IRH 274: David Wilcock Dies & FBI Investigates Scientists

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On April 19th, 2026, a man named
David Wilcox sat down in front

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of a camera for what would be
his final YouTube live stream.

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He had 511,000 subscribers.
He had spent decades writing

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books and making videos about
Uaps, ancient civilizations, and

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the possibility that humanity
was on the edge of something

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transformative.
His final words to his audience

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included this quote.
I'm excited to be here.

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Every day that I have on earth
is a gift and a blessing, and

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I'm very grateful for that
because, frankly, people are

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disappearing.
Scientists are going missing.

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The next morning, he was gone.
Also this week, the FBI formally

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announced it is spearheading the
effort to find connections

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between more than 10 dead or
missing American scientists and

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government researchers with
classified access to nuclear and

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aerospace programs.
The House Oversight Committee

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launched its own formal
investigation and demanded

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briefings from the Pentagon.
The Energy Department, NASA, and

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the FBI by April 27th and Mars,
the planet we've been pointing

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telescopes and Rovers at for
decades, quietly handed us the

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most diverse collection of
organic molecules ever found on

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another world, including one
that is structurally similar to

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the precursors of DNA.
Also this week, the President of

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the United States signed an
executive order opening a

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federal pathway for psychedelic
drugs.

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With Joe Rogan standing behind
him in the office. 2X class

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solar flares erupted from the
same sunspot this morning, 7

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hours apart, knocking out radio
signals.

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A Harvard astronomer published a
paper arguing that the

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interstellar object moving
through our solar system is

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accelerating in ways that
gravity cannot explain, and that

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the geometry of its jets may be
the reason.

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And a man named Jay Stratton,
who ran United States government

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secret UFO program known as U
APTF or the Unidentified Aerial

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Phenomenon Task Force for 16
years, is publishing a book this

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year.
Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit

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Hole.
What's up everyone, I'm Jeremy

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Socia and you're listening to
The Internet Rabbit Hole, your

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weekly briefing on the
unexplained.

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Tonight I'm joined by my Co host
Jake and CJ, and we have got an

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episode that in a lot of ways is
the payoff for four straight

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weeks of coverage.
If you haven't been following

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since episode 270, I'd go back
and start there because what

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we're talking about tonight has
been building for a while.

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Now let's get there together.
A couple of quick announcements

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before we dive in.
First, on Saturday, May 9th,

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I'll be at Capcom Decrypted
Anomalies in Paranormal

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Convention in Fond du Lac, WI at
the Radisson Hotel and

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Conference Center.
I'll be on the UFOUAPNC E5

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discussion panel alongside the
likes of Ian de Graaff, Zach

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Screed, and Dustin Shuda with
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Use Code Rabbit Hole at check
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And 2nd, I'm incredibly excited
to announce that my book UF

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Elmwood is officially available
for pre-order and releases on

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May 4th, 2026 on Amazon.
This has been a long time coming

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and I cannot wait for you to
read it.

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Search either Jeremy Socha SOCHA
or UF Elmwood or simply just

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click the link in the
description.

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Jake, CJ, What's up, gentlemen?
What's up, brother?

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I bought a boat.
You did.

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I bought a boat and I hit up
Jeremy and I told him, hey, I

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bought a boat and he said a
fishing boat.

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And I said, yeah, fishing boat.
And I said, who's down for some

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Lake Pepin monster hunting?
He did.

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I'm just saying it would be
pretty cool if Jeremy and I got

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inside of a boat, went to Lake
Pepin and just kind of hung out

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for the day and just recorded
what we recorded to see what

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happens.
Monster of the Northern

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Mississippi.
That's right.

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Yeah, that would be us.
I mean, it's only what, it's

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only like an hour away from us.
It's an hour.

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So yeah.
Just just know if I disappear

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it's I'm not suicidal.
That's right, I'm also not

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suicidal, but I.
Could, but I could be eaten by a

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by a lake monster.
No, you know what's going to

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happen.
Jeremy's going to have to piss

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and go over to a tree, and then
next thing you know, we're going

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to see blurry photos of Bigfoot
sightings at Lake Pepin.

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That's right, be like that is
the hairiest Bigfoot ass I've

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ever seen.
It is what it is.

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No, no, I'm pretty stoked.
Yeah, we're but we're not

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recording on our usual schedule.
Didn't work out for us

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yesterday, but yeah, trying to
do it a little bit earlier.

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That's why I got light coming
through my windows and stuff.

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But so I can get out and do date
night with my wife because it's

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a Saturday.
I even shaved my chin for her.

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Just not the crazy looking
mustache.

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Geez.
Called love.

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Well, that's adorable, man.
I'm proud of you.

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I'm.
Having a Saturday myself, I I I

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drank a cup of Death Wish coffee
and promptly took a nap and woke

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up to Jake messaging Jeremy on
Facebook and then my mom

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immediately called so.
Isn't that fun?

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Interesting drinking caffeine
and then sleeping afterwards do

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crazy dreams.
I, I don't think I did any

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dreaming.
I just, I'm so caffeine addicted

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that it, it doesn't matter.
I can, I can just pass right

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out.
Like I have so much of it in my

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system.
When I die, I will show up to

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work for the next three days.
Good on you, it'll help you man

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right there.
My body, my body's just like I

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know the routine.
Yeah, I feel that.

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Well, here's my book.
Look at it, It's very good.

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It's all glossy.
Yeah, this is this is the proof

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copy.
So it's not for resale.

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What's it taste like?
Actually, the, the, the, the,

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the copy that's going to be for
sale will not be glossy.

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It'll be matte, yeah, but.
I think he answers the.

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Question.
It tastes like grape or

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something.
Right.

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That's what I thought was coming
too.

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Yeah.
Tastes like paper.

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Yeah, does it smell good?
Lame.

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Give that, give those page.
Give those pages a good whiff.

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Dude I love the smell of new
books.

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New book smells.
Scratch and sniff.

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Dude, new book smell is the best
smell to ever exist.

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It smells like grape.
You scratch it smells like an

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alien's freshly probed finger
smell like.

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Booty hole, You guys ready for
quick hits?

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Yeah.
All right, before we get into

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our main stories tonight, let's
run through quick hits, our

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rapid round of stories from the
last week that deserve your

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attention, even if we don't have
time to go deep on.

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Let's go.
Jay Stratton ran the United

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States government's Unidentified
Aerial Phenomenon Task Force for

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16 years.
He led the investigation into

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the Tic Tac encounter.
He was the man who decided to

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rebrand UFOs as Uaps.
He worked at the highest levels

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of naval intelligence and the
Defense Intelligence Agency.

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And he has publicly said on the
record, quote, I have seen with

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my own eyes, non human craft and
non human beings.

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Publishing A memoir this year
through Harper Collins.

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New coverage this week confirmed
that among the experiences

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Stratton plans to disclose is a
personal anomalous encounter he

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had at Skinwalker Ranch, the
Utah property that has been at

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the center of the US government
UAP research since the late

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1990s.
His publisher describes the book

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as revealing all that can be
lawfully disclosed.

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That phrase right there lawfully
disclosed it's doing a lot of

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work in that sentence and we
will be paying attention when

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his book drops.
Moving on, this happened this

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morning.
On the day of this recording,

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Friday, April 24th, 2026, do X
class solar flares, the most

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powerful category of solar
eruption erupted from the same

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active sunspot region within 7
hours of each other.

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The first was an X 2.4 and the
second an X 2.5.

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NASA's Solar Dynamic Observatory
confirmed both radio signals

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were disrupted across the Middle
East at the time of the

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eruptions.
Coronal mass ejections were

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produced by both events, though
early modeling suggests neither

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is aimed directly at Earth.
These are the first X class

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flares since March 30th.
The Sun is active right now, and

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the region that produced these
two eruptions is rotating toward

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Earth, facing position over the
next coming days.

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Only in the future knows what
that means for us.

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Moving on, Harvard astronomer
Avi Lope published a new paper

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this week linking 2 of the
strangest things we know about

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the interstellar Object Three I
Atlas into a single argument.

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The first strange thing the
object is moving faster than

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gravity alone can explain.
The second?

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It has three jets of material
shooting out from the surface,

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separated from each other by
exactly 120°, a precise

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geometric arrangement that Loeb
argues is statistically

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improbable as a random natural
formation.

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His paper connects these two
anomalies, suggesting The Jets

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may function like thrusters,
which would explain the

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unexplained acceleration.
NASA continues continues to

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classify 3 Eye Atlas as a
natural comet, and most of the

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scientific community agrees with
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Loeb is a minority voice, but he
is a credential peer publishing

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minority voice, and Three Eye
Atlas is now heading towards

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Jupiter, where it will make its
closest approach before leaving

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our solar system forever.
Whatever it is, we're running

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out of time to truly understand
it's true identity.

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Moving on, Physics at Emory
University in Lana published

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findings this week in the
Proceedings of National Academy

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of Science, or PNAS, describing
something that would have

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sounded like science fiction 10
years ago.

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By combining A specially
designed neural network with

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precise 3 dimensional particle
tracking inside a dusty plasma

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environment, they allowed an AI
system to analyze the data and

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identify patterns in a
particle's behavior without

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being told what to look for.
The AI I'm covering laws of

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physics that human researchers
had not previously written down,

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not approximations or known
laws, not refinements of

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existing models, New laws
identified directly from the

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observation.
The researchers described it as

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a step toward using artificial
intelligence not just to analyze

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data, but to discover the
fundamental rules that govern

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how matter behaves.
This is a different kind of tool

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than anything we have built
before.

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Moving on, two things this week.
Encrypted in high strangeness

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lanes 1st 2 overnight Workers at
an industrial plant in Tabler

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Station, Berkeley Counter,
Berkeley County, West Virginia,

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reported a Class A Bigfoot
sighting to the Bigfoot Field

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Researchers Organization at
approximately 1:30 in the

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morning while loading rail cars.
They looked toward a lit

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building in the distance and saw
a large bipedal figure moving in

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a way that stopped them both
cold.

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The report was filed by the
girlfriend of one of the

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witnesses.
The FRO Class A means a clear

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sighting where misidentification
of the subject is considered

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unlikely.
It's the highest credibility

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classification in their system.
And 2nd, if you're a Small Town

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Monsters fan like I am, and if
you're listening to this show,

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there is a reasonable chance you
are mark April 28th on your

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calendar.
That is when Seth Reedlove's new

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documentary From the Beyond High
Strangeness in the Bennington

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Triangle drops on Apple TV,
Prime Video, and Google Play.

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It covers the unsolved
disappearances on Glastonbury

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Mountain in Vermont, the Phantom
Lights, the strange creatures,

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and the question that nobody has
been able to answer.

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Why does that particular patch
of land keep swallowing people

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whole?
Rue Morgue ran an exclusive clip

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this week and it looks like
classic small town monsters.

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If you're listening to this
episode on the day it was

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published, today is the day and
go check it out.

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Jake CJ, the former government
UFO program director, saying

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he's seen non human craft and
non human beings 2X class solar

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flares this morning.
An interstellar object within

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possible geometry heading out of
our solar system, an AI

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discovering new laws of physics,
a Class A Bigfoot, and a

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Bennington Triangle documentary
on the same day.

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This episode publishes.
What are your thoughts on these

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topics I.
Think the one that surprises me

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the most is the the AI model.
Not that it surprises me, I just

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think it's cool.
I think it's interesting to to

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get something to point out stuff
that maybe we aren't seeing, so

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we have a different way of
looking at things and starting

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to explore new ideas to explain
how things work.

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I desperately was looking for
like more information on this,

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but this was this was a brand
new topic when I wrote the

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script, so there wasn't a tone
on it.

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I would expect that next week
I'll be able to have a little

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bit more.
But yeah, I agree, man.

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It's pretty pretty cool idea or
application for AII like that.

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And the other thing is the the
general saying that he's seen

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spacecraft and aliens.
Why is it OK that he says that?

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But if like you or I say that
they put us on medication.

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Well, now he he wasn't a
general.

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He's actually a civilian.
Now.

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Why'd you call the general?
Did I?

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Did I mishear you?
Yeah.

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Because you're crazy.
Yeah, I just maybe.

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I do need medication, all right.
I just control FT my script and

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looked for the word general.
Not once does it show up.

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I could have swore.
I could have swore that you

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called him a general.
Or maybe I don't know.

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I don't know.
No, my life, I'm I'm still half

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asleep.
I don't know what's going on.

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Well, maybe you should wake up.
You know I'm trying to stop

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doing that.
But anyways, hold on, if he's

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not even a government official,
then why you?

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Probably you probably thought
that because he said he worked

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at the highest levels of
National Intelligence and

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Defence Intelligence Agency.
You probably heard highest

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levels and brain clicked over to
General.

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Yeah.
That's probably right.

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That's how that makes sense.
Just.

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Just like when you forgot your
password and you couldn't sign

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into your AI.
Yeah, yeah.

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The password that I never made.
I don't have passwords for any

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AI model but but I'll.
Give the background on that once

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CJS I thought that I am.
I read none of your comments,

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the only reason I saw that one
is because Jeremy showed it to

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me anyway.
But it just seemed it just seems

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strange that like if Jake, you
or I were to come out and be

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like, I saw an alien and I've
seen alien beings, everyone be

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like you need professional
assistance, but like somebody,

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somebody else comes out and says
the same thing and everyone's

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like pointedly see, see, now we
know it's true.

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It's like, all right, that's
fine.

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It goes with the the credibility
and the positioning.

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So if I say it as just a guy who
likes motorcycles, crazy

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mustaches, fishing boats and
freaking, you know, things like

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that, they're going to be like,
you're an insane person.

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But a guy who's running the
Naval Intelligence and Defense

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Intelligence Agency, there's a
little bit more weight.

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But I do like how he said he's
did it for what, 16 years or 18

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years.
So that means that, yes, 16

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years.
So that means that prior to the

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disclosure time frame where
we've been at, say for the last

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six years or more, prior to
that, when the government told

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you that you're full of crap and
then you didn't know what you're

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talking about when you saw a
UFO, just know that they thought

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that it was a legit enough thing
to be funneling tax dollars into

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it.
So keep that in mind the next

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time you think that the
government wouldn't lie to your

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face.
Hell yeah.

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Good point, Good point.
You know, I'm not.

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I'm very far from a bootlicker
and I definitely go for a small

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government and less taxes
because, you know, I don't trust

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anybody.
Listen, that's for the

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government, Jay.
When this book comes out from

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Jay Stratton, I'm going to be
all over it.

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Or the day it comes out, I'm
going to read it.

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Because I followed him quite a
bit.

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He was the first time I ever ran
into Jay Stratton.

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I actually ran into a pseudonym
of his that was used by the

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authors James Lakatsky, Colm
Kelleher, and George Knapp in

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the book Skinwalkers at the
Pentagon.

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Now this is the sequel book, if
you will not, it's not a direct

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sequel, but to the the book Hunt
for the Skinwalker, which is

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this one right here.
OK, this is the the book for

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Skinwalker Ranch, right?
You need a book that's going to

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teach you anything and
everything about Skywalker

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Ranch.
It's that book, and Colm

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Kelleher and George Knapp did
this book together a long time

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ago.
I think I got this book back in

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2008 or 2009.
And then they came out with

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this, the skinwalkers at the
Pentagon.

