The Bock Sage ft. Andy Rouse from The Deep Share Podcast and Danunaki Dan from Rising From The Ashes

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I'm Gideon from the burning Vale
podcast and you for listening to

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the infinite Rabbit Hole.
Keep it up guys, you doing a

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great job.
Welcome back to the infinite

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Rabbit Hole.
I'm your host, Jeff today, we're

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doing a redo because the first
time we did it didn't work.

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So we're doing a round two.
We're going to kind of pretend

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like we don't know what they're
talking about but also not

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really because there's a lot of
info.

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So I want to know more but
before we introduce who we're

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talking to and what we're
talking about, let's introduce

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the co-hosts.
We will start ladies first kid,

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what is up?
How are you?

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Oh, I thought you were actually
an energy State.

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Jake first shots fired.
So I just felt like being a

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bully today.
Jake said he was a bully when I

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jumped on here so I figured I'd
give his medicine back to him.

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Karma.
You're just a mean lady.

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What's up, Jake?
How you feel about that?

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Well, my back already heard
this, I got this heating pad on

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it but now my heart hurts.
So, you know, I work out hurts

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to my pride was hurting last,
really love you.

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Jake.
I'm recording this, I know.

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Yeah, it was funny.
So we had, we had the take one,

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right?
And Dan, one of our, one of our

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guests here was talking about
how Zen Caster sometimes.

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We'll just drop all your stuff
and, and crap itself and stuff.

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And then I was like, Now
there's, you know, no way it was

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then cast has been great for us
and stuff and literally that

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episode, it crapped out and
dropped all of Dan's audio.

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So, here we are recording it
again.

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So, yeah, right there, it's a
back hurts or caster loves in

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Caster with your heels together,
three times and it's not on

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loves looking in the mirror.
Whisper, sweet nothings.

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Yes, but so speaking of this,
the topic we're Here, we're not

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covering shit.
We're listening to a couple

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other people tell us about the
Box Saga.

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And those couple other people
are my good friends, Dan, Dan,

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your Naki Dan and Andy from The
Deep share podcast, dance from

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the rising from the ashes
podcast.

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You guys have like 10,000 other
podcast but what is up

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gentlemen?
How's it going, man?

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We are having us again.
Hardly have any?

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Yes, welcome back.
I don't either.

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Really I mean whores, it's
starting to happen and then I

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like I got in control of the
spider web, that's good.

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Good move.
I'm juggling now with three.

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It's like shit.
But yeah I mean any just do the

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show with chills up.
Yeah we do horns up and then our

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regular shows So aficionados.
Yeah, yeah, just a good

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professionals, we try.
I like it.

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So most people are probably
gonna be like what did he say?

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We're talking about Bock Saga.
Fox boc kill, don't know where

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to start with this.
So I'm just going to kind of lay

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this.
I got one of you guys.

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Yeah, I got a good like intro
going here.

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Basically.
It's an entire different

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history.
It's one story.

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From of about one family based
on one sound system and the

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sound system is called root
language.

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And this route language spoken
by these people.

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This story comes from Finland
tells the story of the human

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race, according to this Saga and
it's extremely intense.

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So that's a little just the
intro, I guess.

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But um, yeah, hidden history of
humanity.

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Yeah, basically, yeah, the roots
of The inversion we see all the

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time, a lot of the word magic
word play puns that we see pop

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up in a lot of topics.
This seems to have have that

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same behavior, but with a lot
more magnitude behind it, the

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etymology of things.
So I was thinking about this a

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little bit earlier about, like,
how you guys might approach kind

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of talking about this in a way
that's a little bit more

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digestible, right?
Just from like, what I've heard

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you guys talked about on other
shows.

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I feel like when I hear you
guys, talk about the geography

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situation, right?
Like the physical layout of the

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whole situation like that,
that's what clicked for me.

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And then it made the rest of the
ship makes sense, but you talk

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about the concentric rings.
The Rings and just like, we're

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like, how this?
Yeah, the whole day, ah, the

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physical aspect of it.
So, the story goes through the

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time periods of paradise, time,
and then alt slant.

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He's or Atlantis, which is the
ice time, and then history.

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And in Paradise time the Earth
was upright.

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It was before the Tilt happened,
supposedly, and this puts Inky

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at the very top of the world.
But at that time, it was called

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hell and it was seven islands
with an island in the middle.

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And it was all called odenma,
which is also the name of the

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son who didn't.
And so it was like the place of

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udun and this Society was
structured in concentric Rings.

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Very much.
Like what we see in Atlantis

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folklore and that makes sense,
because These ring cities in

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this story were all over the
planet.

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And Paradise time, the entire
planet was tropical.

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Experiencing good weather for
growth and sustainable life and

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up in the North Pole where this
Society was taking place where

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Humanity was supposedly coming
out of it's called this place

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called the a sir from there.
I kind of lost my train of

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thought there.
There's so much to it but yeah

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ask me some more questions so
yeah.

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I got you a question.
Yeah exactly.

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Is there any so I know that
based off the different theories

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of like the Flat Earth or the
hollow Earth or whatever it is?

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Some people have kind of tried
to illustrate that.

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Is there any good illustrations
that people can find online?

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That would kind of explain this
in a way.

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Anything that you've come
across, unfortunately, not but I

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really am because Comes up a lot
and it's important and I think a

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lot of people bring it up
because it's important.

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I think I want to start trying
to make some drawings of what

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this kind of looked like better
for people, especially the

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different time.
Period thing, the paradise time

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is one thing and then you have
Atlantis or as they say in this

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story, all plan tesol.
The land is ice, which is when

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the earth tilts, this is ragna
Rook the great destruction.

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And when this happens, the Ooh,
ice covers the Northern

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Hemisphere.
All the lands are covered in

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ice, except for Odin ma, which
is no longer at the top of the

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planet anymore.
But because of the Gulf Stream,

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they say it kept all the waters
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Warm and the are warm enough to
create this.

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As they say rosette or this
Figure 8, which kept the water,

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they're kept, the are warm in
this one place creating this.

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Big unfrozen area where they
were able to survive, while the

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entire rest of the northern
hemisphere was covered in ice.

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Kind of like an oasis but not in
the desert, right?

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And Dan, you always go into the,
the lands like all the actual

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names of the countries.
Now that we're talking about to

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kind of give it a little bit
more Dimension here.

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I always forget like most of
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Finland and England and Green
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I put a link in in the chat
notes so you guys can click on

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it.
This is a the yggdrasill tree.

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And it shows like a like a world
and that with a tree and then

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it'll shows you the rock in the
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That's the Tree of Life coming
out from that and then you can

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see kind of like four rivers
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And you can see like a ring
around in the inside, which is

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actually the Ouroboros.
And then on the outside of that

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yggdrasill image, you see a big
ice wall, And so, this is kind

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of, this is kind of a pretty
close example.

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I would say of what we would in
my look like during the ice time

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because it was surrounded by
this ice wall, and it was called

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all all land.
Alt fuck all, and eise, because

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all land was I so Ireland,
Scotland, England, Dane land

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Poland.
All the lands surrounding this

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area, we're all covered in ice
so they got trapped in this

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area, they couldn't get out of
there.

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But inside of the ice, it's
still It's not like Frozen

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inside.
They can still, it's still

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livable habitat, but there are
also, you know, stay on tunnels

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and they're going underground
to.

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I mean, I'm sure certain time
periods or certain times of the

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year were probably a lot worse
than others.

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I don't, it doesn't, I don't
necessarily know that exactly.

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But, well, the story kind of
concludes that altar.

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Auntie's that time period
created the Arctic people along

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with the art, you know, just
like the arctic animals, like

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are the dark tropical skin
turned white.

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Lost the melanin, and blue eyes,
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Blond hair, red hair, came in.
The Caucasian race was born,

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according to this Saga.
And then, of course, we

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connected to the, the next
disaster, which is when the ice

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starts to Proceed and they don't
necessarily talk about the

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melting of the ice, but they
talk about the ice scraping

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across the surface of the Earth.
So it was like moving south and

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it destroys oudin.
My again which is interesting

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because just that play on words
Helsinki, this place was known

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as hell and it sunk and this is
also an interesting reference to

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a lot of the stories you hear
about Atlantis even when you get

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into like the woo, when people
are like channeling and Fucking

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haven't past life regression
back to like oh I was at

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Atlantis and stuff like that.
It's all about this destruction

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in this like flooding and
everything.

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So that's an interesting
connection there as well.

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But when they come out of the
ice, they're bound to meet up

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with the rest of the world that
has been like, thousands of

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years stunted compared to them,
because they were trapped under

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the ice for so long.
And when they come out the ice,

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I think this is kind of when we
get the, the guy.

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God's idea, the, the Greek gods,
the Nephilim.

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Well then yeah, the Annunaki and
all these other different types

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of God's idea because I think at
that time they were Maybe even a

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little later.
There are starting to go around

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and trying to re civilize these
civilizations because there was

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a catastrophe that wiped
everything out, right?

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But I think there's probably
lots of different catastrophe.

