233. Coco Sian Ryder: Hidden Shadows of a Secret World

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Welcome back to The Infinite
Rabbit Hole.

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I'm your host, Jeremy, and
tonight we have a special guest,

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somebody who is going to break
open her story, let us see

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beneath the covers what went on
and what goes on in her life and

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her family's.
I like to introduce everybody

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today to Coco Sayon writer, our
guest coming in all the way from

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halfway across the world.
How are you today, Coco?

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How am I this morning at 3:30
AM?

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I'm half decent, thank you.
So so tell us, tell us a story.

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You you took a three hour nap
ish.

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No, I tried to take a nap and I
couldn't sleep at all.

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I took a nap around 2:00 today,
2:00 PM and and that didn't

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really satiate my my need for
sleep at all.

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I've been like suffering from
severe insomnia for like 3 days

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so I'm surprised I am
functioning at all, but it might

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actually work to our benefit
that I'm slightly tired.

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Slightly tired.
I also got a little shot of

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adrenaline just before recording
this.

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Evening.
Or she's she's in the Theta,

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she's got Theta brain waves
going on right now since she's

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like, so she's going to be
locked in.

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She's going to be in that flow
state the whole time.

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Watch.
I hope so.

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I hope so.
I really hope.

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So, so Jeff, do you have
anything before we get into

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this?
No, not really.

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As Spectrum Assassin has
noticed, I have achieved matter

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displacement.
I am no longer on the couch, I

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am here at the desk.
So teleportation confirmed.

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Yeah, she, the boss of the
house, let him move off the

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couch.
That's good.

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Yeah, honestly, the couch is
cool and it's a it's a good

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frame, but it's not comfortable
to sit on for an hour, 2 hours,

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whatever.
So I just moved back to the game

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chair.
It's just more comfortable.

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Feels more professional to sit
at the desk now.

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Yeah, but you know, I'm not a
professional guy.

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Look at me.
You know, like sleep.

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On camera all the time.
Yeah, I fall asleep on the couch

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midstream like you.
Look, you look pretty

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professional to me.
Thanks I appreciate it.

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Shout out the tesseract by the
way I got all the tesseract

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merch on I'm tesseract now and I
was like.

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What is going on here?
Fanboyed out.

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My partner specifically works
with all those kinds of shapes

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in his artwork.
Awesome.

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That is awesome.
Yeah.

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So Coco, you are here to tell us
a a bit of a story today, story

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of your life.
You come from quite the lineage,

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lineage of celebrity right
artists, specifically your

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father and grandfather, your
father.

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Now most of our our listeners
are US based.

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We do have some from overseas as
well, but for our our US based

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listenership, just to kind of
explain who your father is.

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Your father is Shawn, writer,
lead singer of the Happy

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Mondays.
Now, not a lot of us over here

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are familiar with the Happy
Mondays, but a lot of people

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over there are very familiar
with.

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Yeah, his fame, his mainly his
success is in the UK.

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He was one of The Pioneers of
the late 80s, early 90s rave

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music scene in Manchester and
London.

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And they formed kind of
particular music called Mad

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Chester or baggy music, which
was rave music but done with

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like real life instruments like
drums and bass and Todd stuff

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like that.
And they used to throw out bags

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of ecstasy to the crowd and
stuff.

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And so, yeah, he was quite
famous in Japan for a while.

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And I'm sure there's maybe one
or two other countries where he

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got quite famous, like probably
Brazil.

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But yeah, he's now more of a
television personality in the

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UK.
He does a lot of TV shows and

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comedy shows and stuff like
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My grandfather, on the other
hand, is the global, you know,

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worldwide famous guy.
Yeah, your your grandfather is

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incredibly famous.
Donovan.

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When I, I, so I, I, I called my
dad the other day and I was

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like, hey, just just off a whim,
I was like, hey, Dad, do you, do

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you know of a, of a, of a
Scottish singer-songwriter folk

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music artist named Donovan?
He's like, yeah, yeah.

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I, I went and saw him at
Wesleyan University in 1970

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something.
And I was like, oh, yeah, yeah.

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And it's like, yeah, yeah.
Donovan.

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He goes mellow yellow man.
Yeah, of course I know, I know

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Donovan.
Yeah.

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And he's like, he's like, hell
yeah, Your Uncle Joe Donovan

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too.
And I'm like, yeah, well, I'm,

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I'm interviewing his
granddaughter tomorrow and and

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he's like, no fucking way, man.
It's like, I was like, yeah, I

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was like, so that's it's, it's
really cool.

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That's really cool.
Donovan is wow.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I always really enjoy when I see

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people's face light up when they
find out who my grandfather is

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because they're really fans of
the music and it obviously

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really moved them in a big way.
And I love, I love seeing that.

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And he just got.
Abducted into the Rock and Roll

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Hall of Fame too, didn't he?
I think that was like 2014,

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yeah.
Yeah, something like that.

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I can't remember, but it wasn't
it wasn't that long ago, it.

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Wasn't that long?
Just awesome.

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Just awesome stuff.
But wait, I'm so I'm sorry, I

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don't mean to just like jump in
here on this for a second.

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So his backing musicians were
John Bonham, Jimmy Page and John

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Paul Jones.
Well, he worked with so many

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musicians.
I mean, he's a, he's a folk

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singer, so he's got his guitar,
he's got his harmonica, and it's

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usually him alone up on stage.
But then he does a lot of work

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where he gets together with a
lot of other musicians and

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session musicians and they make
these incredible albums.

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And he rarely does concerts
where he has other musicians

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join him on stage, so.
Yeah, Jeff, Jeff, he had a

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really strong tie with the the
founding members of Led

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Zeppelin, dude.
Yeah, that's, that's what I'm

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saying.
That's pretty cool because I did

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see that there was like
something somewhere about him

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teaching John Lennon the finger
picking guitar style, which is

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insane, right?
I'm not like the biggest Beatles

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fan.
I mean, I got respect.

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I'm a musician as well, so like,
obviously I respect the legends

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for being the legends, but I'm a
huge Led Zeppelin fan, so like.

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That's Oh yeah, me too.
I got to meet Jimmy Page.

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Is it Jimmy Page?
Yeah.

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Jimmy Page?
Yeah, the guitar player.

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Yeah, I got to meet him a couple
of times and his daughter.

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They did a concert in the Royal
Albert Hall several years ago

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where they performed The Hurdy
Gurdy Man together and a couple

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of other songs.
So I think The Hurdy Gurdy Man

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was originally that song was
being designed for the upcoming

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band Led Zeppelin, but they gave
it to Don and then he wrote the

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lyrics for it and it was like
new for him to go in the sort of

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rock'n'roll direction.
And Jimmy Page originally did

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the guitars on that.
He also, which is very unknown,

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that I kind of only found out
recently, he did the vocals on

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Alice Cooper's Million Dollar
Baby.

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Yeah.
So that was really interesting

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to find that out.
They were, they were both in the

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same studio.
And Alice Cooper had like some

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backing singers, like some
ladies, and they weren't quite

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getting what he was going for.
And he went into the studio and

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he said, Don, I want you to come
in here and I want you to sing

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this for me.
And I want to show you, show

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these ladies what I'm looking
for.

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And he did it and they decided
to keep it.

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And he was never credited for
it. $1,000,000 Baby.

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Hate to see that, but yeah,
that's cool.

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That's pretty awesome.
That.

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Is phenomenal.
So I could sit here and talk

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about this stuff all night long
or morning long in your case,

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right?
We can have a cup of cup of

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coffee and or tea and just talk
about it and trust me, I I

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could, but you're here to tell a
story.

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Uh huh.
And this is where I'm going to

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basically hand over the mic and
Jeff and I will just kind of

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jump in whenever you know
something pops up.

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But This is why you're here,
right?

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This is your platform.
This is this is your opportunity

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and you tell it in any way that
you want anyway whatsoever and.

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I've been preparing all these
notes and gathered all my books

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together and all this stuff like
trying to prepare on what to

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say.
And in the end, I just kind of

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was like, just go with the flow
and whatever comes out comes

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out, you know, all the books
here and everything.

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That's the best way.
Yeah.

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Yeah, we're.
Here, we're here.

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Fortunately, I'm slightly
cognitively impaired because I'm

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like, I don't even know how I'm
functioning right now, but I am.

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But yeah, I think I can more or
less get the story out.

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Honestly, I don't really know
why I'm doing this.

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I don't know what's possessed me
to be suddenly like, OK, I'm

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going to, I'm going to tell the
world or the world my my story.

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I just feel like, you know, I'd
rather live a normal life and,

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you know, have some babies and
raise some chickens and, you

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know, dance to The Bloodhound
Gang in my room half naked in

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the middle of nowhere and have
fun and enjoy myself.

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But the reality is that I've had
these insane experiences and

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I've learned a lot of things
that I should not have learned,

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and I could go the rest of my
life not sharing them.

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But what was What's the point of
going through these things if

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you don't, If you don't share
all this knowledge?

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Yeah.
Like it would be a waste, you

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know, I got to start at some
point, so.

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Well, you're, you're telling the
story to two friends.

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That's all you're doing, all
right.

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Thanks, I appreciate that.
Yeah, just pretend there's not 8

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million people watching live
right now.

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There's.
Definitely.

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Not.
We can all push there was, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now that might be different on

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the next show that you go to
that.

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Well, I don't know.
They don't, They don't have a

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lot of followers.
They don't have that many

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followers, so.
They got more than this one.

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I mean it may be like 100,000
people will see.

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Oh yeah, No, that's it.
No big deal yeah 100,000 yeah.

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Easy money, yeah yeah.
Jeez.

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Well, you.
Know I, I, I don't really want

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to do it, but as I said, I, I
think I should.

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So here I am.
I'm also starting my own podcast

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and I, you know, like to get few
people that are interested in

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that.
I'm not really going to talk

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about what I'm going to share
here on my podcast.

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I'm going to talk about the
occult, magic and mysticism to

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try and demystify, let's say no,
It's got a really bad name for

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itself in recent years because
of all of the sort of satanic

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imagery and all of the crazy
shit going on these days in the

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music industry, the
entertainment industry in

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general.
There's a lot of weird shit

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going on all over the world.
And so the occult has gotten a

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bad Rep and rightfully so,
because it's being used in such

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sick and twisted ways to
manipulate the people across the

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world.
But in reality, it's it's a tool

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that can be used for good or it
can be used for bad.

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And it's just basically the
architectural makeup of the

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universe that we live in.
So I kind of want to, I don't

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want to talk about that, but
right now we're going to talk

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about my story, which I guess is
the use of magic and mind

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control within the
entertainment, which is from my

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personal point of view and
perspective because of the world

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that I was born into and grew up
in.

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But in reality, these kinds of
systems of control and magic are

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used by occult groups on anyone
or towards anyone that they find

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useful or interesting.
So it could be politicians or it

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could be literally just say like
you got a Freemason and he has a

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daughter who has, who is born
gifted or has a very powerful

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astrology chart.
And they'll notice that and see

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that and they'll this, this
person might never do anything

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in their life that influences
the world in any way.

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They might not become a
politician or a singer or

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whatever, but they have a
certain energetic power about

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them.
And these cult like groups,

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especially Freemasons, they
surround these people and they

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harvest their energy and they
use their energy.

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And this is where the
unbelievable aspect comes in is

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because we're talking about
energy and we're talking about

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magic.
And not everyone's going to

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believe that magic is real.
And I don't, I'm not trying to

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prove anything, but that's the
direction.

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That's the direction of the
conversation.

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I'm not going to get into like,
oh, I, I was part of a ritual

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and I saw all this weird stuff
happening.

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There's plenty of people out
there who are talking about the

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stuff that they've seen
happening.

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But in my experience, I was
never brought into all of that

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because they only bring people
into that stuff that they can

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corrupt or control or people
that are disposable.

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I, it's very hard talking about
this stuff because I've

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basically kept it a secret for
10 years.

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Well, I'm 31 now and I kind of
stumbled upon all of these

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secrets when I was 19 by
accident in a sort of Eyes Wide

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Shut kind of style.
Completely different scenario,

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but the same kind of story in
the sense that it wasn't, you

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know, big fancy mansions and
stuff like that.

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It was more in a nightclub scene
and stuff like that.

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Or I was hanging out in a
certain place and I noticed all

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of these things around, all of
these symbols and all of these

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things going on.
And I was young, I was 19, and I

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was a bit arrogant.
And I considered myself like I

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was going through the my kind of
spiritual awakening where I was

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noticing things and feeling
things.

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And I thought that I was smart
and interesting and I thought

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I'd go and investigate this
place.

