212. Indrid Cold, Frogman Festival, & The Alien-Hotdog Connection w/ Asherz

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Imagine that this line
represents a time present 1985

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prior to this point in time to
this 1985, alternate to you near

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Einstein.
Welcome back to the Infinite

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Rabbit Hole.
I'm your host Jeremy.

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Today we have a special guest
again for like the 6th week in a

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row.
It's, it's, this is the norm.

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This is the new thing,
everybody.

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You guys are going to see a new
face every single time.

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We have now replaced Jeff with
with much more hair.

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There's a lot more hair in
Jeff's place now.

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And it's red.
It is red, yes, but before we

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introduce the new red.
Hair.

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Jeff replacement Jake, how you
doing buddy?

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Yeah, doing OK.
We had Whitney's birthday this

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weekend, so she's a big old 35.
She's an old.

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Man birthday, Whitney.
Yeah, she's super old.

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That's not old.
She's gonna come down here and

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beat me.
Good, I hope she doesn't care.

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Yeah, I'm only 33.
Like she's pretty old, finishing

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up my big old syrup evaporator,
so hopefully I won't miss the

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entire sugaring season.
I started that project way too

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late.
Whitney bought a bunch of bees,

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so I had to set up a bee box
today.

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So when they show up here in
about a month, I'll be able to

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put them in there because we
don't really have any bees here.

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So none of our fruit trees got
pollinated, like at all.

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We got 1 plum out of nine trees
and it was like, oh good, So

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we're doing the whole bee thing
so that should be fun.

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And yeah, nothing much.
Bunch of chores to do tomorrow

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so.
Nice, I got to move couches

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tomorrow.
I get new couches tomorrow.

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So yeah, we're crazy.
We have a we have a 2 year old

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so we're going to buy new
couches.

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It's genius yeah we're we're not
crazy but anyways.

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But besides that, nobody's here
for that.

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Our guest some some may say that
she's the reason why this

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podcast even took off in the 1st
place.

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She's one of the. 1st.
Some would say that, some would

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say, some would say that she is
the reason why our injured cold

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special did anything at all.
Some would say that if it wasn't

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for her, Jake and I would be
done podcasting and we would

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just.
Wouldn't that be nice?

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Some would say.
Some would say that we would be

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nobodies, or maybe, maybe some
people would say that we still

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are, but maybe we would just be
less than right.

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Possibly.
Yeah.

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I, I am, I am proud and happy
and excited to bring to you

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everybody the host of the on
Wednesdays We Talk Weird

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podcast, Miss Asher's AKA Ashley
Hilt, AKA author Ashley Hilt.

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AKA red haired Jeff.
Look AKA the red haired long

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haired Jeff.
I was gonna.

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Try to change my name, but it
wouldn't let me but but but

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thank you for that introduction.
If it makes you feel any better

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at all, I'm also nobody.
So there's you know, frankly,

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I've kind of learned that in the
paranormal.

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There's there's just only so far
you can go so.

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It does.
It does seem that way, huh?

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It it, it is that way, I
promise.

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Keep your day jobs.
Don't tell.

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Me what to do?
But fair, fair.

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But yes, thank you.
Thank you for having me out back

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on again.
I remember I ended up being in a

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group chat with a bunch of other
nobodies and just a bunch of

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other people and I think they
forgot I was in the group chat

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and they were actually, they
were talking about like, Oh my

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God, did you have you guys heard
of infinite rabbit hole?

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Did you see that They had Astros
on for 10 hours talking about

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injured Colt and they were like,
they thought that you guys were

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like the luckiest people in the
world.

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So oh.
Wow.

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I have a great time.
Little does everyone know that I

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kind of forced her to do that.
I didn't tell her.

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She had no idea it was going to
last that long, but it did.

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We got to.
Chat for 12 hours straight.

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It was crazy.
Drunk chimed in from YouTube.

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Is this your first episode?
Y'all showed face?

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It is not.
This is This must be the first

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episode that you're seeing live.
We're actually recording this

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live right now.
Drunk, just so you know.

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And he also said she has red
hair, so I'm going to

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automatically believe everything
she says.

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That's fair.
Yeah, absolutely fair.

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But but yeah, no, for a little
while there we did pair up and

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we we partnered and and we did
Monster Radio for a little

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while.
That was fun.

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What happened?
There I just I got very busy and

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you know, the way I was kind of
managing it was a lot of people

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right there.
There was a myriad of Co hosts

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and it's just I think that some
people didn't play ball and I'm

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very nice and instead of just
firing them and moving on to the

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next thing, I just, well, I
started writing a book and doing

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other stuff.
So she did.

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Yeah, I did.
I did.

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It doesn't mean that it won't
come back.

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It doesn't mean that I didn't
like having you on specifically.

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You were definitely there to
play ball, but I think that if I

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want to do that, if I want to
rekindle that in the future, I

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need to rethink how I want to do
it, being such a nice person and

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all.
Yeah, well, it was a fun

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experience and if you ever do
want to help doing it again, I'm

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there for you for sure.
It was a blast.

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If anybody's interested in
hearing Asher's and myself team

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up for project, that's on the on
the on Wednesdays, we talked, we

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were RSS feed, right?
It is.

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Yep, it is.
We did the the Phantom Black

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Dogs.
Yep, I think we think there was

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one other one too, didn't we?
Didn't we?

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Take I feel like we did another
one and I'm I am having a very

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hard time.
Remembering yeah, I am too.

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Lizard man.
No, it wasn't lizard man.

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It might have been, it might
have been, I don't remember.

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I guess you're just going to
have to go check it out.

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You're just gonna go have to
listen to all like this.

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I have like 300 episodes in
total.

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You're gonna listen to every
single one.

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Find out which ones they are.
See how simple that was?

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Just gonna have to go do it
anyways.

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So Jake, you got any questions
before we dive into this for

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here?
No, but she's absolutely right.

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I googled paranormal researcher
one time and it literally said

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by definition a bunch of nerds,
dorks and simps and nobodies

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that go into dark places and
scare each other and report it.

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So yeah, I mean it makes sense.
She's like, well, goodbye then

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it.
Is what it is.

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You know this is the reality of
it.

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I love this show.
Well, you got to have her say

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the whole thing about the the
aliens and the wieners.

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Oh, no, yeah.
Before we jump into the book, we

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got to talk about Frogman
Festival.

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How was that?
That was last weekend.

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It was.
It was fantastic.

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It always is.
I've been.

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I'm seeing the Frogman Festival
since it started.

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We'll continue to do so as long
as cartographer Jeff Craig, an

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event organizer, will have me.
It really is great.

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So the first year that we did
it, Jeff had Meta Zoo come, and

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Meta Zoo was the cryptic trading
card game.

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That's so cool.
And they did a $50,000

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tournament.
So it was a huge turn out right.

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It was a lot of people, while we
went on to go do the second year

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and Meta Zoo wasn't going to be
there, so we didn't really know

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what it was going to be like.
We're like, well, surely it's

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not going to be nearly as many
people.

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But we were proven wrong.
People showed up, you know,

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probably about, oh, 1500 people
or so showed up.

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Wow, it went well.
So this year being the third

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year, Jeff said, hey, I think we
can make this and a weekend

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event.
So so we did.

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So it was both days, Saturday
and Sunday, both days it went

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awesome.
It went great.

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And you know, people there are
so lively and I really like it

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because it's only like 40
minutes away from my house.

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So everybody there is to me a
local, not everybody, people

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show up from Canada, from as far
away as Canada to, to attend

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Prague Man Festival, you know,
but it, it's nice to put some

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names to some faces.
Again, especially people that I

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can kind of get into.
What I really like about it is

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that normally I'm the
transplant, right?

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So I go to a different state.
I'm going to go give a lecture

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on something and people tell me
their stories and they tell me

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their stories and I'm, you know,
six hours away from home.

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And it's unfortunate because I
don't really have the resources

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to thoroughly investigate what
it is they're talking about.

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Whereas with this, I, I do, I do
have the resources 'cause

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they're right in my backyard and
I can go to their properties or

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I can have a sit down
conversation with them.

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So that's really cool.
But yeah, it was, it was great

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fun.
Brought the book.

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It was the book's official
debut.

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It sold out on the first day
before I even gave my talk so.

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I That's so cool.
Can't complain.

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So I, I, I can't believe Asher's
we did the Loveland Frogman.

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Together.
Oh my God.

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We did the Phantom Black Dog and
the Loveland Frogman we're.

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Like, what is it?
Well, he goes.

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You're right, that is.
The How great is that?

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Speaking of Metazoo, geez, it
was probably like a year and a

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half ago.
I had a friend, a fan message me

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on Facebook and they're like,
hey, have you ever heard of

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Metazoo?
And I was like, no.

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And they're like, let me send
you some of these.

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And they sent me some cards.
Oh, yeah, yeah.

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So these are these are Metazoo
cards there?

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You go.
And so if you're a fan of like

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cryptids and mythology lore and,
and, and all of that, this is,

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you know, and you like things
like Magic the Gathering,

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Pokémon, trading cards, that
kind of stuff, this is, this is

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your game.
This is it right here.

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Well, they're these fun now, so
they did go out of business.

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Did they really?
Oh no, they.

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Really.
Did they?

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Actually?
The owner was a real piece of

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shit.
I got drunk with them one time.

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For real on an Airbnb during
Crypticon.

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Yeah, for real.
And terrible person.

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He brought a bunch of people
with them.

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They're all terrible people.
So, but anyway, I don't know

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exactly what happened.
I think what happened was like

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money laundering and documented
man.

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So but that's OK.
It was super popular, people

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loved it.
So more people have been

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creating the product again
because there is a demand for

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it.
So I think Camp Cryptid is the

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newest Cryptid trading card
game, so check that out.

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Very similar to meta zoo.
I don't know if the rules and

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stuff are similar, but I don't
know how that works.

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Why?
It's card game, it's cards, you

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play with cards.
How different can it be, you

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know?
I don't know, I have no idea.

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No idea.
But I'll, I'll have to.

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Maybe, maybe I should take
better care of these then maybe

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they'll be worth something one
day.

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I got that like a little little
chibby moth man.

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Yeah, look at them.
What are the moth man's is worth

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like a lot of money?
I saw that he's like worth a

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couple $100.
It was like 11,000 at one point.

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So what?
No.

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Yes.
Let's look this up.

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Metazoo.
Yeah, Moth man's.

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I had a first edition from their
Kickstarter when they started

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like an open pack that I got
from a friend and I ended up

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selling it for like 300 bucks.
Jeez.

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Yeah, I could have gotten more
at some point, but.

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Oh yeah?
Well, I got one right here. 777

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dollars.
Geez, that's cool.

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My chibi Mothman's worthless.
Hey.

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He's worth nothing.
Well, maybe.

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Well.
I mean, what's he?

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What's it worth to you?
That's what matters, right?

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It's worth whatever this penny
sleeve is worth.

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No, it's it's worth more than
that because I got it from from

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a from a listener.
I've, I think that listener.

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Thank you, Listener.
Yeah.

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Cool.
We got a question from Skeeter,

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the common king.
He asked his Asher's coming to

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UFO days.
I have not talked to her about

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that, but she is more than
welcome to come and present.

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I'll leave that ball in her
court.

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I don't know.
What UFO days is?

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You don't know what UFO days is
that is that is the that is the

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festival here about what is it
about 15 minutes away from us,

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Jake?
Yeah.

