211. Wisconsin CAPS w/ Barnaby Jones

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Welcome back to the Infinite
Rabbit Hole.

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I'm your host Jeremy, and today
for like the 4th or 5th week in

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a row, I've lost count.
Now we have a guest.

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This is the new Infinite Rabbit
where we don't highlight our

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voices but we make you listen to
us first.

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I'm Jeremy, I'm your host yet
again and I am joined by my Co

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host Jake and pissed off
jackalope face Jeff.

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That's right there.
There's an inside joke there.

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Maybe I'll show you guys later,
Maybe I won't.

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I don't know.
We'll see.

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Pissed off.
Jeffrey, how are you doing?

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Well, I'm not pissed off.
Look at you all mad.

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Not mad.
I'm chilling.

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Pretty good.
How angry you are.

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So angry.
Hanging out.

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Went fishing today.
You know, medicated myself in

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various ways.
I'm good.

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Chilling.
I got some horchata tea here,

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pretty good asking about
chemtrails.

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Gotcha.
Horchata is the bee's boobs did.

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I did I ever did I ever show you
my my Bigfoot coffee mugs?

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That's.
Cool, I.

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Like that?
How cool is that?

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Come on.
Man, pretty.

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Cool, right, Bigfoot.
I mean that's that's the

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derpiest Bigfoot I've ever seen,
but show me.

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Show me the mug that I got you.
Which one?

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The Bigfoot mug.
There you go, Chantelle.

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It's in there.
I don't know which one you got.

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Me.
It's the one that's actual foot.

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Oh, the foot one, it's the foot.
Look at them.

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Look at that.
It's look at that foot.

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Look at that foot I saw.
If I saw that print in the wild,

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it'd be like that's a Bigfoot.
All right, Jake, how you doing,

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bud?
I'm doing well, did a lot of

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stuff today.
I went our way to go pick up a

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fuel oil tanks so I could turn
it into a an evaporator and an

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evaporator.
There you go for syrup season

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because we have entered it where
the nights are below freezing

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and the days are above freezing.
So I'm going to be tapping some

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trees tomorrow and welding up
this evaporator, and it should

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be much bigger than the one I
had.

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I mean, it is much bigger than
the one I had last year.

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But yeah, so I am, I'm pretty
stoked and I might go fishing

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for a little bit.
But yeah, remains to be seen.

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It depends on how busy I am.
But yeah, doing good.

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Been fighting with vegans.
So that's been cool.

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And here I am.
Nice.

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Before we move on to our guest,
I want to say thank you to

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Tokosis for the follow.
Very much, very much

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appreciated.
I think we're only like 5

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followers away from being able
to.

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What's that?
What's that that mark we're

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trying to hit?
Affiliate.

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Affiliate.
Affiliate.

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Yeah.
We're pretty close to that.

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So big stuff there.
Thank you very much.

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Thank you.
Share the show with your friends

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so we can break it tonight.
There you go.

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Thanks, Toe cozies.
All right, without further ado,

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let's introduce our guests for
the night.

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Barnaby Jones is a prominent
cryptozoologist and paranormal

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researcher based in Wisconsin,
known for founding the Cryptids,

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Anomalies and Paranormal
Society, better known as CAPS,

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and hosting shows like Monsters
on the Edge and The Paranormal

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Spectrum, which I was a guest on
by the way, on the Untold Radio

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Network.
His expertise has been showcased

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in various media outlets,
including American Paranormal

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Magazine and My Haunted Hometown
on T&E Network, along with

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numerous podcasts.
Jones and his team primarily

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investigate Wisconsin but have
also ventured across the United

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States, exploring a wide range
of locations.

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Locations such as haunted sites
and remote forests to uncover

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elusive creatures and spirits.
Barnaby Jones, welcome to the

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infinite rabbit hole.
Is a blast to be here man.

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Glad to be here tonight.
It's it's, it's been a while

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since we talked, man.
I think we talked shoot, I think

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it was right before UFO days
last year.

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So it's been about about nine
months, eight or nine months,

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right, Something like.
That.

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Yeah, no, it's we actually
shoot, I think it was when we

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set up at UFO Days.
The very first day was a very,

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was a pretty slow day.
It was everyone was kind of just

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getting ready and then they did
that, that Frisbee toss.

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But we had one person that came
up and said that they they

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listened to your show and saw me
on the show.

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Nice.
So that was pretty cool.

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Yeah, Man, that's awesome.
Instant payoff, so thanks.

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Very cool, very cool.
Glad to hear it.

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So how did you get started in
all this?

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How did how did Barnaby Jones
get into the world of cryptids,

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anomalies, and paranormal?
I, I've always been interested

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in it my whole life.
I never realized that Bigfoot

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was, you know, was all over the
US like it is.

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I was very, you know, I, I, I, I
focused more on the paranormal

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because I knew that that was
everywhere.

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But I, my love was cryptids.
I don't, you know, I don't

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travel around the world and
stuff.

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So I never thought that I'd get
involved in it as much as I

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have.
But the more I've dug into it,

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the more I realized that this
stuff is all around us.

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Every state has cryptids from,
you know, Wisconsin right here

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we have the dog man and Bigfoot.
We have, according to Chad

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Lewis, over 50 some lakes in the
state of Wisconsin that have

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lake monsters in them.
And of course, we have the

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random visits from the lake MI
Mothman creature.

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So whatever that happens to be.
So we have quite a wide variety

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of weird creatures here in
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And I had my first experience
down in Burlington, WI.

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And we went down there because
it's this Nexus of all kinds of

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weird, crazy phenomenon from
UFOs to paranormal to Bigfoot.

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And so we decided to go down
there one night when I had

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nothing better to do with my
paranormal researcher friend and

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we had our first Bigfoot
encounter where this thing kind

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of came through the woods
towards our where the parking

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lot where we were parked in.
And as I shine my light along

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the Ridge, it popped back from
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It had been like leaning down
this branch looking out at us I

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believe.
And as soon as I hit it with the

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light it ducked back in.
A week later we went back down

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there with a bunch of people and
ended up finding footprints.

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We got growled at, we heard
whistles, we had a whole bunch

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of Bigfoot type activity there
and we spent the next couple

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months going down there almost
every weekend researching and

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it's it's snowballed into what
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We traveled all over the United
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I speak at conventions all over
the USI do library

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presentations, I host the two
podcasts and we've been to some

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very weird places and seen a lot
of weird things.

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So we're we're open to whatever
you want to talk about tonight.

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Man, that's awesome.
That's, that's wild stuff, man.

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So how did, how did you get a
convention going?

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So you have you have your own
event, right?

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Yeah, so we started in in before
I started caps I we went up to

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the heightened Adventure, which
is this 80 acre private property

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in Upper Michigan that was
featured on Finding Bigfoot.

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After a series of three-game
camera photos were captured on

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the property in the middle, one
may contain what some believe is

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a Bigfoot.
And ever since it aired on

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Finding Bigfoot, people want to
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evidence.
So Craig Salk and his wife, Barb

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Salk, opened up the property as
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people to come see the evidence
and hear the stories.

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And in 2019, myself and my mom
went up there and met Craig and

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Barb and got to tour the
property.

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And this is when I realized
that, you know, these creatures

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are in Wisconsin, they're in
upper Michigan.

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There's Bigfoot all over the
United States.

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So that led me down to
researching Linda Godfrey, the

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Beast of Bray Rd., Mary
Sutherland, and eventually Mary,

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Linda Godfrey, Mary Sutherland,
which led me to Burlington Woods

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and the the whole thing down
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So in 2020, we got the
opportunity to go up and

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research at the heightened
adventure on that property.

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And we got to spend like every
weekend up there with Craig and

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Barb and, you know, just dig
into this whole phenomenon.

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Well, in October of 2020, Craig
was diagnosed with thyroid

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cancer and he ended up passing
away the following April.

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And they had been running this
convention up there for three

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years at that time before COVID
hit and they had to take a break

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off.
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Craig passed away.
So they ended up taking another

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year off from this convention
and they weren't sure if they

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wanted to run a convention or
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And so my team stepped up and we
said, well, we'll help you run

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this.
So we, we picked up the reins

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and start helping run the
Marinette Menominee Bigfoot

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Paranormal Convention.
Well, we did that for three

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years.
And this thing just absolutely

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outgrew Marinette Menominee and
they want to keep their

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convention local.
And we still want to do this big

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event because we we were
incorporating everything from

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Bigfoot hikes to paranormal
investigations and all this

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other stuff.
But they want to keep it local.

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So we kind of branched off.
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this past year was also the last
year of MI Paracon in Upper

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Michigan.
So now you have this huge gap

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for conventions in our area.
You know, the, the largest one

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in our area, MI Paracon pretty
much closed up.

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So now there's this lack of any
major event here.

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So we thought, OK, well, we're
going to start out with this

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smaller event, which is the
Wisconsin Cryptids Anomalies and

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Paranormal Convention in
Appleton.

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It's coming up here May 9th
through the 11th.

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And we kind of thought, you
know, well, we gave it a brand

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new name, We gave it a brand new
location.

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And you know, it's, it's going
to take it a year to to roll.

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And we've been absolutely
floored by the amount of people

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interested in this, that we have
limited tickets available for

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this event because we just don't
have seating for everyone.

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With the NFL draft in the end of
April in Green Bay, WI, all the

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venues are booked out a month
either side of that in this area

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for just all the, the people
coming into town for the event,

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all the everything that's going
on, the setup and then the tear

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down.
So we were very limited as to

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where we could hold this event.
So we, we picked one of the only

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locations that we could actually
get to and that's, that's how we

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got this started.
So we're hoping to to build it

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and make it bigger and better
every year.

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But this is this is going to be
our first one.

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So we also have virtual tickets
for anybody that can't make it

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out in person.
You can actually live stream all

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of our speakers and even we're
premiering our brand new

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documentary at this event as
well, which is the Hairy Man of

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Dairyland, Wisconsin State.
And it's focusing on showcasing

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just everything about Bigfoot in
Wisconsin from the evidence, the

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witnesses and the people that
are out there searching for this

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creature.
So you get all aspects of this,

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including like some of the
family life of the people

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involved.
There's reenactments of some of

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the the sightings and stuff.
So it's this whole encompassing

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documentary that we're
premiering and with the the

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virtual ticket, you'll also get
a chance to watch that.

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You'll get a link for that as
well.

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So.
And that's awesome.

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So you said that you got into
this because you realize the

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Bigfoot was everywhere.
This seems weird to me.

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I mean, have you ever had, like,
a Bigfoot experience?

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Because some people will say,
you know, Bigfoot is everywhere

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and stuff like that.
And they're just like, OK, you

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know, a bunch of crazies all
over the place, right?

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Like, Jeremy has his own
experience.

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I have my own experience, can
you share with us your

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experience if you have one?
He just, he just told us about

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one.
Yeah.

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I'm sorry.
I told you I had the my first

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experience was down in
Burlington, WI where we had the

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one that I believe was peeking
out of the woods and holding the

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branch down.
I hit it with light.

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It ducked back in.
That was my first encounter with

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what I believe would be a
Bigfoot.

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After that we went back down
there and we actually found the

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footprints in that area.
We had a huge branch ripped off

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a tree.
We got two of these creatures on

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thermal image that night.
We were growled at.

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We had all kinds of experiences
there.

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My next set of experiences was
up in Rhinelander, WI when we

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were following up on some
encounters there.

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There was a series of howls
recorded in March of 2020 and we

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were there investigating.
We actually found a couple old

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there was one trackway that led
along this side of a path that

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the original witnesses had
documented one of the

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footprints.
They took a cast of it and we

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were actually able to find a few
more of the prints in this

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series as well.
And then we also found some

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possibly melted out footprints
over in the snow in the Humboldt

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Wildlife Area across the river
from where the witnesses were.

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And in the course of researching
there, we were doing a night

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stakeout and we had three of
these creatures come down on the

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opposite shore of the Pelican
River there and throw rocks

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across the river at us.
And I got one of those on

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Thermal on the opposite shore as
well, where you can actually see

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its arm go backwards forwards
and then you hear the splash.

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So we got that on camera.
That was the the day pretty much

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when I realized that this is
legitimate.

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You know, like you, you said,
you know, like footprints are

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one thing, you know, I don't
know what that is, you know, and

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some of this other anecdotal
evidence and stuff.

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But when you have these
creatures throwing rocks, we

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determined they're about the
size of our fist based on how

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loud the splashes were, how big
the rocks were hitting the

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water.
So anything smaller would make a

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smaller splash, etcetera.
And we kind of figured that out.

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They were also getting these
rocks over halfway across the

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river towards US.
One of the original witnesses

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was over 6 feet tall and he was
lobbing these rocks as hard as

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he could and he couldn't even
get them halfway across the

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river, right.
This thing is throwing massive

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rock.
They're.

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Trebucheting those things, yeah.
So then the next day we went

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over there in the morning on the
other side of the river and we

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actually found three distinct
sized footprints on that shore,

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okay.
So that's cool, yeah.

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Fuck, that's cool.
It's funny because when Jeremy

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and I started this podcast, he
had told me his Bigfoot

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experience and he he will tell
everyone that I told him he was

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full of crap.
It's true or full of shit.

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And I don't recall ever saying
that, but it sounds like

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something I'd say maybe.
But gosh, must been four years

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ago now. 5 five years now.
Five years ago now, I I went

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camping with my my brother and
all of his friends up in Dinky

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Creek, California, which.
Oh, Dinky Creek would have been

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four.
Yeah, sorry.

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At at the time the California
wildfires had burned everything

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up to Dinky Creek and Shaver
Lake and above and it was, it

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was pretty bad.
So like when we were out plank

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shooting with my 3030, we had a
massive buck come rolling up on

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us because he hadn't had any
hunting pressure for years

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because there was COVID.
So they shut down all of the

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National Park sort of stuff.
And then there was the wildfires

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and then the wildfires and then
the Cove and the wildfires and

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just he just walked up on us
like, oh, hey, guys, what's up?

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I'm like, Oh my gosh, that's,
you know, that's a 10 by 10.

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It's huge, you know, type stuff.
But he just rolled out.

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But while we were there, it was,
it wasn't like, you know, a

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campsite sort of setup.
It was where you can fit, you

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get that spot and the next
person gets the next spot

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wherever it's flat or wherever
you could, you know, put a

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campsite.
And so we had this one spot, it

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was overlooking a really nice
valley.

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And we saw, or at least one of
the guys saw a Mountain Lion

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howling at one point.
And he's like, gosh, I hope it

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doesn't come over here, right?
Because it's all yowling out

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there in the in the, in the
brush.

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But the first night, everyone
there had some sort of like,

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yeah, I guess Bigfoot could be
real type stuff.

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And I had been on this podcast
for a couple years.

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I was like, I'll tell you what,
I'll pull up my, you know, 3030

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and blow a hole through its
chest type stuff, right?

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But we had another party that
was probably half a mile from us

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up the hill.
And they, oh, my gosh, you could

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hear him clear as day, hooting
and hollering.

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You could see the light from the
bonfire.

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They're drunk as a skunk.
They're screaming, and they're

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all the sort of stuff.
And we hear this guttural yell

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that's unlike anything I've ever
heard in my life.

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And everyone shuts up.
They shut up, we shut up.

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I can't even breathe.
And it's like through the woods

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and stuff like that.
We hear all the tree knockings,

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you know, 1-2 threes over here,
1-2 threes over there.