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And Jay Stratton was actually,
you're going to love the

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pseudonym Ready.
He was referred to as Jonathan.

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Jonathan Axelrod got to love it.
And the stories of that took

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place regarding Jonathan Axelrod
in Skinwalkers at the Pentagon

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are fucking crazy.
It's wild.

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Like the specific blurb that I
put into the script about his

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encounter as Skinwalker Ranch is
nuts.

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And then on top of that, there's
also a, a strong case for the

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hitchhiker effect if you guys
aren't familiar with that,

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people who show up or do
anything on Skinwalker Ranch

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have things follow them home no
matter how far they are.

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And, and Jay Stratton, I believe
was in Maryland at the time.

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He was living in Maryland while
working in DC for the UAPTF and

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which eventually became Allsap
and then ATE which gave birth to

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a tip which is now Allsap is
Arrow right?

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The All Domain anomalies
resolution office.

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He went out to Skinwalker Ranch.
Something happened out there to

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him and when he came back to
Maryland, not only was it him,

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but also his family members, his
wife and kids were having issues

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with this as well.
Something followed him home and

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this is a well documented issue
with people who visit Skinwalker

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Ranch and do research there.
So he was first talked about in

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Skinwalker's at the Pentagon and
then he made another appearance

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in a in a book that took
basically the UFO community by

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storm last year and that is Lou
Elizondo's eminent.

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Now, he was actually referred to
as Jay Stratton in this book.

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And it wasn't until I read this
book and I was like, there's a

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lot of really similar incidents
in here compared to this one.

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Did some research, found out
they're the same person.

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So when you if you have read
these two books, Jonathan

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Axelrod and Jay Stratton, his
real name are actually the same

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person.
So I don't know how many people

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have connected the dots on that,
but they are the same person.

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You can you can now look it up.
It's been confirmed that

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Jonathan Axelrod was a pseudonym
used for Jay Stratton, and from

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what I understand, the stories
that are in Imminent and

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Skinwalkers at the Pentagon is a
precursor to the real stuff that

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Jay Stratton actually has to
unveil.

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And it's going to be wild.
I can't wait.

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I'm.
Going to need you to change your

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book and change my name to a
pseudonym for Bob Wienerschlong.

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I got you in the next one.
Bob.

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In parentheses.
Dick Wienerschlong.

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You know, OK.
I don't buy the whole everything

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with a skinwalker ranch.
I'm pretty sure that like, none

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of that is anything that they
actually report and that it's

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just tulpa stuff.
I actually disagree.

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I'll, I'll, we could talk about
it a little bit after the

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episode.
Yeah, there's, yeah, there's

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some stuff that.
Just skinwalker ranch boy but.

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I think, I think maybe something
happened there or maybe like two

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or three things happen, but like
just the mass grouping and

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everything and the variety of
things that happen in the exact

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same area.
I'm pretty sure it's just tulpa

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stuff, but.
I think we've had this

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conversation before.
I don't think you've always,

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you've always been critical of,
of Skinwalker Ranch.

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Oh, yeah, no, no.
Yeah, I'll tell you, man.

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I've never given Skinwalker
Ranch any kind of credibility

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just because of how touristy it
is.

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You need to read a book.
What is the name of that book?

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It's called The Utah UFO Display
by Frank Salisbury.

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Or read a synopsis of it.
Everything that takes place in

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that book happens before the
phenomenon of Skinwalker Ranch,

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and it's it's from the UN to
Basin.

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I wanna if it's on audiobook,
maybe I'll listen to it, because

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I listen to audiobooks while I'm
driving the truck and sleeping

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isn't an option.
Yeah.

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Here it is, the Utah UFO Display
by Frank Salisbury, PhD.

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By the way, can I get that
audiobook?

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I don't know, but it's a, it's
a, it's a really, really

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interesting book.
And although this is a rewrite

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of it, right?
So this is republished, The

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original version of this book
came out in 1974.

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So in 1974, all the stuff that
you hear coming from Skinwalker

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Ranch in the surrounding areas,
this book highlights all of that

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stuff already happening in the
area.

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You said it's called Utah UFO
Experiment.

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The Utah UFO Display.
Very, very good book.

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No, unfortunately it doesn't
look like I can get it.

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I can get one called UFOs over
Utah I.

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Don't know what that is.
But it's a podcast.

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Oops, nevermind.
Don't do that.

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No, yeah, no, it doesn't look
like that audio book is

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available.
Unfortunate.

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I don't doubt it.
I mean, it's a highly research

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heavy book, so.
You'd be surprised what you can

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get on.
Well, you have to have a really

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big name.
And Salisbury is a big name,

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right?
But he's not John Keel.

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Like, you could find John Keel's
stuff on audiobook.

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You could probably find man, I
don't know who else you'd be

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able to find on audiobook.
Well, I have like 3 or 4

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different places to look for
audiobooks because some places

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have stuff other places don't.
Some places are free just to put

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it with ads or whatever.
And they all like have like the

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1 is really, really good for
obscure stuff.

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So I might have to just check
that one, yeah.

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I mean, check it out the the
book is great and if you have

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any questions about Skinwalker
Ranch and its legitimacy, this

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book does a good job because it
mentions the general area that

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Skin Walker Ranch is in, but
never once mentions Skin Walker

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Ranch because it's too early,
right?

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Skin Walker Ranch wasn't Skin
Walker Ranch didn't have that

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name.
The everything that happened on

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that property didn't happen
until after this book came out.

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Yeah, you know, I know.
I understand that.

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Like, I've actually done pretty
heavy research into Skinwalker

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Ranch over the years, especially
when I first heard about it, and

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I'm pretty sure it's just tulpa
stuff.

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And then like, it's sort of like
an effect, right?

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Like for an example we had in
our area, one person reported

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that they saw an eastern
Mountain Lion.

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For those of you who don't know,
the eastern Mountain Lion is

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extinct.
It doesn't exist.

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They claimed it was.
And then there was this office

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who followed up on that sort of
like an office building of

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people who one person heard that
story and claimed they started

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to see.
And all of a sudden all of those

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office workers in there started
seeing it.

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And when they came out to
investigate, it was just a

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really fat house cat that was
living in the field behind the

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building.
Hell yeah man.

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Sweet, a fat house cat.
It was just a big fat house cat.

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Like, so like that's what I'm
saying.

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Like I, I maybe somebody saw
something that I'm not saying

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that nothing ever happened
there.

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What I am saying is I don't buy
that the volume of things and

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the diversity of things happened
there.

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You know, I just feel like
that's one of those things where

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like everybody wants to be part
of the story in some capacity.

453
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,520
So that's what they do, you know
what I mean?

454
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,840
I'm, I'm telling you man, I'm
I'm quick to say OK, this is

455
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,280
this sounds sketchy, this sounds
weird, but with the amount of

456
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,280
research that I myself have done
into the Skinwalker ranch, I can

457
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,200
tell you there is something
going on there.

458
00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:25,480
Could it be tulpa?
Could be, but I highly doubt it.

459
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,200
But.
You know how tulpas are made

460
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,960
though right?
OK, well OK for Jake's sake.

461
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:36,240
How tulpas are lore wise made?
So magic smoke.

462
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,040
No, it's a thought.
Experiment.

463
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:44,480
That's topomancy.
Topomancy is just human beings

464
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:49,160
giving themselves psychological
conditions intentionally.

465
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,720
It's like a form of
schizophrenia.

466
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,640
And nobody wants to admit that's
it's really not great.

467
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,840
But they, yeah, they just didn't
do some mental disorder.

468
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,640
But like a tulpa, if you have
enough people that have a strong

469
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:08,480
enough emotion about a thing, it
can manifest based on that

470
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,760
energy.
Very, very, it's a very, very

471
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,640
vague and broad explanation.
Tibetan monks do it a lot.

472
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,240
Suppose there's a huge practice
out there where they do them and

473
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:27,120
it's, it's a very diverse thing.
But the idea is if you have

474
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:29,600
enough people that believe in
the same thing or have a strong

475
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,000
enough emotion about the same
thing, then it can manifest.

476
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,400
But but it's not a physical
thing, right?

477
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,360
Like, so anyways, that's what I
think.

478
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:43,440
I think I think somebody saw
something up there, the story

479
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,840
spread, maybe, maybe a couple
other people saw something

480
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,560
similar.
But the diversity of, you know,

481
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:53,400
paranormal and otherwise that
goes on there doesn't line up

482
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:59,000
with most other paranormal and
supernatural sites, right?

483
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:05,520
Usually like you get a thing in
a spot not not the not the San

484
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,880
Francisco Zoo's worth of things
in one spot that doesn't

485
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,200
normally.
I, I think that's some of the

486
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,920
best evidence that it has for
it.

487
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,800
I mean, Mount Shasta's the same
way.

488
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,480
Dulce, NM, Although it's most
famous for a secret underground

489
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,160
military base, it also has a lot
of the same stuff.

490
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,040
And then you go to Stardust
Ranch, Bradshaw Ranch, The

491
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,480
Meadows.
Skin Walker Ranch that the the

492
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,560
land mass only encompasses a few
square miles, right like it's

493
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,480
not like a mass, it's a. 170
acres from AI think.

494
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,520
Well, how how many miles is it?
Like I said, it's only a few

495
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,880
square miles.
It's not like it's a big piece

496
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,520
of land, but it's not like an
entire mountain.

497
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,960
It's not it's not a whole city.
It's not a whole state.

498
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:48,920
You know what I mean?
It it's.

499
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,360
Oh, it's 4700 acres.
That's a lot.

500
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,440
Well, how many miles is how many
square miles?

501
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,760
Square miles is in terms of
square.

502
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:03,640
See that's, that's a very small
area to have a density.

503
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,240
What what are they having like
Cryptid Woodstock, like what's

504
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,400
going on over there?
Like it?

505
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,360
That doesn't make sense.
So I think, OK, we're not going

506
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,480
to, we're not going to burn this
entire episode.

507
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,960
I was going to walk a ranch.
I could I?

508
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,200
I could too.
Trust me.

509
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,400
It's you.
You have to know the background

510
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,760
to it and it all stems from the
Navajo and Ute tribes.

511
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,520
And that's where I'm saying it
could potentially be something

512
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,920
along the lines of a tulpa
because they had those strong

513
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,000
lore about the skinwalkers or as
they called them, the Yi Nalushi

514
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,920
in the area.
And this was an area that was

515
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,080
basically the line between 2
tribes.

516
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,840
And those areas were also known
for their sensitivity to avail,

517
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,800
if you will, right the, the,
the, the membrane between

518
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,200
worlds, right layers of or
planes of existence.

519
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:10,600
That's all I can really say is
it if if you believe in in

520
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,680
tulpas, right?
And how these two warring tribes

521
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:19,000
had this belief of the Navajo
and their skinwalker or the Yi

522
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:24,920
Na Lushi, but they also had a
strong belief system in planes

523
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,080
of existence.
And this area right here really

524
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,440
opens up the idea of different
planes of existence.

525
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,800
And if it you could take all of
the weird stuff that happens

526
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,960
there and you can answer every
single one of them by saying

527
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,920
that this is this is a, an area
where two planes of existence

528
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,480
overlap.
And just like John Keel's window

529
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,840
areas, right?
This is a perfect example of

530
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,760
that, where these existences
bump together and create a

531
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,920
window.
You have literal portals that

532
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,520
get mentioned by multiple
people.

533
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:05,520
And if you're if, if, you cannot
say that the other world, the

534
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,640
other plane of existence doesn't
have all the stuff that we see.

535
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,920
We see it as weird, but it may
be perfectly normal there, but

536
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,480
it's bleeding into our world at
that location.

537
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,640
I mean, there's a lot of
explanations here and I'm, I'm

538
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,400
being very vague on this because
I don't want to get too deep

539
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,280
into it.
We're already 35 minutes into

540
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,880
this recording and we we're not
even in briefing 1 yet so.

541
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,960
I'm pretty convinced by Cat's a
skinwalker.

542
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,520
I'll ask her and get back to you
there.

543
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,120
You.
There you go.

544
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,320
It'll do.
All right, Jake.

545
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:33,880
You bored?
Yes.

546
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,800
What's up with this three eye
Atlas thing?

547
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:36,680
What about it?
Comic.

548
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,360
Jets coming off of it.
Yeah, So it's got three tails,

549
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,480
right.
That's that's basically the the

550
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,120
gist of it is that it has three
tails and they're both are the

551
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,720
all three of them are exactly
spaced out 120° away from each

552
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,480
other.
Yeah, it is.

553
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,760
It's very weird there.
There was a lot of weird things

554
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,160
about Three Eye Atlas that we
saw the composition of it the

555
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:07,000
the the fact that it had an anti
tail when it was near the sun

556
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,520
when it was at its paraphilion.
Anti tail meaning that the tail

557
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,360
was facing towards the sun,
unlike other astral bodies that

558
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,800
we see or have recognized where
the the tail faces away from the

559
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,440
sun.
Very, very, very strange things.

560
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,000
It also came in perfectly on the
elliptical plane or the elliptic

561
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:34,640
plane, which is the plane that
all of the solar system bodies

562
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:39,480
on every planet sits on.
So if you have the, the, the sun

563
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,880
at the middle, every single
planet, including the asteroid

564
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:49,360
belt, the orc cloud and
everything, they all are on a

565
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:54,480
flat plain and they're all on
the same degree around the, the,

566
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,440
the, the center hemisphere of,
of the sun.

567
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,760
And it came in perfectly on that
same exact plane.

568
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,440
The likely the likelihood of
that is damn near impossible.

569
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,280
And it's making such a close
pass to Jupiter, our largest non

570
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,920
solar body, non star.
It's making such a close pass

571
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,400
that it's going to drastically
change its direction due to

572
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,920
gravitational pull.
This sounds like it really does

573
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,480
sound like it was something that
was created by intelligent

574
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,760
design.
Amen perfectly on on the

575
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:40,800
elliptic are came within the
perfect amount of of space to

576
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,840
our largest body in a Terry body
and used it to slingshot it in

577
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:51,440
the direction it wants to go.
I it's crazy.

578
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:56,120
And then not to mention it
passed by the, the backside of

579
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,720
the sun, it's paraphilion, the,
the closest it gets to the sun

580
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,040
was when the Earth was perfectly
on the other side of it.

581
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,520
So if it knew that there was an
intelligent species here in this

582
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,520
solar system, the best way it
could, the best thing it could

583
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,440
do to block its existence is to
get on the other side of this,

584
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,639
of of the star at the middle of
the system.

585
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,440
I mean, I had to find some
images of it just now, but I

586
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,040
couldn't find anything outside
of artist renditions.

587
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,600
So shocking it's it's a huge
huge huge issue is because when

588
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,120
they said that they were going
to release all the images of

589
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,360
three eye Atlas right and there
are some images out there, but

590
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,360
they're not very good they're.
Blurrier and Bigfoot photos,

591
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:35,880
that's what I.
Yeah, it's, that's, that's what

592
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,679
I'm saying.
But the fact is, is that our

593
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:46,159
government went on it was they
were they were locked out right.