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It's at in this little town
called Elmwood, Wisconsin.

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And it's all based around this
series of UFO events that

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happened back in the, the 60s
and 70s in, in Elmwood.

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And this, it, it really revolves
around this one particular

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event.
There's three really big events

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and then multiple, multiple, I
mean hundreds of smaller events,

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but three bigger ones.
And then one really big one

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where an officer had come in
contact or he he went to go

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investigate what he believed to
be a fire of on top of a quarry,

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went up on top of the hill,
discovered that this UFO was

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hovering over the quarry or just
beyond the quarry.

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And a blue light had shined off
of the off of the craft.

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And he was found knocked
unconscious and died 10 months

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later from radiation poisoning
and all kinds of, you know,

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crazy health issues, ultimately
from a heart attack from a

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gentleman who never had any, any
cardiovascular issues whatsoever

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in his life.
I'm actually in the middle of

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writing a book on it right now.
Yeah, I, I'm, I'm, I'm doing the

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planning for all of the, the
presenters and everything.

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So if if you're interested
you're in, go ahead.

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You run UFO days.
No, no, no, no.

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That is the the president of UFO
Days is a is a an amazing woman.

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Her name's Amy.
She's phenomenal.

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But she this year she put me in
charge of setting up the

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presenters we presented last
year.

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I presented the story of Elmwood
to Elmwood, and it went so well

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that she asked me to do the
whole lineup this year.

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So yeah, very cool.
Yeah.

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What is it?
Last full weekend in July, but.

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Maybe let me let me figure that
out.

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My Co host is in Wisconsin, you
know.

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Oh really?
Where?

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He's in some small town.
Oh I know who your Co host is,

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never mind.
Dude, he's on TV.

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Yeah, I know who your Co host is
huh Tobias?

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Tobias.
Waylon.

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Yeah.
I'd be I'd be surprised if he

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doesn't know about UFO days.
He.

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Probably.
He probably does.

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He probably does, yeah.
If you guys, I mean, if you guys

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want to, if you guys want to
present, you're more than

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welcome to for sure.
Crash, he'll come crash the

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party.
Absolutely.

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More than one present whatever
you want for sure.

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Present Andrew Cold.
That's what I've been doing.

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That's that's my circuit right
now anyway.

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Do you want to talk about hot
dogs?

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You.
Want me to bring that up?

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Yeah, we might as well talk
about the hot dogs.

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We can talk about this.
OK.

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Yeah, unless people want to
listen to Plan UFO days, I

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guess, you know.
No, no, no, no, no.

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Come on, we'll talk hot dogs.
Everyone, everyone.

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Trust me, they all want to hear
about the hot.

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Dogs, They want to hear about
the hot dogs.

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So you know, one of the things
that I kind of grabbed onto when

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I give my presentations about
stuff I hate to hate, I do not

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like to use a PowerPoint.
So normally that's what you'll

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see at these events, right?
You'll see somebody with a big

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old PowerPoint presentation.
That's what they follow and you

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know you're watching it and
you'll listen to them.

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I don't do that.
I just sit down and I tell them

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right at the beginning, we're
just having a conversation,

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right?
It's just me talking to you

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about something really cool and
really weird.

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So, and I also like to be funny.
I think I'm funny, right?

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So I try to be funny.
People laugh.

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I don't know if it's out of
because they feel bad or what,

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but they do.
They're laughing.

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They're not laughing laughing at
you.

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They're laughing next to you.
Next to me, right?

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So yeah, anyway.
So Jake up there with you

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because he'll make sure they're
laughing at you.

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That's, well, that's you're
probably right.

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Yeah, or booing you.
He'll.

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Probably just flap through the
room.

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So, you know, I kind of grab
onto something.

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It just depends on what it is.
I'm really good on my feet.

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The first time I talked about
injured cold, I had a bit

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accusing different people in the
audience of being injured cold.

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They like that.
This time around, hot dogs

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became a thing.
And actually there's a little

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bit more to the story so that I
didn't share, so I'll share the

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whole thing.
So we had kind of talked about

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how, you know, injured would
come with this family, you know,

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to the Derrenberger home and
they would have like big family

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picnics and whatnot.
And you know, Tanya mentioned a

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lot.
Tanya repeated the same stories

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a lot.
So anything you, you know, you

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guys had her on your show.
I had her on myself.

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Talk to her a bunch.
It's all the same story as you

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can get.
And beyond Lenny Lowe's like

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almost repeated verbatim, like
it's the same stuff.

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So one thing she talked about
was how they were like, not they

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were like fascinated by the hot
dogs.

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They were like really thrown off
by him because they don't have

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processed foods on landulos.
And so I don't remember how hot

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dogs got thrown into the the
joke of things for a while, but

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but it did.
And and at one point in time

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during my talk, so at the venue
that we were at, they served

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food, they served hot dogs.
And I was the last speaker of

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the day, and they cut in to
announce that they were doing a

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special $1.00 hot dog.
So it was, it was funny.

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They all had a good laugh.
They're like, Oh my God, hot

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dogs, this is over, let's go get
hot dogs.

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Anyway, so after my talk,
somebody comes up to me and they

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wanted to talk about hot dogs.
And they were talking about this

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connection between UFOs and hot
dogs.

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And I'm just like, OK, you know,
whatever.

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This is silly.
But no, they, they, they had

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really good arguments.
So they were talking about how

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there was like 1 UFO abduction
case where the guy was driving

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down the road and he was driving
like a food truck, like a hot

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dog food truck.
And one of the things that ended

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up missing at the end of, of his
situation were his hot dogs, you

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know, then he went on to say,
well, it's not just like about

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hot dogs, right?
It's not like they, they just

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love hot dogs.
It's that there's something

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about nitrates and UFOs.
So then they mentioned the Betty

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and Barney Hill case and they
were saying that the, you know,

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and Betty and Barney Hill's
trunk of their car, they had

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fertilizer and the fertilizer
ended up being missing.

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And, and I that one I definitely
Fact Check.

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I'm familiar with Betty, Barney
and Barney Hill.

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That one works.
True.

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I don't know about the hot dog
truck guy, but it was super

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interesting.
So now I'm like, I'm I'm

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interested to see what the
connection is there.

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I don't, I don't know for sure,
but I mentioned this and Jeremy,

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you got very excited.
About I did I yeah, so not I

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yeah, I did OK.
I did not so I during my

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research because I'm, I'm
working on a new project right

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now, which is another podcast.
And it's, it's, it's a

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documentary podcast.
So it's, it's, there's no talk

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show aspect to it whatsoever.
And it's, it's going to be a

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really, really nice blend
between all this weird stuff and

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science and physics and
chemistry and, and everything.

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And I got to really dive into a
subject that has been brought up

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on this show quite a bit,
specifically by Jake.

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And the, the, the question that
Jake poses quite a bit is, you

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know, if, if they are, if UFOs
are extraterrestrial or, you

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know, non human at all, why do
they have exterior lights?

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Why do they follow FAA
regulations?

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Why do they have a human concept
to them whatsoever?

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It was just a good question.
Why, why is that?

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And it's, it's something that's
always kind of stuck in my mind.

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It's very, you know, very
exciting And it kind of leans

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into well, UFOs could
potentially just be human,

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right?
It if it looks like human, it

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smells like human, tastes like
human.

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It's.
Probably human.

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It's probably human, right?
So I read something today while

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doing my research and I was
like, hmm, that is a very

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interesting view on this.
And all I'll say is that it ties

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in the exterior lighting of UAP
with the concept of nuclear

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fusion.
And when you said that about

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nitrites or nitrates going
missing, I had to do a quick

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Google search on if there was
any connection between nitrites

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and nuclear bombs or, or fusion
or any nuclear reaction

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whatsoever.
And there is.

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Back when they were creating the
original H bombs, the hydrogen

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bombs, they used to use nitrites
as the trigger mechanism to

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create fusion, which is the the
the reaction that causes the

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splitting of the atom.
So basically think of it like

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this, right?
If you were to take two, I don't

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know, baseballs and stick them
together with a a high-powered

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spring and pull them apart and
let go, what would happen?

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They would they would slam back
together.

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Well, that's, that's your
electron and your neutron,

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right?
And and that, that spring on the

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inside is the bond that they
have together.

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That's their potential energy.
That's that's what holds them

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together.
Now think of that on the

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molecular level.
You know, we can pull them

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apart, but they always come back
together.

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That is their that is their
potential energy.

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So by adding nitrate to that,
they were able to create the

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fusion which split the atom
which separated the two, and all

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that energy that was used to
keep them compressed together

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was now expelled outwards, which
when you have enough of these

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reactions happening at once,
resulted in an atomic explosion.

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Sure.
You know, H bombs, atomic bombs

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now that somehow ties in with
exterior lighting on UAP in my

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research, and there may be
somebody who's listening to this

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right now that knows exactly
where my research came from, so

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they know what what Ave.
I'm going down.

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But all I could say is that the
first season of the new project

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is going to be very mind bending
and exciting.

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So that I don't know that that
just added a whole another layer

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to things.
So, so that now we just have

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alien beings out there stealing
hot dogs and and fertilizer from

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from people.
And the the whole Betty Barney

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Hill story was really just to
steal shit out of their trunk.

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It's just it's wild.
Yeah, it's crazy.

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Love it.
Yeah, well, I mean, if you've

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read the book at all then you
know that probably then these

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were just humanoids, right?
The the little sticky fingered

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counterparts to all the other
aliens, I guess, that love to

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steal shit.
Oh, I'm sorry.

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I don't know if I could say
shit.

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Yeah, you're fine.
You're fine.

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So my solution was to say it
twice, right?

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Just for it to cancel each other
out, yeah.

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That's how it works.
Anyway, very cool, very

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exciting.
Wow.

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Yeah, Yeah, it is.
It is.

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Man, I really want to.
I can't wait.

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Anyways, let's talk about the
book.

451
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:06,360
Sure, Let's talk about the book.
So this is the first time I

452
00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:09,360
really got a chance to talk to
you, talk to you about injured

453
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:15,320
cold since Tanya's passing.
You know, which is sad.

454
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,760
That's that sucks.
I did get to read your book.

455
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,960
I can't say that I I was able to
spend a ton of time on it, but I

456
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,800
did get to read through it and
there there's a few things in

457
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:36,920
here that I did get the pleasure
of of going over with her, which

458
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,160
was nice to see that it's
finally in print.

459
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,080
Very, very, very happy to see
that.

460
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:49,200
That's that's amazing.
Specifically demo Hassan, the

461
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,080
picture of demo.
That's that's awesome.

462
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:56,200
What was the other one?
There was there was one more and

463
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,360
I was like, oh man, that's so
cool that she that she got that

464
00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:00,320
in there.
Hold on.

465
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:11,160
I want to say it was in chapter
2 drawn a blank here.

466
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,480
I just had it just just thought
about it should have wrote it

467
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:21,000
down.
Anyways, let's let's let's talk

468
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,000
about when was the decision made
that you wanted to write this

469
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:30,120
book.
I mean, definitely solidified

470
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:36,040
after Tanya died, but I didn't
really know what to write about,

471
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:39,680
you know what I mean?
I guess I could talk about

472
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,240
interviewing Tanya, right?
I mean, but but, you know, me

473
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,560
and Tanya talked a lot.
They became good friends, you

474
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,240
know, not just having this, you
know, relationship where she's,

475
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,640
you know, a contactee and I'm an
investigator.

476
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,040
We were friends.
I was friends with the woman.

