212. Indrid Cold, Frogman Festival, & The Alien-Hotdog Connection w/ Asherz

0:03 Imagine that this line represents a time present 1985 prior to this point in time to this 1985, alternate to you near Einstein. Welcome back to the Infinite Rabbit Hole. I'm your host Jeremy.

0:43 Today we have a special guest again for like the 6th week in a row. It's, it's, this is the norm. This is the new thing, everybody. You guys are going to see a new face every single time. We have now replaced Jeff with with much more hair. There's a lot more hair in Jeff's place now. And it's red. It is red, yes, but before we introduce the new red. Hair. Jeff replacement Jake, how you doing buddy? Yeah, doing OK. We had Whitney's birthday this weekend, so she's a big old 35. She's an old.

1:28 Man birthday, Whitney. Yeah, she's super old. That's not old. She's gonna come down here and beat me. Good, I hope she doesn't care. Yeah, I'm only 33. Like she's pretty old, finishing up my big old syrup evaporator, so hopefully I won't miss the entire sugaring season. I started that project way too late. Whitney bought a bunch of bees, so I had to set up a bee box today. So when they show up here in about a month, I'll be able to put them in there because we don't really have any bees here. So none of our fruit trees got pollinated, like at all. We got 1 plum out of nine trees and it was like, oh good, So we're doing the whole bee thing so that should be fun.

2:11 And yeah, nothing much. Bunch of chores to do tomorrow so. Nice, I got to move couches tomorrow. I get new couches tomorrow. So yeah, we're crazy. We have a we have a 2 year old so we're going to buy new couches. It's genius yeah we're we're not crazy but anyways. But besides that, nobody's here for that. Our guest some some may say that she's the reason why this podcast even took off in the 1st place. She's one of the. 1st. Some would say that, some would say, some would say that she is the reason why our injured cold special did anything at all. Some would say that if it wasn't for her, Jake and I would be done podcasting and we would just. Wouldn't that be nice?

3:08 Some would say. Some would say that we would be nobodies, or maybe, maybe some people would say that we still are, but maybe we would just be less than right. Possibly. Yeah. I, I am, I am proud and happy and excited to bring to you everybody the host of the on Wednesdays We Talk Weird podcast, Miss Asher's AKA Ashley Hilt, AKA author Ashley Hilt. AKA red haired Jeff. Look AKA the red haired long haired Jeff. I was gonna.

3:49 Try to change my name, but it wouldn't let me but but but thank you for that introduction. If it makes you feel any better at all, I'm also nobody. So there's you know, frankly, I've kind of learned that in the paranormal. There's there's just only so far you can go so. It does. It does seem that way, huh? It it, it is that way, I promise. Keep your day jobs. Don't tell. Me what to do? But fair, fair. But yes, thank you. Thank you for having me out back on again. I remember I ended up being in a group chat with a bunch of other nobodies and just a bunch of other people and I think they forgot I was in the group chat and they were actually, they were talking about like, Oh my God, did you have you guys heard of infinite rabbit hole?

4:42 Did you see that They had Astros on for 10 hours talking about injured Colt and they were like, they thought that you guys were like the luckiest people in the world. So oh. Wow. I have a great time. Little does everyone know that I kind of forced her to do that. I didn't tell her. She had no idea it was going to last that long, but it did. We got to. Chat for 12 hours straight. It was crazy. Drunk chimed in from YouTube. Is this your first episode? Y'all showed face? It is not. This is This must be the first episode that you're seeing live. We're actually recording this live right now. Drunk, just so you know. And he also said she has red hair, so I'm going to automatically believe everything she says.

5:30 That's fair. Yeah, absolutely fair. But but yeah, no, for a little while there we did pair up and we we partnered and and we did Monster Radio for a little while. That was fun. What happened? There I just I got very busy and you know, the way I was kind of managing it was a lot of people right there. There was a myriad of Co hosts and it's just I think that some people didn't play ball and I'm very nice and instead of just firing them and moving on to the next thing, I just, well, I started writing a book and doing other stuff. So she did.

6:16 Yeah, I did. I did. It doesn't mean that it won't come back. It doesn't mean that I didn't like having you on specifically. You were definitely there to play ball, but I think that if I want to do that, if I want to rekindle that in the future, I need to rethink how I want to do it, being such a nice person and all. Yeah, well, it was a fun experience and if you ever do want to help doing it again, I'm there for you for sure. It was a blast. If anybody's interested in hearing Asher's and myself team up for project, that's on the on the on Wednesdays, we talked, we were RSS feed, right? It is. Yep, it is. We did the the Phantom Black Dogs. Yep, I think we think there was one other one too, didn't we? Didn't we?

7:04 Take I feel like we did another one and I'm I am having a very hard time. Remembering yeah, I am too. Lizard man. No, it wasn't lizard man. It might have been, it might have been, I don't remember. I guess you're just going to have to go check it out. You're just gonna go have to listen to all like this. I have like 300 episodes in total. You're gonna listen to every single one. Find out which ones they are. See how simple that was? Just gonna have to go do it anyways. So Jake, you got any questions before we dive into this for here? No, but she's absolutely right. I googled paranormal researcher one time and it literally said by definition a bunch of nerds, dorks and simps and nobodies that go into dark places and scare each other and report it.

7:56 So yeah, I mean it makes sense. She's like, well, goodbye then it. Is what it is. You know this is the reality of it. I love this show. Well, you got to have her say the whole thing about the the aliens and the wieners. Oh, no, yeah. Before we jump into the book, we got to talk about Frogman Festival. How was that? That was last weekend. It was. It was fantastic. It always is. I've been. I'm seeing the Frogman Festival since it started. We'll continue to do so as long as cartographer Jeff Craig, an event organizer, will have me. It really is great.

8:42 So the first year that we did it, Jeff had Meta Zoo come, and Meta Zoo was the cryptic trading card game. That's so cool. And they did a $50,000 tournament. So it was a huge turn out right. It was a lot of people, while we went on to go do the second year and Meta Zoo wasn't going to be there, so we didn't really know what it was going to be like. We're like, well, surely it's not going to be nearly as many people. But we were proven wrong. People showed up, you know, probably about, oh, 1500 people or so showed up. Wow, it went well. So this year being the third year, Jeff said, hey, I think we can make this and a weekend event. So so we did.

9:28 So it was both days, Saturday and Sunday, both days it went awesome. It went great. And you know, people there are so lively and I really like it because it's only like 40 minutes away from my house. So everybody there is to me a local, not everybody, people show up from Canada, from as far away as Canada to, to attend Prague Man Festival, you know, but it, it's nice to put some names to some faces. Again, especially people that I can kind of get into. What I really like about it is that normally I'm the transplant, right? So I go to a different state. I'm going to go give a lecture on something and people tell me their stories and they tell me their stories and I'm, you know, six hours away from home.

10:12 And it's unfortunate because I don't really have the resources to thoroughly investigate what it is they're talking about. Whereas with this, I, I do, I do have the resources 'cause they're right in my backyard and I can go to their properties or I can have a sit down conversation with them. So that's really cool. But yeah, it was, it was great fun. Brought the book. It was the book's official debut. It sold out on the first day before I even gave my talk so. I That's so cool. Can't complain. So I, I, I can't believe Asher's we did the Loveland Frogman. Together. Oh my God.

10:52 We did the Phantom Black Dog and the Loveland Frogman we're. Like, what is it? Well, he goes. You're right, that is. The How great is that? Speaking of Metazoo, geez, it was probably like a year and a half ago. I had a friend, a fan message me on Facebook and they're like, hey, have you ever heard of Metazoo? And I was like, no. And they're like, let me send you some of these. And they sent me some cards. Oh, yeah, yeah. So these are these are Metazoo cards there? You go. And so if you're a fan of like cryptids and mythology lore and, and, and all of that, this is, you know, and you like things like Magic the Gathering, Pokémon, trading cards, that kind of stuff, this is, this is your game. This is it right here.

