208. The Disclosure Paradox w/ Author Paul Vecchiet

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Welcome back to The Infinite
Rabbit Hole.

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I'm your host, Jeremy, and today
we got a special guest in the

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house.
But before all of you get to

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learn about him, you get to
learn about us for the 200th and

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some odd time.
Jake, how are you doing, bud?

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I'm cold.
I I got bored yesterday and so I

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shaved off a year's worth of
hair and my face, just like the

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Old Navy days.
Whitney knew that if I was ever

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bored for more than 5 minutes
that I was and I was within

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arm's reach of Clippers.
I just shaved my head just

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because it was something to do
so and it's easier.

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So yeah, I'm going to let it all
grow back out now.

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Just start from bare bones.
And I've spent the day working

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on setting up my home gym and
doing all the doing all the

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flooring.
So ripped out all the carpet and

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put down all the all the gym
mats and everything.

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Tomorrow I'm going to be
building up my Smith machine.

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So I went out and spent a bunch
of money on some barbell weights

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and yeah, going to get swole is
as the the kids say.

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I think they still say that.
Yeah, no, they definitely do.

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They definitely do.
Trust me, I have.

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I have a lot of them.
So yeah.

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I would know this, but yeah,
man, I hope you like that Smith

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machine.
It's the same one that that I

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bought.
And it's it's a beast, man.

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I I love it.
Yeah.

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But yeah, I mean, it's cold out
right now.

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And I think one of the worst
ideas you could have is just

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shave all your hair off.
Well, I wear hats, so we're

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beanies outside, so there's
really no need to have a bunch

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of hair because no one can see
it anyway.

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Yeah.
So yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Anyways, yeah man, well, I did
something cool this week.

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What'd you do?
I got myself a tattoo.

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I seen that look at the
pictures.

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Look at it, look how cool he is.
That's pretty cool.

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He's a pretty cool.
It's a it's a jackalope coming

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through a portal, although it is
not my infinite rabbit hole

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tattoo that that will that will
be coming when when I go with

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you, Sir.
I can't.

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I can't.
I don't know.

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It's like I want to get some
forearm tattoos, but I also want

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to be like the CEO of a company
one day.

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So I don't know if that's a good
combination, you know.

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CE OS all have tattoos now.
Man, yeah, Do they?

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Yeah, they all do.
All of them.

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Yeah, every one of them.
Everyone.

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Of them, yeah.
Yeah.

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Some of them even have face
tattoos.

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No dude, they're just too
expensive.

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I got other stuff I spend money
on, like motorcycle parts and

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stuff and just, you know.
I, I was reading an article the

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other day about, man, I can't
remember the, the name of the

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company.
It was some veteran owned

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company and he was talking about
tattoos.

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It was in the ink magazine.
And the guy was, he was the CEO

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and he was talking about all the
tattoos And he's like, literally

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man, I have my butt hole
tattooed and, and I was like, I

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was like, there it is.
I mean, and that, that was the

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trigger.
I needed to go out and get

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another, another tattoo.
And I was like, oh, he could do

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it.
I could do it so.

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Dude I haven't gotten a tattoo
in like 8 years, it's been a

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minute.
Well, we're gonna have to go see

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my boy Alex over at Skin Shape,
Skin Prints in Eau Claire.

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Man, he does good job.
Look at it.

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Look at it.
Did a good.

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Job it's it looks good.
It looks good for sure.

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I just don't know.
I don't know if I can commit.

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I hate all my tattoos except for
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I've got 14 of them.
They're all, they all suck

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except for one of them.
And I'm just like, I don't know

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if I want to do that again,
especially where people can see

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it when I'm, you know, except
for when I'm wearing shorts.

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You can see all the ones on my
legs.

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But yeah, all.
Right.

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Well, let's, let's stop wasting
our guest time.

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Yes, let's, let's bring him into
the table and get him introduced

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to all of the listeners.
We are doing something new

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today.
Now, we've had plenty of authors

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on this show before.
The authors that we typically

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would have are the ones that
will do books for where I do

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most my research from.
Hence all these books back here

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if you're watching on Twitch or
if you're watching on Spotify or

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YouTube.
But we're doing something new

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today, but with A twist.
We are going to talk to our very

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first fictional author, but
comes with a nonfiction twist as

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he has real life experience with
the topics that he's writing

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about.
I am personally very excited to

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introduce everybody tonight to
Mr. Paul, Vicki yet, Paul,

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welcome to the infinite rabbit
hole.

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How you doing today?
Great.

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Thanks for having me at on your
show, Are you there?

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Now I, we are, we are having a
little bit of a connectivity

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issues.
It looks like Paul is slightly

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delayed just a bit.
So Please be patient with us.

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Paul, can you give us a little
bit of a background on who you

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are, what, what the topic of
this book is and what makes you

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the expert on the topic?
All right, well the book could

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be a an autobiography, except I
don't use myself as the main

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character.
The main character is based on

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me and all the characters in the
book are based on real people

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and based on real events.
And the the effort is to explain

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the link between the extra
extraterrestrial phenomenon and

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our spirituality and how we
relate with the rest of the

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universe and why it's not a good
idea for disclosure.

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You know, the book is called the
Disclosure Paradox.

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And the the paradox is how are
we as a human race supposed to

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improve ourselves if we're not
allowed to know what's wrong

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with us?
And, and what we are is

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essentially we are quarantined
from the rest of the universe

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because we are considered a very
dangerous species.

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Our intelligence combined with
our DNA, which makes us violent,

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barbaric, have an irrational
obsession with possessions, and

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worst of all, being racist to
the point of genocidal makes us

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a very dangerous species that we
need.

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They need to contain us from
going out and about.

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Yeah.
So there's a there's a lot of

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parallels here.
So this is this is a concept

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that has been talked about quite
a bit in the world affording and

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subjects, right?
One at one very famous concept

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or conversation that was been
brought up is the Fermi paradox,

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right?
So the Fermi paradox asks, well,

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if the universe is so populated,
why have we never been contacted

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by anybody?
One of the answers to this is,

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well, we're stupid and we're
mean and nobody wants to talk to

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us because we're defective,
right?

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And every movie shows us killing
the visitors.

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Right, right.
It's like, it's like, oh, look,

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there's a shiny thing in the
sky, let's shoot it down.

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Yeah, or there's there's
something that landed on our

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planet.
It doesn't understand our

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customs.
It comes into my house, takes me

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onto their ships.
Shove something up my ass.

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Now I'm going to kill it.
Where in it's in it's customs.

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That's like the the best thing
it could do for you, right?

