202. The Murphysboro / Big Muddy Monster Part 2

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Welcome back to the incident
Rabbit Hole.

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I'm your host, Jeremy.
Today we're going to finish up

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our coverage on the Murfreesboro
slash Big Muddy Monster.

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We're going to start off with
some sightings from the 70s, but

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before that, let's go ahead and
say hello to the Co host,

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Jeffrey.
How's it going, man?

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It's.
Going, bro, Yeah.

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How's it going with you?
It's going tired dude.

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I'm 45 pages into my book
writing.

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You're writing.
Yeah, that's sick dude.

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And happy for you bro.
I'm absolutely exhausted.

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I would probably pass out right
now if I could.

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If you fall asleep, we're
putting it on Patreon.

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It'll just let people watch you
sleep.

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That's fine dude, if I fall
asleep put me on the Internet,

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that's cool.
Also, I'm sponsored by Northwest

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Root Beer 0 Sugar because it was
the only thing that was in the

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fridge to drink today.
We're going to get sued so hard.

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All right.
Moving on, Jacob.

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Hello, Sir.
Yes, Sir.

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Hello, Sir.
Jeff's not just tired, he's also

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upset because I just kicked his
hippie lifestyle in the face

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through a barrage of opinions.
Complete facts that can't be

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argued against because they're
absolutely true.

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So, you know, because I'm
awesome.

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Someone call me the best.
I can't be Trump.

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I'm not sponsored by, but I am
drinking Buchanan's Deluxe 12

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year old blended Scotch whiskey,
so that's cool.

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With a spotted cow as a backup.
I'm kind of bummed today because

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I'm trying to sell my bed cap
and the guy who was supposed to

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come over completely ghosted me.
Like AD bag, which I'm kind of

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sick of.
That stuff sucks.

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Yeah, they hear, Yeah.
Well, that'll teach you.

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Oh and I like to gesticulate so
if anyone sees I'm wearing a a

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wrist brace, don't freak out in
the chat.

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I didn't hurt myself.
I have carpal tunnel.

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It makes my hands go numb.
So I have to wear a wrist brace

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and I need to start wearing it
more often so.

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That's wearing it as a fashion
statement.

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He's trying to bring back his
emo phase and he thought that

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wearing one of those cool arm
sleeves would be the thing.

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Listen, it's all.
It's part of the bigger plan.

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I gotta do it like this.
I gotta bring it all forward.

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It's not.
It's being like the night.

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I'm not for you.
I got it's not really working

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out.
Yeah, it's not a phase, mom.

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This is who I really am.
I talk in upward inflections.

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I talk in a Valley girl accent.
I'm from California.

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Look at you man.
Look at me getting comfortable

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with yourself.
I like it.

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Was it a phase, Jeff?
I know it's listen, I'm still in

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the phase myself.
Or I know you're still a hippie.

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Gross.
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The 1970s.
July 1972 in Cairo, IL Leroy

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Summers was out jogging along
the levee on the western shore

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of the Ohio River in Cairo, IL
on the evening of July 25th,

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1972 when he witnessed a large
bipedal creature standing at

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least 10 feet tall with whitish
Gray hair covering its body with

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what looked like a red stain on
its stomach next to a nearby

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brick building.
Whatever it was, it had a very

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large head and it was Summers's
belief that the red stain on his

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belly was clay or dirt from the
area, but also could have been

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an Auburn colored spot of body
hair or fur.

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June 1973.
Prairie de Roche On the night of

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June 8th, 1973, thebfro.net
reports the story of a woman who

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is out sleeping under the stars
with her horse and her German

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Shepherd.
She had picked out a clean

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location near a large sinkhole
and set up camp with a small

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fire and a skillet of bacon
frying in the pan.

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The spot where she sat was only
10 feet away from the sinkhole,

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which had a large 20 foot tree
growing out from it with the

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tips extending a few feet past
the lip of the hole.

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At some point early on in the
night, a whining sound began

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emanating from the sink hole and
the trees that were growing from

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it Within 6 inch wide trunks
were shaking violently and an

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awful smell permeated the air.
Her German Shepherd alerted

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towards the noise and her horse
began to nay and stomp.

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Quickly the whining became more
of a growl and then they

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expanded into a full out scream
which caused her to throw dirt

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on the fire and get out of the
area as fast as she could.

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There are multiple things this
could have been, but due to the

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way the trees were shaking and
the sheer power behind the

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screams, she believes that
whatever it was, it was massive.

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June 1973.
Murfreesboro, Illinois Later in

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the month on June 25th, the
Monster made one of its most

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well known appearances in the
lore and records of the

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Murfreesboro Monster. 19 year
old Randy Needham and 28 year

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old Judy Johnson were parked by
the boat ramp in Riverside Park

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in Murfreesboro in Needham's car
making out when a large 7 to 8

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foot bipedal man shaped figure
was spotted by Needham walking

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from the direction of the Big
Muddy River covered head to toe

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in mud.
Needham and Johns left

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immediately took their time
driving the Murfreesboro Police

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Department.
The reason for the delay was

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that Judy Johnson was married to
another man and did not want to

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make the report and risk getting
caught in her affair.

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In fact, both of them were
married and we're having an

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affair at the time.
But eventually she gave in and

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the two reported the incident to
the police station.

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At 11:55 PM that night, Officers
Jimmy Nash and M Lindsay were

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dispatched and began the
investigation of the scene.

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There they found multiple large
prints in the mud on the shore

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of the freshly receded Big Muddy
River, even snapping a few and

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including them in the official
Murfreesboro Police report #73

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TACK 2547.
The prints were all very

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different, with the average size
being 10 to 12 inches long and

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three to four inches deep in the
mud, with strides from very

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close together to five to six
feet apart.

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Other than the prints, there was
nothing else that was found to

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be unusual.
At around 3:00 AM, the

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investigation would take a turn
to the strange when Officer Nash

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was bent over investigating a
print in the mud.

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A loud scream would belt out
from the nearby trees, loud

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enough for Nash to pull out a
service pistol.

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But as he drew his weapon, he
dropped the gun into the mud

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before he and newly on scene
Officer Scott ran away as fast

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as they could and took off in
their cruisers.

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Nash, who had returned later to
recover his weapon, explained

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that it was his belief that this
scream had not come from an owl,

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coyote, or any other animal that
he knows of.

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This report is considered to be
one of the hallmark encounter

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stories of the Murfreesboro
monster due to the risk the

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reporters would have to take to
report such an incident during

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their Black Ops make out
session.

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The physical evidence recorded
with the official police report

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and the scream that was loud and
threatening enough to make 2

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police officers leave without
retrieving one of their weapons

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after dropping it.
Now there is one asterisk that I

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would like to add to the story.
When reading Chad Lewis, Noah

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Voss and Kevin Lee Nelsons book
The Big Muddy Monster Legends

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Sightings and Other Strange
Encounters.

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Chad Lewis includes a section of
a chapter on the possibility

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that this particular event was a
hoax played on the unsuspecting

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adulterers in the car that night
by the boat landing.

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A man that Chad Lewis used with
a pseudonym Willie for was a

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known costume designer in the
area in 1973.

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This Willie character would
claim that he was responsible

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for the sighting that night when
he and a group of friends

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dressed him up in a monster suit
that he had created, smashed

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some mud on the suit, and spread
what they referred to as quote

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UN quote monster stink juice
around the boat ramp to try and

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mimic the reports that were
being filed of the Murfreesboro

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monster at the time.
He would make this original

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claim while being interviewed
for a book titled History,

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Mystery and Hauntings of
Southern Illinois by Bruce and

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Lisa Klein and was the first
source to use the pseudonym for

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the man.
But Lewis points out a flaw in

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the in the story that is
provided by Willie.

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In 2019 when this book was
published, it had been over 45

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years since the sighting at
Riverside Parks boat landing and

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the statue of limitations for
petty crimes like disturbing the

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peace would have long expired.
So the claim made by Willie for

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the sake secrecy and the
unwillingness to come forward in

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a more public manner for fear of
legal repercussions doesn't make

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sense.
June 1973.

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Murfreesboro, Illinois.
The very next night,

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Murfreesboro police report
#73TAC2566.

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Only 19 reports after the
previous one mentioned, and

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about 24 hours later outlined
two other reports of an unknown

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IPO creature covered in white
hair.

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The first sighting was by a five
year old boy named Christian

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Beryl who was playing in the
backyard when he came running

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into the house crying that he
just saw a very large ghost

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outside.
Just 10 minutes later, teenagers

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Randy Creeth and Cheryl Ray were
sitting in the front porch of

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Ray's house when they watched a
large white creature walk out of

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the tree line on two legs.
Creeth reported the creature as

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being 7 to 8 feet tall and
estimated it weighing between

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300 and 350 lbs and described it
as having dirty white hair with

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very large shoulders and arms
and what were described as self

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illuminating red eyes.
But the red eyes are a detail

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that not all retellings
mentioned that are included in

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this official report.
Ray's mother would be the first

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to call the police and make the
report, and officers Nash and

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Man Worrying, as well as the
local dog handler by the name of

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Jerry Nellis were dispatched to
the neighborhood.

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There they found a path that
something big had taken.

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The growth was stopped down and
a clear pathway could be seen

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showing exactly where the
creature was coming from and

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where it was going.
Nellis's dog, Reb, discovered

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multiple small piles of a black
slimy substance along the path.

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The creature took down the hill
and every time the dog found a

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new spot, it would hesitate
before approaching, something

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Nellis claimed was strange for
Reb to do Ultimately, Red LED

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three men to the barn of Ralph
Fuller, but was completely

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unwilling to enter the building,
which was another strange

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occurrence.
According to Nellis, The two

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officers would search the barn
but were unable to find anything

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out of the ordinary.
July 1973.

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Murfreesboro, Illinois On July
7th, 1973, the Miller Carnival

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was in town and was set near the
Big Muddy River with the boat

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ramp from the June 25th sighting
that caused an officer to drop

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his weapon in the mud in the
backdrop.

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At about 2:00 AM, four carnival
workers witnessed a large quote

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7 to 8 foot tall creature on two
legs estimated to be between 300

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and 400 lbs standing at the
fence of the pony field.

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Just standing there and watching
the ponies.

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It would disappear after the
carnival workers tracked down

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the owner, but would reappear at
about 3:00 AM in almost the same

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spot, still very interested in
the ponies.

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It's unclear if the creature was
looking at the animals for

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entertainment or as a possible
food source, but the encounter

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almost went unreported due to
the fear that it would scare

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patrons away, as the owner only
mentioned the strange event in

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passing to a few police officers
who attended the carnival.

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Officer Nash was yet again and
one of the officers involved and

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he took it seriously enough to
file another official report for

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the event. 1974 the 1979.
Many other small reports would

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be recorded throughout the rest
of the 70's.

