249. Lyle Blackburn: Cryptids, Lore, & Music

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Welcome back to the infinite
rabbit hole.

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There are corners of the
American South where the Cypress

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trees block out the sun and the
line between folklore and

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reality gets very blurry.
Most people avoid these dark

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places, but our guest tonight
has built a career and a legacy

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walking right into them.
He is the physical embodiment of

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Southern Gothic.
You likely known him as a front

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man of the horror Western band
Ghoul Town, one of the narrators

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behind the Small Town Monsters
documentaries, or the author who

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literally wrote the book on the
Beast of Boggy Creek.

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I actually had the privilege of
sharing a stage with him just

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last month during Autocrits into
the Unknown Expert session.

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Seeing him in that element
really reminded me why he is the

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definitive voice in this field.
He bridges the gap between

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Rockstar charisma and Sirius
boots on the ground journalism

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like no one else.
Tonight we're waiting back into

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the swamp with the Man in Black.
Please welcome Lyle Blackburn.

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Lyle, welcome to the infinite
rabbit hole, my friend.

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Thank you.
Very awesome intro.

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I'm going to have to have you
come on every show that I do.

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So Lyle, just to kind of
introduce you to, if there's

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anybody that listens to this
podcast that don't, that doesn't

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know who you are, I've
referenced you in a ton of

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episodes.
We have 200 and where I think

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this is 205 and I probably
referenced you and at least 100

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of them at some point.
So for those that don't know,

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Lyle is a perfect hybrid between
Rockstar and cryptozoologist,

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urban legend researcher.
But he's not your everyday sit

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at the desk, read a book,
Google.

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He actually gets out there, goes
to these small towns and does

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first hand interviews and first
hand research with these places

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of lore and legend.
I myself have a ton of his

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books.
I've done specials for this show

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where I've utilized books that
I've referenced.

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I've referenced books that he's
written specifically about the

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topics that I did my research
on, such as The Lizard Man of

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Bishopville.
This one was probably one of our

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more more popular Cryptid
episodes that we've ever done,

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and 90% of my research came
directly from Lyle's book.

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Another one being the Beast of
Boggy Creek was, was one that

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absolutely took off and that's
100% thanks to Lyle.

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I, I would say about 75% of my
research came from this one,

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the, and the Boggy Creek case
book that he has written.

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But thanks to him, I was able to
get my hands on something that I

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didn't know I needed until I,
until I've read about it in one

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of his books.
And that was Smokey Crabtree's

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book Smokey and, and the Falk
Monster.

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So that's actually where I want
to start off in general.

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Lyle Right, We'll get to the
Rock'n'roll and everything, but

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I really want to know about the
the Monster Hunter.

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How did this begin for you?
How?

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Where did you get your start and
your love for all this stuff?

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Well, you know, the short of
that is that as far back as I

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can remember, I just loved movie
monsters, anything spooky or

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monstrous.
And of course, you know, I saw

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what I could on TV back in the
day and, you know, I was

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familiar with Famous Monsters
magazine.

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And then when I was in 3rd
grade, I got a book called

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Strange But True by Daniel
Cohen.

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That was the first time I'd
heard of Bigfoot, Yeti and the

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Loch Ness Monster 'cause it had
chapters on those.

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And that's when I was like, wow,
this sounds super cool because

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these are like monsters that you
might see in the real world.

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My dad is a avid bow hunter, so
I grew up hunting as since I

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could walk basically.
And so, you know, I was familiar

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with small towns and, you know,
wooded areas.

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So that was kind of Bigfooty.
But I, I was born in Fort Worth

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and lived in Texas.
So, you know, stories of Bigfoot

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seem far away.
And of course Loch Ness Monster

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and Yeti were, you know,
continents away.

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Then I saw the movie The Legend
of Boggy Creek when I was really

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young, sometime in the 70s.
And that really blew my mind

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because it was like happening in
a small town about 3 hours from

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where I lived.
So then it was sort of like,

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man, this stuff is so cool.
And I just had a lifelong, you

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know, passion for cryptids and
Bigfoot sightings and any,

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anything like that, real life
monsters, so to speak.

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And you know, I went on to
become a musician and I, I did

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writing as well.
I kind of wrote off and on, but

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I just never really thought
about writing a book, a book.

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It sounded boring writing a book
like I can, like I can write a

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song and I can go play it on
stage like literally next week

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or record an album and go on
tour.

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It sounded boring.
But then as I as an adult, I

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started looking more into what's
the state of Cryptid things.

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And I was thinking at it more
like with my adult mind and

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thinking, you know what, the
legend of Boggy Creek.

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I love that that that happened
all, you know, close to me and,

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and that would be really cool
book.

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I can't believe nobody written a
book on it because every

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Bigfooter, it's like, Oh yeah, I
love the legend of Boggy Creek

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because I'd gone to a few
Bigfoot conferences and things.

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And this was many, many years
ago.

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And so then I just thought, man,
I'll just going to go research

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this and go up there and look at
those places in the, in the

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Sulphur River bottoms and I'm
going to go hang out with

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Smokey.
And, and I just plunged right

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into it.
And then I wrote the Beast of

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Boggy Creek.
And then I just kind of did it

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because I want, I just wanted
to.

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And I got a publishing deal with
Anomalous pretty quick.

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And then with, within about a
month or two after that came

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out, I was getting calls from
television shows like Monsters

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and Mysteries in America and
Finding Bigfoot.

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Those were kind of just a lot of
those are really coming out and

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they were interviewing me about
the Falk monster.

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And I just thought, OK, this is
pretty good.

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This is fun.
And then I discovered this can

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be fun because I went out and
did you know, I was out in the

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swamp and talking to, you know,
people who lived in the Bottoms

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and interviewing people in this
town and talking of people

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telling me they saw a monster.
So then I, the writing was fun

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at that point because then, you
know, to write it up was fun

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because I wasn't just sitting
at, at a desk the whole time

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during the process of books.
So anyway, that that was good.

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And so then I just went from
there thinking, well, what other

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case should I do for my next
book?

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And that's when I thought, well,
the lizard man, because, you

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know, I'm kind of a huge fan of
like Creature from the Black

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Lagoon.
And this happened at skateboard

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Swamp in South Carolina.
I'm like, dude, this is like

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modern people saying they saw
kind of like a creature from the

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Black Lagoon.
So I went out there and hung out

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with Sheriff Truesdale and saw
all the police files and just

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just rolled from there and
continue with the books.

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And, and of course people said,
I love how you go to the places

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in your book.
So then I'm like, OK, now I got

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to go.
I can't write a book without

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going to the place.
So I just continued.

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Man, you are.
You're everywhere.

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You've you've blown up, you
know, I mean, ever since I've

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been really into this stuff and,
and doing my own research,

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you've been there, but you're
literally everywhere.

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If somebody knows or has the
slightest interest in

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cryptozoology, they know the
name loud Blackburn.

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I mean you're, you're part of
the small town monsters crew.

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Let's I want to dive into that
because honestly, that is beyond

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amazing from from my own point
of view.

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I I I've idolized Seth Breedlove
and everybody out in that crew.

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Shane and the grow in yourself
for so long.

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You guys are literally like a
squad of superheroes.

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When in the cryptozoology world.
How'd you get tied up in small

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town monsters, man?
And how is that?

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How is that for you?
Well, the, the first time I met

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Seth, I was speaking at the Ohio
Bigfoot Conference.

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And this would have been
probably around 20, 13 or 14

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maybe.
And he, he just came up and

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introduced himself.
I think he had read The Beast of

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Boggy Creek.
And he was like, oh man, I love

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small, these cases and how they
affect small towns.

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And we were talking about that.
He was, he was like, I'm going

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to write a book maybe like about
small towns in these cryptids.

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And we were just talking about
the subject.

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And then then he kind of pivoted
and decided to do that

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documentary on the Minerva
monster.

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He met a couple other guys.
And so they ended up just going

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for the film aspect.
And so, you know, you know, we

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just kept in touch.
And then he did the Beast of

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Whitehall.
And then when it came time, he's

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like a man.
We got to do Falcon monster.

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I mean, Boggy Creek is like this
quintessential monster has a big

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movie and affects the whole
town.

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So he said, I want, you know, I
can't do this without you

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because I, you know, I'd
literally written the book.

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So it was his idea to kind of
incorporate me more into it

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rather than just use my book or
whatever, or just interview me.

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It was like, here, I'm going to
kind of put interject you in the

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film.
So that's when he began that

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style of having me is like, you
should narrate it because I'm

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like, OK.
And, you know, I'd, I had

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narrated an episode of Monsters
and Mysteries in America.

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They did a Blackburn Files
episode and I'd, I kind of

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learned a lot by narrating that
episode.