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And I did.
I investigated and I asked

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questions.
And my life was never the same

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after that.
From that point onwards, it was

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just an escalation of insane
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So that was like my lifting of
the veil basically when I

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started asking these questions,
because at the time I was always

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into, you know, conspiracy
theories and stuff.

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So I was reading about
Freemasonry and symbolism and

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all of the occult stuff and
going on in the entertainment

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industry and I was spending a
lot of time in the Internet and

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I see this stuff in this place
and I'm like, hmm, I recognize

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this stuff.
I bet you something strange is

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going on here.
And then the Eyes Wide Shut kind

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of stuff happened.
You know, people start following

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you and people start asking you
questions and all of these

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unusual things start happening.
And then after that, we'll go

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more into detail about that in a
little bit.

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But after that, I kind of
discovered this whole world

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around me where I was living.
And then it started to trigger a

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lot of things, like started
making connections about myself

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and my family and realizing that
this kind of stuff has been

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happening to me and my family
for a very long time.

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This isn't just something I've
stumbled upon.

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This is something that we've
been involved in my whole life.

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Do you have any questions?
Jeff.

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Not yet.
I mean, obviously like I'm

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curious at what some of these
experiences are and and some of

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these stuff, you know, I'm
personally the conspiracy guy on

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this show too, so I can relate
to you on that.

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So I'm sure when you start kind
of getting into it, it's going

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to probably like it's going to
hit so.

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No, I'm again, feel free to, you
know, just deny answers

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perfectly.
OK.

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Do you mind expanding upon what
some of these things that caught

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your interests were?
Yeah.

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So within the club there was
quite about a lot of symbolism

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around.
You had the black and white

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tiled floors that were
specifically centered in the in

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the center of the venue in a
sort of square that went down on

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a couple of steps.
And then you had these

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sculptures around.
It's kind of like Bacchanalian

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Greek sculptures with the grapes
and things like that.

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And I noticed within and around
the property, all of the female

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sculptures had had their noses
taken off.

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And these are new sculptures,
you know, they're not ancient

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sculptures.
All of the noses had been taken

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off.
And the nose for the woman is a

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symbol of, of their ability and
capacity to sense a correct

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mate.
And this kind of place is the

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kind of place where people go to
meet and, you know, have fun and

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maybe end up having sex with
someone, right?

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It's a it's a nightlife kind of
place.

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And so I found that interesting.
And I noticed that the visuals

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that they played on the on the
wall when the music was playing

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were all really dark and twisted
fucking things.

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I remember just kind of dancing
and looking up and thinking what

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the fuck am I watching and
looking around at the people

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completely oblivious to this.
And then I kind of like looked

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at the corners and the kind of
people standing around and I

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started asking some some
questions to the people around

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and they all had the same kind
of reaction.

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And what else can I tell you?
Even the name of the place,

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which I'm not going to say is a
reference to an old myth about

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some kind of monster in a cave
that ate these three young

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women.
And eventually over the years,

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I, I noticed something about the
nightlife scene specifically

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where I grew up, that they use a
lot of Mayan symbolism and

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there's just a lot of dark
stuff, 'cause you got to

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understand that the, the
nightlife scene, it's all to do

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with the criminal networks and
the whole thing.

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It's all connected.
Cults, criminal networks,

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politicians, military, it's all
one big network.

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So yeah, at a certain point I
decided, and I have no fucking

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idea why I decided I would ask a
particular person who's like the

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main face of this place what was
going on.

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So after an event I went up to
him and I asked him what's going

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on.
And of course he said I have no

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idea what you're talking about.
And then like 2 days later, I

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was followed by a blue car.
And this has never happened to

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me before in my life, never
experienced any kind of

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following or stalking or
anything like that.

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And they use specific colors
like blue and red, things like

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that to capture your attention I
suppose.

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And then I thought, well, that's
a bit odd, that's a bit strange.

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And a few days later, I'm
walking up towards the church or

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down from the church, and I
noticed someone, like, really

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like, following me.
And I stopped, and I looked

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behind, and they stopped.
And they made it really obvious

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that they were following me,
like, overly trying to show me

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that they were following me.
This was done on purpose.

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Yeah.
They want you to know that we're

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following you and then at a
certain point, this is when

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things after like a couple of
months like this of all of these

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strange things happening.
This is something that they put

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a lot of, let's say, initiates
through people like celebrities

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and stuff like that.
It's the classic symbolism of

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the devil at the crossroads
where they meet you at the

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crossroads.
And you'll notice in a lot of

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films what they do is they they,
they'll get, they'll get in the

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car with this devil that they
meet at the the crossroads and

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this devil will drive the car
really fast in a very kind of

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scary way to freak the person
out there.

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There's a few films, there's one
incredible film where Samuel

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Jackson plays the devil and he
does exactly that.

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I can't think of any other films
at the moment, but yeah, I was

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hanging out on my balcony when
this guy parks a car out front

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my apartment and asked me to
come downstairs.

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So I do, and I get in the car
with him.

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We talked for a while and I get
in the car with him and he

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starts driving like a madman,
obviously.

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And he takes me to this
apartment complex.

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And the apartment complex is
brand new and it's very luxury

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and it doesn't have anyone
living in it yet.

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And we, it's just him in this
huge luxury apartment complex by

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the sea.
We go in, we sit down, we talk,

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we roll a joint.
And there's a few things in the

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room, symbolic things like some
kind of wooden, wooden kind of

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sculpture with a kind of phallic
symbolism.

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And then there's a box in the
center of the table with some

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batteries in it and a few other
strange kind of symbolic things.

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We start talking and stuff and I
notice at a certain point a

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light comes on in the apartment
complex that's in front of us

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and we can see it out the the
windows.

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It's like, not windows, it's a
glass doors that goes on to the

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balcony and the light comes on
and you can see it's what kind

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of lighting is that when it's
from the back.

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So the, the person, it just
looks like a shadow.

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And the light is, yeah, like a
silhouette.

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And he's there sitting at the
table like this, and he's

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looking down at us from this
apartment.

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And this is where things started
to get really weird.

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I can't remember exactly the
details of the conversation.

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I had been smoking weed for many
years, never had any problems.

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But after this day, I was never,
I've never been able to smoke

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weed again because of the
paranoia that it induces.

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At a certain point, we leave,
we're walking through the

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hallway and there's a cricket in
the hallway.

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And he goes to step on it to
kill it.

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And I'm like, I'm going to kill
this little thing.

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And I'm like, don't fucking kill
that.

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It's a symbol of the conscience,
right?

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He turns around to me and he
says, by the way, they're all

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pedophiles randomly.
And then when we get to the

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exit, he says we get to the exit
of this luxury complex.

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He, he says, if you ever need
me, if you ever need anything,

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if you want to live in an
apartment like this and you want

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to get a good job, you come here
and you put this code inside the

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keypad to get inside the luxury
complex.

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It was in the shape of an Li
can't remember which numbers it

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was said.
I can help you.

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I can help you get a find a nice
apartment get a nice job and all

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that stuff.
Obviously I can't understood

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what's going on.
I don't know if you guys this is

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making any sense to you guys
because I hope I'm making enough

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sense.
I'm.

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Actually, go ahead and Jeremy.
No, I was just going to say, I

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mean, it's, it's making sense.
I'm following the story, but I

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don't, I don't think we're meant
to be put in the position where

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we're supposed to feel like
we're, we're fully, I don't

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know, like feeling like we're
first person because this isn't,

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this isn't something that's
going to happen to us or

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something that has happened to
us.

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This is an incredible story so
far.

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Yeah, yeah.
I am.

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I am locked in.
Very interested by the way.

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Well, it's just a a little
introduction to the rest to, to,

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to tell you where it kind of all
began and what opened my eyes to

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all of this strange stuff, Jeff.
You were saying?

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Oh, I was just going to say it's
just interesting because I've,

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I've spoken to one other person
on my show before and they have

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a similar story thus far, right.
Obviously, like a lot of details

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weren't exactly the same, but
like when you're talking about

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somebody following them, you
talked about like some of the

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symbolism.
Obviously, I'm familiar with

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some of that symbolism just in
my conspiratorial, you know,

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studies, if you will.
But I spoke to somebody else who

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also was followed and then had
that whole Devil on the

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crossroads experience.
And then, you know, that person

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ended up going on to being in a
couple of different secret

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societies later on in his life.
So pretty interesting.

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Well, me being a retarded 19
year old, having no fucking idea

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what I was doing, just just
having fun, seeing what I'm

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capable of and and proving to
myself that my intuition is

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correct.
That's basically all I was

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doing.
I had no interest in joining

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these people.
None whatsoever.

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The next day I woke up and I
took my time.

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I oh the guy gave me his phone
number on a piece of paper.

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He said you can call me as well.
I went to the beach.

450
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,440
I went to the beach and I sat
down on a bench and I waited.

451
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,960
I waited.
I waited, I waited and

452
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,400
eventually someone showed up.
And these people, these kinds of

453
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,280
goon people, they all have the
same kind of look, kind of like

454
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:39,680
the character from what's that
Quentin Tarantino movie with the

455
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:44,960
the car, Death Proof.
You seen that movie with Kurt

456
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,400
Russell?
I don't watch a lot of movies.

457
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,760
Karen He's never seen a single
movie in his life.

458
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,280
I'm not the guy for movies.
You're not a movie guy.

459
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,280
All right, that's, that's
interesting.

460
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,320
ANYWAYS, this guy shows up and
he sits behind me and he has he

461
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:05,560
makes it very evident that he
has an eagle tattooed on his

462
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,960
neck, which is obviously the
sign of being watched.

463
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:15,520
I took out my piece of paper and
I made it very clear that it had

464
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:20,360
the number of this guy on it.
And I did a little prayer and I

465
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:26,480
burnt it.
And then I lit some sage and I

466
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,440
burnt it.
And I made it clear that, you

467
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,400
know, I'm not interested in any
of this.

468
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,560
And then that's when the
following became more like

469
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:43,480
harassment.
And I went from this very fun,

470
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:50,120
happy kind of hippie ish
teenager over the next few years

471
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,560
to being more.
Well, there was a certain point

472
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,440
where I just didn't leave my
apartment because people were

473
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,960
breaking into my apartment,
moving stuff around, leaving

474
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:03,120
shit there.
And it got weird.

475
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:08,320
And few things happened that
were very traumatic that I don't

476
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,680
know if I really want to mention
because I don't want to give,

477
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,520
don't even give anyone any
ideas.

478
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,680
But yeah, there was a few things
that happened that were really

479
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,800
sick and traumatic that made
make you go through what is

480
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,840
called like the silence
programming.

481
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,960
When you discover these things,
they put you through a series of

482
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,640
traumatic things that basically
tell you keep your mouth shut,

483
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,720
you know?
And so I did.

484
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,360
I kept my mouth shut for 10
years, but it obviously wasn't

485
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:48,280
enough because every time these
people showed up, I would make

486
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,720
it very clear that I understood
what was going on.

487
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,920
And that obviously wasn't a very
smart move.

488
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,280
I should have just pretended
like I noticed nothing, and I

489
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,600
probably would have gotten a lot
less attention.

490
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,600
Where am I going with this?
Yeah.

491
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:13,840
So after that dweller on the
threshold experience with the

492
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,679
guy in the car on the
crossroads, things got dark.

493
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:24,080
And that's when I started to put
a lot of pieces together about

494
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,080
my family, my grandfather's
father.

495
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:33,239
Donovan's father is a Freemason
and on my grandmother's side.

496
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,280
So that's Donovan's wife.
The family worked for the queen,

497
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,320
and if there's anything I've
learned in the last 10 years is

498
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,000
that you don't have people like
that in your family without some

499
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:58,440
kind of weird trouble going on.
You know, help me out here.

500
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,040
Where am I going with this?
You were just saying, you were

501
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:08,000
talking briefly about your, I
guess, your great grandmother.

502
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Donovan's parents.

503
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,880
So I started to put a lot of
pieces together about my my

504
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,960
family and things like that.
And I started to put together

505
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:27,920
some memories that I had as a
child in Los Angeles.

506
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,360
I lived in Laurel Canyon.
If you guys are conspiracy guys,

507
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,800
you should know about Laurel
Canyon, right?

508
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:34,520
Very.
Familiar.

509
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,040
Yeah.
OK, so I lived in Oro Canyon for

510
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,600
a while when I was six years
old, and I have some strange

511
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,920
memories.
I I was only in Los Angeles for

512
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:51,840
about a year and a half maybe.
And I always thought that these

513
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:56,560
memories must have been
something that I made-up or

514
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,600
something that I watched in a
movie, because they're like

515
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,160
impossible things.
They don't make any sense.

516
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,080
But once you learn about monarch
programming and stuff like that,

517
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,560
they all start to make a lot of
sense.

