IRH 268: Ohio Bigfoot Flap, Dark Matter Sheet & Are We Martians?

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March 6th through March 10th,
2026, Northeast Ohio experienced

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what cryptozoologists call a
flap, a term originally coined

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by the late John Keel regarding
the groupings of UFO sightings.

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Six separate Bigfoot sightings
in four days across Portage and

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Trumbull counties.
The reports show a pattern in

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eastward progression.
Montowa to Garrettsville to

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Windham to Newton Township,
heights ranging from 6 to 10

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feet, brown and black fur.
And on March 10th at 4:00 AMA

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German Shepherd sees something
in the wood lion and comes back

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inside shaking with fear.
The Bigfoot Society says this

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kind of cluster activity hasn't
happened since the 1970s.

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That very same week, astronomers
published findings in Nature

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Astronomy about a vast flat
structure of dark matter

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surrounding our Galaxy, a cosmic
sheet spanning 10s of millions

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of light years that explain why
nearby galaxies move away from

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the Milky Way instead of being
pulled toward it.

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And on March 3rd, John Hopkins
researchers blasted bacteria

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with pressure simulating an
asteroid impact ejection from

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Mars. 60% survived.
The equipment broke before the

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bacteria did.
Maybe we're Martians, said

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researcher Zhao.
A Bigfoot flap in Ohio, a cosmic

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sheet of dark matter and
bacteria tough enough to survive

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interplanetary travel.
All of it happened this week.

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And welcome back to Infinite
Rabbit Hole.

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What's up everyone, Jeremy Socia
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All right, let's get into it.
We've got two stories in our

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briefing section tonight and
then we're going deep on

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something that might actually
provide evidence that life on

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Earth could have originated on
Mars.

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But first, our news briefing.
In our first story, Northeast

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Ohio just experienced what
crypto zoologist call a flap 6

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separate Bigfoot sightings in
four days, moving in a clear

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eastward pattern across Portage
and Trumbull counties.

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For our second story,
astronomers discovered a vast

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flat structure of dark matter
surrounding our Galaxy that

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solves a 50 year old mystery
about why nearby galaxies move

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away from the Milky Way instead
of being pulled toward it.

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Before we jump into all of that
though, we got to check in with

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the Co host.
Yeah, good.

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But what's up, buddy?
What's up, dude?

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No, I'm just getting this
podcast episode knocked out.

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I do have a shout out though.
This week I was over at the

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grocery store here in town and I
ran into a fan name's Ethan.

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Ethan, thank you so much for the
conversation.

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Kind of chatting with him for a
little bit on what he thinks

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about the show and the format
and how we kind of came to

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decision amongst the Co hosts of
of how what the format should

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be.
And and it was a really

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interesting and productive
conversation.

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He definitely agreed that the
new format is a lot better and

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he didn't enjoy all of our
bouncing around with different

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styles and everything than it.
He agrees that this is cool,

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that it's current news, but that
it also parallels our very

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earliest form of infinite rabbit
hole where a section was read

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from a script and then there was
chitchat about it and

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everything.
And so he's really digging it.

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And he thinks that we should
expect to go a long way.

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And I was able to, he said he
was going to recommend us to his

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his fans.
And I gave him a bunch of

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business cards and stuff and he
said he was going to pass them

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out.
So, yeah, Ethan, thank you so

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much for for chatting with me
and everything.

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And I don't know how Jeremy
feels about this, but I don't

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personally feel like a celebrity
or anybody of major importance.

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So if you see me in my truck
with the infant rabbit hole

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thing on the side of it and you
want to stop and say hi, feel

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free to approach.
Like, don't you know, stare at

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me or anything like that?
I'm I'm just a guy that works a

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day-to-day job and we do a show.
So yeah, but it was if you want

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to come up and say hi and, you
know, discuss the show and stuff

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like that, you know, feel free
to.

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But yeah, really cool talk with
Ethan and thanks for listening.

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Great.
Thanks, Ethan.

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Appreciate you, man.
I don't have any fancy stickers

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or anything on my my vehicle,
but if you know who I am, you

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see me by all means.
I've been I've been recognized a

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few times in town, which is
pretty cool.

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I love it.
Talk to us that dig it.

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I'll tell you what though, man,
it was super weird because I

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mean, that just, it doesn't
happen, right?

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So it's like, it's just kind of
getting used to people being

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like, like, oh, I listen to that
show.

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I'm like, oh, neat.
You know, I don't really know

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what to say.
It's just like, oh, that's cool.

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Like even I was fishing one
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Guy approached me while I was
fishing.

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He's like, it's like, is that
your truck parked over there?

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And I was like, yeah, he's like,
I listen to that show.

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And I was like, oh, hi, I'm
Jake.

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He's like, oh, nice to meet you.
And we kind of chatted for a

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little bit, but yeah, it's kind
of just kind of shocks me every

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single time because I'm not used
to, you know, any sort of

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recognition or, you know, being
noticed for anything 'cause I'm

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just normal guy.
So it's like, oh, that's weird,

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you know, but that's hard to get
used to it.

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The first time it happened to us
to it happened together.

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And it was in the town that
we're in now.

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I had just moved here.
You you came up here to visit

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me.
And we were in the local card

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shop with the kids.
Oh, yeah.

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And the the lady behind the
counter was like, I know that

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logo on that shirt.
Yeah.

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I was like, yeah.
Isn't it?

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Wow, that's cool.
Yeah.

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Before I even announced that I
moved here or anything.

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It was pretty cool.
Yeah.

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So you'll notice we don't have
CJ today.

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That's planned for this week.
I'm the douchebag.

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I'm going on vacation with
family starting tomorrow, and

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tomorrow is typically the day
that we would record.

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So we had to push this out a
little earlier.

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In fact, it it, it might even be
a a slightly shorter episode.

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Typically we do three to four,
sometimes 5 briefings at at the

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front end of the the episode.
But I had to really punch this

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out during my during my typical
work days.

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I've been at work 1314 hours the
last two days and stayed up late

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getting this together and up
nice and early getting it

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together and just just finish it
off as I was walking on the door

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here before I jumped on with
Jake.

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So we only have two topics for
the briefing tonight.

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I do have a third topic that I
have a script written up for,

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but I I didn't really edit it so
I don't I'm not going to read it

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off.
I also think that it may be too

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sciency for the infinite rabbit
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It's it doesn't really have
anything weird about it.

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It's just cool science.
I mean honestly the last episode

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was 3 hours long so I think
these guys could could use a

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break.
Well, pretty good.

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Pretty good chance that this
one's going to be one of the

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shorter episodes of the new
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Even though we have been aiming
for an hour long episode, we've

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been failing terribly.
Miserably.

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All right, man, you got anything
else before we jump into this?

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Nah man, ready to go when you
are.

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Sweet.
Let's do it.

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Between March 6th and March
10th, 2026, Northeast Ohio

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experienced what
cryptozoologists call Flat 6

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separate Bigfoot sightings in
four days across Portage and

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Trumbull counties.
This isn't just random scattered

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reports.
This is a cluster, A pattern.

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The sighting started in Matua
Center and moved steadily

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eastward through Garrettsville,
Windham and into Newton

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Township.
Something is moving through a

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corridor.
Here's the timeline.

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March 6th, 12:23 PM Montua
Center.

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A local researcher spots a nine
foot tall brown male standing

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about 120 yards away near State
Route 44.

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The creature displays what they
described as high situational

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awareness.
It sees it's being watched and

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retreats at high speed.
March 7th, 10:52 PM.

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Still in the Montua area, a
witness encounters an 8 foot

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figure with long arms and dark
brown hair.

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Before seeing it, they heard
heavy footsteps.

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Quote 2 low, too spaced out and
way too heavy for a deer or

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another hiker.
Deep vibrating grunts and when

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they investigated they found
oversized muddy footprints.

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Then March 9th gets busy. 3
sightings in one day. 10:20 AM

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Garrettsville.
A hiker encounters an 8 foot

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Sasquatch covered in black fur.
Immediately evacuates the area.

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11:47 AM.
Headwaters trail a 10 foot black

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figure.
The witness describes A stilt

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like gate and a strong musky
odor. 6:00 PM in Windham.

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Now this was a little different,
smaller, maybe 6 feet tall,

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brown fur, but running with what
witnesses call an impossibly

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long stride.
Then there's the most recent

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report.
March 10th, 4:00 AM, Newton

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Township in Trumbull County.
A resident let's their German

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Shepherd out on a chain.
The dog immediately lunges

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toward the wood line and what
they described as a highly

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aggressive move.
The witness looks out and sees a

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massive black shadow, 8 to 10
feet tall crashing through the

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brush.
They were very clear quote, way

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bigger than a bear.
Then they got the dog back

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inside.
It was shaking a German shepherd

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visibly trembling.
Now the variation in height 6

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feet to 10 feet in color, brown
to black, has led the Bigfoot

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society suggest this might not
be one individual.

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They're working theory is a
family group, maybe multiple

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subjects moving through
Headwaters Trail, Greenbelt

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corridor.
The Bigfoot Society has been

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tracking this closely and
according to Jeremiah Byron, the

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host who hosts the Bigfoot
Society podcast and has

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interviewed over 1000 people
about Bigfoot encounters, this

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kind of cluster activity in a
small area over a short time

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frame hasn't happened since
1970s.

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He says the witnesses are shook
up, emotional, and want to stay

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anonymous.
Now, full transparency here.

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The Portage County Sheriff's
Office says they checked the

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reports from March 6th and 7th
and found nothing about

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Sasquatch.
No official police reports

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filed.
But that's not unusual.

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A lot of people don't want to go
on record with law enforcement

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about seeing encrypted.
Ohio ranks 4th in the country

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for Bigfoot sightings, by the
way, behind Washington,

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California and Florida.
And the fact that this activity

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is showing a clear geographic
progression moving steadily

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eastward, is what makes it so
compelling to researchers.

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The question now is whether this
continues, and if it does, does

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it keep moving E does it cross
state lines, or does it just

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stop now?
Since I wrote up the initial bit

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of this script for this episode,
there has been a major

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development this morning.
When I checked on this story, as

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I do very often with a lot of
cryptids, this story has

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actually gone national.
This has made it to the

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mainstream on March 11th,
yesterday as the time of this

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recording.
Portage County Sheriff Bruce

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Zukowski publicly acknowledges
the reports.

