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Imagine that this line
represents a time present 1985

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Future Past.
Prior to this point in time,

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somewhere in the past, the
timeline skewed into this

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tangent, creating an alternate
1985.

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Alternate to you need Einstein,
Fucker, Reality, everyone.

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Else, the Ozarks cover a
significant amount of both

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Arkansas and Missouri, with
small sections in Oklahoma and

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Kansas.
These 47,000 square miles of

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highland area encompasses both
the Boston and the Saint

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Francois Mountains, as well as
the Salem and Springfield

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Plateaus.
In 1908, the first area of the

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Ozarks became protected as the
proclamation by Theodore

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Roosevelt created the Ozark
National Forest by using over

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90,000 acres of land from 5
counties of Arkansas, with over

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600,000 more acres being added a
year later in 1938.

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This was expanded to include
areas of Missouri, now known as

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Mark Twain National Forest, and
also adding another 550,000

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acres to the already established
protected area of the Ozarks.

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The area is old, very old in
fact.

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The second oldest mountain range
in North America is the ancient

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St.
Francois Mountains, which has

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been approximated as roughly 1.5
billion years old, which also

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makes it the 7th oldest in the
world.

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In comparison, the Blue Ridge
Mountains of the Appalachians,

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which is known worldwide for its
deep history, is roughly

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300,000,000 years younger at
only 1.2 billion years old.

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The age of the area hides many
secrets that are slowly being

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uncovered every day.
The specific composition of the

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bedrock holds some of the oldest
fossilized remains found on

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Earth, with specimens from as
early as the Proterozoic Era.

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This ancient era was known as
the first to give our planet its

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multicellular organisms and the
birth of the organelle.

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The time period was roughly 2
billion years prior to the first

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dinosaurs.
Walking the earth but along.

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With old rocks, the area has
other secrets as well.

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Secrets that hide in the shadows
of the Ozarks use the thick

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vegetation and the sparse
population of human life to

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exist without notice of the
modern world, the many creatures

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both known and unknown.
Live their lives protected by

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the forests and The Cave systems
created by millennia of erosion

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and collapse of various parts of
the ancient landscape.

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The beauty alone isn't enough
for most outsiders to one stay,

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but what is hard for one to
survive in is a paradise for

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another paradise for a monster.
A monster that some describe as

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being bigger than the average
black bear, with glowing red

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eyes and horns on top of its
head.

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This quadrupedal creature is
commonly seen as brown or black,

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with a long goatlike beard and
the eerie call that gives the

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animal its name today.
We peel back the layers of

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truth, legend, myth and reality.
Today we dive into the Ozark.

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Howard, welcome back to the
Infinite Rabbit hole.

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Welcome back to the Infinite
Rabbit Hole Podcast.

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I'm your host, Jeremy today.
Have a couple special guests.

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We're gonna start with the the
lease special, Jacob.

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Wow.
Dang.

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Welcome back to the infinite
rabbit hole, man.

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Thanks again.
Yeah, yeah, is.

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This number 3 #3 guest spot.
For like, since you left, yeah,

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we just can't seem to shaky man.
No, it's gonna blow people's

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minds.
What happens next.

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I know you're gonna guess me
again.

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Hi, you been man?
I mean, well, been doing all

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right.
Yeah.

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Nothing to be terrible.
I had a motorcycle crash on

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Saturday.
I'm still alive.

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So, yeah, good.
Yeah, yeah.

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You did a lot of work on that
bike, man.

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Yeah, now I get to rework it.
What kind of work Rework?

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Well, I like the stash, man.
It looks like you drank some

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really thick dark chocolate
milk.

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Dude, I like your stash, except
that you need to trim it, 'cause

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you could probably floss with
that thing.

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It is what it is, man.
It's it's the squash.

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Look, we talked about this, All
right, Moving on.

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We are kind of kind of blessed
because it's been a while.

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Like, I just can't get this guy
to come on the show anymore.

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CJ, welcome back to the infinite
rabbit hole, dude.

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Well, thank you.
It's been a minute it.

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Has it?
It's been several minutes.

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Yeah.
Did I have you come on recently?

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No.
For like the We're Never Doing

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Infinite Rabbit Hole Again
episode.

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Oh, that's right.
It's been It's been so long that

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Jake now has more hair in his
lip than he does in his head.

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True story.
That is true.

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It's a good looking lip.
And how you been?

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Come on.
Yeah, you I've.

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Been chilling?
Just that's it.

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Just chilling.
Chilling.

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That's.
It well man, you just you've

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been doing 3 fucking.
Podcasts tall as.

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I have been, I'm not telling you
about one of them, but you got

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Mystery Stone back off the
ground because it's horrible.

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Like whatever man.
Do you want your friends to keep

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talking to you?
Because they won't if they

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listen to that podcast, But no.
So we we got met a Mystery Stone

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podcast back up off the ground
after like a two year hiatus

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and.
That was cool.

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Like, our listenership picked
right back up where it left off,

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even in two years, like we were
still kidding, like 200 a week

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without uploading a single
episode.

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So that was kind of cool, but we
brought it back.

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It's in full swing.
The community's not as active as

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I'd like it to be, but it's
getting there.

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And then I just launched a new
podcast called Ethereally Yours

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recently, and that's actually
going really well.

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I'm having a lot of fun doing
that one.

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Yeah, Episode 2 just came out
today.

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Three.
Well, I have the pilot and then

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this.
The season one episode one and

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season one episode 2 is out.
OK, well the one I listened to

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today was really good.
Which one was at Stanley House,

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the Stanley Hotel?
Yeah.

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Yo, thank you.
Appreciate it.

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It's called thoroughly yours.
Ethereally yours?

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Yeah.
So like, the premise is like,

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it's like I'm reading a letter
to people.

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Yeah, you know, but we're
talking about hauntings and

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ghost stories and stuff, and
it's like short.

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I think it's like, I think the
the pilot's like 25 minutes and

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the Stanley Hotel's the second
longest at 18 all.

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Right.
You got it.

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You got it all out, man.
You good?

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Nice.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's long enough for Jake to
listen to you while he poops.

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I might listen to it.
He won't listen to.

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It probably won't, yeah.
He'll subscribe, but he won't

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listen.
Yeah.

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All right, let's let's introduce
the smartest person in the room

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by far.
The cat.

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The cat.
No.

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Our special guest, our special
guest for today, is a fan of the

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show.
She's actually one of my

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coworkers.
She's an engineering intern, so

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she's by far the smartest person
in this room.

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Lauren, welcome to Anthony
Rabbit Hole.

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Yeah, it's nice to be here.
I just cryptids are kind of my

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thing.
I don't necessarily believe in

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most things, so it's gonna be
interesting, but the Ozarkowler

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is kind of what got me into the
infinite rabbit hole.

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Not necessarily because you
talked about it, but in the

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indirect way of that's what got
me into another podcast, which

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then got one of our other
coworkers to recommend me this

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one.
So yeah.

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I was surprised that somebody
listened to it from my work.

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Not gonna lie, that's pretty
interesting.

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I actually, I had to ask him.
I said, like, dude, you you

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listen.
He's like, yeah, I'm occasion.

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That's enough.
I feel you with the not liking

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or not believing in most of
them.

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I believe in like 2 and CJ, what
do I think about the rest of

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them?
What are they?

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Demons.
That's exactly what they are.

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I knew you'd understand.
Well, yeah.

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So we are talking Ozark Howler
today.

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This is Lauren's recommendation.
She wanted to come on and talk

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about the Ozark Howler.
So I dove deep and trust me, it

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was hard to find some stuff.
I actually had to get into some

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local.
I don't, I don't know what to

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call it.
Some like local libraries and

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stuff.
I had to contact some people.

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I did.
I reached out to some some areas

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of Arkansas and Missouri.
To try to see, try to confirm

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some things.
Which was cool because I was

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reading a book and I started, I
got to the point where I was

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like, this has to be made-up
there, like this has to be all

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fiction.
Like this guy just came up and

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just wrote all of these on a
whim.

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But I I reached out to a few
people and just just threw some

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emails out into the nether there
and they came back and they came

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back with more information.
So I was able to add some stuff

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to this presentation.
This is probably the deepest

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I've ever had to dig for stuff.
And man, let me tell you, I got

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some cool stuff.
Bro, that's deep.

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I got a question.
Not to spoil anything, but did

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you ever there's a particular
stained glass window?

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Yes, you had the howler.
We talk about.

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Did were you able to confirm
whether or not that actually

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existed?
I was able to.

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Confirm that the church burned
down.

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Darn.
Cuz everything I've come up

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with, they're like, well, we
can't.

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We've not been able to find the
stained glass maker.

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We haven't been able to talk to
anybody who's seen it.

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Well, yeah, I was.
I I did confirm that it burned

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down.
I did like it is in their

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records that the stained glass
was there.

