
Asian person or someone from

785
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,560
Hawaii that has AB negative
blood and they will survive,

786
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,920
right?
I cannot give it to my dog.

787
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,800
He will die, right?
They're not biologically

788
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,760
separate.
The only thing that separates us

789
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,880
is our facial features and our
body features.

790
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,840
Our DNA is the same and our
melanistic traits.

791
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,920
That's it.
So you can't.

792
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,560
I I think but.
I think you're 1 species to

793
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:33,840
another.
Just as semantic

794
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,280
misunderstanding, but yeah.
I think, I think that I mean,

795
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:40,640
Jake, I love you man, but I, I,
I think you're, you're lacking

796
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,440
knowledge on taxonomical.
Information.

797
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,960
What I'm saying, I think it's
just.

798
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,960
Using the wrong using the wrong
terminology is the problem.

799
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,560
That's what's bothering.
He's triggering you because

800
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,160
you're using.
He's saying that they're not.

801
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,040
He's using the word biologically
instead of.

802
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:56,240
Speciously sure.
Speech.

803
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,480
Yeah, I guess.
I don't even know the correct

804
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,360
term either, but that's the word
that's triggering you.

805
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,240
I think you guys are just
talking in circles around each

806
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:05,080
other on this one, because he's
not wrong, he's just using the

807
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,560
wrong terms.
It's semantic misunderstanding.

808
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:13,120
The fact is, is that like rats
or rabbits, you know, small,

809
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:21,360
small rodents can reproduce like
100 generations in a year like

810
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,920
crazy, right?
So if you were to tell me some

811
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,480
prehistoric rat end up turning
into another animal, say like

812
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,400
the giant sloth, if they can
produce 100 generations in a

813
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:38,720
year and it takes a million
years to go from one species to

814
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:43,280
another species, we're looking
at a trillion generations.

815
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,440
And in those trillion
generations, not one of them

816
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,360
died in a specific way where all
the fossils are on the same

817
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,120
line.
Like wherever you go in the

818
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,480
world, they're all found in the
same band of earth.

819
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,960
But you can't find me one
example of a mouse or a rat

820
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,760
going from one species to
another species and the steps it

821
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,640
took in between to do that.
Because whatever one that was,

822
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:12,760
that one out right, the genetic
lottery of just like now I have

823
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:17,040
better hearing, or I have better
eyesight, or now I have sharper

824
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:21,360
teeth or whatever it was then
that would carry on because

825
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,360
they're genetically better than
the last version.

826
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,400
So they should be the ones out
breeding the rest of the rats,

827
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:35,280
getting into the next species
that they turn into a a mole or

828
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,280
getting into, you know, the
giant sloth or whatever it was.

829
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:39,720
You will see the growth
progression.

830
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:41,120
You'll see all these different
things.

831
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:46,840
If this, if the settings have to
be just right after billions and

832
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,680
trillions and millions of
babies, there should be one that

833
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,720
dies in the perfect
circumstances to make a fossil.

834
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,120
And science doesn't have it.
They don't have it for anything.

835
00:45:57,240 --> 00:45:59,960
They don't have it for humans.
They don't have it for for

836
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:02,400
chickens turning into dinosaurs.
They don't, you know, or

837
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,680
dinosaurs turning into chickens
and anything like that.

838
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,040
They have one example of a
feathered dinosaur and it was a

839
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,240
fake and that's it.
So there should be something in

840
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:15,080
between.
And you can't tell me that.

841
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,160
No, it's, it's because, well,
they have 40, OK, great. 40 over

842
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,120
time from this thing to this
thing.

843
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,600
And they have 40 examples over
time.

844
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,680
How many people would be
produced if you didn't have

845
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,760
birth control?
All of them.

846
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,840
Anytime we had sex there would
be an offspring reproduce unless

847
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,080
there was sterilization or
something like that.

848
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,360
So there would be hundreds of
examples in each category.

849
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,640
Here's Homo erectus, there's
hundreds of examples.

850
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,240
Here's the Homo sapiens,
hundreds of examples.

851
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,520
Here's the pygmies in Australia,
hundreds and hundreds of

852
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,040
examples, right?
They're all the time.

853
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,120
If you could get one fossil out
of that area, then there would

854
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:57,960
be hundreds of fossils out of
that area.

855
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,480
It just doesn't make sense that
there isn't that.

856
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,560
Link.
I think you're thinking now,

857
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,040
fossils are just so common and
that it's easy just to be like,

858
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,880
oh, you know, I'm going to go
look for this missing link right

859
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,440
now and go out and find it.
The thing is, is that it could

860
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,000
take thousands of years to find
one of the links.

861
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,960
And it's just it, but it's a
needle in a haystack.

862
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,400
But we may not.
We may not even have access to

863
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,960
that depth.
Jeremy It hasn't, though.

864
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,080
It took the Smithsonian 40 years
to find all the examples of

865
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,360
humans turning from apes to to
humans.

866
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,320
Yeah, because it takes.
Time.

867
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:32,840
How?
Shit dude.

868
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,760
I don't believe anything comes
out of Smithsonian dude.

869
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,480
Basically, Smithsonian says it
30.

870
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,000
Years for them to decide.
These are all the, the genetic,

871
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,760
these are all the the
evolutionary steps in between

872
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,600
apes to humans.
And they found all of the

873
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,680
fossils that they needed.
It didn't take thousands of

874
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,040
years, Jeremy.
It took 40 years or 50 or 60

875
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,080
years.
And that's it.

876
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,760
They hoped.
But yeah, man.

877
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,400
There's just no evidence, no
concrete evidence.

878
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,960
But even even that, that list
that you're talking about is

879
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,960
incomplete.
A lot of those are just filled

880
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,200
in with with conceptions.
Yeah, it's not.

881
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,640
But they what I'm saying is like
as if it's a fact.

882
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,360
This is where we came from, not
this is where we think we came

883
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,760
from.
All right, man, SO1, All right,

884
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,800
I this, this is probably one of
the hardest debates that I've

885
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,800
had because I just don't know
how to approach this with you.

886
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,800
Go for it, just blast me.
No, man, because I.

887
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,000
It's because my theories are are
stronger personally.

888
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,080
Man, I think that you're just
not willing to like, you know,

889
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,320
take anything in right now, like
at all.

890
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,800
Well, which is which is what?
Something in if it made sense.

891
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,320
I do die, all right.
If it made sense, if it wasn't

892
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,000
from a bias and it made sense, I
would take it in.

893
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,040
So when are you going to remove
your bias?

894
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:57,240
I, I I can.
Can you?

895
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,480
Yeah.
OK, but what you're saying to me

896
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,280
and the what you're saying to me
from your brain as far as what

897
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,760
makes sense to you and the
information we have as far as

898
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,480
what the scientists say doesn't
align.

899
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,080
You can say all day long that
Dragons farted magical Pixie

900
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,120
dust out of their asses.
And science says Dragons didn't

901
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,000
exist.
I'm not going to just suddenly

902
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,440
believe you just because you say
it, right?

903
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,440
So I'm like, based off what
science says, right?

904
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:31,120
So science has, you know, the
archaeology, the paleontology

905
00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:35,000
has so much information to show
us where we came from.

906
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,760
And their information to me is
proven faulty and wrong.

907
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,520
And it just, it doesn't line up
because of the amount of

908
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,560
breeding that takes place over a
million years.

909
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,120
If there's one fossil in a spot
where it's the perfect

910
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,280
conditions, as you said, then
there should have been a tribe

911
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,360
of people in that perfect
condition.

912
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,080
Human beings or people
transitioning into humans or

913
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,080
evolving to humans don't just
aren't just singularly out there

914
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,120
in the middle of nowhere like a
lion.

915
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,080
They don't do that.
We're we're tribal.

916
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:13,880
So one person falls down into
quicksand, dies, the entire

917
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,800
tribe then has to jump in there
with him.

918
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,280
Why is there only one spot of
quicksand in the entire?

919
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,520
Earth it's, but it's.
Not man, that's thing.

920
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,800
There's only one spot of
quicksand in the entire earth.

921
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,480
There's only one where the.
Fuck, did you get that from?

922
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:27,640
Where did you get that from?
Where?

923
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,600
When I when I said that you keep
taking these jumps into some of

924
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,400
the most ridiculous bullshit,
dude, and it's like, what the

925
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,840
fuck are you talking about?
What the fuck?

926
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:41,880
You there has to be super
specific instances in which

927
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,080
bones get fossilized.
Yes.

928
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,960
OK, so there's one spot of
quicken the entire Earth where?

929
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,160
How the fuck did you come up
with there's one spot of

930
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,840
quicksand?
Over a million years or a

931
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,960
billion years, only one thing
that shit.

932
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,240
Into my mouth, bro.
That I did not say that.

933
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,760
I'm asking you a question.
I'm not telling you this, I'm

934
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,160
asking.
But the answer is no.

935
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,840
There is way more than one spot
of quicksand.

936
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,680
OK, So I shouldn't have to say
could have more people fall fall

937
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,880
into it.
Yeah, but maybe I only have one

938
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,480
examples.
We do.

939
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,560
No, we don't.
We have, We have plenty of

940
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,600
examples of dead people from
thousands of years ago.

941
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,640
Thousands we have.
Them Thousands.

942
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,400
Millions.
Of years though, because we

943
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,880
don't have access to the depths
of where the other ones are.

944
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,680
They're all in the same fossil
layer.

945
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,920
Anyone who works in the oil
industry will tell you that the

946
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,560
fossil layer stops at a certain
point, and that's so.

947
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,200
And below that you're saying the
oil you're.

948
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:39,160
Saying the reserves of oil,
right, That's, that's, that is

949
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,240
where the fossil record is.
No, it's above that, about

950
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:46,200
12,000 feet above that.
OK, so how big is the fossil

951
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,800
record?
Fossil record goes all the way

952
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,840
up to.
Us in some cases, but it stops

953
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,280
at some point, which it
shouldn't.

954
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,640
If the Earth is billions of
years old, it shouldn't.

955
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,640
There should be a much deeper
fossil record.

956
00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:00,240
So who's who's to say that there
isn't a fossil record underneath

957
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,240
oil, underneath petroleum, to
say that there isn't another

958
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:06,520
fossil record down there?
I guess it'd be how far people

959
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,200
dig.
I mean, well, they.

960
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:10,400
Claim that that is the fossil
record.

961
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,560
Essentially, they say that the
fuel is petroleum.

962
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,760
Is dead animals and dead dead?
It's a.

963
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,440
It's an element in.
Bullshit too though.

964
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:20,960
That's bullshit too though, I'm
not going to lie.

965
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:21,800
I mean.
I get that.

966
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,440
Yeah.
Like, I mean, I've gone against

967
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,640
science 1000 times on the show
and said it's bullshit, right?

968
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,280
But there's there's sometimes
when it's like, man, you know,

969
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,920
you just, you got to, you got to
look at things and be like, OK,

970
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,200
some things just have to make
sense.

971
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:41,960
And I I'm, I'm sorry, but for
the most part, evolution on a

972
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,880
grand scale makes sense to me.
Why?

973
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,280
Why?
Because it makes sense.

974
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,600
Why?
What's the evidence to make it

975
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,040
make sense?
He trusts the experts.

976
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:54,560
No, I, I don't know so.
What?

977
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,920
What for you makes it make
sense?

978
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,960
Why does it make sense?
So you're saying that we just

979
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:04,880
plopped here in our in our form
that we are in right now?

980
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:09,960
So the fact that we share
genetic similarities,

981
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,280
chimpanzees.
Similarities to a banana,

982
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,400
Jeremy?
Yeah, it doesn't matter.

983
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,760
But then you then you're talking
about percentages.

984
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,920
When you're talking about
genetic similarities, all you're

985
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,240
saying is an arm goes here, a
face goes there, a nose goes

986
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:26,400
there, it doesn't matter.
Shit, the timeline is just wrong

987
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,520
and the, the, the, the earth is
not as old as we're told right.

988
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,000
So all of archaeology and, and
shit is just a fabrication.

989
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,480
It's a big money laundering
scheme.

990
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,120
I mean I I.
Definitely think it happens

991
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:37,960
faster than they they put it
out.

992
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:42,880
I definitely think it happens
faster than than than than.

993
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,320
What's it?
That's for sure.

994
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:49,400
So, and is it also possible that
something or some, yeah,

995
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:54,760
something intervened in our
quote UN quote evolution to

996
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,480
create us?
Is that possible?

997
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:01,680
To create us I, I, I think to.
Or to manipulate something else.

998
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,880
I do not think that.
Intervention.

999
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,560
Yes, there definitely could have
been.

1000
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,600
I do not think that we were made
from a blank canvas, if that.

1001
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,720
What do you say?
What do you say about just that,

1002
00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:13,360
Jake?
What's that?