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He told Cleveland 19 News that
10 individual people contacted

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authorities saying they saw a
quote UN quote big creature with

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a musty odor that suddenly ran
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But here's the thing.
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they received 0 official calls.
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Office has no formal reports
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Sasquatch, which means people
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they're seeing something, but
they're not willing to go on

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record with law enforcement.
Same story we hear quite a bit.

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The story exploded across social
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Fox News National picked it up.
Yahoo ran it.

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UKYC in Cleveland called it the
biggest crypted event since the

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1970s.
Twitter had a field day.

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Sports commentator Ken Carman
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I have been to these places
recently and yes, I live in

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Portage County, but I am not
Bigfoot.

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Ha ha, so, so funny.
And as of this morning, March

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12th, again, the day we're
recording this, there have been

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no new sightings reported since
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incident.
The activity seemed to have

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stopped.
So either the family group moved

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out of the area or whatever was
moving through the corridor is

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gone.
Jake, simple question for you,

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man.
Want to go to Ohio?

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Yeah, let's do it.
Isn't that awesome?

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Yeah.
Well, we might have to go to the

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state east of Ohio, considering
they're moving east.

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But yeah, I know.
I mean, that sounds, that sounds

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pretty cool.
I mean it definitely.

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I don't know it it makes it feel
more like a real animal than

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just a figment of people's
imaginations when they're it

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seems to be a group of them and
they're traveling and there's

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variations like if it was the
exact same, I don't know,

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description every single time,
it would have a different feel

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than descriptions of what appear
to be various individuals in a

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group.
And who's to say?

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Like, I mean, you know, science
is yet to officially say that,

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you know, Sasquatch is an actual
animal.

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But we know that great apes can,
you know, or many animals

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rather, their hair colors change
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You know, I mean, even our
commandeer, right?

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They have spots and then they
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you know, whatever color is kind
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whatever it is.
I mean, who's to say that a

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Sasquatch wouldn't do the same
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You know, they're one color as
their juveniles and they grow up

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and everything.
And, you know, it's not weird

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that they would be like, well,
there's one that I saw that was

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like 6 foot tall, which
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a regular person.
It's like, OK, well, I mean, if

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Sasquatch are real, they're not
born 8 feet tall, right?

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They're not born 10 feet tall.
They're born at some smaller

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stature as infants, more than
likely, unless they hatch out

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eggs, in which case they'd still
be smaller, right?

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And then they have to grow up to
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So it's, you know, and it makes
me wonder.

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It's like, so let's say just for
the sake of argument that

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Sasquatch is, is real, right?
I mean, I haven't had my

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experience, and you've had your
experience, but let's just say

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it's real.
I wonder how many times we've

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seen a footprint on a beach or,
you know, at a lake or something

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like that, or a group of
footprints.

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And to us, they just look like
regular, you know, size 10, size

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1112 human feet.
But they're actually juvenile

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Sasquatch because they haven't
grown to their full stature

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where their footprint is now 16
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And you look at that and you're
like, either there's a six foot

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8, you know, human being walking
around here with monster sized

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feet, or there's a normal sized
human being with monster sized

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feet.
Cause I've met a couple of

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those.
Or it's a Sasquatch, right?

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And then you, you cast it and
find out, you know, if it gets

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studied that there's a mid
tarsal break, you know, like the

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great apes have and everything.
And that's how you can kind of

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identify between a ape footprint
and a human footprint is because

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of that mid tarsal break and
then other varying degrees of,

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you know, varying factors.
But you know, it makes you kind

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of wonder.
It's like, how many times have

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you seen bare footprints outside
and just assumed, you know, as

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somebody was enjoying nature
when reality was actually a

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juvenile Sasquatch, right?
So it's like, because, I mean,

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they have to grow up, right?
They're like everything else,

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right?
They're they're born small and

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then they grow up and they die.
But yeah, I like that there's a

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variation in the sidings.
Also it it appears that with the

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sidings, like you said, they're
moving, right.

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So it definitely seems like a
troop of them are going from one

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area to another.
And I would be so interested if

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we could ever get to a point
where legitimate scientists

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would, you know, do some
hardcore in depth research to

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find out, you know, the
legitimacy of these claims to

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say, OK, well, these are real
animals.

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And then we could study them and
find out, you know, do they

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migrate?
Do they migrate with food

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sources?
Do they migrate with, with, you

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know, weather changes?
Are they, you know, are they, do

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they roam around in troops or
whatever, you know, whatever

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you'd call them as a group or a
pack, you know, like, you know,

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all these variable, right, like
any other group of animals that

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we study, Like how similar are
they to other great apes, you

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know, type things and or not,
right.

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And so, yeah, I mean, I, I love
that this was just like, like

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you said, a flap of sightings,
but that all those different key

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things that went into it.
So it definitely doesn't appear

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to be only one individual.
It definitely appears to be a

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group of individuals.
And yeah, unfortunately, we have

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seen that a lot where, you know,
I mean, I didn't call the police

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when I saw mine running through
Oklahoma, you know, or whatever

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it was.
Yeah, I know you didn't call the

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police when you saw yours in the
New England area.

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You know, even if I thought
about it, I probably wouldn't

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have, right, Because, I mean,
what am I going to do, waste the

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police time?
But I go saw something and it's

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like, OK, well, no one was
committing a crime, so, you

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know, what's the point in that
regard?

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But also, I don't know, it would
probably, I mean, I don't care

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what people think about me and I
have, I do this show with you.

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But I'm sure that there's a lot
of people out there that would

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certainly hope that their
reputation wasn't marred with

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you saw Bigfoot, you know, it's
like, I don't know, are you a

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realtor and you, you need people
to talk good things about you.

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You don't want someone to be
like, yeah, I mean, he's a great

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realtor, but he's a little bit
crazy because he thinks he's all

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Bigfoot one time and maybe you
lose business, you know, I don't

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know.
You know, what does that look

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like to the individual?
So I can definitely see, you

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know, saying to maybe a news
source anonymously, hey, I saw

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this thing too, but not wanting
to go on official police report

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because depending on the what's
going on, that might get

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broadcasted without you being
anonymous, right?

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An Oracle news station might
pick that up and just be like,

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well, wasn't anonymous on the
police report.

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It's not going to be anonymous
now, you know, and then what

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does that look like?
So.

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Yeah, well, it doesn't want.
To be as odd at all.

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I wanted to bring up, I mean,
you bring up some, some good

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points, but I wanted to bring up
just a simple I, I, I want to

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show everybody how big this has
actually gotten because this is,

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this is actually probably the
one of the bigger stories that

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involving Bigfoot that I've ever
come across.

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Just want to show you here.
All I did was go to Google and

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look up Ohio Bigfoot.
You can see it right here in the

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search bar.
And go over the news tabs and

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look at all this one day 14
hours ago, one day nine hours

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ago.
But here's that WKYC article

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that I that I specifically
talked about Fox 8.

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I mean, there's a lot, I mean,
shoot, it's being covered by

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Newsweek.
There's the Cleveland 19 article

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with the Bigfoot giving the back
rub to the guy.

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They've been, they've been found
in a, in a what?

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What do they call those happy
parlors?

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Yeah.
Weird.

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And then the the WKYC article
want to make sure we give them

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credit for this.
WKYC Studios wkyc.com even gives

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you a map and shows you the, the
movement.

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It's pretty neat, man.
I mean, there's this is

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something that we're going to
have to keep our eyes on.

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We may be reporting on this
again next week.

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If if this continues, if we keep
getting reports of this.

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But yeah, this was this was cool
to to read about.

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And of course, you know, just
being somebody who's interested

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in this kind of stuff and
someone who checks current news

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for all the stuff I'm interested
in.

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This stuck out like a sort
thumb.

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I was like, I got to get this in
for sure.

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Check it this morning.
I already had this script

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written up this morning because
I stayed up late to to get it

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done for this particular
briefing.

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And I was like, wow, shit.
I got to put an update in there

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because because it seems like a
lot of a lot of different

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sources is picking up Very cool.
No, but I like how you brought

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up a lot of different things.
You know, you're right.

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They, they come out small,
whether it's, you know, the same

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way as most mammals or whether
they lay eggs.

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And then by the the right age of
two years old, they're 6 feet

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tall and ready to kick ass.
But yeah, I mean, I don't know

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it the, the Bigfoot topic, it's
something that I don't talk

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about too much on this podcast.
I mean, we've, we've touched on

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it here and there and.
Specifically a shirt for it So.

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You.
You are.

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You are.
That's an oldie.

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Yeah, I think his.
Favorite podcast?

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He's wearing our shirt, so
that's how you know.

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Yeah, that's how you know, I'm
heavily involved in research for

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Bigfoot.
Most of my, I wouldn't say most

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of my books, but a good chunk of
my books back here involve

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Bigfoot.
I just don't report on it very

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often unless it's a urban
legend.

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I, I feel like the topic of
Bigfoot is too easy to talk

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about sometimes because, well,
one, because I, I had my

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sighting as a kid, but there's
enough evidence out there in my

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mind on top of me having my
incident where it's not really a

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mystery to me anymore.
You know, there's, there's a lot

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of evidence.
I mean, there's a lot of reports

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of people finding human shaped
feet prints or footprints out in

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the middle of bum fuck nowhere
Alaska, you know, across a Creek

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bed.
And, you know, I feel like the

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evidence is, is too good for it.
And with my own personal

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account, it's not something I, I
feel like I need to really dive

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into and dissect because I'm a
believer, man.

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It doesn't, it's not necessary
to me very much, but I still

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like to read up on the reports.
And I know a lot of people

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listen to the show.
They, they like hearing about

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Bigfoot.
So I, I feel like this new

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format is a really good way to
squeeze some Bigfoot in there

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and make everybody happy and
kind of give you an idea of what

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I'm looking at and where I'm
getting my sources from.

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Always, always cool to talk
about.

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Anyways, you ready to roll in?
Ready on briefing #2 we're

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already a third of the way done.
Oh man, isn't that crazy?

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But half an hour in SO.
But half an hour in.

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Tighten it up.
Well, the next two is about

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space, and we know you don't
like to talk about space.

