213. UFO/UAP Exterior Lighting & A Case for Anti-Gravy Tech

0:38 You know, I like crypto terrestrials. You know, I like inner earth beings. You know, I like interdimensional spiritual beings, but I don't like is aliens. I don't like extraterrestrials. I don't like that. Why not? Because I mean, really it just comes down to the information thing. Like all the information that we have that convinces us that we are on a rock floating in space, right? The whole idea of space as we know it, The Big Bang, the expansion of the universe, you know, this infinitely large emptiness, you know, with just debris floating around. And we just happen to be, you know, a speck with life on it and just happens to be intelligent, right, All these things. I think all of that information and that entire what's the word I'm looking for?

1:27 Like dogma, right, is just handed to us by lab coats, which is just like the new version of a fucking priest robes. And I'm just not, I'm not down on that round, you know all. Right, fuck it, we're going to do exterior lights on UAP because I think that's going to feed right into what you're talking about because I'm not gonna lie, I used to. I used to be right up that alley, right. I've said that shit I used. To be a venture like you. I used to be just like you, kid. Back in the day, used to walk uphill both ways to school in the snow. Bare feet. Yeah, the. Interior. Lights.

2:08 Interior lights? No, these are exterior lights. Exterior interior Interior lights. Exterior lights. Exterior lights, all right, we're going to do, we're going to do exterior lights at UAP. So if anybody's, if anybody's reads imminent by Luis Elizondo. So I know there's some some heavy thoughts about Mr. Elizondo in the, in the community lately, but if you've, if you've read the book and you know where I'm going with this, I'm going to break down that chapter pretty in depthly. We're going to, it's going to get very sciency, very physics Y pretty quick. We're going to talk about the Doppler effect and we're going to talk about how it could be possible that these are extraterrestrials from another planet. Because it did.

3:02 It took a lot to convince me, man, because for a long time I've, I've gone a record tons of times on this show saying that I don't think that there's a snowflake's chance in hell that that we're dealing with extraterrestrial beings just because of sheer distance. Right. Yeah. I mean, look, even if you want to believe, well, that's the thing, right? Like what you're talking about the impossibility of them being extraterrestrials because of the sheer distance, right? Like you're, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Where like you're assuming that there is extreme distances between US and the next piece of dust floating in space. But what I'm saying is none of that's fucking true. No, I know. I know where you're coming from.

3:43 OK. I just wanted to make that really clear. I know where your wall is built. If you want to assume that the information that we're given is the truth about space not being fake and gay, then sure. Yeah, you're right. Those distances are just way too far right and we don't have any. We're not catching radio signals. We're not catching, you know, light from these civilizations like they're just getting here like mysteriously from beyond our our view of the universe. Like I just, I'm not buying that either. So they're not aliens. There's no evidence that these are extraterrestrials, period. Oh, just hearsay. You just got schmucks who say yeah, these are fucking aliens.

4:25 Would you even start the episode? You know what? You asked for my final thoughts. I'm just, you know, we ain't it on the table. Now you could change my mind. I'm going. To start the. Episode. Way before this, but we're going to do a proper intro and then we'll get into it. Well, welcome back to the Infinite Rabbit Hole. I'm your host Jeremy, and tonight we're going to dive into the mystery behind the exterior lighting of UAPAKAUFOS. Today my Co host is none other than Sexy Beard Jeff. What's up bud?

5:05 How is that beard? Are you touching? Me, it's all right. It's starting to get Gray, dude. I'm getting Gray. Crystal gave me a ha ha ha, look at her. She's ha ha ha on you. Oh no. I was ha ha ING. No, no, no, no, no, you weren't. Yes, I was. OK, damn it, what's that beer? Yeah, Beard's good. Everything's good. Chilling good. We're all right. We're live here. Yeah, hey, shout out to Danny. He just he just tagged us on his ex post. Appreciate you Danny, spreading love. Danny. Always feeling love from Danny. We got, we got a ton of people in the chat today. Man, this is awesome. Good stuff. Yeah, everything's going pretty good as everyone can tell. We don't have Jake today.

5:52 Jake says that he is not feeling good. Yeah, we need three more followers to to become Twitch affiliated. Three more followers and we will become Twitch affiliated. So if you are watching this and you are not following on Twitch, please just at this point, you know I hate to be that guy, but fucking three, we should be affiliated within the next fucking 2 minutes. OK, please. 14 says I got you. There we go Look at that. Nice. That's one. Thank you. Looking back, we did miss a follow we got followed by Gold Mix Double O 7 actually at 7:50 AM today. So thank you.

6:38 Thank you very much. Good stuff. You're so I have to make 3 fake accounts if that's what you got to do skater bro. No, don't do that. Don't do that. You got to do all right. I'd I'd rather have three people in the chat talking shit. Just share it, whatever you got to do. All right, We're almost there. Three more. It's exciting. So it's my oldest son's birthday today and he wanted Taco Bell for dinner. So we went to Taco Bell and my guts feel like they want to come outside. It sucks. It hurts so bad. Not, not. His wife is making an account. Yeah, Don't eat Taco Bell, man.

7:21 That shit's not good for you. It tastes good once in a while when you don't have it for a long time, and you go in there and you get the nachos with the cheese sauce. I don't know what that cheese sauce is, but it's fucking good dude. Man, I eat half a burrito and I couldn't eat the rest of it. I was like, this is going to hurt. Yeah, it's weird. It's just like a mush and a tortilla. I don't like it. When I go to Taco Bell, I honestly just get the regular tacos. It's just simple. I feel like it's less dog food. Still dog food, but it's like less. I don't. I don't know, man. I don't know. I used to be able to down Taco Bell pretty easily. I can't do that.

8:04 Well, we're not in our 20s anymore, brother. Yeah, I'm old as fuck now. Can't be crushing Taco Bell, man. Not good. Well. You want to want to get into this. Yeah, let's go, dude. Let's see, let me. Pull it up here. Tell me about the interior lights of these UA. PS bro all. Right. So I just want to point out this has not been edited yet. So if there's any part of this where I'm stuttering and it doesn't make sense, it's because I, it wasn't necessarily Rick, we had a guest today, they backed out last minute. Then I had another guest who wanted to reschedule. Not their fault, obviously. I asked them to come back on or come on last second. So this is this is literally just a last second thing, so it's not edited yet.

8:51 There might be some imperfect stuff, but it is what it is and this is what you get because we're half ass here and that's how we roll all right, so UAP exterior lighting. Let's see I do this all in one stint. I got to find a way to break this up. I. Thought you said it was interior. No, it's exterior. Exterior. The more said it was interior, the more wanted interior lighting. I can't deliver on the interior. That tracks. That tracks. All right, in previous presentations we discussed the observables of flight characteristics of UAP. Okay, so as you can tell, this is supposed to come after the Observables episode.

9:35 So yeah. As outlined in Lou Elizondo's book Eminent inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs, in chapter 16 titled The Aha Moment, Elizondo briefly mentions why he believes UAP had external lighting. I've heard this topic come up multiple times in my journeys and the concern is a good one for sure, with the most popular question posed being that if UAP are truly from an extraterrestrial race or even from a non human entity altogether, why would they have external lighting that seemed to mimic that of what we have for FAA regulations? It's a solid question. Why would they care? Is it a form of camouflage? We have reports of technologies being used by craft. They'll allow them to cloak themselves to the night sky. Why would they give away their positions by using lighting systems just to make them look more like human technology if they could leave that detail out and be almost completely undetectable to the human eye?

10:35 Truth is that outside of the recent intrusion of mysterious drones, most, not all mind you, UFO or UAP reports mention white lights with blue lights coming in a far second. There are other colors reported as well, but far less often. Elizondo poses a pretty good answer to the question on why there are external lights on UAP in the 1st place. Actually, it was his friend, Co worker and mentor Doctor Hal Puthoff, the once head of the famed Top Secret Project Stargate program of the US Army, which secretly recruited, trained and conducted missions using the technique now known as Remote Viewing. Lou outlines the explanation that Pudhoff gave to him and a group of his fellow colleagues, outlining how a single gravity manipulation technology could control the space-time fabric around the UAP in a form resembling a bubble of sorts. AI broke this down entirely in a past presentation for those looking for a better explanation. Now sidestep there, that didn't happen yet. That will as a by product of Poohoff's five observables explanation, Elizondo explains what he believes the external lights of a UAP to possibly be.

11:59 To cut straight to the end, his theory is that the lights could be the devices that create this space-time and gravity manipulation device that UAP used to traverse in ways that appease all 5 of Poohoff's observations. And just for reviews sakes are hypersonic velocity, instantaneous acceleration, low observability, transmedium travel and anti gravity. This explanation is a breath of fresh air in the UAP conservation or conversation as it eliminates a common issue with a lot of mysteries in the world where we as humans tend to attach human meanings to the mystery. Which is a bad habit that we have and we need to break away from.