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But we'll we'll discuss that a
little bit more at the back end

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of that.
That is actually at the end of

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this episode or or actually I
think this is probably gonna end

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up being two.
So this would be at the end of

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the next episode.
All right, cool.

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You guys ready to roll?
Yes.

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OK.
Thanks.

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That all I do is roll.
CJ Characteristics of a Howler

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The Ozark Howler gets its name
from both the area that it

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claims as its home and the sound
it so famously makes that

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somewhat resembles a howl.
It's described as resembling the

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sound of a howl due to
unfamiliar and eerie noise that

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often echoes through the
darkness of the Ozarks at night.

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Author Ralph Taller describes it
as quote.

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It's like the howl of a wolf
plus the bugle of an elk and the

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laugh of a hyena all blended
together somehow, the call of

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the howler being its most
powerful and influential feature

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for so much more than one
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One of which is that before
there were sightings and reports

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of a large quadrupedal creature
roaming the forest of the

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Ozarks, there were tables of
screams and yells in the night

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that would petrify those that
heard it.

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Besides that, the creature has
never been described as small or

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tiny.
In fact, almost every report

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describes specifically how the
experiencer was surprised as how

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big it was.
The creature has been described

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more as big and bulky while
being both.

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Tall and long.
It generally has a reputation as

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being humongous in stature, with
a general size that rivals full

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grown bowls while sporting a
long tail.

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Besides the general size of the
animal, the next most noticeable

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feature is the horns that are
commonly reported on top of its

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head and the creatures seemingly
self illuminating red eyes

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course to wrap it all up in a
nice terrifying package.

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The creature is covered all over
from head to toe in long, shaggy

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black hair or fur, with a rather
long collection under its chin,

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giving it the appearance of a
goat's beard.

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Sound like you were describing
yourself that whole time.

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I was not.
The hair covers the horns.

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That was the description of the
Ozark Heller, Sir.

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So is it just a big goat?
It no.

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Oh, actually, no.
It's interpretation I guess.

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Some people do claim that it is
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it is feline.
This is, I think this is a great

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time to kind of point this out,
Lauren, actually.

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Drew the cover art for this
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That was so sick.
I know.

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And CJ, I actually just sent
that to you, so you could take a

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look at it as well.
She definitely is the smartest

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one in the room.
By far, so, Lauren, drawing

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creatures.
I know you do it.

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You see my cubicle, you know.
She's got these really detailed

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creatures drawn out on the walls
of her cubicle on post it notes,

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like these tiny little post it
notes.

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And it's got tons of detail.
It's it's absolutely it's

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impressive.
Really is.

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Take a little break here from
the Howler and would you like to

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spread word about where people
can see more of your artwork?

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Yeah, so I have artwork on
Instagram at El Mecum Studio.

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So L Mecum Studio.
And yeah, I've got a lot of

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drawings on there.
I do a lot of ink, watercolor, a

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lot of markers.
It's actually what I used for

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the howler was the.
Alcohol markers until they

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decide to be a butt.
And like all the ones I wanted

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to use for the background died,
so I had to use colored pencil.

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So it was not my original
intent, but ohh.

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Well yeah, I also have an Etsy
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There's nothing on it right now,
just 'cause I haven't made

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anything.
But I do like commissions,

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pretty much everything on my
Instagram.

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If you want the original or the
print, it's pretty much for

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sale, so I also do custom long
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Like custom design, laser print
the design, shape the long

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board, press it the whole
shebang.

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That's awesome.
Can you say that again?

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L Mecum.
Yeah, LMECUM.

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Yeah.
I almost went to art school,

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too.
I got like a $10,000

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scholarship.
It was like, Nah, let's do

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engineering.
Well, you just got followed by

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Infinite Ravl, so.
Cool.

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Thanks.
Absolutely cool.

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Absolutely stoked to have the
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the Infinite rabbit hole.
I think that's really, really

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cool.
Breaking down barriers today.

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Anybody have anything before we
jump back in?

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No.
How about you there, beardless

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man?
I have to control myself because

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you work together.
No, no, no, no.

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You can still be CJ Go ahead.
I mean, she specifically asked

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for Jake and CJ.
That was a mistake.

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Honestly, I just like hearing
you terrorize Jeremy.

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When Jeremy asked me to come on
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Jeff and Kenzar not available?
Are you at Kenzar yet, Lauren?

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Yes, I I am quite far.
I have like an hour and a half

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drive.
Every day.

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Well, at least for this week,
that's gonna be an hour.

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But so I've listened to far more
than I probably should have.

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I'm all the way at like Gateway
process which I ended up I

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couldn't handle all y'all trying
to pronounce things like usually

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it's bad with the different
languages with all of like the

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scientific jargon.
And then I think it was Jeff

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said something about like the
guy who.

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Discovered the double Helix
structure for DNA was on acid

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and I was like, that's not even
remotely true and I just.

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I couldn't.
So I skipped that.

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Well, I mean, Jeff's an idiot.
So there's that.

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That's that's that's true.
No, wait.

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But wait, wait, I thought we
liked Jeff.

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No, we do.
What's going on?

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We love, Jeff.
We love.

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Jeff, OK.
Jeff thinks everything is.

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I'm still wearing his shirt.
There you go.

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Freedom not fear.
Love it.

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All right, let's move on.
Save some time here, we'll jump

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into the lore Story has it that
a fur trader by the name of

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Renee August, Chateau Junior,
who established a frontier town

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that was well known for fur
trading and would eventually

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become the city of Saint Louis,
was married into the local

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native Osage tribe, which
benefited both the Osage and

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many others because it opened
lines of communication and trade

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between various parties.
This would stand true for many

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years until August was offered
the opportunity to wed a Therese

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Serre, the daughter of a very
wealthy merchant in the region.

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August saw this is a great
opportunity to expand his

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business and needed to come up
with a way to lose his wife

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without giving up the respect he
had worked on for so long with

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the rest of the Osage tribe, so
with the help of his childhood

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nanny in New Orleans.
August used magic to transform

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his wife into a rampaging, ugly
and large monster that would be

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shunned by the locals.
It worked, and his exwife

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disappeared with nobody knowing
what exactly happened to her

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except August, who would hear
her cries at night from her

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loneliness and his betrayal.
August will go on to marry his

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new wife and keep relations with
his inlaws.

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And it was the daughter of a
high-ranking family within the

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Osage tribes ranks that would be
forever known as the Ozark

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Howler.
The lore of the Ozark Howler

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surpasses one simple story of an
origin, but crosses the divide

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into the realm of fantasy and
mythology as well.

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The Howler has a perfect
opposite and a creature referred

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to as the snofice which is
described as a white deer with

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flowers growing from its
antlers.

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The snofice is the Yang to the
howler's yin.

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In other words, whereas the
howler is known as an omen of

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death and darkness, the snofice
is the embodiment of light and

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life, both creatures of the
Ozarks and both legendary in

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their own way.
Another close companion of the

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Howler is a spirit or being
known simply as the Flannel Man.

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In 2013, a hunter claimed that a
man in Flannel appeared to

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assist in his safe escape from
the imminent attack from the

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Howler itself.
There are many stories of a man

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in flannel showing up in the
nick of time to assist in

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targets of the howler.
Throughout the region's recorded

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history of this creature, nobody
knows who or what he is, but

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many have been thankful for him
at one point or another.

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There is another aspect to the
Flannel Man that is that he has

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been reported as appearing in
the bedrooms of unsuspecting

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people, often accompanied by a
spectral black dog, but more on

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this in a future episode of The
Infinite Rabbit Hole.

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But Speaking of black dogs, the
legend and lore of the Howler

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shares a lot of parallels with
the phantom black dog phenomenon

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in ways such as they are known
to appear, disappear, reappear

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during times of danger, and be
an omen that proves death after

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its third sighting by an
individual.

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Now, the difference being with
the Howler's lore tells of

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hearing its howl three times
being certain death.

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It is even believed by many that
the creature is one of these

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shadowy mutts.
But as we may soon discover,

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this may be pretty far from the
Howler's true identity.

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All right, guys, we're at a
break.

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I'll be honest with you, like
this is like most things.

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How do people know that they
howl three times and then it's

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the certain death if everyone,
whoever heard it has died?

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Somebody's third.
How could be somebody else's

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first, and then as soon as that
that person hears the third one,

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he just drops dead.
Dude, come on man, think outside

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the box.
I'll be real.

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I barely heard any of that.
I'm looking at Lauren's artwork

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and it's awesome.
Thanks.

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What do you guys think about
Lore of the?

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Of the Howler Wait, what are we
talking about right now?

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I actually have a question.
The white deer singing Mo

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Bobber, Yeah.
What?

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What did you say that was go?
The Snofus Snawfus.

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Are there modern sightings of
that?

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There are a few, and I actually
kind of sidestepped a little bit

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during the research of this to
see if I could do a whole

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episode on that.
We actually just came out with a

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brand new.
Type of episode called a mini

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doc and that that is definitely
a candidate for one of those.

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Not a lot, but probably enough
to do 10 minutes worth of.