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True.
Very fake.

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All right, on March 6th, 2026,
which is at the University of

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00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:27,200
Gronigan in the Netherlands,
published findings in Nature

448
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,880
Astronomy that fundamentally
change how we understand

449
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,640
structure of dark matter around
our Galaxy.

450
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,600
They discovered a vast flat
structure of dark matter

451
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,240
surrounding the Local Group,
which is the clusters of

452
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,160
galaxies that include the Milky
Way and Dromeda and dozens of

453
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,800
smaller dwarf galaxies.
This cosmic sheet spans 10s of

454
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,400
millions of light years and it
has cosmic voids above and below

455
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,320
it.
Let me explain why this matters.

456
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,200
For over 50 years, astronomers
have been puzzled by something

457
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,960
that doesn't make sense.
When you look at the galaxies

458
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,280
near the Milky Way, most of them
are moving away from us instead

459
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:03,920
of being pulled toward us by
gravity.

460
00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:06,920
That's kind of backwards.
The Milky Way is massive.

461
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,120
It should be pulling nearby
galaxies in, not pushing them

462
00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:11,720
away.
Astronomers have proposed

463
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,440
various explanations over the
decades.

464
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,760
Maybe there's some kind of
repulsive force we don't

465
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,400
understand.
Maybe the distribution of dark

466
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:19,840
matter is different than we
thought.

467
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,840
Maybe our models of gravity need
adjustments.

468
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,440
But this discovery solves it.
The research team, led by PhD

469
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:31,040
graduate IWAD Wimp and Professor
Amina Helmi at the University of

470
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,760
Groningen, along with
collaborators from Germany,

471
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,520
France and Sweden, use advanced
simulations to map the dark

472
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,120
matter distribution around the
Local group.

473
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,200
And what they found is that
we're not sitting in a spherical

474
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,200
Halo of dark matter like
astronomers assumed.

475
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:47,960
We're sitting inside a flat
sheet.

476
00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:49,840
Think of it like a cosmic
pancake.

477
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,800
The Milky Way, Andromeda, and
the other galaxies in our Local

478
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,480
neighborhood are embedded in
this flat structure, and above

479
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:01,880
and below the sheet are massive
voids regions of space with

480
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,800
almost no matter at all.
Now here's why That explains the

481
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,560
50 year mystery.
Galaxies within the sheet are

482
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,960
being pulled along the plane of
the sheet.

483
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,240
Galaxies outside the sheet,
above or below, are being pushed

484
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,360
away by the gravitational
influence of all that

485
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:21,680
concentrated mass in the flat
structure.

486
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,360
So it's not that the Milky Way
isn't exerting gravity, it's

487
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:28,600
that the overall architecture of
the dark matter creates a

488
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,920
configuration where galaxies
outside the plane move away

489
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,480
instead of being pulled in.
The team tested this by creating

490
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,360
what they called a virtual twin.
They built a computer model of

491
00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:41,560
the Local Group based purely on
the motions and positions of

492
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,600
galaxies without telling the
simulation that the dark matter

493
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,600
structure should look like.
And the simulation naturally

494
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,640
produced a flat sheet of dark
matter with cosmic voids above

495
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,640
and below.
Then they checked the simulation

496
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,280
against real observations.
The virtual twin accurately

497
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,320
produced the positions and
velocities of 31 nearby galaxies

498
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,040
without being told what those
positions and velocity should

499
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,640
be.
Professor Amina Helmi said this

500
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,720
quote.
I'm excited to see that based

501
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,960
purely on the motions of
galaxies, we can determine a

502
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,280
mass distribution.
In other words, they reverse

503
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,840
engineered the invisible
structure of dark matter just by

504
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,560
watching how galaxies move.
Now here's the big picture.

505
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,480
Dark matter makes up about 85%
of all matter in the universe.

506
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,640
We can't see it, can't touch it.
We can only detect it through

507
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,760
its gravitational effects.
And for decades, we've been

508
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,600
trying to figure out how dark
matter is distributed in large

509
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,000
scales.
Is it smooth and uniform?

510
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,520
Is it clumpy?
Does it form filament sheets or

511
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,920
bubbles?
This discovery suggests that

512
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,160
dark matter organizes itself
into large scale structures,

513
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,720
sheets, and voids that shape how
galaxies cluster and move.

514
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,520
And that has implications for
everything from Galaxy formation

515
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,920
to the evolution of the universe
itself.

516
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,880
It also raises A philosophical
question.

517
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,760
We live inside this cosmic
sheet.

518
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,600
We're embedded in the structure,
10s of millions of light years

519
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,600
across, and we had no idea it
was there until now.

520
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,280
What else are we sitting inside
that we haven't detected yet?

521
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,920
So, Jake, so we're basically
sitting inside this massive

522
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,560
cosmic sheet, 10s of millions of
light years across, and we had

523
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,240
no idea until now.
Does that change how you think

524
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,760
about your place in the
universe?

525
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,120
Do I still have to pay taxes?
You do.

526
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,320
Then no, not much.
I had a feeling that there

527
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,360
wasn't going to be much to this
one.

528
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,480
I feel like if CJ and or Jeff
were here we'd be just would

529
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,040
break out into an entire
conversation about how space is

530
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,880
is fake and and dumb.
Well.

531
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,800
I mean, it's interesting, but
it's like space just isn't my.

532
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,720
I know, I know.
I know it's, it's not my super

533
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,440
high interest point.
It's I'm more focused on, you

534
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,240
know, what's in the mountains
and what's in the jungles and

535
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,280
what's in the ocean and things
like that.

536
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,400
Like space is cool, but, and I
think that we've studied more of

537
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,400
space than we have the bottom of
the ocean.

538
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,720
I'm pretty sure that that's a
accurate quote.

539
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,120
The Moon.
The surface.

540
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,200
The surface of the moon.
You studied more of the surface

541
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,400
of the moon than the bottom of
the ocean.

542
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,360
There you go.
That's in space, yeah, some some

543
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,520
form of space.
If you ask Jeff, it's not even

544
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,040
outside the atmosphere.
So I don't know it's.

545
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,480
Technically it's not.
It's not.

546
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,960
It's technically not, no.
OK, well, but yeah, so that's,

547
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,360
so that's really where my my
interests lie is within the

548
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,120
realm of things we can reach
without.

549
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,440
And I'm trying to say this
carefully because obviously

550
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,320
you're going to have to spend a
lot of money and a lot of

551
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,760
funding, a lot of science to get
to the bottom of the ocean in

552
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,400
most places because it gets
pretty deep down there and it's

553
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,760
just unsurvivable pressures.
But it's probably a lot more

554
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:01,600
feasible to get to those places
then, say, put a colony on Mars,

555
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,880
as much as Elon Musk wants to do
that, right?

556
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:10,080
So yeah, it'd be cool, but a
Kraken's not going to come from

557
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,480
Mars and kill everybody in North
America.

558
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,360
So, you know, it might come from
the ocean, depending on the

559
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,480
satellite images that have been
seen recently, right?

560
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,200
So we'll see.
You're talking about the Oh,

561
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,880
man, it's, it's been a while.
I'm surprised you even knew

562
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,000
about that.
The Leviathan.

563
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,400
Yeah, I should bring that up.
We never talked about that on

564
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:30,840
this show.
Did.

565
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:31,760
We.
No, we didn't.

566
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,960
It was, you mentioned it and I
looked into it and I was like,

567
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:40,200
oh, that's, that's neat.
So there was a just a huge thing

568
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:45,000
that hit right before we changed
to this this format about Google

569
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,280
images capturing pictures of the
leviathan.

570
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,920
Now I don't know much about the
leviathan.

571
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,560
I don't know, Jake, if you can
maybe fill in what that what it

572
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,600
is technically, I all I know is
that it's a giant sea creature.

573
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,760
It's.
It's made mention in the book of

574
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:07,800
Job in the Bible and it's just
basically in regards to God

575
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,920
explained to Job how powerful he
is that he created the behemoth

576
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,880
and he created the Leviathan.
It doesn't, there's not some

577
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,120
like big long explanation of it.
It's not, you know, it's not

578
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,440
made mention as if like people
are hunting it type stuff or

579
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,320
anything like that.
So, yeah, I mean, I couldn't

580
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,640
tell you something that lives in
the ocean, you know, whatever

581
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,240
there, whether it was a real
thing or it was a metaphor or

582
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,520
maybe it was in reference to
things that we know exists

583
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,240
today, like the whale shark or
the blue whale or whatever,

584
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,480
right.
It sounds like the behemoths

585
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:46,440
definitely could have been a
large dinosaur with drinking up

586
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,680
an entire river, having legs
like cedar trees.

587
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,600
I believe I'm quoting that
right, Leviathan.

588
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,760
I mean, could be any large sea
creature and shoot, it could

589
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:02,960
have been, you know, God talking
about him making the giant

590
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,600
squid.
You know, I, I don't know, but

591
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,280
the the images were interesting.
And that really is what piques

592
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,960
my interest into like those
sorts of things because it's

593
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,000
like, you know, a lot of what we
deal with with space is just

594
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:22,680
like from a layman's point, like
if there's a blood moon or, you

595
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,080
know, and don't get me wrong,
the Bible's chock full of like,

596
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,120
you know, pay attention to the
sky type stuff because there's

597
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,480
going to be a lot of lunar
activity towards the end times

598
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,840
and things like that.
But if there's a blood moon or

599
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,440
there's a comet that goes by or
an asteroid or whatever, you

600
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,760
know, or you know, it's going to
look like, oh, it's going to

601
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,600
look like there's, you know, 2
moons or Mars is going to be

602
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,360
super close, you know, type
stuff.

603
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,600
You're like, all that is really
interesting, but I mean, it's

604
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:56,560
just, it's, it's OK compared to,
you know, finding new animal

605
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,440
discoveries, you know, new
species, things like that.

606
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,280
It's just, you know, you're
right.

607
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,680
Jeff and CJ would probably be
Pickering amongst each other

608
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,520
right now, but I'm just not the
guy for it.

609
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,520
Yeah, yeah, this can be a boring
episode of them from Rebel.

610
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:10,840
We'll leave now if you want.
Go ahead.

