The Bock Sage ft. Andy Rouse from The Deep Share Podcast and Danunaki Dan from Rising From The Ashes

0:02 I'm Gideon from the burning Vale podcast and you for listening to the infinite Rabbit Hole. Keep it up guys, you doing a great job. Welcome back to the infinite Rabbit Hole. I'm your host, Jeff today, we're doing a redo because the first time we did it didn't work.

0:52 So we're doing a round two. We're going to kind of pretend like we don't know what they're talking about but also not really because there's a lot of info. So I want to know more but before we introduce who we're talking to and what we're talking about, let's introduce the co-hosts. We will start ladies first kid, what is up? How are you? Oh, I thought you were actually an energy State. Jake first shots fired. So I just felt like being a bully today. Jake said he was a bully when I jumped on here so I figured I'd give his medicine back to him.

1:36 Karma. You're just a mean lady. What's up, Jake? How you feel about that? Well, my back already heard this, I got this heating pad on it but now my heart hurts. So, you know, I work out hurts to my pride was hurting last, really love you. Jake. I'm recording this, I know. Yeah, it was funny. So we had, we had the take one, right? And Dan, one of our, one of our guests here was talking about how Zen Caster sometimes. We'll just drop all your stuff and, and crap itself and stuff. And then I was like, Now there's, you know, no way it was then cast has been great for us and stuff and literally that episode, it crapped out and dropped all of Dan's audio.

2:25 So, here we are recording it again. So, yeah, right there, it's a back hurts or caster loves in Caster with your heels together, three times and it's not on loves looking in the mirror. Whisper, sweet nothings. Yes, but so speaking of this, the topic we're Here, we're not covering shit. We're listening to a couple other people tell us about the Box Saga. And those couple other people are my good friends, Dan, Dan, your Naki Dan and Andy from The Deep share podcast, dance from the rising from the ashes podcast. You guys have like 10,000 other podcast but what is up gentlemen? How's it going, man?

3:06 We are having us again. Hardly have any? Yes, welcome back. I don't either. Really I mean whores, it's starting to happen and then I like I got in control of the spider web, that's good. Good move. I'm juggling now with three. It's like shit. But yeah I mean any just do the show with chills up. Yeah we do horns up and then our regular shows So aficionados. Yeah, yeah, just a good professionals, we try. I like it. So most people are probably gonna be like what did he say? We're talking about Bock Saga. Fox boc kill, don't know where to start with this. So I'm just going to kind of lay this. I got one of you guys.

3:54 Yeah, I got a good like intro going here. Basically. It's an entire different history. It's one story. From of about one family based on one sound system and the sound system is called root language. And this route language spoken by these people. This story comes from Finland tells the story of the human race, according to this Saga and it's extremely intense. So that's a little just the intro, I guess. But um, yeah, hidden history of humanity. Yeah, basically, yeah, the roots of The inversion we see all the time, a lot of the word magic word play puns that we see pop up in a lot of topics. This seems to have have that same behavior, but with a lot more magnitude behind it, the etymology of things. So I was thinking about this a little bit earlier about, like, how you guys might approach kind of talking about this in a way that's a little bit more digestible, right? Just from like, what I've heard you guys talked about on other shows.

5:10 I feel like when I hear you guys, talk about the geography situation, right? Like the physical layout of the whole situation like that, that's what clicked for me. And then it made the rest of the ship makes sense, but you talk about the concentric rings. The Rings and just like, we're like, how this? Yeah, the whole day, ah, the physical aspect of it. So, the story goes through the time periods of paradise, time, and then alt slant. He's or Atlantis, which is the ice time, and then history. And in Paradise time the Earth was upright.

5:50 It was before the Tilt happened, supposedly, and this puts Inky at the very top of the world. But at that time, it was called hell and it was seven islands with an island in the middle. And it was all called odenma, which is also the name of the son who didn't. And so it was like the place of udun and this Society was structured in concentric Rings. Very much. Like what we see in Atlantis folklore and that makes sense, because These ring cities in this story were all over the planet.

6:34 And Paradise time, the entire planet was tropical. Experiencing good weather for growth and sustainable life and up in the North Pole where this Society was taking place where Humanity was supposedly coming out of it's called this place called the a sir from there. I kind of lost my train of thought there. There's so much to it but yeah ask me some more questions so yeah. I got you a question. Yeah exactly. Is there any so I know that based off the different theories of like the Flat Earth or the hollow Earth or whatever it is?

7:18 Some people have kind of tried to illustrate that. Is there any good illustrations that people can find online? That would kind of explain this in a way. Anything that you've come across, unfortunately, not but I really am because Comes up a lot and it's important and I think a lot of people bring it up because it's important. I think I want to start trying to make some drawings of what this kind of looked like better for people, especially the different time. Period thing, the paradise time is one thing and then you have Atlantis or as they say in this story, all plan tesol. The land is ice, which is when the earth tilts, this is ragna Rook the great destruction.

7:59 And when this happens, the Ooh, ice covers the Northern Hemisphere. All the lands are covered in ice, except for Odin ma, which is no longer at the top of the planet anymore. But because of the Gulf Stream, they say it kept all the waters in the Gulf of Finland. Warm and the are warm enough to create this. As they say rosette or this Figure 8, which kept the water, they're kept, the are warm in this one place creating this. Big unfrozen area where they were able to survive, while the entire rest of the northern hemisphere was covered in ice.

8:39 Kind of like an oasis but not in the desert, right? And Dan, you always go into the, the lands like all the actual names of the countries. Now that we're talking about to kind of give it a little bit more Dimension here. I always forget like most of them at the time but like Finland and England and Green land. I put a link in in the chat notes so you guys can click on it. This is a the yggdrasill tree. And it shows like a like a world and that with a tree and then it'll shows you the rock in the middle. That's the Tree of Life coming out from that and then you can see kind of like four rivers coming out from from there.

