210. Chatting w/ Raven Knight of Darkwoods Paranormal

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Welcome back to the Infinite
Rabbit Hole.

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I'm your host, Jeremy.
Today we have a guest for the

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third week in a row.
This is like some kind of

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record.
Wow.

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Nice.
Yeah, fancy.

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It's like it's like the third
time in a row where you don't

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have to listen to us talk to
ourselves so we can hear our own

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voices.
Yeah, you get something fresh,

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something different.
But before that, before we

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introduce you to the fresh, new
different voice, let's introduce

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you to do some old, boring,
stale voices.

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First, we'll go to the oldest
stylist voice there is.

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Me.
How?

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How are you doing, Jeremy?
Doing all right, You know, went

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to work today, worked 14 hours
of great.

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And I'm going to go over here
and listen to two stale.

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Is this old age or oldest by
podcast appearance because Jeff

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has Gray in his beard.
Listen.

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He's older.
He's older than.

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Jeff.
Jeff, am I older than you?

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I'm older than you.
Jeff's like. 40.

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Eight, you guys are both older
than me.

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No, Jake is not older.
Than me, I'm just Gray because

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I'm tired from holding the team
up all the fucking time.

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Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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All right.
Let's let's stop fooling around

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everybody, OK?
All right.

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How you doing, Jeff?
You're muted again.

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What an.
I'm muted.

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I just played video games all
weekend because I'm a lazy piece

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of shit and that's what I did,
so I'm great.

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Well, that a lot of people don't
know this, but Jeff actually

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didn't meet himself.
That was NASA, because last week

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he broke into NASA and they've
been randomly muting his mic.

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Yeah, we broke into NASA and
paid them $80.00 to get in there

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because.
It's always an elaborate ruse.

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Well, Jake, we've already heard
how your day went, but now that

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we're actually recording the
episode, what's going on, man?

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How you been?
Is good.

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I me and Whitney got into ice
fishing the ice on Lake Menomon

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and Tanner Lake is about two 2
1/2 feet thick so enough to

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drive a truck on and we I got my
deer back for the butcher shop

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and so we were grilling up
little Weber grill.

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We were grilling up some deer
brats ice fishing today.

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It's fine.
We didn't get anything and the

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only bite that happened was my
buddy's 6 year old son.

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The second he put his lure into
the water, it just nabbed it

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and, and he tried and then it
snapped off and, and that was

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it.
So we're out there for like 4

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1/2 hours.
But it was nice.

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I mean, the weather today, we
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take our big jackets off, we're
just in hoodies and it was nice

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and warm.
It's probably high 40s and just

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a great way to be out in the
sun, get some vitamin D, you

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know, Whitney's like this is
really helping with the whole

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seasonal depression thing of
just being inside for every

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single weekend, you know?
Man, isn't, isn't it weird?

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You get these 40° days that you
that you see in the fall and

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you're like, fuck, it's coming,
right?

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Yeah, shit.
And then you get it in the

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springtime after you just had
like two weeks of negative

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temperatures.
Just gosh, it was -20 on our

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flight line at work last week
and I was like, you got to be

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freaking kidding me.
Like it's so freaking cold.

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Yeah, it's ridiculous.
It makes that sea waltz just

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sound so much better back in
North. 10°.

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Like.
Beach weather.

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That's nothing, let's go
swimming.

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Not the I guess the only real
update that I have is that I

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finally got steroids in from the
doctor to help me out with this

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walking pneumonia.
I've been fighting for almost a

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month now so hopefully I I won't
have to keep coughing into the

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microphone and making a fool on
myself.

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And almost dying in front of
your wife and.

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Almost and almost dying.
So that's that's that's all

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good, right?
But now, now that we're

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completely done with all the
updates from the cast of the

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infinite Rabbit hole podcast,
let's move on to why you're all

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here today.
And that is because we have a

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guest here way, way, way far
away.

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We had to reach very, very far
for this one.

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Actually.
We'll we'll go to the origin

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story here.
As you all know, as listeners of

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the Infinite Rabbit Hole, we did
our first public appearance over

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the summer in Elmwood, WI for
UFO Days 2024.

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And the person you are about to
meet was one of the people who

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actually showed up to our
presentation and she had to sit

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through it.
I apologize for that.

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And when we were done, she told
us how terrible it was.

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She said, you know, I was going
to do a podcast, but now that

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I've seen you guys do it, kind
of don't want to go through

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that.
And I said I don't blame you any

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who she did start that podcast.
And that podcast is what we're

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going to talk about tonight.
So without further ado, I'd like

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to introduce you all to Raven.
Hello, hello.

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And thank you.
Thank you for having me.

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I am, I'm good.
It's been it's been a very busy

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day in the way of like podcast
stuff.

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I actually just I did an
interview earlier this afternoon

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with someone about a haunted bar
that we're going to go

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investigate soon.
But we'll we'll talk about that

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a little bit later.
But I just did that today and my

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my Co host is actually
podcasting right now.

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I'm working on a really big
episode.

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So it's been a very busy day in
the world of podcasting, but

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really good.
And all of the things you said

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about Elmwood were true.
I did say that to you and I'm

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sorry.
I take it back.

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Just take it all back right now
anyway, just for the sake of

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today and the show.
Yeah, I, I, I come with nothing

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but truth.
That's that's my, that's been my

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slogan since before I came.
Out of the womb.

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So I'm a birth certificate.
The Truth, Jeremy.

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The Truth Social.
So let's let's talk about your

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your show.
Dark Woods Paranormal is the

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name of the show and you started
it when, when we had talked in

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July, the end of July, you guys
were still planning it, correct?

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You hadn't actually started it
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So we we were in the works
trying to figure out what kind

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of vibe or what what we were
really looking for when it came

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to the show itself.
And then in October of last

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year, we actually released our
first couple of episodes and

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that we, we did it in a very
interesting way.

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Actually, we went to Eureka
Springs, AR for their, they have

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an annual zombie zombie crawl.
So not like your zombie pub

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crawl.
It's, it is amazing.

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It is such an amazing town.
This town is full of haunted

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history.
The Crescent Hotel is there,

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which is one of the most haunted
hotels in the US, just an

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amazing location itself.
And then yes, every, every

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Halloween season they do this.
Everybody, I don't know if

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everybody in the town, but a lot
of people in the town dress up

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like zombies.
People come like it brings in a

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lot of visitors and they just do
this massive parade.

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It's like 2000 people down in
this little town.

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It's incredible.
But we we showed up, we were

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vendors there and we decided
that was where we were going to

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launch our first few episodes.
And that's what we did.

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So it's really, it was really
fun.

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It was great.
That's awesome.

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The there's a man very, very
early on in the podcast, you

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know, during the build of the
infinite rabbit hole, I was

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teasing around with doing this.
I don't know it it was sort of

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like AI don't know, kind of got
a mock episode, but at the same

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time it was going to cover a a
serious topic on the month of

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October in Kansas.
There's a whole county in Kansas

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that celebrates October as
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Preparedness.
Month and I I just tried looking

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it up real quick, and it's
during October.

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The Kansas Division of Emergency
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emphasis on reminding the
public, with tongue firmly in

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cheek, to be prepared for
zombies.

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This is This has been posted by
the Plains Guardian, which is

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actually Jake DoD Live dot mill
by the way.

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Oh wow.
So yeah, that's that's something

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that we were going to to, to do.
We never did do it.

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We didn't but but we we could
definitely revisit that at some

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point.
But it's it's kind of funny.