611
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,360
I'll screw you.
No, I'll actually, I'll bring up

612
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,960
images here.
I just want to go on record that

613
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:24,600
I don't believe these at all.
I I just think it was, it was

614
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:30,080
fun while it lasted, right?
At no time did I think that this

615
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,840
was even a possibility.
It didn't.

616
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,880
It didn't make national news
like big feet did.

617
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,160
Suddenly you know that's.
True.

618
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,840
Yeah.
But this is this is the image

619
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,160
that everyone's talking or was
talking about here.

620
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,840
And this is this is a computer
generated image of what they

621
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:57,560
believe this represents.
And then here I'll go here.

622
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:02,400
This is Google Maps.
There we are right here in in

623
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,480
Wisconsin and right at the tip
of I believe it was South

624
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,200
America, right?
South America.

625
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,520
There it is.
So I mean so.

626
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:13,760
Basically a chain of islands
mixed in with the topographical

627
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,880
topographical map of the
underside of the ocean.

628
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,159
Yeah, pretty much.
It doesn't have the lines like a

629
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,679
topographical map, but yeah, I
mean, it's it it, it literally

630
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:29,960
just shows you like a shelf and
then you but it's it looks

631
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,120
fucking badass.
Let's be honest.

632
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,639
It looks like the head of
something huge, right?

633
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,120
It does look cool.
It looks freaking cool.

634
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,440
But the way people were talking
about this.

635
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,560
I mean, you would have expected
it to have moved by now.

636
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,480
I know, I know.
Right.

637
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,560
Yeah, right.
But it's like, come on, guys.

638
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,920
It's this is this is pareidolia.
Is what this this, that's what

639
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,679
this is.
It looks freaking cool.

640
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,400
Could it be a submerged
leviathan?

641
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,440
I highly doubt.
It So here's the thing, though.

642
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,160
Here's what piques my interest
is like, all right, let's just

643
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,800
say for the sake of argument
that I was fully on board that

644
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,800
this is like some dinosaur or
something underneath the water.

645
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,080
Maybe it's a skeleton of a
dinosaur and that's making the

646
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:12,880
shelf.
I don't know.

647
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:18,360
I could literally save up money
for two months and take a trip

648
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,520
to that point at the bottom of
South America.

649
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:23,960
May.
I don't know how many stops that

650
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,000
would be in a plane, but I could
take a trip to that and I could

651
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,320
rent a boat and go there and it
wouldn't take me more than a few

652
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,360
months of savings.
I will never see the surface of

653
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,160
Mars.
You see what I'm saying?

654
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,800
When it comes to like two things
that that piqued my interest.

655
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,760
I'm not smart enough.
I don't have a specialty that

656
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,400
the government needs for Mars.
You know, they've got plenty of

657
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,720
avionics technic we.
Talk about man you got.

658
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,480
Your you got.
Your AMP license.

659
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,000
No, I don't.
Not yet.

660
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,320
You will.
I will in a few months, but in

661
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,080
that same few months I could be
literally in a boat above that

662
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:04,240
spot and be like, well, let's go
down there and hold our breath,

663
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,240
you know.
But it's like I could, I could

664
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:09,240
be there.
I could go to the other part of

665
00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:12,320
South Africa right there.
I could be at the bottom of that

666
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,000
spot.
I could go to Madagascar right

667
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,520
there in that map.
And I could do all those sorts

668
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:17,960
of things.
And I will never be on the

669
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,280
surface of the moon.
I'm not my cousin who's in NASA

670
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:22,880
who's getting ready for a moon
mission.

671
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,640
You know, she knew what she
wanted to be to do and wanted to

672
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,360
be, and she made it happen
through the US military and all

673
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,120
that sort of stuff.
Great for her.

674
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:33,120
Shout out to Jessica, good job.
I will never be that.

675
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,320
I'm never going to Mars.
I'm never going to be able to

676
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:41,760
probably see like the unedited
photos from a, from the Hubble

677
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,000
telescope or whatever it is or
the was it the James Webb is the

678
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,040
new one.
Like I'm never going to be that

679
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,600
guy at NASA that's doing that.
You know, I'm a podcaster and I

680
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,400
work on airplanes, but I could
go see that maybe I save it for

681
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,600
a year and that will get me
closer to seeing what that is

682
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,920
before I ever see the surface of
another planet.

683
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,480
So, you know, it is what it is,
and that's why it piques my

684
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,720
interest.
You know, we could go to Ohio

685
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:09,680
and see if there's big feet.
We'll never be able to see Mars,

686
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,160
at least what Mars really looks
like.

687
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,400
And not like Arizona in a red
filter, you know?

688
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,640
I believe we can.
No, I'm just kidding.

689
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,880
Actually, I don't.
I just, I got to share this with

690
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,160
you because I think this is
pretty funny.

691
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,840
Somebody put it right next to
Hampton Roads.

692
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,440
I love my I love the red arrow.
They should have been a red

693
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,920
circle.
They should have.

694
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,440
They should have.
For those of you that are new to

695
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,720
the Infinite Rabbit Hole, Jake
and I were in the Navy together

696
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:43,520
and we were stationed in
Norfolk, VA, which is, you know.

697
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,440
There's a lot of ships out there
that are dumping a lot of weird

698
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,360
stuff into the ocean.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's

699
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:52,680
like.
Poop monster.

700
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,080
Yeah, the sheer amount of human
fecal matter in that part of the

701
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,920
ocean has before they pull into
port and after they pull out of

702
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,720
port, has created some sort of a
mutant giant sea creature that's

703
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:06,720
sitting right outside of Hampton
Roads.

704
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,400
That's hilarious.
There it is.

705
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:13,400
That's proof right there.
Proof Sea monsters.

706
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,840
That's great.
See, we turned it into

707
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,000
something.
That's great.

708
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,800
All right, You ready for the
deep dive, man?

709
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,280
Yeah, dude, let's go.
Guess where we're going?

710
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,080
That's a space.
We're going to Mars.

711
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,040
Yeah, well, never mind.
Yeah, I guess Mars is my

712
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:28,760
interest.
I don't know.

713
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,960
All right, let's deep dive on
March 3rd, 2026, researchers at

714
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:38,280
Johns Hopkins University
published a study in PNAS Nexus

715
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,720
that might, and I'm not
overselling this might actually

716
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:44,760
provide the first experimental
evidence that life could survive

717
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,920
traveling between planets.
This is about spermia, the

718
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,520
theory that life doesn't
necessarily originate on the

719
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,720
planet where you find it.
That life could start on one

720
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:57,880
world, get ejected in the space
through a massive impact,

721
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,040
survive the journey and seed
another planet.

722
00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:03,880
And for the first time,
scientists have shown that it's

723
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,360
possible.
Here's what they did.

724
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,400
They took Dinococcus
radiodurans.

725
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,320
I'm going to butcher that
because I say that a ton of

726
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,760
times in the script.
A bacterium known as the

727
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:18,200
toughest Organism on Earth and
subjected it to conditions that

728
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,080
stimulate what would happen if a
chunk of rock containing

729
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,920
bacteria was blasted off of the
surface of Mars by an asteroid

730
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,400
impact.
Specifically, they squeeze the

731
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,880
bacteria between steel plates
and subjected it to three

732
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,560
gigapascals of pressure.
Let me put that in perspective.

733
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:42,840
3 gigapascals is 30,000 times
atmospheric pressure.

734
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,200
That's roughly equivalent to the
pressure at the bottom of the

735
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,920
Mariana Trench, the deepest part
of the ocean, multiplied by

736
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,600
three.
That's the kind of shock

737
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,640
pressure you get when a massive
asteroid slams into a planet at

738
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:59,400
10s of thousands of mph.
And here's what happened. 60% of

739
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,720
the bacteria survived.
Not only did they survive, they

740
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:07,040
prioritized repairing the damage
to their cell structures and

741
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,680
kept functioning.
And in some of the most extreme

742
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,120
tests, the equipment broke
before the bacteria did.

743
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,440
One of the researchers, a
scientist named Zhao, said this

744
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,840
quote.
We have shown that it is

745
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,080
possible for life to survive
large scale impact and ejection.

746
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,560
Maybe we're Martians.
Now that's a bold statement, but

747
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,920
it's rooted in real scientific
hypotheses that's been debated

748
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,600
for over a century.
Let me explain panspermia and

749
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,200
why this experiment matters.
Panspermia is the idea that life

750
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,800
exists throughout the universe
and spreads from planet to

751
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:44,360
planet or even star system to
star system by hitchhiking on

752
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,920
rocks, comets, or asteroids.
The concept goes back to the

753
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,960
ancient Greeks, but the modern
scientific version was proposed

754
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,480
in the early 1900s by Swedish
chemist named Savante Arrhenius.

755
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,760
Arrhenius suggested that tiny
microorganisms could be carried

756
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,280
through space by radiation
pressure from stars.

757
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:08,320
He called it radiopanspermia.
That version of the theory has

758
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,160
mostly been discarded because
space is brutal.

759
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,840
Cosmic radiation, ultraviolet
light, extreme coal and vacuum

760
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,160
conditions would destroy most
organisms exposed directly to

761
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,800
space.
But there's a more plausible

762
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,560
version of panspermia called
lithopanspermia.

763
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,520
Lithopanspermia says that life
doesn't travel naked through

764
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,720
space, It travels inside rocks.
Here's how it works.

765
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,200
A large asteroid or comet slams
into a planet, let's say Mars.

766
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,600
The impact is so powerful that
ejects chunks of rock into

767
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,800
space.
Some of those chunks escape

768
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:47,160
Mars's gravity and begin
drifting through the solar

769
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,120
system.
If there's life on Mars,

770
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:52,520
microorganisms living in the
soil or in cracks in the rock,

771
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,920
some of those organisms could be
inside the ejector material.

772
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,800
Those rocks drift through space
for thousands or millions of

773
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,960
years, and eventually some of
them fall fall onto another

774
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,000
planet, let's say Earth.
The rock enters Earth's

775
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,000
atmosphere, heats up, but the
interior stays cool enough that

776
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,680
the organisms inside survive.
The rock crashes into the ocean

777
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,440
or onto land, and the
microorganisms are now on a new

778
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,200
planet.
If the conditions are right,

779
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,560
water, nutrients, a stable
environment, the organisms could

780
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,640
start reproducing in over
millions or billions of years.

