Mermaids Part 1

0:02 I'm Gideon from the burning Vale podcast and you for listening to the infinite Rabbit Hole. Keep it up guys, you doing a great job. About 70% of the Earth is covered in water, but according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association or Noah, we've only been able to research about 5% of that. The ocean is such a vast area full of unknown creatures. At depths we couldn't even begin to imagine. For example, the deepest known trench, the Marianas Trench has a depth of ten thousand nine hundred eighty four meters or 36. 1037 feet and is the home to many different organisms and is even a place where deep-sea gigantism occurs, but what kind of creatures lay waiting in the Undiscovered potentially deeper trenches?

1:06 What about the possibility of a human-like creature? Swimming around in the oceans stories have been told of beautiful women found on rocky shores, with singing voices. So mesmerizing people can't turn away, some have bad intentions While others not so much. These Legends and stories have captured the attention of people all over. The world for centuries. What kind of marine Wildlife is out there that we haven't discovered yet? Who's to say? There isn't a creature similar to humans living in the ocean. What if humans evolved from said creature? Today we dive deep into the world of mermaids, breaking down the origins And discussing how their presence is captured. The world, welcome back to the infinite rabbit hole. Not bad.

2:21 You kid thanks I was more nervous about that intro than I am the rest of the presentation but I'm still pretty nervous about this. Good must admit. Welcome back to the infinite Rabbit Hole. I am your host. Jeremy actually know what, nevermind, screw that I am not your host today but I'm introducing everybody today for the host because she's a little nervous but that's okay, this is her first presentation and I didn't want to just throw her off the deep end. Now, we're going to go to the middle of the pool today and then we're going to push her in maker swim to the deep end. And then, we're going to all walk out, turn the lights off and go to bed. But before we hand it over to new kid Ken's are, go ahead and bring in Jake and Jeff Jacobs, Jeff, the J&J and me the Joker J, the J and J and J and K crew.

3:15 Crew of the Jays of, we're going to cut all this out to JJ of the infinite Rabbit Hole. What's up, guys? How you doing? Oh my goodness doing well. What's up, buddy? We got some stuff to get into early on before we hand it completely over to the actual host for the night. Right? In the actual host of the night is kid. Cans are Ken's are welcome to the instrumental. Are you doing? I'm full of anxiety. Good. So today is the day. It is going to give us her first presentation and on a topic that she chose, which is mermaids. Yes, sir, you can tear this shit up part. I thought we were doing when the whales attack what happened cans are?

4:04 That's it that was a side project off the mermaids. Yeah yeah. Oh before we get into Ken's, ours presentation, I have a few emails to go through that were sent into the infinite Rabbit Hole via our contact us button, infinite rabbit hole.com. Both of them are from a guy named Leon Leon Leon. What's up, man? Hey, thank you, John Leon and his first email, which was sent on March 31st. So I've been holding onto this for a little while, sorry. Anyways, just discovered your podcast two days ago and listen to the Thunderbird episode in ancient languages. There are often times less words than modern languages And even today there are spoken languages with natives who do not have words for things.

5:01 We do with this in mind. I would say a Thunderbird, could represent any large bird in a native tongue a tarragon or ropin could be a Thunderbird? Would this change? Everyone's ratings at the end of the show about whether they still exist today. Thanks Leon. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I'll be honest with you. I don't remember what I rated the Thunderbird and we haven't even done the ratings on anything else. Totally forgot about that. I think we all said for that it once existed but no longer exist. Now I think you're right I think that's what we went with right?

5:43 Yeah. In that circumstance. We were in Echo chamber. Yeah. The infinite Rabbit Hole. Echo chamber was was strong. That night. What do you guys think? Hands are Jeffrey. I don't know. What was the question again? I wasn't a part of that episode. I was just a blister on that one. Oh, you were still there. Let's play for Jeff that the Thunderbird could have meant a number of different things to include dinosaurs. Does that change your opinion? Not on dinosaurs. But yeah I mean technically flying reptiles. I understand the I understand what he's saying that there's different meanings for different words and there's entire languages.

6:33 There's languages that don't even line up at all with like the English language, right? So yeah, yeah, I could, I Vibe with that, right up. All right, so the other one which was Yesterday. Today is April, 12th. By the way. I had no idea. Oh no, this is a question for Jeff. Does he have any thoughts about the Inca Stones as related to his thoughts on dinosaurs? Also, I am a Christian and it's nice to hear a Christian brother on the podcast. Shout out to Jake. Shout out taken, appreciate it, dude. Good job, Jake the Incas Stones, these are the giant megalithic stones that look like they're melted together and placed you know like it couldn't even fit a piece of paper into him. I think that's what he's talking about Peru or someplace and no, he was not pre-staged with this question. So he is on the spot, right?

7:37 So What was the question again? About the Inca Stones. I'm sorry, he's missing out on his enchiladas guys. We apologize. I am I'm hungry. You should you should have brought your food. Like me. I should have. They're not ready yet. That's what we were telling them. I don't think they relate to dinosaurs other than what I think I said in that episode that I think that humans in our form of been around for much, much longer than were told, right? And things like the megalithic structures that he's talking about, could have very well been built by some form of giants because I don't see how well hold on. Cuz I just have you done a search for these things yet?

8:19 The Eco Stones Inca Stones, ICA, stones. And oh, I think said Inca. So that's what he has written down here. But I just did a quick Google search and the first thing that comes up is ICA Stones, okay? So Uncle like mistaken here. And there's definitely some dinos etched onto these stones, for sure. Yeah, I have seen these before, I would have to do some more research to figure out exactly when they were made and by whom but doesn't really change my mind on if dinosaurs. Because remember I specifically said in that episode, that I don't think that everything we're told about dinosaurs is the whole truth and nothing but the truth, right?