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And I'm like, I swear I went 20
minutes without breathing.

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All this game.
I talk, I'm just like, yeah,

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I'll do whatever.
And I'm just like, I'm gonna die

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right now, right?
And then the next day, because

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it was in Northern California,
it's super dry.

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You know, all the all the trees,
It's pretty much just a

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tinderbox waiting go up.
But we had a lot of kids there

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because all my brother, he's
older, he's in his 40s and all

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of his friends are in their 40s.
And so they got a bunch of kids

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and stuff.
So they're all kicking up all

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this dirt in the middle of the
campsite.

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But behind my tent, I found like
a 16 inch footprint, like a bare

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footprint.
And I sent a picture when we got

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down into into cell phone signal
into into Shaver Lake.

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I sent Jeremy a picture and I
was like, this is crazy.

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It was right behind my tent.
It was deep impression inside

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the pine needles in the dirt and
I was like, I don't know where

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it goes from there because it
goes into rocks and then behind

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that it's all where the kids are
kicking up all the dirt and it's

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all a bunch of little kid
footprints, right.

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So it was it was, it was
interesting enough.

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And Jeremy got me a a plastic
bucket, which I still have.

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So he's like, the next time you
go camping, you see some weird,

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you know, make a cast of it
until years later.

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I was actually, you know, Jeremy
was always.

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Already living here in
Wisconsin, I was getting out of

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the Navy last year actually.
And I was driving cross country

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and when I was going through
Oklahoma, I'm going, it's two

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lanes of traffic.
There's a, it's just, you know,

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going this way and then there's
a barrier and then everyone's

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going this way.
But we're, we're going 2 lanes

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of traffic.
It's me and a bunch of semi

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trucks.
I'm pulling a 24 foot, you know,

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trailer wife got there earlier.
She I bought the house, she got

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in it.
You know, all the necessities,

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everything.
I'm just, you know, finishing up

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my time up in the Navy.
But I'm going through Oklahoma

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and you know, it's beautiful,
like all the places I went

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through from California to
Wisconsin, just gorgeous, right.

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I pretty much went on the 66 or
yeah, Route 66, which is the 40

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now I think all the way through
and then got right up underneath

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Wisconsin and went straight up.
And so I'm, I'm going through

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all this land, I'm looking and
stuff like that.

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And I see this thing in this cow
pasture that is hauling ass and

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it's big and it's just like an
Olympic sprinter just hauling

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and it's huge.
And I'm, I'm like looking and

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they're semi trucks that are
merging, getting in all these,

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all these different ways.
And I'm looking and I'm seeing

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all this stuff and I'm looking
for like, you know, maybe 20

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seconds.
And then after I'm done, I hit

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up Jeremy and I'm like, dude, I
just saw something that I don't,

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I have no idea what it is.
And he's like, all right, so

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would you see?
I was like, it looked like a guy

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in a ghillie suit that was like
8 feet tall doing a straight on

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dead Sprint across a field or
like a cow pasture.

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And so we talked about it for a
little bit and Oklahoma is a

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huge area for sightings, right?
So they go from one tree line to

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another tree line.
They breakthrough the tree lines

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and they just haul through these
tree lines and they get to the

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next one.
And then they chill out and, you

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know, crop dusters and all these
people, they're always seeing

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these sorts of things, right?
And so I tell him I'm just like,

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yeah, this is what I saw.
And so we kind of deduce it

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down.
I was like, so barring an 8 foot

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tall Olympic sprinter in a Gilly
suit, it was a Sasquatch, right?

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So it's like, it's like it was
crazy.

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So even going from the start of
this podcast where I'm just

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like, I have no experience.
I've been out in the woods a

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lot, but maybe in not, not the
right moments or not the right

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locations or whatever it is to
actually having some kind of

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experience, not nearly what
Jeremy has had, but has gotten

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me the realm of like, you know,
me as a Christian person, I'm

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like, all right, so God created
a Bigfoot.

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We know that Gigantopithecus
existed at some point and we

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know that, you know, people and
animals traveled through the ice

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bridges to the North America
from Asia.

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So maybe that's what happened.
And because the food sources and

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limited resources and all that
sort of stuff, they're smaller

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than they used to be type stuff
like the sloths that were the

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size of minivans or whatever,
right.

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So that's kind of where I I play
it as.

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But I would love to have an
experience like Jeremy.

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I don't know if he's shared it
with you yet, but it's pretty

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crazy.
But yeah, I love it when people

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are big into a Cryptid or a
topic, not because it's just

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something interesting to talk to
and or talk about and there's a

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lot of reaction from it.
And they can get a lot of press

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from it or a lot of views or
clicks or whatever it is or

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monetization from it.
But rather because they've had

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an experience that can that kind
of open up their eyes to be

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like, yeah, I think there might
be something here, you know?

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Yeah.
That's really cool.

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Yeah.
I unfortunately, I haven't seen

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one aside from through thermal.
I've had a lot of audio

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experiences where have been
growled and stuff from very

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close proximity by something
that I couldn't see.

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And I've been out there to, you
know, very close to these

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things.
My mom has actually seen one

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twice, once in Upper Michigan
and then once down in Kentucky

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and I was there both of those
times.

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One I was for the upper Michigan
one I was in a different part of

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the woods at the time and then
in Kentucky.

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I was pretty much just standing
right next to her when it

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happened, but I was digging in
the back of the car so missed

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it.
Both thighs.

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Freaking everywhere, man.
I would love to even see one on

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thermal.
I mean me and my wife we have

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game trail cameras.
We have 8 acres, 8 wooded acres

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and it's, it's pretty popular
for, for deer, raccoons,

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squirrels, you know, all the,
all the various animals.

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Jeremy has a buddy that got a, a
wolf on a game trailer camera on

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the fields over here in
Wisconsin.

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But we we had an incident where
the deer don't usually mess with

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the game trailer cameras.
You know, they might snoot at

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them.
You'll see a nose every once in

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a while.
It's kind of funny.

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We'll save those videos and
stuff.

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But we had our camera grabbed
and shifted over away from the

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bait pile we were baiting just
to see what was on the property

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or what was here when we first
moved here.

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So we're throwing out apples out
there and corn and peanuts and

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things like that just to see,
you know, what sort of animals

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can we expect?
We're from California, so it's

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like, you know, what, what
what's around here, right?

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What we got to worry about or,
and everything.

446
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,160
But yeah, it was weird.
It was like there was nothing

447
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,440
that was physically on top of
the lens of the camera, but the

448
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,680
whole camera, it's like it got
picked up and just shifted over

449
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,920
so we couldn't even see the pile
anymore.

450
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,840
And it we were like, that's
weird because the year we'll

451
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,080
come over and sniff add and all
that sort of stuff, there are

452
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,240
coons.
They don't care.

453
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,520
Nothing else cares.
We've had bears on our cameras

454
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,640
before and they're just going
after whatever food we have on

455
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,160
the ground and they're just
rolling out when they're done.

456
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,960
But that was the weird thing.
And it's like, OK, that's kind

457
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,240
of strange.
And then Jeremy and I, his mom

458
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:14,400
lives on a 40 acre property not
far from us and we went over

459
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,480
there and we recorded probably
an hour worth of stuff on my

460
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:25,440
phone of it was like saplings
that were bent in half and held

461
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:30,120
down by stuff.
And big old branches like way up

462
00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:33,160
there that were not like, you
know, a dead branch kind of

463
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,520
shears off and just falls, but
like ripped off.

464
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,320
So you could see all the, you
know, everything coming off of

465
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,400
the trunk and everything.
And some strict trees with like

466
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,400
roots up in the air, like yeah,
it was upside down it.

467
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,280
Was and it was right.
Next to.

468
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,360
Where his mom lives they have
some apple trees I'm sure

469
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:55,520
someone planted 30 years ago.
They look pretty gnarled, but I

470
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,280
mean, you could see all the the
deer scat and everything around

471
00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:59,960
there.
But I mean, looking at food

472
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:02,440
sources and stuff.
So I mean, I'm sure there are

473
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:08,480
things out here especially, you
know, Wisconsin, Minnesota, you

474
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,640
know, Illinois, you know, all
these places.

475
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,800
There's a lot of rural area
where, you know, if it's not

476
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,640
owned by someone, it's it's
public land or whatever.

477
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:23,720
But there's so much of that
where it's not fields, it's not

478
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,720
neighborhoods, it's not cities,
right where things could hide

479
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,480
things could, you know, survive
and and exist.

480
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:36,240
And people really wouldn't have
any idea except for if they saw

481
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,320
them personally or they had some
trick cameras up, they were able

482
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,920
to trick the big feet.
And you talk to some Bigfoot or

483
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,040
Sasquatch sort of researchers,
they, they might say, hey, they

484
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,120
might be able to see in IR
unlike us.

485
00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:53,160
So they could see the lights on
those cameras and just shift

486
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,600
them to the side when they're
coming around a tree, just kind

487
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,440
of turn them around so they
can't see them, You know, if

488
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,000
they're that smart or that
intelligent, which is crazy to

489
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,320
me.
Yeah, we've, we've had a couple

490
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,520
experiences like that.
We've actually switched in when

491
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,520
we were doing the research up at
the Heiden adventure.

492
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,400
We actually switched from
triggered trail cameras to time

493
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,720
lapse.
So instead of waiting for

494
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,360
something to walk in front of
the camera, we just have the

495
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:25,120
camera take a picture every 5
minutes because you get about

496
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:27,800
the same odds of what are the
odds that a Bigfoot is going to

497
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,920
walk in front of your camera and
trigger that camera very slow.

498
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,360
I mean, at one point we had over
20 some cameras on the hidden

499
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:38,160
adventure property and obviously
we were getting some pictures

500
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,280
from Haydn.
But all the pictures that we got

501
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,480
of potentially Bigfoot at Haydn,
none of them were triggered by

502
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,280
the Bigfoot.
The original picture on the

503
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,600
property was triggered by a deer
back in 2012.

504
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,680
It was sniffing the stump and
this creature was just happened

505
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,120
to be in the background of the
picture.

506
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,160
Craig also got another picture
of one of these things that was

507
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,360
standing there, but it was
again, farther away from the

508
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,200
camera that something else, a
bird or a deer running past had

509
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:09,960
to trigger it.
Right.

510
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,800
So we've, we've set up multiple
different scenarios on the

511
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,800
property.
We've, we've created entire

512
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,320
perimeters so that one section
of the property, nothing could

513
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,800
enter or leave that area of the
property without being setting

514
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,160
off one of these things or
crossing a camera line.

515
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:32,080
And at one point we actually did
get one of these creatures on

516
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:39,280
our time lapse picture.
So the we had a thermal imaging

517
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,360
video camera set up aimed at the
very back of the property where

518
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,680
we think these things were
coming on and, and like watching

519
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,480
us.
And So what we, we started doing

520
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,760
is we would have two people sit
at base camp, which is kind of

521
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,960
the middle of this big open
field area.

522
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,480
And they would just sit there,
listen, no lights, no nothing.

523
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,640
And then the second group, which
would be myself and usually one

524
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,800
of our other team members or
something, would walk to the

525
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,800
back of the property and sit
back there until we felt like

526
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,600
something was there.
We get this, you know, weird

527
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,400
feeling of being watched or
something, right?

528
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,640
Like, OK, they're sure they're
interested in us.

529
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:18,400
So then we walk back past base
camp, around the property, all

530
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,040
the way out to the main road and
then back to basecamp.

531
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,440
And the goal of this was, is to
get whatever was back there that

532
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,680
was watching us to follow us
past basecamp and then basecamp

533
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,600
would have these interactions.
So this actually worked on

534
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,960
several occurrences and this is
how my mom actually saw one on

535
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,760
the property as it came up to
the basecamp area when she saw

536
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,760
it.
So this particular night, we

537
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,800
went and sat back in the the
weird area of the property until

538
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,400
we felt like we had three of
these things actually moving

539
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,840
around us.
And we stood up and we walked

540
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,000
out.
Well, we walked past base camp.

541
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,480
We got a little bit past base
camp, at which point Craig and

542
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,640
my mom were sitting there and
Craig heard one of these

543
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,640
creatures running through the
woods, bipedal thump, thump,

544
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,320
thump, thump, breaking branches
and stuff past base camp.

545
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,800
He jumped out of his chair, spun
around on the ground and like

546
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,720
started looking over there
because he literally thought

547
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,680
this thing was going to come
barreling out of the woods at

548
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,320
him.
So we're already past.

549
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,720
We're already out to the main
road stuff.

550
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,120
We come back.
Well, we went back and checked

551
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,040
our cameras and that and we had
that thermal video back there.

552
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,720
What we caught was what looks
like one of these things, Army

553
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:38,160
crawls across the woods down
there on thermal and it, you

554
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,640
know, it's like trying to duck
under the camera, bypass that.

555
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,800
And then what happens is when it
stands up past the camera, the

556
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,080
trail camera that we had back
there out in the little opening

557
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,960
snapped a picture of it.
So it just so happened that that

558
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,120
every 5 minutes snap that one
picture and it looks like the

559
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,280
typical like Patterson Gimlin
film with the one arm back, one

560
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,760
leg.
You know, I can't tell you which

561
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,240
way it was facing.
It's literally just this black

562
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:13,200
silhouette, about 6 foot 6 tall
standing against the tree line.

563
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,040
But it stands when you're
flipping through all these

564
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,840
thousands of pictures that it
took.

565
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,920
Yeah, this one picture just
stands out where there's this

566
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,680
black spot in it.
And you're like, what the heck

567
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,520
is that?
And you zoom in and it's the

568
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,840
clear silhouette of this
humanoid figure.

569
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:34,840
And so within 10 minutes of the
thermal video to the trail

570
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,040
camera picture being taken.
So whatever this creature was,

571
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,080
was probably the same creature.
Now, you know, honestly, the the

572
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,480
thermal doesn't have a time
stamp on it.

573
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,800
So I know exactly when it was,
but based on when we were back

574
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,680
there and the time stamps that
we can figure it was within 10

575
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,760
minutes of each other that the
two pieces were captured.

576
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,760
And then we have the audio of
this thing running through the

577
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,600
woods next to base camp.
So it's not that you have, you

578
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,240
know, one piece of evidence
that's going to prove that these

579
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,440
things exist or not.
It's when you have all these

580
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,520
things that layer on top of each
other and, and you can stack

581
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,000
that evidence and go, OK, well,
this happened, this happened,

582
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,000
this happened.
And that's not a deer, you know.

583
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,040
Right.
I mean, that's.

584
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,560
Somewhere I can see the thermal
footage right now?

585
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:22,520
It is on our YouTube channel.
It would be That's a hot 1 and

586
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,480
it is the finding heightened
Season 1.

587
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,400
Jeff.
I'm going to try.

588
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:36,680
That's the problem with gosh,
all these the evidence you have

589
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:41,000
through photography, through
videography, through hair

590
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,120
samples of things that were
people submitted to colleges and

591
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,120
they're like, oh, this isn't
anything that's known.

592
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,280
And every kind of like blows out
like, oh, whatever, you know,

593
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,200
we're, we're going to have to
recover a body.

594
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,480
It's not going to be through
video.

595
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,040
It's not going to be through
photograph.