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The white haired, bipedal,
enormous creature would be

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described by witnesses from all
over the area.

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Some reports specifically
claimed that the thing looked

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like a large white gorilla as
reported by 4 separate truckers

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just West of Murfreesboro in
1975.

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Another sighting in 1975 by a
few frog hunters described it as

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large, white and shaggy. 3
teenage boys in September of

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1974 would pull over an attempt
to track down the culprit of a

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horrible smell in the air near
the Trail of Tears State Forest

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South of Murfreesboro, where
they spotted a large white

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bipedal creature with a head
they estimated as being one to

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two feet wide with piercing blue
eyes.

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When investigators arrived, they
found enormous tracks that

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resembled those of a dog.
Then there were some reports

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that claim that the creature was
jet black, like the sighting

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report on Happy Hollow Rd. in
the fall of 1975 or the sighting

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in Plum Field in September of
1977.

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There were a lot of consistent
details, along with the

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inconsistency of the color.
Whatever it or they were, they

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were loud.
Loud enough to scare off armed

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hunters with hunting dogs.
It stunk.

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And it was huge, with almost all
reports detailing at least a 7

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foot tall creature, with a few
mentioning 10 feet or greater.

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So that's it for the 70s.
What do you guys think?

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That was a lot of fucking
sightings.

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I want to go back to the one
where we were talking about the

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statute of limitations being up
and that kind of like making the

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story like bullshit.
I don't think so because I

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don't, I don't necessarily think
a lot of people even know what

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the statute of limitations are
for a lot of crimes.

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So maybe he just thought it
wasn't 1, you know, didn't even

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know that was a fucking thing.
So apparently this guy had been

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approached multiple times about
the statute of limitations and,

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you know, was explained what it
was and was like, hey, man, why

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don't you just come forward in
some sort of official, you know,

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setting and not just in an
interview with an author.

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Why don't you go, you know, put
this story to bed so that, you

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know, people can have answers to
questions that they might have

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and he refused to.
So I mean, although I agree with

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you, you know, I don't know,
maybe something in the back of

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his mind is being like, yeah, I
could probably still get in

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trouble for that.
That's a good possibility.

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Or just the?
Social stick, You know I don't

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know you.
Yeah, there's.

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Plenty of reasons why somebody
wouldn't, you know, necessarily

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come forward, I guess.
Well, whatever, I don't know.

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It doesn't.
The only thing I'm saying that

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doesn't blow that one out of the
water for me, because as soon as

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you said that he was like a
known costume maker, I'm like,

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all right bro.
Like it was probably.

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Like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not
putting this to bed.

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I'm not on the other side on
that one.

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Where you're talking about the
trees that were that were being

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shook around and shit like that.
Monkeys.

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Apes maybe?
Or or or a Bigfoot.

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I mean, could be sure, right?
I said on the last episode I

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thought it was probably a
Bigfoot, but I'm just saying,

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like, could it have been an ape
of some kind?

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I mean, I know here in Florida
there's been instances of apes

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being in the wild because
they've escaped zoos or been

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let.
Out There's 8 monkeys still at

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large in South Carolina.
They're the AIDS monkeys.

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But have you ever seen like any
type of ape, like moving through

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the jungle quickly, whether
they're playing or doing

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something aggressively, like
they'll grab and swing on

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smaller trees and like those
trees move and.

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Like I'm gonna tell you, it's
embarrassing how many videos of

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monkeys and apes I've watched
to, to try to breakdown Bigfoot

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videos and stuff like that.
Honestly, before I did the

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podcast, I, I had a YouTube
channel that I'd started, but I

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had never uploaded a video to
it.

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But basically what I wanted to
do was to dissect Bigfoot videos

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and clip in videos of like apes,
gorillas, rantans, chimps doing

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similar walks and then also
humans doing walks and costumes

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that it could have been like,
you know, I wanted to really do

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a fake or fact.
Sort of thing with Bigfoot

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videos and the amount of fucking
videos that I watched is

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embarrassing.
So yes, there are there are

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plenty, plenty of of reports of
monkeys and apes going missing

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or free or, you know, escaped
from some sort of private

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residence collection, rarely
from zoos.

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And then the the big one in the
Sixties, 70s and 80s, which I

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believe is more of an urban
legend than anything.

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I'm sure one or one or two had
them, but every single time,

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every single Bigfoot urban
legend that you hear Big Muddy

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Momo, Falk monster, Skunk ape,
honey island swat monster, the

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Lorelei doesn't matter what it
is.

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Everybody or every one of these
topics has a urban legend story

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about a train derailment full of
zoo animals.

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That or carnival animals that
that you know, the this like I I

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believe it was the Honey Island
swat monster where the, the

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train was derailed and the chimp
group that was on the train

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mated with the local alligator
population and created this

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monkey alligator hybrid
creature.

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Yeah, like if you look up, if
you look up the Honey Island

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swamp monster, it's also a
Bigfoot type creature, but it's

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it's footprints are three toed
and looks more reptilian than

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anything, in fact.
Definitely government chimera.

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Not a not a fucking fucking
alligator, that's not.

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Happening this up Honey Island
swamp monster.

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You know, I'm just saying like
we'll get to.

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Mate with with great apes, yeah,
but somehow it's going to go

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with a alligator, OK.
Right.

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But you could probably in a
laboratory splice the genetics

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and create something new.
Well.

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Probably in a lab, not naturally
well.

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Right.
Fun fact, Jeff, I don't know if

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you ever heard the very first,
well, the episode 1 of the

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Infinite Rabbit Hole one and
two, but we did it on the

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Hunting Island swamp monster in
the Roogaroo.

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And because my buddy from the
Navy, Mike, is actually from

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Slidell, Louisiana, and if we
ever wanted to go down there and

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research this thing, we have an
in, we can totally go down there

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and he would house us here.
This is sort of a good picture

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of it.
See what we got here for you

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guys Doo Doo.
If you guys come down here man,

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hang out.
We got some swamp creatures we

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could look for down here.
So this is.

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I want to hunt one of them swamp
creatures.

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I.
Don't know if you guys can see

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that OK, but this is this is one
of the one of the more famous

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prints of the honey on swamp
monster right here.

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But there's also a track way
and.

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That's not a Cathy bar F foot.
No, there's no cabin Paris in

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Louisiana.
I don't think so.

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Oh, right here.
This thing.

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Here you go.
See this Right here.

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Yeah.
That so the the urban legend

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here is that the Hunting Island
swamp monster is a hybrid

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between escaped chimps from a
carnival train and the local

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population of alligators.
Goodness gracious.

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Yeah.
So we'll we'll dive back into

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that one at some point.
Can you break down this?

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I want to say it's 1973.
The couple that were having an

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affair and doing the good old
make out sesh.

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It says police report number
732547 or yeah, 2547.

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The prints were all very
different with the average size

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being 10 to 12 inches long and
three to four inches deep in the

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mud with strides very close to
together to five to six feet

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apart.
So is that saying that they

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didn't think that the Prince had
anything to do with the with the

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the siding or that they thought
they did because it it doesn't

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the 11:50 inches long isn't
crazy.

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Three to four inches deep in the
mud.

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That's, you know, I guess
depending on the density of the

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mud or how wet it is.
But the five to six, five to six

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foot strides, that's the crazy
part.

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Yeah, that's huge, right?
That's like.

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That's like an Olympic sprinter,
you know?

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So with feet 10 to 12 inches
long and a stride 5 to 6 feet,

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that's like these little little
dancer feet with these long cast

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dancer legs, like on stilts or
something.

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It's it's nuts.
So this is the report, right?

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This one and one that we're
going to get into here soon.

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Dealing with a a junkyard like
thing or junkyard like location.

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I can't exactly remember what
they what it was.

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It was some we'll get into it in
a minute.

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Those are the two big sightings,
you know, like you have one or

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two, possibly three big ones
with every urban legend story

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that we have that we've ever
covered.

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Really this is the one, right.
So later we'll get into the

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festival that they have there,
the Big Muddy festival, and it

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is specifically held at
Riverside Park next to this boat

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ramp.
The one that this this sighting

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happens at.
It's specifically held there for

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the reason of it being in the
the location of the biggest

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sighting ever recorded.
Now there are people that come

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out and say that the reason why
they have footprints that are so

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big, or, I'm sorry, so different
in sizes and, and dealing with

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different stride lengths and
everything is because you had a

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group of kids down there or
teenagers or young adults

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messing around.
And that this guy's story of him

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being in the, the costume is
true.

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And that all you're seeing is
the the footprints of all of his

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buddies down there helping him
out with the prank.

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And that's where you would get
the different size feet.

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That's where you would get the
the different striations.

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Now, As for the five to six foot
ones, I don't know.

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I don't know how many there was
and how how long that trackway

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was.
Was this something where there

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could have been other prints in
the way and it just wasn't as

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clear.
But it just kind of gave the

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illusion that it was 5 to 6 feet
long.

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Maybe possibly.
It's not clear.

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I did.
There are some pictures of this

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and it I'm going to tell you
right now it does not look like

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pictures whatsoever or I'm
sorry, it doesn't look like

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pictures.
These pictures don't look like

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pictures.
It doesn't look like feet prints

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like human foot feet prints at
all.

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I.
Think the other thing is while

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you're looking for that if they
were.

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Escaped monkeys or apes or what?
Excuse me, If they were escaped

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monkeys or apes, they would be
definitive footprints that are

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monkey or ape like.
So basically like handprints.

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Yeah, right.
Because they have the opposable

448
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,000
thumb on their feet.
So they wouldn't look like

449
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,560
Bigfoot feet prints, which look
like ours with the exception of

450
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:09,080
the mid tarsal break.
It would be basically big

451
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,800
handprints, right.
So that's, that's the thing that

452
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,760
kind of draws me away from the
idea that there's escaped white

453
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,960
gorillas running around out
there because the footprints, if

454
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,480
they ever got a footprint, would
look like a gorilla footprint,

455
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,240
not a Bigfoot footprint.
Yeah.

456
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,680
Which actually I think it's kind
of weird.

457
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:33,400
Do we know if Gigantopithecus
had gorilla feet or human feet?

458
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,920
I don't know.
That's a good question, because

459
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,480
that's, I would think that the
Gigantopithecus or the

460
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,560
Australopithecus.
No, it didn't.

461
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,560
I, I would think that it had
more human like looking feet,

462
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:53,400
because I want to say that it
was closer to, I mean, I, it was

463
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,600
under the pan genus, but I want
to say it had a lot more

464
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:02,680
attributes to the Homo genus,
which would, you know, have the

465
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,720
characteristics of a human more
than the pan.

466
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,360
But here, I, I don't know if you
guys can see this very well in

467
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,080
the camera, but that is a
picture of one of the prints

468
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,080
right there in in Louis Foss and
Nelson's book.