594
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:49,520
We had the government shutdown
right when this happened right

595
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,159
when when it was going getting
closest to Mars, when we were

596
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:56,360
using satellites that we put on
Mars for imagery.

597
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,920
We turn them towards this three
I Atlas and they put out this

598
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,720
bogus excuse about how oh, we're
not going to release it because

599
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,840
the government shutdown.
The fun fact about that is that

600
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,480
these cameras on these
satellites that we put around

601
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,720
Mars are owned by the University
of Arizona.

602
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,040
They're not even owned by NASA.
Yeah, there's a lot of really,

603
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,680
really weird shit about this.
And see.

604
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,680
That's the part that I find
interesting, because if it's

605
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,640
just a comet, why wouldn't you
let us look at it?

606
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:29,200
That doesn't make any sense.
Like, oh, hey, we have this.

607
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,920
Really cool body moving through
outer space.

608
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,560
Have a peek because you're not
going to get to see this again

609
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,360
ever and no one else will to.
To try to hide the photos is

610
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,200
interesting.
I think Avi Loeb has a really

611
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,840
good point on this that I mean,
is it extraterrestrial?

612
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,480
Probably not, right?
But if anything is this is a

613
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,280
pretty good example of what it
would look like.

614
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,000
Like this is exactly what it
would look like.

615
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,800
This looks like it's under
intelligent control.

616
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:06,400
It came in under intelligent
plans and it's exiting

617
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:12,280
intelligently and mechanically.
And the from all the sensors

618
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,840
that we know where we combine
different colors that we see on

619
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,560
different planets and we can put
together what the atmosphere is

620
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,520
alike just by looking at
different shades of blue or red

621
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,600
or whatever.
Everything that we know about

622
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,720
how colors equal certain
elements tells us that the

623
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,960
exhaust that is coming off of
this is nothing but burned

624
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:39,040
carbon, like the same shit that
we would we would burn if we if

625
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,000
we have it's like it's, it's,
it's exhaust.

626
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:47,000
It's not even, it's not ice
crystals like a typical it's

627
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,200
astral body, right?
It's not particles of rock like

628
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:59,320
it's expelled carbon.
So if we entertain, and I mean I

629
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,120
fully believe in
extraterrestrial life, right, by

630
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,520
the way, we'll, we'll entertain
just for argument's sake that

631
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,200
extraterrestrial life exists.
And they may maybe they sent out

632
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,840
because we've sent probes out of
our solar system.

633
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,360
Yes, we have.
So let's entertain the fact that

634
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,280
maybe somebody else could have
done the same.

635
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,440
This isn't a question I've ever
even wondered about until now.

636
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,880
So I've never I've never looked
it up or seen articles or

637
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,560
anything.
But if you had say, say that

638
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,760
thing was like running on like
cold fusion, right?

639
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,520
Which would that would be the
only way I could really explain

640
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,160
that amount of fuel being burned
off, right, without ever running

641
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,120
out.
But it's say it's moving through

642
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,880
the Galaxy.
It's like a scientific probe for

643
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,000
another civilization.
It's just gathering data about

644
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,160
other solar systems.
What are the chances of like

645
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,880
space crud building up on it,
making it look like a big rock,

646
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,040
right?
Like cuz like if we put

647
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,840
something in the water right, it
gets like sediment and shit on

648
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,640
it.
Like can can can that happen to

649
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,080
things in outer space like as
it's passing through like space

650
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,760
dust space maybe on asteroid
bumps off of it and leaves

651
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,280
leaves a deposit behind it.
Like overtime it just builds up,

652
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,120
builds up builds up.
Now it looks like a big rock

653
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,680
with.
Thrusters, maybe, but I think

654
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,560
you can even look at the simpler
and just say, hey, if you wanted

655
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,680
to send something undetected
through another star system,

656
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,440
what would you make it look
like, right?

657
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,480
Would you make it look like it
was manufactured by an

658
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,600
intelligent being?
Or would you make it just look

659
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,800
like space debris?
You're not wrong, but like to

660
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,720
launch that off the surface of
your planet.

661
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,080
If it had a rough surface like
that, I don't think it would

662
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,840
make it through the atmosphere,
wouldn't they?

663
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,560
They could burn it up.
They could have also just

664
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:36,720
fucking, you know, hijacked an
actual astral body, comet,

665
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,680
asteroid, whatever, and just
retrofitted it to be a

666
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,360
spacecraft.
They could have done everything

667
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,080
in space.
It's just because roid model

668
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,240
rocket just for the fun, I'm
just.

669
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:49,920
Throwing it out there, right, I
mean really if they have the

670
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,920
technology to be able to do
that, it was.

671
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,760
An asteroid that was going to
hit their planet.

672
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,880
And what's that movie with Bruce
Willis?

673
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,720
They went up there and they
attached thrusters to an

674
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:01,880
asteroid that's going to hit
their play.

675
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,800
Just sent it somewhere else.
That's someone else's pronounce.

676
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,440
That's right, with a nuke in the
middle of it.

677
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,400
And Bruce?
You know what you know.

678
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,400
What?
If that's what they found out, I

679
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,600
would buy that explanation.
Some alien civilization was

680
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,880
about to get blasted by this
massive meteor asteroid

681
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,840
situation.
They went up there, attached

682
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,120
thrusters to it and were like
bye and just sent it on its way

683
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,120
and now it's just hurtling
through galaxies.

684
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,080
All right, we ready for briefing
one.

685
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,800
Jake, did I answer your
question?

686
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:32,800
Yeah.
Thank you.

687
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,360
Yeah.
All right, let's get into our

688
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,680
first briefing.
Now that we're 45 months since

689
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:41,920
this recording, three separate
lines of Martian evidence landed

690
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,200
in the same 10 day window.
And I want to put them together

691
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,000
because in isolation each one is
interesting, but together they

692
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,760
paint a picture of that's hard
to ignore.

693
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:56,080
The first Curiosity used the
first wet chemistry experiment,

694
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,520
excuse me, ever performed on
another planet to analyze a

695
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,840
piece of 3.5 billion year old
clay sandstone in a location

696
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,000
known as Gale Crater.
The results, which were

697
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,800
published in Nature
Communications, revealed more

698
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,360
than 20 organic molecules, which
is the most diverse collection

699
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,680
ever found on Mars, and seven of
them were never previously

700
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,880
detected on Mars.
Among them was a nitrogen

701
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,280
bearing molecule structurally
similar to DNA precursors and

702
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:32,240
benzothiophine found in
meteorites, thought to have

703
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:37,320
helped seed prebiotic chemistry
across the early solar system.

704
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,840
The lead scientists said they
think they're looking at organic

705
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,000
matter preserved for 3 1/2
billion years.

706
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,960
The honest caveat is that the
experiment cannot tell us

707
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,760
whether these molecules came
from ancient life, geology or

708
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,760
meteorites.
What it confirms is that Mars

709
00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:00,000
had the chemistry preserved it,
and that we now have the tools

710
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,720
to find it.
The second, a separate study in

711
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:06,000
the Journal of Geophysical
Research, found the highest

712
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,440
concentrations of iron,
manganese and zinc ever measured

713
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,320
together in the same location of
Gale Crater, preserved in what

714
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,320
was once a shallow lake bed.
On Earth, those specific metal

715
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,720
deposits form an environment
almost always inhabited by

716
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:25,400
microbes, meaning this was most
likely a lake that dried up

717
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,080
billions of years ago and left
behind in its minerals the

718
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,640
signature of conditions for life
thrives.

719
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,720
The third has been building.
Since last summer, Curiosity has

720
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:39,440
been navigating a region of the
location known as Mount Sharp,

721
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,680
which is covered in enormous
spider web like formations

722
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,040
called Box work in
interconnected rocky ridges 3 to

723
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,800
6 feet tall that stretches over
12 miles across.

724
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,360
In February, close up images
revealed something nobody

725
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,360
expected, tiny egg like nodules
covering the ridges that had

726
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,600
never been documented before,
the lead planetary scientist

727
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:05,160
said on the record quote.
We can't quite explain yet why

728
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,440
the nodules appear where they
do.

729
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,360
Those nodules closely resemble
structure Perseverance found in

730
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,520
the 0 crater, whose origin is
also unexplained.

731
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:19,360
The science and technology news
website Futurism ran the

732
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:24,080
headline that NASA was running
out of non life explanations.

733
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,600
Jake CJ3 independent lines of
Martian evidence in the same

734
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,200
week all pointing at the same
question.

735
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,880
What do you take from all of
this Mars news?

736
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:37,200
I know Mars isn't really a tough
really popular topic with U2 so.

737
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,040
Space aids.
Yeah, full blown space aids

738
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,240
being launched under Mars's
surface, basically.

739
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,600
That's about what I.
Expectedly box work is cool.

740
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,320
I just looked up an image of it,
apparently I mean happens here

741
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,560
in caves and stuff.
Share Share with us Share with

742
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,680
the class Jacob.
Fine all the.

743
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,840
Watchers on YouTube want to see
that box work.

744
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,320
Show me your box work bud.
Show us your box, Jake.

745
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,920
Hey, I'm married.
Oh, it's funny.

746
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,640
So I was over at A at the
Ellsworth Creamery yesterday

747
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,800
getting some, some queso and
some chips and some guy, some

748
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,080
older guy comes out and he's
like, he's like, tell me.

749
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,240
He looks on my truck.
He's like, tell me about your

750
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:21,160
infinite hole.
And he kind of looks at me.

751
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,040
And I said, Sir, I would, but
I'm married and I don't think my

752
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,440
wife would like that too much.
And he just starts laughing and

753
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,800
he's like, that's a good one.
No, Sir.

754
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,760
It's called the Infinite Rabbit
Hole podcast.

755
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,520
And I had a little chat with him
and stuff.

756
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,720
And yeah, he he kind of agrees
with all of us.

757
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:43,360
He says that he believes that
that with as infinite as the

758
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,880
universe is, that there's no way
in his mind that God would only

759
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:51,240
create life on this planet and
instead and not other planets as

760
00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:52,880
well.
I was like, that's a thought for

761
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:54,760
sure.
I was like, you're wrong.

762
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,040
But yeah, no, it was
interesting.

763
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:02,120
But yeah, so this is boxwork.
Apparently it's found inside of

764
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,400
caves.
It is interesting.

765
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,800
And that's what that's the same
shit they found on Mars then.

766
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,320
Boxwork is a honeycomb like
structure that forms in

767
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,880
fractured or jointed rocks,
often with calcite blades.

768
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,040
Pretty nito potito man, let me
tell you.

769
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,840
Nito potito burrito.
Something I've always found

770
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,360
interesting about the whole Mars
thing is that there's like this

771
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:30,680
idea that maybe we populated
Mars first and then came here.

772
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,560
Now we got to go back.
Right, the original humans

773
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,240
royally fucked up Mars and
that's why it looks the way it

774
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:40,000
does now.
And then we just lost all of

775
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,600
that while we were here and
started over.

776
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,000
That was an interesting theory.
There's a lot of theories on

777
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,520
Mars, man a lot.
I think the most wild 1.

778
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,080
I don't, I think I just said
this last episode or the episode

779
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:58,280
before, but the the the idea
that humans actually come from

780
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,160
Mars and we fucked it up just
like you said.

781
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,600
Yeah.
And we were like, eh, look,

782
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,960
there's Earth over there with
all these reptiles on it.

783
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,080
Let's go kill them and take
their planet.

784
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,680
What they taste like.
They taste like.

785
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,560
The meteor that killed the
dinosaurs was the pods landing

786
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:21,680
bodies of water, killing it.
Was it was Martian humans nuking

787
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,920
planet Earth to get rid of the
pesty dinosaurs?

788
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,640
That's right.
Like it's it's either this way

789
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,040
or dirty probe fingers which one
you want.

790
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,000
You know what if you if you were
you, you want to go ahead and

791
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,720
probe AT Rex?
More power to you.

792
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,000
You know, that's a brave, brave
human.

793
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,080
I mean, you were just probing
your pet lizard.

794
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,160
What's the difference?
I.

795
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,640
Was not probing him first of.
All I've seen it first.

796
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,080
Of all, you were first.
About cloaca.

797
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,840
He was being very good to me.
He bites.

798
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,120
That animal is not.
Nice.

799
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,360
Like, let's get to have like, he
bites.

800
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,680
He's a mean son of a bitch.
I'm actually surprised.

801
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:10,080
Yeah, he's he's not.
He's not cool most of the time.

802
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,280
He actually tried to bite me
when I was when I was getting

803
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,760
him out of the cage.
So I'm trying to make him

804
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,200
friendly.
It's not going well.

805
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:17,520
It's been like a year and a
half.

806
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,600
Don't say like he's a lizard
with no feelings or emotions.

807
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,120
Lizards have feelings and
emotions.

808
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,840
So anyway, they do anyway, but
not like it's just, it's just

809
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,400
very strange.
The thing that I'm worried about

810
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,160
is like, say we go back and we
get in at we like we managed to

811
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:33,520
artificially create an
atmosphere.

812
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,640
We go back to Mars or whatever.
I can barely handle winter here.

813
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,240
Winter there is going to suck
way worse.

814
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,920
Yeah, there's.
Well, you won't go to Mars, and

815
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,520
I won't go to Mars.
Neither will Jeremy.

816
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:52,440
They'd be like, no.
All right.

817
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:54,800
You guys ready for briefing?
You better go do some pushes and

818
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,720
jumping jacks if you want to go.
Let's let's let's, let's make

819
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:01,240
some time.
Here, let's bring us to eat us.

820
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,720
All right, we're doing it Second
briefing tonight, and I want to

821
00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:08,800
bring this one to IRH with a
frame that I think is different

822
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,640
from what you've heard
elsewhere.

823
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,480
On April 18th, President Trump
signed an executive order in the

824
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,920
Oval Office directing the FDA to
fast track its review

825
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:23,320
psychedelic compounds already
designated as breakthrough

826
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,040
therapies, primarily focusing on
the psychoactive compounds

827
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:32,760
ibogaine and psilocybin.
The order commits at least $50

828
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,320
million through the Advanced
Research Projects Agency for

829
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,360
Health to match state level
investments in psychedelic

830
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,920
research.
It creates A pathway for

831
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:47,080
ibogaine to be administered to
desperately ill patients under

832
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:51,960
the Right to Try law, and it
directs the FDA to issue

833
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,560
national priority vouchers to
specific psychedelic drugs,

834
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,880
potentially accelerating their
path to approval for years are

835
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:05,240
from years to weeks.
Joe Rogan was at the signing, so

836
00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:10,040
we're RFK, Dr. Oz and former
Texas Governor Rick Perry.

837
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,240
Trump joked.
Quote, can I have some please?

838
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,520
The room laughed.
Then they signed the order.