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And but the with all jokes
aside, right, there is a a a lot

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tied into this there.
There's a lot of theories that

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that revolve around what Paul is
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There is the the zoo theory
where planet Earth is considered

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a galactic zoo of, of, or a
Petri dish of many different

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animals from across the Galaxy,
all put into one place as it's

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some sort of experimental
television show, if you would

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right, where the scientists fly
around in flying saucers and,

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and they, they come down and
they, they take biological

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samples of, of, of their
experiments every once in a

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while.
And it comes in the form of

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cattle mutilations and, and
alien abduction victims like the

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communions or like of Whitley
Strieber when he gets visited by

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the visitors there.
There's a lot here, right?

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And, and, and there is the, the
concept of the galactic council

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of where the human race has been
banished to the planet Earth

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because our ancestors were so
bad and cruel and mean to not

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only ourselves, but every other
species that in the universe.

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And we we lost the privilege to
be a part of the group.

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And we have been banished to be
by ourselves to the point to

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where we just destroy ourselves
as our as our final punishment

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for our judgement.
And that my sort of on the right

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track there, Paul.
Well since you are knowledgeable

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about people that have written
non fiction, are you familiar

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with Robert Dean?
He was AUS Army Sergeant Major

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and apparently he was given the
role of having contact with

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these extraterrestrials through
his psychic ability because

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they're, they're telepathic.
And the messages that he got was

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that Earth is actually a school.
The, the extraterrestrials refer

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to Earth as a school for our
spirits.

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And the way it's set up is that
the spirits cannot experience

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the the human experience, which
is love and pain and suffering,

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everything that makes us human
without being linked to a, a

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human being.
So the individuals that you

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know, say that we have souls, I
call them spirits.

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And it is here where the spirit
learns about being human.

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And then when they we pass on
that spirit goes to download,

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you know, what was in life.
And and if they learned the

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lesson of of compassion, of
love, of beauty and creativity,

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all the things that you know,
make the the human experience,

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then they are allowed to
advance.

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And if if not, then then they
recycle back to to Earth to

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learn the lessons that they
missed.

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So Earth is actually very
important to the universe

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because it provides the the
forum for the spirit to engage

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that way.
In fact, Earth is more important

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to the extraterrestrials than
the humans are.

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They can replace the humans,
they can't replace Earth.

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Jake, what do you got?
You're not.

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I'm not going to argue with our
guests.

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I'll argue with you.
I'm not going to argue with him,

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it's an interesting take, but it
it sounds like was it Buddhism?

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Yep, essentially there's a lot
of Eastern religion.

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I know much about it to be
honest with you.

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It's true, yeah.
There's a lot of Eastern

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religion in there.
I mean, that's that's I would

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say that that's a probably if
Jeff was here, he would probably

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agree with you 'cause he's, he's
definitely well, he definitely

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has repeated that sort of thing
is at least in in theory of like

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it's a interesting thought of
like maybe This is why this it

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all of this is right.
I mean, I would disagree, but

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when it comes down to it, I've
never died before.

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So I don't, I couldn't tell you
beyond a shadow of a doubt that

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I know, but I have AI have a
faith that, you know, I'll be

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with the Lord, Right.
So, yeah, that definitely has a

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very Buddhism type feel to it.
And I've heard that before,

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certainly.
But you know, you're you're

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doing the whole thing that
people get tattoos and you can't

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disconnect anymore.
Posting that.

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That's fun.
Yeah.

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I'm still have my reservations.
Jeremy, You're not going to

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convince me to go get full
sleeves unless you pay for him.

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No, but so Robert Dean is an
interesting topic.

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He's very interesting actually.
I want to say he's done or at

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least he's been in a few
documentaries.

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And basically the gist is, is
like you said, he he bases his

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knowledge around this top secret
government document called the

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assessment I believe it was
called.

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And it ties in heavily with the
concept of like near death

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experiences, reincarnation and
the the multiple lives theory,

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like Paul was talking where life
is life is, is all about

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lessons, right?
And you go there to, to learn a

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lesson.
And if you don't learn that

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lesson, well, then you have to
go back.

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And then if you do learn a
lesson, if there's more lessons

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for you to learn, you can come
back as a different soul to

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learn another lesson.
And once all your lessons are

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are checked off the list, then
you move on to the next stage,

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whatever that stage may be.
I'm not too familiar with it.

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I know that he had he claimed to
have this, this kind of off

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title, this off top secret
title.

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If I remember, it was like
cosmic top secret or something

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along those lines, which is
which is a kind of a strange

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title just because just because
top secret isn't necessarily a

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title.
It is a privilege to a specific

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topic.
Just because you have a top

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secret clearance doesn't mean
that you have a clearance to

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everything top secret.
It means that you have the right

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the the need to know about a
specific topic.

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So like, you know, I have a tops
of your clearance about this

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water bottle, right?
I can, I need to know everything

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about this water bottle, but I
also have the, the duty to make

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sure that nobody else knows
about this water bottle.

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So I need to check your
paperwork and your credentials

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to make sure that if I share any
information about this water

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bottle that you have the need to
know or the tops of your

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clearance to learn about it.
I'm doing a.

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Terrible job showing everybody
on that water bottle on the the

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video.
I know right?

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Revoke your clearance.
But it, it's so when he has,

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when he, when he was talking
about like the, I may be wrong

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with the cosmic top secret, but
it was a, it was some, some sort

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of top secret clearance where he
had like a, it was some sort of

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astral body term that he used in
front of the, the term top

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secret.
And that was like, that was a

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sort of a red flag for me, for
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But I then I remember that he
ended up suing like his

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hometown, like his town in the
southwest.

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It was either New Mexico or
Arizona because he worked for

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the the town or the city and
they ended up letting him go or

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treating him unfairly because of
his beliefs in UFOs and aliens.

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He ended up winning.
He ended up winning a

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discrimination trial for it and
he ended up winning like 6

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figures or something along those
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Good for him.
Yeah, he's he's since passed

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away, I believe, if I.
Remember correctly.

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He has since passed away.
But, but, but, but his story's

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really good.
It's a, it's a, it's a very,

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very fascinating story.
He, he, he does make some pretty

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out there claims, but the, the,
the interesting thing about some

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of the claims that he makes is
that they're reiterated by other

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people, right?
And, and that's the, that's the

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fun thing about all of these
these people who, who make these

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kind of claims, is that over
time, you start to hear more and

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more people come out with
similar claims and concepts.

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And that's what we're really
hearing now when when we hear

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like Lou Elizondo come out and
he's talking about the these,

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these gravitational displacement
craft that literally displaces

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gravity around the craft, the
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And that's how they're able to
move at all these incredible

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speeds and duties, incredible
movements that would literally

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leave a human being inside of a
human built craft in the in a

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consistency of soup, you know,
and but.