469
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,000
And as you can see that it looks
like somebody just hit it with a

470
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,840
stick.
It's not, yeah, it's, it's

471
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,840
really weird.
And then here's a here's the

472
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,240
other one here.
These are the only two pictures

473
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,520
apparently that exist for these
these prints.

474
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,320
But as you can see, like right
here, that's a that's a pine

475
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,720
needle right there.
So it's not big, you know, it's,

476
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,640
it's.
Gigantopithecus was like a giant

477
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,280
orangutan, yes.
Yes.

478
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,480
It was had orangutan shaped
feet.

479
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,560
Did it?
I mean it makes.

480
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,080
Sense it might blow a hole in
this whole thing.

481
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,400
So that means that Bigfoot would
have to be something else

482
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,960
entirely because why would it?
Why would you know, like let's

483
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:04,720
be real, the evolution, if we're
going to say evolution, but the

484
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:11,120
evolution of hands on your feet,
especially if you live in the

485
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,440
wooded tree type areas is like
way better than not having hands

486
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,680
for feet.
So why would they ever lose

487
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,280
that?
So are you.

488
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,720
You're looking at
Gigantopithecus.

489
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,040
Yeah, because my whole thing has
always been that like the

490
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:34,840
Gigantopithecus came over the
ice bridge with, you know, all

491
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,600
the people going into North
America and stuff like that.

492
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,080
And maybe they're smaller than
they used to be, or maybe

493
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,040
they're the same size and people
just spot young ones that are

494
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,240
kind of dumb and just kind of
out there goofing off.

495
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,320
But either way, things don't
change that fast.

496
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:56,000
So if that was, you know, I
don't know, 10,000 years ago,

497
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,720
that's, I don't think that's
enough time to lose a, a toe or

498
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,000
to have it move to a different
part of the foot even, you know,

499
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,120
because I definitely believe in,
in microevolution.

500
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:12,360
That's just adaptation, right?
Versus macro evolution, which is

501
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,840
like straight on one species to
another.

502
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,960
But even through adaptation, I
don't know if that's enough

503
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,120
time.
Yeah, it's it's definitely not.

504
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,760
I can't wait for episode 200.
Yeah, I think it's going to be

505
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:33,240
so much fun.
So, so that there's a, there's a

506
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,760
couple, really there's there's a
couple species that are pointed

507
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:43,200
to when it comes to the the
closest ancestor to a Bigfoot,

508
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,160
right.
Gigantopithecus is only one of

509
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,320
them.
And it's literally

510
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,480
Gigantopithecus only because of
size, size.

511
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:55,680
And then it's general area in
which its fossil records would

512
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,040
be found.
But there are, I said

513
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:03,720
Gigantopithecus, right?
Yeah, the the one that's been

514
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,040
recently, and I, I say recently,
like in like the last 10 years

515
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,080
that has gotten the most steam
is Australopithecus.

516
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,000
Now Australopithecus is much
smaller.

517
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,640
It's about four, four to five
feet tall.

518
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,680
It's very similar to us.
But these ones are very upright

519
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,760
walking apes.
If you look at them, they're

520
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,520
they're smaller, they're frailer
than.

521
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,160
Oh yeah, I've seen these.
Yeah, Australopithecus and here

522
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,520
I could probably bring up I
could bring up some pictures so

523
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:42,400
that everyone else can see this,
but this is supposed to be one

524
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:49,320
of the links for man and also a
possible branch for big feats

525
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,320
and and the such.
Let's see here I.

526
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,040
Don't know dude.
There was like awful lot of

527
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,200
inbreeding back in the day, you
know?

528
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,920
And that's another thing too,
is.

529
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,520
A few really jacked up looking
people.

530
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,880
Hey, it could definitely could
have been here.

531
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:10,120
You go yes, like, like, look,
I'm, I'm seeing this right here.

532
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,280
So it's just they, they have a
few bones and the rest of it is

533
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,080
just made out of plaster.
So what that tells me is that

534
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,760
they really have no idea, and
they're just grasping at straws.

535
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,440
It could have been its own
primate species, and they're

536
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,200
just like, Oh no, this is like a
human.

537
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,000
This is my argument about most
of archaeology or what we think

538
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,600
of as archaeologies, that
they've just been telling us

539
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,720
they've just been inferrings a
bunch of shit off of like

540
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,160
fragments and partial.
Yeah, that's why giants just

541
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,120
disappear when people discover
them.

542
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,720
They're like the Smithsonian
comes in and the bones are gone

543
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,800
and all that sort of stuff
because this is this is what

544
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,720
they have.
The brown starts are the skull

545
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,880
and the rest of it's plaster.
Yeah, you just start it that.

546
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,520
Making it up as I go.
Yeah.

547
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,240
And like those pieces that they
put there might not even be of

548
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,840
there that those pieces could be
fragments of like a shin bone or

549
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,880
something else, right.
Like and they're just sure a

550
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,400
little fit if we make it part of
like a jawbone and make it.

551
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,800
And then we tell everyone, this
is what your ancestors look

552
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:15,679
like.
And it's like, come.

553
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,880
On this is clearly a tongue
bone.

554
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,719
It's a.
It's a Wiener bone.

555
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,199
It's a boner bone.
It's a whole bunch of fragments

556
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,000
of toes.
Yeah, give us back the giant

557
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,000
bones, schmucks.
Dude, I am so I am so excited

558
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,120
about episode 200.
I'm.

559
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,560
I'm glad.
Sorry, didn't mean to cut you

560
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:40,199
off.
I'm glad.

561
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,280
But I'm going to say it anyway.
I'm, I'm glad that you pulled up

562
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:50,679
that picture because it was, I
think out of the entire reading,

563
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:55,719
like seeing that 10 to 12 inches
long look.

564
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:02,040
If big feet are real, if the big
buddy monster is real, it has to

565
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,720
grow up, right?
So it wouldn't be born with size

566
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:09,400
18 feet, right?
It would have to have and you

567
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:10,880
know, feet proportional to its
body.

568
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,040
Sure, but even that isn't
necessarily accurate because I'm

569
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:21,440
6/1 and I have size 10 feet and
I and I have a friend who's, you

570
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:27,120
know, a few inches taller than
me at at 6/4 and he has like

571
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,320
size 15.
And then I've also known people

572
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:30,920
that are super tall and have
little feet.

573
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,240
You know, it doesn't necessarily
translate into having huge feet

574
00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:36,920
means you have a huge body,
right?

575
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,240
Sometimes people are born with
just flippers, right?

576
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:44,200
But, you know, or the opposite,
they're short people, but they

577
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,560
have, you know, you know, 5-7
with size twelves, right?

578
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,800
You just got basketball shoes
on, right?

579
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,720
You know, things like that, it
doesn't always translate.

580
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:55,920
It's not just a carbon copy
every single time of like a foot

581
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,640
to body ratio, but even things
have to grow up.

582
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,400
But that five to six feet
stride, I mean, that's really

583
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,000
where it's like, OK, well, this
is a big thing.

584
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:07,120
Or at least has really long
legs.

585
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,200
Like I'd have to get a good
Sprint in to get a good five to

586
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,760
six foot stride.
And I suppose if I was sprinting

587
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,400
in mud, that hard impact boom
every single time would be

588
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,680
enough to probably get me three
to four inches into the the mud.

589
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,680
So I guess that's not too crazy.
But yeah, you pulling up those

590
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,240
pictures in that book?
Yeah, that doesn't.

591
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,000
I don't know where they were
like, oh, those are footprints

592
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,320
like.
Man, I I tried, I tried.

593
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,480
Looking for the Blade Runner out
there, Yeah.

594
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,880
I tried looking for better
versions of those pictures too,

595
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,440
man, when I, when I first read
that and I was like, I don't

596
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,560
know, man.
I, I because apparently those

597
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,880
pictures are part of the
official report that I believe

598
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,440
we talked about it in the last
episode.

599
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,000
Maybe we talked about it in this
one.

600
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,720
I'm not sure.
But there's an official report

601
00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:58,760
with Murfreesboro Police
Department where they have an

602
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:05,840
actual folder dedicated to
Murfreesboro monster sightings.

603
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,280
And these pictures are in there.
They're the, they're the

604
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:14,400
original proofs.
So obviously whatever they saw

605
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,280
that they thought it was
important enough to take

606
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,160
pictures of.
So I'm kind of curious, but the

607
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,440
to kind of trail back just a
just a hair, you know, when it

608
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,920
comes to the the possible
species of what a Bigfoot could

609
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:33,280
could potentially be.
I would have to say that I

610
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,600
believe that it's got to be some
sort of hybrid, you know,

611
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:42,760
something that's close in in
ancestral distance so that

612
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,120
they're not creating, you know,
ligers where they can't breed

613
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,280
and you know, but.
Hey, that could be the reason

614
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,440
for the small population.
It it could be.

615
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,160
It could be, but.
They're all mules.

616
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,960
You know, I mean between the, I,
I think the big three for the

617
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:02,960
possibilities to create hybrids
between them are the

618
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,960
Australopithecus, the
Gigantopithecus and the

619
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,040
Denisovans.
What?

620
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,480
Was that last one.
Denisovans, Yeah, I I could

621
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:16,240
bring it up.
They're they're more Neanderthal

622
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:19,680
looking.
They have cone shaped faces.

623
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,960
Yeah, they.
Look like Pacific Islanders.

624
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,680
I I wouldn't say that, but.
They look like some of the

625
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,960
drawings that I'm looking at.
Damn, cancelled.

626
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:32,880
Here, I'll I'll bring it up.
I got it.

627
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,160
Yeah.
I mean, they're, they're like

628
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,480
your standard cave in.
They're not Neanderthals, right?

629
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,680
The they're definitely down
that, that path of evolution.

630
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:50,720
But this is also, you know, when
you when you think about what it

631
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:53,240
could potentially be, you also
have to think of time frame.

632
00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:56,240
And that's why Australia
Pithecus, gigantic pithecus and

633
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:01,200
the Denisovans are the most
commonly referred to when it

634
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:06,600
comes to possible immediate
ancestors to a Bigfoot or

635
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:12,960
Sasquatch type creature because
they are some of our closer

636
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:19,880
relatives in time and space to
answer some of the questions for

637
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,240
some of the the Bigfoot type
creatures that are found around

638
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:23,960
the world.
And you know it.

639
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,800
You know when you talk about the
Bigfoot all across the world

640
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:33,400
where prone to only thinking
about the North American

641
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,640
northwestern Patty type
Sasquatch.

642
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,840
You know we're here in North
America.

643
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,400
They say that there could be up
to 10 different subspecies

644
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,560
alone.
But when you go across the

645
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,280
entire world, there's so many
more, right?

