IRH 268: Ohio Bigfoot Flap, Dark Matter Sheet & Are We Martians?

0:00 March 6th through March 10th, 2026, Northeast Ohio experienced what cryptozoologists call a flap, a term originally coined by the late John Keel regarding the groupings of UFO sightings. Six separate Bigfoot sightings in four days across Portage and Trumbull counties. The reports show a pattern in eastward progression. Montowa to Garrettsville to Windham to Newton Township, heights ranging from 6 to 10 feet, brown and black fur. And on March 10th at 4:00 AMA German Shepherd sees something in the wood lion and comes back inside shaking with fear. The Bigfoot Society says this kind of cluster activity hasn't happened since the 1970s.

0:42 That very same week, astronomers published findings in Nature Astronomy about a vast flat structure of dark matter surrounding our Galaxy, a cosmic sheet spanning 10s of millions of light years that explain why nearby galaxies move away from the Milky Way instead of being pulled toward it. And on March 3rd, John Hopkins researchers blasted bacteria with pressure simulating an asteroid impact ejection from Mars. 60% survived. The equipment broke before the bacteria did. Maybe we're Martians, said researcher Zhao. A Bigfoot flap in Ohio, a cosmic sheet of dark matter and bacteria tough enough to survive interplanetary travel. All of it happened this week.

1:27 And welcome back to Infinite Rabbit Hole.

2:08 What's up everyone, Jeremy Socia and you're listening to the Infinite Rabbit hole, your briefing on the unexplained. Today I'm joined by my Co host Jake, and we've got a packed episode tonight for you. If you're new here, hit that subscribe button and leave us a rating and review. It helps more people find the show. You can find us on infiniterabbithole.com, Book, Instagram X and YouTube. And if you're watching on YouTube right now, make sure you're subscribed to our channel. We're posting video versions of every episode so you can watch as long as we break down the unexplained. And as of right now, when we're recording this on March 12th, we're only 89 Subs away from our 1000 subscriber mark. Big stuff for us.

2:51 Before we jump into the news, I want to mention something I'm really excited about. On Saturdays, May 9th, I'll be at Capcom, the Cryptids Anomalies and Paranormal convention up in Fond du Lac, WI at the Radisson Hotel and Conference Center. I'll be sitting on the UFOUAP and C5 discussion panel alongside the likes of Ian de Graaff, Zach Screed, and Dustin Shoot up with Jeff Finn up as our host. If you're in the area or if you can make the trip, would love to meet some of you face to face. Use code rabbit hole at checkout utilizing the link in our recent social posts and you'll get 10% off your tickets. All right, let's get into it. We've got two stories in our briefing section tonight and then we're going deep on something that might actually provide evidence that life on Earth could have originated on Mars.

3:39 But first, our news briefing. In our first story, Northeast Ohio just experienced what crypto zoologist call a flap 6 separate Bigfoot sightings in four days, moving in a clear eastward pattern across Portage and Trumbull counties. For our second story, astronomers discovered a vast flat structure of dark matter surrounding our Galaxy that solves a 50 year old mystery about why nearby galaxies move away from the Milky Way instead of being pulled toward it. Before we jump into all of that though, we got to check in with the Co host. Yeah, good. But what's up, buddy? What's up, dude? No, I'm just getting this podcast episode knocked out.

4:19 I do have a shout out though. This week I was over at the grocery store here in town and I ran into a fan name's Ethan. Ethan, thank you so much for the conversation. Kind of chatting with him for a little bit on what he thinks about the show and the format and how we kind of came to decision amongst the Co hosts of of how what the format should be. And and it was a really interesting and productive conversation. He definitely agreed that the new format is a lot better and he didn't enjoy all of our bouncing around with different styles and everything than it. He agrees that this is cool, that it's current news, but that it also parallels our very earliest form of infinite rabbit hole where a section was read from a script and then there was chitchat about it and everything. And so he's really digging it.

5:10 And he thinks that we should expect to go a long way. And I was able to, he said he was going to recommend us to his his fans. And I gave him a bunch of business cards and stuff and he said he was going to pass them out. So, yeah, Ethan, thank you so much for for chatting with me and everything. And I don't know how Jeremy feels about this, but I don't personally feel like a celebrity or anybody of major importance. So if you see me in my truck with the infant rabbit hole thing on the side of it and you want to stop and say hi, feel free to approach. Like, don't you know, stare at me or anything like that? I'm I'm just a guy that works a day-to-day job and we do a show. So yeah, but it was if you want to come up and say hi and, you know, discuss the show and stuff like that, you know, feel free to.

5:56 But yeah, really cool talk with Ethan and thanks for listening. Great. Thanks, Ethan. Appreciate you, man. I don't have any fancy stickers or anything on my my vehicle, but if you know who I am, you see me by all means. I've been I've been recognized a few times in town, which is pretty cool. I love it. Talk to us that dig it. I'll tell you what though, man, it was super weird because I mean, that just, it doesn't happen, right? So it's like, it's just kind of getting used to people being like, like, oh, I listen to that show. I'm like, oh, neat. You know, I don't really know what to say. It's just like, oh, that's cool. Like even I was fishing one time.

6:37 Guy approached me while I was fishing. He's like, it's like, is that your truck parked over there? And I was like, yeah, he's like, I listen to that show. And I was like, oh, hi, I'm Jake. He's like, oh, nice to meet you. And we kind of chatted for a little bit, but yeah, it's kind of just kind of shocks me every single time because I'm not used to, you know, any sort of recognition or, you know, being noticed for anything 'cause I'm just normal guy. So it's like, oh, that's weird, you know, but that's hard to get used to it. The first time it happened to us to it happened together. And it was in the town that we're in now. I had just moved here. You you came up here to visit me. And we were in the local card shop with the kids. Oh, yeah. And the the lady behind the counter was like, I know that logo on that shirt. Yeah.

7:18 I was like, yeah. Isn't it? Wow, that's cool. Yeah. Before I even announced that I moved here or anything. It was pretty cool. Yeah. So you'll notice we don't have CJ today. That's planned for this week. I'm the douchebag. I'm going on vacation with family starting tomorrow, and tomorrow is typically the day that we would record. So we had to push this out a little earlier. In fact, it it, it might even be a a slightly shorter episode. Typically we do three to four, sometimes 5 briefings at at the front end of the the episode. But I had to really punch this out during my during my typical work days.

8:03 I've been at work 1314 hours the last two days and stayed up late getting this together and up nice and early getting it together and just just finish it off as I was walking on the door here before I jumped on with Jake. So we only have two topics for the briefing tonight. I do have a third topic that I have a script written up for, but I I didn't really edit it so I don't I'm not going to read it off. I also think that it may be too sciency for the infinite rabbit hole. It's it doesn't really have anything weird about it. It's just cool science. I mean honestly the last episode was 3 hours long so I think these guys could could use a break. Well, pretty good.

8:44 Pretty good chance that this one's going to be one of the shorter episodes of the new format. Even though we have been aiming for an hour long episode, we've been failing terribly. Miserably. All right, man, you got anything else before we jump into this? Nah man, ready to go when you are. Sweet. Let's do it. Between March 6th and March 10th, 2026, Northeast Ohio experienced what cryptozoologists call Flat 6 separate Bigfoot sightings in four days across Portage and Trumbull counties. This isn't just random scattered reports. This is a cluster, A pattern. The sighting started in Matua Center and moved steadily eastward through Garrettsville, Windham and into Newton Township. Something is moving through a corridor. Here's the timeline.