9:03 So were their megalithic lizards? I'm sure they're probably were, did they exist a hundred million years ago or 65 million years ago? That's where I'm caught up. Gotcha. Nope. And if the stones, if people, whoever made these Stones, obviously, they've seen whatever this megalithic creature is. So how could they have been around 65 million years ago? Unless the timeline of our history is completely off which is right in line with what people lived with Dinosaurs. Like that people think that maybe look man I don't know. Yeah, it's a good point but also the Inca stones. Giants put them there so there you go. Now, real quickly on, thank you so much for the shout out. I appreciate it.

9:55 It's always cool to hear when there's other Christians, that listen to our stuff and take something away from what I bring to the table. Besides just a Skeptics point of view that there's, you know, a similar thought process and all kinds of stuff. Keep reaching out to his man, I appreciate it. Absolutely. Let this be kind of a Gateway for everyone else. Yes. Go ahead and send us your questions and this your or your bitches, your drives, your applause, your blackmail, leave a voicemail still waiting on that, we'll get to it. This is we're going to do you send us a question? We're going to go over at the beginning of the episode and You'll get our thoughts and opinions on it. But that's all I have that's it.

10:39 We have some big news possibly in the works but it's a little too early right now to say anything just know coming home soon. I might be some big news and that's all I have it. Wait actually Jeff. Jacob. Do you guys have anything beforehand? It completely off the kit? I do not. Nope, I'm ready for her to fly or die. It's all right, kid, it's all you now. So, I have this kind of setup. Kind of like, Jeremy would do it, but I'm hoping we can get a good conversation going on here. So when it won't be able to get a word in edgewise, no ready. Ready?

11:23 The first appearance of a mermaid in human history was around 1000 BC in Assyria, the beautiful fertility goddess at our gate, This fell in love with a mortal Shepherd and had a daughter. However, she had unintentionally killed the man, she felt so much shame for killing her lover, that after the birth of her daughter, at a gate has cast herself into the into the lake with the intention to drown. But instead she took on a half woman, half fish like appearance, her beauty was so unimaginable, she could not die or fully transform into a fish. So she kept her feminine form and Beauty above the waist. While having a fish tail instead of legs. From their Greek mythology, expands more and goes real deep into the Mermaid World.

12:10 They tell stories of the narrates, the tritons sirens as well as Thessaloniki nerys were the daughters of Titans nerys. And Doris nereus was considered to be the old man of the sea and was believed to be able to change his shape. Sometimes having the upper body of a man and the lower body of a fish. He resides far at the bottom of the ocean with his daughters. Neary's were depicted as beautiful and kind sea. Nymphs often helping Sailors and fishermen. Some had Tales of fish While others were shown to have legs and would be holding onto Dolphins fish or hippocampus which were literal seahorses. It was the horse of a head with the tail of a fish.

12:53 There were 50 narrates a couple, very well-known would be thetis, who is the mother of Achilles and a treaty who was the wife of Poseidon and mother of Triton when the Titans were overthrown by Zeus. Nereus was replaced with Poseidon as the ruler of the Seas. And as mentioned Poseidon and a to a treaty were parents of Triton, who later inherited the Kingdom from his father and became the well-known King. Yes, that King Triton the father of Ariel will get more into the little mermaid and Ariel and all that after. But what do you guys think of the married so far? I think that Mythology like that. I don't think that it just spawned up at a nothing like all the different crazy mythological creatures and and gods and goddesses and all kinds of stuff but I think that it had a lot to do with what was important at the time and the things that are surrounded they were surrounded by and the animals and the the enemies and all kind of stuff, had major influence into all that creation of, you know, those sorts of things. And I think that a lot of Sea-dwelling people would have had a tremendous, like the fish impact or the, the fish in all, like how big the population was and how small it was and all sorts of stuff, would have a major impact on those sorts of people.

14:21 So it would make sense like the I don't know. The foods they ate like fish for example would be intertwined deep into their mythology in there, you know, various religions and things like that. Yeah, but it would make sense for sure. The only thing that makes sense in my head, so I was completely unaware of that, that creature you're talking about with the horse head and the fish body hippocampus, the hippocampus. I actually miliar, I had to like that. Took me off guard because I thought it was like a hippo. But no, it's a literal, it's a horse with a fish's tail. It's not, it's not Not a seahorse. It's a literal horse with a fish's tail. Isn't there a like an astrological sign that's that? No idea.

15:17 I think so because that sounds super familiar to me, there's a part of the brain called the hippocampus. Yes. That I know of. Well, yeah, but I mean, like, just just the imagery itself. Yeah, probably the well every culture had different or beings that they would have in the Stars, right? So like what we think? Gov as astrology and the symbols like the twins or the fish or whatever. Like every culture had a different being that represented that sign. But if you get deep into like The cult meanings and stuff behind a lot of these things. So like like I was saying there's a part of the brain called the hippocampus. So was it a knowledge from back then that they had about the brain and they encode that into the sky clock to tell a story? I don't know.

16:10 Interesting part about the hippocampus is actually shaped like a seahorse if you pull it out like it's got that same kind of twisty for one of you it yeah yeah. This whole episode kind of reminds me. Me of the Unicorn episode, which is strange. Because at the end of the Unicorn episode, at the end of the research, I put into it, I ended up thinking like there might have been a creature such as a unicorn at some point, especially after all the stuff that I do of into. And I presented during that episode. I don't think that's the path of going down this way. Sorry, cans are, I just don't think that's going to happen. That's cool. That's cool. We'll get there though. Be wrong. I really do. And just the fact that they're just thrown random animal heads. He's on top of fish doesn't help. Well, we'll get there.