596
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,120
It's not going to be through
hair samples or through

597
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,720
footprints or whatever it is,
you know, it's going to have to

598
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,680
be through a body.
And with as limited numbers as

599
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,800
they are, I mean, gosh, you
might as well find, I don't know

600
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,159
what is it a black rhino and
just shoot in the face and be

601
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:17,520
like, here it is, you know, and
that just definitely decrease

602
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,080
the population of the species.
You know, it's, it's very

603
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,679
unfortunate, but there is an
extreme amount of evidence out

604
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:30,480
there and it's, you know, I'm
glad there's people out there

605
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:35,159
that are at least doing, gosh,
I, I don't want to say it, but

606
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:39,080
like, you know, you get to like
the finding Bigfoot sort of like

607
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,440
researchers and stuff.
And they're out there making

608
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,719
calls and hooting and hollering
and all this sort of stuff.

609
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,360
Like, oh, didn't find anything.
You know, it's like, it's like,

610
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,960
yeah, well, maybe you should
shut up.

611
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,199
And just, you know, wait, you
know, hang out for a little bit,

612
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:55,320
you know, I, I like to hear that
there's actually some, some

613
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,960
research going on where people
are just kind of, you know, put

614
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,560
up the cameras, whatever it
takes, you know, and just kind

615
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:08,000
of seeing what happens.
Have you guys looked into not

616
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,320
necessarily baiting, but gift
giving?

617
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,160
Because we've heard that on this
show a lot that if you give

618
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,000
gifts, they sometimes give gifts
back, right?

619
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:19,720
Peanut butter.
We've done a lot of different.

620
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:22,000
Things better fruit of different
things, yeah.

621
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,920
Yeah, we've done, we've had
several different gifting sites.

622
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:32,480
We've actually lost a Hot Wheels
car recently out there that it

623
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,560
had been there for years and
years and years.

624
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,200
And we obviously, you know, we,
we took thermal or thermal sure

625
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,240
detector and stuff and went
around to look for this thing

626
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:44,560
and can't find it.
We did the peanut butter jars

627
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,400
originally.
We've done all kinds of

628
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:52,200
different things out there.
As far as just looking for these

629
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,400
things, Like I said, it's all
anybody that's interested you.

630
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,800
We have a whole book.
It's 10 years of research, it's

631
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:06,200
co-authored by myself and Yep.
Well.

632
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,680
Shameless.
Plug Find Bigfoot is heightened.

633
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,480
It is available on Amazon or our
website and then let.

634
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:14,360
Me.
You got a book.

635
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,680
I do.
OK.

636
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,400
Yeah, well, I'm buying it right
now.

637
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,160
Shameless bug.
Yep.

638
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:29,040
And yeah, so here's the the link
is in the comments section there

639
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,320
for the episode that I was
talking.

640
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,240
About awesome.
But yeah, we, we have the whole

641
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:38,160
series finding Hayden on our
YouTube channel that is

642
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,720
literally all 30 minute episodes
that document different aspects

643
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:43,800
of things that we've done up
there.

644
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,560
So we hung peanut butter jars up
on this teepee structure.

645
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,280
And the, the first one that we
did, we hung the peanut butter

646
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,080
jar up there.
And while I was hanging it, we

647
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,640
used paracord, right?
So it couldn't get cut, ripped

648
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,440
down or anything like that.
Well, while I'm stringing this

649
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,720
up from the neighbor's property,
we hear.

650
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,840
Yeah.
And I'm like, oh man, so I get a

651
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,840
little distracted by this and we
we sent a guy back to base camp

652
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,160
to get audio recorders ran out
there.

653
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,200
We actually recorded this.
And So what I ended up doing was

654
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,480
I tied a loop around the top lip
of the peanut butter jar.

655
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,760
So it was just kind of like
noosed up there.

656
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,560
So one month later we came back,
the peanut butter jar is

657
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,760
completely gone.
Just the noose is hanging there.

658
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,480
OK, so maybe an animal took it,
maybe a bear, whatever, but the

659
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,600
jar is gone.
Like it is nowhere in the

660
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,800
vicinity of the TP structure or
anything.

661
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,760
So we're like, OK, we're going
to hang another jar.

662
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,320
So this time we punched a hole
in the lip of the jar.

663
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,760
We strung the paracord through
this and we tied it off that

664
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:51,960
way.
So it's not going to slip out.

665
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,800
It's going to hang there.
It's, you know, paracord.

666
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:59,200
Nice tight, strong cord.
And about a month goes by again.

667
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,600
We come back up there to check
it gone again, completely gone.

668
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:08,520
The entire jar, no remnants of
it, no laying anywhere near it.

669
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,200
We searched the whole area on
the ground, you know, the the

670
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,160
grasses, everything.
It's not there.

671
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,920
And here's The thing is we do
have trail cameras on the time.

672
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,600
The first time we had one trail
camera set up on it and in one

673
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,400
picture, the peanut butter jar
is there.

674
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,760
The next one it's gone.
Don't know what happened.

675
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:31,520
The second time we had a video
and a still picture trail camera

676
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,160
up on the peanut butter jar.
Both of them, same thing, one

677
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,720
minute or one video picture,
it's there.

678
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:42,800
The next minute it's gone.
So the third time we said, OK, I

679
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,960
went online and I ordered like
those air tags, you know, so

680
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,040
that you can track your thing.
Yeah, Yeah.

681
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,960
So I electrical tape the crap
out of this tag onto the peanut

682
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:58,480
butter jar and it was not coming
off there again, strung up onto

683
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:03,560
the the teepee and this time we
got a series of pictures and

684
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:10,080
videos of squirrels coming and
eating the entire jar and the

685
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,640
jar is still there.
Nothing else.

686
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,600
Yeah, sure.
That's that's hilarious.

687
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,920
Here's the anecdotal part of
that, though, is OK, so we know

688
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,880
that the squirrels in, you know,
a couple weeks can empty an

689
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,080
entire jar of peanut butter.
OK, sure.

690
00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:30,200
So we know that these squirrels
did it.

691
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,280
So maybe they did it to the 1st
2:00.

692
00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:36,800
Well, the problem with that is
we didn't move the trail

693
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,720
cameras.
If these squirrels had emptied

694
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:43,840
the first two jars, we would
have got them on camera.

695
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:48,400
Yeah.
I mean, that's, that's logic,

696
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,520
that's science.
It's a repeatable thing we have.

697
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,120
I mean, like there's got to be
like 30-40 pictures of these

698
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,400
squirrels, plus the videos and
stuff.

699
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,480
There's tons of documentation of
what happened to the third jar.

700
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,360
It's, it's very clear.
It's not like 01 picture of the

701
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,400
squirrel doing it that we just
happened to capture.

702
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,760
You know, we have tons of
evidence of the third one being

703
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,240
empty.
So why don't we have that for

704
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:14,600
the 1st 2:00?
It's almost like the the

705
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,920
Sasquatch can sense in some
ways, which I'm sure many

706
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,120
animals can sense the
electromagnetic waves coming

707
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,320
from the air tag, right?
And they're like, I don't want

708
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,800
to get there.
You know, maybe it makes them

709
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,400
nauseous.
Maybe they can just sense it.

710
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,120
Like, yeah, maybe they're smart
enough to be like, Nope, not

711
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:36,400
going to do it.
Without getting too far into

712
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:41,600
your research locations, because
I don't want a bunch of people

713
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:46,160
just flooding in there and being
all crazy, how do you select

714
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,760
your research locations?
Like is it based off like the

715
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:53,320
BFRO and their reports or local
Wisconsin reports?

716
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,880
Or just like you just kind of
have a feeling like, yeah, it's

717
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,360
probably a good spot?
Like how do you select that?

718
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,720
So for the majority of the stuff
that we've done in Rhinelander,

719
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:09,280
WI, in Mountain, WI and those
areas that we've documented and

720
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,840
stuff on our YouTube channel and
that we've gotten reports come

721
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,520
in and we focused it on certain
locations over there.

722
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,600
There are a couple new locations
that we're working based on

723
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:24,600
stuff that we've narrowed it
down to, to say this area is

724
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,240
close between myself and another
researcher and we can both get

725
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,760
there pretty easily.
It has water, it has food, it

726
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,240
has everything that the other
locations where these creatures

727
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:36,960
are has.
So there's no reason why these

728
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,280
creatures shouldn't be there.
So we started looking into

729
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,120
locations like that as well and
following up with other citing

730
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,480
reports and stuff in the areas,
but for the most part,

731
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,360
everywhere is kind of just been
like reports and stuff that

732
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:57,200
we've gotten for the most part.
Do you ever dig deep into the

733
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,960
the woo type stuff?
Like if you hear like there's

734
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:04,040
portals opening up, like Jeremy
and I, I'm not going to disclose

735
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:11,960
the name, but we have a contact
here where he claims that

736
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,680
there's a portal that opens up
and aliens come out and also big

737
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,720
feet are present and stuff like
that.

738
00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:22,600
And we've wanted to camp out
there, which sounds dope,

739
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,360
honestly.
But do you do you follow leads

740
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,480
like that or is it more in the
the natural of, you know,

741
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,400
there's we saw this thing
drinking or we saw this thing

742
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,240
eating and things like that
versus we saw a portal open up

743
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:42,440
and the Bigfoot came out.
Like how do you judge through

744
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:48,040
your through the, I don't know,
sightings or whatever?

745
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:53,040
Which spot is a good spot to go
to versus what isn't, you know?

746
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,320
Yeah.
So we're cryptids, anomalies and

747
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,960
the Paranormal society.
We have over 10 people on our

748
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,320
team that are actively out there
working with us in that.

749
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,520
And each person on the team
specializes in our own area of

750
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:07,880
research.
Sure.

751
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,920
And what that does is allows us
to take those reports like

752
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,200
you're talking about and go, OK,
well, I don't know anything

753
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,760
about portals.
Well, they do.

754
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,640
So they say, OK, well, here's
the lore on this or or so on and

755
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,440
so forth.
And the interesting thing to

756
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:27,840
look at is when you take fairy
lore, you take UFO lore, you

757
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:32,560
take Bigfoot lore, and you strip
away the names and you know, the

758
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,200
stuff like that, the
colloquialisms, and you just

759
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,840
look at what's being discussed.
You find all these similarities

760
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,640
and when you look at that it, it
leads you to all these other

761
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:47,040
openings of saying, well, you
know this, you know the, the

762
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,680
kidnapping thing of fairy lore,
you know the that goes with

763
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,080
aliens, goes with Bigfoot.
It you, you start to see all

764
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,560
these patterns and stuff emerge.
So when you go out to these

765
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,640
areas, you have all this stuff
reported in these different

766
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,920
areas.
But The thing is, is just

767
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:09,600
because you're out there looking
for Bigfoot doesn't mean

768
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,800
everything's a Bigfoot.
So, right, if I had a guest on

769
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,760
my show, and I wish I could
remember who said this because I

770
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:22,400
quoted a lot, he said that a UFO
comes down from the sky over the

771
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,920
forest and a Bigfoot runs out of
the forest towards you.

772
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:26,880
Did the Bigfoot get out of the
UFO?

773
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,800
No, he doesn't want to be
abducted.

774
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,360
He's running from the same UFO.
Right?

775
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,000
So just because you have these
two phenomenon in the exact same

776
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,960
location, if you're out in the
woods and you see a glowing ball

777
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,920
of light, yeah, it could be
Bigfoot related, It absolutely

778
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,000
could, or it could be a
completely different phenomenon.

779
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,640
How many deer hunters have you
heard of going out in the woods

780
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,560
and seeing a Bigfoot?
Are they out there to hunt

781
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:51,800
Bigfoot?
No, they're out there to hunt

782
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,440
deer or bear or rabbit or
squirrel or whatever.

783
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,520
They're out there hunting and
all of a sudden now you're out

784
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,240
there and you see the something
else.

785
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,800
That's the same way.
On a more mundane level, you

786
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,920
cannot associate a portal with a
Bigfoot just because there's a

787
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,520
portal there.
Sure, I like the way you think,

788
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:10,680
man.
I like that I.

789
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,280
Like that a lot.
What we have done.

790
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,960
Like I said, Burlington Woods,
the reason why we started off

791
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,280
there is because literally
everything is being reported

792
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,760
there.
There's portals, there's a

793
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,320
shamanic burial site there.
It's a Serpent mound.

794
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,160
It has ferry activity.
We've had Bigfoot activity.

795
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,560
We've seen UFOs over this
forest.

796
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,320
Why is it all there?
I don't know.

797
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,200
And that's exactly why we spent
so much time down there

798
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,360
researching this.
And I mean, we're not any closer

799
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,520
to answers than we were when we
started, but we've been able to

800
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,320
document a lot of this stuff and
go, OK, it actually is here.

801
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:50,720
We've had a you go ahead.
Well, I was going to say, and

802
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:52,080
that's an important step.
Yeah.

803
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,480
You know, I mean documentation,
because without that, it's just

804
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,720
hearsay, which is, you know,
anybody and their mother could

805
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:01,240
make some BS up.
It's when it's actually

806
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:05,200
documented that it actually
shows anything.

807
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,000
Right.
Well, obviously, yeah.

808
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,040
And that's science.
And, and we were able to to

809
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,120
bring that science.
I'm very science, very show me

810
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,800
when we when we put out our our
documentaries and stuff on our

811
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,880
YouTube channel and our our
evidence in that.

812
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,800
I go over this stuff and if
there's any chance that it's,

813
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,400
you know, like something
mundane, I'll just throw it out

814
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,080
because I'm not I'm not there
and I'm not here to tell you

815
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,960
that the evidence that I
captured was of a Bigfoot unless

816
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,080
I legitimately have a video of a
Bigfoot right there that you can

817
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,520
see it.
I don't know what these

818
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,200
footprints are.
I don't know what caused that

819
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:39,520
branch crack.
I don't know what made this

820
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:44,040
audio right.
This is out there.

821
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,120
We documented it.
This is what happened.

822
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,560
You make up your mind.
Do I think that that's what it

823
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,920
is?
Yes, you know, because of this,

824
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,800
this, this, this, this, but
that's, that's my opinion

825
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,240
because I was there, you weren't
there, the other person wasn't

826
00:46:57,240 --> 00:46:59,760
there.
Nobody else can tell me what I

827
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,000
saw, what we experienced, what
all else happened that day that

828
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,400
led up to those thoughts or
feelings or whatever that we're

829
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,280
implying to this.
Now again, with that, we've gone

830
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,760
out and we've done documentation
and experiments in this area to

831
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:19,000
say, OK, well the Burlington
Woods, again for an example, is

832
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,160
got this massive high energy
power line that runs over the

833
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,720
top of it.
So with high EMF, you have the

834
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:29,760
opportunity to hallucinate, to
see things, to get this feeling

835
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,280
of being watched and all of this
things.

836
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:37,120
So one of the experiments that
we did was we thought, OK, well,

837
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,640
a lot of these people are
reporting stuff towards night,

838
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,800
towards dusk or at night.
Well, what happens when, you

839
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,560
know, the sun goes down,
everyone starts coming home,

840
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,320
they turn on their lights, they
turn on their TV's and they're

841
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,840
sucking more power.
So that means that these power

842
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,800
lines should be carrying more
power back and forth.

843
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:00,040
So we actually went through the
woods three times and we took

844
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,280
different levels of EMF through
the entire forest underneath the

845
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,040
power lines, different areas and
stuff.

846
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:10,680
And we documented the times, the
locations and the the EMF levels

847
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,640
of each of these locations to
see if that caused the

848
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,280
difference.
And throughout the entire day,

849
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,800
night, afternoon, the three
times that we did it, all these

850
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,920
levels were the exact same.
So whatever's causing this is,

851
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,840
is not a fluctuation in energy.
So stuff like that is the IT.

