201. The Murphysboro / Big Muddy Monster Part 1

0:02 Hello fellow listeners, this is Skeeter of Skeeter on Sound as a Wedding DJI offer several different packages and if you're a fan of the show. I. Also specialize in themed weddings. Also, as an entertainer, I provide music, bingo, and trivia. So if you're in the Wisconsin, Minnesota, or UP area, check out Skeeter on Sound or find Skeeter on Sound on any social media platform under Skeeter on Sound. So without any further ado, let's see what the boys at the Infinite Rabbit Hole have for us today.

1:16 Welcome back to the Infinite Rabbit Hole. I'm your host Jeremy, and today we're going to change up the schedule a little bit. We are not doing La Eurona tonight. We are going to jump into part one of our coverage on the Murfreesboro Monster. We did the Falk Monster sometime in the summer this year and it got really good reviews. A lot of people really liked the whole Bigfoot urban legend stories, so we're going to do it again. We have two parts total for this one and it's going to be a good one. Murfreesboro Monster is a classic. You guys will learn that here soon. If you don't already know about it, and if you do, well, then you already know. It's kind of a class.

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4:39 We did. Do you want to you want to tell everybody what we did? Nope. Can't say who we visited but. So Jeremy and I went to Elmwood where we did UFO Days to have lunch at a restaurant and speak to a individual there about getting an interview with him. And while we were there, we ran into or didn't really run into them. I hit up Amy, the president of UFO Days, and let her know that we were in, let her know that we were in town. So she and Dawn, what is Don's role in there besides being a? Treasurer. OK, screaming at the kids to pick up all the garbage.

5:23 So they, she or they both came over and hung out for a little bit. And Jeremy, I guess, well, he's writing a book for the whole thing. So he ended up as, as the turn of events happened this, the city treasurer or treasurer, the city historian just happened to be there at the exact same time that we were leaving. So they were checking out my motorcycle because I rode that for like the last ride of the season before I put it to bed and pull the battery and all that sort of stuff. It's gonna start getting colder and start snowing and I'm a fair weather rider. Say what you want, I don't care.

6:04 I've crashed and I don't want to do it again. So I, yeah, they were checking out the bike because I have a pretty sick custom paint job on it. And just as we're kind of like saying our goodbyes, the historian for the city shows up. And I guess we didn't see because we were manning the booth, but she had a whole Elmwood set up or UFO Day set up in the Historical Society building where it was all the newspaper articles and all like the, the interview that they did on the Geraldo show and all that stuff was playing in the background. So they said that she had like 300 people kind of stop in for like an hour because they're watching these interviews, things like that and reading everything.

6:48 So Jeremy got hooked up with her to see about getting like the history of Elmwood and all that sort of stuff. And I should I say like the no how the talent's positioned or anything like that. OK, so. Thanks man, sorry. Yeah, yeah, there's there's some stuff that it's going to be inside the book because we don't want to throw everything out there, but it was really cool. It was cool. And I think we scored the interview that we were looking for. The individual was was pretty seemed to be a lot better about it and like saying, yeah, like he'll he'll do it and stuff. And also he has a a property that apparently has a lot of Bigfoot activities. So we asked if we could camp out on it and stuff and, and kind of see what's up with that.

7:34 So we're going to end up following up with that really soon. So that was that was pretty cool. Yeah, I'd say we, we hit that up in the springtime. Yeah. Go go big feet in under the UFOs. Not bad for just showing up on a whim. We didn't let anyone know we were coming out until we just kind of showed up there. So that was that was pretty cool. I didn't expect it to be so profitable. Profitable, right? Yeah. Yeah. And then and then that's it. And here I am sitting on the the show today and I'm drinking some Glenn Leavitt 14 year old Scotch and I got a New Belgium Voodoo Ranger Juicy Haze IPA as a backup. Nice, that's all I got.

8:21 Yeah, I forgot to say what I was drinking. I'm drinking Polliner Oktoberfest BIA. There we go. Tonight, and I actually just finished it, so I'd never even grabbed a backup, so I'll have to squeeze over there a little bit later. I have fat squirrel from new Garrus. Love it. Good stuff. That's going to be my backup tonight. Oh, oh hefe. Oh hefe, oh hefe. What up bro? What's up dude? Chilling man. You guys like the new setup? I do, it's all. I don't. It's galactic ugly. Damn bro. All right, we. Gotta send everything back. Gotta send everything back. Crystal, you hear that? Yeah, Crystal does not approve. I'm hanging out. I'm chilling. I got a Kroger seltzer water, 0 calories, strawberry lemonade. Looking for that sponsorship.

9:08 You know what I mean? And as I said at the beginning of the stream, we are now down to two. I have not eaten any crystallized one. That's it. Going. To answer to answer Danny's question in the chat, yes, we did upload a few episodes to Spotify. Those were streamed on Twitch over the last couple of weeks on Tuesdays, my friend. Tuesdays on Twitch you can find Shadow Band, usually 8 ish. 8:00-ish. OK, you know how it is over in Shadow Band. We're just firing from the hip, so 8:00-ish. Skeeter don't don't don't suck up to Jeff.

9:48 Background is garbage and he needs to do better. Thanks Skeet bro. I appreciate that man. Yeah. Yeah, he's he's Jeff is, I mean, look at look at Jeremy's background. Jeremy's background is nice. Look at it. My background isn't that nice. So there's a lot of money up on this wall. Jeff has just got like shadow band podcasts and a light machine. He's he's lame. It's too clean. Yeah, make a few more. He needs like a butter that thing up. Listen, I'm I just put this together at 6:00 PM, OK, starting. Six years about your excuses, Jeff. Second of all, I'm just, I already know that this space here, I'm, I need something here, probably some more light. I think I'm gonna get one of those standing light bars or something to go here. So just bear with me.

10:32 And I have Project Blue Beam technology in my fucking studio, bro. Get wrecked, OK? Yeah, well, you know what? You're trash. So yeah. It is what it is, Jeff. You got a good beard, though. You got that going for you. I do not have a good beard. I'm getting you. Got a good beard? But you're getting Gray and it's, it's Gray and thinning. I'm old now. Yeah. But it's tame. Look at mine. I'm like, get out. It's like a fro on my chin. I'm about to go on a carnivore diet and start working out at 4:30 in the morning here, so we'll see how this take a screenshot of this. Jeff's going to have to. Wrap this so dangerous not even have a neck. See if the Gray changes from the carnivore diet. Nice. Probably not. It'd probably get worse.

11:12 If I like got my got my backup beer. Fat squirrel. Bam, look how fat that squirrel is. Look at how fat he is. Dang, Yep, you should be that fast girl for next Halloween. That squirrel. You'll be skinny. You'll be a skinny squirrel. Maybe I will be still, still only at loss of £75 this year, but only. 75 lbs, ladies and gentlemen, that he's lost in a year only. Yeah, yeah, you're a piece of carp. You're a piece of garbage. You need to do better. You need to lose 100 lbs. There's what it is. I don't think I'm gonna be able to make it by the end of year, but sorry, I started gaining all the weight since I started working out. But all right, anything else that you guys want to put out? I voted.