9:26 And you can see like a ring around in the inside, which is actually the Ouroboros. And then on the outside of that yggdrasill image, you see a big ice wall, And so, this is kind of, this is kind of a pretty close example. I would say of what we would in my look like during the ice time because it was surrounded by this ice wall, and it was called all all land. Alt fuck all, and eise, because all land was I so Ireland, Scotland, England, Dane land Poland. All the lands surrounding this area, we're all covered in ice so they got trapped in this area, they couldn't get out of there.

10:18 But inside of the ice, it's still It's not like Frozen inside. They can still, it's still livable habitat, but there are also, you know, stay on tunnels and they're going underground to. I mean, I'm sure certain time periods or certain times of the year were probably a lot worse than others. I don't, it doesn't, I don't necessarily know that exactly. But, well, the story kind of concludes that altar. Auntie's that time period created the Arctic people along with the art, you know, just like the arctic animals, like are the dark tropical skin turned white.

11:04 Lost the melanin, and blue eyes, and green eyes. Blond hair, red hair, came in. The Caucasian race was born, according to this Saga. And then, of course, we connected to the, the next disaster, which is when the ice starts to Proceed and they don't necessarily talk about the melting of the ice, but they talk about the ice scraping across the surface of the Earth. So it was like moving south and it destroys oudin. My again which is interesting because just that play on words Helsinki, this place was known as hell and it sunk and this is also an interesting reference to a lot of the stories you hear about Atlantis even when you get into like the woo, when people are like channeling and Fucking haven't past life regression back to like oh I was at Atlantis and stuff like that. It's all about this destruction in this like flooding and everything.

12:01 So that's an interesting connection there as well. But when they come out of the ice, they're bound to meet up with the rest of the world that has been like, thousands of years stunted compared to them, because they were trapped under the ice for so long. And when they come out the ice, I think this is kind of when we get the, the guy. God's idea, the, the Greek gods, the Nephilim. Well then yeah, the Annunaki and all these other different types of God's idea because I think at that time they were Maybe even a little later. There are starting to go around and trying to re civilize these civilizations because there was a catastrophe that wiped everything out, right?

12:48 But I think there's probably lots of different catastrophe. So I couldn't say exactly which one, but they didn't come out until like the younger dries, basically that time melted the ice or broke the ice apart. Depending upon where you go. If either comet impact or just Climate change, you know, whatever, however you want to go with that. So is this where they just like in an area that wasn't covered in a glacier or where they like under this Glacier somehow? And like a cavern, you'd picture basically. An entire area. That was surrounded by a mile high Glacier in every direction. But that was saying we're talking about. Like I mean if you think about the size of the actual Physical City of Helsinki and go a little further than that because you have to include some of the islands that are south of it that are included in the story as well. We're talking about a massive area, so it's like it's, you know, picture Game of Thrones like you see the fucking wall of ice and it just keeps going and you don't see The self castle and or anything like that, because it's so far away, it's a big area, and it's just a slight, it's the Arctic. So it's really cold.

14:11 We know what it's like in Iceland and Finland and Norway and places like that. It's that climate basically we're outside of it. We're probably worse than that than what it is now, of course. But like, it was just remaining habitable not necessarily Paradise at all anymore. So things Changed like in their, their fertility rites in their, their systems changed. But they still mirrored what they were trying to do before and everything, but it's an interesting story. I'm glad you brought that up because that was exactly what I was thinking. And was, I was trying to wrap my head around like, the losing of the melanin and stuff, and then basically, creating white people and everything else is like, but if it was a Tropical Paradise, and that's kind of what I had in my head.

14:58 But yeah, if you pick Like an Iceland sort of thing it's just like, okay, so habitable but not like, you know, hey, let's go hit the beach in oh no, no, they do kind of claim that. That's what it was in Paradise time before you know, before the tilts happens and everything. But once this Ice Age happens, we it's the setup. At least maybe not now but like you know it's the setup for what Scandinavia is kind of like. Now, I would say probably worse though. So you mentioned, fertility, rites and I heard you guys talked about this on Tinfoil hat. Could you talk about that a little bit? Yeah the offer Rings system and it's all tied into the language and everything. There's so many angles to come at it. Like the just the simple idea that our entire language, every language all of our alphabets and keep in mind that this ringed like letter system that they call the root language, this alphabet is called Al furnace bettin so it's like very close to Germanic already and Modern English And it means the rhyme of the all-father or the rhyme of elves. So that's interesting too.

16:08 I have the book here, I have the whole alphabet. I could go into that if you really wanted me to Yeah, we could could I would like to do that but I was desperate to the fertility. Yeah. So the offer a so the idea that every letter, every single letter that we know is comprised of either a hole or a part of a ring or a pole, it's all lines and poles and quite literally The Saga, takes it to the level. Where this is like the most simple part of the story, too. Because it all starts with sex, it's all about. Literally the rod and the whole and all that. It's the symbolism of that entirely and one of the 40's. Yeah a bingo.

16:52 That's a great example. Also it's so the fertility rites. It's it's kind of like think of how we look at like the blood writes that a lot of like evil Cults are doing these days. It's almost like they there was an inversion of that or the blood rights are an inversion of what it It used to be which was semen. And the semen was like the seed of God that was being like nurtured and and produced by the energy of the sun into the human being. So this seed was Paramount and it was the sun it was the energy, it was everything. Yeah I can get into this stuff just I know this part really well the the so they the sun was the sole so who did Mama was the sun and the soul I was trying to In that poem.

17:44 That's what I'm doing. Looking through the book which is interesting because we named our son Soul. Yeah, exactly. So what they say is that, why changer, right? The sun is what gives us our soul and that goes into our sperm. So what they wanted to do is try to keep that Soul whole with the wheel. The devil that devil will this is the The wholeness of keeping that all together. So they created these caste systems, which was like a way for the procreation system because the last son was not able the last caste system mail was not able to procreate because he was too far out of like this.