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I had to, I had to look that up
and and just see if that was

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something if if it was Arkansas,
I was like, was it Arkansas or

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was it Kansas?
I couldn't remember and it

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wasn't it I.
Was like, well we should all do

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it, I would be down.
We should.

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We should.
I remember doing the initial

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research for it and it was man,
there was there was some really

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cool things like you get all
those people who do like the the

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zombie hunter trucks, you know,
they have all those, the, the

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preppers that prep for the
zombie apocalypse and

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everything.
And they have all these like

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really cool trucks with like
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Plows in the front.
It's just just just painted up

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with zombie guts and everything
looks like, looks like something

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out of Mad Max.
It's, it's it's hilarious.

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It's great.
So yeah, a little.

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Bit of that.
So they do the whole like

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everybody dresses up and then
they do have all of the cars.

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You do have some of the I, I
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trucks that go through town as
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So it's all people and then it's
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parade through to.
But yeah, just an incredible,

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incredible experience.
We we talked about doing it

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again.
I'm not quite sure if we're

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going to do the same thing this
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something else yet, but we
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I would love to do what you were
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That is definitely up my alley
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So.
Did are you guys going back to

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your footage?
We're definitely going back to

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UFO days.
We have a lot of things actually

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coming up for Dark Woods
paranormal within the next few

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months.
So I'm super excited about that.

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But this week I, I love that you
reached out, you know, you

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actually reached out just the
other day yesterday it was

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yesterday, but I, I loved that
because on Thursday we leave for

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Missouri.
We're going to Missouri Paracon,

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which is one of the Kansas City.
So we will be there starting

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Thursday and then leaving on
Sunday.

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But it's, it's got like a bunch
of well known paranormal,

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paranormal people, of course,
but like think like ghost

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hunters and psychics and all of
those, but a lot of really

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interesting speakers.
And yeah, so we're, we're going

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to be there on Thursday and then
after that we'll, we'll head to

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Milwaukee for Horicon as well.
We're going to be there and

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we're going to be in Illinois to
interview the owners of the

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DeSoto Hotel, which is one of
the most haunted hotels in

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Galena, IL.
And then after that we have an

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event in Appleton at Capcom,
which is a Cryptid convention,

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so we'll be there.
And then UFO Days, of course.

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Gosh, so you're already getting.
Help.

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I'm jealous like we we've been
doing this for over 4 years and

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we don't go anywhere.
And I was supposed to ask you if

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you guys would ever be
interested be at Gabriel, my Co

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host, if you guys would ever be
interested in possibly coming to

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Eureka Springs or doing some
sort of event with us like that

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so.
Yeah, that'd be cool.

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Yeah, not if I have to fly.
Yeah, Jeff.

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Well, Jeff's in Jeff's in
Florida.

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And he, he's a he's if, if you
remember, he's the, he's the

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conspiracy.
Falling out the fucking window

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bro.
You see all these plane crashes

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in that?
Yeah, that isn't it.

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I'm not doing.
It is pretty I'm about to so at

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the end of the March, taking the
whole family down to the

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Dominican Republic and wow.
Don't fly.

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Yeah, that's.
Drive.

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Just go ahead and drive your
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Vehicle.
You don't have one of those, the

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ocean.
Oh, weird.

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Yeah.
You don't have one of those?

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You don't have an airboat bro,
What's wrong with you?

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Right.
What a nerd.

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Poor.
I will be driving up there for

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UFO days though.
I don't.

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I'm not flying bro.
I'm going to take the whole week

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off and just make a road trip of
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We got a whole crew coming this
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Yeah.
Yeah.

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Crystal's coming.
Crystal's coming kid.

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Our our old our old Co host
Kenzar from from our she's from

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Canada.
She'll be bringing her

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boyfriend.
We got our tech guy, Skeeter.

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He was there last year.
He was the one that saved the

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entire day for us.
And I'm I'm sure.

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Oh, Danny.
Is Danny coming?

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Has said he said multiple times
that he was we got to hold him

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to it.
I don't know if he's going to or

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not, but he has said multiple
times that he he was going to

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try.
So if if he doesn't, then we'll

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just have to say every single
episode of.

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Danny lied to us that day.
He lied to us and he's everyone

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our top fan.
Wow.

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That's cool.
I yeah, I'm super impressed that

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you, your podcast is so young
and you guys are really just

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getting out there and exploring.
Like that's when I was stationed

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in California.
We had talked about doing going

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to the original site of like the
Patterson Gimlin Bigfoot film,

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but it would everything has just
been taught right.

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It's it's never nothing's ever
really come to fruition.

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So it's really cool that, you
know, y'all are getting out

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there and exploring and actually
sitting down and interviewing

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people and stuff like that's
that's pretty cool.

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No, it's super, super fun.
It is.

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We, we did the one in the Eureka
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I don't want to say it was on a
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Gabriel's idea.
And so we, we ended up, we did

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it.
It was so much fun that we came

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back and went, OK, let's do,
let's do more, let's do more.

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Let's do as many as we can in
this, you know, as many as we

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can to go to conventions.
And, and now we're even adding,

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we're starting to add
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Like I said, I was interviewing
somebody today about a haunted

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bar that we're going to go
investigate the week after the

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weekend after we get back.
So we get back the 1st or no,

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the 2nd of March.
And then that following weekend

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we'll be at a bar in Barron and
doing a overnight investigation

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of their bar, which is a bar
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We're doing a, we're actually
doing a raffle where somebody

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could win a chance to
investigate with us 'cause this

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is not something they ever do
there, but they will win the

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chance.
And the proceeds from the raffle

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tickets are actually going to go
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So we're trying to do something
good with that too.

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But yeah, we're, we're, we're
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and get our name out there and
doing the work, doing the work,

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which is a lot, a lot of work,
especially since both of us, we

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both work full time jobs and
both work two jobs and what

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we're so.
We need to get them hooked up

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with what's his name from Tales
from the Animal Kingdom so they

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can go explore the Shrieking
Woods.

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Oh yeah.
Adam.

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Adam.
Adam.

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Jeremy, pull up the website not
to Spotify because on the home

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page or her website you can see
there's a YouTube video.

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I like the the setup that you.
Have.

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Like with the guest on the
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Situation I'll I'll pull it up
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I just want to talk about some
of the topics that they cover

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here.
I also wanted to point out that

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we need to get this up right
here.

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I got to oh, I got to listen to
their show first.

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I'm not logged into into my my
normal one on my phone because

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one of these five stars is for
me.

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By the way, just so you know.
Yeah, you're welcome.

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Don't worry, I'll listen to that
with A1. *.

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We'll get Digital Assassin in
here.

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He'll he'll.
Yeah, he'll, he'll fuck that all

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up for you.
I'm I'm pretty sure you like,

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have you heard you've heard of
the, the dead Internet?

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Theory right, but I have but you
might need to refresh it.

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I'm pretty I'm pretty sure that
this this dipshit, what is his

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name again?
Digital Assassin.

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Digital Assassin.
Yes, this is the last hat.

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Thank you.
That's his, that's his, his, his

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government name.
I'm pretty sure he's the perfect

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example of the dead Internet
theory, basically that the

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Internet is nothing but bots or
it's 95% bots.

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And and you know, there's
there's not a ton of real people

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out there.
There's just just a bunch of

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bots interrupting with each
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Is that right, Jeff?
That's part of the theory, yes.

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Well, fill us in with the rest
of it.

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Skeeter says on the chat.
I know that bar.

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It's not far from me.
When's that happening?

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What bar?
Oh, when is it happening?

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Is that what?
Sorry I didn't see the OK, it's

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actually the 7th.
Yeah, when and when it would.