12:42 And by approaching topics with practical means instead of always fighting the filter of human viewpoints, we should be able to make much more progress. Now back to the actual lights. As we discussed in the presentation titled 5 Observables of UFOUAP Flight Characteristics. How Puthoff outlined how in order for UAP to maneuver in such way that expresses all five of the characteristics outlined and only use the efficiency of a single technology, the only technology that could do so would have to be a space-time control bubble that surrounds the craft itself that does so utilizing gravitational manipulation technology and an unfathomable amount of energy as fuel.

13:27 To better explain that what and why Elizondo believes these lights to be the technology that creates the space-time bubble, we will need to bring one of the observables back into the conversation, that being the observable of low observability. There have been a multitude of reports that have included details of distortions to the naked eyes of observers as well as issues with recording technologies capturing UAP on a wide range of devices. The gravity manipulation technology that creates the space-time bubble answers the Y portion of this observable. Thanks to Einstein's second theory of relativity, his theory of general relativity, we know gravity. Gravity effects light as if it had mass. We see this proven in the Doppler effect and how light works around the edge of black holes in an area we call the event horizon.

14:28 Let's look at the Doppler effect briefly to understand a little about how gravity effects light and how we can see this happen. First, let's start off with an example of the Doppler effect that everyone has witnessed in their lives. Everyone that has heard the siren of a police cruiser before. Have you noticed that the siren always sounds louder as it approaches your position than it does when it passes you? This is the Doppler effect in action. It has everything to do with the observer and the movement and direction of the observed object. By definition, the Doppler effect applies to waves expanding from an object in motion. These waves can be of sound or light. The waves coming off of an object moving in the same direction as the object is moving expand off of said object are doing so at a much higher frequency than the waves coming off of the back of the object in the direction away from where it is heading.

15:29 This is a very important part of the equation, so I'll repeat it and then break it down. The waves, whether it is sound or light, that are coming off of an object in the direction that said object is traveling will do so at a higher frequency. This means that they will have a shorter wavelength than the waves coming off of the back of the object. So I see Jake just popped in. What's up? Dude, ain't no way I'm going to let Jeff put out all my talking points that we agree on without me being here.

16:10 OK. So here I am. I feel like garbage and I just crap my brains out, but here I am. Nice. Yeah, nice. Welcome. Was there anything in the chat before I share the screen and show you guys some pictures? No. Yes, we only need two more followers now because Skeeter's wife is the goat. She made a the goat. She made an account. We got Skeeter's. Wife the goat. Let's see. Oh, I can't share it there. That sucks. Hold on. I got to share it.

16:51 Where is it? Where is it? All right, so does. Did I lose anybody there? Yeah, I'm going to need you to repeat all of that, OK? Not doing, not doing that. Did you guys understand that? Yeah, No. OK, so this is this is kind of a explaining what I was talking about in picture form, right?

17:34 So as the object approaches the object which is observing the waveforms are much more compressed but louder, right Jake, we know we know this as sine waves, right? So when we're talking about like here, this one actually would be more or less something that we're more in we're we're more that we could recognize more, right? Because when? We work on the electronic system, the distance that sound has to travel, the larger the sine waves are, at least the the more gapped out they are versus when they're very, when it's a short distance, they're more scrunched, you could say where they're kind of.

18:17 Yeah. Versus but also long. But yeah, but also, you know, like this this picture of this car right here, this car's movement is pushing forward, right? So these these waves are also moving forward, which is causing a crunching pattern, right? So these are these these waves are are much louder than the ones that are behind it. So that's how you're getting the Doppler effect. So as you're standing here and that car is approaching you, that siren is going to be much louder. But as soon as it passes you and you're in this field, then those, the that same siren that was much louder as the car was approaching, as soon as it passes you, the these much more spaced out waves are going to be far more silent, right? So we're going to now we're going to take that same concept and we're going to apply that to light in the next section. I just wanted to make sure that we're all caught up here and we kind of understand this concept before I move on to the next. And do you guys have any questions before we move on to the next?

19:28 No, Sir, no. Heff, Ray. No. No, all right. I'm hungry. You should get some Taco Bell. Yeah, you should get some Taco Bell, bro. Hungry for it? Mexican pizzas bro. All right, let's see. Shoot, I should bring that up too. I should leave this up. I'm going to bring up a picture of the electromagnetic spectrum for you guys. Because that is going to be important. Probably should find.

20:23 This this is just getting into the how basically the lighting on the exterior of these craft are somehow related to the propulsion or the energy or the power. Yes, exactly. And you're about to go through kind of breakdown the the physics in the. Yep. The Cymatics, I guess, yeah, or whatever, whatever you want to call this. But you just need to understand the Doppler effect. That's the big part, not. Shell that again, not shell that again. The Doppler effect. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Give me the 10 second real quick go. The Doppler effect has to deal with waves. OK, so when you're dealing, so this right here is called sine wave.

21:10 Oh, wait, I'm not sharing. Hold on. What are the oscillations of sine waves? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got you the ebbs and flows right. Yeah, right. So you have your high frequency over on the right side of the electromagnetic spectrum and your low frequency on the left side, right? So objects in motion that are giving off a sound or a light right in the direction that they're moving will give off high frequency waves and in the direction facing the the direction that they're moving away from, they'll give off low frequency waves.

21:52 So this over here. OK, so this this shares their waves both in light waves and sound waves. So as a cut car comes up is come driving past you as you're walking on the sidewalk, as it approaches your position, it's louder than when it just passes you and it continues with its siren, it's much quieter. That's because. It's just going. It's not just the volume is the pitch. The pitch of the tone is coming is going up and then down. The major misconception? Is that also because of the sirens? Right. The siren is pointing forward because they're alerting people in front of them that were coming up. That's literally the misconception I was just about to talk about.

22:35 Really the the the most popular misconception is that the speakers for the the sirens are actually facing forward, but they're not. They're actually at the tips of the lights, facing outwards. They're not in the grill. It's no, think about it this way. Think about a jet flying over your head, right? Like when it's coming towards you, it's the pitch is going up, the volume obviously is going up, it's getting closer, but like the pitch is going up. So you hear like. Yeah, any exhaust, it's facing backwards. And as it passes, you right, like the pitch goes up and down and it's the same. That's an audible representation of this. That's a good one. That's a good one because that literally the the, the, the object that's producing the sound, the exhaust on the jet is facing, literally facing backwards.

23:23 That's a good one. Yes, my motorcycle sounds louder from the back than from the front. Well, that's from your perspective on your motor, right? But if you drove past me, right, again, it's not even a volume thing. This is why I stepped in because I don't think it's necessarily just the volume thing. That's just because the loud object is getting closer to you that the volume is going up. But the the fact that the pitch is going up is the thing that's changing when The thing is moving past like the depending on, you know, these sine waves. So how does this have to do? I understand that light and sound, their waves travel in the same way, but what does this have to do with lights on the exterior of a UFO? Is it reflective?

24:13 That's that's the next part. That's the next part we're getting into. I'm just making sure that you guys understand the Doppler effect before I start getting into that concept. All right, give one more example of Doppler effect all. Right, let's let's. Bring red shift. I got. I got you red shift no. No, no, because I'm going to get into red shift, blue shift here in a little bit. Don't do that. Don't do, don't do that. Don't fuck that up for me. Yeah, shut up, Jeff. You're always talking, man. The. Fuck, you can use this thing. Hey, look. Look, here's the question. Here's shut up. Another magic trick. Here's I'm going to make Jake disappear real quick. Watch.

24:54 Here's here's Jeff's example right here. Here's the jet, right? Here's the sound waves coming off the jet. Even though here's your exhaust right here, OK, We know that the exhaust is on the back end and and all the sound is being pushed towards the back. These are the sound waves, right? They're all being compressed up towards the front. These are high frequency waves, OK? These are going to be your louder waves. These are all low frequency waves. These are going to be your softer, more quieter waves. This is the Doppler effect if this was a Harrier Jake, right? And this was just hovering in place or an H60 hovering in place? Like that but 90°. Yeah, it would, it would be equal. It would be like this one, right?

25:36 Yeah, this is, this is not moving whatsoever. Now, if this was moving forward, this is what happened. OK, yeah, I see. I see what you're saying. Yeah, sure. OK. Yeah. Yeah. So it doesn't have to do with the like the exhaust or the siren like that's just to give you an idea. Yeah. Yeah, it's just the movement and that there's a sound of some kind, like if an arrow is flying past, if somebody shoots an arrow at your head, like the arrow is not making a sound, right? You just hear the sound of the wind. But like it would be the same thing. You would hear like a right like it's the pitch going up. As it's getting closer to you, the sound waves are compressing, and as it's moving away from you, the sound waves are expanding and. Correct, Correct.

26:17 Some real Florida Man stuff to talk about. There you go. Who's shooting arrows at you? Listen, don't worry about. Them arrows at NASA I. Don't answer questions. He's out there. He's out there bowfishing, just taking pop pop shots at NASA. With an arrow banks off the bridge. Oh shoot, you thought. You thought that video of those dudes shooting arrows at the fucking helicopter was in the Amazon? Bro that was. Awesome. Too, Too good. Too good. Oh, man. All right, you guys ready? All right, so I got the electromagnetic spectrum up for a reason, So let's let's let's hold that up. I'm not going to be on the screen, so just pay attention. All right?