18:38 The sole container because once they didn't want it to like dwindle down too much and get diluted, so they made it so that there's these caste system. So so that way it all goes back towards the center again and it stays strong. And so they had like it's kind of hard to like selective breeding basically. They were they were yeah. Only breeding, like, the strongest males with, you know. Yeah. They were keeping that same seed. They want basically keeping it in the family, but not really, it wasn't like direct incest or anything. Like we see again, we see a lot of that kind of shit today. But this was more like a Like a mathematical set up from cast to cast a cast and then less Dan said at the end of the caste systems in that ring system, it would like kind of recycled back through.

19:36 Yeah. And a lot of people, a lot of people that are in Tubac Saga that still can't completely swallow. No pun intended. What this ritual is at least being claimed as by The Originators of the story, which is a lot of fellatio, a lot of sexual Writes like that of taking in the seed and everything yourself, making it stronger and stronger, things like that, they can also relate it to other Traditions around the world that are less direct and physical of that metaphor or maybe the should I say like the other cultures are more metaphoric with it where it's like semen retention but it's still the same idea and Bock, Saga, claims that.

20:20 All those cultures originally came from this one breeding system. So it's kind of that At idea holding on to this and making it stronger. It's a lot to swallow. Well I mean it makes sense if you really think about. Like I mean you could think about royal families just in the sense of the history that we're told right. You know. Yeah. All royal families, they were inbreeding. That's true. No. Well, that's why they were marrying, would say, that's why the whole family's now is to try to keep that seed as strong as it once was without diluting it. So they have to do Within their own like Family Lines because that's the only place where that seed is available or left.

21:04 That just seems backwards to me, which part the whole inbreeding part. Well, yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah. We're talking and understanding is trying to make but like, it just seems backwards to me. Yeah, nowadays, you get like all kinds of messed up stuff when you started doing that, you know. Oh yeah. This also starts to expose when you start to look into this and what it's really saying, you start to see like big archetype start popping up to you start seeing This like, keep it in closed. Like the closed-off society versus a wide-open. One with no rules. You see, a lot of like old control versus like new age? Luciferian wild Spirits.

21:49 You know. It's very like contrasty there and we kind of relate, a lot of Dan. And I talk deep about like, certain parts of history, that relate to this and talk about like certain members of The Saga in the family, which we can kind of consider line. Lines. We can't really think it's like an individual, but lines of families moving in a certain direction where equating two things like the, the fall, you know, of Lucifer we're talking about like a member of the Box Saga leaving the old way behind and kind of like hubris thinking himself to be the King when he wasn't. And this leads into like Egyptian stories of raw, the sun, the Sun King Because in the Box OG of the firstborn son is raw, but it represents the moon about the Sun.

22:42 So there's a lot of inversion going on. There's a lot of connection from this finish mythology right through to these other parts of history as well. So okay. So and I think I said this when we recorded the first time, but from my understanding, it seems like this much probably much older or at least much more sophisticated civilization, right when they come out and see the rest of the world. They pass on a lot of this knowledge. Right. And that's why we see a lot of the same rituals and the languages and everything can kind of be tied back to this, but the reason that things are kind of flipped and inverted and perverted. Do you think that maybe that was done? Purpose when the information was being gives the third Ragnarok. Yeah.

23:28 That's what they call the third Ragnarok. The third great destruction. So, the first two were, were natural disasters as we've described. The third one is man-made. This is when in the story the Catholic church has been you know dominating the entire area and completely destroying all remnants of heathenism and paganism. And at the very core of it is this Bach line this box drum line of people From the Acer that hold onto the original knowledge and they hold onto it in a physical place that still located today. And simple Finland called, The Lemon kind in Temple this character of lemon kind and is a character that exists in accepted Finnish folklore, your back in the 80s.

24:10 When he released the Box Saga, he's showing how it's this is possibly a hidden part of Finnish folklore, that isn't written about or it's just like the little missing pieces of it in a way. So interesting, dude. It is interesting to think that maybe that information was given to the rest of the Schmucks right now. Yeah, so the Catholics. Right? So the papal Army comes in to Odin ma which is an isn't even called Finland yet. If like it's a very difficult area of history and geography to to find information on, it's almost like you're trying to prove negatives. Like, you know, mainstream historians will say A way of papal Army was there destroying some Heathen group that you're talking about because they can't prove that a Papal Army wasn't there. They can just prove other areas where they were so it's like, not likely to them, but then eight years later, I think it's only eight years later.

25:09 Accepted history, puts a lot of context into this idea. That Finland was destroyed. This Helsinki area was decimated and that's how the Saga goes that. The Catholics came in and destroyed everybody and I burned it to the ground. And in the documentaries available on YouTube from the late, Jim Chesney, who is very close to the Box Agha. He takes you to these places in modern-day Finland and shows like you know, they'll be they'll either be like a Catholic Christian Mont, you know, monolith or celebratory statue on these old Heathen grounds. It's like a, you know, a real mockery. Of course hidden in plain sight or it's even a no. Do the old Heathen ways that seems to be even more of a mockery because of course, it's a place of like cover-up and destruction of these people.

26:02 Yeah, kind of like we're going to tear your stuff down and build our stuff on top of it. Near M what are you going to do about it? Yeah well even give you a trophy and have you show, you know, wave to everybody. Make them think that you got out, you know what I mean? Sometimes they'll be a heathen like a viking statue or something that he points to the. Oh yeah, well, this story is not true. But behind this story is actually what really happened and it's even worse, it's pretty crazy. So wild dude, I think I mentioned last time to the electric Universe. Did you guys ever? Go check out the Thunderbolts project and the electric Universe. Yeah. Dude. Like how getting into that shit changed. My perspective on so many things, man.

26:42 And so, it's like, when you say things like, oh, this was before the Earth's Tilt in this golden age, right? Right. That like I have no problem understanding what that means because of the electric universe and the Thunderbolts project and how they've laid out their videos explaining what that meant, you know. And it's like yeah you know, I truly Leave. There was in a golden age going back. Who knows a million years or something, right? And like that's when we were probably at our Peak you know, consciously and probably technologically as well. So have you ever like taking the electric universe and matched up with like the principles of alchemy?