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Be the 7th I want to say it's
that Friday the 1st Friday in

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March.
Let's get.

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You.
Yeah.

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And.
So they they will if they buy a

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Ravel ticket, they can enter to
win possibly, right, a chance to

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investigate.
But we do, of course have some

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rules on that.
They can't be drunk and they

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can't be crazy.
Oh.

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That's sorry, Skeeter, you
can't.

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It can't be a drunk or they
can't be drunk.

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What was?
What did you say?

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They can't be drunk or they
can't be a drunk.

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They can be a drunk, but just
not a drunk that night.

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I got you OK.
Oh.

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Yeah, check.
That out you're in Yeah, see, I

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like that.
I like AI, like a personal

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podcast setup, right?
Like where you're obviously we

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can't do this because we're all
remote and shit, but.

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And actually.
I like these type of.

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Shows that was that was at
Shakers Cigar Bar in Milwaukee

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we.
Yeah, I.

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Shakers is.
Cool man, Shakers is I've been

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to Shakers.
Shakers is pretty sweet that

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they have a lot of.
Gear there.

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They have a lot of raffia.
Ties there don't they used to be

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owned by the Capones, so the
Capone brothers and it also was

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so it was a Speakeasy.
It was a brothel.

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The, and I can't remember the
exact name of the woman who was

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murdered up in actually the room
that we were sitting in right

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there.
She was murdered up in that

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room.
And so the story of course, is

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that she now haunts the building
along with another girl who was

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eight and fell out of a tree and
died on the property, as she

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also wants the bathroom
downstairs.

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The bar also has ties to Jeffrey
Dahmer, which pique piqued my

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curiosity because I have always
been a very big true crime

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person, so just.
Yeah, I.

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Thought you were going to say a
fan of Jeffrey.

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Dahmer.
However, I will share the story.

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While I was there, we were.
So the owner's name is Bob

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Weiss.
He's such a very, I mean, he's

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an interesting, interesting
person.

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Really, really liked meeting
him.

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But we were there and we were
done with our interview.

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We went back down into the bar
and he of course, knowing that I

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was interested in the Jeffrey
Dahmer stuff, he basically

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pulled me over and said this is
the detective that took the

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infamous mug shot and also
handed Jeffrey Dahmer the

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Bologna sandwich after he was
booked and I got to meet the

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detective.
And so for me, I was pretty

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excited that's.
Cool.

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That's freaking cool.
I thought so, but.

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That is.
Really cool.

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I really, I think we'll probably
go back there at one point too,

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because even Bob said something
the other day would would love

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to have us back.
So I would love to go back there

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and interview him again.
And I highly recommend just even

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visiting that place because it
was such a cool, just a cool

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establishment.
Yeah, I, I would totally go to

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Shakers and and talk to Bob that
that would be that would be a

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cool experience.
That's that's one thing that we

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don't do a ton of on the
infinite rabbit hole is we don't

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dive into the into the the the
paranormal spirit aspect of

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things a lot.
We used to have a Co host name

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of CJ who who was mostly
responsible to cover a lot of

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that and he was kind of like,
there are, you know, I, I don't

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know our, our fourth piece that
kind of filled in that, that gap

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that we never really refilled.
So we've kind of stayed away

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from that whole aspect of things
because none of us really can

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can speak on it.
So, so, but but it would be,

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that would be a cool place to go
because when I joined the Navy,

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I actually joined the Navy from
Kenosha, which is just South of

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Milwaukee, you know, not not
far.

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Like when I used to go pick up
my dad from the airport, he used

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to flying into the Milwaukee
airport.

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And you know, I used to go,
I've, I've been to Shakers a

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couple times.
I never went and actually got to

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talk to Bob or, you know,
probably got to see all the cool

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stuff you did.
But I at least I was there and I

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do the history of it and
everything, which was neat.

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I Jake, when I did Mets.
Mets is right next to to

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Shakers.
Yeah.

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So that's pretty cool.
MEPs is the military entry

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program back when I was getting
ready to when when they make you

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do the underwear Olympics, when
they they make you get down to

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your skivvies and do something
called a duck.

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It's to make sure that your
joints and your knees and hips

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and stuff aren't deformed or
you're not busted up, yeah.

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It's awful that's.
Not the worst, that's like basic

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frat house type stuff.
If you want to get into a

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fraternity, you'd have to do
that every day for.

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Oh, no, no, no, no, that that
act wasn't the worst thing in my

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life.
It was that day.

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It's what they it's what it's
all the the the searching that

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they have to do the.
Investigate things.

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When he when he takes a little
nitrite or latex gloves and he's

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like, all right, buddy, Pat,
time to go in.

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It's like, damn, yeah, I didn't
know this was going to happen.

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He's like surprise and like
shit.

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Hey man, that guy was a great
kisser, OK?

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He was, so whatever.
Listen, man, he asked me if I

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wanted cinnamon or mint and I
told him I hated Big Red.

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And he took a He took a big old
pack of Big Red and took the

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whole pack.
Put it in his mouth.

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He's like, you don't.
He's like, look at me, you don't

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get a choice.
And I was like.

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This is the military.
All right.

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Squeal like a pig.
Then that's that's what I did.

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All right, let's see.
So I, I see so, so you're not

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tied to just the, the, the
spiritual aspect of it by just

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by looking at the, the, the
titles of of your episodes,

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right.
You've covered things like the

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Mandela effect.
Those are how we're.

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Krampus.
I saw Krampus on there.

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These are all things that we
have also covered ourselves.

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Oh, look, it's it's Kenzar now
she wants to show up.

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Oh, look, it's, it's Kenzar.
Yay, Kenzar so late.

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Oh, yay.
We were talking about you, but

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you know, so late.
So that's so that's cool.

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Where?
How wide?

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Is your show, I think it's
pretty, pretty wide.

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I mean, we didn't we no, we
really didn't put we haven't

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really narrowed down that part
of it.

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00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,840
We and the way we pick it is
really like, you know, we, we

451
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,880
alternate usually between who's
doing what.

452
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,040
So like actually, I will say
Gabriel's done the last couple,

453
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,280
but he is picking what he wants
to do, right?

454
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,600
So he is like, this is what I'm
working on this week and I'll do

455
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,120
the same thing.
Like for me, I did the Beast of

456
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:43,120
Bray Rd. one just 'cause I mean,
I'm from from where I'm, well,

457
00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:46,240
from where I'm from, you know,
like I've always heard that

458
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,600
story about the Beast of Bray
Rd.

459
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,080
So for me, I was like, I really
want to cover stuff like, you

460
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,720
know, that I don't know.
Yeah, I don't.

461
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,760
For me, it's like I like the
Cryptid stuff.

462
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,400
I like the beast of Ray Rd.
I would love to cover Bigfoot,

463
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,360
of course, at some point that's
going to be a huge thing, of

464
00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:03,800
course.
But and it just, it just really

465
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,400
depends on what we're, what
we're feeling.

466
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:19,920
Man, I, Linda Godfrey, she was,
you know, she was probably the

467
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,640
the world's expert on the Beast
of Bray Rd.

468
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:29,400
And shortly after we did our
Beast of Bray Rd. special, we

469
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,640
did A2 parter on it.
Jeez.

470
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,280
I was still in the Navy at the
time.

471
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,720
I had reached out to her via
Facebook Messenger and I

472
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:43,200
actually got a reply from her
and she politely declined like

473
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,680
like the class, like the class
actually was.