11:56 I got the sticker right here in my hat. Oh yeah, look at that. You did. As well. I don't put a sticker on myself though because I'm not a freaking dweeb, but I did vote. Yeah, well, at least I have a cool background, unlike you. Danny, I'll send you my Danny commented asking for some, some tips on on the weight loss. I'll, I'll send you a message. I had. I have a plan that the VA helped me get hooked up with and it it's a, it's a, it's a pretty sweet plan. It's it's a. Less food, more activity. And amphetamines. Amphetamines yes, but I'll I'll I'll comment you on on Twitter or X or whatever it's called here probably by the end of the night just. He no longer drinks here, he butt chugs it so he doesn't have to consume the calories.

12:41 This is. Going in my face, it's not medical advice, for the record. Yeah, he's over there butt chugging beers. You guys ready to jump into Murfreesboro Monster? Let's do it. You left it there, didn't you? You're such an asshole. You better read it. No. Wow, you scumbag. All right, the back story, the Murfreesboro Monster AKA the Big Muddy Monster is a Bigfoot type crypted urban legend that stands as one of the most convincing and believable among other similar critters such as Momo of Missouri, the Falk Monster of Arkansas, the Honey Island Swamp Monster of Louisiana, the Lorelei of North Carolina, the Grass Man of Ohio, the Beast of Whitehall in New York, the Mongolon Monster of Arizona and the Dewey Lake Monster of Michigan, just to name a few. The prime year for sightings and encounters of Big Muddy then simply called the beast or the thing was in 1973 where according to Jim Jung in his book Weird Egypt, a case for supernatural geology, a trucker near the intersection of Illinois highways 149 and three witnessed an 8 foot tall bipedal something standing in the cornfield. This particular sighting, which would be repeated multiple times throughout the upcoming decades amongst many others, left most people believing that this was the year when the monster made its grand entrance into the limelight of urban legend mythology.

14:14 Although this may not have been completely true, the year of 1973 was most definitely the year with the highest frequency of sightings and run insurance with something strange in the area. But truth be told, there are stories of this creature or another like it going back to before the 1950's. The problem with those stories is they lack any real detail other than some vague descriptions of something stalking the area and having brief run insurance with the locals in various newspaper articles from the time. But why is it that the legend of Big Muddy peaked in the year of 1973? The most common belief is that the flood that plagued the area in the months prior forced something out of its normal home and shelter, possibly from the many caves and caverns of the nearby Shawnee National Forest, to wander the counties of southern Illinois. So it would seem that most people that are familiar with the stories surrounding the famed Murfreesboro Monster would be right to believe that the origin of the Beast of the Big Muddy started in 1973.

15:19 Although we will dive into encounter stories with some actual information in them from much earlier than that. The question will be, were they the famed Monster of Murfreesboro? Well, you'll have to decide for yourself when we get there, but to touch base on the time frame before the 70s, the Thing made headlines in an October 1942 edition of the Murfreesboro Daily Independent when a statement was published as a warning to the children of the area. Quote. The Thing reportedly remains abroad, and for that reason, children are advised to remain out of the woods unless accompanied by their parents. The paper even went as far as to recommend that the local fox hunting club release their hounds so that they could track down the Thing's location and capture it alive. On October 15th of 1949, the Harrisburg Daily Register ran an article announcing the reward of $100 to anyone that could capture the creature causing issues in the area. The reward was posted by Harry Greenberg, who owned a metalworks company on the outskirts of Murfreesboro. Greenberg was having issues almost nightly with his workers near the railroad that were reporting everything and anything as the identity of a nuisance animal, preventing them from doing their work out of fear for themselves. The only precarious issue was that each of his workers reported a different description of the mysterious animal. One man said it was a huge wolf with a large bushy tail, another claimed it was a squirrel, and

16:51 the last one swore it was a bear and claimed to have seen it walk on two legs across the tracks before falling back down to four legs and running off into the woods. Unfortunately, no one ever claimed $100 reward. According to authors Chad Lewis, Noah Voss, and Kevin Lee Nelson, the earliest physical description of the Murfreesboro monster had described the creature at quote 8 feet high and weighing about 400 lbs and left huge 8 inch long V shaped tracks with a 19 inch bipedal stride. From this description an 8 inch foot for a creature standing on two legs at over 8 feet tall doesn't seem like a reality, but reports would repeatedly be submitted of the creature in the 8 to 10 foot range thrusting the beast soon to be known as the Murfreesboro Monster AKA the Beasts of the Big Muddy or the Big Muddy Monster into the history books of cryptozoology as one of the more believed local legends in history.

17:48 As animals both wild and domestic began to show up mutilated, decapitated and eviscerated all over Murfreesboro and the surrounding area, the description of the monster would eventually evolve into that of an all white or light Gray. Some even claimed to be albino Bigfoot creature with reports of its height ranging from its standing 7 to 10 feet tall with a horrible stench, glowing red eyes and a scream that echoed the forest of the area with a bad attitude. In September of 2014, author and researcher Kevin Lee Nelson was in Murfreesboro to talk with the local population and do some on site research into a legend of the Murfreesboro Monster. He was pleased to find that even those that were too young or not even born at the time of the big flaps in the 70s and 80s still knew of and were willing to share their stories that they either had themselves or passed down to them by friends and family.

18:46 Nelson also was ecstatic to find that when he entered the Murfreesboro Police Department and asked if they had any information on the monster, the officer behind the desk was more than happy to lend him the folder that they had on the creature. Nelson was impressed and shocked to walk into the department's conference room to be greeted by a large brown folder with letters over 3 inches thick and large black marker stating quote Big Muddy Monster 1973 emblazoned on the front of it. All right, Jake, you suck, just so you know. You're such a It's all true. The whole thing, it's true. No, I, Skeeter says. Definitely not seeing you guys. Yes, I did see you guys because I have two screens. I have one right here and I have this one over here, and all I see is that the thing zooming in and out on Jake's face and I'm like, well, I skipped a little bit there because I couldn't pay attention.

19:40 Thanks, Jake. Last time, last time I I was doing that, you were like, I can't see you because I maximized my whole screen, so I didn't think I was messing you up. I won't do it anymore. I'm sorry. Well, that's before I had I I was doing all my reading off that screen. I was doing my reading off this screen at that time. So I just covered up you guys. I'm sorry. Yeah, I didn't know. Stop yelling. That's. Why you stick the protocol OK? Why are you switching screens? Yeah. Whatever, you're a real piece of poop. Whatever, man. All right, we guys think about the Big Muddy. Definitely Bigfoot. Definitely, I like all the different names. That's pretty dope. Yeah. So the name Big Muddy comes from the Big Muddy River which which borders the town of Murfreesboro and he is frequently spotted or it is frequently spotted around or in Big Muddy.

20:34 I mean or bear. Or bare maybe? Just based on the size, what do you say? 10 feet? Is that what you said? Eight to 10 feet is the average reporting size. Definitely. Not a bear. So well, The thing is about those sightings, right? We've talked about this before is like, you know, if you're out in the woods, right? And like, especially if you get startled by something, you know, maybe it's only 7. So startled it might be 10 feet in your memory when you go recall it, right? Yeah, yeah. So was that the South Park episode with the The Giant? With the giant Guinea pigs. I'm so startled. To make fun of Cloverfield. Yeah. Yes, I've seen Cloverfield. I love Cloverfield.