839
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:21,920
The primary focus is veterans
and has seen incredible support

840
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,160
from the likes of some heavy
hitters such as ex Navy SEAL

841
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,720
Sean Ryan.
Since September 11th, the US has

842
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:34,080
lost more than 21 times as many
veteran lives to suicide as it

843
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:38,200
has on the battlefield.
More than 6000 veterans take

844
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,680
their own lives every year, a
topic that Jake and I personally

845
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,800
and quite literally witnessed in
many cases during our own time

846
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,120
in the Navy together.
Veterans who have traveled to

847
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:54,960
Mexico for ibogaine treatment
because it's legal there report

848
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,320
transformative results.
A 2024 Stanford study of 30

849
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,480
special operations veterans with
traumatic brain injuries found

850
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,360
significant improvement in PTSD,
depression, and anxiety after a

851
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,480
single ibogame session.
This executive order is at its

852
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,440
core of response to that
reality.

853
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,320
But here's why I think this
story belongs on IRH.

854
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,960
The communities that have been
talking about psychedelics for

855
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,600
the longest time are not
pharmaceutical companies.

856
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:28,080
They're the same communities to
talk about UPS, consciousness

857
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,240
and contact experiences, as well
as the nature of human

858
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:35,440
perception.
The substances now being fast

859
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,640
tracked by the federal
government are the same ones

860
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,480
that indigenous cultures have
used for centuries in ceremonial

861
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,760
context to make contact with
what they describe as other

862
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,200
intelligences.
Researchers studying near death

863
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,640
experiences, researchers
studying an anomalous cognition,

864
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:55,360
researchers studying UAP contact
phenomenon, all of them have

865
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,520
noted that psychedelic
experience produces descriptions

866
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,920
remarkably similar to what
experiencers describing

867
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,040
encounters with non human
intelligence.

868
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:08,680
That may mean nothing or it may
mean that these substances are

869
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,840
opening a door that the UAP
community has been standing in

870
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,840
front of for a long time.
The federal government just

871
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,800
decided the door is now worth
opening.

872
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:23,000
So Jake CJ, the feds opening a
federal pathway for psychedelics

873
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,440
veterans at the center of it,
and the IRH angle being the

874
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,920
overlap between these substances
and the contact and

875
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,480
consciousness research that's
been adjacent to the UAP world

876
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,240
for decades.
What are your thoughts?

877
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,440
I have a lot, so you can go
first, Jake.

878
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,920
I also have a lot, so you can go
first, CJ.

879
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,560
For one, I definitely think it's
something that should be

880
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,200
explored.
I myself suffer chronic

881
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,800
depression and anxiety
disorders, and I've had an

882
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,720
interest in attempting
psilocybin treatments to try to

883
00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:57,840
deal with it.
Now people are going to here

884
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,360
this like as like a way a reason
to not do it.

885
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,560
But recently I adjusted my diet
to include a healthier range of

886
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,120
foods and omega-3 fatty acids
and I'm on a vitamin regimen and

887
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,920
I have not had a depressive
order in several a depressive.

888
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:18,120
Was that like spell or whatever
in several months Now, you know,

889
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,840
but let's not take that as
doctrine because that's not

890
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,280
going to work for everybody.
That just happens to be working

891
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,680
for me, right?
I will say that there's like

892
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:33,280
ideas that psychedelics will let
you contact God and other other

893
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:38,920
intelligences.
I think it's possible that they

894
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,440
distort your perception of
reality enough that it may open

895
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:47,680
you up to spiritual experiences
and make you open to the idea of

896
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,360
them.
I don't necessarily believe

897
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:56,880
though, that people are able to
have spiritual experiences just

898
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:01,520
because they've used
psychedelics or they've made non

899
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:02,960
human.
I mean, if we want to be very

900
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,920
literal, I made non human
contact with a tree using a

901
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,720
psychedelic substance back in
college.

902
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,840
Does that mean it was real?
No, there's absolutely no chance

903
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,640
that this tree was legitimately
talking to me, and it said mean

904
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,920
things about my mother at the
time, so definitely.

905
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,360
It was real.
Yeah, maybe, maybe like my.

906
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,840
My point is, though, is like, I
don't, I don't, I don't think

907
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,400
trying to tell people like
trying to justify legality based

908
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,360
on Hey, you might be able to
talk to God or aliens if you

909
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,960
drop shrooms or drop acid or
something like it doesn't it

910
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,000
doesn't feel like a good
argument.

911
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,360
Now I would say like if you're
trying to treat something like

912
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,840
depression, anxiety, OK, that's
a fantastic argument.

913
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,560
Like, hey, we think that this
might help with a very serious

914
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,760
condition that is literally
killing thousands of people

915
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,080
every year.
Great, Let's let's go with that.

916
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:55,160
But I I don't think hey I want
to talk to God so this should be

917
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,000
legal.
Bro you can talk to God anytime

918
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,000
you want.
Read 90% of the religious texts

919
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,960
out there.
Almost all of them have the same

920
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,120
perception of God.
You just talk to him if you want

921
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,560
to or the gods in general
whatever you subscribe to.

922
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,840
Right?
Like you don't need a substance

923
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,320
to do that.
My turn.

924
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:16,920
So I listen to the Shawn Ryan
Show podcast.

925
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,280
I think Jeremy does as well.
I've listened to him in a little

926
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,000
bit.
It's some sometimes it's hard to

927
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,200
keep track on a, on an episode
that's 8 hours long.

928
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:30,800
But he's very open about his
ibogaine experience in Mexico.

929
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,160
He says that basically what
happened was he experienced an

930
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:38,160
ego death and then he had kind
of like a, he calls it a review

931
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,280
of his life where it was like TV
screens were passing by him and

932
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,760
he was just watching clips of
his life and stuff like that.

933
00:53:45,240 --> 00:53:49,640
And somehow through that
experience he has gone 2 years

934
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:54,640
completely sober from alcohol.
He was drinking himself to

935
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,840
death.
I, I don't want to put words in

936
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,760
his mouth, but I believe I heard
something like 1/5 of vodka a

937
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,360
night or more maybe maybe half a
gallon a night.

938
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,920
Very very heavy drinker did not
wean himself off cold Turkey,

939
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:15,280
did after his ibogaine
experience did not no longer

940
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,240
wanted to commit suicide.
All the self harm ideations went

941
00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:21,440
away, depression, anxiety went
away.

942
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,320
Talks about a friend of his who
also had an ibogaine experience

943
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:33,680
that recovered from chronic
headaches and had to use a cane

944
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:39,000
due to a an IED incident where
it left shrapnel permanently in

945
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:44,560
his body.
And the I believe the traumatic

946
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:49,160
brain injury that occurred from
that caused headaches so bad

947
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,120
that he sometimes couldn't go to
work.

948
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,040
He couldn't leave his house, had
to wear sunglasses everywhere.

949
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,440
And he left his cane and his
sunglasses at the facility when

950
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,400
he left after his one IB gain
treatment.

951
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,160
Now I don't, I've never taken
psychedelics.

952
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:09,640
I probably wouldn't unless it
was under a, you know, in a

953
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:15,400
medical sort of setting.
I also have been working on

954
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:22,800
myself to try to get off things
like SSRI's due to, I think PTSD

955
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:27,160
is too strong of a, of a term.
But certainly a lot of anxiety,

956
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,280
a lot of waiting for something
bad to happen.

957
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,400
Like, I don't know, I didn't
have this before the military,

958
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,440
but I've told my guys that, you
know, when there are no call, no

959
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,600
show for work, the first thing I
think of is that they're dead.

960
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:44,560
So because that's been the case
for 8 instances in my 13 years

961
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,640
in the Navy, was that the reason
why they didn't show up is

962
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,880
because they're dead?
Whether that was because of a

963
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,480
self-inflicted incident or
because of an accident or

964
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,920
something like that, that's the
first thing that comes to my

965
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,440
mind.
And so I was on SSR is for a

966
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,800
while there.
I've recently gotten off of

967
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,920
those and have replaced it with
dieting, drinking a

968
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:10,000
significantly less amount and
regular exercise and weight

969
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,720
lifting.
So I'm seeing a lot of

970
00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:15,000
improvements there.
However, I know that for a lot

971
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,960
of people that have been
through, you know, combats and

972
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,200
IE D's and things like that, and
I've, I've served with some of

973
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:25,880
them that simply dieting,
exercise and things like that

974
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:30,480
is, is a non.
It doesn't fix anything, at

975
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,520
least as far as mentally goes.
You might feel good, you know,

976
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,360
while you're doing it, but it
doesn't fix anything, right?

977
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,800
It's not, it's not a treatment,
it's just a Band-Aid in the

978
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,440
moment as your brain floods with
endorphins and and things like

979
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,440
that from the act of picking up
heavy shit and putting it back

980
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,920
down.
And so I do agree that for some

981
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:55,120
people, ibogaine, psychedelics,
things like that, whatever the

982
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,440
nature, whatever the thing looks
like, maybe it's ayahuasca or,

983
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,600
you know, smoking peyote, I
don't know.

984
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,200
But whatever that ends up
looking like, I think that there

985
00:57:03,240 --> 00:57:08,160
are people that will have an
extreme benefit in the veteran

986
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,920
community and then going past
the veteran community once, you

987
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,800
know, they treat the the heavy
hitters where the most suicides

988
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,480
seem to be occurring, and then
getting into the populace in

989
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,560
general.
But I think this is a great

990
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,520
first step.
I'm certain that it will be

991
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,960
effective for some people.
And for some people it might not

992
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,200
be because the brain chemistry
of each person seems to be

993
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,520
unique in the same way.
You know, my flavor of SSRIs

994
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:38,040
wasn't Jeremy's flavor of SSRIs.
I needed something different

995
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,040
than he did.
It was based off of my

996
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:44,920
Physiology.
Physiology in things that happen

997
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,960
to me in the bedroom because
SSRI is affect that, you know,

998
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,400
things like that.
So all different types of things

999
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:52,640
for all different types of
people.

1000
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,040
But I, I think that this is
really cool.

1001
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,400
I believe that there has been a
lot of not peer reviewed

1002
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,200
research, but just people that
have just been like, screw it,

1003
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:03,840
I'm going to Mexico to give this
a shot.

1004
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,000
And it's helped a lot of people.
It's good that I don't know what

1005
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:11,280
if this is an RFK thing or if
this is just a administration

1006
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,960
we're in thing or it's just
enough people are talking about

1007
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,840
it.
But for whatever the reason is,

1008
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:19,720
I'm glad that it's being looked
at as a possible treatment

1009
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,080
versus just a scheduled drug
that needs to be highly

1010
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,120
regulated.
And if you're caught with any

1011
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,960
sort of ties to it, you get
thrown in prison because that's

1012
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,400
super inappropriate, right?
Yeah, yeah, people definitely

1013
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:36,000
will do absolutely desperate
things once they hit certain

1014
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,480
breaking points with those
conditions.

1015
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,440
I mean, I'm one of those people,
you know, So like, it's not

1016
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,040
unreasonable to just be willing
to try anything at that point

1017
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:45,840
just to make those feelings go
away.

1018
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:51,120
Right.
Plus like cannabis, which I've

1019
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:55,960
never I've never smoked weed at
all and I don't intend to, but

1020
00:58:55,960 --> 00:59:00,120
like cannabis, if you run out of
weed, you don't break into

1021
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,360
people's houses for more weed.
It is not that type of drug in

1022
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,400
the same way psychedelics are
like that.

1023
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,640
You trip out too many times.
You might have some long term

1024
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,080
negative effects.
I have people in my family that

1025
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,160
still can't look at, you know,
floral patterns on a on like

1026
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,280
wallpaper on a bathroom without
it, like moving and breathing.

1027
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:21,040
And they haven't done it,
dropped acid in 30 years, but

1028
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,840
they did so much back in the the
day that they think it

1029
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,200
permanently affected, you know,
the way their brain works.

1030
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,440
And that is something to look
at.

1031
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:33,560
But those two types of drugs
don't cause you to steal

1032
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:37,240
people's cars and break into
people's houses to get more of

1033
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,720
those drugs.
So the legality of them

1034
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,720
shouldn't be treated like heroin
or cocaine or methamphetamines,

1035
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,520
you know, things like that.
So I think that when you lump

1036
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,040
all those things together, it's
incredibly inappropriate.

1037
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,960
And they should.
They're definitely making a big

1038
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:55,800
step in breaking out of that
simple drug classification where

1039
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,320
everything's lumped together and
you get prison time for all of

1040
00:59:58,320 --> 00:59:59,480
them.
Cuz yeah.

1041
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,600
It's just, and who knows, like
maybe maybe they're like, if

1042
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,440
they actually are able to study
this closely, they'll be able to

1043
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:10,280
find dosages of those drugs that
don't cause those permanent last

1044
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,160
year effects, you know, so I
feel like that's important too,

1045
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,040
right?
You know, we're not, we're not

1046
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,400
here chasing a high.
We're here chasing a cure.

1047
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,000
And right.
And regardless.

1048
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,760
I agree with you on that though.
Now, regardless of like if it's

1049
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,800
ADMT trip and people are saying
the was it, they call them the

1050
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,120
machine elves or, you know,
people are tripping on, you

1051
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,280
know, magic mushrooms and
they're saying having a

1052
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,280
spiritual experiences and things
like that.

1053
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:38,120
I don't know, like I, I couldn't
tell you, you know, and like I

1054
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,120
said, I would have to do it
myself to see if anything

1055
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:45,280
happened.
I was always told at any point

1056
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:49,080
in the past when I had the
opportunity to take any kind of

1057
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,800
a psychedelic, I was always
told, well, you got to be in the

1058
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,000
right mind frame.
And for that, that was enough

1059
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,000
for me to be like, yeah, I don't
want this because I don't want

1060
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,120
to go through an 8 hour trip
where the spiders are crawling

1061
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:00,480
out of my skin or whatever, you
know?

1062
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,600
Yeah, crap, you know.
From experience, if you're, if

1063
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,920
you're having a bad day, if
you're like in like a really

1064
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:11,160
depressive mindset and like you,
you just don't have good

1065
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:12,560
feelings about yourself that
day.

1066
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,520
If anybody's wondering, I liked
hallucinogens back in college.

1067
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:17,960
That was a thing.
I enjoyed it.

1068
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,560
That sounds really, really bad.
I haven't done them in many,

1069
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,280
many years now, but that was the
thing that I played with

1070
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:25,480
everybody it.
Doesn't sound bad.

1071
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:30,520
Well, I I experimented with
hallucinogens in college and if

1072
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,400
you are having like a really
depressive day, you're having a

1073
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,920
rough time of it and you start
tripping, you will see horrible

1074
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,920
terrifying things like Dragons
coming to get you off your

1075
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,040
ceiling or being poured into a
wine glass and thinking that

1076
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,040
you're drowning.
Which is why 2.

1077
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,520
Experiences and.
Dealing with people with extreme

1078
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,560
PTSD, having this in a medical
setting where people are

1079
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:55,160
actually monitoring you and
checking your, your, you're on

1080
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:58,040
an EKG, They're checking your,
you know, all your vitals and

1081
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,400
stuff like that.
That would be way more

1082
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,600
appropriate than doing it in a
you know someone's a girl.

1083
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,720
I I also never I never got my
hands on mushrooms in college.