11:39 Well, they're these fun now, so they did go out of business. Did they really? Oh no, they. Really. Did they? Actually? The owner was a real piece of shit. I got drunk with them one time. For real on an Airbnb during Crypticon. Yeah, for real. And terrible person. He brought a bunch of people with them. They're all terrible people. So, but anyway, I don't know exactly what happened. I think what happened was like money laundering and documented man. So but that's OK. It was super popular, people loved it. So more people have been creating the product again because there is a demand for it. So I think Camp Cryptid is the newest Cryptid trading card game, so check that out.

12:29 Very similar to meta zoo. I don't know if the rules and stuff are similar, but I don't know how that works. Why? It's card game, it's cards, you play with cards. How different can it be, you know? I don't know, I have no idea. No idea. But I'll, I'll have to. Maybe, maybe I should take better care of these then maybe they'll be worth something one day. I got that like a little little chibby moth man. Yeah, look at them. What are the moth man's is worth like a lot of money? I saw that he's like worth a couple $100. It was like 11,000 at one point. So what? No. Yes. Let's look this up. Metazoo. Yeah, Moth man's.

13:12 I had a first edition from their Kickstarter when they started like an open pack that I got from a friend and I ended up selling it for like 300 bucks. Jeez. Yeah, I could have gotten more at some point, but. Oh yeah? Well, I got one right here. 777 dollars. Geez, that's cool. My chibi Mothman's worthless. Hey. He's worth nothing. Well, maybe. Well. I mean, what's he? What's it worth to you? That's what matters, right? It's worth whatever this penny sleeve is worth. No, it's it's worth more than that because I got it from from a from a listener. I've, I think that listener.

13:56 Thank you, Listener. Yeah. Cool. We got a question from Skeeter, the common king. He asked his Asher's coming to UFO days. I have not talked to her about that, but she is more than welcome to come and present. I'll leave that ball in her court. I don't know. What UFO days is? You don't know what UFO days is that is that is the that is the festival here about what is it about 15 minutes away from us, Jake? Yeah. It's at in this little town called Elmwood, Wisconsin. And it's all based around this series of UFO events that happened back in the, the 60s and 70s in, in Elmwood.

14:43 And this, it, it really revolves around this one particular event. There's three really big events and then multiple, multiple, I mean hundreds of smaller events, but three bigger ones. And then one really big one where an officer had come in contact or he he went to go investigate what he believed to be a fire of on top of a quarry, went up on top of the hill, discovered that this UFO was hovering over the quarry or just beyond the quarry. And a blue light had shined off of the off of the craft. And he was found knocked unconscious and died 10 months later from radiation poisoning and all kinds of, you know, crazy health issues, ultimately from a heart attack from a gentleman who never had any, any cardiovascular issues whatsoever in his life. I'm actually in the middle of writing a book on it right now. Yeah, I, I'm, I'm, I'm doing the planning for all of the, the presenters and everything.

15:55 So if if you're interested you're in, go ahead. You run UFO days. No, no, no, no. That is the the president of UFO Days is a is a an amazing woman. Her name's Amy. She's phenomenal. But she this year she put me in charge of setting up the presenters we presented last year. I presented the story of Elmwood to Elmwood, and it went so well that she asked me to do the whole lineup this year. So yeah, very cool. Yeah. What is it? Last full weekend in July, but.

16:38 Maybe let me let me figure that out. My Co host is in Wisconsin, you know. Oh really? Where? He's in some small town. Oh I know who your Co host is, never mind. Dude, he's on TV. Yeah, I know who your Co host is huh Tobias? Tobias. Waylon. Yeah. I'd be I'd be surprised if he doesn't know about UFO days. He. Probably. He probably does. He probably does, yeah. If you guys, I mean, if you guys want to, if you guys want to present, you're more than welcome to for sure. Crash, he'll come crash the party. Absolutely.

17:19 More than one present whatever you want for sure. Present Andrew Cold. That's what I've been doing. That's that's my circuit right now anyway. Do you want to talk about hot dogs? You. Want me to bring that up? Yeah, we might as well talk about the hot dogs. We can talk about this. OK. Yeah, unless people want to listen to Plan UFO days, I guess, you know. No, no, no, no, no. Come on, we'll talk hot dogs. Everyone, everyone. Trust me, they all want to hear about the hot. Dogs, They want to hear about the hot dogs. So you know, one of the things that I kind of grabbed onto when I give my presentations about stuff I hate to hate, I do not like to use a PowerPoint. So normally that's what you'll see at these events, right? You'll see somebody with a big old PowerPoint presentation. That's what they follow and you know you're watching it and you'll listen to them.

18:07 I don't do that. I just sit down and I tell them right at the beginning, we're just having a conversation, right? It's just me talking to you about something really cool and really weird. So, and I also like to be funny. I think I'm funny, right? So I try to be funny. People laugh. I don't know if it's out of because they feel bad or what, but they do. They're laughing. They're not laughing laughing at you. They're laughing next to you. Next to me, right? So yeah, anyway. So Jake up there with you because he'll make sure they're laughing at you. That's, well, that's you're probably right. Yeah, or booing you. He'll. Probably just flap through the room. So, you know, I kind of grab onto something.

18:47 It just depends on what it is. I'm really good on my feet. The first time I talked about injured cold, I had a bit accusing different people in the audience of being injured cold. They like that. This time around, hot dogs became a thing. And actually there's a little bit more to the story so that I didn't share, so I'll share the whole thing. So we had kind of talked about how, you know, injured would come with this family, you know, to the Derrenberger home and they would have like big family picnics and whatnot. And you know, Tanya mentioned a lot. Tanya repeated the same stories a lot. So anything you, you know, you guys had her on your show. I had her on myself. Talk to her a bunch. It's all the same story as you can get. And beyond Lenny Lowe's like almost repeated verbatim, like it's the same stuff.

19:32 So one thing she talked about was how they were like, not they were like fascinated by the hot dogs. They were like really thrown off by him because they don't have processed foods on landulos. And so I don't remember how hot dogs got thrown into the the joke of things for a while, but but it did. And and at one point in time during my talk, so at the venue that we were at, they served food, they served hot dogs. And I was the last speaker of the day, and they cut in to announce that they were doing a special $1.00 hot dog. So it was, it was funny. They all had a good laugh. They're like, Oh my God, hot dogs, this is over, let's go get hot dogs. Anyway, so after my talk, somebody comes up to me and they wanted to talk about hot dogs. And they were talking about this connection between UFOs and hot dogs.

20:21 And I'm just like, OK, you know, whatever. This is silly. But no, they, they, they had really good arguments. So they were talking about how there was like 1 UFO abduction case where the guy was driving down the road and he was driving like a food truck, like a hot dog food truck. And one of the things that ended up missing at the end of, of his situation were his hot dogs, you know, then he went on to say, well, it's not just like about hot dogs, right? It's not like they, they just love hot dogs. It's that there's something about nitrates and UFOs. So then they mentioned the Betty and Barney Hill case and they were saying that the, you know, and Betty and Barney Hill's trunk of their car, they had fertilizer and the fertilizer ended up being missing.

21:08 And, and I that one I definitely Fact Check. I'm familiar with Betty, Barney and Barney Hill. That one works. True. I don't know about the hot dog truck guy, but it was super interesting. So now I'm like, I'm I'm interested to see what the connection is there. I don't, I don't know for sure, but I mentioned this and Jeremy, you got very excited. About I did I yeah, so not I yeah, I did OK. I did not so I during my research because I'm, I'm working on a new project right now, which is another podcast. And it's, it's, it's a documentary podcast. So it's, it's, there's no talk show aspect to it whatsoever. And it's, it's going to be a really, really nice blend between all this weird stuff and science and physics and chemistry and, and everything.