1003
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,880
Do you think?
I mean, I know your answer, but

1004
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,240
do you think that we were
created from a blank canvas here

1005
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:23,000
or do you think that we were
created from something else

1006
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,040
here?
No from a blank canvas.

1007
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,640
You don't think it's possible
that when God created Adam and

1008
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:33,080
Eve, he may have used the canvas
of a previous primate and just

1009
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,320
created Adam and Eve from that?
What do you mean by canvas?

1010
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,360
Well, like in the sense.
Well, here's here's the reason I

1011
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,840
asked, because there's the
evidence that our DNA has been

1012
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:49,040
fused, right?
The chromosome fused in our DNA.

1013
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,760
So what is that like something
did that right?

1014
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,400
Now, I would say that ancient
peoples would have said that the

1015
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,360
same thing that did that.
They called it God, right?

1016
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,960
So I would say God or whatever
it was is the same thing that

1017
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,600
fused and created us literally.
And they may have used something

1018
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,360
else with similar DNA from the
time and fused those two.

1019
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:13,640
Whatever.
Yes.

1020
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,080
I talked to Jeremy when we were
talking about whales like a year

1021
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,920
or two ago, and we were talking
about this exact same thing.

1022
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:25,280
Why do whales have bones in
their flippers that look like

1023
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,880
hands but with elongated bones?
And I was like, when you build a

1024
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,480
new car, if you were to design a
new car, would you start with a

1025
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,480
different type of wheel?
And he was like, no.

1026
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,960
And I was like, exactly.
You start with the same

1027
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,840
wheelbase.
You start with the same engine

1028
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,720
base, maybe, unless you want to
throw some flair in there,

1029
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,040
right?
And in the same chassis design,

1030
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:50,360
but you design the outside of
the car different so that it

1031
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:55,960
matches your models of your, you
know, maker, whatever Toyota,

1032
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,920
Ford, whatever it is, right?
But it's same wheels.

1033
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:01,280
You're not making a new type of
wheel.

1034
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:06,240
But could could God have
utilized the same things he

1035
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:09,360
already had on the planet from
the day before?

1036
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,200
Maybe that was a million years,
who knows?

1037
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,120
Or a billion years, right?
The day before, whatever God

1038
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:19,120
considers a day, right?
To create human beings in that

1039
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:23,360
sort of image, Sure, why not?
But did he utilize say like

1040
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,840
chimpanzees were already there
cuz they get all the animals he

1041
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,960
had all the, the sea life, you
know, all that sort of stuff and

1042
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,280
been like, all right, now you
guys are going to be humans, no.

1043
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,040
OK, I'll take that answer.
I'll accept that I don't know

1044
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,240
about you, Jeremy, because out
of there is this whole missing

1045
00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:39,680
link thing like there is, we
still don't have a clear path

1046
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,680
from our evolution, right?
And that that's Jake's point

1047
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,200
before, right?
There is no clear path that's

1048
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,640
been written down peer reviewed.
And all they say is that this

1049
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,400
animal turned into this animal,
turned into this animal, turned

1050
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:55,080
into this animal, turned into
chickens, this this being, turn

1051
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,320
into this being, turn into this
being, turn to this being, turn

1052
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,480
into this being.
And there's humans, that's true.

1053
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,600
Billion years in between, that's
true.

1054
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,400
But there is a period there.
Is a genetic map that you can

1055
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,560
make.
From a bunch of liars.

1056
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:13,280
I mean, yeah, they they lie
about a lot of things.

1057
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:14,520
I get that.
I understand.

1058
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,560
But I mean, do you take vitamins
every day?

1059
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,840
No, 'cause I can't afford them.
They're too expensive.

1060
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:22,880
Just for men.
It's crazy expensive.

1061
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,920
It's like 40 bucks the wires.
Forget it.

1062
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,600
I'm I'm sure you use shampoo and
body wash right?

1063
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,120
Because the the the
professionals will tell you that

1064
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,400
it cleans your hair and your
body.

1065
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,240
You trust them on that?
I don't show every day you're.

1066
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,000
Fine, I mean, I'm just saying,
you know, pick and choose your

1067
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,400
battles.
No, I mean I I agree man.

1068
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,520
There's there's a line where you
where you have to draw right.

1069
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,240
I've gone a record tons of times
saying that there's there's just

1070
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:47,720
shit that just doesn't make
sense.

1071
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:52,280
You know, and science is
bullshit, but I'm sorry man, the

1072
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,880
the whole thing about genetics
and evolution, I just it, it

1073
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,880
makes too much sense to me.
And I'm, I just want to show

1074
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,560
this.
Wait, that's not it.

1075
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,160
Hold on.
So let me get this straight.

1076
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:09,360
You want you would I'm going to
make an assumption here.

1077
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,600
You tell me if I.
Please assume yes.

1078
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:16,400
You want Jesus to come into your
living room to tell you that he

1079
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,560
exists for you to believe in
him, but you're willing for a

1080
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:24,080
bunch of scientists tell you a
bunch of mumbo jumbo with no

1081
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,840
explanation and no evidence
whatsoever, and you're totally

1082
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:29,000
on board with the believing in
them.

1083
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:35,360
Nope, not at all.
I would totally believe in Jesus

1084
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:40,320
and and the concept of
Christianity and everything that

1085
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:45,320
it stands for under far less
evidence than Jesus walking into

1086
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,320
my living room.
What evidence?

1087
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,440
I mean, I don't know what that
evidence looks like, but there's

1088
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,240
a lot of, there's a lot of
things in my life where I refuse

1089
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,680
to believe until I am given.
A flawed.

1090
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,520
I mean, yeah, we're, we're
absolutely flawed.

1091
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,720
Of course we are.
But that's why, right?

1092
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,280
It's 'cause people suck.
Yeah, yeah.

1093
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,200
But yet, I mean, you, you
believe that you need meat in

1094
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:11,680
your diet, right?
You don't believe in a

1095
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,280
vegetarian diet because there
are a lot of.

1096
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,720
People that I know that because
of science.

1097
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,800
Well, because of science.
But science has been able to

1098
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,840
explain why I need me and my
diet, why I need vitamin B12 to

1099
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,800
keep my brain from shrinking.
Science has not been able to

1100
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:34,240
represent a missing link between
species.

1101
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:36,720
Ever.
Not one.

1102
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,920
So you have single working time.
You've.

1103
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,800
Seen the physical evidence of
why you need these vitamins and

1104
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:44,640
protein?
Yes, but.

1105
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,600
There's things called YouTube,
OK, where they actually have

1106
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,360
demonstrations of stuff like
when they pull blood samples

1107
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,800
from people that don't eat meat
and pull blood samples from

1108
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:58,000
people that do eat meat, and
what your brain looks like when

1109
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,120
you don't eat meat over large
amounts of time.

1110
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:07,800
The problem is is that that is
something that can be seen now.

1111
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,120
Over days, right?
It's not something that can be

1112
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:15,560
seen over millions and billions
of years, but even that they

1113
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,240
don't have an example of it, but
they want you to believe it and

1114
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,560
they feed it to you and you just
snatch it up.

1115
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:25,920
You're like, MMM, gravy.
You know, it's just it, it, it

1116
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,760
they're, they're just there.
If there was a scientist that

1117
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,160
came out and said, hey, man, I
found the missing link, I'd be

1118
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:36,600
like, all right, bet.
But no one has done it, and

1119
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:37,320
they're.
Never.

1120
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,240
They're never going to.
They're never.

1121
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,080
Going to because it doesn't
exist.

1122
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,800
OK, because animals die out.
You know, man, I don't have

1123
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,320
enough capacity in my night for
this, so we're going to need to

1124
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,000
just move on.
All right.

1125
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,200
What do you got there, Jeff?
Doesn't matter if we're going to

1126
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,400
move on.
That was just the NIH's website

1127
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,240
basically breaking down the
fusion in our DNA that happened

1128
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,480
after the quote UN quote split
from the chimpanzee, which has

1129
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,440
not been proven.
To Jake's point.

1130
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,480
I will back him up on that.
That is not a fact.

1131
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,720
That is still there.
Never going to be proven.

1132
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,280
Of course, and that's fair.
I can take that argument too.

1133
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:13,600
But the fact is fact, right?
So, but what is also a fact is

1134
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:17,400
that our DNA has been fused to
create us, right?

1135
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:21,280
And that is the thing that is,
is like, what the fuck is that?

1136
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,200
So if I the only thing I'm
trying to do here is bridge to a

1137
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,520
common ground here, right?
I think we can all agree that

1138
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:32,680
something created us.
Something higher than us created

1139
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,400
us back in in history.
Now you could think of that

1140
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:39,240
scientifically or spiritually or
however you want, but the facts

1141
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:40,960
remain the same.
Our DNA was fused.

1142
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,280
I agree.
Somewhere, some way, you know,

1143
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,240
we are not.
How you perceive it from your

1144
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:50,800
God or your science or whatever,
it doesn't matter, right?

1145
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,800
We that we could debate for
eternity, and that's what Peter.

1146
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,000
Said it's time to draw again.
We're not even on the second

1147
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:02,680
fucking I know thing yet, so
we're on page two of nine.

1148
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,760
Holy shit, we'll even have to
turn 20 minutes.

1149
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,080
Yeah, I didn't want to make this
A2 parter, but I guess it's

1150
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,880
going to have to be all right.
Humans.

1151
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,240
It's undeniable that humans
share much in common with great

1152
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,880
apes that also call Earth home.
We resemble them in physical

1153
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,160
appearance, movement, and even
aspects of our thought process.

1154
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,040
However, the most striking
difference between US and them

1155
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,720
lies in brain power and
cognitive abilities.

1156
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,600
Given these similarities, it's
safe to assume that humans and

1157
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,840
modern apes share a common
ancestor, likely a member of the

1158
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,320
ape family.
Fossil records provide a fairly

1159
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,080
clear picture of our
evolutionary journey in terms of

1160
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:43,240
physical changes.
Yet what truly sets Homo sapiens

1161
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:47,040
apart from any other species is
not just our physical evolution,

1162
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,880
but our consciousness, an
enigmatic aspect of humanity

1163
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,160
that is far harder to trace and
understand.

1164
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,880
Physical evolution is well
documented in the fossil record,

1165
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:01,040
but the evolution of the human
mind seems to have occurred at a

1166
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,240
much faster and more complex
pace.

1167
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,280
One prevailing theory is that
culture played a pivotal role in

1168
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,560
shaping the modern human mind.
As early human cultures

1169
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,760
developed structure, the the
brain evolved to meet the

1170
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,040
demands of these emerging
societies.

1171
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,960
Primitive language likely
emerged as a tool for

1172
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,240
communication, eventually
eventually giving rise to

1173
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,200
storytelling, song, written
word, art, and technology.

1174
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,400
Each cultural advancement
spurred further cognitive

1175
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:32,280
growth, creating a compounding
effect that drove the rapid

1176
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,080
expansion of human intelligence
and self-awareness.

1177
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:39,560
This compounding effect is
evident in modern technology.

1178
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:43,840
In just a century, humanity
advanced from the Ford Model T

1179
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:47,920
to flying drones on Mars,
splicing genes, developing self

1180
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,480
driving cars, and wirelessly
communicating across the globe.

1181
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:55,920
In comparison, the previous
century saw far slower progress

1182
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,000
from horse drawn buggies to the
automobile.

1183
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,400
While this pattern seems to
suggest that human minds grow

1184
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:06,640
exponentially, some argue that
the real catalyst is our ability

1185
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,760
to record knowledge and build
upon the achievements of others,

1186
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,440
giving the illusion of
accelerated cognitive evolution.

1187
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:18,000
But what if the key to this
rapid evolution wasn't just

1188
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,440
cultural or technological
progress?

1189
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,760
Terence McKenna offered a
compelling alternative.

1190
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:28,120
In Food of the Gods, McKenna
theorized that certain alkaloids

1191
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,920
and plants, particularly
hallucinogenic compounds like

1192
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:38,240
psilocybin, dimethylotryptamine
or DMT and harmaline, may have

1193
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:42,600
acted as chemical catalyst for
the emergence of human self

1194
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,880
reflection.
Mckenna's hypothesis becomes

1195
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,240
particularly intriguing when
examining fossil records.

1196
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:52,640
Over a span of just 10,000
years, early human brain size

1197
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,840
doubled, a phenomenon
unparalleled in the animal

1198
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:58,600
Kingdom.
This unprecedented growth

1199
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,920
remains one of the greatest
mysteries of human evolution.

1200
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:06,160
This rapid development coincides
with a crucial moment in our

1201
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:09,880
evolutionary history when our
ancestors descended from the

1202
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:14,040
trees, began foraging on the
ground, stood upright, and laid

1203
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,520
the foundation for modern human
societies.