9:32 March 6th, 12:23 PM Montua Center. A local researcher spots a nine foot tall brown male standing about 120 yards away near State Route 44. The creature displays what they described as high situational awareness. It sees it's being watched and retreats at high speed. March 7th, 10:52 PM. Still in the Montua area, a witness encounters an 8 foot figure with long arms and dark brown hair. Before seeing it, they heard heavy footsteps. Quote 2 low, too spaced out and way too heavy for a deer or another hiker. Deep vibrating grunts and when they investigated they found oversized muddy footprints.

10:16 Then March 9th gets busy. 3 sightings in one day. 10:20 AM Garrettsville. A hiker encounters an 8 foot Sasquatch covered in black fur. Immediately evacuates the area. 11:47 AM. Headwaters trail a 10 foot black figure. The witness describes A stilt like gate and a strong musky odor. 6:00 PM in Windham. Now this was a little different, smaller, maybe 6 feet tall, brown fur, but running with what witnesses call an impossibly long stride. Then there's the most recent report. March 10th, 4:00 AM, Newton Township in Trumbull County. A resident let's their German Shepherd out on a chain. The dog immediately lunges toward the wood line and what they described as a highly aggressive move. The witness looks out and sees a massive black shadow, 8 to 10 feet tall crashing through the brush. They were very clear quote, way bigger than a bear. Then they got the dog back inside. It was shaking a German shepherd visibly trembling. Now the variation in height 6 feet to 10 feet in color, brown to black, has led the Bigfoot society suggest this might not be one individual.

11:27 They're working theory is a family group, maybe multiple subjects moving through Headwaters Trail, Greenbelt corridor. The Bigfoot Society has been tracking this closely and according to Jeremiah Byron, the host who hosts the Bigfoot Society podcast and has interviewed over 1000 people about Bigfoot encounters, this kind of cluster activity in a small area over a short time frame hasn't happened since 1970s. He says the witnesses are shook up, emotional, and want to stay anonymous. Now, full transparency here. The Portage County Sheriff's Office says they checked the reports from March 6th and 7th and found nothing about Sasquatch. No official police reports filed. But that's not unusual. A lot of people don't want to go on record with law enforcement about seeing encrypted. Ohio ranks 4th in the country for Bigfoot sightings, by the way, behind Washington, California and Florida. And the fact that this activity is showing a clear geographic progression moving steadily eastward, is what makes it so compelling to researchers.

12:26 The question now is whether this continues, and if it does, does it keep moving E does it cross state lines, or does it just stop now? Since I wrote up the initial bit of this script for this episode, there has been a major development this morning. When I checked on this story, as I do very often with a lot of cryptids, this story has actually gone national. This has made it to the mainstream on March 11th, yesterday as the time of this recording. Portage County Sheriff Bruce Zukowski publicly acknowledges the reports. He told Cleveland 19 News that 10 individual people contacted authorities saying they saw a quote UN quote big creature with a musty odor that suddenly ran when spotted.

13:10 But here's the thing. Garrettsville Police confirmed they received 0 official calls. The Portridge County Sheriff's Office has no formal reports that are filed about the Sasquatch, which means people are seeing something or claiming they're seeing something, but they're not willing to go on record with law enforcement. Same story we hear quite a bit. The story exploded across social media though. Fox News National picked it up. Yahoo ran it. UKYC in Cleveland called it the biggest crypted event since the 1970s. Twitter had a field day. Sports commentator Ken Carman posted quote. I have been to these places recently and yes, I live in Portage County, but I am not Bigfoot. Ha ha, so, so funny. And as of this morning, March 12th, again, the day we're recording this, there have been no new sightings reported since the March 10th German Shepherd incident. The activity seemed to have stopped. So either the family group moved out of the area or whatever was moving through the corridor is gone. Jake, simple question for you, man. Want to go to Ohio?

14:08 Yeah, let's do it. Isn't that awesome? Yeah. Well, we might have to go to the state east of Ohio, considering they're moving east. But yeah, I know. I mean, that sounds, that sounds pretty cool. I mean it definitely. I don't know it it makes it feel more like a real animal than just a figment of people's imaginations when they're it seems to be a group of them and they're traveling and there's variations like if it was the exact same, I don't know, description every single time, it would have a different feel than descriptions of what appear to be various individuals in a group. And who's to say? Like, I mean, you know, science is yet to officially say that, you know, Sasquatch is an actual animal.

14:54 But we know that great apes can, you know, or many animals rather, their hair colors change as they get older. You know, I mean, even our commandeer, right? They have spots and then they grow out of their spots into, you know, whatever color is kind of grayish or, or tan or whatever it is. I mean, who's to say that a Sasquatch wouldn't do the same thing? You know, they're one color as their juveniles and they grow up and everything. And, you know, it's not weird that they would be like, well, there's one that I saw that was like 6 foot tall, which basically, you know, the size of a regular person. It's like, OK, well, I mean, if Sasquatch are real, they're not born 8 feet tall, right? They're not born 10 feet tall. They're born at some smaller stature as infants, more than likely, unless they hatch out eggs, in which case they'd still be smaller, right?

15:45 And then they have to grow up to that. So it's, you know, and it makes me wonder. It's like, so let's say just for the sake of argument that Sasquatch is, is real, right? I mean, I haven't had my experience, and you've had your experience, but let's just say it's real. I wonder how many times we've seen a footprint on a beach or, you know, at a lake or something like that, or a group of footprints. And to us, they just look like regular, you know, size 10, size 1112 human feet. But they're actually juvenile Sasquatch because they haven't grown to their full stature where their footprint is now 16 inches long. And you look at that and you're like, either there's a six foot 8, you know, human being walking around here with monster sized feet, or there's a normal sized human being with monster sized feet. Cause I've met a couple of those. Or it's a Sasquatch, right?

16:37 And then you, you cast it and find out, you know, if it gets studied that there's a mid tarsal break, you know, like the great apes have and everything. And that's how you can kind of identify between a ape footprint and a human footprint is because of that mid tarsal break and then other varying degrees of, you know, varying factors. But you know, it makes you kind of wonder. It's like, how many times have you seen bare footprints outside and just assumed, you know, as somebody was enjoying nature when reality was actually a juvenile Sasquatch, right? So it's like, because, I mean, they have to grow up, right? They're like everything else, right? They're they're born small and then they grow up and they die. But yeah, I like that there's a variation in the sidings. Also it it appears that with the sidings, like you said, they're moving, right.

17:23 So it definitely seems like a troop of them are going from one area to another. And I would be so interested if we could ever get to a point where legitimate scientists would, you know, do some hardcore in depth research to find out, you know, the legitimacy of these claims to say, OK, well, these are real animals. And then we could study them and find out, you know, do they migrate? Do they migrate with food sources? Do they migrate with, with, you know, weather changes? Are they, you know, are they, do they roam around in troops or whatever, you know, whatever you'd call them as a group or a pack, you know, like, you know, all these variable, right, like any other group of animals that we study, Like how similar are they to other great apes, you know, type things and or not, right.

18:09 And so, yeah, I mean, I, I love that this was just like, like you said, a flap of sightings, but that all those different key things that went into it. So it definitely doesn't appear to be only one individual. It definitely appears to be a group of individuals. And yeah, unfortunately, we have seen that a lot where, you know, I mean, I didn't call the police when I saw mine running through Oklahoma, you know, or whatever it was. Yeah, I know you didn't call the police when you saw yours in the New England area. You know, even if I thought about it, I probably wouldn't have, right, Because, I mean, what am I going to do, waste the police time? But I go saw something and it's like, OK, well, no one was committing a crime, so, you know, what's the point in that regard?