22:13 And I got to really dive into a subject that has been brought up on this show quite a bit, specifically by Jake. And the, the, the question that Jake poses quite a bit is, you know, if, if they are, if UFOs are extraterrestrial or, you know, non human at all, why do they have exterior lights? Why do they follow FAA regulations? Why do they have a human concept to them whatsoever? It was just a good question. Why, why is that? And it's, it's something that's always kind of stuck in my mind. It's very, you know, very exciting And it kind of leans into well, UFOs could potentially just be human, right? It if it looks like human, it smells like human, tastes like human.

23:08 It's. Probably human. It's probably human, right? So I read something today while doing my research and I was like, hmm, that is a very interesting view on this. And all I'll say is that it ties in the exterior lighting of UAP with the concept of nuclear fusion. And when you said that about nitrites or nitrates going missing, I had to do a quick Google search on if there was any connection between nitrites and nuclear bombs or, or fusion or any nuclear reaction whatsoever. And there is.

24:00 Back when they were creating the original H bombs, the hydrogen bombs, they used to use nitrites as the trigger mechanism to create fusion, which is the the the reaction that causes the splitting of the atom. So basically think of it like this, right? If you were to take two, I don't know, baseballs and stick them together with a a high-powered spring and pull them apart and let go, what would happen? They would they would slam back together. Well, that's, that's your electron and your neutron, right? And and that, that spring on the inside is the bond that they have together.

24:47 That's their potential energy. That's that's what holds them together. Now think of that on the molecular level. You know, we can pull them apart, but they always come back together. That is their that is their potential energy. So by adding nitrate to that, they were able to create the fusion which split the atom which separated the two, and all that energy that was used to keep them compressed together was now expelled outwards, which when you have enough of these reactions happening at once, resulted in an atomic explosion. Sure. You know, H bombs, atomic bombs now that somehow ties in with exterior lighting on UAP in my research, and there may be somebody who's listening to this right now that knows exactly where my research came from, so they know what what Ave. I'm going down.

25:49 But all I could say is that the first season of the new project is going to be very mind bending and exciting. So that I don't know that that just added a whole another layer to things. So, so that now we just have alien beings out there stealing hot dogs and and fertilizer from from people. And the the whole Betty Barney Hill story was really just to steal shit out of their trunk. It's just it's wild. Yeah, it's crazy. Love it. Yeah, well, I mean, if you've read the book at all then you know that probably then these were just humanoids, right? The the little sticky fingered counterparts to all the other aliens, I guess, that love to steal shit. Oh, I'm sorry.

26:39 I don't know if I could say shit. Yeah, you're fine. You're fine. So my solution was to say it twice, right? Just for it to cancel each other out, yeah. That's how it works. Anyway, very cool, very exciting. Wow. Yeah, Yeah, it is. It is. Man, I really want to. I can't wait. Anyways, let's talk about the book. Sure, Let's talk about the book. So this is the first time I really got a chance to talk to you, talk to you about injured cold since Tanya's passing. You know, which is sad. That's that sucks. I did get to read your book.

27:20 I can't say that I I was able to spend a ton of time on it, but I did get to read through it and there there's a few things in here that I did get the pleasure of of going over with her, which was nice to see that it's finally in print. Very, very, very happy to see that. That's that's amazing. Specifically demo Hassan, the picture of demo. That's that's awesome. What was the other one? There was there was one more and I was like, oh man, that's so cool that she that she got that in there. Hold on.

28:00 I want to say it was in chapter 2 drawn a blank here. I just had it just just thought about it should have wrote it down. Anyways, let's let's let's talk about when was the decision made that you wanted to write this book. I mean, definitely solidified after Tanya died, but I didn't really know what to write about, you know what I mean? I guess I could talk about interviewing Tanya, right? I mean, but but, you know, me and Tanya talked a lot. They became good friends, you know, not just having this, you know, relationship where she's, you know, a contactee and I'm an investigator.

28:52 We were friends. I was friends with the woman. And, you know, we'd always kind of talked about what's going to happen next when she dies because when I met her, she was in really poor health already. And, you know, it was inevitable, right? Everybody dies. And, you know, I knew that she had a strange relationship with her kids. And, you know, she said her kids didn't really want anything to do with Indra. That was kind of her, it seemed to kind of be her excuse, I guess as to why they weren't publicly speaking out about it is that they just were afraid or whatever, you know, didn't want anything to do with them. Fine. So what happens when you die, Tanya?

29:33 Does Indra just stop visiting? Does he have a reason to visit anymore? Do we, do you pass the reins on to someone else? And you know what? On a personal level, I guess I had kind of always hoped that I, I would be that person. That's why I befriended her in the 1st place, right, Was to meet Indra Cold. If he's real, surely I can meet him. And you know, but we would kind of talk about it and I'd tell her, look, when you die, your story dies with you. Unless Indra does start visiting somebody else, it dies with you and there's, there's nothing else to talk about. So then that would kind of convert to, you know, oh, no, I'll talk to Andrew. I don't, you know, we'll we'll get you guys together. You'll you'll sit down, you can talk and then whatever Andrew wants to talk, wants the world to know. That's what you can put out there. And I'm like, yeah, great, wonderful, you know, but it never happened.

30:26 So she ends up, you know, she ends up dying. You know, I really and and and you can tell reading the book, I don't think it's quite the book a lot of people expected. It's not me writing and going, Oh yeah, this all definitely happens. You know, I, I certainly approach it with skepticism. I always have. And I don't shy away from that in the book itself, especially with Tanya's stories and Tanya's details, because I ended up reading, of course I read, I had read both books. But in order to write that one, man, I read them back-to-back. And there's so much that's inconsistent, you know, and it just solidified kind of what my theory was on, on Tanya's deal and what was going on there. But towards the end of her death, she ended up having a a pretty lengthy hospital stay and she hadn't died yet, but she was definitely on her way out.

31:19 And I think she some people might remember she had like a YouTube channel or was on a YouTube channel for a while. I think it was Godspeed Ministries or something like that. And she was like making videos from a hospital bed, you know, at that point in time, she was dying. And I talked to one of her kids and it was what one of her kids said, which it kind of made me change my mind. So at that point in time, I just thought Tanya's lying. She's making it up for whatever reason. Maybe she genuinely believes in this stuff, but she's making up her part in the story. Didn't know if Woody had made it up or not. Didn't matter for Tanya, didn't think injured was visiting her.

32:00 And when I talked to one of her kids about it and the and her kid didn't deny Indrid, it was very telling to me, especially considering the context of the conversation that we had. So, you know, that happened and that kind of changed my perspective a little bit, but I never really got to touch base with Tanya again in that regard to injured. We talked a lot about death. We talked a lot about I had actually just prior to that I had a near death experience myself. So I knew exactly what, you know, what she was feeling and but we didn't talk about injured anymore. And then she dies and then I'm like, oh God, now what? Well, Tanya had been working on a second injured cold book. She had sent me the parts of it that she had written. She didn't want to publish it under her previous publisher. She wanted to do it on her own.

32:52 I was helping her with that process, but there really wasn't anything new in that book that could really be added to the story. And it's not in this book either. I didn't include it. You know, at the end of the day, I sent it to her kids and I said, hey, this is yours. Do with it what you want and let it be that. But then I had my own strange set of circumstances happened after she had died. And this is. This is what I wanted to talk about. Sorry. Go ahead. Yes. And, and we're going to, you know, and, and it was that set of circumstances that that really, you know, led me into throwing myself into a full blown investigation with the topic. And of course, which has led me to writing the book, the book itself.

33:39 It's part of the investigation. So I'm hoping this is Part 1. So, but let me tell you what her, what her, what her kids said to me, OK, because this is so important, I think, for people to hear because that's a crazy story. And, you know, we talked about it for 10 hours. It sounds made-up. It does. And but there's all kinds of like little things like like like Woody and his wife getting divorced and the wife going. It's not because injured isn't real. He is real. It's because I can't stand the the drama. I can't stand him disappearing for weeks at a time to go to another planet. You know, you have the psychologist report who said, yeah, he's cleared and he's good. Also injured. Talk to me telepathically.