477
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,920
And, you know, we'd always kind
of talked about what's going to

478
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,800
happen next when she dies
because when I met her, she was

479
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,520
in really poor health already.
And, you know, it was

480
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,400
inevitable, right?
Everybody dies.

481
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,160
And, you know, I knew that she
had a strange relationship with

482
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,280
her kids.
And, you know, she said her kids

483
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,440
didn't really want anything to
do with Indra.

484
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,720
That was kind of her, it seemed
to kind of be her excuse, I

485
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,400
guess as to why they weren't
publicly speaking out about it

486
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:30,320
is that they just were afraid or
whatever, you know, didn't want

487
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,360
anything to do with them.
Fine.

488
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,440
So what happens when you die,
Tanya?

489
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,760
Does Indra just stop visiting?
Does he have a reason to visit

490
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,200
anymore?
Do we, do you pass the reins on

491
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,320
to someone else?
And you know what?

492
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,400
On a personal level, I guess I
had kind of always hoped that I,

493
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,040
I would be that person.
That's why I befriended her in

494
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,920
the 1st place, right, Was to
meet Indra Cold.

495
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,760
If he's real, surely I can meet
him.

496
00:29:54,880 --> 00:30:00,040
And you know, but we would kind
of talk about it and I'd tell

497
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,960
her, look, when you die, your
story dies with you.

498
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,560
Unless Indra does start visiting
somebody else, it dies with you

499
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,680
and there's, there's nothing
else to talk about.

500
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,440
So then that would kind of
convert to, you know, oh, no,

501
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,240
I'll talk to Andrew.
I don't, you know, we'll we'll

502
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,360
get you guys together.
You'll you'll sit down, you can

503
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,080
talk and then whatever Andrew
wants to talk, wants the world

504
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,240
to know.
That's what you can put out

505
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:23,160
there.
And I'm like, yeah, great,

506
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,120
wonderful, you know, but it
never happened.

507
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,000
So she ends up, you know, she
ends up dying.

508
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,440
You know, I really and and and
you can tell reading the book, I

509
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,960
don't think it's quite the book
a lot of people expected.

510
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,880
It's not me writing and going,
Oh yeah, this all definitely

511
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,440
happens.
You know, I, I certainly

512
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,440
approach it with skepticism.
I always have.

513
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,280
And I don't shy away from that
in the book itself, especially

514
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,040
with Tanya's stories and Tanya's
details, because I ended up

515
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,440
reading, of course I read, I had
read both books.

516
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,560
But in order to write that one,
man, I read them back-to-back.

517
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,480
And there's so much that's
inconsistent, you know, and it

518
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,920
just solidified kind of what my
theory was on, on Tanya's deal

519
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,080
and what was going on there.
But towards the end of her

520
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,680
death, she ended up having a a
pretty lengthy hospital stay and

521
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,600
she hadn't died yet, but she was
definitely on her way out.

522
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,120
And I think she some people
might remember she had like a

523
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,720
YouTube channel or was on a
YouTube channel for a while.

524
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,080
I think it was Godspeed
Ministries or something like

525
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,600
that.
And she was like making videos

526
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,080
from a hospital bed, you know,
at that point in time, she was

527
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,760
dying.
And I talked to one of her kids

528
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,960
and it was what one of her kids
said, which it kind of made me

529
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,960
change my mind.
So at that point in time, I just

530
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,400
thought Tanya's lying.
She's making it up for whatever

531
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,360
reason.
Maybe she genuinely believes in

532
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,880
this stuff, but she's making up
her part in the story.

533
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,040
Didn't know if Woody had made it
up or not.

534
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,400
Didn't matter for Tanya, didn't
think injured was visiting her.

535
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,960
And when I talked to one of her
kids about it and the and her

536
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:10,280
kid didn't deny Indrid, it was
very telling to me, especially

537
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,280
considering the context of the
conversation that we had.

538
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,920
So, you know, that happened and
that kind of changed my

539
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,440
perspective a little bit, but I
never really got to touch base

540
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,840
with Tanya again in that regard
to injured.

541
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,040
We talked a lot about death.
We talked a lot about I had

542
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,920
actually just prior to that I
had a near death experience

543
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,680
myself.
So I knew exactly what, you

544
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,240
know, what she was feeling and
but we didn't talk about injured

545
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,360
anymore.
And then she dies and then I'm

546
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,160
like, oh God, now what?
Well, Tanya had been working on

547
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,320
a second injured cold book.
She had sent me the parts of it

548
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,400
that she had written.
She didn't want to publish it

549
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,880
under her previous publisher.
She wanted to do it on her own.

550
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,160
I was helping her with that
process, but there really wasn't

551
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,880
anything new in that book that
could really be added to the

552
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,240
story.
And it's not in this book

553
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:03,520
either.
I didn't include it.

554
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,160
You know, at the end of the day,
I sent it to her kids and I

555
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,440
said, hey, this is yours.
Do with it what you want and let

556
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,320
it be that.
But then I had my own strange

557
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,080
set of circumstances happened
after she had died.

558
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,520
And this is.
This is what I wanted to talk

559
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:20,880
about.
Sorry.

560
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:21,680
Go ahead.
Yes.

561
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,280
And, and we're going to, you
know, and, and it was that set

562
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,640
of circumstances that that
really, you know, led me into

563
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,040
throwing myself into a full
blown investigation with the

564
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,560
topic.
And of course, which has led me

565
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,040
to writing the book, the book
itself.

566
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,800
It's part of the investigation.
So I'm hoping this is Part 1.

567
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,200
So, but let me tell you what
her, what her, what her kids

568
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,760
said to me, OK, because this is
so important, I think, for

569
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,440
people to hear because that's a
crazy story.

570
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,400
And, you know, we talked about
it for 10 hours.

571
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,280
It sounds made-up.
It does.

572
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,280
And but there's all kinds of
like little things like like

573
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,560
like Woody and his wife getting
divorced and the wife going.

574
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,120
It's not because injured isn't
real.

575
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,639
He is real.
It's because I can't stand the

576
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:11,679
the drama.
I can't stand him disappearing

577
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:13,440
for weeks at a time to go to
another planet.

578
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,800
You know, you have the
psychologist report who said,

579
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,080
yeah, he's cleared and he's
good.

580
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,800
Also injured.
Talk to me telepathically.

581
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:23,880
You know, there were different
things about the story that

582
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,880
added up to that point, but it's
so bizarre.

583
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,040
It's like, there's no way.
So of course, I've always not

584
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,000
believed it.
And initially we actually

585
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,239
struggled with tying Tanya to
Woodrow because if you look at

586
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:42,280
Woody's obituary, Tanya's not
listed on there as his, his

587
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,760
daughter and she's not.
And so we did a little digging.

588
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,520
And then if you look at other
things like and visitors from

589
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,239
Lanulos and you compare it to
like genuine ancestry records

590
00:34:55,159 --> 00:35:00,480
that his wife's name is
different, his son's name is

591
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,560
different.
Tanya's name is not different.

592
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,680
But that didn't necessarily mean
that she was related to him.

593
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,520
She could have been a crazy
person that just took on this

594
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,360
personality and we all just
believed it because he's not

595
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,760
around to say otherwise.
But it turns out actually it was

596
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,320
legitimate.
I'm not.

597
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,000
OK, good.
Wow, it was, I was good to say

598
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,440
hold.
It was like an Asher's drop

599
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,360
bombs.
Over here, this was the book.

600
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,240
You know, it turns out Tonya was
adopted.

601
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,400
So Woodrow Danberg wasn't her
biological dad.

602
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,320
But that's important.
And, you know, I'll, I'll get

603
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,120
into to why I think it is so.
I don't know why his wife's name

604
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,400
was changed.
I don't know why his son's name

605
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,080
was changed.
I think his son may have changed

606
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,200
his name later in life and to
avoid all this.

607
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,040
That's fine.
The wife, I don't know.

608
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,600
Maybe it's because she was an
adult at the time.

609
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,000
I don't know.
Anyway, but she was she was

610
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,560
adopted by him.
It was her dad.

611
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,880
So she's very sick.
One of her kids reaches out to

612
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,960
me and they go, yeah, hey, my
mom's fine.

613
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:01,440
She's.
She's in hostas right now, but

614
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,000
she's going to get out, right?
She's OK.

615
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,160
She's going to use this to ask
for money.

616
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,600
She has always done this her
entire life.

617
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,120
When she gets out of the
hospital, she's going to tell

618
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,920
everybody that she can't pay her
rent, that she can't buy food,

619
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,760
that she needs basic hygiene
products.

620
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,400
And she is going to probably
start a GoFundMe.

621
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,840
She's going to make people feel
badly for her again.

622
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:29,480
I don't they said I don't talk
to her anymore.

623
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,240
And there's many reasons behind
it.

624
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:36,160
She was an accomplice to our
abuse as kids.

625
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,480
And I mean, she just this person
had nothing nice to say about

626
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,760
their own mother.
And so I thought, here it is

627
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,200
perfect.
They're going to tell me that

628
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,800
the whole injured thing is a
ruse, right?

629
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,880
It's all fake.
It's all made-up for money,

630
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,440
which is what we all kind of
maybe suspected for a long time,

631
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:54,240
right?
Let's be real.

632
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,680
And you know, then they asked
me, well, how do you know my

633
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:01,080
mom?
Because you're, you know, their,

634
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,800
their mom is a 60 something year
old woman in West Virginia and

635
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,040
I'm a 30 year old redhead in
Ohio.

636
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,280
We're very different people.
And I tell them I'm like, oh,

637
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,120
because of the entrance stuff.
And they just go, oh, yeah,

638
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:14,200
yeah, I know.
Injured.

639
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,880
Leave it at that.
Say it says nothing more about

640
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,120
it.
Goes back into trauma dumping

641
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,240
all over me about their terrible
childhood and how awful their

642
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:27,640
mom is.
And, you know, I didn't want to

643
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,760
push anything.
And I said that to them.

644
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,160
I said, we're going to have to
talk about this another do.

645
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,400
You don't have to talk about it
another day.

646
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,400
But I'd like to talk to you
about this some other time about

647
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,560
about Android.
And then we just kind of started

648
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,280
talking about bad parents
because I'm same, right?

649
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,200
So, you know, we went that
route.

650
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,280
It was, it was very odd.
It was it was a very strange

651
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,200
thing to confirm because none of
her kids have ever come forward

652
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,200
and talked about this publicly.
And I've tried, you know, since

653
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,200
then.
It was that same kid who reached

654
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:09,040
out to me that let me know that
Tanya had passed but didn't

655
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,440
talk.
We haven't talked since then.

656
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,080
And it's not like I haven't
tried to reach out to them.

657
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,480
I have.
So it kind of took a little

658
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,600
longer than I wanted to for the
book to come out because I I

659
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,480
didn't want to steal their
story.

660
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,800
You know, I wanted to give them
a chance to jump in and, you

661
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,800
know, share their piece and it
just never happened.

662
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,640
So anyway, that was really
interesting.

663
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,920
And that has kind of been the
theme the whole time for the

664
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,440
injured cold stuff, is that
every single time I am so sure

665
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,640
that this is bullshit, something
like that happens.

666
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,560
So yeah, So, so there.
There's that part of it.

667
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,400
I'll let someone else talk for a
minute.