27:07 For those that are looking at the blog post of my notes on this presentation, again ignore that part. I have included a diagram to assist in what I am explaining. For those of you that are listening, I highly recommend looking up to an looking up an image of the electromagnetic spectrum and understand the difference between high frequency wavelengths and low frequency wavelengths to be able to fully grasp this presentation, but I will do my best to explain verbally. If you want to take the time to look for a good image to follow along with, I highly recommend looking for an image that represents a spectrum with radio waves on the left and gamma waves on the right. As I am presenting a topic on light, you should pause now and resume when you have your image to follow along.

27:52 Let's start with a sine wave. This is the harmonic motion of a linear representation of a rotational pattern on a chronological time scale. Basically, a sine wave is the shape of of the waves in the squiggly lines that we are looking at in our googled electromagnetic spectrum. Notice how on the left side, the peaks and valleys of these waves are more spaced out than the ones on the right. The left side of the spectrum is considered to be the lower frequency or longer wavelength, lower energy side of the electromagnetic spectrum. The right side is the represent is represented by waves that have their peaks and valleys much closer together and is considered to be the higher frequency or shorter wavelength, higher energy side of the electromagnetic spectrum. Now notice that there is a sliver of color that is typically represented in almost every one of these diagrams. This is the representation of visible light to the human eye and is only only measured between 700 and 400 nanometers. Everything you see, everything you have ever seen, and everything you will ever see with your natural eyesight will fall within this sliver of what actually exists in the electromagnetic spectrum.

29:14 Now let's go back to the police cruiser. Many people will answer the question as to why we hear this. The sound louder as the police cruiser approaches then when it departs due to the speakers facing the front of the car. But that is not the case. The real reason is what I explained before. The wavelengths expanding off of a moving object are always doing so at a higher frequency in the direction of the object is moving, then in the direction it is moving away from. This is the third time I have stated this. That's how important this is. What do we know about high frequency waves by looking at our diagrams? They have shorter wavelengths and they are higher energy, meaning they are louder than the other side of the spectrum. So the waves coming off of the side of the police cruiser that is moving away from you are longer in length as well as weaker, so they are quieter.

30:13 This is the Doppler effect as you experience it regularly. Now let's bring the Doppler effect to the world of UAP and breakdown what Elizondo was explaining in chapter 16 of his book. To do this, we need to understand how the Doppler effect effects light. This is seen by astronomers when they look at whether other galaxies are moving away from or closer to our Milky Way. Just like sound, light also is a producer of waves. Each color that we perceive has a distinct sine wave form, even the colors on the invisible areas of the electromagnetic spectrum. To the naked human eye, we have seen that something as simple as a car moving at a typical driving speed can manipulate the wavelengths of sound waves and change the way their sounds are perceived by observers depending on their position of observation.

31:16 This same concept can be applied to astral bodies and our position here on Earth as an astral body, such as a planet or an entire Galaxy, is moving away from us. The light waves that are given off of this body are expanded, much like the sound waves off of a police cruiser, and will shift the typically observed color of the astral body towards the red side of the visible spectrum. This is what is referred to as the redshift paradigm. The opposite of redshift would be the blue shift paradigm, which would be present when the astral body is moving closer towards the earth, which would have its light waves in a more compressed and higher frequency pattern, ultimately shifting its color, shifting its typical color to a spot higher on the blue side of the spectrum.

32:15 So with the, oh, wait, all right, we'll, we'll stop right there. All right. Are we tracking? We are tracking. I'm just, I'm, I'm watching the chat because there's some interesting. No, you'll not me too dense. You want the nutshell version. Yeah. Go ahead, take a swing out of Jeff. Well, what you're explaining is, is like redshift, right? Redshift Blue Shift. Yep.

32:56 So basically what he's saying is that same concept with the with sound, right? What we're talking about earlier is light. Now let's just assume for a second that space is not fake and gay, and the information that they're telling us is correct. Let's also assume that the physics that they're telling us is not fake and gay, and that it's all correct. We'll assume. OK. And the light, so that what they say is like the light, right? So like when they look out into the universe and they see us an object, let's say it's a Galaxy, and if it's moving away from us, this is how they determine that the universe is expanding, right? Because objects that are moving away from us have a red shift, a red tint to the light that we're absorbing. OK.

33:49 And the objects that are moving towards us have a blue shift. Same thing as this diagram's showing us, same thing as the the audible version we were talking about before. Does that make sense? Yeah, yes, now I I wish I wish the more was a a a part of this this episode, cause the more breaks things down pretty. Send him a. Link. Send him a link. Let's go. Hold on. If, if we have, if we have time at the end of the presentation, I will send him a link if he's up for it, but. He says double like light manifests where the observer sees it like OK. No, I no, I totally understand and my my argument to the more would just be the double slit experiment proves that light waves and sound waves, you know that they they do both work very similar.

34:52 I wonder what he his argument would be against. That well. But I mean my argument against light wave. Can be constant, right? So it could be constant light, say coming from a star or whatever it is. Sound waves don't have to be constant, right? So it could just be a blip of sound coming from like my mouth to you. But the light back here, the thread light back here, is just a constant red light. Right. So the the double slick experiment proves a very strange thing on the quantum level that light particles do that they're something happens to them when observed there, there's a there's a really strange effect that happens.

35:43 Or where they change. Yeah, that where they that. Weird. Experiment. Yeah, sure. Yeah, and something is literally, I can't think of the fucking word, man. It's it's such a. Basically what I'm I'm trying to say is that, you know the sound of a jet versus the gosh, I don't know how to describe this sound will stop eventually. Once I stop speaking like that, my sound waves will eventually hit your ears and they'll stop because it'll signify a stop speaking, but light will continue.

36:24 So how does a object emit light in the same way sound, But there's no there's no ending to it, right? That's just because you turned the source off. Right. I mean, technically, you know, a star that is constantly under nuclear reaction or nuclear fusion that's turning hydrogen in the helium over and over and over again is also giving off sound at a constant pace. You just have to be within range of it, you know, and, and you can go over and flip off your light in in your room and, and that light would would turn off. It's just, you know, if you turn the the source of it off, it's. I agree with the Moore a little bit more. My my interpretation of the observer effect and all that is is kind of what the Moore is talking about where the observer manifests the photon.

37:19 This is why I made a big hype about when they discovered what the photon looked like and it looked like the eyeball and I made a big fucking deal about why is the eye look like the thing that the eye consumes like like the whole thing is just like this weird fucking paradox type of situation. So I'm along the beliefs of the observer manifests the photon we observe we the light is only created by us observing it, just like everything else so. I think that I think there's a big part in observation and that that I will agree on. I I think there's a whole part of the of the equation that we're missing, that observation plays that we don't truly understand, and I'll agree to that. 100% agree.

38:08 With that, and that does make it that does make things like redshift, blue shift and light like questionable, right. So I don't know, it is weird because you know, these these experiments, I mean, I've never done these experiments and I know they're like that's not necessarily a good argument, right? Like just because I haven't done the thing or I haven't observed the thing doesn't make it real or whatever. But like, you know, I don't know anybody who's like done these light wave particle experiments, like all these different things, right? This is all information hand to do, handed to us from on high. So you got to. You got to go to the the elites to get the information. That's basically what it comes down to. We got to get a certain scientist on here, that's what we.

38:51 Need that would be dope. That would be and ask him about all the portals. The more would lose his fucking mind. Me and Jeff would be just grilling him on the portals. If if we do, we're going to have the moron as a guest host. Kid says vitamin C is good for you. You can't say that. Well, actually, I think you could say that now, but you used to not be able to say that. If you said vitamin C is good for you, like four or five years ago, you got 14. Remember that. That was a fun time. She's stuck in a horror movies 14. She said that he well, horror movies 14 was saying that he's getting us all kinds of watchers, right. Yeah, we. Should And she's saying, well, you did it on your couch and that Hormuz, 14, said that caters is evil. And then she said vitamin C is good for you. The more you guys send me that link man, I love that. Shit, we hit 50.

39:46 We we should be getting a notification that we're Twitch affiliated now. Thanks everybody. We appreciate that you guys did it. I see it. That's awesome. I see 49. I see 49. You guys did. It but I do I appreciate that's awesome. You guys are amazing. Thank you very much. But you guys ready to move on? Yeah, All right. Let's get this over with because I think we're almost done. Hold on. I think something just happened with my audio, can you guys hear me? Yeah, you're far away. You just got kicked off your mic. I don't know if it's gonna let you back in. Jeff, you're a butt hole. Jeff, you're a real anus these days. I'm gonna.

40:33 Have to leave and come back man. Yeah, go ahead, get get over with, man. I'll wait for you here for a second. Don't wait for him, just just go ahead. Yeah, I'm probably not going to. Horror Movies 14 says caters his butt hole. Thank you Horror Movie 14. We really appreciate it. Or movies. Sorry, 14 freaking Jeff. Just act like you're in the middle of it when he comes back on. We got the more thank you appreciate you I'm gonna go ahead and open that up.