518
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:16,640
So there was obviously.
Yeah.

519
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:21,920
I've never, never spoken about
this stuff openly before.

520
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:27,880
And every time I, I have
attempted to, I've been really

521
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:33,160
unable to speak.
You know, you get shaky.

522
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,240
I'm actually like shaking right
now but I'm doing pretty well

523
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,080
which is really annoying for me
because I'm a very honest and

524
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:46,960
open person so keeping all this.
Is tough stuff to talk about.

525
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,960
I'm used to talking about tough
stuff, man.

526
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:55,040
I get it.
My mother, she's like borderline

527
00:36:55,040 --> 00:37:00,320
alcoholic and she's been just
talking about tough stuff since

528
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,480
I was born.
So I'm used to talking about

529
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,240
tough stuff and being surrounded
by tough stuff.

530
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:09,360
You know, I had the Slim Shady
LP when I was like 8 years old.

531
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:15,160
I did too.
You know, I'm, I'm fine with

532
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:20,680
tough stuff, but this is another
level of like, I shouldn't be

533
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,320
talking about this stuff.
You know, I shouldn't be, I

534
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,880
shouldn't be saying this stuff.
But that's kind of the point.

535
00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:32,520
Half the stuff that they put you
through is to, to, to get you to

536
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,160
not talk about stuff.
That's why there's not a lot of

537
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:43,520
people out there sharing their
experience because it's network.

538
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,200
It is a network.
It's a network, as I said, of

539
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:51,320
criminals, of cults,
politicians, military, churches,

540
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,360
schools, pedophiles.
It's a it's a huge network of

541
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,720
people doing favors for each
other.

542
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:02,800
So there's a lot of people, a
lot of people involved that you

543
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,560
wouldn't even think would be
involved, you know, like postmen

544
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:11,040
and the police officers and just
people in your local village are

545
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,480
involved in this stuff.
And a lot of them are afraid.

546
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,920
A lot of them want to talk about
it, but we're all too afraid to

547
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:25,200
to talk about it.
So where was I was talking about

548
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,840
Monarch?
You guys know about Monarch?

549
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,720
I was familiar with Laurel Cane.
Not.

550
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,920
Laurel Cane.
So the MK Ultra is part of the

551
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,320
Monarch, Monarch program that
I'm familiar with you.

552
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,720
There's various, there's a lot
of other things to it, but like,

553
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:46,800
I know you're familiar with MK
Ultra and like that's under the

554
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,920
umbrella of Monarch from what I
understand.

555
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,240
Right.
So and Kilter came first,

556
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,600
Monarch came second.
Monarch is a type of trauma

557
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,800
based mind control where it's
supposed to be an undetectable

558
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:08,240
kind of mind control where they
do it on these these people and

559
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,920
a lot of the celebrities that
you see today are all monarch

560
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,080
children.
So they basically put them

561
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,880
through various traumas when
they're very young and split

562
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,440
their mind.
And it's not necessarily about

563
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,880
creating split personalities.
If you can achieve that, great

564
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,080
for them.
It's not necessarily about that.

565
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,760
It's more about dissociative
capacities and what that how

566
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,960
that can be useful for them.
So with monarch programming,

567
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,240
there's various themes.
So you've got like Alice in

568
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:45,720
Wonderland and Wizard of Oz and
stuff like this.

569
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:47,720
And this is all you can Google
this.

570
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:50,520
It's all very well it it used to
be.

571
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,920
Google has become quite useless
in the last few years.

572
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:01,840
So I went through the Wizard of
Oz Monarch programming.

573
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:08,240
Where I was I can only imagine I
was kidnapped as a child and

574
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,840
given drugs and put through
various strange situations.

575
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:18,080
At Laurel Canyon specifically,
there is a house which Jared

576
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:22,600
Leto bought and has recently
sold, which had a bunker

577
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,080
underneath where the CIA used to
film secret propaganda movies.

578
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,400
And this is just something
that's out in the open, but they

579
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,440
have a lot of these facilities
where they have the secret like

580
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,960
places to do film sets and they
have all of these props and they

581
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,720
set up all of these things.
And then they put children on

582
00:40:43,720 --> 00:40:47,080
drugs and then they traumatize
them and they set send them into

583
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,720
these these rooms with all of
these strange and surreal things

584
00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:56,080
around and fuck with their head
basically.

585
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,960
And I'm not supposed to remember
any of those things.

586
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,720
You know, I'm not, I'm not
supposed to have any memory of

587
00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:05,360
these things.
I'm not supposed to know any of

588
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:11,040
the things that I know because
people like me, we are not

589
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,480
supposed to be brought into the
inner circle.

590
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,320
We're supposed to be just used
and manipulated and kept

591
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,320
ignorant of what's actually
going on.

592
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:25,080
That's why it upsets me when you
get all of these Youtubers and

593
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,520
stuff, you know, saying that I
don't know, Sabrina Carpenter is

594
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,760
the devil and you know, Lady
Gaga is the devil and these

595
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,240
people are terrible, Satan
worshipping.

596
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,200
It's like, no, they're probably
not.

597
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,320
They're probably just
traumatized children under mind

598
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:46,520
control.
So where am I going with this?

599
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,320
It's already 46 minutes I
haven't gotten.

600
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:03,360
Well, I just want to say.
Yeah. 100% believable, by the

601
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,640
way 100.
Percent this, this stuff, yeah,

602
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,800
this stuff is believable
because, I mean, you've got the

603
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:14,240
MK Ultra history and we know
what the government's capable of

604
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:17,760
and all of that stuff, but the
the unbelievable's go on.

605
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:23,440
Yeah, I apologize when you said
the the fear based mind control

606
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,720
that brings a bell.
I just didn't connect the

607
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,520
Project Monarch with it.
Trauma.

608
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:32,480
Based.
Sorry, trauma based.

609
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,280
Totally.
I want to say that even.

610
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,960
Was that even part of project
paper clip?

611
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,400
Jeff, do you remember?
Wasn't that brought over with

612
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,960
with Nazi scientists?
Some of those scientists were

613
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,400
the guys who developed the
techniques.

614
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,800
I forget the specific guy's
name, but yeah, one of those

615
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,040
paper clip scientists was part
of the group who came up with

616
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,120
the techniques for doing all of
the trauma based mind control

617
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:00,640
stuff.
Yeah.

618
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,800
Yeah, I want to.
I want to say that that's got

619
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,280
some really deep roots.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

620
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:12,640
And so the trauma based mind
control stuff, what they do on

621
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:19,440
their targets and their victims,
all of this stuff is eventually

622
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:24,280
used on on the globe, on the
population, on the whole

623
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,280
population.
Like the lockdowns, for example.

624
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,200
It's all trauma based mind
control.

625
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:39,160
Lock someone in a room, flash
fear based imaging in their face

626
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:45,360
24/7 constantly and drug them.
That's trauma based mind

627
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,040
control.
So what they did to me and what

628
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,720
they've done to many other
people within the system,

629
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,160
they've pretty much did to
everybody on a global scale

630
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,080
during the lockdown.
So you know, there's the

631
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,320
esoteric and the exoteric,
right?

632
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,480
So you got the microcosm and the
macrocosm.

633
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,840
You've got the up close and
personal stuff, like my personal

634
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:12,280
experiences and then these
people on the political side or

635
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:13,760
not.
So the political side, on the

636
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,440
geopolitical side, they're kind
of like controlling world

637
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,240
events.
They're using all of this

638
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:23,000
information and all of these
things that they've done on

639
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,240
their own family members on the
rest of the world.

640
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,000
So yeah.
That's.

641
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,600
Interesting.
Yeah, I, I've been saying this

642
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,680
the whole time, man.
Like there's so much not just

643
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,400
like the, the isolation part of
it, but like, you know, this the

644
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,280
six feet spacing, right?
Like that's part of it.

645
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,680
They're the, you know, in some
of these rituals or whatever you

646
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,120
want to call them, right?
Like wearing masks and standing

647
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,920
6 feet apart and like all that.
Like all of that is, is like

648
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,840
symbolic.
Not just symbolic, but like they

649
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,320
were actually doing these things
to us without us really knowing.

650
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:05,080
Those are all designed off of
their knowledge of trauma based

651
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,320
mind control.
So the mask thing, it's about

652
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,520
dissociation, It's about
disconnecting from the people

653
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,840
around you.
And you can see that the world

654
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,360
today is everyone is deeply
traumatized.

655
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,120
People have forgotten how to
socialize.

656
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,640
People have forgotten how to
work.

657
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,640
You know, you know, can't can't
find a fucking plumber anymore.

658
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,920
No one knows what the fuck
they're doing anymore.

659
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,760
No one wants to work.
Everyone's a bit of a mess.

660
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:39,360
So yeah.
So yeah, I went through all that

661
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,480
stuff.
The the real unbelievable stuff,

662
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:46,280
which I was mentioning to you in
private before our before the

663
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,080
show.
The unbelievable stuff is the

664
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,320
magic.
Not everyone's going to believe

665
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,920
that magic is real.
And that's perfectly, perfectly

666
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,520
fine.
You know, you can understand

667
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,360
that the elites, you know, they
believe in the magic and they're

668
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,880
doing all this weird, creepy,
sick stuff.

669
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,360
But that's why I've got all
these notes around me because

670
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:14,800
I'd like to explain how the
magic works and what they put

671
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,320
their initiates through.
Like all of these celebrities

672
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,160
that people say have sold their
soul to the devil.

673
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:25,840
And all of the, I'm sure you
guys are aware of all the

674
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:31,240
stories, you know, like Kanye,
Connie West and Lady Gaga and

675
00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:34,840
all of these people who sold
their souls and all the people

676
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,240
who were ritually sacrificed and
how their family members were

677
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,080
ritually sacrificed.
You know, like Kanye, for

678
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:45,160
example, his mother, I think
died and people say that he

679
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,400
ritually sacrificed her.
That's not how it works.

680
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,880
These people don't just come in
and are like, I'm going to

681
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,240
initiate myself and I'm going to
do all the things that they want

682
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:56,200
me to do.
No, they do it without your

683
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,160
permission.
They do it without your

684
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,520
permission.
They do it to you and around you

685
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:07,880
without telling you.
They come at you from a a

686
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:14,080
symbolic and a psychic and
astral point of view where they

687
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,440
start to manipulate the world
around you so that something

688
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,120
deeper inside of you accepts
what's happening.

689
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:29,080
And I know because I've
experienced it myself.

690
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,160
They put me through this whole
this whole thing.

691
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:38,040
So I'm going to read something
to you guys to give a basic

692
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:43,560
understanding of how the magic
works, right?

693
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,800
That's what I really want to
explain.

694
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:50,720
And if you guys have any
questions about Monarch specific

695
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:54,000
things that I was, I'll put
through memories that I have,

696
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,200
you can ask me.
Don't.

697
00:47:55,480 --> 00:48:00,000
Don't worry about that.
Monarch questions are good.

698
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,080
We could do that.
OK.

699
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,480
Yep, fine with that.
Yeah.

700
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,760
I mean, to be honest with you,
because there's so much just

701
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:10,960
there, right?
Yeah.

702
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,480
I could probably ask you a
million questions and have 10

703
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,640
conversations about that.
So, you know, depending on like

704
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,920
how long we go tonight, I don't
know if it's something that

705
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,400
you'd be up to, but maybe we do
like another one of these at

706
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,320
some point where we can get into
like that specifically because

707
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,960
that's interesting.
That is a whole another separate

708
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,800
episode, yeah.
There's really there is a lot.

709
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,480
That's why I was trying to
prepare and getting all my

710
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,720
notes, because I had to decide
what I'm going to say, what I'm

711
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:41,480
not going to say, what do I want
to achieve with this?

712
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:47,040
And I have a lot of interesting,
cool, cool, horrific stuff to

713
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,960
share.
But what I really want to

714
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:57,720
achieve, I think, is helping
people understand how the magic

715
00:48:57,720 --> 00:49:06,800
works, what it's for, because
there's a lot of vagueness

716
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,600
surrounding it.
You know, the Astro World

717
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,320
incident with that rapper where
all these one guy died and

718
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,240
people got crushed and there was
all this frequency stuff going

719
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:18,680
on like everyone was talking.
About Travis Scott.

720
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,560
Travis Scott, everyone's talking
about that, right?

721
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,880
And they're all very vague
about, you know, it's a

722
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,800
sacrifice, but what is actually
going on there?

723
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,480
What why, what are they gaining
from that?

724
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,240
What kind of magic is being
used?

725
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:35,560
What kind of military technology
is being used?

726
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,960
Because basically both, it's
both military technology and

727
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,840
occult stuff going on.
It's literally Astro world,

728
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,720
which is astral world, which is
where all of the manipulation

729
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:49,640
goes on is in the astral
dimension.

