207. Skinwalker Ranch, Drone Updates, Ley Lines, and Energy

0:39 Welcome back to the Infinite Rabbit Hole podcast. I'm your host, Jeremy. Today we don't know what we're talking about at all. Like at all at all. There was absolutely 0 conversation about the possibilities of what we're going to talk about today. There's no Jake, He, he requested us to, to do this on our own today. I don't know what's going on. Catch up with him later, see what's going, see what's happening. Hopefully it's nothing serious, but it'll be just old Jeffrey and I. Jeff, what's going on? Dude, how you been? Chilling bro, hanging out, working. Good stuff, man. Good. Yeah, I have had a, I've had myself a crazy two weeks, man.

1:25 It's been It's a nut. Yeah, he almost died. I did. I found out that I have walking pneumonia. It's not, it's not that bad. But so we had influenza A come through the house. All six of us got it. My wife, myself and my four kids, we all caught it. And I'm the only one that has this lingering walking pneumonia. Apparently I have fluid in one of my lungs and I, I'll wake up and I'll be, I'll have all the energy in the world. I'll get, I'll kick ass, tick names and get shit done, you know, for an hour and then it'll just hit me out. I'll lose all my energy, I'll start coughing, I'll get a major headache, and I'll just want to sleep.

2:13 And yeah, I'll pretty much be useless. I'll need a nap in the middle of the day and pop some Advil Migraine. Well, I went down to the, to the, to The Walking urgent care shortly after the last recording and they were like, yeah, you, you have some fluid in your lungs, man. Pretty sure you have walking pneumonia or what they call acute ammonia. And they said that because it was viral that there's not really anything we can do about it. If it was bacterial, then they'd be able to give me the, the stuff, right? The antibodies or and antibiotics and but because it's viral just got to let it run its course but it's kicking my ass man it's like today wasn't was like the first day where it wasn't that bad yesterday I spent three hours on my my midday just laying on the couch with my face in the pillow because I just couldn't open my eyes my head hurt so bad but. Sucks dude.

3:31 Yeah, yeah. And I've already used up all my sick time for for work. So that's all gone for the rest of the year. That's pretty cool. That sucks too. Yeah, but I got, I got vacation time and stuff that I can use up if, if need be. But yeah, I mean, hope, hopefully we're we're on the the fast track recovery now and hopefully every day gets better like today. Today was tenfold better than yesterday. But forgive me, you know, if, if if you're listening and you hear me drinking water and eating some cough drops and coughing into the mic and being rude and stuff. I'm having a little bit a little bit of trouble keeping up. Yeah.

4:18 So I apologize ahead of time for that. Don't have a headache? Right now, but on the plus side, I finally got my fucking UFO days poster. Did you? Yeah, Crystal got her shirt. Oh, Jake sent it. That's good. Thanks, Jake. Yeah. And you know what the fucked up thing is? He sent it in this nice, beautiful frame and everything. I was like, oh, dude, you framed it for me. And as I was putting it up, I dropped it and now the frame is broken. So. I bought the frame. Oh, well, there you go. Yeah. You're welcome. It made it here safe. My chest. My chest don't hurt so it's strange. Feels like, I don't know, it's like I, it's like I used to be a smoker, like way back in the day.

5:01 I used to, I just smoked like 2 packs of cigarettes and woke up. But yeah. So I, for those of you that that don't know, I'm going to start spreading the word now. I, I got a new project right around the corner. I'm not ready to announce exactly what it is, what the name of it is, and show you guys all the cool artwork and all the fun stuff yet, but it's coming soon. I've been spending a lot of this downtime working on that because it's, it's literally the only thing that I can do.

5:43 But it's pretty, it's pretty fun. And I, I think, I think, I think I enlisted the wife to finally help me out with something. She was, she was more willing to help me because it was only me. She's kind of shy, so she doesn't, she didn't want to put anybody else down other than me. So she's like, she's like, if I'm only going to hurt you, I don't care. That's fine. Damn. I was like, I'd be, I would be so proud to have you join this this project. So that'd be really cool if, if she does end up helping me out, she doesn't want to be behind the mic.

6:25 And it is a podcast, so we'll see. We'll see. I hope so. That'd be a lot of fun. That'd be cool. Get involved and it's another thing you guys do. Spend time together and shit, you know it. Would be it would be honestly, you know, unfortunately be one of the few things that we do do together. We don't do too much other than parent. But yeah, she's, she's my whole world man. And I, I would, I would welcome her into one of my projects with open arms. I hope that I hope that it would be it would I hope it comes true, man it I hope she listens to this at some point. And I know she won't. I know she won't. But in case she is one day, I hope that she took that leap and helped me out with my next project. But anyways.

7:14 Hell yeah. Excuse. Me. Bro so you saw they fucking came out about the drones in New Jersey and said it was a bunch of nothing. Yeah, they said it was the FDA or the FAA, sorry. They said that that it was some sort of practice thing that they were they were testing some sort of emergency systems or. Some sort of? Communication thing, but yeah, but that's bullshit. Man, when I say that, I think we could roll the tape back and I'm pretty sure I said, I'm pretty sure they're just running a a test or they're running a fucking. I didn't use the word test. What was the word? I used like a scenario somebody will run it back. I said this. Yeah, I don't know, man.