668
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:56,720
Jake, you got anything?
I mean, I mean, when I was

669
00:38:56,720 --> 00:39:00,960
asking Tanya stuff about her
story and everything, I think at

670
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:08,400
one point she had mentioned
something about you had to be

671
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:13,200
sanitized or whatever to go and
visit Lanulose because of the

672
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,320
bacteria.
And I was like, well, wouldn't

673
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,800
that have been the same thing?
If injured was not walking

674
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,440
around in some sort of a suit,
he would be infected by our

675
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,240
bacteria and stuff, 'cause it's
different.

676
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:27,840
She's like, Oh no, they had
immunities or something like

677
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,160
that.
And I was like, OK, And then I

678
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,800
just kind of let it go.
And I'm just like, this lady's

679
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,800
full of crap.
I'm just like, like, OK, well,

680
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:43,960
now that's not to say, you know,
I can't, you know, if my, my dad

681
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,400
has gone to Hawaii and I
haven't, if someone was

682
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,880
questioning me about his Hawaii
experience, there'd be a lot of

683
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,320
stuff I wouldn't know, right,
Because I wasn't there.

684
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:55,640
So, I mean, I guess there's
that.

685
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,120
But yeah, I mean, I've, I've
always felt that this story was

686
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,640
just a really cool story and
nothing more, nothing less,

687
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,360
right?
But it's interesting that you

688
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:13,120
know you, I would imagine.
That if the kids have such a

689
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,400
seething review of their own
mother that the second you say

690
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,200
something about injured cold,
they'd be like, oh, yeah, that

691
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,240
bunch of shit, you know, you
know, not be like, oh, yeah, OK.

692
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,920
You know, So it's just, that's
an interesting reaction.

693
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:35,000
Hopefully at some point,
hopefully in the near future, we

694
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,080
could get more of, you know, and
that's I guess would be based

695
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,720
off of you and your interactions
with them because you're the one

696
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:46,400
that's doing this.
But they're coming out and

697
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,080
saying like, yes, it was, it's
real or no, it's not or, you

698
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,760
know, whatever it is versus just
kind of passively being like, Oh

699
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,200
yeah, that OK, Well, it's just
like, cause 'cause that would be

700
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,800
interesting.
You know, that would definitely

701
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,400
solidify for me that there's
something there more so than

702
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,160
where I'm sitting right now,
where I'm just like, yeah, I

703
00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:09,480
mean, cool lady, really
interesting tale, but that's it,

704
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,600
you know?
No.

705
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,320
And I, I feel that entirely.
I mean, yes, I'm a Fortian

706
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,800
investigator.
Yes, I've had very weird stuff

707
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,080
happen to me.
It doesn't mean that I believe

708
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,120
everything that comes across my
desk.

709
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,880
I certainly don't.
If anybody here listens to my

710
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,320
show, they know that most of the
time we're going to tell you why

711
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,360
it's bullshit.
And again, this is just one of

712
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,600
those things that, you know, as
soon as I'm sure of it,

713
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,360
something happens.
And I'm like, what is the deal?

714
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,160
I do hope that the the kids do
come forward and, you know,

715
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,120
share their peace or injured
himself comes forward and says,

716
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,880
OK, what?
This is what you wanted.

717
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,160
I'm here now again, Andrew.
We're all nobodies.

718
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,480
You're not at risk here.
I promise to reveal yourself to

719
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,520
any of us.
Shoot, he could show up right

720
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,720
now behind me and I wouldn't
even believe he existed.

721
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:02,440
So I mean, I'd be like Nope,
sorry, aliens aren't real.

722
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,800
Bye.
You know, but.

723
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,720
Yeah, it it is.
It was a really interesting

724
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:13,640
wrench to throw in the whole
thing.

725
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,520
I I still don't know what to
make of it.

726
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:24,640
I've got a few things that I
found interesting.

727
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:31,600
Let's let's let's take a step
back really quick because I want

728
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,880
to talk about some of the issues
that her kids are talking about

729
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,200
because of I've also seen a
couple of them too.

730
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:46,800
The the asking for money thing.
I saw that a lot I end up

731
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,080
buying.
Exactly what happened?

732
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,960
Yeah, I ended up buying five
additional books from her one

733
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:58,880
time and I never got them.
But yeah, you know, she, she

734
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,920
reached out.
You know, I'm not, I'm not going

735
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,200
to read what she said, but I
still have the chat.

736
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:13,800
I, I, if, if you find Tonya
Darenberger on Facebook, she's

737
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,520
actually wearing an Infinite
Rabbit Hole shirt, Jake and I

738
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:23,240
actually sent that to her and,
and I'll, I'll, I'll read just

739
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:28,400
one line of a message that she
sent to me.

740
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:38,840
And it kind of hurt because not
only did we help spread her

741
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,760
GoFundMe that she had, we, we
donated $100 to it.

742
00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:47,480
I bought five additional books
from her that I was going to

743
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,040
give away to listeners, you
know, as a, as a giveaway that I

744
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:59,520
never got.
But then she talks.

745
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:04,280
She sends me a message saying
that she's asking if I can

746
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:09,240
donate more Infinite Rabbit Hole
shirts and that she loves the

747
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:15,320
one that she bought.
She wears a 3X and that she

748
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,000
would like to have multiple
colors but she doesn't have the

749
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,600
money to buy them so she was
wondering if I could donate them

750
00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:27,120
and that she.
She assures me that she did

751
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,240
purchase the first one off of
our website.

752
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:35,120
Well, we didn't have a website
at the time and I personally

753
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,000
went on to a website that we
have not made public at.

754
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,080
Well, we did have a website, we
just hadn't made it public yet.

755
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:47,040
We were going through whatever
the first website was, Jake, not

756
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,160
Red Bubble.
We went through a.

757
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,880
Yeah.
Whatever, whatever, but we

758
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,400
hadn't made it public yet and it
was literally one of the first

759
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,320
purchases ever made from our
very first T-shirt website.

760
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:05,080
Was her T-shirt from the
Infinite Rabbit Hole debit card

761
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:11,120
and sent to her and, you know,
she tried to convince me that

762
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:15,520
she bought a T-shirt and, you
know, I was kind of bummed out

763
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:20,640
about that, but, you know, and,
and it was like every day she

764
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,560
was sending me new things about,
you know, hey, I'm, I'm, I, I

765
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,720
came home after surgery and my
house was robbed and, and I was

766
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:32,120
like, man, you know, like, I'd
love to help you, but you know,

767
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:37,800
this is, this is becoming a lot.
I don't make money off of this

768
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:46,640
podcast, you know, so, you know,
it was unfortunate that, you

769
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:54,320
know, I, I, I did, I did get to
see, I did get to see a really

770
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,440
good side of her at times,
really, really good informative

771
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,760
side of her at times.
And that's, that's what I like

772
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,160
to remember about her.
I like the, you know, anybody

773
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,520
who's ever seen the episode that
we did with her, that was the

774
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,400
Tanya that I really appreciated
being able to talk to.

775
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:18,480
And there was a really good
portion of time where Asher's

776
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:22,360
put me in contact with her where
she was an open book and she was

777
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,080
able to answer everything and
anything that I had.

778
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:31,400
And she was, she was super,
super open about all of it.

779
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:36,600
Very, very easy to talk to.
Yeah, she, you know, initially

780
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:41,240
when I first started talking to
her, I, I, I really had to work

781
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:44,960
to gain her trust.
She again, she wanted me to help

782
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,840
her publish the second book for
free.

783
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,480
And she had like some formatting
issues or something with the

784
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:54,240
cover and she wanted me to like,
edit it and stuff like that.

785
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:56,400
And, you know, that's all free
labor and I was more than happy

786
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,520
to do it.
But you know, at one point I was

787
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,760
not in the state.
I was somewhere investigating

788
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,520
something somewhere else.
And you know, I'm in the middle

789
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,800
of nowhere with no cell phone
service.

790
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,920
And I get back into town finally
and I have a myriad of messages

791
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,120
where she's like going off like
she's mad.

792
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,600
And she's like, well, if you're
not going to help me, I'll find

793
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,160
somebody else to help me.
And well, I mean, she got super

794
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:27,640
nasty with me and I still did
her cover anyway because I

795
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:33,560
wanted to gain her trust to the
100 cold, you know, but then she

796
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,520
she actually she stopped and
that kind of was a little

797
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,320
surprising to me.
She did not ask me for money or

798
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,160
anything like that.
As a matter of fact, she was a

799
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:48,040
Patreon member one time at one
point for the for my podcast.

800
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:55,840
But if you look her up on just
go on Facebook and type in Tanya

801
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:00,280
Dehrenberger, you'll find posts
where she's not just doing

802
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:06,320
Gofundmes and stuff on her page.
She's on like Parkersburg local

803
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,600
groups asking for food, asking
for money, asking for people to

804
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,360
pay her bills.
She definitely has that that

805
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,560
kind of mentality.
And I hate to say it, but man, I

806
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,720
live in Dayton, OH.
I know exactly the type and she

807
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:26,840
was that type.
Yeah, yeah, that that's, that

808
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,960
was, you know, that was rough.
I definitely saw two sides of

809
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,600
her.
And, you know, I was, I was

810
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,200
really bummed out to hear, you
know, of her passing.

811
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,360
But I, I, I want to, I want to
dive into the Andrew Cold story

812
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:48,560
because I've, I've also
flip-flopped between bullshit

813
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:53,560
and not bullshit for the injured
gold story quite a bit.

814
00:48:54,040 --> 00:49:04,920
And so shoot, it was in NN or
October of this year or last

815
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:10,000
year, 2024, when I did a four
part series on the Hollow Earth

816
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:19,400
when I convinced myself that
Lanulos may be in the inside of

817
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:29,880
the Earth.
And have you ever heard of the

818
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:37,840
abduction story of, oh crap,
Carl Higdon?

819
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:42,080
I don't think so.
Carl Higdon.

820
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,600
Give me just a second.
Involves an awful lot of

821
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,640
probing.
Is there hot dogs?

822
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,240
There's not.
There should be.

823
00:49:54,240 --> 00:50:03,160
It would make the story better.
Googling it too while we're

824
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:04,320
talking.
Hello toe cozies.

825
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,200
This is the book that you need
right here.

826
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,400
OK, if you're, I don't know if
you're a book reader, but the

827
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,760
alien abduction of the Wyoming
Hunter, This is this is the

828
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:22,680
alien.
OK, And there are a absolute a

829
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:29,080
ton of parallels between the
abduction of Carl Higdon and the

830
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,000
story of Intercold.
Now there are some differences,

831
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,040
right?
Carl Higdon was Abdon in a clear

832
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:42,440
cube, but just like how Woody
Darenberger was taken off planet

833
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:49,160
but was able to look at a a
screen and was able to, you

834
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,920
know, watch planets through the
screen and watch the earth pass

835
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,360
and then approach Lanulos
through a screen.

836
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,520
Carl Higdon was able to
basically watch outside of this

837
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:08,240
clear cube, but they both went
to these planets that were

838
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:18,480
extremely advanced.
The Lanulos had the, the, the

839
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,680
way that they transported each
other or the, their, their

840
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:26,200
former locomotion were these,
these rail systems with carts

841
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:31,080
that zoomed you back and forth.
Same thing on the planet where

842
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:37,920
Carl Hadrian was taken.
Then then when I was doing my

843
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,600
research on Hollow Earth, I came
across and I had to bring this

844
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,760
up while you were talking
because I was like that this is

845
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,120
definitely something that we're
going to have to talk about

846
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:52,080
here.
There was a, you know, I'm just

847
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:55,920
going to read this real quick.
The civilizations of these

848
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,840
enormous beings were in the form
of town similar to those on the

849
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,840
surface and the men were in awe
at the technology that was being

850
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,520
used in the shape of a conveyor
of sorts that transported the

851
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,360
beings from point A to point B.
Side note If you listen to our

852
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,960
coverage on the Andrew Cole
story you would remember that

853
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,760
Indrid was also a part of a race
of larger beings from a planet

854
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,760
with an intense sun in a
conveyor like transportation

855
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,040
system.
Side Note 2.