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Just one person talking.
It's just a white stag.

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White stag with flowers or some
say Ivy growing up.

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It's antlers.
There's plenty of white stags in

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the world.
Yeah, there's tons.

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Black ones 2.
Yep.

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Is that like, tied to the howler
through the original story or

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through, like sightings of them
together?

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Yes.
Yes, OK.

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Cool.
No, actually, I I don't know.

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I I didn't dive as far as I
wanted to with the snoffice.

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There is nothing that I came
across where it specifically

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tied the Howler to this office
other than just that they're

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like the opposites of each
other.

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I do not know if they have, like
when we were talking about the

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Stanley Gaster and the Snarly
Yow.

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Those two are, you know, they
butt heads.

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I don't know if that's the same
situation here.

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I can't tell you, okay.
I was just curious.

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All right, ready to roll?
Yup.

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History according to
ozarkhalers.com An interesting

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piece of not only Howler lore,
but American history, was

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created when Representative
Flander Keep Roots negotiated

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terms in order to fund the order
of The Who Who.

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More on that later, but this is
a secret order said to have

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secret ties to the Howler in
which they construct

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fortifications to fend off the
Howler in Arkansas.

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Philander keep roots.
A KAPK served in the Union Army

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as an engineer, and it was
during this time that both he

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and his brother were stationed
in Arkansas and Missouri, where

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rumors were spreading that the
Ozark Howler had aligned with

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the Confederacy and was being
used to attack the Northern

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camps.
The brothers specific jobs in

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this effort were to create forts
that were impenetrable to the

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howler.
And yes, apparently after

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further research and the claims
this is true.

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This is actually what was
written as the claim for what he

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was told to do while he was in
the Union Army.

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After the war, PK won the
election to the House of

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Representatives and continued
his efforts in protecting the

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people of Arkansas, both in the
towns.

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And the railways against the
likeliness of the Ozark Howler

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and to protect the howler from
the people.

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In Ralph Howler's book The Ozark
Howler, he describes how a group

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of over 150 Russian Jews had
arrived in Arkansas in hopes of

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establishing a commune in 1883.
As time went on, a few of them

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began to disappear and the
community began acting by

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building crude buildings for
women and children to sleep in

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while the men slept outside to
protect against whatever was

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making the people disappear. 20
men in total eventually ended up

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disappearing on watch, and when
blood was found in the vicinity

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of their disappearances, the
group began drawing connections

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to their dark times in Russia.
The official cause of death was

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that all the men died of
malaria.

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No one ever showed signs or
symptoms of the disease while

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alive or after the group moved
out of the area.

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The locals use this as an
example of the terror that is

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the Ozark Power.
In spring of 1905, a very

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strange set of events took place
immediately after many citizens

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of Arkansas began reacting to an
extremely large number of

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reports of howler sightings and
attacks.

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Businesses began closing down
early enough for people to get

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home before night.
Parents would keep their kids

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home instead of going to school,
and people in general refused to

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travel after sunset.
An announcement was made by

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public officials that there were
no widespread threats, but

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people didn't seem to care.
They continued with their

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cautious lifestyles at that
point.

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Things continued throughout the
early summer, and on August 1st

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Governor Jeff Davis sent
National Guardsmen to every Rd.

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entering the state.
The state was locked down

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completely from anyone entering
or exiting for the time being.

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The official reasoning was that
they were protecting the

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citizens from yellow fever, but
yellow fever was not a thing in

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or around Arkansas that year.
In fact, according to

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encyclopediaofarkansas.net, the
last cases of yellow fever in

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the state were in 187926 years
prior to the state being shut

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down.
People began reporting sightings

457
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,880
of guardsmen in the forest and
along the roadways with weapons

458
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,160
for almost the entire week after
the shutdown, and when a report

459
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,320
of the howler was made, the
Guardsmen were quick to arrive.

460
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,840
This led the population to
believe that it was in response

461
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,280
to the increased aggression from
the animal in the months prior

462
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,600
that finally made the governor
start taking it seriously, and

463
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,720
the excuse of yellow fever was
used to not create a stir in the

464
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,260
community.
I find it so strange that they

465
00:26:08,260 --> 00:26:10,780
believe that yellow fever would
have caused less of a stir in

466
00:26:10,780 --> 00:26:13,860
the community than a wild
unknown animal on the loose.

467
00:26:14,740 --> 00:26:18,340
Anyways, shortly after a week of
shutdown, the stay opened back

468
00:26:18,340 --> 00:26:21,940
up and reports of the howler
runins were basically gone.

469
00:26:22,820 --> 00:26:26,020
But in 1927 there was a spat of
howler sightings in the area of

470
00:26:26,020 --> 00:26:28,940
Hella Bend.
This area used to be a lush

471
00:26:28,940 --> 00:26:31,780
farming community until the
summer when the howler

472
00:26:31,780 --> 00:26:33,700
terrorized the farmers
operations.

473
00:26:34,890 --> 00:26:37,290
The fear of the creature was so
great that many of the farmers

474
00:26:37,290 --> 00:26:41,090
missed their window to harvest
and a late flood destroyed what

475
00:26:41,090 --> 00:26:44,450
was still salvageable.
Due to this, many farmers had to

476
00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:48,730
sell their land, and the only
buyer that would bid was the

477
00:26:48,730 --> 00:26:51,530
federal government, who bought
the land for pennies on the

478
00:26:51,530 --> 00:26:54,290
dollar.
The majority of land around Hala

479
00:26:54,290 --> 00:26:57,450
Bend is now owned by the Fish
and Wildlife Service, and the

480
00:26:57,450 --> 00:27:00,330
area is now practically barren
of human life.

481
00:27:01,370 --> 00:27:04,050
So we got into a little bit.
Of some history when it comes

482
00:27:04,050 --> 00:27:08,050
back down to the land.
Yes, I I did confirm a little

483
00:27:08,050 --> 00:27:10,730
bit of that now.
I mean, records only go back so

484
00:27:10,730 --> 00:27:14,170
far and I obviously didn't have
the reach that I could have to.

485
00:27:14,330 --> 00:27:19,410
Confirm everything.
But yes, a lot of that seems to

486
00:27:19,410 --> 00:27:21,170
be true.
It's very cool.

487
00:27:21,410 --> 00:27:25,980
And I like how there's like a
secret society that believes in

488
00:27:25,980 --> 00:27:28,420
it so much that they're willing
to, like, set up defenses

489
00:27:28,420 --> 00:27:30,860
against it.
I can't wait to get into that.

490
00:27:30,940 --> 00:27:32,860
If you're gonna believe in
something, you might as well

491
00:27:32,900 --> 00:27:35,980
protect yourself from it, right?
Something like this vicious

492
00:27:35,980 --> 00:27:37,420
beast, apparently.
That's awesome.

493
00:27:38,260 --> 00:27:44,060
CJ Come on, man, give me stuff.
I mean, if it's out here

494
00:27:44,060 --> 00:27:47,180
destroying all kinds of farmland
and like ruining people's lives

495
00:27:47,180 --> 00:27:52,740
and shit, why is that
representative trying to?

496
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,160
Protect it from people.
Well, this is part of the

497
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,760
question.
The question about why they

498
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,840
would want to protect it.
There's some theories out there,

499
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,320
but nothing concrete.
But as you'll see as we get

500
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,840
later into this this.
Is this thing is taken very

501
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,000
seriously, Lauren, What do you
think?

502
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,920
Well, initially when you were
talking about, I think it was,

503
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,000
you were saying that they were
saying that the Confederate Army

504
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,110
was using it, right?
That was, that was what the

505
00:28:24,110 --> 00:28:26,390
Union Army was saying.
I don't know if it was

506
00:28:26,510 --> 00:28:29,750
important.
Like fear mongering to me that

507
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:33,150
maybe that was some rumors that
was spreading kind of like as

508
00:28:33,150 --> 00:28:40,310
intimidation.
I think it's strange that the

509
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:46,510
government would shut down and
prevent anybody from coming in

510
00:28:46,510 --> 00:28:50,510
or out of the entire state.
Were all of these across the

511
00:28:50,510 --> 00:28:52,310
whole state, or were they
localized?

512
00:28:52,830 --> 00:28:57,990
No, no, this is, this is
statewide also getting into

513
00:28:58,030 --> 00:29:01,110
Missouri and I think we talked a
little bit about Oklahoma a

514
00:29:01,110 --> 00:29:05,790
little bit later, but yes,
Arkansas statewide for sure.

515
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:08,710
And the shutdown of the state
did happen.

516
00:29:08,990 --> 00:29:11,550
That happened for a week.
They did blame it on yellow

517
00:29:11,550 --> 00:29:13,390
fever.
I was able to confirm that the

518
00:29:13,390 --> 00:29:17,030
last case of yellow fever in or
around that state and I looked

519
00:29:17,030 --> 00:29:18,510
into.
Every state that touched

520
00:29:18,510 --> 00:29:22,360
Arkansas closest.
Case of yellow fever happened 26

521
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,440
years prior.
Interesting.