18:51 But also, I don't know, it would probably, I mean, I don't care what people think about me and I have, I do this show with you. But I'm sure that there's a lot of people out there that would certainly hope that their reputation wasn't marred with you saw Bigfoot, you know, it's like, I don't know, are you a realtor and you, you need people to talk good things about you. You don't want someone to be like, yeah, I mean, he's a great realtor, but he's a little bit crazy because he thinks he's all Bigfoot one time and maybe you lose business, you know, I don't know. You know, what does that look like to the individual? So I can definitely see, you know, saying to maybe a news source anonymously, hey, I saw this thing too, but not wanting to go on official police report because depending on the what's going on, that might get broadcasted without you being anonymous, right?

19:39 An Oracle news station might pick that up and just be like, well, wasn't anonymous on the police report. It's not going to be anonymous now, you know, and then what does that look like? So. Yeah, well, it doesn't want. To be as odd at all. I wanted to bring up, I mean, you bring up some, some good points, but I wanted to bring up just a simple I, I, I want to show everybody how big this has actually gotten because this is, this is actually probably the one of the bigger stories that involving Bigfoot that I've ever come across. Just want to show you here. All I did was go to Google and look up Ohio Bigfoot. You can see it right here in the search bar. And go over the news tabs and look at all this one day 14 hours ago, one day nine hours ago. But here's that WKYC article that I that I specifically talked about Fox 8.

20:32 I mean, there's a lot, I mean, shoot, it's being covered by Newsweek. There's the Cleveland 19 article with the Bigfoot giving the back rub to the guy. They've been, they've been found in a, in a what? What do they call those happy parlors? Yeah. Weird. And then the the WKYC article want to make sure we give them credit for this. WKYC Studios wkyc.com even gives you a map and shows you the, the movement. It's pretty neat, man. I mean, there's this is something that we're going to have to keep our eyes on. We may be reporting on this again next week. If if this continues, if we keep getting reports of this.

21:16 But yeah, this was this was cool to to read about. And of course, you know, just being somebody who's interested in this kind of stuff and someone who checks current news for all the stuff I'm interested in. This stuck out like a sort thumb. I was like, I got to get this in for sure. Check it this morning. I already had this script written up this morning because I stayed up late to to get it done for this particular briefing. And I was like, wow, shit. I got to put an update in there because because it seems like a lot of a lot of different sources is picking up Very cool. No, but I like how you brought up a lot of different things. You know, you're right. They, they come out small, whether it's, you know, the same way as most mammals or whether they lay eggs.

22:05 And then by the the right age of two years old, they're 6 feet tall and ready to kick ass. But yeah, I mean, I don't know it the, the Bigfoot topic, it's something that I don't talk about too much on this podcast. I mean, we've, we've touched on it here and there and. Specifically a shirt for it So. You. You are. You are. That's an oldie. Yeah, I think his. Favorite podcast? He's wearing our shirt, so that's how you know. Yeah, that's how you know, I'm heavily involved in research for Bigfoot. Most of my, I wouldn't say most of my books, but a good chunk of my books back here involve Bigfoot. I just don't report on it very often unless it's a urban legend.

22:48 I, I feel like the topic of Bigfoot is too easy to talk about sometimes because, well, one, because I, I had my sighting as a kid, but there's enough evidence out there in my mind on top of me having my incident where it's not really a mystery to me anymore. You know, there's, there's a lot of evidence. I mean, there's a lot of reports of people finding human shaped feet prints or footprints out in the middle of bum fuck nowhere Alaska, you know, across a Creek bed. And, you know, I feel like the evidence is, is too good for it. And with my own personal account, it's not something I, I feel like I need to really dive into and dissect because I'm a believer, man.

23:40 It doesn't, it's not necessary to me very much, but I still like to read up on the reports. And I know a lot of people listen to the show. They, they like hearing about Bigfoot. So I, I feel like this new format is a really good way to squeeze some Bigfoot in there and make everybody happy and kind of give you an idea of what I'm looking at and where I'm getting my sources from. Always, always cool to talk about. Anyways, you ready to roll in? Ready on briefing #2 we're already a third of the way done. Oh man, isn't that crazy? But half an hour in SO. But half an hour in. Tighten it up. Well, the next two is about space, and we know you don't like to talk about space. True. Very fake. All right, on March 6th, 2026, which is at the University of Gronigan in the Netherlands, published findings in Nature Astronomy that fundamentally change how we understand structure of dark matter around our Galaxy.

24:33 They discovered a vast flat structure of dark matter surrounding the Local Group, which is the clusters of galaxies that include the Milky Way and Dromeda and dozens of smaller dwarf galaxies. This cosmic sheet spans 10s of millions of light years and it has cosmic voids above and below it. Let me explain why this matters. For over 50 years, astronomers have been puzzled by something that doesn't make sense. When you look at the galaxies near the Milky Way, most of them are moving away from us instead of being pulled toward us by gravity. That's kind of backwards. The Milky Way is massive. It should be pulling nearby galaxies in, not pushing them away. Astronomers have proposed various explanations over the decades.

25:13 Maybe there's some kind of repulsive force we don't understand. Maybe the distribution of dark matter is different than we thought. Maybe our models of gravity need adjustments. But this discovery solves it. The research team, led by PhD graduate IWAD Wimp and Professor Amina Helmi at the University of Groningen, along with collaborators from Germany, France and Sweden, use advanced simulations to map the dark matter distribution around the Local group. And what they found is that we're not sitting in a spherical Halo of dark matter like astronomers assumed. We're sitting inside a flat sheet. Think of it like a cosmic pancake. The Milky Way, Andromeda, and the other galaxies in our Local neighborhood are embedded in this flat structure, and above and below the sheet are massive voids regions of space with almost no matter at all. Now here's why That explains the 50 year mystery. Galaxies within the sheet are being pulled along the plane of the sheet.

26:12 Galaxies outside the sheet, above or below, are being pushed away by the gravitational influence of all that concentrated mass in the flat structure. So it's not that the Milky Way isn't exerting gravity, it's that the overall architecture of the dark matter creates a configuration where galaxies outside the plane move away instead of being pulled in. The team tested this by creating what they called a virtual twin. They built a computer model of the Local Group based purely on the motions and positions of galaxies without telling the simulation that the dark matter structure should look like. And the simulation naturally produced a flat sheet of dark matter with cosmic voids above and below. Then they checked the simulation against real observations. The virtual twin accurately produced the positions and velocities of 31 nearby galaxies without being told what those positions and velocity should be. Professor Amina Helmi said this quote. I'm excited to see that based purely on the motions of galaxies, we can determine a mass distribution. In other words, they reverse engineered the invisible structure of dark matter just by watching how galaxies move. Now here's the big picture.

27:19 Dark matter makes up about 85% of all matter in the universe. We can't see it, can't touch it. We can only detect it through its gravitational effects. And for decades, we've been trying to figure out how dark matter is distributed in large scales. Is it smooth and uniform? Is it clumpy? Does it form filament sheets or bubbles? This discovery suggests that dark matter organizes itself into large scale structures, sheets, and voids that shape how galaxies cluster and move. And that has implications for everything from Galaxy formation to the evolution of the universe itself. It also raises A philosophical question. We live inside this cosmic sheet.