34:20 You know, there were different things about the story that added up to that point, but it's so bizarre. It's like, there's no way. So of course, I've always not believed it. And initially we actually struggled with tying Tanya to Woodrow because if you look at Woody's obituary, Tanya's not listed on there as his, his daughter and she's not. And so we did a little digging. And then if you look at other things like and visitors from Lanulos and you compare it to like genuine ancestry records that his wife's name is different, his son's name is different. Tanya's name is not different.

35:02 But that didn't necessarily mean that she was related to him. She could have been a crazy person that just took on this personality and we all just believed it because he's not around to say otherwise. But it turns out actually it was legitimate. I'm not. OK, good. Wow, it was, I was good to say hold. It was like an Asher's drop bombs. Over here, this was the book. You know, it turns out Tonya was adopted. So Woodrow Danberg wasn't her biological dad. But that's important. And, you know, I'll, I'll get into to why I think it is so. I don't know why his wife's name was changed. I don't know why his son's name was changed. I think his son may have changed his name later in life and to avoid all this.

35:44 That's fine. The wife, I don't know. Maybe it's because she was an adult at the time. I don't know. Anyway, but she was she was adopted by him. It was her dad. So she's very sick. One of her kids reaches out to me and they go, yeah, hey, my mom's fine. She's. She's in hostas right now, but she's going to get out, right? She's OK. She's going to use this to ask for money. She has always done this her entire life. When she gets out of the hospital, she's going to tell everybody that she can't pay her rent, that she can't buy food, that she needs basic hygiene products. And she is going to probably start a GoFundMe. She's going to make people feel badly for her again.

36:26 I don't they said I don't talk to her anymore. And there's many reasons behind it. She was an accomplice to our abuse as kids. And I mean, she just this person had nothing nice to say about their own mother. And so I thought, here it is perfect. They're going to tell me that the whole injured thing is a ruse, right? It's all fake. It's all made-up for money, which is what we all kind of maybe suspected for a long time, right? Let's be real. And you know, then they asked me, well, how do you know my mom? Because you're, you know, their, their mom is a 60 something year old woman in West Virginia and I'm a 30 year old redhead in Ohio.

37:06 We're very different people. And I tell them I'm like, oh, because of the entrance stuff. And they just go, oh, yeah, yeah, I know. Injured. Leave it at that. Say it says nothing more about it. Goes back into trauma dumping all over me about their terrible childhood and how awful their mom is. And, you know, I didn't want to push anything. And I said that to them. I said, we're going to have to talk about this another do. You don't have to talk about it another day. But I'd like to talk to you about this some other time about about Android. And then we just kind of started talking about bad parents because I'm same, right? So, you know, we went that route.

37:49 It was, it was very odd. It was it was a very strange thing to confirm because none of her kids have ever come forward and talked about this publicly. And I've tried, you know, since then. It was that same kid who reached out to me that let me know that Tanya had passed but didn't talk. We haven't talked since then. And it's not like I haven't tried to reach out to them. I have. So it kind of took a little longer than I wanted to for the book to come out because I I didn't want to steal their story. You know, I wanted to give them a chance to jump in and, you know, share their piece and it just never happened. So anyway, that was really interesting. And that has kind of been the theme the whole time for the injured cold stuff, is that every single time I am so sure that this is bullshit, something like that happens.

38:40 So yeah, So, so there. There's that part of it. I'll let someone else talk for a minute. Jake, you got anything? I mean, I mean, when I was asking Tanya stuff about her story and everything, I think at one point she had mentioned something about you had to be sanitized or whatever to go and visit Lanulose because of the bacteria. And I was like, well, wouldn't that have been the same thing? If injured was not walking around in some sort of a suit, he would be infected by our bacteria and stuff, 'cause it's different.

39:24 She's like, Oh no, they had immunities or something like that. And I was like, OK, And then I just kind of let it go. And I'm just like, this lady's full of crap. I'm just like, like, OK, well, now that's not to say, you know, I can't, you know, if my, my dad has gone to Hawaii and I haven't, if someone was questioning me about his Hawaii experience, there'd be a lot of stuff I wouldn't know, right, Because I wasn't there. So, I mean, I guess there's that. But yeah, I mean, I've, I've always felt that this story was just a really cool story and nothing more, nothing less, right? But it's interesting that you know you, I would imagine. That if the kids have such a seething review of their own mother that the second you say something about injured cold, they'd be like, oh, yeah, that bunch of shit, you know, you know, not be like, oh, yeah, OK.

40:24 You know, So it's just, that's an interesting reaction. Hopefully at some point, hopefully in the near future, we could get more of, you know, and that's I guess would be based off of you and your interactions with them because you're the one that's doing this. But they're coming out and saying like, yes, it was, it's real or no, it's not or, you know, whatever it is versus just kind of passively being like, Oh yeah, that OK, Well, it's just like, cause 'cause that would be interesting. You know, that would definitely solidify for me that there's something there more so than where I'm sitting right now, where I'm just like, yeah, I mean, cool lady, really interesting tale, but that's it, you know? No.

41:11 And I, I feel that entirely. I mean, yes, I'm a Fortian investigator. Yes, I've had very weird stuff happen to me. It doesn't mean that I believe everything that comes across my desk. I certainly don't. If anybody here listens to my show, they know that most of the time we're going to tell you why it's bullshit. And again, this is just one of those things that, you know, as soon as I'm sure of it, something happens. And I'm like, what is the deal? I do hope that the the kids do come forward and, you know, share their peace or injured himself comes forward and says, OK, what? This is what you wanted. I'm here now again, Andrew. We're all nobodies. You're not at risk here. I promise to reveal yourself to any of us. Shoot, he could show up right now behind me and I wouldn't even believe he existed.

41:58 So I mean, I'd be like Nope, sorry, aliens aren't real. Bye. You know, but. Yeah, it it is. It was a really interesting wrench to throw in the whole thing. I I still don't know what to make of it. I've got a few things that I found interesting. Let's let's let's take a step back really quick because I want to talk about some of the issues that her kids are talking about because of I've also seen a couple of them too.

42:41 The the asking for money thing. I saw that a lot I end up buying. Exactly what happened? Yeah, I ended up buying five additional books from her one time and I never got them. But yeah, you know, she, she reached out. You know, I'm not, I'm not going to read what she said, but I still have the chat. I, I, if, if you find Tonya Darenberger on Facebook, she's actually wearing an Infinite Rabbit Hole shirt, Jake and I actually sent that to her and, and I'll, I'll, I'll read just one line of a message that she sent to me.

43:28 And it kind of hurt because not only did we help spread her GoFundMe that she had, we, we donated $100 to it. I bought five additional books from her that I was going to give away to listeners, you know, as a, as a giveaway that I never got. But then she talks. She sends me a message saying that she's asking if I can donate more Infinite Rabbit Hole shirts and that she loves the one that she bought. She wears a 3X and that she would like to have multiple colors but she doesn't have the money to buy them so she was wondering if I could donate them and that she. She assures me that she did purchase the first one off of our website.

44:29 Well, we didn't have a website at the time and I personally went on to a website that we have not made public at. Well, we did have a website, we just hadn't made it public yet. We were going through whatever the first website was, Jake, not Red Bubble. We went through a. Yeah. Whatever, whatever, but we hadn't made it public yet and it was literally one of the first purchases ever made from our very first T-shirt website. Was her T-shirt from the Infinite Rabbit Hole debit card and sent to her and, you know, she tried to convince me that she bought a T-shirt and, you know, I was kind of bummed out about that, but, you know, and, and it was like every day she was sending me new things about, you know, hey, I'm, I'm, I, I came home after surgery and my house was robbed and, and I was like, man, you know, like, I'd love to help you, but you know, this is, this is becoming a lot. I don't make money off of this podcast, you know, so, you know, it was unfortunate that, you know, I, I, I did, I did get to see, I did get to see a really good side of her at times, really, really good informative side of her at times. And that's, that's what I like

46:01 to remember about her. I like the, you know, anybody who's ever seen the episode that we did with her, that was the Tanya that I really appreciated being able to talk to. And there was a really good portion of time where Asher's put me in contact with her where she was an open book and she was able to answer everything and anything that I had. And she was, she was super, super open about all of it. Very, very easy to talk to. Yeah, she, you know, initially when I first started talking to her, I, I, I really had to work to gain her trust. She again, she wanted me to help her publish the second book for free.

