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Imagine that this line
represents a time to the present

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1985 Future Past prior to this
point in time somewhere in the.

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Past the timeline skewed into
this tangent, creating a law.

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Today 1985, alternate to you
need Einstein.

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From reality.
Everyone else, welcome back to

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the Infinite Rabbit Hole
Podcast.

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I'm your host, Jeremy, and today
we're diving into part two of

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our coverage on the Ozark
Heller.

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Same host, same topic, Jake.
How you doing man?

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Man, it has been a long week
since last episode.

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Let me tell you, I've even
changed my shirt.

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That Lauren knows all the
secrets now.

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Yeah, it's all done in one
night.

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Yeah, right.
They're good for a whole month.

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4 episodes in one night.
I think we've done a three

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parter before and that was the
worst experience I've had.

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Podcasting just yeah, we've I
think it's like 6 hours straight

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of podcasting and I was just
like, I just want to die.

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All right next to the bat.
CJ Ooh, you changed your name.

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It is no longer CJ His name's
fat ass now.

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So, fat ass, how you doing?
I'll do it.

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All right.
That's what you are.

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Hot Man did to see that.
Good guy.

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He did that to himself.
I didn't come up with that.

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So whoever's commenting on our
show saying that we're mean to

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each other, he did that himself.
He's fat.

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Shaming it.
You listen, listen, I'm fat and

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I'll call whoever I want fat.
Especially myself.

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Yeah, me too.
And then the guest who probably

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thinks that we're so fucked up,
she's like, yeah, I'm done

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listening to this stupid show.
I I've listened to pretty much

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the entire show in the span of a
month.

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I I think I already knew y'all
were messed up.

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You know, I I I miss doing this.
I miss like, talking shit to

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each other.
It's fun.

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I know.
Yeah, but then you fired me and

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Jake, so I did not.
I quit.

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No.
So did CJ.

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So did CJ.
You fucking quit too.

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I fired Andrew, but I didn't
fire you.

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And.
You fired Wes.

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What?
A bunch of quitters and I fired

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Wes.
And you fired Jeff and Kenzar.

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Okay.
No, I didn't fire Jeff and

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Kenzar.
You didn't fire them, you laid

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them.
I I love Jeff and Kenzar that.

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Like if I ever want to get back
to the infinite rabbit hole how

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it was, they're coming back 100.
All, yeah, furloughed.

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I was trying something new.
What you got great feedback of

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that actually.
Little thing too, is I'm going

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to put out a poll tomorrow.
Like people are going to be able

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to date this recording.
Put out a poll tomorrow whether

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or not people want me to do a
solo documentary episode with

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this to go along with this
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You know, because I've got a lot
of really good responses about

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the documentary, the new style
documentary episodes.

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Because the Ozark howler is so
interesting, you're gonna need a

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third episode documentary style
about it.

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Fucking H It's just so he can
hear himself talk.

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That's it.
That's it.

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That's it.
That's the only thing.

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But I mean if if if if not
enough people care, then I'm I'm

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not going to even bother the
time to edit it, just edit this.

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I'm going to vote 10 times.
No, I got you, man.

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I'm here for you then.
I'll vote 10 times yes to cancel

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that out.
Yeah, I'm getting pod chasing

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right now.
One of my bots.

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Hold on.
No, Get out of here.

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I'm going to leave 31 star
reviews on the podcast.

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All of them say documentaries
suck.

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We're finally starting to
recover, man.

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Don't do that.
I've given you a five star

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review from the code name
Benjamin.

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You even put it on Facebook.
You're like, thank you so much,

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Ben.
And I'm like, you're welcome.

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Was it you?
Yeah, that was what my name was

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supposed to be before my so my
before I was adopted, my last

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name was Schumann, and it was
actually Jacob Matthias

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Schumann.
But the thought of my name, my

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mom was thinking, was Benjamin
Jacob Schumann.

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Until my older brother said mom,
his initials would be Bj's.

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And she's like, he's like, Oh
yeah, probably shouldn't do

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that.
So yeah, just go by Ben every

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once in a while.
That's good.

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That's funny.
That's that's funny.

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I laughed.
You got two, five star reviews

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for me out of the three.
Yeah, I did as encouragement.

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Great.
Thanks man.

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Yeah, I got you.
All right, I'm gonna log into my

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account.
Digital assassin?

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Fuck you, dude.
No.

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How dare you say that name?
I I do think that that is

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somebody we know.
I just have a fucking feeling.

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About it too.
It has to be.

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It has to be.
It's Grayson.

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I hope not.
I I hope it's not somebody we

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know, because that's still it's.
Katie No, she doesn't even know

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how to leave a review.
All right, all right, let's get

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into some modern signings on
this thing.

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And she's a for real assassin.
She is.

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I'm actually on like my third
clone.

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This is not the real me.
I've never hung up a phone so

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fast in my life.
Then when I got in trouble for

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calling Jeremy.
What?

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The very first time I ever
called Jeremy's phone, he was

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watching a TV show with Katie.
And she, like, flipped out on

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me.
And I was like, I'm so sorry to

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hung up the phone.
And she's she's a she's a

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special one, man, let me tell
you, she's feisty.

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Yes, she is alright.
A man by the name of Ted

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Eccleston witnessed the call of
the creature in 1992 while

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camping in the Ozark National
Forest, who described it as

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starting off with a high pitched
sound and continued on a

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spectrum of a constantly
deepening tone.

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In 2007, the town of Forsyth,
MO, had a rash of sightings and

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audible episodes in which
strange sounds rang through the

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local area.
Laura Pour witnessed the howler

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from the safety of her car in
2008.

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She described the creature as
looking initially like a big

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ball of black fur and was the
size of a bear with longer fur

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all over its body and a long
tail.

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It simply darted across the road
as she came to a stop and she

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carried on with her drive,
nervous and a bit scared.

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A young woman by the name of
Michaela from Ozark, MO, wrote

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about her sighting of the
creature on June 18th, 2009.

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Her and her mother were driving
when her mother yelled Michaela

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look.
As she raised her gaze, she saw

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a large black creature that she
described as quote like a deer

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and a dog had a one night stand.
She continues to tell that

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growing up in the area you hear
about the creature, but she

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never thought that she would
actually see it.

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In 2011 it seemed to be making
its living in Newton County,

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Arkansas, as it was seen several
times during the year.

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In 2014, another flap of
sightings would ensue in

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September in the area between
Theodora and Isabel, Missouri,

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and in 2015 it appeared to have
migrated to Devil's Den State

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Park.
In February 2016, a man

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witnessed the creature near Lake
Springdale and Benton County,

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Arkansas.
His description of the beast was

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quote this mammal was the size
of a bear, very fast moving,

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mostly blackish and grayish, and
scared me and my son

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tremendously.
In 2017, Martha and Max Winchell

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were hiking through the Irish
wilderness of Mark Twain

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National Forest when the
creature appeared ahead of them

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on the pathway.
The couple from Kansas didn't

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know exactly what to do, so they
slowly moved away and decided it

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was best to just leave.
As they approached their car, a

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loud shrieking roar rang through
the area and the couple soon

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learned that the area was a
known stopping ground of the

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Ozark Howler.
In 2018, Derek and Sharon

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Gilbert claimed that they
witnessed the Howler attacked

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their cats in their backyard of
the house.

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Sharon described it as huge,
black, stocky and nimble and

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Derek claims have seen it
multiple times since July 27th,

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2018.
Terry Shroud and Dean Grain

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spotted the creature while
walking at night with their

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flashlights in the Marguerite
Bray conversation area near

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Rolla, MO.
They described that when they

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first saw it, it must have been
in the prone position as the

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only thing they saw was a low
lying black silhouette.

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They watched as the creature
rose up to about 6 feet tall and

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looked very much like a bear,
but had movements which reminded

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them more of a cat.
They were stunned that when it

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moved away it leaped up about
1520 feet up a ridgeline making

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just the slightest sounds.
A hunter in the summer of 2019

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described his experience with a
howler near Jasper AR as he was

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driving on Hwy. 256 quote What
shocked me the most and what was

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most memorable was the horns
coming out of its forehead.

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He went on to describe it was
very much like a cat.

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In 2020 the creature was
reported to have been making

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quite the ruckus with its
screams by Ginger Blue.

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Missouri, one such witness to
the sounds described it as a

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quote High pitched whining in a
distant deep yell, the same man

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claimed to record the sound,
which was eventually scared off

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or killed by a volley of
gunfire.

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Also in 2020, sightings along
Route 176 near Merriam Woods in

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Missouri claimed that the
creature was seen soaking wet

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and clear weather.
Side note, this may be key

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information as it might actually
lend us some info that this

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creature may spend time in the
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Not, of course, as an aquatic
creature, but at least enjoying

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a swim or maybe even making dens
in underwater caverns of some

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sorts.
Another interesting case from

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2020 includes a road crew that
reported a rather large number

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of unknown prints around the
work site in the morning before

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work and IN2021A Howler was
spotted feasting on white

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Pelicans as they made their
annual migration across the area

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by the Lake of the Ozarks.
Before we get too excited about

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these stories, I would like to
point out that world renowned

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cryptozoologist Lauren Coleman
did go on record as stating that

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most of the sightings that are
out there and many of the ones

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that we talked about all come
from the same person on various

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websites and forums but with
different usernames.

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How he determined that, I have
no idea.

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But I I do respect Lauren
Coleman's work and who he is.

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So I mean that that does have
some weight for me.

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What do you guys think?
Very interesting, very

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interesting.
Michaela definitely saw Man Bear

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Pig 100%.
And nice flap usage.

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We should tell Ashers we will
not.

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You know, I'm less likely and
not in all circumstances like

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with Bigfoot, I'm kind of like,
even in the middle as far as

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like old sightings, new
sightings.

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Because there's, you know, seems
to be a decent amount of

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photographic and video evidence
starting to come out now.

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But when it comes to other types
of cryptids, I'm less inclined

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to believe more recent accounts
or accounts because with lack of

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photographic evidence.
Now I'm not saying that I have

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my phone out recording at all
times so that if anything jumps

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out at me while I'm on a hike or
whatever it is, I'll have it

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recorded.
But when someone like I want to

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say it was the the couple, the
couple that it like came back

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over and over again.
I had one person key my truck

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and I got some blink, you know,
Bluetooth cameras and installed

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them in front of my house where
my driveway is.

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If I saw something crazy like
that and then again I'd put out

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some cameras, it wouldn't cost
me really anything and just have

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them recording.
So if it came back again I'd be

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able to capture it.
So when there's, you know,

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things like that, I'm less
likely to believe it, especially

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since we're in this age in this
realm of videography and and

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photographs and all that sort of
stuff.

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But then you said at the end
that.

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Where all of these accounts came
from?

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The same person with different
usernames now, most of them.

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So Lauren Coleman, he does a lot
of books, a lot of books and he

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does a lot of forums and stuff.
He's a very, very, he's probably

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the world, the most world famous
script as well.

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They're just still alive.
I mean you had the Bernard

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Wavelman and and a couple others
out there that are very popular,

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but they all passed away.
Lauren Coleman, when he speaks,

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the community listens and he I
don't know exactly which ones he

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was talking about, but he did
say that all of them were from

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the same poster by different
different names.

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I I guess the only way you can
confirm that is by IP address,

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right?
Lauren, jump in because I think

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this is more in your realm of
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Technology, computers and I,
unless it's Excel, we do not get

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along.
So I thought, that's not

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engineer, you know.
Anyways.

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So in order to actually confirm
that, he would actually need

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that person to admit, like
verbally admit that they were

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the same person on multiple
accounts, or you would have to

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have some sort of legal
precedence to file what's called

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a John Doe lawsuit with an ISP
to obtain.

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Information based on where
things came from IP wise and

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whatnot.
I don't unless he did.

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Something illegal he could have
done.

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Something illegal and hacked
him, maybe.

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Now I know Lauren Coleman takes
cryptozoology extremely,

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extremely serious.
He has a he has a really popular

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museum in Maine.
It is the International

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Cryptozoology Museum.
And it's, I mean, the guy.

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He is very passionate about
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His books are fantastic.
So I mean, maybe he did take a

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little offense to people coming
out with so much shit that he

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thought was complete BS.
He could also have interviewed

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the guy and been like for one of
his accounts and then found out

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to be complete BS and then been
like, all right, cut the crap,

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you know what's going on maybe.
Definitely could have.

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And then make the guy admit it.
I don't know if you.

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Missed the legal pics or it
didn't happen?

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There are photos of a supposed
Ozark tower and.

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I'm not horribly inclined to
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but I do think it's interesting.
The one account that Jeremy was

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going over about it looked like
a mix between a dog and a deer,

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because that's exactly what that
photo looks like to me.