852
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,560
Is a base level.
Yeah, yeah.

853
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,080
It's it's just.
That's pretty cool.

854
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,880
Jeremy, have you told him your
Bigfoot experience?

855
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,520
I don't remember if we talked
about it or not or if we stopped

856
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,840
just Homewood, I'm not sure.
I want to branch off into other

857
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,960
things because we're not
exclusively a Bigfoot podcast,

858
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:46,200
right?
Before we derail, you know if

859
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,880
you want to share it with him.
I have heard it on my show.

860
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,640
I don't if you just want to
briefly remind me or whatever,

861
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,040
but I remember we have talked
about it so.

862
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,400
No, we're, we're good.
The the listeners have heard

863
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,600
that.
OK, so so yeah, so we're not

864
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,680
exclusively a Bigfoot or
cryptozoology in in general

865
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,600
podcasts, we try to cover
everything, right.

866
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,160
We used to have a guy on the
show that was really big into

867
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,200
the the occult.
And so he was the guy that

868
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,400
would, you know, brief us on
things like that and topics like

869
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,960
that.
We got Jeff here who's really

870
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:26,200
big into conspiracies.
Jeremy's more of like the all

871
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,160
around science sort of guy.
I'm the I'm the look through

872
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,800
everything through the lens of
the Bible sort of guy, but we

873
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,120
try to cover a bunch of topics.
But you were talking about there

874
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:44,760
seeing UFOs, right?
And so can you give us some cool

875
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,920
examples of, of good UFO
sightings that you and your you

876
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,360
or you and your team has has
seen?

877
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,240
So one of the members on our
team used to be on our team.

878
00:49:55,240 --> 00:50:00,240
We did A2 part episode of UFOs
in Wisconsin and we basically

879
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,800
went around, we talked to some
witnesses and just kind of did

880
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,000
some of that.
But then we also did some CE 5,

881
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,680
which is trying to draw them in.
Sure.

882
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,160
So that's that's kind of where
the episode went.

883
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:17,160
Now I, I'm not big into the UF
OS because I feel like, you

884
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:21,040
know, with Bigfoot, if somebody
sees a Bigfoot going back to the

885
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,080
flesh and blood thought that
nothing is probably within the

886
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,000
woods within 20 miles of it,
right.

887
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:28,840
So if you see it yesterday, it's
probably still pretty close.

888
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,240
If you see a UFO yesterday, it's
gone.

889
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:35,360
Like, yeah, the chances of it
coming back or parking in your

890
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,360
backyard again or hovering over
your house, it's just not going

891
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,720
to be there.
So aside from putting a pin on a

892
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:43,560
map, what can I do about this?
So we looked at it from the

893
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,440
other aspect of trying to go out
and do the CE5 and draw one in.

894
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,320
So that's that's kind of where
we went with our episode of

895
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,600
this.
And to that effect, we set up

896
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,920
ACE 5 in Neenah, WI and we
allowed the whole public to come

897
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:02,280
and do it.
And we set up flight tracker, we

898
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:07,160
set up star charts, we set up
satellite charts and all this

899
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:08,280
stuff.
So we had all these on the

900
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,080
table.
So anything that was spotted in

901
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,120
the sky, we know exactly what it
was.

902
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,640
And we actually did have one
anomaly that night that we

903
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,320
weren't able to pinpoint to
anything else.

904
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,560
I mean, it's a, it's a random
light in the sky that flew over

905
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,240
us and we have no idea what it
was, but that's not too

906
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:26,440
exciting.
But it happened.

907
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,720
I mean, that's, that's science.
That's what you're looking for.

908
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:32,360
You know, you want a sighting of
something anomalous and and

909
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,320
that's what it was.
Now more weird.

910
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,200
One of my members of the team
actually saw a full saucer over

911
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,440
the city of Neenah, which is why
we use that as a kind of jumping

912
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:47,520
board to use Nina as our thing.
Myself and my mom were driving

913
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,400
from Lower Michigan to Upper
Michigan, crossing the the

914
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:57,880
bridge there by St.
Ignace, and we saw a weird

915
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,680
silver object in the sky that
just disappeared.

916
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,320
And the probably the biggest
thing that I've saw is I

917
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:11,760
actually saw what looked like a
circular edge of a disc lit up

918
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:16,960
with lights in Appleton.
I was driving to work one day at

919
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,120
night and this thing was
hovering right over like an

920
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,560
apartment building.
I didn't see the craft itself,

921
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:28,600
but there was just a string of
lights and it was like 100 to

922
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,200
200 feet above ground.
So it wasn't a plane, it wasn't

923
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,480
power lines, it wasn't anything
there because it it, it isn't

924
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,000
there anymore.
Obviously I've looked forward

925
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,560
every time that I drive by, it's
not there.

926
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,960
And I, I went down to the next
exit and I turned around to come

927
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,400
back and it was gone.
So I still have no idea what the

928
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,840
heck that thing was.
But that was probably my most

929
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,320
clear UFO sighting.
Was that one.

930
00:52:54,440 --> 00:53:01,240
That's awesome, Barnaby, my my
wife in the chat Woens told me

931
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:04,720
to send you so I sent you
through your Facebook.

932
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:11,040
I hope that's actually you.
The video when I it's probably

933
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:16,080
it was probably 2014.
I was at Naval Air Station

934
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:21,520
Oceana, Virginia, and it's a jet
squadron or jets base, right?

935
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,160
So it's all F eighteens and no
helicopters.

936
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:29,680
And we had a UFO sighting.
It was me and a bunch of buddies

937
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,640
out in the smoke pit.
So it was basically a like a

938
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,320
pergola out in the middle of the
grass, right?

939
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:38,880
We're grilling out and
everything.

940
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,960
And me and about 30 people saw
this thing coming down and I was

941
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,640
the only one that pulled out my
phone to record it.

942
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:48,160
So, you know, check it out, you
know, there's plenty of things.

943
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:53,680
I, I think it could have been,
it could have been skydivers and

944
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,800
stuff.
But the problem is, is that

945
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,600
because we were a jet squadron
and we had night OPS going on,

946
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,760
the likelihood of having a
helicopter flying over and

947
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:08,440
dumping out spec OPS use
skydiving missions is very slim

948
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,200
because they could get smacked
by a jet.

949
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:16,200
So versus when I was in Norfolk,
VA, which was a helicopter,

950
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,440
mostly squadron, and it was very
rare to get an F18 where we'd

951
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,200
have night OPS like that all the
time.

952
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,600
So check it out, you know, but
Whitney wanted me to, to, to

953
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,080
share that with you just to have
a have a look, see.

954
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,360
But yeah, it was, it's pretty
cool.

955
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,800
Yeah.
No, dude, that's, that's dope.

956
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:38,640
Your experiences with F, with UF
OS or UA PS You know, it's just,

957
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:50,160
gosh, I think I, I really hope
that as you know, I'm not super

958
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,000
big into this administration or
that administration.

959
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,600
I think they're kind of two
sides of the same coin, right?

960
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,680
But I really hope we get some
Dang good answers as far as this

961
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:04,120
administration goes in the
United States as to see what

962
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,720
these things are.
You know, what is all going on

963
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,480
Being prior military, I did 13
years in the Navy.

964
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,080
I understand, you know, having
to keep secrets, right?

965
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,480
We don't want our enemies to
under to know what we're working

966
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,600
on, right?
If we have a a craft that can

967
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:28,640
break Mach 10 and do a 90�� turn
at, you know, 1000 miles an

968
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,360
hour, we don't want that
technology falling to our

969
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,120
enemy's hands.
And I and I feel that, but the

970
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,560
same time I feel like we need at
least some kind of an

971
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,240
explanation on all the crap
that's been going on.

972
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:45,000
And I really hope that, you
know, it's tough for me.

973
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,880
My mom was in the Navy and she
did top secret stuff.

974
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,000
She doesn't even have
fingerprints anymore, which is

975
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,560
interesting.
But she did top secret stuff in

976
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,120
Southern California.
And she said, you know, like the

977
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,160
F35.
I was like, all right, cool.

978
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:04,520
You know, vertical takeoff, you
know, jet, right?

979
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,440
And I was like, yeah, sure.
Whatever she's like that's

980
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,520
probably been in production for
40 years because they need to

981
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:17,080
know if we make a 90 degree 90��
turn at, you know, 600 miles an

982
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,680
hour, is it going to rupture the
airframe and cause the pilot to

983
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,560
get ejected out into space and
all this sort of stuff right

984
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:25,160
then, you know, these sorts of
things.

985
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,200
So it's probably been in
production for a very, very long

986
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,480
time.
And that's what we might be

987
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,600
seeing with some of these Uaps
or UFOs and things like that,

988
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,360
you know, these drones that can
do things that we know for a

989
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:41,480
fact there's no way the human
body can sustain that sort of

990
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,800
level of GS.
You get turned into scrambled

991
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:48,360
eggs or hamburger meat, but but
you know, for drone technology,

992
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:54,480
we know it's way more advanced
than probably the you know, 4

993
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,680
propeller helicopters are flying
around right type stuff.

994
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:02,120
But where did that start?
And hopefully we'll get some

995
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,800
sort of answers as far as some
of the UFO sights we've seen,

996
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:10,680
whether it's the tier 3B, it's a
triangle shaped UAP that has

997
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,240
lights all around it and three
lights at the bottom right type

998
00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:15,600
stuff.
Is that is that from out of this

999
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,120
world?
Is that from another country?

1000
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,280
Is that from our own military
technology?

1001
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,120
You know, what is that?
So hopefully we'll be getting

1002
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:23,880
some of that.
But yeah, that's, that's dope.

1003
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,240
I've I, I recorded for these
guys.

1004
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,960
I didn't post, no.
I did post it on the group for

1005
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,720
infant rabbit hole but it was a
drone that was flying over us.

1006
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,440
Me and my wife were driving home
from work.

1007
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:41,080
We got like an hour drive to and
from work and I was like it's

1008
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,760
not a helicopter because there's
no light at the bottom.

1009
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,680
Not searching for anybody.
The crash lights are weird and

1010
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,000
it's just staying there.
And so we get closer and closer,

1011
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,440
closer.
Finally she tells me to pull

1012
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,000
over because I'm like, look at
it.

1013
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:54,760
She's like, you're going to,
you're going to get us in the

1014
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,760
head on collision.
So I pull over and I film it and

1015
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,640
it's it's weird, dude.
It's like, it's like a, it's

1016
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:06,280
like a diamond or whatever, but
it's, it's on both sides.

1017
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:07,480
It's not.
Like gang signs?

1018
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,160
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
Shit.

1019
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:16,520
But yeah, I know it's weird and
I've seen a UF O / a mountain.

1020
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,200
It was just silver and it was
just sitting there.

1021
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,200
And I told Jeremy when I was
driving past it, I was like, I

1022
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,880
think I'm sending a UFO And it's
right next to a military base.

1023
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:26,880
You know, it's right next to
Southern California.

1024
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,320
We had a, a rail cannon right
type stuff.

1025
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,600
We had some crazy stuff there in
on my last base.

1026
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,520
But you know, hopefully we'll
get some answers.

1027
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:44,400
I, I, I don't know, I don't
believe in UFOs the way that

1028
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,080
other people see UFOs.
It's, I don't think they're from

1029
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,520
out of the Earth, right?
I don't I don't know why we

1030
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:57,040
would be able to travel millions
of light years and still need

1031
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:01,240
landing lights.
So here's here's, here's, here's

1032
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,560
the thing, man, right?
The, the external lights.

1033
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,280
I, I think that we're looking at
that.

1034
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,440
We're putting a human filter on
that right?

1035
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,440
We're, we're applying a human
meaning to it when it it could

1036
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:16,400
mean multiple different things.
We're just, we're applying what

1037
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,800
we as humans would look at that
and say that's landing lights,

1038
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,680
but it could mean whatever it
means to it.

1039
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:23,520
Could be anything else.
It could be a type of

1040
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,400
camouflage.
It it could be, it could be

1041
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,480
right.
It could be anything but

1042
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,000
recently right.
And I'm probably going to catch

1043
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,000
some Flack from this, but I'm,
I'm halfway through Lou

1044
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:40,160
Elizondo's book right Imminent.
And I have heard so many

1045
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,040
negative things about this guy's
book.

1046
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:47,160
But let me tell you one thing.
This guy's book is so packed

1047
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:52,240
full of the most densest content
that I've, I think I've ever

1048
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:53,400
read.
Like, I've been reading this

1049
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,800
thing for over a month now.
And I'm, I, I blow through

1050
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,480
books.
I blow through them super fast.

1051
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,800
I just got done with a, a
section that directly relates to

1052
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:06,920
what you're talking about right
now.

1053
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:11,840
And it's called the Observables.
And he specifically talks about

1054
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:17,080
these five observable facts that
you can make by looking at UAP

1055
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:22,160
and specifically from the point
of view of pilots or people who

1056
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:26,440
are are knowledgeable from the
point of view of engineers or

1057
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,920
people who are, are surely
knowledgeable about flight

1058
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,520
mechanics.
One, OK, these things move

1059
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,520
extremely fast, right?
We know this.

1060
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:39,360
They move up to 13,000 mph,
which is 17 mock, not just 10,

1061
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,000
right?
They have gone up to 17 mock.

1062
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:45,040
They've been clocked multiple
times, it going up to 17 mock

1063
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:49,120
and slightly beyond.
Not only do they go 17 Mach, but

1064
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,120
they are also multi domain,
meaning that they go from space

1065
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:57,160
to the atmosphere of Earth to
water back out, back into space,

1066
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,480
back into the atmosphere, earth
back into the water.

1067
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,240
Never even decelerating or even
making a splash in the water

1068
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,240
whatsoever.
Like they don't make.

1069
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,160
They don't.
They don't disrupt the water.

1070
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:14,160
When they enter the water at
13,000 mph, they don't make a

1071
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,480
splash, they don't stop, they
don't decelerate.

1072
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,640
They they stop all of a sudden
and then they accelerate right

1073
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:28,880
to 13,000 mph immediately.
That's unheard of.

1074
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,240
That's incredible.
There's no human technology that

1075
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,520
can come anywhere near that.
Even if it's a drone, the

1076
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:38,160
materials that we have that we
have access to can't do that.

1077
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:44,280
It's as if gravity doesn't
affect these things when we

1078
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:50,200
break the sound barrier, which
is at one GS11G force, which is

1079
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,920
the OR I'm sorry, one mock,
right?

1080
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,920
One mock is the sound barrier
for us.

1081
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:03,240
And that is at sea level at, at
standard weather or normal

1082
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:08,080
weather, 600 something mph,
right?

1083
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:12,800
When that happens, the
vibrations of the aircraft

1084
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,040
create vibrations in the, the
air molecules around it, which

1085
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:21,240
create the cone, the, the sound.
And it, it, it looks like a bow

1086
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:25,160
wave coming off of the, the
stern of a, of a ship, right?

1087
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,440
And basically what happens is
these, these air molecules,

1088
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,520
because the, the craft is moving
faster than the speed of sound,

1089
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,680
these sound waves can't move
away from the object fast

1090
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:40,160
enough.
So they pile up on top of each

1091
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:45,480
other and literally force upon
each other to create a bulk,

1092
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:50,040
which takes the form of a wave.
And they create that V, that

1093
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,560
famous V, just like the bow wave
of, you know, like a ship in

1094
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,840
water.
And when that bow wave passes an

1095
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:01,840
object that can observe it like
we can with our ears, it creates

1096
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:06,280
a a boom which we we interpret
or we call a Sonic boom.