46:46 And she had like some formatting issues or something with the cover and she wanted me to like, edit it and stuff like that. And, you know, that's all free labor and I was more than happy to do it. But you know, at one point I was not in the state. I was somewhere investigating something somewhere else. And you know, I'm in the middle of nowhere with no cell phone service. And I get back into town finally and I have a myriad of messages where she's like going off like she's mad. And she's like, well, if you're not going to help me, I'll find somebody else to help me. And well, I mean, she got super nasty with me and I still did her cover anyway because I wanted to gain her trust to the 100 cold, you know, but then she she actually she stopped and that kind of was a little surprising to me. She did not ask me for money or anything like that. As a matter of fact, she was a Patreon member one time at one point for the for my podcast.

47:48 But if you look her up on just go on Facebook and type in Tanya Dehrenberger, you'll find posts where she's not just doing Gofundmes and stuff on her page. She's on like Parkersburg local groups asking for food, asking for money, asking for people to pay her bills. She definitely has that that kind of mentality. And I hate to say it, but man, I live in Dayton, OH. I know exactly the type and she was that type. Yeah, yeah, that that's, that was, you know, that was rough. I definitely saw two sides of her. And, you know, I was, I was really bummed out to hear, you know, of her passing.

48:39 But I, I, I want to, I want to dive into the Andrew Cold story because I've, I've also flip-flopped between bullshit and not bullshit for the injured gold story quite a bit. And so shoot, it was in NN or October of this year or last year, 2024, when I did a four part series on the Hollow Earth when I convinced myself that Lanulos may be in the inside of the Earth. And have you ever heard of the abduction story of, oh crap, Carl Higdon?

49:37 I don't think so. Carl Higdon. Give me just a second. Involves an awful lot of probing. Is there hot dogs? There's not. There should be. It would make the story better. Googling it too while we're talking. Hello toe cozies. This is the book that you need right here. OK, if you're, I don't know if you're a book reader, but the alien abduction of the Wyoming Hunter, This is this is the alien. OK, And there are a absolute a ton of parallels between the abduction of Carl Higdon and the story of Intercold. Now there are some differences, right? Carl Higdon was Abdon in a clear cube, but just like how Woody Darenberger was taken off planet but was able to look at a a screen and was able to, you know, watch planets through the screen and watch the earth pass and then approach Lanulos through a screen.

50:55 Carl Higdon was able to basically watch outside of this clear cube, but they both went to these planets that were extremely advanced. The Lanulos had the, the, the way that they transported each other or the, their, their former locomotion were these, these rail systems with carts that zoomed you back and forth. Same thing on the planet where Carl Hadrian was taken. Then then when I was doing my research on Hollow Earth, I came across and I had to bring this up while you were talking because I was like that this is definitely something that we're going to have to talk about here. There was a, you know, I'm just going to read this real quick. The civilizations of these enormous beings were in the form of town similar to those on the surface and the men were in awe at the technology that was being used in the shape of a conveyor of sorts that transported the beings from point A to point B. Side note If you listen to our coverage on the Andrew Cole story you would remember that Indrid was also a part of a race of larger beings from a planet with an intense sun in a conveyor like transportation system. Side Note 2.

52:21 Much of these descriptions are retold in our coverage of the Carl Higdon Abdon as well. The man claimed to have spent almost an entire year with a family of these gigantic beings and was incredibly impressed at the size of their fruit compared to the ones coming on the surface. Now remember the the diet of the Lanulosian's fresh fruit. One particular example he told was that the grapes in the interior lands were as big as the oranges from the surfaces. Another report was made by a man by the name of Olaf Janssen of Norway in a book titled The Smoky God by American writer Willis George Emerson. In his book, Olaf describes how the sun in the interior of the Earth is smaller and duller than the one on the surface. The way he specifically described it was as if it was hidden by a layer of smoke all the time. Jansen as a young adult, and his father took to this journey due to telling of a land of warmth beyond the ice and cold of the Arctic.

53:16 The pair spent two years traveling through the inner Earth and exited in the South polar planet. By the end of the journey, Jansen's father had passed away and Jansen eventually settled in America where he would pass on his story on his deathbed as well as of the maps that he had drawn up throughout his life of the lands he witnessed during the multi year journey. The story also goes on the tell of large human like beings with incredible scientific advances who fly saucers who live 400 to 800 years on average. Side note, this is the lifetime of a Lanulosian from the injured cold story. This is all about civilizations from the inner Earth. So where does that source come from? That source is, bear with me, I don't know which one, but it's one of these, one of those I don't know. Read through them and tell us which one it is. I want to say, OK, it's not definitely not that one, not that, not that it's one of these two. It's either David Standish's Hollow Earth or Doctor Raymond Bernard's The Hollow Earth.

54:42 They are absolutely phenomenal books. This one has an intro by David Hatchett Childress and it, it's, I don't know, it's just, it's, it's absolutely these, these books are incredible. I'm not going to talk about those ones because they're not incredible. But these two, these two are absolutely incredible. So yeah, there's, there's, there's, there's other things too. I'm just not going to take up the entire episode by talking about all that. But just to draw some some parallels for you, if you if you want to do some some side research one day, the Carl Higgins story and Hollow Earth is something that you might want to look into. You know, there's stuff, there's, there's some differences, but not anything that is Major William, not William Joe Simonton, the space pancakes guy. You know that story?

55:43 Space pancakes. Yes, that's Wisconsin. He describes the the the aliens that cooked about the pancakes as very Italian looking, which is also very injured, cold adjacent right? And then the the LAN, the Lanulesians. This is hard to get used to. Tanya called them Lanulosians. What do you call them? Lanulesians. I I've called them Lanulosians. You know, obviously we injured to settle this for us, right? The people of Lanulos, How about that their one of their religious stories is about their discovery of not their discovery, but the gift of telepathy, right.

56:35 So one of their big selling points is that they can speak telepathically with people and you know everybody and that's why they don't really have violence on their planet is because they it's not necessary. There's no miscommunications. There's no I'll intense because they can speak to each other telepathically. But the origin story of that is that Earthlings crash landed on Lanulos, and while they were trying to rebuild their ship with the resources at hand, they were bickering and fighting all the time. And they all went, you know what, fuck it, I'm going to go this way, You go that way. I'm going to take this woman with me, take that woman with you, you know, and they all kind of split up and after some time of them going their separate ways and trying to kind of sit and rebuild life or build life there on the planet, you know, they missed each other a lot.

57:35 And God recognized that and gave them the power of telepathy, thinking that they had learned their lesson and having these disagreements making them able to communicate with each other. But again, the most interesting aspect of that is that Earthlings crash landed on Landulos and they actually started from us, but we're not as cool as they are. Yeah, That, that I, I, I covered that in the, in the series where you were in. That was one of the harder ones to patch together. I know Woody did a good job at talking about it and Tanya didn't discuss it.

58:20 I don't think she talked about it at all in her book. I wish she did. But I see the, the thing that the thing that sucks about other than, you know, the simple fact that, that she's gone, which is sad. But what's, what really sucks about the the loss of Tanya when it comes to the injured cold story is that this feels like this is the end of the line, like you were talking about earlier. And that's, that's where I was really getting to when I, when I was saying, you know, it's, it's really, really cool that you got some of the stuff down on black and white because as you've mentioned in your book, you're not taking the words or you're not retelling Woody's or Tanya's story. You're, you're filling in the blanks. And this is, you know, this is for anybody listening, right? This is what this book is.