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It looks like some kind of dog
thylacine looking thing with

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some antlers on it.
That looks like a fucked up Fiji

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mermaid version, like somebody
took multiple animals and glued

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them together.
Are you looking at the pictures?

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Yeah, it looks.
Like, like it's it looks exactly

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like the same that like the same
president as a Fiji mermaid.

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Like they took multiple animals,
taxidermized them and then glued

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them together.
But this is walking around.

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Like there's actually a video
clip of this thing walking.

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This is, it's not just still
frame so.

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You can you can I I you could
put mechanical.

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You can't glue antlers on a dog.
I don't think that's a dog, man.

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I really do that.
Looks like a weasel.

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It looks like it it looks.
What the hell?

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It does look very thylacine.
Ish.

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It doesn't looks like a
marsupial the with that tail.

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Looks like a mutt.
But you could easily.

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You could shave a dog's tail,
yeah, but then not that long.

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It's not gonna be that long.
Look at that, put mechanical

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parts in there and and remote
control it to walk around like.

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The legs look like a dog's.
Yeah, but OK, so.

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It's got the same backwards
knees or the other tall ankles.

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It does go into the pad like
like Lauren was saying.

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So did the the Tasmanian tiger.
Same thing it had.

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I mean, the thing looked caned
from the outside, everything

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about it looked caned, But it's
a marsupial.

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Sure, Jake, you got these
pictures up.

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Yeah, I'm I'm looking at just
pictures on Google.

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It looks like a dog with
antlers.

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I I don't think so.
And a shaved tail.

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I don't.
And I don't know when these

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pictures came out.
I meant to look and see, like

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when they came out.
I'm seeing dates as far back as

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2015.
I mean, you can't do the AI

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thing because that wasn't around
back then.

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So you'd have to go with
something physical like what CJ

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was saying, where you have to
dress up a dog.

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So I think that's a body of a
dog that's the head of a badger

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antlers or something.
But I don't think that's a dog.

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And the tail, The tail is very.
Rat like.

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Yeah, but I mean like, you could
get like tails like that off of

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like, shit.
I can't remember what the

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animal's called.
I'm picturing it in my head,

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but.
That's awesome.

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I think here's the thing, man,
is I think you it's just too

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much work.
That's too much work.

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I mean, I know a lot of people.
Going into it with the Fiji

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Mermaid, multiple Fiji mermaids,
Fiji mermaid was bullshit from

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the get go.
Everybody knew that.

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Come on man.
I mean there there was no old

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man.
I don't think so.

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I I mean, I can't say that it's
complete bullshit until.

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Shit.
Shit, I'm leaving that in.

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Yeah, I'm sorry.
I'm trying to watch the video of

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this thing walking around.
But then again, you know, I'm a

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Christian guy and I believe in
the awesomeness of God's

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creation, and we would be having
this exact same, you know,

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conversation if no one knew what
a platypus was and was like,

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this is ridiculous, this is
complete horse crap.

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Look at this kind of duck bill.
You know, like a was it a a

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Beaver tail on that stuff?
And Poison Spurs is ridiculous,

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so who knows?
I don't know.

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So wait, where's this video of
this thing walking around?

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Because I'm trying to find.
Yeah, I saw a clip of it, man.

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I don't know where the hell I
saw it.

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Because, I mean with today's CGI
or even like our modern day

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robotics, it wouldn't even be
that expensive to make something

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that size walk and look somewhat
natural.

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I just, I'm, you know, like, I
don't know, man.

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I'm just looking at the
structure of this thing.

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I'm getting a lot of alerts
about you, CJ About me?

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Yeah, Participant.
Fat Ass is having a problem.

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Yes, he is.
Ohh yeah it's.

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Probably because I have.
It's probably because I have

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YouTube on.
Ohh yeah, maybe.

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There we go.
'Cause I was trying to find the

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video of it walking.
I couldn't find it alright.

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I thought, but the yeah, the
picture it no, I'm going Fiji

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mermaid that's there's there's
no way that that's a legitimate

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taxidomized animal or whatever.
I am not throwing this away,

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that's my opinion, no.
But it's so small too.

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Does it get bigger?
Well, this could be a pup.

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Could be fake too.
Could be.

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It doesn't feel stocky enough to
be a pup.

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Like if you think of things like
dogs or even like cats, their

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proportions are different.
They'd have bigger heads.

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They'd have bigger paws.
Yeah, if it really gets as

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massive as they say.
You know, I'm not, I'm not

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really gonna disregard size.
Like, how many times have people

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been scared of something and
then severely hyperbolized the

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size of the animal.
Right.

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So that's true.
They could have seen this, Like,

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you know, it could have snarled
at them, been real scary.

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Especially they've been like
drinking or something.

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And they're like, Oh my God.
And then and.

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Like, yeah, but how does how
does that thing go Like, that's

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the size of like?
A cat maybe?

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Like a Jack Russell or
something, Yeah.

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How do you go from that to bare
size?

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I don't know.
Fishermen go from proportion.

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Fishermen go from minnow to 15
pound walleye bass hybrids in.

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The.
Course of three retellings of a

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story.
Like, it's just it's just how

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things happen.
People.

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People like fantastic tales.
What about the veteran that got

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stabbed?
Did it.

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Sic him like the the rabbit from
Monty Python and just gouge him

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with the with one of its
antlers.

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Right.
Yeah.

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Maybe that's they need the Holy
Hand Grenade.

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That's what happened.
The Holy Hand Grenade of

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Antioch.
All right.

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You guys ready to move on?
Yeah, all in, All in all, I did

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not research the video.
I did not research the pictures.

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I don't know.
I mean, it could have already

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came out that it's a complete
hoax.

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I don't know.
I haven't really done it.

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But from the outside looking in,
if it is a hoax, I think it's a

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really good one, personally.
All right.

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What?
Oh, this is the one I think you

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guys are gonna really dig.
I like this one.

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What's in the name?
The Ozark Howler has been known

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by various names throughout the
history of its rain.

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According to author Ralph
Toller.

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They include names like The
Beast, Black Howler, Night

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Howler, Mountain Howler, Devil
cat, Nightshade Bear,

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Catawampus, Whistling Wampus,
Midnight Whistler, and Whoohoo.

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Some of these names give hints
to what this creature may

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actually be in the early build
of the Appalachian culture.

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In lore, a legend told by the
European settlers, referred to

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as the Catawampus or the Wampus
Cat as it became known when the

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western push took place, was
known as a large feline creature

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that would hide out in trees and
attack those that were unaware

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of its presence.
The name Catawampus is a play on

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the name originally given to the
Catamount, another name for a

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Mountain Lion.
The telltale sign of this

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creature was the screams that
were heard throughout the

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hollers and hills of old
Appalachia.

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The creature has a few
paranormal and supernatural

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aspects to it as well, but I'm
going to have to save that for a

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future episode because trust me,
the Appalachian region of the US

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has enough mysterious cats for
its own episode or two.

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Among researchers of the Ozark
Howler, the most common

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explanation is that either the
legend of the Catawampus

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migrated W with the expansion
into the US interior and over

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the Mississippi River, or this
is a creature within the same

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family as the Wampus from
Appalachia.

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The similarities are uncanny
except for a few physical

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descriptions, but the way they
act, sound and their habits are

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spot on with each other.
But the area had a few other

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groups of settlers that seemed
to have an impact on the build

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of the legend, those being the
British and the French.

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In many cases the howler has a
supernatural ability to either

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throw its voice and or disappear
right in front of someone's

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eyes.
This is something that we see in

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British lore in the form of the
phantom black dogs.

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We have done multiple episodes
on in the past, so please if

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there is interest, go check
those episodes out.

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Another interesting thing what
demons.

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Another interesting thing about
this creature is that it also

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shows up aspects of the French
werewolf known as the Lugoro.

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There are a few accounts of the
Howler and many accounts of the

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Wampus having shapeshifting
abilities.

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And if you are familiar with a
map of the United States, you

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will notice that just South of
Arkansas is the state of

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Louisiana State that is born
from French culture and lore,

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which also has a forum of the
French Lucaroo known locally as

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the Rugeroo.
But unlike the Lugaroo, the

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Rugeroo is thought to not be so
much of A shapeshifter and

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rather an individual of the new
cryptozoology heavyweight, the

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Dog Man.
So no matter where it is that

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you look in history, the Howler
shows aspects of local lore from

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three cultures in which the
majority of the area was

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originally built.
Does that mean that it's not

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real?
No, not at all.

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It needs to be understood that
when someone attempts to

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describe something, the only way
they do so is with words or

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descriptions that they are
already made aware of.

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For example, when Bigfoot was
first talked about here in

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America, it was referred to as
either a wild man or an

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abominable snowman.
Why?

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Because that is what we had for
reference at the time.

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The legend of the Yeti or the
Abominable Snowman is older than

451
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,480
the United States itself.
And what would a modern man see

452
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,960
if they saw an upright walking
humanoid in the forest, covered

453
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,840
from head to toe with hair, with
absolutely no reference to

454
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,120
Bigfoot at all?
A wild man?

455
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,600
Or if they had heard the
stories, an abominable snowman.

456
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,720
So no, this does not mean that
it is fake.

457
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,760
In my book, this makes it more
interesting to me that people

458
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,880
from different cultures were
arriving in one geographical

459
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,120
location around the same time,
and we're seeing the same thing

460
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,480
and using their own words to try
to describe it.

461
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,040
So what do you guys think?
I've heard of the Wampus Cat

462
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:23,560
before, and I've also heard of
the Black Panthers in Arkansas

463
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,160
and those that believe in those,
and I'm wondering if there's a

464
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,680
correlation between this and the
Black Panthers.

465
00:26:30,530 --> 00:26:37,050
Aren't aren't black Panthers
just like dark Jaguars?

466
00:26:37,970 --> 00:26:40,210
So it's a melanistic trait.
Sorry.

467
00:26:40,210 --> 00:26:43,330
Go ahead, Lauren.
Yeah, they're usually melanistic

468
00:26:43,330 --> 00:26:48,130
leopards or Jaguars, but
technically Black Panther

469
00:26:48,170 --> 00:26:51,770
doesn't exist as a species
because it's a black leopard,

470
00:26:51,770 --> 00:26:54,850
Black Jaguar.
So you could call a black cougar

471
00:26:54,850 --> 00:26:57,210
a Black Panther because it's
from a Panther.

472
00:26:57,250 --> 00:27:03,990
Family.
Back in a 411 episode, we did we

473
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:08,190
we remember when I said I had a
theory that Jake would believe.

474
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:13,910
About the the one snatching the
lady up into the tree and then

475
00:27:13,910 --> 00:27:17,270
just tearing it up, tearing her
apart because the footprints

476
00:27:17,270 --> 00:27:18,910
went around the car and then
stopped.

477
00:27:19,030 --> 00:27:21,430
What's good?
OK, yeah, what will the the guy

478
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:24,270
with the the holes punctured in
his head and I told you was a

479
00:27:24,270 --> 00:27:25,540
leopard?
Because.

480
00:27:25,540 --> 00:27:27,340
So sure.
Or Jaguars, Sorry.

481
00:27:27,340 --> 00:27:29,380
Jaguars like they found them in
the river.

482
00:27:29,380 --> 00:27:30,700
That one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

483
00:27:30,740 --> 00:27:34,540
yeah.
So those animals, I think those

484
00:27:34,540 --> 00:27:38,100
were Jaguars, if I remember
correctly from the episode,

485
00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:39,500
they.
Came up from Mexico, came.

486
00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:41,300
Up from Mexico.
So if we look at the map of the

487
00:27:41,300 --> 00:27:46,140
United States, the Jaguars came
up through Arizona, typically

488
00:27:46,140 --> 00:27:49,060
were found through Utah all the
way up to up north.

489
00:27:49,530 --> 00:27:52,930
But Arkansas is not that far
from Mexico when we look in the

490
00:27:52,930 --> 00:27:54,690
map, United States, and there's
no reason they couldn't have

491
00:27:54,690 --> 00:27:58,370
passed through Texas at one time
and been in Arkansas.

492
00:27:58,370 --> 00:28:03,490
So if we have like a legend of
Black Panthers, it could have

493
00:28:03,490 --> 00:28:09,890
easily have been a real thing.
Why are we talking about that?

494
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,800
Because I was just curious if
there was a correlation between

495
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:14,800
the two.
Oh.

496
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,840
Yeah, I've seen this black cat
like figure and stuff like that.

497
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,080
They could have.
I mean with the exception of the

498
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,520
horns.
So what if they could have seen,

499
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,400
like like a migrating or like a
territorial expansion of those

500
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,200
Jaguars from the 401 episode we
were talking about?

501
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:33,840
They could, right?
And it could be one of two

502
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,800
sides.
You have the leopards in the

503
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,400
West and you have the puma's,
the mountain lions, the Panthers

504
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,980
in the east, right?
And for some reason I I don't.