1204
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:20,480
During this time, our ancestors
also encountered something else

1205
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,920
on the ground feces.
While it's a myth that all

1206
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,880
psilocybin mushrooms grow
exclusively on the feces of

1207
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:31,520
grass fed cattle, it's true that
animal dung, particularly from

1208
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,560
herbivores or omnivores, creates
an ideal environment for these

1209
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,920
mushrooms to thrive.
Herbivores that graze on grasses

1210
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,560
containing molds like ergot,
which also possesses

1211
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,560
hallucinogenic properties,
likely contributed to the

1212
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:49,280
proliferation of psilocybin
laced fungi in these

1213
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,760
environments.
Could these mushrooms have

1214
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:55,320
played a role in accelerating
the evolution of the human mind?

1215
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:59,080
McKenna believes so, suggesting
that the psychedelic experiences

1216
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:03,120
they induced may have triggered
profound changes in perception,

1217
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:07,280
self-awareness and creativity,
setting humanity on a unique

1218
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:12,920
evolutionary trajectory.
I wish there was a way to have

1219
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:16,920
so I saw some some news thing
maybe a couple months ago where

1220
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,520
they were talking about like we
might be on the verge of being

1221
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:23,520
able to like record dreams and
actually play them on a screen

1222
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,400
so you could see them in real
time.

1223
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:30,400
If there was a way to take
animals that at 8:00, psilocybin

1224
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:34,360
or whatever to see what sort of
trips they have, I'm sure it'd

1225
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,480
be crazy.
Like it wouldn't just be like,

1226
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,200
yeah, you know, I'm foraging in
the woods and stuff like that.

1227
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,960
I'd be like, I'm foraging and
there's Dragons and all this

1228
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,320
sort of stuff.
Maybe I don't know how much

1229
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:48,960
social influence and and I don't
know pop culture or whatever it

1230
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:53,520
is adds to your trip as far as
what you see while you're

1231
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,360
tripping.
It depends on set and setting,

1232
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,160
to be honest with you, but it
would be interesting enough just

1233
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:02,600
to be able to see what like a
cat sees normally without them

1234
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,960
being on psilocybin, right?
Because different animals are

1235
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:07,800
seeing in different light
spectrums too, right?

1236
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:09,960
So ultraviolet, I always think
about that.

1237
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,520
Like with my cats, I'm like, are
my cats able to see the Wi-Fi

1238
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:14,320
waves?
Are they?

1239
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,200
Because, you know, you ever see
your cat or whatever that

1240
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:17,480
they're staring at the fucking
wall?

1241
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:18,840
You're like, what are you
staring at, dude?

1242
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:20,880
It's like, well, maybe they're
just staring at like the cell

1243
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,280
phone waves bouncing off the
wall or something.

1244
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:27,320
Wouldn't that be a trip, right?
What do you think, Jeremy?

1245
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:32,200
Yeah, that'd be cool.
What?

1246
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,160
I'm going to debate you.
Huh.

1247
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,200
I never seen.
All of my stuff out in the first

1248
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,400
half, we're good.
No, I'm not worried about a

1249
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,280
debate with you.
He's never seen that movie, the

1250
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,000
one we were just talking about.
Jeremy what?

1251
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:47,280
Were you talking about?
We weren't even talking about,

1252
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,200
we weren't listening, we weren't
even paying attention.

1253
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,400
Oh, got him.
Let's let's do this next bit and

1254
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,560
we'll do another giveaway all.
Right.

1255
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:01,240
So good.
Yep, science and thought.

1256
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,880
Throughout history, numerous
trials have been conducted to

1257
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,680
study the effects of
psychedelics on the human mind

1258
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,400
and body.
One notable experiment mentioned

1259
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,800
in Terence Mckenna's Food of the
Gods was conducted by Roland

1260
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:18,680
Fisher in the late 1960s.
Fisher administered small doses

1261
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:22,080
of psilocybin to a group of
graduate students and observed

1262
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,960
their reactions to a visual test
involving parallel lines that

1263
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,920
eventually skewed slightly.
When compared to a control

1264
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:33,439
group, the psilocybin dose
students were able to detect

1265
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,600
detect the deviation far more
quickly.

1266
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,080
McKenna quotes Fisher's
conclusion quote.

1267
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:43,200
What is conclusively proven here
is that under certain

1268
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:46,840
circumstances, 1 is actually
better informed concerning the

1269
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:51,200
real world if one has taken a
drug than if one has not.

1270
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,600
This insight could explain why
our ancient ape ancestors might

1271
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:59,640
have begun consuming psilocybin
contained fungi regularly.

1272
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:04,040
If a small dose could sharpen
perception and enhance awareness

1273
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:07,840
in modern humans, it's
reasonable to imagine similar

1274
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:11,359
benefits for early hominids.
For example, consuming

1275
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:14,880
psilocybin could have aided
hunters and gatherers by by

1276
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:18,920
heightening their ability to
detect subtle changes in their

1277
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:22,880
environment, weather, spotting
potential prey, avoiding

1278
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:27,680
predators, or identifying edible
plants that might otherwise go

1279
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,720
unnoticed.
McKenna referred to this effect

1280
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:35,000
as quote UN quote chemical
binoculars, a well documented

1281
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:40,000
phenomenon of enhanced visual
acuity induced by psychedelics.

1282
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:45,240
The advantages of psilocybin use
likely use likely extended

1283
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:49,000
beyond survival tasks.
Groups of early humans who

1284
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:52,960
adopted this practice may have
been more successful hunters and

1285
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,720
providers, gaining an
evolutionary edge.

1286
01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:59,680
These individuals would have
been more attractive mates,

1287
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,880
passing down both their genes
and our knowledge to subsequent

1288
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,960
generations.
Overtime, those who did not

1289
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:10,040
consume these mushrooms may have
been out competed, leaving the

1290
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,880
mushroom ingesting lineage to
thrive.

1291
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:17,640
Also proposed that psilocybin's
effects varied by dosage, each

1292
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,080
contributing uniquely to the
human development.

1293
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:25,040
Low doses, As mentioned, small
amounts of psilocybin enhanced

1294
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:28,840
awareness and perception, aiding
in hunting, gathering, and tool

1295
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:32,040
usage.
This increased efficiency would

1296
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:34,120
have directly benefited
survival.

1297
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,080
Moderate doses.
Medium doses of psilocybin are

1298
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:42,120
known to induce physical
arousal, potentially increasing

1299
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,920
sex drive.
This could have led to higher

1300
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:48,240
rates of reproduction,
presenting new challenges for

1301
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,720
early human groups.
The need to feed and care for

1302
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:55,880
larger numbers of offspring may
have driven innovation, social

1303
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:59,960
organization, and problem
solving, leading to compounding

1304
01:10:59,960 --> 01:11:04,080
levels of intelligence.
High Doses or large amounts of

1305
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:07,640
psilocybin can trigger intense
hallucinations creating vivid

1306
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,880
real feeling visions.
These experiences could have

1307
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,480
laid the foundation of early
belief systems, myths, religious

1308
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:19,080
ideologies, and countering quote
UN quote otherworldly entities.

1309
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:23,040
Or extreme scenarios in these
hallucinary, hallucinatory

1310
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:26,720
states might have sparked a
sense of spirituality or awe,

1311
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:31,160
shaping the beginnings of human
storytelling, ritual, and

1312
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:34,320
community bonding.
Across all three levels of

1313
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:38,520
psilocybin use, the influence on
early human development would

1314
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:42,000
have been profound.
Enhanced sensory perception,

1315
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:45,880
heightened reproduction, and the
emergence of belief systems

1316
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:49,880
could have driven genetic
diversity, cultural growth, and

1317
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:53,920
stronger social cohesion.
In essence, Mckenna's hypothesis

1318
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:57,400
paints a picture of our quote UN
quote mushroom munching

1319
01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:01,840
ancestors as highly perspective,
sexually prolific, and

1320
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:06,160
innovative early humans.
These traits may have given them

1321
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:10,600
the edge needed to outcompete
others, ultimately laying the

1322
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:15,320
groundwork for modern humanity.
Their use of psilocybin may have

1323
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:19,560
catalyzed the evolution of
intelligence, community and

1324
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:23,840
belief systems, shaping the path
that led to who we are today.

1325
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:28,640
So I want to just kind of speak
to those effects a little bit

1326
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:33,360
because when you do like micro
dosing, you definitely have like

1327
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:38,680
a like a what I would call like
a superhuman enhancement to your

1328
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:43,240
perception, right?
Your visual acuity, you're able

1329
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:47,440
to see colors a lot clearer.
You're able to just like the

1330
01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:50,400
most minute movements you catch
them like you're a fucking

1331
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:51,800
predator.
You know what I mean?

1332
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,680
Like I've I've with this this
more times than I could tell you

1333
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,080
where literally the smallest
little thing catches your

1334
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:59,000
attention when you're on these
micro doses, right.

1335
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:03,120
And then on those medium doses,
yeah, you definitely, you're

1336
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:04,920
trying to get some for sure,
right?

1337
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:07,840
Like, because, because what
happens is like your entire body

1338
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,240
starts to feel enhanced, right?
It goes from just your visual

1339
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:14,400
and like like the on the lower
doses, it's like visual and

1340
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,800
hearing acuity is like just
enhanced, right?

1341
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,480
Your taste is enhanced.
I used to always try to go for a

1342
01:13:19,480 --> 01:13:21,680
Sour Patch Kids.
That was like the the move Sour

1343
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:23,480
Patch Kids and Slurpees from
7:11.

1344
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,160
You.
Re up with those beforehand and

1345
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:30,360
then boom right your low dose
trip is amazing and then yeah

1346
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:33,640
next level is your touch.
Your sense of touch is like

1347
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,520
super enhanced.
So of course you're going to be

1348
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,320
more aroused, right?
Like everything's just going to

1349
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:41,080
feel much better.
And then, yeah, when you get to

1350
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,160
that next level, it's like that
heroic dose, man.

1351
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:47,840
You definitely have those like
spiritual or like super profound

1352
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,040
experiences.
You know, and again, I've said

1353
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:53,480
that before, I can only imagine
if, you know, if you were living

1354
01:13:53,480 --> 01:13:56,520
10,000 years ago in a small
tribe somewhere and you had like

1355
01:13:56,520 --> 01:14:00,640
a heroic dose of something,
whatever, and you came in

1356
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:04,320
contact with what you could only
perceive as some entities of

1357
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:05,600
some kind.
Like you're going to give it a

1358
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,200
name, you're going to start
either worshipping it or fearing

1359
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:11,520
it, and that's going to be a
thing.

1360
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,880
Did you ever trip on psilocybin
and then go do your job?

1361
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:16,120
Yeah.
And do it well.

1362
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,080
Yeah.
Yeah, why'd you?

1363
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:22,920
Doses Why'd I stop What the job
or the psilocybin?

1364
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:27,040
Why'd you stop the psilocybin?
Because for me personally, I get

1365
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,760
the most out of it when I do
like heroic doses.

1366
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:33,720
So for me, it's like a
periodical type thing where I

1367
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,640
like to do it every so often,
kind of like a pilgrimage,

1368
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,040
right?
It's cleansing of the soul is

1369
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,480
the way I look at it.
You know, I have these every

1370
01:14:41,480 --> 01:14:44,880
year or two, a nice trip.
And it makes me like reflect on

1371
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,880
myself super deep and like the
things I'm doing in life.

1372
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:52,480
And usually I do change like
some pretty serious aspects of

1373
01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:56,000
my life when that happens.
So you have to take a high dose.

1374
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,280
Can you work on a high dose?
Depends on what your work is

1375
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:01,440
right now.
No, because I go to people's

1376
01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:06,960
houses and no, fuck no.
Could you hunt on a on a high

1377
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,480
dose?
On a high, yeah, perhaps if you

1378
01:15:09,480 --> 01:15:11,960
were already a if you were a
hunter gatherer, if you're not

1379
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:14,560
just a professional hunter, but
if that's what you did day in

1380
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:18,720
and day out just to survive like
you haunted to to eat and you

1381
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:20,880
went out there on like a medium
to a high dose.

1382
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,560
Yeah, I think you could
probably, you probably do a hell

1383
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:25,960
of a good job because here's
another thing that happens.

1384
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:27,040
Yeah.
Well.

1385
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:28,040
Here's something that don't
happen.

1386
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:30,520
Yes.
Listen, no, no, that doesn't

1387
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,280
happen.
First of all, I want to clear

1388
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,320
that the air on that when you
take psilocybin mushrooms, you

1389
01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:37,800
don't necessarily see things
that don't exist unless you're

1390
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,480
on such a high dose that you're
almost out, right?