522
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:30,400
To have that big of a response
in that many studies across an

523
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:35,000
entire state makes me think that
it wasn't just one animal.

524
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:36,760
Yes.
It's demons.

525
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,640
I beat Jake to it.
Well, it has to be multiple

526
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,880
animals because it's not like
one animal has immortality and

527
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,490
just sustains forever.
Right.

528
00:29:47,610 --> 00:29:52,090
But to have that many across
that wide of an area for one

529
00:29:52,090 --> 00:29:55,970
specific period of time feels
suspicious to me.

530
00:29:56,370 --> 00:30:00,490
Or they're lying.
You know, Jake, there's not a

531
00:30:00,490 --> 00:30:03,530
lot of cryptids out there that I
think have a legitimate chance

532
00:30:03,570 --> 00:30:07,490
at existing.
I did not continue listening.

533
00:30:07,770 --> 00:30:11,930
I telling you man, I did not
think when I first started

534
00:30:11,930 --> 00:30:15,090
diving into the Ozark Halar and
just knowing the the surface

535
00:30:15,090 --> 00:30:17,930
information, I didn't think that
this was a possibility.

536
00:30:18,250 --> 00:30:20,930
I don't know man, this I I think
this is up there.

537
00:30:21,170 --> 00:30:23,810
This is up there.
This is one of this is on on the

538
00:30:23,810 --> 00:30:26,010
cusp of being believable, Like
very.

539
00:30:27,730 --> 00:30:30,050
So the demons thing wasn't
actually like me being an

540
00:30:30,050 --> 00:30:33,220
asshole towards Jake, no?
And we actually get into that

541
00:30:33,220 --> 00:30:34,300
too.
Good.

542
00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:39,100
Cuz well, here we go.
I'm gonna go ahead and put it

543
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:43,020
out there like it sounds very
reminiscent of like a hell

544
00:30:43,020 --> 00:30:44,380
hound.
Almost, yes.

545
00:30:44,380 --> 00:30:49,540
Like, maybe not quite.
But I mean, it's Arkansas.

546
00:30:49,620 --> 00:30:52,700
Who knows what they're smoking
and drinking out there out in

547
00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:54,220
the woods, doing all of.
They want that.

548
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,760
All of it.
Well, I mean, some of the 1920s

549
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,720
and stuff like pot was still
like a huge, huge thing and you

550
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,200
grown it out in the woods or
whatever.

551
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,400
I don't know, moonshine,
whatever they got going on.

552
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,360
But witchcraft also has a
massive prevalency in Arkansas,

553
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,880
especially around that time.
Practice of the esoteric and

554
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,640
whatnot.
Old world Satanism and stuff

555
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,640
which would potentially have the
ability to call out.

556
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:25,430
Things like demons and
hellhounds and whatnot,

557
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:27,310
depending on what their what
their objectives were.

558
00:31:27,310 --> 00:31:30,510
Especially if someone was being
salty against the community as a

559
00:31:30,510 --> 00:31:33,150
whole, rejected by the community
or whatever, they could have

560
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:37,310
easily summoned on some sort of
demonic presence to take revenge

561
00:31:37,310 --> 00:31:41,910
in that aspect.
So yeah, if anyone wants to know

562
00:31:41,910 --> 00:31:43,950
what Mystery Stone Podcast is
about, there we go.

563
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:48,790
Shameless.
But yeah, shameless, but no.

564
00:31:48,790 --> 00:31:51,980
But seriously.
I could actually like get in

565
00:31:51,980 --> 00:31:56,780
line with like Jake's Typical
what everything is on this

566
00:31:56,780 --> 00:32:02,660
particular subject Feels good.
I feel like if it was a

567
00:32:02,660 --> 00:32:09,580
Hellhound though it's very
specific form of that to 1 area,

568
00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:12,540
whereas I feel like hellhounds,
you would have seen it in

569
00:32:12,540 --> 00:32:16,340
another place across the country
or in a different country.

570
00:32:16,700 --> 00:32:19,180
Well, when you're dealing with
the esoteric and.

571
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,560
Specifically, dark magic,
witchcraft and things like that.

572
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,640
It depends on what exactly they
were trying to call.

573
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,240
So especially if you're working
with like the Lesser Key of

574
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:37,840
Solomon's Galatia and things
like that, each individual demon

575
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,880
could potentially have its own
hellhound.

576
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,720
It could look different things.
And like throughout history,

577
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,760
when you look at hellhounds, we
have hellhounds.

578
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,920
The Black Shuck, the headless
one that's out there in England.

579
00:32:50,330 --> 00:32:52,690
Yeah, they they they all take on
these many different forms, so

580
00:32:52,690 --> 00:32:55,010
it's not unreasonable to think
that this could be a different

581
00:32:55,010 --> 00:33:00,210
type of Hellhound.
Yeah, we did an entire series on

582
00:33:00,210 --> 00:33:03,810
the phantom black dog
phenomenon, which is tied

583
00:33:04,010 --> 00:33:06,930
directly to Hellhounds, if not
an interchangeable name for him.

584
00:33:07,690 --> 00:33:10,290
Yeah, I listened to actually
really liked that one.

585
00:33:10,930 --> 00:33:12,930
Spoiler alert, I'm working on
some more.

586
00:33:13,210 --> 00:33:15,930
Good I am.
You left him unfinished.

587
00:33:16,490 --> 00:33:18,450
I did.
I got some South America stuff.

588
00:33:18,450 --> 00:33:20,880
That's really, really cool.
Are you gonna get a South

589
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,240
American guest?
I don't know.

590
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,520
Maybe it maybe.
I don't know anybody from South

591
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,240
America that wants to come on
for the South American black dog

592
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,880
phenomenon and reach out for
sure.

593
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,960
All right, you guys ready?
I think this one's a little long

594
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,440
this stint, but this one, this
one's good.

595
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,040
I like this.
Ready early sightings.

596
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,480
Daniel Boone is no cheese.
Really.

597
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,000
You're.
Such an asshole.

598
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,680
Get out of here.
Get out of here.

599
00:33:46,330 --> 00:33:48,210
Early sightings.
How does he have access to the

600
00:33:48,290 --> 00:33:50,290
to the script and I don't this
some bullshit?

601
00:33:50,850 --> 00:33:55,010
Because he still has access to
the drive for for reasons

602
00:33:55,050 --> 00:33:59,890
unknown.
All right, talk about that

603
00:33:59,890 --> 00:34:01,770
later.
Early sightings.

604
00:34:02,330 --> 00:34:05,690
Daniel Boone is known as the
Appalachian explorer that pushed

605
00:34:05,690 --> 00:34:08,850
the borders of the United States
westward, eventually moving into

606
00:34:08,850 --> 00:34:12,489
Missouri, which was at the time
part of the Louisiana which

607
00:34:12,489 --> 00:34:15,409
would eventually be purchased by
the US and the famed Louisiana

608
00:34:15,409 --> 00:34:19,100
Purchase.
From this point he would always

609
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:22,900
push W for the sake of
exploring, expanding or hunting,

610
00:34:23,260 --> 00:34:27,699
and it was during the 1810 trip
into the forest and what is now

611
00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:31,780
referred to as Cuba, MO, where
Daniel Boone became the first

612
00:34:31,780 --> 00:34:34,620
recorded person to have an
encounter with the Howler.

613
00:34:34,980 --> 00:34:38,300
The original letter written to
his sisterinlaw describing the

614
00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:42,420
incident and is written in an
older style of English, so I did

615
00:34:42,420 --> 00:34:48,380
my best to translate this quote.
I leave you with alarming story

616
00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:53,300
of a black creature I found and
wounded on the solder Creek,

617
00:34:54,100 --> 00:34:59,260
black and swarthy with horns on
its scalp, ignorant of its name.

618
00:34:59,540 --> 00:35:03,460
I am told the sound it makes
with a terrible owling in the

619
00:35:03,460 --> 00:35:08,380
night, Warnings of this for
settlers shoaled by past along

620
00:35:09,220 --> 00:35:12,380
your humble servant, Daniel
Boone.

621
00:35:13,630 --> 00:35:16,670
It is said that Boone had one
other encounter with the same

622
00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:19,350
creature.
Although this account can't be

623
00:35:19,350 --> 00:35:25,230
verified, it is said that he
supposedly killed it in 1816.

624
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:31,230
In 1846, several families in the
small town of Red Oak, Arkansas

625
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:33,470
claim to have encountered the
howler.

626
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:37,950
Unfortunately, the only form of
documentation is that of an oral

627
00:35:38,110 --> 00:35:41,390
retelling of the encounters.
Therefore, it is impossible to

628
00:35:41,390 --> 00:35:43,950
get anything solid on what the
events actually were.

629
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:46,710
That's pretty much all there is
to report on this story.