7:57 I don't know. I, I, I feel like that's too convenient. You know, that it's, it's, it's too easy to answer it that way. That I, I feel like if, if there was any validity to that, that would have been something that they had come out with right off the bat. You know, they, they, I. Don't know, man, see some of the stuff that's happening right now, like, you know, some of the incompetence that's been shown to have been happening over the last three or four years, you know, just in the last couple weeks, some of the shit that's come out, like some of the money that they were throwing, you know, sending what was, I don't remember the number, $500 million worth of condoms to Gaza. It's like, OK, bro, like and there was countless, countless programs where it was just incompetence like across the board, right.

8:44 So it's, you know, FAA is like, yeah, go do your thing. And then every other agency is like, you know, just. Yeah, man, I don't, I don't know, man. Hey, I'm I'm tired of this whole the whole UFO thing. I can't explain how much UFO stuff that I have ingested lately, especially over the last couple weeks it's in. It's insane. I was just talking about this. Hopefully I don't ruin this for him, but Jason Hewlett, our old boss man from the Paranormal Network is getting ready to launch his own paranormal podcast and I just recorded with him on his show. I'll be on his third episode whenever he chooses to release it.

9:30 I think he said he's going to release it sometime in March and so look forward to that. Anybody listening when Jason Hewlett drops his his podcast? I'll be his 3rd guest. And we were talking about it a little bit and you know, I just talked about the, the overload of UFO and UAP news that's, that's been out there and how it's so hard to keep track of now because you have all these different people that are coming forward. You have so and so said this, you know, especially when you have like, you have these camps that are coming out, right? You have the Elizondo camp and you have the, the man. What's that?

10:11 What's that doctor's fucking name? You know what I'm talking about Greer, right? You got Greer coming out and then you have that that that interview about the egg UFO over at News Nation. And then you have people that are responding to all this stuff, but they're not responding to all three of them. They're only picking and choosing one at a time and they're not being very detailed about what they're responding to. So it the confusion as to what they're responding to. And then you have a lot of people that are just not very educated about the, the acronyms and, and, and you know, what they're, what they're referring to and what they're the acronyms that they're using isn't correct. Like I was reading this, this article the other day about, and I mean, it was a full length article about this whole thing about a TIP and the UAPTF.

11:09 So if you didn't know, a tip is the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, which came out. That was where what Louise Elizondo was the head of as part of the, the Pentagon's attempt to or it's still going on. It's just under the, the, the acronym ARROW now AAROAARO. But there this was when the US military was having issues with these, these UA PS And this is when when the, the UAP name really came out during all these congressional meetings.

11:53 Excuse me. And they started creating these standardized forms for, for military pilots to fill out whenever they had these these encounters with these unidentified aerial phenomena. Well, we had these this entire, this entire article that came out and I want to say it was CNN and I was just reading through it and they kept talking about the UAPTF, which is Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Task Force, which it it was AI would say like a spin off organization of, of a tip that was specifically set aside to create a, a report for the, for Congress, specifically for that congressional hearing back in 2021, back when.

12:49 Yeah. What was it? What was the the the the main guy's name in that first congressional hearing? Do you remember? You talking about the tatted up dude? Maybe, I don't know. The journalist or the dude that he was interviewing? No, the the military guy. Oh, I don't remember man, if you said his name I'd probably recognize it, but I don't remember. Yeah. Question for you real quick. I'm sorry to throw you off. Are we live on X as well or just on Twitch? I don't know. Oh. OK. Hold on, I'm going to get this guy his name real quick because I know he's going to drive me nuts if I can't figure out remember his name. No, I guess I'm not going to be able to to get it. Somebody find that for me on the chat. Excuse me everybody.

13:43 Fucking ruin the show just. Yeah, I know, I know. I'm dying. Just got to got to get better at this I guess. Yeah, I don't know, I'm tired of UFO shit too, man, to be honest with you. It's kind of like not it's interesting to like ponder a crazy possibilities, aliens and interdimensionals. Like obviously like it's just interesting thought experiment stuff. But you know, just thinking about it like what's happening right now around us with that kind of thing isn't really like super interesting to me, to be honest with you. Yeah, Now there's stuff kind of in that realm that's interesting to me. Like you get into like Skinwalker Ranch stuff or like, you know, weird. I don't even know if I want to use the word paranormal, but just like, you know, areas that seem like portals of some kind or something weird, like that's interesting, you know, and I understand there's like orbs and UFO sightings that happened in those areas, but I think those are much different than like your typical like UFO sightings, if that makes sense. Well, it's funny that you, that you say Skinwalker Ranch because, you know, I had, I had just kind of made the announcement a little while ago that I'm shutting down the, the IRH Patreon.

15:03 And that was supposed to be February's topic for the Patreon. And I have since migrated that over to the, the, the new projects, one of the one of the topics in the new projects. And when we were on the paranormal network, Speaking of Jason Hewlett, I originally did the Skinwalker Ranch. I think we did it in two or three parts or whatever. And it was 21 pages. I've now got that up to 68 pages long. Yeah. And it, there's a lot there, man. And if you want to take a, take a, a side sidestep into Skinwalker Ranch, that's something we could talk about pretty heavily tonight.

15:58 There's a, there's a lot of history there that I failed to, to, to talk about last time. I don't know necessarily what where we would even start, but basically the gist is if I were to summarize Skinwalker Ranch and to kind of open up people's eyes about what what is really going on there, you have to you can't look at Skinwalker Ranch as the 480 acre property that it is in the northeast corner of Utah in the Uinta Basin.