1391
01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:44,880
Like, you know, you're laying
there dreaming, daydreaming, if

1392
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,240
you will.
OK, if you're on that dose,

1393
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:49,160
yeah, you're not hunting.
But if you're on anything less

1394
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:52,840
than that, not only is your
vision on point, your hearings

1395
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:56,120
on point, but you also have
like, the amphetamine effect,

1396
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:58,000
right?
Where you, you have energy to do

1397
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,160
things.
So I'll give you an example,

1398
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,920
right?
Like on 419, which is a holiday

1399
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:05,800
for a lot of people who like to
take LSD because with Albert

1400
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,760
Hoffman, is that the guy's name
who invented LSD, apparently

1401
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,960
invents this shit on accident.
And he rides his bike home after

1402
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,480
he doses himself in the
laboratory, right.

1403
01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:17,240
So he's tripping on LSD, an
unknown dose.

1404
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:19,280
Yeah, an unknown dose.
Nobody even knows, right?

1405
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,280
Could have been a lot and he
rides his bike home.

1406
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,480
So on 4/19, a lot of people like
to ride their bikes on on LSD.

1407
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:29,920
So I've done this and every time
that you do this, you keep going

1408
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,200
because when you get off the
bike, let's say you ride for 30

1409
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:34,240
minutes to an hour, right?
And you're like, man, my legs

1410
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:36,600
are sore, my ass hurts.
You get off the bike and you

1411
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,880
stop and you're like, this
doesn't feel right, right.

1412
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:43,080
Like the motion that I was doing
for the last 30 minutes to an

1413
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,200
hour, like I kind of need to
keep doing that right?

1414
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,880
It's called the loop.
You get like this amphetamine

1415
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:51,320
type energy where like you, you
will keep going for the duration

1416
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:53,280
of your trip.
You're not going to sleep for

1417
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:56,200
the 8/10/12 hours that you're on
any of these things.

1418
01:16:56,440 --> 01:16:58,240
You will keep going.
So yeah, if you're out there

1419
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:02,280
hunting, you're super aware,
super alert, and your your

1420
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:04,760
energy levels are spiked the
whole time.

1421
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:06,880
So yeah, you're going to get
something.

1422
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:15,000
Question I had, it was like, you
know, if I were to high dose and

1423
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:19,120
just sit in my chair and just
play music, you know, play some

1424
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:23,120
tool or whatever it was and you
know, look at look at something

1425
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:27,440
crazy on the wall or whatever.
Be a totally different

1426
01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:32,200
experience from somebody who was
high dosing and then also having

1427
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:35,400
to do with super predators that
would drag you out of your Hut

1428
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:38,160
and eat while you're still alive
type stuff.

1429
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,960
And so I was curious, you know,
because I've never done that.

1430
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:45,360
I don't plan to because God
knows I don't need another

1431
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,680
problem.
You know, I don't, I don't need

1432
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:52,680
another, another thing, right?
But like, what is the, I don't

1433
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:56,800
know, the level of awareness,
the I don't know, I think I seem

1434
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:01,000
to mix these drugs up sometimes.
Like what causes monster

1435
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:05,120
hallucinations where if you're
having a bad day and suddenly

1436
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:10,480
the spiders are coming for you
versus just like everything is

1437
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:14,200
the same except this way up
here, right?

1438
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,160
It's like you said, heightened
hearing, heightened senses,

1439
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:20,320
heightened sight, whatever it
was target acquisition, you

1440
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:23,480
know, things like that.
I've seen stuff that doesn't

1441
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,080
that wasn't there in the room
with me.

1442
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:27,840
But usually that's again, like,
you know, I close my eyes,

1443
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:29,560
right?
Like you, you get into these

1444
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,440
modes even on like medium doses
of psilocybin, right?

1445
01:18:32,440 --> 01:18:35,840
If you go in a dark room and you
know, maybe you just have music

1446
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:37,960
on or not, you're just silent in
a dark room.

1447
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:40,360
You just lay there with your
eyes closed.

1448
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,160
You're going to have, you're
going to fall into like a sleep

1449
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:46,280
state, like a dream state.
You're going to like see shit

1450
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:48,320
that's not there because you're
dreaming, right?

1451
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,760
Like you're going to see
whatever Dragons and fucking

1452
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:54,080
unicorns or whatever your
imagination can conjure up in

1453
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:58,280
this, in the state eyes open as
well, but you're not seeing it

1454
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:00,720
literally like in the room with
you, if that makes sense.

1455
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:03,320
It's just it's no different than
you daydreaming, except you can

1456
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:07,120
really fall into that trance of
that Daydream and kind of really

1457
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:10,960
almost, let's say astral project
your way into that that realm

1458
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:14,120
when you're tripping, right?
But it's not there in the room

1459
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:17,560
with you so much as you're in
that realm with it, if that

1460
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:20,040
makes sense.
Right Now what you do see a lot

1461
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:22,640
is, for instance, music.
If you have like a good

1462
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:25,920
subwoofer in your house and you
got some music going, you know,

1463
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:29,920
I've seen colors vibrating
across the white walls, right?

1464
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:32,920
Like like wave patterns of
different colors based off the

1465
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:34,760
notes.
And as the notes go lower,

1466
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:39,000
right, you would see a more like
red shift to the wave pattern.

1467
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:42,000
And as the notes were higher and
with the melodies, the bass like

1468
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:45,280
the whole thing, I've seen that
ripple across the walls, which

1469
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,520
is actually happening.
So it's not like you're seeing

1470
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:49,800
something that's not there.
Again, this is just the veil

1471
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,120
being lifted, the filter being
removed, and you're seeing.

1472
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:57,480
Reality the the more enhanced
version of us, essentially.

1473
01:19:58,160 --> 01:19:59,280
Right.
And then, you know, when you

1474
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:01,960
have the enhanced acuity with
your vision and these types of

1475
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,280
things, this is going back to
what Jeremy was talking about in

1476
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:08,040
the presentation, right?
You're going to hyper focus and

1477
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:11,480
fixate on little things as well.
When when you get stuck in the

1478
01:20:11,480 --> 01:20:14,440
loop, right?
When you have that endless

1479
01:20:14,440 --> 01:20:15,680
thing.
So let's say you're sitting

1480
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:19,160
there weaving a basket, right,
for your tribe, right?

1481
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:23,160
And you, you're on these
psilocybin mushrooms like you're

1482
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:25,960
going to weave.
The best fucking basket dude.

1483
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:28,040
And not only that, you're
probably going to weave like 10

1484
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:30,880
of them, right one for everybody
and then you know what I mean

1485
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:32,480
like and then you're going to
start with and then tomorrow

1486
01:20:32,480 --> 01:20:35,000
you're going to weave fucking
rugs for everybody's hot man.

1487
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:38,280
And like this.
I think this is part of how like

1488
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:41,720
the the women of these tribes
were able to like get so much

1489
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:44,760
shit done while the men were out
also getting so much shit done

1490
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,280
at the same time as because they
were just consuming these

1491
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:49,680
mushrooms like as part of their
diet, right.

1492
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:54,360
I don't think for most of them
it was like super known or like

1493
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:56,960
special.
It was just like we eat these

1494
01:20:57,240 --> 01:21:00,800
and also we're good at shit.
We get shit done around here,

1495
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:02,040
right?
I don't think that they really

1496
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:05,320
connected the two.
I think the shamans of the

1497
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:10,880
societies knew the secret and
they when they mixed their brews

1498
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:14,000
and shit, like they knew exactly
what they were doing and that's

1499
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,480
how they were able to kind of
like, you know, do their thing.

1500
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:17,480
But.
Well, they were the ones that

1501
01:21:17,480 --> 01:21:20,440
were all the time.
The regular schmucks were just

1502
01:21:20,440 --> 01:21:23,400
put mushrooms in the salads bro.
And like they were just, you

1503
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:26,080
know.
So how would that they then go

1504
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:32,080
from trips to consciousness, the
awareness of I'm me and I'm

1505
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,480
here?
Because of the self reflection

1506
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:39,040
part right now I don't know how
this would happen to like a pre

1507
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:42,640
human human, but for a human
what happens is you do really

1508
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:46,880
reflect on yourself a lot.
There's a lot of like self, you

1509
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:48,920
know, This is why they say don't
look at yourself in the mirror

1510
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:50,800
when you're tripping, bro,
Because like, you'll get sucked

1511
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:52,600
in, right?
You start to analyze yourself

1512
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:55,280
like super deep because you can
actually see yourself now, not

1513
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:56,680
just think about yourself,
right?

1514
01:21:56,680 --> 01:22:00,160
And This is why people who go
down to Mexico and take like

1515
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:03,040
ibogaine, like they quit these
addictions, even if they weren't

1516
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,600
there to quit the addictions to
begin with, right?

1517
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,320
Like they still come back and
they're like, I don't even want

1518
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,800
to drink alcohol.
Like Shawn Ryan, like 2 years

1519
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:12,360
sober and all that stuff, yeah.
Right and he didn't even go down

1520
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:15,360
there for that right?
He he didn't even think he had a

1521
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:18,240
problem, Right.
But something happens when

1522
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:21,040
you're in that realm where you
just really think about

1523
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:22,480
everything.
You think about the shit you

1524
01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:25,480
said to that kid in 3rd grade.
And then you think about like,

1525
01:22:25,480 --> 01:22:28,440
how you're, you know, you're
fucking up your life because

1526
01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:31,080
you're drinking every day or
smoking pot every day or

1527
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:33,560
whatever The thing is.
And you just start to change.

1528
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:34,720
Whatever happens.
I don't know.

1529
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:36,880
It's just you wake up from a
dream and you're like, oh, shit,

1530
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:39,280
I need to change that.
Yeah.

1531
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:41,680
I think that could lead into,
like, consciousness, if you

1532
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:42,280
will.
Right.

1533
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:43,680
Yeah.
Are we doing a thing?

1534
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:44,840
Yeah.
Let me the wheel.

1535
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:47,120
Do the thing.
Forgot that I have to do this.

1536
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:52,280
Share this wheel of names wheel
of names shit.

1537
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:53,640
Who's getting a free shirt?
My.

1538
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:55,240
Gosh, you got to be fucking
kidding me.

1539
01:22:55,640 --> 01:23:00,200
Oh.
Wollens, so far I don't have to

1540
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:03,720
pay for shipping.
All right, you guys ready to

1541
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:05,920
move on?
Congrats, Wollens.

1542
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:10,720
All right, hallucinogens.
In Food of the Gods, Terence

1543
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:14,920
McKenna proposes that the true
missing link in human evolution

1544
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:19,400
may not be a physical skeleton
of an intermediate species, but

1545
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:22,680
rather a compound with
hallucinogenic properties.

1546
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:26,640
He suggests that specific
psychoactive substances,

1547
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:32,120
particularly the Endoli
hallucinogens, played a pivotal

1548
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:35,720
role in shaping human self
reflection and consciousness,

1549
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:38,160
Kenna writes.
Quite a particular family of

1550
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:43,960
active compounds, the Endoli
hallucinogens, placed a decisive

1551
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,960
role in the emergence of our
essential humanness.

1552
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:51,280
McKenna outlines four families
of hallucinogens that could have

1553
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:54,240
driven these transformative
advancements.

1554
01:23:55,160 --> 01:24:00,400
LSD type compounds Though rare
in nature, LSD type compounds,

1555
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:05,640
mostly most notably lysageric
acid diethylamide, have

1556
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:11,160
demonstrated profound effects on
cognition beyond recreational

1557
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:14,680
and experimental use.
These compounds can enhance

1558
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:18,000
thought speed, improve the
ability to process complex

1559
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,880
behaviors, and facilitate
understanding of intricate

1560
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:25,920
decision making networks.
LSD also holds therapeutic

1561
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:30,240
value, particularly in
psychotherapy and treatment of

1562
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:33,600
alcoholism.
However, due to the scarcity of

1563
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:37,360
natural sources containing LSD
type compounds, McKenna

1564
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:40,880
ultimately rules them out as
contributing to early human

1565
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:46,640
evolution. 2 Tryptamine
hallucinogens This group

1566
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:51,120
includes silicon, psilocybin,
and DMT.

1567
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:56,320
Silicon and psilocybin are
primarily found in fungi, while

1568
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:59,840
DMT is naturally produced in the
human brain and believed to be

1569
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:04,080
released during death.
DMT is renowned for inducing

1570
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:07,160
profound and visually
spectacular hallucinis

1571
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:11,560
hallucinations often described
as intense spiritual

1572
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:15,600
experiences.
Of these, psilocybin and silicin

1573
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:19,400
are of particular interest as
they occur naturally in

1574
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:23,520
mushrooms, making them readily
available to early humans in the

1575
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:30,040
African grasslands. 3 Beta
carbolines Harmine and

1576
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:34,320
harmoline, two key beta
carbolines, are the primary

1577
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:39,040
psychoactive compounds in the
South American ceremonial drink

1578
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:42,520
ayahuasca.
This brew is traditionally used

1579
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:46,120
for spiritual healing,
divination, and extended

1580
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:51,960
visionary experiences.
Beta carbolines also act as Mao

1581
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:56,600
inhibitors, enhancing the
effects of DMT and enabling a

1582
01:25:56,640 --> 01:26:00,720
longer, deeper experience.
However, these compounds are

1583
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:03,600
native to South America, and
we're not available in the

1584
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:07,600
African grasslands during the
period of early human evolution,

1585
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:10,320
making them an unlikely
candidate.

