IRH 276: Pentagon Silent, Fifth Force Found & Oklahoma Mauling

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Four weeks ago on this show we
told you the count of dead and

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missing American scientists
connected to advanced nuclear

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and aerospace programs was 5-3
weeks ago it was 9.

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Two weeks ago it was 10, or 11
if you count Amy Eskridge.

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Last week the FBI formally
announced it was spearheading A

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coordinated multi agency
investigation to find

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connections.
The House Oversight Committee

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gave the Pentagon DASA, the
Department of Energy, and the

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FBIA hard deadline of April 27th
to brief Congress or else April

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27th came and went.
Tonight, we'll tell you what

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happened.
Also this week, a physicist at

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NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory
published a paper in Physical

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Review D proposing that a fifth
force of nature may be hiding

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inside our own solar system,
concealed by a phenomenon that

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makes it invisible to every
instrument we've ever pointed at

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it.
The James Webb Space Telescope

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and Chandra X-ray Observatory
combined their data and saw

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inside a mysterious ancient
cosmic object.

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For what may be the first time
in in history, scientists

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completed the largest 3
dimensional map of the universe

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ever built, covering 11 billion
years of cosmic history across

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47 million galaxies.
And in rural Pittsburgh County,

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Oklahoma, a woman named Alicia
Maxey was attacked in the early

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morning hours of March 29th by
something that left a 38 year

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veteran sheriff saying he had
never seen injuries like this in

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his career.
The DNA came back as a domestic

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dog and that answer has raised
more questions than it answered.

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Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit
Hole.

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What's up everyone, I'm Jeremy
Sosha and you're listening to

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Infinite Rabbit Hole, your
weekly briefing on the

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unexplained.
Tonight I'm joined by my Co host

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Jake.
CJ is home with family tonight.

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We'll have him back next week.
Before we get into everything,

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if you haven't listened to
episode 275 yet, go back and

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check it out.
It's a project Jackalope audio

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documentary research written and
recorded by yours truly on the

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Exeter incident, highlighting
the infamous 19 65 UFO sighting

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over over Exeter, NH that became
one of the most thoroughly

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investigated and documented UAP
cases in American history.

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It dropped Thursday, April 30th
and it draws from the research

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in John G Fuller's book the
Exeter incident, unidentified

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flying objects over America.
Now, if you love UFO history,

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2 quick announcements first, my
book UF Elmwood is out now.

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It was released yesterday, 4th
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and Conference Center.
I'll be on the UAPNC E5

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your tickets.
Jake, what's up, dude?

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Bro I look up your book on
Amazon and the second one is

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Jeremy Sochen.
Basketball player.

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Yeah, yeah.
That's funny.

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Not, not the same person.
No, no, not a black NBA player.

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I'm not.
Oh.

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Nope.
Sorry man.

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OK, see how it is?
Well, I guess he's much.

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More famous than I am I.
Guess I'll return that book

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then.
No, I'm all right man.

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I had a really busy day, spent a
awful long time outside because

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I'm being worked into the ground
at work.

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So I needed a day where I wasn't
just sitting in front of the TV

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wasting my only day off.
So I got outside, planted some

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fruit trees, dug a hole for
Whitney for her tree, cut up

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some firewood for us to spend
some nights together when I'm am

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off doing some fire pit type of
stuff.

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So yeah, it was good.
I'm just worn out.

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I took a nap and it didn't
satisfy and I woke up wiped out.

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So here I am and my hair is all
poofy today, so I was.

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Going to say man your hair is
crazy today.

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It's freshly washed, so it's all
poofy and stuff.

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So clean.
Long bouncy curls.

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I'll put a, I'll put a beanie on
here in the middle of the show

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and smash it down against my
head.

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I've been doing this look lately
where I, I take Whitney's brush

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actually, and I brush it out.
So I brush all the curls out and

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I pull it back and I look like a
filthy, dirty redneck and I

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can't get enough of it.
I like I should have, I should

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have gone with it and gone the
full handlebars.

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Like I thought about it.
I just shaved my beard off right

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in the middle and then the sides
and I had like the Paul Senior

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freaking handlebars going all
the way down.

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And I looked at myself.
I was like, like, it's not a bad

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look.
And I sent it to Whitney.

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She's like, and I was like, all
right, so not that then.

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But honestly I should have just
gone for it.

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Yeah, who cares what she thinks?
Dude, I, I told her straight up,

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I'm not cutting my hair for two
years, so we'll just see how

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this goes.
So I.

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Like it I'll.
Be the one in the group that has

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the long hair.
Terrible beard but the long hair

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so it'll work I.
Take it, man.

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Yeah, I don't know if I showed
it off last, last episode, but

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my book, this is the proof copy.
So it's not for resale, as you

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can see on the little stamp
there.

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And then the actual book is
matte.

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It's not this shiny, glossy
look, but that's it.

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Look at this, look at this,
everybody.

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Look at all that.
That's all right.

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Oh, did you see a picture of
Jake Ritter?

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I did.
So the only thing I'm seeing is

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the Kindle version.
That's all that's available for

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pre-order.
So for anybody listening, we're

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actually recording this Friday,
May 1st.

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The book comes out May 4th,
which is a Monday.

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The episode releases on a
Tuesday.

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So when I wrote the script, I
wrote it saying that it was out

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yesterday, so that when people
listen to this episode, they're

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like, oh, it's out.
And it's it wasn't necessarily

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for you.
Yeah.

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Dude, I'm like so zonked out
with how much I work.

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I just, I don't even realize
what date it is.

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It's crazy that we're already in
May, but it is only May 1st.

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I know you said May 4th, but I
just completely zoned out on it

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and I was just like, yeah,
that's now like.

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Nope, not yet, man.
Almost.

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Almost for us, but for the
people listening, it's out.

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This year is flying by.
Dude, it is it it is.

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It helps.
That we can look forward to a

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disaster or a catastrophic
emergency every week.

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So it's like, oh, what's on the
bingo card this week?

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What's What kind of bullshit is
Jeremy going to say this week?

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No, we're only eight months away
from Christmas.

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Yeah, that's wild.
Definitely.

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I told Whitney.
It's like I saw, I don't know,

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maybe a couple weeks ago I saw
the the lawn started coming in.

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I actually mowed it for the
first time today.

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It wasn't quite long enough to
cut.

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Still got out there on the on
the mower.

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I was like looking, I was seeing
all the buds coming up on the

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trees and everything.
And I was like, man, I've got

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the sickness.
And she's like, what do you

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mean?
I was like, I keep thinking

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about this coming deer season.
I got the sickness from the

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Midwest.
I'm just like, I'm like, oh,

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nice weather's getting warm.
Deer season's three months away,

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four months away.
Just I've got it, I've got the

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items, He.
Has integrated into Wisconsin.

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That's.
Right, September 13th.

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When's that?
A few months away.

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I love it man.
You ready for some quick hits

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bud?
Yep, let's go for it.

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All right, before we get into
our main stories tonight, let's

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run through our weekly quick
hits, our rapid roundup of the

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stories from the last 10 days
that deserve your attention,

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even if we don't have time to go
deep on them.

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So let's go.
The House Oversight Committee

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April 27th deadline has passed
the FBI, NASA, and the

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Department of Energy, as well as
the Pentagon.

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We're all required to provide
staff level briefings to the

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Committee on the Deaths and
Disappearances of AT E 11

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individuals connected to
classified nuclear and aerospace

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research.
Here is what the public records

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show.
The Department of War responded

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before the briefings even took
place, confirming there are no

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active national security
investigations of any reported

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missing person who was a current
or former clearance holder in

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special access programs.
The committee said that answer

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left them with many unanswered
questions.

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NASA's spokesperson posted that
nothing related to NASA

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indicates a national security
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The Department of Energy pointed
to a Fox News interview where

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Secretary Chris Wright confirmed
a coordinated investigation is

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underway.
The FBI has not updated its

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public statement beyond Director
Kash Patel's pre deadline

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comment that if connections to
nefarious conduct are found,

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arrests will be made.
Trump's own week and a half

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timeline has expired.
The White House has not updated

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its formal statement.
The investigations, well,

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they're real, they are ongoing,
and the agencies are not talking

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publicly about what they found.
Don't worry, we'll keep

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watching.
Moving on.

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On April 25th, researchers
published new findings

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suggesting that gravitational
waves, or ripples in space-time,

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may have done something far more
significant than simply echo

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through the early universe in
the chaotic first moments after

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The Big Bang.
Those ripples may have actively

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manufactured dark matter itself.
The mechanism proposed is that

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gravitational wave production in
that earliest window could have

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generated particles that became
dark matter, the invisible

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substance that makes up about
27% of the universe that we have

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never directly detected, that we
only know exists because of its

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gravitational effect on
everything around it.

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We have been searching for dark
matter for decades.

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This week, a team of researchers
suggested may have been made by

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the universe's own heartbeat at
the moment of its birth.

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Moving on, a major physics
experiment published findings

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this week showing evidence for a
strange new form of matter, a

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fleeting particle that gets
temporarily trapped inside an

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atomic nucleus rather than
passing through it.

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The exotic state is described as
a particle becoming briefly

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bound to the nucleus in a way
that has never been observed

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before.
The researchers believe it may

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help reveal something, well,
fundamental how matter gets its

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mass.
The Higgs boson, discovered in

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2012, explained how particles
require mass through the Higgs

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field.
What this new exotic state may

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reveal is the next layer down,
the mechanism inside the nucleus

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itself.
Don't confuse the two.

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These are two separate pieces of
the mass puzzle.

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In two separate decades from 2
separate physics experiments,

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both helped to complete this
particular picture.

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Moving on, a group of
undergraduate students built

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their own dark matter detector.
Not a simulation, not a model.

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A working physical detector
assembled with limited resources

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and a lot of ingenuity, capable
of probing one of the deepest

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unsolved problems in physics.
They use it to set constraints

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on what dark matter can and
cannot be, which is exactly what

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the large professional
experiments do.