21:16 It's. Crazy. I like Cloverfield. I thought that was a good movie. I'm I'm upset that they never released that other movie that they were supposed to do from the point of view of the other guy with the camera on the bridge. Yeah. I don't know. I haven't seen Cloverfield. No. No, no, no Sir. It's probably better than Star Trek Wars. Probably not any recent stuff besides just the 70s and 80s. Oh, yeah, yeah, we'll get into that. There's it's, there's so much of it. It's pretty crazy that we don't have any biological evidence of this thing, to be honest with you. This is this is probably, you know what, when it comes down to the local urban legends of Bigfoot creatures, this is one of the ones that have stuck around for the longest and continues to have the most sightings out of everything. I mean, the Beast of beast of Whitehall from New York is up there as well, but that's more of a Whitehall, NY is a resort town where they have, you know, ski resorts and it surrounds a Big Lake or pond.

22:31 I can't remember what exactly it qualifies as, but it's more regional thing where I mean the Murfreesboro Monster is regional too. We'll get into the area of southern Illinois known as Little Egypt here in a little bit and I'll explain that whole naming. I believe it's in the very next bit, but the, the, the amount of sightings in little Egypt is in incredible. It's just I, I, I feel like there should be more, there should be more evidence of this thing being around then then there is. And I would love to go down there and check it out. Seems like a really interesting place. OK.

23:13 Just just for the just to kind of throw it out there, something that just kind of occurred to me. Why is it that? Is it because it moved to the area? Like why? Why is it that we always have things like this where the report started in like the 50s, sixties, seventies, 80s, nineties, 2000s, whatever, right? But it's just like if it's an an actual animal that lives in this area, then the reports would have started a long time ago unless it just moved into the area. Well, the Midwest, especially that portion of the Midwest is very, very popular for a lot of Bigfoot sightings.

23:57 This is not very far from Momo, the Missouri monster, which we will eventually get into at some point. But you also have to think of the time frame of reporting, when is technology good enough to be able to properly record these sightings and be able to not just record them, but have the the know how to preserve that reporting in a way that could be referenced in the in 2024. So you have to think of that too. That's I, I think that's a big bit as to why a lot of the times it'll start in the 50s, sixties and 70s. But one thing I was not able to do was, was attach any Native American stories to this. Not saying that there isn't any, because I am. I am a week shy of of finishing all of my research on this. So I I did have a couple sources that I wanted to look at when it came to tying in Native American mythology to this or their own lore, but I unfortunately was not able to. Maybe I'll be able to squeeze it in and get in for next week's episode, we'll see.

25:12 But yeah, I I think that's, that's most likely going to be your answer is you got to think about the the technology used in order to preserve these kind of sightings and and stories. I wasn't necessarily asking because it's something I was curious about, but I know that we like to try to play as many angles as we can. So I imagine that that would, if that question just kind of came up my head that I could answer for myself. But someone might be asking that question and not have an answer to it. Yeah, no. It's good to agree. Get those answers out or get those questions out for sure. Yeah. Anything else? Cool. No, all good.

25:53 Ready to move on. I think this next section is pretty, pretty small. Let's go. Oh wait, no it's not. Never mind, it's 50 pages. All right, let's see here. Geography and the paranormal. The Murfreesboro Monster seems to be on track to remain one of the most beloved and feared cryptozoological urban legends in all of American history. But there is one thing to keep in mind when debating on its legitimacy. Actually, there's a handful of them. The Murfreesboro Monster was accompanied by many other urban legend creatures and animals in a 2 hour radius around the monster stomping grounds. There are at least 12 separate urban legend monsters that have called this area home.

26:33 Creatures such as the Alton Area Weirdness and the Hamel Tiger beginning in in 1933. The Mount Vernon Monster of 1941 and 1949. The Goose Filled Bear in 1949, the Tuttle Bottoms Monster and the HAMP Mine Monster of the 1960's. The Missouri Monster AKA Momo of the 70s, the Black Panther attacks of 1971, the Edwardsville Red Beasts in the Enfield Horror of 1973, the Moro Monster of 1976. And if you go even further back, you come across the Centerville something from 1880s. So the Murfreesboro Monster was just one of many mysterious entities being spotted throughout the area and throughout history. And maybe there was something more than natural going on here, as you will soon learn.

27:23 The description of the creature may seem inconsistent, but it may just be because the light haired Big Muddy may not be the only mysterious creature stalking the woods around Murfreesboro. When you add the fact that there were and still are many other unknown phenomena occurring in Jackson County, Illinois and its surrounding counties, this becomes even more eye opening. The area is literally infested with UFO sightings, hauntings, urban legends, the many encrypted creatures we just talked about, and a ton of other events under the High Strangeness umbrella. The area in question is commonly referred to as Little Egypt, a name given to the area encompassing all of Southern Illinois by the founder of the area, a Baptist minister in 1799 by the name of John Badgeley, who lives in the area now known as Edwardsville. Badgley referred to the town prior to the modern naming as Land of Goshen, with Goshen being a reference to a land mentioned in the Bible in Lower Egypt where the Israelites live, farmed and practice agriculture.

28:29 It is said that he called it by this name due to the lush vegetation and fertile soil. There are a total of 11 counties that make up the Little Egypt region, those being Alexander, Gallatin, Hardin, Jackson, Johnson, Mazik, Pope, Pulaski, Saline, Union and Williamson counties and is bordered by the Mississippi River to the southwest and the Ohio River to the southeast with Murfreesboro being located in Jackson County. Within these counties there are plethora of other strange phenomenon outside of the realm of physical creatures. These phenomenon fall under a few categories such as physical anomalies, man made anomalies, folk tales, manifestations, odd gravitational events, and UFO events To name a few of the specific examples we have the Cairo Bubble, the hauntings at Cairo's hospital, Public Library and Opera House, the Duff Spooklights, the McConnell Banshee, The Cave in Rock of Hardin County which houses many phenomenon such as its own banshee that screams out into the night, headless dogs, an incredible amount of haunted roads and historical hotels, The Hooven Hollow, Earth Lights, Hicks Dome, a Headless Horseman, the Hicks Town Earth Lights, the Claude Tanner Omen, the Glowing Bridge, the Lost village of Ovie, the mystery of the Bedrock footprints, and an incredible number of haunted cemeteries just to name a sliver of the reported historical and modern

30:01 cases of high strangeness that plagued the Little Egypt region. There is enough going on in this one section of the state of Illinois that we could and will cover an entire series one day on the geology and the high strangeness in Little Egypt. One of the strange places within the borders of Little Egypt that should be highlighted is the Shawnee National Forest. If you're familiar with the Missing 41 phenomenon or our early series titled National Park Mysteries, you are aware that National Forest have their own flavor of high strangeness, especially when it comes to the plethora of missing person cases without ordinary details. Shawnee encompasses 289,000 square acres of cliffs, dense forest, forgotten caves, a plethora species of wildlife, and many old and dark swamplands all wrapped up with strange calls and wood knocks springing through the night, sending chills down the spines of those with an earshot that are aware of the possibility of a Bigfoot like creature's existence. The area of Little Egypt is highly dissected in the book Weird Egypt, The Case for Supernatural Geology by Jim Jong.

31:13 In this book, Jung dives into the idea that fault lines and other natural geological formations and structures may be what causes the area's high level of strange happenings. But yet again, we'll cover that more in depth on another episode of The Infinite Rabbit Hole. All right, guys. So. I want to go that sounds Nope. Let's go, dude. Can you go back out? We're talking about like the Egyptian. Yeah, little Egypt. Yeah, can you, can you just read that part again? Do you mind? So mostly, yeah, I mean, I I could go into it more in depth, but like I said, I will be covering this more in in another episode at one point, but just to read that section again.