1084
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:11,520
I was big on the Salvia
divinorm, which was legal for a

1085
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:12,600
while.
You could just buy it at gas

1086
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:16,040
stations and stuff.
And the trips are pretty

1087
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:17,280
intense.
They're pretty insane.

1088
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,600
So I've never had like any of
like the after effects people

1089
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,800
talk about where like they don't
feel their depression and stuff

1090
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,360
anymore.
Because I think, I think salvia

1091
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,680
is a cannabinoid and like it's
in the same family as cannabis,

1092
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,280
I think.
So it doesn't, it's not like a

1093
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:33,760
psilocybin treatment or
whatever.

1094
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,840
But I've always been interested
in participating in the medical

1095
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:41,840
trials for psilocybin just to
see, but I don't know.

1096
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:43,680
I, I would, I would be very,
very interested.

1097
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:48,840
I super encourage the country to
like start doing that,

1098
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:50,400
especially if it's going to help
people.

1099
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:51,240
Oh.
Yeah, I know for sure.

1100
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:57,000
And it gets you off of, let's
face it, lifelong drug usage.

1101
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:02,880
Not, you know, because as far as
I'm aware, I, I gave myself a

1102
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:07,800
test just to see what happened.
I have plenty of whatever I was

1103
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:11,680
taking SSRIs that if I want to
go back on it today, I could.

1104
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:13,760
And then I just got a call to
get a refill.

1105
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:18,600
But as far as I know, that's not
a, you know, you, you outgrow

1106
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,800
it, you're just on it for
forever.

1107
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:25,080
So if you could, if we could
find a non prescription way to

1108
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,520
get off of it that doesn't end
and you know, for a lot of

1109
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,680
people, a bullet through your
head, then that would be the

1110
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,800
best way to go about it.
So I'm, I'm stoked that this is

1111
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,720
something that at at least it
looks like this administration

1112
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,480
is willing to open up about.
And I'm kind of surprised that

1113
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,920
it wasn't picked up in the last
administration because it seems

1114
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:49,800
like the Democrats are way more
into, you know, not restricting,

1115
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:55,440
not restricting, restricting
drug access like Republicans

1116
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,080
are.
So I'm actually surprised it

1117
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,160
took so long.
But you know, I'm glad that we

1118
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,600
made it.
Medication.

1119
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:06,120
The medication lobbyists and
stuff, right?

1120
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,320
Their companies don't make money
if something cures you.

1121
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,520
Well, sure, of course.
Right.

1122
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,920
So yeah, that's a good stuff A.
Few things right?

1123
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:23,080
Ibogaine and psilocybin are not
the same as acid.

1124
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:28,320
So acid or LSD, right?
That's synthetic, it's not

1125
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:32,040
natural.
Both are psychedelics and they

1126
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,720
interact with the serotonin
receptors in your brain.

1127
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,440
But they have different chemical
structures right?

1128
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,960
They have different effects and
even risks.

1129
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:46,760
Ibogaine is actually natural,
comes from a root bark of an A W

1130
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,160
African plant.
I'm not sure what the name of

1131
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:54,520
the plant is but I know it's
from West Africa and during

1132
01:04:54,520 --> 01:05:01,640
trades in in the mid to late
1900s or even sooner than that

1133
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:09,200
there was this major outsourcing
of this plant to South America.

1134
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:13,440
And that's why a lot of people
go to Mexico is because it is

1135
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,200
abundant there Now.
Ibogaine is, but ibogaine is

1136
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:24,160
completely natural.
LSD or acid is synthetic.

1137
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:28,200
It is man made.
It is not found naturally.

1138
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,080
Even though I have had this
argument with a lot of people, a

1139
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,320
lot of people will say, oh you
can get it off the acid tree.

1140
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,280
Like, no, you can't.
You can't.

1141
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,240
The hot dog tree.
You can't, you know you can't,

1142
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:45,000
you can't just like plant a tab
and then go and harvest all the

1143
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:50,360
all the little smiley faces.
Everyone pulpa for the acid

1144
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,000
tree.
Then let's do that.

1145
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:57,240
There you go.
But to I'm not going to beat a

1146
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:00,640
dead horse and, and continue on
and, and just reiterate what

1147
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:02,960
Jake said, because Jake put it
very well.

1148
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:09,160
But I will say that I've spent
the last four, almost five years

1149
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:16,600
now of my life on SSRIs and it
took a long time, long time to

1150
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:19,840
find the one that works for me.
I think it's been about a year

1151
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,680
now that I've been on this one
and the side effects are almost

1152
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:28,600
almost worse If if it doesn't
work for you it the side effects

1153
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,840
are almost worse than just not
taking anything.

1154
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:33,840
I don't know if I'll ever get
off of it.

1155
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,440
I don't know if I ever can
because they.

1156
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,880
Offered you a chance at doing
like a psilocybin trial, would

1157
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:43,960
you do it?
Absolutely, 100 percent, 100% I

1158
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:48,200
would without question, like
Katie, I'm going to go do drugs.

1159
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:56,640
And no, I, I, I would, I, I
would absolutely do a psilocybin

1160
01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:02,440
trial or ibogaine, DMT all, all
of it, man, I'd do it all.

1161
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:07,920
To the part that was that was
bothering me was that the the

1162
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:12,160
problems I was having in the
bedroom were getting so bad on

1163
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,880
SSRIs that I said screw it.
I'm willing to take constant

1164
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,960
anxiety at not being able to
sleep and thinking that

1165
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:25,080
something horrible is going to
happen to my to well, my, my

1166
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:31,040
wife over that.
And so that's why I tried it out

1167
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:34,000
because it was like it's like, I
mean, this is an adult show.

1168
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,480
Everyone knows the term whiskey
Dick, right?

1169
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:38,120
You drink too much stuff doesn't
work.

1170
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,640
Imagine that every single time.
And that's what I was getting

1171
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:44,600
with every single SSRI tried and
it was making me insane.

1172
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:49,840
And so I was like, I would
rather, I would rather be super

1173
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,960
stressed out, anxious and
thinking that something bad's

1174
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:54,920
going to happen, something
terrible every single time my

1175
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,160
wife stops to like go to the
grocery store if she doesn't

1176
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,720
text me immediately when she
gets out.

1177
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,280
I would rather go through that
that than deal with that.

1178
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,520
And so that's why I decided to
start working on trying to

1179
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,520
change stuff.
Now, I will say that with my

1180
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:11,840
diet and all that sort of stuff
and, and working out, I still

1181
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:15,480
sleep like garbage and I still
have anxiety and I'm nervous.

1182
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:19,279
Well, I'm, I'm just nervous like
constantly so, so it didn't fix

1183
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:23,720
those things, but I've found a
good even mediator now under

1184
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,800
specific circumstances and
things like that, like a, a

1185
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,319
medical setting where people are
watching me and I'm not going to

1186
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:32,880
like, you know, if the trip gets
too bad, just knock me out,

1187
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,520
right?
I think I'd be willing to give

1188
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:38,399
it a shot too, but it would have
to be very specific and stuff

1189
01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:41,600
like that because in my mind, I
wouldn't be any worse off than I

1190
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,279
am right now.
But yeah, it's just like, you

1191
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:48,800
know, so I'm not saying that I'm
not a doctor, and I'm not saying

1192
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,840
that diet and exercise has just,
oh, it's changed me.

1193
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,439
No, but I am able to function in
the bedroom.

1194
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:56,600
And so for me, it's worth it for
right now.

1195
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,600
It's a happy medium.
We can leave obtain mushrooms.

1196
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,520
You can buy them in the the pot
shops in Jersey.

1197
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:06,279
They just gotta.
Drive.

1198
01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:07,840
Yeah.
See, that's not that's not the

1199
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,160
same thing.
You can also just go pick them.

1200
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:12,600
Up off a pile of.
This house shit too.

1201
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,120
What I'm saying, it's Silas
Ivan, like you.

1202
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:18,399
Do you know how shit we have in
Wisconsin?

1203
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,720
Oh, lots.
I mean, you need certain you

1204
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:22,439
need certain humidity.
Literally just.

1205
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:26,120
A handful of shrooms and a
handful of cheese and just lay

1206
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:31,200
out in the field.
And like over here, we could.

1207
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,560
Be super high and super
constipated.

1208
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:38,479
Actually from what I understand
if if you do take shrooms you

1209
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:40,439
might want to eat all that
cheese.

1210
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,479
From what I understand it gives
you the shits pretty bad.

1211
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:44,479
Oh good.
So yeah, it's like.

1212
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,080
It's like taking downwards and
uppers.

1213
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,279
Too many.
Downers.

1214
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,080
Too many uppers.
Now I got to take some more

1215
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:53,560
Downers.
Yeah, yeah.

1216
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,640
But yeah, you can just drive
over the bridge that you can buy

1217
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,280
chocolate bars, the chocolate,
but magic mushroom chocolate

1218
01:09:58,280 --> 01:09:59,120
bars.
Really.

1219
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:01,760
Yeah.
Yeah, it's legal over there.

1220
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:05,920
I mean, you can't bring it back.
It's not legal to do that, but.

1221
01:10:07,480 --> 01:10:09,840
It's like crossing the border
here to go to Minnesota to get

1222
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:11,520
cannabis.
I mean, it's the same thing.

1223
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:15,200
I mean, I really, I could get
somebody to take me there, you

1224
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:18,200
know, eat the the candy bar or
whatever, or however much you're

1225
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:20,040
supposed to eat and then have
them bring me back.

1226
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:21,440
Because it's not illegal to be
high.

1227
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:24,120
It's illegal to possess, right?
Yeah, sure.

1228
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:27,120
So like, I could do that, but
that's like a lot of work.

1229
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:30,120
And I don't know if I'd want to
go for an hour and a half drive

1230
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:33,720
while tripping my balls off.
Might might be the OR it might

1231
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,720
be the move.
Or it's like those Minnesotans

1232
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:40,680
who'd come over the the border
just to get our spotted cow and

1233
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,120
we're like, no, it's.
Funny, yeah, they come over here

1234
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:46,080
to get the spotted cow and then
we go over there to get the

1235
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:52,720
cannabis and vapes.
CJ So you know, Spotted Cow is a

1236
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:55,720
very, very popular beer here.
It's a.

1237
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:57,760
Very OK.
It's like Yingling over here

1238
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:59,960
then.
Actually, Yingling just opened

1239
01:10:59,960 --> 01:11:02,520
up for Wisconsin about a month
ago, Yeah.

1240
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:04,640
You saw that?
Have you had you?

1241
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:05,160
I used to.
I used.

1242
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,560
To drink it when I was shooting,
I got.

1243
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:11,680
It's it's one of two beers.
Shit, it's one of it's one of

1244
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,160
two beers that I actually like.
I I'm not a beer guy.

1245
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:15,560
I don't really like beer, but I
do.

1246
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,360
I will drink a Yingling if it's
offered to me.

1247
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:19,240
I love spotted cow, it's so
good.

1248
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:20,800
Cow's good.
It's so good.

1249
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,600
It's a nice full beer.
Sorry, Jerry, man, I totally cut

1250
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:24,040
you off.
I.

1251
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:25,120
Don't remember what I was
saying.

1252
01:11:25,480 --> 01:11:27,000
OK, good.
It probably wasn't important.

1253
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,360
Something about it, it's full of
mushrooms and a handful of

1254
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:33,640
cheese that, but yeah, yeah.
No, it was about it's spending a

1255
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:37,000
long time trying to find the
right SSRI that worked for you

1256
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,040
and that you don't think you're
ever going to get off of it.

1257
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:43,680
I.
I don't think I can I, I don't I

1258
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:48,320
like if, if I go a day without
remembering to take my pill, I

1259
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:51,120
like, I get migraines.
I mean, I, I understand it's

1260
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,920
just withdrawals and that's
temporary and stuff, but I, I

1261
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:57,360
can't go back to the way I was
feeling, man.

1262
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:04,600
Like I I've CJ had a podcast and
I actually came out with my

1263
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:08,000
whole story on his podcast.
That's still available, that's

1264
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:09,200
still, you can still listen to
it.

1265
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,880
I'm sure fill a sofa talk or
something like that, right?

1266
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:16,440
Yeah, I basically.
Post on that was a mistake.

1267
01:12:17,480 --> 01:12:23,840
Basically, February 15th, 2020.
I'll never forget that date in

1268
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:28,560
my life because, you know, I
hate to say it and I don't want

1269
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:32,720
to, you know, upset any
listeners, but it was so bad for

1270
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:36,200
me while I was in the service
that that was the day that was

1271
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:43,600
going to be the end of my life.
And a lot of things happened,

1272
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:47,480
including, you know, my buddy
here, Jake, you know, doing good

1273
01:12:47,480 --> 01:12:52,400
things like trying to get my
mind off of it and, and help me

1274
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,440
get the podcast going and, and
find, you know, finding a way

1275
01:12:55,440 --> 01:13:01,600
to, to actually dive into the
things that I love and, and love

1276
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:03,600
talking about.
And being able to find people

1277
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:08,760
who also enjoy talking about it
and not feel so weird and, and

1278
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:14,440
outcasty, if you will, about it,
giving me some sort of reason to

1279
01:13:14,440 --> 01:13:19,800
live.
And, and yes, I am a husband and

1280
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:23,000
a father of four now.
It was 3 at the time.

1281
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:27,280
And yes, they were plenty enough
to live for.

1282
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:32,960
But when somebody is going
through that, it's it's a

1283
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,960
different situation.
It's a different evil.

1284
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:38,160
It's.
Basically their blinders are on.

1285
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:40,880
All they can see is the problem.
Think of a horse with blinders.

1286
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:42,720
They can't see anything else
that's good around them.

1287
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:46,360
All they can focus on is the
problem and it's super like

1288
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:47,680
obsessive.
It is.

1289
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:50,400
It's really bad.
It's at a point to where, you

1290
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:56,400
know, I got medically retired
from the military and it was it

1291
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,400
stemmed from an an incident that
occurred that I actually

1292
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:04,240
referred to in the script that
Jake and I both witnessed while

1293
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,280
we were in the surface.
And I don't know if we've ever

1294
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:10,000
told that story on this podcast,
but I'm we'll, we'll save it for

1295
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:11,320
another time.
We're not going to go into it

1296
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:12,760
right now.
We're already an hour and 20

1297
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:18,400
minutes into this recording.
So, but you know, the, the whole

1298
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:23,560
bit in that script where Jake
and I were surrounded by, by

1299
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:28,480
suicides or, you know, people
often themselves and that, that,

1300
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:31,080
that thing that Jake said, you
know, when someone doesn't show

1301
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:33,760
up to work, the first thing that
you just think about and you,

1302
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:38,640
you can't help it because it was
so bad in the military is that

1303
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:42,760
the first thing that comes to
mind is they're dead, whether

1304
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:48,200
it's self-inflicted or not.
So, yeah, I, I get it.