1097
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:12,600
That does not happen with UAP.
They do not create a Sonic boom

1098
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,800
when they pass one mock.
They do not create a Sonic boom

1099
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:20,120
when they crack, when they pass
234 all the way up to 17 mock,

1100
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:24,000
they do not create a Sonic boom
no matter what.

1101
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,840
So they do not do that.
They do not create heat

1102
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:30,080
inhalation.
They do not 'cause ionization,

1103
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,800
they do not create static
charge, they do not create any

1104
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,440
of that.
Nothing like when we watch it

1105
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,240
with infrared or watch it with
sonar, radar, whatever.

1106
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:42,040
We, they do not pick up any
signatures whatsoever from these

1107
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,720
craft.
There's nothing there that tells

1108
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,560
you that this thing is even an
object other than that it is

1109
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,800
looks solid.
There's no exhaust, there's no

1110
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,520
nothing.
There is literally no signature

1111
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,240
to this these objects
whatsoever.

1112
01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:00,440
I mean, these things are cold.
Then could it be a hologram?

1113
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,160
It could be.
It very well could be.

1114
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:05,960
But then you go.
But hold on.

1115
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,040
But then you go back to the like
we talked about before, like the

1116
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:14,960
Bob Lazar whistleblow from 1989,
right when you talk about

1117
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,560
element 1151 or 1:15 or
whatever.

1118
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,720
It was right.
When you said that this they use

1119
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:24,600
that that this specific element
to help displace gravity around

1120
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:29,440
the the the UFO and that they
were reverse engineering and

1121
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:33,040
they discovered that this
element 115 was used to displace

1122
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:41,000
gravitational the forces around
the the craft itself, creating a

1123
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:45,400
self vacuum bubble sort of
similar like a like a.

1124
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,400
The thing?
Yeah, sort.

1125
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:57,720
Sort of like a bubble of outer
space literally surrounding the

1126
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:58,760
craft.
So.

1127
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,600
That there.
Is no resistance whatsoever as

1128
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:05,240
this thing is floating through
space or as it is going through

1129
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,120
our atmosphere as it is going
through the water, as it is

1130
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:12,360
entering the water.
So it is removing all matter as

1131
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,560
it is moving simultaneously
through.

1132
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,080
That's the only technology that
could even make this happen.

1133
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,800
We don't have access to that and
we're far away from that shit.

1134
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:24,000
Unless Bob Lazar was correct.
And then you have, you know, you

1135
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,600
have the buck.
What's his name?

1136
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:31,440
The, the, the guy who blew up
the, the, the, the, the Tesla

1137
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:36,960
truck in Las Vegas.
Who, who sent the, the e-mail to

1138
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:42,160
Sam Shumake, who ended up going
on to Homeboys.

1139
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:44,880
Yeah, Homeboys podcast.
Yeah.

1140
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,120
And he was talking about anti
gravitical technologies.

1141
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:52,320
And then you had the, I think it
was Sam Barber.

1142
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:53,400
Great.
Was that his name?

1143
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:57,360
Jake Barber.
That went on to Newsweek and he

1144
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:00,400
was talking about his, the crash
retrieval and he was also

1145
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,360
talking about anti gravitical
technologies and stuff.

1146
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:05,120
I mean, we're starting to see a
theme here.

1147
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:09,680
Anti gravity, something about
gravitational replacement

1148
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,600
technologies.
Louise Elizondo is talking about

1149
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,040
it.
Everyone's talking about this.

1150
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:16,320
That's the only way that you can
make this happen.

1151
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:21,600
So I guess my question to you
then, is it impossible for us to

1152
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:25,080
have the technology or are we
not preview to this sort of

1153
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,800
technology?
I think, I think that it's a

1154
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:29,840
good chance we have it.
I think it's a good chance that

1155
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,160
we have.
We have it and then we're

1156
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,240
working to reverse engineer it.
But I think that if we had it,

1157
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,640
we would have already used it
against our adversaries because

1158
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:41,800
I think that if we have this,
that there's no way that we

1159
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:45,520
don't use it because it's an,
it's almost an instant checkmate

1160
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,680
because we can, we can literally
deliver a payload to anywhere

1161
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:55,360
in, in this world almost
instantaneously without any, any

1162
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,320
payback.
I mean, we could literally

1163
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,400
deliver a payload anywhere
without any repercussions

1164
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,640
because nobody would be would be
able to know that we did it.

1165
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:09,600
I think that maybe we do, but
the limiting factor is morality.

1166
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,440
You're saying that the US
government has?

1167
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,360
Morality.
No, I'm not saying the

1168
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,080
government has morality.
I'm saying the individuals have

1169
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:24,520
morality.
Yes, we could new Russia into a

1170
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:28,760
parking lot, but maybe the
person has morality and just

1171
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,320
saying that, well, it's
literally Putin that's the

1172
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:38,760
problem, not all of Russia.
So I I think it might because I

1173
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:40,800
mean.
Look, it's also a Cold War

1174
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:44,560
because if you're saying that we
have this technology, any other

1175
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:48,400
government that's done UFO UAP
research has also got that same

1176
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,240
technology and has been able to
back engineer it just as well as

1177
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,600
we have.
We've all gotten it about the

1178
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:55,280
same time.
We've all been in the game the

1179
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,240
same time.
How do you know, you know what's

1180
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,840
going back to, you know what you
said about hiding the

1181
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:01,760
intelligence?
You don't want your adversaries

1182
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,080
to know what you have.
And we all have that finger

1183
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,520
hovering above the button.
And until you drop that, you

1184
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:11,480
know, whatever and say, OK, we
have this technology.

1185
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,440
Now all of a sudden every other
country around the world that

1186
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,760
has been studying this and has
the same technology, we're

1187
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:19,880
afraid of what's going to happen
when that happens.

1188
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:21,640
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

1189
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:25,680
Then you have what, what's that?
What's that term that they that

1190
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:29,880
they used in?
Nuclear destruction.

1191
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,240
Assured Assured Destruction?
Exactly.

1192
01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:36,319
Yeah.
So basically the idea is, is

1193
01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:40,840
that if a foreign entity attacks
us, we will launch everything

1194
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:45,000
that we have at them to ensure
they're in total annihilation.

1195
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:54,880
Because most of our ICBM's or
our S IBM's right sub

1196
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:58,120
intercontinent continental
ballistic missiles, they're

1197
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:02,240
tracked and they're able to find
where they're at, not maybe the

1198
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,279
Subs, but the ICBM's because
they're all over the Midwest.

1199
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:09,359
So if we get attacked, say by
Russia in a nuclear force, we're

1200
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:12,520
going to attack them with
everything that we have because

1201
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,200
it's better to do that than to
do a couple nukes and allow the

1202
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,040
rest of them to be destroyed by
incoming fire.

1203
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:24,080
So it's a mutually sure
destruction clause that the

1204
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:29,080
president has in the football.
So if we get attacked right, so.

1205
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:31,240
I don't know if you ever Have
you ever heard of a great?

1206
01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:32,840
Have you ever heard of a Great
Filter?

1207
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:35,800
No.
So there's a, there's a

1208
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:41,080
theoretical filter that's
applied to, to civilizations

1209
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:46,399
throughout the Galaxy, right
where it's, it's basically like

1210
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:49,200
a kill switch, right?
Where when a, when a, when a

1211
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:54,680
civilization hits this filter,
basically it's a technological

1212
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:58,080
thing, whenever they hit the
filter that they're done, right?

1213
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,040
When you give them too much
power or you give them a certain

1214
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:04,440
technology, they end up killing
themselves.

1215
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,200
Nuclear power was supposed to be
one of those filters.

1216
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:12,640
Antigravitical power could be
technically one of those

1217
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:19,800
filters.
AI you know self-sustaining AI

1218
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,200
is supposed to be one of those
filters, right?

1219
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:23,960
I mean, fuck, what was that
movie?

1220
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:28,360
Terminator was is is a movie
literally based around one of

1221
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:32,200
those filters.
When when AI literally becomes

1222
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:37,360
self sustainable and doesn't no
longer needs human beings and

1223
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:41,640
just kills off all the biologics
and becomes self sustainable,

1224
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:45,720
just gets rid of us.
That's that's a great filter

1225
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:53,440
that could be an answer to this.
These things that we see could

1226
01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:55,880
be the remnants of a great
filter.

1227
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:03,640
These could be AI from a
civilization that is no longer

1228
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,400
around.
See, I find no evidence for that

1229
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:09,120
at all, man.
There is there's no evidence

1230
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:10,640
for.
I would love for that to be the

1231
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:12,480
case.
Just the idea that there has

1232
01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:18,400
been other civilizations or is
right I'm the space is fake guy

1233
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,120
but at the same time like I
would love for there to be some

1234
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:23,760
Star Wars shit happening right?
I'm there for it.

1235
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:27,800
But I think what everybody
always forgets is like we talk

1236
01:11:27,800 --> 01:11:31,800
about like this shit, like this
cold, new Cold War, right?

1237
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,280
Like we have this technology.
They must have the technology or

1238
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:37,520
whatever the case might be.
We got to remember, man, like

1239
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:43,200
this whole like nation state,
like war, like all this type of

1240
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,120
stuff.
This geopolitical theater is

1241
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:47,840
just that.
It's just theater, right?

1242
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:52,920
And you can, you basically know
this because like we all get

1243
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:57,280
along in Antarctica and we all
get along on the space station.

1244
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:01,640
Everything's cool on the space
station in Antarctica, yet

1245
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:03,880
everywhere else it's World War
Three.

1246
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:06,200
World War 3 is always about to
fucking start, right?

1247
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,640
And there's these mutually
assured destruction, you know,

1248
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:11,880
technologies that were just
pointing at each other all the

1249
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:13,960
fucking time.
I don't buy it for a second,

1250
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,440
dude.
I think that there's another

1251
01:12:16,440 --> 01:12:20,480
layer above the theater, right?
Call it the shadow government,

1252
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:23,200
call it the Illuminati, call it
whatever you want to call it,

1253
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:27,280
but there has to be another
layer above the thing that we

1254
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:30,160
all see.
And that layer probably has

1255
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:34,040
access to these technologies.
And also two things can be true

1256
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:37,360
at the same time.
There's almost, in my opinion,

1257
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:41,000
there's almost definitely this
shadow government with UAP

1258
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,680
technology.
And they've utilized this UAP

1259
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,920
technology for blackmail
purposes, for, you know,

1260
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:50,560
threatening world leaders to
keep them in check in theater,

1261
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:54,880
right, to keep the play moving.
So if you don't play along, we

1262
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:58,360
show up and we do some spooky,
my lab shit, military abduction

1263
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,160
shit, you know, weird stuff like
that.

1264
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:04,880
But also at the same time, I
think some of the phenomenon

1265
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:08,440
that we've always seen forever,
all of human history, it's the

1266
01:13:08,440 --> 01:13:10,920
gods, man.
Like, again, call it what you

1267
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:15,720
want, interdimensionals, demonic
entities, the gods, right?

1268
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,400
Like this, there's some other
thing that's happening that's

1269
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:22,760
probably tied to the spirit
world or some interdimensional

1270
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:26,720
realm that we can't really feel.
This is why these objects can go

1271
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:30,440
into the water with no splash
and not create Sonic booms and

1272
01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:32,720
so on and so forth, because
they're not physically in this

1273
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,280
space.
We're just catching glimpses of

1274
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,720
them somehow.
All right, So I think both of

1275
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:39,760
those things are true.
There are technologies that

1276
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:43,560
higher up than the theater has,
and then I think there's also

1277
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:45,560
like a spiritual level to it as
well.

1278
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:47,400
All right, Jeff.
Jeremy, shut up.

1279
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:53,040
I want to hear from Barney.
He's our guest, so.

1280
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:56,320
It was literally the first time
Jeff talked the entire show and

1281
01:13:56,320 --> 01:14:00,040
you said.
It's the only thing you know

1282
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:01,720
that talk about.
But he's going to shut up now.

1283
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:05,560
Now if you want to respond him,
go ahead.

1284
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,200
I I, I don't know, I'm just
listening.

1285
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:11,880
I mean, like I, I said my piece,
I think that, you know, like I

1286
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:13,680
think they all have the, the
power to that.

1287
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:17,600
I think that, you know, the, you
talked about the transmedium

1288
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,320
travel.
You know, Jake Barber talks

1289
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,880
about that as well.
You look at that on Skinwalker

1290
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:25,880
Ranch, you listen to Jake
Barber's testimony, you look at

1291
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:27,760
the stuff that they're getting
on Skinwalker Ranch where

1292
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,680
they're supposedly watching this
thing go into the Mesa and come

1293
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,080
out of the Mesa.
Well, in Jake Barber's full

1294
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:35,920
interview with Newsweek, he
talks about the same phenomenon.

1295
01:14:36,440 --> 01:14:38,160
And I think that's very
interesting.

1296
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:44,960
I do a whole presentation on the
science of the paranormal, and

1297
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:48,200
in that presentation I talk
about the electromagnetic

1298
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,880
spectrum all the way from the
radio waves up through visual

1299
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:52,480
light, and then the radioactive
stuff.

1300
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,400
And what you find with these
particles when you get up into

1301
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:59,200
the radioactive spectrum and the
higher frequencies in that is

1302
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:01,400
these particles are able to pass
through things.

1303
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:05,640
So again, all this stuff is
going on around us that we're

1304
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:09,880
not able to see.
It's not in our visual spectrum.

1305
01:15:10,440 --> 01:15:14,480
And what's happening is these
objects, these UFOs, these

1306
01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:19,000
whatever, when they're coming
down in frequency to our level,

1307
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,160
this is when we're able to see
them and interact with them.

1308
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:26,840
And this is also why you get
these radioactive side effects

1309
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:30,160
from it.
People that have seen like in

1310
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:32,960
the Skinwalkers of the Pentagon
book, they talk about a lot of

1311
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:37,080
people have been Skinwalker
Ranch and taking things home

1312
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:38,840
with them.
You know, the the hitchhiker

1313
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:42,160
effect and have seen these orbs
or balls of light.

1314
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:46,080
And I love that book, that one
and Lou Elizondo that you said

1315
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,560
earlier and then Hunt for the
Skinwalker as well.

1316
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:52,040
Those are three required reading
if you're into any of this

1317
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:54,160
stuff.
But they talk about the

1318
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:55,560
hitchhiker effect.
There you go.

1319
01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:00,720
And this radioactive side effect
to it.

1320
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,120
Well, if they're getting this
radioactive side effect, that

1321
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:06,440
explains a lot of these
transmedium things that you're

1322
01:16:06,440 --> 01:16:09,080
experiencing.
Because you know, look at look

1323
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,960
at your your X-rays.
When you get up to the higher

1324
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,560
levels of your frequencies, you
have the visual light spectrum

1325
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:18,240
and then the infrared light, the
ultraviolet light, and then you

1326
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:21,360
have the X-rays.
Well, X-rays are what we use to

1327
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,960
literally X-ray our bodies.
And then you have the gamma rays

1328
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:28,200
and the other radioactive rays
that allow you to penetrate.