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That's sloshing around in there.
But, but I mean, what do they,

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what do they call them?
They call them like all domain

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vehicles, right?
These UAP all domain vehicles

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where they, they're flying
through the air and then all of

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a sudden they dive into the
water and then they see him jet

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up into the sky and straight up.
And obviously the only, the only

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place it can go to is what Jeff
likes to refer to as fake outer

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space.
And you know, so that it doesn't

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matter where they go.
They're they don't skip a beat.

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They just go right and, and it
doesn't matter what the

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resistance is.
But apparently after reverse

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engineering.
And then you have Bob Lazar from

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years ago that are that's, that
was telling you about this, You

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know, 20 years ago, 20-30 years
ago, Bob Lazar was telling you

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about this, this gravitational
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technology that these vehicles
had.

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And nobody was listening.
Nobody, nobody took them

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seriously.
And now they're talking about it

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on congressional floors.
Lou Elizondo is talking about it

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in his book Imminent.
You know, it's it.

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I don't know.
I I know I kind of went off on a

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little bit of a tangent there.
But that, you know, just to talk

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about Robert Dean.
That's kind of the same thing

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that we're seeing is that, you
know, Robert Dean was come was

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talking about this kind of
stuff.

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But you're seeing the same sort
of fashion come out with some of

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the outrageous things or people,
you know, were claiming we're

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outrageous that Robert Dean was
talking about.

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Now you get some people that are
coming forward, but medical

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doctors that are talking about
near death experiences like we

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just did that.
What, what did we do?

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Like a 2A2 part series on near
death, near death experiences a

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little while ago.
Some of those exact same things,

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those exact same concepts that
we were talking about near death

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experiences, Robert Dean was
talking about decades ago, 2

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decades ago, when these studies
on near death experiences came

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out five years ago.
It's, it's, it's some really

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interesting stuff, man.
It, it, it, it really is.

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You know, yesterday's wacko is,
is, you know, somebody who, who

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really understood something
about the world that we live in

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today.
It's, it's, it's really, really

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fascinating stuff.
Sorry, Paul, I I know I kind of

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went off a tangent there man, I
apologize.

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So Paul, I want to know how it
is.

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So how does the this concept of
we are here to like learn a

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lesson or, you know, whatever,
all that stuff.

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How does that come into play in
your book that you wrote?

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Because you said that it's, it's
based off of real events that

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have actually happened.
The characters are based off of

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real people, the main
characters, you know, based off

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of you, although everyone has
different names and such like

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that.
So what is the what is the the

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non fiction element to it where
you know, I'm, I'm sorry, I I

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didn't read your book, but you
know.

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It's not out yet.
It comes out February. 18th

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Well, there you go.
Right?

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Well, there you go.
That's why I didn't read it

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right.
I don't blame that.

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There are a lot of elements that
are non fictional that are are

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truth that that can't put
together the the puzzle for you.

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The first has to do with
meditation.

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And there, there are two key
meditations for me that aligned

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with what you know, people like
Robert Dean said.

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The the one that really got me
was when I saw a cloud of

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indigo.
And when, when I visualized it,

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I had a, a feeling of euphoria
that you can't experience here

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on earth.
It was a, a happiness that, you

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know, you probably would
attribute to being in heaven.

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So as I got closer to the cloud,
the cloud dissipated and I saw

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flashes, all of Indigo and and
the flashes were, were

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brilliant.
It was like a a beehive of

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activity and countless flashes.
And again as I got closer, the

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feeling of euphoria got
stronger.

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And it was then when I got a
message of what I was seeing,

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which was the source energy,
what what people call God and

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what the source energy is, it's
energy made-up of energies.

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So all of those flashes are
spirits between lives that are

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either downloading their
previous life or uploading their

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next life.
And they all combine to make

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this this source energy.
And when that energy has one

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conscious thought, it makes for
a very powerful event.

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And once I realized what that
was, I was back in my body.

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So.
So that's one small element.

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That so so you.
Go ahead.

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I'm sorry, we're still having a,
a bit of a lag here.

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So I just, I'm trying to sorry
if I'm being rude.

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So you had you said that you
were meditating and you had what

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was it some sort of like an out
of body of experience or was

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this something spiritual?
No, it wasn't an out of body

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experience.
Yeah.

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OK.
And then you, you you said you

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visited like an energy.
Was this like a like a can you

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explain that a little bit more?
You said it was like a a bunch

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of flashing lights.
Right, right.

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Yeah, It's just imagine a a
massive beehive and instead of

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bees, you see indigo lights
flashing.

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That's that's what it was, a
huge structure that was

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emanating that that kind of
energy.

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And of course, the euphoria was
probably part of that that

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output.
Very cool.

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That's that's freaking really
cool.

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So is this something that you
could do on command?

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No, that's the thing.
Another out of body experience

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is was that I was allowed to go
through a a wormhole, which was

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absolutely an amazing, amazing
experience.

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If you saw the film contact
with, I forget, Julie Foster.

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Yeah, Julie Foster.
It was like that.

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It was, you know, lights, it was
motion.

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I was trembling in my chair.
The heart rate was was high and

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I and I and once I realized what
was happening to me, I was back

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in my my chair.
So those were the two key out of

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body experiences that I had and
everything else is really

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subtle.
It it as far as, as, you know,

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a, an outside force affecting
me, it's through synchronicity.

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It's through meeting people,
psychic women that would tell me

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the same message over and over,
but about, you know, what I'm

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supposed to do.
And, and it's really just about

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getting a message out to, to
people in in a way that I'm

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using fiction because I, I can't
compete in the nonfiction realm.

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So I'm using fiction to.
May have lost them there.

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Do you get me?
Just wait a second.

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Where did you lose?
Where did you lose me?

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It's tough to say you were in
and out there for a second.

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You were.
You were talking about fiction

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because you can't compete,
right?

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I I caught that bit.
I think we lost him where he was

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talking about psychic women
getting a message out.

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Right, Yeah.
So one after another, the the

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women were telling me that I
have a role to play.

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And, and so I, I, that's part of
the, the messages to try and get

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this book out in in the form of
fiction because.

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While while he's while he's
working with that Jake.

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Yep.
Have you have you heard of

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anything like this before?
No, but I don't, I don't do the

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meditation thing.
I'm not in those circles.

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So I'm sure it's a thing.
Yeah.

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The only thing I can think about
with meditation is the, I think

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it's called the Kundalini spirit
or something like that.

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This like that sort of like
intense out of body, sort of, I

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don't know.
I think there's there's like

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this in the Christian circles.
They talk about that as far as

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being a demonic thing, but it's
like the the, I believe it's

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like the state of like when you
achieve what you're doing

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meditation wise, like you get
this super intense feeling of

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like not being present and joy
and all sorts of stuff.