474
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,640
And she said that she that her
health was, you know, not in the

475
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,680
best at the time.
And and unfortunately, like

476
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,280
literally a few weeks after I
got that message, I found out

477
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:59,480
she passed away.
And I was like, oh man, that's,

478
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,960
that sucks.
I think that was terrible, you

479
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,840
know, But yeah, so that's,
that's really cool.

480
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,360
You know, I'm, I'm, I'm
thoroughly impressed, Mark me

481
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:12,360
thoroughly impressed with with
what you've been able to do with

482
00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:14,120
your show in in such a short
time.

483
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:18,280
It's makes us.
Look lazy.

484
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,520
Well, we are like so you know.
Well, yeah.

485
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,120
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
I I've, I've been, you know,

486
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,960
dragging my feet for a long
time.

487
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,440
It's like what Doctor Phil says.
If you feel like a dirtbag, it's

488
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,600
probably.
Because you're a dirtbag.

489
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,800
Just knowing it say it with me.
I am a dirtbag.

490
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,640
I think it's just a, it's a
subject we're both really

491
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,200
passionate about.
I've, I've done podcasts

492
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,040
actually for years.
I was doing a true crime podcast

493
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,160
before this one and I did a true
crime podcast on my own before

494
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,600
that one.
The last one I did was, was with

495
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,520
a group of friends.
And then so I, I've always,

496
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,320
always loved podcasting.
I have a degree in broadcast

497
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,320
radio actually.
So always something I've known

498
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,080
to do.
So when this opportunity came up

499
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,400
again, I was like, yeah, all
right, let's do it.

500
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,400
So, yeah.
And just like Gabriel himself,

501
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,520
like we've both been into the
paranormal for a very long time.

502
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,280
He's had a lot of experiences
himself.

503
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,280
I I think probably his whole
life.

504
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,600
And so like for him, it's just
been something that he's always

505
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:35,960
been like just not just
interested in, but experienced,

506
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,600
you know what I mean?
So like he's had so many

507
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,160
experiences.
And I also do think though, and

508
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,920
I have a theory.
I, I don't know what you guys

509
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,720
think about it or what you, what
your thoughts are on like

510
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,000
spirits and ghosts.
And, but my theory, I think is

511
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,520
that some people are just more
open to it and that's why they

512
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,880
have more experiences.
And some people are, you know,

513
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,680
might be skeptics and closed off
and they just, but they don't

514
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,960
have the experiences.
But there are people out there

515
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,560
that are just really, really
open and, and they can sense

516
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,800
things a lot better.
And so that's definitely how he

517
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,360
is.
And he can go into a place.

518
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,560
We actually just had an
experience the other night, but

519
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,560
I'll get there in a second.
But, you know, it's he, he can

520
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,640
go into places and just feel,
you know, shifts and, and, and

521
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,440
those kinds of things.
But yeah, the other night we

522
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,800
were, we were at a location and
I noticed him.

523
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,880
He, he, he stopped and he looked
and he was looking and I just

524
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,720
know, like I know him so well at
this point that like, I know he

525
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,600
sees something, but, you know, I
did not quite ask him.

526
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,640
I'm like, see something and he's
like, yeah, but we're quiet

527
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,280
about it, you know.
And then he left and was doing

528
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,640
something else and I was looking
and I, I didn't even know what

529
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,600
he saw or what, where he saw it.
I just knew it was the general

530
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,440
location.
So I, I also was looking and,

531
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,400
and yeah, sure enough, like I
saw something too.

532
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,760
So as soon as we left the
building, I said, So what did

533
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,480
you see?
And he said, I saw a shadow, I

534
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,400
said by the door.
And he said Yep.

535
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,000
And I Yep, I saw it too.
So, and it was our separate

536
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:20,120
experiences, but.
Does he ever walk into a

537
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,680
location?
He's like, Nah, there's nothing

538
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,480
here.
I'm sure he does that like, or

539
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,520
he'll say, well, things aren't
really active, whatever, but

540
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,040
like certain things like if it's
raining or a certain time of the

541
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,760
day, like, you know, it's, it's
definitely amped up so.

542
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,640
Yeah, I've heard, I've heard a
lot of theories on that.

543
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,480
And you know, it's, you know,
when you, when you come across

544
00:31:47,480 --> 00:32:00,040
someone who's susceptible to, to
being attractive to spirits,

545
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:05,560
they often are attractive to, to
other aspects of, of the

546
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,160
supernatural as well.
You know, things, you know, a

547
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,440
lot of people will throw
cryptids into, into the category

548
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,560
of, of the supernatural.
Same thing with aliens and UFOs

549
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:20,320
and, and portals and, and, and
all kinds of anomalous

550
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,160
activities and events, right?
They, they'll, they'll group

551
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,120
them up into the supernatural
category.

552
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:33,080
And, you know, I've heard all
kinds of different theories as

553
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:39,240
to why some people are more
susceptible to, to, to these

554
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:46,200
kind of things.
And the, the spectrum of answers

555
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,400
is wide.
And I don't know if there's

556
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:58,480
necessarily one answer to it.
You know, I, and it's, it's

557
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,680
tough to say because I'm, I'm
not right?

558
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,720
I'm, I'm not, I'm not one that
just can just open, walk into a

559
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,800
room and say, yeah, there's a
spirit in here.

560
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,240
I've never really had a run in
with a spirit except for once.

561
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,840
And that was one time when I was
in the military where I had this

562
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,920
weird thing happened to me in
the middle of the night where,

563
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,840
you know, something grabbed my
toe and I heard a little girl

564
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:28,160
running away, you know, laughing
in the middle of the ship full

565
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,320
of sailors.
In the middle of the ocean, it

566
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:36,400
was a sailor, and it probably.
Was probably was it very well

567
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:42,320
probably was, but you know, it's
that that was the only thing

568
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,720
that I've ever had happened to
me that was that was along those

569
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,320
lines.
But I've had aspects or things

570
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:55,560
happen to me, you know, that I
saw as physical, like when I was

571
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,400
nine years old, I saw something
that, you know, to this day,

572
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,720
I'll go to my grave claiming it
was a Bigfoot.

573
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,960
You know, I, I've seen weird
lights in the sky.

574
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:12,480
You know, I, I think that most
people on this planet can, can

575
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,080
raise their hand and say that,
that they've seen some sort of

576
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,600
something in the sky at some
point in their lives, you know,

577
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,239
that, that they couldn't
explain, that they knew wasn't a

578
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,239
plane or a helicopter, wasn't a
shooting star, wasn't the moon,

579
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,199
wasn't Mercury or Venus, Mars or
any other astral body.

580
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,840
Wasn't the satellite, wasn't an
asteroid that took out half of

581
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,120
the city, right?
It wasn't, you know, something

582
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,480
that caused the, the Tunguska
event.

583
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,360
You know, it was, you know,
something anomalous, something

584
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:52,040
unidentified.
So I other than that, other than

585
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,480
the, the, the two other things,
right, the, the Bigfoot and, you

586
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,880
know, the thing that grabbed my
toe while I was sleeping when I

587
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,560
was in the service.
I, I, you know, I, I don't

588
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,640
think, I don't think that I'm
necessarily a, a magnet for

589
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,040
anything.
You know, I've, I've read

590
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:16,080
somewhere multiple times in the,
the value changes depending on

591
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,120
what the source is.
But you know, you can go to any

592
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:25,480
group of people and grab a
random value, you know, random

593
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,320
sampling of people from anywhere
and ask them if they've had, you

594
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,480
know, some sort of run in with
some sort of supernatural,

595
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,640
paranormal, unexplained
anomalous phenomenon.

596
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:39,800
And most of that group of people
will come up with something in

597
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,800
their life that they can't
explain.