28:01 We're embedded in the structure, 10s of millions of light years across, and we had no idea it was there until now. What else are we sitting inside that we haven't detected yet? So, Jake, so we're basically sitting inside this massive cosmic sheet, 10s of millions of light years across, and we had no idea until now. Does that change how you think about your place in the universe? Do I still have to pay taxes? You do. Then no, not much. I had a feeling that there wasn't going to be much to this one. I feel like if CJ and or Jeff were here we'd be just would break out into an entire conversation about how space is is fake and and dumb. Well.

28:43 I mean, it's interesting, but it's like space just isn't my. I know, I know. I know it's, it's not my super high interest point. It's I'm more focused on, you know, what's in the mountains and what's in the jungles and what's in the ocean and things like that. Like space is cool, but, and I think that we've studied more of space than we have the bottom of the ocean. I'm pretty sure that that's a accurate quote. The Moon. The surface. The surface of the moon. You studied more of the surface of the moon than the bottom of the ocean. There you go. That's in space, yeah, some some form of space. If you ask Jeff, it's not even outside the atmosphere. So I don't know it's.

29:24 Technically it's not. It's not. It's technically not, no. OK, well, but yeah, so that's, so that's really where my my interests lie is within the realm of things we can reach without. And I'm trying to say this carefully because obviously you're going to have to spend a lot of money and a lot of funding, a lot of science to get to the bottom of the ocean in most places because it gets pretty deep down there and it's just unsurvivable pressures. But it's probably a lot more feasible to get to those places then, say, put a colony on Mars, as much as Elon Musk wants to do that, right?

30:05 So yeah, it'd be cool, but a Kraken's not going to come from Mars and kill everybody in North America. So, you know, it might come from the ocean, depending on the satellite images that have been seen recently, right? So we'll see. You're talking about the Oh, man, it's, it's been a while. I'm surprised you even knew about that. The Leviathan. Yeah, I should bring that up. We never talked about that on this show. Did. We. No, we didn't. It was, you mentioned it and I looked into it and I was like, oh, that's, that's neat. So there was a just a huge thing that hit right before we changed to this this format about Google images capturing pictures of the leviathan.

30:48 Now I don't know much about the leviathan. I don't know, Jake, if you can maybe fill in what that what it is technically, I all I know is that it's a giant sea creature. It's. It's made mention in the book of Job in the Bible and it's just basically in regards to God explained to Job how powerful he is that he created the behemoth and he created the Leviathan. It doesn't, there's not some like big long explanation of it. It's not, you know, it's not made mention as if like people are hunting it type stuff or anything like that. So, yeah, I mean, I couldn't tell you something that lives in the ocean, you know, whatever there, whether it was a real thing or it was a metaphor or maybe it was in reference to things that we know exists today, like the whale shark or the blue whale or whatever, right. It sounds like the behemoths definitely could have been a large dinosaur with drinking up an entire river, having legs like cedar trees.

31:50 I believe I'm quoting that right, Leviathan. I mean, could be any large sea creature and shoot, it could have been, you know, God talking about him making the giant squid. You know, I, I don't know, but the the images were interesting. And that really is what piques my interest into like those sorts of things because it's like, you know, a lot of what we deal with with space is just like from a layman's point, like if there's a blood moon or, you know, and don't get me wrong, the Bible's chock full of like, you know, pay attention to the sky type stuff because there's going to be a lot of lunar activity towards the end times and things like that. But if there's a blood moon or there's a comet that goes by or an asteroid or whatever, you know, or you know, it's going to look like, oh, it's going to look like there's, you know, 2 moons or Mars is going to be super close, you know, type stuff.

32:45 You're like, all that is really interesting, but I mean, it's just, it's, it's OK compared to, you know, finding new animal discoveries, you know, new species, things like that. It's just, you know, you're right. Jeff and CJ would probably be Pickering amongst each other right now, but I'm just not the guy for it. Yeah, yeah, this can be a boring episode of them from Rebel. We'll leave now if you want. Go ahead. I'll screw you. No, I'll actually, I'll bring up images here. I just want to go on record that I don't believe these at all. I I just think it was, it was fun while it lasted, right? At no time did I think that this was even a possibility. It didn't.

33:34 It didn't make national news like big feet did. Suddenly you know that's. True. Yeah. But this is this is the image that everyone's talking or was talking about here. And this is this is a computer generated image of what they believe this represents. And then here I'll go here. This is Google Maps. There we are right here in in Wisconsin and right at the tip of I believe it was South America, right? South America. There it is. So I mean so. Basically a chain of islands mixed in with the topographical topographical map of the underside of the ocean.

34:18 Yeah, pretty much. It doesn't have the lines like a topographical map, but yeah, I mean, it's it it, it literally just shows you like a shelf and then you but it's it looks fucking badass. Let's be honest. It looks like the head of something huge, right? It does look cool. It looks freaking cool. But the way people were talking about this. I mean, you would have expected it to have moved by now. I know, I know. Right. Yeah, right. But it's like, come on, guys. It's this is this is pareidolia. Is what this this, that's what this is. It looks freaking cool. Could it be a submerged leviathan? I highly doubt. It So here's the thing, though.

35:00 Here's what piques my interest is like, all right, let's just say for the sake of argument that I was fully on board that this is like some dinosaur or something underneath the water. Maybe it's a skeleton of a dinosaur and that's making the shelf. I don't know. I could literally save up money for two months and take a trip to that point at the bottom of South America. May. I don't know how many stops that would be in a plane, but I could take a trip to that and I could rent a boat and go there and it wouldn't take me more than a few months of savings. I will never see the surface of Mars. You see what I'm saying? When it comes to like two things that that piqued my interest. I'm not smart enough. I don't have a specialty that the government needs for Mars. You know, they've got plenty of avionics technic we. Talk about man you got.

35:48 Your you got. Your AMP license. No, I don't. Not yet. You will. I will in a few months, but in that same few months I could be literally in a boat above that spot and be like, well, let's go down there and hold our breath, you know. But it's like I could, I could be there. I could go to the other part of South Africa right there. I could be at the bottom of that spot. I could go to Madagascar right there in that map. And I could do all those sorts of things. And I will never be on the surface of the moon. I'm not my cousin who's in NASA who's getting ready for a moon mission. You know, she knew what she wanted to be to do and wanted to be, and she made it happen through the US military and all that sort of stuff. Great for her.

36:30 Shout out to Jessica, good job. I will never be that. I'm never going to Mars. I'm never going to be able to probably see like the unedited photos from a, from the Hubble telescope or whatever it is or the was it the James Webb is the new one. Like I'm never going to be that guy at NASA that's doing that. You know, I'm a podcaster and I work on airplanes, but I could go see that maybe I save it for a year and that will get me closer to seeing what that is before I ever see the surface of another planet. So, you know, it is what it is, and that's why it piques my interest. You know, we could go to Ohio and see if there's big feet. We'll never be able to see Mars, at least what Mars really looks like.

37:12 And not like Arizona in a red filter, you know? I believe we can. No, I'm just kidding. Actually, I don't. I just, I got to share this with you because I think this is pretty funny. Somebody put it right next to Hampton Roads. I love my I love the red arrow. They should have been a red circle. They should have. They should have. For those of you that are new to the Infinite Rabbit Hole, Jake and I were in the Navy together and we were stationed in Norfolk, VA, which is, you know. There's a lot of ships out there that are dumping a lot of weird stuff into the ocean. I wouldn't be surprised if it's like. Poop monster.