505
00:28:43,060 --> 00:28:47,580
I don't understand the biology
of it, but almost every feline

506
00:28:47,580 --> 00:28:51,460
in the world has a melanistic
version.

507
00:28:51,900 --> 00:28:54,180
Except for mountain lions.
Except for fucking mountain

508
00:28:54,180 --> 00:28:56,180
lions.
There's never been a recorded

509
00:28:56,180 --> 00:28:58,740
case of a Mountain Lion that
looked any different from any

510
00:28:58,740 --> 00:29:02,300
other Mountain Lion.
But yet in the Appalachian areas

511
00:29:02,300 --> 00:29:05,250
of the United States, there's
reports of them.

512
00:29:05,250 --> 00:29:08,210
And I mean, it's encrypted.
The black the Black Panther is

513
00:29:08,210 --> 00:29:11,290
encrypted or Black Mountain Lion
is encrypted in the United

514
00:29:11,290 --> 00:29:13,850
States.
And I mean why?

515
00:29:13,850 --> 00:29:17,970
What in the mountain lions DNA
says that?

516
00:29:17,970 --> 00:29:23,370
This cannot be melanistic, It
has to be tawny like every other

517
00:29:23,490 --> 00:29:26,970
Mountain Lion that's ever been
seen.

518
00:29:27,210 --> 00:29:31,050
But you can go see a Jaguar ones
with spots, right?

519
00:29:31,090 --> 00:29:33,530
Like literally spots.
There's black fucking cheetahs,

520
00:29:33,530 --> 00:29:36,480
man.
Like cheetah spots where this

521
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,760
the whole cat's black.
And you can make out these

522
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,480
little darker spots in its in
its, in its fur.

523
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,480
I just don't get it.
I don't understand how every

524
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:52,360
other cat in the world can be
melanistic but not a fucking

525
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,080
Panther or a Mountain Lion,
right?

526
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,720
I don't get it.
I don't understand.

527
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,960
And I, you know, you could, CJ,
you bring up a good point.

528
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,080
I mean, this thing could have
came W It could have came from

529
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,550
the east.
If it came W it was a, you know,

530
00:30:06,550 --> 00:30:09,190
a Jaguar.
The part, the part that gets me

531
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:13,150
about it though, is the like
they talk about like hearing it

532
00:30:13,150 --> 00:30:16,510
like scream and stuff.
And like when you hear about the

533
00:30:16,510 --> 00:30:18,710
screams and whatnot, that's
typically something you would

534
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:21,590
hear from a Mountain Lion.
The Particularly when they're

535
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:26,190
mating, they scream like women
being killed.

536
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:29,550
Yeah, right.
Yeah.

537
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:37,640
So, and so to CJ's or fat asses
point, it could be the only bad

538
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:43,120
word ever.
It could be that people in those

539
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,080
areas are just so used to saying
mountain lions that their

540
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,480
assumption is this is a black
Mountain Lion or they're called

541
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,760
a Black Panther, where what
they're really seeing is

542
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,560
northern migrating black Jaguars
and whatnot.

543
00:30:58,860 --> 00:31:02,340
Yeah, maybe My question would be
is if we're only seeing the

544
00:31:02,340 --> 00:31:06,460
melanistic ones, which on the
whole are a smaller percentage

545
00:31:06,460 --> 00:31:11,700
than the the golden Jaguars, why
we've never seen one of those.

546
00:31:13,780 --> 00:31:16,010
Why is it just the black ones
That's true?

547
00:31:16,010 --> 00:31:20,530
I mean, if we had seen Black
Panthers in this area, you would

548
00:31:20,530 --> 00:31:22,930
think that it would be a better
chance of seeing the tawny

549
00:31:22,930 --> 00:31:25,290
versions.
Well, their territory wasn't

550
00:31:25,290 --> 00:31:27,450
predominantly over in the
Arkansas area.

551
00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:32,490
It was up above Arizona and N we
could be talking about, you

552
00:31:32,490 --> 00:31:35,090
know, like right now they have
those two Jaguars in.

553
00:31:35,090 --> 00:31:40,290
Like, I think it's New Mexico
right now is like Hefe and the

554
00:31:40,290 --> 00:31:42,770
the second one whose name I can
never remember, but like you

555
00:31:42,770 --> 00:31:43,930
have no idea what you're talking
about.

556
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,760
We talked about in the 401
episode, so there's skirts

557
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,240
currently like Jaguars are
making their way back into the

558
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,160
United States.
There's two of them right now in

559
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,520
the New Mexico area that they
keep an eye on and and watch

560
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,520
their territory.
So we're talking like we may not

561
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,160
have seen a golden one because
like Arkansas is so far removed

562
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,080
from that territory.
Like it.

563
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,880
It's it's not unreasonable to
think it didn't wander over

564
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,520
there or migrate that way for
whatever reason that it did.

565
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,080
But it's not a common thing.
So like they would have seen

566
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,800
this Jag and then they would, it
would just be multiple people

567
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,440
seeing the same Jaguar.
And that would be why we

568
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,920
wouldn't have seen like the
other ones, because they're just

569
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,360
not heading that direction.
Because I I don't think though I

570
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,680
think the Jaguars were wiped out
in the 30s of the United States,

571
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,640
right?
Something like that, I I don't

572
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,000
know.
I can tell you that one's out of

573
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,140
my my reach.
The last female Jaguar was

574
00:32:36,140 --> 00:32:39,780
killed in Arizona in 1949.
So yeah, this could easily have

575
00:32:39,780 --> 00:32:41,980
been a Jaguar that just found
its way over there.

576
00:32:42,220 --> 00:32:44,100
I could see it, definitely see
it.

577
00:32:44,860 --> 00:32:47,700
But.
Man, I am all for animals going

578
00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:51,900
back to their natural habitat.
But if if I ever see a Jaguar,

579
00:32:51,980 --> 00:32:53,540
no, no, I'm.
Out I.

580
00:32:53,700 --> 00:32:57,900
Was into Canada.
That's right, there ain't no

581
00:32:57,900 --> 00:33:01,100
Jaguars here in Canada.
Love to ask Kenzar?

582
00:33:01,180 --> 00:33:07,240
Except for the Canadian Jaguar.
Ah, got him all right.

583
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,320
So I really want to go over this
next part.

584
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:14,320
This this next part is extremely
exciting to me because.

585
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:20,160
No luminescence.
Yes, this here is, this is wild.

586
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:25,960
This may change the game in a
lot of crypted stories or a lot

587
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,960
of crypted sightings that were
previously unbelievable.

588
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,640
The eyes.
One key feature of the Ozark

589
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,000
Howler is the fact that many
have reported their eyes glowing

590
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,120
red even without any light used
for reflection.

591
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,440
This means that their eyes
aren't reflective, like what we

592
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,760
see if we shine a flashlight at
the tree line in our backyard,

593
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,960
but rather that the eyes produce
a sort of bioluminescence that

594
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,760
is unseen in any land mammal
documented by science.

595
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:08,090
Well, I'm very pleased to tell
you that this isn't 100% true.

596
00:34:09,409 --> 00:34:12,409
It was during the research for
this creature that I was proven

597
00:34:12,409 --> 00:34:14,290
wrong.
When it comes to this.

598
00:34:15,090 --> 00:34:19,370
I originally saw the statement
that Tasmanian devils had eyes

599
00:34:19,370 --> 00:34:22,610
that produced their own light in
the darkness in the book The

600
00:34:22,650 --> 00:34:27,130
Ozark Heller by Ralph Taller.
So I had to take a sidestep and

601
00:34:27,130 --> 00:34:31,290
look into this more because if
this is true, that would be an

602
00:34:31,330 --> 00:34:34,639
absolute game changer.
Something that I believed to be

603
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:38,600
impossible, or at least not yet
accomplished by a land mammal

604
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,560
would change a major flaw in
many encrypted stories to a

605
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,719
possibility.
What I found was that although

606
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,520
true, it wasn't 100% what he
claimed.

607
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,679
According to
australiangeographic.com dot a

608
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,960
U, there was a discovery made in
2020 that a rather large number

609
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,600
of Australian mammals had
glowing parts of their bodies

610
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,320
when exposed to ultraviolet
lights.

611
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,200
This was true for the Tasminian
Devil as well.

612
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,880
In fact, it wasn't just the
eyes, but also the skin around

613
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,600
the snout and portions of their
ear would do so as well.

614
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,640
Many may be asking the question,
why does something that glows

615
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,480
under ultraviolet light mean
anything to us?

616
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,760
We can't see it, true, but this
is the step of the color

617
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,760
spectrum just above the visible
range of colors to the human

618
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,000
eye.
It is not a stretch of the

619
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,600
imagination that a simple tweak
to the adaption of an animal

620
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:43,520
could change from ultraviolet to
our visible spectrum, especially

621
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,440
since it has been proven that
many creatures such as birds,

622
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,520
insects, fish, reptiles,
amphibians, and a handful of

623
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,280
mammals see ultraviolet just
fine.

624
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:57,190
And this is also true for the
infrared side of the color

625
00:35:57,190 --> 00:36:00,350
spectrum as well, which makes up
the portion of the spectrum

626
00:36:00,350 --> 00:36:03,670
below our visible colors.
So what does this all mean?

627
00:36:04,430 --> 00:36:08,470
Well, this means that there may
very well be a whole line of

628
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:11,870
communication for land mammals
that we are completely unaware

629
00:36:11,870 --> 00:36:14,470
of.
In every other known species

630
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:18,590
that possesses this trait uses
it as a form of communication

631
00:36:18,590 --> 00:36:21,830
about such things like mood,
identity, and health.

632
00:36:23,110 --> 00:36:26,190
Could red eyes and the night
mean something like, hey bro,

633
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:30,310
I'm pissed, Go away.
All I have to say is my mind's

634
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:32,190
blown.
What do you guys think?

635
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:41,190
So you're saying that they had
some invisible light waves that

636
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:45,430
became visible.
Are you saying that the howler

637
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:49,710
would always be able to see the.
So basically what I'm saying,

638
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:53,540
all right, the sightings from
the howler, a lot of them.

639
00:36:53,540 --> 00:36:56,980
I'm talking a really good
portion of them. 90% plus

640
00:36:57,140 --> 00:37:01,140
highlights the red glowing eyes,
even without any kind of

641
00:37:01,140 --> 00:37:02,980
reflective.
I'm talking about like the

642
00:37:02,980 --> 00:37:04,260
science.
Are you saying that it's

643
00:37:04,260 --> 00:37:08,180
something like UV infrared?
Are you saying that it's already

644
00:37:08,180 --> 00:37:11,220
in the visible spectrum?
No, no, no.

645
00:37:11,220 --> 00:37:14,900
So they're the the light that
these these animals emit, and

646
00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:17,140
they range from marsupials to
mammals.

647
00:37:17,140 --> 00:37:20,630
In Australia, there's a lot of
them are emitting.

648
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:24,550
They're creating a
bioluminescence under their

649
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:28,110
skin, in their eyes.
You can Google this.

650
00:37:28,910 --> 00:37:32,470
That is visible under light that
exposes these lights.

651
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:35,910
We can't see them without a
tool.

652
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:38,950
We need a tool to see them.
They looked at them with

653
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:44,550
ultraviolet visuals such as
cameras, fliers, infrared

654
00:37:44,670 --> 00:37:46,870
cameras, and are able to see
this stuff.

655
00:37:47,070 --> 00:37:49,500
Now obviously the infrared is
wrong.

656
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:51,900
Nobody had to be the other side
of things, the ultraviolet

657
00:37:51,900 --> 00:37:54,900
stuff.
But it has been proven that

658
00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:59,820
there is bioluminescence in the
eyes and the thin skin around

659
00:37:59,820 --> 00:38:05,420
certain areas of both marsupial
and mammal animals in Australia.

660
00:38:05,420 --> 00:38:07,500
And it's specific to Australia
right now.

661
00:38:07,940 --> 00:38:11,780
I mean when this came out,
people did research to other

662
00:38:11,940 --> 00:38:15,220
animals, North America, South
America, Europe and wherever

663
00:38:15,220 --> 00:38:18,020
else in the world.
And it's not being seen anywhere

664
00:38:18,020 --> 00:38:20,320
else.
But to think that something that

665
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,760
is in the ultraviolet spectrum
or on that, you know the

666
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,280
ultraviolet side of the spectrum
for an adaption to be made into

667
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,760
our visible spectrum.
I don't think it's too far out

668
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,360
of the the the realm of
possibility.

669
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,560
I think it's very well within
the realm of possibility and

670
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,800
it's not a very far step.
I mean ultraviolet and infrared

671
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,800
or right outside of our of our
spectrum of colors.

672
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,240
I mean they're right on the
fringes.