16:40 You have to look at the Uinta Basin as a whole. The Uinta Basin has a magnificent history of some of the weirdest shit that you'll ever hear about, mostly in the form of UFOs in the form and two separate categories. And that's basically going to be mimic throughout the world and throughout history, right? You have the, the solid metallic craft and then you have the, the illuminated energy or AKA the orb, as many people will refer to them as.

17:24 Now the earliest mention of anything strange is back when the native tribes the utes and the I'm going to butcher it, so I'm not going to even try. But I don't have my notes in front of me right now, so I'm just going to stick with that for now. Where the the native tribes had this these warring mythological stories going back and forth about their skinwalker legends, and sooner or later they ended up taking on some reality to them and they started showing up in the forms of upright walking, canine figures, shadow people, portals, mind control, and objects in the sky as well as disembodied voices. Jeez.

18:28 So Fast forward to 74 when a book by the title of the Utah UFO Display by PhD. Doctor Frank. You know what's funny? Frank Salisbury. Here it is right here. The UFUFO, The Utah UFO Display by Frank B Salisbury. This is the second edition which came out in 2010. The 1st edition came out in 1974 and in the the the 1st edition, which I also have over there as well, he makes a lot of mentions about some really, really old cases that were put together by this this gentleman by the name of Junior Hicks, who this is before the the Shermans took custody of the the Skinwalker Ranch property in 1994.

19:35 So this is before any of the legend of Skinwalker Ranch made its way into mainstream anything and was really even known outside of any. Honestly wasn't known at all because back when Edith and Kenneth Myers owned the property prior to 1994, they owned it. Since 1933, they've never reported anything outside of their two neighbors, one to the east and one to the northwest, with their adjoining properties Which? Had very seldom conversations with the Myers about some of the happenings on their properties, but it was Frank Salisbury who put together Junior Hicks reports from as early as 64 to the year prior to when this.

20:31 When the 1st edition of this book was released in 73, he put together some 60 different reports and shut it all in the very first chapter of the book and then use the the next. I I think he the total of 10 chapters in the entire book where he talked about various points of view on the the subject of just the UFO phenomenon in the UN to basin and he just focused on the Uinta Basin as a whole, not Skinwalker Ranch. Because remember when this book came out, Skinwalker Ranch was nothing.

21:15 So there was before Skinwalker Ranch even made its way out into the public. The area that encompasses Skinwalker Ranch and surrounds it engulfs. It was well known for all of this stuff well prior they had things such as they had these two very common physical craft that were commonly reported to Junior Hicks. He was one was called a double convex and one was called a convex planner. That those were his own personal names that he he prescribed to these these craft.

22:06 If you look, if you think of the the terms double convex, this is kind of like a, a lens thing, right? So think of like a, a typical flying saucer, right? So it's like this guy, right? You have the, the convex sphere on the top and the convex hatch sphere on the bottom. This was one of the more common reported shapes of the you went to Basin at the time of the collection of the 1st 60 reports from Junior Hicks. The other one was the convex planer, which was half convex, which was the top portion and planer being flat at the bottom, so like a Dome.

22:53 And then a third one that was often reported was your orbs, which came in many different colors, mostly in red, white, blue-green, yellow. And there there were many different kinds of reports. And Frank Salisbury, the author of the book, did a really, really, really good job at separating some of the most of these reports because he didn't report on all of them, just, you know, picked and choose which ones to really dive into. But he, he did a good job at deciding which ones to do so with because he he segregated ones to really showcase the differences in The Who, what, where, when and why's. He even included some from people outside of who, who lived from outside of the UN basin.

23:48 And one particular case that comes to mind was one from a hunting group from Salt Lake City. They work for a company and they were on a company or business hunting trip together. And they were driving along a Ridge where they one of the gentleman noticed a what they looked like to be a fire up on a Ridge. And but this this fire, this red glow seemed to be traveling with the truck. It was mimicking the speed at the truck and and moving in the same direction. So the driver stop the truck to see if the if the glow would stop with the truck and it never did. It kept going and as it broke the peak of the Ridge and and and continued out into the open air, it revealed itself as a large glowing fiery red ball to what the the men described it or compared it to as like a harvest moon.

24:49 You know those really large orangey red moons that you get when they're very, very low in the horizon? And it, it kept floating at roughly the same speed as how the how fast the truck was moving until it basically just completely stopped and hovered there. And, and it revealed itself as one of those double convex shaped craft before it basically took off directly skyward until it almost faded away. And it as as quick as it it took off, it returned almost to the exact same spot, but slightly closer to where they were. I'll try to move my face then kid thinks. And they watched it for another 30 seconds. They did.

25:52 One of the guys had made a comment about how they believe that this thing was was watching them and waiting for them to make a move. But when they didn't they just decided to to to kick rocks and and leave. And where Then it left in the same fashion as it left the first time. And this time it just decided to go then, you know, I mean, we get a lot of really good information. I'm not going to really bore you guys with the, the details of the, the Shermans or the Robert Bigelow eras because we, we dove into that quite a bit. And I don't want to, I don't want to give away too much, but I mean, I've, I've got, like I said, 68 pages worth of research into it. And there's there's just an absolute shit ton of of stuff to talk about with Skinwalker Ranch. Now.