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And so, so anyway, you know, we
did the, the Boggy Creek monster

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documentary and people loved it
and just sort of that style and

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we went ahead.
And so when he did Mothman, he's

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like, you know, I'm it's less
about me, but I want you to

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narrate it.
So I narrated it.

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So I think I've narrated now 10
of their movies.

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And you know, Boggy Creek and
Momo, I was in, I did, I was a

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host.
Like that's sort of a different

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kind of style.
But anyway, so yeah, it's great

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to work with him.
And I mean, we're, you know,

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Seth and I talk frequently or
run ideas and I know the whole

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crew, all the guys.
And you know, I'm kind of like

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the outlier.
You know, there's some of them

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guys work all the time together
on every production or whatever.

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But I'm sort of, I'm just, I'm
just the hired gun on call When

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he says I need you to do this, I
do it.

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And that it's always great to to
participate the latest.

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I just narrated the the intro
for the Ape Canyon documentary

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that they just did, which is a
very cool documentary just came

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out.
But I only narrate like the

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beginning and then they sort of
take over and tell the story,

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but I can't.
Wait for that years ago, Jake,

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what was it 2021-2022?
When we were in the paranormal

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network, we worked under Jason
Hewlett, who just started

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working, working with small town
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He did the Okopogo and he just
did heart of ice or the Wendigo

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story.
So it's it's cool, man.

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We're we're slowly meeting
people from from the small town

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monsters crew.
I was on Shannon Legros podcast

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a couple of years ago, two years
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I think now been trying really
hard to get her on here, but

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she's she's a very popular
person.

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She's still waiting.
That's all Shannon, if you're if

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you're listening, still waiting.
But guys, you guys have any

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questions so I don't hijack this
entire episode?

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Not really, man, Not yet.
He will once we get in the

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music.
Yeah, once we get in.

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I'm not like the biggest cryptic
guy personally.

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I mean, I find it like
interesting, but you know, it's

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not really like my my Forte so.
But I'm here for it, so.

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Oh yeah, man.
Let it ride.

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How about you, Jacob?
Yeah, that's funny.

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You're basically coming into
this space example of how you

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were real big into monster films
and stuff like that.

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Like that's like for I don't
celebrate Halloween, but I'll

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spend the entire month of
October watching all the B rated

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like creature features and stuff
like that.

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because the acting is awful, but
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of the whole thing and you know,
let's say like animatronics,

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things like that, right,
puppeteering and all that sort

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of stuff.
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me as, you know, one of my
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So naturally the next step is to
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and go searching for the
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stuff like that.
Everything is just like, oh,

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this guy's, you know, it's like
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time that you just.
I have no similarities with them

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whatsoever.
And it's just like I'm like, OK,

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well, this is kind of
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But yeah, it's like the second
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up.
I'm just like, look at that.

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Like the monster movies, like
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the whole ghosts and aliens and
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But yeah.
I mean, I literally live.

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I mean, you know, I don't, I
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balanced and skeptical enough
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I'm, I don't like, hey, I'm
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immediately going to see the
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It's like, but in a way it's
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Jones.
Like I'm living like, like in a

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movie or something.
Like I'm going to hunt for

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monsters in real life.
And some, you know, sometimes

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I've, you know, I've seen stuff
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sometimes I haven't, but it's
always just a cool experience.

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Like just it gives me a reason
to go somewhere.

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Like literally, I'm down on the
edge of a swamp in some state,

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in some backwoods in a trailer,
talking to some people that I

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would have never met in my
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And I So what do you want to
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You know, and you're just like
you may get here and you meet

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people that are just super
interesting and many of them

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have some really good stories
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Together, the cases of these
creatures that in some ways the

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story is just as interesting as
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sightings.
And Seth feels the same way.

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It's like it builds this whole
mystique, like the Mothman, you

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know, the lizard man.
It's like you.

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It almost exists whether it
exists or not because you're

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talking to people that are
telling you they saw it and you

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can't say they did or didn't.
You know, some people seem more

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credible than others, but you're
living like literally in a

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monster movie and then.
You're like, well, we'll take

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you out here on the boat down
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This woman saw, you know, next
thing you're out with in the

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middle of nowhere with some
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Put some real trust into them,
huh?

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Yeah, yeah, a few times I'm
like, but of which, you know, I

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think if I was just some writer
who's going out, but, you know,

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since I grew up hunting, I mean,
we were hanging out with a lot

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of rough dudes and wooded areas
and, you know, I was exposed to

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a lot of that.
So I was even though I'm like a

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city guy, I've been played,
played music in every major city

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and.
But I could still go in the

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So that helped me out.
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But I guess what I'm saying is,
yeah, it's like in a way, I just

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try to think I'm living in a
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You know, it's, it's funny, when
Jeremy and I started this

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podcast like five years ago now,
when we first started out, it

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was interviewing people that had
had experiences and things like

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that, right?
And it's the idea was to always

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get to a point where, you know,
especially when we were under

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the Paranormal Network, you
know, we were actually getting

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paid for our show and stuff.
And so the idea was we would put

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that money aside and say, take
a, you know, I was living in

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California at the time in the
Navy.

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And it was like, Hey, you know,
the Patterson Gimlin film was

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filmed just a couple hours north
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You know, how about if we all,
you know, take a trip out there

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and, and do that or, you know,
base camp in each other's

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locations because, you know,
Jeff was down in Florida, still

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is.
And then Jeremy was where were

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you in the Virginia at the time,
right?

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And.
Then you moved over over here to

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Wisconsin.
But yeah, that was like the

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whole idea is that we eventually
we wanted to get past just

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interviewing people like this
instead going places and doing

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stuff.
And so it's kind of interesting

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to hear your, you know,
progression to that point.

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So I think, yeah, we needed to
just get up off our butts and go

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do the thing.
Because I think that closest

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we've been so far is going to
UFO days here in Elmwood, WI and

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interviewing people that, you
know, say they've seen UFOs and

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all this sort of stuff.
We're at alien encounters and

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everything, and it's cool.
But yeah, I mean, it would be

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dope to go just running around
in a Florida swamp somewhere

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looking for some, you know,
Bigfoot variants or something

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like that.
You know, it'd be.

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Go look for the source of the
Mayaka photos.

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Downstairs.
Doing like the in real life

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stuff, it is fun because me and
Creamer, we've gone to like NASA

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and Space Center and like, you
know, we're always into the

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conspiracies and all that stuff.
So like just walking around with

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the camera and like checking
stuff out in person is a million

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times better than just talking
to each other on the Internet.

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You know, as much as I like
doing this, it's there's nothing

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like getting out there and like
boots on the ground kind of

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thing.
Yeah, I agree with you Lyle.

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You know, it's, I would say out
of all the things that we've

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talked about and people we've
talked to, I probably find maybe

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1% of it to be, you know, no
crap believable.

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But I mean, that's just me.
But regardless, the stories and

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the, you know, I don't have to
believe that it actually

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happened, but I can believe that
they believe that it happened

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sort of a thing.
But you know, the stories and

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you know, you get real
interesting.

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Like I don't think this guy's
making this thing up sort of,

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you know, situations with, with
some of the people that we've

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we've talked to.
And it's, it's really what when

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Jeremy and I started this, we
wanted to, I don't know, kind of

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help people that have had these
sorts of experiences that might

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feel so super isolated being
like, well, I saw Bigfoot and

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you know, and no one else that I
know has seen this and being

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able to connect those people
together and create a community

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like that.
So I like that you're, you know,

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the, I don't know what I'm
trying to say the.

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He's written the script for the
whole thing, man.

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The description that you gave
of, of meeting interesting

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characters, you know, backwoods
type people and stuff like that,

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Like that's really cool.
Like what a what a neat thing

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to.
Be.

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Yeah.
I mean, even if you know, even

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if you never come across.
The monster, see the monster,

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like you're still, you're still
living like a whole multiple

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lives worth of experiences just
meeting these people going out

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in the woods, like doing all
that.

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That in itself is an adventure,
you know, monster aside.

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But then you add that element
like, well, maybe maybe

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somewhere out here, this thing's
watching us or something, you

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know, maybe we'll stumble across
something that's, you know, like

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that part of it just kind of
adds that element of like, oh

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shit, here we go, you know?
Yeah, you just have to put

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yourself in these places.
You get a better perspective

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and, you know, it, it it.
And as a writer, I mean, my

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sinister Swamps book is probably
my favorite book because, you

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know, this every setting is
awesome to describe.

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And how many spooky ways can I
set this up?

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And in the, you know, that
covers a lot of notorious swamps

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in North America and lot in the
Southeast.

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I've been, I've been to a lot of
them, you know, over time.

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One time I went on a swamp tour.
I just drove around the country

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going to notorious swamps.
I just my friend, this, this

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girl Cindy, that does a lot of
research with me.

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I'm like, you want to go on a
swamp tour?