27:24 That's on top, that's something fun to get into for sure, somebody I talk to chance Garden from in reverse We talked about that somebody. Yeah, nice. Yeah, it's wild stuff, dude. We just talk to Tess Clark and she does electric Universe stuff and like Saturn saturnian, cosmology and everything. And at the end of the interview after we were done recording, I asked her if she had had had ever heard of the Box Saga and she's like yeah I have actually and actually if you look at the Box Agha, the timeline in the Box I'll get actually Coincides really well with the timeline of the electric universe and the stuff that I have put together on my website. So there's another person, like, outside of outside of that. That's also kind of confirming the timeline of how things happened in the world to from, from my like a cosmological perspective rather than historical. I have some exciting.

28:32 Big news to about some like an outside Source, I have a friend who is a professional in remote viewing, and she's pretty well esteemed in the community of remote viewing. And she teaches, and she has a bunch of students and I told her about the Saga because she's very fascinated by fairy tales and folklore. And the thing with fairy tales is, it's about Fair people. It's about these people, this old history that's been relegated to Fiction and fairy tales. So we don't believe any of it. And so I got into it with her and she was fascinated by it. She was picking up on a lot of different pieces of it. And so we decided that this part of the story about lemon kind and Temple should possibly be her students, next Target.

29:19 So we're going to find out possibly. If there is a massive Treasure of this old world inside this area of Finland, in this rock formation, Salute, even in tireli but it's kind of like after they knew the Catholics were coming, the Box were able to hide and like did kind of destroy the front entrance or something kind of completely decimate the the opening to, The Lemon kind of Temple and it was, you know, supposed to be remain closed and hidden for a thousand years. Do, do you think that we would even know like if let's say the team, whoever it is is out there and they get in there and it's just something wild, bro.

30:02 Like just I don't know, it's some Indiana Jones artifact. That's like glowing you know whatever it is like you think we would even know like they tell us like as in would the information get to us right. I'll spread it around because I taught you talk to those guys. I don't know. I just like maybe it's my own bias and Jeff. Fifth is over, I believe this summer there is over, 2500 volunteers, that were headed to Lemon kind. And all these self-proclaimed Bacchus heading there to help dig and and help excavate this place. Well, I guess in my mind it's like the same with any other kind of dig, right? You know, you find something wild and then all the sudden like the Suits come in maybe they're like oh that's another sorry that Dan and I have talked about About about it. Like that's kind of what happened last time is they all got in trouble for for hashish and drugs. And they had a stop digging because they are all going through all kinds of other trials, and law of problems. And so and never never ended up getting done. But the temple is on like property of Somebody that they know.

31:21 I think it's one of yours property. It's on er, box property. I thought oh God, it's his family also confiscated. Yeah, it did. They know the guy but yeah, he's leaning about the digging but yeah, it was once his family's for from what you are said, it was in his family for of course ever but Generations known to accepted finish history and that he does kind of come from royalty. Yeah, so it's on private property. So So technically they shouldn't have any problems like with like red tape or anything like that, they should be able to do what they want to do there. Did the be so crazy to find like a tomb or Temple?

32:05 Just find some stash of like Ancient like pre cataclysmic civilization stuff. That's what I do. Yeah. I also Dan and I have been thinking about a theory. I think Dan you're the one who brought it up to me originally they'll like the idea? What if all the amazing quote unquote, you know gems from Antiquity and all the statues and the carvings and all the gold, all the things we already see that have all this symbolism. That is Secret. Be related. Directly to Bock Saga, but it's accepted by the Babylonian history and and all these other cultures, we just Associated there.

32:47 No problem. Yeah, but it's actually all the treasure that was once in lemminkäinen and that it's actually already been rated. And that, we've just grown up all of us looking at actually, you know, pre destruction, Antiquity, items without even knowing it and just on a unfortunately attributing it to whoever, you know, they Want us to attribute it to you have kind of Reform that idea and I think maybe there was just artifacts outside of lemon kind in that they didn't necessarily put in there or stuff that they are buried. And that all once the other cultures to another area is still in there.

33:29 And I think that's where we get like these stories of like King Arthur and the enchanted swords and like these different relics and different Types of Weaponry because there seemed to be like a higher class of Weaponry that their funding in the Middle Ages. That's like way too good for what they're supposed to be able to have at the time. So it's almost like they're finding these relics or whatever from a lost time before them, that was of a higher civilization and then then it comes to them in some other, you know, the lady in the lake, or some other type of way, where they are able to get in touch. Should these weapons.

34:09 And then, all of a sudden, they have this enormous amount of power because they're able to wield these weapons that other people can't stop. Yeah, it's everywhere. I mean, if you look at the, the Egyptian beards on, the golden sarcophagus is, you know, it's like that's that's a balk beard, right there. That's the the northern beard. Same with the Anunnaki and the trois the day than on from Ireland, all these shiny white, you know, beings Blue eyes, and blond hair. They all have these traits. The Shining one. Do shining ones in the Hopi? Prophecy up? I heard this Theory once that we we are Atlantis, like the Earth is Atlantis and we just with time, we've lost our history and we've just retold our history.

35:02 Now we think our history is just fairy tales and a when you said that. What if the Was already rated and we've grown up with that history in the Babylonian already and whatever that maybe that's what that reminded me of and I'm like it just kind of dawned on me like whoa, exactly, it's exactly that just kind of lost everything in Translation there. Yeah. There's like the hero's journey thing right? I mean it's yeah always playing the same Heroes stories over and over and over again. And yeah it's just it's kind of like gets into the fractal geometry of Of how psychedelic this place is, everything's just fractal. Yeah, I think the there's a saying about like only 12 stories have ever been. Told they've just been told different ways with different characters but it's like the same 12 stories and ever. Going back to before stories were thing. You don't, I mean, it's like they can all just be related, you know, with a mirror image back to like self-discovery, most of the time, and this is very reminiscent Jeff of the Atlantis episode that you did.