646
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,080
You know, a lot of people will
say, yeah, there's the Yeti, but

647
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:55,040
then we'll also forget that we
have the Olmos, the the smaller

648
00:39:55,040 --> 00:40:00,240
orang pen deck, the, I don't
know, there's just, there's a

649
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:03,680
ton of them, ton of them all
across the world.

650
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,080
And to think that they What do
you got there?

651
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,600
That I'm just saying why I said
they look like Pacific

652
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:10,560
Islanders.
Oh.

653
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,880
Polynesian.
OK, but the, you know, to think

654
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,040
that you're going to get the
answer to what the closest

655
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:24,240
ancestor is off of just, you
know, the, the North American

656
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:28,480
Bigfoot.
I I think you're crazy, you

657
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,240
know, anybody who thinks that
way, you, you would have to take

658
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:33,400
into consideration everything
around the world and just kind

659
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:38,000
of understand that, you know, we
have, you know, many different

660
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:44,240
builds and, and pigmentations to
our species and you know, they

661
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:47,200
probably will the same.
And it's all going to come down

662
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:53,360
from, you know, ancestral roots
and, and hybridization from, you

663
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,280
know, throughout time.
So it's it's a very difficult

664
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,840
question and I don't think
we're, I mean, unless we can, we

665
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,440
can get physical specimen, we
may never know the fucking

666
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,720
answer to it.
Sorry it took a long round on

667
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:07,480
that.
You guys ready?

668
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,920
To roll, Yeah.
Yeah, I suppose so.

669
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,560
You suppose?
So just kind of blew a hole

670
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,080
like.
I did.

671
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,680
No, just the the finding out of
the Gigantopithecus's feet just

672
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:26,320
kind of blew the butt out of my
kind of my theories.

673
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,120
Well, I mean the the you know,
the Gigantopithecus could only

674
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,640
be half of the equation, right?
Yeah.

675
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:39,960
But I don't, I don't know if
it's because you, you can't like

676
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,800
we are too far removed even from
chimpanzees or they say bonobos

677
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,400
are like the best, like closest
representation to us or

678
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,600
whatever, you know, relative
everything like that.

679
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,600
But you can't breed with them.
Right.

680
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:59,680
You know, we're totally
different species and it doesn't

681
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,960
work out.
So I, I just don't know if it's

682
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,800
possible to have Jake.
Don't overthink it from Skater.

683
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,280
I just don't know if it's
possible to have a crossover

684
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,040
like that.
I, I think it is in baby steps,

685
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,120
right?
You know, when you go from a

686
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,920
tiger to a lion and create a
Liger, that's different, that's

687
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,400
going to create an offspring
that is sterile and and unable

688
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,280
to breed.
But there's closer relatives

689
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,720
that they can breed with where
eventually they could meet in

690
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:31,480
the middle.
And I mean, you have to have a

691
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,720
long period of time for that to
be able to happen, right?

692
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:41,280
You know, like they're like,
let's take elephants, right?

693
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,760
So there's the African and the
Indian elephant.

694
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,760
Are they breedable?
I don't know, right.

695
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,480
But let's just say, for example,
this time they are.

696
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:55,440
And this is just, you know,
hypothetically those breed

697
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,080
together, right?
And that creates a species now

698
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,600
that is closer breedable to
another breed of elephant

699
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,360
because that breed of elephant
was closer, was breedable with

700
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,480
the Indian elephant but not the
African elephant, but because.

701
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,920
The African.
Elephant and the Indian elephant

702
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,960
bred together.
Now this hybrid is able to breed

703
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,360
because it's got, you know, the
you know.

704
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,240
But here's the other thing too,
is it's like, but with the

705
00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:28,920
exception of some really, I
guess, messed up things or like

706
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,640
dumb animals.
Like every once in a while,

707
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,320
especially on Easter, you'll see
some meme of like some rabbit

708
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,000
humping a chicken.
You're like, this is how an

709
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,720
Easter egg is made, you know,
things like that.

710
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:46,720
Generally speaking, species the
the females, the males,

711
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:48,760
whichever 1's doing the
attracting.

712
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,320
Usually the males are the ones
that are more colorful because

713
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,360
they need to fight for the
attention of the females.

714
00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:03,160
But regardless they attract the
opposite sex of their same

715
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,320
species.
You don't see capuchin monkeys

716
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:15,720
out there bangin, you know,
orangutans or bangin baboons or

717
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:18,880
what vice versa or things like
that, you know, and creating

718
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:23,480
hybrids all the time.
They attract their opposite sex

719
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:29,480
of their same species.
The ancient astronaut theorists

720
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,280
point to, like, you know,
genetic manipulation at some

721
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,400
point in history.
Sure.

722
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,640
But because I mean, it would it
would have to be that because

723
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,880
otherwise it it just wouldn't
make sense.

724
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,040
Like a lion and a tiger wouldn't
naturally mate unless you took

725
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,280
the sperm of the tiger, the
lion, whoever, and then the egg

726
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,000
of the lion or tiger, you know,
whatever, into a lab and then

727
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,840
created a hybrid.
They wouldn't naturally go after

728
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,240
each other because they attract
the opposite sex of their same

729
00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:59,840
species.
So I don't see where there would

730
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,400
be a situation where they would
just be like, eh, you know, a

731
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,760
hole's a hole and just go for
it, you know?

732
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:10,640
So here's the thing right is I I
don't think that you can

733
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,960
generalize a species like that
because you will have

734
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,600
individualism.
I've met dogs that will

735
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,160
literally fuck anything.
Right like.

736
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,240
Well, that's what I said.
There's there's, you know,

737
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,200
obviously like the chicken, the
rabbit thing, right?

738
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,480
So I mean there's.
Yeah, and.

739
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,720
There's weird situations that
happen, but you got you got to.

740
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:30,680
Think.
Happens multiple times.

741
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,440
Somewhere down the road you get
an outcasted, you know, primate,

742
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,280
you know, somewhere down our
evolutionary line.

743
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,000
It's like, man, I'm not getting
lucky with mine.

744
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,120
I might as well go fuck this,
this caveman.

745
00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:49,360
And you know, turns out it works
right.

746
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,680
So I and then he's just like,
fuck that.

747
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,400
I'll never have my women again.
I like this caveman booty.

748
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:02,360
So, so then they make little,
little caveman loving babies and

749
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:10,320
you know, now that that whole
genetic line of that previous

750
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:15,120
species is gone and now you just
have caveman and hybrid babies.

751
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,520
I, I don't know, man.
I, I think, I, I think you get

752
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,000
some pretty crazy individuals
within the animal Kingdom that

753
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,880
will do some stupid shit.
I do now.

754
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,920
I, I agree with you.
The majority of them though, the

755
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:36,080
majority of them, you're right.
What if I'm just going to speak

756
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,560
to this from my perspective of
what I actually believe?

757
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:45,600
But what if the big feat and the
Sasquatch Sam squamishes are

758
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:51,800
just their own thing?
That God created a land dwelling

759
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:57,480
instead of a tree dwelling.
A land dwelling ape that has

760
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,680
feet like humans.
It could be their own thing and

761
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,080
just there's no fossil record of
them because we don't have

762
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,880
fossil records of most animals
that have existed or do exist.

763
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:11,200
See, my big question is always
just like, I understand why like

764
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,840
the Smithsonian would want to
hide the giants, right?

765
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,960
I understand why they would want
to hide the facts about space or

766
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,680
whatever the case is, but I
don't understand like why they

767
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:26,560
would want to hide facts about
Bigfoot so.

768
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,600
Well, it could just be that
there, like I just said there,

769
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,840
it just isn't evidence.
Like I don't know if we actually

770
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,680
have like Penguin, you know,
fossilized Penguins, but we have

771
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,920
sure.
So it's just like.

772
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:45,480
What you'd think that we would
have at least one specimen like

773
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:51,440
in a in a museum or somewhere,
or like it would least be

774
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,200
accepted.
If we don't have a specimen, we

775
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,920
at least have like enough proof
that it would be accepted,

776
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,440
right.
And I'm, and again, you guys

777
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,320
know I'm not like necessarily
the big skeptic of Bigfoot, but

778
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:03,720
you know, she's posing the
question.

779
00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:06,400
I'm just saying like, I don't
understand, bro.

780
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,360
I.
Hate you wearing today.

781
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,000
It's a big.
Yeah, right.

782
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,560
How do you like Bigfoot?
Fuck them.

783
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:22,280
Yeah, I don't know, You know,
when it comes to Smithsonian, I

784
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,440
mean, they do a lot of weird
stuff.

785
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:32,720
I know, I know from previous, I
don't know if they were episodes

786
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:36,320
that we did or it was a talking
point within the episode, but

787
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,760
that, you know, sample hairs
will get collected all the time

788
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:47,040
and get sent into, you know, MIT
and, and UCLA and, you know, big

789
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:52,640
colleges that have really good
labs in them for DNA analysis of

790
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,480
known animals.
And they'll come back

791
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,800
inconclusive.
And then they just don't do

792
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:02,040
anything else with it.
And I think that it's because I

793
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:07,000
think with the exception of like
the big, well, the big Bigfoot

794
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,640
scientists that we have out
there, most people don't want to

795
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,080
touch what they consider to be
nonsense or an urban legend,

796
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:18,600
even if they might have some
shred of proof that this is a

797
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,680
new discovery.
Because they'll get laughed out

798
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,440
of, you know, whatever job
they're in or they're, they'll

799
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,000
get discredited because they
don't believe in quote UN quote

800
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,360
science they believe in.
Yeah, I think that's the legend

801
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,120
problem.
I think that's the biggest

802
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:39,600
problem with most of the of the
sciences and you know, academic

803
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,560
whatnots, right?
It's just all of this is all of

804
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,200
them rely on so much funding and
and you have to kind of toe

805
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,120
certain lines to get the
funding, right.

806
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,360
So it's like you're not going to
be able to dig in the in the

807
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,480
tomb anymore if you don't get
the funding.

808
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,800
So you can't go talking about
stuff that you shouldn't be

809
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,640
talking about.
You just got to kind of toe the

810
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,160
line, right?
I think that's what's kind of

811
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,800
that's what we're seeing right
now with the alien topic, is

812
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:13,240
that for so long there's been
proof and evidence of something

813
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,880
else, right?
I'm not going to say aliens, but

814
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:21,920
something else, whether that's
government funded programs or

815
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,240
black budget programs or
interdimensional beings or

816
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:28,520
whatever it is.
Ghosts, aliens, you know,

817
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:30,960
demons, angels, things like
that.

818
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:35,080
What something else is there?
And you find these pilots and

819
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,640
stuff that are now coming out
when it becomes popular to talk

820
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,760
about it, when the the masses
are all about this sort of

821
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,200
subject.
And they're like, well, back in

822
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:50,200
the 70s when I was a fighter
pilot, I saw XY and Z, you know,

823
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,000
UFOs and stuff like that.
But they've kept it under wraps

824
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,320
even as hardcore professionals
because they're worried about

825
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,920
losing their business, losing
their credit, losing their

826
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:01,800
friends, right?
It's the socials, the peer

827
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,000
pressure, all that sort of
stuff.