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And she always just says, yes.
I'm like, I don't know what that

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is, but OK.
So we're going to drive around

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to swamps and we're going to get
people to take us in their own

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boats.
She's like, OK, I mean stuff

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like that.
But you, you know, those are,

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those are fun things to write
about when you get home and you,

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you do meet interesting people.
And of course you're, I'm trying

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to interview people who had
sightings or whatever, but you

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know, it, you get a much better
perspective than even then

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seeing pictures or looking on
Wikipedia for the story.

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It's like, you know, you, you,
you can get a, a real good

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perspective on how somebody can
see something out there and go,

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you know what?
I can see why they thought they

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saw this or why they might have
because people think, oh, you

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know, there's nowhere you can go
or hide or, you know, people

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think, where could these
creatures?

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Hide.
I'm like, let me show you an

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aerial view of the Sulfur River
bottoms in Southwest Arkansas,

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and I'll drop you in the middle
of that with no GPS or compass,

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and you tell me if you can find
your way out.

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Is you this thick and muddy and
swampy and the average person

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and something could be 15 yards
with you?

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You walk by, if it doesn't move,
you're not going.

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To see it.
And that could be 15 yards every

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direction, every square mile.
I did some training, survival

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training once with Marines, and
those guys could hide

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practically in plain sight.
They're not wearing good ghillie

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suits and stuff.
They I learned a lot about how

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easy it is to conceal yourself
and that they're, you know,

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animals would be their
environment, that that's what

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they're made.
Survival is their thing, you

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know, and that's their domain.
So people don't really realize

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it doesn't take a lot of space
and something can be very, you

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know, secluded and, and would be
an expert in evading humans if

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it needed to be.
So you kind of get that

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perspective where you know what,
there could be something out

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here, the small population of
something and I just, you know,

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I wouldn't see it unless it just
made a mistake or something, you

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know?
Yeah, I discussed that with

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Jeremy once or twice because
I've, I've driven cross country

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twice now and I'm like outside
the cities, in the small towns,

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there is nothing out there.
Like people get this weird thing

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like, Oh my gosh, 8 billion
people, there must be, you know,

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not a single square inch of
untamed space anywhere, you

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know?
And it's just like, no, man, get

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into some of those states where
it's like Arkansas and stuff

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like that.
You get outside of in Oklahoma,

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you get outside the the towns
and the cities, and they're just

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trees for 300 miles before you
hit the next gas station.

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There's just nothing, you know,
it's just like, yeah.

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Yeah, all those, those 8 billion
people are in LA in the traffic

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or in Dallas in the traffic.
They're all after all, in one

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spot.
And then it is spread out.

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And there are places where, I
mean, you know, people penetrate

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a lot of places, but it's not
there's not great numbers of

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people tromping through some of
these areas, you know, sure,

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like there would be in cities
where it's just gotten so

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crowded.
But you know and.

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Even then, me and my wife almost
creamed a dough right outside of

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Walmart yesterday.
I mean, you know, it's still get

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in there, you know?
Right.

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I had a guy tell me no, I I
didn't find this guy to be the

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most credible guy, but he did.
He was trying to tell me there

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was some bigfoots down.
It was either no, it was either

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Costco or the Walmart or
something like he they were in

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the dumpsters.
I'm like, OK, I said I've seen

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some guys, you know, some people
at Walmart that might glance at

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and thank us all Sasquatch.
But you know, all jokes aside,

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he's trying to tell me they were
in the dumpsters or whatever at

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this city, like in Oklahoma City
or something.

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I'm like, I don't tell any
unless there's a portal in the

440
00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:12,320
dumpster or some really crazy
explanation.

441
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,120
I'm not buying it.
But you know, if this is a an

442
00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:19,760
area where it's very remote,
then yeah, maybe so.

443
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaking of portals.
I got one more question before I

444
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,840
forget.
So you're, you're pretty well

445
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:31,560
known now, but when you got
started, or I don't know, even

446
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,120
still today, if you ever come
into a situation where you're

447
00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:37,680
trying to interview people and
you just get completely

448
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,600
stonewalled, they're just like
have no desire whatsoever to

449
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,800
open up.
Some, you know, an occasion

450
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:51,400
where, yeah, where usually what
it is is somebody will have

451
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,200
knowledge about maybe I'm at a
conference or some way or

452
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,360
another a person me to go.
I know this old guy, he, you

453
00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:04,760
know, back, you know, 15 years
ago, he claimed he'll have had

454
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:09,040
some incredible sighting or he
and his buddy shot this, you

455
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,240
know, Bigfoot, some really crazy
story.

456
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,120
And it's usually somebody else
who's wanting me to get that

457
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:18,640
information.
And they're, they try to set up,

458
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,800
you know, a conversation with
that person.

459
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,040
And sometimes those are the kind
of people that are like, I'm not

460
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,160
going to talk to that guy.
You know, they don't even know.

461
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,280
They may or may not even know
who I am, but they just won't

462
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,400
talk.
And so those are the kinds.

463
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,640
Those are the times when I just
can't, you know, sounds like it

464
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,720
might be an intriguing story,
but I can't get those people to

465
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,480
talk.
And usually they're older people

466
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,160
and probably haven't told many
people about this or have told

467
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,680
some people and people laughed
at it.

468
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,720
And then they just said, I'm not
saying that more, but you know,

469
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:58,240
in general, I, most people you
know, will be glad to share with

470
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,920
me anyway.
They, they feel like I treat the

471
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,080
subject seriously.
So if they, if they know me of

472
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,000
course, and they've had a
sighting or experience, they're

473
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,680
glad to tell me or really want
to tell me if you know I, I

474
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,080
don't have too much of a problem
usually.

475
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,440
May got a lot here.
Jake and I were the original 2.

476
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,120
Our very first episode was a
interview with a good buddy of

477
00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:25,320
mine from the Navy.
He lived just outside of Slidell

478
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,600
in Louisiana along Pearl River
and he had a sighting of, of a

479
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,280
weird creature one night when he
was just walking outside of his,

480
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,840
his, his grandmother's house on
her property.

481
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,000
And he had never heard of, of
the Honey Island swap monster.

482
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,040
So I actually had referred him
to your book, Sinister Swamps,

483
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,720
and he read up on it.
And then I also gave him

484
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,880
another, gave him another
reference book.

485
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,040
I think it was, I want to say it
was a book called Southern

486
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,360
Saurians.
Anyways, between that he was

487
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:59,760
able to learn enough about the
Honey Island swamp monster.

488
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,400
And I actually found a local
woman there who was writing her

489
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,880
own books and selling them on
the on the side of the road.

490
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,680
And he came on, did the
interview with us.

491
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,760
And he has he has a really
interesting story.

492
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:19,240
But when you go into these small
towns with the, the growth of

493
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,960
technology now, right, because
you've been doing this for for

494
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,800
quite a while, are you seeing
differences when you go into

495
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:32,160
these smaller towns to learn
about their local legends?

496
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,040
Let's say honey on Swamp Monster
Momo, pick one, right?

497
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:41,520
Are you seeing a difference
between nowadays and back then?

498
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,240
And do you think that the
advancement in technology such

499
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:50,520
as AI or the ability to exchange
information at the snap of a

500
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:55,720
finger through the interwebs has
changed how people are, what

501
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,600
kind of information they're
giving you, and how you approach

502
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:05,840
these kind of topics?
Well, I mean, if you're talking

503
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:11,000
to people in a small town and
they're relatively middle-aged

504
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,320
or older, all that stuff has
literally no effect.

505
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,520
They're just like, here's what I
saw this when I saw it, my

506
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,680
cousin also saw something and
there you go.

507
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:27,160
They don't, they just don't care
that all this AI and all the

508
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:33,280
technology and sharing stuff and
is mostly centered around people

509
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,600
who are into the subject.
Not necessarily the people that

510
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:41,440
had the experiences, but people
who are on Facebook things and

511
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:46,360
sharing stuff and just endless
AI photos that people debate

512
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,160
about and stuff.
The only thing I've seen over

513
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:55,040
time is that sometimes people
who have had these experiences

514
00:29:55,040 --> 00:30:01,880
now have the ability to listen
to podcasts or watch ATV show or

515
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,600
is used to.
They didn't and they'll say, I

516
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,360
went, I listened to this podcast
where somebody said they saw it

517
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,640
and that was similar to my
experience.

518
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,960
So they do have a way to kind of
research.

519
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,400
It didn't really change the core
of how they present their story

520
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:22,000
or what it is.
But I didn't used to you didn't

521
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,680
used to encounter that people
would, you know, if they had

522
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,520
their thing and I've, you know,
and they would say, has anybody

523
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,440
else had these experiences?
But now, you know, people are

524
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,760
able to find podcasts and
things.