630
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:51,510
Sadly.
In 1852 a Mr. Baird was living

631
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:56,070
near modern day Branson, MO, who
is a lead miner that not only

632
00:35:56,070 --> 00:35:59,110
worked in his mind, but also
live just 30 feet away from the

633
00:35:59,110 --> 00:36:02,790
mouth of it on the inside.
The man would leave the comfort

634
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:05,870
of his mind every so often with
a load of heavy lead to trade

635
00:36:05,870 --> 00:36:07,550
with the people at the bottom of
the mountain.

636
00:36:08,250 --> 00:36:12,730
According to author Ralph
Toller, Baird eventually began

637
00:36:12,730 --> 00:36:16,730
showing up in town without any
lead and yelling at anybody who

638
00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:21,130
would look his way.
Yelling things like it calls, it

639
00:36:21,130 --> 00:36:25,210
beckons and it howls.
Eventually a group of men took

640
00:36:25,210 --> 00:36:28,650
out to Old Man Baird's mind and
camped out to see what he was

641
00:36:28,650 --> 00:36:31,530
fussing about.
And as the sun lowered toward

642
00:36:31,530 --> 00:36:34,570
the horizon made by the canopy
of tree tops.

643
00:36:35,410 --> 00:36:38,530
They began to hear a low moan,
which quickly turned into a loud

644
00:36:38,530 --> 00:36:42,570
and straight and shrieking.
Soon after the switch in tone,

645
00:36:42,850 --> 00:36:45,770
it was made clear that the call
wasn't coming from deep within

646
00:36:45,770 --> 00:36:50,050
the forest, but rather it was
coming from behind them, deep

647
00:36:50,050 --> 00:36:53,490
within the mine.
The group of men and Baird

648
00:36:53,530 --> 00:36:56,570
decided to investigate the
strange sound and then, as they

649
00:36:56,570 --> 00:37:00,490
approached the chamber only 50
feet in, a set of red glowing

650
00:37:00,490 --> 00:37:03,130
eyes were seen peering at them
through the pitch.

651
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,320
As light from their torches
illuminated the area, it was to

652
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,760
their surprise that the culprit
of the sound and the red eyes

653
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,160
also sported a rather large set
of horns on top of its head, as

654
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,360
well as a beard that resembled
that of an old man's.

655
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,360
With torches in hand, the men
slowly creeped up towards the

656
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,560
creature, and before the men got
too close, the creature stood up

657
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:30,310
and ran deeper into mine.
Baird recognized the area that

658
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:33,870
the creature ran to as a place
that he recently excavated,

659
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:37,430
which when they approached Baird
was surprised to see that there

660
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:40,790
was a large hole in the ground
which seemed to lead into a

661
00:37:40,910 --> 00:37:44,670
deeper cavern.
The men could hear the creature

662
00:37:44,670 --> 00:37:47,790
moving around at the bottom, but
the footfalls began growing

663
00:37:47,790 --> 00:37:50,270
fainter as they believe the
creature was moving away from

664
00:37:50,270 --> 00:37:53,070
them.
So the men lowered themselves 1

665
00:37:53,070 --> 00:37:57,030
by 1 down the shaft and into the
cavern below from there.

666
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,440
The group moved along and
eventually walked right out of

667
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,200
another opening in the side of
the mountain, a good way away

668
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,880
from Bard's mine.
The creature could be heard

669
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,840
coming from the forest in front
of them now, as the sound of a

670
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,120
towel was unique.
The men decided this was the

671
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,120
point where they would separate
from Baird and head back to the

672
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,960
village, and the next morning
they would share their story

673
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,600
with everyone that would listen.
Baird would continue to live in

674
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,240
his mind for a few more years
before his death.

675
00:38:25,650 --> 00:38:28,370
And reported that he always
heard the sound of the howler,

676
00:38:28,370 --> 00:38:31,290
the majority of Knights, but
never saw it again.

677
00:38:31,890 --> 00:38:36,250
In the early 1900s, a man by the
name of William Klein's claimed

678
00:38:36,250 --> 00:38:39,010
to have a run in with the
mysterious upright, hairy

679
00:38:39,010 --> 00:38:42,690
creature in the nighttime in
modernday brushy Oklahoma.

680
00:38:42,850 --> 00:38:46,050
As he approached what he thought
was another man walking along

681
00:38:46,050 --> 00:38:49,450
the road in the pitch of night,
he lent a greeting and whatever

682
00:38:49,450 --> 00:38:52,370
it was, jumped on top of his
horse and began attacking it

683
00:38:52,370 --> 00:38:55,720
with its long, sharp claws.
He attempted to fight off the

684
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:58,520
creature, but it was the horse
that was able to free itself so

685
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,240
that the two of them could get
away.

686
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:06,000
On April 22nd of 1922, at about
5:30 in the morning, the Jude

687
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,680
family was awoken by the sounds
of their cattle in distress.

688
00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:11,920
As Tom Jude entered the barn
where the commotion was taking

689
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,320
place, he noticed that the milk
station had blood spotted all

690
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,760
around it.
As he took a few steps to

691
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,800
investigate, something large and
Black ran by him and gave him a

692
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,040
nasty slice on his leg before it
darted out of the barn.

693
00:39:24,650 --> 00:39:27,730
He unfortunately didn't get a
good look at whatever it was,

694
00:39:28,130 --> 00:39:30,690
but his wife was watching the
entire event from the safety of

695
00:39:30,690 --> 00:39:34,010
their house and described the
creature that ran away as quote.

696
00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:37,890
It first appeared to be a large
bear or mountain cat, but as it

697
00:39:37,890 --> 00:39:41,650
was running I swear to Lord that
thing was a horned feline.

698
00:39:42,410 --> 00:39:46,330
When the event was all said and
done, only one cow was found

699
00:39:46,330 --> 00:39:50,010
dead in the past year and what
was really strange was that

700
00:39:50,010 --> 00:39:52,210
there was no damage to the body
whatsoever.

701
00:39:52,910 --> 00:39:54,950
And it seemed like it had died
of natural causes.

702
00:39:56,430 --> 00:40:01,030
In 1927 in Arkansas, Cumberland
College student tells of his

703
00:40:01,030 --> 00:40:03,830
encounter with the beast, in
which he describes the night

704
00:40:03,830 --> 00:40:06,630
that he was traveling down A1
lane Back Rd.

705
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:08,550
When something jumped out in
front of him.

706
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:12,510
The animal had the face of a
feline but was shaggy with large

707
00:40:12,510 --> 00:40:14,830
yellow eyes.
After he stopped, the creature

708
00:40:14,830 --> 00:40:18,230
began walking slowly towards
him, and his reaction was the

709
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:21,270
floor of the gas.
The animal gave chase briefly

710
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:25,280
but never reached him.
Red Oak OK 1946.

711
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,440
Many servicemen began coming to
the area due to a lot of cheap

712
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,240
land, and since the war ended
the year prior, there were many

713
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:34,880
that were willing to gather it
all up.

714
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,360
This led to a rash of sightings
within the blossoming community.

715
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,920
Unfortunately, there isn't much
else on this other than that

716
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,680
there were a lot of sightings
during this time, but at nearly

717
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,690
the same time a similar
occurrence was happening in

718
00:40:48,690 --> 00:40:52,770
Marshfield, MO, just about 250
miles northeast of Red Oak.

719
00:40:53,290 --> 00:40:56,570
Marshfield, being another area
with an abundance of cheap land

720
00:40:56,570 --> 00:41:00,170
at the time, was also becoming
the new home of many veterans of

721
00:41:00,170 --> 00:41:03,370
World War 2 that were coming
home and looking to begin their

722
00:41:03,370 --> 00:41:06,130
new lives.
On the edge of the growing town,

723
00:41:06,210 --> 00:41:08,970
a group of three veterans and
their families purchased a

724
00:41:08,970 --> 00:41:11,930
section of land that they had
split up into three lots and

725
00:41:11,930 --> 00:41:15,930
began building their new homes.
After a long day of erecting

726
00:41:15,930 --> 00:41:18,960
framework, the guys were sitting
around the truck putting the

727
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,320
tools away and getting ready to
share a few beers before calling

728
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,640
it a night.
But the easy part of their day

729
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,880
was disrupted by the sound of a
loud and strange howl coming

730
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,760
from the nearby woods.
The men all grew up in Missouri

731
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,160
within the borders of the
Ozarks, and none of them could

732
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,720
pinpoint what was making the
sound.

733
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,480
The men thought differently of
their drink and headed back to

734
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,560
the home that they were staying
at for the time being.

735
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,230
When the three men returned the
next morning, all their work

736
00:41:45,230 --> 00:41:47,030
from the day prior had been
destroyed.

737
00:41:47,550 --> 00:41:50,670
The studs and beams they had
laid were either shredded,

738
00:41:50,910 --> 00:41:55,110
broken, or in some cases split
down the middle the long way.