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Just with teams of hundreds and
budgets in the hundreds of

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millions.
The fact that the barrier to

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entry for dark matter detection
has dropped a level of a well

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motivated undergraduate team is
one of the stranger developments

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in physics this week and worth
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So, Jake, Congressional
briefings that produce no public

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answer.
Dark matter made by

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gravitational waves, a particle
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might explain how matter has
mass in undergrads building dark

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matter detectors in their spare
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What's sticking with you before
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It's going to be interesting
trying to say we found dark

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matter when it's invisible,
yeah.

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Yes.
I, I heard a podcast today

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actually while I was doing yard
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the age that we're in right now
with as great as the Internet is

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like honestly, like you could go
and become an expert in quantum

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physics without ever taking a
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because of the information
that's on the Internet at 100

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disposable at your fingertips
through your phone or through

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your computer or whatever it is.
Or you could get in some really

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dark, terrible things and spend
the rest of your life in prison

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because the Internet has all
flavors for all people but that.

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You know, at this point it's
just it's people's own fault if

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they are, I guess, ignorant on
like they use different words,

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but to paraphrase it, it's
people's own fault if they

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remain ignorant on certain
topics, which is absolutely

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true.
I know nothing about dark matter

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and I probably will go the rest
of my life without knowing

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anything more substantial about
dark matter besides that it's

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invisible when it creates its
own magnetic field, but or its

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own gravitational field rather.
But interesting.

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I like that a group of
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their own dark matter detector.
It kind of goes to show that

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with ingenuity and the will to
do something like there's really

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nothing stopping besides a
tremendous amount of money.

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But there's really nothing
stopping us from say like making

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our own rocket that breaches
through the atmosphere to, you

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know, prove that the Earth is
either round or flat, you know,

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type stuff.
We don't have to rely on NASA

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and certainly that's why we have
companies like SpaceX and oh, I

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think there's a couple more, but
that are doing their own

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rocketeering and stuff.
I mean, shoot, freaking was it

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Jeff Bezos, his own Wiener
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But yes.
It does.

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But, you know, it's just like we
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We don't have to rely on the
experts, which is basically just

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a company that was founded, you
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And they have a tremendous
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But yeah, I mean, that's cool.
I'm not certain what they're

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looking for or if they'll find
it, but that is cool that if

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they say they did it, I mean, I
am not in the position to be

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like, that's impossible.
There's no way you figured that

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one out because I don't even
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But yeah, we should get on it.
We should make our own space

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program if a rabbit hole space.
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Then we'll definitely be called
Chills.

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Yeah.
All right, so let me try to

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explain Dark matter.
Give me like, I don't know, 2

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minutes.
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OK, imagine you're looking at a
massive spinning carousel at

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night, right?
You can see the brightly lit

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horses and the glowing center
pole whirling around.

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But something's wrong.
Based on how fast that carousel

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is spinning, the horse or the
horses should be flying off into

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the darkness, right?
And that's, that's kind of like

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the Gravitron, the the carnival,
right, Right.

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Where you sticking up against
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Yeah, right.
The world or whatever, sure.

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So the only reason that they
aren't is because something you

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can't see, like invisible cables
perhaps, right?

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The pole that goes straight
through the horse and a

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carousel, you can't see the
pole, right?

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You can see the massive thing in
the middle that's spinning

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around and you can see the
horses just kind of spinning

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around, but you can't tell that
they're attached to the carousel

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in any way.
And because it's spinning, you

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can, or you, you would think
that those horses would just

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expel off into all kinds of
whatever, right?

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Just fly off.
That is exactly what astronomers

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see when they look at our
universe, right?

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When we observe galaxies, the
stars at the very edges are

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orbiting the center way too
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Based on all the stuff we can
see, stars, gas, planets, there

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isn't enough gravity to keep
them tucked in, stuck there.

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By all accounts, galaxies should
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But they aren't, right?
We call this missing glue dark

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matter.
It doesn't emit sword reflect

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light, which makes it invisible
to every telescope we've ever

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built.
We can't see it, but we know

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it's there because we can see
its gravity tugging on the

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things we we can see.
Dark matter isn't just a small

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part of the story, either.
Everything we've ever cataloged,

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everything, every star in every
Galaxy and every atom in your

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body makes up only about 5% of
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Dark matter makes up roughly
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The rest, that's dark energy.
And we do get into that a little

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bit tonight, but that's but
explaining dark energy is a

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whole another rabbit hole for
for a whole another day.

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So 5%, twenty, 7%, that's 32% of
all of existence that we know of

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is dark matter or physical
matter that we see where the

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rest of it is dark energy.
We'll dive into that another

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day.
I'm not going to do that right

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now.
That's that's a lot.

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So just to kind of talk back
into that real quick, we kind of

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talked about it, I believe on
the last episode we talked about

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lensing, gravitational lensing
where it was about the the

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Galaxy that was extremely far
away, but we were able to see it

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due to gravitational lensing
from other galaxies between us

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and them.
So gravity of dark matter

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actually bends the light from
distant stars behind it and it

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kind of gives off this
magnifying glass effect in the

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space that it's in.
And that's another way that we

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can kind of identify dark
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And then if, if you want to look
at dark matter, like what's the

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purpose of it?
It's sort of like scaffolding

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for the universe, right?
It's, it's, it's really tough to

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explain.
Maybe scaffolding is kind of the

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the wrong way to to describe it.
Just noticed my light wasn't on,

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now it is.
Hold on a second come.

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On do them Googles, boy.
Yeah, right.

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Do you want me to go ahead and
do briefing one?

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No.
OK.

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OK, so there's a passage in the
Bible that talks about the end

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times and it talks about when
the earth or the entire what we

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know as the universe is
destroyed essentially.

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And since second Peter, it's
3:10 and it says the heavens

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will pass away with a roar, and
the elements will be destroyed

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with intense heat, and the earth
and its works will be burned up.

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What if the dark matter is not a
thing that can be observed, and

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instead it's the simple fact
that God is holding things

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together that shouldn't be held
together.

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And then at the end, for no
reason other than because we'll

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never be able to reach these
other places and they're just

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there for the end, he just says
no more and they just blow

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apart.
Entire universe just bam done

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because everything just gone
from that, that motion that is

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no longer being held in place.
And this is this is science

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observing that and being like,
well, something has to be

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holding this spinning carousel
of planet and stars and

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everything together.
But we can't observe it.

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And it's not until at the very
end, it's just like, they

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observe this thing and then
like, oh, and then the universe

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is gone and just freaking
vaporized by that amount of

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force of things just colliding
into each other.

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Yeah.
I just making one thing clear

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for like the listeners, right?
The script is very often I would

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say 99.9 it's always written by
me right?

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It there is no .01%, Jake
doesn't write anything.

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CJ doesn't write anything I.
Don't know how to write, so

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there's that.
He doesn't know how to read

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either.
Yeah, well, he's going to buy my

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book, but he doesn't know how to
read just.

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Going to have it just because it
has my name in it.

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I can pick out the symbols like.
What was I just talking about?

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So when I write things, I write
it from the point of view of, of

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how I relate to things, right?
And I, I understand things.

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So that's part of the reason why
I surround myself with Jake, CJ

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and Jeff is because they can do
the same thing from their point

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of views.
And I, I like that.

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I like building infinite rabbit
hole off of that basis because

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it doesn't create that tunnel
vision, right?

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I like hearing other
perspectives.

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I like hearing that you were
able to hear something that I

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wrote up from a scientific point
of view, and we're able to take

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it and look at it from a
creationist point of view now.

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I like that, man.
I like that people are gonna be

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listening to this and they're
gonna be like, well, that's my

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point of view.
That's something that rings with

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me.
Yeah, right.

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Sure.
I like that.

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Like that.
The other side of that is that

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with the other thing I've heard
about that the heavens will pass

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away with a roar and be like, so
what's the sound that's created

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when an atom is split in half?
A blast.

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A big old.
Boom.

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It's like that sounds like a
pretty big roar.

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If all the elements pass away,
everything is destroyed.

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That sounds like a lot of
splitting atoms.

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So it's like, you know, there's
other things that that's been.

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But yeah, when you were saying
that, I was just like, I was

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like, huh, that sounds like it's
meant for a purpose because

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eventually that system will
fail.

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And if that system fails or that
whatever it is fails to do with

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the job that it's doing, that
has catastrophic implications

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because it's not just like a
distant far off Galaxy.

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That just doesn't mean anything.
If it's 27% or 32% of the

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everything, then there could be
one of those in the next star

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system that's right next to us
that we just don't know, right?

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Because it can't be observed
unless you observe the action of

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the things around it, right?
It's like a way, it sounds to

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me.
It's like a, it's like a rock

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and a river, but the river is
muddy.

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You can't see the rock, but you
can see what it's doing to the

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water around it.
You could see the water

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vortexing around it and stuff.
It's a.

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Good.
That's a great analogy We.

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Can say, We can say once we have
the ability to observe it, we go

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into the water, we put our hand
in it, We can feel, oh, there's

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a rock stirring up the current.
But until that happens, all we

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can see is the reaction of the
visible thing around it, the

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water.
We just don't have the ability

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to see the rock right now.
And what is going on?

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I get it.
I.

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Think you may really, really
like my deep dive tonight?

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Yeah, I do.
I do because I you were, you're

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really explaining something that
I caught on to with almost every

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topic from this week's episode.
Because this week's episode is

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very science heavy.
It really, really is.

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But I ground it a little bit in
the deep dive, and I do the deep

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dive a little different this
week.

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It's unique.
I think you'll like it.

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You're ready for Briefing 1 so
we can get there faster.

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Yeah, all.
Right.

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It's like, it's like, oh, well,
if you go to bed now, you'll be

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able to go to Disneyland faster.
It's like, OK, all right.

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Let's do it.
Give me that melatonin, yeah?

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All.
Right, all right, let's get into

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our first briefing.
Three stories this week in our

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first briefing, all pointing at
the same question, How much of

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the universe is invisible to us?
And are we finally getting close

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to finding it?
The first the JPL or the Jet

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Propulsion Laboratory physicist
Slava Turishev, published in

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Physical Review D proposing that
a fifth force of nature may be

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hiding in our own solar system
right now.

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Scientists already know the
universe behaves strangely at

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cosmic scales.
Galaxies spin too fast.