525
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,440
So a lot of times they've
listened to other stuff and then

526
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,120
they feel a little bit better
probably about their sighting

527
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,960
because like, OK, now there's
somebody else who saw something

528
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,920
that I thought I was the only
person that saw something really

529
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,480
weird.
So that it helps.

530
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:55,280
And I think that, you know,
things are easily shared now, of

531
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,640
course.
I mean, you can find 50 million

532
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,160
people saying they've seen
Bigfoot if you just look in all

533
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,280
these groups before, you know,
if you're old school, like just

534
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,640
think about John Green in the
70s, like how that how he writes

535
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,640
a book, you know, like, yeah,
like this, you know, that that's

536
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,160
this thick.
No Internet, literally

537
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,440
newspapers from around the
country.

538
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:25,840
I'm like, man, that is a massive
amount of, you know, research

539
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,040
investigative journalism, how he
did that.

540
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,360
Now it's so much easier.
You know, I'm writing a new book

541
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,320
and I just kind of read, you
know, I needed a sighting about

542
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,320
a certain creature and I, you
know, pulled some of my

543
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:45,840
followers online and some that
got me to a person who had this

544
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,600
amazing sighting.
And so I just literally use

545
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,040
technology so it's easier to
find things.

546
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,720
But at the core, you know,
people still are protective of

547
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,840
their they're sighting and they
don't want people to make fun of

548
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,960
them, of course.
You ever have anybody just like

549
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,800
totally waste your time?
Like you go across the country

550
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,760
or something and you meet up
with some people, they take you

551
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,960
out into the woods and you just
kind of realize along the way,

552
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,160
like this guy's literally just
like full of shit and like, here

553
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,200
is that ever happened to you?
That has that happened earlier

554
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,840
on where I would.
I wasn't as streamlined or as

555
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:28,120
busy and I would follow some
threads that, yeah, that weren't

556
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,320
very solid.
But after a while you learn

557
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,520
quickly which things seem more
credible than others and which

558
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,640
might be worth, you know, I
can't people have this

559
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,680
perception and like, hey, I just
had this sighting yesterday in

560
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,480
Michigan.
Can you come check it out?

561
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,760
I'm like, you know, that's not
cost and the time and it would

562
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,840
have to be, you know, it would
have to be like really

563
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,160
exceptional and or I'm just, oh,
well, I'm going to be up there

564
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,960
and maybe I can veer off and,
and talk to you or whatever.

565
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,400
You can show me your site.
So I did go on some, you know,

566
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,280
wild, wild goose chases early
on.

567
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,000
But I, I quickly identified
those people who said who tell

568
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:17,120
me extraordinary claims that I
would need to have more proof

569
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,440
or, or feel this is more
worthwhile if I'm going to

570
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,720
invest the time into it.
Because it'll just mean I can

571
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,760
find people saying this, these
sightings all over.

572
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,800
I don't need to go, you know,
necessarily to Michigan.

573
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,680
I can just go over here to
Oklahoma.

574
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,000
So yeah, I'm, I'm way more
picky.

575
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,200
So I don't get in those
situations anymore.

576
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,680
So in a, in a time where
actually, let me, let me

577
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:48,280
backtrack that few years ago, I
I would believe that some of

578
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:53,320
that better evidence to really
pull you into a location would

579
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:58,360
most likely be a video of voice
recording, even a photograph.

580
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,200
But now with AI come along the
way it is, how are you

581
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,160
deciphering what you're going to
actually put some effort into?

582
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,679
Usually, I mean, the top thing
for me is the person themselves.

583
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:13,920
I mean, because usually people
are just not going to have a

584
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,920
great photo anyway.
And if they had such an amazing

585
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,120
photo that was really real, they
probably would just put it on

586
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,520
YouTube or whatever, you know,
or on their feed, you know, But

587
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:28,280
mostly it comes down to the to
the person that if I feel like

588
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:34,639
they're, you know, credible,
relatively well spoken, you

589
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:38,520
know, it's not like, and they
had something that I feel really

590
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,560
affected them.
And you can, you can just tell

591
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:45,040
the difference and then you can
tell what I consider things that

592
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:50,760
are either wishful thinking.
Or illusionary or whatever.

593
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,199
It's easy.
So it's the person that would

594
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,320
drive it the most is to say.
And then of course, in pairing

595
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:03,920
with if I'm doing a book on, you
know, Momo Zuri and I'm

596
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,880
concentrating all efforts on
that, you know, then obviously

597
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:14,400
I'm more likely, yeah, more
likely to invest time and money

598
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,520
into going to look into
something there because it's

599
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,960
going to be in the book and it's
part of the story and not just

600
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:28,240
Billy Nilly going around the
country investigating sightings.

601
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:33,000
Because ultimately, you know,
unless I'm backed by some a

602
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,840
millionaire or whatever, or
there's a Tom Slick.

603
00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:41,800
But then like Peter Byrne had,
if you don't have that, you just

604
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,840
don't have the luxury of just
going around just randomly so.

605
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:51,440
Yeah.
So I want to dive a little bit

606
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,080
into the music that you do as
well and kind of the the

607
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,440
marriage between the two careers
that you have.

608
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,200
Has there ever been a time where
you're on some sort of

609
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,520
investigation, doing some sort
of research that's actually

610
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,520
inspired something for Ghoul
Town?

611
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,280
No, it's kind of a strange
thing.

612
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,760
It just they are two different
worlds and I don't somehow they

613
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,400
just don't mix.
I just the things I write for

614
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,800
Ghoul town just sort of come out
like that and kind of stick with

615
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,320
a kind of western spaghetti
western horror theme and

616
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,040
everything.
But those songs just come out

617
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,600
like they are.
I did kind of dabble with trying

618
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,200
to write 1 like a legend of
Boggy Creek song or put Bigfoot

619
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,000
and just sounded silly and it
just didn't work.

620
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,960
And I mean I literally just got
some guy the other day sending

621
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,920
me lyrics were a Bigfoot song
here you can use these and it

622
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,080
was pretty good.
But it was not it just the 2

623
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,360
worlds didn't meet.
So they're almost like one of

624
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,720
them's my day job or night job
and the other it's and they just

625
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,560
they kind of don't have anything
to do with each other unless

626
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,720
like playing some place.
Like I was playing with my doom

627
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:07,600
metal band in Germany.
Me and the drummer went to the

628
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:12,600
small town where where they had
a case of a werewolf, like a guy

629
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,480
was executed for being a
werewolf.

630
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,440
So like, Hey, that's not too far
from where we're at.

631
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,160
And we took a train over there
and, and went out there.

632
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:27,840
And you know, so sometimes I can
just piggyback things together

633
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,040
because I, it works that way.
But but in a way, they're very

634
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:36,160
separate and I don't, I don't
try to cross them over other

635
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,480
than this.
Like people you, I'm on a

636
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,360
paranormal podcast.
We will talk about the music and

637
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,840
people will go check it out and
they'll either like it or don't.

638
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,880
But a lot of people discovered
the band through that.

639
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,360
So they crossover and just
because I'm the guy.

640
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,320
But other than that, and I try
to do both, It's become very

641
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,640
hardest to do.
But we don't.

642
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,520
I just don't go on whole tours,
like long tours much anymore.

643
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,280
So you know, unless we're doing
an album, we play bigger shows

644
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,880
and stuff.
I have plenty of time to do my

645
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:14,800
own thing, you know, because I
really don't want to just spend

646
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,400
enough years touring around, so
I don't do do much of that so.

647
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:26,960
Yeah, I think I probably started
following your your music shit

648
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,080
probably probably about five
years ago.

649
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,200
I think it was in your I don't
even know.

650
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,400
It's one of the books that I
have that you had mentioned cool

651
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,640
town and and I was like, Oh no
shit.

652
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,280
So I had to I had to go check it
out.

653
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,280
I've been every time you guys
come up with something new on on

654
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,200
YouTube and it comes up on my
recommended page, I I check you

655
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,080
out, man.
I like to follow your career

656
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,880
either either one of them.
You do good stuff.

657
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,080
Yeah, it is kind of cool now
because like, you know, we we

658
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,360
did a kind of a southern tour
couple years ago and now you'll

659
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,720
have a lot of like Bigfoot guys
show up or Cryptid fans or

660
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:08,080
parent, you know, so I'll end up
talking to people like, hey man,

661
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,920
I love your book.
So, you know, they'll come to

662
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,520
the shows, you know, that didn't
used to happen.

663
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,080
You know, Google Town was Google
Town and but yeah, so now I get

664
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,760
to meet a lot of people that
just became fans.

665
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,040
But they're, you know, they're
huge fans of cryptids.

666
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,160
So they'll come out and, you
know, talk.

667
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,720
And so that's cool because, you
know, any show there can be, you

668
00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:31,240
know, original Ghoul Town fans
and then, you know, Cryptid fans

669
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:33,040
who are also Ghoul Town.
So that's pretty cool.