673
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:49,510
I mean they there's there's this
whole spectrum of other colors

674
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:51,390
outside of ours.
I mean, I'm sure you're aware

675
00:38:51,390 --> 00:38:53,910
of.
Can't cats see ultraviolet?

676
00:38:54,110 --> 00:38:57,350
I don't know exactly what
animals other than the ones that

677
00:38:57,350 --> 00:39:01,030
just named off of there, but
yeah, there are a ton of animals

678
00:39:01,030 --> 00:39:03,870
that are said to be able to.
Scorpions, yeah, there, There's

679
00:39:03,870 --> 00:39:05,590
a lot of animals that are said
to see it.

680
00:39:06,110 --> 00:39:08,790
And I mean.
Platypi They glow under black

681
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:09,750
light.
I wonder if that has something

682
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:11,990
to do with it.
I bet you it does.

683
00:39:12,590 --> 00:39:16,340
I bet you it does.
Is it possible that it's like

684
00:39:16,340 --> 00:39:19,820
some weird colored version of
Nightshine talking about like

685
00:39:19,980 --> 00:39:22,260
eye reflection?
Well, I know like nightshine,

686
00:39:22,260 --> 00:39:25,340
like in cats and stuff is
typically like a greenish color

687
00:39:26,020 --> 00:39:28,460
when you see the eyes.
Yes, like is it possible that

688
00:39:28,460 --> 00:39:32,700
like this, this reddish color is
just like a bizarre?

689
00:39:32,700 --> 00:39:34,700
Like maybe their lenses are
different or something and their

690
00:39:34,700 --> 00:39:36,740
eyes.
So it's like there are animals.

691
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:40,060
There are animals that have red
with red eye shine.

692
00:39:40,180 --> 00:39:41,300
Like us.
Yeah.

693
00:39:41,380 --> 00:39:45,400
There, there are like like when
we take the old cameras before

694
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,680
they got rid of the red eyes.
That was the humans version of

695
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,640
it.
But it would have to be.

696
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,800
It's not something that's even
we can't even see it under our

697
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,080
own, you know, lights.
Like if we shine a light at

698
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,760
someone's face, we can't see the
reflectiveness in our eyes.

699
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,760
We need a tool to see it.
No, I mean, we've all seen a

700
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,240
cat's night shine like in a dark
room or something.

701
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:07,640
Like I'm saying, it's like what
if this is like similar?

702
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,840
That's just like it's a red
color instead of like the green

703
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,360
or the yellow you would
typically get.

704
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,160
Well, they don't.
They don't have shine.

705
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,880
You have to, you have to shine a
light at them to get a

706
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,880
reflection back.
Well, I mean, these guys are

707
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,480
outside, unless they're like
they're in a cave, like at the

708
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,280
bottom of a cave or something
like.

709
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,360
And if they're in that cave,
they've got some sort of a light

710
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,920
going on.
Like they catch a night shine

711
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,400
off the moon you could catch a
night shine off of, right.

712
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,000
Anything.
And like, if there's humans

713
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,200
present, we have lights we don't
see in the dark.

714
00:40:39,020 --> 00:40:40,700
If they're walking around, they
have lights.

715
00:40:40,700 --> 00:40:44,340
So there's no reason that there
couldn't be an instance of Night

716
00:40:44,340 --> 00:40:45,860
Shine.
That's true.

717
00:40:46,380 --> 00:40:48,980
It definitely could be.
And there are animals.

718
00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:53,180
I don't know exactly which ones
shine red, but I know that one

719
00:40:53,180 --> 00:40:56,980
of the techniques that Bigfoot
researchers use when they're

720
00:40:57,020 --> 00:40:59,820
dealing with eye shine is that
they are looking for a green eye

721
00:40:59,820 --> 00:41:05,220
shine that is the specific one
to like apes and chimps and

722
00:41:05,220 --> 00:41:07,050
stuff like that.
I was going to say the same

723
00:41:07,050 --> 00:41:09,570
thing.
CJI was like, yeah, just because

724
00:41:09,570 --> 00:41:12,530
they're not, you know, shining a
flashlight in the thing's face

725
00:41:12,650 --> 00:41:16,450
doesn't mean that there isn't a
moon out, you know, or the stars

726
00:41:16,450 --> 00:41:19,730
are really bright or there's,
you know, close planets, you

727
00:41:19,730 --> 00:41:21,970
know, or something like that.
There's always some source of

728
00:41:21,970 --> 00:41:24,170
light, right?
The only way they'd be walking

729
00:41:24,170 --> 00:41:26,650
around at night is if there was
some source of light, like a

730
00:41:26,650 --> 00:41:30,850
full moon, you know, because
obviously we can adjust so much,

731
00:41:30,850 --> 00:41:33,530
but we can't adjust in pitch
black, you know?

732
00:41:36,350 --> 00:41:42,390
I think that it's in the cases
coming as a skeptic.

733
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:45,670
In the cases that they are
seeing an animal, it would be

734
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:49,590
eye shine.
However, I think a lot of the

735
00:41:49,630 --> 00:41:56,230
Ozark howler is heavily
influenced by what people like.

736
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:58,670
They might just see an animal
and they come up with

737
00:41:58,670 --> 00:42:01,950
exaggerations on it, especially
when you hear of cryptids with

738
00:42:01,950 --> 00:42:04,190
like glowing red eyes.
That super.

739
00:42:04,900 --> 00:42:06,300
Common.
And they're always all that

740
00:42:06,300 --> 00:42:10,860
glowed, like fiery hot coals.
And that's very pop culture kind

741
00:42:10,860 --> 00:42:12,260
of thing.
Like even hounds of the

742
00:42:12,260 --> 00:42:16,620
Baskervilles, it had the glowing
eyes and muzzle, and that was

743
00:42:16,620 --> 00:42:18,420
just phosphorus of course, in
that story.

744
00:42:18,420 --> 00:42:24,500
But it's it's a common
association with beasts or

745
00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:26,620
demons is something with glowing
eyes.

746
00:42:26,660 --> 00:42:30,500
Yeah, true.
It could be just a Little Mix of

747
00:42:30,740 --> 00:42:34,140
of mythology and folklore kind
of getting the best of people.

748
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,440
And there you go.
Just like what CJ was saying,

749
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:41,000
whatever that whatever that
human brain thing that we do is

750
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,520
where we see shapes and clouds
and in trees and all sorts of

751
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,640
stuff.
Because our, you know, primitive

752
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,600
people had to be very weary of
that sort of stuff because you

753
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,880
get killed, you know, if you
couldn't see the things around

754
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,280
you, you can see the, you know,
the the Jaguar looking at you in

755
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,750
the tree, you know.
That sort of stuff.

756
00:43:00,750 --> 00:43:04,430
So, you know, they get this
conception of this, this monster

757
00:43:04,430 --> 00:43:07,230
that's out there and then they
see whatever, I mean shoot, they

758
00:43:07,230 --> 00:43:10,870
could see a Mountain Lion and be
like that's those are color.

759
00:43:11,310 --> 00:43:16,110
Yeah, it's kind of like a good.
I also think it's interesting to

760
00:43:16,110 --> 00:43:19,270
note that a lot of this stuff
happens in the woods at dark.

761
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:22,190
They see a black shape, and then
they think they see something

762
00:43:22,190 --> 00:43:25,310
like horns.
Those could be branches behind

763
00:43:25,310 --> 00:43:27,900
it.
And then somebody sees that it

764
00:43:27,900 --> 00:43:30,620
looks like it has horns, and
then that story goes around and

765
00:43:30,620 --> 00:43:33,660
now everybody's seen it.
Interesting.

766
00:43:34,140 --> 00:43:38,620
I don't know, just a sure amount
of of reports.

767
00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:41,700
Anyways, Jake, what you're kind
of explaining is sort of like a

768
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:45,020
weird mythology influenced
paradolia.

769
00:43:45,460 --> 00:43:46,620
That's it.
That's the word.

770
00:43:46,740 --> 00:43:48,820
Yeah.
Yeah, well, you're saying that

771
00:43:48,820 --> 00:43:51,540
there's a sheer, sheer amount of
reports coming in of people

772
00:43:51,540 --> 00:43:54,540
seeing the same thing.
We experienced that with serial

773
00:43:54,540 --> 00:43:56,060
killers.
The minute they put out a

774
00:43:56,060 --> 00:43:58,580
description of a serial killer
or they put out an image of a

775
00:43:58,580 --> 00:44:02,580
serial killer, the the police
station, like they'll have to

776
00:44:02,580 --> 00:44:05,700
like hire extra call, be like
they'll get hundreds of calls

777
00:44:06,020 --> 00:44:08,860
all over the country.
People saw the same guy.

778
00:44:09,620 --> 00:44:12,380
Yep, 100%.
That's a good fucking point,

779
00:44:12,380 --> 00:44:14,220
dude.
That's a really good point.

780
00:44:14,220 --> 00:44:17,540
Because yeah, I'm not going to
go into that.

781
00:44:17,620 --> 00:44:19,460
That's I'm going to keep that in
the back pocket.

782
00:44:19,900 --> 00:44:24,290
But yes, good one.
Or someone puts out a lie about,

783
00:44:24,290 --> 00:44:27,770
you know, spacecraft in the sky,
and then everyone and their

784
00:44:27,770 --> 00:44:30,770
mother has a spaceship story.
No, no, Jake.

785
00:44:31,090 --> 00:44:33,010
We've confirmed every take it,
Jake.

786
00:44:33,010 --> 00:44:35,330
Take that.
Yeah, yeah.

787
00:44:35,650 --> 00:44:38,530
Congress is definitely not
trying to just swindle more tax

788
00:44:38,530 --> 00:44:42,650
dollars by making up a fake
organization to research fake

789
00:44:42,650 --> 00:44:45,010
stuff we can't we can't get
into.

790
00:44:45,090 --> 00:44:47,490
This right now, we just can't.
This is.

791
00:44:48,030 --> 00:44:50,470
Come out with an alien episode
this so I can crap all over it.

792
00:44:50,910 --> 00:44:52,830
We should.
We should because this is, this

793
00:44:52,830 --> 00:44:56,470
is getting really deep and I
man, stay away from Mystery

794
00:44:56,470 --> 00:45:00,830
Stone tomorrow, Jake.
I'm gonna leave a one star

795
00:45:00,830 --> 00:45:02,310
review.
I'm gonna leave 31 star.

796
00:45:02,310 --> 00:45:09,550
Review No, I I don't know.
I I have my thoughts about it.

797
00:45:09,550 --> 00:45:13,150
But all right, let's move on to
another really good part.

798
00:45:13,150 --> 00:45:14,070
I like this.
This one.

799
00:45:14,070 --> 00:45:16,230
This one's very interesting.
This is where we start hearing

800
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:19,360
from those famous people.
Like Eisenhower.

801
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,520
Like Eisenhower.
Eventually.

802
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:22,480
Was that right?
Yes.

803
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,520
Oh, nice.
It was like for all those that

804
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,760
love it, the belief in the
howler was so strong that in

805
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:35,160
1892 leaders among the lumber
workers and a few other

806
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,560
outdoorsmen were so over the
constant fear and hunting of the

807
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,400
creature that they banded
together and created a secret

808
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,160
Society of sorts to aid in the
protection from and of the

809
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,540
howler.
The Society was officially named

810
00:45:49,540 --> 00:45:52,900
the Concentrated Order of The
Who Who and was officially

811
00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:57,660
established in Gurdon, Arkansas.
The order still exists to this

812
00:45:57,660 --> 00:46:01,180
day and has members from all
over the world in the

813
00:46:01,180 --> 00:46:04,940
woodworking industries.
Their official logo consists of

814
00:46:04,940 --> 00:46:08,500
a black cat in a pouncing
position, encircled by a black

815
00:46:08,500 --> 00:46:12,100
ring with the words
International Order of who, who

816
00:46:12,380 --> 00:46:17,020
since 1892 printed within it.
The Black Cat is a direct

817
00:46:17,020 --> 00:46:20,860
representation of the old Wampus
Cat lore and their belief in

818
00:46:20,860 --> 00:46:24,820
1892 that the Howler was a
Wampus cat known for making a

819
00:46:24,820 --> 00:46:28,060
very deep whoohoo sound when it
called.

820
00:46:28,700 --> 00:46:32,580
At the beginning of every
meeting, the poem, The Hunting

821
00:46:32,580 --> 00:46:36,620
of the Snark, is sung before
conducting any other business.

822
00:46:36,980 --> 00:46:40,220
The poem was written by a man by
the name of Lewis Campbell and

823
00:46:40,220 --> 00:46:43,620
refers to a specific hunting
trip that took place that ended

824
00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:47,070
awfully.
Although very long, a section of

825
00:46:47,070 --> 00:46:51,670
this poem is song which refers
to the Snark, which was yet

826
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:55,270
another name commonly used in
the 19th century for the

827
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:57,990
creature now known as the Ozark
Howler.