1586
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:18,720
I have a game derived from the
Tabernathy or Taber Avernon

1587
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:22,280
Montana tree in Africa and South
America.

1588
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:28,320
Ibogaine is both a potent
aphrodisiac and a hallucinogen

1589
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,560
in higher doses.
While it's African origins might

1590
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:35,240
suggest its relevance, McKenna
eliminates it as a potential

1591
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:39,760
catalyst for human evolution due
to its association with trees

1592
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:43,320
rather than the grasslands where
early proto humans lived.

1593
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:46,400
Additionally, there is no
evidence that it was widely used

1594
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:50,080
before the 19 century.
In chapter 3 of Food of the

1595
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,440
Gods, McKenna attempts to
identify the specific

1596
01:26:53,440 --> 01:26:57,080
hallucinogen responsible for
humanity's cognitive leap.

1597
01:26:57,200 --> 01:27:00,040
By a progress process of
elimination.

1598
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:02,720
He sets forth the following
criteria.

1599
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:09,080
One, the compound must originate
in Africa. 2 It must be native

1600
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:14,400
to the grasslands where early
humans were located. 3 It must

1601
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:21,600
require no preparation and be
consumed in its raw form. 4 It

1602
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:25,960
must have been readily
available. 5 The benefits must

1603
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:29,680
be immediate and tangible,
making them recognizable even to

1604
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:33,440
a primitive ape.
Using these parameters, McKenna

1605
01:27:33,440 --> 01:27:37,080
systematically ruled out each
family of hallucinogens until

1606
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:40,640
only one remains.
Iwogaine disqualified for its

1607
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:44,640
tree based origins, making it
unlikely to have been accessible

1608
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:46,640
to proto humans living in
grasslands.

1609
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:50,160
Additionally, its use was not
documented until much later.

1610
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:54,760
LSD type compounds excluded due
to the absence of any plants in

1611
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:59,600
Africa known to contain LSD like
substances and beta carbulenes

1612
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:03,080
ruled out because they are
exclusive to South America, far

1613
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:07,520
removed from early human habitat
habitats in Africa.

1614
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:12,600
This leaves the tryptamine
hallucinogen, specifically

1615
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:17,280
psilocybin and silicon as the
most plausible candidates and

1616
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:20,840
kind of focuses on psilocybin
containing mushrooms which

1617
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:24,040
thrive in feces rich
environments, a common feature

1618
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:27,800
of the African grasslands during
the period of early human

1619
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:31,320
evolution.
Among these, psilocybin

1620
01:28:31,480 --> 01:28:36,520
cubanesis, also known as
Straforia cubanesis or magic

1621
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:40,400
mushrooms, stands out as a
primary species containing

1622
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:44,400
psilocybin.
Psilocybin's effects, enhanced

1623
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:48,680
visual acuity, heightened
awareness, and the promotion of

1624
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:52,080
social cohesion would have
offered immediate survival

1625
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:55,840
advantages for early humans.
These benefits could have

1626
01:28:55,840 --> 01:29:00,680
translated into better hunting,
improved foraging, and stronger

1627
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:04,120
group bonds, ultimately
accelerating cognitive

1628
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:06,640
development.
By meeting all the outline

1629
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:11,120
criteria, psilocybin containing
mushrooms emerge as Mckenna's

1630
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:14,480
leading candidate for the
hallucinogenic catalyst that

1631
01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:17,720
spurred the rapid evolution of
human consciousness.

1632
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:22,080
This quote UN quote missing link
may not be a fossil, but a

1633
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:25,760
fungus, one that profoundly
shaped the course of human

1634
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:27,920
history.
Done well, not done.

1635
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:29,760
Done but done but that.
Done.

1636
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:34,000
Yep, I'm with it.
I love Terence.

1637
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:35,800
Terence is my spirit animal
dude.

1638
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:39,560
I love Terence McKenna.
If you love him so much, maybe

1639
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:42,240
you should marry him.
I would if he wasn't dead.

1640
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:45,840
Well, make him undead and then
marry him.

1641
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:50,440
Yeah, maybe I will.
Just make him undead.

1642
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:53,520
Yeah, easy.
Using psilocybin though, you

1643
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:56,280
have to do that.
Yeah, that's the way he would

1644
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:59,800
want to come back.
Yes, and the Frankenstein

1645
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:02,720
technique of shocking him with a
lightning bolt.

1646
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:05,880
Well, we're almost two hours in,
so I'm just going to jump into

1647
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:09,760
the next bit.
We still have, we have this one

1648
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:14,880
and we have two shorter ones,
Medical.

1649
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:18,400
What is it about magic
mushrooms, specifically their

1650
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:22,240
active compound psilocybin, that
makes them such a compelling

1651
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:25,440
candidate as a catalyst for the
rapid advancement of human

1652
01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:29,360
consciousness and intelligence?
Research offers intriguing

1653
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:31,920
clues.
According to Psychology Today,

1654
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:35,080
doctor Charles Grob from the
University of California, Los

1655
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:38,960
Angeles and colleagues conducted
a study in the early 90s

1656
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:43,000
exploring the effects of regular
ayahuasca use in Brazil.

1657
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:46,920
They found that individuals who
consumed ayahuasca regularly

1658
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:50,440
scored significantly higher on
neuropsychological tests

1659
01:30:50,440 --> 01:30:55,280
compared to non users.
Additionally, Dr. Rafael dos

1660
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:59,080
Santos, also from Brazil,
discovered that ayahuasca

1661
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:03,760
increases the thickness of the
anterior cingulate cortex, a

1662
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:08,160
critical brain region associated
with cognition and emotion.

1663
01:31:08,480 --> 01:31:12,360
As noted in Psychiatry Online,
this part of the brain is

1664
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:16,080
essential for solving problems
and navigating the social world.

1665
01:31:16,480 --> 01:31:21,280
A thicker anterior cingulate
cortex enhances emotional

1666
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:25,720
regulation, autonomicon
integration, and pain

1667
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:28,480
perception.
If psilocybin mushrooms became a

1668
01:31:28,480 --> 01:31:32,920
cultural staple among our early
ape ancestors, regular

1669
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:36,640
consumption over generations
could have triggered a similar

1670
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:41,640
enlargement of the anterior
cingulate cortex, potentially

1671
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:44,600
accelerating cognitive and
emotional development.

1672
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:48,760
The practice of consuming
hallucinogens is well documented

1673
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:53,440
in many indigenous cultures
worldwide, suggesting that such

1674
01:31:53,440 --> 01:31:55,840
traditions may have ancient
roots.

1675
01:31:56,840 --> 01:32:00,560
Modern research also highlights
the therapeutic benefits of

1676
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:04,200
psychedelics, which may shed
light on their evolutionary

1677
01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:07,160
advantages.
As Psychology Today explains,

1678
01:32:07,440 --> 01:32:12,000
controlled psychedelic use
fosters mindfulness and quote UN

1679
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:16,120
quote decentering the ability to
observe thoughts and emotions

1680
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:20,200
without the over identifying
with them, without over

1681
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:23,600
identifying with them.
This heightened self-awareness

1682
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:27,720
enables more nuanced social
interactions and enhances

1683
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:30,800
cultural learning.
Many therapeutic approaches

1684
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:34,960
today, such as cognitive
behavioral therapy or CBT, and

1685
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:41,680
DIAL Dialectical dialectical
behavioral therapy, or DBT,

1686
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:45,680
incorporate mindfulness and
decentering principles to

1687
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:49,520
improve mental health outcomes
under supervised conditions.

1688
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:53,000
Psychedelics have been shown to
enhance cognitive functions such

1689
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:57,080
as processing speed, memory,
creativity, and problem solving.

1690
01:32:57,320 --> 01:33:00,040
These properties have led to the
development of a class of

1691
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:03,680
medicines called
psychoplastogens, which rapidly

1692
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:07,200
induce neuroplasticity after a
single dose.

1693
01:33:07,440 --> 01:33:12,120
According to Psychology Today,
psychoplastogens trigger several

1694
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:16,040
critical changes in brain
function, including

1695
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:21,400
neurogenesis, or the growth of
new neurons, snaptogenesis, the

1696
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:24,360
formation of new connections
between these neurons,

1697
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:29,800
remyelination, the repair of
myelin, the insulating layer

1698
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:34,520
around neurons, and activation
of silent synapsis, turning

1699
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:38,200
previously inactive synapses
into functional ones.

1700
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:42,000
Psilocybin, in particular,
mimics serotonin in the brain,

1701
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:46,200
acting as a neurotransmitter
that directly stimulates

1702
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:49,480
neurogenesis.
This process not only promotes

1703
01:33:49,480 --> 01:33:52,960
the formation of new neural
pathways but also helps

1704
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:59,000
alleviate extreme fear and PTSD,
fostering courage and empathy,

1705
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:03,520
qualities vital for leadership
and social cohesion.

1706
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:08,080
Now imagine these effects in the
context of our early ancestors.

1707
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:10,880
Could the consumption of these
psilocybin mushrooms have

1708
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:13,760
enhanced their cognitive
abilities, emotional regulation,

1709
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:17,640
and social bonds?
Did these magic mushrooms play a

1710
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:21,360
role in developing traits like
leadership, cooperation, and

1711
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:24,160
innovation?
When we reflect on the behavior

1712
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:28,240
of our feces loving ape
ancestors and the transformative

1713
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:32,920
potential of psilocybin, we're
left to wonder, is this how it

1714
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:34,720
all began?
What happened to Jake?

1715
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:37,120
I think he got naked.
Well, no, he would have got

1716
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:38,320
naked.
You would have been out too.

1717
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:40,360
So he didn't get naked.
Jake.

1718
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:43,240
Might have been a smaller
Tomahawk cruise missile.

1719
01:34:43,480 --> 01:34:46,160
You might have heard that though
you're close enough so maybe it

1720
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:50,880
was more like a bunker Buster.
No explosive, just high velocity

1721
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:53,160
impact round there.
There he is.

1722
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:54,800
There's got to be a different
way, man.

1723
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:58,720
I touch the cable on the back of
my mic and it kicks me out.

1724
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:00,720
Like there's got to be a better
way than this.

1725
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:06,600
So the problem.
That I have is from what we can

1726
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:12,240
see in primates these days is
that there is a leader, right?

1727
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:18,240
And any, any amount of rising up
or trying to become a better

1728
01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:21,840
leader than the leader that's
already installed leads to

1729
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:25,400
horrible interactions of
dominance and fighting and all

1730
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:28,440
that sort of stuff.
So not everyone could have been

1731
01:35:28,440 --> 01:35:33,800
on psilocybin if it creates this
leadership role in a person,

1732
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:36,120
right?
They would have had to have been

1733
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:40,600
beta males and AA males or else
they would have been kicked out

1734
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:43,680
of the tribes and gone to to
screw off somewhere else.

1735
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:47,480
Which I guess could be possible,
but still it's the same way.

1736
01:35:47,480 --> 01:35:50,720
Like in your work center, if
you're the supervisor, right?

1737
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:54,280
You're the alpha male and you
have another alpha male

1738
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:57,800
underneath you.
It causes conflict unless they

1739
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:02,840
just assume the role of I am not
the alpha because I am working

1740
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:06,120
below this individual.
There's going to be conflict the

1741
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:09,800
entire time until someone gets
fired right and kicked out of

1742
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:10,880
the tribe.
Essentially.

1743
01:36:11,480 --> 01:36:15,160
It'd be the same way Not
everyone could be taking

1744
01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:20,920
psilocybin and getting this, you
know, I'm the leader sort of

1745
01:36:21,480 --> 01:36:27,640
personality on them, whether it
was male or female and have a a

1746
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:30,240
functioning.
Well, that doesn't happen.

1747
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:33,760
That that works together, right?
That doesn't happen.

1748
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:36,360
The ego goes away when you're
when you're hallucinating.

1749
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:40,680
So the the alpha aspect it it
goes away.

1750
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:41,840
Well, that's what they're
saying.

1751
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:43,880
It it that that's what it
spawns.

1752
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:48,400
They're saying psilocybin spawns
a leadership type quality.

1753
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:52,360
So that means that either
they're wrong or you're wrong.