41:16 I got to pause that so that. Thanks, Jake. You're welcome, Kenzer. I love the chat. It's funny. For those that are on Spotify right now, I apologize for this, for this Dead Space. This is all Jeff's fault. Yep, Jeff's a total cuck. And then so the electromagnetics. Does it sound OK? Jeff's a cuck. Everyone knows huge. Sound good? No, it's not. Bad dude I got this fucking cable bro like oh man. That's a cable's fault. A better cable you. Cuck. That's good mic. Shitty cable. Bad design here. Bad design here all. Right. So just as a little precursor, we're going to start talking about the biological effects or we're going to, I'm going to quickly refer to the biological effects that happen when people come in close contact or close proximity of UAP. So think like Rendle sham, right? How we had like people who were getting cancer or autoimmune diseases and shit like that.

42:25 So we're going to start talking about that here, too. Sounds good, all right. You know you're still sharing the same pictures, right? Yes, I want to. I want to stay on that. Jeff, shut up. You're always talking. Actually, he's there. We could probably. You're always talking in this podcast. I thought he was going to say he was going to talk about the biological effects of coming in contact with non ionizing and ionizing radiation because that's what's on the screen here. But I guess European nerd and everyone knows. All right, we get it. Yeah, you're right. We'll we'll, we'll bring this up. There we go. That's probably a better one. We'll go to that. Oh yeah, so I can derail this whole thing on fucking Wi-Fi and 5G.

43:08 Let's go for it. So with the biological effects being reported on humans in drastic numbers throughout history that have come into contact with these UAP or at least within close proximity of them, as well as a phenomenon of lost time. I'm apartment to believe that this gravitational manipulation technology that they are theorized to use by Puthof works mostly on the high frequency side of the spectrum due to the high frequency side also being responsible for ionizing radiation. Ionizing radiation can alter human body cells in DNA. The energy in the high frequency ionizing radiation side of the spectrum is enough to remove an electron from an atom or molecule causing it to become ionized.

43:52 This causes cancer in humans by literally breaking bonds. This is yet again backed by backed up by the enormous number of reports that include white, whitish blue and blue lights that accompany UAP sightings and abduction events. Yes, there are other colors reported at times, but nowhere near the frequency of blue and white. All all right, back to the external lights of UAP. So Elizondo and Puthoff explained that these craft, such as the one that is well documented in the now famous Gimbal video, very well could be using a space-time distortion field technology that utilizes gravitational manipulation via massive amounts of energy. This space-time distortion field would only have so far of a reach and would most likely take on the dimensions of a sphere. Possibly another reason why we see a ton of reports of spheres and saucer shaped craft.

44:54 It's easy to believe that one centralized unit that utilizes this technology could cover the entirety of one of these spheres or saucer craft. But what about triangles or boomerangs, V shaped or even cigar shaped craft that are also commonly reported? What's funny is that these last three are commonly reported with lights. Lights that Elizondo states could be quote UN quote bubble makers. Think of it like this. In the case of having the ability to create a bubble of space that changes the literal space-time fabric around the vehicle, it would be absolutely critical to keep all portions of said vehicle inside of the bubble at all times.

45:38 You cannot have one portion of the object in one version of space-time and the other portion in another version of space-time. Things would go very bad very quickly, so it is of the utmost importance to ensure that the craft is covered on all sides 100% of the time. In the case of the scar shaped craft, one light that acts as one of these bubble makers could be enough to cover the entirety of the ship. Another popular shape that is often reported is the triangle with lights on all three tips and another one right dead center in the middle of the object. Now imagine each of these lights with a bubble around them. Depending on the the reach of the diameter of the bubble, this could cover the entirety of the craft. Then there is the V shaped craft as spotted famously in the Phoenix Lights event.

46:30 Each one of these lights were evenly spaced out as well. Could each one of those lights be a bubble maker being turned on as we see slowly occurring from the inner lights towards the outer sides in the famous video? But why would these bubble makers look like lights? Why would you spend all of this time on lights? Well, if this is in fact the technology outlined by PUDOV and they are utilizing extremely high amounts of energy. Radioactive energy fits the bill perfectly by the way. And this energy is causing biological effects on humans, again, ionizing radiation, and they are using gravitational forces to create said time space bubbles, which as per Einstein's theory of general relativity, claims that light waves will react to. The light being shown by all of this energy exerted from the technology would show as blue or bluish white lights. They would be outside the craft behind some sort of radiation shielding to protect any biologics on the inside of the craft, and they would appear to us viewing them from the ground or from our own aircraft in blue, shifted to the higher, more compressed side of the spectrum due to the higher force of the gravitational pull being applied by the unit to create the space-time bubble.

47:59 Therefore, according to Elizondo and Puthoff, the external lights on UAP or UFOs are not the human purpose external lights that we would love to apply to them. They very well could be devices that produce a space-time bubble around the craft that allows the UAP to move in incredible ways that defy our understanding of the laws of physics that appear to us as blue, white or bluish white lights due to the blue shift applied by the gravitational manipulated technology used by what Elizondo refers to as the bubble makers. All done. But wouldn't that just be it? Would it would?

48:42 Wouldn't that just cause the entirety of the craft to show up in a blue light then? Not specific locations like on the tips of the triangle. No, because so you think of it as like so these, these waves coming off of this, this machine, right. We'll call it a machine or component, whatever. Think of it as flux waves coming off of a magnet. OK. Right, so here magnetic flux waves. Yeah. So right here, this guy, OK, so as as the lights come out, you're you're seeing the lights like let's say this, this part is facing downwards towards the ground. Sure, right here.

49:37 OK, this is where you're seeing it. Now. These are all very thin, but this is where it's all bulked up, right here in the. Middle. OK, now if you look at the, what was it, the gimbal film Gimbal UAP, you can see that this has an aura around it. Yeah, OK, Now this this video right here is one of the only videos that were ever where the the flare camera was able to actually lock on to the object itself. So like the the tic tac, the go fast, right? The the flare system, we talked about this at large, Jake, you and I, right.

50:25 The flare system had a hell of a time it could not lock onto it. Right, it was going way too fast. Correct. This was going incredibly fast. A Don't click on that. Don't click on that link. Someone go ahead and get rid of that please. Get rid of that. Kid already did it. Kid was on it quick. Dope. Oh yeah, kid. Thank you. Thank you. This was one of the one of the rare instances, or at least one of the the the publicly released instances where the flare was able to lock on and we can get a good image of of what we can see as an aura.

51:07 Which is crazy that they're able to lock on or something like that. Yeah, right. Now we, we should watch this video real quick because this video is absolutely fucking nuts. Do it can we can when you got. When you got bring that up, I got it. Just let just let me know when you have it up. I'll stop. Showing, I don't know, man. There's just a lot of assumptions and all that, you know? Which is that? Gimbal. Gimbal there there was a lot of assumptions in like why these things would be causing these lights right, like if it was this if it was that, then this and this and I I hear I'm tracking with what you were saying in there, but I'm good you got it and a lot of ifs. No, I mean, it's, it's not perfect, but I'll tell you it's, it's a very intriguing explanation. I, I find it, I find it to make one of, it's one of the explanations that make more sense than than a lot of other things that I hear come out of a lot of other people's mouths say.

52:14 That yeah, I mean, you know what's it's weird to me 'cause like you guys remember the drones in New Jersey thing, right? Like in I don't know if any of you guys, I don't know if any of you guys saw like which came out about that, but they were just they literally said it was fucking authorized, authorized fights. That's like. Yeah, that's bullshit. Yeah, that's. Look at that thing, Jake. That's fucking nuts. That's pretty crazy. And the aura it's creating, it looks just like a magnetic field. It's brighter. It looks like there's spots of brightness on the top and bottom versus the sides. If you watch it when it rotates, it doesn't rotate it. It rotates very.

53:05 What's the word I'm looking for? Like it looks like somebody's rotating it via a joystick. Watch Now Elizondo breaks down this video and he talks about how this thing just just fucks with the people who's recording it. Looks like it's being tilted with a joystick with minor adjustment right? Like that's what it looks like. So don't. Don't play it again. Don't play it again. Go ahead, Jeff, Talk about it. I I'm just saying like man, like there's a lot of there's more evidence to show that these Uaps are are literally man made craft than than not. I mean, like I just said, the way that it's tilting in my opinion, it looks like it's a minor adjustments on a joystick, right?

53:55 I'm. Going to, I'm going to tell you right now how that's not possible. But I agree, Jeff, I I see it. Yeah, I just like it goes from like sideways to just like there it is the. Lighting right Like you gave a a long explanation of like a theory on what the lighting could be, but also like a much simpler answer which is usually the the the right answer is. Occam's razor, right? Right. The the simpler answer is yeah, if you gotta put fucking lights on your aircraft, bro, like even if it's some black budget aircraft, there's going to be some kind of fucking navigation lights on there. So. But that's an. One, that's an aura, OK, That also that is that is showing up black on white hot, OK, that's unheard of. There's no exhaust signature to that whatsoever, like. Zero.