739
00:41:55,950 --> 00:41:59,510
There was zero chance that the
wood they used could be salvaged

740
00:41:59,550 --> 00:42:02,350
and reused.
So the men cleaned it up and

741
00:42:02,350 --> 00:42:06,190
built it back up with new wood.
And at the end of the day the

742
00:42:06,190 --> 00:42:09,390
howling returned, and the next
morning all their work was

743
00:42:09,390 --> 00:42:14,190
destroyed once again, rightly
pissed at this point the men

744
00:42:14,190 --> 00:42:17,910
reluctantly went into town to
purchase more lumber and began

745
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:22,070
rebuilding for the third time.
Only this time one of the men

746
00:42:22,070 --> 00:42:24,910
brought his shotgun and the
decision was made to stay at the

747
00:42:24,910 --> 00:42:27,950
site for the night to scare off
the vandals they believe for

748
00:42:27,950 --> 00:42:30,790
causing the issue.
The howling came late in the

749
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:34,350
evening, this time at about
10:00, and the men responded by

750
00:42:34,350 --> 00:42:37,230
yelling into the tree line to
tell whoever it was that it was

751
00:42:37,230 --> 00:42:40,830
out there to come on out.
What came out in response was no

752
00:42:40,830 --> 00:42:43,520
human.
The beast lumbered out on all

753
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,400
fours, and the men were
instantly not only concerned for

754
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,720
the work that they had done, but
also for themselves.

755
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,800
The men attempted to yell at it
to try and scare it off, but the

756
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,480
creature continued its stride to
the framework of that first

757
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,160
house and began attacking it
with paws and teeth.

758
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,880
One of the men raised the
shotgun and fired right at the

759
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,120
beast.
The creature wasn't fazed in the

760
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,360
least and turned towards the men
and began its lazy stride

761
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,710
directly towards them.
The men described the eyes as

762
00:43:11,710 --> 00:43:15,750
glowing red and as the creature
came closer it lowered its head

763
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:18,910
and aimed the 2 sharp horns at
one of the men before beginning

764
00:43:18,910 --> 00:43:21,950
its charge.
One of the men took a horn in

765
00:43:21,950 --> 00:43:25,310
the shoulder was pinned between
the head of this animal and the

766
00:43:25,310 --> 00:43:28,110
truck.
One of the other men took

767
00:43:28,110 --> 00:43:31,350
another shot at the creature and
this time it clearly struck as

768
00:43:31,350 --> 00:43:34,390
there was an audible thump and a
jerking reaction from the

769
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:36,830
target.
It yelled out in pain and took

770
00:43:36,830 --> 00:43:38,550
off running back into the tree
line.

771
00:43:39,260 --> 00:43:42,460
The men never had another run in
with the howler again after the

772
00:43:42,460 --> 00:43:45,460
homes were built and continued
their lives on the property.

773
00:43:46,580 --> 00:43:49,540
The town, however, would hear
the calls of the howler for

774
00:43:49,540 --> 00:43:53,020
weeks after the incident and a
few other structures or items

775
00:43:53,020 --> 00:43:56,580
were destroyed under the Cape of
Night, but nobody recorded a

776
00:43:56,580 --> 00:43:59,380
physical run in with the
creature again in this town

777
00:43:59,380 --> 00:44:03,380
during this period of time.
In response to this event, a

778
00:44:03,420 --> 00:44:07,780
very famous visitor had made
their way to Marshfield in order

779
00:44:07,780 --> 00:44:12,100
to conduct business involving
the creature, but I'll cover

780
00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:14,020
that in a later section in this
presentation.

781
00:44:15,220 --> 00:44:17,860
Oregon County, Missouri, October
1951.

782
00:44:18,740 --> 00:44:21,260
A dairy farmer scared away a
creature standing taller than

783
00:44:21,260 --> 00:44:24,700
his cattle who is posing an
offensive posture against his

784
00:44:24,700 --> 00:44:27,980
cornered animals.
He described it as hunched, with

785
00:44:27,980 --> 00:44:29,820
muscular shoulders and a bearded
face.

786
00:44:30,460 --> 00:44:32,940
The creature never attacked as
he scared it off before it can

787
00:44:32,940 --> 00:44:38,060
make a move, and in 1953 a man
by the name of Jasper Pollard

788
00:44:38,570 --> 00:44:41,730
described a run in with the
howler which left him in awe of

789
00:44:41,730 --> 00:44:43,970
the uniquely twisted horns on
top of its head.

790
00:44:51,010 --> 00:44:55,250
All right, guys, So that's all
the early sightings Now, I I

791
00:44:55,250 --> 00:44:46,210
didn't include everything.
When Paula recognized the beast,

792
00:44:46,730 --> 00:44:48,890
he slowly backed away and was
never.

793
00:44:56,890 --> 00:45:00,690
I had to cut a little bit out.
Just, you know, a lot of them

794
00:45:00,690 --> 00:45:04,090
were very similar accounts, so I
chose to go with the ones that

795
00:45:04,090 --> 00:45:07,540
were different.
Ones that didn't sound like it

796
00:45:07,540 --> 00:45:09,620
was just the same account, just
in a different location or a

797
00:45:09,620 --> 00:45:12,860
different time.
So what do you guys think?

798
00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:15,660
I think the one in the mine was
a Caribou.

799
00:45:16,780 --> 00:45:19,380
Think so.
Caribou or elk, they make the

800
00:45:19,380 --> 00:45:23,420
most horrific noise and they can
go from that like low rumble to

801
00:45:23,420 --> 00:45:27,620
that high pitch pitched shriek
and the only thing they

802
00:45:27,620 --> 00:45:32,340
described was horns, red eyes
and a beard, all of which in the

803
00:45:32,340 --> 00:45:34,580
light a Caribou or elk would
have.

804
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:38,440
I don't think there was anything
in the mind at all.

805
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:44,000
Also, why would they go after it
like you see something spooky?

806
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,040
Why don't you just leave it go
run?

807
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,720
Because they're men, and men are
stupid.

808
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:50,640
That that's right.
That's fair.

809
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,520
That's that's very true.
The story of the mind stuck out

810
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,680
to me specifically because the
guy was mining lead, and

811
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,560
typically where lead is being
mined, you're able to find

812
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,130
mercury.
And mercury causes what's called

813
00:46:04,130 --> 00:46:07,130
Mad Hatter's disease, right?
Yeah.

814
00:46:07,170 --> 00:46:10,690
And my man was definitely seeing
some shit in that mind.

815
00:46:10,690 --> 00:46:12,570
And he went down, like just like
his ramblings.

816
00:46:12,570 --> 00:46:17,090
Like it hows, it calls like, you
know, we're all a little crazy

817
00:46:17,090 --> 00:46:19,010
here, like we're all a little
mad.

818
00:46:19,410 --> 00:46:21,450
And then he gets those guys to
come up there.

819
00:46:21,450 --> 00:46:26,050
And what I would gather what
they saw was actually a group

820
00:46:26,050 --> 00:46:27,970
hallucination caused by mass
hysteria.

821
00:46:28,530 --> 00:46:32,830
I actually 100% agree.
With everything but the group

822
00:46:32,830 --> 00:46:36,870
hallucination 100%.
It's funny that you said that

823
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:39,110
because when I was reading this
I was like, this is fucking lead

824
00:46:39,110 --> 00:46:40,670
poisoning.
Yeah, it's definitely heavy

825
00:46:40,670 --> 00:46:42,790
metal poisoning.
Absolutely.

826
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:47,390
Little mad Hatters in there too.
And you know, even if that was

827
00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:50,870
the case, I mean, you know, the
the old man definitely had it

828
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:52,950
bad.
I mean, if he was, he was living

829
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:56,270
30 feet within the mine.
He was living there.

830
00:46:56,310 --> 00:47:00,630
This is where he slept, 8 chat,
worked, everything.

831
00:47:01,180 --> 00:47:03,540
So yeah, this.
And he was probably drinking at

832
00:47:03,540 --> 00:47:08,500
a lead cups.
Probably This guy is fucked.

833
00:47:09,060 --> 00:47:12,020
Connecting Cj's and Lauren's
there, you know, you get

834
00:47:12,020 --> 00:47:15,060
somebody who's all dope, dope on
lead.

835
00:47:15,420 --> 00:47:19,020
Then you see an elk, which I'm
pretty sure were in the area at

836
00:47:19,020 --> 00:47:20,980
that time.
I don't think they are anymore,

837
00:47:21,500 --> 00:47:24,580
but I could definitely see that
being a thing for sure.

838
00:47:25,180 --> 00:47:27,780
So I brought up my notepad so I
could start taking notes and

839
00:47:27,780 --> 00:47:32,720
stuff this.
Was it Jude family with the

840
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,920
their distressed cattle?
Yes.

841
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,400
And yet your endpoint was that
it seems that it had died of

842
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:39,880
natural causes.
Yes.