37:52 Yeah, the sheer amount of human fecal matter in that part of the ocean has before they pull into port and after they pull out of port, has created some sort of a mutant giant sea creature that's sitting right outside of Hampton Roads. That's hilarious. There it is. That's proof right there. Proof Sea monsters. That's great. See, we turned it into something. That's great. All right, You ready for the deep dive, man? Yeah, dude, let's go. Guess where we're going? That's a space. We're going to Mars. Yeah, well, never mind. Yeah, I guess Mars is my interest. I don't know. All right, let's deep dive on March 3rd, 2026, researchers at Johns Hopkins University published a study in PNAS Nexus that might, and I'm not overselling this might actually provide the first experimental evidence that life could survive traveling between planets. This is about spermia, the theory that life doesn't necessarily originate on the planet where you find it. That life could start on one world, get ejected in the space through a massive impact, survive the journey and seed another planet.

39:01 And for the first time, scientists have shown that it's possible. Here's what they did. They took Dinococcus radiodurans. I'm going to butcher that because I say that a ton of times in the script. A bacterium known as the toughest Organism on Earth and subjected it to conditions that stimulate what would happen if a chunk of rock containing bacteria was blasted off of the surface of Mars by an asteroid impact. Specifically, they squeeze the bacteria between steel plates and subjected it to three gigapascals of pressure. Let me put that in perspective. 3 gigapascals is 30,000 times atmospheric pressure.

39:43 That's roughly equivalent to the pressure at the bottom of the Mariana Trench, the deepest part of the ocean, multiplied by three. That's the kind of shock pressure you get when a massive asteroid slams into a planet at 10s of thousands of mph. And here's what happened. 60% of the bacteria survived. Not only did they survive, they prioritized repairing the damage to their cell structures and kept functioning. And in some of the most extreme tests, the equipment broke before the bacteria did. One of the researchers, a scientist named Zhao, said this quote. We have shown that it is possible for life to survive large scale impact and ejection. Maybe we're Martians. Now that's a bold statement, but it's rooted in real scientific hypotheses that's been debated for over a century. Let me explain panspermia and why this experiment matters. Panspermia is the idea that life exists throughout the universe and spreads from planet to planet or even star system to star system by hitchhiking on rocks, comets, or asteroids. The concept goes back to the ancient Greeks, but the modern scientific version was proposed in the early 1900s by Swedish chemist named Savante Arrhenius.

40:56 Arrhenius suggested that tiny microorganisms could be carried through space by radiation pressure from stars. He called it radiopanspermia. That version of the theory has mostly been discarded because space is brutal. Cosmic radiation, ultraviolet light, extreme coal and vacuum conditions would destroy most organisms exposed directly to space. But there's a more plausible version of panspermia called lithopanspermia. Lithopanspermia says that life doesn't travel naked through space, It travels inside rocks. Here's how it works. A large asteroid or comet slams into a planet, let's say Mars.

41:37 The impact is so powerful that ejects chunks of rock into space. Some of those chunks escape Mars's gravity and begin drifting through the solar system. If there's life on Mars, microorganisms living in the soil or in cracks in the rock, some of those organisms could be inside the ejector material. Those rocks drift through space for thousands or millions of years, and eventually some of them fall fall onto another planet, let's say Earth. The rock enters Earth's atmosphere, heats up, but the interior stays cool enough that the organisms inside survive. The rock crashes into the ocean or onto land, and the microorganisms are now on a new planet. If the conditions are right, water, nutrients, a stable environment, the organisms could start reproducing in over millions or billions of years.

42:25 They could evolve into more complex life. That is litho panspermia, and it's not science fiction. We know for a fact that rocks get ejected from planets and travel through space. We found meteorites on Earth that came from Mars. Over 200 confirmed Martian meteorites have been discovered. We know they're from Mars because the chemical composition of gases trapped inside them matches the Martian atmosphere, which was measured by the Viking Lander in the 1970s. So the mechanism for transporting rocks between planets is real. The question is, could life survive the journey? And that's what the John Hopkins experiment tested. The researchers focus on the most extreme part of the journey, ejection. When an asteroid hits a planet, it doesn't just knock rocks into space gently, it creates A shockwave that propagates through the ground.

43:12 The pressure is immense. The temperature spikes. The rock accelerates from zero to escape velocity in a fraction of a second. That's the most violent part of the process. If life can survive the ejection, then the rest of the journey drifting through space, entering an atmosphere landing might be survivable too. So the team used a mineral anvil press to simulate impact shock. They place Denococcus radiodurans bacteria between 2 steel plates and applied pressure gradually until they reached 3 gigapascals. They held the pressure for a brief period, simulating the shockwave, and then released. Then they check to see how many bacteria survived and 60% made it through. Bacteria that survived showed evidence of damage to their cell envelopes, the outer membrane that protects the cell. But the cells prioritize repairing that damage. They activated DNA repair mechanisms, rebuilt their cell walls, and resumed normal function. In some tests, the researchers pushed the pressure even higher to see where the bacteria would fail, and they never found the limit.

44:21 The equipment reached its maximum capacity and broke before the bacteria stopped surviving. Now, Denococcus radiodurans is not a normal bacterium. It's an extremophile, an Organism that thrives in conditions that would kill almost anything else. Let me tell you about this thing. Denococcus radiodurans was discovered in 1956 by a scientist named Arthur Andersen. He was studying food preservation and tried to sterilize canned meat using radiation. The idea was pretty simple. Blast the cans with enough radiation to kill all the bacteria inside and the food would stay preserved indefinitely. But when Anderson opened the cans, he found that some of them were still spoiled.

45:03 There was a bacterium inside that survived doses of radiation high enough to kill every other known Organism. That bacterium was Denococcus radiodurans, it's nickname owning the bacterium because it's almost indestructible. Here's what it can survive. It can withstand radiation doses 1000 times higher than what would kill a human. In fact, it can survive doses that would completely shred the DNA of most organisms. It can survive extreme dehydration. You can dry it out completely, leave it in desiccated states for years, and then rehydrate it and it will come back to life. It can survive freezing.

45:44 It could survive heat. It could survive acidic environments. It can survive vacuum conditions. And the reason it can do all of this is because it has an extraordinary DNA repair system. Most organisms have one or two copies of their genome. Dinococcus radiodurans has four to 10 copies. When radiation or extreme conditions damage its DNA, and I mean really damage it, shattering it into hundreds of fragments, the bacterium can use that intact copies as templates to rebuild the broken ones. It has repair enzymes that reassemble the DNA like a jigsaw puzzle, and it does this incredibly fast. So when John Hopkins team subjected it to three gigapascals of pressure, the bacteria's DNA got shredded. But the cells didn't die, they just started repairing, and 60% of them succeeded.

46:37 Now here's the question. Is Dinococcus radiodurans representative of what could happen with other organisms? The truth is, probably not. Most bacteria wouldn't survive, but that's not the point. The point is that life under right conditions, with the right biological adaptations, can survive impacts powerful enough to eject rocks from planets. If Dinococcus radiodurans exists on Earth, it's not unreasonable to think that similar extremophiles could exist on Mars or Europo, or in Cladeus, or any other world with surface water and energy sources. So let's talk about Mars. Mars today is a cold, dry, radiation blasted desert.