26:50 Sorry, I kind of took the long road on there for you there, Jeff, but. Yep, episode's over. Good job bro. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know, man. Like there's a lot of weird shit, you know, like the problem that I have though is that all of this to me is just hearsay. It's just he said she said type of stuff. Because like, I haven't really seen anything. Like even all the videos and stuff that you can find on the Internet of a parent stuff that's going on, none of it's really good, right? There's no solid videos. It's just like, fuck, man. It's hard to tell what's real anymore on top of that. So even if you do get a real good video, it's like, oh, is that just some AI, you know, deep fake shit or something?

27:36 So, but I do think that there is something to, you know, like energy portals on certain places of the earth and what's going on there. I mean, we could, we could guess for ages on what it is or why it is, but there's definitely places where there's like energy, whatever going on portals, you know, Geo man sees shit, you know, Ley lines, whatever the case might be. I think it's probably more like some Ley line grid, energy grid type situation. The ancients probably knew about it too. I personally don't think you're too far off with that, right? But there's, there's three major hypothesis when it comes to the answers behind Skinwalker Ranch, right?

28:23 I mean, in the in the big scheme of things, there's hundreds of opinions about what's really going on there. But when you really narrow it down, there's three big ones. There's the skeptics point of view where everything is either misidentification or a hoax or people lying for publicity or to make a quick buck. Personally, before I did research into Skinwalker Ranch for the Paranormal Network back when we were part of that, I thought there, there could have been some weight to that. But I, I, I, I really pulled away from that once we did that episode and even more now that I, I got a really good chance to dive into that as thoroughly as I did recently. The second one is what they refer to as the nuts and bolts hypothesis.

29:29 And, and this kind of goes down to paths to this either delves into the world of the extraterrestrial or the humans, right? This is either that most of the phenomena is based on either one of three type of extraterrestrial, one from another planet, one from which is called the cosmic trickster, which we've talked about before here on the show, and one from an interdimensional. And then you have the. Wait, that it that it is all three or that it's one of? Three. It's one of the three. Or, you know, honestly, the answer is more, more or less most likely going to be some sort of mixture of of more than one of these answers anyways.

30:16 I highly doubt that anything in the preacher natural or in the 40 and that we talked about on on the regular here is is a solid 1 answer in most cases. Right, like if one entity can do a thing and then why couldn't others? Yeah. So like for example, right when I, when I get to the end of this, I'll kind of explain a little bit more because hypothesis #2 like I said, nuts and bolts there. A lot of people will say that this is something physical in the gist of of all of this. Doesn't matter whether you think it's extraterrestrial, interdimensional, a cosmic trickster at play, or a gin right is what we mostly will know these these cosmetrist as or it's human beings doing human being things for experimentation, military exercise, reverse engineering, whatever it may be. It's nuts and bolts physical and we can physically touch whatever it is.

31:26 The third hypothesis is what Frank Salisbury refers to as the Stargate hypothesis, and this is where you mix together the concepts of of wormholes, interdimensional portals, portals to parallel worlds, so. Stargates are awesome. Yeah. And and Stargate he uses as sort of like an umbrella term for those 3 concepts, right. And personally, personally, I think that, I mean, I don't know, man, I, I, I think it was at the, at the end of the two-part two or three-part series that we did with the paranormal network where I was kind of leaning towards the cosmic trickster play where I don't know, it just kind of I, I, I like when things answered more than one question.

32:35 And I felt like the cosmic trickster kind of did that for, for Skinwalker Ranch. But in the, with all the, the additional research that I did, especially when you, when you include the, the massive amount of history that the, the general area has of the UN to basin, I think there's much more going on there. And I think that it's something older than than just this cosmic trickster concept. And, and I, I think that that we're literally looking at a place where where the, the literal fabric between parallel worlds may be thin. And I think this is kind of, you know, plays into the, the concept of Ley lines a little bit. And I think if I know we never really dove into the real, you know, the the the TS and I's of of Ley lines before on on this this podcast.

33:45 But show me your nuts, bro. That's fucked up. But there's a lot of concepts we're. Talking about my snacks in the chat, I know I saw I got mixed nuts here, all right? It's a fucking bird food. It's actually delicious though, I'm not going to lie. Showing everybody is nuts. Fucking delicious. Here's my ASMR bird. But there's, there's a lot of lot of theories behind the concept of Ley lines. And most people will look at magnetic lines, you know, natural magnetic lines of the Earth and contribute that to the, the build of Ley lines. And they'll they'll make a cross reference to specific locations of of physical monuments such as, you know, pyramids, Giza, Skinwalker Ranch, yeah, if you bring those if you bring up these pictures, if.

34:49 Yeah, these are Ley lines. Yeah, bring bring up a bring up a good picture of these Ley lines, man. It, it basically wherever you see a, a crossing point at these Ley lines, there is a hotspot to be found, right? Mount Shasta, a Bermuda Triangle, I mean the list goes on. Basically wherever wherever you you can think of a hotspot in the preternatural or the paranormal, a Ley line gets intersected.

35:30 There's actually a website, I don't know off the top of my head. I can't really run it either while we're streaming. Probably because it's like Google Earth. They mapped Google Earth with all the different Ley lines. And the thing about Ley lines is there's a shit load of them, right? It's like one of these things where if you've ever gotten into gematria or numerology or you know, astrology, any of these like esoteric type things, there's a lot of different translations or whatever, if you want to call it right. So on this like Google Earth 3D live world that you can like rotate around and zoom in on, you can activate all these different Ley lines from like different ideas.