843
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:44,240
Doesn't strike me as odd in any
way because, I mean, you can

844
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:47,280
scare animals to death, Yes.
Just like you can scare people

845
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,040
to death.
Put them in enough stress and

846
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,640
they'll just same as us.
They'll have massive heart

847
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,680
attacks and stuff.
It's just so weird.

848
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,280
This like, horned feline
concept.

849
00:47:58,060 --> 00:48:00,740
It gets, it gets.
Crazier and I kind of explained

850
00:48:00,740 --> 00:48:02,260
that a little bit.
I want to say it's in the next

851
00:48:02,260 --> 00:48:04,460
bit.
Whichever section it was that

852
00:48:04,460 --> 00:48:08,180
the guy thought that he saw a
person and I was immediately

853
00:48:08,180 --> 00:48:11,060
like, well, obviously that's a
Bigfoot, right?

854
00:48:11,540 --> 00:48:14,140
Big old hairy man.
But then it came out with the

855
00:48:14,140 --> 00:48:21,700
claws and I was just like.
I I was actually thinking dog

856
00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:24,340
man, and I'm not.
I'm not a huge component to the

857
00:48:24,340 --> 00:48:28,220
dog man phenomenon, but.
I mean, if you're talking about

858
00:48:28,220 --> 00:48:31,900
an old time dog man encounter,
this is this is what it sounds

859
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:33,580
like.
Yeah, I thought the same thing.

860
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:39,780
Sure, cuz I mean honestly, if
the the basic idea is that this

861
00:48:39,780 --> 00:48:44,820
thing is on all fours sometimes
I guess, and it's covered in

862
00:48:44,820 --> 00:48:49,420
shaggy hair, then if people
don't see the horns.

863
00:48:51,010 --> 00:48:54,490
Or the obvious feline look.
Then I guess technically it

864
00:48:54,490 --> 00:48:56,770
could be mistaken with a
plethora of things.

865
00:48:57,690 --> 00:49:02,730
And of course I I thought about
CJ's, you know, his witchcraft,

866
00:49:02,730 --> 00:49:07,090
demonic hellhound theory, when
the guy shot the shotgun at it

867
00:49:07,170 --> 00:49:10,370
and it didn't have really in
effect, but then it was also

868
00:49:10,650 --> 00:49:13,690
destroying the wooden pieces.
I was like, well, that wouldn't

869
00:49:13,690 --> 00:49:15,410
be the case because it was a
spirit animal.

870
00:49:15,650 --> 00:49:18,330
It wouldn't be able to
physically manipulate things.

871
00:49:18,590 --> 00:49:20,190
Like that.
I think they missed it.

872
00:49:20,350 --> 00:49:23,510
Yeah, until you said there was a
second shot, or the third shot

873
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:26,750
rather, and it made a thump.
And then that's when they got

874
00:49:26,750 --> 00:49:30,190
the reaction from the creature.
Yeah.

875
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:34,870
But I was also thinking about, I
don't remember, we did an

876
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:38,430
episode a while back where
someone, maybe it was a black

877
00:49:38,430 --> 00:49:41,390
dog episode and they said that
they shot it and it passed right

878
00:49:41,390 --> 00:49:46,230
through it and we were like that
guy was crap in his pants.

879
00:49:46,610 --> 00:49:48,970
And was running scared and had
to look tough for all of his

880
00:49:48,970 --> 00:49:51,050
boys, right?
Or something along the lines of

881
00:49:51,050 --> 00:49:54,330
that.
And so I was like, brain was

882
00:49:54,330 --> 00:49:55,810
going a couple different ways
from that.

883
00:49:56,170 --> 00:49:59,130
But yeah, I think that that the
first guy, if this is indeed a

884
00:49:59,130 --> 00:50:02,010
real incident, that he was just
so scared, he probably went way,

885
00:50:02,130 --> 00:50:05,290
way high or went straight into
the dirt, whichever it was.

886
00:50:05,530 --> 00:50:07,530
And so I was making my opinions.
And then you're like, and then

887
00:50:07,530 --> 00:50:10,890
he, they shot it again.
And then it actually had a

888
00:50:10,890 --> 00:50:13,810
reaction.
So it could still technically

889
00:50:13,810 --> 00:50:16,770
be.
Like a demonic force, a hell

890
00:50:16,770 --> 00:50:23,610
hunt, There's a practice within
the metaphysical where they can

891
00:50:23,610 --> 00:50:29,930
open a portal and that allows
the spirits to cross through

892
00:50:29,930 --> 00:50:34,650
into our dimension with physical
form instead of an ethereal

893
00:50:34,650 --> 00:50:38,210
form.
At least that's what it's

894
00:50:38,210 --> 00:50:42,010
supposed to do.
I don't know much about that,

895
00:50:42,010 --> 00:50:43,130
man.
That's your.

896
00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:45,460
That's your side of things.
What about?

897
00:50:46,340 --> 00:50:47,780
But also what about these
veterans?

898
00:50:47,780 --> 00:50:50,220
I mean, so they had to build the
structure like three times

899
00:50:50,220 --> 00:50:52,020
before they actually posted
watch on it.

900
00:50:52,020 --> 00:50:55,500
Did they just not notice being
like, man, there's a lot of

901
00:50:55,500 --> 00:50:59,140
teeth Marks and claw marks in
all of this wood, you know those

902
00:50:59,140 --> 00:51:03,100
Dang kids.
So yes, this, this story does

903
00:51:03,100 --> 00:51:05,860
have some, some, some glaring
issues, right?

904
00:51:06,140 --> 00:51:10,700
And that is one of them.
But this is the most influential

905
00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:12,260
sighting that we're going to
talk about today.

906
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:18,000
This sighting influenced a major
player to come in and we'll talk

907
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,560
about that actually in the next
episode.

908
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,920
But the the this sighting gets
way bigger than what it what it

909
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,120
is right now.
By far the most influential

910
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:27,520
site.
Cool deal.

911
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,480
Lauren, what do you got?
I was just thinking about how

912
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,200
that sighting seemed fishy to
me, but I think Jake pretty much

913
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,840
covered it.
To me.

914
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,760
It feels like they had vandals
messing up their work site and

915
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,800
they weren't doing anything
about it, so.

916
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,640
Weren't doing their a good job
like they should from keeping

917
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,320
that from happen.
They got spooked.

918
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,520
They came up with a story so
they could act like they were

919
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:56,120
tough and fought off a beast.
I would have absolutely said yes

920
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:00,000
if it weren't for the guy who
got pierced in the shoulder by a

921
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,000
horn and the guy actually had an
injury.

922
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,160
Took one for the team.
They used a tool on him.

923
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,760
Yeah, that particular encounter
took in took part in 1946, the

924
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:14,440
year after World War.
We are well into the realm of of

925
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,200
records medicine, right?
And yeah, you could find it.

926
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,680
The guy took a fucking horn or
something to the shoulder and

927
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:27,680
actually had medical treatment
done, blamed it on a fucking big

928
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:33,400
ass black animal with a horns.
And that is what caused.

929
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:38,050
A big.
The big person to come and take

930
00:52:38,050 --> 00:52:40,090
notice and do something about.
It was it.

931
00:52:41,410 --> 00:52:46,370
Was it Roosevelt?
No, no.

932
00:52:46,370 --> 00:52:50,890
Roosevelt's earlier than 46.
But we do talk about Roosevelt

933
00:52:50,890 --> 00:52:53,810
and.
Let's be fair.

934
00:52:53,810 --> 00:52:56,130
If it was Roosevelt, that thing
wouldn't have been around for

935
00:52:56,130 --> 00:52:59,090
longer than 10 minutes.
He'd have pulled up by himself

936
00:52:59,090 --> 00:53:01,290
with like a Bowie knife and a
pistol and that would have been

937
00:53:01,290 --> 00:53:03,700
the end of it.
I'm so glad you guys are up to

938
00:53:03,700 --> 00:53:07,380
date on on these presidents and
their and their their habits

939
00:53:07,380 --> 00:53:09,580
because you guys are going to
love the next episode.

940
00:53:09,660 --> 00:53:12,700
I'm telling you, you guys are
going to fucking love it.

941
00:53:13,220 --> 00:53:18,460
The other side of that, you
know, so say okay, this sounds

942
00:53:18,460 --> 00:53:21,980
fishy, but it's actually,
there's some legitimacy to it.

943
00:53:23,460 --> 00:53:26,980
I would have to imagine that if
this is in fact a real thing

944
00:53:28,020 --> 00:53:31,460
that like most, well, alpha
predators.

945
00:53:32,060 --> 00:53:35,980
They have a territory and so if
these guys just move on to the

946
00:53:36,220 --> 00:53:42,180
its area, maybe it was where it
beds down, who knows, right?

947
00:53:42,540 --> 00:53:45,020
And then they're just setting up
their houses right there.

948
00:53:45,620 --> 00:53:51,940
A lot of people will end up
having runins with alpha

949
00:53:51,940 --> 00:53:55,580
predators because of territorial
type purposes, not just like

950
00:53:55,580 --> 00:53:57,220
they have food in their cars or
whatever.