47:21 The atmosphere is thin, less than 1% the density of Earth. The surface is bombarded by ultraviolet light and cause rays. Liquid water can't exist on the surface because the pressure is too low. But Mars wasn't always like this. Billions of years ago, Around 3.5 to 4 billion years ago, Mars had a thicker atmosphere, liquid water on the surface, and possibly a magnetic field that protected it from radiation. In other words, early Mars was potentially habitable. We know this because we found evidence of ancient riverbeds, lake beds, and what might have been an ocean. In the northern hemisphere. The Mars Rovers Spirit, Opportunity, Curiosity, and Perseverance have found rocks that formed in the presence of water.

48:03 So if Mars was habitable 4 billion years ago, could life have existed there? We don't know, but it's possible. And if life did exist on Mars, and if Mars was hit by a large asteroid, which which we know it was, then rocks containing Martian microorganisms could have ejected into space. Some of those rocks would have drifted through the solar system, and some of them would have eventually fallen on Earth. Now here's the really interesting part. Life on Earth appeared very quickly after the planet became habitable. The Earth formed about 4.5 billion years ago. For the first few 100 million years, the surface was molten. It was bombarded by asteroids. It was completely inhospitable to life. But as soon as the surface cooled and liquid water appeared around 4 billion years ago, life showed up. We have evidence of microbial life on Earth dating back 3.8 billion years.

48:54 Some researchers argue it could be even older, possibly 4.1 billion years. That's a very short window from quote UN quote uninhabitable hellscapes to life existing in a few 100 million years. And that raises a question, did life originate on Earth or did it arrive from somewhere else? If panspermia is real, then it's possible that life started on Mars or another planet and got transferred to Earth via meteorite. And if that's true, and we're not Earthlings, we're Martians. So what does that mean? First, it means that panspermia is not just a wild hypothesis. It's a testable, plausible mechanism for how life could spread through the solar system. Second, it means that we need to be extremely careful about contamination when we send missions to other planets. Right now, NASA and other space agencies have strict planetary protection protocols.

49:45 They sterilize spacecraft to avoid bringing Earth microbes to Mars, Europa, or other potentially habitable worlds. But if Earth life can survive the condition of ejection in space travel, then it's possible that microbes from Earth could contaminate other planets not through intentional missions, but through natural processes. Conversely, if we find life on Mars, we need to ask is it native Martian life, or did it come from Earth via meteorite exchange? Third, it means that the search for life in the solar system just got more water exists today, subsurface oceans on Europa and Cladeus, and possibly Titan. But if Transpernia is real, then life could exist in places we wouldn't expect because it didn't originate there, it was delivered. And 4th, it raises the possibility that life is more common in the universe than we thought. If life can travel between planets within a solar system, then it only needs to originate once. After that it can spread.

50:40 And if life can spread within a solar system, then maybe, just maybe, it can spread between star systems too. Not via asteroids because the distances are too vast, but via comets or interstellar objects like a MUA, MUA, or even deliberate transpermia. Hypothetical advanced civilization seating other worlds with life. That's speculative, but the John Hopkins experiment makes a little less speculative than it was before. Johns Hopkins researchers subjected the toughest bacterium on Earth to pressure simulating an asteroid impact ejection from Mars. 60% survived. The equipment broke before the bacteria did. This is the first experimental evidence that life could survive being blasted off one planet and potentially landing on another. It doesn't prove that panspermia happened, but it proves that it could happen.

51:32 And if it could happen, then the question of whether we're alone in the universe just got a little more complicated. Because if life can travel between worlds, then Earth might not be the origin of life. We might be descendants of microbes that come from Mars or Europa or somewhere else entirely. As researchers, Zhao said, maybe we're Martians. So, Jake, we are all very well aware of your personal beliefs. But for the sake of the episode, I have to ask, what do you think? Does this change how you think about the the origin of life on earth? Or is this still too much of A leaf? OK, so I wrote down some some notes while you were. Going through there, yeah. Have there been any known meteorites that have come from Mars containing bacteria that we have?

52:18 There has been a few reports. Of meteorites or or debris that is said to be from Mars. So can we prove it without with 100%? No, I don't think so because my my follow up question would. Be if you said yes, well you kind of said yes can't be proven 100% and that's fire. Let's just say for the sake of argument, let's say I'm wrong. It's not a young Earth. It is in fact an old Earth. And we have craters all over the planet, not just calderas that were once volcanoes, but also actual like impact sites, right? I mean, wouldn't it be more likely that the planet that has all of the greenery on it and still exists, despite what people might say, is the irreparable damage that humans have done to the the Earth, right?

53:09 Whether that's true or not, that's what's said, right? Greenhouse gases, all that sort of stuff. It's not like we're, we're doing our best to preserve this, right? We're seems like if if it was possible to destroy the planet, we do a pretty Dang good job at it, right? And now you put nuclear weapons into it and here we are. But wouldn't it be more likely that we would get hit with a meteorite or meteor and it would bounce bacteria from our planet to Mars to be discovered? Like I've seen the thing, the reports of like, oh, we think we found bacteria on Mars. It's like, OK, well, what's the likelihood that it came from Mars or it came from Earth and then got shot to Mars, right? It's a good question.

53:50 A billion years ago, right? Or 2 billion years ago type stuff. And then after all that time, we know that bacteria spreads like like nobody's business. Given the right conditions, what's to say that our big, big old rock doesn't hit Mars and bounce it back to Earth? And then we're like, oh, this is from Mars, you know, it's bacteria and stuff. And it's like, no, it was just from us from a real long time ago. I made it over there and now it's back, right type stuff. I mean, we could honestly just be like catching the flu at work, just coughing into each other's mouths just over the years, you know, basically just sharing bacteria. I mean, I wouldn't say that we're Martians just because we have bacteria that can survive extreme conditions.

54:37 It's like, OK, so it could now give an example of when it did. And it's like, well, before you jump on your high horse or jump to the conclusion that we're from another planet, you should probably, you know, get down a specific time frame where you can say this is when, you know, we got struck by a meteor. We went over there. We found none earth bacteria, whether in a fossilized state or not. And then to that I would, well, I'd have to ask. It's like, well, how much change does bacteria do over time? Could it have enough? Because like, we know how viruses work, right? They get immune to like our, our vaccines and stuff. The next year it's stronger and stronger, stronger but naturally without that sort of, you know, quite your dire adapt sort of response.

55:24 Does bacteria in nature change enough over time that say in 1000 years, you know, I don't know, name something common would look completely different and we wouldn't be able to recognize it and be like, I don't know where this came from, but didn't come from here. If you didn't have any of the previous, you know, let's call it adaptation in the meantime, right, You just had maybe you just had the original and then you have the new and improved version, but nothing in between. Could you say, Oh, it's something completely different? We've never seen this before without without having the knowledge of it, actually just, you know, changed over time like a lot of animals do, right? It's not it's not going from bacteria to a fish. It's not evolving like that.

56:08 It's just going from a simpler form of bacteria to a more complex or stronger form of bacteria. But it's still saying, still saying bacteria, right? Yeah. I would wonder how much change there is over time. And then, you know, could that be like, OK, we got, I don't know, I'm not like the bacteria guy either. What's a good common bacteria without a saying? An STD, all blown AIDS. All right, so. Full. Blown aids. Full blown aids. Was a. A billion years ago, full blown AIDS looked however, full blown AIDS looked a billion years ago. And then it got, we got hit by a meteorite and got sent to Mars.

56:48 And then over the years the full blown aids has adapted and adapted and adapted here on Earth. Let's say it was stuck in stasis on, on Mars because it just, you know, it's a harsh environment. There's no moisture, it can't grow, it can't develop, it can't, you know, replicate itself. So just stuck in stasis right there. This aids here on Earth is getting way, way, way more advanced and wherever it's at now and Oh no, a meteor hits Mars and it bounces the the space aids back to Earth. And then we're like, what is this bacteria? We've never seen this before because we're only used to this last, you know, 100 years of bacteria research. We don't know what AIDS looks like a billion years ago. You know what I'm saying?