828
00:46:58,830 --> 00:47:02,550
Many different theories have
risen about the true reasons for

829
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:06,150
the birth of the society, with
the main purpose being to

830
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:09,790
protect both the workers and the
howler at the same time, as an

831
00:47:09,790 --> 00:47:12,790
effect to create a way for the
creature to live and the

832
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:14,550
woodsmen to earn their
livelihood.

833
00:47:15,740 --> 00:47:19,100
Two of the more historically
famous known members of The Who

834
00:47:19,100 --> 00:47:23,500
Who were presidents Theodore
Roosevelt and Warren G Harding,

835
00:47:24,460 --> 00:47:27,300
which was a huge chapter in the
history of the society as it

836
00:47:27,540 --> 00:47:31,500
began its involvement in not
only local politics but national

837
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:34,860
politics as well.
With the society in the Oval

838
00:47:34,860 --> 00:47:39,260
Office, it was granted numerous
federal resources for its cause.

839
00:47:40,170 --> 00:47:42,690
Just wanted to make note that
all this information on the

840
00:47:42,730 --> 00:47:46,730
order came from a book written
by Ralph Taller titled The Ozark

841
00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:50,290
Howler, in which he refers to a
podcast for his information

842
00:47:50,290 --> 00:47:53,970
called Counting Creatures.
But with simple surface

843
00:47:53,970 --> 00:47:59,410
research, all the claims in the
book are verifiable and lead to

844
00:47:59,410 --> 00:48:03,690
many questions and connections.
One of which comes to my mind

845
00:48:03,770 --> 00:48:07,170
instantly when you hear the name
Roosevelt in a reference to a

846
00:48:07,170 --> 00:48:10,260
creature in the woods.
Is whether or not Roosevelt's

847
00:48:10,260 --> 00:48:13,540
influence in the creation of the
National Park system had

848
00:48:13,580 --> 00:48:16,340
anything to do with his tie to
the order of The Who, Who?

849
00:48:17,180 --> 00:48:20,980
And if so, maybe the theory
Roosevelt creating such a system

850
00:48:20,980 --> 00:48:24,900
to house crypted such as Bigfoot
and the Howler may actually have

851
00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:28,980
some weight behind it.
I mean, the Ozarks do have

852
00:48:28,980 --> 00:48:33,140
multiple federally owned land
claims and his official position

853
00:48:33,140 --> 00:48:36,090
within the society.
Was as president of American

854
00:48:36,090 --> 00:48:40,130
Forestry, and it was documented
that his initial task was to

855
00:48:40,170 --> 00:48:42,610
establish protected zones for
the howler.

856
00:48:43,930 --> 00:48:48,010
Either way, this goal extended
into his presidency, where he

857
00:48:48,010 --> 00:48:49,530
established the National Park
system.

858
00:48:50,420 --> 00:48:54,940
Roosevelt served as President
from 1901 to 1909 and the

859
00:48:54,940 --> 00:48:58,060
establishment of the Ozark
National Forest was made

860
00:48:58,060 --> 00:49:03,900
official on March 6th of 1908
and was one of the last things

861
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:07,460
that Teddy did as President of
the United States.

862
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:11,100
There is one more interesting
tidbit which comes in the form

863
00:49:11,100 --> 00:49:15,380
of a conspiracy in relation to
these two Presidents and the

864
00:49:15,420 --> 00:49:17,780
Order.
Both presidents died of

865
00:49:17,780 --> 00:49:19,660
mysterious and sudden
circumstances.

866
00:49:20,330 --> 00:49:22,770
Roosevelt died in the sleep of a
heart attack in his home in

867
00:49:22,770 --> 00:49:26,930
Oyster Bay, NY, in 1919, just
prior to his attempting at

868
00:49:26,930 --> 00:49:30,650
becoming president for an
unprecedented third term, and

869
00:49:30,650 --> 00:49:35,010
Harding died of a heart attack
in San Francisco in 1923 while

870
00:49:35,010 --> 00:49:37,610
talking to his wife.
There are many other

871
00:49:37,610 --> 00:49:41,010
conspiracies having to do with
Harding's death, but the one

872
00:49:41,010 --> 00:49:44,490
that seems the most important in
relation to the Howler is that

873
00:49:44,490 --> 00:49:48,050
in his toxicology report after
death, it was determined that he

874
00:49:48,050 --> 00:49:51,860
was poisoned.
Both men passed away as active

875
00:49:51,860 --> 00:49:55,060
members of the Order and are
theorized to be on the bad side

876
00:49:55,060 --> 00:49:58,100
of its members, with the
conspiracy being that many

877
00:49:58,100 --> 00:50:01,780
believe that they were killed in
some way by way of the Orders

878
00:50:01,780 --> 00:50:05,180
wishes.
Let's discuss Roosevelt's death

879
00:50:05,180 --> 00:50:09,540
first in 1919.
Roosevelt had apparently had the

880
00:50:09,580 --> 00:50:12,340
orders backing and becoming the
1st president to serve a third

881
00:50:12,340 --> 00:50:17,300
term in his first two terms,
which ended in 1909, ten years

882
00:50:17,300 --> 00:50:19,790
prior.
He had a very strict stance

883
00:50:19,790 --> 00:50:22,390
against any harm aimed at the
Howler.

884
00:50:23,390 --> 00:50:26,870
This upcoming third term was
aimed to be a very different one

885
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:29,870
from his first two.
Teddy was known as being an avid

886
00:50:29,870 --> 00:50:33,550
hunter and within those 10 years
since his last term, he had

887
00:50:33,550 --> 00:50:36,990
grown to really enjoy hunting.
And now, as part of his

888
00:50:36,990 --> 00:50:40,750
campaign, he claimed to be able
to hunt the Howler and prove its

889
00:50:40,750 --> 00:50:44,550
existence.
He told of an idea that America

890
00:50:44,550 --> 00:50:47,070
needed a stronger mascot than
the bald eagle.

891
00:50:47,700 --> 00:50:51,460
And that the Howler would make a
great replacement, even went as

892
00:50:51,460 --> 00:50:54,460
far as to mention that he wanted
the howler to be placed on the

893
00:50:54,460 --> 00:50:58,100
back of the penny.
Roosevelt made a huge mistake by

894
00:50:58,100 --> 00:51:01,620
believing that the Order of The
Who Who needed him more than he

895
00:51:01,620 --> 00:51:05,660
needed the Order, and therefore
it is believed that the order

896
00:51:05,660 --> 00:51:09,380
had assassinated him in order to
keep him away from a third term

897
00:51:09,380 --> 00:51:12,960
as President.
It is then said that shortly

898
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,280
after a personal meeting had
taken place between Roosevelt

899
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,680
and the higher ranking members
of The Who WHO, the organization

900
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:23,320
reached out to a much newer
member who joined in 1905,

901
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,880
Member #14,945 A Warren G
Harding.

902
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,480
Harding was to step forward as a
candidate and the order would

903
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,880
take care of the rest.
Long story short, Harding became

904
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,040
the 29th president of the United
States.

905
00:51:40,570 --> 00:51:43,770
Unfortunately for Harding, he
was surrounded by lobbyists once

906
00:51:43,770 --> 00:51:46,490
in office and approved a bill
that increased the number of

907
00:51:46,490 --> 00:51:48,730
provisions extracted from the
Ozarks.

908
00:51:48,850 --> 00:51:52,450
And this was in direct
contradiction to the orders

909
00:51:52,450 --> 00:51:56,450
cause.
On August 2nd, 1923, Harding

910
00:51:56,450 --> 00:52:01,490
died in room 8064, AKA the
Presidential Suite of the Plaza

911
00:52:01,490 --> 00:52:04,530
Hotel, by an apparent heart
attack while in the presence of

912
00:52:04,530 --> 00:52:07,370
his wife, to add insult to
injury.

913
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,360
After future renovations to the
Plaza Hotel, the Presidential

914
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:16,560
Suite room number was changed to
888Y88.

915
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,800
Well, it's not 100% certain, but
the belief is that the number

916
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:25,080
888 is a direct reference to
Roosevelt's member number, which

917
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:30,000
was 999, the reduction in number
being a tie between the place of

918
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,240
Harding's death and another
member that seemingly betrayed

919
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:37,210
the order now.
Earlier in this presentation I

920
00:52:37,210 --> 00:52:40,050
told the story of three veterans
who had a nasty run in with the

921
00:52:40,050 --> 00:52:42,970
howler in 1946 in Marshfield,
MO.

922
00:52:43,450 --> 00:52:45,810
And I mentioned that there was a
famous visitor who made a trip

923
00:52:45,810 --> 00:52:49,090
to the town.
Well, that visitor came on

924
00:52:49,090 --> 00:52:53,290
September 29th, 1948.
It was done under and President

925
00:52:53,290 --> 00:52:55,850
of the United States Harry S
Truman.

926
00:52:56,490 --> 00:53:00,690
During his speech as he arrived
by railway, Truman may note that

927
00:53:00,690 --> 00:53:05,010
he had previously visited this
small town time and time again.

928
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,320
This turned out to be true, as
he was not only very familiar

929
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,280
with the town elders, but was
also a member of the Freemasons

930
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,160
in which he spent a stint as
their Grand Master from 1940 to

931
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,800
1941.
Truman was born in Missouri and

932
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:25,200
was initially a member of Lodge
#450 in Belton, MO, before doing

933
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,600
many stints as a member of
various other chapters and other

934
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,920
secret societies.
Now we have to go back to The

935
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,000
Who who in Roosevelt and Harding
for a second.

936
00:53:34,850 --> 00:53:37,850
Sometime after the death of
Harding, the order split into

937
00:53:37,850 --> 00:53:41,330
two separate identities due to
many members being upset with

938
00:53:41,330 --> 00:53:43,690
how politically motivated the
Order had become.

939
00:53:44,490 --> 00:53:47,450
The Order, the Whoohoo, still
exists to this day, but the

940
00:53:47,450 --> 00:53:51,090
spinoff, which was now simply
known as the Sawmen, took over

941
00:53:51,090 --> 00:53:55,690
the original goal of the Whoohoo
as protectors of the Ozarks and

942
00:53:55,690 --> 00:53:58,330
the Howler.
The sawmen stayed active with

943
00:53:58,330 --> 00:54:01,010
the Whoohoo.
But were a completely

944
00:54:01,010 --> 00:54:04,450
nonpolitical entity.
Other than accepting funding for

945
00:54:04,450 --> 00:54:08,210
their protection plans, which
was filtered by the Order, the

946
00:54:08,210 --> 00:54:12,290
Saw men became a real, quote UN
quote secret society.

947
00:54:12,690 --> 00:54:14,890
It stayed completely out of the
limelight.

948
00:54:15,850 --> 00:54:19,650
They went as far as to even hide
the entrances to their bases and

949
00:54:19,650 --> 00:54:22,410
meeting halls, many of which
were underground.

950
00:54:23,250 --> 00:54:27,330
This is where Truman comes in.
Truman approved funding to the

951
00:54:27,330 --> 00:54:31,130
Sawman for a specific base while
in that meeting at the Masonic

952
00:54:31,130 --> 00:54:34,970
Lodge in Marshfield.
This base was just a few yards

953
00:54:34,970 --> 00:54:38,850
away from the shores of the
Osage River in Missouri and came

954
00:54:38,850 --> 00:54:42,530
equipped with a waterproof door
due to the threat of flooding by

955
00:54:42,530 --> 00:54:47,250
the river and a well placed
quote UN quote log jam used as

956
00:54:47,250 --> 00:54:51,470
cover from people passing by.
The mission of this base was to

957
00:54:51,470 --> 00:54:55,230
be a central control for
protection of the Ozarks and the

958
00:54:55,230 --> 00:54:59,390
Howler from the population boom
in Springfield all the way to

959
00:54:59,390 --> 00:55:03,510
the Kansas border in response to
the attack on the men building

960
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:09,350
their homes 15 years later, the
Truman Dam would be built very

961
00:55:09,350 --> 00:55:12,630
close to the original entrance
of this base, which ended up

962
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:15,310
making that section of the river
into a lake.

963
00:55:15,820 --> 00:55:18,660
It completely engulfed the
original entrance of the

964
00:55:18,660 --> 00:55:23,060
Sawman's base, the reason being
that the nearby growth of the

965
00:55:23,060 --> 00:55:26,740
city of Osceola was getting out
of hand and the threat of

966
00:55:26,740 --> 00:55:29,900
someone finding their secret
government funding hangout was

967
00:55:29,900 --> 00:55:33,900
becoming more likely.
So the dam was built and named

968
00:55:34,300 --> 00:55:37,580
after the man who funded the
base, and a new secret entrance

969
00:55:37,580 --> 00:55:40,940
to the hidden Sawman base was
placed somewhere within the

970
00:55:40,940 --> 00:55:45,040
walls of the Truman Dam.
It is believed at this base is

971
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:49,640
no longer used by the sawmen due
to flooding in 2019 and 2020,

972
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,640
but that hasn't stopped the
sawmen as they are still a

973
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,600
society standing for the
woodsmen, workers and Ozarks to

974
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,240
this day.
Thoughts.