598
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,720
Missing time, you know, an out
of body experience, something

599
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:50,760
along those lines.
Sometimes it comes in the form

600
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,440
of a spirit, you know, that
looks like the grandmother.

601
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,600
Sometimes it comes in the form
of a dog that they watch run

602
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:01,640
through a wall, and sometimes it
just smells like a fart.

603
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,280
When they didn't fart.
Right, and and but.

604
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:07,840
You know, just being serious.
Right, right.

605
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,240
It's, it's, it's a real, it's a
real thing.

606
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:15,400
And, but the, the fact of the
matter is, is that, you know,

607
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:20,600
the, the two events that I had
is nothing special, right?

608
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,200
In fact, I'm average compared to
most people in this world.

609
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:32,520
So I, I am not by any means one
of these magnetized people.

610
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,280
So answering that from, from me
is, you know, I, I, I personally

611
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,440
can't do it, but I get curious,
right?

612
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,200
So I, I look for other people's
answers and, but the, the

613
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,200
problem when you do that is that
there is such, like I was saying

614
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,040
before, there's such a huge
spectrum of, of people's

615
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,600
answers.
And you know, you get the, you

616
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,120
get the, the, the skeptics that
are like, oh, it's just people

617
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,800
looking for attention.
And then you get the people

618
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,880
that, that, you know, drink,
drink all the kool-aid and

619
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,360
they're like, oh man, this,
this, you know, this person

620
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,720
literally wipes their ass with
crystals.

621
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:09,200
And and, you know, that's
because they, they use crystal

622
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,000
toilet paper and, you know, they
get the power transfer to them

623
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,360
from these special crystals.
And then there's the people

624
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,920
that, you know, then you get
people that are really

625
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,640
scientific and they're like,
well, it's because they have

626
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,080
this certain gene.
It's, it's a genetic thing.

627
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,360
And then there's people that are
like, yeah, well, it's because

628
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:28,960
their ancestors were, you know,
these shamanic practicers or, or

629
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:34,240
whatnot, you know, people who
have descendants from, you know,

630
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:37,120
just, for example, skinwalkers,
right?

631
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,000
You know, people who are
descendants of skinwalkers are

632
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,840
supposedly more susceptible to
these kind of experiences,

633
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,600
although they don't have any of
the the, the, the, you know,

634
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:58,920
the, the key to the abilities or
the the knowledge of medicine or

635
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,960
practices that the old
skinwalkers or the the.

636
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:07,160
Shamans.
The, the, the people who used to

637
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,160
practice this stuff, they don't
have any of that, but yet it's

638
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,920
imprinted in their, into their
genetics.

639
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,760
They're more susceptible to this
kind of stuff.

640
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:20,520
So it's a, and, and that's just
a very small sampling of some of

641
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:26,960
some of the, some of the, some
explanations as to what a lot of

642
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,760
this is.
And then, then there's, you

643
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,160
know, there's a, there's a
theory that once it happens to

644
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,960
you, then then you become a
magnet.

645
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:39,400
You know, that it, it, it's also
a compounded interest kind of

646
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,480
thing that, you know, once
you're found by 1, then another

647
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:43,920
one finds you.
And then the more that it

648
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,320
happens to you, the, the more
likely that's going to happen

649
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,200
again.
I don't know.

650
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,880
It's, it's a strange thing and
it's, it's that kind of stuff

651
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:57,520
that, that I love so much about
this, this world is because you,

652
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,960
you don't get a, a steady answer
from any of it.

653
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:07,280
And it's so difficult to put the
puzzles together, but it's the

654
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,880
search for that aha moment that
I'm, that I'm looking for.

655
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:16,760
And I that that's, that's what
this whole thing is about, is,

656
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,920
is looking for that aha moment
and hope hopefully one day we'll

657
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,600
get that for the, for that kind
of answer.

658
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,960
It'd be cool to see something
come out from the the scientific

659
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,320
community to answer that
question.

660
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,360
Yeah.
What do you think, Jeff?

661
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:31,720
Drugs.
Drugs.

662
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,000
You're.
Looking for that aha moment.

663
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,120
He's like damn, he will give it,
give you that aha moment.

664
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,880
Yeah man, hook yourself up to a
Montauk chair with some focus

665
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,560
tapes and a little bit of
psilocybin and you'll fucking.

666
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,600
You're good to go, brother.
There's a guy in downtown

667
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,880
Menominee that he saw the truck
the other day and he's like he's

668
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,360
like, Oh yeah.
Is that is that your podcast?

669
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:00,840
I was like, yeah, I'm one of the
Co hosts.

670
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,720
He's like, what type of rabbit
holes were you talking about?

671
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:06,600
And I was like.
You know, aliens, paranormal

672
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,160
stuff like that.
And he's like, he's like,

673
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,400
where's the aliens?
I was like, I mean, I don't

674
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,800
believe in aliens, but you know,
and he's like, he's like, I can

675
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,120
show you aliens.
You want to see some aliens Like

676
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,480
not wrong.
You got real intense real fast.

677
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:20,840
And I was like, Nah, dude, I'm
good.

678
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,320
Appreciate it.
You talked to the wrong Co host

679
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,360
for that stuff.
That guy's in Florida.

680
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,720
So we did.
We actually did an episode about

681
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,440
the theory and I don't know if
you guys have ever heard it, and

682
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,080
maybe you have.
Maybe this is nothing new to you

683
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,000
guys, but the theory that aliens
and ghosts could be the same

684
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:43,160
thing.
So.

685
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,560
I mean, we talk about like
interdimensional entities a lot

686
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,560
and like IA lot of the times
I'll kind of merge that into the

687
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,080
same thing.
You know, I don't see why

688
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:57,360
there's any reason that the
spirit world or this in between

689
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,680
world or whatever, wherever
these ghosts are residing can't

690
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,920
be in like some parallel
dimension, if you will, right.

691
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,760
So, you know, I have no problem
kind of like it's same thing

692
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,800
with what Jake always talks
about like demonic entities or

693
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:17,240
angelic entities, right?
Like to me all of that could be

694
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,720
just classified under like
interdimensional or like

695
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:24,280
multiverse of some kind.
So I'm there for it.

696
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,240
Aren't you you?
Have a conspiracy theorist right

697
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,680
there.
That's what they say.

698
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:31,280
Sure.
Yeah.

699
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,560
'Cause that that's the follow up
with the mental effect and the

700
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,960
time shifts and, and you know,
those kinds of things too.

701
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,560
Like it's could all just be
alternate universes existing at

702
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:47,880
the same time.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it could be

703
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,160
a lot of different things now,
but then I I do think there's

704
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,080
something to like Jake always
says this like, how come there's

705
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,600
never a ghost to like some
hipster that just got blown up

706
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,960
by his vape, right?
Like how come it's always ghost

707
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:03,440
from like, you know, back in the
day, it's always like, I don't

708
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,200
know, it just it does seem like
at least the stories that we get

709
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:12,120
are what's the word on like
cliche almost right.

710
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,600
And there's you, you never run
into that hipster ghost broke

711
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,840
his neck on his longboard, which
is weird.

712
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,640
But it that could just be like
that's, you know, that's not a

713
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,560
fun story, right?
Like you want to go to a spooky

714
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,120
place and like find these
entities, right?

715
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,960
Like if you just stumble across
these entities at the

716
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,080
intersection where Walmart is
because somebody got hit by a

717
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,240
car there, like there's also so
much shit going on there, like

718
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:38,640
you probably wouldn't even
notice it anyways, right?