781
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,240
They could evolve into more
complex life.

782
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,960
That is litho panspermia, and
it's not science fiction.

783
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,240
We know for a fact that rocks
get ejected from planets and

784
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:37,520
travel through space.
We found meteorites on Earth

785
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,400
that came from Mars.
Over 200 confirmed Martian

786
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,760
meteorites have been discovered.
We know they're from Mars

787
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,600
because the chemical composition
of gases trapped inside them

788
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,720
matches the Martian atmosphere,
which was measured by the Viking

789
00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:52,880
Lander in the 1970s.
So the mechanism for

790
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,280
transporting rocks between
planets is real.

791
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,440
The question is, could life
survive the journey?

792
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,240
And that's what the John Hopkins
experiment tested.

793
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,920
The researchers focus on the
most extreme part of the

794
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,840
journey, ejection.
When an asteroid hits a planet,

795
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,040
it doesn't just knock rocks into
space gently, it creates A

796
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,360
shockwave that propagates
through the ground.

797
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,240
The pressure is immense.
The temperature spikes.

798
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,960
The rock accelerates from zero
to escape velocity in a fraction

799
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,760
of a second.
That's the most violent part of

800
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,920
the process.
If life can survive the

801
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,680
ejection, then the rest of the
journey drifting through space,

802
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,720
entering an atmosphere landing
might be survivable too.

803
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:37,920
So the team used a mineral anvil
press to simulate impact shock.

804
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,520
They place Denococcus
radiodurans bacteria between 2

805
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,040
steel plates and applied
pressure gradually until they

806
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,160
reached 3 gigapascals.
They held the pressure for a

807
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,160
brief period, simulating the
shockwave, and then released.

808
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,280
Then they check to see how many
bacteria survived and 60% made

809
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,440
it through.
Bacteria that survived showed

810
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,600
evidence of damage to their cell
envelopes, the outer membrane

811
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,520
that protects the cell.
But the cells prioritize

812
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,160
repairing that damage.
They activated DNA repair

813
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,600
mechanisms, rebuilt their cell
walls, and resumed normal

814
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,160
function.
In some tests, the researchers

815
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,200
pushed the pressure even higher
to see where the bacteria would

816
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,400
fail, and they never found the
limit.

817
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,120
The equipment reached its
maximum capacity and broke

818
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,720
before the bacteria stopped
surviving.

819
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:31,240
Now, Denococcus radiodurans is
not a normal bacterium.

820
00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:34,480
It's an extremophile, an
Organism that thrives in

821
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,120
conditions that would kill
almost anything else.

822
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:38,680
Let me tell you about this
thing.

823
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,040
Denococcus radiodurans was
discovered in 1956 by a

824
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,240
scientist named Arthur Andersen.
He was studying food

825
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:49,760
preservation and tried to
sterilize canned meat using

826
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,000
radiation.
The idea was pretty simple.

827
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,920
Blast the cans with enough
radiation to kill all the

828
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,520
bacteria inside and the food
would stay preserved

829
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,240
indefinitely.
But when Anderson opened the

830
00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:03,520
cans, he found that some of them
were still spoiled.

831
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,120
There was a bacterium inside
that survived doses of radiation

832
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,760
high enough to kill every other
known Organism.

833
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,400
That bacterium was Denococcus
radiodurans, it's nickname

834
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,480
owning the bacterium because
it's almost indestructible.

835
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,200
Here's what it can survive.
It can withstand radiation doses

836
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,720
1000 times higher than what
would kill a human.

837
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,040
In fact, it can survive doses
that would completely shred the

838
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,440
DNA of most organisms.
It can survive extreme

839
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,280
dehydration.
You can dry it out completely,

840
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:41,360
leave it in desiccated states
for years, and then rehydrate it

841
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,440
and it will come back to life.
It can survive freezing.

842
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,840
It could survive heat.
It could survive acidic

843
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,360
environments.
It can survive vacuum

844
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,200
conditions.
And the reason it can do all of

845
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,680
this is because it has an
extraordinary DNA repair system.

846
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,680
Most organisms have one or two
copies of their genome.

847
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,720
Dinococcus radiodurans has four
to 10 copies.

848
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,360
When radiation or extreme
conditions damage its DNA, and I

849
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,320
mean really damage it,
shattering it into hundreds of

850
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,880
fragments, the bacterium can use
that intact copies as templates

851
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,680
to rebuild the broken ones.
It has repair enzymes that

852
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,360
reassemble the DNA like a jigsaw
puzzle, and it does this

853
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,880
incredibly fast.
So when John Hopkins team

854
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,000
subjected it to three
gigapascals of pressure, the

855
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,920
bacteria's DNA got shredded.
But the cells didn't die, they

856
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,760
just started repairing, and 60%
of them succeeded.

857
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,840
Now here's the question.
Is Dinococcus radiodurans

858
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,480
representative of what could
happen with other organisms?

859
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:48,320
The truth is, probably not.
Most bacteria wouldn't survive,

860
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,400
but that's not the point.
The point is that life under

861
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,640
right conditions, with the right
biological adaptations, can

862
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:59,520
survive impacts powerful enough
to eject rocks from planets.

863
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,840
If Dinococcus radiodurans exists
on Earth, it's not unreasonable

864
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,920
to think that similar
extremophiles could exist on

865
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:13,440
Mars or Europo, or in Cladeus,
or any other world with surface

866
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,440
water and energy sources.
So let's talk about Mars.

867
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,480
Mars today is a cold, dry,
radiation blasted desert.

868
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,160
The atmosphere is thin, less
than 1% the density of Earth.

869
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,880
The surface is bombarded by
ultraviolet light and cause

870
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,000
rays.
Liquid water can't exist on the

871
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,880
surface because the pressure is
too low.

872
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,280
But Mars wasn't always like
this.

873
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,320
Billions of years ago, Around
3.5 to 4 billion years ago, Mars

874
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,640
had a thicker atmosphere, liquid
water on the surface, and

875
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,760
possibly a magnetic field that
protected it from radiation.

876
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,240
In other words, early Mars was
potentially habitable.

877
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,560
We know this because we found
evidence of ancient riverbeds,

878
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,400
lake beds, and what might have
been an ocean.

879
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,400
In the northern hemisphere.
The Mars Rovers Spirit,

880
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,840
Opportunity, Curiosity, and
Perseverance have found rocks

881
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,680
that formed in the presence of
water.

882
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:08,760
So if Mars was habitable 4
billion years ago, could life

883
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,240
have existed there?
We don't know, but it's

884
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:14,000
possible.
And if life did exist on Mars,

885
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,520
and if Mars was hit by a large
asteroid, which which we know it

886
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,120
was, then rocks containing
Martian microorganisms could

887
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,600
have ejected into space.
Some of those rocks would have

888
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,560
drifted through the solar
system, and some of them would

889
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,680
have eventually fallen on Earth.
Now here's the really

890
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,440
interesting part.
Life on Earth appeared very

891
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,280
quickly after the planet became
habitable.

892
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,360
The Earth formed about 4.5
billion years ago.

893
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,440
For the first few 100 million
years, the surface was molten.

894
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,520
It was bombarded by asteroids.
It was completely inhospitable

895
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,200
to life.
But as soon as the surface

896
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,360
cooled and liquid water appeared
around 4 billion years ago, life

897
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,640
showed up.
We have evidence of microbial

898
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,600
life on Earth dating back 3.8
billion years.

899
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,520
Some researchers argue it could
be even older, possibly 4.1

900
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,280
billion years.
That's a very short window from

901
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:06,560
quote UN quote uninhabitable
hellscapes to life existing in a

902
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,400
few 100 million years.
And that raises a question, did

903
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,960
life originate on Earth or did
it arrive from somewhere else?

904
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,640
If panspermia is real, then it's
possible that life started on

905
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,720
Mars or another planet and got
transferred to Earth via

906
00:49:19,720 --> 00:49:22,320
meteorite.
And if that's true, and we're

907
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,920
not Earthlings, we're Martians.
So what does that mean?

908
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,560
First, it means that panspermia
is not just a wild hypothesis.

909
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:31,200
It's a testable, plausible
mechanism for how life could

910
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,320
spread through the solar system.
Second, it means that we need to

911
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,520
be extremely careful about
contamination when we send

912
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,520
missions to other planets.
Right now, NASA and other space

913
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,400
agencies have strict planetary
protection protocols.

914
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,760
They sterilize spacecraft to
avoid bringing Earth microbes to

915
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,960
Mars, Europa, or other
potentially habitable worlds.

916
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,120
But if Earth life can survive
the condition of ejection in

917
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,240
space travel, then it's possible
that microbes from Earth could

918
00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:02,920
contaminate other planets not
through intentional missions,

919
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:07,000
but through natural processes.
Conversely, if we find life on

920
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,720
Mars, we need to ask is it
native Martian life, or did it

921
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:12,560
come from Earth via meteorite
exchange?

922
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,920
Third, it means that the search
for life in the solar system

923
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,840
just got more water exists
today, subsurface oceans on

924
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,960
Europa and Cladeus, and possibly
Titan.

925
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,120
But if Transpernia is real, then
life could exist in places we

926
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,280
wouldn't expect because it
didn't originate there, it was

927
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,240
delivered.
And 4th, it raises the

928
00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:33,520
possibility that life is more
common in the universe than we

929
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,480
thought.
If life can travel between

930
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,840
planets within a solar system,
then it only needs to originate

931
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,680
once.
After that it can spread.

932
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,040
And if life can spread within a
solar system, then maybe, just

933
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,920
maybe, it can spread between
star systems too.

934
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:51,040
Not via asteroids because the
distances are too vast, but via

935
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,680
comets or interstellar objects
like a MUA, MUA, or even

936
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,840
deliberate transpermia.
Hypothetical advanced

937
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,520
civilization seating other
worlds with life.

938
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:05,720
That's speculative, but the John
Hopkins experiment makes a

939
00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:08,360
little less speculative than it
was before.

940
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,640
Johns Hopkins researchers
subjected the toughest bacterium

941
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,320
on Earth to pressure simulating
an asteroid impact ejection from

942
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,000
Mars. 60% survived.
The equipment broke before the

943
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,600
bacteria did.
This is the first experimental

944
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,800
evidence that life could survive
being blasted off one planet and

945
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,200
potentially landing on another.
It doesn't prove that panspermia

946
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,560
happened, but it proves that it
could happen.