1754
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:55,600
No, perhaps.
But I don't think necessarily in

1755
01:36:55,600 --> 01:37:00,360
the like alpha versus alpha
sense, like societal control,

1756
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:04,800
like, you know, I, I don't think
in that sense necessarily

1757
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:08,080
because at least for me, in my
experience, like the ego pretty

1758
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:11,080
much goes away.
You know, it, it becomes more,

1759
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:15,920
if I had to, if I had to
describe leadership somehow in

1760
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:23,560
that state, it'd be more so like
you're more charismatic and, you

1761
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:29,400
know, open to communicating and
like, I don't know, maybe more

1762
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:31,880
convincing.
I guess you might be able to tap

1763
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:34,960
into some deeper layer of
personability.

1764
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:37,880
Would it be different from
Someone Like You who's already

1765
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:41,440
conscious and self aware versus
an animal who isn't?

1766
01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:44,360
Could be, yeah.
I mean, I don't know, I said

1767
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:47,000
that before, right?
I don't know how pre human

1768
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:50,920
humans or whatever, however you
want to phrase that would have

1769
01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:53,920
reacted to this, but I just
don't necessarily ever

1770
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:59,160
experience any type of ego trip
or like, you know, alpha threat,

1771
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:02,040
you know, and I've done these
types of things with other

1772
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:06,120
dudes, so.
Other dudes you say?

1773
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:10,320
Yeah, not not.
Like in a hot room where y'all

1774
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:12,960
are stripped down and you're
just like, let's take some

1775
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:15,400
mushrooms.
Nope, not in those type of

1776
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:17,920
situations.
The best situation I can tell

1777
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:19,760
it's set in setting is
everything right?

1778
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:22,000
If you sit in your room because
your room is the most

1779
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:24,760
comfortable place, right?
And even in your house, I would

1780
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:27,640
imagine your room or whatever is
your most comfortable room in

1781
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:30,160
your house.
And you put on Genesis, you put

1782
01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:34,760
on Genesis live on YouTube,
Genesis live 1973, I think

1783
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:38,520
19721973 Genesis live with Peter
Gabriel.

1784
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:41,880
And you watch that on repeat on,
on psilocybin.

1785
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:44,240
You will have the greatest night
of your life.

1786
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:46,120
You're welcome.
Why?

1787
01:38:47,440 --> 01:38:51,640
'Cause it's just an amazing live
set and you just get so hyper

1788
01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:55,880
focused and like you understand
what they were writing and what

1789
01:38:55,880 --> 01:39:00,800
they were performing and of all
of the music and entertainment

1790
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:03,520
and laser shows and all the
random shit that I've watched,

1791
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:08,480
that was like the one that was
the one, it hit different.

1792
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:10,760
Nah, dude.
Tool letter Alice.

1793
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:14,520
That's a good one too.
It sounds.

1794
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:16,160
I've done that too.
And balls.

1795
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:18,280
I've done that too.
That's a good one too.

1796
01:39:18,280 --> 01:39:20,680
But that's that's deep, man.
And there's like some dark

1797
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:24,760
undertones to that and like
it's, it's kind of worse, but

1798
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:26,320
you can just.
Live, though, you can do his

1799
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:27,440
stuff.
Perfect circle.

1800
01:39:27,440 --> 01:39:29,880
And he's talking about he just
hates God.

1801
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:31,960
And it comes out in that song,
Judith.

1802
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:34,160
I mean, it just, it's apparent,
right?

1803
01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:38,480
So yeah, I know there's deep
dark undertones and stuff.

1804
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:40,880
Oh.
Yeah, Genesee fly was fun, if we

1805
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:41,960
all.
Just kind of tripped on

1806
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:45,880
psilocybin dips listening to
music the whole time.

1807
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:47,840
This is tripping our balls off,
isn't?

1808
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:50,920
That what we're doing right now?
Is that the only one?

1809
01:39:51,320 --> 01:39:53,720
No, you're the only one.
I got our mouth all the time.

1810
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:54,720
Nicotine.
That's it are.

1811
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:57,600
You guys ready?
I'm just going to knock out

1812
01:39:57,600 --> 01:39:59,920
these last two.
Let's get it over with, bet.

1813
01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:03,800
And then we'll do the last
giveaway in this history.

1814
01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:09,720
In the southern Sahara Desert
with Algeria's Tassili Najer

1815
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:14,480
Plateau lies a treasure trove of
ancient artwork etched into the

1816
01:40:14,480 --> 01:40:18,040
sheer rock walls.
These Neolithic era paintings,

1817
01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:24,320
dating back to between 10,000 BC
and 2000 BC, provides some of

1818
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:27,520
the earliest visual evidence of
humanity's interaction with

1819
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:31,920
hallucinogenic substances.
The artwork vividly portrays

1820
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:35,800
figures, believed to be shamans,
engage in ritualistic dances

1821
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:39,360
holding clusters of mushrooms.
Mushrooms are prominently

1822
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:43,280
featured in these scenes, not
only as objects in their hands

1823
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:46,160
but also depicted in the
surrounding environment and even

1824
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:48,800
appearing to emerge from the
bodies of the figures.

1825
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:52,160
Adding to the mystique are the
geometric patterns and abstract

1826
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:55,760
shapes interwoven with the
imagery, suggesting that the

1827
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:59,040
artist may have been depicting
the visual distortions and

1828
01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:02,480
hallucinogens brought on by
psilocybin use.

1829
01:41:02,480 --> 01:41:06,080
These depictions beg to
question, how far back does the

1830
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:09,320
human relationship with
psilocybin mushrooms truly

1831
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:13,640
extend and when did these
enigmatic fungi first begin

1832
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:16,240
influencing the minds of proto
humans?

1833
01:41:17,480 --> 01:41:20,040
Science.
Paul Stamets, a renowned

1834
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:24,800
mycologist, sheds light on the
ancient history of fungi though

1835
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:27,640
through fascinating fossil
discoveries.

1836
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:31,440
In a southern African lava bed,
scientists found evidence of

1837
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:36,280
mycelium filled mushrooms fused
with hardened lava dating back

1838
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:41,000
an astounding 2.4 billion years.
On the Joe Rogan Experience

1839
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:45,000
podcast, and it's highlighted
that the earliest known

1840
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:49,760
multicellular Organism in the
fossil record is a fully intact

1841
01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:54,360
fossilized fungus from 1.4
billion years ago.

1842
01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:59,080
Stamets also explained that
animals and fungi share a common

1843
01:41:59,080 --> 01:42:03,920
ancestor and diverge around 650
million years ago.

1844
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:07,600
This means fungi in their
current physical form have

1845
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:12,040
existed 1.75 billion years
longer than animals have been

1846
01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:15,520
distinct from them.
These insights aligned with

1847
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:19,960
finding reported findings
reported in a Discover magazine

1848
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:24,800
article November 2004, where
microbiologist Mitchell Sogan

1849
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:28,720
explored the evolutionary ties
between animals and fungi.

1850
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:32,520
When asked whether humans could
be seen as a highly evolved

1851
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:36,280
mushroom, Sogan remarked.
I'd say we share a common,

1852
01:42:36,280 --> 01:42:38,400
unique evolutionary history with
fungi.

1853
01:42:38,480 --> 01:42:42,360
There are there was a single
ancestral group of organisms and

1854
01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:45,880
some split off to become fungi
and some split off to become

1855
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:48,280
animals.
This raises intriguing

1856
01:42:48,280 --> 01:42:51,200
questions.
Are humans in a way in evolved

1857
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:55,120
form of fungi?
And if fungi are so ancient,

1858
01:42:55,120 --> 01:42:59,040
could they possess intelligence
or even a form of consciousness?

1859
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:03,160
Hints of fungal intelligence can
be observed in experiments like

1860
01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:08,080
1 conducted in Japan in 2010.
Scientists arranged oats to

1861
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:11,840
represent the location of major
cities around Tokyo, for the

1862
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:17,800
city of Tokyo itself symbolized
by a piece of oat covered in the

1863
01:43:17,800 --> 01:43:23,680
slime mold Ferrousum
polycephalum, a type of

1864
01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:26,440
filamentous multicellular
fungus.

1865
01:43:26,440 --> 01:43:30,440
Once the slime mold was placed
on the oat representing Tokyo,

1866
01:43:31,440 --> 01:43:35,560
it began to grow, connecting to
the surrounding oats over 28

1867
01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:38,720
hours.
Astonishingly, the slime mold

1868
01:43:38,720 --> 01:43:42,800
constructed pathways that were
more efficient than the actual

1869
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:47,320
Tokyo railway system in terms of
cost, travel time, and

1870
01:43:47,320 --> 01:43:51,520
resilience to disruptions.
Even without a brain or nervous

1871
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:54,480
system, the slime mold
demonstrated cellular

1872
01:43:54,480 --> 01:43:58,920
intelligence that outperformed
human engineered transportation

1873
01:43:58,920 --> 01:44:01,720
networks.
These findings hint at the

1874
01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:05,680
remarkable problem solving
abilities of fungi and their

1875
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:09,680
potential for intelligence, even
the absence of a traditional

1876
01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:12,480
brain.
Could fungi hold secrets to

1877
01:44:12,480 --> 01:44:16,240
understanding the roots of
consciousness or intelligence in

1878
01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:17,160
life?
And that's it.

1879
01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:19,280
Yeah, I think that's super
interesting.

1880
01:44:20,280 --> 01:44:21,600
How do you think it's
interesting?

1881
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:24,240
What'd you say?
I said.

1882
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:28,040
I also think it's interesting.
I'm going to try to bring this

1883
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:32,440
up because I I went down a deep
rabbit hole with with this.

1884
01:44:32,840 --> 01:44:34,960
Yeah, I'll just nutshell that
for anybody who might have just

1885
01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:37,880
like kind of didn't grasp all
what he was just saying.

1886
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:42,560
Essentially, they in Tokyo, they
took fungus and they allowed it

1887
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:44,960
to what was it, the subway
system.

1888
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:47,880
Yeah.
So here I'm going to share this

1889
01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:50,680
real quick.
They like replicated the sub the

1890
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:55,920
the fungi created like a better
version of the subway system,

1891
01:44:56,480 --> 01:44:58,760
like mapped out like the way
that it was or whatever.

1892
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:01,720
How this shit is intelligence
man?

1893
01:45:01,960 --> 01:45:05,640
Here you go, there's so key.
Here that is like bridging

1894
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:07,680
that's.
Probably.

1895
01:45:07,960 --> 01:45:09,800
This is probably the best one,
right?

1896
01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:14,480
So what they did was they put
oats on each one of these little

1897
01:45:14,480 --> 01:45:19,040
towns or cities that the subway
system went to, right, right.

1898
01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:23,240
So one of them was Tokyo, which
I believe was like right in this

1899
01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:27,120
area.
And this is the, the Tokyo

1900
01:45:27,960 --> 01:45:32,480
network, the, the, the, the
railway network that they use.

1901
01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:43,080
And then when the mold moved to
get the oat from the Tokyo spot,

1902
01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:45,520
that which is seen right here,
you can see this guy right here.

1903
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:51,480
This is kind of it moving out.
It created a better system for

1904
01:45:51,480 --> 01:45:56,160
the railway system than what
human engineers were able to do.

1905
01:45:56,440 --> 01:46:00,960
That's not more pricing though,
because pathway the mold, as it

1906
01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:05,480
grows and expands, it doesn't
need to go from place to place

1907
01:46:05,480 --> 01:46:10,560
to place because it's
translating with its own mold

1908
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:12,600
body or whatever, right.
It's yeah, yeah.

1909
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:16,560
One classic.
Exact, like it's like a tree

1910
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:20,320
root system.
The tree roots don't have to

1911
01:46:20,680 --> 01:46:26,000
branch from one stem to another
stem across because it's all

1912
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:30,200
feeding into the tree, right?
The center mold is the same way.

1913
01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:33,800
So where humans have to go from
one stop to one stop to one stop

1914
01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:37,400
to one stop and make a big
U-turn or whatever, right.

1915
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:41,800
That makes sense.
But for mold, I mean, it's

1916
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:45,440
contained within the same body.
So if it branches out over here,

1917
01:46:45,440 --> 01:46:48,040
it doesn't then have to create
pathways over here.

1918
01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:55,080
It just the the yeah, food and
the nourishment translates back

1919
01:46:55,080 --> 01:47:00,160
into the main body of it, right.
So, yeah, I mean, it, it makes

1920
01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:04,880
sense in a way that it's like,
you know, how did this mold or

1921
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:10,920
this this fungi know how to be
so self-sufficient and so, you

1922
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:14,360
know, get into the spot without
wasting any extra energy.

1923
01:47:14,360 --> 01:47:16,440
But that's kind of what they do,
I mean.

1924
01:47:17,160 --> 01:47:18,560
You know what else is
interesting?

1925
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:20,640
And I don't know if this is in
your last little piece here or

1926
01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:22,360
not, Jeremy, but.
I'm done.