31:57 The area in question is commonly referred to as Little Egypt, a name given to the area encompassing all of southern Illinois by the founder of the area of Baptist minister in 1799 by the name of John Badgley, who lived in the area now known as Edwardsville. Badgley referred to the town prior to the modern naming as the land of Goshen, with Goshen being a reference to a land mentioned in the Bible in Lower Egypt, where the Israelites lived, farmed and practiced agriculture. It is said that he called it by this name due to the lush vegetation and fertile soil. Is that what you wanted? That's like the whole Midwest. So, right, you know, I, I 'cause you, you said that and then I kind of got distracted, I'm not going to lie.

32:40 And I started thinking about this whole Egypt was America. You heard this before. No. Yeah, there's, I'd have to really do the the research and like look into it. But I've seen this before. There's like this idea that I guess what we think of as ancient Egypt and like all the stories and this, and that's like a lot of that was actually taking place on this continent and not over there. And there's like a lot of ties with like what they've named a lot of the cities in the States, you know, they've named a lot of them after like cities that are in Egypt or vice versa, right? And it's like, it goes back to this like altered history, like mud flood reset, you know, is everything they're telling us like flip-flopped or inverted somehow and like the maps being flipped, right?

33:28 Like maybe there was a magnetic shift of some kind or whatever, you know, pull shit, whatever, whatever they used to talk about with that kind of thing. And then, you know, the maps were different and this was actually the Mississippi. Mississippi was the Nile and all these things because there's pyramids here. I, I think you'd be interested in this book to be honest with you, because it dives into the geology and fault lines and and fissures and cracks and stuff that flow up and down the Mississippi, which would encompass Jake and I's location here too. But this book that I, that I got all this from is Weird Egypt by Jim Jong. And I don't want to say what I paid for this because it took me a long time to find this copy.

34:18 But this is this is a, a book entirely about the the little Egypt area of southern Illinois. And reading through it, when you said that they name a lot of places here in the United States after Egyptian, you know, sources. You should take a look at some of the towns in in southern Illinois. It's pretty crazy. Yeah, I'll, I'll check that out. But you definitely look into that, that conspiracy too, because it's a fun one. I'm going to look into that. Well, you should present that. Maybe I will. Maybe you should, I mean what? What do you guys think? In the chat should should Hefei present to us the the theory that America is Egypt or ancient Egypt? What do you guys say?

35:06 Yeah, it hasn't presented anything else. Give him a guilt trip. Neither have I though. Hangers bro, when I bring, I bring the heat. You guys have both presented 1 episode this year. One to Steven Dang bringing that heat. Still banger every time. Jake did goat Man and you did the other one. The thing the the the the thing the the the meteor, the asteroid, or whatever you know, the younger driest. You did your driest Atlantis. No, you did Atlantis a couple years ago. Yeah, talk. About this year.

35:46 This year, yeah, one matters. Passed like a couple months ago. According to that, Jeremy is. Running in hot I'll come in hot with some new. Every single cent that's made is going straight to Jeremy's pocket because he's the only one doing anything for the show. Put some pressure. On some sauce. Not for you guys only because the Chad said so. So not because of you guys. Yeah, put it on, lay it on them nice and thick. He does work for the fans and not for the hosts. That's right. That's right. Yet he won't even take off his shirt. What scum. Just doing it for peanut, peanut and Harambe. Peanut and Harambe.

36:30 That's sick. Oh my gosh, that story is so effed. Yeah. Well, this they had a raccoon too, man. Yeah, dude, that's like. The raccoon's name? Frank. Yeah, in order to save the animals from inhumane conditions, they come in and kill both. For for Peanut, Frank and Harambe. I'll. I'll bring in some heat on some lost history. OK, good. Yeah. I, I feel like I'm gonna get learned it. It's been great. Last section of the night. It's a long one. We're gonna get into some sightings. Good.

37:12 And and encounters. We're gonna you guys ready? Ready to roll? Dude, I'm so ready. This is going quick, all right before the 1970s. As I mentioned before, the bulk of Murfreesboro monster sightings took place in the year 1973, but there were plenty of sightings of strange creatures stalking the area of the Big Muddy for decades prior 1915. Creole Springs, Illinois In the town of Creole Springs, Illinois, just 35 miles southeast of Murfreesboro, the local animals, both domesticated and wild, began to act strangely.

37:55 Horses were skittish and aggressive, cattle were crashing through fences, and dogs were acting aggressive to their owners. The locals of the area believed that it was due to something else being in the woods surrounding the town, something that was threatening them, something alpha if you will. How did the locals come to this conclusion? Well, it started with strong, aggressive and guttural roars coming from the tree lines. The distant roars soon evolved into low growls coming from the thick brush near people's yards and then eventually so one finally laid eyes on it. Late one night, a young man was driving home when he witnessed a large creature stare him down while he was driving by in his vehicle, let out a threatening yell and clear a nearby fence before running off out of sight.

38:46 The Carbondale Daily Free Press was the first publication to publish anything on the matter on April 29th in 1915, but the creature was never identified, nor was it ever documented to have been seen ever again. The yells and the growls would continue for a few months, but after that stint of strangeness, everything settled down. The locals became convinced that the mysterious creature was either a displaced Mountain Lion or an escaped animal from either a zoo or a train transporting circus animals. So many people now believe differently. 19281929, Carbondale, IL In the December 11th, 1928 edition of the Carbondale Free Press, an article was published that highlighted multiple cases of hunting dogs in the area being found dead just 7 miles southeast of Murfreesboro. Apparently an unknown killer was about and they were leaving these dogs in a gruesome state for their owners to find. Many of the dogs had crushed skulls, partially eaten heads, and blood seemingly drained from their throats. A Doctor Etherton's dogs were a few of the victims, however. Whoever or whatever.

40:02 Killed his prize foxhounds was able to cut through a chain link fence, leaving a hole big enough for a human to crawl through before dismembering the dogs. This too was considered by most locals to be an escaped animal from a train that was transporting zoo or circus animals. 1941 Colt, Illinois In the winter of 1941, the residents of Culp, Illinois were shocked to discover that the recent uptick in quote UN quote beast sightings may have some truth behind them. After all. A large trackway was discovered in various portions of the town in the fresh morning snow. The Murfreesboro Daily Independent newspaper quoted a local resident quote. Of course, we didn't believe rumors of such a beast until we inspect the footprints.

40:53 They measured 8 inches across and were V shaped unlike anything we've ever seen. A posse was formed early on after the discovery of the Prince with the intention of tracking down the beast and where it lived. But as the morning went on, more fresh snow fell and the trackway was lost before the townsfolk could find the truth of the strange Prince. 1942 Duquoin, Illinois In 1942, in the town of Duquoin, just 20 miles north of Murfreesboro, multiple reports were called in of what author Chad Lewis described as quote, a giant silver monster. These monster stories completely took over all of the town's chatter and left everyone scared and nervous about what this monster could possibly do to themselves, their families, their animals and property.