16:55 Don't you worry? Okay, thoughts are coming up. I'm waiting for like the dogfish and like the plot the, the bird fish, and all that really strange stuff just come out as like, well, I guess everything Wales has legs. That's about a strange that got Mr. Fact, check myself. I was thinking about Capricorn, which is a, like a Rams Head or a Ram with a fishtail. Yes. Yeah. I don't know why the sun's still, the imagery of it thinking about it seems super familiar to me. I don't know, either way, if you're just gonna spit a whole bunch of little mermaid, fixity kid. No.

17:37 Okay, no. It gets cut, it gets cool in my opinion. Awesome. I'm ready. I'm excited. Excited. I'm stoked. I'm the bad guy here. Yeah. Yeah. Stop coming at cleanser. She's doing a great job. Shut up episode nice to me, right. Acco is also been podcasting for a year longer than I have. He was so scared. I was not scared. Go ahead, kid, take it away. Cyrus became a part of confusion in mythology. Originally, they were bird-like creatures closer to harpies who would lure Sailors to their deaths with their beautiful songs. Harpies are a bird-like creature known as the spirit of sudden and sharp gusts of wind as well as the hounds of Zeus. They were quite disgusting creatures where Sirens were the opposite of that it is believed that the sirens lost their feathers in a singing battle with Nooses. After losing the singing, battle, they fell pale and flung themselves, into the ocean.

18:43 And depending on which Legend do you read, they either perished or turned into mermaids. So there's definitely some confusion behind Sirens but it is believed they officially took the mermaid form in the Middle Ages. Sorry guys, that was a mouthful fun fact about Sirens. You guys want to hear it? Yes. Known. So we're all familiar with the Starbucks logo. Yeah, laughing at Jeremy. Why are you giggling over there? Then I'll look good. Whatever, bro. Okay fine. I'll let you go then you shut up a chest. Knock knock. No, I'm not it now. Okay. Well the start the Starbucks logo is the twin-tailed siren, right? Yes. It's an ancient symbol, right?

19:25 It means Obsession addiction. And and death. Yep. Nice week about we talk about that a little bit more. Okay, who's sorry didn't mean to jump, you know, that's okay, we'll get there. You better say, Verbatim what he said. Be like, I don't know if you guys knew this doesn't get that to the point, but despite my little mishap, what do you guys think? Of sirens? I never knew that they were based off of a bird creature. That is something I did not know either here in a Autumn mythology. Yes, right. So, this is obviously build up built off of Mythology and what a Greek mythology, right. So Sirens are Greek, but isn't mermaid supposed to be like a European?

20:13 Like, folklore kind of thing. Yes. So the word mermaid itself. Murder comes from Old English. I can't I don't have it written down here. I can't remember the exact translation but Murr is from Old English and made. Jade. Being a maid they murmur was like here let me pull it up. Let me see if I can some blurry ghost lady. Just showed up and Jeff's video. That was crazy. She fed me, some enchilada insides, I can help you out. Ken's armor. Or Meridian or another definition of Myrrh is. A combining form.

21:01 So basically they took two words from Old English and combine them together. And now you have mermaid. I can't remember what exactly the translation was there but it's Old English. I wonder did the Roman Empire. Go up to what's now England. I have no idea, because I'm trying to think about how, like, a, how, to different cultures would adopt the same sort of Mythology, like, you were just saying this is Greek mythology. So not Roman but Greek, right? Roman Empire, controlled a lot of Europe in the Middle East like most of it, right? I wonder at what point through the the expansion of people that though.

21:49 Those that Lauren those Legends transferred over across all of Europe to get to England. I don't know anything about that, but the very little I do know about mermaids and sirens is the fact that one of them is European, which is the mermaids. One of them is Greek, the siren and one is an antagonist and one is a protagonist. So one is Is good. One is evil. Sirens are evil. Mermaids are good. Other than that, I honestly always thought they were just, like, one of the same there.

22:29 They were just like lady tops, and fish bottoms. And no, it's fish. Tops. And Lady bottoms everyone shops and ladybugs. Yeah, sorry. My apologies. So that's the basic mermaid. Knowledge is Saira and wealth sirens and mermaids are all considered the same thing. Nowadays you ask anybody. They say the same thing all fish tops and lady legs. Yep. Old fish Topshop. Yeah but that's basic mermaid. The answer your question, Jake the Roman Empire did Encompass much of the British Isles not okay, certainly all of it. I don't know if anybody knows for sure but yes did it also Encompass Greece. Yes, it did.

23:14 Okay, so that would make sense. So sites. You saying that Sirens most likely are older than old mermaids and possibly the mermaid lore is based off of the site are the siren mythology. Or they're real, or they're real like, what Jeff was insinuating in the dinosaurs episode. Everyone's talking at all the ancient cultures had their own form of like, gigantic snakes and dragons. Like either, it's a mix up of Mythology that traveled through the entire area, like all around the world because of people spreading out and taking their stories everywhere or the real, like now we'll get into that. I'm sure.

23:56 But, you know, or there's some sort of reality behind That would spawn two separate cultures to develop the same type of Mythology, you know, and also to answer Jeremy's question Sirens are from Greek mythology, so it's older than Rome. Yeah. Didn't you ask that? well yeah, I mean he was asking if basically what I was saying was that it was older but that would I mean, to me that be somewhat obvious because like English, folklore and stuff didn't really become established.