1329
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:31,280
Into the Hulk, yeah.
Everything you know from walls

1330
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,840
and stuff like that.
This also explains how, you

1331
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,400
know, you hear people talking
about these interdimensional or

1332
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,960
extraterrestrial beings coming
through walls into their

1333
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:42,200
bedrooms at night and stuff, or
being able to levitate these

1334
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:44,280
people through walls and take
them places.

1335
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,440
Because if they're able to raise
that vibrational frequency,

1336
01:16:47,440 --> 01:16:51,240
you're able to pass through
different substrates, different

1337
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:54,440
levels, different molecules and
stuff with that higher

1338
01:16:54,440 --> 01:16:56,360
frequency.
So when you look at this at a

1339
01:16:56,360 --> 01:17:01,280
scientific level, this all
starts to make sense that, you

1340
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,720
know, it doesn't have to be
extraterrestrials, it doesn't

1341
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:07,160
have to be interdimensional,
whatever it it puts it into the

1342
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,280
frame of reference that we
already have.

1343
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:18,880
Yeah, there's just to take take
a step back the sorry.

1344
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:23,440
We're going forward.
The the the three books, the

1345
01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:26,200
three books that you mentioned,
they go together so well.

1346
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:33,240
If anybody really wants a a full
snapshot of the entire offsat

1347
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:39,320
journey, the the trio of books
that is Hunt for the Skinwalker,

1348
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:44,080
Skinwalker, the Pentagon and
imminent are that those are

1349
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:48,600
those three books right there
are just your full full spectrum

1350
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:55,640
story of of what OSAP is, how
BASS joined them, how they how

1351
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:59,800
they started off as nids became
BASS, how OSAP turned into

1352
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:06,440
insips or I'm sorry, how it how
they turned into a tip or they

1353
01:18:06,440 --> 01:18:11,440
they burped a tip as part of
OSAP and then a a tip became its

1354
01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:20,000
own self basically run body
after OSAP took a took a

1355
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:24,240
nosedive and Lou Elizondo became
the head of that.

1356
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:33,280
And it's, it's such AI think
it's, it's under undervalued

1357
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:39,200
what OSAP did.
And they're catching a lot of

1358
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:43,200
heat right now because of all
the stuff that's coming forward.

1359
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:48,360
I think a lot of people are
having trouble believing all the

1360
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:50,880
stuff that that's being put out
right now because it's coming

1361
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:54,960
from a government entity.
And I understand that, right?

1362
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:57,880
I understand that, you know, a
lot of people are are pushing

1363
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:03,440
back, especially, you know, like
people from like, let's just say

1364
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:07,600
Jeff's circle of friends, right?
But they're, they're not the,

1365
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:11,640
the most friendliest when it
comes to government entities,

1366
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:12,840
right?
Especially when they're

1367
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:14,640
releasing this kind of
information, they're always

1368
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:16,400
like, man, this smells like
shit.

1369
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:18,120
You know, this looks like shit,
smells like shit.

1370
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,360
Must be shit, right?
Why are they giving us all this

1371
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,640
information?
This information is too good.

1372
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:25,160
There must be some crap behind
it.

1373
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:30,880
Everything's a fucking SIOP.
And see, see, right, so and

1374
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,760
I'll, I'll admit, like there's
some, you know, especially in

1375
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:38,560
imminent and this Skinwalkers at
the Pentagon book, there's some

1376
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,120
really juicy shit in there.
There's some really, really,

1377
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:46,680
really good shit in there.
And like some stuff in there

1378
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,880
that I'm that I'm reading and
I'm like, wow, I can't believe

1379
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,040
that people are are allowed to
publish this.

1380
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:58,080
That's pretty intense.
And I can understand where

1381
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:03,160
people are are coming from.
But if you're, if you're looking

1382
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:05,480
at it and you're looking at the
science that's behind it and

1383
01:20:05,480 --> 01:20:09,080
you're checking the science and,
and you're, you're, you're

1384
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:14,280
really diving into it, a lot of
this is really well thought out

1385
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:17,200
and a lot of it makes a lot of
really good sense.

1386
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:19,920
It really does.
There's a lot of dots being

1387
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,760
connected and a lot of lines
drawn.

1388
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:27,520
And I think that especially the
two the skin walkers at the

1389
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:29,600
Pentagon imminent.
I think that there's a lot of

1390
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:33,320
things in there that I think a
lot of people should read, even

1391
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:37,720
if it is government planted
information, I think that

1392
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:40,400
there's a lot of really good
information in there that are

1393
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:43,680
people that people really need
to take away from from, from

1394
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:48,080
this, because even if it is just
planted information, there's

1395
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,440
still really good high quality
stuff in there.

1396
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,560
I don't want to give it all away
because I, you know, I'm, I'm

1397
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:57,960
really big on, on letting
authors tell their stories.

1398
01:20:59,480 --> 01:21:01,760
So I'm trying, trying to tiptoe
around most of it.

1399
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:14,040
But like, like what you were
saying, there's a sorry, I'm

1400
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:17,800
trying to trying to think of
whether or not I want to go down

1401
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:20,640
that whole rabbit hole because
we're already an hour and a half

1402
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:25,080
into this, this show.
Well, let's derail then.

1403
01:21:27,480 --> 01:21:29,400
Yeah, I know it's probably a
better idea.

1404
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:33,280
How about this, we'll get them
on later on and we'll talk about

1405
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:36,440
all the other stuff.
I, I really want to get into the

1406
01:21:36,440 --> 01:21:38,960
rest of this research.
How about the paranormal?

1407
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:44,040
You talked about a little bit as
far as the different wavelengths

1408
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:47,080
and being able to go through
walls and things like that and

1409
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:51,200
and move objects or not move
objects, but what sort of

1410
01:21:52,440 --> 01:21:56,760
experiences have you had on a
team or by yourself dealing with

1411
01:21:56,760 --> 01:22:03,000
the paranormal?
In my experiences I've seen full

1412
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:06,440
bodied apparitions, I've seen
shadow entities, I've recorded

1413
01:22:06,440 --> 01:22:12,320
Evps, I have experienced objects
move, I have had a six foot fake

1414
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:16,080
tree thrown at me even before I
started caps.

1415
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:18,320
That was my my first paranormal
experience.

1416
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:22,800
I've shared it on several shows
and stuff, but I've, I mean, you

1417
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,960
name it, I've, I've had the
gambit of stuff happen.

1418
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:30,800
I guess I'm, I'm a firm believer
that there's, there's stuff out

1419
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:36,760
there in the paranormal realm
of, you know, ghosts or spirits

1420
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:40,800
and stuff like that.
I am very fortunate to have two

1421
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:44,920
amazing mediums on my team, as
well as a few others that are on

1422
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:48,200
call with us.
And they are absolutely

1423
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:51,280
phenomenal with what they do IA
100% believe in them because

1424
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:55,000
they have been able to get
information that they shouldn't

1425
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:58,040
know that they did.
You know, like there's, there's

1426
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:01,280
no way that they would have
known that information if they

1427
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:04,760
weren't literally talking to the
spirit of of somebody that has

1428
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:06,960
passed.
So they're, they're amazing,

1429
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:11,000
phenomenal people.
And by using them in the field,

1430
01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:14,320
it, it adds so much to the stuff
that we investigate.

1431
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:18,400
So.
So what do you think as far as

1432
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:25,800
the entities that you, excuse
me, the entities that you

1433
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:31,480
encounter, are they in your mind
say like the layman's terms, are

1434
01:23:31,480 --> 01:23:35,760
they ghosts, spirits, angelic
beings, demons, you know,

1435
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,520
leftovers, energies, things like
that?

1436
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:41,240
Like what do you think that they
are?

1437
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:43,560
There's a little bit of
everything, actually.

1438
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:48,240
We've encountered the spirits of
people that have passed, people

1439
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:50,840
that are stuck at a specific
location for a reason.

1440
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:55,480
We had one, one location where
we work where there was three

1441
01:23:55,480 --> 01:23:58,680
children, ghosts that were
literally being held there by a

1442
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:01,880
dark entity.
And the dark entity was not a

1443
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:04,560
human.
It was literally feeding off the

1444
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,800
the suffering and the energy and
stuff of these other ghosts.

1445
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:13,360
And we were able to hold the
children in a sacred safe space

1446
01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:16,160
and allow them to crossover
while holding this other thing

1447
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:18,560
at Bay.
We had several counters with

1448
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,440
this thing where every time we'd
have a conversation with another

1449
01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:25,760
being of the building, this
thing would come in and they

1450
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,200
would take over.
He's coming, he's here, you

1451
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:30,480
know, all the stuff.
And we'd be having these

1452
01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:32,880
wonderful conversations of, you
know, like, how are you today?

1453
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:34,400
Oh, I'm good, you know,
everything's great.

1454
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:37,280
It's, you know, it's party,
we're having fun, you know, all

1455
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:40,240
this stuff and then leave, get
out, you know, all that.

1456
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:43,960
And it the whole energy, all the
equipment changes everything.

1457
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:48,960
And so there's definitely things
out there that are what we call

1458
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:52,200
like energy vampires.
They just come in and feed off

1459
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:56,360
of the energy of a location or
the other spirits there or what

1460
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:58,160
not.
I don't.

1461
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:04,480
I would say there's only been
one or two cases in my whole

1462
01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:08,600
time as a researcher where if
you've encountered a a demonic

1463
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:12,480
entity and the one case was was
really bad.

1464
01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:17,040
It was in Kenosha, WI.
We got called in and it is our

1465
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:21,600
episode called Documenting Fear.
And this family called us in.

1466
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:24,200
They had literally blocked off
the upstairs of their house.

1467
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:27,360
They taped off all their vents
in the house.

1468
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:30,800
They covered up all the mirrors
and they said all this stuff is

1469
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:32,480
happening.
You know, we're hearing voices.

1470
01:25:32,480 --> 01:25:35,000
We're we're seeing capturing
stuff on pictures.

1471
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,080
They'll take a picture of
something and this entity will

1472
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:40,160
show up in the picture that they
didn't see in person.

1473
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,160
All this stuff is happening.
They said, you know, we're

1474
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:44,520
leaving.
We're moving out at the end of

1475
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:48,160
the month and we want you to
come in and document what you

1476
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:51,720
can because we want to know if
we're going crazier, if this

1477
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:55,320
stuff is actually happening.
And so we came in and we set up

1478
01:25:55,320 --> 01:25:57,480
our equipment, we spent the
night there and everything, did

1479
01:25:57,480 --> 01:25:59,040
all this stuff.
And we got a little bit of

1480
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:02,600
evidence and we went back and
started reviewing it and we got

1481
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:08,160
full conversations of these
entities on audio and.

1482
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:10,120
Talking to each other?
Yeah, we're talking to you.

1483
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:12,160
Talking to each other.
Oh wow.

1484
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:16,360
We had an audio recorder
upstairs that says hurt him, No,

1485
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:22,760
hurt him now and then it growls
and then it says OK and there's

1486
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:25,280
nobody upstairs.
It was just this audio up there,

1487
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:27,880
other voices.
And that was in Kenosha.

1488
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:30,600
Kenosha, WI Yeah.
That's where I joined the Navy

1489
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:31,320
out of.
That's crazy.

1490
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:37,200
Yeah, this, this family, I mean,
they, they're still having

1491
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:39,440
problems and stuff and we've
tried to get them help and, and

1492
01:26:39,440 --> 01:26:41,800
reach out and stuff.
But the problem with this stuff

1493
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:45,840
is, is if the people aren't
willing to help themselves,

1494
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:48,600
there's nothing you can do.
You know, sure, people talk

1495
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:53,240
about saging a house or, you
know, creating a safe space and

1496
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:57,760
all that stuff that helps, that
works, but you have to maintain

1497
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:00,920
it.
You have to keep yourself safe

1498
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:05,400
and and push this stuff out and
learn how to control your

1499
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:09,040
abilities.
And remove everything that this

1500
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:11,080
thing could be attached to.
Right.

1501
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:12,840
Right.
So if there's a Ouija board

1502
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:15,040
somewhere upstairs in the attic,
get rid of it.

1503
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:16,880
Yeah.
Properly.

1504
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:18,080
You got to.
Yeah.

1505
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:19,120
Properly.
So yeah.

1506
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:23,520
It's, it's funny because my, my
mom, so my grandfather was in

1507
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:26,840
the Air Force and he was
stationed in, in England.

1508
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:31,880
And they're on base housing.
And they were in this this house

1509
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:35,720
where apparently, I don't know,
some Dear John letter or

1510
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:40,520
whatever, but they got divorced
and the wife decided she was

1511
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:42,640
going to kill herself and all of
her children.

1512
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,320
So she drowned all of her
children in the tub and then

1513
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:48,840
hung herself off the banisters.
Well, it's base housing.

1514
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:51,800
So they're not going to demolish
a building off of some, you

1515
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:55,000
know, pesky little, you know,
murder suicide type stuff.

1516
01:27:55,480 --> 01:28:00,920
So my mom, she recalls when she
was very little, like 5, that

1517
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:05,600
they lived in this haunted house
and it would turn on the the

1518
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:11,080
stove top, which was gas powered
and, and move towels over there

1519
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:14,040
to set the fire alarm off and
try to burn the house down and

1520
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:16,320
all this sort of stuff.
And she recalls being pushed

1521
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:18,760
down the stairs, you know, all
this sort of stuff.

1522
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:21,400
My mom's very Christian woman.
She doesn't move in ghost.

1523
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:23,440
She doesn't believe in leftover
spirit.

1524
01:28:23,440 --> 01:28:26,080
She believes in demons, you
know, and maybe there's a

1525
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:29,480
demonic entity that was attached
to that house, right?

1526
01:28:29,480 --> 01:28:33,680
But all this sort of stuff.
And so one day it was just like

1527
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:36,640
months and months and months of
this.

1528
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:41,480
Grandpa comes home from work,
he's active duty Air Force, and

1529
01:28:41,480 --> 01:28:45,400
he shouts into the house from
the entryway.

1530
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:48,160
If you don't knock this stuff
off, I'm going to burn this

1531
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:51,240
house to the ground.
And then everything stopped for

1532
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:53,840
two years.
They finished up the rest of the

1533
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:56,440
tour.
Grandpa got back in the States.

1534
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,000
Everything was good, fine for
two years.

1535
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:03,760
So grandma and grandpa are now
in their, you know, late 70s and

1536
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:07,000
they want to go on like a trip
of all the places they've been

1537
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:10,440
because they went lots of places
in Germany, Italy, you know,

1538
01:29:10,440 --> 01:29:13,040
France, England, all these sorts
of places.

1539
01:29:13,480 --> 01:29:16,880
So they're doing their like 40th
wedding anniversary.

1540
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:21,440
So they go to England on this
trip and they, they go to the

1541
01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:24,040
base and sure enough, the house
is still there.

1542
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:27,480
And grandma's like, I want to, I
just, I just want to see.

1543
01:29:27,480 --> 01:29:29,880
So she goes up, she rings the
doorbell, lady answers.

1544
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:33,160
She's like, is she still here?
And she's like, is who still

1545
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:35,520
here?
She's like, you know her and

1546
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:40,040
she's like, you know about her.
It's like, Oh yeah, she

1547
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:44,120
terrorized 40 years ago, you
know, and stuff like that.