856
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,080
Much of these descriptions are
retold in our coverage of the

857
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,520
Carl Higdon Abdon as well.
The man claimed to have spent

858
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,000
almost an entire year with a
family of these gigantic beings

859
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,400
and was incredibly impressed at
the size of their fruit compared

860
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,240
to the ones coming on the
surface.

861
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:41,000
Now remember the the diet of the
Lanulosian's fresh fruit.

862
00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:44,760
One particular example he told
was that the grapes in the

863
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:49,320
interior lands were as big as
the oranges from the surfaces.

864
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,280
Another report was made by a man
by the name of Olaf Janssen of

865
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,400
Norway in a book titled The
Smoky God by American writer

866
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,080
Willis George Emerson.
In his book, Olaf describes how

867
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,360
the sun in the interior of the
Earth is smaller and duller than

868
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,120
the one on the surface.
The way he specifically

869
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,200
described it was as if it was
hidden by a layer of smoke all

870
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,160
the time.
Jansen as a young adult, and his

871
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,720
father took to this journey due
to telling of a land of warmth

872
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:16,440
beyond the ice and cold of the
Arctic.

873
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:18,840
The pair spent two years
traveling through the inner

874
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,200
Earth and exited in the South
polar planet.

875
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,440
By the end of the journey,
Jansen's father had passed away

876
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,680
and Jansen eventually settled in
America where he would pass on

877
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:32,640
his story on his deathbed as
well as of the maps that he had

878
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,720
drawn up throughout his life of
the lands he witnessed during

879
00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:38,680
the multi year journey.
The story also goes on the tell

880
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,800
of large human like beings with
incredible scientific advances

881
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,680
who fly saucers who live 400 to
800 years on average.

882
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,600
Side note, this is the lifetime
of a Lanulosian from the injured

883
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:57,160
cold story.
This is all about civilizations

884
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:02,480
from the inner Earth.
So where does that source come

885
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:13,920
from?
That source is, bear with me, I

886
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:20,000
don't know which one, but it's
one of these, one of those I

887
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,000
don't know.
Read through them and tell us

888
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:28,600
which one it is.
I want to say, OK, it's not

889
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,400
definitely not that one, not
that, not that it's one of these

890
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,760
two.
It's either David Standish's

891
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,480
Hollow Earth or Doctor Raymond
Bernard's The Hollow Earth.

892
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:47,120
They are absolutely phenomenal
books.

893
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:54,560
This one has an intro by David
Hatchett Childress and it, it's,

894
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,840
I don't know, it's just, it's,
it's absolutely these, these

895
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,840
books are incredible.
I'm not going to talk about

896
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,520
those ones because they're not
incredible.

897
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,120
But these two, these two are
absolutely incredible.

898
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:14,120
So yeah, there's, there's,
there's, there's other things

899
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:15,240
too.
I'm just not going to take up

900
00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:18,160
the entire episode by talking
about all that.

901
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,880
But just to draw some some
parallels for you, if you if you

902
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,800
want to do some some side
research one day, the Carl

903
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,760
Higgins story and Hollow Earth
is something that you might want

904
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,520
to look into.
You know, there's stuff,

905
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,080
there's, there's some
differences, but not anything

906
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:41,320
that is Major William, not
William Joe Simonton, the space

907
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,120
pancakes guy.
You know that story?

908
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,000
Space pancakes.
Yes, that's Wisconsin.

909
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:51,200
He describes the the the aliens
that cooked about the pancakes

910
00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:55,840
as very Italian looking, which
is also very injured, cold

911
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:01,240
adjacent right?
And then the the LAN, the

912
00:56:01,240 --> 00:56:03,360
Lanulesians.
This is hard to get used to.

913
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:07,200
Tanya called them Lanulosians.
What do you call them?

914
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,360
Lanulesians.
I I've called them Lanulosians.

915
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,400
You know, obviously we injured
to settle this for us, right?

916
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,440
The people of Lanulos, How about
that their one of their

917
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:31,080
religious stories is about their
discovery of not their

918
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,760
discovery, but the gift of
telepathy, right.

919
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,680
So one of their big selling
points is that they can speak

920
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,360
telepathically with people and
you know everybody and that's

921
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:47,200
why they don't really have
violence on their planet is

922
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,520
because they it's not necessary.
There's no miscommunications.

923
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,200
There's no I'll intense because
they can speak to each other

924
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,640
telepathically.
But the origin story of that is

925
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:04,840
that Earthlings crash landed on
Lanulos, and while they were

926
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,120
trying to rebuild their ship
with the resources at hand, they

927
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,280
were bickering and fighting all
the time.

928
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,720
And they all went, you know
what, fuck it, I'm going to go

929
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:17,640
this way, You go that way.
I'm going to take this woman

930
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,840
with me, take that woman with
you, you know, and they all kind

931
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:24,400
of split up and after some time
of them going their separate

932
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:28,640
ways and trying to kind of sit
and rebuild life or build life

933
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:34,880
there on the planet, you know,
they missed each other a lot.

934
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:41,120
And God recognized that and gave
them the power of telepathy,

935
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,160
thinking that they had learned
their lesson and having these

936
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,400
disagreements making them able
to communicate with each other.

937
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,400
But again, the most interesting
aspect of that is that

938
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,720
Earthlings crash landed on
Landulos and they actually

939
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,720
started from us, but we're not
as cool as they are.

940
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:07,280
Yeah, That, that I, I, I covered
that in the, in the series where

941
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:13,560
you were in.
That was one of the harder ones

942
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,040
to patch together.
I know Woody did a good job at

943
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,640
talking about it and Tanya
didn't discuss it.

944
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,480
I don't think she talked about
it at all in her book.

945
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:31,200
I wish she did.
But I see the, the thing that

946
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:35,520
the thing that sucks about other
than, you know, the simple fact

947
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,360
that, that she's gone, which is
sad.

948
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:43,760
But what's, what really sucks
about the the loss of Tanya when

949
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:48,200
it comes to the injured cold
story is that this feels like

950
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,360
this is the end of the line,
like you were talking about

951
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:54,320
earlier.
And that's, that's where I was

952
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,600
really getting to when I, when I
was saying, you know, it's, it's

953
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,840
really, really cool that you got
some of the stuff down on black

954
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:07,440
and white because as you've
mentioned in your book, you're

955
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:11,800
not taking the words or you're
not retelling Woody's or Tanya's

956
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,880
story.
You're, you're filling in the

957
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,960
blanks.
And this is, you know, this is

958
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,200
for anybody listening, right?
This is what this book is.

959
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:25,480
This is, this is Ash.
This is Asher's finishing some

960
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,680
unfinished work is what this is,
this is, this is the details

961
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:32,880
that were not included in
Tanya's or, or Woody's books.

962
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:37,400
So highly recommended that if
you want the entire story of the

963
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:43,480
injured cold story, you need to
grab visitors from Landulos and

964
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:49,040
beyond Landulos from Woody and
Tanya, and then grab Asher's

965
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:56,880
book as well because she's going
to fill in a lot of the gaps and

966
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:03,920
add additional information that
never made it out because.

967
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:07,680
Tanya's life unfortunately
ended.

968
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:14,400
Now I, I am excited to hear,
like you said before that there

969
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,720
that she was working on another
piece and that you pass it on to

970
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,760
her children.
I hope that her children do do

971
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,520
something with that.
That would be really cool.

972
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,480
But if if I heard you right, you
said that there wasn't really

973
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:29,320
anything.
New in it?

974
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:34,080
No, not really.
You know, it, it just, it's

975
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:39,840
just, you know, she starts to
kind of go and and I didn't

976
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,360
really include this part in
there because remember when

977
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,680
Indra died in Tanya's world?
Yeah, yeah.

978
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,960
Oh man, Yes I do.
And that just kind of muddied

979
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,960
the waters a little bit more.
You know, she kind of goes into,

980
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,760
I mean, I guess I'll just say it
more details about like where he

981
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:01,920
was staying, kind of potentially
the healing process that he went

982
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,480
to.
So, you know, she says he did

983
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:10,240
get into like a spaceship
accident, but he was found by a

984
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,320
mountain Mama.
He was found by some woman in

985
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:16,720
Appalachia in Kentucky and went
and stayed there.

986
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:25,160
And you know, I think I think a
lot of that has to do with

987
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:29,360
Hellyer and kind of the
direction that they were going

988
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:33,840
with because remember in
Hellier, they allegedly knew

989
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,800
where I think they I think we're
injured, cold lived at one point

990
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,840
and it was in a small town in
Kentucky.

991
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,640
And you know, that was no
secret, right?

992
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,080
That was all you watch it right
now.

993
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:50,160
It's free on YouTube.
Go check that out.

994
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:54,960
And, you know, then kind of Alan
Greenfield kind of got involved

995
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:56,280
with it all.
I mean, he had kind of been

996
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:57,400
involved with it all a little
bit.

997
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,160
Greenfield He's, if you haven't
had him on the show yet, get him

998
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,200
on the show while you can.
Alan Greenfield.

999
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:04,600
Alan Greenfield.
Yeah.

1000
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,320
Oh, oh, you.
You don't know about Alan

1001
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:08,520
Greenfield.
That's a conversation.

1002
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,480
Hold on, hold on.
Let me let me look him up.

1003
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:11,640
I might know him.
Hold on.

1004
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,840
He's the.
Set the name sounds familiar.

1005
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,200
Yeah, he's a, he's a character.
Oh no, he'll tell you some shit.

1006
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,800
Yeah, he's.
Yeah, he's get him on you.

1007
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,520
You won't be allowed to say
anything, so don't research

1008
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,200
anything going into it.
Just get him on.

1009
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:30,080
Let him go.
Oh.

1010
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,360
Men in men in black, huh?
Oh yeah.

1011
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:38,840
Yes, Alan Greenfield.
Yes, love him.

1012
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,160
I do.
I love talking to him, but he's

1013
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,760
hard to talk to about like, you
know, if I have a question about

1014
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,440
something specific, it's never
just that.

1015
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,800
It's always 4 hours of
everything else and then maybe

1016
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,840
15 minutes of that.
Really.

1017
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:52,720
Yeah.
So Alan Greenfield, well, he's

1018
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:56,800
the one who took the picture of
Dim Hassan at the UFO

1019
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,800
convention.
So anyway, you know, so I don't

1020
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:04,400
know.
I mean, I'll RIP the Band-Aid

1021
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,040
off.
I don't think Tanya had contact

1022
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,040
with injured cold after a
certain age.

1023
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:10,960
I don't.
Yeah.

1024
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:16,560
Well, I think that Andrew, it's
real.

1025
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,240
I think that really happened to
Woodrow Terenberger.

1026
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:28,320
I think that's it affected Tanya
a lot, You know, especially

1027
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,560
knowing I said this, you know,
she was adopted.

1028
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:35,960
Well, this is the conclusion I
come to, but there's but wait,

1029
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:37,560
there's more after that and
we'll get there.