719
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,200
Or if you're in these, like if
you're in these other places,

720
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:46,240
you know, the energy of the
places themselves probably

721
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,160
affect how you could, you know,
like when you guys were talking

722
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,840
earlier about like some people
are sensitive and like they can

723
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,440
tune into this.
Sure.

724
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,160
And also there's I, I also
believe that there's probably

725
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,040
energy attached to landmarks,
right?

726
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,840
So, you know, that's where you
get like Skinwalker and like

727
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,280
these portals and stuff like
that.

728
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,200
I think it's just energetic
space.

729
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,000
So when we were talking,
actually, it was kind of, it's

730
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,200
kind of interesting that you
brought that up.

731
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,680
When we were at Shakers, we had
talked about Bob was talking

732
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,080
about that too, like how he
would go to a place like, and

733
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,200
Bob is one of these people that
has had a lot of experiences and

734
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:27,080
now owns this haunted bar.
And, you know, but he was

735
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,960
talking about going to the Alamo
and you could just feel the

736
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,240
energy when you got there and
how different the energy was.

737
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:36,360
And no, I mean, I don't think
that everybody who goes to the

738
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,840
Alamo is going to feel that.
But if you're more susceptible

739
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,480
to it and more open to it, you
know, you're just going to feel

740
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,920
that different, different
locations, of course locations

741
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:49,240
have to keep some sort of
energy, I would think, you know,

742
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,160
especially if something super
tragic, tragic.

743
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:58,960
There.
Well, have you ever been to like

744
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,000
one of those Civil War
battlefields like Gettysburg?

745
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,280
I feel like I have when I was a
kid, so I don't really remember.

746
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:11,200
I don't remember how much.
When I was stationed in

747
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:16,200
Maryland, we took a trip and
I'll tell you, being on, on

748
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,880
those, those fields, those,
that, those areas, right.

749
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:26,320
And you, you go up to like this
spot and it's just kind of off

750
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:31,120
in the off in the distance of,
you know, it's every, everyone's

751
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,840
kind of huddled around in the
middle of a field and you're

752
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,960
just kind of messing around in
the tree line.

753
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,840
You're like, I wonder what kind
of history happened here, right?

754
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,360
You know, the field's cool and
everything.

755
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,360
And I'm sure there was some
pretty bad ass stuff over there,

756
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,720
but you're just like, you're
just like sitting there and

757
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:47,520
like, man, but this just feels
different right here.

758
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,200
It's it's weird.
It's oh, maybe I could, maybe I

759
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,960
am a susceptible stuff.
I have no idea.

760
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:55,960
You need?
Probably not.

761
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,480
You want to feel some weird
feelings?

762
00:44:58,520 --> 00:44:59,760
Go to Normandy.
Oh my.

763
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,880
I literally when we were over
there because we stopped in

764
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,240
Breast France on one of my
deployments and we got to drive

765
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:09,280
into Normandy and I got sand
from Omaha and Utah beach and

766
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,000
stuff.
But literally the whole

767
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:16,200
landscape, it has hills and
that's all from mortar shells

768
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,120
and like all that, like all the
explosion stuff.

769
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,640
It used to be flat and it just,
it's all filled with hills and

770
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,560
stuff cuz those were all the
craters from, from artillery

771
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,960
going off and everything.
But you go over there and then

772
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:32,560
you go to the National Cemetery
in Normandy, bro, you get some

773
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,840
weird like like depression
starts sinking.

774
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,120
And I don't know if it's, it's
if it's related to anything in

775
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,760
the paranormal or just like, you
know, you see just graves and

776
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,320
graves and graves marked with
like 1820 year old kids, you

777
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,000
know, and there's thousands of
them.

778
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,840
You know, it's just like it's,
it's kind of mind blowing.

779
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,760
But yeah, it's like there's
definitely there.

780
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,080
I don't know, I there could be
areas that are just that are

781
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,640
attracted to energy like that
or, you know, if I were to say

782
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,800
like a demonic spirit or a
demonic oppression or something

783
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,640
like that.
But then also maybe just the

784
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:16,760
knowledge of what occurred there
is enough for us to be

785
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,840
empathetic enough or sensitive
enough to just be like, you

786
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:25,720
know, this is a, you know, you
get that's feeling some sort of

787
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:28,760
way about it, you know?
That's a good point.

788
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,080
And that's, you know, like a
skepticism, I guess I would

789
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:32,920
have.
And this goes along the lines of

790
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,960
the cryptids or the paranormal
or really any of these things,

791
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,640
right?
Is that like, you know, when you

792
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,440
know about something like that's
wild or crazy, especially in a

793
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,760
spot right then, and you're in
that spot too, right?

794
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,280
I wonder how much of it is, is
that right?

795
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,320
So like if you were to do an
experiment and you were, you

796
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,680
were to pull somebody out of
like the Amazon jungle, like an

797
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,640
uncontacted tribes person,
right?

798
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,160
And like bring him to one of
these places that are super

799
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,440
haunted.
Don't tell him that it's a

800
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:06,120
spooky place.
Just chill and see if they have

801
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,880
some weird.
This makes sense.

802
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:09,840
I don't know how that would
work.

803
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,560
Doesn't really have to be that.
It could just be some Joe Schmo

804
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,040
that's just never been to that
area before.

805
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,880
Grab someone from the
Appalachians that have never

806
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,320
left that area and take him over
to the Dahmer house and just be

807
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,040
like or the Dahmer, you know
his.

808
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,960
The only reason I said like a
tribes person, the only reason I

809
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,080
said a tribes person is because
they're not also affected by

810
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,480
like cultural norms, things that
we think is creepy and spooky,

811
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,640
right?
Like I think any of us could go

812
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,640
to like a spooky house and be
like, this is a spooky fucking

813
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,120
house, right?
You bring somebody from the

814
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,600
fucking jungle to a spooky
house, you'd be like, this is.

815
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,680
Awesome.
Right, so.

816
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,120
I don't have to.
Make it.

817
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,080
It's just, it's already here for
me.

818
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,680
Yeah, there's not a.
Jaguar trying to kill me in this

819
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,920
place like a crate.
And I wonder if they run into

820
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,600
like some spooky shit, then you
know for sure, like, OK, there's

821
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,520
something really going on here.
Because that's the problem,

822
00:47:58,520 --> 00:47:59,920
right?
When you watch the shows and

823
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:03,880
stuff, it's like, you know, the
meters and the things like that,

824
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,200
like none of that really
translate over TV.

825
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,520
So it's like when I'm, you know,
not being an investigator

826
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,480
myself, I just get this like
third hand experience where it's

827
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,920
like, OK, I'm watching people in
a spooky place using devices

828
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,600
that I'm not registering here,
right?

829
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,640
Like it's not translating
through the device to me.

830
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,960
So I'm not getting the same vibe
that those people are getting.

831
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,440
And it's the same with cryptids,
right?

832
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,120
It's like they're out there
hunting and it's like, dude, I

833
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,320
saw the Bigfoot and they're
freaked out.

834
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,800
And it's like, bro, but your
camera, bro, your camera is ass

835
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,880
and it always is ass.
And it doesn't translate to TV

836
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,320
very well, right?
So it's hard for the rest of us.

837
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,560
You know what that means?
That means we have to start

838
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,680
going places and doing things so
that you can have a first hand

839
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,320
experience.
That's true.

840
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,560
I'm down for field trips.
Yeah, I'm down.

841
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,320
Yeah.
That's fun.