1548
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:48,240
Like it, it's crazy.
So even still, like even, you

1549
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:51,800
know, my Christian beliefs that
you know, you're dead and you're

1550
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:55,000
dead and you know you're saved,
you're not and all that sort of

1551
01:29:55,000 --> 01:30:01,920
stuff.
It can't really dissolve, I

1552
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:06,720
guess, the experience or the
fact that there are other things

1553
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:10,680
now, whether that's angelic or
demonic or something else, some

1554
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:14,160
sort of energy, because you
know, it could be true.

1555
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:17,200
We are, our souls are made out
of energy and that's why we

1556
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:19,200
can't be killed or destroyed,
right?

1557
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:21,240
We go from one place to another
place.

1558
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:27,600
It could be that, right, But it,
it's so creepy, dude, it's so

1559
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:32,600
gross and creepy, especially
when you go from, you know, I,

1560
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:36,600
I, I don't know, you know, I
suppose people might have

1561
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:40,040
unfinished business.
I always like to throw in the,

1562
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:46,080
the anecdote of what about the
hipster ghost that was running

1563
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:48,760
in the street to grab his vape
that he dropped and got hit by a

1564
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:51,120
bus and now he's just haunting
the street corner right now.

1565
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:54,920
Like if there were ghosts that
died in, in tragic events.

1566
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:58,600
And I, I like to say that, you
know, 400,000 people die

1567
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:03,800
worldwide every single day.
And it's not from dying, you

1568
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:06,600
know, in a bed surrounded by
their family members.

1569
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:10,000
It's from getting hit by cars
and getting murdered and getting

1570
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:14,760
mauled by wild animals and all
sorts of terrible things.

1571
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:18,520
If there were ghosts and people
were able to perceive them, it

1572
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:20,760
would be like bumping into sand
on the beach.

1573
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:23,920
Like every single step you take,
you'd be slamming into them

1574
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:25,360
because they're just there,
right?

1575
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:26,800
Because there's been so many
people.

1576
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:30,880
Even from a creationist
perspective of 10,000 years,

1577
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:35,840
there has been 85 billion people
that have lived on this earth,

1578
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:38,720
right?
So, and most of them from

1579
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:42,880
untimely death.
So the ghost idea for me is so

1580
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:47,160
underwhelming where it has to be
someone that died in this

1581
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:49,880
horrible experience.
Like school shootings, like I

1582
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:53,760
don't want like to bring them
up, but they would be hot spots

1583
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:59,160
for terrible, terrible
paranormal activity, right?

1584
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:04,280
But you don't really see that.
But that's not to say that there

1585
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:08,280
isn't also something there
because there are people they're

1586
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:10,920
able to pick up on this.
And even if they weren't

1587
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:16,440
previously warned of, hey, we're
walking into a house where 3000

1588
01:32:16,440 --> 01:32:20,040
patients died under the care of
one sick ass doctor, right?

1589
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:25,160
Or whatever it was like in
Clovis, CA, it was, it was 300

1590
01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:31,560
and or 400 patients died because
there was 20 doctors covering

1591
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:35,200
over them in a in a elderly care
unit.

1592
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:37,440
And they left.
They just said screw this, we're

1593
01:32:37,440 --> 01:32:39,160
done.
And they all starved to death,

1594
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:42,640
pissing themselves and crapping
themselves until they died,

1595
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:45,240
right.
And it was a haunted hotspot

1596
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:48,760
until it was removed.
I think there's a Walmart there

1597
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:50,920
now, right?
So it's just, it's just gone.

1598
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:55,480
But there are still examples of
people that can feel these sorts

1599
01:32:55,480 --> 01:32:58,440
of things.
And that's why I like you

1600
01:32:58,440 --> 01:33:00,560
weren't here.
But last episode, I think Jeff

1601
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:04,040
said or Jeremy, we should pull
someone out of an indigenous

1602
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:07,440
tribe that has nothing to do
with our culture and put them in

1603
01:33:07,440 --> 01:33:10,760
a house that's supposed to be
super duper haunted and see what

1604
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:12,640
they think.
Even if they have, you know,

1605
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:15,960
shaman sort of religions and
things like that where they, you

1606
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:18,200
know, believe in the spirits,
maybe they'll be like, oh, Dang,

1607
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:21,320
a house I have to build Cool.
And they'll be fine, right?

1608
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:23,240
Versus US.
I'm like, oh, it's spooky in

1609
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:24,600
here.
I don't know.

1610
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:27,480
But I do believe there's
something there.

1611
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:31,520
You know, I'm not going to
discredit it entirely and say

1612
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:33,840
that it's all baloney because
otherwise there would be no

1613
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:36,880
story right there.
There wouldn't be a person

1614
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:40,040
walking into a situation where
something bad happened and being

1615
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:42,280
like, oh, gosh, there's
something here.

1616
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:46,040
It'd be like, yeah, it's just
house, you know, there has to be

1617
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:48,560
something there.
Well, you're talking about a lot

1618
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:49,840
of different things there,
though.

1619
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:52,120
You're talking about residual
energy.

1620
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:54,920
So somebody doesn't have to die
to leave their energy in a

1621
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:58,960
location, you know, So a lot of
these traumatic like battles and

1622
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:02,640
stuff, anything where there's,
you know, if somebody lives in a

1623
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:05,000
house and loved the house and,
and really cared about the

1624
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:08,880
house, you can still leave a
part of yourself, a a little bit

1625
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:12,640
of your soul there in that
location and still be alive.

1626
01:34:13,560 --> 01:34:16,640
There's been cases of that too,
where somebody that used to live

1627
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:20,800
in a house is haunting that
house, but is still alive and

1628
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:24,240
living in a different location.
And they've documented this as

1629
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:27,200
far as like knowing the person
and, and stuff that's happened

1630
01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:29,800
there, like routines and stuff
like that.

1631
01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:32,400
You also have, you know, you
talked about like school

1632
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:35,000
shooters and stuff like that.
A lot of those cases are, you

1633
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:37,040
know, I don't want to say
they're not bad or not

1634
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:41,800
traumatic, but they're not.
They they happen, they're done,

1635
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:45,120
they're gone.
If they got shot, they moved on.

1636
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:48,800
Children to a certain age have
this innocence where they

1637
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:51,440
haven't latched on to this
world.

1638
01:34:51,440 --> 01:34:55,560
They haven't, you know,
solidified in here where they

1639
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:57,240
would have that unfinished
business.

1640
01:34:57,240 --> 01:35:01,360
Their soul can move on and, and
just be done with it.

1641
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:03,600
You know, where as you're
talking about, like the other

1642
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:07,480
cases where you have, you know,
the abuse, the neglect and stuff

1643
01:35:07,480 --> 01:35:09,560
like that where they've been
tortured there.

1644
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:12,640
Again, that doesn't mean that a
person's soul is trapped there,

1645
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:18,720
but a part of them is this
reflection or an imprint of the

1646
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:22,080
stuff that was there, this
energy that's left behind.

1647
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:25,040
It doesn't necessarily mean that
the spirit of the person is

1648
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:30,400
there, but it means that they've
left this image, this negative

1649
01:35:30,440 --> 01:35:32,720
of what happened.
And this is where you get like

1650
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:35,680
the residual cases instead of
the the intellectual, the

1651
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:38,240
intelligent hauntings.
And a lot of the times the

1652
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:40,800
places that we go where we
interact with these spirits,

1653
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:46,480
like we do a paranormal tour up
here in Wisconsin and this place

1654
01:35:46,480 --> 01:35:49,760
is severely haunted, is the most
active location that we've ever

1655
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:53,120
investigated.
Yet when we have people come in

1656
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:56,520
for the tours, it's not the
spirits of the building that

1657
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:58,960
necessarily interact with the
people that come through, but

1658
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:01,120
the people's families and loved
ones that have passed.

1659
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:04,080
Because when you open up this
door and you say, hey, we're

1660
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:06,920
going to do this ghost tour, you
know, in this ghost

1661
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:09,640
investigation and here's all
this equipment and we're opening

1662
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:11,720
up that door to have a
communication with the other

1663
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:14,160
side.
Your mother, your grandmother,

1664
01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:16,520
your best friend who passed is
going to come through and say,

1665
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:19,760
hey, I want to talk to you.
You know, just because you're

1666
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:22,360
here to talk to the the spirits
that are haunting this building,

1667
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:24,960
that doesn't mean that that's
who's going to come through.

1668
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:28,360
And, you know, I would say it's
at least 5050.

1669
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:31,840
The chance that when we do these
tours, somebody's family member

1670
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:35,120
is what comes through and
interacts with the people on the

1671
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:37,680
tours and investigations rather
than the people that are

1672
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:39,360
actually in the building.
And we know who's in the

1673
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:41,600
building.
So we can tell you, OK, this is

1674
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:43,560
the spirit of this one, this
one, this one, this one that

1675
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:46,240
we've documented here.
That's not who you're talking

1676
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:47,520
to.
This is something else.

1677
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:50,440
Now let's figure out who it is.
And then we start working

1678
01:36:50,440 --> 01:36:52,560
through it and it's like, oh,
this is, this is your dad, this

1679
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:55,160
is your grandma.
And it's really interesting

1680
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:57,720
stuff that you know, it's, it's
not all the same thing.

1681
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:05,760
So how would you differentiate
between the the energy or the

1682
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:10,080
the ghost or the spirit of the
person that's dead versus the

1683
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:13,280
person that's still alive?
Because that's something I've

1684
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:18,480
never heard before, that's
people leave imprinting energy

1685
01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:21,880
on a location.
So how would you as a researcher

1686
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:24,360
be able to differentiate between
those two?

1687
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:27,520
That's where you go into the
research side of it and finding

1688
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:29,680
out, well, who is it that we're
actually talking to?

1689
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:32,240
And then you find out the
history of the location, the

1690
01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:36,160
house and stuff like that.
I don't remember all the exact

1691
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:39,480
details of that story.
I remember it was a guest on one

1692
01:37:39,480 --> 01:37:41,400
of my shows that came in and
talked about that.

1693
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:46,840
And they, it was a guy that was,
it was their, their spirit or

1694
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:49,720
the energy was still in this
house and they literally knew

1695
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:52,160
from somebody like the neighbor
or something, they're like,

1696
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:55,480
well, this is this guy.
And you know, this is what he

1697
01:37:55,480 --> 01:37:57,200
did.
He, he made his coffee every

1698
01:37:57,200 --> 01:37:59,720
night at the same time because
he went to work and they, they

1699
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:02,720
knew his pattern and they were
able to say, well, this guy's

1700
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:04,040
still alive.
He just moved out.

1701
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:06,800
But that's how they knew because
they could pinpoint it down.

1702
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:10,520
Now for us, it'd be really hard
because you would have to, you

1703
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:13,920
know, do the research, find out
who lived in the location, who

1704
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:16,120
has passed away in the location
and stuff like that.

1705
01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:19,440
And a lot of times it's not even
necessarily the people that died

1706
01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:21,240
in a location.
A lot of people think that, you

1707
01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:23,960
know, if you die at a certain
house that you're going to haunt

1708
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:25,960
that house.
Well, that's usually not how it

1709
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:28,000
works.
Like I said, it's, it's usually

1710
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:31,080
when, when you have a house
that's haunted or you are

1711
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:34,640
having, if you move into a house
and there's stuff happening from

1712
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:37,680
day one, it's probably the
house, the land, the property,

1713
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:40,320
right?
If all of a sudden something

1714
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:43,080
starts happening to you, like we
get phone calls, we get emails

1715
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:46,120
and stuff with people asking for
our help, private houses and

1716
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:48,160
stuff.
And when we go into these

1717
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:51,680
locations, we don't go, you
know, well, you know, tell me

1718
01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:53,760
the whole history of the house.
I can look it up online.

1719
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:55,760
What I say is what's going on
with you?

1720
01:38:56,600 --> 01:38:58,160
What, what have you been
experiencing?

1721
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:00,640
Have you lost a job recently?
Have you, you know, gone through

1722
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:02,920
a divorce?
Have you been through some, some

1723
01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:04,880
traumatic instance?
And I'm not saying that you're

1724
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:06,960
making it up.
What I'm saying is, is that

1725
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:10,440
somebody on the other side is
watching over you and they're

1726
01:39:10,440 --> 01:39:12,000
telling you, Hey, I'm here for
you.

1727
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:14,440
You need to pay attention to
what I'm saying.

1728
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:18,240
You know, and this, this entity
that's knocking, you know, your,

1729
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:21,760
your grandma's picture off the
wall is actually wearing grandma

1730
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:23,880
saying, hey, see this picture of
me?

1731
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:25,440
I'm trying to get your
attention.

1732
01:39:25,440 --> 01:39:26,640
Everything's going to be all
right.

1733
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:30,080
I'm watching over you, you know,
and, and when people start doing

1734
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:31,800
that, they're like, Oh my gosh,
you're right.

1735
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:35,200
I, I have been smelling my
grandma's perfume lately, you

1736
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:38,400
know, and Oh my gosh, you know,
I, I never put that together.

1737
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:41,920
And, you know, people are always
scared of what they don't

1738
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:46,440
understand.
If you don't know why this demon

1739
01:39:46,440 --> 01:39:48,680
is throwing your grandma's
picture off the wall, that can

1740
01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:52,360
scare the crap out of you.
And now all of a sudden you put

1741
01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:56,720
this together of, oh, maybe that
is, you know, just what this is

1742
01:39:56,720 --> 01:39:58,840
going on.
And that knowledge, that

1743
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:01,480
understanding helps people
understand and gives them that

1744
01:40:01,480 --> 01:40:04,800
doorway to communicate and say,
you know, whenever I smell this,

1745
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:07,760
whenever I hear this, you know,
I think of my grandma and I feel

1746
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:10,320
better because, you know, we
were very close.

1747
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:13,360
And, and it's helping me get
through these situations and

1748
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:15,840
things start to calm down
because you're, you're

1749
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:18,600
understanding what's going on.
You're understanding who's

1750
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:20,960
trying to get your attention,
who's trying to make those

1751
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:24,200
connections with you.
You know, it's funny you say

1752
01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:29,120
that.
I had a dream this week of one

1753
01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:33,880
of my Co workers that I'm not
incredibly fond of and of all

1754
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:38,280
the people to confront me about
what my behavior towards him.

1755
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:41,440
It was my grandpa who's been
dead for 10 years, but he was my

1756
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:44,120
he was closer to me than my dad
was.

1757
01:40:44,480 --> 01:40:48,040
And he had these big old sausage
fingers build mechanic hands and

1758
01:40:48,040 --> 01:40:50,920
he would poke it into your
sternum.

1759
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,560
And when he wanted to get your
attention, you'd be like, you

1760
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:56,920
know, jabbing in your sternum.
And he told me he's like, he's

1761
01:40:56,920 --> 01:41:01,040
like, you are being a terrible
example of what a Christian is

1762
01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:04,560
by mistreating your Co workers.
Pay attention.

1763
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:07,200
Stop being an asshole type
stuff.

1764
01:41:07,440 --> 01:41:08,880
Right?
And I told one of my my

1765
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:12,000
Christian Co workers and he's
like sounds like, sounds like a

1766
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:14,080
message.
You know, that's what it sounds

1767
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:16,160
like.
I was like right about out of

1768
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:18,160
everyone that could have been
doing that, it was him.

1769
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:23,480
And that yeah, I mean, you know,
I'm, I'm not, I mean, I'm the

1770
01:41:23,480 --> 01:41:27,520
guy that's never died before
here I am, right.