947
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,560
And if it could happen, then the
question of whether we're alone

948
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,360
in the universe just got a
little more complicated.

949
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,600
Because if life can travel
between worlds, then Earth might

950
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,600
not be the origin of life.
We might be descendants of

951
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,600
microbes that come from Mars or
Europa or somewhere else

952
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,960
entirely.
As researchers, Zhao said, maybe

953
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,880
we're Martians.
So, Jake, we are all very well

954
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,520
aware of your personal beliefs.
But for the sake of the episode,

955
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,000
I have to ask, what do you
think?

956
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,520
Does this change how you think
about the the origin of life on

957
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,480
earth?
Or is this still too much of A

958
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,320
leaf?
OK, so I wrote down some some

959
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,680
notes while you were.
Going through there, yeah.

960
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:14,520
Have there been any known
meteorites that have come from

961
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,960
Mars containing bacteria that we
have?

962
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:23,840
There has been a few reports.
Of meteorites or or debris that

963
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:29,000
is said to be from Mars.
So can we prove it without with

964
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,680
100%?
No, I don't think so because my

965
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,760
my follow up question would.
Be if you said yes, well you

966
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,160
kind of said yes can't be proven
100% and that's fire.

967
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,760
Let's just say for the sake of
argument, let's say I'm wrong.

968
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,280
It's not a young Earth.
It is in fact an old Earth.

969
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:49,880
And we have craters all over the
planet, not just calderas that

970
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:55,080
were once volcanoes, but also
actual like impact sites, right?

971
00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:58,720
I mean, wouldn't it be more
likely that the planet that has

972
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,840
all of the greenery on it and
still exists, despite what

973
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,640
people might say, is the
irreparable damage that humans

974
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,600
have done to the the Earth,
right?

975
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,400
Whether that's true or not,
that's what's said, right?

976
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,360
Greenhouse gases, all that sort
of stuff.

977
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,280
It's not like we're, we're doing
our best to preserve this,

978
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,160
right?
We're seems like if if it was

979
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,760
possible to destroy the planet,
we do a pretty Dang good job at

980
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,360
it, right?
And now you put nuclear weapons

981
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,040
into it and here we are.
But wouldn't it be more likely

982
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,600
that we would get hit with a
meteorite or meteor and it would

983
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:38,400
bounce bacteria from our planet
to Mars to be discovered?

984
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,480
Like I've seen the thing, the
reports of like, oh, we think we

985
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,800
found bacteria on Mars.
It's like, OK, well, what's the

986
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,160
likelihood that it came from
Mars or it came from Earth and

987
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,480
then got shot to Mars, right?
It's a good question.

988
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:54,760
A billion years ago, right?
Or 2 billion years ago type

989
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:59,600
stuff.
And then after all that time, we

990
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,640
know that bacteria spreads like
like nobody's business.

991
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,880
Given the right conditions,
what's to say that our big, big

992
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,360
old rock doesn't hit Mars and
bounce it back to Earth?

993
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,800
And then we're like, oh, this is
from Mars, you know, it's

994
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,280
bacteria and stuff.
And it's like, no, it was just

995
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:15,920
from us from a real long time
ago.

996
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,960
I made it over there and now
it's back, right type stuff.

997
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,920
I mean, we could honestly just
be like catching the flu at

998
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,720
work, just coughing into each
other's mouths just over the

999
00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:27,880
years, you know, basically just
sharing bacteria.

1000
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:32,880
I mean, I wouldn't say that
we're Martians just because we

1001
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,960
have bacteria that can survive
extreme conditions.

1002
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,760
It's like, OK, so it could now
give an example of when it did.

1003
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,160
And it's like, well, before you
jump on your high horse or jump

1004
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,640
to the conclusion that we're
from another planet, you should

1005
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,280
probably, you know, get down a
specific time frame where you

1006
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,080
can say this is when, you know,
we got struck by a meteor.

1007
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:58,080
We went over there.
We found none earth bacteria,

1008
00:54:58,240 --> 00:55:00,160
whether in a fossilized state or
not.

1009
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,000
And then to that I would, well,
I'd have to ask.

1010
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,000
It's like, well, how much change
does bacteria do over time?

1011
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,080
Could it have enough?
Because like, we know how

1012
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,520
viruses work, right?
They get immune to like our, our

1013
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,800
vaccines and stuff.
The next year it's stronger and

1014
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:21,000
stronger, stronger but naturally
without that sort of, you know,

1015
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,480
quite your dire adapt sort of
response.

1016
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:30,480
Does bacteria in nature change
enough over time that say in

1017
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:36,320
1000 years, you know, I don't
know, name something common

1018
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,680
would look completely different
and we wouldn't be able to

1019
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,680
recognize it and be like, I
don't know where this came from,

1020
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,760
but didn't come from here.
If you didn't have any of the

1021
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,920
previous, you know, let's call
it adaptation in the meantime,

1022
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,360
right, You just had maybe you
just had the original and then

1023
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,400
you have the new and improved
version, but nothing in between.

1024
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,640
Could you say, Oh, it's
something completely different?

1025
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,800
We've never seen this before
without without having the

1026
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,280
knowledge of it, actually just,
you know, changed over time like

1027
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,960
a lot of animals do, right?
It's not it's not going from

1028
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,960
bacteria to a fish.
It's not evolving like that.

1029
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,840
It's just going from a simpler
form of bacteria to a more

1030
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,920
complex or stronger form of
bacteria.

1031
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,760
But it's still saying, still
saying bacteria, right?

1032
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:21,320
Yeah.
I would wonder how much change

1033
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:25,160
there is over time.
And then, you know, could that

1034
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,360
be like, OK, we got, I don't
know, I'm not like the bacteria

1035
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,720
guy either.
What's a good common bacteria

1036
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:34,520
without a saying?
An STD, all blown AIDS.

1037
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:35,880
All right, so.
Full.

1038
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:37,640
Blown aids.
Full blown aids.

1039
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:40,920
Was a.
A billion years ago, full blown

1040
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,880
AIDS looked however, full blown
AIDS looked a billion years ago.

1041
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,760
And then it got, we got hit by a
meteorite and got sent to Mars.

1042
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:53,280
And then over the years the full
blown aids has adapted and

1043
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:54,800
adapted and adapted here on
Earth.

1044
00:56:54,800 --> 00:57:00,320
Let's say it was stuck in stasis
on, on Mars because it just, you

1045
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,560
know, it's a harsh environment.
There's no moisture, it can't

1046
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,200
grow, it can't develop, it
can't, you know, replicate

1047
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,440
itself.
So just stuck in stasis right

1048
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,320
there.
This aids here on Earth is

1049
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,360
getting way, way, way more
advanced and wherever it's at

1050
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:18,320
now and Oh no, a meteor hits
Mars and it bounces the the

1051
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,280
space aids back to Earth.
And then we're like, what is

1052
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,200
this bacteria?
We've never seen this before

1053
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,280
because we're only used to this
last, you know, 100 years of

1054
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,000
bacteria research.
We don't know what AIDS looks

1055
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,200
like a billion years ago.
You know what I'm saying?

1056
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:39,240
I don't disagree with you.
But I no, I don't think that

1057
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,560
we're Martians.
I it's just, it's too far

1058
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,960
fetched.
I don't see any, I don't

1059
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:50,160
personally see any evidence even
in our own fossil records to

1060
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,760
show any, any evidence
whatsoever of evolution.

1061
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,240
You know, you just see one
animal that looks like an animal

1062
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:58,920
and another animal that looks
like an animal.

1063
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,440
And to say that there's a link
in between them when, you know,

1064
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:05,760
let's just say it's a rabbit
that has 100 Cubs, I think

1065
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,840
they're called Cubs. 100 Cubs or
babies a year, right?

1066
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:13,920
Crazy breeding cycles or a rat
over the course of a billion

1067
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:15,360
years.
How many you know?

1068
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:21,360
Many, you know, babies is that,
but we have nothing in between.

1069
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,640
We just have a rat and a lizard.
Yeah, they're probably linked

1070
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,400
somehow.
You know, it's just like it just

1071
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,520
I just don't see it.
But and it's even further to go

1072
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:34,240
from a bacteria to an animal
that's not bacteria because we

1073
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,040
still have bacteria.
And unless they change in

1074
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,920
drastic ways, I mean, they're
still bacteria, right?

1075
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,240
So that means that for some
reason some bacteria decide to

1076
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,480
turn into animals and other
bacteria didn't.

1077
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,560
But they didn't have a brain to
decide why to do that, why to do

1078
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:49,680
that, that are not to do that,
right?

1079
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,240
So it just doesn't make any
sense to me.

1080
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,840
Also, thanks to Arthur Andersen,
I guess we could thank him for

1081
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,800
all the weird cancers.
We have blasted cans of food

1082
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,920
with radiation thanks to that
guy.

1083
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,520
Also, I have to get this point
out just before, before I

1084
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:10,080
forget, I looked it up.
All right, It's called Uswaya.

1085
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,680
Yeah, Uswaya Argentina is the
lowest point on that map that

1086
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,640
you showed me.
I could leave Thursday, May 7th

1087
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:23,160
and come back Monday, May 11th.
One day and five hours of travel

1088
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:30,080
round trip for a $1798 to the
lowest point in Argentina before

1089
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,400
I get to the island chains and
renting a boat and in another

1090
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,720
500 miles I could be right over
the top of that leviathan.

1091
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,680
So that's how close I am.
I'm literally a paycheck or a

1092
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,360
disability check away from
discovering whether or not this

1093
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,640
is a leviathan.
That's how close I am before I

1094
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,960
get to the surface of Mars.
That's phenomenal man.

1095
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,440
There there's.
That's going.

1096
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,640
Through multiple airlines.
That's great if I.

1097
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,400
If I wanted to just do a couple
airlines, it would be like

1098
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,120
$32148, but that's what I'm
looking at.

1099
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,200
That's before baggage fees and
all that sort of stuff, you

1100
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:03,720
know?
But yeah, so that's how.