24:36 Until England, was its own country right vs Greece, which was already very well established and still isn't has been around for thousands of years. I mean, it's biblical groups, you know, but question about the Roman Empire, right? I mean, I was just trying to strengthen the connection between European lure in Greek mythology. I see ready to carry on. Yes, ma'am. Okay in the argonautica Jason, the ancient Greek mythological hero and leader of the Argonauts was warned. He would need Orpheus on his journey. Orpheus was a legendary musician and profit and when he heard the sirens song, he played music more beautifully on his lyre drowning out the sirens voices, the story further explains that a member The crew described as a sharp eared. Hero brutes had heard the song of the sirens and jumped overboard.

25:35 Thankfully, he was caught and carried back to the ship by Aphrodite. There's also the poem Odyssey which tells the story of a decius AKA You seized. He was curious to know what the sirens was sing to him so he had all his Sailors, plug their ears with beers with beeswax and then they tied him to the Mast of the ship despite how much he begged. The sailors would not release him until they were free of the siren song. It is important to note that the siren in this story is the bird-like creature. Because it is said that if anyone One was to escape the sirens. They would die once the DC is passed through. They flung themselves into the water and perished or became mermaids.

26:21 So that's just another little fun story that I found. I remember that. I'd never like I've had heard of a decius and all that, but I didn't actually know the story behind it. So that was fun for me to look into. I remember reading Homer's Odyssey in life, middle school or high school or something like that because High School actually but yeah, that's a fantastic Tale. Um, so then I go into Thessaloniki, which I found very interesting. Honestly, she was the sister of Alexander, the Great who became Immortal after he washed her hair with Waters from the fountain of immortality. When Alexander had passed, she was. So grief-stricken that she threw herself into the ocean in an attempt to kill herself.

27:14 This did not work out so well and instead she was transformed into a mermaid. For years, she roamed the Aegean Sea asking any passing ships about her brother. If they had assured her, he lived on. They were free to carry on their way, but if not Thessaloniki turned into a monster and sent the ship to the Bottom of the Sea. There's a statue on a great on the Greek island of say-so's that immortalizes the story and on the Statue, has a poem that reads. It was not an island. It was a beast laying on the see, it was the mermaid. The sister of Alexander the Great mourned and made the Sea rough.

27:55 Thessaloniki. Had three children, Philip, and to / and Alexander when their father died thessalonica, wanted fill up and Alexander to take the throne. However, Aunt / was next in line and jealous of his mother's favoritism towards Alexander answer / killed her in 295 BC. So it's believed that she was actually killable despite her immortality, and she was a mermaid. Hey buddy, bear with us while we take this quick break. That's not very nice. You like him. You see my brother? Is he alive?

28:35 Be like lady. I don't even know who that is dead. That was a fun little story that I liked. I wonder if, if mermaids. Okay. So there's part of me that's like, yeah, they probably real. But then, the other part of me is like, I wonder if it's just a, like an esoteric, not even like a mythology. But like, a again, going back to what we were saying earlier, like a way to Describe. Things is that happens a lot in like esoteric or occult circles where they'll take stories or mythologies or the you know astrology and all that kind of stuff and they mash it up to try to like explain a story usually about like you within yourself, like The Human Experience. So like right now I'm on the fence. I'm like they're real on one side but maybe it's just a story of us in some way.

29:30 So I'm trying to like piece that together as you're talking about this though. Doing this research totally changed my opinion on mermaids, so you discover yourself not myself. No, I discovered my beliefs, I mermaids though. Well so far I still don't believe in mermaids but I am waiting for one particular topic to come up and I'm curious as to what you got on it. Are you talking about the Fishman of Chernobyl? Yes, that's it. You also believe in dinosaurs. So listen, guy. Listen, y'all, ready. Hopping on one leg? According to Jeff and it's a little sore leg is a dino leg? Yeah.

30:16 Next, it'll be a fish leg, then you'll be the mermaids. Symbol on Starbucks. Hey Diego. If you better coffee though, not better fraps, they have good fraps coffee is ass. Go ahead, kid. I mean, having to pay five bucks for a coffee is garbage anyways, so hey, who have you guys ever heard of the ninyo? Yes, none. Yo, hmm. It sounds familiar to do not tell you. This is probably my favorite mermaid. Folklore story that I came across. I like this one. Do it kid.

30:58 So In Japan, they have the ningyou which literally translates to human fish. There are a few different descriptions of the ningyou, but one of them being described as having a monkey's mouth with fishes teeth shining Goulding's, shining golden scales and a quiet voice Other descriptions claimed, the creature had the body of a carp and the face of a woman with sharp teeth and golden horns. So, different descriptions to varying with regions, but essentially the same creature, it is said, if this creature is caught, it will bring the person bad luck. Misfortune and storms. One thing for sure, is, it was believed that if you ate the name, yo, you would be granted, Eternal youth. I found a couple of different versions of the legend of the ningyou.

31:49 One story tells of a fisherman going out to Fort Bend and Waters. The fisherman was transformed into a hideous creature as a way to help him. See the error in his ways and as a warning to others, he asked Prince shotoku to display his bones for all to see. Another story tells of the Yao bikini. I suppose said that wrong. Wow. Yeah. Bikini know. I didn't never mind. Another story tells of the yeah bikini or the story of the 800 year old nun. A fisherman who caught a strange looking fish hosted a dinner and prepared, the ugly fish for his guests.