41:45 These reports describe cases of screen doors and windows being damaged, missing animals, and shots being fired at some enormous beast. Those that laid eyes on it seem to have either collaborated in their stories or they really saw something most of them described as a quote UN quote 7 foot tall man like creature. 1942 Murfreesboro, Illinois In October of 1942, an article was published in the Murfreesboro Daily Independent highlighting the pathway the creatures seem to be taking in a Southwestern fashion. The article included a few reports with date stamps providing proof that whatever it was, it was clearly moving in a certain direction. One such report in the Independent that day highlighted a report of a man just South of Carbondale that burst through the doors of the local Sheriff's Office yelling about, quote, an animal weighing about £400 that jumped out in front of his car while he was driving down the highway. 1948 Pinckneyville, IL, just 20 miles north of Murfreesboro. A flap of mutilations involving beloved family dogs in the area was soon accompanied by a print covered in the mud of bee coop bottoms where a local trapper Buster Doll, was conducting his morning rounds of checking his traps. Doll came upon the print and immediately dugout the earth around it, preserving the print the best he could. This print was immediately put

43:16 on display in town, and many of the locals believed it to be a print of a really large black bear. But many of the local hunters and woodsman thought differently, including Buster Doll himself, who was quoted in the Daily Independent newspaper as saying that he was quote going to trap somewhere else, as he was fearful that he would lose many traps, possibly even his own life. December 1948. Steelville, Denmark 30 miles northwest of Murfreesboro in the town of Steelville, a local farmer by the name of Hermann Rubach began hearing strange screams from the woods surrounding his property at night. Rubach became concerned when his brave hunting dogs began cowering with their tails tucked when the screams ringed out. Rubach himself was not a believer in the idea of some unknown creature lurking in the local woods and believed that the animal responsible for the screams was an ocelot. The problem with this assumption is that ocelots are small Wildcats that are native to northern South America and Central America, not the northern Midwest states of the US.

44:23 Others came forward claiming that they believed the screams that were eventually being heard everywhere around town were those of a bobcat, but nobody was ever able to bring proof that it was a local or displaced Wildcat, nor was anyone ever able to prove that it was an unknown bipedal creature either. Only 10 miles West of the previous report in Steelville, the town of Denmark, Illinois began having their own strange noises blurring out into the night from the tree lines. But it wasn't the loud, distant noises that had Alma Davis concern. It was a deep, aggressive growl she heard when she went to investigate what was making her dogs bark wildly. Misses Davis believed to be believed it to be the growl of a bear and compare the sound of that of a bear on exhibit she had seen at the Saint Louis Zoo.

45:16 Another strange event would take place in the same month in the town of Ergenes, Illinois, just 10 miles north of Murfreesboro, where Miss EG Steinhaimer would be too scared to open her back door after hearing a large creature stomp around on her back porch late at night. She had walked to the back door to check what was making her dogs bark wildly, but froze in fear when she heard heavy footfall lumbering around just on the other side of the door. Miss Steinheimer when not open the door that night and never learned the identity of the mysterious porch stomper. So actually, we'll, we'll take a break right there because I'm going to dive into the 1950s.

45:57 We'll we'll create another section of this. So what do you guys think? Definitely a bear or Bigfoot. One of those two, huh? They've. Got elk, right? It's kind of, it could be an elk. Not in southern Illinois, no, I don't think so. No, what other like big animals are over there? Big feats, Chevy 15 hundreds. That's about it. Mr. Beast eats people. Apparently he does. Apparently he does. What was the circumstances around that I. Don't know, he probably. Jeremy, it was Jeremy. Was talking about yeah, yeah or. Somebody he wasn't supposed to endorse and then boom, you know. Somebody, somebody leaked their their private chats within their little Mr. Beast groups and apparently he was talking about, you know, weird stuff with little kids and, and eating people.

46:52 Well, I guess if they ever look at our Twitch chats, we're all screwed. Booty hole first, yes. A long. Day that's so wild I never heard that yeah see if you guys aren't in live streaming us on twitch like you're missing out because we're dying in the chats right now but cannibalism all kinds. Of stuff the chat is just yeah I'm. Trying to be serious after you're asleep, you know, finding it taste like worms. OK. So I like that there's a lot of a lot of sightings and not just starting in the 70s.

47:38 It's like you said, all the surrounding areas where it's the same, probably the same creature, but it's just named different things. So if you were to look at Murfreesboro Monster, it's going to say first noted in 1970 or whatever, but if you look at all the other names of this creature, you get all the other dates and stuff like that. So that's good. That's, that's really good. And it would be interesting to look up Native American lore or stories or or mythologies or whatever from this area for this creature. And that would, in my mind, put a lot more weight into it being real.

48:19 But also that since there's so many sightings, they go back way, way further. That's that's good too. So that's what I look for. I mean, I've said it ad nauseam in multiple different episodes, but if this is your first episode, when I'm looking for something as far as like the validation of the realistic nature of a creature, Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, whatever, right? It really helps if the sightings don't just start at some time frame like the 90s or whatever it is. If it goes back way further, especially if there's Native American lore for it. Because these humans, you know, these people and culture societies, they, they knew what was in the woods. So yeah, they have their own mythologies. Like, you know, the moon rises every day or, or, or the sun rises every day because the fox jumps across the sky and grabs it and drags it over, you know, things like that. Oh, sure.

49:19 But when it comes to like their big hairy brothers that are in the woods and things like that, that aren't bare, that aren't, you know, whatever else they describe as like people essentially, but covered in hair, things like that, you'll find a lot of that. And for me, that solidifies it as maybe not now if there's hasn't been any recent sightings, but then, yeah, something was definitely there now as the proof of it, you know, is there biological proof? Unfortunately, that's where things kind of drop off the map, which sucks, right? But as far as, you know, claiming the realism of something.

50:04 But I really like it when there's a consistent pattern of sightings throughout history as far as like when people actually start reporting stuff and like the newspaper was something that could really be seen by a multitude of people versus just the town or whatever it is. And, you know, there's records of those sorts of things. But then also when it gets so far in that before this town or this city existed and there was only natives living there, that the natives of that area had lore or stories about the same type of creature, right, that these people are reporting. So that's cool. I like it. Yeah, I'm always suspicious if there's if. There's shows up.

50:47 Yeah, if the stories just pop up, especially like in the 1900s or something, right, or late 1800s, I'm usually pretty suspicious because it's when we start flying, that's when we start, you know, doing crazy tech and messing with electricity and like all kinds of other stuff. So, you know, there's like weird phenomena that people weren't used to seeing and hearing and all that kind of stuff at the time, right? So like you, you could probably explain away like half of all types of weird sightings. But yeah, going back, even ChatGPT didn't have anything for me on ancient lore or Native American lore on this one, right? Did you? Why are you laughing? Did you look too?

51:27 Did you ask chat? PT No, Yeah. No Google's wack bro all right but this? Is this is exactly what you're going to get from Jeff on his next episode, ChatGPT? Write me up a podcast episode lasting roughly an hour long on this topic, and that's what you're going to get. You know I hate that already. It's going to be like, yeah, the last one that you did where I'm just like. I won't. I wrote that for. You, because you don't say that stuff when you're speaking. I won't do it again, but I did do it once and that it was a great episode. It was a great episode, all right, and I did some tweaking. What happened to DuckDuckGo? DuckDuckGo doesn't update itself as much. Like I've noticed that some of the information isn't like as up to date, owned by Google probably I would imagine. All right.

52:19 Skeeter says what happened to Duck Duck to go. He already answered it. I just answered that. I wasn't listening because I was reading the comments. Furthermore, shut up, kid. Yeah, wow, that's hate speech. You can't say that. Kid, I would never tell you to shut up, kids. Offended. I meant that in a fun way it. Was a joke. Not ever. Crystal says pay attention Jake, you can't say that to me. I've got ADD. I have a disability and I'm offended now. Cancelled. I do like the idea of doing doing a highlights from the chat thing. Maybe we'll put on the back of the episode.