59:19 This is, this is Ash. This is Asher's finishing some unfinished work is what this is, this is, this is the details that were not included in Tanya's or, or Woody's books. So highly recommended that if you want the entire story of the injured cold story, you need to grab visitors from Landulos and beyond Landulos from Woody and Tanya, and then grab Asher's book as well because she's going to fill in a lot of the gaps and add additional information that never made it out because.

1:00:05 Tanya's life unfortunately ended. Now I, I am excited to hear, like you said before that there that she was working on another piece and that you pass it on to her children. I hope that her children do do something with that. That would be really cool. But if if I heard you right, you said that there wasn't really anything. New in it? No, not really. You know, it, it just, it's just, you know, she starts to kind of go and and I didn't really include this part in there because remember when Indra died in Tanya's world? Yeah, yeah.

1:00:46 Oh man, Yes I do. And that just kind of muddied the waters a little bit more. You know, she kind of goes into, I mean, I guess I'll just say it more details about like where he was staying, kind of potentially the healing process that he went to. So, you know, she says he did get into like a spaceship accident, but he was found by a mountain Mama. He was found by some woman in Appalachia in Kentucky and went and stayed there. And you know, I think I think a lot of that has to do with Hellyer and kind of the direction that they were going with because remember in Hellier, they allegedly knew where I think they I think we're injured, cold lived at one point and it was in a small town in Kentucky.

1:01:41 And you know, that was no secret, right? That was all you watch it right now. It's free on YouTube. Go check that out. And, you know, then kind of Alan Greenfield kind of got involved with it all. I mean, he had kind of been involved with it all a little bit. Greenfield He's, if you haven't had him on the show yet, get him on the show while you can. Alan Greenfield. Alan Greenfield. Yeah. Oh, oh, you. You don't know about Alan Greenfield. That's a conversation. Hold on, hold on. Let me let me look him up. I might know him. Hold on. He's the. Set the name sounds familiar. Yeah, he's a, he's a character. Oh no, he'll tell you some shit. Yeah, he's. Yeah, he's get him on you.

1:02:24 You won't be allowed to say anything, so don't research anything going into it. Just get him on. Let him go. Oh. Men in men in black, huh? Oh yeah. Yes, Alan Greenfield. Yes, love him. I do. I love talking to him, but he's hard to talk to about like, you know, if I have a question about something specific, it's never just that. It's always 4 hours of everything else and then maybe 15 minutes of that. Really. Yeah. So Alan Greenfield, well, he's the one who took the picture of Dim Hassan at the UFO convention. So anyway, you know, so I don't know. I mean, I'll RIP the Band-Aid off. I don't think Tanya had contact with injured cold after a certain age.

1:03:09 I don't. Yeah. Well, I think that Andrew, it's real. I think that really happened to Woodrow Terenberger. I think that's it affected Tanya a lot, You know, especially knowing I said this, you know, she was adopted. Well, this is the conclusion I come to, but there's but wait, there's more after that and we'll get there. But to wrap it up, I mean, when I wrote the book, when I started sitting down to write it, that's the story I was writing. This didn't happen to Tanya, it happened to Woody, and it affected Tanya in a big way. So again, she was adopted.

1:03:50 She already lost one father, her biological father. We don't know where, who, who or what. You know what the deal is there. And child, early childhood development's a very interesting thing. So she gets adopted by this man who takes on that role. And I think they did have a really loving relationship. But again, she's four years old when this happens. And when this happens, it took her dad away. And I think that that was really damaging for her. The way that she speaks about Indred is the way that you would speak about your dad that you love. She talks about how Indrid's her protector. He's always going to make sure that, you know, nothing bad happens to her. And he's always kind of just barely there when something unfortunate is happening.

1:04:35 And Tanya had a very unfortunate life and there was always something unfortunate happening to her. She talks about Woodrow like, oh, I was the daddy's girl. I think she said on your guys show I was the daddy's girl. And no, she wasn't. Maybe she was initially, but she wasn't. After all this happened, he was never home. They got divorced when she was a teenager and her mom moved them a totally to a totally different state. And then her and Woody didn't seem to have a relationship after that. I, I think that all of that was, was real. I don't know if his family came and they ate hot dogs in the backyard. I don't know if that's true. I feel like it probably wasn't, but that doesn't matter.

1:05:20 You know, I think that Tanya did use this story eventually to cope. And then she learned that she could gain things out of it. And that's what I thought. That's what I was sold on. That's the story. But I don't know, I'm not so sure of that now, so. No, it's, it's, it's, it's a breath of fresh air to hear you say that because it's, you know, being in the community, it's always, you're always hesitant to say things like that, right? Because you never know who you're going to piss off Special, especially in the stupid world that is Facebook freaking groups and, and Twitter and, and Instagram and, you know, and everyone's got their stupid opinions about stupid things. And, and it's, you know, somebody out there or a lot of people out there may be really attached to the Andrew Cold story, especially, you know, I'd, I'd love thank you so much. I this is, this is the thing that I wanted to, to say. This is what I forgot.

1:06:34 Thank you for calling out the stupid smiling man bullshit. That is so stupid. I, I called that out in in my series too. It's so stupid. I don't know where the hell they got that from. Sorry, but it's it's yeah, it it's, it's, it's ridiculous. There's no connection between the grinning man and and and Andrew cold. There is what? Are you getting all worked up over? The the Grinning Man there, there is a paranormal entity known as the Grinning Man. Right? OK, but it's not injured Cold. It's a completely separate entity and it has nothing to do with injured cold. OK. The injured cold isn't watching you sleep. He's not watching, you know, hanging over you. He's not.

1:07:18 The reason why you have He's not watching you sleep, he's watching at your sleep probably. Maybe. Yeah, no. He's just like this. He's like I, I read your introduction. I'm here. I'm here. You gotta kiss her on her forehead and whisper sweet nothing. Tanya said you were looking for me. Sorry. That was, that was, that was terrible. I hope it happens that way. I just hope it happens. I don't care how it happens, I just want that happen. That would, that would be cool. That would be really cool. Could you? Could you like that? Would I? I want it to happen.

1:07:58 Not to freak you out, but I just want it to happen because I want. I want Tanya to prove us all wrong, right? You know what? If it just, if it happened that way, nobody would believe me. Let's go. They will. They wake up because you feel something tickling your toes and it's injured, cold, your bed. That that Bill Murray story that goes around every little bit. He went in, he ate the French fry and and he looked at the person and said, nobody's going to believe you. And he's right. Nobody. Believes that. That's what it's going to be. Oh. Man, that's great. Yeah. But yes, there's a there's a weird smiling entity that that has a creepy grin on its face and people see it and I get tons of reports of people seeing it right, especially being the injured cold person and that's not injured.

1:08:45 It's not injured. Are they saying something? I'm sure. But it's not Andrew Cold. But I, I totally agree with you that the injured cold story is a Woody Derenberger story. I don't, I, I agree that I do not believe, you know, I, I hate to say it out loud because I don't think I've ever said it out loud, you know, because I, I do, I, I respect Tanya, you know, and I, I don't want to be that guy and I'm hesitant to say it, but I don't believe that Tanya ever had a, an adult relationship or a relationship with Andrew Cold in her adult life. You know, she may have had a relationship with, with one of his kids, you know, when, when they brought him over.

1:09:37 But I, I think the only thing that you can really look is Canon is the, the Andrew Cold book. You have to be careful when you get into Tanya's book. You have to be really careful when you get into Great Barker's book, and you have to be careful even when you get into John Keel. And I love John Keel. I absolutely adore John Keel's work. I, I just love his mind. I love everything about John Keel. But even, you know, when you get into the Mothman Prophecies, you got to be careful with some of the information that he had had gotten a hold of because you have to look at his sources. You know, he trusted Greg Barker a lot. And we've learned that Greg Barker wasn't really the best of sources.