1927
01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:25,320
OK.
But basically they've also,

1928
01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:27,920
there's also been studies that
were done where they can show

1929
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:30,960
that the mycelium network that
essentially covers the entire

1930
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:35,920
planet for the most part that it
communicates with itself over

1931
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:38,560
distances.
So like they've they've been

1932
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:41,520
able to like, and I don't
remember the exact methods that

1933
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:43,760
they use for these studies, but
essentially they were able to

1934
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:47,960
like track signals that were
happening X distance away

1935
01:47:48,160 --> 01:47:50,840
through the mycelium network
over here.

1936
01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:54,960
So you know the information that
you know, you cut down a tree in

1937
01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:59,200
California, here in Florida,
like the trees know about it,

1938
01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:02,880
right?
Like the mycelium, all of the

1939
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:05,840
plants and everything grow
through this mycelium network,

1940
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:10,080
not just the fungi, right?
But the the mycelium network is

1941
01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:13,440
the fungi.
So it is the earth essentially,

1942
01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:14,480
if you want to think about it
that way.

1943
01:48:14,480 --> 01:48:17,600
Everything that grows and lives
on the earth grows through and.

1944
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:19,680
You could say that Mother Earth
knows.

1945
01:48:20,480 --> 01:48:23,120
Mother Earth, Yeah, that's some
real shit, right?

1946
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:24,760
Like that's some tree hugger
hippie shit.

1947
01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:26,440
But there's some truth to it,
right?

1948
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:28,920
Could.
You could you imagine if these

1949
01:48:28,920 --> 01:48:34,640
UFOs were just fungi?
They could be right.

1950
01:48:34,640 --> 01:48:37,080
Like some people are saying
they're biological craft.

1951
01:48:37,080 --> 01:48:38,920
They're like some weird
biological craft.

1952
01:48:39,240 --> 01:48:41,360
I mean, I'm just, that's a kind
of crazy.

1953
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:43,120
But who knows?
Who knows?

1954
01:48:43,120 --> 01:48:44,240
Anything's possible.
I'm going with it.

1955
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:45,960
Yeah.
We're scientists.

1956
01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:47,600
Or anything.
It's fungus.

1957
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:51,040
But it is super interesting that
the mycelium network is

1958
01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:55,440
intelligent enough, right?
At least it seems to have

1959
01:48:55,440 --> 01:48:57,680
information travel through it,
so it's like.

1960
01:48:57,800 --> 01:49:01,480
I mean, that makes sense in the
same way that a tree is so big,

1961
01:49:01,480 --> 01:49:06,240
but if you puncture the roots or
puncture the trunk or whatever

1962
01:49:06,240 --> 01:49:12,840
it was, it will provide SAP to
provide a barrier and seal that

1963
01:49:12,840 --> 01:49:17,720
spot up.
It's not too outlandish that if

1964
01:49:17,720 --> 01:49:22,720
an Organism like fungi or
whatever was so big with like a

1965
01:49:22,720 --> 01:49:27,240
root that it would be able to
translate a penetration of its

1966
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:30,680
system, right?
It isn't really that crazy to

1967
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:33,560
think of, but.
If it's like.

1968
01:49:33,640 --> 01:49:37,200
On a worldwide scale, I mean
that certainly is injured.

1969
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:42,000
It's also interesting to me just
to think like, and I don't know

1970
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:43,760
if this is true.
This is just my brain running

1971
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:48,280
right is like, you know, if the
whole world is mycelium and it's

1972
01:49:48,280 --> 01:49:51,160
all connected and we grow from
this as well, right?

1973
01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:55,080
Like our, you know, we're part
of this, this network as well.

1974
01:49:55,080 --> 01:49:57,440
And then you think.
About stuff, Yeah, sure.

1975
01:49:57,440 --> 01:49:59,560
Yeah, yeah.
And then you talk about what we

1976
01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:02,480
were saying earlier about like
the photon being looking like

1977
01:50:02,480 --> 01:50:05,280
the thing that observes it,
right?

1978
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:10,120
Like it's all connected on some
weird created, simulated weird

1979
01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:11,600
way.
It's almost the same thing with

1980
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:14,920
the mycelium, right?
It's like, you know, we are the

1981
01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:19,040
mycelium, but we also are the
thing that experiences what the

1982
01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:22,840
psilocybin does.
Like we have the brain to

1983
01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:27,160
experience the psilocybin, we
have the eye to experience the

1984
01:50:27,160 --> 01:50:28,920
photon.
Like it's like it's all a

1985
01:50:28,920 --> 01:50:32,560
creation in some weird way, like
maybe it's a simulated.

1986
01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:35,560
Yeah, it's Is it a coincidence
that a Dick looks like a

1987
01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:39,320
mushroom?
And we'll know because the and

1988
01:50:39,320 --> 01:50:43,000
that's that goes back.
Listen, that's important because

1989
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:45,440
that goes back to what I was
saying earlier when I was

1990
01:50:45,440 --> 01:50:47,960
telling Jake that there are a
lot of people who have broken

1991
01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:51,960
down like and theorize.
I'll say that that.

1992
01:50:53,320 --> 01:50:55,600
Everything that might be also
macro.

1993
01:50:56,520 --> 01:50:59,440
Everything, all the abromic
religions are related to

1994
01:50:59,440 --> 01:51:03,000
mushroom worship because there's
so many like phallic symbols and

1995
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:05,840
like all this type of stuff.
And it's like there's something

1996
01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:09,520
to the mushroom looking like,
you know, having a phallic

1997
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:12,000
symbol as well.
Like this is part of the whole

1998
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:14,720
connected thing I think.
I think it goes way deeper than

1999
01:51:14,720 --> 01:51:17,040
that.
I think that everything micro is

2000
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:23,440
also macro and the same way we
see atoms, those like galaxies,

2001
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:27,640
we see the human eyeball and it
looks like a star system, right?

2002
01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:33,720
It's just like everything micro
is also macro because it's, it's

2003
01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:36,360
all the same.
It's it's like you were saying

2004
01:51:36,360 --> 01:51:41,720
earlier when you asked me, you
know, if I thought that we could

2005
01:51:41,720 --> 01:51:47,120
have been made from like a
species that are existed, right,

2006
01:51:47,120 --> 01:51:49,480
or whatever it was.
And I, I gave you the example

2007
01:51:49,480 --> 01:51:53,240
the, the whale hands essentially
right where they're in the

2008
01:51:53,240 --> 01:51:55,840
flippers, but the bones look
like human hands.

2009
01:51:56,440 --> 01:52:03,000
I think that I think that it's
for the most part the same

2010
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:06,760
design, just in a bigger or
smaller scale.

2011
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:08,600
Well, yeah.
Do you remember like everybody's

2012
01:52:08,600 --> 01:52:11,840
freaking out when we got like
the pictures of the universe, if

2013
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:15,040
you want to call them pictures,
and they were like, oh, it looks

2014
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:17,440
like the neuron pathways of the
brain, right?

2015
01:52:17,440 --> 01:52:18,720
Like they're like, do you guys
remember?

2016
01:52:19,240 --> 01:52:22,840
Well, also, I just want to point
out that the mycelium network

2017
01:52:22,840 --> 01:52:26,960
looks exactly the same.
So that is the fractal thing

2018
01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:27,960
that you're talking about,
right?

2019
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:30,520
Like the universe looks like the
mycelium network looks like the

2020
01:52:30,520 --> 01:52:34,680
neural pathways.
And you require all three to

2021
01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:39,040
experience all three.
Like it's a weird, it's a weird

2022
01:52:39,080 --> 01:52:42,800
fucking phenomena, right?
That and to me, in my opinion,

2023
01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:47,600
that is what's coded in like the
Bible as the the Father, the

2024
01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:50,520
Son, the Holy Ghost, the Holy
Trinity to me is something like

2025
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:51,960
that.
I'm not saying that is the

2026
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:55,240
thing, but it is a similar
connection, right?

2027
01:52:55,240 --> 01:52:58,160
Like where you have this fractal
thing where it requires all

2028
01:52:58,160 --> 01:53:00,520
three of the things to
experience all three of the

2029
01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:03,000
things, right?
Like, that's what I get out of

2030
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:07,640
that personally.
Would you say that what how are

2031
01:53:07,640 --> 01:53:12,320
you phrasing it?
Is that that that my CM layer?

2032
01:53:12,680 --> 01:53:17,120
Is that a dirt thing or is that
a like growing up the side of

2033
01:53:17,120 --> 01:53:19,920
the trees type thing?
So like if a tree got harvested,

2034
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:24,720
like AI got some trees in my my
yard that I need to get down

2035
01:53:24,720 --> 01:53:26,200
because otherwise they're going
to die.

2036
01:53:26,200 --> 01:53:28,760
They're already dead at the top,
but they're going to fall in the

2037
01:53:28,760 --> 01:53:36,160
house and kill both of us.
If I harvest that or I cut it

2038
01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:40,640
down or right with a chainsaw or
whatever, does that disturb the

2039
01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:44,440
mycelium layer?
Or is it with like if I remove

2040
01:53:44,440 --> 01:53:46,960
the stump and got down into the
earth?

2041
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:48,920
Yeah, you have to go down a
little bit.

2042
01:53:48,920 --> 01:53:51,800
I mean, I, from what I
understand, generally speaking,

2043
01:53:51,800 --> 01:53:55,520
the mycelium layer is like down
in the dirt, like in the

2044
01:53:55,520 --> 01:53:58,000
substrate.
But you know, of course, things

2045
01:53:58,000 --> 01:53:59,560
are growing up from that
substrate.

2046
01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:03,080
So it's bringing spores and it's
bringing things out to the

2047
01:54:03,080 --> 01:54:04,880
surface.
So if you were to go sample,

2048
01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:07,680
let's say like do a swab sample
on the side of that tree, I'm

2049
01:54:07,680 --> 01:54:15,080
sure you would find, you know,
mycelium spores out here as

2050
01:54:15,080 --> 01:54:15,880
well.
But how?

2051
01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:17,280
Crazy.
Would that be Jeff?

2052
01:54:17,640 --> 01:54:20,520
If I was like, all right, dude,
I'm going to dig a hole.

2053
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:26,040
And then somehow we could see
that and observe that on a

2054
01:54:26,360 --> 01:54:35,080
microbial level and see that the
fungus registered that until

2055
01:54:35,080 --> 01:54:40,720
wherever it's centrally located
on the earth, right, that it

2056
01:54:40,720 --> 01:54:46,000
recognized me digging A2 by two
hole in the ground.

2057
01:54:46,840 --> 01:54:48,560
We might be able to one day,
right?

2058
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:50,320
I mean, like, like I said,
they've already got like a

2059
01:54:50,320 --> 01:54:53,600
general mapping of what this
mycelium network looks like,

2060
01:54:53,600 --> 01:54:55,960
just like the the neural
networks and whatever.

2061
01:54:56,240 --> 01:54:58,120
So it's like they kind of know
what this looks like.

2062
01:54:58,120 --> 01:55:00,240
And it's only a matter of time
before we have the technology to

2063
01:55:00,240 --> 01:55:03,200
see it like acting in real time.
And I think in some of these

2064
01:55:03,200 --> 01:55:05,440
laboratories, they've done this.
This is how they know that like

2065
01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:09,120
this network is communicating.
But you know, give it a couple

2066
01:55:09,120 --> 01:55:12,560
years, give some AI on it, and
then boom, and we'll have your

2067
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:14,200
iPhone to be able to fucking see
it, right?

2068
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:18,840
As much as we fought in this
episode or debated, it's brought

2069
01:55:18,840 --> 01:55:25,320
me a lot more clarity on exactly
what consciousness is because I

2070
01:55:25,320 --> 01:55:29,280
thought conscious was just
self-awareness and just knowing

2071
01:55:29,280 --> 01:55:31,480
that you exist.
But here we are, we're talking

2072
01:55:31,480 --> 01:55:34,440
about all these different
things, you know, and, and it's

2073
01:55:34,680 --> 01:55:38,840
honestly kind of sort of opened
my eyes as to like what

2074
01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:42,080
consciousness really is.
It's it's pretty incredible.

2075
01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:43,960
I have some really good topics
coming up for you then.

2076
01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:47,160
You better be ready for a
debate, OK?

2077
01:55:47,160 --> 01:55:51,280
And make it upset and defensive.
This was a good episode all.

2078
01:55:52,320 --> 01:55:55,600
Right, you guys want to watch
this video?

2079
01:55:55,760 --> 01:56:00,600
Sure, and what's up?
All right, so real quick for the

2080
01:56:00,600 --> 01:56:07,160
last giveaway, you have to be in
the chat right now.

2081
01:56:07,160 --> 01:56:09,360
So we're going to play this
video.