842
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:59,360
So so I was I was going to
mention this a a minute ago and

843
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:05,280
we got sidetracked some down
some other things, but when

844
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:10,840
Raven had asked, I can't
remember, I can't remember what

845
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:18,080
the original question was.
I was going to say that Jake and

846
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:22,080
Jeff, there is a topic that I
think you guys should come

847
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:28,000
together on and and present.
Which is.

848
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,960
Spit it out.
It's called the Collins Elite.

849
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,400
You guys ever heard of it?
No, the Collins Elite.

850
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,320
Let me look this up right now.
I'll tell you if this is.

851
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:47,800
The Collins elite I think this
is perfectly mending you 2

852
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:52,360
together perfectly.
Christians who have concluded

853
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,600
that the UFO phenomenon is the
not is demonic in origin and who

854
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,760
work to discourage government
contact with an AGS, whatever an

855
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,000
AGS are non human entities.
So they.

856
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,880
Are.
They are a group.

857
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,600
They are a group of.
People there, they're well.

858
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,120
No, they're, they're actually
like, like a, a sort of like a

859
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:19,000
secret society within branches
of the military and the

860
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,080
government and intelligence
communities that actively push

861
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:30,000
against the, the research into
UFO and alien anomalies,

862
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,920
phenomena that go on because
they believe or they, they,

863
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:41,920
they, they claim to know that
this UFO and, and UAUAP and

864
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:47,640
alien, all these events that are
going on in the world are all

865
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:53,320
being pushed by demonic activity
that was caused by L Ron Hubbard

866
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,400
and this other guy, I can't
remember his name, that opened

867
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:03,520
up a portal doing this, this
practice back in 19/7/1974,

868
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,520
Jack.
Parsons and L Ron Hubbard.

869
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:10,240
Jack Parsons and L Ron Hubbard,
they actually were participating

870
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:16,320
in this, this sort of this, this
practice that was originally

871
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:21,240
created by Aleister Crowley.
Yeah, yeah.

872
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:25,880
The thalemic ritual.
And they open up this portal,

873
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,000
and that's when all of these
demonic entities started

874
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,240
bleeding through.
And in 1974, that's when we had

875
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:37,560
this humongous wave of UFO
activity sweep over the world.

876
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,400
And that's when we had the big
summer of UFO and flying saucer

877
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:48,600
activity, including Jake the,
your, your homeboy who had the,

878
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:54,560
the, the, the flying saucer
report from, from Mount Rainier.

879
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:57,720
Yeah, in in 1960.
Four thing about all that

880
00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:01,960
brother, is I actually live like
I live like 7 miles or 8 miles

881
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,440
in a straight line from where
they did that ritual.

882
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:09,080
I think it was at, I think it
was Launchpad 33, which is not a

883
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:09,920
coincidence.
Did you?

884
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,800
Not just hear me say that this
is a perfect mend of the two of

885
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:13,720
you.
I just said that.

886
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,040
Well, I heard you say that.
I was just saying like, hey, I

887
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:17,160
live right next to where they
did that.

888
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,000
I was like, hey Jake, hey Jeff,
this is like the perfect thing

889
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,320
for both of you guys to come
together and do and you were.

890
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,440
Like.
Let me see if this is a psyop

891
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,240
you dumbass.
And I was like, all right, go

892
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:29,080
ahead.
Well, here's the thing though.

893
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,760
In order for us to do that, I
would have to fly down there,

894
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,320
which means that my my plane
would most likely crash.

895
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,880
I'm not going to do that.
And gas prices in a 2012 Tundra.

896
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,320
I mean I'm going to spend
$1,000,000 to get there.

897
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,240
Yeah, well, good thing, I
believe.

898
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:54,400
Nick Redfern, I wrote a book on
it so.

899
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,720
I don't know how to read, so I
guess I'm going to fly.

900
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:02,880
But yeah, if if you're in the
chat and you want to, you want

901
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,360
to see them get together and and
present that topic.

902
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,320
If not, you'll have to wait for
me to do it in a couple years.

903
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,240
Old fashioned collab.
I would like to present that

904
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:17,040
topic, so I'm voting for that.
That's one vote for that.

905
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,360
I can tell you right now that
that is.

906
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,920
Not enough.
To get them to do it and they

907
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,040
both presented.
Todd, Todd, last day.

908
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,000
I mean, if you're asking us to
like write 30 page essay,

909
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,640
probably not.
But if you want us to sit down

910
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,240
and talk for two hours about it,
I could do that next week.

911
00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:34,040
You're going to go into Grok
right now and go punch in.

912
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:38,040
Give me a 30 minute presentation
on a Collins Elite and and then

913
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,520
it's going to punch it out an AI
and then you're going to

914
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,200
present.
That's what you're going to do.

915
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,600
It's going to take.
You all 60 seconds bro.

916
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,800
I've already exhausted the AI
bro.

917
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,560
It's not good enough.
I haven't used it in months

918
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,080
because it's just boring now.
It's not good enough.

919
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,040
You're going to be like, So what
do you guys think about Colin's

920
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:55,280
elite?
We're like, yeah, that's pretty

921
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:55,600
cool.
That's.

922
00:53:57,240 --> 00:53:58,840
That's your necessary?
Yeah, we agree.

923
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,760
Yeah.
We agree.

924
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,000
Jeez, man, you guys are all
right.

925
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,120
All right.
Well, Raven, why don't you go

926
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,960
ahead and let everybody know
where they can find you?

927
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,360
We're going to go ahead and
start signing off here.

928
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,560
So let everyone know where they
can listen to your stuff, where

929
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,680
they can, you know, follow you
on all your socials, what kind

930
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:29,560
of upcoming cool projects you
have, whether it's in within

931
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,320
dark woods Paranormal or outside
of dark woods paranormal, let

932
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,680
everybody know that you're going
to be at UFO days again and any

933
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,280
other cool things that you're
going to be doing.

934
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,000
And then of course, you know, I
am in charge of of setting the

935
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,320
line up this year for presenters
and and a little birdie told me

936
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,480
that you were interested so.
We'll.

937
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,520
Of we'll of course talk about
that too.

938
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:58,400
So go ahead floors lawyers.
Yeah, so you can always find us

939
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,040
at darkwoodsparanormal.com.
That is our our main website,

940
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,080
but you can also find our
podcast wherever you get

941
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,640
podcasts.
So iHeartRadio, Spotify, any of

942
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,040
those things.
We also have a Facebook page, so

943
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,800
you can follow us on Facebook at
dark Woods paranormal and also

944
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,320
TikTok.
So it's dark woods paranormal on

945
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,720
TikTok as well.
Dark Woods para paranorm.

946
00:55:19,720 --> 00:55:24,680
I think it says but might not be
the full, the forward, but yeah,

947
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,280
that's where you can even find
us.

948
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,400
Come, follow us, come like,
comment, share all of all of the

949
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,520
things, subscribe.
We're also, we're always looking

950
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,840
for stories, always looking for
people's experiences.

951
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,840
So if anybody has experiences
they don't feel too scared to

952
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,760
share, they can always e-mail us
at

953
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:47,320
darkwoodsparanormalpodcast@gmail.com
or even just reach out to us on

954
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,400
any of our on our platforms as
well.

955
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,080
But yeah, tomorrow we are
dropping a brand new episode.

956
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:57,440
Like I said, Gabriel is working.
He actually had, he was very

957
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,120
scared to work on this episode.
That sounds silly, but it's the

958
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,160
book of Magic.
So he's talking all about the

959
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,760
book of magic, kind of like the
Devil's book or the Devil's

960
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,120
Bible.
I think he had called it

961
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,800
originally, but that's what he's
working on tonight.

962
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,360
And yeah, he's like, I am
afraid.