951
00:53:57,580 --> 00:53:59,460
You know people will stumble
upon.

952
00:53:59,890 --> 00:54:02,650
Bears while they have Cubs and
stuff and all sorts of like

953
00:54:02,770 --> 00:54:05,170
chaos ensues.
But I would imagine it would be

954
00:54:05,170 --> 00:54:08,330
very specifically like this
thing lays in wait for them to

955
00:54:08,330 --> 00:54:12,610
show up and then just mauls them
to death versus destroying all

956
00:54:12,610 --> 00:54:15,770
their lumber, you know?
So I don't know.

957
00:54:17,050 --> 00:54:18,930
It shows up like a Minecraft
creeper.

958
00:54:19,090 --> 00:54:21,370
You sure have a nice everything
there.

959
00:54:26,330 --> 00:54:28,850
That's another question about
that encounter.

960
00:54:28,850 --> 00:54:32,890
Do we see other encounters where
it uses its horns?

961
00:54:33,770 --> 00:54:36,810
No, I did not see.
That was another one that was

962
00:54:36,810 --> 00:54:39,290
actually I was trying to look
for, and I didn't see anything

963
00:54:39,290 --> 00:54:41,850
where it used it as a weapon.
What I want to know is why

964
00:54:41,850 --> 00:54:44,290
nobody showed up with a red
scarf and tried to handle it the

965
00:54:44,290 --> 00:54:46,930
old school way.
Conquistador Yeah, yeah.

966
00:54:47,530 --> 00:54:51,330
Just start bull fighting it
throwing daggers in its back.

967
00:54:51,330 --> 00:54:53,750
That's right.
See, if CJ was there, he would

968
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:55,750
have taken that thing down, put
it on his wallet.

969
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:57,190
Ohh no bitch.
I ain't doing that.

970
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:59,270
Hell no.
I'll do it.

971
00:55:00,350 --> 00:55:01,950
We're taking a trip to the
Ozarks.

972
00:55:01,950 --> 00:55:03,790
Let's go.
Except for Jake's wearing a red

973
00:55:03,790 --> 00:55:05,350
shirt.
He's gonna get it right, Yeah.

974
00:55:05,630 --> 00:55:07,310
Right.
I must dangle Jake in front of

975
00:55:07,310 --> 00:55:08,310
it.
I'm gonna take running off

976
00:55:08,310 --> 00:55:10,310
running like.
Where I survived a motorcycle

977
00:55:10,310 --> 00:55:11,470
crash.
I'm indestructible.

978
00:55:11,470 --> 00:55:18,110
Let's go.
Alright, well that is the end of

979
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:22,190
part one of our coverage on the
Ozark Heller, Lauren.

980
00:55:22,900 --> 00:55:25,420
How was it?
Cool.

981
00:55:26,100 --> 00:55:28,380
Yeah.
Anything new?

982
00:55:29,140 --> 00:55:31,740
Did you get anything new?
Yes, yeah.

983
00:55:31,940 --> 00:55:34,020
Good.
So we did better than all the

984
00:55:34,020 --> 00:55:37,140
other pockets.
I'd heard a lot about the Daniel

985
00:55:37,140 --> 00:55:42,100
Boone story and his encounters
with it, which I was.

986
00:55:42,260 --> 00:55:46,020
Because of the lack of
description, I was just inclined

987
00:55:46,020 --> 00:55:49,420
to think it was something like a
mountain goat or Big Horn sheep

988
00:55:49,420 --> 00:55:52,330
or something like that.
Does goats and sheep make weird

989
00:55:52,330 --> 00:55:53,930
noises too?
Oh yeah.

990
00:55:54,730 --> 00:55:57,890
And Daniel Boone's a pretty
reliable source he is.

991
00:55:58,010 --> 00:56:00,370
I listened to the Bear Grease
podcast and they cover a lot of

992
00:56:00,370 --> 00:56:05,570
Daniel Boone and he his stories
are, for the most part, very

993
00:56:05,650 --> 00:56:09,410
pretty verifiable.
Daniel Boone was a mountain man.

994
00:56:09,530 --> 00:56:11,690
Yeah, I mean, he he he knew his
animals.

995
00:56:11,690 --> 00:56:15,250
And yes, he was most famous for
being in the Appalachians and

996
00:56:15,250 --> 00:56:18,450
maybe wasn't fully aware of all
of the fauna.

997
00:56:18,990 --> 00:56:22,470
In the area West of the
Mississippi, but you'd have.

998
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:24,310
To think he had some sort of
idea.

999
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:29,670
Well, bighorn sheep and mountain
goats are more of rocky, so

1000
00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:31,670
they're more West.
Very true.

1001
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:35,750
So I don't even know if they get
all the way over to the Ozurks.

1002
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:39,510
And they could have back then.
I mean, that's in the 1800s when

1003
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:41,660
you're talking about the boom.
So.

1004
00:56:41,860 --> 00:56:45,060
Boone is also, he's also like he
said, he's a man, he's a

1005
00:56:45,060 --> 00:56:46,460
mountain man, but he still is a
man.

1006
00:56:46,460 --> 00:56:49,580
He's he's still subject to the
psychologies and stuff of of

1007
00:56:49,580 --> 00:56:51,340
human beings.
And back then everybody was

1008
00:56:51,340 --> 00:56:54,980
super superstitious and already
as human beings we already have

1009
00:56:54,980 --> 00:56:57,660
a predisposition to look for
human faces in some of the ways.

1010
00:56:57,740 --> 00:56:59,540
That's why you see them in
clouds and all that.

1011
00:56:59,900 --> 00:57:03,540
So all it would take is is
somebody creating a a convincing

1012
00:57:03,540 --> 00:57:09,140
description of it and people
minds will actively search to.

1013
00:57:09,180 --> 00:57:11,730
Find.
That thing, even when there's

1014
00:57:11,730 --> 00:57:14,250
even in nothing like you could
be looking at the darkness and

1015
00:57:14,250 --> 00:57:17,650
your mind will actively look for
that, especially if you believe

1016
00:57:17,650 --> 00:57:20,810
that heavily in those things and
back in that day they they

1017
00:57:20,810 --> 00:57:24,530
certainly would have.
So we're looking at potentially

1018
00:57:24,530 --> 00:57:27,130
just people being told of a
convincing description.

1019
00:57:27,130 --> 00:57:30,130
There's superstitions coming
into play, and we're talking

1020
00:57:30,130 --> 00:57:31,770
about mountain men.
There really aren't too many

1021
00:57:31,770 --> 00:57:33,810
more people more superstitious
than mountain man.

1022
00:57:34,450 --> 00:57:36,690
True.
I mean they have their own sets

1023
00:57:36,690 --> 00:57:38,770
of crypt.
It's literally the lumber

1024
00:57:38,770 --> 00:57:40,930
industry.
Have the Jackalope, the Hoop

1025
00:57:40,930 --> 00:57:44,930
Snake, the jeez, I'm going to
forget the the other ones.

1026
00:57:44,930 --> 00:57:46,250
But anyways, the Jackalope and
the hoops.

1027
00:57:46,530 --> 00:57:49,250
There you go.
I still think if it was actually

1028
00:57:49,250 --> 00:57:51,290
there, it was demons.
I don't know.

1029
00:57:51,410 --> 00:57:54,690
I don't know.
We're going to get into, I want

1030
00:57:54,690 --> 00:57:57,810
to say just after the modern
sightings, that's where we're

1031
00:57:57,810 --> 00:57:59,730
going to start off on Part 2 is
modern sightings.

1032
00:57:59,730 --> 00:58:01,930
And then we're going to jump
into something that's very

1033
00:58:01,930 --> 00:58:05,050
interesting when we talk about
the cultures and everything.

1034
00:58:06,210 --> 00:58:09,570
All coming together into the
Ozarks roughly around the same

1035
00:58:09,570 --> 00:58:12,810
time, and little bit from this
culture and a little bit from

1036
00:58:12,810 --> 00:58:16,730
that culture and how it all
combined into what we now know

1037
00:58:16,730 --> 00:58:20,170
as the Ozark howler.
It's very interesting, very

1038
00:58:20,170 --> 00:58:23,010
interesting stuff.
Anybody else have anything to

1039
00:58:23,010 --> 00:58:24,530
say before we sign off on this
episode?

1040
00:58:25,250 --> 00:58:27,970
No, Sir.
All right, all right.

1041
00:58:27,970 --> 00:58:31,290
That's been another episode of
the Infinite Rabbit Hole podcast

1042
00:58:32,090 --> 00:58:36,820
signing off.
Jake, CJ, Lauren and myself have

1043
00:58:36,820 --> 00:58:42,100
a good one everybody.
Bye bye, CJ, both have to say.

1044
00:58:42,300 --> 00:58:45,060
It Bye oh.
Lauren, there it is.

1045
00:58:50,740 --> 00:58:53,460
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1064
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1066
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