730
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:55,200
And I'll explain why.
So the point is, I want people

731
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,160
to have more understanding and
more information on how all of

732
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,480
that stuff works rather than
just going, oh, they're devil

733
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,840
worshippers and you know,
there's rituals going on.

734
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,600
It's like, what?
What is actually going on,

735
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,720
right?
So there, let's say there are

736
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:18,160
several dimensions that are all
existing on top of each other

737
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,360
all the time.
And the human being has several

738
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,440
bodies.
We have the physical body, we

739
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,640
have the etheric body, we have
the astral body, the mental

740
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,400
body, the lower mental body and
the higher mental body.

741
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,960
And then we have the causal
body, which is the ego, which is

742
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,640
the higher self.
And then you have another

743
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,000
spiritual body, which is like
the the furthest thing from us,

744
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,160
which is the closest thing to
God or the source or whatever

745
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:49,240
the fuck you want to call it.
So the etheric body, it's like a

746
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:55,680
protoplasmic thing that's very
much connected to the physical

747
00:50:55,680 --> 00:51:00,080
body.
The etheric body, also called

748
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,720
the life body or energy body,
provides life force and a

749
00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:06,520
vibrational blueprint for the
physical body.

750
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,040
The astral body, on the other
hand, also known as the

751
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:16,600
emotional body, is the seat of
emotions, desires and feelings.

752
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:21,840
It's also called the desire body
and it's used within astral

753
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:27,040
projection now.
It's a luminous fluid shape

754
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,480
shifting form that carries
emotional impressions.

755
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:40,640
It it's acted during dreams,
meditation, astral projection,

756
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:46,600
blah blah blah blah blah blah.
I have this book here and I'm

757
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:51,120
going to give sort of brief
description because for you to

758
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:56,760
understand the magic, and we'll
go into the magic in a little

759
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:01,720
bit, you got to understand what
dimension the magic is happening

760
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:03,880
on.
Is that all right with you guys?

761
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,120
Yeah, absolutely.
Go for it.

762
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:12,080
So briefly, the astral body of
man is a vehicle to clairvoyant

763
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,640
sight, not unlike the physical
body, surrounded by an aura of

764
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,320
flashing colors composed of
matter, of an order of fineness

765
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,560
higher than that of physical
matter, in which feelings,

766
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,080
passions, desires and emotions
are expressed, and which act,

767
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:30,280
which acts as a bridge or a
medium of transmission between

768
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:34,640
the physical brain and the mind.
The mind is part of the mental

769
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,760
body, which is more closer to
the soul, the latter operating

770
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,560
in the still higher vehicle, the
mind body.

771
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,600
While every man possesses and
uses an astral body,

772
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,200
comparatively few are conscious
of his existence, or can control

773
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,040
and function in it in full
consciousness.

774
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:56,320
In the case of large numbers of
persons it is scarcely more than

775
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:00,240
an incohate mass of astral
matter, the movements and

776
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:03,080
activities of which are little
under the control of the man

777
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,800
himself, the ego, which is the
true man.

778
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,000
With others, however, the astral
body is a well developed and

779
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:15,040
thoroughly organized vehicle,
possessing a life of its own and

780
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:19,440
conferring on its owner many
useful powers.

781
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:24,280
During the sleep of the physical
body, an undeveloped man leads a

782
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:28,240
dreamy, vague existence in his
relatively primitive astral

783
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:30,480
body, remembering little or
nothing.

784
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:37,760
In the case of a development,
this is Astral body and other

785
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,080
Astral Phenomenon by Arthur E
Powell.

786
00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:49,000
It was published in 1920.
Something in the case of a

787
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,840
developed man, however, the life
in the astral body, whilst the

788
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,320
physical body is wrapped in
slumber, is active, interesting

789
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,640
and useful, and the memory of it
may, under certain conditions,

790
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,560
be brought down into the
physical brain.

791
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,320
The life of such a man ceases to
be a series of days of

792
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,280
consciousness and nights of
oblivion, becoming instead a

793
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,920
continuous life of unbroken
consciousness, alternating

794
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,680
between the physical and the
astral planes or worlds.

795
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,680
One of the first things a man
learns to do in his astral body

796
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:23,440
is to travel in it being it
being possible for the astral

797
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,680
body to move with great rapidity
and to great distances from the

798
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,640
sleeping physical body.
An understanding of this

799
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,080
phenomenon throws much light on
a large number of so-called

800
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,520
occult phenomenon such as
apparitions.

801
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,440
The astral body being par
excellence, the vehicle of

802
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,400
feelings and emotions, an
understanding of its composition

803
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:47,440
and the ways in which it
operates is of considerable

804
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,040
value in understanding blah blah
blah blah blah.

805
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,960
And this is all very important
because the astral body being

806
00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:03,520
the body of desire and emotion,
meaning that within the astral

807
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:09,120
realm our emotions and our
desires have a huge effect on

808
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,040
it.
Also our our mind body and our

809
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:16,400
mental matter.
Because the mental sorry, my dog

810
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,760
is my dog is having a dream.
Sorry.

811
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:21,640
We're pet.
We're pet.

812
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:28,560
Friendly.
Probably right?

813
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,040
You said the book was The Astral
Body and Other Astral Phenomena

814
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,280
by AE Powell.
Yes.

815
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,920
All right, I just bought it.
Good.

816
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,600
The astral body is veritably a
bridge between our physical and

817
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,720
our mental life, serving as a
transmitter of vibrations both

818
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:53,280
from physical to mental and from
mental to physical, and is in

819
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:57,280
fact principally developed by
this constant passage, all

820
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:06,720
vibrations to and fro.
Then when a man goes to sleep,

821
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:09,960
his ego withdraws further within
himself and leaves his various

822
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,240
bodies more free than usual to
go their own way.

823
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:18,120
These separate bodies are much
more susceptible of impressions

824
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,560
from without than at other
times, and have a very

825
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,640
rudimentary consciousness of
their own.

826
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,960
Consequently, there is ample
reason for the production of

827
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,800
dreams as well As for confused
recollections.

828
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,080
There is one more important bit
here.

829
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,560
The astral body is at times
susceptible to the influences of

830
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,160
passing thought currents, and
when the mind is not actively

831
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,960
controlling it, it is
perpetually receiving these

832
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,240
stimuli from without and eagerly
responding to them.

833
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,680
During sleep it is even more
readily influenced.

834
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:02,880
So there's something called
thought forms which I completely

835
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:08,880
forgot to make notes on.
Just go off memory.

836
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:13,760
So the thought forms, the
thought forms, as we're walking

837
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,240
down the street through the day,
we're thinking, we have this

838
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,560
sort of bubble around us and the
thought forms are kind of coming

839
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,960
out and the things that we're
thinking about and we're

840
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:29,600
imagining kind of create.
So everything is everything has

841
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,160
a sort of kind of matter.
Our thoughts, our feelings are

842
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:39,000
all existing on, on different
dimensions and levels of

843
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:46,200
consciousness.
So thought forms, you create

844
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:50,760
them and you can pass them on to
other people and you can pick up

845
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,480
on other people's thought forms.
And this is something that

846
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,400
happens to us every day as we're
walking down the street.

847
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,320
You might feel suddenly
something or think suddenly of

848
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,880
something, and that's because
someone has passed you.

849
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:06,520
And that's just kind of how it
naturally works if you believe

850
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:10,200
in this stuff.
So obviously with magic, you can

851
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:16,760
utilize these these laws of
these interdimensional realms.

852
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:24,680
And so a magician, what they'll
do is they'll sit and they will

853
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,440
obviously take many years to
master their astral body,

854
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:35,360
leaving their body astrally or
etherically even, or just doing

855
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,400
astral projection or what's
called remote viewing where you

856
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,600
just sit there and with your
mind you travel.

857
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:48,760
So these magicians and
occultists and there's various

858
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:53,400
levels of them trained to do
these things.

859
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:59,000
And so when you want to
manipulate someone or lead

860
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:04,480
someone who is, everyone is
susceptible to psychic

861
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,680
information.
But some people more than

862
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:16,920
others.
I think I'm doing all right.

863
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,080
I think you did great.
Good.

864
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,280
So where was I going with this?
Trying to describe how.

865
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,720
You're getting into it.
Yep, go ahead.

866
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:35,080
Gave a brief description on
astral body, astral round

867
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:39,440
thought forms so that gives you
an idea of how the magic will

868
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:44,840
work when we do a follow up
video which I would like to

869
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:49,040
after I do.
I might do an interview with a

870
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:53,200
very big podcast in the next
couple of weeks and I'll come

871
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:58,880
back and hopefully with more
information and well rested, we

872
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,360
can go into more detail about
all of that because I would

873
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:07,440
really like to how the astral
world's work and the various

874
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,360
dimensions that we're existing
on.

875
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,120
I'm just.
Saying you're doing great, by

876
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,600
the way.
I appreciate that.

877
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:21,680
Fuck it, I am exhausted.
This is all stuff too, because

878
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,160
like there's going to obviously
there's people who when they

879
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:25,760
hear these things, like they're
all that, they're like, oh,

880
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,600
that's woo, right.
That's too woo.

881
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,200
That's crazy.
Like that's not real.

882
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:30,640
Of course there's those people
out there.

883
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,720
So and we've me and Jeremy and
and our other Co host, our prior

884
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,480
Co host, we've talked about this
type of stuff before in a

885
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,840
slightly different context.
So just for anybody who might be

886
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,160
watching or listening who thinks
this is woo, I just want to

887
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:50,480
remind you guys that we did go
over the gateway process.

888
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,160
So if you want to get into a
more analytical version of this,

889
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,320
right the here, I'll just share.
I got it pulled up right here

890
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:01,640
real quick.
But just as a reminder, the

891
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:05,000
United States government, let me
go up to Page 1 here, just so

892
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,280
you guys remember this, the
analysis and assessment of

893
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:13,120
gateway process, right, on the
Army Operational group, right

894
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,440
along with the US Army
Intelligence and Security

895
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,880
Command.
They went through all this and

896
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:23,840
there are published declassified
documents on them doing all of

897
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:28,480
this remote viewing, out of body
movement, right?

898
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:33,040
Literally time travel.
There's look, here's the remote

899
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:36,880
viewing section, and they break
it down in a more like

900
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,960
analytical, scientific way and
they explain how you can do

901
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,920
these kinds of things using
frequency technologies, right,

902
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:44,800
like by.
Neural beats.

903
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:48,240
And stuff like that.
So if you think this is just woo

904
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,800
or crazy or whatever, like be
reminded that it's not.

905
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,200
This is real stuff.
And, and The thing is that all

906
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,600
of this occult stuff is deeply,
deeply wound up with the

907
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,080
military stuff 100.
Percent.

908
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,480
Very absolutely.
And that's why I wanted to bring

909
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:10,480
up the Astro world thing because
100% there was a ceremony going

910
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,640
on.
There was a deliberate

911
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:25,360
conscious, let's say meditation
going on with occultists working

912
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,680
in the background.
It's not Travis Scott.

913
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:32,400
There are occultists in the
background who are doing either

914
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,240
ceremonies, rituals, but I would
say more like going into a

915
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:40,480
trance and going into the astral
realm and working with the

916
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:44,320
various beings and entities that
exist within the astral realm.

917
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:50,880
And I would just assume, I'd
suggest, I'm guessing that

918
01:02:51,200 --> 01:03:01,320
during these concerts like this,
they are opening people's astral

919
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:08,040
bodies and etheric bodies up to
the influence of various beings,

920
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,600
entities.
They could even be.

921
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,640
So within the astral realm, you
got to imagine it's populated by

922
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:20,200
billions of different species
and you have elemental kind of

923
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,560
classifications.
So you might have beings that

924
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:26,280
look and behave a lot like the
beings that we have in the water

925
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,520
in the ocean, like jellyfish, or
you might have beings like

926
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:33,840
spiders and things like that.
And each one of these beings can

927
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:38,880
be taken and used and turned
into a kind of astral machinery

928
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:43,280
that can be attached to a
person's astral body.

929
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:48,960
So like they use these kind of
jellyfish entities and they

930
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,880
attach them to people's heads or
spines.

931
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:58,760
And these jellyfish entities act
as a kind of transmitter of

932
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:02,880
information.
So you got all this astral magic

933
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:07,080
weirdness going on, but then you
also have the military aspect,

934
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:12,360
because what I'm starting to
understand is that they cannot,

935
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:16,080
and this is the point, they want
to mind control the entire

936
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:20,960
planet basically.
They cannot turn you into a mind

937
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:26,520
control slave without breaking
down your spiritual barriers

938
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,920
first.
So we have a number of spiritual

939
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,960
protective layers around our
body, our auric fields and stuff

940
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,960
like that.
And they can't just implant you

941
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:41,560
and inject you and turn you into
a mind control slave without

942
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:48,200
slowly deconstructing and
weakening your spiritual forces.