32:30 However one of his guests as see now how ugly the fish was and warned the others not to eat it, they pretended to eat the meal and drink Sake all night hiding, the pieces and throwing them away when they got home. However, one man forgot to throw his portions away, his daughter ended up finding them and eating the meat that had been left out. Worried the man monitored his daughter but nothing seemed to have happened. However, many years went by and over the years. She had several husbands, all of all, of whom she had outlived, After 800 years, she took her own life. There's actually a display, which is believed to be an NGO at the engine temple. In the city of us asked, who she? We're going to come back to the topic of this mermaid on display and everything.

33:21 I've got some cool stuff on that, but it's actually believed that this could have been the feejee mermaid, put on display by PT Barnum in the 1840s Do you have more about the feejee mermaid? I do have lots more about Fiji mermaid. Is it makes? No, I actually took the feejee mermaid, and I put it with the, like, the hopes is in the sightings and all that, okay? It's the one that I put on our group last month. Yeah, yeah. So I'm just listening to the description of this one, right? Wow, that way. Can you read the description of the of the creature?

34:01 Again, a being described as having a monkey's mouth with fishes teeth, shining golden scales, and a quiet voice cuckoo body of a carp face of a woman, sharp teeth and golden horns. Well, again, I mean the cart body. That's the koi fish. Koi fish are super popular in Japanese, they have tons of different Various versions of the koi, they have, I mean, the koi, the dragon koi, when it gets to the top of the river, the gods, give it, you know, the head of a dragon like all kinds of stuff. In this case it's a mermaid version or a monkey version of the koi fish and stuff. So it makes sense to me that you know fish is a huge commodity and resource in Japan that they would have something like this. But again here we have another separate culture that has mythology about a half. fish have something else right and this circumstance, a monkey, but regardless, you know, I don't know the exact science behind this but I once was told that our brains he the human brain can't actually create a new life.

35:14 So whenever whenever we come up with the creature, It's a combination of different creatures that we have already seen. So we can't just conjure up something. We haven't already seen before. So, that's why. A zombie is a zombie. It's already a like, it's something we very were very familiar with. It's a human but it's Dead. Hmm, which is why it's a zombie. So, I feel like something very similar happened here, they've conjured up, an image in their head and they're describing an image of things that they've seen before. And they're having it drawn out for them in that moment. This is why I believe that the dog man came first before the werewolf that any kind of quote unquote werewolf, sightings, you know, because way back in you know, the times of all these mythologies and stuff, people would see a creature or like imagine seeing a creature such as a werewolf or a dog man, you're seeing upright-walking K9. Dog right.

36:22 Well dogs don't walk on two legs but people do so that so there must be a person that changes into that, you know, saying so the I believe that the werewolf mythology came from a dog man type creature and that is 100% true. Now a lot of people in Crystal cryptozoology need to be careful because a lot of the Cryptids out there are very humanoid and it's also The same thing in ufologists and people who study alien life forms or believe that they can that they're studying extraterrestrials. There are a lot of different creatures out there anywhere from the Grays to the reptilians. The Mantis has all kinds of different alien beings out there that have the general shape and form of a human being. And that's very human of us to look at something such as extraterrestrial and instead of seeing something completely unique and different, we see something such as A human being with scales and and that's where you have to be careful. Because are you actually, are you talking about something that actually exist, or are you just talking about something that your brain like you were saying created? Because it's a human brain and a human brain does not like to create new things.

37:52 So it basis things on the human body. I've got a couple of points first on this, right? Us not being able to like Whatever, I don't know. There's there's an old story that when the Europeans first came to North America that the Native Americans that were here, literally couldn't even see the ships. Often the distance because they had, I've never seen anything like it before, and they're just like their brains couldn't comprehend it and perceive it and it was just like they didn't even exist. Right. So maybe that's part of it too. So and going back to this Japanese ninja go, ninja, go ninja go.

38:37 Yeah. So I'm reading this, it says some Legends television of entire towns that were swallowed by earthquakes or tidal waves after a foolish fishermen brought home a man in yo, And one of his catches and this goes back to my other point. Now, you guys familiar with the ocean that they found, 400 miles under the crust, No, guys, ever heard of this. Okay, so there's a link. So, basically an ocean 400 miles under the crust of this of the earth, okay? And it's like way deeper, there's way more water there than there is on the surface basic and I won't get too deep into it but basically there's probably Caverns where the water flows up to the surface.

39:20 Waters, the surface oceans. So if there was some volcanic or tectonic, Catastrophe. That happened in Japan is right on the ring of fire. It's possible that one of these or a number of unknown, undiscovered creatures that live in the, under ocean came up through these Caverns, just prior to a massive earthquake, then flooding these cities and then you have the people who survive, it telling these stories like oh the fishermen brought back one of these mermaids or whatever and then that bad luck flooded, the entire town or multiple towns. So, It's like they encoded a story into this idea. I really liked this ningyou story actually, I talked about it a little more and when we get into the sightings and whatnot with PT Barnum there like I mentioned, but I really liked this story for I honestly like a lot of the Japanese and, and like, Asian culture is so cool.

40:26 They've got some really, really interesting stuff. I love this sort of stuff. Do you suggest for you saying that there could possibly be a race of human fish in this ocean? And the under ocean, the one that's 400 miles below the crust. Yeah, could be do not think that gravity be too strong on her. Gravity is fake. I love you. I'm fucking girl hugs, they find, there's a great. There's a good example. There's As a great Ray migration, that happens. I think in the Pacific Ocean and happens like, super rarely, but every time it happens, they find like multiple new species of raise.