828
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:09,360
I think the same thing happens
in the communities of, you know,

829
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,480
the, the biologists and things
like that and the, the wildlife

830
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,280
researchers and everything
because people aren't on board

831
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,280
with the whole idea of a
Bigfoot.

832
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:23,840
But here in 10 years when maybe
we have a body and people are

833
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,280
more interested in the Bigfoot
topic, then you'll get these

834
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,200
people that have been biologists
for 50 years that are just like,

835
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,600
oh, I studied hair samples that
were inconclusive.

836
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,200
Turns out they're from a
Bigfoot.

837
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,480
Imagine that, right?
You're going to see all that

838
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,520
stuff start happening because
it's now the popular thing and

839
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,360
they're not going to become the
laughingstock of their friend

840
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,480
group or you know, the
laughingstock of the hospital

841
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,600
and getting bullied about it.
Oh, you find another Bigfoot.

842
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,480
Oh, you know, that's your crap.
So that's probably what it is.

843
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,120
It's just the social peer
pressure and we see that with

844
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:02,880
all these, you know,
pseudoscience type things and,

845
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:07,120
and all like the, the crazy out
there ideas and stuff like that.

846
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,200
People will generally keep to
themselves to keep their stories

847
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:16,840
to themselves if it means that
they will not invoke ridicule

848
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,960
from other people, you know, now
take that into what may be a

849
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,200
career ending thing where it's
just like, oh, this guy is weird

850
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,200
like that.
I don't want him to, you know,

851
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,520
reset my, I don't want him to do
open heart surgery on me if he's

852
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,280
a freaking weirdo, you know,
type stuff, you know, in my

853
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,440
shower.
Yeah, right.

854
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,520
It's like, OK, no, I'm good.
You know, he's going to, I'm

855
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,520
going to go out and he's going
to be taking pictures of my feet

856
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,040
and, you know, putting him up in
his in his shrine, in his

857
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,440
closet, right.
It's like crap.

858
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,000
So I think that it has to do a
lot with that.

859
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,040
I don't know how much the
Smithsonian actually has to do

860
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:55,000
with it, but I'm sure they have
something to do with it because

861
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,720
they kind of have something to
do with anything that has to do

862
00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:00,800
with, you know, the ancient.
World or.

863
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,840
Fossil record or whatever you
know.

864
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,280
Yeah, not a big fan.
We got to cover that at some

865
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,160
point, but you guys ready to
move on?

866
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:15,240
Yeah, yeah, all.
Right, let's let's go P All

867
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:17,200
right.
The salvage yard monster.

868
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:21,920
In the summer of 1988,
Murfreesboro business owner Rob

869
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:26,480
Riemann would have his life
flipped upside down when he had

870
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,760
one of the most polarizing
encounters with the Murfreesboro

871
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,040
monster.
Rob Reiden was a local salvage

872
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,120
yard owner for 13 years at this
point in his life.

873
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:41,360
When he and his hired security
guard officer Charlie Straub

874
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,840
approached the source of sounds
being made in the back of the

875
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:49,240
lot, their plan was to come
together for any confrontations

876
00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:52,720
due to safety in numbers and
most of the break insurance at

877
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:56,120
the salvage yard being vandals
or thieves who would happily

878
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,240
defend themselves with any
weapon they had or confined.

879
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,920
When they came closer to the
source, a low pitch scream was

880
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,240
set off coming from the
direction of the noise.

881
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,280
The scream continued and
eventually tapered off and

882
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:13,680
ending very high pitched.
It was then that Bob was hit

883
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:18,400
with a horrendous smell.
Whatever it was, it reaped.

884
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:22,120
The men reluctantly stepped
closer to the intruder but were

885
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,400
little on edge from the loud
screaming and horrible smell.

886
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,680
But neither of those details
scared them more than what they

887
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,720
finally laid eyes on.
The culprit?

888
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:36,280
Standing 8 to 10 feet tall and
covered in extremely long silver

889
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:41,560
Gray hair, man like figure with
red shiny eyes.

890
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,400
The hair on its top half looked
well groomed, In the bottom half

891
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:50,400
half seamed, gross, knotted,
shaggy, and tangled with twins

892
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,800
and mud.
When the beast noticed that it

893
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,040
wasn't alone anymore, it pulled
its 3 foot wide shoulders back

894
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,600
and let out a yell while
flashing its yellow teeth before

895
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,080
walking off, grunting and
letting out noises that Bob

896
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,880
described as sounding as if they
were numbling mumbling to

897
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,000
itself.
That was enough for Bob and

898
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,400
Charlie, so they turned around
and ran back to the garage where

899
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,800
they thought they would be safe
from whatever this behemoth was.

900
00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:20,360
But as they got back, they were
shocked to notice that the

901
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,600
creature was following them.
They watched him terror as it

902
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,640
moved from shadow to shadow on
the property.

903
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,720
Every time it crossed into the
moonlight it got a little

904
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:31,200
closer.
Worried that if they called the

905
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,960
police the men would be
ridiculed by everyone in town,

906
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,200
they opted to call a few of
Bob's family members instead.

907
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,640
After a few minutes, Bob's
mother Irma, wife Cheryl,

908
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:46,040
brother Ronnie, sister Joyce and
15 year old son Bobby all across

909
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,000
the front of the property to
meet the two men in the garage.

910
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,640
All the new people on the scene
believe that this was a joke and

911
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,240
Irma, Bob's mother, even made
mention that if the men really

912
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:59,840
believed what they saw, she
might have to call the men in

913
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,640
the white coats.
But soon after arriving, Bob's

914
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,200
wife Cheryl noticed the God
awful smell and quickly

915
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,440
connected it to the smell she
encountered the previous night

916
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,560
wafting in from the open window
next to her bed in the bedroom.

917
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,440
Whatever was outside the
previous night had taken a few

918
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,560
large audible slurping gulps out
of the dog's outdoor water bowl

919
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:24,480
as Cheryl laid in bed, terrified
to look out the window, only to

920
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,960
come face to face with what she
believed would be the burglar or

921
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,160
thief when the smell hit
everyone else.

922
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:35,120
And they were only moments away
from learning that Bob and

923
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,240
Charlie were not joking around.
Soon after the smell permeated

924
00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:42,800
the air and and around the
garage, they started to hear

925
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,080
something walking around just
outside of the thin garage

926
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,000
walls.
Then whatever it was banged on

927
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,920
the lower garage door and
frightened the entire lot of

928
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,080
them.
A few seconds later, another

929
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,200
bang hit the wall perpendicular
to the garage door.

930
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,640
Then another louder bang erupted
just a little further down,

931
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:06,480
followed by yet another a little
further down than that.

932
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,920
This would continue a few more
times, progressively getting

933
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,800
louder and louder with every
bang.

934
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:14,840
It was Bob's thought that
whatever it was, it was throwing

935
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,560
large rocks at the wall of the
garage, because if it was the

936
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,360
same thing that Bob and Charlie
had seen just a few minutes

937
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,960
prior, he believed it could have
easily busted through the thin

938
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:29,640
walls if it wanted to.
Once the bang stopped and after

939
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,920
a lengthy 15 minute wait, all
the witnesses ran into the cars

940
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,520
and drove off back to the house.
The very next morning, Bob would

941
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,320
go back out into the daylight
and search high and low for

942
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,840
signs of whatever it was that
scared the shit out of them and

943
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,560
from the night before.
Then they're in the moistened

944
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:50,120
mud next to Missouri Pacific
Railway tracks that ran through

945
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,920
the back of property.
Bob found a 14 inch long and

946
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,640
four inch wide human shaped
footprint.

947
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,680
All right, guys.
So this is that second most

948
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:06,960
popular 14 inches long and four.
Inches wide.

949
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:09,440
Human footprint.
Very wide.

950
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,040
Human shaped footprint.
It's not that big, right?

951
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,280
No, it's not that big.
It's doable, but.

952
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,320
Personally walking around.
But to be walking around

953
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,840
barefoot in a in a junkyard, you
know that's.

954
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,160
AI mean Jeff went barefoot for
like 10 years.

955
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:26,560
That's true.
It was a year.

956
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,080
It was one year and I don't have
that big a feet.

957
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,400
Well, you're the same person.
You know what they say about not

958
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,960
having big feet?
If you're somebody who hangs out

959
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:39,320
in a junkyard with no shoes on
you, I I picture like a big

960
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,600
dude.
Like just big fucking.

961
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,760
Yeah.
Walking around barefoot.

962
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,200
I don't even need shoes because
they don't they don't make them

963
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:52,480
that fit 14 inches.
So now that we we're back on the

964
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:59,280
subject of feet, I, I wanted to
kind of shed some insight into

965
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,400
my thought process real quick
without derailing us too hard.

966
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:06,280
So I was looking it up while
you're reading that Skeeter

967
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,440
cracked a joke.
He said Bigfoot was God's test

968
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,280
run before humans because I
mentioned the, the ground

969
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:12,880
dwelling in the feet and all
that sort of stuff.

970
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:19,520
OK, so so moose, deer, elk and
Caribou all belong to the same

971
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:23,640
species group called cervids or
cervidae or whatever it is.

972
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,320
But cervids for short, right
say.

973
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:26,600
They're called ungulates, aren't
they?

974
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,680
I'm looking at Safari club
International, it says service

975
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,720
is the deer family.
Ungulates.

976
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:38,040
Cervidae and then it goes into
like different sub orders like

977
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:43,960
Ruminati is chud chud or cud
chewing plant eaters either way.

978
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:50,680
So ungulates or Cervidae,
however, they have similar feet,

979
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:52,600
right?
They have the split hooves and

980
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,920
things like that.
Moose and white tailed deer are

981
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:02,800
in the same major order species
with the same looking feet, yet

982
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:07,760
they cannot mate together.
So it says it says moose and elk

983
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,760
belong to different subfamilies
of deer and have different

984
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,760
numbers of chromosomes.
Elk have 68 chromosomes, while

985
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:18,400
deer.
Have the including white tailed

986
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,200
deer, mule deer, and black
tailed deer have 70 chromosomes.

987
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,800
So they may have the same size,
same type of feet.

988
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:30,520
Obviously they're different in
size, but they cannot interbreed

989
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,200
even if they're from the same
speed or subspecies or or

990
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,160
species, major species or
whatever, right?

991
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,800
So we might be in the same
species being primates as great

992
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:45,760
apes or even Bigfoot for that
matter, but just because our

993
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,360
feet might look the same as big
feet with the exception of the

994
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:53,160
mid tarsal break, we would not
be able to interbreed.