943
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:54,240
So events like Astro World are
tests to see how they can break

944
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:59,000
down spiritually people in
massive crowds and at the same

945
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:03,200
time link them to military
technology that is used for

946
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:10,040
tracking and mind control.
Where was it going before I got

947
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:14,200
gone to the astral thing?
Astral world thing was talking

948
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:18,560
about?
We were kind of explaining, I

949
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:23,440
think, just how, or let's just
say like the basics of the magic

950
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:28,120
side of things, right?
Yeah, yeah.

951
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:32,520
Got where I was.
That's right.

952
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:34,240
Why you think I also found
something else that's

953
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,480
interesting.
You guys might like this here.

954
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:40,480
Let me close this ad real quick.
Just take a quick back step.

955
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:44,840
When we're talking about Project
Monarch, I found this and I

956
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,640
found this pretty interesting
here.

957
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,560
So King Charles the third
portrait.

958
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:52,840
You guys notice anything in the
portrait?

959
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:58,240
This this just happened.
Yeah, see that monarch butterfly

960
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,560
right there?
Yeah.

961
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:04,360
Right.
So the symbolism is definitely

962
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,720
out there.
It's hidden in plain sight, as

963
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:10,480
always.
As always, yes, exactly.

964
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:15,760
That's what they do.
And they it's the revelation of

965
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:20,600
the method and it really works.
And here's another interesting

966
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,760
thing of going off a little bit
and then I'll get back onto

967
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:29,000
where I was going because I
remember now the revolution of

968
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,840
the method thing.
When you're watching movies

969
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:37,480
about a dystopia, right?
Your brain perceives it as 100%

970
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,600
real, right?
Your brain perceives what you're

971
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:44,280
watching as real, period.
But then a part of you, your

972
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:48,520
consciousness is enjoying it and
saying, oh, this is a great

973
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:49,960
movie.
I'm enjoying this, this, this is

974
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:54,320
fun.
So it's a kind of energetic

975
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:59,440
manipulation to get you to go.
I accept this reality and I'm

976
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:03,000
happy with this reality.
Right.

977
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:09,760
Woken up my neighbors fine.
They they knew that I was doing

978
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:11,000
a interview at 3:00 in the
morning.

979
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:12,760
I'll try and lower my voice a
bit.

980
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:21,080
So that's, that's an interesting
segue into the, the magic

981
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:25,160
because that's part that's
that's part of the the, the

982
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:29,520
manipulation of the mind.
So for example, let's let's go

983
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,320
into it now.
Let's talk about celebrities,

984
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:41,160
musicians, singers, pop stars.
When they bring in someone into

985
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:47,440
into the network right in like
they initiate someone into this

986
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:52,400
celebrity around, you're going
to be one of us and you're going

987
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:57,320
to work for us and you're going
to sing our propaganda and all

988
01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:00,040
of this stuff.
They put you through this series

989
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:06,320
of, of rituals and they're, they
don't look like rituals.

990
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:08,640
Like I went through this
situation with the guy at the

991
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,320
crossroads and many of these
people who go through that, but

992
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,200
they'll have no idea that
they're going through that.

993
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,600
It's speaking to the
subconscious mind and speaking

994
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,800
to the spirit body because the
spirit body is the intuitive

995
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,840
body and the spirit body knows
what's going on, but our

996
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:25,760
consciousness doesn't really
know what's going on.

997
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:36,000
And So what they do is these
magicians, and it's really hard

998
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,359
to organize my thoughts.
I've been trying to write stuff

999
01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:41,080
down because there's just so
many different aspects to this,

1000
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,760
it's nuts.
But I want to like go into the

1001
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,200
network part really quick.
How does the network work?

1002
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,080
Where do they find all of these
magicians and all of these

1003
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:52,200
people?
So even just where I live in the

1004
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:58,960
nearest city to me, there's a
dozen different schools like

1005
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:03,760
Ordo Templi Orientis or
Rosicrucian or even churches,

1006
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:08,000
you know, specific churches or
the scientologies or there's

1007
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,040
loads of them.
There's loads of these groups.

1008
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:13,000
And you even have like new age
kind of hippie groups where

1009
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,800
people meet and hang out and
stuff like that.

1010
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:19,399
So you've got all of these
people interested in magic and

1011
01:09:19,399 --> 01:09:21,760
interested in stuff and they go
and they join these, these

1012
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,920
groups or even they think it's
like a weekly fun thing that

1013
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:27,920
they do.
And then they get brought deeper

1014
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,399
and deeper into it.
And they basically give them

1015
01:09:31,399 --> 01:09:34,600
assignments and say, we're going
to teach you how to do this

1016
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:36,960
today and we're going to learn
how to do this.

1017
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:42,319
And they send, they send them
off and they, they have them do

1018
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:46,120
psychic tests and experiments
to, to prove, prove to

1019
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,000
themselves that they're capable
of these things.

1020
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:54,520
So you've got various levels of
useful psychic spiritual

1021
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,440
individuals.
And because it's a network,

1022
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:01,440
they've got their fingers in all
of these different cults and

1023
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:04,480
groups and fraternities and
brotherhoods and stuff like

1024
01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:08,280
that.
And then of course on the non

1025
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,680
magical side, you have criminal
network.

1026
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,640
You have like the pedophiles.
And this is another very

1027
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:18,520
interesting thing because we now
have the Internet and we have

1028
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,120
access.
They have access to all of the

1029
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,080
pedophiles on the Internet, all
of them.

1030
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:28,840
So if they need someone to do
some street theater or follow

1031
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:32,960
you or do something break into
your house, they can just go on

1032
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,200
their little network online and,
and they'll go, oh, there's a

1033
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,800
pedophile living there.
We'll go there, we'll take them

1034
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:41,960
and we'll blackmail them and
they'll do whatever the fuck we

1035
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:47,280
want them to do, right.
So you've got different types of

1036
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,440
useful people within the
network.

1037
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:51,960
You have ones that you can
blackmail, you have ones that

1038
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,160
you can fool, you can ones that
you can trick.

1039
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:55,600
You have ones that are
corruptible.

1040
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,840
So when it comes to the magic
side, you've got all these

1041
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:02,960
different levels of people.
You have the interesting, nice,

1042
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,560
beautiful, spiritual people who
think they're doing something

1043
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,640
for a good cause.
And then you have people who

1044
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:13,960
join like hardcore, like cults
like Ordo Tempe Orientis, you

1045
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,840
know, which was I think was the
Aleister Crowley thing.

1046
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:23,120
And that's deep into gnosis and
astral travel and ritual and

1047
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:24,920
stuff like that.
So they've got all of these

1048
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:29,880
useful people that through their
network of favors, you know how

1049
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,720
the Freemasons work, the network
of favors that they give each

1050
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:38,640
other, you, you find all of
these people rather easily to do

1051
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:43,560
to carry out these magical
things.

1052
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,280
So let's say we're in Los
Angeles, for example, and you

1053
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:51,520
have a coven of witches, you
know, and you know, they, they,

1054
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,360
they have their, their thing.
And then someone comes in and

1055
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,680
says, I want you to do a ritual
for me.

1056
01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:00,280
And I want you to do this ritual
based towards this particular

1057
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,240
person.
And they'll do it.

1058
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:04,920
They'll do this ritual or
they'll do this meditation and

1059
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,880
they'll do this trance towards
this particular person.

1060
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:12,760
And this is what they do.
So you have your chakra system

1061
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:16,800
and your energy body system.
They'll start by targeting your

1062
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:20,720
lowest chakra, which is your sex
chakra, which also ties into

1063
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:24,280
monarch programming because the
children are all sexually

1064
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:28,080
abused.
So the first wound is in the sex

1065
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,680
chakra, it's in the lowest
chakra, right?

1066
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,480
And this all ties in with the
with the magic and stuff.

1067
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:42,520
So what they do is they will try
to create an energetic wound in

1068
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:46,920
your lowest chakra so that they
can control you through your

1069
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:49,800
animal nature, your animal
desire and sex.

1070
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:55,520
And then slowly they'll move on
up the kundalini system and

1071
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:59,600
they'll breakthrough each one of
your chakras protective

1072
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:03,120
barriers.
And the most important one is

1073
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:06,240
the heart.
The heart is basically more

1074
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:10,280
powerful than our brain, right?
It functions as a brain.

1075
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:11,880
It's basically it's its own
brain.

1076
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,360
It carries its own memories.
This is all new science.

1077
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:18,080
You can Google the stuff that
the heart carries memories and

1078
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,000
it's basically a second brain
like they're saying.

1079
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,800
Stomach is also another kind of
brain.

1080
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:28,880
So that the energetic field
around the heart is probably the

1081
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,640
most important part.
And when if they can

1082
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:36,240
breakthrough the energetic field
in your heart and start to

1083
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:43,200
channel these, their, their
magic and their thoughts and the

1084
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:46,640
kind of manipulation towards
into your heart, they can

1085
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:48,840
manipulate the memories of the
heart.

1086
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,200
And this is something that
demons do right?

1087
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:54,880
A demon or a sleep paralysis
demon, which a lot of people

1088
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,080
have experienced with, but they
don't believe it's an actual

1089
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,600
demon.
The demon shows up and it's

1090
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:04,840
wearing the face of your mother
or your brother or your friend

1091
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:09,080
or a cat, right?
That you know, and it's wearing

1092
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:13,080
this face.
And that's the trick of the the

1093
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:17,480
heart memories.
So if they can get inside the

1094
01:14:17,480 --> 01:14:23,600
heart, they can make you believe
in, in this sort of subconscious

1095
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:28,240
interdimensional realm, make you
believe that the manipulation

1096
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,400
and the dark magic that they're
doing is coming from a place of

1097
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,360
love and familiarity.
It's coming from your family and

1098
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:36,360
your friends.
And the dreams that you're

1099
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:43,400
having now are about your mother
murdering someone, for example,

1100
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:47,520
you know, like you believe that
it's your your mother, but it's

1101
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:49,280
not.
It's someone else wearing the

1102
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:53,920
face of your mother.
And then after they penetrate

1103
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,560
the heart chakra, they'll go up
to the throat chakra.

1104
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,880
And this is a very important
part because they like to

1105
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:04,880
instill demonic entities inside
their targets.

1106
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:08,920
You know, you get like all of
this conspiracy stuff about

1107
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:12,720
Beyoncé having an alter ego or
Lady Gaga having an alter ego

1108
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,160
and like there's demonic
phenomenon around.

1109
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:18,400
I don't know if you guys have
heard any of those things.

1110
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:27,520
So they do, they actually put
demonic entities inside or

1111
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:31,640
around the target.
And they can only achieve this

1112
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:35,400
by breaking through all of the
protective barriers around the

1113
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:38,360
chakras.
And the most the second most

1114
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:42,120
important one for the control
aspect is to go up through the

1115
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:46,160
throat and into the tongue.
And the tongue is a very

1116
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:53,360
important thing when it comes to
demonic symbolism, right?

1117
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,880
You notice a lot of the
symbolism when it comes to

1118
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:58,800
demons.
They have these tongues coming

1119
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:04,240
out then and stuff like that.
And that's a way of taking

1120
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:07,400
control over what you say and
how you say it.

1121
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:14,600
And then obviously the final
step is to get up into the third

1122
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:19,080
eye and the brain region, which
means that the, this demonic

1123
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:26,720
entity or the black magic being
used by the occultists have

1124
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,360
succeeded in entering in your
mind.

1125
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,680
And from this point, they can
really direct you and lead you

1126
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:38,360
anywhere they want you to go.
And you'd think, you know,

1127
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:43,240
what's, what's the point of
doing all of this magic mind

1128
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:46,160
control stuff when you can just
mind control people with, I

1129
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:50,040
don't know, technology.
I guess they enjoy it.

1130
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:50,880
I don't know.
I don't know.

1131
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:54,680
They like doing magic.
It's interesting for them.

1132
01:16:56,360 --> 01:17:00,480
But as I said before, I think
that the magic and the

1133
01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:03,600
technology goes hand in hand
together.

1134
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:09,280
And then while all of this is
happening, when these occultists

1135
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:12,880
are going into their trances and
meditations, leaving their

1136
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:18,600
astral body and focusing their
energy into disintegrating your

1137
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:22,280
spiritual barriers, there's all
this other stuff going on.

1138
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:25,720
For example, they'll target
someone close to you in your

1139
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:36,120
life and they'll kill them.
That's Yep.

1140
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:41,040
Fucking heavy shit.
Oh man, it's really fucked up.