41:08 They've never discovered before and in, they are, once they figured out that there's this under ocean, this is where the idea was. There must be Caverns that come up with these Ray's come up, you know, to the surface ocean. So if there's an unknown species of rays down there, there's, who knows what's down. So again, maybe all Cana was going off and for whatever reason, it, you know, some Known creatures swam up to the upper ocean as well. Let's let's sidestep for a second. Yeah so you know that the deeper you go in the ocean the more pressure right? Right. What do you think? The pressure is created from What do you mean? What do you think creates that pressure? During electromagnetic Universe guy, aren't you? Jeff sometimes only on Tuesdays, good enough. Only on Tuesday.

41:58 So I do know a lot about the electric Universe idea and and all that stuff. And I subscribe to that for a Time. Hey, so seriously, where do you think, where do you think the pressure comes from? I don't understand the question. What do you mean? Like depravity, dude. Look. It's because of all the memories. Are we going to get into a gravity debate right now? No, do that all here? Grab the episode. I'll hit you with it. We're going to do that on Jeff's. Gravity. Is fake episode? Okay, sounds good. All of you are crazy. All right, I'll jump in all of your crazy. I know that even me.

42:39 Let's go Kyrie on kid. Okay, so Ireland tell stories of the marrow. Which is a creature that can go between land and water with its magical redcap called and I'm going to butcher this because I could not find anything to help me pronounce this. Go who leaned Drew with? I hope it in butcher that to be close enough. The female marrow has the upper body of beautiful woman and the lower body of a fish covered in greenish tinted scales and a greenish colored hair, which she is very fond of grooming to loves combing. Her hair, These beings are believed to make attachments with humans.

43:25 Often falling in love and getting married. It is also believed that the Hideous appearance of the marrow. Men was the reason the woman would seek love on land. A fictional story written by Thomas keatley, claimed that the that the men would capture the souls of the drowned Sailors and lock them in cages. They're magical redcap is what allowed them to go between land and water and if they lose this cap, they lose their ability to return to the water. Most stories tell of their human lovers taking their caps and pray and hiding them preventing them from ever leaving the Lent. The Irish also have the legend of the Lee bun. This story tells of the daughter. Echo kid.

44:12 She had turned into a mermaid after the spring under her house. Had burst causing a flood and creating what is now known as Lakme. Lee Ben's father, drowned in the flood, however, she survived in an underwater chamber with her dog of her about a year. During this year, her dog became an otter as she transformed into a half human half salmon creature, officially taking on a mermaid form. She roamed freely for about 300 years before. She was captured by a fisherman and brought to shore. It is said that she was baptized Emergen, meaning Seaborn and the creature died immediately.

44:56 It's because the lock is a freshwater bother you. It's fresh water. Haha, saltwater and freshwater. Don't necessarily mix. Interesting, they even have otters over there. I mean it's I don't know. Probably it's cold enough. So this is Ireland. Yeah I found out how to pronounce that you there's no way I look like I was on YouTube. I was Googling it. I was ducked up going it I for the life of me, I could not find something. That helped me pronounce that one, but I got a lovely little list of pronunciations in front of my hair and I'm still butchering them on Coughlin dry stuff or something like that.

45:48 I believe it is. Irish language. Yeah. Irish Gaelic. Yeah. That's what. Yeah, that's the word I was looking for. Thank you. Yeah, I can't speak that so I probably butchered that for. I was about to rebuttal Jeremy on the gravity thing, but I'm just gonna hold my tongue. You can see the for your gravity, I was trying so hard. Like I was getting ready to just hit him with it and I'm like, you know what do do you have it? Let me just do. The pressure is because of buoyancy and pressure right there. Like, the, the pressure isn't necessarily from ground. It's from buoyancy.

46:32 And differences in density between You know, the water in the levels of water gravity doesn't necessarily have to have anything to do with. How's the water stay on there? But well, we'll discuss this on the gravity is fake. I love you. How's the pressure in space? Like, if you're in the International Space Station House, there isn't pressure. There's no pressure. There's our official pressure. It's oxygenated pressure. We use the same technology and aircraft that fly up pushing ional, anyways. About the mermaids in the deep dark ocean underneath the crust. Okay, so what type of mermaids then are we talking about? Are we talking about fish head?

47:16 Mermaids? Are we talking about the face mermaids? The lady face mermaids because either way right here me out either way If they're in a cavern under the crust, and it's bigger than this ocean or whatever, and we just see animals at the bottom of this ocean. And I mean, some of them don't even have eyes anymore. Most of them don't work, right? They just don't need him. So dark down there. So are they a bunch of like cataract ladies and men with fish, tails and gills, and all kinds of stuff and Anglers on their head. So they can We were fish into their mouths or probably using some kind of like bioluminescence or are they fish head people with legs that really would be an adequate for swimming with.

48:14 Okay, so we know in a lot of places at the bottom of the ocean that is just pitch black, but we don't know especially talking about the under ocean 400 miles down, we don't know if it's dark down there. Or there could be all kinds of bioluminescence down there for all we know so there could be light from. Take your pick. I don't know what but we don't know that it's dark. The sponge is glow. Good sponge. Could they do in Minecraft? You do? This is true. We know that the physics in Minecraft. Perfect and gravity also exist in Minecraft. But anyways Go for cans are anyways. Western Europe has the story of the melusine. Now, you've seen is actually quite well known in modern-day, however, it's just not recognized by name. This is the mermaid that Jeff brought up the Starbucks logo. Described as a mermaid, with two fish. Like tails, the story goes as such Mel you seen is the daughter of per scene and elonis, the king of Albany, however, growing up Mel, you seen in her two sisters. Never had their father around.