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And it's like, but I don't know
it it obviously I'm, you know,

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you can hear the way I'm
describing.

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I don't really know.
I've heard mention of it.

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But yeah, I'm not in the circles
of the meditation sort of stuff.

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So it could be something that's,
you know, talked about quite

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regularly and I just would have
no idea.

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Yeah, no, I get it.
Paul, you're back.

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Hello, Sir.
Dang it, Jeremy.

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It jinxed it.
I did.

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Jeremy, you suck.
I do.

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No, I, it's man, honestly, it
sounds like a very, very

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interesting book.
It really does.

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I, I I'll be grabbing a copy for
sure.

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This is definitely right up my
alley when it comes to the type

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of subjects that I like to read
about, whether it be the fiction

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material that I have upstairs or
the material that I have down

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here.
I do have some topics that that

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fit right in.
Like I do have some of the

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topics such as near death
experiences.

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I do have things like Deja vu
and you know, I, I, I recently

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got some books on the Akashic
records and, and stuff where

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we'll eventually, you know, dive
into some of that.

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It looks like, looks like we
lost him there.

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He, he backed out.
Hopefully he'll come back in and

449
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,520
finish up.
There he goes.

450
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,400
Let's see.
Let's see.

451
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,560
Paul.
Hello, Sir.

452
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,800
Yeah, I'm good.
I'm back.

453
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,760
Is that better?
Is that well?

454
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,760
Here we have a, we have a
question from a listener right

455
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:32,560
now.
OK.

456
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,200
Do you mind taking a question?
No, go ahead, go ahead.

457
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,920
We might have lost him again.
I don't know, Paul looks like it

458
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,560
might not be your night there.
Dude, that sucks.

459
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,480
He he, he has a very interesting
story.

460
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,320
I'd, I'd love to hear the rest
of it, honestly.

461
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,400
Really.
We'd have to plan to have him

462
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,120
back after his book comes out
and we all get a chance to to

463
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,480
look into it, to find a more
appropriate Q&A about specific

464
00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:00,520
events, not just like, you know,
kind of, you know, trying to

465
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,480
glimpse into something that you
know, no one has, you know,

466
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,040
access to yet.
Try not to leave too much Dead

467
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,520
Space in this episode.
Not doing a very good job at it,

468
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:20,480
but so I, I punched in his name
on Spotify to see if there was

469
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,400
any other podcasts out there
that he's been on as of

470
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:28,240
recently.
There were a few and I, I pushed

471
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,880
one and the other podcast audio
was so bad.

472
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,040
Paul's audio was great on that
one, but the the audio for the

473
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,360
other show was terrible.
I was like, all right,

474
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:47,720
excellent.
And then you there, you just

475
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,840
tell us a whole story.
I think you guys are back.

476
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,400
Paul, we lost you for a solid
couple minutes there.

477
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,360
I know.
I don't know why it's.

478
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,600
The government, it's the
government interfering.

479
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,960
So you had a, you had a
question, you said somebody had

480
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,480
a question, right?
Yes, yes, Mistress of Muggles

481
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,480
has a question.
They want to know was there any

482
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,560
sensation of temperature.
No.

483
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,320
And this was this was asked back
when you were talking about the

484
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,320
the indigo lights.
Right.

485
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,360
No, I didn't feel any difference
in temperature.

486
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,880
That's interesting question
because because probably because

487
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,120
it was going into the the
spiritual realm.

488
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,760
In the spiritual realm, the
connection is with the the third

489
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:40,080
eye chakra and you're you're
separated from your body.

490
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,760
Yeah.
Was there any impact on any of

491
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,720
your senses?
Not only that's The thing is

492
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:56,320
that in in that realm, you're
you're gaining your information

493
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,480
through through your pineal
gland in your mind.

494
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:06,520
That's essentially your your
spiritual receiver with with

495
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:11,239
that realm and everything else
the the senses are are

496
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:12,800
irrelevant.
Time is irrelevant.

497
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,480
Space is irrelevant.
Yeah, it's, it's a wild concept.

498
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,120
We talked about it quite a bit.
We've talked about the Akashic

499
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,800
Records quite a quite a bit on
the show.

500
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,840
We've talked about, I mean,
we've, we've talked about drug

501
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:32,639
realms too, you know, DMT and,
and we just did an episode on

502
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:40,000
the stone date theory, you know,
we talked about, we've talked

503
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,199
about a lot of, a lot of
different out of body realms

504
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,719
before.
And the, the whole, the whole

505
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,239
concept of it is, is, is really,
really fascinating actually.

506
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,719
And I've heard, I've heard
multiple other shows talk about

507
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,680
it, especially some of the
really big ones, you know, Joe

508
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,760
Rogan and Shawn Ryan, just to
name a few.

509
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:13,040
And I've heard some really,
really good personal experiences

510
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,680
from these realms.
Other than the wormhole and the

511
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:25,480
indigo lights, have you had any
other experiences that have

512
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,240
caught you off guard?
We'll go with that.

513
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:36,000
Well, as I write in the book
there, there's an instance where

514
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:43,200
I have a dream about something
and the next day it shows up on

515
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,760
a Facebook page.
There's a lot of like little

516
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:55,480
synchronicities that that occur.
But you know, I want to point

517
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,440
out some some real world things
though that that occurred also,

518
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:05,840
and this may get your attention.
Jeremy, I stumbled upon a secret

519
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:11,920
basement when I was in the Air
Force at Wright Patterson at

520
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,960
Foreign Technology Division.
They have secret basement, and

521
00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:22,440
in that basement was a 70 by 90
cryogenic chamber.

522
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,760
And that aligns perfectly with
Phil Corso's account of of what

523
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,960
they, yeah, of what they did
with the cadavers from Roswell.

524
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,480
And now you, you go to Google
Earth and you look for that

525
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,680
building and it is gone.
Not only that, there are no

526
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:48,880
records of it being existing.
So you were on Wright Patterson?

527
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,560
Yeah, I was at Wright Pat in the
80s.

528
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,720
How long were you there?
Five years?

529
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,440
That's crazy.
Any any any other interesting

530
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,720
stories from Ray Patterson?
No, just just that one.

531
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,720
And that one was big enough,
I'll tell you that.

532
00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:12,840
I kept that secret for five
years after I left the service.

533
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,680
But I used it in.
I used it in the book to add to

534
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:25,880
the plot.
The Wright Patterson.

535
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,280
I can smell the smoke coming
from your ears, just spit it

536
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:37,240
out.
Well, it's, it's like I'm trying

537
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:44,040
to put timelines in my head and
I'm thinking 80s, what was what

538
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,280
was?
I mean, because Wright Patterson

539
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:52,880
is at the, you know, at the
epicenter of almost every big

540
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,800
UFO anything in this freaking
country, you know, trying to

541
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,840
think of one from the 80s and
just like, come out with

542
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,400
something.
I mean, obviously everyone knows

543
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,080
about Roswell.
Yeah, right.