54:44 I'm not saying that there's not. It's not using crazy technology that we might think of as like alien technology because it's just so advanced, but. But here just just check, check it out. OK, let me let me point this out for you. All right. That thing, we could agree that that thing is somewhat in the ballpark of what we would call saucer shaped, right? Probably, yeah. Right. Or kettlebell shaped, sort of kind of. Thing, right? Yeah, yeah, definitely. So with those clouds moving as fast as they were moving in the background of it, it's safe to say that that thing was kicking up some sort of speed. I think it wasn't stationary, 120 knots so. Right, which is what, 130 something miles an hour? Right.

55:30 I'll do the math on it, but yeah. It's 1.1 mph. OK. Yeah, right. Yeah. So it's like 100 and 35136. So wouldn't you think that the wind resistance, once it turned its flat side straight, would slow that thing down? It would unless there had just what? Do you mean Not necessarily. Well, I mean, like I could point to like conventional aircraft right now that don't operate like that. Look at drones. Look at literally like a quadcopter drone, like a race drone. When those things tilt forward, they pick up speed. Or a helicopter, even just a regular helicopter as it tilts forward like that. They have props.

56:12 They have. They have. Literal. Literal power generation. These things are not showing any exhaust nothing. That's the key. Just because it's not showing an exhaust or showing any type of heat signature or anything like that, it doesn't mean that there isn't one right? Like this is probably, in my opinion, this is advanced cloaking technology is what it is. The, the, the, the governments, the military, the contract, whoever it is that's building these things. They developed the next level of stealth, which is no signature on these 4th generation sensors, right? Like we've been using pretty much the same radar technology and sensing technology for a long time now.

56:53 Most of our adversaries have that technology now. So the 5th generational shit or 6th generation, whatever generation we're on, right? The one we're moving into the next generation of shit is not going to put off. Heat signatures is not going to put off. It's going to be like stealth fighters to the extreme with this type of stuff. That's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking they've figured out a way. Hey, if we point our own high, fucking super expensive camera shit right from aircraft carriers, let's point those at our new stuff and see what they see. Oh shit, it's showing up black on a white hot. It's like we're not seeing the heat signatures. Under ass? What if it wasn't moving, but it was moving the space around it? That's what I've just spent that entire thing talking about that, that was the whole explanation of the exterior lighting was talking about how it's moving the the space-time around it. He also says Or if we're in a simulated reality, it's just like a cursor moving on a screen. I'm all for.

57:57 Like that's crazy. You guys know, I'm the first one to be all for like a wild, you know, like let's go down the rabbit hole on like some deep thing. But with this, to me personally, it just seems clear cut. The governments of the world are working on the next level of stealth technology and it's beyond the capabilities of picking it up with whatever that camera was, right? Like that's what they're doing and they're running tests. I mean, I think that the New Jersey thing was another test. Like they're doing all these tests to see like, what is the level that we can go under the radar with these new drones or whatever they are, right? They could be banned. They could that the laws of physics are just laws and laws can be broken. That we, we here here in this podcast may not have any of the capability to break the laws of physics, but they certainly could be broken if you had the right technology and the right know how.

58:57 I think that the reason why this, this gimbal or this, you know, UAP or whatever can shift and not have the excess wind resistance then stopping it in its tracks or causing it to slow down incredibly could be from just our own scientists being able to break the laws of physics of wind resistance of, you know, whatever, right? And even them in themselves, the laws of physics, like in quotes. It could just be a theory, like it's just what we've observed over time. So what's to say that's not incorrect or it's not wrong, right? Like you couldn't have a certain angle that deflects when in such a way that when you change maneuvers like that, you know, maybe it doesn't cause so much winter resistance. Like you breakthrough the wind.

59:51 The wind just kind of shears off these sorts of angles and stuff. Like from a far out perspective, we're seeing this gimbal object as well. Yeah. I mean, it looks like it looks like a top, right? It looks like it has. Round sides and has a top and it has a bottom, stuff like that. We're not seeing it close up where it might have sheer angles all around it. Same way we have our stealth technology where it deflects radar because of the crazy angles and geometry to the aircraft skin, right. It could be in the exact same way. So when when hits it in a certain direction, it doesn't affect it as a negative pushback to slow the vehicle down because it's actually breaking the wind apart and it's sharing off, right.

1:00:40 So I mean, there could be things like that. Certainly you know this this object is obviously very big, right, especially if AF18IS tracking it or any sort of jet is tracking it. But we could have other sorts of technologies that don't necessarily have to do with stealth in the terms of of radar, but certainly in like wind resistance and things like that. That being said, though, I can't imagine there's a vehicle out there that's flying so fast and able to do these 90°, you know, all these sorts of things that isn't a drone because it would scramble the human brain like a like a fried egg, right?

1:01:23 Yeah. I'm pretty sure that you'd. Be done, I'm pretty. Sure, it's drones of some kind, right? So I was, you know, I mean. Certainly has to be right, but. Joystick Movie. Right. What about the multiple domain capabilities of it? Like what about the the abilities of it to go into the water without even? Plasma. That's crazy. That is plasma. Definitely crazy. The only thing I can think of there is if they aerated the water before they penetrated. And you know how they do that? By fucking with the the time space around it. I mean, yeah, they could, it could be, listen, it's possible that humans have figured out a way to to bend space-time, right? Like maybe, sure, but with plasma technologies, you could do that kind of thing, right?

1:02:07 And they've they're pretty much dial. Explain. Well, plasma is like another medium, right? Like so, and it has like a whole bunch of its own interesting properties. And when you like electrify and magnetize plasma in certain ways, it can go trans medium too without creating disturbances in in like surface tension and stuff like that, right. So like plasma. I mean, I don't know, I'm not a fucking physicist enough to be able to like explain plasma on that kind of level to you. But it plasma is like when you, I think when they run electricity through gas at a certain voltage or something, I'm probably fucking this up.

1:02:49 It creates, sure. Well, there's plenty of types of plasma you could blood plasma right? So right I'm. Talking, I'm talking about like the the Plas, the ethereal plasma energy, right? Like when the. Rockets are coming in like those guys on, gosh, that one YouTube channel where they're trying to make a lightsaber where they have burning plasma, right type stuff. Right, OK, that's a type of plasma, right. So, but when you when you manipulate plasma, I guess that's the right phrase in the right kind of way, right. Like there are experiments that where they have done weird shit. I mean, a lot of this is on like the Thunderbolts project shit, which I always to talk about, but it can go trans medium. You can send it into water and not disturb like the surface tension on the water, right?

1:03:36 Like it'll go from air to water without breaking that that seal, if you will, on like a still plane of water. Does that make sense? Like it's not going to create a splash. You could go that hard or you could go very minute because the surface tension of water can be broken by something as simple as throwing a stone in there. And then you breakthrough in the same way if you were to jump from a high dive, right? And it's a super flat and you know, not changing just body of water you're about to go into. If you throw something heavy into that and it stirs up the water, then you break that surface tension. So maybe at 100 feet you won't shatter your legs right type stuff. Blow one of those up, Jeremy, because this is probably going to this will probably do a better as you right. Click it.

1:04:25 You have to get the atoms moving right. You can't right click. The switch. So then it's like hitting concrete or so. Open image and new tab or new and then you're going to have to re share. There you go boom. OK. OK. OK, so I don't know how this is going to really explain what I was explaining, but this kind of does just like visually looking at the diagram, right? Solid, liquid gas, you see like the different how the molecules are like dispersed and and the the viscosity. Let's use that word, the viscosity of the matter, right? If it's sure and plasma is like this other, right? It's like in other thing, so it can go transmit, it can go through air, water like and so if you have a craft, if you have a man made craft, you're somehow electrifying plasma around the outside of this thing, creating basically a force field, force field technology using plasma.

1:05:23 You could fly this thing into the ocean as we've seen in some of these videos and stuff. So I'm not saying that's what it is. I'm just saying that there's more evidence things that we have built could do these things, then they have to be some like crazy fucking. Yeah, I could see that. So the only just to put this up there, the only particles that are known to man that can pass through solid objects or other matter are called neutrinos. Plasma isn't. This isn't a neutrino. It's not. No, I didn't. No, I specifically didn't say it could pass through solids.

1:06:03 Well, I mean. Now, when you talk about videos of like these objects going into the sides of mountains and stuff, I mean like, that's a whole other thing. I mean, we could get into like, you know, interdimensional stuff or, or spiritual stuff or whatever. Like that's kind of where I would lean into those. It's like I think. It's the it's the Bat Cave from the old Batman movies. He's going towards the waterfall for full speed and goes through it and everyone's freaking out. Nope, he's in the bat cave now. Well, you've also got like hologram technology and camouflaging, right? Like if you don't think that even the US military, like, OK, you remember back in the day in order to camouflage infantry, you would just put up like these camo Nets in the jungle, right?

1:06:46 So that as planes would fly over, you couldn't see the shit. You don't think the military has like some version of projection or hologram projection technology? Now they've showed. That through like it's not even anything super duper crazy it's like a pile of glass that has a like a refractive sort of lens to it on the backside and you stand in front of it and makes your image incredibly blurry to the point where you mold into the background like it's that crazy but yeah, you. Know, and I'm sure they probably have 'cause they remember like 20 years ago they were coming out with the directed energy, like Audible, Yeah, riot control stuff. And they use that too.