36:16 And of course there's a line that crosses almost everything depending on which one you're using. Right. What, what, which cultures Ley lines or witch version or whatever, whatever. Yeah. But there is something to like some of the major ones, you know, they all do kind of coalesce around certain locations, right? And you're right, they're like Giza's one, you know, South America. There's there's few South America. There's some of them in North America as well. Basically, the Ley lines originate at these major points of structures and they're supposed to be basically gener energy highways and where they crisscross, they're supposed to give birth to other areas of paranormal or 40 in hotspots, which is, believe it or not, Skinwalker Ranch is one of those crisscross spots.

37:18 Now, whether or not that's true, not 100%. It's, I personally have never really dove into the concept of, of Ley lines as a possibility of, of, of, of being based in reality. I'm open to it and one day I'll, I'll dive into it and look at the evidence and, and make a educated decision on it. But for now, it's, it's a, it's a cool concept that I like to play around with. And let's just say that, you know, we, we talked about this and, and from, from my point of view with the stuff that I do know about the stuff that I have researched, the thing that makes most sense to me when it comes to these Ley lines and Skinwalker Ranch or are you into basin is what if these intersecting Ley lines actually highlight areas of which parallel worlds have very thin veils or membranes, if you will, between the two? Is this it right here?

38:25 Yeah. Yeah, there you go. So you can add different over here on the left. This is leylines.net over on the left. You got like explore map data. I already selected one filter just to make sure it was working and shit. So there's like all these different folders, like global lay lines, you know, sites, anomalies, all this stuff. Here we go. Let's look at this one. Ancient maps, right? This is cool. So you can Add all these different these. I'm not sure how you get the lines that connect, but yeah, there's a way on here that you can add one of the filter. Oh, there it goes. Look at that. Nice. Oh yeah, dude.

39:06 Right, so and yeah, I'd like depending on which one of the ones you're using, they'll yeah, they make geometric patterns it. And this is what's interesting too, is because like a lot of the ancient like philosophers and mathematicians and all these people that like got us to where we are, they knew this, right? This is why they built certain sites on on these intersections. This is why they put like these geometric patterns, you know, look like here's a star, right? And if you rotate this just right, that's like a pentagram, right? And that's used in every culture. And this is just geometry. So you could break this down into any shape and any fractals, right?

39:51 What are the orange dots? I don't know. I don't. I picked random filters to be honest with you. What is this? That's Peru. Oh, so that's that's the the what you call it the the big pictures that you see on the ground. God, what are they fucking called the the NASCAR lions? That's. What that is? That's got to be, yeah, Peru has to be. Yeah, so, well, there's a lot of shit in Peru, man. But you know, and who knows how like accurate this particular thing is with these lines, but I'm sure it's pretty accurate. I mean, dude, like this seems pretty legit. There's a lot of shit on your Platonic solids. I don't even know what this means, but I'm going to add this to the map.

40:38 Fuck it. I'll give it a give it a second, see what happens. Does anything happen? I love these 3D masks man. Look at that fat star over Antarctica. What? Dude, it's too bad that we we're not on a planet in space and we're on a Flat Earth, man. Too bad, man, too bad. Too bad it's cool shit though. I dig it, man, I dig that kind of stuff. But I do think that the ancients knew that kind of stuff. And then you have to ask yourself a question if in how long ago was Egypt apparently fucking, you know, founded 3600 BC, something like that.

41:26 I don't know man. 56000 years ago. They already knew where to put it then. Yeah. Which means this goes way back, man, way back. I think that this kind of stuff really leads to leans in on like the we're much older of a civilization than we think we are. I think that there was a lot of stuff at play back then, a lot. I mean, especially when you start looking at the, the influence that astral bodies had on the placement of some of these, these monuments like the pyramids, Giza and, and Orion's Belt, you know, I mean, it's just incredible how some of this stuff was built to perfectly align with with astral bodies.

42:16 It's it's mind blowing. And like timing too, you know, if you stand right here every whatever 270 years, the sun will pass perfectly through and the light will shine. You know what I mean? It's like that connection too. It's not just where they put it, but it it within the construction. They built time and clocks into this as well. Yeah. And you really wonder, like, how much time did they have beforehand to figure this type of shit out? It's incredible. And, and the what's the I've been really, really thinking about this lately and I've been trying not to go down this rabbit hole, but the 13 month calendar, what do you know anything about that?

43:02 Yeah, go ahead. Sip your fucking coffee, guy. Don't worry about the show. We'll we'll wait for you. Sorry man, I'm over here fucking chowing down salty ass peanuts bro I'm mouthed. Motherfucker. Yeah, man. I mean, I don't know much about that ship to be honest with you, but I am aware of what you're talking about. I think there's definitely something to that. I feel like they were on the right track with that shit man. I mean, if you look at what makes sense to me is that the new year wouldn't be in January, in the middle of winter right now. You could celebrate like winter solstice, you know, as like the beginning of the end of winter because ancient peoples hated the winter time. The winter time meant death.