1305
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:52,840
And I think that if something
like Ivagain could help me for,

1306
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:59,360
you know, not think like that
and I can get off SSR is by, you

1307
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:04,240
know, ducting some sort of
Ivagaine trial or even a

1308
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:07,400
regimen.
You know, I would absolutely do

1309
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:09,480
it.
I hate that I had to take a pill

1310
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:12,640
every single day of my life.
I take multiple pills every

1311
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:18,000
single day of my life, but I
have to and you know, I, I do

1312
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:22,120
highly recommend that if anybody
does have issues, please look

1313
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:26,480
into getting help.
It's very important and that's

1314
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:28,400
it.
I'm not going to stay on the,

1315
01:15:28,440 --> 01:15:31,240
the downer side of this.
I mean, we can, we could have

1316
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:33,880
fun joke and and laugh and
everything, but it is a very

1317
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:39,080
serious topic and just want
anybody listening that needs

1318
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:40,200
help.
Please get it.

1319
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:44,000
There's, there's a whole
plethora of of health

1320
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,920
professionals out there to help
you.

1321
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:49,200
And if you're a veteran, you
need to talk to the VA

1322
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:52,240
immediately.
That's all I can say to you.

1323
01:15:53,480 --> 01:15:56,160
You guys ready to go deep?
Yep, I'm ready to go deep.

1324
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,640
Deeper than we're already at,
man, we got deep.

1325
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:00,720
I thought, I thought we already
did The Deep.

1326
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:02,320
Holy crap.
Nope.

1327
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:04,560
All right, all right.
Let's go deep.

1328
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,880
This show has been covering the
story of dead and missing.

1329
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:09,760
There we go, dead and missing
people again.

1330
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:14,560
American scientists since
episode 270 when the count was

1331
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,560
only 5.
Tonight, I don't want to walk

1332
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,560
through the cases again.
I want to describe what this

1333
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:25,400
week actually represents because
something genuinely shifted, and

1334
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:27,880
it's worth understanding what
that shift means.

1335
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:32,600
On Tuesday, April 22nd, the FBI
issued a formal statement to

1336
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:38,760
multiple outlets, including CBS
News, Fortune, Newsweek, and the

1337
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:42,680
Boston Globe.
Quote, the FBI is spearheading

1338
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,600
the effort to look for
connections into the missing and

1339
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,800
deceased scientists.
We are working with the

1340
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:52,800
Department of Energy, Department
of War, and with our state and

1341
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,120
local law enforcement partners
to find answers.

1342
01:16:56,120 --> 01:17:00,200
Prior to that, FBI Director Cash
Patel separately told Fox News

1343
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:04,400
on Sunday, April 20th.
Quote, the FBI is going to be

1344
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:07,840
spearheading the effort
collectively with our partners

1345
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:09,920
at the Department of Energy and
the Department of War.

1346
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:12,880
The FBI is the federal
government's primary

1347
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:16,640
investigative agency, saying
publicly that it is leading a

1348
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:20,160
coordinated multi agency effort
to determine whether these cases

1349
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:22,400
are connected.
House Oversight Committee

1350
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:26,880
Chairman James Comer, who called
the whole thing a crazy

1351
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:31,120
conspiracy theory just days
earlier, formally launched a

1352
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:34,800
committee investigation and
demanded staff briefings from

1353
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,600
the Pentagon, Energy Department,
NASA, and FBI.

1354
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:42,520
By April 27th, NASA issued its
own statement confirming it is

1355
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,280
coordinating with relevant
agencies.

1356
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:49,280
The pushback is also real and it
also matters.

1357
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:53,040
A former FBI special agent told
News Nation she has taken a

1358
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:56,960
pragmatic look at each case and
is not buying the conspiracy.

1359
01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:00,400
A family member of one scientist
told the press Quote people

1360
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:05,000
should realize that scientists
die and not make too much of

1361
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,680
this.
Skeptic magazine's editor

1362
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,840
described the pattern as mystery
mongering, data mining, or

1363
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,640
people searching through
biographies for any connection

1364
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,680
to defense or aerospace and
inevitably finding them because

1365
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:19,840
those fields touch millions of
careers.

1366
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:23,480
There was even an article
published on Wikipedia titled

1367
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:27,600
Missing Scientists Conspiracy
Theory this week, which tells

1368
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:29,640
you something about the moment
we are in.

1369
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:34,480
Now I want to tell you about
David Wilco because I think his

1370
01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:38,320
death is part of this week's
story, even though he doesn't

1371
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:42,600
belong on the scientists list.
Wilcock was not a government

1372
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:45,800
researcher or a scientist.
He was a New York Times

1373
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:49,400
bestselling author and one of
the most prominent voices in the

1374
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:54,320
UAP disclosure community with
511,000 YouTube subscribers.

1375
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:57,320
His credibility within the
scientific community was

1376
01:18:57,320 --> 01:19:02,000
frequently questioned, and
that's a fair thing to include.

1377
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:04,960
He also had a documented history
of depression and financial

1378
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,960
struggles that his family
confirmed were at the center of

1379
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:12,000
what happened on April 19th.
In his final YouTube live

1380
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:14,680
stream, he said he was grateful.
Be alive.

1381
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,880
Then he said, quote, frankly,
people are disappearing.

1382
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:21,160
Scientists are going missing.
It's a little bit scary.

1383
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:25,640
He also said in that same stream
quote, you don't get to

1384
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:28,160
resurrect.
If you lay down your life,

1385
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:30,200
you're done.
So please don't do that.

1386
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:33,920
On April 20th, he called 911,
spoke about his financial and

1387
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,120
health struggles and died at the
scene.

1388
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:40,320
His family has asked for privacy
and has asked that his death

1389
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:43,640
become a conversation about
mental health care access.

1390
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:47,360
I am covering this because it
happened and because the IRH

1391
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:50,360
audience is talking about it.
But I want to be clear, we

1392
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:52,320
cannot say his death is
connected to the pattern.

1393
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:56,240
What we can say is that one of
the most prominent media voices

1394
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:59,840
in the UAP disclosure community
died the same week that story

1395
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:03,680
reached the FBI and House
Oversight, and that his final

1396
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,240
public words were about people
disappearing.

1397
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:10,400
That is the documented reality.
Trump's week and a half timeline

1398
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:13,920
expires this weekend.
Comer's briefing deadlines.

1399
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:18,480
April 27th either something
arrives or the non arrival

1400
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:21,520
becomes the story.
This show will be here yet

1401
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,000
again.
Either way if you or someone you

1402
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:28,840
know is struggling please reach
out to 988 Suicide and Crisis

1403
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:32,280
Lifeline by calling or texting
988.

1404
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:36,680
Real people answer the phone and
are always standing by to help

1405
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:38,120
you.
Jake.

1406
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:43,480
CJ FBI officially investigating
House Oversight formally probing

1407
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,160
David Wilcox.
Final words being about people

1408
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:49,320
disappearing and two hard
deadlines arriving in the next

1409
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:52,240
72 hours after 4 episodes of the
story.

1410
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:54,000
Where are your thoughts on this
topic?

1411
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:58,880
The feds are investigating why
the feds are killing scientists.

1412
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,200
Yes, makes sense.
We don't.

1413
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:06,800
We don't see a yeah that it's a
waste of time.

1414
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:09,880
It's a distracted psyop.
The feds are investigating why

1415
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:13,640
the feds are killing scientists
Rough.

1416
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:19,120
It's it's true though, It's a,
it's a legitimate question.

1417
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:21,240
You know it is.
I agree with them.

1418
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:23,600
I think anybody who doesn't
think that's a psyop is out of

1419
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,120
their minds.
Like there, there's there's

1420
01:21:26,440 --> 01:21:30,000
that's like, that's like going
to your toddler and being like,

1421
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:34,200
hey, did you color on that wall?
And then going let me get the

1422
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:36,360
toddler next door to investigate
that for you.

1423
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:39,920
Like no.
And it just so happened that

1424
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:42,360
that toddler next door helped
them color on the wall too.

1425
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:44,400
Like.
Yeah, no, this guy said he'll

1426
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:50,080
give me his kachau if if I tell
them no, Yeah, Kachao is

1427
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,240
Lightning McQueen, by the way.
If anybody is.

1428
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:55,680
Yeah, getting weird about that,
that's just it's a joke cuz kids

1429
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:57,080
like Lightning Queen.
That's.

1430
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:59,360
Never mind.
Well they they they like K pop

1431
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:02,400
demon hunters now white mcqueens
out saja boys are.

1432
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:05,560
In Saja, boys are not in.
How many you do not disparage

1433
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:07,240
Asaja boys because I kind of
like them too.

1434
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:09,120
Do you really?
Dude, that's the movie.

1435
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:12,480
The movie so good.
I have seen it.

1436
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:16,240
I have seen it at least a couple
dozen times.

1437
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:17,680
And you?
Have a house full of children.

1438
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:21,560
No kidding.
It's really, it's not bad, it's

1439
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:24,400
fun, but.
My kid loves it, loves that

1440
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:27,120
movie.
Not the Soulja boys bro, no what

1441
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:29,000
is it?
I'm getting a Soulja Boy.

1442
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:31,280
K pop demon hunters.
It's like the.

1443
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,600
World's most.
Popular kids movie right now.

1444
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:35,440
Jake, don't.
Don't do it.

1445
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:38,920
You will think it's absolutely
ridiculous.

1446
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:39,920
You're not.
Going to like it at all.

1447
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,240
It's it's one of those movies
that you don't watch as an

1448
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:44,720
adult.
They if an adult has seen it,

1449
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:46,880
chances are they have children
in their house.

1450
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,600
Yeah, I can't watch this by
myself in my living room.

1451
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:52,000
I'll someone will kick open my
door and arrest me.

1452
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:54,800
I'm not allowed to.
Yeah, 100 percent, 100%.

1453
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:59,560
No, you should definitely watch
it with Whitney if if you do, I

1454
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:02,440
mean, it's it's not bad.
The the music is catchy, right,

1455
01:23:02,440 --> 01:23:06,120
the animations, cool shit, like
it's really awesome animation.

1456
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:10,360
And I mean, I can't say the
storylines great because I don't

1457
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:15,040
think it is.
It's pretty flat, It's like.

1458
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:18,080
You're if you're going to watch
it, if you're going to watch it

1459
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:21,160
with the mindset that I'm
watching this with a child, you

1460
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:24,360
will enjoy the movie.
I'll tell you the kids love it

1461
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:25,480
though.
Kids get up.

1462
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:27,840
Yeah.
They do.

1463
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,840
As an adult, if you're watching
it, it's not going to be great.

1464
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:32,560
It's not.
But like if you're like, I'm

1465
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,960
going to enjoy this with my
kids, it's like it's one of

1466
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:36,560
those things you don't fall
asleep during.

1467
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:40,360
And the benefit to that is if I
don't know where my child is

1468
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:44,040
inside the house, all I have to
do is turn on my little soda pop

1469
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,880
and he'll come running out of
whatever corner he's hiding in.

1470
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:52,520
I'll tell you though, it it, it,
it is nice to kind of kind of

1471
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:57,000
watch every once in awhile
because I am a big anime fan and

1472
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,040
seeing some of the fight scenes,
some of the fight scenes in this

1473
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,720
are great.
These, these, these girls kick

1474
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:02,800
ass.
They do.

1475
01:24:03,480 --> 01:24:09,640
And it's it's good.
But past that, I mean, 90% of

1476
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:11,560
the movie I could do without.
Yeah.

1477
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:14,320
You know.
CJ I'll do the exact same thing

1478
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:18,200
in my house.
If someone plays a like a little

1479
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:21,200
section of a line from like Gran
Torino, I'll come running in.

1480
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:31,720
He was watching that without me.
That's right.

1481
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:33,520
Is Clint Eastwood saying
something racist?

1482
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:38,720
Yeah.
He's watching Save Me Private

1483
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:41,920
Ryan.
Yeah, but not but back-to-back.

1484
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:45,000
I do think it's absolutely
insane that the feds are

1485
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,120
investigating the feds because
we all know what the what the

1486
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:50,720
outcome of that's going to be.
Yeah, it's definitely.

1487
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:54,360
But yeah, of course we're gonna,
we'll investigate this.

1488
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:59,920
We got it.
Very interesting.

1489
01:24:59,960 --> 01:25:02,360
Well, this sucks.
Guess we'll have that one guy in

1490
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:04,960
the FBI who has like a high
moral code and he'll be like,

1491
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:09,080
oh, yeah, this so and so named
guy and you're here.

1492
01:25:09,480 --> 01:25:11,400
Wow.
The next thing you know, he's up

1493
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,480
on the screen just bloody and on
the ground like, oh, he

1494
01:25:14,480 --> 01:25:17,120
committed suicide.
There's like there's a guy of

1495
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:21,320
the broom.
Behind him from the back.

1496
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:24,800
He's in a green screen suit.
He.

1497
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:27,320
Jumped off a roof and landed on
some bullets.

1498
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:34,960
That's messed up.
We'll investigate that too.

1499
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,560
That's right.
I really don't know what else

1500
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:42,800
to, to talk about with this, but
I guess the, the real thing to

1501
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:49,600
talk about here is that this is
no longer a fringe subject.

1502
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:52,520
This is being talked about
everywhere now.

1503
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:57,760
Every single mainstream media
outlet has talked about it,

1504
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:00,920
website is talked about it.
It's popping up on every single

1505
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:03,520
social media feed.
It's everywhere now.

1506
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:06,240
I mean, we, we've been talking
about it for a little over a

1507
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:14,840
month, but it is no longer like
where fringe podcasters are just

1508
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:17,320
bringing up this weird
coincidence, right?

1509
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:19,920
Yeah, Yeah, well, fringe
podcasters are doing it.

1510
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,600
They can say, oh, look at these
crazy conspiracy theorists and

1511
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:24,280
ignore it.
But when everybody else starts

1512
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:26,600
looking at it, now they have to
do something, otherwise it

1513
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:28,480
becomes obvious they're the ones
that did it.

1514
01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:31,040
Even though it's too late and
it's already obvious they're the

1515
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:35,360
ones they did it.
I will say I had you know what?

1516
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:42,120
I, I had a little conversation,
if you will, with, with

1517
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:45,960
somebody.
I, I get a lot of messages right

1518
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:49,520
from people who listen to the
show or listen to 1 show or

1519
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,520
listen to a clip on YouTube,
right?

1520
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,400
And they'll, they'll message me
and it'll be like, you guys are

1521
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:57,680
crazy conspiracy theorists and
stuff.

1522
01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:02,040
And I, I just, I, I, I was like,
fuck it.

1523
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:04,880
I'm just going to reply to this
one guy and be like, hey man,

1524
01:27:05,480 --> 01:27:09,560
when does it?
When does it get tiring to find

1525
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:12,240
out that all the conspiracy
theorists are correct?

1526
01:27:12,480 --> 01:27:15,000
I wonder what?
Doesn't that get annoying?

1527
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:18,440
Doesn't it just suck that you're
like, oh, you're, you're this

1528
01:27:18,440 --> 01:27:24,080
little snobby nose upturned fuck
face saying, you know, like, oh,

1529
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:26,640
you're just a conspiracy
theorist man.

1530
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:30,600
And then the very next day
another conspiracy theory hits

1531
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:33,240
the news and you find out that
it's true.