544
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,120
And everyone puts Roswell into
Area 51.

545
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,520
But the, you know, the rumor is,
is that Area 51 was the cover

546
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,520
story and that.
Yeah.

547
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,880
And then and it really went to.
Right, Pat then there was

548
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:28,160
Kecksburg in the 60s where the
you know, there was the the talk

549
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,880
about how they they took the
acorn shaped or the Nazi bell

550
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:43,440
shaped craft to Wright Patt in
65 with the Roswell crash going

551
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:48,360
in 47, which would have been I
want to say it was just before

552
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:56,760
the what's his face is Kenneth
Arnold's saucer stuff.

553
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:03,600
Yeah, Jake, you know what I you
know what I just learned about

554
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,160
Roswell.
It's just just to go off on

555
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,240
another rabbit hole.
There was actually two there was

556
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:14,040
actually 2 crash sites.
Did you know that?

557
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,360
And that when it.
Learned it from that Annie

558
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,080
Jacobson book.
No, I haven't ready yet.

559
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:27,360
I haven't ready yet.
But apparently when the, when

560
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,520
the, the Roswell site was
discovered, they originally

561
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:38,360
thought it was an adversarial
aircraft watching our budding

562
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:44,840
atomic program, you know, the
Manhattan Project working on,

563
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,400
you know, our, our detonation
techniques and stuff out there

564
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,360
in the middle of bomb fuck
nowhere.

565
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:58,320
And you know, 47 was when the
crash happened and the end of

566
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:04,200
World War 2 was what, 45, right?
Hiroshima and Nagasaki happened

567
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:10,800
right around that time.
And the Manhattan Project was,

568
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:17,920
you know, I think it, I think
the Einstein memo got signed in

569
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:23,880
39.
So everything kicked off right

570
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:30,880
there, right in 1940 with the
Manhattan Project and with the

571
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:36,280
end of the of World War 2 and
the beginning of the Cold War,

572
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,240
they thought that it that the
craft could potentially have

573
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:47,080
been Russian.
And they thought that the EMP

574
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,600
blast produced by the atomic
weaponry that they were testing

575
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:57,760
actually caught the the the the
Russian craft and that they were

576
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,160
actually going to be able to
reverse engineer Russian

577
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,440
technology.
And that they were surprised

578
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,880
when they found the four alien
bodies that they did.

579
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:16,040
Yeah.
So potentially the Roswell crash

580
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,920
was caused by an EMP pulse from
an, an atomic weapons test.

581
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:29,000
But I don't, I don't know if I'd
buy that particular reasoning

582
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,160
for it, but I think it's a, it's
a, it's an interesting

583
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,720
conversation to have.
But I do, I do think that when

584
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:41,960
they originally approached it, I
think that the idea that they

585
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,720
were, that they thought that
they were approaching like a

586
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:49,360
Soviet aircraft.
I think that that definitely

587
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:54,000
could have been true.
But then the the massive cover

588
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,240
up on the massive amount of
resource and money and and man

589
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:03,840
hours that they put the to cover
it up with the whole, you know,

590
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:12,480
weather balloon explanation.
Just ceding the government

591
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,720
distrust, yeah.
Yeah, just just goes.

592
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:22,520
To answer your question, I can't
find anything about Iliad or UFO

593
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,800
things in the 80s over at Wright
Patterson.

594
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:32,800
But there was Robert Carr in
1974 who claimed that they had a

595
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:40,160
hanger titled Hanger 18 that had
alien bodies in it that the US

596
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,440
Air Force then in the 80s came
back and denied having.

597
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,760
In 1985, the Air Force issued a
statement denying that Wright

598
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,400
Patterson Air Force Base ever
produced ever possessed alien

599
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,160
bodies or UFO technology.
That's interesting.

600
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,000
That's right.
That's that's Paul's timeline.

601
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,040
Yeah.
So if he comes back, we'll have

602
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,840
to ask and see if he knew
anything about that or I don't

603
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,160
know what his role was.
He was.

604
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,080
Was he?
You say that he was an Air Force

605
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,640
or was he an officer?
Yes, I believe he was.

606
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,360
I apologize to anybody
listening.

607
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,520
We were trying to get that
interview in.

608
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,800
He is.
He does have a very interesting

609
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,200
story to tell.
It does seem like he's having a

610
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:33,920
bit of issues with his Internet.
Hopefully we can get that

611
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,440
figured out.
If not, you know, we'll try to

612
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,080
figure it out another day.
But to read I, I've been talking

613
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:45,040
with his publishing agent,
Heather, who is very nice just

614
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,920
to kind of read off what she
sent me.

615
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,600
Let's see his real life
discovery of blueprints for an

616
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,840
underground cryogenic facility
beneath a military warehouse

617
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,960
turned secure building, as well
as other eye opening encounters.

618
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:03,280
Going beyond science fiction
genre, the book is also a

619
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,400
thought provoking exploration of
humanity.

620
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,560
Humanity's relationship with the
universe.

621
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,440
The idea that humanity's
spiritual growth is essential

622
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,320
for survival and advancement.
The notion that Earth is viewed

623
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,280
by extraterrestrials as a
dangerous, primitive planet,

624
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:22,200
Intelligent but ethically
deficient.

625
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,640
His exploration of
extraterrestrials and knowledge

626
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,160
about their contact with Earth.
How the United States military

627
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,880
industrial complex treats
information today.

628
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,960
Let's see this.
The Disclosure paradox, which is

629
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,800
the name of the book, is
published by Right Away Books

630
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,560
and available from Amazon,
Barnes and Noble books-a-million

631
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,920
bookshop.org, Waterstones, and
other retailers.

632
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:56,240
About the Author Paul G
Vickyette is an author whose

633
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:59,880
speculative fiction bridges U.S.
government cover ups,

634
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:04,560
extraterrestrial phenomena,
spirituality, and the future of

635
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,880
humanity.
As AUS government civilian and

636
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:13,400
former US Air Force civil
engineering officer, Vickyette

637
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:20,680
draws from real life experiences
in his novel The disclosure.

638
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:25,400
The disclosure paradox Inspired
by transformative meditation

639
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,960
experiences in 2009, vickyette
weaves elements of his personal

640
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,760
journey, including the discovery
of a hidden underground space at

641
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,040
a large, secure military
facility, into a storytelling

642
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,920
which we now know as right that.
Born in Italy, Vickyette

643
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,120
immigrated to the United States
as a child after earning a

644
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:50,760
Bachelorette or a Bachelorette.
A Bachelor of Architecture from

645
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:56,600
the University of Illinois,
Vickiette served as a civil

646
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,000
engineering officer in the US
Air Force with assignments

647
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,680
across the globe.
Today, he lives in Captain

648
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:06,360
Bridge, West Virginia, and For
more information, please visit

649
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,800
thedisclosureparadox.com.
Hey, there you go.