995
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,560
So I'm.
Telling you what I can't do.

996
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:01,520
Well, you could try.
So I think that where my, my

997
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,960
thought process is, is that I,
Jeremy, you asked me one time

998
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,600
why whales look like they have
human hands inside their

999
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,840
flippers.
And I said, if you got a good

1000
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,440
design, why reinvent it every
single time, right?

1001
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,760
Like we make a new type of car.
We're not going to, we're not

1002
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,880
going to make a hexagon wheel
for the car.

1003
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:24,160
We're going to keep the same
wheels because wheels work.

1004
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,040
And we're going to just build
different chassis in a different

1005
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,600
frame on top of the, the
standard base.

1006
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,880
So that's why you see these sort
of species where in my mind, God

1007
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,880
create or my belief God created
all the animals.

1008
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,240
And you'll see some animals that
are completely separate, but

1009
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:44,280
they have the same base, right?
And that's because if it works

1010
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:48,600
for that type of thing, then why
completely change every single

1011
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,440
time?
Why not have something similar?

1012
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:56,080
So in this circumstance though,
every other ape or monkey you

1013
01:01:56,080 --> 01:02:00,720
may see has a hand for a foot
right Where they can grab stuff

1014
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:04,560
with their feet.
Why couldn't it also be that?

1015
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:09,720
Let's just say that whatever the
the other Denovans, I think you

1016
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,160
said.
Denisovans.

1017
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:18,560
Denisovans and big feet.
So sasquatches and humans have

1018
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,320
the same looking feet because it
works right?

1019
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:27,000
It works for an upright walking,
ground dwelling primates.

1020
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,520
But we are in different species
and we can't interbreed and

1021
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:34,960
things like that because it
works for US versus, you know,

1022
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:39,160
bears who have a certain foot
shape because they spend most of

1023
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:43,560
time on all fours, but sometimes
go on to twos, right type stuff.

1024
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:47,080
They wouldn't have a different
foot shape, although their feet

1025
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:52,400
do kind of sort of look like
ours, but not entirely right.

1026
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,800
So it's like if they're going to
do this sort of stuff, then it

1027
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,760
this helps them in that manner.
So that's just kind of my

1028
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:02,520
thought process of it.
It would it would reason to me

1029
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:09,760
that a Sasquatch would be its
own species.

1030
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,400
And maybe we just don't have a
fossil record for it because of

1031
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,360
whatever reason.
Just another type of ape right

1032
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,800
here, you know?
So there there is exceptions.

1033
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,360
OK?
And the exception for the human

1034
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,440
beings would have been the
Neanderthal and the Denisovans,

1035
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,480
yes, according to current
scientific understanding, a

1036
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:31,160
modern human and a Neanderthal
could breed, as evidenced by

1037
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:34,720
genetic analysis showing that
modern humans outside of Africa

1038
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,000
carry a small amount of
Neanderthal DNA indicating

1039
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,720
interbreeding between the two
species when they overlapped

1040
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:46,640
geographically in the past.
So.

1041
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,960
I think my question would be,
what's the DNA strand that

1042
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:51,880
they're finding?
And then they're just deciding

1043
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:55,400
this is Neanderthal DNA because
you can't get DNA from rocks,

1044
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:59,840
which is what these fossilized
bones are, is that they're

1045
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:03,200
rocks, they're calcified bones,
so they can't get DNA from that.

1046
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:04,920
So what are they looking at in
the gene?

1047
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:05,920
You can totally.
Get.

1048
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,240
You can get DNA from fossils.
You can absolutely get DNA from

1049
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:11,280
fossils.
Yeah, absolutely.

1050
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,880
How so?
Because it's organic matter.

1051
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,880
It's just, it's not.
When it's been calcified.

1052
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:22,040
You have a calcification is the
hardening of a material.

1053
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,320
It doesn't matter what the the
material is, it's the hardening

1054
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:30,480
of a material.
So even though it's calcified

1055
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:34,320
meat or bone, it's still meat or
bone.

1056
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:40,400
Let's see, I'm looking this up.
Calcification is a process where

1057
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,240
calcium builds up in body tissue
causing them to harden.

1058
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,440
It can happen normally like in
the formation of bones or

1059
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,840
abnormally in soft tissue.
Like you have calcification

1060
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,440
happening in your in your body
now I think that's where you get

1061
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,320
like arthritis and shit.
I could be wrong with that

1062
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,800
obviously, but it.
Says under the right conditions,

1063
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:03,280
DNA can persist inside of
fossilized bones for thousands

1064
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:04,560
of years.
Yes.

1065
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:08,080
So here they begin to extract
the DNA from a 38,000 year old

1066
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,640
Neanderthal bone.
This process called an essay

1067
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:18,720
assay ASSAY Yep, as a test to
see if there's any usual DNA

1068
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,360
inside a Neanderthal femur.
Yep.

1069
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,760
So, OK, so they can get DNA.
So then they're trying to find

1070
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:29,600
those same genetic or DNA and I
don't know what the terminology

1071
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:34,160
is, strands I guess, inside of
human beings.

1072
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:37,400
Yeah.
So assay values.

1073
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:41,720
So like when I work with the
vitamin E that I that I do at or

1074
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,480
I work with at my job, we have
to do assay values.

1075
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:50,920
Assay values is a quantity of of
a specific element or compound,

1076
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:55,560
right.
So vitamin E is a compound of

1077
01:05:56,240 --> 01:06:01,600
multiple elements together.
So we need to do assay values on

1078
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,320
the vitamin E to make sure that
we're getting good quality

1079
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,680
stuff.
So assay values would be a way

1080
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:14,440
for them to measure the DNA
strands or the proteins used in

1081
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:24,600
DNA to ensure that they have a
good amount or enough of the the

1082
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:28,360
protein strands in order to run
adna test or whatever else they

1083
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,520
would have to do.
You know, we need, we need an

1084
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:36,760
admonish button like like louder
with Crowder be like when they

1085
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,360
whenever they make a mistake and
they get fact checked by their

1086
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,080
by their crew, they say, well,
admonish me and they press a

1087
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:46,240
button, it says admonished.
Have an admonished button.

1088
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:51,520
I don't know what admonish means
it it means to well, it means to

1089
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:55,720
warn or reprimand someone firmly
for being wrong in this

1090
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:59,240
circumstance.
OK, so you have to admonish me.

1091
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,560
So you all have to.
I have to strip naked and walk

1092
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,080
through the town while you guys
yell shame and beat me with

1093
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,880
rocks and sticks and stuff.
Skeeter Gotcha.

1094
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,880
Skeeter, you're admonished.
Admonished.

1095
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:12,760
Ready to move on?
Yeah.

1096
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,440
Do you guys still want me to go
through sightings or you want me

1097
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:20,480
to skip to the last part because
we have one more group of

1098
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:24,720
sightings and then we dive into
just a small section to finish

1099
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,840
it off.
The sightings are modern day

1100
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,440
sightings.
We could go through the whole

1101
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:34,360
thing, it's not that much more.
OK, I, I know we're running late

1102
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:37,480
now, so I just wanted to I, Jeff
looks like he's so tuckered out

1103
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:38,120
right now.
Look at him.

1104
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,880
Boy tuckered.
He looks like he's about ready

1105
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:46,360
to wrap up in his blankie.
Bust your ass all day today.

1106
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,440
I'm sorry guys, I'm here.
He got his ass busted all day

1107
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:53,200
today.
All right, modern sightings.

1108
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,680
Although the bulk of primary
sightings and encounter with the

1109
01:07:56,680 --> 01:08:00,480
Bigfoot esque critter that
stalks the counties of Little

1110
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:05,200
Egypt seem to have peaked in the
1970s, there have been plenty of

1111
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,840
run insurance with the beast in
modern times as well.

1112
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,680
To ensure that I didn't end up
turning this into an 8 hour

1113
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,480
episode, I've limited these
accounts to the best ones I can

1114
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:18,359
find on various reporting sites,
as well as only reporting the

1115
01:08:18,359 --> 01:08:21,960
sightings in Jackson County, the
home county of Murfreesboro.

1116
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,800
Disclaimer.
Turns out that all of the

1117
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:30,359
studies that I did find were
then repeated by the BFRO, so I

1118
01:08:30,359 --> 01:08:32,319
just used the BFRO as the
source.

1119
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,279
So ignore that whole other
sources thing.

1120
01:08:35,319 --> 01:08:38,240
Although I did originally find
some of these reports on other

1121
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:45,000
sources.
So report number 44003 bfro.net

1122
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:52,000
Spring 1989 In a report filed on
January 26th, 2014, a witness

1123
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,520
described their encounter with a
Bigfoot creature on the A 41

1124
01:08:55,520 --> 01:09:00,439
pond in the spring of 1989.
While fishing in an area that

1125
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:04,120
was 4 to 5 miles away from the
nearest road and a location of

1126
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:07,120
where they parked their car, the
witness started hearing a

1127
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:08,800
commotion breaking out behind
them.

1128
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,680
The initial thought of the
witness was that it could have

1129
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,560
been a variety of critters from
the area such as turkeys,

1130
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:18,040
squirrels or even deer.
But then whatever it was, it

1131
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:21,040
started snapping whole trees
behind where they were standing.

1132
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:25,359
Then two large splashes caused
by big rocks being thrown in the

1133
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:28,160
water erupted.
As the witness turned around

1134
01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:31,399
they caught themselves staring
at a pissed off bipedal hair

1135
01:09:31,399 --> 01:09:34,640
covered creature that let out a
blood curdling scream.

1136
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:39,399
The the report quotes the
witness as describing this

1137
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:42,960
moment as quote.
It starts out as a high pitched

1138
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:46,840
siren type scream that makes
every hair on your body stand

1139
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,080
up.
Then it gets higher pitched and

1140
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:53,520
as and is so loud you can't
believe what is happening.

1141
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:57,320
With one step this thing could
have reached out, twisted my

1142
01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:00,960
head right off my shoulders.
I knew I could not outrun it so

1143
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,760
I just froze.
I cannot believe what was

1144
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:07,920
happening or what I was seeing.
The description mentioned by the

1145
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,560
witness and report investigator
had the creature as having a 5

1146
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,840
foot wide chest from shoulder to
shoulder, stood at least 7 feet

1147
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:18,000
tall, and the creature had a
noticeable muscular build.

1148
01:10:18,440 --> 01:10:22,240
The witness eventually escaped,
running as fast as he could

1149
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:25,880
while only taking minimal gear
after the creature walked off

1150
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:30,000
after it screened.
Reports number 39267 and three

1151
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:36,440
63o6bfro.net, March 2012.
In this report, the witness

1152
01:10:36,440 --> 01:10:40,520
outlines a sighting that they
had where they saw not one, but

1153
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,680
two of these creatures as the
witness crossed the railroad

1154
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,720
tracks, one of which was sitting
down as the other stood above

1155
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:48,520
it.
This is the witness's second

1156
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:51,320
sighting of a similar kind in
the same location from almost

1157
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:56,160
exactly a year prior.
Report 50208.