1532
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:36,640
Like, doesn't that suck?
Doesn't that get old?

1533
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:41,720
Doesn't that like like that's
the ultimate like and one right

1534
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,400
If you if you understand
basketball references.

1535
01:27:44,440 --> 01:27:46,480
You actually bother replying to
these people?

1536
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:50,960
I, I don't typically I don't,
but sometimes it just like gets

1537
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:53,040
to the point where it's like,
dude, shut the fuck up.

1538
01:27:54,440 --> 01:27:56,760
Honestly, like you should just
just do what I would do.

1539
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:58,760
Like when you get one of those
messages, you read it, just

1540
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:02,320
write, you write and then hit
enter, and then on the next one,

1541
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,400
just the emoji of the guy going
and send that and then that'll

1542
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:06,640
be the last thing you think you
write.

1543
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:10,840
No, I usually, I usually like to
just read them, leave them on

1544
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:14,040
red right.
But it's just like when people

1545
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:17,440
say conspiracy theorists like I,
I don't think I'm a conspiracy

1546
01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:20,040
theorist, right.
I'm not a guy that goes

1547
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:24,400
completely left field with a lot
of the things that I talk about

1548
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:27,120
like I've it's got to have some
pretty good evidence to it.

1549
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:33,480
I like to talk about things that
are out there and do theorize,

1550
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:35,480
you know, the possibility of it
being true.

1551
01:28:35,480 --> 01:28:40,320
But when it comes to me getting
behind a topic and saying, yes,

1552
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:43,360
that there is something here,
this is it, right?

1553
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:46,240
It's got to have some pretty
damn good evidence about it,

1554
01:28:46,440 --> 01:28:48,520
right?
It just talking about it with a

1555
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:51,320
couple of my buddies on a
podcast is the same as me coming

1556
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:53,240
out and saying, hey, this is
fucking true.

1557
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:57,120
You know, specific to this topic
right here, right?

1558
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,440
When we're talking about all
these dead and missing

1559
01:28:59,480 --> 01:29:03,840
scientists, am I am I convinced
that there's something going on?

1560
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:06,360
No.
But will I will I admit that

1561
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:09,240
there's a pretty strange
coincidence to all this?

1562
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:13,160
Yeah, absolutely.
And And if somebody's going to

1563
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:16,160
look at all of this and be like,
now you're just a conspiracy

1564
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:19,000
theorist and not look at the
possibility that there is

1565
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:21,880
something actually going on.
You know, if it if it looks like

1566
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:24,320
a duck, it quacks like a duck,
smells like a duck and tastes

1567
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:25,880
like a duck, it's probably a
duck, dude.

1568
01:29:26,440 --> 01:29:30,600
And that's kind of where I'm at
with this particular subject.

1569
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:35,120
But in no way, shape or form
Maya conspiracy theorist with

1570
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:36,520
everything else.
Just because I like to talk

1571
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:40,600
about Bigfoot and UFOs, right,
doesn't necessarily mean that I

1572
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:45,760
believe that the Chupacabra is
real or Mothman or, you know,

1573
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:50,320
that the the the Nordics are
real alien race that comes here

1574
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:52,840
to Earth.
I'll tell you, I do believe in

1575
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:55,440
Bigfoot, right?
I do believe that there are

1576
01:29:55,440 --> 01:29:59,320
weird anomalies in the sky that
we don't know about, but that's

1577
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:04,440
pretty much about it, right?
I'm not the 5G thing and all the

1578
01:30:04,440 --> 01:30:05,720
crazy stuff.
You're not.

1579
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:07,880
Jeff, is what you're saying?
That's where I'm trying to get

1580
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:10,360
to is like.
I'm not a tinfoil hat guy.

1581
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:13,240
I think the.
Difference between a conspiracy

1582
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:16,480
theorist and like you is a
conspiracy theorist.

1583
01:30:16,480 --> 01:30:19,400
They hear something and it's
true until proven false.

1584
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:23,680
Where you it's you hear an idea
and you're like well let me hear

1585
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:26,720
the logic and ideas behind that
idea and then I'll come to a

1586
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:28,080
conclusion.
I don't think that's a

1587
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:31,000
conspiracy theorist such as
somebody who's open minded and

1588
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:33,320
willing to listen to someone.
Who has logic and reason in

1589
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:35,280
their brain?
Right, right.

1590
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:36,600
I think that's the big
difference.

1591
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:38,960
Like, I mean, you can call me a
conspiracy theorist when it

1592
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:41,000
comes to the government.
They've done so many fucked up

1593
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:43,720
things and if you tell them you
could completely invent

1594
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:46,560
something right now and tell me
that it's something fucked up

1595
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:49,480
the government did, and I will
instantly believe you until I

1596
01:30:49,480 --> 01:30:50,760
find out you've been lying to
me.

1597
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:54,640
Right, But that's because the
government has a history of

1598
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:57,320
doing fucked up things to us.
What you're saying is you have

1599
01:30:57,320 --> 01:31:00,760
an affinity for statistics and
pattern recognition.

1600
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:05,080
Let.
Me.

1601
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:08,000
Tell you man, let me tell you
conspiracy theorists.

1602
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:11,000
But no, I get what you're saying
though.

1603
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:13,080
For real.
I mean, it, it, it's a

1604
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:16,320
legitimate story and I, I, I
think that there is some, some

1605
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:20,840
weird shit going on.
Is the weird shit that there is

1606
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:24,560
some government agency or some
Black Ops agency that's killing

1607
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:29,440
scientists that study anti
gravity and nuclear power?

1608
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:32,240
No, probably not.
But I mean, there's a there's

1609
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:38,080
enough here to warrant like,
hey, man, let's at least kind of

1610
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:40,600
just take a look at this.
I feel like there's more

1611
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:42,560
evidence here than to Flat
Earth.

1612
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:48,360
Like it's, you know, a lot of
people, a lot of people when

1613
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:51,520
they know about the podcast I
talked about, one of the very

1614
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:55,240
first topics they'll bring up
isn't aliens or UFOs or Bigfoot,

1615
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:59,800
It's Flat Earth.
And they instantly just think

1616
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:02,720
that, oh, because I do this kind
of stuff, I'm a flat Earther.

1617
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:05,680
And it couldn't be further from
the truth like.

1618
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:10,120
Right, we're a, we're a
trapezoid earther.

1619
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:14,280
I think it's a potato, yeah.
I mean, I, I like to live in the

1620
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:19,800
world where our, our earth is
Taco shaped, you know, and, and

1621
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:21,400
it's filled with goodies.
So one.

1622
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:24,680
Side is flat.
Yummy savory goodies, yeah.

1623
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:28,760
My earth has acute and obtuse
angles.

1624
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:35,360
It is a rhombus so y'all can
suck it if you think the earth

1625
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:38,680
is round or flat.
If you think about it like, I

1626
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:40,480
mean, it makes sense that that's
what they would think because

1627
01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:43,920
that's like one of the most
prominent frontline conspiracy

1628
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:45,760
theories right now.
I mean in.

1629
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:48,800
Hollywood and all.
That ever but I get it man, I

1630
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:50,680
get it.
But like what you were saying,

1631
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:55,320
I, I have looked at the Flat
Earth argument and nobody,

1632
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:58,840
nobody can convince me with the
arguments that are currently

1633
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:01,160
being made.
Trust me, this is this is going

1634
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:04,240
to bring out all kinds of people
freaking messaging me being

1635
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:07,160
like, oh man, you got to look at
why can't why can't you see

1636
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:10,800
Chicago from across Lake MI?
Like, dude, you.

1637
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:14,360
Need to just tell them when they
do message you just say CJ told

1638
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:16,840
me to say fuck you.
And.

1639
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:23,480
But, but you're not skating past
the thing you just said.

1640
01:33:23,480 --> 01:33:28,680
You don't think that a Black Ops
government agency isn't whacking

1641
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:30,840
these people?
Let me ask you this if it's not

1642
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:33,440
a Black Ops government agency.
Who?

1643
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:36,560
Who would?
Care who would care so much?

1644
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:41,200
Who would care so much about us
knowing about gravitational

1645
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:43,280
propulsion and shit?
That they would.

1646
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:45,960
Be whacking these people, if not
the government.

1647
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:51,720
I think if you want me to do, do
I think that it's a possibility?

1648
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:54,000
Yes.
Do I think that the evidence

1649
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:57,160
that we have currently right now
points to anything like that?

1650
01:33:57,360 --> 01:33:58,640
No.
But then who else?

1651
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:00,120
I don't.
Who else would care?

1652
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:04,080
About knowing a lot of a lot of
these people probably are within

1653
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:07,400
the same friend groups, right?
And who knows, there could be

1654
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:09,720
psychedelics going in.
They all could be tripping acid

1655
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:11,360
and just walking out of their
house.

1656
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:15,000
I mean, if they all work at the
same places, right, know the

1657
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:18,320
same people, there could be
something going on within that

1658
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:20,840
community.
I mean, that shit happens in all

1659
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:24,400
kinds of professions, man, All
kinds of professions, from Wall

1660
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:27,960
Street to to military service
members, to people working at

1661
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:30,920
McDonald's.
I mean, there are things that

1662
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:34,640
happen to people and there are
substances that make it into,

1663
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:37,160
into circles.
And there's some, there's some

1664
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:40,040
really bad ones out there, man.
Remember when Basalt hit?

1665
01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:42,600
And their debt cults?
Forget about those.

1666
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:46,160
I mean, then you have just
massively depressed people,

1667
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:49,200
people that are working on
nuclear weaponry, not nuclear

1668
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:52,400
power, but nuclear weaponry.
Like people in the Manhattan

1669
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:55,440
Project when they saw Hiroshima
and Nagasaki go off in the

1670
01:34:55,440 --> 01:34:59,040
destruction that it made, a lot
of those people fell into it in

1671
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:03,360
a crazy wave of depression
because they they had no idea

1672
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:07,640
that what they were doing was
actually that bad until they saw

1673
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:09,960
it happen.
Yes, it was theorized to be that

1674
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:13,520
bad, but to actually see the
devastation that it made is

1675
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:15,760
terrible.
You don't know what these people

1676
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:17,840
are working on.
It could be, it could be

1677
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:21,320
something as as simple as a
substance abuse problem.

1678
01:35:21,480 --> 01:35:25,160
It could be something as a, a
guilty conscious where they're

1679
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:28,360
working on something that really
isn't sitting well with them,

1680
01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:31,240
where they're not able to talk
about it because of ND as

1681
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:33,280
because of, you know, legal
issues.

1682
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:39,440
And instead of sitting there and
and just letting it devour them

1683
01:35:39,440 --> 01:35:42,800
from the inside out, they'd say
no, fuck this truck induces and

1684
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:45,880
and pull and trigger.
You know, I hate to say it like

1685
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:50,800
that, but I mean.
I I hear you and we just just

1686
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:53,080
hear me out on that.
I think it's when it's closer

1687
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:54,800
kind of thing, man.
Typically, when it comes to like

1688
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:57,120
a substance abuse thing in
circles, we've already

1689
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:00,840
established that these people
were widespread and had minimal

1690
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:03,600
contact with each other, if
anything, yeah, they're not.

1691
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:05,080
Really working.
They also don't like.

1692
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:07,200
Nuclear bombs.
They're doing gravitational

1693
01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:10,640
propulsion mostly right.
A lot of this stuff is is

1694
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:14,200
related and they work within
similar sectors to each other.

1695
01:36:14,200 --> 01:36:17,480
I mean, ask Jake, right?
In the military, or at least in

1696
01:36:17,480 --> 01:36:20,800
the Navy, you could spend three
years of your time in Norfolk,

1697
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:22,560
then get shipped across the
country.

1698
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:30,160
Then you can go from Norfolk to
California to Oklahoma to duty a

1699
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:33,120
recruiting station out in
Kansas.

1700
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:38,160
And just because you are in
physically different locations,

1701
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:40,880
the fact that they're all
working on similar things,

1702
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:44,680
similar mechanics, all topics
that work together somehow,

1703
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:48,840
nuclear power and anti gravity,
that's been married together for

1704
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:51,960
a very long time in theoretics,
right?

1705
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:56,920
So just because, you know, two
people at Los Alamos died and

1706
01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:59,680
then two people at JPL died,
doesn't mean that it didn't work

1707
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:01,640
together at some time.
Doesn't mean that they didn't

1708
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:03,800
know people that work together.
Doesn't mean that they didn't

1709
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:05,040
have that.
I mean.

1710
01:37:05,080 --> 01:37:07,120
Right, but I'm not saying that
that's not a thing.

1711
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:08,840
What I'm saying is like
typically when you see like

1712
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:11,480
rings of substance abuse, these
are people who have consistent

1713
01:37:11,480 --> 01:37:13,600
contact with each other.
Just look at the most simple

1714
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:16,280
thing like marijuana, right?
You don't start smoking

1715
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:20,760
marijuana because you saw Snoop
Dogg on the TV doing it.

1716
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:23,680
You saw smoking marijuana
because your fucking buddy came

1717
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:25,920
to your house and offered you.
It was like you would have

1718
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,080
smoked a joint because somebody
offered him a joint because

1719
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:29,240
somebody offered that guy a
joint.

1720
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:33,760
Like, OK, maybe you're an
outlier.

1721
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:36,680
I'm just saying it's the
frequency of these deaths and

1722
01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:40,520
whatever is it's too much, too
close.

1723
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:42,480
They don't have consistent
contact.

1724
01:37:42,480 --> 01:37:45,800
They maybe they had contact, but
contact is minimal between these

1725
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:47,040
people.
It's not consistent.

1726
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:49,280
It's why you.
Don't you don't know that?

1727
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:51,240
You don't, thought we.
Established that in the last

1728
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:54,680
several episodes.
Physical location does not mean

1729
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:56,520
that they did not have contact
with each other.

1730
01:37:57,120 --> 01:38:00,000
Just because they didn't they
were there that weekend doesn't

1731
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:01,920
mean that they that they were
staying there.

1732
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:04,120
A lot of these people lived in
Albuquerque.

1733
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:05,920
OK.
There was 5 or 6 of them now

1734
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:08,600
that that lived in Albuquerque
and just walked off into the

1735
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:11,160
desert.
That sounds like a trip to me.

1736
01:38:12,480 --> 01:38:15,400
I mean, a lot of people get high
on something that they don't

1737
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:18,920
know what they're taking and
just walk out and never come

1738
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:22,400
back.
I mean, that is known, right?

1739
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:23,840
So you think?
No, No.

1740
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:26,000
Hey, And my misunderstanding the
last couple of episodes I

1741
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:29,040
thought we really talked about
like I'm pretty sure I directly

1742
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:32,000
asked at one point how much
contact they had with each

1743
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:34,440
other, like how often were these
people talking?

1744
01:38:34,440 --> 01:38:37,640
And I'm fairly certain that we
established that this wasn't a

1745
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:40,120
group of people who was tight
knit and talking together

1746
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:43,400
frequently, that if they were
communicating, it was it was

1747
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:46,680
minimal because of their fields.
I don't remember that specific

1748
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:48,760
thing getting brought up.
Could it have?