975
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,320
Not much of A secret society if
you can get that much

976
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,120
information on.
Yes, well the sawmen are are

977
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:07,960
hard.
Like you can't really get too

978
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,800
much into them now.
The Order of The Who who started

979
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,600
off as a secret society.
And is no longer a secret

980
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,640
society like you.
I have, dude, I've found

981
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:21,200
memorabilia from them on eBay.
They could find like old tin

982
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:26,080
signs and stuff of this this cat
with the order of The Who who

983
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,880
written around it.
It's pretty cool stuff.

984
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,560
That's pretty cool.
I mean, does this lend any

985
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:32,560
belief?
Does it?

986
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,600
I mean the the people who are
involved in this.

987
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,120
Does this help at all?
Not really for me, really.

988
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,600
Plus, now that we've seen a
picture of apparently the Ozar

989
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,880
cower, I will say that the bald
Eagles definitely better than

990
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:51,080
that, even though all the sounds
of the bald eagle, all the bald

991
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,440
eagle sounds are fake.
And those are from a Turkey

992
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:58,000
vulture.
But whatever I thought the the

993
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,360
bald eagle was done by Red Tail
Hawk.

994
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,090
Oh yeah, probably.
Oh, it was supposed to be a

995
00:57:03,090 --> 00:57:05,130
Turkey vulture, and then it was
changed to bald eagle.

996
00:57:05,130 --> 00:57:08,410
But the Red Tail Hawk is all the
sound effects, because a bald

997
00:57:08,410 --> 00:57:10,210
eagle actually just makes a
cooing sound.

998
00:57:10,610 --> 00:57:15,810
Sounds kind of like a chicken.
What were we talking about if we

999
00:57:15,810 --> 00:57:19,210
before we start dying by Eagles?
If all the if all the stories

1000
00:57:20,530 --> 00:57:22,290
change your opinion about if
it's real or not?

1001
00:57:22,810 --> 00:57:25,690
Not really.
All this government involvement,

1002
00:57:25,690 --> 00:57:27,970
no nothing.
Presidents are always involved

1003
00:57:27,970 --> 00:57:30,050
in some sort of secret society.
That doesn't make him

1004
00:57:30,050 --> 00:57:33,150
legitimate, right?
True, true.

1005
00:57:33,150 --> 00:57:37,750
But the simple fact that that
all this response to the Ozark

1006
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:40,550
howler, I mean the only one that
didn't have anything directly to

1007
00:57:40,550 --> 00:57:44,150
do with the howler was Harding,
but he was in the order of The

1008
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:45,830
Who.
Yeah, but it's also said that

1009
00:57:45,830 --> 00:57:52,230
Roosevelt created such massive
swaths of land for for animal

1010
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:55,190
protection was also for Bigfoot.
And are we really taking

1011
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:57,510
something called Who, Who?
Seriously?

1012
00:57:58,510 --> 00:58:00,310
Don't say that.
They'll fuck you up.

1013
00:58:01,310 --> 00:58:02,750
They they don't exist anymore.
And Hardy?

1014
00:58:02,750 --> 00:58:03,350
No.
Yeah, they do.

1015
00:58:04,590 --> 00:58:06,510
Oh, they do they.
Do, Yeah.

1016
00:58:06,550 --> 00:58:08,870
They said that they they they're
the salmon now.

1017
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:12,550
No, they split into two.
Both of them still still exist.

1018
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:14,470
I'm gonna, I'm gonna get them
real from both.

1019
00:58:14,910 --> 00:58:17,190
That's like calling us the Order
of the Gooch or something,

1020
00:58:17,310 --> 00:58:21,910
right?
Like make sure we clean up your

1021
00:58:21,910 --> 00:58:23,350
who who?
Like, come on.

1022
00:58:23,470 --> 00:58:26,030
Like, yeah, I can't take that
serious.

1023
00:58:26,380 --> 00:58:30,620
I mean, this a legitimate thing.
It was named after the creature.

1024
00:58:30,740 --> 00:58:33,180
One of the names was the Whoo
Hoo oh.

1025
00:58:34,180 --> 00:58:36,740
I like the name The Beast.
It should have been Order of the

1026
00:58:36,740 --> 00:58:39,100
Beast right now that would have
been misconstrued.

1027
00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:43,140
These days we've been like, wow,
that's pretty It's pretty dark

1028
00:58:43,940 --> 00:58:46,020
and satanic.
But like, that would have been a

1029
00:58:46,020 --> 00:58:48,940
lot better than Whoo Hoo.
If it exists.

1030
00:58:48,940 --> 00:58:52,860
It's demonic in origin just
because of what type of

1031
00:58:52,860 --> 00:58:55,260
witchcraft was being practiced
back in those times.

1032
00:58:56,010 --> 00:58:59,770
Well, in Western culture anyway.
Writing.

1033
00:59:00,210 --> 00:59:03,090
These things down.
Lauren, in terms of the

1034
00:59:03,090 --> 00:59:07,170
societies, I don't people will
form a secret society around

1035
00:59:07,170 --> 00:59:11,330
anything just to be kind of part
of a club for power, for

1036
00:59:11,330 --> 00:59:16,050
politics, for prestige.
Yeah, so I don't think that

1037
00:59:16,050 --> 00:59:20,770
necessarily gives it the Ozark
howl or any weight.

1038
00:59:21,530 --> 00:59:24,890
Also considering how large like
look at.

1039
00:59:25,490 --> 00:59:29,850
Nessy and Loch Ness.
Look at how large that's gotten,

1040
00:59:30,130 --> 00:59:34,490
and we're pretty darn sure that
that does not exist.

1041
00:59:36,210 --> 00:59:39,210
Even just your guys's episode.
That was kind of the general

1042
00:59:39,210 --> 00:59:43,890
consensus.
So I I wouldn't be surprised

1043
00:59:43,890 --> 00:59:47,170
that something like this would
get to be a huge legend.

1044
00:59:47,170 --> 00:59:49,970
And then there's just offshoots
from that.

1045
00:59:50,690 --> 00:59:52,690
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.

1046
00:59:52,690 --> 00:59:57,750
I think that the.
The time of Roosevelt's death to

1047
00:59:57,750 --> 01:00:01,750
when he supposedly had this
meeting with The Who who he came

1048
01:00:01,750 --> 01:00:03,430
out and said, well, I'm going to
hunt this bitch.

1049
01:00:03,630 --> 01:00:06,470
And then he just died.
Like shortly after.

1050
01:00:06,830 --> 01:00:08,990
You're going to release this
episode, and I know where I'm

1051
01:00:08,990 --> 01:00:12,070
going when I die, so I'm going
to hunt this thing.

1052
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:18,150
All, here comes The Who.
Well, I mean, I don't care,

1053
01:00:18,350 --> 01:00:19,150
right?
Yeah.

1054
01:00:20,190 --> 01:00:21,790
Oh, no.
I won't have to pay bills and

1055
01:00:21,790 --> 01:00:24,750
taxes anymore and I'll be home
with Jesus, like who cares?

1056
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:28,550
What?
And Whitney gets $500,000 for my

1057
01:00:28,710 --> 01:00:30,950
life insurance and.
What if you get there and he

1058
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:34,990
taxes you on something?
I don't know, man.

1059
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:38,510
But yeah, I mean, honestly, this
is wrapping up to just be

1060
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:41,710
another one of those things
where just like wanting to take,

1061
01:00:42,190 --> 01:00:44,350
you know, was it tales from the
Animal Kingdom?

1062
01:00:44,350 --> 01:00:47,150
We'll have to take him up on his
offer for the streaking woods.

1063
01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:49,910
We're going to have to go to the
Ozarks and see if we can

1064
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:54,070
actually find this thing.
And maybe it's that little rat

1065
01:00:54,270 --> 01:00:58,230
dog, cat looking thing with the
antlers and maybe it's maybe

1066
01:00:58,230 --> 01:01:00,590
it's legit.
Maybe it's just like what Lauren

1067
01:01:00,590 --> 01:01:04,270
drew and we're gonna have to
prep a wall mount for this

1068
01:01:04,270 --> 01:01:05,910
thing.
Quick start shaking a cup.

1069
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:07,390
We need funding to go do this
hunt.

1070
01:01:09,910 --> 01:01:15,950
I'm gonna waste some books, you
know, going back to that

1071
01:01:15,950 --> 01:01:17,110
picture.
I don't know, man.

1072
01:01:17,110 --> 01:01:21,950
I I look at that and I see if
that's a if that's a a youth, I

1073
01:01:21,950 --> 01:01:24,920
think that.
Mom or Dad looks fucking scary.

1074
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,200
That's just me.
But I agree with Lauren though.

1075
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:33,720
We see that in in felines and
canines and I'm sure other

1076
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:40,000
animals too, that the paws, the
ears, they're pretty much,

1077
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,480
they're not exactly the adult
size, but they're way bigger if

1078
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,200
the animal is supposed to get
massive, right.

1079
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:48,520
And so it's like, I I don't
know.

1080
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,720
I don't buy that that thing is a
is a pup, considering it's so

1081
01:01:52,260 --> 01:01:54,660
skinny and lanky and its paws
and ears are so small.

1082
01:01:55,220 --> 01:01:57,620
So the one thing I do want to
point out is like we're talking

1083
01:01:57,620 --> 01:02:00,660
about something could be feline
in nature, but it also has

1084
01:02:00,740 --> 01:02:04,620
antlers, right, Where if we're
looking at the animal Kingdom as

1085
01:02:04,620 --> 01:02:09,100
well, something like a feline
packs claws and fangs because

1086
01:02:09,100 --> 01:02:13,100
they're predatory, an animal
packs antlers as defense.

1087
01:02:14,220 --> 01:02:17,820
So we're looking so like you
don't really see both things

1088
01:02:18,620 --> 01:02:23,190
typically in one animal.
Where they have you prey,

1089
01:02:23,190 --> 01:02:25,350
animals typically have defensive
weapons.

1090
01:02:25,350 --> 01:02:30,830
Where predators have offensive
weapons, we're looking at an

1091
01:02:30,830 --> 01:02:35,870
animal that has both Fiji
mermaid taxidermized animal.

1092
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:40,830
Very interesting, CJ.
I mean, this is definitely a

1093
01:02:41,110 --> 01:02:45,950
long shot, but there have been
animals and even people who will

1094
01:02:45,950 --> 01:02:51,270
end up with like keratinized
growths that can show up.

1095
01:02:51,580 --> 01:02:55,740
On the the face to the forehead
that resemble kind of horns.

1096
01:02:55,740 --> 01:03:01,300
They're not gonna get to the
size of like a Rams horn or an

1097
01:03:01,300 --> 01:03:03,620
elk antler.
But you never know, Maybe

1098
01:03:03,620 --> 01:03:07,380
somebody saw a bear with some
weird characterized something on

1099
01:03:07,380 --> 01:03:10,620
its forehead and was like, those
are horns, and then that spurred

1100
01:03:10,620 --> 01:03:14,220
all of these legends.
That's a pretty good idea too,

1101
01:03:14,940 --> 01:03:17,580
for sure.
I like that one rabbits.

1102
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,800
Have some sort of disease some
of them will get and they

1103
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,080
actually look like they have
some some little jackalopes.

1104
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,120
Well, that's that's where people
are like, oh, I saw a Jackalope

1105
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,280
and they're like, no, you just
saw a sick rabbit.

1106
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,040
That thing would be a mount.
I'd I'd take one of those.

1107
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,320
And being like this is awesome.
No.

1108
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,480
Well, then, any rabbit that you
have in life will always have

1109
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,360
those horns.
They'll get this disease.

1110
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:44,120
And we know how much you love
rabbits.

1111
01:03:44,570 --> 01:03:46,850
You went what if it?
What if it was like, you know,

1112
01:03:46,850 --> 01:03:49,410
let's really, let's really reach
for some straws here.

1113
01:03:51,050 --> 01:03:55,570
What if it was like a feline
esque animal that had some sort

1114
01:03:55,570 --> 01:03:58,170
of it was susceptible to some
form of Cordyceps.

1115
01:03:59,690 --> 01:04:01,930
See now that's.
The form stalks on the head.