1:07:30 It's right. So, you know, that's the same type of technology. You could use light and things like this to create holograms, projected holograms using directed energy and, and I'm sure they have cloaking projections. Like I'm sure a facade of a mountain is seen somewhere on Groom Lake and really that's a hanger door. It just, it's a projected projection, you know what I mean? So. Smokescreen or something like that. For anyone who doesn't know, the US military has a device that it turns sound waves into a weapon and where it makes your skin feel like it's on fire as a riot control tactic. It's so dope.

1:08:14 It's so diabolical and dope. I love it. So these, there's only a few of these in the world, but these right here are called neutrino detectors. And they're these massive buildings that they build underground, usually in mountains that are that are, they're heavily insulated. And all of these are, are sensors, right? All this is the sensors. This is that's water, which also cover also cover sensors. But this is literally isolated completely so that the only thing that can get in here is a neutrino, and that's what they're looking for. What do they use those for?

1:08:57 I mean, besides detecting neutrinos, right? But like. That's all they do with it is detect and study neutrinos. Well, do you guys remember that guy that went on Sean Ryan's podcast that was claiming that the neutrino detector installations weren't just for that, but they were also? They're making like arcanes and earthquakes and stuff. They. Were putting out energy right as as Direct Energy weapons, you know, so I don't think they're just sensors. It'd be interesting, yeah. What's that one? This is this is a what you call it. This is like CERN. The accelerator, yeah. This this is not. This is not the one from CERN, but this is similar. That's pretty dope.

1:09:42 Gosh, yeah, I don't know. Humans build. Humans build crazy shit, bro. Like we're literally look at that CERN thing. Like we literally out there, it's, it's just trying to find out what's real information and what's bullshit. Yeah, yeah, you know, you know, and like. We build the craziest stuff. Look at that neutrino detector facility that's under the ice in Antarctica. Like they have stuff like that. OK, look at that. Go back to that picture you had up a second ago of the the other one, the CERN, right, The roundabout, the little roundabout, Right. Like I want. Yeah, CERN. I don't remember the exact number, but that particle accelerator is probably like if you track, like if you trace the whole circle and everything, it's probably miles.

1:10:23 It's probably like 20 miles. OK, you can see the dots moving. That's dope. Yeah, this giant fucking magnetic electromagnetic tunnel that's full of. Crazy dude. It's 50 miles. I don't know how it is huge, right? It's the whole city. You see it there there. You go LHC Large Hatcher on a Collider. Go up a little bit, they do. There's one where it shows it on a on the ground, like overlaid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even if they're contacting demons like. See how big that is? That is so cool. Humans build the craziest shit, so I'm pretty sure we can build Uaps man. Pretty sure we can build with all this technology that they that they've been playing with for 40 years. I'm pretty sure we can build some UAP drivers and. Feel the same way.

1:11:10 I think that we absolutely can. I think that we, and rightly so. The US government or the black budget projects that Jeff always talking about. I mean, it could be Lockheed or another Grumman who who cares, Boeing, but they don't have to tell the populace about what we're building. And if they did, it would be detrimental because of national security and things like that. But I, I feel like at what point are they gonna actually come out with it versus just saying, oh, it's the aliens, the aliens is the aliens, unless they're using it for a cover up of something else, right? Like, well, bigger plan, right? You know? Listen, conspiracy theories and and like the talk of aliens and all this type of stuff is good for these programs because it muddies the waters, man. Yeah, I mean, it draws attention for sure. Yeah, they didn't fund and propagate a lot of this stuff themselves, right?

1:12:05 Because it throws off the scent. So, you know, Intel agencies will literally go out there and put out, you know, crazy conspiracy theories about stuff just to get you all fucked in the information. I'll tell you what, I would absolutely love to be on one of these projects and I would feed you guys a line of bullshit every single. I would absolutely be like, yeah, man, I don't know, the aliens keep coming and shutting off our stuff. It's crazy. And Jeff would be going crazy about it. And here I am working on the next UAP project. It'd be dope. Here's the thing about, here's the thing about the, the Collider, not to go too far off the rail here, but like the thing about this Hydron Collider thing is like there's a, there's a few key points, right #1 You could talk about like the Gothard based tunnel ceremony, that Satanic ritual they did at the Gothard based tunnel, which was part of the CERN tunnel, the CERN opening thing. So that's all connected and there's like a bunch of weird stuff there.

1:13:08 But then if you look at it like it's all geometrical shapes and patterns. And one could argue, well, that's just the universe and you need to utilize and harness these geometrical shapes and patterns in order to get the results of manipulating elements and things like that or whatever particles and shit, right? So like, I, I get that argument if, you know, I get that. But also it is really weird that you look into like witchcraft or fucking any type of a cult stuff. Kabbalah, like you see the same geometric pattern. So there is something there too. Yeah, Kamala, there's some stuff there too. That's odd right to me. But then what's really interesting is that people think they build CERN to look for like the God particle or something like that.

1:13:52 That's not really what happened. They built the facility with a lot of capabilities inside of it. They probably had a couple of goals that they had already, but people could go and do their own studies. So like if you were a fucking physicist at Boston University or some shit, you could put in an application or whatever and go and like do an experiment using CERN, right? It's a, it's a, it's a, it's like, no, you can't. It's literally a thing that you can do, right? Just like you can, just like you can use, just like you can use a lot of the telescopes around the world that are looking out into quote UN quote space, right? Like you can put in a request to do an experiment and if your experiment is valid, like they'll, they'll point the thing where you want and do the whole thing. OK, But nobody really knows what the, like, everything's compartmentalized right?

1:14:41 At CERN, for instance, like this guy doesn't know everything that's going on, which is smart. Yeah, of course. So, but nobody knows what the real goal was. Like, was the real goal to open portals and talk to fucking demons? Because there's that's the conspiracy talk, right? That's what they're doing. So that that's the whole thing. It's just like they they build crazy, that shit. And they could do whatever the fuck they want with it. And they'll also let you play with it too. But they have their own nefarious reasons. And it taps into like weird magic. It's in like demonic practices and witchcraft and shit like that. I agree with that. I think that that's the problem with having unlimited resources, going to black budget projects, anything that's outside of the federal government where they have, you know, and and that's the problem with and I'm not going to I'm not going to tie that reel that in.

1:15:35 I'm not going to say, Oh, well, all, you know, private contractors are or private businesses working for the federal government. How do you have to be reeled in now and then controlled by the federal government? So as a, you know, person that believes in freedom, it's a really weird position because you're at one point saying government, you have no control over this business because they aren't you. They're working with you and you hire them on. And at the other side, it's saying, you know, what are these private businesses doing right? Whereas they, they don't have the right or they, they shouldn't have or not the right, but they, they don't have the, they, they can't then just be like, oh, well, we're working for the government. So now we have to tell you what we're doing. Absolutely not right.

1:16:31 So we're kind of this weird limbo mode with them. But I agree with what you're saying, Jeff, But we've got gotten super off the rails for this episode. So how does it have to do with the lights on the ships, you know? It doesn't. That's why I said I was going to derail it and start talking about some other shit. Right. So. So, yeah, so I'm. I'm in the same boat, Jeff. I understand. I mean, like, I'm like, yeah, I mean, they're working for the government. They have all this unlimited resources, all this sort of stuff, you know, where they're working on it. But they're private industry. It's not like you drive a FOIA request to the federal government where they have to tell you what's going on. It's a private industry. They don't have to tell you, but I want them to tell us. That'd be dope.

1:17:14 But I guess my point, would that wreck national security? Would it wreck our ability to go to the next planet or whatever The thing is, right? Are we making a base under the ocean? You know what is the thing that's going to get wrecked by us? Demanding for these companies to divulge what they're actually working on? Right. I think my point was just more so that like, humans build really crazy stuff and there's no limit. There's no limit to the secrecy and there's no limit to the weird. Like Spooky, like reasons for building these crazy things. It's not just like, hey, let's build it because it's like amazing, you know? It's like there's also a cult people that are like, yo, we need to build this so that we can talk to fucking demons.

1:17:56 There are people that. Have that belief, right. So it's like. Or we need to build this to pass in the next realm or whatever it is. Like, like, yeah, of course there's always, always a weirdo in the bunch that turns everyone over to the weird stuff. Absolutely. Freak. Freak, right? Why is there a statue of Shiva in the front? Like it just fucking gave me the. Yeah, there's always that, absolutely. And I think at some point for myself, like, I'd like to know certainly, you know what, what is actually going on. But then again, if I people are going to hate me for this, just like a Flat Earth conversation, if I still have to pay bills or taxes tomorrow, then who gives a shit? Oh, it'd be good to know.