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So I couldn't say exactly which
one, but they didn't come out

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until like the younger dries,
basically that time melted the

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ice or broke the ice apart.
Depending upon where you go.

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If either comet impact or just
Climate change, you know,

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whatever, however you want to go
with that.

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So is this where they just like
in an area that wasn't covered

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in a glacier or where they like
under this Glacier somehow?

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And like a cavern, you'd picture
basically.

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An entire area.
That was surrounded by a mile

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high Glacier in every direction.
But that was saying we're

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talking about.
Like I mean if you think about

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the size of the actual Physical
City of Helsinki and go a little

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further than that because you
have to include some of the

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islands that are south of it
that are included in the story

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as well.
We're talking about a massive

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area, so it's like it's, you
know, picture Game of Thrones

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like you see the fucking wall of
ice and it just keeps going and

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you don't see The self castle
and or anything like that,

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because it's so far away, it's a
big area, and it's just a

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slight, it's the Arctic.
So it's really cold.

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We know what it's like in
Iceland and Finland and Norway

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and places like that.
It's that climate basically

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we're outside of it.
We're probably worse than that

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than what it is now, of course.
But like, it was just remaining

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habitable not necessarily
Paradise at all anymore.

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So things Changed like in their,
their fertility rites in their,

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their systems changed.
But they still mirrored what

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they were trying to do before
and everything, but it's an

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interesting story.
I'm glad you brought that up

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because that was exactly what I
was thinking.

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And was, I was trying to wrap my
head around like, the losing of

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the melanin and stuff, and then
basically, creating white people

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and everything else is like, but
if it was a Tropical Paradise,

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and that's kind of what I had in
my head.

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But yeah, if you pick Like an
Iceland sort of thing it's just

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like, okay, so habitable but not
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hit the beach in oh no, no, they
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That's what it was in Paradise
time before you know, before the

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tilts happens and everything.
But once this Ice Age happens,

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we it's the setup.
At least maybe not now but like

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you know it's the setup for what
Scandinavia is kind of like.

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Now, I would say probably worse
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So you mentioned, fertility,
rites and I heard you guys

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talked about this on Tinfoil
hat.

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Could you talk about that a
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Yeah the offer Rings system and
it's all tied into the language

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and everything.
There's so many angles to come

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at it.
Like the just the simple idea

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that our entire language, every
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and keep in mind that this
ringed like letter system that

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they call the root language,
this alphabet is called Al

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furnace bettin so it's like very
close to Germanic already and

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Modern English And it means the
rhyme of the all-father or the

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rhyme of elves.
So that's interesting too.

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I have the book here, I have the
whole alphabet.

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I could go into that if you
really wanted me to Yeah, we

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could could I would like to do
that but I was desperate to the

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fertility.
Yeah.

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So the offer a so the idea that
every letter, every single

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letter that we know is comprised
of either a hole or a part of a

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ring or a pole, it's all lines
and poles and quite literally

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The Saga, takes it to the level.
Where this is like the most

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simple part of the story, too.
Because it all starts with sex,

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it's all about.
Literally the rod and the whole

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and all that.
It's the symbolism of that

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entirely and one of the 40's.
Yeah a bingo.

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That's a great example.
Also it's so the fertility

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rites.
It's it's kind of like think of

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how we look at like the blood
writes that a lot of like evil

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Cults are doing these days.
It's almost like they there was

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an inversion of that or the
blood rights are an inversion of

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what it It used to be which was
semen.

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And the semen was like the seed
of God that was being like

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nurtured and and produced by the
energy of the sun into the human

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being.
So this seed was Paramount and

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it was the sun it was the
energy, it was everything.

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Yeah I can get into this stuff
just I know this part really

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well the the so they the sun was
the sole so who did Mama was the

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sun and the soul I was trying to
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That's what I'm doing.
Looking through the book which

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is interesting because we named
our son Soul.

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Yeah, exactly.
So what they say is that, why

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changer, right?
The sun is what gives us our

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soul and that goes into our
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So what they wanted to do is try
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wheel.
The devil that devil will this

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is the The wholeness of keeping
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So they created these caste
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for the procreation system
because the last son was not

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able the last caste system mail
was not able to procreate

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because he was too far out of
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The sole container because once
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dwindle down too much and get
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there's these caste system.
So so that way it all goes back

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towards the center again and it
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And so they had like it's kind
of hard to like selective

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breeding basically.
They were they were yeah.

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Only breeding, like, the
strongest males with, you know.

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Yeah.
They were keeping that same

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seed.
They want basically keeping it

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in the family, but not really,
it wasn't like direct incest or

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anything.
Like we see again, we see a lot

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of that kind of shit today.
But this was more like a Like a

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mathematical set up from cast to
cast a cast and then less Dan

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said at the end of the caste
systems in that ring system, it

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would like kind of recycled back
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Yeah.
And a lot of people, a lot of

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people that are in Tubac Saga
that still can't completely

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swallow.
No pun intended.

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What this ritual is at least
being claimed as by The

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Originators of the story, which
is a lot of fellatio, a lot of

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sexual Writes like that of
taking in the seed and

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everything yourself, making it
stronger and stronger, things

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like that, they can also relate
it to other Traditions around

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the world that are less direct
and physical of that metaphor or

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maybe the should I say like the
other cultures are more

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metaphoric with it where it's
like semen retention but it's

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still the same idea and Bock,
Saga, claims that.

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All those cultures originally
came from this one breeding

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system.
So it's kind of that At idea

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holding on to this and making it
stronger.

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It's a lot to swallow.
Well I mean it makes sense if

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you really think about.
Like I mean you could think

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about royal families just in the
sense of the history that we're

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told right.
You know.

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Yeah.
All royal families, they were

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inbreeding.
That's true.

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No.
Well, that's why they were

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marrying, would say, that's why
the whole family's now is to try

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to keep that seed as strong as
it once was without diluting it.

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So they have to do Within their
own like Family Lines because

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that's the only place where that
seed is available or left.

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That just seems backwards to me,
which part the whole inbreeding

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part.
Well, yeah, yeah, definitely.

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Yeah.
We're talking and understanding

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is trying to make but like, it
just seems backwards to me.

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Yeah, nowadays, you get like all
kinds of messed up stuff when

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you started doing that, you
know.

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Oh yeah.
This also starts to expose when

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you start to look into this and
what it's really saying, you

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start to see like big archetype
start popping up to you start

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seeing This like, keep it in
closed.

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Like the closed-off society
versus a wide-open.

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One with no rules.
You see, a lot of like old

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control versus like new age?
Luciferian wild Spirits.

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You know.
It's very like contrasty there

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and we kind of relate, a lot of
Dan.

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And I talk deep about like,
certain parts of history, that

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relate to this and talk about
like certain members of The Saga

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in the family, which we can kind
of consider line.

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Lines.
We can't really think it's like

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an individual, but lines of
families moving in a certain

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direction where equating two
things like the, the fall, you

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know, of Lucifer we're talking
about like a member of the Box

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Saga leaving the old way behind
and kind of like hubris thinking

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himself to be the King when he
wasn't.

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And this leads into like
Egyptian stories of raw, the

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sun, the Sun King Because in the
Box OG of the firstborn son is

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raw, but it represents the moon
about the Sun.

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So there's a lot of inversion
going on.

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There's a lot of connection from
this finish mythology right

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through to these other parts of
history as well.

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So okay.
So and I think I said this when

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we recorded the first time, but
from my understanding, it seems

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like this much probably much
older or at least much more

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sophisticated civilization,
right when they come out and see

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the rest of the world.
They pass on a lot of this

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knowledge.
Right.

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And that's why we see a lot of
the same rituals and the

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languages and everything can
kind of be tied back to this,

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but the reason that things are
kind of flipped and inverted and

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perverted.
Do you think that maybe that was

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done?
Purpose when the information was

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being gives the third Ragnarok.
Yeah.

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That's what they call the third
Ragnarok.

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The third great destruction.
So, the first two were, were

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natural disasters as we've
described.

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The third one is man-made.
This is when in the story the

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Catholic church has been you
know dominating the entire area

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and completely destroying all
remnants of heathenism and

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paganism.
And at the very core of it is

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this Bach line this box drum
line of people From the Acer

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that hold onto the original
knowledge and they hold onto it

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in a physical place that still
located today.

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And simple Finland called, The
Lemon kind in Temple this

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character of lemon kind and is a
character that exists in

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accepted Finnish folklore, your
back in the 80s.

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When he released the Box Saga,
he's showing how it's this is

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possibly a hidden part of
Finnish folklore, that isn't

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written about or it's just like
the little missing pieces of it

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in a way.
So interesting, dude.

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It is interesting to think that
maybe that information was given

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to the rest of the Schmucks
right now.

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Yeah, so the Catholics.
Right?

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So the papal Army comes in to
Odin ma which is an isn't even

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called Finland yet.
If like it's a very difficult

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area of history and geography to
to find information on, it's

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almost like you're trying to
prove negatives.