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Expansion accelerates fast.
Structures form in ways standard

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physics can't explain.
The go to answers are dark

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matter and dark energy.
But inside our solar system,

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00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:28,400
none of that strange disappears.
Planetary orbits match Einstein

455
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,920
perfectly.
Spacecraft trajectories are

456
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,920
flawless, no deviation anywhere.
Scientists call this the great

457
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,960
disconnect.
Turichev's argument is that the

458
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,200
force doesn't vanish locally.
It hides, suppressed by by a

459
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,560
phenomenon called screening that
makes it shrink to traces too

460
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,640
faint for any instrument we've
built.

461
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,760
He's calling for a dedicated
solar system mission to find

462
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,000
those traces.
We may have been walking past a

463
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,200
hidden force of nature the
entire time without instruments

464
00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:04,560
sensitive enough to notice the
second NASA combined JWST, which

465
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:09,160
is the James Webb Space
Telescope and the Chandra X-ray

466
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,240
Observatory, to find the first
little red dot ever detected in

467
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,480
X-rays.
Little red dots are JWST's

468
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,200
deepest mystery.
Hundreds of ancient and possibly

469
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,000
dense objects from the early
universe that should emit X-rays

470
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:29,200
if they're super massive black
holes, but don't this one does,

471
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,000
the Max Planck Institute lead
researcher said.

472
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:37,760
Quote this single X-ray object
may be what lets us connect all

473
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,360
the dots.
The theory A black hole

474
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:43,320
consuming its surrounding gas
cloud, punching holes in it,

475
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,880
letting X-rays escape for the
first time.

476
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,360
If correct, it's the first time
we've seen inside one of these

477
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:53,400
objects in a window into how the
universe's first super massive

478
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,880
black holes were born.
The third, the Dark Energy

479
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:01,360
Spectroscopic Instrument,
completed its five year mission.

480
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:06,400
47 million galaxies were mapped,
6 times more than all previous

481
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,960
surveys combined, covering 11
billion years of cosmic history.

482
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,920
The data is already hinting that
dark energy may be weakening

483
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,480
overtime rather than holding
constant.

484
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:22,240
If that holds when the full data
set is processed in 2027, it

485
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,000
requires A fundamental revision
of physics.

486
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,880
So, Jake, I know this, this was
quite heavy on science and

487
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,200
astronomy.
Hidden 5th force in our solar

488
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,760
system, the first X-ray glimpse
inside a cosmic object that's

489
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:40,400
been baffling astronomers since
JWST launch, and the largest map

490
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,000
the universe ever built, already
hinting that dark energy is

491
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,680
weakening.
All in the same week.

492
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,440
Well, of course dark energy is
weakening because the law of

493
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:53,720
thermodynamics, it can't be
constant because this all came

494
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,120
from somewhere.
Call it call it God, call it The

495
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,400
Big Bang.
It all started somewhere.

496
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,560
So energy has to be dissipating
over time.

497
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,320
It can't just be a constant,
right?

498
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,240
Look.
At you using big boards like the

499
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,080
law of thermodynamics.
Well, I mean, that's like that's

500
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,280
like the number one jab at
scientists when they're like,

501
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,440
oh, the Earth is, you know, 100
or the solar system of the

502
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,400
universe is hundreds of billions
of years old.

503
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:26,040
It's like not according to half
lives in thermodynamics.

504
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,240
It's not, you know, it's not
that old, you know.

505
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,720
So it's like, I, I hear this a
lot, but I mean, well, they

506
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,600
better get on to it to figure
out what it is and how to

507
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,320
observe it because it might be
gone by the time they finally

508
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,080
get off their couches and do
something, you know?

509
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,280
Yeah.
Well, but.

510
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:49,080
Also, I the the curiosity would
be what exactly?

511
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,040
So we know what dark matter
does, but what exactly is the

512
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,920
purpose?
Because things don't exist

513
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,840
without a purpose unless it's
your wisdom teeth or your, you

514
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:05,320
know, whatever your pancreas,
but whatever, what is the

515
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:10,360
purpose and the thing that dark
energy is doing that will have

516
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:16,280
consequences as it weakens like.
So I actually, I'm not a huge

517
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:23,040
fan of the term dark being used
in these terms because when

518
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,040
people hear that, the first
thing that they, they think is

519
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,680
darkness, right?
Black, which is true.

520
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,680
When you look out in the space,
what you see, you see black,

521
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:33,280
right?
Sure.

522
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,360
But really what they should,
they should find a term that

523
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:44,080
kind of utilizes a lack of
instead of darkness.

524
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:52,080
So where dark matter is a lack
of matter that we can see, it's

525
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,960
not necessarily that it's dark.
It's not black like the infinite

526
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,240
face.
Yeah.

527
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,320
We just we can't see it.
We can't detect it.

528
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:06,000
So going into dark energy, I'll
give a really brief explanation.

529
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,400
Stop me if it doesn't make
sense.

530
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,200
I'm going to do my best to
lamanize this for for you guys.

531
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,800
For decades, right.
Cosmologists believe that the

532
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,680
expansion of the universe.
All right, you lost.

533
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,080
True that.
Triggered triggered by The Big

534
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,280
Bang would eventually slow down
right?

535
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,920
You would think an explosion
eventually everything slows down

536
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,320
and that would they blamed it on
the inward pole of gravity.

537
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:39,200
So as matter was expelling each
and every individual

538
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:44,360
gravitational spot, whether it
be see a noticeable matter that

539
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:49,560
we can notice, or dark matter or
lack of matter that we can't

540
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,160
detect, all of that would use
its gravitational force and

541
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,680
slowly start slow the expansion
of the universe.

542
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:03,800
However, in 1990, it's In the
late 1990s, observations of a

543
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,320
distant Type IA supernovae
revealed the opposite.

544
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,600
The expansion of the universe is
actually accelerating, right?

545
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,880
Dark energy is the name given to
the unknown force or property of

546
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,840
space that is driving this
acceleration outwards, right?

547
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,600
It acts as a repulsive pressure,
pushing galaxies away from one

548
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,000
another at increasingly higher
velocities.

549
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,320
So where you would think after
an explosion, eventually things

550
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,920
would slow down, that's not
what's happening.

551
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,760
They get they're getting faster
so well.

552
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,720
In space, there's nothing to
slow them down.

553
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:41,960
There's no.
Correct.

554
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,000
But there's also, but there's,
but there's also nothing to

555
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,520
speed them up, right?
There's no, there's no thrust

556
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,280
added to it.
And even if there was

557
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,720
necessarily thrust, there's
nothing to push off of.

558
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,280
The reason why the compression
engines of of fighter jets work

559
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:04,480
so well the suck squeeze, bang,
blow method is because when it X

560
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:09,320
goes out the exhaust, it pushes
against the density of air and

561
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,400
propels the jet forward.
The whole propulsion thing in

562
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,280
space is much different than
that.

563
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,720
It it, it, it doesn't work
exactly the same.

564
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,280
And I, again, I'm not going to
get into that because it's just

565
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,600
another rabbit hole to go down
and it's a trap that I'm seeing

566
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,560
right now.
Although after the next thing I

567
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,440
might tell you when you're like.
Breaking the door open, you're

568
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,800
like, oh, I shouldn't.
Pretty nice.

569
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:47,120
So whatever this dark energy is,
and again, it's not that it's

570
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,160
black energy, it's not that it's
darkness energy or that it's a

571
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,800
shade of color, it's literally
an energy that we lack

572
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,720
perception of.
That's the real description of

573
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,640
dark energy.
We don't know what the fuck it

574
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,040
is.
Dark Energy in Dark Matter to me

575
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,600
sounds like some nerd Marvel
stuff.

576
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:13,040
It is so.
It is literally our explanation

577
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,000
for answers or for questions we
can't answer.

578
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,120
What?
What is holding things together?

579
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,639
Well, the way that we understand
things in a vacuum.

580
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,639
Objects in a vacuum attract
other objects in a vacuum, the

581
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:28,600
bigger the object, the more
dense the object, the more

582
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,520
gravitational force.
Again, this is where you know,

583
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,719
I've said this many times on
this on this show.

584
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,760
Gravity is technically a theory,
right?

585
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,840
It's not a proven thing.
Although most of our physics is

586
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:46,679
based off of the realization
that gravity exists, it isn't

587
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:50,520
necessarily proven, right.
We have a concept of gravity.

588
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,320
We don't have a law of gravity.
There is no law of gravity.

589
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,760
So dark matter and dark energy
are just our way of answering

590
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,480
question or answering questions
that we don't have answers to.

591
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,560
Why is matter magnetized to each
other?

592
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:13,560
And I use the word magnetized to
kind of sure, you know, yeah, to

593
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:19,040
compare with gravity.
And why does when a when a

594
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:24,360
Galaxy spins so fast, it doesn't
expel star systems out in every

595
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,280
direction, while there must be
some sort of gravitational

596
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,120
force?
We know that objects in space

597
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,040
create a gravitational force.
So there must be some matter

598
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,360
because matter makes up the
objects in space.

599
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,880
We call it dark matter because
we can't see it, but really it's

600
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,760
just a lack of matter that's
affecting things like matter in

601
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,560
our best definition of physics,
right?

602
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,400
Energy is doing the exact same
thing.

603
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,080
Why is everything getting
faster?

604
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:57,960
We don't fucking know, right?
So it's got an energy to it, but

605
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,000
we don't know what's, what's the
energy?

606
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,680
What's the fuel?
What's the Is that even too much

607
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,640
of A layman's way to look at it?
Is there even a fuel to

608
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,840
consider?
It's pretty wild stuff.

609
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,840
I love physics.
I've loved physics for pretty

610
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,040
much my whole life.
I've been a nerd since I was a

611
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,800
kid.
And the fact that we have these

612
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:25,120
questions still is amazing.
And I, I can't wait to get into

613
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,640
the deep dive.
I really can't, man, because I

614
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:28,520
think you're going to like it.
I.

615
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,360
Mean it's not that far out
because we're we often talk

616
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:37,200
about UFOs and UFOs seem to be
like if it was possible.

617
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,200
Boy, you better not have looked
at that deep dive.