57:34 I don't disagree with you. But I no, I don't think that we're Martians. I it's just, it's too far fetched. I don't see any, I don't personally see any evidence even in our own fossil records to show any, any evidence whatsoever of evolution. You know, you just see one animal that looks like an animal and another animal that looks like an animal. And to say that there's a link in between them when, you know, let's just say it's a rabbit that has 100 Cubs, I think they're called Cubs. 100 Cubs or babies a year, right? Crazy breeding cycles or a rat over the course of a billion years. How many you know?

58:16 Many, you know, babies is that, but we have nothing in between. We just have a rat and a lizard. Yeah, they're probably linked somehow. You know, it's just like it just I just don't see it. But and it's even further to go from a bacteria to an animal that's not bacteria because we still have bacteria. And unless they change in drastic ways, I mean, they're still bacteria, right? So that means that for some reason some bacteria decide to turn into animals and other bacteria didn't. But they didn't have a brain to decide why to do that, why to do that, that are not to do that, right? So it just doesn't make any sense to me. Also, thanks to Arthur Andersen, I guess we could thank him for all the weird cancers. We have blasted cans of food with radiation thanks to that guy.

59:01 Also, I have to get this point out just before, before I forget, I looked it up. All right, It's called Uswaya. Yeah, Uswaya Argentina is the lowest point on that map that you showed me. I could leave Thursday, May 7th and come back Monday, May 11th. One day and five hours of travel round trip for a $1798 to the lowest point in Argentina before I get to the island chains and renting a boat and in another 500 miles I could be right over the top of that leviathan. So that's how close I am. I'm literally a paycheck or a disability check away from discovering whether or not this is a leviathan. That's how close I am before I get to the surface of Mars. That's phenomenal man.

59:49 There there's. That's going. Through multiple airlines. That's great if I. If I wanted to just do a couple airlines, it would be like $32148, but that's what I'm looking at. That's before baggage fees and all that sort of stuff, you know? But yeah, so that's how. I am discovering that before I get to the moon or Mars or whatever, confirm Jake's gonna hunt the Leviathan. Yeah, right. Leviathan hunting. Give me a. Habit of big spear I. Think the only I, I don't have much to add to this man I, I, I think tanspermia is, is a fascinating topic. I, I think it's very interesting, but you bring up a good point, right? Could we be just volley volleying? Yeah, rocks back and forth, right. And where did, where did originally come from? It's, it's a good question.

1:00:39 It is a good question. I did look up. I just asked Google. So I don't know how true this is. OK, all I'm doing is just going off the Google here just for the sake why not DuckDuckGo? But you know he'll be. He'll be all right. So I just said do we have meteorites from Mars and said the AI overview on Google says yes, over 300 classified meteorites on Earth originated from Mars. There's your your answer. I take that with a grain of salt because it's just a Google. It's I'm not looking at any peer reviewed articles or anything like that, but I have no. Doubt we've been hit. By.

1:01:20 Other planetary rocks. But it's like, were there bacteria on those rocks? Good question. No idea. No idea. And then, you know, could we say that those. If it was a yes, could we say that those bacteria originated on that planet? Or since we have 300 known ones and who many, who knows how many thousands of land, forests and jungles and wherever, right into the ocean in all kinds of places? You know, what's to say that we aren't just, like you said, falling him back, or my example, coughing him to each other's throats? You know, just like I got the flu now. Thanks. You know it's. Like Mars just got the flu and it's AIDS, you know, it's full blown AIDS. So, but I just like, I don't want to, I mean, and, and like, even if I were to put on a evolutionary lens, which I mean, it's not hard to do, I understand, like I understand the reasoning and the need to like find out where we came from.

1:02:17 And it's not lost on me, right? And I can understand it can be difficult for me to just sum it up to be like, yeah, I mean, obviously it's a, you know, fantastic creation. It needed a creator, you know, like the bacteria had to come from somewhere. It didn't come from nothing, right? So it's like, where did the even if it was evolution was right, where did the bacteria come from? But you'd expect other planets, say like say for example, we didn't originate here, or life didn't originate here, or even certain bacteria didn't originate here. Whatever, right? But let's just say it did originate on Titan or Europa or whatever these other places are. Why don't we see advanced life on those places? If they had the same bacteria billions of years ago, we should see at least one strain out of all the Quintilian species of bacteria that are on Earth, one single strain that developed into something other than just single celled organisms. Maybe fish, right.

1:03:15 If we can't show that, you know, if, if other planets can have water, if they could have gas, if they don't even have to have what we would consider a breathable atmosphere because what's to say there can't be an Organism that breathes only nitrogen? I mean, it would be very different than us. But you know, it's like, shoot fish breathe oxygen in a water form. I mean, just be like, you know, something completely different, right? I believe we do have organisms. On Earth that breed nitrogen by like volcanic fence in the ocean I'm yeah, I mean like, but on another planet. Yeah, right, they say. Well, it's an UN UN. It's not life sustaining the makeup of the atmosphere.

1:03:58 And it's like, what does that matter? Yeah, you're right. I mean, we have types of sponges and stuff that hang out by volcanic vents, right. But it's in the ocean. But it's like that should be apparent and be able to be observed on other planets that are like that. Maybe one day we get to another planet and we find that. I don't know. But until that happens, the idea that, you know, we came from another planet as bacteria and then somehow evolved called into this and then all the other things and also those bacterias probably still exist somehow. It's just, yeah, it's kind of silly to me. Two things, One. Just while you were talking about your space AIDS and spitting it in each other's mouths.

1:04:43 I just I-22 things, but I'm pretty sure AIDS is viral. I don't think it's a bacteria. Pretty sure it's viral. Well then you failed to name a bacteria. I did. I did. And while you were? Talking I wrote some down that I just off the top my head. Salmonella, strep and staph I think are the those are bacteria. I'm pretty sure those are bacteria that that okay strep then full blown strep full. Blown staph infection? That's a gross one. Spitting each others mouths? Well, I mean. Yeah, yeah, I. Mean, I know people are gonna do the cool this goes an idiot. It's like, yeah, well, I don't study this crap, you know, I don't have a degree and whatever degree is.

1:05:27 Necessary for that I don't I. Don't obviously don't work in a lab. You know, neither of us have degrees or sometimes come home with. Grease under my fingernails. If I work in a lab, that probably wouldn't happen. Probably, you know, that's just from a printer or something. But yeah. And then the only other thing just to build on what you were. Talking about when it comes to what we could breathe differently, I mean as far as we know, and I know biologists will argue this would mean there could be non carbon based life forms and that would. Be completely. Foreign to what we could even imagine. You talk to a biologist. Or.

1:06:08 Any paid scienti, Scientiologists, Scientologists, Scientologists, scientists out there, Get them, get them, bring them on over here. See. We're done. We. Don't go to school. They would argue that life has is based. Off of carbon. What if what, what if it's not? What if it's what if It can be based off of a different element? And there's, there's a million reasons why carbon is a perfect vessel for life, perfect building block for life, but we're looking at it through the lens of carbon based life forms.