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Like, you know, mainstream
historians will say A way of

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papal Army was there destroying
some Heathen group that you're

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talking about because they can't
prove that a Papal Army wasn't

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there.
They can just prove other areas

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where they were so it's like,
not likely to them, but then

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eight years later, I think it's
only eight years later.

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Accepted history, puts a lot of
context into this idea.

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That Finland was destroyed.
This Helsinki area was decimated

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and that's how the Saga goes
that.

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The Catholics came in and
destroyed everybody and I burned

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it to the ground.
And in the documentaries

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available on YouTube from the
late, Jim Chesney, who is very

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close to the Box Agha.
He takes you to these places in

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modern-day Finland and shows
like you know, they'll be

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they'll either be like a
Catholic Christian Mont, you

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know, monolith or celebratory
statue on these old Heathen

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grounds.
It's like a, you know, a real

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mockery.
Of course hidden in plain sight

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or it's even a no.
Do the old Heathen ways that

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seems to be even more of a
mockery because of course, it's

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a place of like cover-up and
destruction of these people.

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Yeah, kind of like we're going
to tear your stuff down and

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build our stuff on top of it.
Near M what are you going to do

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about it?
Yeah well even give you a trophy

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and have you show, you know,
wave to everybody.

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Make them think that you got
out, you know what I mean?

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Sometimes they'll be a heathen
like a viking statue or

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something that he points to the.
Oh yeah, well, this story is not

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true.
But behind this story is

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actually what really happened
and it's even worse, it's pretty

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crazy.
So wild dude, I think I

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mentioned last time to the
electric Universe.

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Did you guys ever?
Go check out the Thunderbolts

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project and the electric
Universe.

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Yeah.
Dude.

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Like how getting into that shit
changed.

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My perspective on so many
things, man.

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And so, it's like, when you say
things like, oh, this was before

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the Earth's Tilt in this golden
age, right?

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Right.
That like I have no problem

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understanding what that means
because of the electric universe

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and the Thunderbolts project and
how they've laid out their

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videos explaining what that
meant, you know.

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And it's like yeah you know, I
truly Leave.

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There was in a golden age going
back.

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Who knows a million years or
something, right?

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And like that's when we were
probably at our Peak you know,

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consciously and probably
technologically as well.

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So have you ever like taking the
electric universe and matched up

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with like the principles of
alchemy?

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That's on top, that's something
fun to get into for sure,

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somebody I talk to chance Garden
from in reverse We talked about

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that somebody.
Yeah, nice.

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Yeah, it's wild stuff, dude.
We just talk to Tess Clark and

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she does electric Universe stuff
and like Saturn saturnian,

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cosmology and everything.
And at the end of the interview

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after we were done recording, I
asked her if she had had had

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ever heard of the Box Saga and
she's like yeah I have actually

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and actually if you look at the
Box Agha, the timeline in the

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Box I'll get actually Coincides
really well with the timeline of

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the electric universe and the
stuff that I have put together

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on my website.
So there's another person, like,

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outside of outside of that.
That's also kind of confirming

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the timeline of how things
happened in the world to from,

449
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,900
from my like a cosmological
perspective rather than

450
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,300
historical.
I have some exciting.

451
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,600
Big news to about some like an
outside Source, I have a friend

452
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:41,100
who is a professional in remote
viewing, and she's pretty well

453
00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:43,600
esteemed in the community of
remote viewing.

454
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,100
And she teaches, and she has a
bunch of students and I told her

455
00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:51,300
about the Saga because she's
very fascinated by fairy tales

456
00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:54,400
and folklore.
And the thing with fairy tales

457
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,300
is, it's about Fair people.
It's about these people, this

458
00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:03,700
old history that's been
relegated to Fiction and fairy

459
00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:06,000
tales.
So we don't believe any of it.

460
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,800
And so I got into it with her
and she was fascinated by it.

461
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,800
She was picking up on a lot of
different pieces of it.

462
00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:15,400
And so we decided that this part
of the story about lemon kind

463
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,700
and Temple should possibly be
her students, next Target.

464
00:29:19,700 --> 00:29:22,200
So we're going to find out
possibly.

465
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:28,500
If there is a massive Treasure
of this old world inside this

466
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:34,000
area of Finland, in this rock
formation, Salute, even in

467
00:29:34,300 --> 00:29:37,200
tireli but it's kind of like
after they knew the Catholics

468
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,600
were coming, the Box were able
to hide and like did kind of

469
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,800
destroy the front entrance or
something kind of completely

470
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,000
decimate the the opening to, The
Lemon kind of Temple and it was,

471
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,700
you know, supposed to be remain
closed and hidden for a thousand

472
00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:56,800
years.
Do, do you think that we would

473
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,100
even know like if let's say the
team, whoever it is is out there

474
00:30:00,100 --> 00:30:02,500
and they get in there and it's
just something wild, bro.

475
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:07,000
Like just I don't know, it's
some Indiana Jones artifact.

476
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,000
That's like glowing you know
whatever it is like you think we

477
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,100
would even know like they tell
us like as in would the

478
00:30:13,100 --> 00:30:16,600
information get to us right.
I'll spread it around because I

479
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,300
taught you talk to those guys.
I don't know.

480
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:24,400
I just like maybe it's my own
bias and Jeff.

481
00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:29,200
Fifth is over, I believe this
summer there is over, 2500

482
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,100
volunteers, that were headed to
Lemon kind.

483
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:36,100
And all these self-proclaimed
Bacchus heading there to help

484
00:30:36,100 --> 00:30:38,900
dig and and help excavate this
place.

485
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,000
Well, I guess in my mind it's
like the same with any other

486
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,100
kind of dig, right?
You know, you find something

487
00:30:45,100 --> 00:30:50,900
wild and then all the sudden
like the Suits come in maybe

488
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,400
they're like oh that's another
sorry that Dan and I have talked

489
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,100
about About about it.
Like that's kind of what

490
00:30:56,100 --> 00:31:01,900
happened last time is they all
got in trouble for for hashish

491
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,200
and drugs.
And they had a stop digging

492
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,200
because they are all going
through all kinds of other

493
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:13,000
trials, and law of problems.
And so and never never ended up

494
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,800
getting done.
But the temple is on like

495
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,600
property of Somebody that they
know.

496
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:23,500
I think it's one of yours
property.

497
00:31:23,500 --> 00:31:26,500
It's on er, box property.
I thought oh God, it's his

498
00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:29,400
family also confiscated.
Yeah, it did.

499
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,100
They know the guy but yeah, he's
leaning about the digging but

500
00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:36,300
yeah, it was once his family's
for from what you are said, it

501
00:31:36,308 --> 00:31:41,700
was in his family for of course
ever but Generations known to

502
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:45,400
accepted finish history and that
he does kind of come from

503
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,500
royalty.
Yeah, so it's on private

504
00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:50,100
property.
So So technically they shouldn't

505
00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:55,300
have any problems like with like
red tape or anything like that,

506
00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:59,300
they should be able to do what
they want to do there.

507
00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:05,200
Did the be so crazy to find like
a tomb or Temple?

508
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:13,600
Just find some stash of like
Ancient like pre cataclysmic

509
00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:16,300
civilization stuff.
That's what I do.

510
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,100
Yeah.
I also Dan and I have been

511
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:22,000
thinking about a theory.
I think Dan you're the one who

512
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,700
brought it up to me originally
they'll like the idea?

513
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:28,800
What if all the amazing quote
unquote, you know gems from

514
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,900
Antiquity and all the statues
and the carvings and all the

515
00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:35,500
gold, all the things we already
see that have all this

516
00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:38,600
symbolism.
That is Secret.

517
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:40,800
Be related.
Directly to Bock Saga, but it's

518
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,100
accepted by the Babylonian
history and and all these other

519
00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:47,100
cultures, we just Associated
there.

520
00:32:47,300 --> 00:32:50,300
No problem.
Yeah, but it's actually all the

521
00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:53,400
treasure that was once in
lemminkäinen and that it's

522
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,600
actually already been rated.
And that, we've just grown up

523
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:01,300
all of us looking at actually,
you know, pre destruction,

524
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,600
Antiquity, items without even
knowing it and just on a

525
00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:09,000
unfortunately attributing it to
whoever, you know, they Want us

526
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:14,800
to attribute it to you have kind
of Reform that idea and I think

527
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,100
maybe there was just artifacts
outside of lemon kind in that

528
00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:23,400
they didn't necessarily put in
there or stuff that they are

529
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,800
buried.
And that all once the other

530
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,300
cultures to another area is
still in there.

531
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:32,600
And I think that's where we get
like these stories of like King

532
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:37,100
Arthur and the enchanted swords
and like these different relics

533
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:42,000
and different Types of Weaponry
because there seemed to be like

534
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,000
a higher class of Weaponry that
their funding in the Middle

535
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,400
Ages.
That's like way too good for

536
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,900
what they're supposed to be able
to have at the time.

537
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,600
So it's almost like they're
finding these relics or whatever

538
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,600
from a lost time before them,
that was of a higher

539
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,800
civilization and then then it
comes to them in some other, you

540
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,800
know, the lady in the lake, or
some other type of way, where

541
00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:09,900
they are able to get in touch.
Should these weapons.