36:08 Or Really, I think we were trying to get Jeremy on board with the idea that Atlantis was like everything. Right? And then, all these cultures belong to Atlantis. And so, it was like, we kind of used the like the Roman Empire, the Roman Empire, controlled most of, you know, all the world at the time, right? The Civilized world. And but you had, you know, Israel and you had, you know, India and you had all these other areas that were just all mixed up in there, but they are all the Roman Empire. So the Romans had their influence and everything. You, so you would see, you know, whatever you would say was exclusively like oh this was, you know, this areas are and their culture and all sorts of stuff. Yes that may have been, but it was also Roman influenced because they had, you know, that whole area under control. And so I like that this is kind of tying into all that what you know Jeff you what you were really pushing on was that you know.

37:06 Yeah. You're saying the the Babylonians and you're seeing The Assyrians and you're seeing all these different groups and you're seeing, you know, all of their all of their own personalized style but who's to say that that style wasn't influenced or didn't first belong to this. Other group, that it was basically all everybody at the time. Yeah. It's like a bag disseminated downright. It doesn't really like fuck with anybody's individual cultural theories, you know, it kind of just gives an Salute distant past backdrop into it. All right, that's what a lot of people, you know, get it first. It's like attacking exactly what we believe or everything we believe even about our language. But then once you start to really understand, it's like, all right.

37:53 This is just piecing everything together in an interesting way connecting to different parts of the world, okay? That doesn't necessarily take away from what cultures in you know, 9,000 BC were thinking because this is he Hans. After The Saga of my interpretation of these cultural and symbolic carry over from the old Saga times to what we're talking about with Babylon Babylon. And and you know, all of Mesopotamia and everything like that. All the symbols being the same. I think a lot of it is is because we don't have cultures that exist for more than a couple hundred years anymore, we have cultures that rise and fall concert.

38:38 Only right and back then, hypothetically. This was a culture that was existing for millions and millions of years uninterrupted. Again in this if it works, don't break it kind of old way. It just went around in a circle over and over and over again. I think personally it would take that kind of time period. To create muscle memory in us, where we're gurjit ating, these same stories are regurgitating the same symbols. We may have picked up absolutely meaningful. Reason to justify the symbols on our own cultural Accord, irregardless of what they meant originally, you know, so that's kind of my explanation as to why the Saga doesn't necessarily have to mess with anybody's other theories, because we're talking about history.

39:25 That's hypothetically, millions of years before. All of our ancient alien stories anyway, you know what I mean? So, wild Uno's example, this makes me think of like, I don't know. I have this weird fascination with, like, old fantasy stuff, right? So, like, Lord of the Rings for his hell, yeah. You know, I liked it. I liked planning, right. You know are like, did you guys play Skyrim? Yeah. Yeah, nobody played Skyrim, right? So I heard this Theory, maybe it's true that apparently Skyrim Skyrim and Fallout her in the same universe, right? And that from what I understand, Skyrim is after fall out. So, like after the nukes and all the radiation, then, thousands of years later, people had like magic powers. They were living like with swords and shit, but like, this is this kind of thing makes me think about this stuff, right? Or I like how I was thinking about Lord of the Rings. I always like to imagine that Middle-earth was a real place at a point in time in past where there was elves and fucking Hobbits magic and all the shit, right? And then that all gets lost with Millions of years. But that's what this makes me think of. Like, we're talking about in the Box Saga, and I'm thinking Middle, Earth makes me think of Never Ending Story and shit, but then I told you this is obsessed with finished grammar and shit. If you look at like like evolutionary charts of humans, which some people might not agree with but you they have found like homo floresiensis and

40:59 like denisovans and all these different types of Groups of people and the farther you go back from Homo, Sapien the more and more like, animalistic. They start to look and I think when you go back millions of years to this kind of time period, you can kind of see How elves and dwarves could have had these types of Look to Him and evolve to the point where they're more human Homo Sapien looking now and so that kind of brings that together a little bit. Yeah. Like the elongated skulls that many have discovered and talked about, like, we can't discount that like, I discount Ancient Aliens to this box.

41:44 August story all the time, but the elongated skulls are really interesting. And I wonder if it does still connect back to that time period and we were just different maybe these strongest and biggest that were being bred, really resembled like tall Gray's or something or these white Nordic aliens that the Diary talks about and shit. You know, that's super interesting. I want to try to connect that because you know when you get into like ufologists and Island and all the different races of aliens and we made deals and all this shit. The tall Nordic beings are always in the list of beings, right? Go pickle YouTube video of like here's all the extra trash. Yeah the nordics are definitely a thing, right. So thinking about like this Advanced civilization emerging from this Place.

42:36 Right? That's been cut off for call it a hundred thousand years, right? Millions oppose millions of years, right? They talked at length of an Ice Age, so long, so Advanced and they come out and then all the other people on the, on the planet, right? Or plane or whatever. They see these white people have never seen white people. Write The Shining ones that they see and then like, I talked about this last time, right? The man bag that we see on all the reliefs and carvings, right? Where he's these Beings that came right, had this man bag, which Graham Hancock and other people say like, that must be a symbol for the knowledge. Somehow, because this is when agriculture came, this is when math started showing up, this is when all these things started popping up and it's like dude, you know, I don't know man. And you know what's funny is last time I said somebody should make a movie out of this and then I went and looked and there's like a bunch.

43:32 I don't know if they're any good, I'm watching me or to the right. Things is thinking of the movies Egyptian carvings and whatnot like like the the Pharaohs with dog heads and everything. Hmm. He said that we looked for they looked more animalistic and everything. Yeah well well in the Box Agha the the biggest hard to swallow is the origin story about ape and and goat go being our origin. Pan and the Goat symbolism. Oh, the goat symbolism. So who did that? Who did what?