1030
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,560
But to wrap it up, I mean, when
I wrote the book, when I started

1031
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:43,520
sitting down to write it, that's
the story I was writing.

1032
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,960
This didn't happen to Tanya, it
happened to Woody, and it

1033
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:50,360
affected Tanya in a big way.
So again, she was adopted.

1034
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,280
She already lost one father, her
biological father.

1035
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,240
We don't know where, who, who or
what.

1036
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:59,440
You know what the deal is there.
And child, early childhood

1037
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,240
development's a very interesting
thing.

1038
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,920
So she gets adopted by this man
who takes on that role.

1039
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,600
And I think they did have a
really loving relationship.

1040
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,160
But again, she's four years old
when this happens.

1041
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,480
And when this happens, it took
her dad away.

1042
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:18,680
And I think that that was really
damaging for her.

1043
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,160
The way that she speaks about
Indred is the way that you would

1044
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,400
speak about your dad that you
love.

1045
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,480
She talks about how Indrid's her
protector.

1046
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,400
He's always going to make sure
that, you know, nothing bad

1047
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,960
happens to her.
And he's always kind of just

1048
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,560
barely there when something
unfortunate is happening.

1049
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,040
And Tanya had a very unfortunate
life and there was always

1050
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:39,560
something unfortunate happening
to her.

1051
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,240
She talks about Woodrow like,
oh, I was the daddy's girl.

1052
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,520
I think she said on your guys
show I was the daddy's girl.

1053
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,520
And no, she wasn't.
Maybe she was initially, but she

1054
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,400
wasn't.
After all this happened, he was

1055
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:56,240
never home.
They got divorced when she was a

1056
01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:00,680
teenager and her mom moved them
a totally to a totally different

1057
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,880
state.
And then her and Woody didn't

1058
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:05,560
seem to have a relationship
after that.

1059
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:09,200
I, I think that all of that was,
was real.

1060
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,880
I don't know if his family came
and they ate hot dogs in the

1061
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:13,600
backyard.
I don't know if that's true.

1062
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:20,080
I feel like it probably wasn't,
but that doesn't matter.

1063
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:23,840
You know, I think that Tanya did
use this story eventually to

1064
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,680
cope.
And then she learned that she

1065
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:31,040
could gain things out of it.
And that's what I thought.

1066
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,120
That's what I was sold on.
That's the story.

1067
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:40,080
But I don't know, I'm not so
sure of that now, so.

1068
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:46,560
No, it's, it's, it's, it's a
breath of fresh air to hear you

1069
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:53,520
say that because it's, you know,
being in the community, it's

1070
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:57,480
always, you're always hesitant
to say things like that, right?

1071
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,880
Because you never know who
you're going to piss off

1072
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:08,400
Special, especially in the
stupid world that is Facebook

1073
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:13,280
freaking groups and, and Twitter
and, and Instagram and, you

1074
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,920
know, and everyone's got their
stupid opinions about stupid

1075
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:20,240
things.
And, and it's, you know,

1076
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:24,360
somebody out there or a lot of
people out there may be really

1077
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,160
attached to the Andrew Cold
story, especially, you know,

1078
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:31,560
I'd, I'd love thank you so much.
I this is, this is the thing

1079
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:33,600
that I wanted to, to say.
This is what I forgot.

1080
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,120
Thank you for calling out the
stupid smiling man bullshit.

1081
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:42,120
That is so stupid.
I, I called that out in in my

1082
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,080
series too.
It's so stupid.

1083
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:45,840
I don't know where the hell they
got that from.

1084
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:52,560
Sorry, but it's it's yeah, it
it's, it's, it's ridiculous.

1085
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:56,440
There's no connection between
the grinning man and and and

1086
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,640
Andrew cold.
There is what?

1087
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:00,200
Are you getting all worked up
over?

1088
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:04,640
The the Grinning Man there,
there is a paranormal entity

1089
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,120
known as the Grinning Man.
Right?

1090
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:09,160
OK, but it's not injured Cold.
It's a completely separate

1091
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,640
entity and it has nothing to do
with injured cold.

1092
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,520
OK.
The injured cold isn't watching

1093
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,000
you sleep.
He's not watching, you know,

1094
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:18,560
hanging over you.
He's not.

1095
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:22,640
The reason why you have He's not
watching you sleep, he's

1096
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:26,680
watching at your sleep probably.
Maybe.

1097
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:28,160
Yeah, no.
He's just like this.

1098
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,360
He's like I, I read your
introduction.

1099
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:32,960
I'm here.
I'm here.

1100
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:38,400
You gotta kiss her on her
forehead and whisper sweet

1101
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,840
nothing.
Tanya said you were looking for

1102
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:43,640
me.
Sorry.

1103
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:45,680
That was, that was, that was
terrible.

1104
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,480
I hope it happens that way.
I just hope it happens.

1105
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:50,560
I don't care how it happens, I
just want that happen.

1106
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:53,280
That would, that would be cool.
That would be really cool.

1107
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,400
Could you?
Could you like that?

1108
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,480
Would I?
I want it to happen.

1109
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:01,640
Not to freak you out, but I just
want it to happen because I

1110
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:03,920
want.
I want Tanya to prove us all

1111
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:05,480
wrong, right?
You know what?

1112
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:09,040
If it just, if it happened that
way, nobody would believe me.

1113
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:10,800
Let's go.
They will.

1114
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,040
They wake up because you feel
something tickling your toes and

1115
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:20,000
it's injured, cold, your bed.
That that Bill Murray story that

1116
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,760
goes around every little bit.
He went in, he ate the French

1117
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,200
fry and and he looked at the
person and said, nobody's going

1118
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:26,439
to believe you.
And he's right.

1119
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:27,520
Nobody.
Believes that.

1120
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:29,920
That's what it's going to be.
Oh.

1121
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:32,080
Man, that's great.
Yeah.

1122
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:37,520
But yes, there's a there's a
weird smiling entity that that

1123
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,359
has a creepy grin on its face
and people see it and I get tons

1124
01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:42,520
of reports of people seeing it
right, especially being the

1125
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,479
injured cold person and that's
not injured.

1126
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:49,040
It's not injured.
Are they saying something?

1127
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,479
I'm sure.
But it's not Andrew Cold.

1128
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:56,960
But I, I totally agree with you
that the injured cold story is a

1129
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:01,040
Woody Derenberger story.
I don't, I, I agree that I do

1130
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,720
not believe, you know, I, I hate
to say it out loud because I

1131
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,640
don't think I've ever said it
out loud, you know, because I, I

1132
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:11,359
do, I, I respect Tanya, you
know, and I, I don't want to be

1133
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:15,560
that guy and I'm hesitant to say
it, but I don't believe that

1134
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:22,000
Tanya ever had a, an adult
relationship or a relationship

1135
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:23,680
with Andrew Cold in her adult
life.

1136
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:34,000
You know, she may have had a
relationship with, with one of

1137
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,680
his kids, you know, when, when
they brought him over.

1138
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:40,080
But I, I think the only thing
that you can really look is

1139
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:43,319
Canon is the, the Andrew Cold
book.

1140
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,319
You have to be careful when you
get into Tanya's book.

1141
01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:49,479
You have to be really careful
when you get into Great Barker's

1142
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:54,120
book, and you have to be careful
even when you get into John

1143
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:55,480
Keel.
And I love John Keel.

1144
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,320
I absolutely adore John Keel's
work.

1145
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,200
I, I just love his mind.
I love everything about John

1146
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:03,160
Keel.
But even, you know, when you get

1147
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,720
into the Mothman Prophecies, you
got to be careful with some of

1148
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:09,360
the information that he had had
gotten a hold of because you

1149
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,160
have to look at his sources.
You know, he trusted Greg Barker

1150
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,680
a lot.
And we've learned that Greg

1151
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,640
Barker wasn't really the best of
sources.

1152
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,960
You know, after he passed away,
it all came out that he he

1153
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,920
literally had the opinion that a
lot of this was bogus.

1154
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:28,360
And he had, you know, it was
came out from his wife that that

1155
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,440
he had admitted to her multiple
times that he was doing this

1156
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:35,720
just because this paid the
bills, you know, And and if you

1157
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:41,720
look at the books that he wrote,
he had all, you know, he had a

1158
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:45,720
multitude of new information
that nobody else did on all the

1159
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:53,080
big subjects.
I wonder why, you know, So,

1160
01:10:56,520 --> 01:11:02,440
yeah, I, I agree, IA 100% agree.
Yeah.

1161
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:08,480
Well, and again, as much as I
would love to say case closed,

1162
01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:10,320
that's the end of it.
We'll never see injured cold

1163
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:14,320
again.
Why don't I issue the bombshell

1164
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:17,200
of the bug?
If you want the proof it's in

1165
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:18,360
there, you can go look at it
yourself.

1166
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:19,880
Don't.
Don't.

1167
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:21,240
Don't share.
Give them something to read.

1168
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,920
Yeah, I ordered your book just
now.

1169
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:30,600
If you if you throw in spoilers,
I am going to cancel my order

1170
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:32,840
right now.
Skeeter.

1171
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,640
Skeeter also answered.
Ordered your book too.

1172
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:37,640
Yeah, well.
Thank you.

1173
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,160
Yeah, we'll be forced to cancel
our orders.

1174
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:44,960
I don't even know how to read,
but I'm going to.

1175
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:46,640
I'm going to try just for you
learn.

1176
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:48,720
How to read Just to read my book
you should.

1177
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,880
You should, yeah.
No, go ahead if, if, if you want

1178
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:53,680
to go ahead you.
It's important.

1179
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:54,800
It's important.
It's all yours, I.

1180
01:11:55,600 --> 01:12:02,880
Don't want to leave it there so
I I gave my first lecture about

1181
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:07,600
injured cold in June of last
year 2024.

1182
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:09,240
What's this year?
I don't even know.

1183
01:12:09,480 --> 01:12:15,560
I think it was last year and you
know, it's mostly came to the

1184
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,640
conclusion of, you know, Tanya's
just crazy, right?

1185
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:22,520
And this never really happened.
But while I'm, you know, gearing

1186
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:26,160
up for this talk, even though I
don't do a formal presentation,

1187
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,800
I do like a like a background of
like where you can follow me or

1188
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:32,400
whatever.
And and then I'll do some like

1189
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:34,600
notes for myself on my phone
that way I have them.

1190
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:39,920
And while I'm doing all that,
something strange started

1191
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,080
happening.
So you know, Jeremy kind of

1192
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,600
knows my podcast went through a
lot of changes on Wednesdays.

1193
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,920
We talk weird.
Got our new Co host for the

1194
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,200
show, Tobias Whelan.
Great love him.

1195
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:54,360
He's doing awesome on the show.
You know, we're we kind of have

1196
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:58,240
these meetings every little bit
the show definitely went from a

1197
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,760
little more amateur to a little
more professional kind of

1198
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,360
recently.
And we're trying to spit a lot

1199
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,640
different ideas, right.
And and what do the kids love?

1200
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,280
We want to get a younger
demographic attracted to the

1201
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:09,720
show.
And what do they love?

1202
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:11,360
They love TikTok short form
content.

1203
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:14,960
Me and Tobias are both
millennials.

1204
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:18,000
He's an elder millennial.
I'm I'm on the younger end of

1205
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,320
the spectrum, but we don't know
how to TikTok.