542
00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:12,800
And then, all of a sudden, they
have this enormous amount of

543
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,000
power because they're able to
wield these weapons that other

544
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,300
people can't stop.
Yeah, it's everywhere.

545
00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:25,100
I mean, if you look at the, the
Egyptian beards on, the golden

546
00:34:25,300 --> 00:34:28,900
sarcophagus is, you know, it's
like that's that's a balk beard,

547
00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:31,199
right there.
That's the the northern beard.

548
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:34,500
Same with the Anunnaki and the
trois the day than on from

549
00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:39,500
Ireland, all these shiny white,
you know, beings Blue eyes, and

550
00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:42,300
blond hair.
They all have these traits.

551
00:34:42,699 --> 00:34:45,600
The Shining one.
Do shining ones in the Hopi?

552
00:34:45,699 --> 00:34:50,000
Prophecy up?
I heard this Theory once that we

553
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:58,800
we are Atlantis, like the Earth
is Atlantis and we just with

554
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,700
time, we've lost our history and
we've just retold our history.

555
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:06,500
Now we think our history is just
fairy tales and a when you said

556
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,900
that.
What if the Was already rated

557
00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:13,600
and we've grown up with that
history in the Babylonian

558
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,900
already and whatever that maybe
that's what that reminded me of

559
00:35:17,900 --> 00:35:22,600
and I'm like it just kind of
dawned on me like whoa, exactly,

560
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,900
it's exactly that just kind of
lost everything in Translation

561
00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:28,100
there.
Yeah.

562
00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:29,900
There's like the hero's journey
thing right?

563
00:35:29,900 --> 00:35:32,800
I mean it's yeah always playing
the same Heroes stories over and

564
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,400
over and over again.
And yeah it's just it's kind of

565
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,000
like gets into the fractal
geometry of Of how psychedelic

566
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,100
this place is, everything's just
fractal.

567
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,400
Yeah, I think the there's a
saying about like only 12

568
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,600
stories have ever been.
Told they've just been told

569
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,400
different ways with different
characters but it's like the

570
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,800
same 12 stories and ever.
Going back to before stories

571
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,000
were thing.
You don't, I mean, it's like

572
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,900
they can all just be related,
you know, with a mirror image

573
00:35:58,900 --> 00:36:02,600
back to like self-discovery,
most of the time, and this is

574
00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:08,400
very reminiscent Jeff of the
Atlantis episode that you did.

575
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,800
Or Really, I think we were
trying to get Jeremy on board

576
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,400
with the idea that Atlantis was
like everything.

577
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:16,800
Right?
And then, all these cultures

578
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,400
belong to Atlantis.
And so, it was like, we kind of

579
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,600
used the like the Roman Empire,
the Roman Empire, controlled

580
00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:27,400
most of, you know, all the world
at the time, right?

581
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,500
The Civilized world.
And but you had, you know,

582
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:34,500
Israel and you had, you know,
India and you had all these

583
00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:37,600
other areas that were just all
mixed up in there, but they are

584
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,800
all the Roman Empire.
So the Romans had their

585
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,800
influence and everything.
You, so you would see, you know,

586
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,800
whatever you would say was
exclusively like oh this was,

587
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:51,000
you know, this areas are and
their culture and all sorts of

588
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,900
stuff.
Yes that may have been, but it

589
00:36:52,908 --> 00:36:56,900
was also Roman influenced
because they had, you know, that

590
00:36:56,900 --> 00:37:00,600
whole area under control.
And so I like that this is kind

591
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,300
of tying into all that what you
know Jeff you what you were

592
00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:05,400
really pushing on was that you
know.

593
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,300
Yeah.
You're saying the the

594
00:37:07,300 --> 00:37:12,300
Babylonians and you're seeing
The Assyrians and you're seeing

595
00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:14,600
all these different groups and
you're seeing, you know, all of

596
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:19,500
their all of their own
personalized style but who's to

597
00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:24,200
say that that style wasn't
influenced or didn't first

598
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,500
belong to this.
Other group, that it was

599
00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:29,100
basically all everybody at the
time.

600
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,700
Yeah.
It's like a bag disseminated

601
00:37:30,700 --> 00:37:33,100
downright.
It doesn't really like fuck with

602
00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:37,200
anybody's individual cultural
theories, you know, it kind of

603
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,100
just gives an Salute distant
past backdrop into it.

604
00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:44,300
All right, that's what a lot of
people, you know, get it first.

605
00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:48,300
It's like attacking exactly what
we believe or everything we

606
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:51,500
believe even about our language.
But then once you start to

607
00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:52,900
really understand, it's like,
all right.

608
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,400
This is just piecing everything
together in an interesting way

609
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,800
connecting to different parts of
the world, okay?

610
00:37:59,900 --> 00:38:03,900
That doesn't necessarily take
away from what cultures in you

611
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:09,000
know, 9,000 BC were thinking
because this is he Hans.

612
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,300
After The Saga of my
interpretation of these cultural

613
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:20,300
and symbolic carry over from the
old Saga times to what we're

614
00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:22,700
talking about with Babylon
Babylon.

615
00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:25,900
And and you know, all of
Mesopotamia and everything like

616
00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:27,600
that.
All the symbols being the same.

617
00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:32,800
I think a lot of it is is
because we don't have cultures

618
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,500
that exist for more than a
couple hundred years anymore, we

619
00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:38,500
have cultures that rise and fall
concert.

620
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:42,800
Only right and back then,
hypothetically.

621
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,500
This was a culture that was
existing for millions and

622
00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:49,500
millions of years uninterrupted.
Again in this if it works, don't

623
00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:53,000
break it kind of old way.
It just went around in a circle

624
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,900
over and over and over again.
I think personally it would take

625
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,100
that kind of time period.
To create muscle memory in us,

626
00:39:01,100 --> 00:39:04,400
where we're gurjit ating, these
same stories are regurgitating

627
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,900
the same symbols.
We may have picked up absolutely

628
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:11,500
meaningful.
Reason to justify the symbols on

629
00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:15,800
our own cultural Accord,
irregardless of what they meant

630
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,700
originally, you know, so that's
kind of my explanation as to why

631
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,900
the Saga doesn't necessarily
have to mess with anybody's

632
00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:25,700
other theories, because we're
talking about history.

633
00:39:25,700 --> 00:39:29,000
That's hypothetically, millions
of years before.

634
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,000
All of our ancient alien stories
anyway, you know what I mean?

635
00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:38,100
So, wild Uno's example, this
makes me think of like, I don't

636
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:40,000
know.
I have this weird fascination

637
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,300
with, like, old fantasy stuff,
right?

638
00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:45,400
So, like, Lord of the Rings for
his hell, yeah.

639
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,400
You know, I liked it.
I liked planning, right.

640
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,300
You know are like, did you guys
play Skyrim?

641
00:39:50,700 --> 00:39:52,300
Yeah.
Yeah, nobody played Skyrim,

642
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:54,500
right?
So I heard this Theory, maybe

643
00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:59,700
it's true that apparently Skyrim
Skyrim and Fallout her in the

644
00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:03,500
same universe, right?
And that from what I understand,

645
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:07,500
Skyrim is after fall out.
So, like after the nukes and all

646
00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:10,800
the radiation, then, thousands
of years later, people had like

647
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,600
magic powers.
They were living like with

648
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,800
swords and shit, but like, this
is this kind of thing makes me

649
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,000
think about this stuff, right?
Or I like how I was thinking

650
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,300
about Lord of the Rings.
I always like to imagine that

651
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:25,500
Middle-earth was a real place at
a point in time in past where

652
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:30,700
there was elves and fucking
Hobbits magic and all the shit,

653
00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:33,500
right?
And then that all gets lost with

654
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,100
Millions of years.
But that's what this makes me

655
00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:38,800
think of.
Like, we're talking about in the

656
00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:42,100
Box Saga, and I'm thinking
Middle, Earth makes me think of

657
00:40:42,107 --> 00:40:47,100
Never Ending Story and shit, but
then I told you this is obsessed

658
00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:51,300
with finished grammar and shit.
If you look at like like

659
00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:54,700
evolutionary charts of humans,
which some people might not

660
00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:59,300
agree with but you they have
found like homo floresiensis and

661
00:40:59,300 --> 00:41:04,000
like denisovans and all these
different types of Groups of

662
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,600
people and the farther you go
back from Homo, Sapien the more

663
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,900
and more like, animalistic.
They start to look and I think

664
00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:16,200
when you go back millions of
years to this kind of time

665
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:22,300
period, you can kind of see How
elves and dwarves could have had

666
00:41:22,700 --> 00:41:26,200
these types of Look to Him and
evolve to the point where

667
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:31,200
they're more human Homo Sapien
looking now and so that kind of

668
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,700
brings that together a little
bit.

669
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,000
Yeah.
Like the elongated skulls that

670
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,800
many have discovered and talked
about, like, we can't discount

671
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,400
that like, I discount Ancient
Aliens to this box.