49:27 When Mel, you seen learned about their fathers breaking a promise, he made to their mother her and her sisters. Locked their father away in a mountain when her mother became aware of what they had done. She punished the three girls, condemning melis. I mean, to take the form of a two-tailed serpent, from the waist down every Saturday. When she married, she tells her new husband that she needs complete privacy on Saturdays and that he is not to enter her Chambers. She was completely unaware that he had broken This Promise, until one day, he got mad and called her, a serpent in front of the courts. Becoming so angered by his betrayal, she turned into a dragon And flew away only ever returning to see her children other versions of this story. Have her swimming away in a, in a river, which is where the mermaid part comes from.

50:20 But we get more into her. When I start talking about Starbucks later on, she was not a very nice person. All kinds of things going on with this lady. Yeah. She's she's something for sure. It's interesting that there's a tide it Saturday or Saturn's day and it's Jeff, you're fantastic. Thank you. And then what? My last mythology story Comes from Canada. That's the story of said, sedna, the goddess of book, The Sea, and the land. So there's a few different versions of this story depending on which tribe tells it. So I'm just I'm just sharing the couple different versions here that I found that I thought were cool. So one version says, she was attacked by her parents and an anger.

51:15 Her father took her out to the Sea and tried to throw her over the side of his kayak, as she clung to the side. He chopped her fingers hands and forearms off. And then she sank to the underworld, becoming the ruler of the monsters of the deep. It is also said, that her fingers became the seals her hand hands became. The walruses and her forearms became the whales hunted by the Inuit people, and another Legend she's displeased with who her father. Picks is a husband for her. So she marries a dog Instead. This of course, angers her fault of father. And she, and he throws her into the ocean and cuts off her fingers, hands, Etc, another version Tells the story of a man wearing two, large canine teeth on a necklace and came to the family igloo.

52:09 He was welcomed to stay the night and in the morning he was gone. All they found outside, the egg blue were animal tracks Later said no became pregnant and her, father was afraid of, what kind of creature? She may be carrying. So he made her ride on the back of his kayak, to a small island, where he abandoned her some stories. Even depict her lover changing into a bird, Which flies her to the island. And it is said, when she is angered a shaman, must travel to her, and help her wash or comb her hair afterwards, she would release animals for them to hunt and others say, it was simply because she had no fingers to do it herself. Holy moly. I wanted to end with a fun, Little Canada one that's gnarly but yeah, it is kind of brutal.

52:59 Is it pretty Savage? The Germans could learn a thing or two about their nasty, folklore evil terrible. Folklore, with all the death and stuff. Gotta chop off those fingers and wrists and forearms. Yeah, take the entire arm goodness, we but yeah, that's all my mythology, which case think I'm out. Okay, so, like mythology, it just makes me think of all kinds of like other shit. Like, every story you're talking about, I'm trying to, like, look up things and I'm looking at, you know, the symbology, all that kind of stuff. So now I'm probably do a deep dive into this one day everywhere. Everywhere has their own mermaid story. Like literally everywhere, if you have got a body of water near you, whether that be freshwater saltwater lake river, ocean.

53:53 You've got a mermaid story, guaranteed. What's interesting is that in like Norse mythology, right? They had the selkies but it was actually sealed so I wonder like that's why I left that one out, right. But it makes me wonder like where these other cultures just seeing things like SEALS. Or I know that the Pirates in the Caribbean were seeing manatees and they thought those were mermaids. So I wonder if it is just like regular fucking animals and they just, you know, again the language thing right? Like they called it Mermaids, but we call it a manatee. Mmm, very strange. I was going to say that, you know, I've saw something at some point on the hit the History Channel about mermaids and they pretty much chalked it up to 200 Sailors used to see manatees and they would be you know, drunk or so dehydrated that they would you know, do things to the manatees and All kinds of things and talking about sex. Yeah, and they would and that that's where the mermaid Legends came.

55:01 From manatees aren't all over the world. They're in so I could park. Can you say the word manatees? Yeah. There's no D in my said, Manatee with a tea. You can say, manatees no manatees whatever. Now you saying it right? Look. You said Muses. You said mooses. Okay. So uses. Yeah. Yeah boots. Yeah. So I'm allowed to have an accent to fry, okay? Okay. The one who originally was picking on you though. So I was tell that to Florida, man over there. Yeah.

55:47 Alligators and whatnot. Run around drug enough, alligators and throwing them in through a drive-through Windows anyway. Canal was thrown at a cashier, nothing, 60, cc's of crystal meth. Bath. Salts is the thing down here, not meth. Oh there's method, Florida, there's Metals barter but bath salts is anyway. You do remember the zombie on bath salts that like 8 the guys faces and through the guys testicles at the cops and I heard he wasn't actually on bath salts. He was on something completely different.

56:27 The original story was bath salts. Yes, that was the original story that was before the tuck toxicology report came out anyway. All these monitors, there's only so many of them around the world and in various places that couldn't have accounted for everything, you know, sailor seen? Yeah, Mandy's and all the Manders out there. We also have to remember that the, the sea level has been rising right? Since just the last ice. Ice Age ended. Its risen like 400 feet so where there's manatees now or seals. Now there could have been like they're their environment could have been further out than it is not because there's a shit ton of Coastline that's underwater now just in the last couple hundred years.

57:18 Yeah, but in and if you're talking about like rear mythology or something like that, you're going back thousands of years. So the best available and way lower, but they're mammals. You think they're all the way up? No, you know what I'm saying is like the Norse in Norse mythology. I'm choking on water, the selkies were seals right. My point is just like different cultures. Might just have different names for whatever sea creature. It was that was swimming around, you know, and shallower Waters, suppose? I don't know. I kind of made that up as I was going, but it's like, yeah, I mean, what I was saying was stupid. I was gonna be like, well, they're mammals, they you think they're up, you know, where the Inuit are.