670
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,680
That's awesome guys who have any
questions.

671
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,320
Yeah, which?
Which would you prefer if you

672
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,360
had to pick one right If you can
continue doing the monster

673
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,880
huntering or continue the music?
Like which path do you think you

674
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,120
take if you had to choose?
Which one of your kids do you

675
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,000
love more?
Yeah, which one do you love

676
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,840
more?
That is the problem man.

677
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,720
I literally cannot.
It's like they're both cool and

678
00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:59,680
somehow I try to do both, which
is kind of crazy.

679
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,360
It's like you really don't want
to do what?

680
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,840
To quote a term, you don't want
to chase 2 rapid 2 rabbits.

681
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,360
You shouldn't wear 2 hats.
But.

682
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,560
I only wear one hat and you guys
are the rabbits.

683
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,080
But yeah, it's just impossible.
So somehow I just try to do it

684
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,160
all and I balance it and I kind
of usually the band suffers, the

685
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,520
monster hunting doesn't because
I can control that.

686
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,320
The band may suffer a little,
but but I've been doing music

687
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,160
for so long.
Like before I was out of high

688
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,320
school, I was already in bands
playing fairly big shows and

689
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,560
even I was not even on vinyl
records and stuff.

690
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,080
So it's that's what's going on a
long time.

691
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:41,200
So I just do the band enough to
where I enjoy it and we just

692
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:42,720
have a good time and I do
everything.

693
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:48,000
So it's impossible to to pick.
I can relate to that honestly

694
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,680
man, because I've got like
multiple hobbies and it's like

695
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,560
it's like never.
It's almost like if they were

696
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,960
all jobs I would be miserable
because it's just never ending.

697
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,560
It's like 24/7 it seems like
except for when I'm asleep.

698
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,400
But you know, they're hobbies.
So it's all things that I enjoy

699
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,680
doing, but I'm like ping ponging
back and forth and trying to

700
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,320
write a song and trying to do.
They're trying to do a podcast

701
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:11,880
trying.
It's just like, it's a lot.

702
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,600
So I can see that.
Yeah, and I, I think though they

703
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:19,760
did that in some ways can help
because you never get tired of

704
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,000
one thing.
Like if I OK, I just put out an

705
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,840
album, we went on tour, I got to
write another.

706
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,600
Album, you know, if I had this
obligation or this label thing

707
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,680
where I'd I don't have any of
that.

708
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,240
I just literally do what I feel
inspired to do.

709
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,800
Hey, I'm going to work on a book
today.

710
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:38,680
I got, you know, loving this
book.

711
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,800
I'm right and you know I don't.
I'm not working on a book.

712
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:45,760
I've got some song ideas, so
everything is always just coming

713
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,960
at what I want to do and what
I'm inspired to do, which is a

714
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,520
better thing than if you you
know, if you didn't just have

715
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,400
one thing, you would, you know,
you definitely have to, you

716
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,440
know, the next album, the next
thing or the next book.

717
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:04,000
So it I think it helps to give
your best when you, you don't

718
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,680
have to do it, you just do what
inspires you and that's what you

719
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:08,320
look.
That's.

720
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,320
All you got any books about the
music industry?

721
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:14,880
Books about the music industry?
Yeah, no.

722
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,280
You ever think about writing
one?

723
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,560
No, there's, there's too many
creatures.

724
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,080
I can't.
Do.

725
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,320
The list of books is and so I
mean, I did, the only thing I

726
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,320
did was a, it's a book.
Tales from the Badlands, which

727
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,040
is the lyrics of Ghoul Town
Volume 1.

728
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,640
I did half, kind of half the
lyrics that prints the lyrics.

729
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,920
And then I talked about there's
like a page or so about just

730
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:43,880
something behind the lyrics or
the inspiration or just some

731
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,080
antidote about that.
So it's a book.

732
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,240
I mean, most bands probably
don't have a literary type work

733
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:53,560
that goes with it.
I I've only so far done volume

734
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,720
1.
I need to do the other half.

735
00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:59,440
But so that's the only thing
that is remotely music meets

736
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,120
book.
But but yeah, I've got there's

737
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,080
too many.
I think I've got too many books

738
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,880
in mind already to where I can't
accomplish that through my whole

739
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,960
entire life.
So I probably wouldn't jump off

740
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:14,040
and you know, do any other
genres of book probably.

741
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,680
Yeah.
All right, I got AI Got a

742
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:23,440
question from a from a fan.
I just got this text.

743
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:26,800
Are you friends with?
Are you friends with?

744
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,480
Yes, of course.
Yeah, all right, man, who wears

745
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:37,640
the Black Hat better?
Well, we tried to figure out who

746
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,480
had the hat 1st.
And so we were like, who had the

747
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,800
hat?
Which we're, we're, we're, we

748
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,560
Ken calls it.
What does he call it divergent

749
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:53,040
development or something?
But we were both in this before

750
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,640
we knew each other.
We were both kind of into this

751
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,080
subject.
We tended to wear hats.

752
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,680
He was a singer in a rock band,
wore the hat.

753
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:03,240
I was, I'm a singer in a rock
band, wear the hat.

754
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,880
We both ended up on television
shows, We write books.

755
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,880
And when we met, we were just
like instant brothers.

756
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,920
Of course, like, dude, hey, it's
you.

757
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,520
It's me.
But we did go back and say who,

758
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,320
who had the hat 1st?
And we could produce pictures of

759
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:23,240
us at the youngest of ages going
right here, buddy and match

760
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:25,720
where I think we got back to
three years old.

761
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,600
We both had a picture.
I'm wearing a cowboy hat.

762
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,040
He was wearing like a little
more like an Amazon Explorer,

763
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,560
but pretty close.
I'm like, OK, it's a draw.

764
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,480
But the good thing is, is and we
we we love the jokes because

765
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,480
people with the hats and this
and that and people will say,

766
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,280
hey, man, I saw you on TV.
We're never really sure which

767
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,400
one they saw, but it doesn't
matter.

768
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,440
We're both in the same place.
At one time I was like, this is

769
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,600
like double exposure, dude.
So we have a we just have the

770
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,800
best fun with it.
With the hat thing, yeah.

771
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,640
That's awesome, man, because.
I had a question for you.

772
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,600
So do you get you have like a
spare?

773
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,720
I do not.
So that's that's the one.

774
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,720
It's the.
One, yeah, this came from Mexico

775
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,120
around 1998.
I used to go to Mexico a lot and

776
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:20,880
there was this little shop that
had leather goods like really

777
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,520
badass boots and vests and hats.
And that's where I got the hat

778
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,640
right about the time I had the
idea for Ghoul town and stuff

779
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:33,360
and and it just, it was like the
magic hat.

780
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:38,320
And then I've since tried to
find like a backup or I probably

781
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,480
have to have a custom made
because they just don't look

782
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,800
quite the same.
So I just have this one.

783
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,840
I don't never gets out of my
sight.

784
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,320
Yeah, it's like it's.
Sleep with.

785
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,720
That.
Meat paced where they.

786
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,560
They've handcuffed it to
themselves.

787
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,080
I've been at the handcuff.
Hat.

788
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,560
Hey, I seen this guy on the
Internet.

789
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,720
I don't know his his thing, but
he does like those custom

790
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:01,600
leather.
You might have seen him.

791
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,080
He does like the really bad ass
like custom leather hats.

792
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,720
I think he goes to a lot of like
metal shows and festivals and

793
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,960
he's doing that thing.
You might have to hit him up man

794
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,600
and get you a spare just in case
because if you use that hat man.

795
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,840
Well, that hat's probably worth
a lot of money now.

796
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,880
I know a lot of people that
would love to get their hands on

797
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,000
that hat.
Yeah, I know.

798
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,520
I'm, I'm like it, it's in my
wheel to to my daughter.

799
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:26,480
So yes, she's like what I'm
like, seriously, I think it is.

800
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,760
But yeah, I, if I run across one
of them kind of guys, I, you

801
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,960
know, they can measure, measure
this one or whatever, It's

802
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,480
wouldn't be that hard to, to
redo it.

803
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,160
But yeah, I, I need a backup
now.

804
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,400
I kind of have, I have some
stunt double S.

805
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,680
They're not the same and I
wouldn't wear it in place.

806
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,160
But I have stunt double S like
if I'm going out in the middle

807
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:49,680
of a swamp and, you know, if I
want to, if I'm filming or I

808
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,600
kind of want the hat vibe, I'll
wear a different Black Hat

809
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,280
that's not quite the same.
But, you know, I don't want this

810
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,920
thing falling in an alligator
eating it or whatever.

811
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,720
You know, it was once cowhide.
So, you know, they may think

812
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:07,040
it's food.
But so, yeah, I don't wait.