672
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,200
August story all the time, but
the elongated skulls are really

673
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,600
interesting.
And I wonder if it does still

674
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,800
connect back to that time period
and we were just different maybe

675
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,100
these strongest and biggest that
were being bred, really

676
00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:03,100
resembled like tall Gray's or
something or these white Nordic

677
00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:07,300
aliens that the Diary talks
about and shit.

678
00:42:07,900 --> 00:42:09,400
You know, that's super
interesting.

679
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,800
I want to try to connect that
because you know when you get

680
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,100
into like ufologists and Island
and all the different races of

681
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:19,500
aliens and we made deals and all
this shit.

682
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,600
The tall Nordic beings are
always in the list of beings,

683
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,700
right?
Go pickle YouTube video of like

684
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:28,300
here's all the extra trash.
Yeah the nordics are definitely

685
00:42:28,300 --> 00:42:31,500
a thing, right.
So thinking about like this

686
00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:35,900
Advanced civilization emerging
from this Place.

687
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,700
Right?
That's been cut off for call it

688
00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:42,900
a hundred thousand years, right?
Millions oppose millions of

689
00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:45,000
years, right?
They talked at length of an Ice

690
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,500
Age, so long, so Advanced and
they come out and then all the

691
00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:50,800
other people on the, on the
planet, right?

692
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,800
Or plane or whatever.
They see these white people have

693
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,200
never seen white people.
Write The Shining ones that they

694
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,300
see and then like, I talked
about this last time, right?

695
00:43:00,300 --> 00:43:03,800
The man bag that we see on all
the reliefs and carvings, right?

696
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:09,100
Where he's these Beings that
came right, had this man bag,

697
00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:11,900
which Graham Hancock and other
people say like, that must be a

698
00:43:11,900 --> 00:43:15,600
symbol for the knowledge.
Somehow, because this is when

699
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,800
agriculture came, this is when
math started showing up, this is

700
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,800
when all these things started
popping up and it's like dude,

701
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:27,600
you know, I don't know man.
And you know what's funny is

702
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,500
last time I said somebody should
make a movie out of this and

703
00:43:29,500 --> 00:43:31,200
then I went and looked and
there's like a bunch.

704
00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:34,700
I don't know if they're any
good, I'm watching me or to the

705
00:43:34,700 --> 00:43:39,100
right.
Things is thinking of the movies

706
00:43:39,300 --> 00:43:46,000
Egyptian carvings and whatnot
like like the the Pharaohs with

707
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,200
dog heads and everything.
Hmm.

708
00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:51,000
He said that we looked for they
looked more animalistic and

709
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,000
everything.
Yeah well well in the Box Agha

710
00:43:54,000 --> 00:44:00,500
the the biggest hard to swallow
is the origin story about ape

711
00:44:00,500 --> 00:44:04,900
and and goat go being our
origin.

712
00:44:05,500 --> 00:44:08,800
Pan and the Goat symbolism.
Oh, the goat symbolism.

713
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,700
So who did that?
Who did what?

714
00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:15,800
Well if if our origin is between
yeah like who's spliced the

715
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,000
genes I guess?
Well so well that's an

716
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,200
interesting take.
I mean we usually don't the Box

717
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,600
plug, it doesn't claim that at
all Dan explains it pretty well.

718
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,400
Just buy like a necessity almost
of like nature or something.

719
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,800
Yes, it's essentially of aren't
you awfully Consciousness?

720
00:44:30,500 --> 00:44:32,100
Yeah, because get through, I
don't know.

721
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,500
But most things on the world
were wiped out.

722
00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:38,700
So you get to a point where
there's only a few things left,

723
00:44:38,700 --> 00:44:42,600
and they had a repopulate,
Normally a goat in the nape

724
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:50,500
couldn't procreate and have kids
together so funny but in this

725
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:54,200
instance they were able to
because it was a necessity to

726
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,200
keep life going.
So life always finds a way to

727
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,300
keep the existing and at this
time there wasn't very much life

728
00:45:01,300 --> 00:45:05,500
left and they had to exist so
they had to procreate in order

729
00:45:05,500 --> 00:45:13,200
to have some life that Snot like
does not like the sagas isn't

730
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,100
like The Saga kind of does it in
this very holy way where it's

731
00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:22,100
like the sun, you know, kind of
directed this to happen and it

732
00:45:22,100 --> 00:45:28,400
was in this one exact place in
the North Pole where the literal

733
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:33,300
Vortex is at the North Pole, in
this hole, where was this

734
00:45:33,300 --> 00:45:35,800
conception?
And this is where the two

735
00:45:35,900 --> 00:45:38,800
original humans.
Came out and Frey and Freya.

736
00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:43,000
Yeah.
And this is It's Holi because

737
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:48,500
the E which is a lowercase.
I in our language is a symbol of

738
00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:51,300
the pole and the north star
above.

739
00:45:51,300 --> 00:45:56,700
So it's the whole e and it's the
holy land, it's really weird.

740
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:02,100
That's why there's like two
stories of like creation to like

741
00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:04,300
in the Bible.
Right there, you have the your

742
00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:09,500
normal story which was God
created everything and then on

743
00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:13,400
the sixth day humans, And within
later than you get your Adam and

744
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:18,500
Eve story because afterwards,
they had to start over again

745
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:23,400
with the goat and the ape and
then that created The Fray and

746
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,400
Freya the Adam and Eve, and then
life.

747
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:33,100
So wild that you said that about
the son Andy because while Dan

748
00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:35,200
was talking before that, I was
thinking to myself, like, I

749
00:46:35,207 --> 00:46:39,100
wonder if, you know, some one of
the cataclysms in the back in

750
00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:42,400
the day was like some kind of
Solar flare or something, right?

751
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,900
And this uptick of radiation
from the Sun, something like

752
00:46:45,900 --> 00:46:48,500
that, and then you were like, oh
they said that the sun chain

753
00:46:48,500 --> 00:46:52,700
made this change happen and I'm
like yeah, like it was destined

754
00:46:52,700 --> 00:46:55,100
to happen.
Through didn't riots very

755
00:46:55,100 --> 00:46:57,500
mythological Story, the way they
put it.

756
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,200
So I mean this is the the big
who knows, right?

757
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,000
But it could be a scientific
explanation is what I'm saying,

758
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,900
right?
Like, we know that the sun can

759
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:11,600
cause evolutionary adaptations.
Things, right?

760
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,300
So like it's possible.
Yeah, it's possible that it

761
00:47:14,300 --> 00:47:16,600
especially for in some kind of
crazy alignment with other

762
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,700
celestial bodies, who knows what
kind of, you know,

763
00:47:19,700 --> 00:47:23,200
electromagnetic energies were
getting down here.

764
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,200
Plus some solar rays of
something and then boom DNA

765
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,100
shifts and goat in the monkey
are able to Bone.

766
00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:32,500
It's also, I don't know if I
mentioned this to you guys on

767
00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:37,700
take one, but my weird theory
about how when you look at the

768
00:47:37,700 --> 00:47:43,200
groups that are possibly in the
know Unlike our ancient history

769
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,800
and what all the symbols might
actually really mean.

770
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,900
It's almost like you can kind of
put it down to a duality of

771
00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:56,800
sorts and looking at the
prevalent scientific model is

772
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,700
that we come from apes.
And it's interesting that that's

773
00:47:59,700 --> 00:48:02,600
not a straight.
If you look at Saga, as if it's

774
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,400
the hidden history, it's not a
total lie that takes away from

775
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,900
the hidden history, but it's
missing one half and it's an

776
00:48:09,908 --> 00:48:13,200
important have to be Sing
because it's the goat.

777
00:48:13,300 --> 00:48:16,900
It's the most suppressed part of
History along with all of the

778
00:48:16,900 --> 00:48:20,300
heathenism that goes along with
the symbol of the goat, is the

779
00:48:20,300 --> 00:48:23,900
most demonized as well.
So it would be hypothetically,

780
00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:26,000
kind of interesting if it was
true.

781
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,400
And this would follow suit in
their whole, philosophy of

782
00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:33,800
destruction of that worldview
and hiding, it forever.

783
00:48:34,300 --> 00:48:37,800
And like only maintaining one
side of the, the story it would

784
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,800
be interesting, but that's just
a hypothetical This should

785
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,100
fascinates me, dude.
Didn't to think that like, all

786
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:48,900
of our civilization is rooted in
this, you know, much more

787
00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:52,500
ancient civilization and we're
just like doing it wrong.

788
00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:53,700
You know what I mean?
It's like we got a little

789
00:48:53,700 --> 00:48:56,800
Snippets of like how to do shit
and we're just doing it wrong

790
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,700
and they had it was not just the
Saga doing it either.

791
00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:03,000
There's a lot of etymologist
that will concur about the

792
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:08,100
phonetic roots of things and how
it's really the sound of letters

793
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:11,900
themselves and where you can
trace them back to And that's

794
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:14,200
kind of how you find the real
roots.

795
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:18,100
And it's not at all, what, you
know, what?

796
00:49:18,100 --> 00:49:20,800
It's like, what's accepted,
history will tell you, you know,

797
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,000
of where we were, you know,
tells a much different tale.