1749
01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:53,000
Yeah, possibly.
I also don't know that

1750
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:55,800
information.
All I know is the geographical

1751
01:38:55,800 --> 01:39:00,120
locations of where they were
either found dead or went

1752
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:02,080
missing.
That's all I know about.

1753
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:03,640
Were they?
Working for the same company.

1754
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:08,720
A lot of them were Los Alamos,
JPLI think seven of them were

1755
01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:12,000
fell underneath those two
companies alone or those I'd.

1756
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:13,800
Be interested to know if they
were working on the same

1757
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:17,000
project.
That's what I'm saying is a lot

1758
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:18,720
of this stuff is segmented,
right?

1759
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:21,040
Where they work on the same
project, but they work in

1760
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:24,800
different locations.
I mean, like to make an airplane

1761
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:27,920
or to make a space shuttle, you
know, like the engines are made

1762
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:30,160
in Pratt and Whitney in
Connecticut and then the

1763
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:34,160
airframe is made in some bum
fuck nowhere Arkansas, right?

1764
01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:39,440
Or, and then the, the, the OBOG
system, the onboard oxygen

1765
01:39:39,440 --> 01:39:42,040
generation system is made in
California.

1766
01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:44,840
You know, like all these things
get made in separate areas.

1767
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:47,760
And then when it's ready to put
all the pieces together, then

1768
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:50,320
they they ship it to one
location for assembly, you know,

1769
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:51,600
and it's the same thing with
your car.

1770
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:53,400
It's the same thing with your
fucking microwave, right?

1771
01:39:53,400 --> 01:40:01,960
It, it, it's, it's I, I, I would
find it and I, I take a side

1772
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:06,560
step here.
I don't want to say that you you

1773
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:10,840
asked for for something that it
could be, I said drugs, not that

1774
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:13,640
I believe it's drugs.
OK, That's, that's I, I think

1775
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:17,240
it's probably more or less along
the lines like if I had to

1776
01:40:17,240 --> 01:40:20,600
actually put weight behind
something, it's something along

1777
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:22,440
the lines of a mental health
issue, right?

1778
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:27,320
Now there was a couple, couple
incidences where like the guy

1779
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:30,680
showed up on, on homeboy's
property and took his life,

1780
01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:33,240
right?
Like we, we have the killer, we,

1781
01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:36,080
we know that there wasn't a
stalking issue with it.

1782
01:40:36,920 --> 01:40:40,000
Like that's unfortunate, right?
That that seemed like that was a

1783
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:43,800
crazy person.
I, I'm just listing off

1784
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:48,120
possibilities other than our
government killing people

1785
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:49,960
because of the of the study that
they're in.

1786
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:55,960
Now, I will say that there is a
lot to this story that is

1787
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:59,040
unsettling.
The fact that we are this close

1788
01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:03,640
to disclosure and people of this
profession are getting off,

1789
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:09,160
whether it's by self harm or
not, that's strange, very

1790
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:11,360
strange.
And I do believe that somebody

1791
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:13,560
should look into it, right?
I'm not saying that we

1792
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:16,080
shouldn't.
I'm just saying that if you look

1793
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:19,160
at this and you look at it from
a point of view of, of being

1794
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:22,400
like, hey, let's look at this of
what it most likely is.

1795
01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:27,080
Weird black programs killing
scientists doesn't necessarily

1796
01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:30,920
seem like the best answer.
It seems like an answer that

1797
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:34,520
should be looked at, but I it
doesn't seem like it's going to

1798
01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:36,520
be the answer, if you know what
I mean.

1799
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:39,400
I hope that we're this close to
disclosure because the Pentagon

1800
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:41,800
still hasn't released any of the
UFO footage.

1801
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:44,760
They said they're going to fax,
so it's kind.

1802
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:48,320
Of, well, they got, we got to
line something else up for them

1803
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:50,800
to distract us with.
And then once they have that,

1804
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:52,520
then they'll give us the
disclosure because then they'll

1805
01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:54,560
have something new to to dangle
in front of us.

1806
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:58,640
CJ Like I, like I've said, man,
I I like to play devil's

1807
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:00,520
advocate.
I like to bring up the what

1808
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:03,560
about this, what about that, and
to play devil's advocate against

1809
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:06,840
myself.
One fun thing to think about is,

1810
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:09,920
but I wouldn't say fun thing,
but something to think about

1811
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:14,280
along the lines of evidence for
some, some really weird shady

1812
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:20,880
shit going on is if you wanted
to control a narrative

1813
01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:24,760
specifically about UFO
disclosure or UAP disclosure,

1814
01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:30,400
you would want to get rid of
everybody that can say that what

1815
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:35,680
you're putting out is incorrect.
So let's say they came out and

1816
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:39,400
said, yeah, they have anti
gravitical technology.

1817
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:43,320
Well, if if it's really not
right and you wanted to control

1818
01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:45,160
that narrative, what would you
do?

1819
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:48,320
You got to get rid of everybody
that can prove you wrong, right.

1820
01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:54,760
And that part it makes sense.
But with the with all the

1821
01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:59,720
evidence that we have right now,
it doesn't seem to be that maybe

1822
01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:02,120
one or two, maybe all of them, I
don't know.

1823
01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:06,960
But if I had to guess, it's just
a really sad group of

1824
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:09,400
circumstances.
But it is, it's something that

1825
01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:12,840
we talked about, right?
And we talked about UF OS a lot.

1826
01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:16,240
And it's natural for our show to
talk about this kind of stuff

1827
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:18,880
and bring up the possibility.
And I think it's worth talking

1828
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:22,480
about because I believe that
although I think that it's

1829
01:43:22,480 --> 01:43:24,360
probably not the case, I would
love.

1830
01:43:24,480 --> 01:43:26,920
I, I, let me, let me recorrect
that.

1831
01:43:26,920 --> 01:43:27,920
I don't want to say I would
love.

1832
01:43:28,440 --> 01:43:32,680
I still think it's good for us
to exercise the thought that it

1833
01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:35,120
could be and to at least bring
the question forward.

1834
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:37,040
Have somebody else prove us
wrong.

1835
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:39,280
Have someone else prove us
right, right.

1836
01:43:39,480 --> 01:43:41,920
If nobody is going to ask the
question and bring it forward,

1837
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:44,480
it's it's because of
conversations like this that it

1838
01:43:44,480 --> 01:43:48,280
is now being looked at by the
government by and it's being

1839
01:43:48,280 --> 01:43:52,600
talked about on every main
mainstream media account because

1840
01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:55,400
conversations like this are
happening on little nothing

1841
01:43:55,400 --> 01:43:56,920
podcast.
And that's good.

1842
01:43:56,960 --> 01:44:00,080
And it should apply to a lot of
other aspects of life too.

1843
01:44:00,200 --> 01:44:03,800
A lot of other aspects of life.
Oh absolutely, absolutely.

1844
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:07,080
I think we need an agency other
than a government run faction to

1845
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:09,640
be looking into it.
I agree too.

1846
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:11,240
I do.
All right, Jake.

1847
01:44:11,480 --> 01:44:13,000
Tell me I'm wrong.
Wrong.

1848
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:14,080
Thank you.
Thanks, buddy.

1849
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:15,960
Is that it?
Is that all we have?

1850
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:17,040
Or did you?
Did you?

1851
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:23,480
Have more No, I mean, I I don't
know I don't know that this guy

1852
01:44:23,480 --> 01:44:26,800
Dave Wilcock, Dave Wilcock
committing suicide like that

1853
01:44:27,120 --> 01:44:29,880
it's terrible but it.
Is very.

1854
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:36,680
But he, that one doesn't appear
to be quite like the other.

1855
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:39,760
The one we talked about last
week where it was, hey, I'm not

1856
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:43,720
suicidal.
This person called 911 and said,

1857
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:47,640
Hey, I'm sorry, I'm you got to
like deal with this or whatever.

1858
01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:52,120
That's a little bit different.
That's just a, you know, hey,

1859
01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:55,560
I'm going to say don't do it.
And then next day, I don't know

1860
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:59,600
his a bill came out and he's
like, I'm not going to deal with

1861
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:01,480
this anymore.
You know, if his financial

1862
01:45:01,480 --> 01:45:02,680
issues or whatever, I don't
know.

1863
01:45:03,120 --> 01:45:06,440
I do think that there's
something to it.

1864
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:11,160
I don't think it's like a mass
kill off type thing.

1865
01:45:12,200 --> 01:45:17,200
I'm not certain exactly what to
think and I think that it.

1866
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:21,080
But I do think that when it
comes to the investigation that,

1867
01:45:21,480 --> 01:45:22,920
yeah, I was kind of funny
hearing.

1868
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:25,840
So the FBI is going to
investigate why they're the why

1869
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:29,280
the FBI is killing people.
That is.

1870
01:45:30,120 --> 01:45:35,320
A funny thought thing to think
about, but I mean.

1871
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:37,320
I need Jeff back in here.
I need people on my side.

1872
01:45:37,440 --> 01:45:40,160
This is correct.
I mean, it's at least someone's

1873
01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:43,080
gonna do it, I guess.
You know, versus it seems like

1874
01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:46,120
so many things are just so crazy
and that everyone's like, well,

1875
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:49,160
on to the next thing.
So I don't know, but I don't

1876
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:52,480
really, I'm not really going to
put any weight into any sort of

1877
01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:56,400
a discovery happening or or
anything coming out that's like

1878
01:45:56,600 --> 01:45:58,640
earth shattering.
Besides, the FBI is going to be

1879
01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:00,840
like, well, we don't know, you
know?

1880
01:46:02,480 --> 01:46:04,800
Weird.
So trust us, we looked into it

1881
01:46:04,960 --> 01:46:05,520
those.
Guys killed.

1882
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:10,960
We gave ourselves a really good
mid year bonus and we did some

1883
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:15,560
crazy investigating over the
last 17 hours and we've

1884
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:18,240
concluded that that we we don't
know so.

1885
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:22,680
Now, I will say, out of all the
cases that we've talked about,

1886
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:26,880
the Amy Eskridge one that we
talked about last week is by far

1887
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:31,240
the strangest of them all.
And I definitely think that

1888
01:46:31,240 --> 01:46:35,800
there is some really, really
strange things going on there,

1889
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:43,480
including foul play.
Yeah, I now the the Wilcox one,

1890
01:46:43,480 --> 01:46:46,760
I unfortunately just think that
this is a an unfortunate

1891
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:49,480
situation where the guy just
decided like, hey, I've had

1892
01:46:49,480 --> 01:46:51,440
enough.
It sucks.

1893
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:55,760
It does.
But the Amy Eskridge one, that

1894
01:46:55,760 --> 01:47:00,200
one, it's been a couple years
now, but that one is definitely

1895
01:47:02,240 --> 01:47:05,520
somebody really needs to look
into that particular case from

1896
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:06,520
my.
All right.

1897
01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:07,840
You guys ready for the outro
this is?

1898
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:10,080
A really suicide heavy episode.
This sucked.

1899
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:13,360
I know, I'm sorry.
Demonetized for sure.

1900
01:47:13,440 --> 01:47:14,520
Well.
I hope so, yeah.

1901
01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:17,600
All right, that's it for
tonight's episode.

1902
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:21,200
In Quick Hits, Dave Stratton, 16
year director of the

1903
01:47:21,200 --> 01:47:26,000
government's UAP program, saying
he has seen non human craft and

1904
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:30,080
non human beings, with a memoir
coming this year that promises

1905
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:34,640
to disclose all that can
lawfully be disclosed. 2X class

1906
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:38,520
solar flares this morning from
the same active sunspot region.

1907
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:41,800
Video blackouts and that region
rotating toward Earth.

1908
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:45,920
Avi Loeb's new paper linking
three I atlases, unexplained

1909
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:50,240
acceleration to its three
symmetrical jets with the

1910
01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:54,000
interstellar object now heading
towards Jupiter before leaving

1911
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:58,280
our solar system forever.
And AI discovering new laws of

1912
01:47:58,280 --> 01:48:01,840
physics by analyzing particle
data without being told what to

1913
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:05,000
look for.
A Class A Bigfoot sighting from

1914
01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:08,240
2 overnight workers in West
Virginia and Seth Breedlove

1915
01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:13,560
Bennington tribal documentary
dropping in a few days in

1916
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:16,800
briefing one we went to Mars.
Three independent lines of

1917
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:18,680
evidence in the same 10 day
window.

1918
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:21,960
The most diverse organic
chemistry ever found on another

1919
01:48:21,960 --> 01:48:26,640
planet, including a molecule
structurally similar to adna

1920
01:48:26,640 --> 01:48:29,360
precursor.
The mineral signature of an

1921
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:32,480
ancient lake bed where microbes
would thrive on earth.

1922
01:48:32,480 --> 01:48:35,880
And biological looking spider
web structures and egg like

1923
01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:39,120
nodules that two different
Rovers found on two different

1924
01:48:39,120 --> 01:48:42,200
locations that planetary
scientists say they currently

1925
01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:45,400
cannot explain.
None of it confirms life.

1926
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:48,800
All of it says we're getting
closer to knowing something.

1927
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:53,800
In briefing two, Trump signed an
executive order fast tracking

1928
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:57,880
psychedelic drug research with
Joe Rogan in the Oval Office,

1929
01:48:57,880 --> 01:49:01,960
$50 million in federal funding,
A pathway for ibogaine under the

1930
01:49:01,960 --> 01:49:05,880
right to try law.
FDA priority vouchers for three

1931
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:08,080
psychedelics potentially coming
next week.

1932
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:11,840
Veterans at the center of it.
And of course, there is the IRH

1933
01:49:11,880 --> 01:49:15,320
angle, which is that these are
the same substances that

1934
01:49:15,320 --> 01:49:17,960
researchers studying
consciousness, contact

1935
01:49:17,960 --> 01:49:22,560
experience and anomalous
cognition have been connecting

1936
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:26,040
to UAP encounter descriptions
for years.

1937
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:29,000
And in the deep dive, the
scientist story reached a new

1938
01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:31,920
inflection point.
The FBI formally announced it is

1939
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:36,200
spearheading the investigation.
House Oversight Chair James

1940
01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:41,320
Comer, who called it a crazy
conspiracy theory just days ago,

1941
01:49:41,640 --> 01:49:45,760
launched a full committee probe
with briefings demanded by April

1942
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:48,480
27th.
NASA said it is cooperating with

1943
01:49:48,480 --> 01:49:51,240
the relevant agencies.
David Wilcox, one of the most

1944
01:49:51,240 --> 01:49:55,520
prominent media voices in the
UAP disclosure community, died

1945
01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:58,840
on April 20th.
His family confirmed depression

1946
01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:01,960
and financial debt.
His final words on YouTube were

1947
01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:04,480
about people disappearing and
scientists going missing.

1948
01:50:04,680 --> 01:50:06,680
Trump's timeline expires this
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1949
01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:10,960
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01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:49,520
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1962
01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:52,280
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1963
01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:55,480
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1964
01:50:55,480 --> 01:50:58,720
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1965
01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:00,920
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1966
01:51:00,920 --> 01:51:04,920
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