1771
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:31,840
So I'm not to say what is or
isn't possible on the other

1772
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:34,520
side.
You know, I'm not going to say

1773
01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:37,680
that I know for beyond a shadow
of a doubt that this is or isn't

1774
01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:41,760
possible.
But yeah, it's just like, I get

1775
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:44,720
it.
That's pretty dope, yeah.

1776
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:48,000
Your comment section's right
too.

1777
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:51,560
Just because a spirit says that
they're your loved one or

1778
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:53,760
something, they can definitely
be lying.

1779
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:56,480
And that's where you run into
these problems.

1780
01:41:56,480 --> 01:42:00,120
A lot of people, you know, oh, I
want to be a ghost hunter.

1781
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:03,600
I'm going to go to the cemetery.
Well, this is a huge problem

1782
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:06,320
because what happens, you know,
if you're again, you're going

1783
01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:08,480
looking for your grandma, you
want to talk to your grandma's

1784
01:42:08,480 --> 01:42:09,360
spirit?
Well, sure.

1785
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:10,760
Your loved ones are always with
you.

1786
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:12,480
They're always around you.
They're always protecting you

1787
01:42:12,480 --> 01:42:15,600
and watching over you.
And what happens is you go to

1788
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:17,360
the cemetery.
And what's at the cemetery?

1789
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:18,920
A lot of loss.
A lot of.

1790
01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:21,280
Grieving a lot of this negative
energy.

1791
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:24,720
And what were we talking about
earlier is these energy vampires

1792
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:28,160
that feed off that negativity.
Well, so you go to the cemetery

1793
01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:30,720
to visit your your grandma's
grave and you say, oh, grandma,

1794
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:33,240
you know, are you here with me?
You know, oh, I miss you so

1795
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:34,520
much.
I wish you'd come with me.

1796
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:37,480
Well, these negative things that
are at the cemetery are like,

1797
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:40,840
yeah, I'll come home with you.
And this is where you get these

1798
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:43,440
things, these attachments, these
things that come with you and

1799
01:42:43,440 --> 01:42:46,240
follow you because you've
invited it in.

1800
01:42:46,720 --> 01:42:49,160
You know, you you talk about
like these religious things and

1801
01:42:49,160 --> 01:42:50,040
stuff.
You can't.

1802
01:42:50,720 --> 01:42:53,040
A demon can't just attach itself
to you.

1803
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:55,680
You can't be walking down the
street and all of a sudden a

1804
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:57,280
demon decides to follow you
home.

1805
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:00,600
Like a Leech in a river, Yeah.
You can't have that.

1806
01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:04,200
This doesn't happen.
What happens is it'll it'll wear

1807
01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:07,160
you down and you start to think,
you know, oh man, I'm I'm

1808
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:10,480
worthless, you know, you start
to have self doubt, you get more

1809
01:43:10,480 --> 01:43:13,440
and more negative thoughts and
eventually, you know, you start

1810
01:43:13,440 --> 01:43:16,320
to this thing starts eating away
at you and picking at you until

1811
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:18,960
you let it in.
And that's when these things

1812
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:20,880
start causing problems and stuff
like that.

1813
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:23,480
But you can absolutely just let
it in.

1814
01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:26,520
And that's where you have these
problems, going to cemeteries in

1815
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:29,680
these places.
You know, like be very careful

1816
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:34,480
with what you ask for.
You say, is anyone here that

1817
01:43:34,480 --> 01:43:36,600
wants to communicate?
Well, now you've thrown that

1818
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:41,160
door wide open to any range of
angelic, demonic, spiritual,

1819
01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:43,640
anything that's there is going
to come forward and find you.

1820
01:43:44,360 --> 01:43:46,800
And if you don't do what you
need to protect yourself, that's

1821
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:49,160
where these things start, you
know, becoming attachments and

1822
01:43:49,160 --> 01:43:52,280
then following you and, and
causing problems and stuff.

1823
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:54,880
And that's where, like we said,
you can sage and it's going to

1824
01:43:54,880 --> 01:43:57,400
Kick It Out for a day, maybe a
week.

1825
01:43:57,640 --> 01:43:59,720
But this thing's going to come
right back because your

1826
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:05,080
vibrations, your energy, your
life is at that low point where

1827
01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:08,040
you, you have these problems and
that's where you need to work on

1828
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:10,840
yourself.
So that's what we have to teach

1829
01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:14,000
people when we go to these
locations and stuff is how to

1830
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:16,440
manage that.
We have a, a new program we

1831
01:44:16,440 --> 01:44:18,360
launched this year called the
affiliate program.

1832
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:22,680
And we actually have a whole
list of affiliates on our page

1833
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:28,440
that we trust that do teaching
of how to manage yourself, how

1834
01:44:28,440 --> 01:44:33,800
to keep your presence clean, how
to communicate with the other

1835
01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:36,320
side properly.
Because a lot of these people

1836
01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:41,160
have empathic or medium
abilities, and that's why these

1837
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:44,280
other spirits are drawn to them
to communicate with them.

1838
01:44:44,720 --> 01:44:46,520
And so they're going from house
to house to house.

1839
01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:48,800
And they're like, well, every
house that I live in is haunted.

1840
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:51,720
Yeah.
Because they find you because

1841
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:54,560
you're a beacon of light that
that's calling out saying, hey,

1842
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:56,080
I can see you.
Hey, I can hear you.

1843
01:44:56,080 --> 01:44:58,920
I can understand you.
So obviously all these spirits

1844
01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:01,120
are going to seek you out to try
and communicate because they

1845
01:45:01,120 --> 01:45:05,720
know you can hear them and it's
it's up to you as a person to

1846
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:09,320
shut that off and learn how to
control that so that they can't

1847
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:12,680
bother you and you can't have
those interactions.

1848
01:45:14,200 --> 01:45:19,520
Do y'all teach a way to like,
end the conversation, say

1849
01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:24,520
goodbye and like be done with it
versus them sucking onto you

1850
01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:28,120
like a like a dirty, filthy
Leech, you know, just carrying

1851
01:45:28,120 --> 01:45:30,640
you around, you know?
Absolutely, yeah.

1852
01:45:30,640 --> 01:45:32,960
When we get done with
investigations, most of our team

1853
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:36,240
do a somewhat of a ritual of
saying, you know, I'm leaving

1854
01:45:36,240 --> 01:45:39,000
now, you do not have my
permission to follow me home.

1855
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:41,640
You must stay here.
You cannot come home with me.

1856
01:45:43,240 --> 01:45:46,880
If we have a bad encounter with
something at a location, we'll

1857
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:50,240
also sage and clean, you know,
do a full thing like that before

1858
01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:54,120
we leave or when we get home and
stuff or take care of ourselves

1859
01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:58,880
that way as well.
It's very, we've different

1860
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:00,960
members of our team have brought
stuff home from different

1861
01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:03,240
locations and we've had to take
care of it and deal with it.

1862
01:46:03,240 --> 01:46:07,120
Like I said, that Kenosha thing,
that house, almost every person

1863
01:46:07,120 --> 01:46:09,960
that went to that house took
something home with them and

1864
01:46:09,960 --> 01:46:12,320
had.
See, this is this is what I

1865
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:15,480
wanted to bring up when we were
talking about the the

1866
01:46:16,440 --> 01:46:21,000
skinwalkers at the Pentagon.
I wanted to to bring up the the

1867
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:24,800
hitchhikers.
And that's that's a absolutely

1868
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:31,960
phenom, like incredible topic,
but that's a very author

1869
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:35,800
specific topic, especially when
you talk about Lou Elizondo and

1870
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:41,200
you know, calm Callaher and
Lakatsky and and nap.

1871
01:46:42,280 --> 01:46:44,280
So I didn't want to, I didn't
want to talk about it too much

1872
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:47,320
because we probably would have
spent just as much time talking

1873
01:46:47,320 --> 01:46:50,200
about that as you guys just did
talking about, you know, your,

1874
01:46:50,680 --> 01:46:52,440
your paranormal investigations
there.

1875
01:46:54,280 --> 01:47:00,400
But we are coming up here on the
two hour mark, Barnaby, so we'll

1876
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:06,000
have to hold off on the the the
hitchhiker phenomenon for next

1877
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:08,640
time.
I know I can talk about that for

1878
01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:12,720
a good hour or so.
Before we do go.

1879
01:47:13,120 --> 01:47:15,800
Do you want to go ahead and let
everybody know where they can

1880
01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:19,320
follow your material at and
where they can come in and see

1881
01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:22,200
your upcoming convention?
Absolutely good.

1882
01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:26,000
Yeah.
So you can find me at Wisconsin,

1883
01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:31,800
the full state spelled out and
then caps so wicaps.com.

1884
01:47:32,160 --> 01:47:37,440
You can also find us at
Wisconsin caps on Facebook and X

1885
01:47:37,440 --> 01:47:43,600
YouTube and Blue Sky and WI caps
on Instagram.

1886
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:46,920
You can get all of our links on
our website to all of our

1887
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:50,040
podcasts and all of our upcoming
events.

1888
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:52,120
We're going to be at a bunch of
stuff over the year as well,

1889
01:47:52,120 --> 01:47:55,400
library presentations and
conventions and all kinds of

1890
01:47:55,400 --> 01:47:58,000
stuff.
You can find all about Capcom as

1891
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:02,040
well on our website.
Just click on the Capcom picture

1892
01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:04,720
there or the button itself.
You can also find links to our

1893
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:07,200
affiliate page that I was
speaking about on there and our

1894
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:11,080
YouTube and all that stuff right
on there.

1895
01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:16,240
Awesome.
Hey, awesome, awesome job, man.

1896
01:48:16,240 --> 01:48:18,400
You're you're a great guest.
Yeah.

1897
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:22,520
Thank you so much.
On your show, man, if you guys

1898
01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:25,840
haven't had a chance, go check
out the Paranormal Spectrum.

1899
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:28,440
I was a guest on his show
sometime last year.

1900
01:48:28,440 --> 01:48:31,480
We had a great conversation.
I've listened to a couple

1901
01:48:31,480 --> 01:48:34,920
episodes just to kind of check
it out before I headed, before I

1902
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:37,200
headed over onto his show just
to kind of get a feel for

1903
01:48:37,200 --> 01:48:39,800
things.
And I was entertained.

1904
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:44,360
So by all means, check it out.
And I, I think Skeeter said that

1905
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:48,240
he was going to head on down to
the caps convention this this

1906
01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:51,040
year.
He was asking if I wanted, if I

1907
01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:53,880
wanted him to reach out to you.
And I was like, you know, what's

1908
01:48:53,880 --> 01:48:57,640
funny is that I, I was just
talking to him today about,

1909
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:02,520
about coming on the show.
It was, it was literally after I

1910
01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:05,360
had just reached out to you.
It was quite funny.

1911
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:12,120
And I was, so he was.
He was asking if if I wanted him

1912
01:49:12,120 --> 01:49:13,920
to reach out to Chad Lewis.
I was like, yeah, sure,

1913
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:15,200
absolutely.
Yeah, Chad Lewis.

1914
01:49:15,440 --> 01:49:17,200
Chad will be a speaker at the
convention as well.

1915
01:49:18,160 --> 01:49:22,320
Chad will reach Tracy Brown
Junior, Miranda Young, Angela

1916
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:26,080
Zabel and Squatch America and.
Nice.

1917
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:30,120
I've been trying to reach Chad
for five years now, So by all

1918
01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:33,040
means, if we can get Chad on
here, I'd be a happy camper.

1919
01:49:33,680 --> 01:49:36,760
But anyways, Barney, one more
time.

1920
01:49:36,760 --> 01:49:39,560
Thanks.
Really man, it's been a

1921
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:40,800
pleasure.
We'll have to have you back on

1922
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:42,040
so we can finish the
conversation.

1923
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:47,440
Give it a few months so we can
get some more information going.

1924
01:49:47,440 --> 01:49:50,200
Let's we'll do a post caps
debrief.

1925
01:49:50,920 --> 01:49:52,040
We'll see how it all went for
you.

1926
01:49:52,280 --> 01:49:53,920
Sounds good.
Sounds all right man.

1927
01:49:54,840 --> 01:49:56,480
Anybody have anything else to
say before we go?

1928
01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:01,600
Bro, thanks so much for coming
on.

1929
01:50:02,200 --> 01:50:05,440
I really appreciate you
answering all my questions and

1930
01:50:05,440 --> 01:50:07,040
let me just kind of pick your
brain.

1931
01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:09,840
It's pretty dope.
It's very rare that we get a

1932
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:14,240
researcher that's into so many
different things versus just one

1933
01:50:14,240 --> 01:50:16,680
thing, right?
It's always just aliens or

1934
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:18,280
cryptos.
You all do it.

1935
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:20,800
Paranormal, it's the occult,
it's whatever it is.

1936
01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:24,720
But you just allow me to pick
your brains, get a load of your

1937
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:27,600
experiences and stuff.
I really appreciate it and I

1938
01:50:27,720 --> 01:50:29,840
really look forward to having
you back on.

1939
01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:31,640
Absolutely.
Just let me know.

1940
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:33,520
Thank you.
For sure.

1941
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:37,320
Jeffrey Hell yeah, brothers.
There it is.

1942
01:50:37,480 --> 01:50:42,600
All.
Right.

1943
01:50:42,600 --> 01:50:46,000
Well, I was going I had a bunch
of stuff to show off to fans

1944
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:48,280
today, but we this one ran a
little late.

1945
01:50:48,280 --> 01:50:51,280
I was going to show you guys the
the cover for the book that I've

1946
01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:57,120
been working on for damn near 6
months now and I was going to

1947
01:50:57,120 --> 01:51:00,600
show you the cover work for the
new podcast, but it's a.

1948
01:51:01,200 --> 01:51:02,920
Little Yep, suck suck.
Next time a.

1949
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:07,920
Little late maybe, maybe next
weekend everybody, but that

1950
01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:11,280
means you just have something to
look forward to until next time,

1951
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:14,000
travelers.
This has been another episode of

1952
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:15,280
the Infinite Rabbit Hole
podcast.

1953
01:51:15,280 --> 01:51:18,640
We'll see you right here next
weekend where we have another

1954
01:51:18,640 --> 01:51:22,800
guest lined up for like the 5th
or 6th or maybe seventh weekend

1955
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:23,960
in a row.
I'm not sure.

1956
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:28,600
Like I said, I've lost track.
I've lost track, so until next

1957
01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:32,240
time, travelers, we'll see you
right here in the next fork and

1958
01:51:32,240 --> 01:51:34,120
path of the Infinite Rabbit
hole.

1959
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:37,840
Goodbye everybody.
Bye bye.

1960
01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:39,760
Bye.
Right.

1961
01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:48,240
Hey everybody, thanks for
checking out the Infinite Rabbit

1962
01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:50,320
Hole podcast.
If you're looking for more of

1963
01:51:50,320 --> 01:51:53,520
our stuff, head on over to
infiniterabbithole.com where you

1964
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:56,200
can find links to all the
podcast players that we are

1965
01:51:56,200 --> 01:51:59,720
available on and even our video
platforms such as TikTok and

1966
01:51:59,720 --> 01:52:01,600
YouTube.
While you're there, make sure to

1967
01:52:01,600 --> 01:52:04,600
check out all the links for our
socials and hit that follow so

1968
01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:07,680
you know when all the new stuff
from our podcast comes out.

1969
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:11,600
And until next time, travelers,
we'll see you right here in the

1970
01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:14,080
next fork in the path of the
Infinite Rabbit hole.

1971
01:52:14,840 --> 01:52:15,080
Bye.