618
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:47,320
No, if it was possible that the
UAP or UFO would could exist, it

619
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,360
would make the most sense for it
to be in a saucer shape because

620
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:55,920
in that form it looks like a big
electromagnet, like it's a core

621
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:02,480
of copper wires with a spinny
section that has magnets and

622
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,640
it's creating its own
gravitational electromagnetic

623
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,360
field, right?
And then it's like a.

624
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:08,840
Rotor sear system.
Yeah.

625
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,040
And then it's just, mate,
probably using the Earth's

626
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,360
magnetic or gravitational field
to then move around, right.

627
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,520
So I mean, if we talk about
stuff like that and then talking

628
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,520
about stuff like this, really
they kind of go hand in hand in

629
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,160
the sun in the kind of like
weird science thing.

630
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,440
Yeah, just kind of they Co.
Fringe fringe science man.

631
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,160
That's just coexist though.
Like there they are, you know,

632
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,320
So yeah, I mean, I'm here for
it.

633
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,120
It's it's a it's a far out
concept if you never think about

634
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,080
it or, or it doesn't.
It's not something that I ever

635
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,080
come across.
But you do a good job of

636
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,640
explaining it.
And I'm as the ambassador of the

637
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,800
layman's.
I can say that I forgot what

638
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,720
you're saying.
I picked up what you're did you.

639
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:52,680
Yeah.
Good.

640
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,000
Good, good.
Because I'm, I, I didn't like,

641
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,880
I've specifically left like
definitions out of this week's

642
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,280
episode because I didn't think I
could explain it in a way that

643
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,560
made sense.
So that's good.

644
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,040
I did it on a whim.
Like I just looked for could a

645
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,520
UFO be a big Magneto?
Because a Magneto is a portion

646
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,680
in an engine that I don't know
if I can explain this right, but

647
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,840
it's basically it uses the dying
energy of a magnet to create

648
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,080
energy.
It's like it's super weird.

649
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,400
But like even the guys that I
work with that are like been AMP

650
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,480
mechanics for for years and
years and years.

651
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,400
You're like, Hey, how does a
magnet at work?

652
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,280
They tried teaching me in
school, but I don't know, like,

653
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,280
you know.
All right, man, you ready for

654
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,160
briefing too?
Yeah, this one's a little

655
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,080
different.
I, I couldn't pass this one up

656
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:50,280
because we don't get a lot of
really good Cryptid stories, and

657
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,960
I will admit this one's kind of
reaching right, but it's been

658
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,440
picked up by a lot of crypted
communities, so I felt like we

659
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,120
should touch base on it.
All right, second briefing

660
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,240
tonight and this one is in a
lane we don't visit often enough

661
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,560
on IRH.
In the early morning hours of

662
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:14,280
March 29th, 2026, a 38 year old
woman named Alicia Maxey drove

663
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,880
out to a remote property in
Blanco, OK, a rural community

664
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,880
about 14 miles South of
McAllister in Pittsburgh County.

665
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,600
She was there, according to her
family, to inquire about a

666
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,720
farmhand job.
She pulled up to the gate gout,

667
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,360
got out of her vehicle, heard a
deep growl, and was pounced on

668
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,920
and knocked to the ground.
She was found unconscious

669
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,720
roughly an hour later by the
home owner and EMT, who began

670
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:45,800
life saving measures until she
could be airlifted to Saint

671
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,680
John's Hospital in Tulsa.
She has since undergone multiple

672
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,280
surgeries to treat extensive
wounds to her face, arms and

673
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,920
legs from her hospital bed, she
told FOX 23 Quote, I'm in too

674
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,400
much pain to say anything right
now.

675
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,120
Pittsburgh County Sheriff
Frankie McClendon, 38 years in

676
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:07,520
law enforcement, said publicly
that in all those years he had

677
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,920
never seen injuries to this
extent caused by a wild animal.

678
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,600
His office brought in Oklahoma
Wildlife Services, The victims

679
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,840
ripped clothes was sent to the
College of Veterinary Medicine

680
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,920
at the University of Florida for
DNA analysis and on April 16th

681
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,760
the results came back consistent
with the domestic dog.

682
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,720
The sheriff then swab 2 of the
three dogs belonging to the

683
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:31,520
property owner and sent those
samples to the same lab for

684
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,760
comparison and those results
have not been released as of

685
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,760
tonight.
Here is where the story gets

686
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,960
complicated.
The property owner told

687
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,840
investigators that no farm hand
job had ever been posted, so the

688
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,320
reason Alicia was there has not
been explained.

689
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,320
Her sister-in-law noted that
Alicia described the creature as

690
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,200
dog like, but was not certain it
was a dog.

691
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:56,160
The GoFundMe set up for the
family mentions a possible

692
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,840
gunshot heard at the scene, a
detail investigators have never

693
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,240
publicly addressed.
And then there is the sheriff's

694
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:07,360
own statement. 38 years, never
seen injuries like this from

695
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,640
wild animal.
That is not how a veteran law

696
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,840
enforcement officer typically
describes a domestic dog attack.

697
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,520
The Cryptid community landed on
this fast.

698
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:18,640
The attack spread on TikTok as a
possible dog man encounter a

699
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,800
large upright canine creature in
the folklore of various areas of

700
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,960
the United States.
Someone claimed it happened

701
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,120
during a full moon, but it
didn't.

702
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,640
The dog man angle spread.
ANYWAYS, this show is not going

703
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,360
to use Alicia Maxey's real
trauma as a monster hook, but we

704
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,640
are going to say plainly the
comparison DNA was matched as

705
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,720
belonging to a domestic dog.
The reason she was on that

706
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:45,000
property is unexplained, a
possible gunshot at the scene

707
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,640
has never been publicly
addressed, and the sheriff's own

708
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,040
description of her injuries does
not fit a domestic dog attack in

709
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,560
any straightforward way.
Pittsburgh County sits in a

710
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:59,720
region with confirmed Mountain
Lion presence and decades of

711
00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:01,920
large unidentified animal
sightings.

712
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,840
The investigation is ongoing.
This case is not yet closed.

713
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:10,520
So Jake Dreesen like anything a
38 year old or a 38 year sheriff

714
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,320
had ever seen.
Adna result that says domestic

715
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,520
dog a missing explanation for
why she was even there and

716
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,400
comparison results that haven't
come back yet.

717
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:23,120
Where does this sit with you?
Have you seen Tom the dog on

718
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,640
TikTok or Instagram or YouTube
or anything like that?

719
00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:31,800
It sounds like a case of being
attacked by Tom.

720
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,960
The dog can.
We bring up a picture of this

721
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,000
Tom the dog.
Yeah, let me let me share my

722
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,880
screen.
Hopefully you'll be able to hear

723
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,600
it.
This is a Instagram reel.

724
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,040
Oh, yes, I have seen this guy.
What?

725
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,360
Look at him.
I've seen him.

726
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:52,360
Yeah.
I can't.

727
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:53,880
I can't hear the real.
Oh, he.

728
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,480
Said he said what type type of
dog is Tom?

729
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,560
Is that the skinwalker kind?
And he's just like the owner's

730
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,320
like Tom, come on boy.
Tom doesn't like the doggy door

731
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,200
and then it just creeps in like
that.

732
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,440
That sounds like she got
attacked by Tom the dog.

733
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,080
It looked Tom looks like AI.
Tom might be AI.

734
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:20,520
Tom might not be AI.
It remains to be seen, but you

735
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,440
know, definitely be interested
to see what happens when the DNA

736
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,360
results come back from the the
dogs on the property.

737
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,040
Animal attacks are freaking
vicious and from what I can say

738
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,640
is that since some circumstances
getting attacked by a wild

739
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,800
animal is way more scary to me
than being attacked by a person.

740
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:46,160
Like I I pulled out my concealed
carry one time in the probably

741
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,800
10 years that I've had it.
And it was because I watched a

742
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,520
Pitbull scale A6 foot chain like
fence and come running at

743
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,040
Whitney from across the street.
And I pulled her and our and

744
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,640
Fred when he was a baby, pulled
her and Fred behind me pulled

745
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,960
out my handgun and put it right
in this dog's face on my front

746
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:01,880
lawn.
And the owner freaked out.

747
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,240
Oh my gosh, don't shoot my dog.
And this thing was freaking like

748
00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:08,440
just crazed and it scared the
absolute crap out of me.

749
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,480
I was like I'm going to watch my
wife get mauled to death in my

750
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,240
front yard right?
Could have been any breed but it

751
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:16,240
was a Pitbull so I mean it is
what it is.

752
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:18,320
I like pitbulls though.
They got big boxy heads.

753
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,800
That being said though, animal
attacks.

754
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,400
Dog attacks are crazy.
I can see why.

755
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:33,440
Although I can see why the the
cryptic community would jump on

756
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,960
this for a dog man attack.
I'm going to say that it's less

757
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:42,200
likely because of the domestic
dog ruling on the DNA samples,

758
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:46,880
although, although if they come
back and say like, yeah, it was

759
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,320
a, it was a, you know, golden
retriever, I'm going to be like,

760
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,720
no, that was a dog man.
Then just covering up at this

761
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:58,200
point, right.
Common farm dogs, shepherds,

762
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:06,080
trevers, and that's about it.
Like, you know, so I don't know.

763
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:14,160
So two things it it does seem
that Tom the dog is AI it that's

764
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,320
what people is telling me just.
Cracking a joke, no.

765
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,240
No, no, I know.
I get it.

766
00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:22,280
I just, I, I had to look because
it, it, it is real.

767
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,080
It's a very unique dog.
Totally buy one.

768
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:33,440
The reason why I included this
today was because it was so

769
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,200
popular this week.
Everyone was talking about it.

770
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,720
This happened late March, not in
April, right?

771
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:44,120
So the reason why I included it
was because the the DNA results

772
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,960
came back this week.
That's what put this back into

773
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,440
the spotlight and people were
talking about it as a dog man

774
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,960
encounter.
I just wanted a chance to say

775
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,320
like, listen, guys, I get it,
right?

776
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,600
She had some pretty aggressive
injuries.

777
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:07,120
It's most likely a dog, yes.
She probably got attacked.

778
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,160
Didn't really quite understand
where she was when it happened.