1:10:17 You know, after he passed away, it all came out that he he literally had the opinion that a lot of this was bogus. And he had, you know, it was came out from his wife that that he had admitted to her multiple times that he was doing this just because this paid the bills, you know, And and if you look at the books that he wrote, he had all, you know, he had a multitude of new information that nobody else did on all the big subjects. I wonder why, you know, So, yeah, I, I agree, IA 100% agree. Yeah.

1:11:04 Well, and again, as much as I would love to say case closed, that's the end of it. We'll never see injured cold again. Why don't I issue the bombshell of the bug? If you want the proof it's in there, you can go look at it yourself. Don't. Don't. Don't share. Give them something to read. Yeah, I ordered your book just now. If you if you throw in spoilers, I am going to cancel my order right now. Skeeter. Skeeter also answered. Ordered your book too. Yeah, well. Thank you. Yeah, we'll be forced to cancel our orders. I don't even know how to read, but I'm going to.

1:11:45 I'm going to try just for you learn. How to read Just to read my book you should. You should, yeah. No, go ahead if, if, if you want to go ahead you. It's important. It's important. It's all yours, I. Don't want to leave it there so I I gave my first lecture about injured cold in June of last year 2024. What's this year? I don't even know. I think it was last year and you know, it's mostly came to the conclusion of, you know, Tanya's just crazy, right? And this never really happened. But while I'm, you know, gearing up for this talk, even though I don't do a formal presentation, I do like a like a background of like where you can follow me or whatever. And and then I'll do some like notes for myself on my phone that way I have them.

1:12:35 And while I'm doing all that, something strange started happening. So you know, Jeremy kind of knows my podcast went through a lot of changes on Wednesdays. We talk weird. Got our new Co host for the show, Tobias Whelan. Great love him. He's doing awesome on the show. You know, we're we kind of have these meetings every little bit the show definitely went from a little more amateur to a little more professional kind of recently. And we're trying to spit a lot different ideas, right. And and what do the kids love? We want to get a younger demographic attracted to the show. And what do they love? They love TikTok short form content. Me and Tobias are both millennials. He's an elder millennial. I'm I'm on the younger end of the spectrum, but we don't know how to TikTok.

1:13:21 We're not good at that. So which is crazy because everybody says I'd be great at it and they're probably right, but I don't know how y'all. So, you know, we're talking about just throwing some clips up on TikTok of the podcast, getting people to go listen to the actual thing. What, you know, how can we learn how to do this? And I was like, well, I'll download it again. I've had it before, couldn't figure it out. Let me download it again. I'll play with it. So I do, I download it again, log in with my same credentials and I start getting a weird notification. And the notification would say, you know, Tanya Derrenberger's is following you. And I was like, weird. The first time it happened, it was it was just her name.

1:14:03 And I went to the app, I open it up and and it'll tell you all your notifications, you know, right there in order, just like an app. And there was no new notification of anybody named Tanya Damberger following me. And she was already dead at this point, at least by a year, right? And so I closed it, didn't think anything of it, right. TikTok, it's the Chinese app. It's got lots of issues. Apps do that. Oh, I should do that, yeah. All apps have those issues. But then it happened again. And then it started saying, Tanya Darenberger and, you know, nine other people are following you. And I'm like, what is this? And I go to the app and I could see where like, somebody followed me like weeks ago. And I'm like, OK, does Tanya even have TikTok? I go and look, she does have TikTok. Was she following me?

1:14:50 She was following me. As a matter of fact, TikTok will tell you exactly the date that somebody started following you. And she started following me back in February. Actually, it was Valentine's Day that right before she died. So definitely I wasn't active then at the time, it was her Tiktok account. It was, it was definitely hers, but no, no activity on it at all because you know, she died like two months later and you know, but this kept happening again and again and again. And so I go and I give the talk about indred. Even though I didn't get any indred cold leads, I did get a a super interestingly and I actually ended up having a break from story over on the podcast so she could check that out about a guy named Jack Overby who had on his gravestone transcribed in his grave.

1:15:39 Deceased had contacts and conversations with outer space life from the year 1928 until death, which is a whole, like I said, it's a whole rabbit hole and I I didn't really catalogue it in the book. I might do its own book on it, but somebody was like, could that be injured? And I'm like, I don't know. I mean, hell, in 1928, that predates Roswell, that predates modern ufology. Super interesting story. Not injured, cold. The beings he saw were like an ethereal skeleton and a little Green Man that came from space. Anyway, So, you know, kind of got busy with that story a little bit because somebody had approached me and asked if I knew anything about the gravestone. It was on his and his mom's gravestone and I'd never heard of it and nobody had, you know, I thought I'd be able to go home and Google search what these gravestones were and nobody knew the story.

1:16:32 Eventually I found out the story and I just found that out like two months ago. So awesome. Anyway, so I'm also trying to come up with some explanation for this TikTok situation. Meanwhile, I'm also looking into different ways to try to communicate with Injured Cold. If he's again, if he's real, surely I can reach him. I know he speaks telepathically. What can I do? I start doing spirit box sessions. I made an injured cold shrine in my bedroom because if you want to contact certain gods and goddesses, that's what you do.

1:17:13 I'm going to start this hasn't it hasn't happened yet, but I'm going to start doing CE 5 sessions where's. Are you really? I am, yeah. When it gets warmer outside, I sure am to try to contact Indra. I found a medium, a couple who's a husband and wife medium who claims to talk to not ghosts but aliens, and tried to kind of get them involved. I'm like, great, you can help me talk to Indra. They wanted to charge me like $200.00 and I'm not paying that. So it's not happening. But I'm definitely, you know, looking for other ways to try to make contact with this guy, right? And so far, nothing's worked. Doesn't mean nothing will just so far nothing has. And all the while the entered cold notification, I'm sorry, the tiny Derburger notifications continue. And you know, I got to the point to where I was like, OK, I, I started posting them every time that happened on social media and people were like, oh, it's just a bot account. It's just created a new Tanya Darenberger account. It was none of those things.

1:18:16 It, it just wasn't. There was no indication that it was. And so eventually I get the bright idea to message the account myself. And I, and I said hello and it didn't send the message, didn't send on TikTok. And that was weird. Maybe about a month later, I don't have, I don't have it in front of me. Sometime later, I get the notification again. I send another hello and it didn't go through. And at this point, I was getting like multiple notifications a week. And I would sit and I would, you know, catalog what it was I was doing at that time. Was there something significant to what I was doing compared to when I was getting these messages? I'd found no correlation.

1:18:58 But one time it popped up and I messaged it again and I said hello and the message sent and I said indrid question mark and it's sense but indrid code left me on red and never responded. That's a piece of crap. It really hurt my feelings, but the true story it it's the I've got the screenshot of it in the book. We'll go look at it. That actually happened and the notifications have stopped ever since then. So and I know that sounds so stupid, right? It's TikTok woman.

1:19:39 This isn't proof of anything. I guess so. But before this point, every time I did a show about injured cold, we wouldn't be able to get through it. We'd have to reschedule for another day. We'd have connection issues. Electrical issues are things that tend to happen in high strangeness especially, and things surrounding those Ohio River Valley High strangeness events. Oh yeah, Different things I was telling my daughter about at one time, and she was, she plays this game, it's called Slime Rancher. And she was on the Wikipedia page, and while we're talking about Android, all of a sudden the whole Wikipedia page crashes. And it's like, again, none of this would matter on its own, but it's the fact that it would happen every single time that was.