813
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,280
Wear it out in the middle of,
you know, places where it would

814
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,040
be in jeopardy.
That's interesting.

815
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,640
I, I pictured you had like you
open up the closet and you had

816
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,480
like 10 of the same hat sitting
there just ready to go just in

817
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,920
case.
The black shirts though, like

818
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,160
yeah.
Oh yeah, me too.

819
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:29,080
Our guitar players why I have
this really, really randomly big

820
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:33,360
closet in this house and just
like girls love do just Oh my

821
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,360
God, look at that closet.
But our guitar player's wife was

822
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,000
in there when I just bought the
house.

823
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,320
She was and that just this line
of black, all black.

824
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,080
She's like, Oh my God, can I
take a picture of this?

825
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,240
Because yeah, but only one hat.
But all the black shirts?

826
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,720
Well, it goes with everything.
Yeah, it's universal.

827
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,920
Any other questions boys?
That's funny, I was just about

828
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:02,960
to make a joke about that.
Just to be like yeah, one hat, 3

829
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,200
pairs of shoes only black shirts
lined up.

830
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,560
Well, I learned that from
actually Alfred Hitchcock.

831
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,400
He had 31 suits and he would
just that way he didn't have to

832
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,040
waste time thinking about what
to wear.

833
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,760
He just wore them in order and
then they all got dry cleaned.

834
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,040
Yeah.
I mean, you can imagine he's a

835
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,240
busy guy.
He's got to drop these amazing,

836
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,200
you know, legendary movies.
He can't got time to pick a

837
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,640
outfit or whatever.
Hawaiian shirts another.

838
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,400
He's like, he had 31 suits and
that's what he wore.

839
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,120
So I was like, I'll just get 31
black shirts.

840
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,280
Good to go.
I love it.

841
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,560
That is awesome.
Hell yeah man.

842
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:47,200
Thinking about less things.
Right, you know, you, you and

843
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,760
especially, I mean, Jeff's
talking about how many hobbies

844
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,000
he's had.
You, you got a lot of stuff.

845
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,840
You know, we like to do a lot of
cool stuff.

846
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:58,600
So put your time where it's most
effective and there's most

847
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,360
enjoyment.
Picking clothes is, well, not

848
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,960
enjoyable, mostly.
Yeah, I mean, I, I wear like the

849
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,000
same 6 shirts.
I mean, if people watch the show

850
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,080
are probably wondering like how
many times am I going to wear

851
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,040
this shirt on the show?
Well I've only got like 6 of

852
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,880
them in the closet that I wear
but even then I'm still like.

853
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,520
Which of the six?
Yeah.

854
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,400
Maybe I should do that.
Maybe I should just throw them

855
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,840
all out, Just get all the same
shirt.

856
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,040
Yeah, so you just I just
straight black and I mean, I

857
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,400
have other shirts, but I did
have it.

858
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:34,360
I had one like job for a while
writing for this company and

859
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,960
that's all I wear every day is
my uniform is a black shirt.

860
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,120
I probably thought I wear the
same shirt every day.

861
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:41,600
I literally had, you know,
whatever.

862
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,920
That's awesome, man.
This is this is a fun interview.

863
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,040
Did you think you were going to
come on here and spend 10

864
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:53,520
minutes talking about shirts?
You never honestly and never

865
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,800
know what's going to await so.
We leave No.

866
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:01,120
I can answer, I can entertain
and answer any question people

867
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:02,480
like.
Is there something I shouldn't

868
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:03,760
ask?
I'm like, I don't know, these

869
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:10,200
guys asked about my closet.
Shit.

870
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,840
All right, let's see Head.
Well, I, I have a question then,

871
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,640
you know, talking about I, I
don't think we really ever get

872
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,960
into our guests and like their
their personal lives aside from

873
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,040
what they do.
And so you'd mentioned, you

874
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,800
know, your hat being willed to
your daughter.

875
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:32,360
How does having a schedule like
that balance that with having a

876
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,680
family life, too?
So I think that's one of the

877
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,360
things that we struggle with the
most here is like, how much time

878
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,800
do I dedicate to a podcast and
hobbies and work and all this

879
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,880
sort of stuff?
And then also, Oh yeah, I

880
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,600
haven't gone out on a date with
my wife and, you know, six

881
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,680
months, you know, I probably
should do that, you know, spend

882
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,400
some time with her.
So how does that all balance

883
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,360
out?
Because sounds like a lot of

884
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,800
travel.
Yeah, it is.

885
00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:00,560
So it, it does not balance,
which is why I, I don't do well

886
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:05,760
with, I'm divorced from my wife
and I don't do well typically

887
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:10,120
with relationships because it's
just that I, it's hard to do

888
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,880
unless they want to come along
for the adventure.

889
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,520
You know, I got it.
That becomes hard.

890
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:21,160
And so that, you know, but my
daughter's awesome and she's 13

891
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,160
and, you know, I have such a
flexible schedule.

892
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,480
And luckily the mom's cool and
lives close and we just kind of,

893
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,120
you know, just kind of back and
forth and it, you know, she

894
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:36,080
covers me and when I have to go
out of town and otherwise, you

895
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:40,160
know, I'm working on stuff at
home anyways, So it's, it's

896
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:41,920
cool.
And that gives me a little bit

897
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:47,160
of, you know, regular life and
my, you know, my daughter's

898
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,920
rewarding, you know, to watch
her grow up.

899
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,560
But yeah, it's it's not done me
well.

900
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,640
None of this has, you know,
being a musician and doing a lot

901
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,840
of touring before this or and
this kind of stuff where I'm

902
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,840
gone a lot or I have to work or
whatever.

903
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,640
Yeah, it doesn't.
That doesn't mix.

904
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:13,960
So I do my best.
Sorry, sorry for the downer

905
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,040
question but kind of curious.
That's.

906
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,240
No, it's, it's, it's good to
know, man.

907
00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:25,000
I mean, I've got 4 kids myself,
I'm married and it's hard enough

908
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,920
to just do a weekly podcast
where we interview people.

909
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:32,640
Me, I've been working on a book
for a year and a half now and I,

910
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,080
I don't, I don't see when it's
going to be done because I just

911
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:38,760
don't have the time.
So no, I appreciate the

912
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,240
question.
I appreciate the answer too.

913
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:42,080
Honestly.
It's yeah.

914
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,920
There'd be no way I could get
all this done if I, if I did

915
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:52,520
have more family obligations
than I do because, you know,

916
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,720
writing books, music, you know,
I was doing a podcast.

917
00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:59,560
I do YouTube channel.
I'm just, I'm like, all I do is

918
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,280
work.
I mean, it's fun.

919
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,640
I just do this.
I don't have any like, what do

920
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:06,960
you do?
I'm like, I don't know.

921
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,160
That's all I do unless I'm with
my daughter.

922
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:11,640
I'm with my daughter, I'm take
care of my daughter or I'm

923
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:17,000
literally doing this.
Speaking of Monstro Bizarro, So

924
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,200
what are you doing over there
right now?

925
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:26,000
Well, lately, so I, I've done a,
a podcast called Monstro

926
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,480
Bizarro.
I did about 20 or 21 episodes

927
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,800
because a lot of people would
comment on my narration for

928
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,480
small town monsters.
Oh man, you know, it's cool.

929
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:40,720
You got the voice and all.
And so I did that and it you

930
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:43,840
don't have a lot of people who
love it and it just, it doesn't

931
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,240
generate a lot back for the time
it took me to produce these

932
00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:50,840
episodes because it's like a
it's like an audio journey on

933
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,880
the these cases.
It's not where I'm just

934
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,440
interviewing people and they
took a lot of time to produce.

935
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,960
So but then lately I decided I
get a lot of questions about

936
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:04,520
certain things and locations and
I started have made these

937
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:05,760
videos.
They're short.

938
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,200
They're about 11 or 12 minutes
long and they're on my YouTube

939
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,000
channel, but I'm literally I'm
on the location.

940
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,200
The first one I did was the Ford
House, which is this thing from

941
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,320
The Legend of Boggy Creek.
People want to know where the

942
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,840
Ford House was.
It's like a climactic scene, the

943
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:26,240
movie, and that's where this
really crazy experience.

944
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:28,640
That these people had was
reported.

945
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,920
So I went on the site and I just
did that and like that video got

946
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,440
like 73,000 views like right off
the bat.

947
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,320
So I was like, OK, people seem
to like this.

948
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:44,200
So I so I followed that up with
some more on location ones and

949
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,880
I've done I've done 4 newer
videos.

950
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,640
Where I went out to Marion
County in.