1141
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:51,280
Like I, I don't, I don't know if
we broke out from you, but right

1142
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:54,600
when you said that really,
really heavy part, you broke

1143
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:58,800
out.
Now, the good thing about all

1144
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,800
this is that you get recorded
locally.

1145
01:18:02,440 --> 01:18:08,040
So this will record on your side
and my system will pull that

1146
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:09,960
off.
So the audio recording will be

1147
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:14,160
perfectly fine.
But it is, it is kind of odd

1148
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:18,000
that we're talking about this
really heavy stuff and you broke

1149
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,800
out right at that critical
moment.

1150
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:25,000
Very, very interesting.
I wonder why It's kind of a.

1151
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:28,680
You know, I've always said to
you kind of alluded to this a

1152
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:32,720
second ago, people always ask
like, why do they do these types

1153
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:34,600
of things?
And I always say because it's,

1154
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:37,720
it's their beliefs, it's their
religion.

1155
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:39,800
It's, you know, like you said,
they're in a cult there.

1156
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:42,680
It doesn't have to be a logical
reason that any of us could

1157
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:46,040
figure out why they do this.
Just like if somebody is like,

1158
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:50,120
you know, hardcore, whatever
religion you are, right?

1159
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:52,520
Like if you're a Christian or a
Catholic and you believe what

1160
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:55,240
you believe and you do the
things that you do because you

1161
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:58,040
have those beliefs, they operate
the same way.

1162
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,600
And we don't have to understand
it, but they're definitely doing

1163
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,200
it, you know?
Yeah, well, people are driven

1164
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:06,160
towards meaning.
They want to have a meaningful

1165
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:08,760
life.
And then of course you got the

1166
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:11,960
aspects of power and lust and
all that.

1167
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:15,040
But I think it's meaning.
People want to feel special and

1168
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:19,360
they want meaning in their life.
And you know, if you, if you're

1169
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:22,560
someone who starts having
psychic experiences as a young

1170
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,400
child, it's like, wow, it's
exciting.

1171
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,360
You know, you start noticing all
of these, these things and

1172
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:31,240
having outer body experiences
and stuff like that.

1173
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:35,320
And so you go in that direction
because it's fascinating.

1174
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:42,280
It is absolutely fascinating.
And the darker stuff is way more

1175
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:45,960
interesting, way more
interesting than the the lighter

1176
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:52,760
stuff, you know?
Yeah, that's man, I'll tell you,

1177
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:58,520
I don't get AI don't get into my
my personal feelings on a lot of

1178
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:03,520
things in this podcast.
I, I tend to try to stay away

1179
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:07,400
from like my personal beliefs,
especially on like the the side

1180
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:12,160
of politics and, and such right
But.

1181
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:16,720
One thing that I'll, I'll never
shy away from is my, my feelings

1182
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:20,880
against pedophilia.
And it's just, I, I got, I have

1183
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,440
4 kids and it's just something
that doesn't sit well with me.

1184
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:30,440
And you know, I've had, I've had
a multitude of guests on here

1185
01:20:30,440 --> 01:20:33,840
and we've talked about chakras,
we've talked about the astral

1186
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:35,920
body, we've talked about all
kinds of stuff.

1187
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:39,560
We've, and this is the first
time that we've really dove into

1188
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:45,520
warfare on that level and
manipulation on that level and

1189
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:49,720
talking about the levels of
chakra and attacking the lowest

1190
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:54,520
level being sex and attacking
these children in their lowest

1191
01:20:54,520 --> 01:21:01,040
level and hitting them to where
you can control them utilizing

1192
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:08,080
that method of warfare.
It's absolutely it's disgusting

1193
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,400
is what it is.
It's.

1194
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:14,200
And I've I've.
Just like when she was talking

1195
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,760
about earlier, like how they did
this on the masses with like

1196
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:18,560
COVID and stuff like they do
that.

1197
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:21,360
Like you can look at just the,
the explosion of like

1198
01:21:21,480 --> 01:21:23,080
pornography and those types of
things.

1199
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:26,640
Like all of that stuff is being
weaponized against all of us at

1200
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:29,040
this point using the technology,
right?

1201
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:32,640
Like, you know, if you went back
50 years ago, it was, you know,

1202
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,640
it was like a case by case or a
person by person situation.

1203
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:38,680
Some of the music and, and stuff
like that was helping.

1204
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:42,720
But now, like we're all carrying
around what's interesting is the

1205
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:48,200
little black cubes that we all
stare into that, you know, with

1206
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,840
that, like they're, they're
attacking all those levels that

1207
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:54,200
she's talking about and we just,
we accept that.

1208
01:21:54,800 --> 01:22:00,480
And we're, and it's a, it's a
fucking onslaught 24/7, yeah.

1209
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:05,480
It's, it's difficult to contend
with that this technology and

1210
01:22:05,480 --> 01:22:08,480
then the purpose of the
technology and why it was

1211
01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:12,160
developed is, you know, to
control the human race.

1212
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:17,600
But then also as a Mystic, I
accept that all of this is part

1213
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:22,640
of humanity's growth and
learning.

1214
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:30,240
And that might sound like a
horrible thing, but it is, it is

1215
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:32,640
what it is.
You know, this technology is

1216
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:34,840
here and it's being created in a
bad way.

1217
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:40,120
My mentor, sort of a
Neoplatonist kind of guy, he

1218
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:44,240
told me that from every good
comes a good and from every evil

1219
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:50,000
eventually comes a good because
the universe comes from good and

1220
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:54,720
put out itself to go out to the
universe to experience itself

1221
01:22:54,760 --> 01:23:00,560
and then come back to the good.
So everything that came out into

1222
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:04,240
existence is now on a return
journey towards the good.

1223
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:08,120
So let's say in the law of
physics, in that perspective,

1224
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:10,720
everything has to return to the
good.

1225
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:14,160
So all of the evil things that
have happened in the world in

1226
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:20,240
some way or another produced
something that was useful for

1227
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:24,320
humanity.
So, for example, technology is

1228
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:28,840
being used in horrific ways, but
it is also connected us and

1229
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:32,880
taught us so much.
And that's the thing about being

1230
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:35,840
in this physical realm.
We experience these polarities,

1231
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:42,720
we experience separateness and
good and evil.

1232
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:45,840
That's the point.
That's why we're here.

1233
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,600
But yeah, the, the the
paedophile stuff is something I,

1234
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:56,320
I've seen these children, I
don't know if they did this to

1235
01:23:56,320 --> 01:24:00,840
me on purpose.
I feel like a lot of the

1236
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:05,280
programming they put people
through targets through, they

1237
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:10,160
surround them with certain
situations to desensitize them

1238
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:14,800
to these situations.
Like, for example, I don't know

1239
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:20,520
you, you go and join a a commune
with your hippie friends and

1240
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:24,120
they slowly desensitize you to
being surrounded by a bunch of

1241
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:27,600
fucking perverts so that you're
not capable of discerning or

1242
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:30,240
intuiting whether you're
surrounded by perverts or not.

1243
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:37,400
But I have seen a lot of these
children involved in the network

1244
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:42,360
and I have called the police a
couple of times, but I just get

1245
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:47,120
frozen in fear and I don't know,
I don't know what to do in these

1246
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:51,760
situations.
But I've I've seen seen it.

1247
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,760
And that that's an area that I
don't really want to talk about

1248
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:57,520
because we can talk, we can talk
about magic.

1249
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,720
And, you know, maybe 200 years
ago someone would kill me for

1250
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:01,680
that.
Not anymore.

1251
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:04,960
The only thing that would get
you dead these days is if you

1252
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:09,720
talk about that stuff.
And I'm more useful alive than I

1253
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:10,920
am dead.
So for sure the.

1254
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:13,840
Plus side is from, at least from
my perspective, I think a lot of

1255
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,920
that stuff is it's being
corrected.

1256
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:20,000
It's it's out in the zeitgeist
now, like you said, with the

1257
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:23,280
technology, like a lot of people
are talking about this kind of

1258
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:25,320
thing.
And like, I mean, you have like

1259
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,880
all these movements now, right?
Like Save the Children and

1260
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:30,080
everything.
So like I do think that they're

1261
01:25:30,480 --> 01:25:32,800
like you said, like things are
kind of tracking back the way

1262
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,200
that they should.
Who knows how long that takes.

1263
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,120
Maybe it takes 1000 years, I
don't know.

1264
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:40,040
But like it's definitely moving
back that way.

1265
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:42,840
I think just with the amount of
people that are aware of these

1266
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,080
types of things, right,
everybody's up in arms because

1267
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:48,240
where's the Epstein list?
You know, it's like, yeah, that

1268
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:50,760
that that wasn't a thing not too
long ago.

1269
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:53,240
So.
I think the whole Epstein thing

1270
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:56,040
has always been a distraction.
The whole Weinstein thing has

1271
01:25:56,040 --> 01:26:00,440
always been a distraction
because these are the things

1272
01:26:00,440 --> 01:26:06,440
that they do were horrible, but
they don't pale in comparison to

1273
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:11,160
the really horrible stuff.
I was going to say that it

1274
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:16,840
agreed it's.
The concepts are out there,

1275
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,160
right?
Like regular people are thinking

1276
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:22,440
about these kinds of things, not
as deeply as we're talking about

1277
01:26:22,440 --> 01:26:25,240
now, but it's in the the
mainstream zeitgeist now.

1278
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:26,880
It is, yes, it is.
It is.

1279
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:29,120
People are thinking about it and
this is what I want to do.

1280
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:32,800
Rather than trying to expose
that aspect of the criminal

1281
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:36,320
network which will do nothing
but get me dead.

1282
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:46,560
I can give some pieces of advice
on how to protect children and

1283
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:52,440
how to spot this type of
activity because they'll focus

1284
01:26:52,440 --> 01:26:57,840
themselves in certain towns,
certain towns where they'll be

1285
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:01,280
this network where they
basically use the town as a

1286
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:05,280
place to harvest.
Can you hear me?

1287
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:11,440
Says I'm reconnecting.
Whatever I'm moving.

1288
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:14,720
It's the Fed beginning.
It's the fucking feds.

1289
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:17,480
This is the stuff I don't want
to talk about, but I'll say they

1290
01:27:17,480 --> 01:27:18,840
don't.
Want you to talk about either.

1291
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:22,840
Yeah, yeah.
I'll just say a few small

1292
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:28,120
things.
You know, they'll use certain

1293
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:34,600
towns as places for harvesting
and creating abusable children.

1294
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:39,480
And these are not always like
disposable children, but

1295
01:27:39,480 --> 01:27:42,640
children within families, and
the families have no idea that

1296
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:44,040
their children are being
targeted.

1297
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:49,920
You want to watch out for what
kind of graffiti is around that

1298
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:53,680
town or that village.
What kind of sculptures do they

1299
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:58,680
have in the square?
Are they sculptures like with

1300
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:04,040
monarch symbolism like rainbows
or butterflies, or are there

1301
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:08,080
images where people are missing
their heads or covering their

1302
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:14,040
eye or things like that?
The graffiti or even not just

1303
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:16,320
graffiti but also in the
symbolism like sculptures and

1304
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:17,640
stuff.
Is there a spiral?

1305
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:21,120
If there's a lot of spirals
around, something weird is going

1306
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:23,440
on.
If there's spiral graffitis or

1307
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:28,000
spiral sculptures, especially if
it's a blue spiral.

1308
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:33,640
These are known CIA or was it
FBI pedophile symbols as the the

1309
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:38,920
spirals and they use they use
these really you can spot them

1310
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:41,800
in certain places.
They use them to let people know

1311
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:44,560
this is this is a place where
this stuff is happening.

1312
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:47,640
So you want to keep an eye out
for that kind of stuff.

1313
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:50,520
And you want to go to the
squares and you want to sit down

1314
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:53,800
at the bench and you want to
watch how observe how people are

1315
01:28:53,800 --> 01:29:02,120
interacting with their children.
So how it works is they'll

1316
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:05,760
target multiple children and
they'll groom them by slowly

1317
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:09,440
touching them in inappropriate
ways right in front of their

1318
01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:12,000
parents, but behind their back
in a way.

1319
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:17,080
Like, for example, if a child is
here and the groomer is next to

1320
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:21,240
them and the parent is in front,
the groomer will put their hand

1321
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:24,560
behind the child and slip their
hand down and touch them

1322
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:26,480
inappropriately right in front
of them.

1323
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:32,240
And nobody notices these things
because we think we trust.

1324
01:29:32,440 --> 01:29:35,120
We trust people are normal, The
world is normal.

1325
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:38,600
We can't possibly be looking for
stuff like that all the time.

1326
01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:41,920
But I do, because I've seen a
lot of it.