1101
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,800
I am discovering that before I
get to the moon or Mars or

1102
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:10,280
whatever, confirm Jake's gonna
hunt the Leviathan.

1103
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,120
Yeah, right.
Leviathan hunting.

1104
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:19,160
Give me a.
Habit of big spear I.

1105
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:23,280
Think the only I, I don't have
much to add to this man I, I, I

1106
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,880
think tanspermia is, is a
fascinating topic.

1107
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,280
I, I think it's very
interesting, but you bring up a

1108
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,320
good point, right?
Could we be just volley

1109
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,040
volleying?
Yeah, rocks back and forth,

1110
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:36,800
right.
And where did, where did

1111
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,040
originally come from?
It's, it's a good question.

1112
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,600
It is a good question.
I did look up.

1113
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,360
I just asked Google.
So I don't know how true this

1114
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,880
is.
OK, all I'm doing is just going

1115
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:54,320
off the Google here just for the
sake why not DuckDuckGo?

1116
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,080
But you know he'll be.
He'll be all right.

1117
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,200
So I just said do we have
meteorites from Mars and said

1118
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:04,120
the AI overview on Google says
yes, over 300 classified

1119
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,920
meteorites on Earth originated
from Mars.

1120
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,720
There's your your answer.
I take that with a grain of salt

1121
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:15,080
because it's just a Google.
It's I'm not looking at any peer

1122
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,960
reviewed articles or anything
like that, but I have no.

1123
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,280
Doubt we've been hit.
By.

1124
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,440
Other planetary rocks.
But it's like, were there

1125
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,000
bacteria on those rocks?
Good question.

1126
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:27,600
No idea.
No idea.

1127
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,440
And then, you know, could we say
that those.

1128
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,680
If it was a yes, could we say
that those bacteria originated

1129
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:38,120
on that planet?
Or since we have 300 known ones

1130
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,480
and who many, who knows how many
thousands of land, forests and

1131
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:45,840
jungles and wherever, right into
the ocean in all kinds of

1132
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,480
places?
You know, what's to say that we

1133
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,280
aren't just, like you said,
falling him back, or my example,

1134
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:52,800
coughing him to each other's
throats?

1135
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,160
You know, just like I got the
flu now.

1136
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:57,040
Thanks.
You know it's.

1137
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,760
Like Mars just got the flu and
it's AIDS, you know, it's full

1138
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,760
blown AIDS.
So, but I just like, I don't

1139
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:08,600
want to, I mean, and, and like,
even if I were to put on a

1140
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,680
evolutionary lens, which I mean,
it's not hard to do, I

1141
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:16,040
understand, like I understand
the reasoning and the need to

1142
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:17,760
like find out where we came
from.

1143
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:21,000
And it's not lost on me, right?
And I can understand it can be

1144
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,600
difficult for me to just sum it
up to be like, yeah, I mean,

1145
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:25,720
obviously it's a, you know,
fantastic creation.

1146
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,280
It needed a creator, you know,
like the bacteria had to come

1147
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,160
from somewhere.
It didn't come from nothing,

1148
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:31,960
right?
So it's like, where did the even

1149
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,880
if it was evolution was right,
where did the bacteria come

1150
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,520
from?
But you'd expect other planets,

1151
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:42,560
say like say for example, we
didn't originate here, or life

1152
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,920
didn't originate here, or even
certain bacteria didn't

1153
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:47,360
originate here.
Whatever, right?

1154
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:51,280
But let's just say it did
originate on Titan or Europa or

1155
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:55,440
whatever these other places are.
Why don't we see advanced life

1156
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,280
on those places?
If they had the same bacteria

1157
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:02,560
billions of years ago, we should
see at least one strain out of

1158
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:07,720
all the Quintilian species of
bacteria that are on Earth, one

1159
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,600
single strain that developed
into something other than just

1160
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:15,000
single celled organisms.
Maybe fish, right.

1161
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:18,640
If we can't show that, you know,
if, if other planets can have

1162
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,440
water, if they could have gas,
if they don't even have to have

1163
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:25,120
what we would consider a
breathable atmosphere because

1164
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,840
what's to say there can't be an
Organism that breathes only

1165
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,560
nitrogen?
I mean, it would be very

1166
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,000
different than us.
But you know, it's like, shoot

1167
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,560
fish breathe oxygen in a water
form.

1168
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,680
I mean, just be like, you know,
something completely different,

1169
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,760
right?
I believe we do have organisms.

1170
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:46,520
On Earth that breed nitrogen by
like volcanic fence in the ocean

1171
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,960
I'm yeah, I mean like, but on
another planet.

1172
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,840
Yeah, right, they say.
Well, it's an UN UN.

1173
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:58,120
It's not life sustaining the
makeup of the atmosphere.

1174
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,040
And it's like, what does that
matter?

1175
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,000
Yeah, you're right.
I mean, we have types of sponges

1176
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,720
and stuff that hang out by
volcanic vents, right.

1177
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,000
But it's in the ocean.
But it's like that should be

1178
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,800
apparent and be able to be
observed on other planets that

1179
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:14,720
are like that.
Maybe one day we get to another

1180
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:16,200
planet and we find that.
I don't know.

1181
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,840
But until that happens, the idea
that, you know, we came from

1182
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,920
another planet as bacteria and
then somehow evolved called into

1183
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,840
this and then all the other
things and also those bacterias

1184
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:31,680
probably still exist somehow.
It's just, yeah, it's kind of

1185
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:35,040
silly to me.
Two things, One.

1186
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:39,280
Just while you were talking
about your space AIDS and

1187
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:40,600
spitting it in each other's
mouths.

1188
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:48,840
I just I-22 things, but I'm
pretty sure AIDS is viral.

1189
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,320
I don't think it's a bacteria.
Pretty sure it's viral.

1190
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,000
Well then you failed to name a
bacteria.

1191
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,240
I did.
I did.

1192
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:58,840
And while you were?
Talking I wrote some down that I

1193
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,600
just off the top my head.
Salmonella, strep and staph I

1194
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:04,840
think are the those are
bacteria.

1195
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:10,480
I'm pretty sure those are
bacteria that that okay strep

1196
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,280
then full blown strep full.
Blown staph infection?

1197
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,240
That's a gross one.
Spitting each others mouths?

1198
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,120
Well, I mean.
Yeah, yeah, I.

1199
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:21,960
Mean, I know people are gonna do
the cool this goes an idiot.

1200
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,160
It's like, yeah, well, I don't
study this crap, you know, I

1201
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,080
don't have a degree and whatever
degree is.

1202
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:29,440
Necessary for that I don't I.
Don't obviously don't work in a

1203
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,600
lab.
You know, neither of us have

1204
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:33,200
degrees or sometimes come home
with.

1205
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,800
Grease under my fingernails.
If I work in a lab, that

1206
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,640
probably wouldn't happen.
Probably, you know, that's just

1207
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:40,200
from a printer or something.
But yeah.

1208
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,720
And then the only other thing
just to build on what you were.

1209
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:46,640
Talking about when it comes to
what we could breathe

1210
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:52,360
differently, I mean as far as we
know, and I know biologists will

1211
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:56,720
argue this would mean there
could be non carbon based life

1212
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:01,000
forms and that would.
Be completely.

1213
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,960
Foreign to what we could even
imagine.

1214
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,720
You talk to a biologist.
Or.

1215
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:12,800
Any paid scienti,
Scientiologists, Scientologists,

1216
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:19,000
Scientologists, scientists out
there, Get them, get them, bring

1217
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:20,440
them on over here.
See.

1218
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:21,000
We're done.
We.

1219
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:27,920
Don't go to school.
They would argue that life has

1220
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:29,920
is based.
Off of carbon.

1221
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:36,000
What if what, what if it's not?
What if it's what if It can be

1222
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:37,600
based off of a different
element?

1223
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:42,720
And there's, there's a million
reasons why carbon is a perfect

1224
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:47,400
vessel for life, perfect
building block for life, but

1225
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,600
we're looking at it through the
lens of carbon based life forms.

1226
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:54,880
So I would, I would go out and
say, I would, I would say that

1227
01:06:54,880 --> 01:07:00,040
there has to be other
elementally based life forms out

1228
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,360
there as well.
I would also not be surprised if

1229
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:06,000
it's only carbon based too.
But I just just throwing it out

1230
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:10,720
there that we really don't know
what other life forms look like.

1231
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,960
We don't know what they're, what
they consist of.

1232
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:20,240
We don't know anything really.
Humans have this habit of

1233
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:24,120
looking at their environment, at
the their surroundings through a

1234
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,960
human lens, which is human
nature, right?

1235
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,000
We are humans.
We have human eyes, we have

1236
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,040
human minds, we have humans
hearts, whatever.

1237
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:36,880
So yeah, it's you would think
that we would see things through

1238
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:40,520
a human lens.
But let's say there is life in

1239
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:44,640
other planets outside of our
solar system, outside of our

1240
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,880
Galaxy, you know, somewhere out
there.

1241
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:52,400
What's to say that the human
perspective is anywhere near

1242
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,840
correct?
It's like, it's like every Alien

1243
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,200
movie that if.
Has ever happened with the

1244
01:07:58,200 --> 01:07:59,960
exception of think maybe the
BLOB.

1245
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:04,840
It's like it's all carbon based
life forms or or some sort of a

1246
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,760
air breathing or you know,
whatever sort of life form.

1247
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,640
It's like they've never had the
one where the thing comes down

1248
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,800
and it's skin is made of
diamonds, right?

1249
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:19,240
Yeah, right.
So yeah, I, I.

1250
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:25,840
Agree man, it's.
I don't think transpermia is the

1251
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:29,160
answer, but I believe it's a
very interesting topic.

1252
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:33,319
We've covered it.
We, Wes and I actually covered

1253
01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:37,800
it in one of our first 5 or 10
episodes on the show.

1254
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:39,359
Actually, we did A2 parter on
it.

1255
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,279
Very, very.
You guys want to listen to some

1256
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:45,200
embarrassing shit?
We'll listen to those.