43:50 That meant half the half of your people froze to death, the other half starved to death, right, because there's no food to grow. And that was just a terrible time in the year. And then the spring would come and it symbolized birth and you know, like rebirth and like all this type of, you know, fertility and all this shit. And that was just like the cycle of, of our ancestors lives forever, right? Whether it was like the farming or with even US procreating, like, you know, you can even people have even done the the science and this like when it started getting cold and people started locking themselves in the in the Hut shelters and stuff, right? That's when they started fucking breeding. And then when it started getting warm and shit, that's when the kids were starting to pop out and it was like the whole time of spring was like this thing.

44:36 So I think that when you track like, I forget which culture exactly, but like the new year starts on like the spring solstice, like that's their new year, right? And then if you talk about the 13 calendars and you break it into I think 28 days or 26, whatever number it is per day, and it's like the moon calendar or something like that. I bet you somebody in the chat knows more about this shit than I do. But there's definitely something to that. And I think that, you know, they, the people who have been siphoning our soul energy for hundreds, if not thousands of years, have been manipulating things all the way down to the level of like, time and how we perceive time and what time it is and fucking, you know, what season it is and what we should be celebrating as far as like the sun cycles and the moon cycles and that kind of thing.

45:24 You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, we got a pretty lengthy comment here from Nate and MLMPLS. Ley lions are kind of a joke. I believe there are certain locations with more energies of various types that anyone could take a map or globe and draw lines on it claiming that they're that's where those energy centers are. Nobody is blocking the globe and measuring these energies. Even if you found a location with higher than average energies, you can't say there's a line connecting to the other locations around the world. It could be a pocket of energy due to geological features or underwater. So I, I actually aligned pretty close with with with that statement. Like I said, I've never really done a deep dive into the the whole concept of landlines.

46:12 One of these days I will it it's. That as well too man. Honestly, for the most part I'm just saying that there's something to it, right? Like there's got to be at least a little nugget of something there that a lot of these super ancient sites do happen to align in certain geometric, you know, patterns around the globe, right? Like purse. I'm not. And it could be as simple as as like the the architects of the Great Society that live that we forgot about, right? Call it Landis or whatever empire it was. Maybe they just did that as a way of like what we do now, right. Like when we put a fucking what do you call the big shaft thing? The fucking obelisk. Yeah, the obelisks are everywhere. You know, it's like it could have been a thing like that. Like, we'll put our fucking monuments like on these geometric locations around the Earth just to symbolize that we were able to build around the Earth, you know, everywhere. See the, the, the problem with Ley lines for me, right? And you know, I, I, I'm not a huge fan of taking a shit on subjects, right?

47:16 So I try to try to tiptoe around these kind of things. But the problem with Ley lines for me is, is that the people who heavily believe in them, they assigned the power to the, the, the monuments first. And then they draw the lines and they assign the power to the lines. And that's the problem, right? I, I feel like if you found the lines 1st and then the lines brought you to the monuments, that's when you would have more of a, some sort of oomph, some sort of real something behind the claims behind landlines, right? But if you assign the power to the the monument 1st and then you draw a line and then you just assign energy to the line. Because you say that.

48:07 Couldn't you say the same thing about like the celestial alignments? Yes, but when I, when I talk about like Giza, right, I'm not, I'm not claiming that there's energy assigned to Giza because it aligns Celestial Lee, right? Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm just saying that I think it's impressive that it aligns perfectly with Orion's belt. I think that's that's incredible, you know, and. And what I'm saying is, I'm equally impressed that the ancient civilization we forgot about built these these monuments in a geometric pattern around the planet. Yeah, I mean, there's, there's definitely some, some some cool shit around a plant. Like we had just talked about this, I think whether the last week or the week before, or maybe even the week before that, where we talked about how there's a lot of really similar architecture all around the world in Asia, Africa, South America, when you talk about the Aztecs and Egyptians, right? And how there could potentially be these underground civilizations that had found their way to the surface that brought their architecture up from, from these underground pockets of civilization and, and brought their architecture in the form of these, these pyramid like structures that we now see today that we see all across the world, right? I mean, we, we see this stuff everywhere and we see architecture across vast distances around the same time or same time frame, but

49:38 absolutely nowhere near each other that are separated by these humongous pockets of ocean where, you know, finding your way to these specific points on the planet and back. You would, I mean, maybe, maybe maybe I'm just ignorant of, you know, ancient technologies that were available back then. But, you know, looking back at what they, what I believe they had and what I, you know, learned about in, you know, my adventures, I don't think that they had the tools available to be able to do what, what, what's, what's physically shown without, you know, the, the missing puzzle piece of, of, of an underground civilization. I, I mean, I listen, I'm not going to argue against that. I would just offer another perspective that they wouldn't be able to do that without the help of time, right? So like, you know, I think humans are smart. I think we're smart enough and capable enough to do that. I think you just give us enough time and enough, you know, freedom to do this thing or whatever you call it. We we could do that kind of thing. And that's all I think.

50:59 I think it's just and it maybe it's cyclical. You know, every so often, whatever happens happens and you know, she gets wiped, we forget about the last cycle. But and that could just be from like fucking super volcanoes, you know, meteors or could be like nefariously done or could be like part of the simulation reset. So who knows how deep that goes. But you know, I do think that there is something to time. I don't think you necessarily need like an advanced species offering us help, giving us technologies or doing something that, you know, we couldn't do. I think you we could do it if we stretch our history back instead of going back 10,000 years since we've started like writing shit down and making pottery and like doing math and stuff like that.