1327
01:29:42,480 --> 01:29:45,320
So I notice it.
I notice it every single fucking

1328
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:46,800
time.
I notice it a lot.

1329
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:52,080
So you want to always watch
where people's hands are going?

1330
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:56,920
Even if you don't have children,
go to your square, pay attention

1331
01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:00,720
if you notice that one guy is
lifting up the child that

1332
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:03,360
they're playing with that
they're related to or friends of

1333
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:06,680
the parents of, and they're
turning the child upside down so

1334
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:11,920
they can have a peek inside
their skirt and the father is

1335
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:14,720
over there watching and doing
nothing about it.

1336
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:19,240
Maybe something strange is going
on in this town or village.

1337
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:27,520
So I think that the best way
that we can protect and expose

1338
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:34,120
is by learning how groomers and
networks target children.

1339
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:44,080
So yeah, I think that's all
I'll, I think that's all I'll

1340
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:47,160
say on that.
Aspect may I tell you this is

1341
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:53,360
definitely the this is this is
definitely a milestone for this

1342
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:54,920
show.
I'll tell you this is.

1343
01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:58,880
I'm sorry.
No, no, no, no.

1344
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:06,320
This is I I'm beyond honored,
honestly, beyond this is this is

1345
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:17,360
a tough subject, but I, yeah, I,
I'm, I, I don't even know what

1346
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:22,040
to say, but I'm beyond myself
that, that I had the opportunity

1347
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:23,760
to, to, to interview you.
Cool.

1348
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:31,640
Yeah, I mean, I, like I said
earlier, I, if you're up for it,

1349
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:33,720
I would like to have another
conversation.

1350
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:36,640
You know, we can go like
further, you know, down

1351
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:38,720
different roads or whatever.
We don't have to keep talking

1352
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:40,480
about this stuff.
This stuff is pretty dark, you

1353
01:31:40,480 --> 01:31:43,280
know.
But yeah, yeah, you know, I

1354
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:47,880
would like to do like a follow
up just to go monarch and stuff.

1355
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:51,680
Yeah, Monarch, you know, learn
more about the magic and the

1356
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:54,920
symbolism and stuff like that.
You know what we need to do,

1357
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:57,280
Jeff.
We need to get CJ on here.

1358
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:01,960
So CJ is one of our old Co
hosts.

1359
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:05,840
The way that this show was built
is that, well, we've had this

1360
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:08,960
rotational cast.
Yeah, I saw.

1361
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:19,080
And CJ was our cult magic guy
and, and he he'd be right on par

1362
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:23,520
with everything you're saying.
I've got so much more to say

1363
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:25,840
about that.
I'm I'm just because I'm so

1364
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:29,640
tired and I'm not really well
prepared.

1365
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:31,960
Well, maybe.
I haven't gone into half of.

1366
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:35,760
Maybe it was.
Maybe we can set up a special

1367
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:40,280
day and time.
Yeah, I'm not opposed to doing

1368
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:43,800
it like earlier for us so that
it's not so late for you one

1369
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:47,120
day, you know what I mean?
I mean, I have to get up early

1370
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:48,960
for work.
So like, literally, if I go to

1371
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,720
bed right now, I'm going to get
not enough sleep, you know what

1372
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:52,680
I mean?
So I don't want to be in the

1373
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:54,200
same boat as you tomorrow at
work, so.

1374
01:32:55,160 --> 01:32:58,200
But yeah, I wouldn't be opposed
to like trying to do something

1375
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:02,880
earlier just so that we're all
like fresh and have time and,

1376
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:05,200
you know, all that good stuff.
Yeah, yeah.

1377
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:06,680
Yeah.
So you.

1378
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:09,600
Yeah.
But you, Coco, we'll talk more

1379
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:13,400
about that possibility, the
invites out there if you want to

1380
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:16,960
come back the answer.
'S yes for sure, for sure.

1381
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:19,640
You are more than more than
welcome.

1382
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:22,680
And we will, we'll work this out
so that it's on a friendlier

1383
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:26,880
time for you.
We'll get CJ here so that he can

1384
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:34,440
kind of, you know, be on the
same level as you, right,

1385
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:37,000
because you're you're very
intelligent in everything that

1386
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:41,000
you're saying right now and it's
it's very impressive I.

1387
01:33:41,080 --> 01:33:43,600
Appreciate that.
I know that you said you did a

1388
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:46,560
lot of studying and a lot of
prep work for this and, and

1389
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:51,160
honestly, I'm surprised that you
had to because it's, it's coming

1390
01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:53,920
off very, very fluently and, and
you're doing great.

1391
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:59,840
I appreciate that.
I, I wanted to make it rather

1392
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:02,600
structured so that I wouldn't go
off on loads of different

1393
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:05,440
tangents because there's so many
things that I could talk about.

1394
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:09,960
But it's been kind of hard to do
that this time around,

1395
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:13,560
especially with being a bit late
and a bit of a chaos and stuff.

1396
01:34:13,560 --> 01:34:18,280
So I, I didn't have it as a
structured direction as I wanted

1397
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:21,720
to go in with the magic.
But all of the stuff that I, I

1398
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:26,120
spoke about were things that I
gave myself permission to speak

1399
01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:27,640
about.
So I didn't go off.

1400
01:34:28,440 --> 01:34:30,120
Yeah.
Well.

1401
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:32,920
Like I said earlier, in my
experience, when you're doing a

1402
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:36,920
podcast, like the the more fluid
it is, usually the better it

1403
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:41,600
comes off, right?
And now that you've kind of at

1404
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:46,360
least gotten over like the
basics and like we, we know what

1405
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:49,560
you're about and like, you know,
the topics and stuff like that.

1406
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:54,600
The next time around we can come
in and like style in and go

1407
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:57,120
through like a structured thing.
It'll probably be easier to do

1408
01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:58,520
it that way, if that makes
sense.

1409
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:03,120
Yeah, yeah.
Well, yeah.

1410
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:07,000
Did you have anything else that
you wanted to say tonight?

1411
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:14,520
Well, yeah, there is so many
things that even certain things

1412
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:17,680
I was Jeff when I was.
Did you need to go bud?

1413
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:21,000
I mean, yeah, but I mean, I got
a couple minutes.

1414
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:23,120
I mean, I'm not like going to
hang up on you guys, you know,

1415
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:26,480
but.
No, go ahead.

1416
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:27,280
Go, go.
I'm sorry.

1417
01:35:28,440 --> 01:35:31,160
No, it's all right.
Yeah.

1418
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:36,360
It was more about how the magic
works and how they're doing it

1419
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:39,360
and stuff.
And I think that I was way more

1420
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:41,640
vague than I would have liked to
have been.

1421
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:49,040
But if if you guys think this
was a really good solid

1422
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:54,680
foundation of information that's
I'm happy with that.

1423
01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:58,080
I'm happy with that.
Like I said, if you want to come

1424
01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:01,720
back on and dive deeper into it,
you're more than welcome to.

1425
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:08,520
Absolutely.
Is the, the, the magic aspect

1426
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:13,200
and then the network aspect of
how they get various people who

1427
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:16,920
are interested in, in magic and
practicing magic and then use

1428
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:21,400
those people to go through
various stages of initiation.

1429
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:26,640
There's so much there, like so
many interesting things, like

1430
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:31,440
the, the thing about signing
contract, signing the contract,

1431
01:36:31,440 --> 01:36:34,000
you know, like signing your name
over to the devil or whatever.

1432
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:38,520
So they do this with these
celebrities and these various

1433
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:40,680
people, but they do it through
dreams.

1434
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:45,240
So you'll have the magician
who's like an astral worker, an

1435
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:49,160
astral traveler.
And within this astral realm,

1436
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:53,040
because it's the, it's a realm
that's hugely influenced by your

1437
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:56,200
imagination and your desires and
your thoughts, you can create

1438
01:36:56,240 --> 01:37:01,000
anything that you want.
So you they create these sort of

1439
01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:05,800
castles and these houses and
these buildings and then they

1440
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:13,560
sort of bring in the targets
consciousness into this castle

1441
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:16,240
that they've created, this
building that they've created in

1442
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:19,120
the astral realm so that they
are trapping a part of your

1443
01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:22,960
consciousness there.
And then what they'll do is

1444
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:26,080
they'll go inside your
consciousness and they'll start

1445
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:30,360
to build a whole new structure,
a whole new structure within

1446
01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:32,040
your consciousness.
So if you have your regular

1447
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:35,560
dreams, forget about it.
They're going to completely blow

1448
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:38,320
that apart.
And what they'll do is they'll

1449
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:40,920
they'll come in eventually and
they'll come in with a piece of

1450
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:44,760
paper in your dreams and they'll
ask you to sign your name on

1451
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:48,520
this, this piece of paper.
And they'll keep doing that and

1452
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:50,640
keep doing that and they'll keep
doing that and they'll keep

1453
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:56,000
making your dreams more and more
confusing and incoherent to be

1454
01:37:56,000 --> 01:38:00,880
able to to trick you into
signing yourself over to them.

1455
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:04,400
And this is something that I
really want people to understand

1456
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:07,400
that so many of these
celebrities that people think

1457
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:12,600
are devil, devil worshippers
that sold their soul, they had

1458
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:17,800
no fucking idea.
They had no fucking idea on a

1459
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:20,840
certain level.
On some level they had an idea.

1460
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:22,200
And don't get me wrong, some of
them do.

1461
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:25,520
Some of them know exactly what
they're doing and doing horrible

1462
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:29,320
things.
But even though some of the ones

1463
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:32,960
that kind of know what's going
on, like who's that new Doji cat

1464
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:37,480
chick, she gives the impression
that she kind of knows what's

1465
01:38:37,480 --> 01:38:42,080
going on.
But believe me, she doesn't know

1466
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:46,080
everything, not even.
This much about movies, and I

1467
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,000
know even less than that about
pop.

1468
01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:54,040
Pop music.
Right, so Doji Cat is a new pop

1469
01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:55,120
singer.
Yeah.

1470
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:58,840
She's a black woman, just kind
of got shaved head.

1471
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:03,760
And she's done a lot of music
videos with like, seriously

1472
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:11,480
demonic stuff going on, like
outer body, the sleep paralysis

1473
01:39:11,480 --> 01:39:16,400
demons and all of this creepy.
Like, so obvious, so clear.

1474
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:18,400
So clear.
Yes.

1475
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:22,040
And then, of course, years ago
you had Katy Perry doing that

1476
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:28,400
song about Jeffrey Dahmer and
the pyramids.

1477
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:32,920
What was it?
Make me your Aphrodite.

1478
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:38,000
I knew you were.
I've heard it.

1479
01:39:38,240 --> 01:39:42,120
Make your enemy.
I've heard it can't tell.

1480
01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:45,040
You what, you know, like a lot
of these artists too, they say,

1481
01:39:45,400 --> 01:39:47,720
and this happens to me, right?
Like when I'm writing music, you

1482
01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:50,640
know, you get into a flow state,
your brain goes into those Theta

1483
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:54,160
wave, that Theta brain state
where you people say, like the

1484
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:55,960
information just comes to me,
right?

1485
01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:58,000
So I think what you're saying is
right, Like a lot of these

1486
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:00,960
people, they, they sell
themselves subconsciously, if

1487
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:02,360
you will.
They don't even realize that

1488
01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:04,880
they've done so.
Then when their brain goes into

1489
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:07,400
that Theta state and they're in
that flow state and the

1490
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:10,680
information comes to them, it's
that, right?

1491
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:13,880
So like, she may have wrote
those lyrics without even really

1492
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:17,560
putting much weight behind them,
but that information was coming

1493
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:22,120
through subconsciously because
she had signed the contract

1494
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:25,880
subconsciously.
Yeah, it's, it goes into the

1495
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:29,440
idea of mediumship, you know,
when you pick up on spirit and

1496
01:40:29,440 --> 01:40:34,400
you start translating for the
spirit, stuff like that.

1497
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:39,560
But all true occultists know
that mediumship is a condition.

1498
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:42,040
It's an illness.
It's not a superpower, it's not

1499
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:43,640
a psychic ability.
It's an illness.

1500
01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:47,160
You're not supposed to give up
your body to another entity or

1501
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:50,680
another being to speak through
you.

1502
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:54,360
And that's kind of what's kind
of what's happening there

1503
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:56,520
apparently.
This is Doja Cat.

1504
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:00,760
That is Doja Cat.
That doesn't look.

1505
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:06,760
Well, listen, man, the black and
red is this is more symbolism,

1506
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:10,000
right?
There's a lot to there's so much

1507
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:13,120
man, like I never really got
into the pop culture side of the

1508
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:15,120
all the symbols and stuff like
that.