44:12 Well if if our origin is between yeah like who's spliced the genes I guess? Well so well that's an interesting take. I mean we usually don't the Box plug, it doesn't claim that at all Dan explains it pretty well. Just buy like a necessity almost of like nature or something. Yes, it's essentially of aren't you awfully Consciousness? Yeah, because get through, I don't know. But most things on the world were wiped out. So you get to a point where there's only a few things left, and they had a repopulate, Normally a goat in the nape couldn't procreate and have kids together so funny but in this instance they were able to because it was a necessity to keep life going. So life always finds a way to keep the existing and at this time there wasn't very much life left and they had to exist so they had to procreate in order to have some life that Snot like does not like the sagas isn't like The Saga kind of does it in this very holy way where it's like the sun, you know, kind of directed this to happen and it was in this one exact place in the North Pole where the literal Vortex is at the North Pole, in this hole, where was this conception? And this is where the two original humans. Came out and Frey and Freya.

45:38 Yeah. And this is It's Holi because the E which is a lowercase. I in our language is a symbol of the pole and the north star above. So it's the whole e and it's the holy land, it's really weird. That's why there's like two stories of like creation to like in the Bible. Right there, you have the your normal story which was God created everything and then on the sixth day humans, And within later than you get your Adam and Eve story because afterwards, they had to start over again with the goat and the ape and then that created The Fray and Freya the Adam and Eve, and then life.

46:27 So wild that you said that about the son Andy because while Dan was talking before that, I was thinking to myself, like, I wonder if, you know, some one of the cataclysms in the back in the day was like some kind of Solar flare or something, right? And this uptick of radiation from the Sun, something like that, and then you were like, oh they said that the sun chain made this change happen and I'm like yeah, like it was destined to happen. Through didn't riots very mythological Story, the way they put it. So I mean this is the the big who knows, right? But it could be a scientific explanation is what I'm saying, right? Like, we know that the sun can cause evolutionary adaptations. Things, right?

47:11 So like it's possible. Yeah, it's possible that it especially for in some kind of crazy alignment with other celestial bodies, who knows what kind of, you know, electromagnetic energies were getting down here. Plus some solar rays of something and then boom DNA shifts and goat in the monkey are able to Bone. It's also, I don't know if I mentioned this to you guys on take one, but my weird theory about how when you look at the groups that are possibly in the know Unlike our ancient history and what all the symbols might actually really mean. It's almost like you can kind of put it down to a duality of sorts and looking at the prevalent scientific model is that we come from apes. And it's interesting that that's not a straight. If you look at Saga, as if it's the hidden history, it's not a total lie that takes away from the hidden history, but it's missing one half and it's an important have to be Sing because it's the goat.

48:13 It's the most suppressed part of History along with all of the heathenism that goes along with the symbol of the goat, is the most demonized as well. So it would be hypothetically, kind of interesting if it was true. And this would follow suit in their whole, philosophy of destruction of that worldview and hiding, it forever. And like only maintaining one side of the, the story it would be interesting, but that's just a hypothetical This should fascinates me, dude. Didn't to think that like, all of our civilization is rooted in this, you know, much more ancient civilization and we're just like doing it wrong. You know what I mean? It's like we got a little Snippets of like how to do shit and we're just doing it wrong and they had it was not just the Saga doing it either.

48:59 There's a lot of etymologist that will concur about the phonetic roots of things and how it's really the sound of letters themselves and where you can trace them back to And that's kind of how you find the real roots. And it's not at all, what, you know, what? It's like, what's accepted, history will tell you, you know, of where we were, you know, tells a much different tale. It seems. What's the best? I'll go ahead, go ahead. Well, I was going to say I as like you mentioned last time like it a lot of our current words are like little play on. Hmm. Old like different words like I can't.

49:41 What you said in the first take, but like, earlier, you said fairy tales. I like, I wrote down here, I find that. So, very interesting. And like, now, I'm listening very carefully for like, did I start seeing through the fall? Like look at Irish mythology and Cynthia and like just follow it all along and you find all of these characters with bright, blond hair, and all these, very Viking looking or pre biking, kind of looking. There's also a liar in the mythology, holy land, holy The hole that was another one. Holy yeah. Pollen lands balance. Yes it's like English is supposed to be much more recent so it almost feels intentional, right? I was actually just saying this to understand Ray's exert us earlier that it feels intentional or like English is like purposely hiding secrets for people to find but I don't even know if that's possible.

50:35 I don't know if it's coated in that way or if some other force is Of. It's almost like an intention has to get through regardless. I don't know. It's a, it's absolutely perplexing to me how it has occurred, but English is clearly coded in some way, or disrupted and it is tied to this third Ragnarok, where the Catholics destroy everything. It seems where the language has completely been decimated this route language. If that was true, then it would make sense as to why English is The dominant language on Earth. I mean like I spent eight months in South Korea, they teach English the way that, you know, our schools, teach Spanish and stuff, but it's like everyone that's young. Their nose, at least enough English to get by all these other countries know English and stuff. You know, when trade deals go on, you know, around the world, they're usually done in English, right? Or at least, you know, some of it. And so, it's like and then also, now, I mean, I wonder if there has anything to do with This whole like seems like a huge effort to like change the definitions of what these like current words mean and stuff like that. Right?

51:51 Is there bingo? You know? Yeah, because I mean, we're talking about an oral story that is supposedly passed down from generation to generation. It takes 20 years for the person to really grasp it all in their heads, for Route language to start kicking in in their head. And this is what Your Bach did and all of his predecessors. So we're talking about as soon as it hits paper. These words and letters can break off from the original sound. They're attached to pronunciation starts to blur the lines and suddenly the story doesn't make sense anymore, so it falls apart right there.