51:49 I think that's, you know, they're saying 12, maybe 12 or 15,000 years if you count like Gobekli Tepe, that's like accepted science, 1212 thousand years or not even. Yeah, maybe no, 56000. Whatever it is, I'm saying you give it like a whole other 30,000 years before that. That's probably where the civilization existed. Yeah. And fucking, you know, all the crazy shit was built. So, so side tangent, side tangent of this side tangent, that's a side tangent of another side tangent that we took today, right? Who is mistress of Muggles? That's a new name.

52:30 I haven't seen that name. Hello. Mystrix of Muggles is a friend of mine, actually. What it do? What it do? She's awesome. Did you ever get a chance to listen to my Soul episode on the Aquatic Ape theory? Maybe. What was? This was a recent one. No, it was. Recent. It would have been about this time last year, probably then. So I recently came across more reading material on this subject. I originally thought that Elaine Morgan, who was the person who brought the concept of the aquatic a hypothesis, or as a lot of people would, would, would probably be more comfortable with knowing it as the aquatic aid theory.

53:22 I thought that she was the only person that really ever wrote a book about this, but apparently I was wrong. This, this person, this guy by the name of Peter Rice Evans wrote a book called The Waterside Ape. And this book right here I, I recently started reading it is he took Elaine Morgan's concept of the aquatic ape hypothesis and really dove into human anatomy. And he makes some really, really compelling evidential points about how we could have spent some, some solid time in water man. And and not just that, but he also bridges a little bit into how we could have spent some time underground by making some of the same points as if that Elaine Morgan made when she wrote the the book the aquatic ape hypothesis and how he draws parallels between animals or creatures that live a sub aquatic lifestyle, such as like elephants, hippos, rhinos, right.

54:50 And they, they don't have hair, right? They have a fleshy body, but they also require moisture as if as in humans do. And they're parallels to other creatures similar to that, such as the naked mole rat that lives underground basically their entire lives, also does not have hair and also requires moisture. Where as hair or fur covered animals don't require as much moisture to, to say, you know, keep their, their dermis properly hydrated to a point to where if they don't, they could potentially die.

55:38 It's a, it's very, very interesting. And you know, he he does a really, really, really good job at at drawing a picture of how we very well could have come from either underground and some wet caves or from the shores of from some some pretty interesting places. Man, it's I can't wait to dive into it. Again, it could be too man. I mean, you know, if you think about the the length of time that I'm talking that I think about anyways, or I'm talking about, you know, especially when you get into like some of the shit that like Graham Hancock says. And I don't know if he's right or not. But, you know, it's interesting to think about where, you know, if the Sphinx wasn't actually a lion originally and it was facing the constellation of Leo and the rising sun. Yeah.

56:33 You know, and then like you can use simulation, computer simulations to run the clock back like when the last time that was. And it was like I said, 30,000 years ago, whatever it was right before the younger driest events that wiped everything the fuck out, right? So and then if you run the clock back again before that, it was whatever was another 30,000 years, right? And you can do this with a lot of these sites. And again, you know, it's kind of like the Ley line thing. Like, sure, you know, you can run the clock back on anything and see what was there and like make some assumptions or whatever. But I think you probably could at least go back one cycle of 30,000 years where humans were probably doing some crazy shit. And before the whatever happened during the Younger Dryas, whether it was a comet, fragmented comet that wiped everything out, you know, on two different occasions over the course of a couple thousand years. Or maybe it was like some fucking super volcano or whatever the case.

57:31 What? Maybe the Earth just shifted, it tilted in the sun, melted all the ice and it just wiped everything out. I don't know, but I think there was definitely some building going on and I think they knew about some weird spooky shit in places. I wish I didn't build shit there. I wouldn't be surprised if they if they were aware of the, the thin membrane between parallel worlds, if, if they had some, some way. And, and this is, this is kind of where you know that you could add some, some sort of reliability to the, to the concept of Ley lines.

58:14 If these monuments were built at these areas where this membrane or this veil was thinnest between parallel worlds, maybe they built these monuments such as these pyramids or other, you know, structures Machu Picchu and and others where this this veil was so thin. Where you get the strange phenomenon that you can just walk a ranch like these orange clouds that when when look through in in specific angles you can see blue skies through or you can see an upright walking canine creature walk through and walk into our our existence out of nowhere through this orange cloudy tunnel.

59:12 You know, that could be something as simple as like the magnetic field of the earth or something like that. Like some or some field that we just don't know is like interacting with the brain somehow, you know, or it could be something that simple where the phenomena is just like what the fuck is happening? Like literally just a phenomena like. Yeah, and, and, and you know, I, I know I'm, I'm trying really hard to keep pulling this back to Skinwalker Ranch. But like I said, I just, I just got done literally just yesterday, just got done with my, my really big deep dive in the Skinwalker Ranch there. You know, I don't know too much about the Mormon faith.

59:53 And I'm sure if, if Jake was here, he'd probably be able to elaborate. He probably knows something more than what I do. But from what I understand. They are much more extraterrestrial friendly than, you know, let's say like, like, you know, modern or standard Christianity is right. Excuse my ignorance if if that doesn't make sense. I'm not, you know, well versed in that kind of stuff. But I do know because Frank Salisbury, the author of this Utah UFO display, is a, is a Mormon man. And he does talk about the, their openness with the concepts of extraterrestrials and planets outside of Earth and, and whatnot, and how their founders took to Utah because of their, because of the, the, the, the I, I, you know, I, I hesitate to use words that I'm forcing into position here, but, you know, for the lack of a better term, I would say for the thinness of the veil that, you know, that I used to describe such places as, as, you know, like the Aztecs, pyramids and stuff, right? The same concept is basically how he was, he was sort of explaining that that they that they chose this northern Utah area, the UN to basin and, and its surrounding areas to, to settle in.