951
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,520
Texas talked about a sighting.
There I went up to the Ozarks,

952
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,080
interviewed that guy.
Like like that had this

953
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,760
sighting.
And so I'm really starting to

954
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,680
put stuff on my YouTube channel
and sort of it's like my books

955
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:09,320
coming to life a little bit
like, hey, here I am at this

956
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:16,480
location and here's the story.
And so that's kind of what I've

957
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:23,480
been really trying to pop up
lately as far as my YouTube

958
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:28,360
channel, Monstro, Bizarro's.
Yeah, YouTube pays way better

959
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:29,920
than podcasting, I'll tell you
that.

960
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:31,800
You don't make shit doing
podcasts.

961
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:38,040
I noticed that real fast.
Like, you know, the the podcast,

962
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,840
it's fun and I like doing the
voice, but but yeah, it was like

963
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,960
night and day.
It's like, and I think people

964
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,280
were receptive to it because
again, we were, you know, the

965
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,640
things we were talking about at
the beginning of the podcast,

966
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,600
like going to the locations and
stuff.

967
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:58,200
And I've written about a lot of
these things and people who read

968
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,960
enjoy that.
But there's a, even the people

969
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,440
who've read the books will enjoy
seeing the actual place because

970
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,880
I know where places are that no
one knows.

971
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:12,920
Like I can literally like where
Christopher Davis had his, where

972
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,280
he was attacked by the alleged
lizard man.

973
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,720
I literally know the exact spot
where he was parked.

974
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,800
And literally nobody knows where
that is really.

975
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,520
Sheriff Truesdale showed me and
Sheriff Truesdale passed away.

976
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:31,760
So I mean, maybe a local person
may know that, but but you know,

977
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,480
those are places where I could
go and say right here, this is

978
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,440
where that happened.
And here's what it looks like

979
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,640
now.
And here, you know, people,

980
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:43,200
people seem to enjoy that.
So there's a little of things to

981
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,840
offer.
I, I may lose a, a few

982
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,840
listeners, but this one, just,
you know, in case they haven't,

983
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,000
you're, they're not familiar
with the story or they haven't

984
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:57,640
heard because we mix in audio
documentaries every once in a

985
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,960
while too.
And I, I did 1 based on the, the

986
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:06,720
Bishopfield Lizard Man where I
used your book as my, my main

987
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:12,080
source of research.
But I, I got to ask, since

988
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:16,520
you've been to that spot, I
mean, do you think his story

989
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,960
lines up?
When and what do you think of,

990
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,560
of, of this?
Well, he's not a kid anymore,

991
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,440
but back then he was a kid.
What do you, what do you think

992
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,440
of his historian?
Do you think there's credibility

993
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,160
to that just being at the
location?

994
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,920
Well, I, you know, right there
where that happened, it's right

995
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,200
skateboard swamp right there
through Bishopville is just a, a

996
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,360
channel.
There's all sorts of different

997
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:44,160
kind of swamps, some that are
flooded river basins and slow

998
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:48,480
flowing rivers like Everglades.
This, this swamp has basically a

999
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,560
channel running through it right
there.

1000
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,720
And there's a bridge, that
skateboard bridge, it runs under

1001
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,880
there.
And that little area is is wild

1002
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,040
and there's very few houses
right there.

1003
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:02,680
They're kind of scattered in and
around.

1004
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:07,000
There's a rural area, but if you
go there in the dark, I mean,

1005
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,160
it's spooky.
I mean, very spooky right there.

1006
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:14,360
IA 100% believe that something
happened to Christopher Davis.

1007
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,560
100%.
He did not make that up.

1008
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,200
He did not manufacture the
story.

1009
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:24,080
And he believed that he was
attracted by something that

1010
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:29,200
wasn't human.
I know that's 100% now it's

1011
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,320
dark.
It's scary out there.

1012
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:37,200
He was, you know, fairly young.
So, you know, there could be

1013
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,920
room for error.
And of course, the, that whole

1014
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:44,880
thing where people allege that
it was this farmer who had this

1015
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,560
little shed, the butter bean
shed, which is right there.

1016
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:52,400
I, I have a picture of me in
front of it, I think, but that's

1017
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,840
not far.
And people said it was this guy

1018
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,480
dressed up.
I'm like, this is a farmer, how

1019
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,120
well could he dress up as AI
mean?

1020
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:05,040
I don't see how that could fool
somebody, you know, somebody who

1021
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,240
says, like, you know, this
person came up to me and chased

1022
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,960
me, which would be scary enough
and out there.

1023
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,720
But so yeah, I think the the
location adds up.

1024
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,120
And I think Christopher Davis,
something happened to him.

1025
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:21,120
We can't say whether that was a
Cryptid or not, but 100% that

1026
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,240
kid was chased by someone or
something.

1027
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:29,000
Yeah, Let's see if I can
remember this just to kind of

1028
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,400
catch up everybody.
I believe it was in 1988, I

1029
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,640
think.
And I think Christopher Davis

1030
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:41,120
was only 17 years old.
He was, gosh, I think he was

1031
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,200
changing a tire right near Skate
Skate Horse Swamp.

1032
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,600
Yeah.
And he specifically mentioned

1033
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:55,040
this tall, red glowing eyes
preacher that charged him while

1034
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,600
he was outside of his car.
The lizard man that we know of

1035
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,000
now leaped onto the roof of
Davis's car and Davis speed

1036
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,240
away.
Davis escaped just fine.

1037
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,520
And then there was this whole
fiasco with his father when he

1038
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,160
pulled into the driveway that
night.

1039
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:13,160
That's pretty much it, right?
Yeah, yeah, he was.

1040
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,160
He had been working at, he
worked at McDonald's in

1041
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,440
Bishopville.
And you have to to where from

1042
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,680
his house, you have to pass
through Browntown Rd. and go

1043
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,440
past Skateboard Bridge.
And that's where he had the flat

1044
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,960
and he pulled over right there.
And yeah, he escaped.

1045
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,680
But you know, it's like they say
this farmer guy or whatever, I'm

1046
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,640
like, if it was a just an old
man, he's going to come out

1047
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,200
there and say, hey, kid, you
know, get out of here.

1048
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,200
I mean, why would he?
I mean, why would he be dressed

1049
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,680
in anything other than just
being a dude?

1050
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:47,360
What purpose would that?
I mean, usually if somebody

1051
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,520
doesn't want you on the
property, they come out with a

1052
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:51,840
shotgun and that's, that's what
you got.

1053
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,520
I mean, you know, one round of
the.

1054
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:58,320
Guy, fix it all.
That would right, that would be

1055
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,640
plenty enough.
You don't have to chase or jump

1056
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,400
on his car like what old farmer
is doing this?

1057
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,920
This just seems really stun add
up.

1058
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:11,560
But but yeah, that's the story.
And you know, I was back in 88

1059
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:15,520
and that that area is it's not
really getting more developed,

1060
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,240
at least at the last time I was
out there.

1061
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:21,680
It's still a few more houses or
whatever, but it's still looks

1062
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,280
the same.
There was some gnarly damage to

1063
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:28,320
that car too, wasn't there?
There's a big scratch on it down

1064
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,600
the side and you know, cuz when
Chris got to his house, he just

1065
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,120
ran inside.
He left the car running and ran

1066
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:38,240
inside his I guess woke his dad
up and down like what is going

1067
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,360
on?
And they went outside and you

1068
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,720
know, the dad was the one that
saw his son.

1069
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,680
So, you know, distraught.
And then he said there was a big

1070
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,320
scratch down the side of the
car.

1071
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,240
And then his dad just said, all
right, we'll just, you know,

1072
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,040
don't say nothing about this.
You know, dad didn't know what

1073
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:56,920
to do.
You know, he just believed his

1074
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:58,880
son.
And just they kept it quiet for

1075
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:02,520
a couple weeks till till there
was some stuff in the newspaper.

1076
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,280
And that's when the dad said,
well, maybe that has something

1077
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,840
to do with what happened to you.
Let's go talk to the sheriff.

1078
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,440
So his dad made Chris go talk to
the sheriff.

1079
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,280
You know, I scratched my
stepdad's truck one time and I

1080
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:15,920
told him it was the lizard
people too.

1081
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,160
Yeah, but that was a different
lizard people.

1082
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,320
You're right, it was different
losing people, but yeah.

1083
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,440
They always get the bad rap with
the car damage.

1084
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,800
Just just our residents swear
to.

1085
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,640
God, man.
It's the reptilians.

1086
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,760
Well, if I can, I mean, if I
could just say one thing about,

1087
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,080
you know, my appreciation for
the way that you do your job,

1088
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:42,760
man, I really appreciate the way
that you show empathy for the

1089
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,200
people of the towns that you
research.

1090
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:49,920
It's the one glaring difference
between any book that I've read

1091
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,440
from you and almost any other
modern writer.

1092
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:56,000
I mean, you, you seen it a lot
back in the day with, you know,

1093
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,840
Green Wavellman, Hinden Keel,
right?