52:33 So whether by coercion or not, it's kind of like what I said. Last time with it reminded me of a show, buddy. Out chameleon down on the road on the board. But then when he said it out loud, he said shamily on, it's so easy to take a written word and interpret it a different way. And instead of getting million you get shamily on. Yeah. And it's like we have I think that human beings have had unfortunately done this. This is like the epic game of telephone. We've all been playing through disasters and Fallen Rises and Falls of Empires, and this and that as language changes, But this one seems to be really particular with all the inversions and everything and that's what the you know the parasite class is kind of known for anyway, is this inversion. But then we go even further.

53:25 We find out that inversion itself was away for even the good guys to pass messages to each other. To not get found out. It's interesting how they're the further you go into the box Agha, this line between the good and bad guys. Kind of seems to dismantle at least Words in the terminologies as we understand them. Like Dan said the beginning, do wheel, the wheel DeVille day, like a German person DeVille is devil, you know. But it's not even talking about an individual. It was actually a totally different concept. Don't worry. According to these old, these old languages. Yeah, it's really interesting and then we also a personalized. So many e Moon.

54:11 System. Oh, the immune system, right? Yeah. Where you're getting Health by drinking your own? Come Mound is the Moon shaped. I want to break down the English language so badly. Now Gallagher was wild. Well they say that English is a derivative of this route language, It came it came out of that and Yaki said she has been eating licorice Yeah, English was from from the root but it's also mixed with something, some other type of language. Yucca said, he wasn't really sure. Well but vaner could be all mr.

54:58 Sillens Monitor and root of x. That's true. Sorry man. Yeah, so then so then the English language is combined with another one, so that's why we still get saying some of the the same meanings behind it. But then also, So you get, like different ones to because the two languages combine combine to make the English. If you look at English, it's aimed angle the angle land. The England, it's the angel language. So it's the language of the angels, and then kind of even goes back into like Rune stones, and then Odin hanging from the world tree upside down to see the rooms, the rooms were already in existence, and he plucked them from Whatever by given is Iowa. And so you have this idea of him finding this language and given it to Mankind and then Babylon being is that when the language got changed the Tower of Babel so they were able to put pen to paper.

56:02 Then they started to mess with the meanings and pronunciations and then that's when everything kind of changed, but you have this connection with Like I have a book about angels and in it is the Angel language and it looks just like fucking runestones. It's interesting. You said that because I was literally thinking that maybe the tower Babel story is like a story about this. Like when the when the story went from being oral oral to written up. Yeah. And everything just got funny. Yeah. Also like when we think about God being the one that like breaks the tower you gotta think the Catholic Church. Standing in place of God, which from the Heathen point of view was a word.

56:49 That's that meant got or good like good within is your gut intuition intention. So that was externalized through this Catholic changing. It was like a hijacking of this internal experience. We all have and externalizing it. Well it's a the Tower of Babel was way. Before Catholicism because it was pre-flood. Well yeah, yeah. So it doesn't make sense to me, but well, it would include in post-flood but way before Catholicism Catholicism became a ground from emperor, Constantine, you know.

57:29 Yeah so I mean yeah way way before. Yeah basilia, super interesting, man, that is you should interesting point. Let's like we do see in the Box log of this absolute Washing of the heat of everything he then it would be the proper place to put that and that allegory but I mean, what do you guys think? What? What would have gone? Because I've thought about that, too would have had to have happened. Probably we're also probably describing some sort of natural process, a game of telephone, again, in some ways. So I don't know. It might have been taken eons through natural disasters for this to happen. So the first first written language that they found was like, Pastor Harris or enuma Elish from Sumeria.

58:17 But I looked into some, I was chasing down the tribe of Dan and I found that there on Ancient Origins website. They had talked about, they found an ancient script writing in the Black Sea and they believe that this riding wasn't typically use. It wasn't used for trade and barter like writing typically was used for they said that it had More of like symbolic nature to it and look like it was used for magic or income patients and so that may be the reason why the writing existed in the first place was to spell makes bells and so that's where we get spelling from.

59:02 I mean a lot of people have heard that before already but so but the idea that the reason why they first started putting things on paper was to do and Asians and spells and do, the magic is pretty interesting and provocative and then that whole thing ties into what they called, the Danube River Valley Civilization, which was around the Black Sea area and this predated the Sumerian history by two to three thousand years. So looking at around 5,000 to 4,000 BC. So that's a pretty long time ago. So, I mean, that could really kind of be in part where the Tower of Babel story could have been, because it was that long ago, so That's true. Either way it's like we're recovering a living language or something because the more we look into how this route language is set up, the more we can kind of connected to other motifs in history and different time periods and see not how these humans may have intentionally or no of knowledgeably were connecting it, which is how it's possibly, even just naturally happening throughout our history were connecting to these same.

1:00:23 Otice over and over again. It's wild the first first writings used for spells and that's why we have the word spelling, right? I'm just putting two and two together Batman. So a lot of people talk about like so obviously and curse curse words and all that kind of stuff, it comes up often. So I was just putting it a little bit more perspective from like actual stuff that they have found historically. That might actually no longer like, I got it like it. He's just yeah, yeah, I got it like, yeah, you just kind of like throwing it around my head like you know we call it spelling right? That's how we spell things and originally made up for, for casting spells, right? So I was like, yeah, two and two together my head, I was like, that's funny, you're doing a lot of a lot of the old manuscripts were like about like spelling and stuff. Like what's that big old book that they found? That's all fucking creepy and evil-looking and just fool like Codex gigas.

1:01:26 No, no, dude. Is that what it's called? I don't think it's called that. The Codex gigas like the Devil's Bible. You have a better class of the, but Devil's Bible. It's like, yeah, he fights. Yes, fucking huge. He has knowledge around that. I'm going to look it up. It's pretty intense. That's what you guys could do it. A whole is, it's made out of human skin. Like that was like, could be did wrong by the papacy or something like that and instead of killing him, they allowed him to like write a book that would like include all of the histories of all the world. But To do it one night to live or something like and he like calls upon the Devil, it's nuts.