53:00 Spoiler alert, we're getting a producer soon. Hopefully we'll see. Maybe that could be a producer task to to highlight some chats at the end of the episode every every episode. Yeah, yeah, we're going to set that up. We're going to have to sit together and all have like a off stream meeting one night and get everything dialed in. We'll we'll make that part of the Patreon. You guys could be part of our off stream meetings if you if you're in the Patreon. Yeah, that'd be cool. Yeah, yeah. All right. You guys ready to to finish it out with the 50s and 60s? Yeah, let's go. Yeah, man, it's a, it's a pretty short section, so.

53:42 Teach me. Oh, you're about to get taught it. You ready? Oh, teach me so good. Teach me step bro. Help me step bro up. I'm stuck. Teach me, teach me every. I don't know how to read all right. Damn it dude, now I gotta stop. Just cracking up. Jesus. There's cracking up too. All right, Come on, man, Stop lagging. I'm. Working on it. I'm getting there all right. The 1950's, the 1950s started off with a bang.

54:23 Many different reports were being submitted throughout the area of Murfreesboro and its surroundings. The creature would seem to prefer the area around the Murfreesboro Iron and Metal Co where a local reporter for the Daily Independent would stake out on multiple nights to try and learn the true identity of the mysterious creature. There were apparently many run insurance that the reporter would have with the beast where it would be just outside of his line of sight, but eventually the creature seemed to move on from the area around the Steel and metal company and the reporter never learned of its true identity. 1958, Jackson County. The February 2nd, 1958 edition of the Southern Illinoisian published John Sherman's story of discovering perfectly shaped prints in the snow on the side of the road in Jackson County. Sherman would track the prints for a few miles to the fence of a pasture where the whatever left them seemed to walk back and forward a few times before seemingly jumping over the fence.

55:27 The prints were 7 1/2 inches long and five and a quarter inches wide with strides from 38 to 40 inches long. Many of the locals believed it to be a lion or a Mountain Lion, but an expert in large animal tracks from Southern Illinois University by the name of Doctor Klimstra was quoted on an issue of the Southern Illinoisian saying, quote, the tracks definitely are not those of a Mountain Lion or a cougar. The same report would state that he was convinced that it was from a very large animal in the Keenid family, but the identification of whatever left the tracks was never solidified. 1968 Herrin IL the headline stating quote 10 foot tall.

56:12 What's it reported seeing highlighted the cover of August 19th, 1968 edition of the Southern Illinois, alluding to an encounter just 10 miles east of Murfreesboro in the town of Herron. 22 year old Tim Bullock and his girlfriend, 17 year old Barbara Smith, were doing what young love does in a car on the side of the road near the woods when a clump of dirt was thrown in the open driver side window of Bullock's car. Tim Bullock attempted to look around in the shadows the tree line for the prankster that thought that they could get a laugh out of messing with him and Barbara, but he was never able to see anyone or anything. Barbara on the other hand would scream at the top of her lungs when she spotted a humongous black figure. She would later estimate it to be 10 feet tall. Walking around just past the tree line, she claimed that the thing's head was as large and round as his car's steering wheel.

57:14 Barbara's reaction was enough for Bullock to act and speed out of the area. The next day, Bullock would have returned find a large impression in the grasp where he believed that whatever it was may have laid down for an extended period. In the same article, two other reports would mention run insurance with a 10 foot tall bipedal something in the area between Chittyville and Heron. All right, that's all the reports we're going to do for tonight. Shitty Ville. Shitty, shitty, shitty. Ville. Shitty Ville. Yeah, this is a shitty Ville man. Where do you? Where do you live, oh shitty Ville?

57:55 There's a place over here called Taintsville. Yeah. Real true place. Real place. Oh. Jake what? That's. Crazy. Help me step bro I'm stuck in this wood chipper dying I. Didn't take my glasses off. I start fogging up my feet got so hot. It's freaking dying. And then Kenzer saying Jake stop I'm crying so hard. Laugh out loud. I was just, I was dying, bro. Skeeter Yeah. So the the one where the canid prints were found does allude to a dog man type creature. You know, we haven't dove into a Dog man topic in a while, in a very, very long while.

58:39 We should do that. We should do like Dog Man. Exclusively bipedal or or do they go on all fours as well They. They do go on all fours and they they are most found along the Mississippi Valley River area, Mississippi River Valley, which is there's a connection there. So from the research that I have done into the dog man phenomenon, there are two major points of origin for the dog man phenomenon here in the United States. You have one in the, the Upper Peninsula, Michigan's and down into Wisconsin where you get like the the beast of Beret Road and then you have the Rougarou down in southern Louisiana.

59:27 Now if you look at the history of upright walking canons or werewolves, you know of the such, you get the Lucaroux lore from France. France the the French word. From the rugaru and all that stuff, yeah. Yeah, So, and if you look at the two areas of the country that were first established by French populations, you have Louisiana and you have the Great Lakes area where they, they shipped in from the Atlantic Ocean. You know, they, they, they traveled along the Great Lakes area and they, they stayed, you know, eventually established pretty much primarily the Canadian side of the Great Lakes.

1:00:16 And that's where you get a lot of the French Canadians and everything. And I'm sure Kate can kind of clear that up for us too. She probably is better adept into the history of Canada and French Canada and. Canadia all around. But when you when you take that and you create a line from Michigan or at least the Upper Peninsula of Michigan down to Louisiana, for the most part it follows very closely to the Mississippi River. And when you align the, the sightings of dog men, which are primarily along the Mississippi River, it it that there's just too much coincidence there. I'm, I'm going to save my, my thoughts and feelings on that for when we actually do dive into the dog man phenomenon. But I, I always found that to be an interesting tidbit for the dog man.

1:01:15 And when you add Little Egypt and the, the counties in there, you, you do also get a ton of dog man encounters. And I, I specifically threw that one in there because I wanted to highlight that there are other creatures in this area, specifically dog man. Now dog man is a creature that has been spotted in Little Egypt quite a bit or in the southern southern Illinois counties. So I wanted to, to make sure I threw that out there. Skeeter, thanks for catching on that. I appreciate that means I did well and hopefully some other people catch that too. I think I'd like to do an episode on lycanthropism because I'm such a big monster fan. I think that would be really dope. And then I'm going to, I'm going to do the thing and see if I turn into werewolf.

1:02:06 I'm going to drink rainwater during a full moon out of a wolf's paw print and see if I either contract dysentery or turn into a werewolf. Either I turn into a werewolf or I crap my brains out. One of the two. There is a book by Brad Steiger called the werewolf book this right here, which I have already read. I've read this. I've had this book since before I started the infinite Rabbit hole, which is where I I gained a lot of my my theories from when it comes to dog man and and werewolves and such. So if you do ever want to do that, here's the book that you need to need to do your research. Programs borrow it from you 'cause this is tomorrow. Incredible book, Absolutely.

1:02:52 Incredible. Bring it to the bring it to the restaurant tomorrow and I'll borrow it from you. Yeah, absolutely. Because that'd be that'd be cool. I've the. Restaurant huge tomorrow. Werewolf guy. Yeah, restaurant. Well, yeah, I mean, I love all those sorts of movies. Like I'm the monster movie guy, right? So like my favorite movie series in that lion, I guess is like the underworld series. And then also what's the producers name? But the the newest wolfman movie? I mean it came out a few years ago, but it's it's good. What's Skeeter say? God.