963
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,560
I don't want to invite anything
in, but he's he's going to be

964
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,960
releasing that tomorrow.
So tomorrow morning that should

965
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:25,000
be out.
And you can find us if, if

966
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,760
anyone was going to Missouri
Paracon, they could find us at

967
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,520
Missouri Paracon starting on
Friday of this week.

968
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,880
So we'll be at Missouri Paracon
on Friday.

969
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,280
We have a vendor booth.
And we're also saying if anyone

970
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:41,320
was listening on here and then
went, we would give them a free

971
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,040
shirt.
So if they show up, they can get

972
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,680
some free merch from us.
Yeah.

973
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,400
Missouri.
Look at that.

974
00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:54,360
So, yeah, so that's this week
and then the week and after

975
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,160
that, so the 7th, we will be at
Skippy's Bar in Barron,

976
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:03,480
Wisconsin doing our an overnight
investigation of their their

977
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,600
bar, which will be very
interesting.

978
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,560
Like I said, they interviewed
somebody today about bartender

979
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:12,440
that used to work there and he
is certain that we're we're

980
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,960
going to catch something.
So I kind of love that for us

981
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,320
should be interesting.
We're actually going to be doing

982
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:22,000
a live from our Facebook and
also from our TikTok and

983
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,280
recording that as well.
But we will be we will be going

984
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,200
live at 3:00 in the morning.
So if anybody wants to check

985
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,240
that out, they can watch or they
can just wait for the recorded

986
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,040
episode to come out.
But those are the things coming

987
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,200
up and those in the next couple
weeks.

988
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:42,520
Also in Milwaukee, we'll be
going to Horicon that second

989
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:46,560
weekend of March.
So we have it's, there's a lot

990
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,960
coming up in the next few weeks,
but we will be out and about and

991
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,320
all over the place and hopefully
at UFO Days with you guys.

992
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:57,680
So yeah.
That's nice, but yeah.

993
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,360
Come check, come, come listen to
us.

994
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,560
Like you said, it's we have a
wide variety of topics, but

995
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,960
something kind of something for
everyone I think you know.

996
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:14,080
Did Skeeter, did you, did you
really ask us to to do the

997
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:19,200
Philadelphia Experiment?
Did he really did?

998
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,400
Did I don't know.
I did.

999
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,960
I did a 2 1/2 part episode on
the Philadelphia Experiment

1000
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:26,360
already.
Wasn't good enough.

1001
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:30,560
That was like a four hour
endeavour that I did just for

1002
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,480
you used.
Rock, You fucking idiot.

1003
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:34,560
I didn't.
She did extra rock.

1004
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,160
Rock.
Didn't even exist when I did

1005
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:38,920
that.
Could have waited.

1006
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,840
Could have used ChatGPT and then
you could have had the demon

1007
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,880
just talking to you through the
AI.

1008
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,400
That's that is some pretty weird
stuff.

1009
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:51,480
The pair of barons right down
the road from us.

1010
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:52,200
That's that's.
Weird.

1011
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:53,480
Yeah, I mean.
Yeah.

1012
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,200
Maybe you guys can come too.
We would love for you guys to

1013
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:01,200
come too.
And so it will be the 7th.

1014
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,840
I did did reach out, but didn't
get confirmation yet to the

1015
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,520
owner to see if we could do
another, another day if you guys

1016
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,680
were interested in joining us
for a second investigation.

1017
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,920
Yeah, Friday.
So I'd be like, we have to be

1018
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,400
there at 2:30 in the morning on
that Friday.

1019
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,040
But yeah.
I had.

1020
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,120
We'll, we'll talk about that in
a little bit.

1021
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:28,000
I can't do the 7th.
It'd be for the 8th.

1022
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:29,680
We could talk.
With you.

1023
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,440
I can't I can't do that either,
but we'll, we'll, we'll talk

1024
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:39,560
about it here in a little bit.
Well, Raven, hang tight for a

1025
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:43,520
minute.
Once I go ahead and stop the

1026
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:50,360
recording, it's going to kick us
off this and or at least off

1027
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:55,200
twitch and it's going to
download your your video and and

1028
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:59,760
audio over to me for a minute,
which only takes a a little bit,

1029
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,760
but we'll, we'll discuss some
other things offline.

1030
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,600
It does.
It does this weird thing where

1031
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:10,560
it kind of like keeps us over on
twitch for a few minutes and

1032
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:14,720
then everyone in the chat will
keep telling us that we're live

1033
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,040
for a little while.
It's it's weird.

1034
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,920
They they do it every time.
They they love it.

1035
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:23,120
But all right, Jake, Jeff, you
guys got anything else to say

1036
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,600
before we go?
No, I appreciate you coming on

1037
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,360
Raven.
I won't see you in any of the

1038
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:34,320
near future events, but I will
probably see you at UFO days.

1039
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:38,320
So.
Yes, Raven, thank you for coming

1040
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,000
on and and chatting with us for
a little bit.

1041
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,520
I know we're kind of goofy and
stuff, but yeah, it was it's

1042
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:47,600
cool here and here.
Your side of the investigation

1043
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,840
world, you know, something like
Jeff or not Jeff, something that

1044
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,960
Jeremy said where since CJ left,
I mean, we really don't dabble

1045
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,160
in the paranormal.
You know, we're I, I don't think

1046
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,040
that any of us really put much
weight into that, you know, as

1047
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,960
far as like just a straight up
like, yeah, ghosts are real type

1048
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,520
thing.
So we don't have that

1049
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,280
personality.
And so it's nice to have a

1050
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,600
someone else come on and just
kind of give their account of

1051
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,680
that side.
And you know, it sounds like you

1052
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,640
and your Co host Gabriel are
doing some really cool stuff and

1053
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,560
hopefully one day we'll we'll
grow up and pull our heads out

1054
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,240
of our butts and start doing
trips to like that would be

1055
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,440
pretty cool.
Yeah, thank you for coming on

1056
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:26,800
for.
Having me you guys, I really

1057
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:28,840
liked this.
It was nice to chat with all of

1058
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:29,960
you.
You've been wonderful so.

1059
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,120
Thank you.
Very, very cool.

1060
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:39,720
Indeed, indeed.
Well, that has been another

1061
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:41,560
episode of the Infinite Rabbit
Hole podcast.

1062
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:47,880
I am about, I'd say another week
or two away from officially

1063
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:56,040
announcing the new project.
And I am probably it's it's

1064
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,480
probably safe to say that the
book will not be published by

1065
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:05,240
UFO Days.
There have been some hiccups in

1066
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:10,720
the process and it looks like
it's going to be post UFO days.

1067
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,200
So I will not have the book at
the at the festival.

1068
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,520
But it is what it is.
Things happen.

1069
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:18,560
Stay tuned.
Maybe that changes.

1070
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,760
We'll see.
But until next time, travelers,

1071
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:24,720
this has been another episode of
Games in a Rabbit Hole podcast.

1072
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,080
I'm your host, Jeremy, and I'll
see you in the next fork and

1073
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:29,600
path of the infinite rabbit
hole.

1074
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,000
And they didn't Boo that guy.
They didn't Boo him this time,

1075
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:34,600
everybody.
Nobody booed me.

1076
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,280
Bye everybody.
Bye bye.

1077
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:43,560
Bye.
Hey everybody, thanks for

1078
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,720
checking out the Infinite Rabbit
Hole podcast.

1079
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:47,960
If you're looking for more of
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1080
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,320
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1081
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,720
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1082
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,800
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1083
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,680
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1084
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,960
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1085
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,040
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1086
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:09,760
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1087
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:11,640
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