1:18:43 But yeah, it's like, OK, well, here I am back at work. Well. Gosh, people hated that for Flat Earth. What did what did you guys think about the the topic or like the I don't know. Jeff derailed us so fast bro, I don't know what you said. Dude, he was flipping through Google. You were flipping through Google Images and CERN was on there and a bunch of other shit. Give me I've got a ton of topics just like this loaded in the chamber, ready to go. All right, look, I'm not, I'm not going to play with the chat with all the audience. I'm a little bit of an idiot.

1:19:28 So give me the Cliff Notes version of and I'm sick and I feel like crap. Give me the Cliff Notes version of the last talking point you had versus about the lights coming off of the aircraft. What do you mean? Dumb it down Barney style that thing. You know what I'm talking about. You had 19 year olds underneath you. Come on. What? What part though? What part were you talking about? Last one? Which? Which one? Which one? Last part? It's fun. Come on, you study enough you could dumb it down for me. Kind of. I don't even know how to repeat.

1:20:08 Come on bro. Hold on, let me bring the script back up. I don't remember where I was. Bubble makers. Yeah, the bubble. Makers What is the point of the bubble makers? The bubble makers is to create the the space-time fabric manipulator, the manipulation bubble. And that's what projects lights. The energy that is being used to create the space-time manipulation bubble presents itself as light. Light is a.

1:20:49 Form of energy and it's the it's the energy that they're using so because of the high amount of energy right which is being manipulated by a gravitational manipulation device OK because of the gravitational manipulation being used, it is compressing the wavelengths of the light, which is blue shifting the light. It's compressing the wavelengths right which is making it look blue, which is also making it towards or pushing it towards the ionizing radiation side of the spectrum, which is causing people to get sick, which also would be well, this is more or less supposed to be so I was supposed to do this in order this episode was supposed to come after an episode called the five observables of UAUAP flight, which we'll do the next time we don't have a guest and then I'll just put it in front of this episode so that it looks like we did this one after that one so it it it would make a lot more sense if we had done that one first definitely would have made a lot more sense. But basically the gist of of that episode in a nutshell because I'm not ruining it for anybody who's listening on like Spotify because they're going to

1:22:19 be listening to this episode. Second is that that episode covers basically. The gist. That Elizondo and Puthoff categorized that UAP flight characteristics come in five observables 1 hypersonic velocity, 2 instantaneous acceleration, 3 low observability, 4 transmedium travel and five anti gravity with a with a special bonus observational being that biological effects being what we had talked about the the ionizing radiation. Now, I don't want to get into all of it because there's some pretty heavy science in this, so I don't want to talk about it too in depth because we're going to end up going through this again.

1:23:21 But the gist of it talks about gravitational manipulation technology that this whole thing is based around, that really, and the effects of that gravitational technology has on the manipulation of the space-time bubble around it that it creates. So what about when they have lights but they're staying still? They're still using it. They can manipulate it just like like how we push the accelerator on our the gas pedal on our car, right, But that it's still present there.

1:24:02 You're still creating a combustion in your engine. It's just not at, it's not, you know, you're not creating it to the power that you need to go 90 miles an hour. Well, yeah, but I thought the whole thing was so the blue lights created from force exerted from the front as you're going forward. So if people are supposed to the lights. The blue lights are not being created by that no that. So you're confusing the the the actual motion of the craft with the the force being applied to the light beams by the gravitational device. Sure. So the gravitational device is acting like the cop car. It's it's.

1:24:51 It's a higher frequency light because it's a higher frequency light. It's shifting blue from your vision, your perspective. If it was a lower frequency light, it would be redder. So it's not the same Red and blue shift because of motion. It's because of higher frequency, which I mean we can get technical, but it's kind of the same thing. OK. Come on, what about when people see other colored lights like yellows? Is that mixture of the two.

1:25:31 Yeah, I'm, I'm honestly, I don't really know too much about it. I know that the most commonly seen colors are white and blue. As for the yellow, oranges, whatever, not sure what that is. Now, there is a, a very, very common correlation between blue light and medical issues with people who observe it. I think Officer Wheeler in the Elmwood incident, right, Blue light killed him. Ten months later, Rendlesham there. There's a lot there's there's a ton of them where the blue light literally kills people or causes cancer or autoimmune. Disease.

1:26:20 What if you're wearing glasses with blue light blockers? It's going to save your eyes, yeah. It's going to save your eyes and you're going to die of horrible cancer later. Yeah, this is all just talking about generalized blue shift, a red shift, so. Like this picture, That's where our brains work. When something's going away, it's got a red light. When something's going forward, it's got a blue light. Why we have aircraft with not red and blue but instead of red and green? Because I think there's something has to do with the speed at which you can see the lights as well. Like there's certain lights that your brain actually recognizes and sees quicker than other light. So a lot of like safety lights and stuff are set with colors that you see.

1:27:10 Like I know traffic lights, I think red is one that you see faster than blue. That's why your stop light is red, because like you'll see that quicker even if it's just like fraction of a millisecond, you know? Oh, so that's why they do aircraft and boats and all kinds of stuff with the red and greens versus the red and Blues. Yeah, there's something about that. I don't know exactly but. Yeah, they don't have any of the gravitational force, but basically redshift, blue shift and let's say general relativity. Like if you turn the LED on, I'm pretty sure if like your LED lights it when it's on, let's just say like there's a certain level of power hitting those lights.

1:28:01 If you flip it to blue, it's just going to be like a higher frequency, like a higher, I don't know if more energies, but I don't know how electricity works with LEDs to be honest with you. I don't know if like more energy is going in there or if it's just like fluctuating faster or something, but it's a more, it's a higher frequency of making it blue. It's. Just a diode. Yeah, I don't know how that works. I'm not. Smart. So maybe if you were in tune with that, being able to observe frequencies, you might be able to pick that up, that shift that change the diode allowing more energy through to create that light. When you see a red light and intersection light post moving away from you, No, no, no. I don't think that that necessarily means that that's the only reason you see different color lights. I think that if you have a white light, right or a yellow light, a light that's in our visible spectrum and you and you move it away from us.

1:28:59 Well, I mean, this is what they say about space. I mean, this is a ridiculous fucking thing in my opinion, because it would have to be moving so far so fast in order to do redshift and blue shift right. So I I'm, I'm with you, the more like it's questionable as fuck, but as far as just like in our verbable reality, you know, in our local space here. No, like, I mean, I, I don't think that that's how that applies. Jay, you see this picture? Here. Yes, Sir. You see how the light the the waves are are much tighter together? This is your Violet side of the spectrum right where this is. This would be your blue shift side, then your red shift side where where the lights are much more spaced out.

1:29:39 Now let's say that this right here or this, this is the Doppler effect, right? Whatever this is, this is showing you that the object here in the middle of this this screen is moving in this direction. OK, Now if this if this was all spaced out, every one of these rings would be one color. OK, You may see like a rainbow effect where it would be a a darker color in the middle and slowly get brighter as it goes from the outside. But because you're start, you see the the the darker colors, the the blue shift on the right with the tighter frequency lines on the right side and the the red shift on the left with the looser frequency lines on the left.

1:30:26 This is something that's moving now. If you now this is better showing you something with with sound. OK. Now if you replace the the cop car with with a gravitational body, right? So instead of a planet, this is a device that can manipulate gravity, something that can create a an amplified gravitational force at will. So it's taking some form of energy. Now you know the the equation E equals MC squared, right?

1:31:09 Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. So what that means is that basically energy and mass are equal, right? You can use energy and mass for the same thing, OK, but you need much more energy than you need mass. It's like how it works. You you only have so much mass to a bullet and use so much powder to accelerate it to the destination of whatever it's hitting. Right, Right. You could do it equal and it would just come out the barrel and fall down, or it wouldn't move at all. You'd go above that and that projects it to the next thing, even though there's drop or rise or whatever it is.

1:31:54 Yeah, sure. Right. So basically the gist is, you know, we use mass for our fuel, right? We use liquid, mostly combustion engines. We could potentially create some sort of device engine motor that uses energy instead. But the problem with that is, is that we would need a shit ton of it. Something along the lines of where where we would need one unit of mass. The energy equivalent of that would equal that one unit of mass times the speed of light squared.

1:32:37 That's how much of that energy we would need in comparison to the the mass. So that's the whole point of E equals MC squared is just the proof of energy equaling mass like they they are one in the same energy and mass is one in the same thing. This is also shown you in the double slit experiment like this is this is all this stuff ties together. So basically this gravitational manipulation device, instead of using a planet size mass object, which we obviously can't do, it's using somehow some way in incredible amount of energy, OK, it's using something we don't know what that energy is. That's the big question about UAP and and this gravitational device is we don't know what this energy is, whatever. It is Doctor Greer's always been up to arms about right thing isn't is I want to talk to the aliens. It's like in order for us to get and he he says this I mean, he also talks about other beings, other entities, right, which I personally think that part of him is is the SIOP. But the other part that he talks about is that the these craft are powered by some energy,

1:34:07 right? And that energy is essentially a free energy technology. It has to be. It must, Yes, it must it. Has to be infinite. Well then. It has to be some kind of Tesla technology that's sucking energy out of the fucking ether somehow. That's something that's infinite, something that something that takes up zero like it it it it has 0 footprint, takes up no mass, but is infinite. So then, so how does that translate into light? So the energy itself energy when compressed and used. Makes heat. Often makes heat or light. Light is a form of energy, especially when used. Or it'll also make.