1158
01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:01,440
Bfro.net November 2015 In a
report submitted to the Bigfoot

1159
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:05,400
Researchers Organization, an
afternoon bus driver on US 51 N

1160
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:10,720
of DeSoto was quoted Quote While
driving my work van and just as

1161
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:15,280
I was coming over the top of the
hill, a small dark figure passed

1162
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,960
in the tree line.
It was walking too tall for a

1163
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:21,000
human.
It was maybe in the seven to 8

1164
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:24,640
foot range because it was at the
midpoint of the trees.

1165
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,160
There isn't a rise there.
It's flat.

1166
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:30,160
I checked because I drive this
way five days a week, twice a

1167
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:32,320
day.
I watched it walk for several

1168
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,000
seconds until it disappeared
into the thicker tree growth.

1169
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:38,480
The driver's bus aide also
mentioned in the report to have

1170
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:41,960
witnessed this creature, as well
as a BFRO investigator Stan

1171
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:45,080
Courtney mentions that they
witnessed the animal for at

1172
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,520
least an entire minute.
The witnesses described the

1173
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:51,120
color of the creature as being
blackish brown, with its build

1174
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,560
being on the thinner side, but
with a really thick neck.

1175
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:57,720
Unfortunately, neither witness
was able to get a good view of

1176
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,920
the creature's face.
All right, second to last

1177
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:02,360
section done.
Nothing.

1178
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,760
I believe.
OK, good.

1179
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,240
You guys want me to jump right
into the last bit?

1180
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:12,400
Yeah, dude.
All right, Jeffrey, you have to

1181
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,080
answer.
Just kidding.

1182
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:15,800
You don't have to answer here.
I know your answer.

1183
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:20,160
Modern day Murfreesboro Monster.
The locals still love their Big

1184
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:24,320
Muddy Monster with a brew house
right in Murfreesboro named Big

1185
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,080
Muddy Brewing.
Their bottles depict the image

1186
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:30,800
of a Bigfoot on a few of their
beers to pay homage to their

1187
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,600
local urban legend.
The staple beer of the brew

1188
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:37,560
house is the Big Muddy Monster
India Brown Ale which also

1189
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:40,840
depicts a Bigfoot on the cover
with a bundle of hops in one

1190
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,240
hand and a cold draft pint in
the other.

1191
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:48,760
Every October Murfreesboro holds
their annual Big Muddy Monster

1192
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:52,080
Brew Fest right next to the boat
landing in Riverside Park that

1193
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:55,440
has become famous as location of
one of the most talked about

1194
01:12:55,440 --> 01:13:00,000
encounter stories by Randy
Needham and Judy Johnson in June

1195
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:04,080
of 1973.
The festival is a convergence of

1196
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,200
microbreweries from around the
Midwest and as a patron of the

1197
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:11,680
festival you can expect to do
plenty of beer tasting, souvenir

1198
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:15,960
shopping and hear plenty of live
music all under the umbrella of

1199
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:19,560
the famous legend of the area.
Although historically the

1200
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:22,840
festival has been in October
according to their website

1201
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:27,840
bigmuddymonsterfestival.com, the
2024 annual festival took place

1202
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:31,520
on June 22nd and highlighted
another local business with the

1203
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:35,800
monsters namesake, Muddy Monster
Comics, also from Murfreesboro,

1204
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:39,880
which publishes a conic titled
Big Muddy Monster, a true story

1205
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:44,760
of Murfreesboro, which as the
title says, finds a fun way to

1206
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:48,560
deliver the story of the monster
to a younger or more pop culture

1207
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,800
eccentric crowd.
Then of course there is the

1208
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:56,160
local Big Muddy Run which takes
place in a local MUD course with

1209
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:59,040
proceeds going to local
charities as well as the Big

1210
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,360
Muddy Monster 5K Run and walk
around town.

1211
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:05,800
You can find many pieces of art
dawning the image of Big Muddy

1212
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:10,040
such as the mural on the side of
the Liberty Theater, a Bigfoot

1213
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:13,440
statue in the local Holiday Inn
Express and suites that was

1214
01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:17,720
chainsaw carved by artist Josh
Hayes of the Big Muddy Monster

1215
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:20,560
Carving Company.
The official Big Muddy Monster

1216
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:24,120
statue at the local McDonald's,
as well as the official Welcome

1217
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:27,480
to Murfreesboro welcome sign
which also depicts a Bigfoot

1218
01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:30,840
creature walking out of the
capital M at the beginning of

1219
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,120
the town's name.
And of course, last but not

1220
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,480
least, make sure before you
leave you find and take a

1221
01:14:37,480 --> 01:14:40,760
picture next to the sign for
Muddy Monster Rd.

1222
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:45,440
All right, what you guys say,
you guys want to go check that

1223
01:14:45,440 --> 01:14:47,080
out?
I do I.

1224
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:50,440
For sure do Jeremy wants us to
take a road trip next time they

1225
01:14:50,440 --> 01:14:51,080
have it.
Let's.

1226
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:54,200
Go, dude, let's go to that other
place where they're having that

1227
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:56,680
festival, bro.
There's so many of them bro.

1228
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:59,680
Which one you talking about bro?
The one we're at the boat ramp,

1229
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:01,600
dude.
That's the that's the one we

1230
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,040
were just talking about.
Bro it's the same one.

1231
01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:08,880
It's a it's a brew fest, so it's
the Big Muddy Brew Festival.

1232
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:15,280
So not only is it about Big
Muddy, but it's also about Big

1233
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:19,240
Muddy Brew, about some burrs.
Let's go.

1234
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:23,760
Yeah, bro, let's go.
I I, I really would like to go.

1235
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,360
Like I'm seriously going to make
a push for it next year.

1236
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:28,640
I think it'd be an absolute ton
of fun.

1237
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:29,600
Oh.
Yeah, brother.

1238
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:32,160
I'd go as a patron, though I
wouldn't go as infinite rabbit

1239
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:33,640
hole.
I'll just maybe I wear a

1240
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:36,640
T-shirt, but, well, that's.
Just lame dude.

1241
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:38,960
Dude, I would go just to just to
absorb it all.

1242
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,560
But yeah, Bigfoot and beer,
that's what I'm fucking talking

1243
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:44,360
about.
It's like my two favorite

1244
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:47,040
things.
Yeah, you'd probably just end up

1245
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:48,840
all nutted out by the end of the
day.

1246
01:15:50,480 --> 01:15:54,960
I'm empty.
All right, anything that you

1247
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:56,800
guys like to add?
I know we're, we're running a

1248
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:00,760
bit late here and we're kind of
rushing the end of this, but I'm

1249
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:02,960
I'm also getting tired so I'm
down.

1250
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,240
So far, I think it's real.
It's just weird that there's no

1251
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:09,560
actual like footprints that
actually look like anything.

1252
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,800
I know that's, well, I know
that's what the BFRO is all

1253
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:15,480
about, right?
It's the BFRO.

1254
01:16:15,480 --> 01:16:20,640
If people don't know, they don't
just put any siding on their

1255
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:22,080
website.
Like they will send

1256
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:26,880
investigators out to look at the
area, look for clues, look for

1257
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:31,800
hair and tree breaks and limb
brakes and all that sort of

1258
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:33,520
stuff.
They'll look for footprints and

1259
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:35,400
stuff like that.
They only put stuff on their

1260
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:39,760
website that they've actually
investigated and have determined

1261
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:46,240
that there's a, that it's
possible or highly credible.

1262
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:50,080
What am I trying to say?
Highly credible, Highly possible

1263
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:56,600
that there was in fact a Bigfoot
siding or an incident in this

1264
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,280
location.
So when it comes to the BFRO,

1265
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,400
like that's, that's their whole
shtick is that they're not just

1266
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:04,400
going to take any Joe Schmo's
thing and say, oh, another

1267
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:07,520
sighting in California or
another sighting in, you know,

1268
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:09,800
Arkansas or whatever it is.
They'll literally go and

1269
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:14,280
investigate it.
So real, real quick there, there

1270
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:19,480
are prints better than the one
that was from that specific

1271
01:17:19,480 --> 01:17:21,240
police report that we talked
about earlier.

1272
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:25,000
This one is owned by a Jessica
Van Pelt.

1273
01:17:25,440 --> 01:17:29,240
This is in his in Chad Lewis's
book.

1274
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:34,440
You can see there, there's
actually multiple pictures of it

1275
01:17:34,440 --> 01:17:38,200
and you have Chad Lewis and and
Kevin Lee Nelson standing with

1276
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:41,280
it right there.
I can't see anything I don't.

1277
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:44,320
Yeah, I know.
I'm trying to get it clear for

1278
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:45,040
you, man.
I'm sorry.

1279
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:46,440
It's kind.
Of I mean, it's clear, but I

1280
01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:48,560
just can't see it.
And like, I don't, I don't see

1281
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:52,760
the Oh, OK, I see that one.
Oh, that one is that one photo.

1282
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:57,640
Shop dude.
No, it's not very deep though.

1283
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,480
No, no.
But I mean, it could have been

1284
01:18:01,480 --> 01:18:04,280
on hard ground too, but.
Could have been OK.

1285
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:10,440
So admonish me again, Skeeter,
you better admonish me.

1286
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:16,600
So yeah, I know that number of
sightings going that far back

1287
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,200
and everything.
I mean, it's got to be

1288
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:20,880
something.
I think so.

1289
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:26,520
I I think big buddy, excuse me,
sorry.

1290
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,840
Oh, fucking Jeff.
Yeah, I said it.

1291
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:36,120
I think big one is got a good
good possibility of being being

1292
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:37,760
I.
Actually heard something really

1293
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:44,280
interesting.
Let's see if I can try to quote

1294
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:45,760
it.
So I was listening to Joe Rogan

1295
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:49,200
podcast today while I was doing
some yard work and they were

1296
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:56,920
talking about he and his guest,
we're talking about aliens,

1297
01:18:57,320 --> 01:19:01,040
right?
And he brought up some of the

1298
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:09,480
topics that we've covered as far
as aliens, but that due to the

1299
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:14,040
early time frame of some of
these, some of these sightings

1300
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:19,240
that it's not like today where
today there's so much

1301
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:25,200
information about aliens and
movies and TV shows and comics

1302
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,160
and things like that.
And the same thing with Bigfoot.

1303
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:30,040
There's so many shows, there's
so many movies, there's so many

1304
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:35,240
this, that and the other that
you could dream something and

1305
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:39,040
believe that you had an alien
encounter.