779
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:15,720
It's a very upsetting story.
I hope that she comes out of

780
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:18,160
this OK.
It does seem like she's going to

781
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:23,240
be doing better soon which is
good but if I had to say it is

782
00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:27,680
probably just dog attack and I
think decrypted community

783
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,120
especially like the Facebook
cryptic community and TikTok.

784
00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:34,440
They they go wild.
They they get a little too

785
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:42,000
trigger happy with calling
things cryptids and I I all I

786
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,240
wanted to say is pump brakes.
Yes, pump brakes on this.

787
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,200
This poor lady got attacked by
dog.

788
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,120
I think there's more of a
mystery about why she was there.

789
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:55,880
Like I think she was there to
steal John Deere or something

790
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,720
like that, you know, and one of
the farmer's dogs got a hold of

791
00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:03,320
her and it could be a coyote.
It could be, could be.

792
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,200
I don't know what kind of wolf
population they have there.

793
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:10,560
If there's a wolf population.
This was in Pittsburgh County,

794
00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:14,320
Oklahoma.
Now, I don't know what kind of

795
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,800
canine population they have
there.

796
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,680
I'm sure, I'm sure they have
Blanco, Oklahoma.

797
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,280
I'm sure they have coyotes.
Everywhere's got coyotes.

798
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:28,600
Could this be a coyote?
Probably not rabid.

799
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:33,520
I'm sure if it was, that would
have been in the the article

800
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,480
somewhere that she was tested
for rabies.

801
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,600
I didn't see anything about
that.

802
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,120
Looks like she just kind of got
caught, you know, not really

803
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,040
paying attention and something
pissed.

804
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,040
She pissed something off, that's
for sure.

805
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,680
Yeah, yeah.
I wouldn't want to be attacked

806
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,880
by a canine of any type.
But yeah, they're pretty.

807
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,240
They're pretty bad.
I mean, I don't put a lot of

808
00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:03,760
weight into like a sheriff or a
sheriff's deputy saying in like

809
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:09,760
all 38 years, I've never seen
this level of, you know, trauma

810
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,920
or attack or whatever it is.
Because depending on the town, I

811
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,960
mean, you got like the
occasional freaking meth user.

812
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:22,680
And then you got, you know, the
guy that is on a Smith DUI and

813
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,320
things like that.
And then, you know, maybe

814
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,760
there's, you know, a Mountain
Lion attack every once in a

815
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,080
while depending on where you're
at.

816
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:34,280
I mean, it's just like I've
seen, I've seen small family

817
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,640
dogs, the aftermath of them
attacking the toddler and

818
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,040
literally ripping their skin off
their face.

819
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:46,320
Like it is absolutely
horrifically violent when

820
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,440
animals, especially family
animals, but any animal just

821
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,120
decides to just, you know, I
think it's there's a problem in

822
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,280
California with packs of like
pit bulls mauling people to

823
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,440
death, just like full grown
adults come at them and then

824
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,800
just tear them apart, you know,
But it's just like that's a a

825
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,640
thing that happens.
So I don't really put a a bunch

826
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,280
of weight into being like, you
know, oh, this will, this police

827
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,240
officer says, well, I've never
seen this happen.

828
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:18,000
Well, I'm sure in your 38 years
on the force in that town, in

829
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,920
that community, you've never
seen that before.

830
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,720
But now you have.
So you can add that to your list

831
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:26,240
of like, I know what a really
bad dog attack looks like, you

832
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:29,360
know?
Yeah, but but it makes sense.

833
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,920
You know, it's like, I'm sure
they weren't saying it to be

834
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,680
dramatic or anything.
It probably was incredible,

835
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,880
incredibly traumatizing to, you
know, roll up on something like

836
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,480
that and be like, Oh my gosh,
this is the worst animal attack

837
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,040
I've ever seen.
Yeah, I, I mean, here's the

838
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,360
thing, right?
Do I really think she was there

839
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,720
to, to steal a John Deere?
No.

840
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,600
OK.
This is a podcast.

841
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,320
It's here for entertainment
purposes.

842
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,400
Jokes will be made.
This is unfortunately not a

843
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,920
joking manner matter right?
What I really think happened

844
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:03,440
like in my gut and I'm I'm not
saying that this is the answer

845
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,120
or anything, but just putting
pieces together.

846
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,840
It sounds like a Mountain Lion
attack.

847
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,560
It really does.
I mean, if she says it was dog

848
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:17,200
like, I mean she could have.
The thing is, I don't know much

849
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,320
about her injuries.
I don't know how she was

850
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,400
discovered.
I don't know if the thing pounce

851
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,360
on her, on her back, on her
front, I don't know.

852
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,000
But I know mountain lions will
attack from behind.

853
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:33,400
They will take you to the ground
and they will attack your neck.

854
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,800
And one of the first things that
they try to do is knock you

855
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:44,720
unconscious by lack of oxygen.
So if she doesn't were realize

856
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:50,320
who her attacker is saying that
it's dog like it.

857
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,440
There were some really bad
injuries from what I understand

858
00:50:55,440 --> 00:51:02,200
and I found two articles said
that she had horrible injuries

859
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:08,040
to her neck almost every Yeah, a
lot of a lot of articles there.

860
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,160
There's a ton of articles on out
there on this.

861
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,000
Typically said damage to her
legs and arms.

862
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,760
I don't know what that is, but
if you imagine a Mountain Lion

863
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,360
standing on someone's back with
their face in the ground, their

864
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:26,760
paws are on their arms and their
back, their hind left feet or

865
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,800
paws are on their their thighs
right.

866
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:35,080
Those nails are lethal and they
cut deep.

867
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,680
Again, I did not see her
injuries.

868
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,360
I don't know, there's a lot of
conflicting reports about where

869
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,720
the injuries were.
All I'm saying is that I did

870
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:48,800
come across at least two
articles that said that she had

871
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,600
massive injury to her neck,
massive trauma to her neck, as

872
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,480
well as deep lacerations on her
arms and legs.

873
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,520
That's all I found.
She from what I understand she

874
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,680
did lose consciousness.
That sounds like a lack of

875
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,440
oxygen.
It just, you put the pieces

876
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,840
together.
It sounds like a feline attack

877
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:09,840
to me.
Is that the answer?

878
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,480
I don't know.
I just hope she recovers.

879
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,400
Yeah.
I hope she can move on with her

880
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,240
life.
And, you know, and who knows the

881
00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:21,120
dog, right?
There was DNA extracted and

882
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:25,480
found domestic dog.
The dog could have attacked the

883
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,680
Mountain Lion offer.
The dog could have stumbled upon

884
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,080
her and started licking her
wounds, and then they submitted

885
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:32,880
a.
Sample, Right.

886
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,800
Yeah.
I was going to say man, but

887
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,840
like, that dog could have saved
her life and tried to lick her

888
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:39,640
wounds.
Exactly.

889
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:42,160
That wasn't even the part I was
thinking about.

890
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,520
But you're you're very much
correct.

891
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:49,280
I mean, I know like if I got a
bloody knee man, if I fell I

892
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:50,760
need.
The heck alone I.

893
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,920
Know right, My dog lick it too.
To get them away from me.

894
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,720
I'm like, I don't want your
germs, bro.

895
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,920
Get you lick your asshole.
Get yes.

896
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,480
And I know everyone's gonna be
like, well, dog's mouth is

897
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,240
actually cleaner.
I don't care, all right?

898
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,200
It's annoying.
I don't want them making it

899
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,600
worse by licking us into a sore,
right?

900
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,240
Yeah, that's what they do.
That's what it that's what it

901
00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:15,640
sounds like to me, man.
And you know, I, I just wanted

902
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,800
an opportunity to say that like,
I know a lot of people are in

903
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,440
the cryptic community that
listen to the show, but like,

904
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,880
let's take a realistic look at
it, like really put the, the

905
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,000
puzzle pieces together and, and
decipher what this could be.

906
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:34,840
And it really looks and at
sounds like a feline attack to

907
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,400
me.
That was the only thing that

908
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,280
kept me from going on that pig
hunt when I lived in Southern

909
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:44,600
California because we had I hit
that Air Force Base a couple

910
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,080
hours away, but it had mountain
lions.

911
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,440
And I was like, I can't do this
by myself.

912
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,040
Like, you know, because I know
I'm going to bend down to tie my

913
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,560
shoe and I'm going to hear this
wow behind me and then that's

914
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,080
it.
And that's the end of me, right?

915
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,240
I'm done.
It's like it's going to jump out

916
00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:09,840
of a tree and just maul me.
I mean, I would say that in most

917
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,160
circumstances it's rare for
people to get attacked by

918
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,400
mountain lions, but certainly
not unheard of.

919
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:21,360
It's not uncommon and that
really also depends on this

920
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,320
isn't March.
So.

921
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,760
Springtime.
Almost springtime.

922
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:30,400
I don't know when they're when
do mountain lions have Cubs?

923
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,840
Kittens.
I mean, I don't even.

924
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,240
I wouldn't even go that far,
Jake.

925
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,720
Like she was on a farm.
Think of all the animals that

926
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:38,560
are on that farm.
That thing's probably there to

927
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:40,680
get a meal.
Yeah, it's probably there to

928
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,480
steal a calf.
Shoot, it could have been there

929
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,480
to steal.
One of the dogs saw her and was

930
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,800
like, yo, bet.
Let's take this again.

931
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,120
That was a bad joke.
I apologize.

932
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:51,800
I.
Never mind, so I'm wrong.

933
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:56,120
They have their birth.
Birth pulse is between May and

934
00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:02,000
October, so it wouldn't have
been for a defense of of young

935
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,360
sort of a situation kittens.
But I've because I've definitely

936
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,800
seen there's a gosh, it was last
year.

937
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,520
There's a video of a a hiker
that had his revolver out

938
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,680
pointed at this Dang Mountain
Lion and it's just swiping the

939
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,560
ground and it probably pushed
him back off of this trail like

940
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,920
200 yards away from where it's
den was and all of its kittens.

941
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,480
He didn't know that he didn't
shoot the thing, but he he, it

942
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,920
would just come running up at
him and it was swiping the

943
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,360
ground and it was.
I've seen this.