1116
01:04:02,450 --> 01:04:06,450
Cordyceps is a scary thing.
I I think that if Cordyceps can

1117
01:04:06,450 --> 01:04:09,840
never make the jump, that's
really bad for us, talking about

1118
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,800
the fungus.
Yeah, the thing that basically

1119
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:17,200
it drives the the creature,
like, it just jumps in into the

1120
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,560
driver's seat.
It just drives you up until like

1121
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,600
the top of a Bush and then you
just die there so they can grow

1122
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,080
underneath the sunlight.
It's.

1123
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,720
I mean, it's it's literally
zombification.

1124
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:31,760
A lot of them behave in
different patterns.

1125
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,000
Some of them make the animal
turn into bait for predatory

1126
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,200
animals so it can breed in the
intestinal tracts of the

1127
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,490
predators.
But like, I mean, it's not

1128
01:04:40,970 --> 01:04:43,850
completely out of the realm of
possibility that a species, of

1129
01:04:43,850 --> 01:04:48,530
course, has maybe found its way
into a smaller feline species

1130
01:04:48,530 --> 01:04:50,650
that maybe we hadn't classified
at the time.

1131
01:04:51,130 --> 01:04:54,330
This corsets could have taken it
over, made it violent in those

1132
01:04:54,330 --> 01:04:58,650
In those instances, corsets are
also known to form stalks in the

1133
01:04:58,650 --> 01:05:02,530
head, especially like things
like snails and stuff.

1134
01:05:02,530 --> 01:05:05,970
It'll form such a stalks to take
it.

1135
01:05:06,050 --> 01:05:09,660
Take that over.
It's not unreasonable think that

1136
01:05:09,660 --> 01:05:15,060
it would make it violent and
then if it wiped out that feline

1137
01:05:15,060 --> 01:05:20,020
species before we had a chance
to classify, it definitely

1138
01:05:20,020 --> 01:05:22,660
wouldn't be the first Wildcat to
get wiped out of the United

1139
01:05:22,660 --> 01:05:23,220
States.
That's.

1140
01:05:24,540 --> 01:05:25,580
Right.
No, you're right.

1141
01:05:25,580 --> 01:05:28,700
Definitely wouldn't be now that
you brought it up a man.

1142
01:05:28,780 --> 01:05:30,740
That's that's what I'm going to
dive into saying.

1143
01:05:30,780 --> 01:05:32,500
I'm not going to be able to go
to sleep now.

1144
01:05:32,500 --> 01:05:35,670
Thanks.
Yeah, I saw, I saw this picture

1145
01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:39,150
of like the the bottom left
picture with these like grab

1146
01:05:39,150 --> 01:05:41,590
worms or whatever and my scalp
started itching and I was like

1147
01:05:41,590 --> 01:05:44,030
great.
I was like.

1148
01:05:45,030 --> 01:05:47,990
Yeah, but yeah, I mean, you see,
it's it.

1149
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:52,070
It gets like these fungal
growths and it literally drives

1150
01:05:52,070 --> 01:05:55,070
you.
Are they hard or are they soft?

1151
01:05:55,550 --> 01:05:56,910
Maybe they're hard in the
species.

1152
01:05:58,630 --> 01:06:02,550
It depends on what that type of
Cordyceps is designed to like,

1153
01:06:02,550 --> 01:06:05,510
how it reproduces.
Like the Cordyceps itself, its

1154
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:08,110
whole thing is for it to
reproduce spores.

1155
01:06:08,110 --> 01:06:12,550
So it depends on how it does it.
Is it in the intestinal tract of

1156
01:06:12,550 --> 01:06:14,830
another animal, or is it in the
sunlight?

1157
01:06:14,830 --> 01:06:17,190
Jeremy said.
Or is it under a damp rock?

1158
01:06:17,750 --> 01:06:21,950
You know, however, that fungus
creates more spores, and that

1159
01:06:21,950 --> 01:06:28,310
determines what it does.
But it's literally the concept

1160
01:06:28,310 --> 01:06:30,910
of many zombie movies, but in
the insect world.

1161
01:06:33,510 --> 01:06:36,950
All right, Y'all ready?
Ready all.

1162
01:06:37,150 --> 01:06:40,510
Right, there are those that hate
it.

1163
01:06:42,030 --> 01:06:44,390
Yes, it does seem to be true
that there are plenty of

1164
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:47,070
entities that were created in
order to protect the creature,

1165
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:50,350
but what were they protecting
the creature against?

1166
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:52,480
Yes, of course they were
protecting it against the

1167
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,200
average hunter.
And yes, that applies to small

1168
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:58,600
towns, people driving down
lonely, dark dirt roads,

1169
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,680
campers, and even people who
were seeking the creature out

1170
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,400
directly.
But the creature also had

1171
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,280
another enemy who came in the
form of the Cumberland

1172
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:12,120
Presbyterian Church's second
minister, 1 Horace Greenleaf.

1173
01:07:13,250 --> 01:07:17,010
Minister Greenleaf was accepted
in by all hands of the church's

1174
01:07:17,010 --> 01:07:20,250
congregation and during his
first sermon pointed to a

1175
01:07:20,250 --> 01:07:24,170
stained window with a depiction
of the howler and identified the

1176
01:07:24,170 --> 01:07:28,210
creature as an evil presence and
one that sided with demonic

1177
01:07:28,210 --> 01:07:31,250
entities.
This was met with a split of

1178
01:07:31,250 --> 01:07:33,490
emotions by the people who
received the sermon.

1179
01:07:34,210 --> 01:07:38,290
The church's choir director
Miriam Frawley was one of which

1180
01:07:38,290 --> 01:07:40,850
who were thoroughly upset with
the words of the minister.

1181
01:07:41,730 --> 01:07:44,570
In her anger, she left the
church and gathered a group of

1182
01:07:44,570 --> 01:07:47,890
the most prominent families of
the congregation and together

1183
01:07:47,890 --> 01:07:51,050
they created a pamphlet in which
they described the howler as

1184
01:07:51,050 --> 01:07:54,970
akin to Christian angels.
She claimed that the simple fact

1185
01:07:55,090 --> 01:07:57,970
the creature's image was enough
to send the bravest running for

1186
01:07:57,970 --> 01:08:00,650
the hills, since angels were
depicted as not being the

1187
01:08:00,650 --> 01:08:04,690
beautiful humans in white cloth
with white feathery wings, but

1188
01:08:04,690 --> 01:08:07,690
rather they were described as
flying eyeballs, burning wheels

1189
01:08:07,690 --> 01:08:11,450
in the sky, 2 headed serpents,
among other terrifying images.

1190
01:08:11,980 --> 01:08:15,340
Following with the fact that if
you encountered an Angel, you

1191
01:08:15,340 --> 01:08:19,220
would scream in terror instead
of worshipping it, tension got

1192
01:08:19,220 --> 01:08:23,020
so bad that on Christmas Eve,
nineteen O 7, Greenleaf stood

1193
01:08:23,020 --> 01:08:25,779
before the congregation and
proclaimed that he would not

1194
01:08:25,779 --> 01:08:29,100
stand to serve the church unless
the window had been removed, and

1195
01:08:29,100 --> 01:08:32,859
continued to grab a large brass
Candlestick and hurled it

1196
01:08:32,859 --> 01:08:35,779
through the window.
The window shattered and the

1197
01:08:35,779 --> 01:08:38,700
collective breath was taken out
of everyone who witnessed the

1198
01:08:38,700 --> 01:08:41,020
tantrum.
And about half of the members

1199
01:08:41,020 --> 01:08:43,899
stood up and walked out of the
church for the last time of

1200
01:08:43,899 --> 01:08:47,660
their lives.
Frawley was furious and yelled

1201
01:08:47,660 --> 01:08:50,460
back at the minister that church
would be cursed due to his

1202
01:08:50,460 --> 01:08:53,859
actions.
A week later, on January 1st,

1203
01:08:53,859 --> 01:08:58,140
1908, a fire broke out in the
church and completely destroyed

1204
01:08:58,140 --> 01:09:02,060
the building.
The blame was set solely on

1205
01:09:02,060 --> 01:09:05,260
Minister Greenleaf and his deeds
against the howler.

1206
01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:09,479
Another conflict between the
howler and a church took place

1207
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:13,520
in the early 1900s in the town
of New Dixie, Arkansas, at the

1208
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,279
St.
Boniface Catholic Church.

1209
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,760
The church was a place for the
predominantly German migrant

1210
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:22,439
population to worship, but
rumors surrounding the Church of

1211
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,720
a cult practices satanic
warship, the abduction of

1212
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,720
infants and toddlers, and a
secret black altar in the

1213
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:32,520
basement which was said to all
be centered around the howler.

1214
01:09:32,950 --> 01:09:36,029
One day, the building nearest
the church, which some claimed

1215
01:09:36,029 --> 01:09:39,870
was the true covenant of the
rumored Satanic worship, was set

1216
01:09:39,870 --> 01:09:42,510
ablaze.
During the church's mass, the

1217
01:09:42,510 --> 01:09:45,710
leaders of the church sent a few
volunteers to tent to the fire

1218
01:09:45,950 --> 01:09:48,350
instead of notifying the local
fire department.

1219
01:09:49,029 --> 01:09:52,069
This was a mistake as the fire
quickly traveled to the church

1220
01:09:52,069 --> 01:09:55,870
and the building burned down
completely in a similar fashion

1221
01:09:55,870 --> 01:09:58,310
to the onslaught of the black
Dog of Bungay.

1222
01:09:58,730 --> 01:10:01,570
That we covered in our 91st
episode titled Black Shuck and

1223
01:10:01,570 --> 01:10:04,970
the Other British Black Dogs.
Some claim to have seen the

1224
01:10:04,970 --> 01:10:08,370
beast prowling around in the
fire as if it were enjoying the

1225
01:10:08,410 --> 01:10:11,690
entire event.
That's it, everybody.

1226
01:10:12,210 --> 01:10:18,410
That's everything that I have on
the Ozark Howler 2 episodes.

1227
01:10:18,650 --> 01:10:26,550
CJ Yep, Okay, you lost me.
Why did the guy throw the

1228
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:31,910
Candlestick through the window?
The howler was seen as a demonic

1229
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:37,910
entity by him, and he did not
want to serve the church under

1230
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:40,940
the image of a demonic entity.
Churches have done that for

1231
01:10:40,940 --> 01:10:44,260
forever, like really old
cathedrals with their gargoyles

1232
01:10:44,260 --> 01:10:45,660
and stuff purchased on the
outside.

1233
01:10:45,780 --> 01:10:47,940
Hey, man, that doesn't
necessarily mean that it's real,

1234
01:10:47,980 --> 01:10:48,780
you know?
Right.

1235
01:10:48,780 --> 01:10:51,380
I'm just telling you the yeah,
yeah, yeah, for sure, but.

1236
01:10:51,620 --> 01:10:54,300
It's really they equated to like
things like the Seraphim, the

1237
01:10:54,300 --> 01:10:59,140
Cherubim and and et cetera, et
cetera, et cetera on that too

1238
01:10:59,140 --> 01:11:02,020
like because none of those none
of those angelic descriptions

1239
01:11:02,020 --> 01:11:06,100
match anything like the Howler,
like they don't even they don't

1240
01:11:06,100 --> 01:11:08,600
even look right.
It sounds like such like a

1241
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,480
horror movie base.
Like we have a church, but it's

1242
01:11:11,480 --> 01:11:15,640
not really church.
It's Satan posing as a thing

1243
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,320
running a church that's
pretending to be worshiping God.

1244
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,240
But really, you're worshiping
Satan like.

1245
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:25,040
Both of those cases just kind of
feel like human hysteria to me.

1246
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:26,760
Sounds like, yeah, Koontz wrote
it.

1247
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,760
Dean Koontz has one good book
that is.

1248
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,720
It Don't you ever disparage Dean
Koontz in front of me.

1249
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:36,200
I will.
I will walk.

1250
01:11:37,020 --> 01:11:39,860
Wisconsin won to be with you.
You should.

1251
01:11:40,140 --> 01:11:46,700
Then we can finally shake hands.
But yeah, one good book.

1252
01:11:46,780 --> 01:11:49,660
That's it.
So that's it, Lauren.

1253
01:11:50,380 --> 01:11:51,740
How was it?
It was great.

1254
01:11:51,900 --> 01:11:54,260
It was fun.
Tell me how bad it was.

1255
01:11:54,780 --> 01:11:58,940
The beginning was a little bit.
I feel like I was kind of

1256
01:11:58,940 --> 01:12:01,460
nervous at the beginning.
I talked really fast and too

1257
01:12:01,460 --> 01:12:04,460
much but during the intro.
But you know what?

1258
01:12:04,540 --> 01:12:07,530
Y'all weren't.
Nearly as intimidating as I

1259
01:12:07,530 --> 01:12:09,130
thought you would.
Be No one talks more than

1260
01:12:09,130 --> 01:12:11,370
Jeremy.
Listen, Badass.