57:58 But their seals and whales And stuff. So never mind. I don't know. That's what that story was, was an Inuit story. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Not the managers no Mandy's. Yeah. I think you did good kid. I don't, I don't know much about mythology. It's ever been really my cup of tea. When it when you go back like Greek mythology or really old with always, like could go hand-in-hand with cryptozoology, he play it the right way. Yeah. Cryptozoology is more. The modern mythology and your You're not wrong, I'm just not familiar with the stories and all the characters and the creatures that were part of all those stories back, then I'm just I focus more on Modern mythology read a book dude.

58:52 Yeah seriously shut up Jeff and Jake did I'm gonna get into Giants here in a little bit and maybe into Cyclops and stuff and you're going to be called never heard of that before. Like Okay, I'll talk about shit that you guys never heard of before? All the damn time. No you don't. Yes I do is lock it up. I'm just trying to throw you a bone and be like, I don't know. Tell me, tell me anyway. Ken's our spider bickering. I like yeah, I definitely like that. There's stories about mermaids. And sirens and silkies, and all different types of stuff. And ladies getting their fingers, chopped off all over the place.

59:40 And I just, it backed me into what I originally said in reference to Jeff talking about the dragons that either the stories just got past and past, and past and past and past, as people just migrated all over the place, like we know that the Native Americans Have genetic similarities to Asians and stuff. So, maybe if they already had the stories and everything and they migrated over to the Americas and stuff, they could have brought that over, you know, if the Roman Empire encompassed all of Europe, going up to the British Isles and down to Greece and everything that, you know, it's maybe even parts of Africa.

1:00:23 I'm pretty sure that they, you know, people traveling to and fro and they're, you know, they're just Could have been a mixture of the same sort of mythologies that came around from these seafaring people, and then it spread into different cultures kind of running with it and having their own things and that could be it. But it also could be that it's based in some kind of Truth. And I'm super looking forward to the next episode so we can really break that down and get out of the mythology, part into, you know, all the different theories and you know, siding. And all that kind of stuff. I know that you're going to blow us away. I'm super excited to do the sightings and I'm going to say it hoaxes. There is no hoaxes.

1:01:12 Oh, you just wait. Hey, that's why I'm so excited. I'm so excited to get into that stuff. That's what. That was probably the most fun part about all this researching was the the sayings and the hoaxes and the Modern day events and whatnot. Hmm, love it. That's still going. Oaks is definitely fun. Tell you that. Nah, tell me more. Oh, it's fun, bro. Wait, I can't wait till she talks about PT Barnum. I'm just going to rip him a new one, because fuck that guy. Yeah, I agree with that statement. I'm gonna the beach in the middle of the night.

1:01:53 Take a big fish and slap its tail all over the beach, and then drag it into the water and stuff people. You think there's a mermaid up there? I can't. Wait. Did you guys see the link? I posted the YouTube video. I posted in the group couple days ago, I wasn't able to open it. It was a video of a mermaid found off the on a beach in Kenya. Hmm, like a week ago. It it's fake. It's totally fake. It looks like a child with a wig got covered in this seaweed know, it's like that.

1:02:34 Like oil spills color as she's like, so yeah. She's all like, purpley and long hair long, synthetic hair. You can tell it's a synthetic wig, and the noise. It makes sounds like a pig, snorting ad and it legitimately looks like a child was stuffed into a like the legs of a child was stuffed into a fish and it was just left on a beach was and the people here are. So I thought it was South Africa. I was I read Kenya as long as it wasn't wet City. I crap that with that thing sitting on the Rock. No, it was it was Way more legit but it was definitely not a real mermaid.

1:03:23 Okay. Oh, since we said something about it, you're gonna have to get the link again. So we can post that video after this episode comes out. So everyone, that is in the infinite, Robin Hood, it rabbit rabbit Hood, the infinite Rabbit Hole podcast group. Not the page, the group going with the black logo will be able to check out that video. So if we forget, if you're listening to this episode, send us a reminder because we record these weeks ahead of time and we forget. We're humans, just let us know and we'll put the pressure on kid to get that up there but yeah, it good job.

1:04:12 You guys think? Give a round of applause. Job guys. Good job. All right, get her first part of her first episode out of the way, is there anything else before we go ahead and close up for the night? Not for me from you guys gentlemen. I would only like to say that I had like mythology. So if anybody in the future wants to put some more mythology, do it because I love it. Copy that. You guys heard that, go ahead and do your requests at Jeff in the infinite rabbit hole in the infinite rabbit Hood group on Facebook and let them know. Let him know if there's any mythology you want to hear about or Or if any of us want government ology, I'm not gonna cover with all.

1:05:07 Those rumors are jet. Jake Malcolm cover mythology. I got some of the one of my episodes. I got plenty of it. This is a householder to doctors Jeremy. I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do a deep dive on those. What are they called? The echo Stones. Yeah, it goes down to do. A deep dive on. It goes down. So I'll update you guys Leon. You hear that Leon, that's for you lie to you, man. But why? Well there has been another episode of the infinite Rabbit Hole podcast, you guys listen to this. Make sure you stop into the infinite rabbit Hood group Facebook. Like kinds are no harsh. Did let her know give her Applause.

1:05:48 Yay, kenz are haha. Yes, good job me. How bad I did to what I can improve on. Yeah, it's on a horrible. She is and that she owes you money now because wasting your time, sellers kidding, but hang tight. She has much more left for us to go. We're going to dive into a whole bunch of really cool stuff. - the mythology of mermaids, we're going to get more into the sidings and the evidence of whether they do or they do not exist. Next week on there, for the rabbit hole, I'll see you then. Bye.