1:03:32 Cool episode of three. Well, if I did it, it would be at least three episodes for sure. That's funny, yeah. At least. It's only a 70 page write up. Help me step around. I'm stuck in this write up. Oh, that's fucked up man. I have I have a couple other books that you you should probably grab too. I'll bring them tomorrow. We're going to go to to Milwaukee Burger tomorrow for veteran's day. They're giving out free burgers to vets. Me and Whitney are going to get cheese drunk. I'm going to eat a burger and eat it all. Bro, the first time we went there, holy crap, I went there with you guys and I got those giant cubed pepper Jack cheese curds.

1:04:19 I ate so much cheese that I almost like fell asleep. Amazing. I had like like a 12 ounce beer. It wasn't that. It was absolutely the amount of cheese that I had. My body was just like and shut down factory reset. See, when Jeff came up here for UFO days, we weren't able to do any of the cool, like touristy stuff. So if he ever does come back up, if we'll have to take him to Milwaukee Burger because we'll have to introduce him to what real cheese is. Not just the ones that you get assaulted by, but like actual. Cheese curds. Yeah, that that was aggressive cheese. Now I have to work tomorrow on Veteran's Day because somebody has to make the money that can be taxed so that you guys can enjoy the day off, man.

1:05:09 Yes. I'm happy to do it for you guys, man. Maybe we should cry about it with. Your just no no no I'm happy to do it bro. I just want you to have a slice of cheese in my honor. Slice bro I'm going to eat like 3 lbs of cheese. Yeah, have a bite for me and just. Remember that they have this sampler cheat, these cheese curd samplers, which are just phenomenal, man. They make pepper Jack cheese curds. That's that's an orgasm in your mouth. That's amazing. Remembrance Day, they call it Remembrance Day up there in Canadia. Help me step bro I've eaten too much cheese and I'm blacking that's. Weird Remembrance Day sounds like some hell divers propaganda shit. On Remembrance Day, will you remember the hell Divers? That's like some some what is it Hunger Games type stuff. Yeah, dude.

1:06:01 On Remembrance Day, we gather up 24 of your kids and make them fight to the death for riches and glory. Dude, cheese sticks. Oh, I got cheese sticks in the fridge, don't I? The producer says. We got cheese sticks in the fridge. All right, look, dude. Bet you're not as good as the cheese sticks that you got hit in the face with. Those were pretty good. Those were pretty good. All right, so for anyone who doesn't know. All right, so when we were doing the Elmwood thing, the UFO days, the last day there was a parade, and one of the 11 of the parade floats was for the cheese. Ellsworth Cheese Factory.

1:06:44 Elsworth cheese that's just like, it's a local cheese manufacturer, all that sort of stuff. But they had coolers of cheese curds and I don't like string cheese and stuff like that. And then milk as well. And they were like overhand freaking 90 mile an hour pitches throwing these bag of cheese curds at people so hard that Jeremy's wife Katie got like cut by a bag right, like right in the. Face man. Just nailed her in the face and sliced her open and let me tell you, I ate that one and it was it was great Is amazing. I'm pretty sure like. Didn't it like almost knock the laptop over like? Dude, they were just hauling him at us. So it smacked the back of the laptop and there was like this nice little ring on the the picture for like 3 minutes before it finally faded away.

1:07:38 Like they were, they were chucking those things at you. Yeah, that was so Nope. And then and then like the nice ladies come in afterwards and like, would you like some chocolate milk? And it's like, well, I guess I'll wash down some of this aggressiveness with some chocolate milk. I think I had I had taken one too many chocolate milks from that nice lady. Yeah, those are good chocolate milks too. I was as aggressive as they were throwing the cheese. I was that aggressive getting those chocolate milks from her. Yeah. Crystal asks in the chat, well she said cheese made from Bigfoot milk or someone said that. Crystal said can you milk a Bigfoot and Skeeter says if it's got nipples you can.

1:08:21 Pinzer says you can milk anything so long as it has nipples. Laugh out loud. For those of my. Questions the same thing here would be what do you mean by milking a Bigfoot? Like what? What general is mostly like you're milk are? You like this? Yeah, are you, are you milking it or are you milking it? Like what's going on? Family show here, Jake. We're talking about family. Show I think we've established by deep fried human butt holes that this is not a family show, Crystal says. Whoa. Clearly because she's never thought about. Two hands for. Sure we died 2 hands for sure see look look y'all if you aren't following us on twitch and you're just seeing this on YouTube or whatever it is I mean this would be dope if like the chat stream and stuff was parallel to the YouTube videos, but like you guys are missing out because we're we're cracking up here because of the chat like. We can overlay it.

1:09:15 We have to overlay it on here. There's so, yeah, there's so much lost context. No, no, we need to not overlay it because we need to make sure that people come to the Twitch. That's the goal, right? We want to get people on the Twitch. We want to. Airpoint. People live. Crystal's two handed Milky. You know they say about big feet, big socks. Yeah, they do. Big stocks, big shoes too, probably. Shit, all right. Danny says. I'm laughing so hard I can't see straight.

1:09:56 Bro this Twitch thing is like the best thing we've done. Isn't it all right? Isn't it? Back to the episode. The episode's I'm. Not well, I as far as like wrapping it up, we we went straight into the the chat and stuff like that. I. We got a whole another Part 2 to do next Sunday. Yeah, but still, I'm like, I'm like 90% sure that this thing's real. Oh, I think it is. Do the do the sightings, I mean without getting too far too far into it, do the sightings like continue into like recent years? Yes. Or kind of just drop off. I'll, I'll read off the topics that we'll go over next. Next Sunday we're going to go into the 1970s. Obviously we're going to do the, the big sightings of the 1970s and then we're going to, there's a couple other topics that we dive into that are specific big sightings. One's called the salvage yard, and then we dive into modern sightings, which I dive right into, like the stuff from BFRO. Part 2 is female Bigfoot milk farms dude. Yes, got us.

1:11:07 Oh. My gosh, female Bigfoot milk farms. Look, if we capture a female Bigfoot, I promise you that I will throw that milk up on Amazon so everyone can get a taste, you know I'm saying. After this episode, I guarantee you Twitch updates its terms of service and. We're talking about milk. No more talking about mythological creatures nipples when you're when you're bringing milk and cheese and stuff. Yeah, Crystal. No, we're talking about milk and those big feats. Weirdo. I might lick your boyfriend in asleep but you better not be milking them big feets. She's like, oh God.

1:11:54 Fuck TRT, we got Bigfoot milk on here. It's like labels like bone broth. Oh my gosh, remind me of that freaking that movie animal from gosh who? Who is it? It was. Squatch milk. Jeff, what was the actor? Dude, we should make a protein bar and protein shakes. Actor from what? Animal what? The fuck are you talking about? He's a he's a comedian. He's a Jew, he's a comedian. Oh the the Jewish comedian guy. Yeah, I know you're talking about. Come on, bro. Anyway, they're like, the whole promo was like badger milk that you're supposed to like get all these incredible gains from drinking badger milk and he's like, that's a.

1:12:38 Good badger milk, you know. What I'm saying what? The Who the fuck? Oh my gosh. It's ringing a bell. I don't know, it's been a while. I'm. Going to look at it. Anyways. Real man of genius. Hey you guys want to see Skeeter's UFO? Yeah, you want to bring it up? Yeah, I'll bring it up. Bring it up bro. Rob Snyder. Rob Snyder. Hey, guy. Well, sending me messages. So while you're while we're waiting on that, I want to announce something a little bit of a change that's going to happen with the show here. Starting January 1st. I'm going to backseat some of my major research for some of the episodes on this show.