798
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,400
It seems.
What's the best?

799
00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:31,000
I'll go ahead, go ahead.
Well, I was going to say I as

800
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,300
like you mentioned last time
like it a lot of our current

801
00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:36,800
words are like little play on.
Hmm.

802
00:49:37,300 --> 00:49:41,200
Old like different words like I
can't.

803
00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:43,700
What you said in the first take,
but like, earlier, you said

804
00:49:43,700 --> 00:49:45,900
fairy tales.
I like, I wrote down here, I

805
00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:48,200
find that.
So, very interesting.

806
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,100
And like, now, I'm listening
very carefully for like, did I

807
00:49:52,107 --> 00:49:55,900
start seeing through the fall?
Like look at Irish mythology and

808
00:49:55,900 --> 00:49:59,200
Cynthia and like just follow it
all along and you find all of

809
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,000
these characters with bright,
blond hair, and all these, very

810
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,800
Viking looking or pre biking,
kind of looking.

811
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:11,900
There's also a liar in the
mythology, holy land, holy The

812
00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:15,300
hole that was another one.
Holy yeah.

813
00:50:15,300 --> 00:50:19,500
Pollen lands balance.
Yes it's like English is

814
00:50:19,500 --> 00:50:23,600
supposed to be much more recent
so it almost feels intentional,

815
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:24,600
right?
I was actually just saying this

816
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,100
to understand Ray's exert us
earlier that it feels

817
00:50:27,100 --> 00:50:31,100
intentional or like English is
like purposely hiding secrets

818
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,900
for people to find but I don't
even know if that's possible.

819
00:50:35,900 --> 00:50:40,800
I don't know if it's coated in
that way or if some other force

820
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,600
is Of.
It's almost like an intention

821
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,000
has to get through regardless.
I don't know.

822
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,900
It's a, it's absolutely
perplexing to me how it has

823
00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:55,600
occurred, but English is clearly
coded in some way, or disrupted

824
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,600
and it is tied to this third
Ragnarok, where the Catholics

825
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,600
destroy everything.
It seems where the language has

826
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,300
completely been decimated this
route language.

827
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:10,800
If that was true, then it would
make sense as to why English is

828
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:17,100
The dominant language on Earth.
I mean like I spent eight months

829
00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:20,100
in South Korea, they teach
English the way that, you know,

830
00:51:20,100 --> 00:51:23,800
our schools, teach Spanish and
stuff, but it's like everyone

831
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,400
that's young.
Their nose, at least enough

832
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,000
English to get by all these
other countries know English and

833
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,900
stuff.
You know, when trade deals go

834
00:51:29,900 --> 00:51:34,000
on, you know, around the world,
they're usually done in English,

835
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,300
right?
Or at least, you know, some of

836
00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:37,500
it.
And so, it's like and then also,

837
00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:42,400
now, I mean, I wonder if there
has anything to do with This

838
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:47,500
whole like seems like a huge
effort to like change the

839
00:51:47,500 --> 00:51:51,200
definitions of what these like
current words mean and stuff

840
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:51,900
like that.
Right?

841
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:53,400
Is there bingo?
You know?

842
00:51:53,700 --> 00:51:58,800
Yeah, because I mean, we're
talking about an oral story that

843
00:51:58,900 --> 00:52:02,100
is supposedly passed down from
generation to generation.

844
00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:05,900
It takes 20 years for the person
to really grasp it all in their

845
00:52:05,900 --> 00:52:09,600
heads, for Route language to
start kicking in in their head.

846
00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:13,200
And this is what Your Bach did
and all of his predecessors.

847
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:18,400
So we're talking about as soon
as it hits paper.

848
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:23,500
These words and letters can
break off from the original

849
00:52:23,500 --> 00:52:25,200
sound.
They're attached to

850
00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:29,800
pronunciation starts to blur the
lines and suddenly the story

851
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,400
doesn't make sense anymore, so
it falls apart right there.

852
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:38,600
So whether by coercion or not,
it's kind of like what I said.

853
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,100
Last time with it reminded me of
a show, buddy.

854
00:52:41,300 --> 00:52:44,600
Out chameleon down on the road
on the board.

855
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,800
But then when he said it out
loud, he said shamily on, it's

856
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:52,100
so easy to take a written word
and interpret it a different

857
00:52:52,100 --> 00:52:55,500
way.
And instead of getting million

858
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,200
you get shamily on.
Yeah.

859
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,700
And it's like we have I think
that human beings have had

860
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,200
unfortunately done this.
This is like the epic game of

861
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,300
telephone.
We've all been playing through

862
00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:08,800
disasters and Fallen Rises and
Falls of Empires, and this and

863
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:14,300
that as language changes, But
this one seems to be really

864
00:53:14,300 --> 00:53:18,000
particular with all the
inversions and everything and

865
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,600
that's what the you know the
parasite class is kind of known

866
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,400
for anyway, is this inversion.
But then we go even further.

867
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,100
We find out that inversion
itself was away for even the

868
00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:31,200
good guys to pass messages to
each other.

869
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,100
To not get found out.
It's interesting how they're the

870
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:38,200
further you go into the box
Agha, this line between the good

871
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,800
and bad guys.
Kind of seems to dismantle at

872
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,900
least Words in the terminologies
as we understand them.

873
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:50,900
Like Dan said the beginning, do
wheel, the wheel DeVille day,

874
00:53:50,900 --> 00:53:54,300
like a German person DeVille is
devil, you know.

875
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,000
But it's not even talking about
an individual.

876
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,200
It was actually a totally
different concept.

877
00:54:01,300 --> 00:54:04,200
Don't worry.
According to these old, these

878
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,800
old languages.
Yeah, it's really interesting

879
00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:11,100
and then we also a personalized.
So many e Moon.

880
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,500
System.
Oh, the immune system, right?

881
00:54:15,500 --> 00:54:17,800
Yeah.
Where you're getting Health by

882
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:22,000
drinking your own?
Come Mound is the Moon shaped.

883
00:54:22,900 --> 00:54:26,600
I want to break down the English
language so badly.

884
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:34,900
Now Gallagher was wild.
Well they say that English is a

885
00:54:34,908 --> 00:54:39,100
derivative of this route
language, It came it came out of

886
00:54:39,100 --> 00:54:44,600
that and Yaki said she has been
eating licorice Yeah, English

887
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:50,500
was from from the root but it's
also mixed with something, some

888
00:54:50,500 --> 00:54:53,900
other type of language.
Yucca said, he wasn't really

889
00:54:53,900 --> 00:54:58,200
sure.
Well but vaner could be all mr.

890
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,900
Sillens Monitor and root of x.
That's true.

891
00:55:01,900 --> 00:55:05,100
Sorry man.
Yeah, so then so then the

892
00:55:05,100 --> 00:55:08,000
English language is combined
with another one, so that's why

893
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:12,100
we still get saying some of the
the same meanings behind it.

894
00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:16,200
But then also, So you get, like
different ones to because the

895
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,800
two languages combine combine to
make the English.

896
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:24,800
If you look at English, it's
aimed angle the angle land.

897
00:55:25,100 --> 00:55:27,400
The England, it's the angel
language.

898
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,700
So it's the language of the
angels, and then kind of even

899
00:55:31,700 --> 00:55:36,500
goes back into like Rune stones,
and then Odin hanging from the

900
00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:39,200
world tree upside down to see
the rooms, the rooms were

901
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:44,900
already in existence, and he
plucked them from Whatever by

902
00:55:44,900 --> 00:55:50,500
given is Iowa.
And so you have this idea of him

903
00:55:50,500 --> 00:55:54,500
finding this language and given
it to Mankind and then Babylon

904
00:55:54,700 --> 00:55:59,700
being is that when the language
got changed the Tower of Babel

905
00:55:59,700 --> 00:56:02,500
so they were able to put pen to
paper.

906
00:56:02,500 --> 00:56:07,700
Then they started to mess with
the meanings and pronunciations

907
00:56:07,700 --> 00:56:11,700
and then that's when everything
kind of changed, but you have

908
00:56:11,700 --> 00:56:17,100
this connection with Like I have
a book about angels and in it is

909
00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:21,000
the Angel language and it looks
just like fucking runestones.

910
00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:22,600
It's interesting.
You said that because I was

911
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:28,100
literally thinking that maybe
the tower Babel story is like a

912
00:56:28,100 --> 00:56:30,700
story about this.
Like when the when the story

913
00:56:30,700 --> 00:56:33,500
went from being oral oral to
written up.

914
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,500
Yeah.
And everything just got funny.

915
00:56:35,500 --> 00:56:37,900
Yeah.
Also like when we think about

916
00:56:37,900 --> 00:56:42,200
God being the one that like
breaks the tower you gotta think

917
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:46,300
the Catholic Church.
Standing in place of God, which

918
00:56:46,900 --> 00:56:49,400
from the Heathen point of view
was a word.