1094
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:06,040
They, they all did a good job
at, at being respectful and

1095
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,760
everything to the, the locals of
these Zurban legends.

1096
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,360
But you just don't have that
aspect in a lot of modern

1097
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,160
cryptozoological writers or even
researchers.

1098
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,080
I mean, a lot of people who are
out there to make a buck right

1099
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:20,880
now.
And the real difference in your

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01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,160
books is that you don't only
just tell us the story of the

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01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:27,200
monster that you're researching,
you tell us that the story of

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01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,840
the town that you're researching
and you're visiting.

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01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:34,000
And you really do treat it like
you're a, a visitor.

1104
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,480
You know, you're, you're very
respectful in the way that you

1105
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,120
approach their history and you
tell their story.

1106
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:43,360
And it's literally the outline
that I'm using for the book that

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01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,040
I've been writing for over a
year now.

1108
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:48,920
You know, I'm, I'm hand, I'm
handling it like it's crystal

1109
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:52,720
and I've got silk gloves on.
You know, I'm trying to be as

1110
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:56,000
respectful as possible.
And it's because I like the way

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01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,600
that you approach your, your
topics so much.

1112
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,880
You know, I can't say it enough
to anybody listening to this

1113
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,120
episode.
If you have never picked up a

1114
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,360
Lyle Blackburn book, you're
missing out.

1115
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,760
You need to grab one because
it's, it's not just learning

1116
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,720
about a local legend.
You're going on a journey.

1117
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,320
You're going on a journey with
Lyle.

1118
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:19,120
Lyle's taking you along.
He's teaching you everything

1119
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:24,200
about the history of, of this
location and everything of

1120
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:28,400
possibility behind the story of
the, the legend itself.

1121
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:32,560
So I, I just want to say, you
know, just from one person that

1122
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:37,240
that looked forward to this and
the event that you and I did

1123
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,440
about a month ago now.
Thank you.

1124
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,080
That's it.
I've, I've looked forward to

1125
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,200
just telling you.
Thank you for writing such

1126
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:50,560
amazing books for so long and
being a, a, a really powerful

1127
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:53,480
voice in this community.
Somebody to really look up to.

1128
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,520
Yeah.
Well, I appreciate I appreciate

1129
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,080
it.
That's a great compliments and

1130
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:00,880
that's that's kind of why I set
out what I set out to do and

1131
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,520
achieve.
And I think, you know, I, I try

1132
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:08,840
to write these books so that of
course somebody who is into this

1133
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:12,920
subject or has seen something or
or a quote UN quote, A believer,

1134
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,480
no problem, they're going to
enjoy the book.

1135
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,560
But I want to write a book to
where somebody who's like, man,

1136
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:21,240
I don't know about this, you
know, like I want them to read

1137
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:25,440
the book and then go, you know
what, wow, there might be

1138
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,440
something to this.
That's where I I try to end then

1139
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,800
by doing, you know, by offering
all perspectives.

1140
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,280
I mean, it's a human, this is a
human story.

1141
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,120
It's just like people are saying
this because it ultimately we

1142
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:42,320
don't have any proof.
So it is a human story like of

1143
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,920
small communities and people and
groups of people and people that

1144
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:50,320
were affected by what happened
when people when this creature

1145
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,240
or whatever it was came to their
town.

1146
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,440
So I try to really write
something engaging that that

1147
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:59,440
encompasses more than just,
well, this guy saw something the

1148
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,320
way that that being said.
And that's what I do with those

1149
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:06,480
books, especially in like Momo
and Lizard Man and Beast of

1150
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,000
Arguca, those case books.
But but that being said, over

1151
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,960
the years I have gotten a slew
of reports that just didn't fit

1152
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,720
into any of the books if they're
about one certain creature or

1153
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,040
one thing.
So I actually have a new series

1154
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:22,280
of books coming out called
Terrifying Encounters.

1155
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:28,720
And this is the way for me to be
able to include what I think are

1156
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:32,240
some of the most credible
sightings that have I've

1157
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:37,040
researched or some of the most
like sensational or dramatic or

1158
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:42,160
scary, and also some of the more
famous terrifying encounters, if

1159
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,440
you will.
And so this is going to be a

1160
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:48,240
series of books that are a
throwback and you might like

1161
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,640
this to the old pocket
paperbacks of the 70's, the

1162
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:56,400
paranormal monster books of the
pocket paperback where there's a

1163
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,280
series of them.
And so book one will be coming

1164
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,120
out early next year.
It's called Terrifying

1165
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,120
Encounters.
The first one has Bigfoot, dog

1166
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:08,720
man, devil monkeys and other
mysterious manimals, which is

1167
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:13,480
essentially goat man sightings.
And these this is the first time

1168
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,200
I can really just they don't
know.

1169
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:16,760
It didn't matter where they
happened.

1170
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:20,920
They're just if it was a
sighting of, you know, and I can

1171
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,360
put the best of the best as far
as I'm concerned.

1172
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:27,840
And I think this is going to be
a good book because it's going

1173
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:31,240
to offer some really good stuff
and and some that I've never

1174
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:34,640
been able to write about that
I've had these been sitting on

1175
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:35,720
these sightings.
They're.

1176
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:45,360
A little bit smaller, yeah.
Put out faster than in the full

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01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:49,080
in depth case books.
That's awesome, man.

1178
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:50,720
I look forward to that.
I really do.

1179
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:51,520
Yeah.
That sounds dope.

1180
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,120
I can't wait, man.
I really can't, and I'm a few

1181
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:58,720
books behind on you.
I got to catch up on a few of

1182
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:00,320
them.
I know I don't have the the

1183
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:04,960
Bigfoot of Texas 1 yet and then
your what do your newest 1?

1184
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:06,640
I don't think I have that yet
that one yet.

1185
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:09,600
Well, lake.
Lake Worth Monsters, the newest.

1186
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,400
Yeah, the Lake Worth 1.
I don't have that one yet, but

1187
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:16,640
I'm really interested in that.
That first one you have there.

1188
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,160
I don't know if you and I have
ever talked about it, but I have

1189
01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:23,800
my own sighting of something
that that kind of sparked this

1190
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:28,279
entire interest that I have.
So I love, I love reading about

1191
01:08:28,279 --> 01:08:31,760
it just to, you know, do exactly
what you were talking about with

1192
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,640
some of the the people who reach
out to you, you know, do the

1193
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,520
whole, let me see if there's
anything that matches similar to

1194
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:41,279
what I saw.
I love doing it, love doing it.

1195
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:43,880
Jeff, Jake, you guys got
anything?

1196
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:47,200
Nah, man.
I appreciate you coming on,

1197
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,520
Lyle.
It's a good conversation.

1198
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,160
So maybe we'll do it again one
day.

1199
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:52,840
And that's pretty much it,
brother.

1200
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:54,760
You bet.
Yeah, I know.

1201
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:56,640
I appreciate your time.
It's been awesome.

1202
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:01,439
Sweet Lyle, absolutely.
You want to share with the

1203
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,439
audience of the Infinite Rabbit
Hole any, anywhere where they

1204
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:10,080
can find you or see your work.
Yeah, I just, I guess a good

1205
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:14,640
place to find out all the things
I've done or get links would be

1206
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:19,160
at lyleblackburn.com and that's
got a list of my books and links

1207
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,200
therein.
And Ghoul Town music can be

1208
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:25,640
found on all the platforms, you
know, Apple Music and Spotify

1209
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:30,279
and YouTube and anywhere else
but, and my books are on Amazon,

1210
01:09:30,279 --> 01:09:32,080
of course.
And then of all the work of

1211
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:36,520
small town monsters, you can
find that, you know, especially

1212
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,720
on Amazon Prime streaming.
So yeah, just hit up

1213
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,720
lyleblackburn.com and and go
from there.

1214
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,279
I appreciate everybody checking
it out.

1215
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,200
Absolutely, man.
All right, Lyle, I'm gonna go

1216
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:50,800
ahead and close her out and
then, if you don't mind, just

1217
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:52,720
hanging back for just a few
minutes so I can make sure all

1218
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:56,720
your stuff downloads and then
we'll be done.

1219
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,520
All right.
Sounds good.

1220
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,840
All righty, all right, well,
that has been another episode of

1221
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:03,320
the Infinite Rabbit Hole
podcast.

1222
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,960
Until next time, travelers will
see you right here in the next

1223
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,360
fork in the path of the infinite
rabbit hole.

1224
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,320
Bye now, bye.
Adios.

1225
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,040
Hey everybody, thanks for
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1226
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:22,120
Hole podcast.
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1227
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:25,280
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1228
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:28,000
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1229
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,520
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1230
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:33,400
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01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,400
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1232
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:39,480
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1233
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:43,400
And until next time, travelers,
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01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,880
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01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:46,880
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