944
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,800
Nuts, right?
He was like jogging or biking,

945
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,520
yeah.
Yeah, he's just on a on a

946
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,640
walking trail, but it was just
like, I mean, so it's obviously

947
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,840
not, you know, completely
uncommon or unheard of.

948
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,840
But yeah, I mean, it certainly
sounds like it could be that.

949
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,720
Like it could be a litany of
different things.

950
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:50,480
But yeah, if it, if the DNA
evidence comes back of the type

951
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:55,640
of dog and it's like a lab or a
golden retriever or like a like

952
00:55:55,640 --> 00:56:00,600
a freaking, I don't know, like a
livestock dog of any type of

953
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,480
Great Pyrenees or something like
that, I'm going to call BS

954
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:08,520
because it's like the least
likely dogs to attack you.

955
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:11,040
You know it's.
Going to come back as Chihuahua

956
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,040
and I will believe it's.
I would believe that Chihuahuas

957
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,680
are from Yeah, they are.
We established that a couple

958
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,360
episodes ago.
God gave the devil the ability

959
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:20,840
to make one thing and he made
Chihuahuas.

960
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:25,760
So.
You ready for the deep dive,

961
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,960
man?
Yeah, dude, an hour in, not bad.

962
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,200
Yeah.
All right, let's go deep.

963
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,880
I want to try something a little
different with tonight's deep

964
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,080
dive.
We spent the last several weeks

965
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,560
going deep on the scientist
story, the disclosure timeline,

966
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,480
the pressure building on the
Pentagon.

967
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:45,000
Tonight, I want to step back
from all that and spend some

968
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,560
time on the bigger picture,
because I think this week's

969
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,760
science stories are pointing at
something that deserves more

970
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,040
than a quick hit.
Here's the thing that keeps

971
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,480
striking me when I look at the
full list of what came out this

972
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,240
week.
A JPL physicist says there may

973
00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:02,880
be a fifth force hiding in our
solar system that we've never

974
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:08,080
been able to detect to that
we've never been able to detect

975
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,480
because we haven't built the
right instruments.

976
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:16,400
A new exotic particle may reveal
how matter acquires mass, which

977
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,560
is a question we thought the
Higgs boson answered in 2012.

978
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,360
And it turns out the Higgs was
only part of the story.

979
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,400
Gravitational waves may have
manufactured dark matter in the

980
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,680
first moments of the universe's
existence.

981
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,720
The largest map of the universe
ever built is already suggesting

982
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,640
that dark energy, which we
thought was a constant, may be

983
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,280
changing.
And astronomers have for the

984
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,880
first time seen X-rays coming
from a class of ancient cosmic

985
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:51,120
objects that was specifically
notable for not emitting X-rays.

986
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:57,240
Every single one of these
stories follows the same

987
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,680
structure.
We thought we understood

988
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,680
something, we looked more
carefully, and the part we

989
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:07,120
didn't understand turned out to
be bigger than the part we did.

990
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,080
The pattern has been true in
physics for as long as physics

991
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,440
has existed.
Newton explained gravity

992
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,240
perfectly until Einstein showed
it was something stranger.

993
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,520
Einstein explained space-time
perfectly until quantum

994
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,200
mechanics show the rules broke
down at the smallest scales.

995
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,800
Every generation of physicists
has been confident that the

996
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,200
current model is nearly
complete.

997
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:37,040
Every generation has been wrong
about that in some important

998
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,320
way.
What's different right now is

999
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,240
the speed.
The James Webb Space Telescope

1000
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,880
has been operating for three
years and has already produced

1001
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:50,080
more anomalies, more violations
of expected models, more objects

1002
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,600
that don't fit than any
telescope in the history of

1003
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,480
mankind.
The DESI instrument completed

1004
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,960
five years of observation, and
its first headline result is

1005
00:58:59,960 --> 00:59:02,600
that dark energy may not be what
we thought.

1006
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,480
Now I want to go somewhere with
this that I think matters

1007
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,840
specifically for this show and
this audience.

1008
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,200
The UAP phenomenon has been
scientifically dismissed for

1009
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,440
decades, and the dismissal
almost always rests on the same

1010
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,840
foundation.
What witnesses describe is

1011
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:22,160
physically impossible.
Craft moving from standstill to

1012
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,160
hypersonic speed without a Sonic
boom.

1013
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:27,720
Objects transitioning between
air and water without losing

1014
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,320
velocity.
Acceleration profiles that would

1015
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,160
destroy any known material and
kill any biological occupant.

1016
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:38,720
No known propulsion system.
No known propulsion system

1017
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,200
produces these effects.
Therefore the reports, well,

1018
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:46,520
they must be wrong because the
alternative requires physics we

1019
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,480
don't have.
The argument is only as strong

1020
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,760
as the model it rests on, and
this week that model has cracks

1021
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,120
in multiple plain in multiple
places simultaneously.

1022
00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:00,720
Consider what screening means in
the context of Turi shelves. 5th

1023
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,640
Force Paper If a force of nature
can suppress itself in a dense

1024
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,720
environment, meaning hiding its
own presence from instruments

1025
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,720
not designed to detect it.
Then we have a peer reviewed

1026
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,400
scientific framework for how
something real can be

1027
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,920
systematically invisible to our
best measurements.

1028
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,680
We assumed our instruments would
detect 1/5 force if it existed.

1029
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:24,000
Tershev says that assumption was
wrong.

1030
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,920
Apply that logic more broadly.
How many other phenomenon might

1031
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,840
be real, present, and
undetectable by instruments

1032
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,320
built around assumptions that
they are themselves incomplete?

1033
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:38,360
Consider what it means that 95%
of the universe comprises of

1034
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:42,360
combinations of dark matter and
dark energy, which interacts

1035
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,880
with ordinary matter only
through gravity.

1036
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:49,120
It passes through walls, through
planets, through us right now,

1037
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:53,840
constantly, without leaving any
trace or senses or our standard

1038
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,400
instruments can detect.
We know it's there only because

1039
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,640
what it does to things we can
see.

1040
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:03,160
If you describe that property to
someone without a physics

1041
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,200
background and told them it was
a characteristic of an unknown

1042
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:10,480
phenomenon rather than of the
accepted model, they would sound

1043
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,160
exactly like someone describing
A paranormal experience.

1044
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,440
The universe already contains
things that are functionally

1045
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,680
undetectable by human senses and
most instruments.

1046
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,920
That's not fringe, that is
mainstream scientific consensus.

1047
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,200
I'm not saying any of this
proves Uaps are real.

1048
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:33,000
I'm not saying unknown physics
explains contact experiences, or

1049
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,160
that what people report seeing
in the sky is crap from

1050
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:38,520
somewhere else.
What I am saying is that the

1051
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:43,240
specific argument used most
often to dismiss UAP reports,

1052
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,160
meaning that the behavior
described violates known

1053
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,600
physics, therefore it didn't
happen.

1054
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,080
Well, that assumes our model of
physics is complete.

1055
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,560
Well, complete enough to make
that call at least.

1056
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:59,240
And this week, in multiple peer
reviewed papers and respected

1057
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,600
journals, the model was revised,
not overturned.

1058
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,400
Revised in the direction of the
universe being stranger, more

1059
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:11,240
layered, and more full of things
we didn't know about than a

1060
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,440
previous model allowed.
There is a version of scientific

1061
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:18,000
skepticism that says
extraordinary claims require

1062
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,760
extraordinary evidence.
That is a reasonable position.

1063
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,760
Yet there is another version
that says quote claims

1064
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,160
contradicting the current model
are impossible.

1065
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:32,760
That second version has been
wrong every single time physics

1066
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,080
has advanced.
Newton was wrong.

1067
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,280
Classical electromagnetism was
wrong.

1068
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:42,600
The static universe was wrong.
The standard model is, by this

1069
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:46,000
weeks own evidence, incomplete.
The honest scientific position

1070
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,640
on UA PS is not This is
impossible.

1071
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,720
The honest position is we don't
know.

1072
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,120
Those are very different
statements, and this week, more

1073
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,440
than most, the distance between
them is worth thinking about and

1074
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,520
digging in deeper than just
pushing them off as physically

1075
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:04,520
impossible by means of our own
current understanding of

1076
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,360
physics.
Jake, a week where the physics

1077
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:11,920
we used to explain the universe
got quietly rewritten in several

1078
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:16,800
directions at once, and where
the strongest argument for

1079
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,880
dismissing UAP reports it turned
out to be built on a model that

1080
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,520
is, by this week's own evidence,
still incomplete.

1081
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,880
How does that sit with you?
I had this conversation about UA

1082
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:33,880
PS this last week at work, and
it was in regard to the missing

1083
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:40,160
scientists.
And then we got into could UFOs

1084
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,600
be real?
And I brought up the patents

1085
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:48,200
that the US government,
specifically the US Navy has on

1086
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:54,640
anti gravity propulsion, right?
And I was like, why would you

1087
01:03:54,800 --> 01:04:03,800
ever have a patent for a thing
that cannot exist based off the

1088
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:07,720
physics that we have to live
under the law of physics?

1089
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:13,000
It doesn't make any sense.
Which means that it is possible

1090
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:17,360
because if it was impossible,
why waste the time, waste the

1091
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,000
money?
And I was like, and keep in mind

1092
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:24,480
too, that the US Patent Office
is only responsible for the

1093
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,080
United States patents.
It has nothing to do with

1094
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,360
China's patents, has nothing to
do with, you know, the E US

1095
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,200
patents.
I was like big companies like

1096
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:37,560
Coca-Cola, when they put in a
trademark for their, their logo

1097
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,520
or their, you know, whatever
they're, they're saying or

1098
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:45,120
whatever it is, they don't just
do that for the United States.

1099
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:49,200
They do that for all the
countries that would use their

1100
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,960
logo where they sell in.
And I was like, that's a big

1101
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,920
deal.
So it stands to reason that if

1102
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:59,240
there's US patents for, you
know, anti gravity propulsion,

1103
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:03,400
then there's also EU patents for
anti gravity propulsion that's

1104
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,640
held by our government, you
know, and all sorts of stuff.