919
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:55,400
That's that meant got or good
like good within is your gut

920
00:56:55,400 --> 00:57:01,500
intuition intention.
So that was externalized through

921
00:57:01,500 --> 00:57:06,300
this Catholic changing.
It was like a hijacking of this

922
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,000
internal experience.
We all have and externalizing

923
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,300
it.
Well it's a the Tower of Babel

924
00:57:12,300 --> 00:57:16,400
was way.
Before Catholicism because it

925
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,200
was pre-flood.
Well yeah, yeah.

926
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,700
So it doesn't make sense to me,
but well, it would include in

927
00:57:22,700 --> 00:57:26,900
post-flood but way before
Catholicism Catholicism became a

928
00:57:26,908 --> 00:57:29,500
ground from emperor,
Constantine, you know.

929
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,600
Yeah so I mean yeah way way
before.

930
00:57:33,300 --> 00:57:37,800
Yeah basilia, super interesting,
man, that is you should

931
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,300
interesting point.
Let's like we do see in the Box

932
00:57:41,300 --> 00:57:45,400
log of this absolute Washing of
the heat of everything he then

933
00:57:45,700 --> 00:57:50,800
it would be the proper place to
put that and that allegory but I

934
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,200
mean, what do you guys think?
What?

935
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,300
What would have gone?
Because I've thought about that,

936
00:57:54,300 --> 00:57:55,700
too would have had to have
happened.

937
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,300
Probably we're also probably
describing some sort of natural

938
00:57:59,300 --> 00:58:02,700
process, a game of telephone,
again, in some ways.

939
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,700
So I don't know.
It might have been taken eons

940
00:58:05,700 --> 00:58:07,800
through natural disasters for
this to happen.

941
00:58:08,100 --> 00:58:11,500
So the first first written
language that they found was

942
00:58:12,700 --> 00:58:16,400
like, Pastor Harris or enuma
Elish from Sumeria.

943
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:21,300
But I looked into some, I was
chasing down the tribe of Dan

944
00:58:21,700 --> 00:58:25,700
and I found that there on
Ancient Origins website.

945
00:58:25,700 --> 00:58:30,000
They had talked about, they
found an ancient script writing

946
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:36,100
in the Black Sea and they
believe that this riding wasn't

947
00:58:36,100 --> 00:58:38,700
typically use.
It wasn't used for trade and

948
00:58:38,700 --> 00:58:42,700
barter like writing typically
was used for they said that it

949
00:58:42,700 --> 00:58:46,600
had More of like symbolic nature
to it and look like it was used

950
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:51,400
for magic or income patients and
so that may be the reason why

951
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:59,600
the writing existed in the first
place was to spell makes bells

952
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,200
and so that's where we get
spelling from.

953
00:59:02,500 --> 00:59:06,700
I mean a lot of people have
heard that before already but so

954
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,900
but the idea that the reason why
they first started putting

955
00:59:10,900 --> 00:59:15,000
things on paper was to do and
Asians and spells and do, the

956
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:19,400
magic is pretty interesting and
provocative and then that whole

957
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:25,200
thing ties into what they
called, the Danube River Valley

958
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:29,900
Civilization, which was around
the Black Sea area and this

959
00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:34,300
predated the Sumerian history by
two to three thousand years.

960
00:59:34,300 --> 00:59:39,700
So looking at around 5,000 to
4,000 BC.

961
00:59:40,500 --> 00:59:42,300
So that's a pretty long time
ago.

962
00:59:42,300 --> 00:59:46,700
So, I mean, that could really
kind of be in part where the

963
00:59:46,700 --> 00:59:51,200
Tower of Babel story could have
been, because it was that long

964
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:57,600
ago, so That's true.
Either way it's like we're

965
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,800
recovering a living language or
something because the more we

966
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,900
look into how this route
language is set up, the more we

967
01:00:04,900 --> 01:00:07,600
can kind of connected to other
motifs in history and different

968
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,600
time periods and see not how
these humans may have

969
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:15,300
intentionally or no of
knowledgeably were connecting

970
01:00:15,300 --> 01:00:20,300
it, which is how it's possibly,
even just naturally happening

971
01:00:20,300 --> 01:00:23,100
throughout our history were
connecting to these same.

972
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:28,500
Otice over and over again.
It's wild the first first

973
01:00:29,100 --> 01:00:31,600
writings used for spells and
that's why we have the word

974
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:35,900
spelling, right?
I'm just putting two and two

975
01:00:35,900 --> 01:00:38,500
together Batman.
So a lot of people talk about

976
01:00:38,500 --> 01:00:42,900
like so obviously and curse
curse words and all that kind of

977
01:00:42,908 --> 01:00:45,900
stuff, it comes up often.
So I was just putting it a

978
01:00:45,908 --> 01:00:49,500
little bit more perspective from
like actual stuff that they have

979
01:00:49,500 --> 01:00:52,200
found historically.
That might actually no longer

980
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,200
like, I got it like it.
He's just yeah, yeah, I got it

981
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:59,000
like, yeah, you just kind of
like throwing it around my head

982
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,300
like you know we call it
spelling right?

983
01:01:01,300 --> 01:01:05,500
That's how we spell things and
originally made up for, for

984
01:01:05,900 --> 01:01:09,300
casting spells, right?
So I was like, yeah, two and two

985
01:01:09,308 --> 01:01:11,700
together my head, I was like,
that's funny, you're doing a lot

986
01:01:11,700 --> 01:01:16,700
of a lot of the old manuscripts
were like about like spelling

987
01:01:16,700 --> 01:01:18,500
and stuff.
Like what's that big old book

988
01:01:18,500 --> 01:01:21,400
that they found?
That's all fucking creepy and

989
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:25,100
evil-looking and just fool like
Codex gigas.

990
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:28,700
No, no, dude.
Is that what it's called?

991
01:01:28,700 --> 01:01:33,400
I don't think it's called that.
The Codex gigas like the Devil's

992
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,400
Bible.
You have a better class of the,

993
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,100
but Devil's Bible.
It's like, yeah, he fights.

994
01:01:38,100 --> 01:01:41,800
Yes, fucking huge.
He has knowledge around that.

995
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,100
I'm going to look it up.
It's pretty intense.

996
01:01:44,100 --> 01:01:45,200
That's what you guys could do
it.

997
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,400
A whole is, it's made out of
human skin.

998
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:53,000
Like that was like, could be did
wrong by the papacy or something

999
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,800
like that and instead of killing
him, they allowed him to like

1000
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,900
write a book that would like
include all of the histories of

1001
01:01:59,900 --> 01:02:03,400
all the world.
But To do it one night to live

1002
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:07,900
or something like and he like
calls upon the Devil, it's nuts.

1003
01:02:07,900 --> 01:02:11,700
But then here we have this
physical ridiculous manuscript,

1004
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,400
all appearing to be in the same
exact penmanship throughout the

1005
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:19,500
entire thing and people say that
it would have it should have

1006
01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:23,600
taken like 25 years to complete
or some shit like that.

1007
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:28,700
It's pretty wild.
But yeah dude all this shit is

1008
01:02:28,700 --> 01:02:31,800
so awesome.
I wish it wasn't after a 11:00

1009
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,000
because I totally just want to
like talk about this for five

1010
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,900
hours.
I'm so tired.

1011
01:02:38,100 --> 01:02:40,400
It's not even like I'm tired.
Exactly what he sounds like.

1012
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,100
It's crazy.
It's just that I do Jeff

1013
01:02:43,100 --> 01:02:45,300
Impressions.
Stand-up comedy lounges, it's

1014
01:02:45,300 --> 01:02:46,700
pretty great.
Now I'm just gets a good man.

1015
01:02:46,700 --> 01:02:50,200
I'm glad I'm glad that it works
out there really for me.

1016
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:53,400
Can't wait for our next horns
up.

1017
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,300
Episode brother.
I j me either.

1018
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,500
I'm excited.
They're really for us.

1019
01:02:59,100 --> 01:03:02,600
Um, yeah.
So Before we go, like, what do

1020
01:03:02,607 --> 01:03:06,100
you think would be like the best
resource to like get more info

1021
01:03:06,100 --> 01:03:09,900
on Bock Saga?
I would say Jim chezz nur's

1022
01:03:09,900 --> 01:03:13,600
documentaries on YouTube, you
know, or the book Jim by Carl.

1023
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:15,200
You organized manner?
Yeah.

1024
01:03:16,100 --> 01:03:18,100
Yeah.
Type in gym, chess nerd,

1025
01:03:18,100 --> 01:03:24,100
chess960 are and the
documentaries are welcome to

1026
01:03:24,100 --> 01:03:27,500
Hell.
Welcome to Atlantis, and welcome

1027
01:03:27,500 --> 01:03:32,400
to Rajasthan, and he tells all
of these Stories much more

1028
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,500
fluently, much more
chronologically.

1029
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:39,000
He includes so much of history
that we understand, and we've

1030
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:44,700
heard and just connect it all
and shows you how it's related

1031
01:03:44,700 --> 01:03:48,200
to this Saga.
It's not something any and I are

1032
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,800
not experts on the Saga, like
we've only been little more

1033
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:55,000
facet.
I've learned and learning and

1034
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,600
learning about it for maybe two
years and I think, and he's like

1035
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,600
what?
Like a year now probably.