650
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:16,360
See, there's a, there's his, his
drop for his website.

651
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,160
So please check that out for
him.

652
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,560
That's cool.
We've got something there for

653
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:29,120
him.
Hey, Danny, Danny to catch you

654
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:35,320
up We we have we have a guest
had have both have and had a

655
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:46,360
guest Paul Vick.
Yet he is a fictional author who

656
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,280
who has weaved personal
experiences into his story.

657
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:53,440
He literally just joins in the
second you get done reading his

658
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:57,600
entire bio.
Dang it.

659
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:04,800
Well, read it again.
But yeah, it's he, he has some

660
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:09,080
Internet connectivity issues.
So we're we're just hanging out

661
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:16,560
BS in right now waiting for him.
We may or may not get him back

662
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:17,320
on.
We'll see.

663
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,880
Yeah, I'm going.
I'm going for the the Jeff look

664
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,440
these days.
Yeah, I think that's one of the

665
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,080
more popular topics today, the
chat.

666
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,080
The chat has been going off
about Jake's lack of hair.

667
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:39,080
Factory reset.
Nice.

668
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,960
So I don't know if I told you
man, but I got I got walking

669
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,760
pneumonia.
Oh, that's what.

670
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,920
That's what Big Mac had.
Is it?

671
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,640
Yeah, he got, he got walking
pneumonia, lost like 30% of his

672
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,160
lung capacity.
Yeah, I.

673
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,840
Don't know what that means, but
it doesn't sound good.

674
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,560
It means that I have fluid in
one of my lungs.

675
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,840
And the medical term is acute
pneumonia.

676
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,360
They call it walking pneumonia
because it only effects one of

677
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:13,600
your lungs.
So you can still breathe and

678
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:20,720
move around.
And it it can take like three or

679
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:23,480
four months until I'm feeling
normal again.

680
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:28,680
But we had that influenza pass
through the house, got all six

681
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,200
of us.
Jeez.

682
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,720
Yeah.
And it was bad, man.

683
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:39,360
Like I So my temperature spiked
one night to one O 4.6 and you?

684
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:45,000
Have to take an ice bath?
No, I'll tell you that story off

685
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,640
the mic, but it was it was
weird.

686
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,440
It was weird, weird, weird.
You know what screw it, Let's

687
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:52,200
talk.
Let's talk about it.

688
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,120
So I was sleeping on the couch,
right?

689
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,040
I mean, we have we have nothing
better to talk about.

690
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,360
So this is this is going to be
the the second-half of this

691
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,400
episode is going to suck just
for anybody listening.

692
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,240
But anyways, so I was on the
couch, right?

693
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:13,840
And I, when I have a fever, man,
I am wrapped up in every blanket

694
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,360
that I could possibly find.
And that's.

695
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:20,840
Why I try to sweat it out too.
But like for me, man, like I

696
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,600
already deal with cold feet.
I have cold feet.

697
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,880
No matter how many layers of
socks I have on, my feet are

698
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:33,680
always cold and add a fever to
it and like my whole body just

699
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,440
gets cold.
My fingertips get cold.

700
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,960
I just I can't get warm.
So I'm on the couch and.

701
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,160
Which is funny too, because
you're actually warmer than

702
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:47,000
usual.
Yeah, so, so I I fall asleep on

703
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,560
the couch and I'm just bundled
up in every blanket.

704
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,160
That's that, you know,
somebody's not using in the

705
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,120
house.
And like, I literally sent Jace

706
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,640
to go around the house and grab
every blanket that's that

707
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,320
somebody's not using.
I am, I'm literally, I'm

708
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:06,120
literally like under like a foot
and a half of blanket and I wake

709
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,360
up and I'm just drenched in
sweat and hotter than hell.

710
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:19,320
And I, I stand up and I'm like,
I can't stand still.

711
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,560
But like, I'm, I'm woozy room
spinning.

712
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,160
I'm like, oh, man, this isn't
good.

713
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:34,000
And I'm like, I'm hungry.
So I walk from the living room

714
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,600
like, man, this is really weird.
It's kind of kind of like you're

715
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,080
drunk.
Yeah, but not quite like that.

716
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,560
Like almost like you're it it,
it was really weird, dude.

717
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,120
It was like my perception was
kind of like shifting in and

718
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:52,000
like to the sides of my my face.
It was.

719
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,040
Well, your brain was cooking.
Yeah, it was really weird, man.

720
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,760
And I went and I went to my
refrigerator because we had

721
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,160
ordered pizza that night because
we were all sick, man.

722
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,120
We were just like, we'll just
order pizza.

723
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:10,680
I went to the refrigerator, I
got a slice of pizza.

724
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:18,240
And then I woke up in my bed
with my shirt up over my head

725
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:24,160
and, and Katie's shaking me just
like, wake up, wake up, wake up.

726
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:29,800
And I'm like, what?
And like, she's like on me and

727
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,920
her, her eyes are like watering
and I'm like, what?

728
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,160
Because you scared the shit out
of me.

729
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,800
And I'm like, what happened?
She's like, she's like you.

730
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,560
I thought you were dot like
dying in bed.

731
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,920
And I was like, what happened?
She's like, she's like, you came

732
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,680
into the bedroom and you were
like, I don't feel good.

733
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:58,320
And you collapsed onto the bed
and I'm like, I'm like, really?

734
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,040
She's like, and you just fell
asleep.

735
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:06,600
And then and I'm like, oh, and
she's like, yeah.

736
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:12,400
And then I, I just, I just at
one point, like looked at you

737
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:13,800
and you didn't look like you
were breathing.

738
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,920
And I was like, oh, and then she
goes, then I tried to wake you

739
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,320
up and then you wouldn't wake
up.

740
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,800
I've been shaking you for like 2
or 3 minutes and you weren't

741
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,520
moving.
Oh my God.

742
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:26,320
And.
Crap.

743
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,800
She's like and your your skin
like your like your body is

744
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:36,320
super hot, Jeremy and and we
took we took my temperature and

745
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:41,840
it was at one O 4.6 and I was
like, whoa, I was like, damn,

746
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:43,640
like my shirt was up over my
head.

747
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,880
I was like, I wonder how hot I
got underneath like a foot and a

748
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:52,320
half of blankets, like if I was
at one O 4.6, how hot was it?

749
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:57,840
Like however long ago, dude.
So when we finally like went out

750
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:03,920
in the morning to like out to
the kitchen, that pizza that I

751
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,160
remembered eating was on the
floor.