1105
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,160
You wouldn't do that if the
science behind it was

1106
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,760
impossible.
And if the the means was

1107
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,520
impossible based off of physics,
right?

1108
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:21,680
So sounds like that it is
possible and maybe other, you

1109
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:26,760
know, branches of science just
hasn't gotten on the ball as far

1110
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,880
as you know, figuring that stuff
out for themselves.

1111
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,920
But it is a a thing that exists,
right?

1112
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:37,000
So yeah, I mean, saying
something is couldn't happen

1113
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,920
based off of a model that we
have that's wrong is pretty

1114
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:44,360
asinine.
I totally froze for a long time.

1115
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:45,240
I lost the Internet.
You.

1116
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:49,200
Did OK, I saw you freeze.
I didn't know if it was just the

1117
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:53,040
the thing or or me.
So I missed your whole

1118
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:54,960
explanation.
I won't hear it until I edit.

1119
01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:02,400
Basically that the you're going
to have to probably edit this

1120
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,360
out, but basically that the US
patent offices is only

1121
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:09,400
responsible for US patents, not
all the other countries in the

1122
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:11,960
world.
So in big company like Coca-Cola

1123
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:16,920
trademark their logo or they're
saying or whatever it is, they

1124
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:18,640
have to do it.
And not just the United States,

1125
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:22,840
but every single country that
they sell in that would have

1126
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:28,760
that could gain monetary value
from forging their logo and

1127
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,120
selling a product claiming to be
them.

1128
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:35,160
So that means that if the US
government owns patents for anti

1129
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:38,840
gravity propulsion here that we
can look up for the US patents.

1130
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:42,640
That means that they're probably
U.S. government, our government

1131
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,240
holding patents in other
countries where that's a

1132
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,600
possibility.
And why would you go through all

1133
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:50,400
of that time and money?
It's a lot of money.

1134
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,720
Why would you go through all
that time and money for

1135
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:56,720
something that cannot happen?
The science behind it says that

1136
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,760
it can't happen.
The the means to get there is

1137
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,560
impossible based off of the
physics that we are bound to,

1138
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:05,440
you know, in the universe,
right?

1139
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,480
All sorts of stuff says it's
impossible.

1140
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:12,080
So that says to me that it is
not impossible, that it is very

1141
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:15,800
possible, but that there's other
areas of science where they

1142
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,800
haven't gotten on board with
looking into that sort of stuff

1143
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:20,880
because they're looking at
things like dark matter or dark,

1144
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,120
dark energy.
They're not looking at, you

1145
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:27,720
know, anti gravity propulsion.
But it is possible, even though

1146
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,560
we would say, oh, well, that
breaks our, you know, model of

1147
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:33,600
physics.
It's like, well, now you're

1148
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:37,240
basing that assumption off of a
model that's wrong.

1149
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,560
So it's not impossible.
You just think that it is right.

1150
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:44,480
So it's like, you know, And so,
yeah, I mean, I, I agree that

1151
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:50,600
it's, it's asinine to claim
something can't be just because,

1152
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:54,480
well, by basing it off of
something, a model or a theory

1153
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:58,680
that changes on a weekly,
monthly or yearly basis, or even

1154
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,600
every 100 years, say every 100
years, we figure out a new thing

1155
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:05,160
about physics that completely
defuncts all the assumptions of

1156
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:06,720
physics before it.
Great.

1157
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:09,640
You can't then say that
something is impossible just

1158
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:14,800
because it goes against that,
you know, current understanding

1159
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,439
because in another 100 years it
might come to fruition that Oh,

1160
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,680
well, that model that we're
using right now is wrong and you

1161
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:22,800
know.
Yes.

1162
01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:28,720
Now, that being said, I
understand I'm kind of like

1163
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:32,640
shooting my own foot here.
People could say, well, yeah,

1164
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:36,359
but you're basing your beliefs
off of that.

1165
01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:40,240
There are no aliens off of the
idea that, you know, take too

1166
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:41,880
long to get here and all sorts
of stuff.

1167
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:46,200
If by my own logic, from holes
exist, we can trap or beings can

1168
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:48,760
travel through those wormholes
and all that sort of stuff.

1169
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:52,359
And yeah, I guess, right.
I would be guilty of that too.

1170
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,560
But I'm, yeah, I would be guilty
of that too.

1171
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:57,960
And there's no no way around
that.

1172
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:02,359
I've said it 100 times on this
on the show that I don't think

1173
01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:05,000
it could be extraterrestrial
beings from another planet

1174
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:09,000
because literally the time it
would take to get here safely

1175
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,520
would mean generations would
have to pass.

1176
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:17,520
That is off of a mindset that
physics doesn't allow it That's

1177
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,279
exactly and and that's exactly
what I'm come what I'm saying

1178
01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:23,399
here and I've said also 100
times on the show.

1179
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,800
My point of view on things will
change daily with new evidence,

1180
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,439
the new thought process that
shows new conversations we're.

1181
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,520
Logical right?
That we're not.

1182
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:35,920
We're not illogical.
If new understanding comes out,

1183
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,080
new science, new research and
development and all sorts of

1184
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:45,640
stuff, opinions should, can, and
should change, not just stay

1185
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,319
rooted in.
Well, you're wrong because the

1186
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:51,439
Bible doesn't say anything about
aliens from another planet.

1187
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:53,080
It's like, well, the Bible
doesn't say anything about a

1188
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,760
platypus either, but they, they
exist, you know?

1189
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:57,880
Do they?
Or Arabian horses?

1190
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,600
I don't.
Well, there are horses and

1191
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,160
Chariots in the Bible, but
they're not specifically called

1192
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,000
out.
So Clydesdales aren't in there

1193
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,760
unless the unless Pharaoh's army
was using Clydesdales to pull

1194
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,200
their carts, which I doubt it
because they're probably a

1195
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:12,640
little bit too hot.
But yeah.

1196
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:18,800
And it's like, you know, there's
there's things that exist that

1197
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:22,760
are not rooted in, you know,
what the Bible says.

1198
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,840
And so for me, I have no problem
entertaining the idea.

1199
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,640
I think CJ brought up a few
episodes ago.

1200
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,800
He's like, what if, you know,
basically we're in our own

1201
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:35,480
terrarium and then there's other
terrariums out there with their

1202
01:10:35,480 --> 01:10:41,080
own beings and they're untouched
and UN, let's call, let's say,

1203
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:47,880
unmolested by our failure as
people to walk in concurrence

1204
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:51,200
with God and his and his plans
for us.

1205
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:54,000
And so they are, you know, they
don't have to have their own

1206
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,360
version of Jesus because they
haven't sinned yet or something

1207
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:58,840
like that.
And it's like, OK, well, yeah,

1208
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:00,720
let's theoretically throw that
out there.

1209
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:01,760
Sure.
Yeah.

1210
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:03,160
Could that.
Yeah.

1211
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,320
I guess.
You know, it's like, am I going

1212
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,120
to live by that idea?
No.

1213
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:11,000
But it's like, yeah, it's a fun
thought process, but I'm also

1214
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:14,920
not in a position where my voice
is going to is going to change

1215
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:18,320
the opinions of, you know, an
entire country.

1216
01:11:18,440 --> 01:11:24,480
I think that the higher you go
in your your field of study and

1217
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:31,000
your influence, you ought to be
correct in your assumptions, and

1218
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:35,440
eliminating a whole swath of
possibility because it doesn't

1219
01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:39,320
line up with today's model of
physics is just ridiculous.

1220
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:45,400
I agree.
I agree it I think one of the

1221
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:49,320
the things that influence my
thought process the most with

1222
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,880
things is just simply having
conversations with people and

1223
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:58,640
hearing an argument that you've
heard 1000 times come out of

1224
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:03,000
1000 different mouths.
For example, space is too vast,

1225
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:06,840
can't be extraterrestrials.
And then you've heard a million

1226
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,880
other people saying, oh, it's
got to be little green men from

1227
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,800
another planet.
You know, science, physics says

1228
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:16,360
no, right.
The logical brain says no, it

1229
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:20,920
looks at the the Cryptid brain.
The people who want to, you

1230
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:25,480
know, attach what very well
might be a a Mountain Lion

1231
01:12:25,480 --> 01:12:31,520
attack as the dog man, and they
say, no, no, no, idiots can't do

1232
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:33,080
that.
But then you hear the one

1233
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:37,200
person, the one person that
says, hey, but listen to it this

1234
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,440
way.
And then they describe it in a

1235
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:42,000
way and you're like, shit, you
might be right.

1236
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,200
I might everybody, I just called
it an idiot.

1237
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:50,800
They all might be right.
And it's oops, it's, I mean,

1238
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:54,400
has, has it ever happened, man?
Where you like you've, you have

1239
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:58,480
this point of view and then you
just hear one person explain it

1240
01:12:58,480 --> 01:13:01,920
in a specific way and you're
like, fuck man, you might be

1241
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,240
right.
I couldn't pinpoint any specific

1242
01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:07,680
circumstance, but yeah, I'm sure
that has happened for sure it.

1243
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:10,040
Happens all the time in every
book I read.

1244
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:15,520
Well, not every book, because
some books are just shit, but in

1245
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,800
a, in a lot of the books, a lot
of my favorite books right it,

1246
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:22,840
it's damn, the way they put it
makes a lot of sense.

1247
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:26,400
And then you start applying the
knowledge that you have from

1248
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,880
other aspects of things onto it.
You're like, well, shit, this

1249
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,080
holds up.
This really does hold up.

1250
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:36,440
It holds up better than my
thought process prior, which was

1251
01:13:36,440 --> 01:13:40,800
directly against this.
John Keel did that to me

1252
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:44,120
multiple times in all of his
books.

1253
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:48,000
All of his books had some point
in there where I was like, shit,

1254
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:52,880
this guy I, I love John Keogh
man Good stuff.

1255
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,640
I think that the most recent
time that's happened to me was

1256
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:01,760
that I've been so anti
extraterrestrial for so long.

1257
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:07,120
But when someone, gosh, it might
have been Kent Hovind, he does

1258
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:11,040
the doctor Dino type stuff.
It might have been him, but

1259
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:16,160
someone in the Christian
atmosphere that I, I consume the

1260
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:21,280
content of said, well, yeah, I
mean, they're interdimensional

1261
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:24,960
beings, you know, like spirits,
you know, angels, demons,

1262
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,680
interdimensional beings because
they're on a different plane of,

1263
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,360
of existence that parallels our
own.