1:34:57 Or or it can come off as just Bitcoin. But. But yes, so as that gravitational manipulation device is burning through this energy, it is creating from what our eyes can perceive. It is creating light as perceived by our eyes and but due to the gravitational force compressing that energy in in what our eyes can perceive as light, it is showing as a blue light. Well, but that's in specific points and not covering the entire craft though, which is crazy to me. It it it covers in a it it works in a a very similar way of of a magnetic flux line.

1:35:40 So it does create a sphere. Like a toroidal field, yeah. And those points that you see, those light points that you see could be the points where the toroidal field, you know are coming in back on itself, which. Basically. Jake, Jake, if, if, if this was like where the the radar system were to go bad on the H60 and they were like, yeah, OK, we'll just land it. That's not how this works with this. If that shit goes bad mid flight, whatever part of that aircraft is no longer in the time space that the rest of the aircraft is in, It's really fucking bad. Like, like really, really fucking bad, OK. Like see that what I'm saying, dumb it down, give it, give me, give it to me in things I can understand. Shoot, you know, that's that's funny. That's dope, you know?

1:36:36 Did did we get there? Yeah, we got there. You had to compare it to like what we've worked on what I understand, right? No, no, it's fine. But yeah, it's, it's, it's just fucking mind bending shit, man. So. It's then what do you think about Elizondo's explanation of the light and stuff like that? Do you think that it's here's for you that it's that makes sense? Because I'm a science minded kind of guy and you know, I've, I, yes. Yeah, there you go. It does it it, it does it.

1:37:19 It makes a lot of sense. It's not perfect, but it's the best explanation. It's it's like everything else. Everything has holes. Sure. Right, everything. It's the best explanation except for the best explanation, which is they're fucking lights. You know, and that's, that's the thing, right? Because that's the thing we always go to is that why if they're so advanced and they travel interstellarly or they go through the Earth or blah, blah, blah, all this sort of thing is why do they need landing lights? Why do they need lights at all?

1:37:59 Why don't they have night vision capabilities? All that sort of stuff. It's the best explanation, even though I don't fully understand it. It's the best scientific explanation. Four lights on the outside of a craft that shouldn't need it versus the other side which is just like it's bullshit and they need lights. Yeah, yeah. And I'm telling, I'm telling you, I think it's going to all make better sense once we do the five flight characteristics. I think, I think it's all going to just pop a lot better because we're going to actually talk about the, we're going to talk about interstellar flight and stuff and, and, and how that makes sense and, and everything as well.

1:38:48 And I think it's going to come all from full circle. I really should have done that first. I've kind of fucked up, but it is what it is. We need some. We need something this this evening. It works out. Yeah. All right, help. All good. That's dope. I like it. Cool. But yeah, I, you know, just coming from my side of things, you know, I, I've read review after review after review of Elizondo's book and there is just absolutely just a, a plethora of people who hate on this book.

1:39:29 The Amor asks what is a negative field. Bro it's just like a field but the opposite. Easy to. Megaverse. Yeah, what do you mean? What do you mean by a negative field? The Megaverse, dude. What does he mean by a negative? Like the multiverse, but the negaverse. Everyone was negative downtrodden, like hey, good morning. They're like, what's so effing good about it? Was interesting to me too. I just want to point this out, going back to like the pictures you were showing earlier when it was just showing the spectrum and it was kind of showing like, hey look, the FM radio towers were on the red, the cell phones were on the red. Oh, but the nuclear shit, it's on the blue, right? Remember that one? Remember that picture? What is beyond like the ends of these spectrums on all these like?

1:40:16 No one knows pictures only right? You got to research it. What happens if you go like super low like to, you know, megaverse frequencies like what happens? Yeah, man, I I don't know, man. I have no idea. Somebody didn't fucking study on it. Find that I'm. I'm sure. I'm sure it wasn't me. Not yet at least. Anyways, going back to Elizondo's book right there, there's a ton, an absolute shit ton of negative reads on that book. And I mean, I get it. I get it. Everyone likes to hate on government shills.

1:40:59 And you know, I picked up the book and that's what I was expecting to do. I was expecting to pick it up and be like, Yep, this guy's a shill. This is this is shit. This is garbage. But I spent I. I, I breezed through books like really fast. It took me two months to get through that book because I had to literally dissect things. He he explains things, but he does not break them down into their smallest parts. And he kind of assumes that you have a basic understanding of physics where majority of the population does not. So in order to explain it on the infinite rabbit hole, I had to try to break it down the best I could. And I, I, I think that a lot of people will pick up that book and they just get lost and they think it's just a bunch of bullshit.

1:41:54 But if you take time to actually look at what he's trying to say, I think that the book is amazing. I think it's an amazing read. If not, it's at least a really good hypothetical thought exercise for how UAP could work. And I I think it's it's just a great book. It's one of my favorite books I have in my collection now. Honestly, I would love to pick that guy's mind. Even if he is a government shell and it is what it is. Be honest with you. Bet. Yeah, call me Shell. Go ahead, Jeff. Yeah, your story bro. You. Want me to call him for you? See if he'll pull it out for you, let you play with it. I've actually.

1:42:39 Already I've already reached out to him to see. If he'll. Come on the show, let me see that thing. I want to touch it. Good for you bro. Actually, actually, actually. Actually. I have gotten a a reply from from a Sir from a a Mr. Mr. Blink 182. Huh. Cool. Yeah. Bring him on here so I can, I can, you know, be a Dick to him. That'd be cool. Mr. Mr. Tom Delong. Bring Elizondo on here too so I can call him a shill to his fucking face.

1:43:22 That'd be cool too. Yeah, but Tom Delong politely declined. Why? Yeah, he said that we're not important enough. He's like you guys. Suck. We're burning his house down. Let's go blame it on LA fires. We got this. He said. He said no, you guys get bigger, be more important. And yeah, no, no, you just say, hey, I'm not doing podcasts at the time. You know, I was going to say I was, I was going to be like, you know what that sounds like? That sounds like everything he says. Bullshit. That's what he sounds like. It's not important enough to give to the little guys in his bullshit. Nah, Nah, he was, he was.

1:44:03 He was super nice about his reply, man, But it probably wasn't even him. It was probably just like the representative. Yeah, just like this or whatever one on it. Sure it's. Probably a copy paste reply. Oh. Yeah, 100. Percent automated fucking reply bot dude. Dear Sir or ma'am? Insert podcast name here. Yeah, to your insert podcast name here. We regret to inform you that you suck and we will never come there. Damn you just passed my fucking racism like when he was a fucking clock over here dude, maybe I should. Cry about it. Everybody. I might. Yeah, I fucking might.

1:44:43 Do it off the podcast though, we don't want the negative reviews from you crying and acting like a bitch. Yeah, take that. All right. Well, just thanks to chat good chat tonight. Lots of live chat we got. We made it to 50 followers, everybody. I appreciate. That Oh yeah, guys. Really do appreciate that we'll get our affiliate status. We'll be able to make money off of Twitch. That's cool. We'll be able to support the show, maybe be able to do cooler things, maybe be able to afford Tom Delonge. Good job horror movies 14. We appreciate you.

1:45:24 Thank you so much. All right, everybody, well, that has been another oh wait, I will not be here next month. Next week I am going to the Dominican. So it'll. Be a sack of crap. Yeah, I'm going. To fly, I'm going to get into a plane crash because. Hell yeah, just. Fly. You can't fly. You're getting. Sucked out the door when it it gets blown out. Oh man, that's because you don't have a fucking. DEI pilot bro or DEI traffic controller or DEI maintenance fucking guy or DE? We're going. To get on here and be like we regret to. Inform you but this. Podcast is shutting down because Jeremy got sucked out of at 35,000 feet. Oops as far.

1:46:08 We regret to inform you that Decoding Reality is not coming July 1st. That's right, that's fun. Live stream of Jeremy's funeral. That's what's gonna be. That's messed up. Good luck dude. It's not fun anyways, so it'll be just Jake and Jeff. Maybe forever. We'll see. Hopefully not, but yeah, I'll be in the Dominican. And then the week after that, we've got a, we've got a, an entire team of paranormal investigators, including a demonologist, yeah. Excited. Jesus. Personally recommended from Skeeter. So that'll be fun.

1:46:54 That'll be fun. Jake's going to fight this guy. I'm going to, I'm going to show up at his place and knife him. It's going to be great. No, that's gonna be cool, dude. I can't wait. I'm stoked. And then, yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm working on some pretty big, some pretty big guests, yeah, a lot of talks about plane, plane crashes in the chat right now. It's awesome. I. Appreciate the love, guys. Horror movies, 14 says Fight Points is go No, it's gonna be I love that sort of stuff. It's it's creepy, but I love it. It's going to be great. All right, I've, I've, I've teased Jeff enough. I'll let him get to sleep Until next time, travelers. This has been another episode of the Infinite Rabbit Hole podcast.

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