1:02:07 But then here we have this physical ridiculous manuscript, all appearing to be in the same exact penmanship throughout the entire thing and people say that it would have it should have taken like 25 years to complete or some shit like that. It's pretty wild. But yeah dude all this shit is so awesome. I wish it wasn't after a 11:00 because I totally just want to like talk about this for five hours. I'm so tired. It's not even like I'm tired. Exactly what he sounds like. It's crazy. It's just that I do Jeff Impressions. Stand-up comedy lounges, it's pretty great. Now I'm just gets a good man. I'm glad I'm glad that it works out there really for me.

1:02:52 Can't wait for our next horns up. Episode brother. I j me either. I'm excited. They're really for us. Um, yeah. So Before we go, like, what do you think would be like the best resource to like get more info on Bock Saga? I would say Jim chezz nur's documentaries on YouTube, you know, or the book Jim by Carl. You organized manner? Yeah. Yeah. Type in gym, chess nerd, chess960 are and the documentaries are welcome to Hell. Welcome to Atlantis, and welcome to Rajasthan, and he tells all of these Stories much more fluently, much more chronologically.

1:03:34 He includes so much of history that we understand, and we've heard and just connect it all and shows you how it's related to this Saga. It's not something any and I are not experts on the Saga, like we've only been little more facet. I've learned and learning and learning about it for maybe two years and I think, and he's like what? Like a year now probably. Are so probably. Yeah, yeah. So, like a lot of this stuff like we talked to y'all K about because we're unsure about things. We don't know everything in here. So I mean, it takes a lot of learning, a lot of study to remember a lot of this stuff, because it's so deep, you know.

1:04:21 So I also recommend the Box Saga introduction. The book is because for one it goes through everything really well and there. There's stuff in there that is not in the videos and it's a physical copy. So you can actually see the words on paper, which helps me remember things, when I actually just read it instead of hear it sometimes. So also like you know I have like tons of notes in mine and like bookmarks freaking everywhere of all these different things. There's so many like interesting things in it talks about the military system and how that was A live system, not a death system, why it's called infantry, why it's called like military and all these different ideas that come out of that whole thing and it was used for this procreation system.

1:05:19 So, yeah, that's all very fascinating. It also talks has a lot of other different word references in it tells you a lot about other different things. It talks about Jerusalem, L'm being like the place where that they kind of concentrated the the lemon kind in and the swan had sex at is like their honeymoon Palace basically, there's there's so many different aspects of The Saga that like if you just hear these basic ones that kind of gives you a little bit of a background on, like the historical aspect of it, but when you get into it and you get into these little stories and you start to see those connections.

1:06:01 As with other things going on in the world and other things in history that really starts to bring out more aspects of this together. So I definitely recommend getting the book and there's also I think box Saga info box Saga dot info. That it ND. Yeah, Bock, Saga taught info. It's run by a couple of the guys that are were close with the your and carry on. A lot of the, there is a huge gallery of pictures and old. Videos, everything has been converted from like VHS tape, so a lot of its scratchy, a lot of the audio sucks but they're these tons of videos from 1984 all the way up to now of different interviews and different friends of yours.

1:06:46 Telling the story, I would say, if, if you're interested, check out Jim Chesney on YouTube. Then, if you're still interested you want to learn more, get the book. Then after that, if you really want to get deeper, then start walking. Doing a lot of the videos on and listening to the audio on Bock Saga info because then you'll get even more. But that, that I would say that would be my progression with it for people, especially trying to dip their toes in it because there's a lot there and it can be kind of overwhelming if you're if you're not really prepared for it. Alrighty guys, sorry about that.

1:07:27 We had some technical difficulties Andy Dan. Thank you so much for coming on the infinite Rabbit Hole, where can The Travelers the listeners? Find you guys and get more information from your different podcast and different things that you guys do. Thanks for having us again for take to. I'm glad we got it nailed down this time and you could find me any arouse. Had the Deep share on social media and my podcast the deeps. Your podcast is on Every podcast app and you can find it on YouTube, Odyssey, Rock, Finn. And yeah that's about it, thanks again. Yeah, thanks guys. I am down or knock you down. I'm on Rising From the Ashes.

1:08:10 I co-host that with the homie Romy. I also do horns up and the Deep chill with Andy, on our patreon patreon rising from the ashes and patreon. The Deep share. If you want to catch those episodes, Yeah, either one. Yep. And then, no, that's about it, man. That's where you can find me. And on Instagram, I'm on the G, the G, The Grail Mustang is succulent voice down. I just wanted to say really quickly before everybody says, goodbye and whatnot. Jake and I are wearing the same Bigfoot shirts. Oh, stand up, I can't see it.

1:08:56 Then that's a great bigfoot shirt. Are you guys related are, you know, Were twins. Yeah. What do you want in today though? No, we just sell them and they like to wear their own merch. Yeah, in like that. So yeah. And I made Bigfoot into the episode. So that's right. Thank you so much. All right, I'm gonna go Giants and connected it to redo it. Take three Very well. We'll just have you guys back on. I'm sure there's a lot more information to be covering Jeremy on time. And yeah.

1:09:40 Well we'll pick his brain for this to know, for sure. Yeah. I think Jeremy would really like this. He'd really big. It can't say he'd buy it but I think he'd really dig. It have watched some videos. First I wish we could have gone longer Man Too bad. Jeff had to go to bed. I got it. Yeah, we're on the East Coast. We can't help where we are is, were all in the west coast Main and you're over here, it's like, about to It's Gettin. It's Gettin close to, my bedtime, tend to become our oh, it's probably it's Morrowind up in here. All righty then, well, then we'll call it so that Jeff stops complaining about it again. Thank you, Dan, and Andy for coming on, this has been another episode of the infinite Rabbit Hole. Thank you so much for joining us and we'll see you next time at the next path of the infant.

1:10:26 Whole bye. Bye, bye. Peace. Got to say it, Dan. Wake up Mariah.