1036
01:04:01,300 --> 01:04:03,200
Are so probably.
Yeah, yeah.

1037
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:07,700
So, like a lot of this stuff
like we talked to y'all K about

1038
01:04:07,700 --> 01:04:09,400
because we're unsure about
things.

1039
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,500
We don't know everything in
here.

1040
01:04:13,300 --> 01:04:17,200
So I mean, it takes a lot of
learning, a lot of study to

1041
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:21,400
remember a lot of this stuff,
because it's so deep, you know.

1042
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,900
So I also recommend the Box Saga
introduction.

1043
01:04:24,900 --> 01:04:29,700
The book is because for one it
goes through everything really

1044
01:04:29,700 --> 01:04:32,600
well and there.
There's stuff in there that is

1045
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,600
not in the videos and it's a
physical copy.

1046
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:40,400
So you can actually see the
words on paper, which helps me

1047
01:04:40,500 --> 01:04:45,800
remember things, when I actually
just read it instead of hear it

1048
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,100
sometimes.
So also like you know I have

1049
01:04:49,100 --> 01:04:53,100
like tons of notes in mine and
like bookmarks freaking

1050
01:04:53,100 --> 01:04:55,000
everywhere of all these
different things.

1051
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,300
There's so many like interesting
things in it talks about the

1052
01:04:59,300 --> 01:05:03,300
military system and how that was
A live system, not a death

1053
01:05:03,300 --> 01:05:08,400
system, why it's called
infantry, why it's called like

1054
01:05:08,900 --> 01:05:13,800
military and all these different
ideas that come out of that

1055
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:18,800
whole thing and it was used for
this procreation system.

1056
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,400
So, yeah, that's all very
fascinating.

1057
01:05:23,500 --> 01:05:27,200
It also talks has a lot of other
different word references in it

1058
01:05:27,900 --> 01:05:29,900
tells you a lot about other
different things.

1059
01:05:29,900 --> 01:05:34,200
It talks about Jerusalem, L'm
being like the place where that

1060
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:39,700
they kind of concentrated the
the lemon kind in and the swan

1061
01:05:41,100 --> 01:05:44,200
had sex at is like their
honeymoon Palace basically,

1062
01:05:46,100 --> 01:05:48,900
there's there's so many
different aspects of The Saga

1063
01:05:48,900 --> 01:05:51,700
that like if you just hear these
basic ones that kind of gives

1064
01:05:51,700 --> 01:05:55,500
you a little bit of a background
on, like the historical aspect

1065
01:05:55,500 --> 01:05:58,300
of it, but when you get into it
and you get into these little

1066
01:05:58,300 --> 01:06:01,100
stories and you start to see
those connections.

1067
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,600
As with other things going on in
the world and other things in

1068
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:09,100
history that really starts to
bring out more aspects of this

1069
01:06:09,500 --> 01:06:11,800
together.
So I definitely recommend

1070
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:16,000
getting the book and there's
also I think box Saga info box

1071
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,700
Saga dot info.
That it ND.

1072
01:06:19,300 --> 01:06:22,800
Yeah, Bock, Saga taught info.
It's run by a couple of the guys

1073
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:26,100
that are were close with the
your and carry on.

1074
01:06:26,100 --> 01:06:31,000
A lot of the, there is a huge
gallery of pictures and old.

1075
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,500
Videos, everything has been
converted from like VHS tape, so

1076
01:06:34,500 --> 01:06:38,200
a lot of its scratchy, a lot of
the audio sucks but they're

1077
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:43,200
these tons of videos from 1984
all the way up to now of

1078
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,600
different interviews and
different friends of yours.

1079
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:51,500
Telling the story, I would say,
if, if you're interested, check

1080
01:06:51,500 --> 01:06:55,500
out Jim Chesney on YouTube.
Then, if you're still interested

1081
01:06:55,500 --> 01:06:57,600
you want to learn more, get the
book.

1082
01:06:57,900 --> 01:07:01,000
Then after that, if you really
want to get deeper, then start

1083
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,600
walking.
Doing a lot of the videos on and

1084
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:08,500
listening to the audio on Bock
Saga info because then you'll

1085
01:07:08,500 --> 01:07:11,800
get even more.
But that, that I would say that

1086
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:15,800
would be my progression with it
for people, especially trying to

1087
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:20,200
dip their toes in it because
there's a lot there and it can

1088
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,900
be kind of overwhelming if
you're if you're not really

1089
01:07:22,900 --> 01:07:27,600
prepared for it.
Alrighty guys, sorry about that.

1090
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:32,400
We had some technical
difficulties Andy Dan.

1091
01:07:32,500 --> 01:07:35,000
Thank you so much for coming on
the infinite Rabbit Hole, where

1092
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:39,500
can The Travelers the listeners?
Find you guys and get more

1093
01:07:39,500 --> 01:07:42,400
information from your different
podcast and different things

1094
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,700
that you guys do.
Thanks for having us again for

1095
01:07:45,700 --> 01:07:47,600
take to.
I'm glad we got it nailed down

1096
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,300
this time and you could find me
any arouse.

1097
01:07:50,300 --> 01:07:54,100
Had the Deep share on social
media and my podcast the deeps.

1098
01:07:54,100 --> 01:07:58,500
Your podcast is on Every podcast
app and you can find it on

1099
01:07:58,500 --> 01:08:03,500
YouTube, Odyssey, Rock, Finn.
And yeah that's about it, thanks

1100
01:08:03,500 --> 01:08:05,700
again.
Yeah, thanks guys.

1101
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,000
I am down or knock you down.
I'm on Rising From the Ashes.

1102
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,300
I co-host that with the homie
Romy.

1103
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:18,300
I also do horns up and the Deep
chill with Andy, on our patreon

1104
01:08:19,100 --> 01:08:21,700
patreon rising from the ashes
and patreon.

1105
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,800
The Deep share.
If you want to catch those

1106
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:28,300
episodes, Yeah, either one.
Yep.

1107
01:08:28,700 --> 01:08:30,800
And then, no, that's about it,
man.

1108
01:08:31,500 --> 01:08:37,100
That's where you can find me.
And on Instagram, I'm on the G,

1109
01:08:38,500 --> 01:08:43,300
the G, The Grail Mustang is
succulent voice down.

1110
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:49,800
I just wanted to say really
quickly before everybody says,

1111
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,899
goodbye and whatnot.
Jake and I are wearing the same

1112
01:08:52,899 --> 01:08:56,100
Bigfoot shirts.
Oh, stand up, I can't see it.

1113
01:08:56,100 --> 01:08:59,800
Then that's a great bigfoot
shirt.

1114
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:04,600
Are you guys related are, you
know, Were twins.

1115
01:09:04,700 --> 01:09:05,899
Yeah.
What do you want in today

1116
01:09:05,899 --> 01:09:11,100
though?
No, we just sell them and they

1117
01:09:11,100 --> 01:09:14,600
like to wear their own merch.
Yeah, in like that.

1118
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:22,600
So yeah.
And I made Bigfoot into the

1119
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,399
episode.
So that's right.

1120
01:09:24,399 --> 01:09:27,300
Thank you so much.
All right, I'm gonna go Giants

1121
01:09:27,300 --> 01:09:34,000
and connected it to redo it.
Take three Very well.

1122
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,200
We'll just have you guys back
on.

1123
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:37,500
I'm sure there's a lot more
information to be covering

1124
01:09:37,500 --> 01:09:40,000
Jeremy on time.
And yeah.

1125
01:09:40,399 --> 01:09:43,300
Well we'll pick his brain for
this to know, for sure.

1126
01:09:43,300 --> 01:09:44,800
Yeah.
I think Jeremy would really like

1127
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:45,600
this.
He'd really big.

1128
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,200
It can't say he'd buy it but I
think he'd really dig.

1129
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:53,200
It have watched some videos.
First I wish we could have gone

1130
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:56,000
longer Man Too bad.
Jeff had to go to bed.

1131
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:59,000
I got it.
Yeah, we're on the East Coast.

1132
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,900
We can't help where we are is,
were all in the west coast Main

1133
01:10:02,900 --> 01:10:05,500
and you're over here, it's like,
about to It's Gettin.

1134
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,500
It's Gettin close to, my
bedtime, tend to become our oh,

1135
01:10:08,500 --> 01:10:10,300
it's probably it's Morrowind up
in here.

1136
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,500
All righty then, well, then
we'll call it so that Jeff stops

1137
01:10:14,500 --> 01:10:18,000
complaining about it again.
Thank you, Dan, and Andy for

1138
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,500
coming on, this has been another
episode of the infinite Rabbit

1139
01:10:21,500 --> 01:10:23,100
Hole.
Thank you so much for joining us

1140
01:10:23,100 --> 01:10:26,000
and we'll see you next time at
the next path of the infant.

1141
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,700
Whole bye.
Bye, bye.

1142
01:10:30,300 --> 01:10:33,100
Peace.
Got to say it, Dan.

1143
01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:35,700
Wake up Mariah.