1:13:23 So we're going to be leaning heavily on guests and you know, having some some bigger names from the community come on to the show. I need to take some time put to put aside for writing my book. I, I, I would really, really like to have it out by July when it come time for UFO days. I think that the more realistic time frame will be for next year's or for 2026's UFO days, but still would like to try. So just just know that once we do the the two year anniversary episode on January 14th, which is my birthday by the way, 200th episode on my birthday, that will be the last episode where I dive into research heavily to make sure that I have topics out on time for you guys. For now on, it's just going to come as at whenever I can. I'll always be researching a topic for you guys, but I won't be able to dedicate as much time because I need to shift over into author mode and get my first book knocked out. So just want to make sure you guys are all in the loop on that.

1:14:38 You guys are aware of the changes coming to the show. So this is the video that Skeeter posted, right? I also want to sign copy. If you don't give me a signed copy, I'm burning your house down. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. We we should replay these, we should have Skeeter on and replay these so that he can explain what's going on here. Yeah, we should. Oh, there he is. He's explaining it. Can't see the white. I can see the one. Huh. I love the. Area that we live in, in the chat, it really doesn't show in the video well. The the area that we live in is is nuts, man. I love it. We there's some really weird shit that happens here. For those of you who don't know, Skeeter I believe has nipples, so if you want you could probably milk them.

1:15:23 Interesting. Yeah. It's unfortunate that we can never get like a good clear video, man. It's like, and it's nobody's fault, right? Like you're not, nobody knows it's going to have, you can't have a tripod and your nice camera setup ready for this thing that you know, pop up and be in focus and all that shit. So it's understandable, but it's like fuck. You know, why are you yelling? What's what's going on? I didn't hear any of that stuff that you just said. I was reading the chat. It seems like Skeeter has a pretty, pretty good record of seeing things in the sky. Jake, maybe we just need to go out there and take a look one day. Yeah, dude, road trip if he has a guest measure and I can share it. But the video sucks.

1:16:08 It's yeah, man. We'll have to get a good camera and zoom in on shit like that. That'd be interesting. I want I want to see a light split into multiple lights and then come back together. That would be. Dude, Skeeter, even if you have an expensive camera, like again, you, you have to be like, you know, tripod out info because you have to know how you know how far it's going to be, when it's going to be just to be ready. Yeah, even with a good camera, you're not going to get a good shot of these things, man. No, man, I love it too, Kendra. When are you going to come back on the show? Keep keep us updated with these videos Skeeter. Seriously, man, I, I know I can't, I can't get back to you all the time. Skeeter is one of one of the few listeners that we have a, a private chat with and he he sends us some videos and they're, they're pretty sweet man. But what was that?

1:16:58 It was. Some something, some some light in the sky, man for those who died, said. Scary stuff, man. What the hell was that? So Skeeter, if you want to answer that, but from what I, from what I get from it, it was just a, you know, strange, strange light in the sky that split up into multiple lights. And yeah, Skeeter's, Skeeter's been doing leg work for us, man. Can I send you my video and then you screen share it? You can do it. You can screen share it. You can screen share it. Well, send it to send it to the group chat. Yeah, send it to the group chat.

1:17:40 See. They probably came to. Folks are just going to have to hang out for a bit. Yeah, like you guys, Jake has a really, really cool video. Was that that was in Virginia, right? Yeah, that was on Oceana. That's just to Trump's president back. We're going to learn all to find this about the aliens. So basically maybe. November 13th, man, they're doing another, another Congress briefing and we should, we should go live. We should go live. And that's the whole thing. I still don't, you know, I say this at every time we talk about UFOs, man. I still think it's just propaganda leading us into like a Project Bluebeam type situation, right? And I don't know where I heard this. I was listening to something and they were talking about Project Blue Beam.

1:18:28 And the guy made a good point. He's like, you know, you have like the urban legend of Project Blue Beam, which is the one that we know about, the holographic images in the sky, blah, blah, blah. Well, like, the real thing is probably not quite that, right? It's going to be more of like what we're seeing in real time. And he was saying that there was some intelligence person from the CIA who in like 1999 said that, you know, he came out on record saying like, hey, the next thing is going to be like extraterrestrial threats. And then you. Want me to play it? It was like, it's been 25 years, so how's it going, right? Just to add some context. So I was over on NES Oceana Naval Air Station Oceana, which is a naval base.

1:19:11 It's half Navy, half Marines. But anyway, so in Oceana, Virginia, and we, I was out in the smoke pit basically, I think a Zebo area outside of the barracks and me and probably about 40 other people were outside barbecuing. We were playing music and we all saw this. And, you know, some people said maybe it was parachutists, parachuters and things like that, but they had flight OPS going on. So I, I'm not certain about that. And it was right over the base and no one in the aviation community knew what was going on. No one had like, even like the helicopter guys that were there weren't like, yeah, you know, this was obviously, you know, plan and stuff like that.

1:19:55 We knew we were going to be dropping parachuters out, but this was right over our our base and it was, it was pretty dope. But like if the video had continued, it was just a bunch of people like, well, what the heck is that? Was that right type stuff? So anyway, yeah. Sweet, you ready? Yep, go for it. Yeah, I've seen some weird stuff around military bases, but that was the only one that I got to record. I saw something that was silver metallic, like I, I couldn't tell you what it was. There was a, it was reflecting the sunlight and stuff, and it was just sitting right over one of the hills over in Southern California. Was over there in station in Point Magoo in Ventura, CA.

1:20:37 But I was driving right when I saw it, so I wasn't able to just whip out my phone to start recording it and stuff like that. Like it was, it was kind of weird. But yeah, I've seen definitely seen some stuff around military bases, but that's the only video that I have of like, you know, the weird stuff and, you know, honestly, like, like, I'll be real. Like it could be explained away. Like, you know, there could have been some OPS going on or something like that. And they were in fact Seals or whatever and they had flares on their, on their stuff. But I, I think that generally the flares are red. They're not white, but also like you said. They don't. They do not do it during flight OPS. Right. So we had jets going and all sorts of stuff. It was just really very strange.

1:21:21 And I was like, so you could explain it, but for, for everyone that was sitting there from all different squadrons just at this barracks, it was just kind of weird, you know, they were like, I don't know of anything going on right now. Yeah, I I don't, I don't buy the IT was just some some random flight UPS. I agree with Gator swamp swamp gas reflecting off of Venus. That's probably exactly what it was. Yep. Yep, Spoiler alert, everybody. All right, well, that has been another episode of the Infinite Rabbit all. Do you guys have anything else to put out before we sign off for the night? Yeah, I mean, if you guys would just ten of us in the chat still here, if we could all just do me a favor, hop on over to Shadow Band Pod on Twitch, me a couple of follows over there. I will be live on Tuesday, Tuesday night, 8:00-ish Eastern. Kids always there for those who dies usually there. That's all I got, Danny says.

1:22:28 Truly awesome. And don't milk Bigfoot or if you do videos, just saying. Can't promise that. Shadow band pod here. I'll just I'll chat in the in the thing, Danny, and you could just click on my name in the chat and it'll bring you to my page, Jeff. What are you going to have me on Shadow band? When are you going to have me on Shadow Band? You want to come on Tuesday? What time? 8 Eastern. Is 7 for us? Hi. Oh, I'll hit you up beforehand. Well, we still have to figure out we're going to do a crossover event. We got to, we got to get Creamer involved in that too. Hell yeah.

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