1206
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:25,760
We're not good at that.
So which is crazy because

1207
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,200
everybody says I'd be great at
it and they're probably right,

1208
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:31,680
but I don't know how y'all.
So, you know, we're talking

1209
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:34,520
about just throwing some clips
up on TikTok of the podcast,

1210
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:36,400
getting people to go listen to
the actual thing.

1211
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:38,880
What, you know, how can we learn
how to do this?

1212
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:40,280
And I was like, well, I'll
download it again.

1213
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:41,520
I've had it before, couldn't
figure it out.

1214
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:42,800
Let me download it again.
I'll play with it.

1215
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,680
So I do, I download it again,
log in with my same credentials

1216
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:50,560
and I start getting a weird
notification.

1217
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:55,960
And the notification would say,
you know, Tanya Derrenberger's

1218
01:13:56,040 --> 01:14:00,840
is following you.
And I was like, weird.

1219
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,160
The first time it happened, it
was it was just her name.

1220
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,160
And I went to the app, I open it
up and and it'll tell you all

1221
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,400
your notifications, you know,
right there in order, just like

1222
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:09,320
an app.
And there was no new

1223
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,920
notification of anybody named
Tanya Damberger following me.

1224
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:16,120
And she was already dead at this
point, at least by a year,

1225
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:20,560
right?
And so I closed it, didn't think

1226
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,920
anything of it, right.
TikTok, it's the Chinese app.

1227
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,560
It's got lots of issues.
Apps do that.

1228
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:29,600
Oh, I should do that, yeah.
All apps have those issues.

1229
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:33,080
But then it happened again.
And then it started saying,

1230
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,840
Tanya Darenberger and, you know,
nine other people are following

1231
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:38,360
you.
And I'm like, what is this?

1232
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,640
And I go to the app and I could
see where like, somebody

1233
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:45,560
followed me like weeks ago.
And I'm like, OK, does Tanya

1234
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,400
even have TikTok?
I go and look, she does have

1235
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:50,360
TikTok.
Was she following me?

1236
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:54,600
She was following me.
As a matter of fact, TikTok will

1237
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:56,880
tell you exactly the date that
somebody started following you.

1238
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,640
And she started following me
back in February.

1239
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:03,200
Actually, it was Valentine's Day
that right before she died.

1240
01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:09,040
So definitely I wasn't active
then at the time, it was her

1241
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,760
Tiktok account.
It was, it was definitely hers,

1242
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:16,040
but no, no activity on it at all
because you know, she died like

1243
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:19,920
two months later and you know,
but this kept happening again

1244
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:21,840
and again and again.
And so I go and I give the talk

1245
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:25,000
about indred.
Even though I didn't get any

1246
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,280
indred cold leads, I did get a a
super interestingly and I

1247
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,320
actually ended up having a break
from story over on the podcast

1248
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:33,480
so she could check that out
about a guy named Jack Overby

1249
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:38,080
who had on his gravestone
transcribed in his grave.

1250
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:42,320
Deceased had contacts and
conversations with outer space

1251
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:47,480
life from the year 1928 until
death, which is a whole, like I

1252
01:15:47,480 --> 01:15:50,120
said, it's a whole rabbit hole
and I I didn't really catalogue

1253
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:51,840
it in the book.
I might do its own book on it,

1254
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:54,840
but somebody was like, could
that be injured?

1255
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:58,240
And I'm like, I don't know.
I mean, hell, in 1928, that

1256
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:01,680
predates Roswell, that predates
modern ufology.

1257
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:05,360
Super interesting story.
Not injured, cold.

1258
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:09,960
The beings he saw were like an
ethereal skeleton and a little

1259
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:16,040
Green Man that came from space.
Anyway, So, you know, kind of

1260
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:18,000
got busy with that story a
little bit because somebody had

1261
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:19,480
approached me and asked if I
knew anything about the

1262
01:16:19,480 --> 01:16:21,360
gravestone.
It was on his and his mom's

1263
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:26,760
gravestone and I'd never heard
of it and nobody had, you know,

1264
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:28,680
I thought I'd be able to go home
and Google search what these

1265
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,480
gravestones were and nobody knew
the story.

1266
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:34,680
Eventually I found out the story
and I just found that out like

1267
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,080
two months ago.
So awesome.

1268
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:43,560
Anyway, so I'm also trying to
come up with some explanation

1269
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:48,120
for this TikTok situation.
Meanwhile, I'm also looking into

1270
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,640
different ways to try to
communicate with Injured Cold.

1271
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,960
If he's again, if he's real,
surely I can reach him.

1272
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:59,000
I know he speaks telepathically.
What can I do?

1273
01:16:59,960 --> 01:17:02,040
I start doing spirit box
sessions.

1274
01:17:02,440 --> 01:17:08,120
I made an injured cold shrine in
my bedroom because if you want

1275
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:11,960
to contact certain gods and
goddesses, that's what you do.

1276
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,600
I'm going to start this hasn't
it hasn't happened yet, but I'm

1277
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,560
going to start doing CE 5
sessions where's.

1278
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:20,400
Are you really?
I am, yeah.

1279
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,320
When it gets warmer outside, I
sure am to try to contact Indra.

1280
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:29,560
I found a medium, a couple who's
a husband and wife medium who

1281
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:34,080
claims to talk to not ghosts but
aliens, and tried to kind of get

1282
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:35,760
them involved.
I'm like, great, you can help me

1283
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,360
talk to Indra.
They wanted to charge me like

1284
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:44,480
$200.00 and I'm not paying that.
So it's not happening.

1285
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:47,680
But I'm definitely, you know,
looking for other ways to try to

1286
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:49,320
make contact with this guy,
right?

1287
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:52,720
And so far, nothing's worked.
Doesn't mean nothing will just

1288
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,960
so far nothing has.
And all the while the entered

1289
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,320
cold notification, I'm sorry,
the tiny Derburger notifications

1290
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:03,400
continue.
And you know, I got to the point

1291
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:06,160
to where I was like, OK, I, I
started posting them every time

1292
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:08,760
that happened on social media
and people were like, oh, it's

1293
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:12,320
just a bot account.
It's just created a new Tanya

1294
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:15,800
Darenberger account.
It was none of those things.

1295
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:19,360
It, it just wasn't.
There was no indication that it

1296
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:21,600
was.
And so eventually I get the

1297
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,760
bright idea to message the
account myself.

1298
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:29,760
And I, and I said hello and it
didn't send the message, didn't

1299
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:31,600
send on TikTok.
And that was weird.

1300
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:34,720
Maybe about a month later, I
don't have, I don't have it in

1301
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:36,320
front of me.
Sometime later, I get the

1302
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:39,640
notification again.
I send another hello and it

1303
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:44,040
didn't go through.
And at this point, I was getting

1304
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:47,160
like multiple notifications a
week.

1305
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:50,840
And I would sit and I would, you
know, catalog what it was I was

1306
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:53,320
doing at that time.
Was there something significant

1307
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,120
to what I was doing compared to
when I was getting these

1308
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,040
messages?
I'd found no correlation.

1309
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:03,640
But one time it popped up and I
messaged it again and I said

1310
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:10,640
hello and the message sent and I
said indrid question mark and

1311
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:17,440
it's sense but indrid code left
me on red and never responded.

1312
01:19:17,440 --> 01:19:22,720
That's a piece of crap.
It really hurt my feelings, but

1313
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:25,320
the true story it it's the I've
got the screenshot of it in the

1314
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:27,560
book.
We'll go look at it.

1315
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:32,160
That actually happened and the
notifications have stopped ever

1316
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:36,120
since then.
So and I know that sounds so

1317
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:39,400
stupid, right?
It's TikTok woman.

1318
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:41,880
This isn't proof of anything.
I guess so.

1319
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:45,280
But before this point, every
time I did a show about injured

1320
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,640
cold, we wouldn't be able to get
through it.

1321
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:50,120
We'd have to reschedule for
another day.

1322
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:54,600
We'd have connection issues.
Electrical issues are things

1323
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:58,040
that tend to happen in high
strangeness especially, and

1324
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:02,000
things surrounding those Ohio
River Valley High strangeness

1325
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,120
events.
Oh yeah, Different things I was

1326
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:08,080
telling my daughter about at one
time, and she was, she plays

1327
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:09,560
this game, it's called Slime
Rancher.

1328
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:13,440
And she was on the Wikipedia
page, and while we're talking

1329
01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:15,800
about Android, all of a sudden
the whole Wikipedia page

1330
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:18,000
crashes.
And it's like, again, none of

1331
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,920
this would matter on its own,
but it's the fact that it would

1332
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:22,440
happen every single time that
was.

1333
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:26,520
Fucking weird.
And so, you know, here I am now

1334
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:29,120
in the next logical stuff that I
had, you know, I wanted to try

1335
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:32,600
to investigate a little bit more
because the book, you know, I'll

1336
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,760
be honest with you, I'm
self-conscious about its size.

1337
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:38,440
I wanted it to be big and thick
and dumb.

1338
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,080
You know, there's nothing else
to add right now.

1339
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:47,360
And I needed to get it out there
because I, I need everybody's

1340
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:52,080
help to, to try to maybe come up
with some more ideas.

1341
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,960
Maybe we can all do a session
together, We can all do CE5

1342
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:57,640
together while we sit and
meditate and try to make contact

1343
01:20:57,640 --> 01:20:58,560
with injured.
I don't know.

1344
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,720
I'm here for it, man.
Whatever it is, it sounds nuts,

1345
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:05,160
but you know, if I'm going to go
off the deep end, I'm, I'm

1346
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:06,600
diving in head first.
Let's do it.

1347
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:12,240
Well, like, like I said, it's a,
it's definitely an accent piece,

1348
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:16,560
right?
It's I, I don't think you have

1349
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:18,680
anything to worry about.
You know, anybody who knows the

1350
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:21,000
injured cold story knows the
value of the information that's

1351
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,040
in it.
It's, it's good stuff, right?

1352
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:26,920
It's, it's a very valuable
additional information.

1353
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:28,720
And I, I like the way that you
approach it, right?

1354
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:36,440
You clearly say that you're not
here to, to RIP off Woody or, or

1355
01:21:36,440 --> 01:21:38,480
Tanya, right?
You're here to add to their

1356
01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:44,320
story because neither of them
are here to do it right, Which

1357
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:47,520
is, which is great.
That's, that's the way it should

1358
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:52,040
be done, especially in somebody
in your position, right.

1359
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:55,560
You had that, that personal
connection with Tanya.

1360
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,440
And you know, I applaud you for
that.

1361
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:03,600
You know, at, at some, some
point, you know, I, I will be

1362
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,920
doing a book of, of all my
favorite subjects.

1363
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,600
And you know, I'm going to touch
on Android as well.

1364
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:15,840
I probably will, you know, visit
it from, you know, some I'll

1365
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:22,640
probably tell the story, you
know, and tell my experiences

1366
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:27,760
with with Tanya.
But you have a lot of stuff that

1367
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,000
nobody else will ever have,
right.

1368
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:32,440
You had in person stuff.
And that's what's in this book

1369
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,280
that that's that's the stuff
that makes this book valuable.

1370
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:38,120
So I don't think you have
anything to worry about.

1371
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:42,680
I I had fun reading the book.
And, you know, at the end of the

1372
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:44,080
day, I mean, that's what it is,
yeah.

1373
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:45,600
I could pad it with a bunch of
bullshit.

1374
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,720
I could talk about He Who Shall
not be Named, who is not named

1375
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:51,720
in the book and all that more
that's added into it.