1509
01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:19,080
I mean, it's always been in my
peripheral, but I know enough to

1510
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:21,920
know it when I see it, right?
Like we're talking about with

1511
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:26,080
the black and white checkered
floors and stuff like, you know,

1512
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:27,840
like I know enough when I see
it.

1513
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:30,800
I'm like, you know, you could
ask Crystal, I pointed out.

1514
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:33,720
Sometimes we're driving around
and I'm like, that's an occult

1515
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:35,240
symbol right there.
And she's like, what do you

1516
01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:36,240
mean?
I'm like, I don't know.

1517
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:38,280
I just know that that's one of
the symbols, right?

1518
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:42,880
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I couldn't tell you much

1519
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:47,440
about pop culture, but folk
culture like Donovan, I can tell

1520
01:41:47,440 --> 01:41:51,560
you all about it because my dad
raise me in it.

1521
01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:54,760
Well, the interesting thing
about my grandfather is that,

1522
01:41:55,120 --> 01:42:00,080
you know, he was used during the
60s psychedelic revolution, and

1523
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:04,600
he was talking about the soul
and past lives and reincarnation

1524
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:07,680
and love and all of this
mysticism and stuff.

1525
01:42:08,440 --> 01:42:13,680
And then once the CIA was done
with their little psychedelic

1526
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:18,720
revolution experiment, they had
no interest or use for Donovan

1527
01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:25,240
anymore, so they kind of kept
him kind of distance.

1528
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:32,280
Yeah, that's that would have
been in the 70s, right, Because

1529
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:37,160
that's the 60s.
Well, I mean, he fell out

1530
01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:42,160
around, yeah, like 6970.
So that's when it became all

1531
01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:47,280
about Rock'n'roll and no longer
about the soul and.

1532
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:52,040
Sex, drugs and rock and.
Roll, that's exactly that's

1533
01:42:52,040 --> 01:42:56,000
exactly when the Intel agencies
started picking up on all this

1534
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:57,680
stuff, right?
Because if you go back to that

1535
01:42:57,680 --> 01:43:01,240
gateway process that that
document was released in 1984

1536
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:04,800
and in there it says that over
the last 20 years they had been,

1537
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:08,120
you know, researching all these
things, which puts it right in

1538
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:09,880
the mid 60s.
So.

1539
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:12,240
Man, that's fucking wild.
That's wild.

1540
01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:16,720
If you, if you light up the, the
you know what the governments

1541
01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:19,480
are, are are studying and the
programs that they're running

1542
01:43:19,480 --> 01:43:21,840
and you, you lining up with pop
culture at the time.

1543
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:26,560
The timelines are the timelines
are like perfect, like bone left

1544
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:30,080
once the Intel agencies and
stuff kind of figured out how it

1545
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:32,280
all worked or or their versions
of it I guess.

1546
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:35,040
I don't really know.
But once they picked up on it to

1547
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:38,280
a certain level, they didn't
need, like she said, all of the

1548
01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:41,920
artists from the, the late 50s
and the early 60s that were like

1549
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:45,920
doing this, you know, like they,
you know, they were on that

1550
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:48,840
occult side of things.
They were doing this stuff, you

1551
01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:51,280
know, more magically, if you
will.

1552
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:54,280
And then the Intel agencies were
like, hey, we could do this like

1553
01:43:54,280 --> 01:43:56,560
systematically, and they picked
it up from there.

1554
01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:07,120
Shit.
Oh, man, Oh, we this episode

1555
01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:08,680
could go another three hours
right now.

1556
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:11,160
We're not going to do that, but.
That's what I'm saying, man.

1557
01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:12,560
Well, there's so much more,
dude.

1558
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:15,360
Like we can't just like, hang
this up and be like, OK, nice

1559
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:17,080
talking to you.
Like, hey, you're like, no, we

1560
01:44:17,080 --> 01:44:19,120
have to.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1561
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:23,760
Yeah, man, yeah, 'cause we could
get into all kinds of shit right

1562
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:25,920
now.
Oh man.

1563
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:29,440
It's an infinite rabbit hole.
It is.

1564
01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:35,000
Hey, she said it.
All right, All right.

1565
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:38,640
What do you think, Coco?
We're good.

1566
01:44:39,480 --> 01:44:40,840
Yeah, I think, I think we're
good.

1567
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:43,560
All right.
Yeah, Jeff, you got anything

1568
01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:46,400
else, Ben?
No, no, I'm excited to do

1569
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:48,920
another one.
I wish I didn't have to get up

1570
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:51,480
and go to work like every other
slave in the world tomorrow.

1571
01:44:51,480 --> 01:44:54,240
But.
Not this going to do.

1572
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:56,880
You got to make that fake money
to pay those bills, you know

1573
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:59,640
what I mean?
Yeah, it's just the way it is.

1574
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:06,000
So yeah, if you guys, you know,
you guys will have time to go

1575
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:08,680
over some of the things that
I've said that I could have gone

1576
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:13,360
into more detail and you can ask
me questions and you can follow

1577
01:45:13,560 --> 01:45:15,960
up.
So many things to look up.

1578
01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:19,920
I made a a list of things.
Well, that's great.

1579
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:22,280
That's good.
And I bought a book so.

1580
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:25,360
Yeah, yeah.
But.

1581
01:45:25,800 --> 01:45:29,440
If you really want to know how
the magic works without me going

1582
01:45:29,440 --> 01:45:33,080
into my ridiculous way of
explaining things, this guy.

1583
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:36,240
This is everything right here.
Franz Barden.

1584
01:45:37,160 --> 01:45:41,840
Franz Bardon Initiation into
Hermetics that will teach you

1585
01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:47,160
how to become a magician 100%.
Hermeticism and Gnosticism, like

1586
01:45:47,160 --> 01:45:50,480
if you get into that dude, like
it's that's a whole rabbit hole

1587
01:45:50,480 --> 01:45:52,680
in itself man.
This is the.

1588
01:45:52,840 --> 01:45:57,960
This is the only published work
that explains in the most

1589
01:45:57,960 --> 01:46:03,160
simple, straightforward terms,
practical exercises to become a

1590
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:05,440
magician.
It's the only thing, the only

1591
01:46:05,440 --> 01:46:06,400
one.
I like.

1592
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:08,600
I like books.
I don't know if you could tell,

1593
01:46:09,480 --> 01:46:11,760
but I like them.
Yeah.

1594
01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:13,840
This is only one library.
I have another one upstairs.

1595
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:17,080
Another interesting one if
you're interested in symbolism

1596
01:46:17,440 --> 01:46:24,120
is The Sacred Tarot by CC Zane.
So the.

1597
01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:30,800
Sacred Tarot.
Every tarot card goes into just

1598
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:35,200
going to real quick.
You've got the astrological

1599
01:46:36,040 --> 01:46:41,800
side, the numerological side,
the Masonic side, the biblical

1600
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:47,040
side, the alchemical side, and
the initiation side, the magic

1601
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:49,680
side.
And is there one more occult

1602
01:46:49,680 --> 01:46:51,720
science?
And it gives you all of the

1603
01:46:51,720 --> 01:46:55,040
different explanations because
the tarot is basically the key

1604
01:46:55,200 --> 01:47:00,200
to all occult symbolism.
It's not some stupid card deck

1605
01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:03,360
of cards that you read the
future.

1606
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:06,120
It's actually way more important
than that.

1607
01:47:06,440 --> 01:47:09,280
So Oh yeah, that's another book
for your library.

1608
01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:11,400
Cool.
I appreciate.

1609
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:16,520
That tarot deck and I've only
ever looked at the cards for the

1610
01:47:16,520 --> 01:47:20,600
symbolism.
I've never use them, you know,

1611
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:27,800
it's just yeah, yeah, yeah.
Coco, why don't you share with

1612
01:47:27,800 --> 01:47:31,120
everybody?
This is usually the time of the

1613
01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:34,720
episode where I let my guests
share anything that they have

1614
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:36,560
going on.
I know you're an artist.

1615
01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:44,640
I don't, I don't know what kind
of public life you have, persona

1616
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:47,640
you might have.
Plug your shit, you know.

1617
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:51,520
Yeah, plug it all.
I, I'm starting a podcast called

1618
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:54,200
Tracing the Circle where I'll be
talking about magic and

1619
01:47:54,200 --> 01:47:57,880
occultism and all of that good
stuff going into as much detail

1620
01:47:57,880 --> 01:48:01,080
as I possibly can with a lot of
very interesting sources and

1621
01:48:01,080 --> 01:48:02,880
books and magazines from the
past.

1622
01:48:04,240 --> 01:48:09,360
So the the right now I've got a
YouTube page up and an Instagram

1623
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:17,480
page up, which is under tracing
the circle Coco Cyan rider, but

1624
01:48:17,480 --> 01:48:19,200
I haven't got any episodes up
yet.

1625
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:22,200
I'm preparing them right now.
Perfect.

1626
01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:24,280
I'll be out soon in a couple of
weeks.

1627
01:48:24,280 --> 01:48:26,080
I.
Think this and my.

1628
01:48:26,160 --> 01:48:31,080
Art, my art.
I've decided I'm not going to

1629
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:34,400
become a professional artist
because I don't want to be used

1630
01:48:34,640 --> 01:48:39,120
in that way by the systems that
utilize artists, if you know

1631
01:48:39,120 --> 01:48:42,200
what I mean.
Yeah, my art will always be just

1632
01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:44,680
a gift, you know, I give it to
people.

1633
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:46,840
I'm not going to sell it in any
way, shape or form.

1634
01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:48,760
So.
That's awesome.

1635
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:50,720
That's awesome.
And you do that with your

1636
01:48:50,720 --> 01:48:54,200
grandfather too, don't you?
Yeah, yeah, we've we've done a

1637
01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:56,160
few things together.
That's beautiful.

1638
01:48:56,880 --> 01:48:58,200
I love it.
Yeah, we'll.

1639
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:00,880
Talk more about him next time,
yes?

1640
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:04,320
Please, please.
My, my, my, my.

1641
01:49:04,480 --> 01:49:05,560
My.
Dad would love that.

1642
01:49:06,040 --> 01:49:10,760
He'll love that.
Well, do you have anything else

1643
01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:14,440
to plug?
No, I don't think so.

1644
01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:16,920
Do you want to talk about the
other podcasts that you're going

1645
01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:18,000
on?
You're more than welcome to.

1646
01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:23,400
Buy this camera.
No, I don't know.

1647
01:49:23,400 --> 01:49:26,520
No, I don't have anything else
think of right.

1648
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:30,240
Now, all righty well, Coco,
thank you so much.

1649
01:49:30,280 --> 01:49:34,240
I really do appreciate you
again, honored to have you here.

1650
01:49:35,200 --> 01:49:38,840
I don't know.
Well, I do know how I I got this

1651
01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:41,120
lucky, but you know, again,
thank you.

1652
01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:47,680
This was just lucky to have it.
Honestly.

1653
01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:52,600
This is amazing.
You're welcome back 100%.

1654
01:49:53,320 --> 01:49:56,280
We we will adjust our schedule
next time.

1655
01:49:56,280 --> 01:49:57,880
We're not going to put you
through hell, OK?

1656
01:49:58,440 --> 01:50:00,920
All right.
Sorry, it was worth.

1657
01:50:00,920 --> 01:50:03,520
It it was no, it was worth it.
Well, I worth it.

1658
01:50:03,800 --> 01:50:07,480
I really do appreciate you and.
Thank you, guys.

1659
01:50:07,480 --> 01:50:11,480
Thank you very much.
Once we cut off live, if you can

1660
01:50:11,480 --> 01:50:15,720
just hang out for just a minute,
that way I can load your audio.

1661
01:50:17,200 --> 01:50:20,680
It usually only takes about two
to three minutes and that's

1662
01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:21,560
about it.
OK.

1663
01:50:22,440 --> 01:50:24,080
I'm going to have to run and go
get the charger.

1664
01:50:24,120 --> 01:50:26,880
Hold on a second.
Yep, I'm on 2%.

1665
01:50:27,080 --> 01:50:29,120
You're good.
Thank you for watching

1666
01:50:29,120 --> 01:50:31,640
everybody.
All right, that's been another

1667
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:33,600
episode of the Infinite Rabbit
Hole podcast.

1668
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:37,400
Until next time, everybody, Bye.
Bye.

1669
01:50:51,330 --> 01:50:53,850
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1670
01:50:53,850 --> 01:50:55,920
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1671
01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:59,080
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1672
01:50:59,080 --> 01:51:01,760
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01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:05,320
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1675
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:10,200
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1677
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:17,200
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1678
01:51:17,200 --> 01:51:19,680
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1679
01:51:20,440 --> 01:51:20,680
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