2082
01:56:09,400 --> 01:56:12,640
We're going to watch what this
what this fungus does.

2083
01:56:14,520 --> 01:56:17,600
It's going to go over the Tokyo
thing that we were talking

2084
01:56:17,600 --> 01:56:21,120
about.
But you have to put in the chat

2085
01:56:22,600 --> 01:56:25,520
the word shrooms.
OK?

2086
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:29,400
If you put the word shrooms in
it, then you will be entered

2087
01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:34,920
into the final drawing.
No repeat winners.

2088
01:56:34,920 --> 01:56:36,680
Sorry, Skeeter.
Sorry, Wollens.

2089
01:56:37,920 --> 01:56:45,080
So only new people put shrooms
in the chat and those will be

2090
01:56:45,080 --> 01:56:48,120
entered for the last T-shirt.
All righty.

2091
01:56:48,200 --> 01:56:52,160
Are we removing the old names?
Yes, yeah, removing everybody,

2092
01:56:52,160 --> 01:56:54,360
starting from scratch.
Going to be only Ken's are.

2093
01:56:54,640 --> 01:56:58,600
That's fine.
Well, for those who win should

2094
01:56:59,120 --> 01:57:02,160
still be here, right?
If he's still here, still still.

2095
01:57:02,160 --> 01:57:04,440
Listening to viewers.
Yeah, now he's he went to bed,

2096
01:57:04,440 --> 01:57:05,800
bro.
Yeah, he has to get up early as

2097
01:57:05,800 --> 01:57:08,080
fuck tomorrow.
Oh really man, I feel bad then.

2098
01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:12,440
It's 11:30 here.
All right, you got this kid.

2099
01:57:12,680 --> 01:57:13,080
Good luck.
I.

2100
01:57:14,640 --> 01:57:17,240
Don't know if that's fair, I
literally watched the mold

2101
01:57:17,240 --> 01:57:21,040
expand on all sides.
It found the nutrient right and

2102
01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:26,880
then it collapse itself into
that being the main pathway to

2103
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:29,840
the next thing.
The most efficient pathway those

2104
01:57:29,840 --> 01:57:30,520
if.
We had.

2105
01:57:30,720 --> 01:57:35,400
Well, yeah, but if we had done
that, it would literally be just

2106
01:57:35,400 --> 01:57:38,960
rail stations literally going
everywhere until we found the

2107
01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:43,160
next town and be like, OK, well
this is the main one, let's X

2108
01:57:43,160 --> 01:57:45,200
the rest of them.
Sure.

2109
01:57:45,200 --> 01:57:47,880
Well, this is again goes back to
the like, you need the other

2110
01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:49,960
piece, you need the other tool,
right?

2111
01:57:49,960 --> 01:57:52,240
Like you need the brain, you
need the human brain in order to

2112
01:57:52,240 --> 01:57:56,120
like actually make sense of what
this intelligence is in decoding

2113
01:57:56,120 --> 01:57:58,600
it and putting it into like the
real world, right?

2114
01:57:58,600 --> 01:58:02,480
Like the cellular intelligence
can't build skyscrapers, but you

2115
01:58:02,560 --> 01:58:06,720
feed that human being and it
goes into the brain and it does

2116
01:58:06,720 --> 01:58:10,000
something to where it gives this
person the ability to like think

2117
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:13,200
of the engineering needed to
build a skyscraper and make it

2118
01:58:13,200 --> 01:58:15,200
happen, right?
I'm not saying it's like that

2119
01:58:15,200 --> 01:58:20,360
simple or that direct, but, you
know, give it a few 1000 years,

2120
01:58:20,360 --> 01:58:22,880
a million years.
That's the type of shit that I

2121
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:24,800
think the argument is is trying
to be made.

2122
01:58:25,400 --> 01:58:28,840
Right, I suppose.
I suppose.

2123
01:58:28,920 --> 01:58:30,960
All right, let's get this last
one done.

2124
01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:32,960
Got two people.
In the wheel.

2125
01:58:32,960 --> 01:58:34,120
All right, we got.
Hold on.

2126
01:58:34,280 --> 01:58:36,360
Give me my fucking mouse.
There it is.

2127
01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:39,200
It's way past my bedtime.
You guys were so lucky.

2128
01:58:39,200 --> 01:58:40,640
I love you guys.
Love.

2129
01:58:40,640 --> 01:58:42,960
It so much.
Spin the wheel.

2130
01:58:42,960 --> 01:58:45,080
Spin the wheel Crystal.
Let me find out.

2131
01:58:45,080 --> 01:58:47,360
It's Kenzar here.
My gosh.

2132
01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:51,160
For those who died is just
getting wrecked wrecked.

2133
01:58:52,680 --> 01:58:54,400
He's.
The only one with his name on

2134
01:58:54,400 --> 01:58:55,760
the wheel.
Twice.

2135
01:58:56,360 --> 01:59:00,840
Three times.
Hey, all right, so for those who

2136
01:59:00,840 --> 01:59:04,800
died, go ahead and send me your
your information too.

2137
01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:06,120
I'm going to throw one your way
as well.

2138
01:59:07,080 --> 01:59:08,160
Yeah.
Yeah.

2139
01:59:09,920 --> 01:59:14,440
You get the fucking, the pity.
In the pity shirt.

2140
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:18,680
Pity shirt.
Hey, you know what, if they want

2141
01:59:18,680 --> 01:59:21,720
one, they got it, kid.
Congratulations.

2142
01:59:21,800 --> 01:59:26,320
Congratulations to everybody who
who won the shirts for those who

2143
01:59:26,320 --> 01:59:29,680
died.
Been around watched a bunch of

2144
01:59:29,680 --> 01:59:31,560
these these shows.
I appreciate the support.

2145
01:59:31,560 --> 01:59:35,240
Really, do go ahead and send
your information over to Infant

2146
01:59:35,240 --> 01:59:38,000
Rabbit Hole at Gmail dot.
Com on that fucking shirt too

2147
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:39,480
man hell.
Yeah, bro, hell yeah.

2148
01:59:39,480 --> 01:59:41,120
I'll spill some milk on it for
you.

2149
01:59:41,360 --> 01:59:43,600
Put some Bigfoot milk on that
shirt.

2150
01:59:45,800 --> 01:59:52,240
Dude, yeah, everyone else that
that one today I either know in

2151
01:59:52,240 --> 01:59:57,880
person or have open chats too.
So go ahead, you better spin

2152
01:59:57,880 --> 02:00:00,920
that wheel.
Only for those who died.

2153
02:00:04,200 --> 02:00:09,480
But no, thank you everybody that
this was great 200 episodes in,

2154
02:00:09,720 --> 02:00:11,920
and now I just got to figure out
how I'm going to be able to top

2155
02:00:11,920 --> 02:00:15,120
it for episode 302 years.
So we'll see.

2156
02:00:15,200 --> 02:00:19,400
In person in Florida, in the
Shadow Band podcast studio.

2157
02:00:20,360 --> 02:00:23,440
And then we make a trip to NASA
and we ask the hard fucking

2158
02:00:23,440 --> 02:00:26,440
questions.
Do you guys poop?

2159
02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:29,600
Yeah.
How do you open?

2160
02:00:29,600 --> 02:00:32,120
Space.
Fucking how do you open up the

2161
02:00:32,120 --> 02:00:35,280
Hatch to the don't let me get
into it, OK, Don't let me get

2162
02:00:35,280 --> 02:00:36,600
into it.
Because you have the squirts in

2163
02:00:36,600 --> 02:00:38,880
space, we ask them the hard
questions.

2164
02:00:39,440 --> 02:00:43,640
Yeah, that's a question where
everyone wants to know, but

2165
02:00:43,720 --> 02:00:46,680
yeah, kid, I'll, I'll send your
shirt whenever I get word that

2166
02:00:47,200 --> 02:00:49,400
that that whole thing is taken
care of because I'm not sending

2167
02:00:49,400 --> 02:00:50,080
that shit right now.
Send.

2168
02:00:50,720 --> 02:00:54,480
Me my UFO day shit.
Yeah, I still have to get a

2169
02:00:54,720 --> 02:00:55,800
fuck.
I got to go in.

2170
02:00:57,360 --> 02:00:58,960
Jake never grabbed his stuff
last night.

2171
02:00:59,280 --> 02:01:01,720
Sorry, I'll I'll send him this.
I'm going to come back for

2172
02:01:01,720 --> 02:01:04,120
another UFO days.
Leave more shit there.

2173
02:01:05,840 --> 02:01:09,560
I, I'm, I'm going to send out
some stuff for him and Crystal

2174
02:01:09,560 --> 02:01:13,680
anyway.
So I got, I got some stuff to to

2175
02:01:13,680 --> 02:01:16,120
throw their way so I, I could,
we could just throw it on one

2176
02:01:16,120 --> 02:01:16,880
thing.
Dude, I got you.

2177
02:01:16,960 --> 02:01:19,840
Blank wall space right here.
Yeah.

2178
02:01:19,840 --> 02:01:23,160
What are you going to put there?
UFO days stuff.

2179
02:01:23,840 --> 02:01:25,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
OK, great.

2180
02:01:25,120 --> 02:01:29,160
Anyways, all right, well, that
has been the 200th episode of

2181
02:01:29,160 --> 02:01:33,240
the Infinite Rabble podcast.
Thank your buddy 200, Jake and

2182
02:01:33,240 --> 02:01:37,480
I.
Damn, I remember when we shot

2183
02:01:37,480 --> 02:01:41,720
episode 1 and episode -1 and -2
negative 3.

2184
02:01:42,600 --> 02:01:43,800
The ones that will never ever
so.

2185
02:01:44,200 --> 02:01:45,840
Did I join?
Do you remember?

2186
02:01:47,160 --> 02:01:50,960
I think you officially started
with episode 54, which is

2187
02:01:50,960 --> 02:01:54,440
American Bigfoot. 150 episodes.
Hey, man.

2188
02:01:55,400 --> 02:01:59,720
Hell yeah.
None of which were you is all

2189
02:01:59,720 --> 02:02:02,520
Jeremy.
No that's not true.

2190
02:02:02,520 --> 02:02:08,240
Chachi PT did an episode.
I did 2 right?

2191
02:02:08,240 --> 02:02:11,400
I did 2 and chachi PT did one.
Chachi PT.

2192
02:02:13,160 --> 02:02:16,760
That was a good episode and it
it was it ranked in our ranks.

2193
02:02:16,760 --> 02:02:18,960
It was our fucking.
List I.

2194
02:02:19,160 --> 02:02:20,880
Can't listen.
I just did that to prove a point

2195
02:02:20,960 --> 02:02:23,200
the AI.
Do not do.

2196
02:02:23,800 --> 02:02:27,040
No, and I did edit it.
Jeff did one time.

2197
02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:29,640
He'll probably do it every time,
but.

2198
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:34,360
I didn't copy paste it directly.
I did it and then I edited it.

2199
02:02:34,400 --> 02:02:37,600
You know, I did some work on it
and just spit it out.

2200
02:02:37,600 --> 02:02:42,040
But yeah, Chad TPT did a lot.
Right, all right, well, I got to

2201
02:02:42,040 --> 02:02:43,400
go to bed because I got to go to
work.

2202
02:02:43,800 --> 02:02:47,200
Me too all.
Right, everybody, thank you.

2203
02:02:47,320 --> 02:02:51,000
Thank you everybody for all of
the years of support and helping

2204
02:02:51,000 --> 02:02:54,200
us get to where we are today,
and I hope you guys enjoy the

2205
02:02:54,200 --> 02:02:56,760
shirts.
I know I enjoy my shirt.

2206
02:02:57,520 --> 02:02:59,360
I got it.
Now I got to go enslave my wife

2207
02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:02,920
to make four more.
Bro this shirt's dope.

2208
02:03:03,560 --> 02:03:04,680
Yeah, man.
Yeah.

2209
02:03:04,680 --> 02:03:08,440
All right, guys, take it easy.
I'm going to.

2210
02:03:09,160 --> 02:03:10,280
Bye.
There you go.

2211
02:03:14,560 --> 02:03:17,080
Hey everybody, thanks for
checking out the Infinite Rabbit

2212
02:03:17,080 --> 02:03:19,160
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2213
02:03:19,160 --> 02:03:22,320
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2214
02:03:22,320 --> 02:03:25,000
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2215
02:03:25,000 --> 02:03:28,560
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2216
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:30,440
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2217
02:03:30,440 --> 02:03:33,440
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2218
02:03:33,440 --> 02:03:36,520
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2219
02:03:36,760 --> 02:03:40,440
And until next time, travelers,
we'll see you right here in the

2220
02:03:40,440 --> 02:03:42,920
next fork in the path of the
Infinite Rabbit hole.

2221
02:03:43,680 --> 02:03:43,920
Bye.