1306
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,760
Or in this circumstance, you had
a Bigfoot encounter because it

1307
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:46,640
was a really vivid dream that
your brain just inserted that

1308
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:50,880
sort of that sort of content
into your brain.

1309
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:54,800
Or your brain inserted that sort
of content into your dream that

1310
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:58,000
you could come out of your sleep
and believe that you had a

1311
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:01,160
Bigfoot encounter because your
dream was so vivid and you you

1312
01:20:01,480 --> 01:20:03,880
remember it so well, right?
You could trick your brain to

1313
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:07,440
think of that.
But back in the day, back in the

1314
01:20:07,440 --> 01:20:12,080
30s, forties, 50s and stuff like
that, this sort of stuff was so

1315
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:16,000
out there that you really
couldn't.

1316
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:19,920
You couldn't bet that that
people are just like, you know,

1317
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:23,360
dreaming about aliens and the
reporting they've had an alien

1318
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:25,760
experience or UFO experience or
whatever it is.

1319
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:30,160
In the same way you couldn't,
you know, have a Daydream or a

1320
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,680
sleep dream about Bigfoot and
say, oh, yeah, you know, I had a

1321
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:37,040
Bigfoot experience.
So it's more likely that those

1322
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:42,040
older encounters, especially
when they're so similar to other

1323
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:46,680
encounters, are actually there.
There is some validity to them

1324
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:53,880
and I like that.
I guess in this circumstance

1325
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:58,000
there's a history of sightings
that not everyone was going

1326
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:02,040
around and talking to each
other, or maybe they were, you

1327
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:06,000
know, but that there's probably
some validity into the sightings

1328
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:10,400
unless, gosh, I don't know, I'd
have to scroll all the way back

1329
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:14,000
through our your report that you
did.

1330
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:16,720
When was the first sighting for
the 70s?

1331
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:23,200
Nineteen, 1915 in Creole
Springs, Illinois?

1332
01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:27,760
Actually I think it was in 1800s
was the earliest of something in

1333
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:31,920
the area.
You got 1928291941.

1334
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:37,360
The Centerville something The
Centerville something is what it

1335
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:41,440
what something was called in the
in the area of Centerville in

1336
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:44,520
the 1880s.
And was it reported right away?

1337
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:47,520
I don't know.
I don't know much about that.

1338
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,040
You can't really get a lot of
sources for that far back.

1339
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:56,320
Still 1880s and the next
sighting is 35 years later in

1340
01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:01,360
Creole Springs, Illinois.
That's just the the the next

1341
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,480
documented sighting.
Wow, it's a government.

1342
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:07,360
Chimera bro.
So it's.

1343
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:10,520
Probably Chimera.
It always has, but you know that

1344
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:12,520
meme where it's like, well.
No, I'm not.

1345
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:14,640
I'm not saying it's not a
chimera, but I am saying that.

1346
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:17,520
And he's like it always has
been, yeah.

1347
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:21,000
That's probably more real
because I don't know how much

1348
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:26,960
contact people would have from
Creole Springs, Illinois in 1915

1349
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:31,280
and then thirteen years later
and 14 years later in

1350
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:38,320
Carbondale, IL, and then just a
little bit after that in 1941.

1351
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:43,640
So 10 years later in Culp,
Illinois and then 1942 in Duke

1352
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:48,880
Coin, Illinois maybe?
You're thinking it again bro.

1353
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:52,960
And then Murfreesboro, I think
that I think that there's

1354
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:57,760
definitely validity to these
these sightings because it's not

1355
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:00,240
like something you could just
see on Facebook and then just be

1356
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:04,560
like, yeah, I saw that too.
It was white and 78 feet tall.

1357
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:08,800
And, you know, whatever, right?
This would be like, you'd have

1358
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:13,160
to know these people in this
location, or at the very least,

1359
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:17,600
you'd have to be.
You'd have to have been like

1360
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:19,320
this.
This person in Carbondale, IL,

1361
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:23,400
would have had to have been in
Creole Springs, Illinois, at the

1362
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:26,720
same time to read the local
newspaper to see what the local

1363
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,600
report was like.
That's what my brains telling

1364
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:31,120
me.
So when I look at this, I'm

1365
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:32,560
like, that's real.
You know what I'm saying?

1366
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,160
Because there's no social media,
There's no Internet, There's no

1367
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:37,320
nothing like that.
Literally the only way you'd

1368
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:40,800
find out about this is if you
visit the area and read it in

1369
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:44,880
historical newspaper records,
which is not really something

1370
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:47,800
that people do.
Yeah, especially for small

1371
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:51,920
towns, or you would have to have
been there to see the headline

1372
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:55,400
on the local newspaper or you
had your own sighting.

1373
01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:58,040
So yeah, it's real.
It's real, it's real.

1374
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:01,360
Jeff, give us your two and a
half second breakdown go.

1375
01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:04,600
I mean, yeah, I I agree that
something's definitely going on.

1376
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:06,600
For sure.
Like Jake said, it's real.

1377
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:09,840
Is it a Bigfoot?
Who knows, bro, right?

1378
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:16,720
Could be a Bigfoot, could be
some hoaxes, could be chimera.

1379
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:18,840
I don't know.
He's so tired.

1380
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:20,040
Look at him.
He's all tuckered out.

1381
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:23,240
I'm exhausted.
All right, Well, Bigfoot

1382
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:24,480
adjacent.
Thank you.

1383
01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:27,040
That's the that's what I was
looking for.

1384
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:30,680
Bigfoot adjacent.
He does like the word adjacent

1385
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,080
he does.
All right.

1386
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:37,320
Well, that has been another live
episode of the Infinite Rabbit

1387
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:41,960
Hole podcast.
We'll see you next Sunday.

1388
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:46,360
We should be doing La Yarona
with special guest Hor George,

1389
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:52,400
not Hor Jorge.
Hey, it's just George George and

1390
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,000
go ahead and Mark on your
calendar.

1391
01:24:55,720 --> 01:25:01,520
It looks like December 8th.
We will be recording our 200th

1392
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:06,320
episode, The Stoned Ape Theory,
which is already been wrapped

1393
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:09,160
up.
Research is done, editing is

1394
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:15,240
done.
It is, it is going to be fun.

1395
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:20,000
I, you know what I could do.
You know what I could do?

1396
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:23,280
Jeff, hang tight a second.
Dude that freaking picture you

1397
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:27,160
sent in the chat, if anyone's a
a hybrid between Bigfoot and

1398
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:36,600
people, what the even that?
Isn't that funny?

1399
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,240
I thought that was.
Funny, I wish I had a neckbeard

1400
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:42,760
so I could replicate this.
This is so gross, I love it.

1401
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,560
So it's like a reverse chin
strap I'm working out.

1402
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:51,760
Mine right now to look at
someone and have an honest

1403
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,720
conversation with them if they
like Jeff.

1404
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:59,400
Did it die?
Looking at the, It's like when

1405
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:02,600
it's like when I was younger and
I had really bad acne, people

1406
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:04,800
like look at my acne instead of
my eyes when they're talking to

1407
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:06,080
me.
I would just be looking at this

1408
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:16,480
guy's.
I would be looking.

1409
01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:19,080
I would just chin the entire
conversation.

1410
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:21,800
I just not hear anything he
freaking said.

1411
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:25,760
That's hilarious.
Kenzo, what do you think?

1412
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:30,320
Did Jeff do this?
Oh my gosh.

1413
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:37,960
But I want to give a sneak peek
to all of the people who stuck

1414
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:41,960
with us today in the live.
I want to show you guys the

1415
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:47,920
teaser for episode 200.
Skeeter says nice 200 episodes

1416
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:50,680
and 3000 more to go.
Skeeter's given us a time frame

1417
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:52,720
of 3200 episodes and then we're
dead.

1418
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:55,440
That's it, That's it.
I'll take it.

1419
01:26:55,480 --> 01:26:57,040
We're never going to get as big
as Rogan.

1420
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:01,000
I'll tell you. 3200 And then we
all die in a horrible crash.

1421
01:27:01,440 --> 01:27:03,920
Jeff, just so you know, we're
purposely holding out just on

1422
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:05,880
you.
There you go, everybody.

1423
01:27:06,440 --> 01:27:11,240
There is the cover of episode
200, The Stoned Ape Theory.

1424
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:17,520
I will do my best to remember to
delete this from the the episode

1425
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:21,880
that goes live so that there's
something for all of the

1426
01:27:22,440 --> 01:27:25,880
travelers who hang tight for
live episodes.

1427
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:28,480
You better not fuck this one up,
Jeremy.

1428
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:31,440
Oh bro, this is this one's sick.
Dude it.

1429
01:27:31,440 --> 01:27:35,200
Is let me tell you bro, I I
lived this bro, OK?

1430
01:27:35,480 --> 01:27:38,040
By all means, man, if you.
Want to bring your own research?

1431
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:43,400
I am the stone day brother.
I lived this OK, I I've.

1432
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:46,720
Went without shoes for 15.
Years I've eaten the mushrooms

1433
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:50,000
while listening to Terence
McKenna in the dark talk about

1434
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,960
this shit.
Too bad.

1435
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,280
Too bad Terence McKenna passed
away.

1436
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:59,040
Like his brother's alive and
he's.

1437
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:01,200
He's been talking about all of
his stuff.

1438
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:03,800
Yeah.
Yeah, Dennis Mckenna's a legend

1439
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:05,560
too, man.
We should try, we should try to

1440
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:08,560
get Dennis on.
That would be epic.

1441
01:28:09,480 --> 01:28:13,160
That would be that would
probably be bigger for me than

1442
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:15,920
like Tommy Chong.
Yeah, for sure.

1443
01:28:16,440 --> 01:28:18,400
Yeah, for sure.
All right, I'll try.

1444
01:28:18,440 --> 01:28:21,880
For me personally.
I'll try it just for you.

1445
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:25,200
I I tried to get David icon for
you, but I don't think they're

1446
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:26,960
enough.
Bigger than both of those two

1447
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,480
combined.
You heard it here, Kenzer says.

1448
01:28:29,480 --> 01:28:32,200
Heck yeah.
That looks great, Jeff.

1449
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:34,640
You got to shave your mustache
and your beard to look like

1450
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:34,920
that.
That.

1451
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:38,760
That's what you said.
All right, guys, that has been

1452
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:41,200
another episode of the Infinite
Rabbit Hole podcast.

1453
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:47,200
Until next time, we'll see you.
Or actually for those of you

1454
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:48,520
that are live, we'll see you
tomorrow.

1455
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:51,400
But for everybody else, we'll
see you right here in the next

1456
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:53,080
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Rabbit Hole.

1457
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:59,320
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1458
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:01,480
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1459
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:03,760
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1460
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:07,120
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1461
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:10,520
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1462
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1463
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1464
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1466
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1467
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:27,480
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