1376
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:54,760
But I didn't want to do that.
I wanted it to be genuine.

1377
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,280
You know, that's the hard part.
I think I mentioned that in the

1378
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:58,520
book.
That's the tough part about the

1379
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:01,800
Andrew Cold story is that there
are some very inconsistent

1380
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:04,720
resources for it.
There's not a good reference

1381
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:08,360
guide.
And I, I wanted to to kind of

1382
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:13,480
make that as well, you know, on
top of adding what I've learned

1383
01:23:13,480 --> 01:23:15,280
to it.
And, you know, who knows what

1384
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:17,520
I've learned could just be
complete bullshit.

1385
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:19,280
I don't know.
You know, Tanya could have lied

1386
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:21,920
the whole time.
Maybe she didn't lie at all.

1387
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,000
And maybe I'm the asshole for
calling her a liar.

1388
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:25,920
And maybe that's why injured
won't talk to me, right?

1389
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:30,920
I don't know.
But like, even even if it is,

1390
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,120
even if it is all bullshit,
right?

1391
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:37,080
The fact that it came from Tanya
and the fact that you were able

1392
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:43,720
to confirm that she did have a
parental connection with Woody,

1393
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:47,160
even if it wasn't blood, which
is fascinating because that I

1394
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:50,320
didn't know that, right?
That's incredible that you were

1395
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:53,600
able to to hammer that out, weed
through that and able to find

1396
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:57,000
out that she was adopted.
That's a, that's brand new

1397
01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:03,400
information.
That's awesome, right?

1398
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:07,240
That's information that you're
not going to get anywhere else.

1399
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:12,800
Exactly, Yeah.
So no, good job, very good job,

1400
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:13,720
I'll.
Take it.

1401
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:19,880
Very good job.
So that's all I got for you.

1402
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:27,000
I'm ready to go to bed.
Me too, I hate the time change.

1403
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:32,240
I wish it would jump off the
Cliff that I'm jumping off of.

1404
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:35,760
Well, no, I don't, because then
it goes with me right now, so it

1405
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:39,320
can stay here.
You stay algae up right?

1406
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:42,720
Well, it's exactly, Yeah, I'm
sleepy.

1407
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:44,720
But no, I appreciate you having
me on.

1408
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:47,200
You know, again, I think I said
in the book, and I'll stay here

1409
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:52,480
and I say it every time, if you
or anybody, you know, has a

1410
01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:59,400
relationship with Andrew Cold or
Demo Hassan or Carl Ardo or

1411
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,600
Clanel, I like Clanel.
I think he seems down to earth

1412
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:05,720
God, there's so many keep
there's so many other players

1413
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,480
besides injured and that's like
a thing that's like a whole it's

1414
01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:12,680
a whole universe right, The
injured verse that people

1415
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:13,640
should.
Be looking at the injured verse.

1416
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:16,800
Yeah, it is.
It's this whole thing.

1417
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:20,640
The one guy, well, I think Dim
Hassan was from Saturn, but he's

1418
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:22,360
not from Saturn.
We know he's not from Saturn.

1419
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:27,360
Nobody lives on Saturn.
We know that anyway, the

1420
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:31,720
nuances, but if you or anybody
you know has has been in contact

1421
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:35,040
with an alien life form that
looks human, it's it's kind of

1422
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:37,440
what I'm going for.
They have to look pretty human.

1423
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:41,800
And also especially if they talk
telepathically and they drive a

1424
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:43,800
black car.
Let me know.

1425
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:46,040
Hit me up.
I want their.

1426
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:51,560
Or or a beetle, right?
Usually a beetle.

1427
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:57,000
Usually a beetle.
That was Demo Hassan, and there

1428
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:58,600
was a female character in there,
wasn't there?

1429
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:03,760
There was and her name is weird
and hard to pronounce.

1430
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:06,120
Yeah, I can't remember it
either.

1431
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:09,360
Yeah, there was.
Again, there's a whole key of

1432
01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:12,280
other people that nobody talks
about.

1433
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:15,880
They all only talk about Andrew.
Yeah, the the the inclusion of a

1434
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:17,480
female character is kind of
weird.

1435
01:26:17,480 --> 01:26:21,440
Just in case anybody doesn't
know the whole story of Andrew

1436
01:26:21,440 --> 01:26:26,280
Cold it is.
There's been conflicting reports

1437
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:31,800
about females being able to
travel within the groups on.

1438
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:35,160
On Well, that's what Tanya said.
Tanya was the one who made that

1439
01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:37,120
claim.
Woody never said anything about

1440
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:41,240
that, which was one of those
inconsistencies.

1441
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:42,400
I do.
I have a part in the book where

1442
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:46,040
I kind of compare and contrast
her story versus her dad's and

1443
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:48,640
you know, that's one of them.
That was kind of strange,

1444
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:52,440
especially because Tanya says
that, you know, Kimmy and Kim

1445
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:57,360
Cumulus, which is injured's wife
and daughter both came to earth

1446
01:26:57,440 --> 01:27:00,040
and that's why I thought they
couldn't travel here, you know,

1447
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:04,240
But what an easy out, you know,
for her to have an excuse to

1448
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:10,000
have not gone the annulo so.
Yeah, well, I hope that one day

1449
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:14,080
I get to hear you guys, you and
Tobias, breakdown the Karl

1450
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:18,880
Higdon abduction story and dive.
Dive into Karl and Ozo.

1451
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:24,760
One that's the name of the alien
Ozo I I I would love to hear you

1452
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,720
guys break that down and see
what kind of parallels you can

1453
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:30,240
draw because I knew I I just.
Made that book so I don't forget

1454
01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:30,920
it.
Yeah, yeah.

1455
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:34,200
I'll, I'll send you a picture
here in a minute or I'll, I'll,

1456
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:36,040
you want me to send you an
Amazon link?

1457
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:37,680
I can do that.
Yeah, that's fine.

1458
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:43,600
But before we let you go, why
don't you go ahead and share

1459
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:49,080
your, your socials, your, your
podcasts, any, anything and let

1460
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:50,280
everybody know where they can
find you?

1461
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:53,280
That's right, I am cool enough
now to say that if you Google my

1462
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:56,080
name, I'll pop up, but I'll make
it simple for you.

1463
01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:59,840
You can find me talking weird
every Wednesday.

1464
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:03,840
On Wednesdays we talk weird
anywhere you listen to podcasts.

1465
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,000
You can find me on social media,
Facebook.

1466
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,520
I am Ashley Hilt.
I'm the one with the red hair.

1467
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:12,760
You can find me on Instagram or
Twitter X.

1468
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:17,160
I'm calling it Twitter at it's
Asher's with AZ.

1469
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,200
And like I said, if you just
Google me, you'll find what

1470
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:23,080
you're looking for, I'm sure.
Right on.

1471
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:29,240
All right, well, this one also
ran a little late, so I'm I'm

1472
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:33,320
not going to I'm not going to
share any artwork with anybody

1473
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:39,040
today or well, I guess I was
just being lazy.

1474
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:41,680
Jake, should I share my artwork
of the new show?

1475
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:43,960
Should I do it?
Sure.

1476
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:46,560
Sorry, I was quiet the whole
time.

1477
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:48,840
I was just listening and
researching what you guys were

1478
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:52,000
talking about.
So I have a million tabs open on

1479
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:55,000
my computer.
I'm like hot dogs and UFOs.

1480
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:59,160
All right?
Who was these researchers?

1481
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:03,120
I guess I'll I'll officially
announce the new show tonight.

1482
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:06,920
Sorry Ashers, I don't mean to
take away from your your fun.

1483
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:08,840
It's.
Your show man, do what you got

1484
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:10,680
to do.
I'll just, I'll just announce it

1485
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:12,680
real quick and then we'll, we'll
take off.

1486
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:18,000
All I need is for you to hang
out just for a second after

1487
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:21,160
we're done.
That way I can Riverside's going

1488
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:26,560
to download your audio and when
that is that you can go to bed.

1489
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:28,960
I'm a professional, I know how
this goes.

1490
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:36,480
All right, so everybody, I would
like to introduce you to

1491
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:45,760
Decoding Reality.
This is the new podcast that you

1492
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:50,360
will be seeing.
The target date is July 1st.

1493
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:56,000
That is when I am aiming for the
release of the first episodes.

1494
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:01,920
Wow.
If you are not watching live

1495
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:07,640
right now, you are not seeing
the artwork for the cover of

1496
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:11,080
Decoding Reality.
If you are not watching live,

1497
01:30:11,480 --> 01:30:13,800
there's a naked man on the
artwork.

1498
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:18,040
That's a naked big feats.
I'm sorry, a naked.

1499
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:20,520
Look at them thighs.
I do, man.

1500
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:23,800
Oh yeah, there's four, four sets
of thighs.

1501
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:26,880
Four sets of juicy thighs.
Yeah, yeah.

1502
01:30:27,480 --> 01:30:30,080
Ain't no way he's sneaking
around the woods with them

1503
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:31,440
things clapping, you know what
I'm saying?

1504
01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:36,240
Yeah.
But that is is it.

1505
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:43,560
This is my my documentary series
that is coming sometime this

1506
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:45,520
summer.
Targeted date July 1st.

1507
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:49,640
So hang tight.
And yeah.

1508
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:57,000
And then the the book cover is
still in the works, so that will

1509
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:59,360
be coming at a later date.
Hang tight.

1510
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:03,720
All right everybody, That has
been another episode of the

1511
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:08,200
Infinite Rabbit Hole podcast.
Ashers, thank you very much for

1512
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:13,600
showing up again.
I'm I can't say that I'm happy

1513
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:17,040
that I'm not forcing you into
another 10 hour stint.

1514
01:31:18,440 --> 01:31:21,000
We kept it to under 2 hours this
time so.

1515
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:22,600
It's impressive.
It's a first.

1516
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:27,800
It is a first, but there's
always next time.

1517
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:30,720
Yes.
And Speaking of next time, until

1518
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:36,120
next time, travelers, we'll see
you probably with Jeff next

1519
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:41,920
time, back to having no hair.
Yeah, no hair, not redhead,

1520
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:47,120
Jeff.
Maybe wearing a tinfoil hat, We

1521
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:50,240
don't know.
Right here in the next fork in

1522
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:52,040
the path of the infinite rabbit
hole.

1523
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:54,720
Goodbye everybody.
Goodbye.

1524
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:59,000
Yeah, say bye, Asher.
Oh bye bye Ashers.

1525
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:03,360
How, How?
How would they know?

1526
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:06,400
Yeah, I'm.
Sorry, love you.

1527
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:08,320
Bye.
Bye.

1528
01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:17,840
Hey everybody, thanks for
checking out the Infinite Rabbit

1529
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:19,880
Hole podcast.
If you're looking for more of

1530
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:23,080
our stuff, head on over to
infiniterabbithole.com where you

1531
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:25,760
can find links to all the
podcast players that we are

1532
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:29,280
available on and even our video
platforms such as TikTok and

1533
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:31,160
YouTube.
While you're there, make sure to

1534
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:34,160
check out all the links for our
socials and hit that follow so

1535
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:37,240
you know when all the new stuff
from our podcast comes out.

1536
01:32:37,480 --> 01:32:41,160
And until next time, travelers,
we'll see you right here in the

1537
01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:43,640
next fork in the path of the
Infinite Rabbit hole.

1538
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:44,640
Bye.