752
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,320
A big old bite of like just a
big bite taken out of it with

753
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,840
the pizza on the floor, and then
the bite I took was just spit

754
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:21,440
out on the floor.
Geez, man, if it ever gets that

755
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,800
bad, tell Katie that she can
just call us and we'll rush you

756
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,480
guys to the hospital.
I don't care.

757
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,160
Throw you in the back of the
truck and just let that cold air

758
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,680
wash over you.
Drive to the hospital.

759
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,800
My my youngest daughter got up
there too.

760
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,080
She got up almost to 105, too.
No.

761
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:42,600
Yeah, it was, it was bad in
here, man.

762
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:50,720
And I mean it, it, it was, you
know, out of all my kids right

763
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:54,600
there, I have a lot of them.
I have four.

764
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,840
Yeah, that's a lot.
It's more than two.

765
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:02,280
It's more than two.
Three of them took the flu shot

766
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:03,920
this year.
One of them did not.

767
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,360
And that would be my oldest son,
who freaked out because of the

768
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:12,200
needle, and one of one of his
parents.

769
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,560
I'm not going to say who, not
going to throw them under the

770
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,640
bus, whether it's me or the
other one.

771
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,560
One of us was like, OK, I guess
we're just not going to do it.

772
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:29,360
Only had the flu for like 12 or
15 hours.

773
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:33,480
Took one long nap and was
perfectly fine the other.

774
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,680
Everybody else had it for like 2
days.

775
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:41,800
I had it for like almost three
whole days but got walking

776
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:46,880
pneumonia from it and I am still
feeling it man.

777
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,600
Like still mid, like I, I wake
up, I wake up man, and for the

778
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,560
first hour, hour and a half, two
hours, perfectly fine.

779
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,720
Got all the energy in the world.
And then as the day goes on, I

780
00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:03,920
just lose it all, lose it all.
I like it's super bad.

781
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:08,880
I get, I get I've, I've had a
like a migraine headache every

782
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:14,960
day for like 3 weeks now.
I the days that I'm off work, I

783
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,880
take a nap in the middle of the
day and it kind of helps reset

784
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:23,240
me a little bit.
But yeah, like what the doc was

785
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:26,040
saying at urgent care, he was
like, yeah, so what's happening

786
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,480
is like your, your body's not
getting oxygen, you know, it's

787
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,680
not getting the oxygen that
you're used to getting.

788
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,040
So, you know, since you're
already prone to migraines, you

789
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,160
know, so the migraine, the
migraines kicking up, you know,

790
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,800
as your body's losing energy
because your body, your body's

791
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:47,040
not, you know, replenishing the,
your oxygen.

792
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:54,600
And he goes, so you're, he goes,
all your symptoms, he goes, he

793
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:57,240
goes, I bet you anything, if we
go look at your lungs right now,

794
00:55:57,240 --> 00:56:00,720
you got fluid in your lungs.
And I'm like, that sucks.

795
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,880
Like I, I, I get winded just
talking now.

796
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,800
It's stupid.
Dude I thought that I was having

797
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,440
a hard time.
I got switched up on my meds for

798
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:16,480
my nightmares and stuff and it's
been giving me crazy insomnia.

799
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:21,400
Like I'm up at 2:30 in the
morning, wide awake, unable to

800
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,920
go back to sleep.
Like I just called in on Friday

801
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,240
and I was just like, I can't do
this.

802
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:26,680
I'm not going to drive like
this.

803
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:30,160
I will kill myself on the road.
I'm not going to drive an hour

804
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,880
having been awake since, you
know, 1:00 in the morning or

805
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,760
whatever it was.
I'm like, I'm just calling in

806
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,760
and Whitney ran out and got me
some melatonin and came back and

807
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,920
knocked me out.
But yeah, so I was like, well,

808
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,280
the heck with that.
I'm going to have to call him

809
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,120
tomorrow and be like, I can't
take this anymore.

810
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,000
Like, I don't know why I'm
reacting this way to something

811
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,080
that's supposed to make me
sleep, but I'm yeah, I can't do

812
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:54,840
it.
So I thought that was bad.

813
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,640
I, I saw that picture of you you
sent in and I was just like,

814
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:02,640
gosh, you look like crap.
You look like, you look like one

815
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,440
of those zombies off of The
Walking Dead.

816
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,960
Like that was crazy.
All right.

817
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,600
And so, yeah, I was like, yeah,
me and Jeff will run the thing

818
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,160
for a couple weeks.
No big deal, you know, had some

819
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:17,400
good conversations and it was
cool doing a swap cast with with

820
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,160
shadow band Creamer got on and
everything.

821
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:24,200
But yeah, I know Jude, you look
like crap.

822
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,560
But I was like, I was like,
yeah, it can't be that bad.

823
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,680
He's always sick anyway, you
know, you got kids to come over

824
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,640
and put their fingers in the
dirt, stick them in their mouth

825
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,320
and cough into your face, you
know, and then you're sick.

826
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,880
So I mean, it's just the life of
a parent.

827
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:42,320
I I hear so everyone always
being sick, but yeah, that's,

828
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,360
that's rough.
That would have sucked.

829
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,320
And it's like, get a call from
Katie, say, hey, by the way,

830
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:51,240
Jeremy died last night.
And like, well, now he's going

831
00:57:51,240 --> 00:58:00,760
to do the podcast.
Dude, I was for a solid like 72

832
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,760
hours.
I couldn't move, man.

833
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,280
I couldn't move.
I mean like I was in like a

834
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:12,880
conscious coma where the only
thing I could do was put my face

835
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:18,080
into my pillow and just lay
there like this underneath

836
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:22,240
blankets with my face face down
into into a pillow.

837
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,600
Just hoping for the sweet
release of death.

838
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,880
All all I did was think that's
all I did.

839
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:33,720
I couldn't read a book, I
couldn't watch TVI couldn't do

840
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:38,360
nothing.
I planned my whole new podcast

841
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:46,480
concept, like for the whole new
project that I'm working on the

842
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,640
whole, the whole 3 days that I
was sick, that's all I did was

843
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:54,120
just I was like, I need
something to do and I just

844
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,920
thought about what I wanted to
do for a new podcast that's like

845
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:59,680
the.
Best part of being sick is when

846
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,840
you're too sick to go to work so
you just play video games for,

847
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,880
you know, 2-3 days.
There was no way I was

848
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,320
concentrating on video games,
man.

849
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:11,360
There was no way.
I spent most of my time most of

850
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,920
my time hovering between 1O25
and like one O 3.

851
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:22,640
I was like, hate being sick.
Most of my time was, was, you

852
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,920
know, pretty high, man, It
sucked.