1:01:24 Because when you think Utah, you do you think Mormons, right. That's a. That's a very common thing to to make a connection with. When I think Utah, I think first state that's going to have a Bitcoin reserve. Maybe. Probably my words, I'm sure, I'm sure you're probably not wrong. But you know, maybe there's something there too. Maybe there, you know, maybe they, maybe they did choose that state, that general area of the country because of a thinning of, of some sort of world connectivity. You know that that's the whole Stargate hypothesis that Salisbury put out.

1:02:08 He also included word holes, which is not something that connects parallel worlds or or multiple dimensions, but connects vast distances in space through the universe you know. You know what's interesting to me, man, in this, you know, I'm going to go on a little bit of a derail here, I guess, but it's like, you know, from my perspective, you had this civilization that was building these monuments, you know, for whatever reason, but they would build their cities around these monuments, right? And like they had, it seemed anyways that they had like a different view on like our relationship with the universe and nature, right?

1:02:52 Like they were doing some kind of worshipping the stars. The cities were built around these giant monuments that were like somehow interacting with, you know, the world and the universe, you know what I mean? Like by being aligned celestially and, and that kind of thing, right? So they were interacting with the universe, with their architecture and their, and their civilization, right? Whereas now after the cataclysm, let's call it, right, some, Jake would call it after the flood, right? I would say after the younger dries, right? It seems like the system that has taken control now, it has us away from those things, all of those places, all of those monuments and those types of things.

1:03:36 You know, we don't. With the few exceptions, you know, those are in the middle, like Utah. What the fuck is in Utah? Nothing. Right. And it seems I, I would argue that that's probably by design, right? Like, you know, they didn't we didn't rebuild massive cities around Machu Picchu, you know, in the same kind of way that the ancient peoples did. And we're not using the same like architecture in like astrological shit. Now, some people would argue like, well, that's progress. We don't have to do that, dummy. We have computers and technology and like, we can fucking use a clock instead of stare at the sun. And it's like, sure. But you know, does this make sense? Like, it seems to me like there's a different order.

1:04:17 I don't. Know if I don't know if this is the path that you're trying to go down, but you know, my question is what if what if the cities that we're building like New York, Chicago, LA, Dallas, right. These are these are actually, they mean nothing. These areas mean absolutely nothing. And it's the, and it's the rural areas, the the Appalachians, the the Uinta Basin, the the northern portions of Utah, the. Well, that's what I'm saying, right? That that is what I'm saying right there's. The the National Park System. Yes, listen, there's a conspiracy theory, if you want to call it that, that's out there rolling around somewhere. I don't know exactly what it's called, but it's like, you know, microchip Earth or something.

1:04:58 And the idea is that like all of the cities, if you look at them, if you zoom out, you look at all the skyscrapers and you look at the the grid patterns of the roads and the streets, right? Like these are all set up kind of the same way that like microchips and like transistors and like all this stuff is set up as well. And it's like they've set everything up in a way to like harvest your energy, right? I'm going to go esoteric on you guys for a minute, right? Like they put us in these they, they put us, we do it ourselves. But like the cubes, these squares, like these solid geometric patterns, right? Like, you know, it goes deep on this deep level of, of this like psyop, like soul sucking energy type of shit. So, you know, when I think of fucking, it's like the new world order, right?

1:05:44 The last, the previous order, the one that built all the cool shit, they were worshipping fucking nature in a different type of way. They were interacting with the universe. We're in a current order now where it's like separate from that one. They've, you know, blocked that off from society almost. We're in this new structure. It's like microchip fucking soul siphoning, you know, grids, you know, and then like the new world order that's coming and the next cycle, which will probably take like 100 years or two for that to like fully be implemented, will be like whatever the next fucking thing is. Transhumanism, fucking weird amorphous BLOB culture. I don't know, sorry, I don't know. I just had to.

1:06:25 I had to go deeper a second there. No, dude, you're good. You're good. I do. Got to get going, though. I got to get up. We got a snowstorm coming in tonight. Well, maybe the weatherman, the other man doesn't make up his mind very well. But yeah, man. And that's about all I can really do. I'm sorry to get a massive headache again, but all right, everybody in the chat. Thanks for stopping by. Appreciate you guys. Guys are always awesome to to read through what you know your, your inputs. Please keep it coming next time. Really do appreciate it. I look forward to to making more announcements here in the near future.

1:07:07 Look forward to it, please, or I look forward to it. You guys hang tight and can't wait to, to just to spill the beans and, and bring you guys in on some of the, the cool plans I've got going on. Jeff, it's always a pleasure, man. Thanks for the thanks for the good conversation, that dude. Hell yeah brother, up your head, it goes away. Get better buddy. We'll see, man, We'll see. All right, one toler. Until next time, everybody. This has been another episode of the Infinite Rabbit Hole podcast. We'll see you right here in the next 4 Path of the Infinite Rabbit Hole. Bye, buddy.

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