1257
01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:49,160
I mean, we didn't.
We had no idea what we were

1258
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,040
doing.
It's certainly incredibly

1259
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:54,319
interesting.
And it's interesting that I

1260
01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:57,080
mean, I'm previous section just
talking about exploring the

1261
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:01,160
bottom of the ocean and that was
a reference that you gave, you

1262
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:05,040
know, bottom of the Marianas
Trench, you know, 30,000 times

1263
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:09,399
atmospheric pressure, which is
absolutely insane to think of,

1264
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:11,760
right?
I mean I totally 10,000 around

1265
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,920
it 10. 1000 at the bottom of the
Mariana Trench, applied three

1266
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,279
times the pressure of Well,
never mind.

1267
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:18,880
Still I don't.
I can't.

1268
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:20,399
Conceive what that would look
like.

1269
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:22,479
You know how fast would that
destroy the human body?

1270
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:26,640
Probably you just thought
subjected to if a human being

1271
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,359
got subjected to that pressure
instantly, right?

1272
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:34,279
Went from like this to that.
How small would the pieces be

1273
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:37,800
and would you be even able to
see them under anything other

1274
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,880
than a microscope?
And it's crazy because we have

1275
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,319
some.
Other extremophiles that live

1276
01:09:43,319 --> 01:09:47,160
there, we know there's things
that live down there, but it,

1277
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:51,720
it's kind of the reverse, right?
If you go deep sea fishing and

1278
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,840
you bring a fish up too fast,
it's swim bladder goes out of

1279
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:59,520
its mouth, you know, and, and,
and it, it explodes where we

1280
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,800
would implode it right.
There's, it's wild, man.

1281
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,280
It's, it's wild.
The diversity of life that's out

1282
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:08,080
there on this planet alone.
And you would think you would

1283
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:10,680
only get more different the
further you go.

1284
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,080
Who's to say that carbon based
life form is the only life form

1285
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,400
there is?
I, I think it's interesting.

1286
01:10:17,480 --> 01:10:19,360
I thought about what I talked
to.

1287
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,520
CJ about, I don't think it was
this last episode, but maybe the

1288
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:27,960
one prior to it.
And he said, you know, could it

1289
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:31,640
be that we're all in just like
terrariums essentially, right,

1290
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,480
of just different types of life
forms and terrariums.

1291
01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:38,640
And I still stand by my answer.
I said, yeah, I mean, sure, why

1292
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,800
not, you know, and because I
honestly, I'm, I'm never going

1293
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,720
to know, I don't think, but, you
know, until I'm no longer on

1294
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:48,520
this plane of existence.
But I mean, yeah, you know, why

1295
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:50,600
not?
And maybe that goes into that,

1296
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,720
you know, what does that look
like from another dimension?

1297
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,520
You know, what does life look
like, if you could even call it

1298
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,480
life as we would define it,
right?

1299
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:01,640
Breathing, hearts, brains,
things like that.

1300
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,120
You know, what does that look
like on another dimensional

1301
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:05,440
plane?
What does that look like in

1302
01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:10,320
another, You know, completely
what we'd see is even even maybe

1303
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:14,200
to our own bacteria or pansymia,
bacteria that can, you know,

1304
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,960
survive.
It seems everything what if we

1305
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,680
found a place that was so
hostile even they couldn't

1306
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:23,200
survive, But we found what we
couldn't wouldn't have been able

1307
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:26,840
to wrap our heads around as life
on that, but still found

1308
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:28,760
something moving.
I don't know.

1309
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,960
Heck, what does that look like?
So yeah, I mean, the interest is

1310
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:35,720
certainly there, but I don't
know if that'll ever be a a

1311
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:39,080
thing where it can be like, Yep.
And then we went to Zeta

1312
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:44,240
Reticuli and then found, you
know, the the colony of Ruby

1313
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:49,600
people.
You know, even that'd be that'd

1314
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:50,800
be.
Technically carbon based.

1315
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,040
Though Oh well then never mind,
you know?

1316
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,240
They just, they're made of gas.
That's all they are.

1317
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:04,000
They're just clouds of atoms
like we we have.

1318
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:07,240
We have.
Goggles filters right that we

1319
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,400
just.
We cannot even perceive

1320
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:10,760
something that's not carbon
based.

1321
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:16,560
It would be damn near impossible
to accurately correct accurately

1322
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,560
create something that's not
carbon based.

1323
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,640
Maybe that's sentient, I mean.
Thinking.

1324
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,800
Critically, maybe?
That's why people have a hard

1325
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:30,600
time with the idea of God.
You know a a non physical

1326
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,920
spiritual can't see him unless
he wants you to see him sort of

1327
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:37,320
being and that would be a good
example of a non.

1328
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:41,360
Carbon based that can create
life through.

1329
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:44,200
Thought, I mean, I'll be real
sounds wild.

1330
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:48,440
I believe it, but it's like I,
I, I don't know if I have the

1331
01:12:48,440 --> 01:12:52,280
understanding of my brain to to
explain it, you know, besides

1332
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:57,840
that, but maybe that's why
people have such a hard time

1333
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:59,840
with that.
It's like, well, you know, I, I

1334
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:03,360
would, I like to, you know, I
mean, obviously I'm, I'm pretty

1335
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,480
rational, you know, it's like,
I'm not going to see it's

1336
01:13:05,480 --> 01:13:08,360
snowing outside and go outside
in a T-shirt, you know, and it's

1337
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,840
playing my whole day around it
when a pair of shorts and flip

1338
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:12,440
flops, right?
Because I'm not, you know,

1339
01:13:12,440 --> 01:13:14,880
because I can observe what's
going on around me.

1340
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:20,160
But it's like to explain
something so complex without any

1341
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:26,640
way to draw a picture of the
thing or visualize the thing and

1342
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,400
then say that, well, in order to
view it fully, you're going to

1343
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:33,160
have to be dead.
It's like, OK, well, it's good

1344
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:34,720
talking to you, you know, have a
great day.

1345
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:36,120
I'm going to go ahead and close
my door now.

1346
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:40,520
So I know maybe that's what
people get get hung up about.

1347
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:44,520
So I.
Again, going to Google just to

1348
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,360
see what what would come up
here.

1349
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:47,680
I think this is pretty
interesting.

1350
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:52,760
Here I put in what would a non
carbon based life form look

1351
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:54,520
like?
A non carbon based life form

1352
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,160
such as a silicone based
Organism would look like

1353
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,160
Fundamentally different from
anything on earth.

1354
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:02,160
Appearing more like moving
crystals like you had said.

1355
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:04,720
Amorphous blobs or glassy
structures.

1356
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,560
Potential appearances?
Living crystals or minerals,

1357
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:13,000
Amorphous blobs, Insectoid or
glassy beings.

1358
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,400
I don't know about this
insectoid because even our

1359
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:20,120
insects are carbon based or
sessile rocks.

1360
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:24,000
Slow moving or immobile
potential characteristics,

1361
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:28,000
breathing, solid waste, high
temperature habits or habitats.

1362
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,760
Alternative solvents rather than
water.

1363
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:36,400
They may use liquid methane or
ethane or ammonia as a solvent

1364
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:39,560
for their metabolism.
Where we use water, right, Water

1365
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,320
is the universal solvent.
Sure.

1366
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:44,640
Yeah, very.
Interesting stuff.

1367
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:48,440
I.
I think that's interesting.

1368
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:49,920
I found my.
Rabbit hole I'll go down

1369
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:51,280
tonight.
That's cool.

1370
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,320
Yeah.
No, I mean, it's definitely cool

1371
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:54,000
stuff.
I mean.

1372
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,920
If it if nothing else, I can
chalk it up to scientists just

1373
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:03,920
discovered like the most extreme
conditions they can put bacteria

1374
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:07,800
in and then find out that not
only do they survive, but they

1375
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:12,280
also repair their their damaged
parts is pretty remarkable To

1376
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:15,960
the end that I would venture to
say that if I ever got the

1377
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:19,600
opportunity, if I remembered, if
I got the opportunity to ask the

1378
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,680
good Lord why he made them.
What was their purpose besides

1379
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:26,360
just to be like just to just to
mess with got people when they

1380
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:32,720
figured it out, they were I made
bacteria so much more stronger

1381
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:34,320
than you.
Now what?

1382
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:36,920
You know, what are you going to
do about it, Foo Yeah.

1383
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:38,000
What are you going to do about
it?

1384
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:40,360
All right, man, you.
Ready to log off for the night?

1385
01:15:40,440 --> 01:15:42,480
Yeah, dude, I'm.
Going to go ahead and get this.

1386
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:43,960
Outro.
Done.

1387
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:45,960
Do you have anything else to put
out though?

1388
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:48,560
I don't think so.
It's going to everyone.

1389
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,160
Well, it's going to be too late
once this episode airs, but

1390
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:56,280
we're going to get apparently
hammered with snow here in where

1391
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:58,880
we were at in Menominee,
Wisconsin.

1392
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:02,440
It's looking at 24 inches on
Sunday.

1393
01:16:02,440 --> 01:16:05,000
So we'll see.
We'll see what happens.

1394
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,480
I mean, hopefully it'll just be
a little flurry and then I'll go

1395
01:16:07,480 --> 01:16:09,200
away and the sun comes out and
it melts it all.

1396
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:12,720
You know, I'm kind of ready for
a, for a seasonal shift, but I

1397
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:13,720
don't know.
We'll see.

1398
01:16:14,440 --> 01:16:16,920
It's like Mother Nature has one
more or less hurrah.

1399
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:20,240
For us, man, yeah, no doubt.
All right.

1400
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:22,000
That's it.
For tonight's episode, we

1401
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:26,320
covered a Bigfoot flap unfolding
right now in Northeast Ohio. 6

1402
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:29,920
sightings in four days moving
eastward through Portage and

1403
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,440
Trumbull counties.
We talked about the discovery of

1404
01:16:32,440 --> 01:16:35,200
a vast flat structure of dark
matter surrounding our Galaxy

1405
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,840
that solves a 50 year old
mystery about why nearby

1406
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:39,720
galaxies move away from the
Milky Way.

1407
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:44,200
We went deep on bacteria that
survived conditions extreme

1408
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:48,240
enough to stimulate asteroid
impact, ejection from Mars,

1409
01:16:48,440 --> 01:16:51,240
possible evidence of panspermia,
the theory that life on Earth

1410
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:54,160
might have Martian origins.
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1417
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:11,920
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1418
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,200
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1419
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:16,760
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1420
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:21,040
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1421
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