1264
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:32,760
But we can't see it unless the
veil is lifted.

1265
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:36,160
And they're able to either pass
through, will not pass through

1266
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,760
the veil, but they're able to be
observed on our plane of

1267
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:42,360
existence, but living in their
plane where they see things that

1268
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:45,160
we can't see.
And it was his way of explaining

1269
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,080
it.
I was like, huh, well, yeah,

1270
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,880
that could explain aliens then.
You know, it's just like now

1271
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:53,680
that's not a, a thing that, you
know, I could tell 100 people

1272
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:55,200
and 100 people would agree with
me.

1273
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:59,040
Absolutely not, you know, right.
And that's, that's the way it is

1274
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,680
with, with, well, everything
really.

1275
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:07,720
But but for me it was just like,
Oh, well, so I guess people

1276
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:10,920
saying that they were, you know,
they had an alien encounter,

1277
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,920
they could have had an an
encounter with some sort of

1278
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:17,400
thing, you know, they're calling
an alien.

1279
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:21,800
I was wrong to say to just hear
the buzzword and be like, no,

1280
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:23,920
you're schizophrenic, you know,
type stuff.

1281
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:29,680
Completely dismissing large
swaths of people just because I

1282
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:34,360
didn't have what my brain would
accept as a logical explanation

1283
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:36,720
for what they were going
through.

1284
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:39,400
Right.
And so it's like, oh, so this is

1285
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:41,440
a thing.
We're just using two totally

1286
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:44,320
different terms.
But if you take the way the

1287
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:47,560
terminology and just have the
experience, OK, well, that makes

1288
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:49,840
makes sense, right?
And so for me, I was like, oh,

1289
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,040
yeah.
So what I call it a demonic

1290
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:53,600
attack.
And someone else would call it

1291
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:57,640
having an encounter with a a
green alien or a or a smiling

1292
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,320
man from Landulos.
Yeah, sure.

1293
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:04,880
You know, you know, but it could
be the exact same thing, just in

1294
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:06,880
two different ways of explaining
it.

1295
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:11,160
But, and that's a very, very
small thing.

1296
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:15,840
I've never had, I've never had
an alien encounter.

1297
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,320
So it's not something that
would, like, affect me one way

1298
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:26,720
or the other.
But yeah, I, I definitely have

1299
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:30,320
certain circumstances where it'd
be like, like, oh man, I've been

1300
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,600
calling people insane for a
really long time and they could

1301
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:33,640
have actually been dealing with
them.

1302
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:37,080
Pretty horrifying.
Oops.

1303
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:41,240
Yeah, I'm proud of you, man.
I'm proud of you.

1304
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:45,280
Yeah, I am.
Because Jake like 2-3 years ago

1305
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,760
would not ever remembered the
word lanulus.

1306
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,520
Aw.
Aw, look at you, paying

1307
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,120
attention.
Yeah, yeah.

1308
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:56,800
Good job man.
I keep factoids in its own

1309
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,920
little factoid box in my brain,
and I can bring out things like

1310
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:04,440
the Law of thermodynamics and
Lanulus out of them at will, but

1311
01:17:04,440 --> 01:17:09,960
only in specific circumstances
when I remember to open the box.

1312
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:13,080
Jake's growing up.
Everybody look at him.

1313
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:15,280
That's right.
So Keith, his hair, his.

1314
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:19,920
Hair is a redneck mustache.
Like he's going to go make a

1315
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:23,920
custom chopper.
Dude, I'm no no no joke.

1316
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:27,960
I'm thinking about buying a like
a 2015 a Harley-Davidson

1317
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,360
heritage soft tail that can turn
into a cholo bike.

1318
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:32,560
So I mean, it's it's not far
off.

1319
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:35,920
All.
Chromed out with a tricked out

1320
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,400
low rider paint job and the tank
and the fenders.

1321
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:41,800
Like I'm like, I'm selling a
motorcycle this week and there's

1322
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,400
going to be room in the garage
for another project, so.

1323
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:48,040
The orange one, What's that?
The gold one, No.

1324
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:49,600
No, no, no.
I'm selling.

1325
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,440
I was.
Going to say I was going to say,

1326
01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:53,800
come on man, don't do that.
No, I'm selling the Grom.

1327
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:56,400
I thought about selling that
bike but I've done too much

1328
01:17:56,520 --> 01:18:00,120
welding on it with my terrible
terrible welding work to sell it

1329
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,560
and it'd fall apart on someone
else and if a terrible.

1330
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,400
You can't sell it I'll.
Repeat it something else you.

1331
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,640
Ready to get out of here, bud?
Yeah, dude, good episode all.

1332
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:09,680
Right.
Thanks.

1333
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,400
That's it for tonight's episode
in quick hits.

1334
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,640
The Congressional briefing
deadline pass on April 27th with

1335
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:17,800
no public update from any
agency.

1336
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:21,040
The investigations are ongoing.
Nobody is talking.

1337
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:24,960
Gravitational waves may have
manufactured dark matter in the

1338
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:26,920
first moments after The Big
Bang.

1339
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:30,720
A strange new particle trapped
inside an atomic nucleus may

1340
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:35,080
reveal how matter requires mass.
The next layer down from what

1341
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:38,760
the Higgs boson started
answering in 2012, and

1342
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:42,120
undergraduate students built a
functional dark matter detector

1343
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:46,440
from scratch in briefing 1/3
science stories that landed in

1344
01:18:46,440 --> 01:18:49,160
the same window and all pointed
the same question.

1345
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:55,600
A GPLRAJPL physicist proposing a
fifth force of nature hiding in

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01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:59,640
our solar system, screened from
detection by its own behavior.

1347
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,600
The first X-ray signal ever
detected from a little red dot.

1348
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:07,200
JWST's most mysterious class of
objects and the largest 3

1349
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:10,520
dimensional map of the universe
ever built, covering 47 million

1350
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,520
galaxies across 11 billion
years.

1351
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:16,440
Already hinting that dark energy
may not be the constant we

1352
01:19:16,440 --> 01:19:18,800
thought.
In briefing two, we covered the

1353
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:23,680
McAllister mystery.
Alicia Maxey attacked in rural

1354
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:27,680
Pittsburgh County, Oklahoma on
March 29th by something that

1355
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:31,280
left a 38 year old sheriff
saying he had never seen

1356
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:34,200
injuries like it.
DNA came back as a domestic dog.

1357
01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:37,680
The comparison sample from the
properties dogs hasn't matched

1358
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,840
yet, the reason she was at the
property still hasn't been

1359
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:44,760
explained, and the investigation
is ongoing and this case is not

1360
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:47,680
closed.
And in the deep dive we took the

1361
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,440
physics stories and followed
them somewhere.

1362
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:55,520
The argument used most often to
dismiss UAP reports rest on the

1363
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,400
assumption that our model of
physics is complete, at least

1364
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,960
enough to say what is and isn't
possible.

1365
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:05,080
This week that model was revised
in peer reviewed journals in

1366
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:08,120
multiple directions at once.
We talked about what it means

1367
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:10,640
that 95% of the universe is
already functionally

1368
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:14,680
undetectable, that a hidden
force can suppress itself from

1369
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:18,080
our instruments, and that the
honest scientific position on

1370
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:22,440
the unexplained is not quote,
this is impossible, but rather

1371
01:20:22,440 --> 01:20:25,520
it's we don't know.
Those are very different

1372
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:29,240
statements, and this week the
distance between them matters.

1373
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:33,880
A couple of things before we go.
My book, UF Elmwood is out now

1374
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:37,360
on Amazon.
It was released yesterday, May

1375
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,960
4th.
Search Jeremy Sosa or UF Elmwood

1376
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,080
or simply just click the link in
the description.

1377
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:46,920
And if you listened to Episode
275, the Project Jackalope

1378
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:50,040
documentary on the Exeter
incident and you want to go

1379
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:52,880
deeper into that case, John G
Fuller's book, The Exeter

1380
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:56,800
Incident, Unidentified Flying
Objects Over America Now is the

1381
01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:01,720
foundational text.
And Capcom is this Saturday, May

1382
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:05,240
9th in Fond du Lac, WI at the
Radisson Hotel and Conference

1383
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:08,760
Center.
Use code right a hole for 10%

1384
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:12,480
off your tickets.
I'll be there on the UAP and CE5

1385
01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:17,120
panel with Ian de Graaff, Zach's
Creed, Dustin Shuda, and Jeff

1386
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:18,760
Finnup.
Come find us.

1387
01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:21,880
If you enjoyed tonight's
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1388
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:24,400
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1389
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,560
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It generally helps more people

1390
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:29,160
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1391
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,720
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1392
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:33,800
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1393
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:37,680
haven't subscribed yet, we are
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1394
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,720
Be the one that gets us there.
We're back next week.

1395
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:44,040
The comparison DNA from Oklahoma
will hopefully be in the

1396
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:47,920
scientists investigation will
have developed further and

1397
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:50,440
whatever comes next, we'll be
there.

1398
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:54,480
Until next time, keep your eyes
open, keep asking questions, and

1399
01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:58,040
remember the truth is out there.
You just have to know where to

1400
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:00,640
look.
I'm Jeremy Socha and we'll see

1401
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:04,600
you at the next fork in the path
of the infinite rabbit hole.

1402
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:06,160
Goodbye everybody.
Bye.

1403
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:13,080
Hey everybody, thanks for
checking out the Infinite Rabbit

1404
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:15,120
Hole podcast.
If you're looking for more of

1405
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:18,320
our stuff, head on over to
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1406
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,000
can find links to all the
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1407
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:24,560
available on and even our video
platforms such as TikTok and

1408
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,440
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1409
01:22:26,440 --> 01:22:29,440
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1410
01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:32,520
you know when all the new stuff
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1411
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:36,400
And until next time, travelers,
we'll see you right here in the

1412
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:38,920
next fork in the path of the
Infinite Rabbit hole.

1413
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:39,920
Goodbye.