1:20:22 Fucking weird. And so, you know, here I am now in the next logical stuff that I had, you know, I wanted to try to investigate a little bit more because the book, you know, I'll be honest with you, I'm self-conscious about its size. I wanted it to be big and thick and dumb. You know, there's nothing else to add right now. And I needed to get it out there because I, I need everybody's help to, to try to maybe come up with some more ideas. Maybe we can all do a session together, We can all do CE5 together while we sit and meditate and try to make contact with injured. I don't know. I'm here for it, man. Whatever it is, it sounds nuts, but you know, if I'm going to go off the deep end, I'm, I'm diving in head first. Let's do it.

1:21:07 Well, like, like I said, it's a, it's definitely an accent piece, right? It's I, I don't think you have anything to worry about. You know, anybody who knows the injured cold story knows the value of the information that's in it. It's, it's good stuff, right? It's, it's a very valuable additional information. And I, I like the way that you approach it, right? You clearly say that you're not here to, to RIP off Woody or, or Tanya, right? You're here to add to their story because neither of them are here to do it right, Which is, which is great. That's, that's the way it should be done, especially in somebody in your position, right.

1:21:52 You had that, that personal connection with Tanya. And you know, I applaud you for that. You know, at, at some, some point, you know, I, I will be doing a book of, of all my favorite subjects. And you know, I'm going to touch on Android as well. I probably will, you know, visit it from, you know, some I'll probably tell the story, you know, and tell my experiences with with Tanya. But you have a lot of stuff that nobody else will ever have, right. You had in person stuff. And that's what's in this book that that's that's the stuff that makes this book valuable.

1:22:35 So I don't think you have anything to worry about. I I had fun reading the book. And, you know, at the end of the day, I mean, that's what it is, yeah. I could pad it with a bunch of bullshit. I could talk about He Who Shall not be Named, who is not named in the book and all that more that's added into it. But I didn't want to do that. I wanted it to be genuine. You know, that's the hard part. I think I mentioned that in the book. That's the tough part about the Andrew Cold story is that there are some very inconsistent resources for it. There's not a good reference guide. And I, I wanted to to kind of make that as well, you know, on top of adding what I've learned to it. And, you know, who knows what I've learned could just be complete bullshit.

1:23:17 I don't know. You know, Tanya could have lied the whole time. Maybe she didn't lie at all. And maybe I'm the asshole for calling her a liar. And maybe that's why injured won't talk to me, right? I don't know. But like, even even if it is, even if it is all bullshit, right? The fact that it came from Tanya and the fact that you were able to confirm that she did have a parental connection with Woody, even if it wasn't blood, which is fascinating because that I didn't know that, right? That's incredible that you were able to to hammer that out, weed through that and able to find out that she was adopted. That's a, that's brand new information. That's awesome, right?

1:24:03 That's information that you're not going to get anywhere else. Exactly, Yeah. So no, good job, very good job, I'll. Take it. Very good job. So that's all I got for you. I'm ready to go to bed. Me too, I hate the time change. I wish it would jump off the Cliff that I'm jumping off of. Well, no, I don't, because then it goes with me right now, so it can stay here. You stay algae up right? Well, it's exactly, Yeah, I'm sleepy. But no, I appreciate you having me on.

1:24:45 You know, again, I think I said in the book, and I'll stay here and I say it every time, if you or anybody, you know, has a relationship with Andrew Cold or Demo Hassan or Carl Ardo or Clanel, I like Clanel. I think he seems down to earth God, there's so many keep there's so many other players besides injured and that's like a thing that's like a whole it's a whole universe right, The injured verse that people should. Be looking at the injured verse. Yeah, it is. It's this whole thing. The one guy, well, I think Dim Hassan was from Saturn, but he's not from Saturn. We know he's not from Saturn. Nobody lives on Saturn. We know that anyway, the nuances, but if you or anybody you know has has been in contact with an alien life form that looks human, it's it's kind of what I'm going for. They have to look pretty human.

1:25:38 And also especially if they talk telepathically and they drive a black car. Let me know. Hit me up. I want their. Or or a beetle, right? Usually a beetle. Usually a beetle. That was Demo Hassan, and there was a female character in there, wasn't there? There was and her name is weird and hard to pronounce. Yeah, I can't remember it either. Yeah, there was. Again, there's a whole key of other people that nobody talks about. They all only talk about Andrew. Yeah, the the the inclusion of a female character is kind of weird. Just in case anybody doesn't know the whole story of Andrew Cold it is. There's been conflicting reports about females being able to travel within the groups on.

1:26:31 On Well, that's what Tanya said. Tanya was the one who made that claim. Woody never said anything about that, which was one of those inconsistencies. I do. I have a part in the book where I kind of compare and contrast her story versus her dad's and you know, that's one of them. That was kind of strange, especially because Tanya says that, you know, Kimmy and Kim Cumulus, which is injured's wife and daughter both came to earth and that's why I thought they couldn't travel here, you know, But what an easy out, you know, for her to have an excuse to have not gone the annulo so. Yeah, well, I hope that one day I get to hear you guys, you and Tobias, breakdown the Karl Higdon abduction story and dive. Dive into Karl and Ozo.

1:27:18 One that's the name of the alien Ozo I I I would love to hear you guys break that down and see what kind of parallels you can draw because I knew I I just. Made that book so I don't forget it. Yeah, yeah. I'll, I'll send you a picture here in a minute or I'll, I'll, you want me to send you an Amazon link? I can do that. Yeah, that's fine. But before we let you go, why don't you go ahead and share your, your socials, your, your podcasts, any, anything and let everybody know where they can find you? That's right, I am cool enough now to say that if you Google my name, I'll pop up, but I'll make it simple for you. You can find me talking weird every Wednesday.

1:27:59 On Wednesdays we talk weird anywhere you listen to podcasts. You can find me on social media, Facebook. I am Ashley Hilt. I'm the one with the red hair. You can find me on Instagram or Twitter X. I'm calling it Twitter at it's Asher's with AZ. And like I said, if you just Google me, you'll find what you're looking for, I'm sure. Right on. All right, well, this one also ran a little late, so I'm I'm not going to I'm not going to share any artwork with anybody today or well, I guess I was just being lazy. Jake, should I share my artwork of the new show?

1:28:42 Should I do it? Sure. Sorry, I was quiet the whole time. I was just listening and researching what you guys were talking about. So I have a million tabs open on my computer. I'm like hot dogs and UFOs. All right? Who was these researchers? I guess I'll I'll officially announce the new show tonight. Sorry Ashers, I don't mean to take away from your your fun. It's. Your show man, do what you got to do. I'll just, I'll just announce it real quick and then we'll, we'll take off. All I need is for you to hang out just for a second after we're done. That way I can Riverside's going to download your audio and when that is that you can go to bed.

1:29:27 I'm a professional, I know how this goes. All right, so everybody, I would like to introduce you to Decoding Reality. This is the new podcast that you will be seeing. The target date is July 1st. That is when I am aiming for the release of the first episodes. Wow. If you are not watching live right now, you are not seeing the artwork for the cover of Decoding Reality. If you are not watching live, there's a naked man on the artwork.

1:30:14 That's a naked big feats. I'm sorry, a naked. Look at them thighs. I do, man. Oh yeah, there's four, four sets of thighs. Four sets of juicy thighs. Yeah, yeah. Ain't no way he's sneaking around the woods with them things clapping, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. But that is is it. This is my my documentary series that is coming sometime this summer. Targeted date July 1st. So hang tight. And yeah. And then the the book cover is still in the works, so that will be coming at a later date. Hang tight.

1:31:00 All right everybody, That has been another episode of the Infinite Rabbit Hole podcast. Ashers, thank you very much for showing up again. I'm I can't say that I'm happy that I'm not forcing you into another 10 hour stint. We kept it to under 2 hours this time so. It's impressive. It's a first. It is a first, but there's always next time. Yes. And Speaking of next time, until next time, travelers, we'll see you probably with Jeff next time, back to having no hair. Yeah, no hair, not redhead, Jeff. Maybe wearing a tinfoil hat, We don't know. Right here in the next fork in the path of the infinite rabbit hole.

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