1:06:51 So I would, I would go out and say, I would, I would say that there has to be other elementally based life forms out there as well. I would also not be surprised if it's only carbon based too. But I just just throwing it out there that we really don't know what other life forms look like. We don't know what they're, what they consist of. We don't know anything really. Humans have this habit of looking at their environment, at the their surroundings through a human lens, which is human nature, right? We are humans. We have human eyes, we have human minds, we have humans hearts, whatever.

1:07:32 So yeah, it's you would think that we would see things through a human lens. But let's say there is life in other planets outside of our solar system, outside of our Galaxy, you know, somewhere out there. What's to say that the human perspective is anywhere near correct? It's like, it's like every Alien movie that if. Has ever happened with the exception of think maybe the BLOB. It's like it's all carbon based life forms or or some sort of a air breathing or you know, whatever sort of life form. It's like they've never had the one where the thing comes down and it's skin is made of diamonds, right?

1:08:12 Yeah, right. So yeah, I, I. Agree man, it's. I don't think transpermia is the answer, but I believe it's a very interesting topic. We've covered it. We, Wes and I actually covered it in one of our first 5 or 10 episodes on the show. Actually, we did A2 parter on it. Very, very. You guys want to listen to some embarrassing shit? We'll listen to those. I mean, we didn't. We had no idea what we were doing. It's certainly incredibly interesting. And it's interesting that I mean, I'm previous section just talking about exploring the bottom of the ocean and that was a reference that you gave, you know, bottom of the Marianas Trench, you know, 30,000 times atmospheric pressure, which is absolutely insane to think of, right? I mean I totally 10,000 around it 10. 1000 at the bottom of the Mariana Trench, applied three times the pressure of Well, never mind.

1:09:17 Still I don't. I can't. Conceive what that would look like. You know how fast would that destroy the human body? Probably you just thought subjected to if a human being got subjected to that pressure instantly, right? Went from like this to that. How small would the pieces be and would you be even able to see them under anything other than a microscope? And it's crazy because we have some. Other extremophiles that live there, we know there's things that live down there, but it, it's kind of the reverse, right? If you go deep sea fishing and you bring a fish up too fast, it's swim bladder goes out of its mouth, you know, and, and, and it, it explodes where we would implode it right. There's, it's wild, man.

1:10:02 It's, it's wild. The diversity of life that's out there on this planet alone. And you would think you would only get more different the further you go. Who's to say that carbon based life form is the only life form there is? I, I think it's interesting. I thought about what I talked to. CJ about, I don't think it was this last episode, but maybe the one prior to it. And he said, you know, could it be that we're all in just like terrariums essentially, right, of just different types of life forms and terrariums. And I still stand by my answer. I said, yeah, I mean, sure, why not, you know, and because I honestly, I'm, I'm never going to know, I don't think, but, you know, until I'm no longer on this plane of existence. But I mean, yeah, you know, why not? And maybe that goes into that, you know, what does that look like from another dimension?

1:10:53 You know, what does life look like, if you could even call it life as we would define it, right? Breathing, hearts, brains, things like that. You know, what does that look like on another dimensional plane? What does that look like in another, You know, completely what we'd see is even even maybe to our own bacteria or pansymia, bacteria that can, you know, survive. It seems everything what if we found a place that was so hostile even they couldn't survive, But we found what we couldn't wouldn't have been able to wrap our heads around as life on that, but still found something moving. I don't know. Heck, what does that look like? So yeah, I mean, the interest is certainly there, but I don't know if that'll ever be a a thing where it can be like, Yep. And then we went to Zeta Reticuli and then found, you know, the the colony of Ruby people. You know, even that'd be that'd be. Technically carbon based.

1:11:50 Though Oh well then never mind, you know? They just, they're made of gas. That's all they are. They're just clouds of atoms like we we have. We have. Goggles filters right that we just. We cannot even perceive something that's not carbon based. It would be damn near impossible to accurately correct accurately create something that's not carbon based. Maybe that's sentient, I mean. Thinking. Critically, maybe? That's why people have a hard time with the idea of God. You know a a non physical spiritual can't see him unless he wants you to see him sort of being and that would be a good example of a non.

1:12:37 Carbon based that can create life through. Thought, I mean, I'll be real sounds wild. I believe it, but it's like I, I, I don't know if I have the understanding of my brain to to explain it, you know, besides that, but maybe that's why people have such a hard time with that. It's like, well, you know, I, I would, I like to, you know, I mean, obviously I'm, I'm pretty rational, you know, it's like, I'm not going to see it's snowing outside and go outside in a T-shirt, you know, and it's playing my whole day around it when a pair of shorts and flip flops, right? Because I'm not, you know, because I can observe what's going on around me. But it's like to explain something so complex without any way to draw a picture of the thing or visualize the thing and then say that, well, in order to view it fully, you're going to have to be dead. It's like, OK, well, it's good talking to you, you know, have a great day.

1:13:34 I'm going to go ahead and close my door now. So I know maybe that's what people get get hung up about. So I. Again, going to Google just to see what what would come up here. I think this is pretty interesting. Here I put in what would a non carbon based life form look like? A non carbon based life form such as a silicone based Organism would look like Fundamentally different from anything on earth. Appearing more like moving crystals like you had said. Amorphous blobs or glassy structures. Potential appearances? Living crystals or minerals, Amorphous blobs, Insectoid or glassy beings. I don't know about this insectoid because even our insects are carbon based or sessile rocks.

1:14:20 Slow moving or immobile potential characteristics, breathing, solid waste, high temperature habits or habitats. Alternative solvents rather than water. They may use liquid methane or ethane or ammonia as a solvent for their metabolism. Where we use water, right, Water is the universal solvent. Sure. Yeah, very. Interesting stuff. I. I think that's interesting. I found my. Rabbit hole I'll go down tonight. That's cool. Yeah. No, I mean, it's definitely cool stuff. I mean. If it if nothing else, I can chalk it up to scientists just discovered like the most extreme conditions they can put bacteria in and then find out that not only do they survive, but they also repair their their damaged parts is pretty remarkable To the end that I would venture to say that if I ever got the opportunity, if I remembered, if I got the opportunity to ask the good Lord why he made them. What was their purpose besides just to be like just to just to mess with got people when they figured it out, they were I made bacteria so much more stronger than you. Now what?

1:15:35 You know, what are you going to do about it, Foo Yeah. What are you going to do about it? All right, man, you. Ready to log off for the night? Yeah, dude, I'm. Going to go ahead and get this. Outro. Done. Do you have anything else to put out though? I don't think so. It's going to everyone. Well, it's going to be too late once this episode airs, but we're going to get apparently hammered with snow here in where we were at in Menominee, Wisconsin. It's looking at 24 inches on Sunday. So we'll see. We'll see what happens. I mean, hopefully it'll just be a little flurry and then I'll go away and the sun comes out and it melts it all. You know, I'm kind of ready for a, for a seasonal shift, but I don't know. We'll see. It's like Mother Nature has one more or less hurrah.

1:16:16 For us, man, yeah, no doubt. All right. That's it. For tonight's episode, we covered a Bigfoot flap unfolding right now in Northeast Ohio. 6 sightings in four days moving eastward through Portage and Trumbull counties. We talked about the discovery of a vast flat structure of dark matter surrounding our Galaxy that solves a 50 year old mystery about why nearby galaxies move away from the Milky Way. We went deep on bacteria that survived conditions extreme enough to stimulate asteroid impact, ejection from Mars, possible evidence of panspermia, the theory that life on Earth might have Martian origins. If you enjoyed this episode, make sure you subscribe to Infinite Rabbit Hole. Wherever you get your podcasts, leave us a reading and review.

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