853
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,160
Going to run up the podcast for
the first time and I was trying

854
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,560
to figure out the whole
Riverside thing and, and you're

855
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:35,000
like, if I can get up to my
computer, you know, I'll, I'll

856
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,080
run you through it and I'll just
like, that's kind of weird.

857
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,320
He's always at his computer.
Yeah, it was that bad.

858
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,400
That's right.
Yeah, usually like I'll and you

859
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,800
know what you want.
To know what's even crazier is

860
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,080
when I sent that to you, it was
plugged in right next to me.

861
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,880
Yeah, you're like I was.
I was.

862
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,000
I was reaching your fingers out
of your out.

863
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:01,000
Of your little out of your
blanket mess little burrito and

864
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,880
going like this on your phone
and setting it it was it was

865
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,520
plugged in on the little.
End table next to the couch and

866
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,960
I was laying on the couch and I
just couldn't I couldn't sit up,

867
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,440
man.
I couldn't sit up couldn't even

868
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,040
sit up.
Yeah, it was, it was bad.

869
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,120
And like the, the worst part
about it was like Katie was sick

870
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,960
too.
And you know, I, I felt bad.

871
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:26,200
I mean, she, you know, she was a
chant, man.

872
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,600
I mean, I, I totally did the
dude thing and I was like, I'm,

873
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,240
I'm a big baby when I'm sick,
man.

874
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,320
Oh yeah.
I make you take care of me.

875
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,520
Huge baby and she's just like
super.

876
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:40,960
Super mom and super wife and
doing all like, you know, but

877
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:42,800
like, you know, baby was sick
too.

878
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,920
So, you know, he just wanted to
sleep on mom all day long, but,

879
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:50,880
you know, she just wanted to be,
you know, not slept on, you

880
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,680
know, and I I felt bad, you
know, baby didn't want anything

881
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:54,800
to do with me.
He was sick.

882
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:56,640
He was like, no, I want mom.
Yeah.

883
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,360
So yeah, your dad, you're.
Worthless to me.

884
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,720
Yeah, get out of.
Your dad, Dick, get out of here.

885
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,240
As if you would have been able
to do anything anyway, just.

886
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,720
Like just absorb him into the
blanket for it.

887
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,040
Come on buddy, let's get warm
together.

888
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,120
Let's see.
Well, I don't think he's coming

889
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,280
back, man.
Yeah, I.

890
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,120
Think he's gone?
I'll have to send him an e-mail

891
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,960
and, and, you know, just say
thank you for for coming on.

892
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,080
It's unfortunate, but, you know,
shit happens.

893
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,760
We we tried.
Yeah.

894
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,120
Looks like we're at 45 followers
now.

895
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,040
We only need 5 followers though.
That's cool.

896
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:43,760
Oh, wow.
Yeah.

897
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:45,240
Well.
If you're not.

898
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,440
Following us on Twitch.
Check us out.

899
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:53,320
And then you can, yeah, watch us
talk.

900
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,120
You can watch us talk.
I have to tell you.

901
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,760
I have to tell you something.
But it definitely has to be off

902
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:03,840
the chat.
Well, I guarantee you that once

903
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:04,160
you.
Hear.

904
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,680
This experience, you're going to
say, you know what?

905
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,800
Being that close to death wasn't
that big of a deal.

906
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:11,960
OK.
All right.

907
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:16,720
Well, all right.
Well, that's it.

908
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,280
I don't know what we're going to
do next week.

909
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:25,120
I have a few guests that I'm
debating on reaching out to.

910
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:26,680
I think we're going to.
I think I'm going to start

911
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:31,440
swinging for some bigger names.
Annie Jacobson.

912
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,720
Let's get her.
I I I mean.

913
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,760
I I would like to read some
Annie Jacobson before I reach

914
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:42,760
out to Annie Jacobson.
I got a you know I've got.

915
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,920
Don't you have Audible?
I can't dude.

916
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:48,520
I don't want.
To read.

917
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:49,760
I don't want to listen to books,
man.

918
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,560
I I I like reading, yeah, but
it's so much easier if you're

919
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:55,120
already.
Engaged in work, you just have

920
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:56,920
an earbud in and you're just
listening.

921
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:01,680
Yeah, I don't.
Nah, man, I I'll listen to

922
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,440
podcasts.
I, I don't want to listen.

923
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,880
I, I, I like reading it.
It's a it's.

924
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:08,640
I know you like reading.
It's.

925
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,320
It's relaxing to me.
If I if I listen to her books

926
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,640
then I don't get to read it.
So if I read books, I fall

927
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,920
asleep.
That's what my main problem is.

928
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,040
Well, that's it.
Like is like.

929
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:22,760
The.
Reason why I don't like reading

930
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,920
is because I fall asleep while
I'm reading constantly.

931
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,960
Yeah, I mean, that's what.
You know, I like, I have a

932
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,040
fiction book next to my bed
every night, you know, I'll read

933
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,400
a chapter or two and I end up
falling asleep to that.

934
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,680
But when I'm reading one of
these things over here, I don't

935
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:42,320
fall asleep to these.
Yeah, except for.

936
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:47,400
Except for Where is it?
Where is it?

937
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:50,360
Where is it?
Where's that stupid fucking

938
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:51,440
book?
Where is it?

939
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:54,320
Where is it?
Where is Jake?

940
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,840
Somewhere over there.
Where's Mel's hole?

941
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,280
Oh gosh.
Not.

942
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:04,680
That where is anything but that
where is it you're.

943
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,560
Probably in the trash.
Where it belongs.

944
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:14,440
It's some freaking Mel's hole.
I think I fell asleep reading

945
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:21,360
that book.
Yeah, Oh my.

946
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,760
Gosh, I should have known.
All right, ma'am.

947
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,440
All right, everybody.
Well, that has been another

948
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,440
episode of the Infinite Rabbit
Hole podcast.

949
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,080
Until next time, travelers,
we'll see you right here in the

950
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,040
next fork of the path of the
Infinite Rabbit Hole.

951
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,560
Bye, everybody.
Bye now.

952
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:46,520
Don't tell.
Hey everybody.

953
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:47,680
Thanks for.
Checking out the.

954
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,480
Infinite Rabbit Hole Podcast.
If you're looking for more of

955
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,640
our stuff, head on over to
infiniterabbithole.com where you

956
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,360
can find links to all the
podcast players that we are

957
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,880
available on and even our video
platforms such as TikTok and

958
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:01,760
YouTube.
While you're there, make sure to

959
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,760
check out all the links for our
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960
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,840
you know when all the new stuff
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961
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,760
And until next time, travelers,
we'll see you right here in the

962
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,240
next fork in the path of the
infinite rabbit hole.