1261
01:12:14,730 --> 01:12:21,050
Canceled.
All right, let's ask the final

1262
01:12:21,050 --> 01:12:23,530
question.
Jake, you first.

1263
01:12:24,130 --> 01:12:26,250
Real Fake.
Fake.

1264
01:12:26,890 --> 01:12:29,410
I'm unconvinced.
And I was definitely more

1265
01:12:29,410 --> 01:12:34,780
unconvinced when you know all.
Well not all, but most, like you

1266
01:12:34,780 --> 01:12:40,900
said of the newer sightings were
all fake because it was one

1267
01:12:40,900 --> 01:12:46,820
person, multiple different
usernames and stuff, which isn't

1268
01:12:46,820 --> 01:12:50,420
even like that out of the realm
of possibilities because I one

1269
01:12:50,420 --> 01:12:53,740
person gave you two, five star
reviews using different names.

1270
01:12:54,260 --> 01:12:57,190
So that could mean that one
person could make just a bunch

1271
01:12:57,190 --> 01:12:59,910
of different usernames at
different times, even if it's

1272
01:12:59,910 --> 01:13:01,870
spaced out between like a week
or a month or whatever.

1273
01:13:01,870 --> 01:13:04,070
And just say I had this
experience and then someone else

1274
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:05,990
says I have this experience,
it's the same person.

1275
01:13:07,150 --> 01:13:10,110
You know that was that was my
hope was that there would be

1276
01:13:10,510 --> 01:13:12,950
photographic evidence with newer
sightings.

1277
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:17,390
And we see the photographic
evidence and it looks like you

1278
01:13:17,390 --> 01:13:20,920
know either like the mermaids
right where it's just like a

1279
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:26,240
monkey taped to a fish or or and
everyone's like worshipping it

1280
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:33,160
and stuff or you know it's just
not as even if it is real it's

1281
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:38,120
not nearly as impressive as
people are making it out to be.

1282
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:42,120
So if it is Israel, it's it's
not what they say.

1283
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,960
And I'm really just chalking
this up to in my mind that it's

1284
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:50,460
just, it's like the Snaligaster,
it's just another type of legend

1285
01:13:50,980 --> 01:13:52,900
that people got all way big
into.

1286
01:13:53,540 --> 01:13:57,900
And I think during the
Snaligaster episode, who do we

1287
01:13:57,900 --> 01:14:01,300
have on that one?
Snaligaster We had Sarah.

1288
01:14:01,820 --> 01:14:04,380
There you go, Sarah.
Sarah from the Snaligaster

1289
01:14:04,380 --> 01:14:06,020
Museum.
I should know that, right?

1290
01:14:06,300 --> 01:14:11,020
But she said that there's a huge
cult following around the whole

1291
01:14:11,020 --> 01:14:13,660
thing, a lot of witchcraft and
stuff and everything like that,

1292
01:14:13,660 --> 01:14:17,260
but yet there's zero evidence of
its actual existence.

1293
01:14:18,010 --> 01:14:20,170
And I think that it's just like
that, you know, secret side

1294
01:14:20,210 --> 01:14:23,570
societies aside, I mean that
could just be a part of like the

1295
01:14:23,570 --> 01:14:27,050
major cult following of this
thing, right?

1296
01:14:27,050 --> 01:14:30,690
It's just a really cool local
legend, way cooler than the

1297
01:14:30,690 --> 01:14:35,370
Fresno Nightcrawler and so.
But I'm I'm not convinced

1298
01:14:35,370 --> 01:14:42,550
because of the because of the
attraction and the, you know,

1299
01:14:42,750 --> 01:14:47,310
mass Asteria around it or the
popularity of it, that that

1300
01:14:47,310 --> 01:14:49,870
makes it real.
And I'm certainly not in the

1301
01:14:49,870 --> 01:14:53,430
realm of people that think that
just because you you all think

1302
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:56,190
about the same thing, that
summons it into reality.

1303
01:14:57,510 --> 01:15:02,390
So I'm just not convinced.
But at the same time, if we

1304
01:15:02,390 --> 01:15:05,470
wanted to plan a trip to the
Ozarks to go find it, even if it

1305
01:15:05,470 --> 01:15:08,550
was like a cool road trip, you
know, just post out and see, you

1306
01:15:08,550 --> 01:15:10,590
know, set up some game show
cameras, what can we see?

1307
01:15:10,630 --> 01:15:12,630
That would be cool too.
Get taken by.

1308
01:15:12,630 --> 01:15:17,310
The Who who robes thrown over
our heads.

1309
01:15:17,710 --> 01:15:19,630
I was gonna make a joke, but
I'll keep it to myself.

1310
01:15:20,230 --> 01:15:26,310
Same thing, same joke.
Alright, CJ, I'm with.

1311
01:15:26,350 --> 01:15:27,830
I'm with.
Jake, it's it's fake.

1312
01:15:28,590 --> 01:15:31,150
I like I was like real heavy
onto the like the witchcraft

1313
01:15:31,150 --> 01:15:34,470
portion of it and like if if
anything like the initial

1314
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:37,470
stories of like it being like
this big monster with like horns

1315
01:15:37,470 --> 01:15:40,500
and.
All over the the place all at

1316
01:15:40,500 --> 01:15:42,820
once.
And like assaulting people like

1317
01:15:42,820 --> 01:15:48,500
that would be very like demonic
spirit summoning for vengeance

1318
01:15:48,500 --> 01:15:54,380
reasons like.
But no, we have a guy who played

1319
01:15:54,380 --> 01:15:59,100
with lead a lot came down and
claimed it was real like you

1320
01:15:59,100 --> 01:16:00,340
know it was a cat with quarter
steps.

1321
01:16:00,340 --> 01:16:02,820
I like that explanation.
It was a cat with quarter steps.

1322
01:16:03,820 --> 01:16:05,780
I hope it wasn't a cat with
quarter steps.

1323
01:16:07,050 --> 01:16:08,530
Hope not.
I hope that's not a thing.

1324
01:16:08,570 --> 01:16:09,570
Yet.
But I like.

1325
01:16:09,850 --> 01:16:12,970
I like that one.
All right, Lauren, what do you

1326
01:16:12,970 --> 01:16:16,170
think?
Well, like most cryptids, I

1327
01:16:16,170 --> 01:16:20,450
think that somebody saw
something at one point that was

1328
01:16:20,450 --> 01:16:25,250
some really messed up bear, some
really messed up cat and went

1329
01:16:25,250 --> 01:16:29,970
that doesn't look normal.
And then I think the point was

1330
01:16:29,970 --> 01:16:32,250
interesting when you're talking
about all the different English

1331
01:16:32,250 --> 01:16:35,090
and French folklore and how it
ended up kind of being a mix of

1332
01:16:35,090 --> 01:16:37,700
those.
I think they were explaining

1333
01:16:37,700 --> 01:16:42,700
something normal.
Maybe it was not a good look at

1334
01:16:42,700 --> 01:16:46,340
it, maybe kind of messed up, got
in a fight, had some growth on

1335
01:16:46,340 --> 01:16:50,340
it and they explained it using
their legends and then that

1336
01:16:50,340 --> 01:16:53,860
spiraled because, I mean, they
were all out in the woods, they

1337
01:16:53,860 --> 01:16:56,540
were seeing bears, they were
seeing cats, they were seeing

1338
01:16:56,540 --> 01:17:00,300
shadows.
And if you're hearing all about

1339
01:17:00,300 --> 01:17:05,600
this demonic looking beast.
You're gonna use that to explain

1340
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,040
it.
Plus it's a cool story to tell

1341
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:10,320
your friends.
Be like I fought off this beast.

1342
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:15,400
I almost died.
Yeah, it kept destroying our

1343
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:19,200
timber out in the woods.
Yeah, that's who.

1344
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:22,000
What do you mean the project
needs more funding and you need

1345
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:23,840
more time to build it?
What happened?

1346
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:27,520
Oh, let me tell you man, that's
crazy story.

1347
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:33,790
Now if that guy really got
stabbed like that, that that is

1348
01:17:33,790 --> 01:17:37,830
interesting, but I've been
stabbed by a tree branch before.

1349
01:17:39,150 --> 01:17:42,310
It could have just been some
dudes fucking off doing stupid

1350
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:44,270
shit.
Somebody gets seriously hurt and

1351
01:17:44,270 --> 01:17:45,470
you're like, dude, shut the fuck
up.

1352
01:17:46,150 --> 01:17:48,190
This was the howler.
Yeah, this is how we're going to

1353
01:17:48,190 --> 01:17:51,950
blame this.
Now come here so I can pull that

1354
01:17:51,950 --> 01:17:55,110
log at your shoulder.
You know, if I go to jail, then

1355
01:17:55,110 --> 01:17:56,590
this place never gets built,
right?

1356
01:17:56,670 --> 01:17:59,430
You know that.
You know how we did the thing

1357
01:17:59,430 --> 01:18:01,890
they said we shouldn't do?
Yeah, we're going to need you to

1358
01:18:01,890 --> 01:18:06,810
be quiet about that.
At one point in my research, I

1359
01:18:06,810 --> 01:18:11,170
was actually getting really
convinced I came into this not

1360
01:18:11,170 --> 01:18:13,290
believing a single thing.
I thought this was just going to

1361
01:18:13,290 --> 01:18:16,210
be some cool story.
I love the folklore aspect to

1362
01:18:16,210 --> 01:18:21,610
it, love the the integration of
different folklore into one

1363
01:18:21,770 --> 01:18:23,490
thing.
And I love when different

1364
01:18:23,610 --> 01:18:28,450
cultures come together.
And create something I love.

1365
01:18:28,490 --> 01:18:30,810
I love that.
And you see that a lot within

1366
01:18:30,810 --> 01:18:32,850
the world of credit zoology.
Who's that?

1367
01:18:32,890 --> 01:18:34,530
I don't.
I don't remember the podcast I

1368
01:18:34,530 --> 01:18:38,050
was on, but we were talking
about the, oh, I was on Phil's

1369
01:18:38,050 --> 01:18:41,370
podcast and we were talking
about dog men.

1370
01:18:41,810 --> 01:18:44,370
Yeah.
And I was talking about how if

1371
01:18:44,370 --> 01:18:48,050
you look at the two points in
the United States where the dog

1372
01:18:48,050 --> 01:18:52,370
man phenomenon basically
started, where all of the lore

1373
01:18:52,370 --> 01:18:55,650
starts is basically in Michigan
and Louisiana.

1374
01:18:56,290 --> 01:18:59,530
Right, Louisiana with the Rue
Baru and up in Michigan with the

1375
01:18:59,530 --> 01:19:03,090
Michigan dog band and you draw a
line directly down the middle.

1376
01:19:03,130 --> 01:19:07,370
They basically line up right
over each other and both of them

1377
01:19:07,370 --> 01:19:15,450
were initially homes to French
immigrants or French explorers

1378
01:19:15,450 --> 01:19:17,210
were coming in through that
area.

1379
01:19:17,850 --> 01:19:22,330
Are those areas they brought
over their their culture, their

1380
01:19:22,330 --> 01:19:27,500
lore of the of their werewolves?
You know the obviously the

1381
01:19:27,500 --> 01:19:32,300
werewolves came from places such
as Romanian are Romania 1st and

1382
01:19:32,300 --> 01:19:35,260
then made its way to France
where it was named the Luca

1383
01:19:35,260 --> 01:19:37,340
Roux.
Then it came up was named the

1384
01:19:37,340 --> 01:19:41,660
Ruguru and then you had these
two that came down the middle.

1385
01:19:41,660 --> 01:19:45,820
And if you look at maps and you
look at where the the dog man

1386
01:19:45,820 --> 01:19:49,100
phenomenon is mostly prevalent,
I mean, although it's all over

1387
01:19:49,100 --> 01:19:53,340
the United States now, the
Mississippi is where it was

1388
01:19:53,340 --> 01:19:55,220
born.
And you have things like the

1389
01:19:55,220 --> 01:19:58,540
Beast of Bray Rd. which is
literally just a few hours drive

1390
01:19:58,540 --> 01:20:02,300
from the Mississippi River.
You have all of these different

1391
01:20:02,540 --> 01:20:08,260
dog men, urban legends that
build off of cultural influence.

1392
01:20:08,620 --> 01:20:11,180
And that's what I was really
trying to paint with all three

1393
01:20:11,180 --> 01:20:14,140
of those things.
And and it was very easy to find

1394
01:20:14,140 --> 01:20:16,740
that it was not hidden.
It was right there on the

1395
01:20:16,740 --> 01:20:18,940
surface.
You take the these three

1396
01:20:18,940 --> 01:20:21,260
cultures, you mix them together
and what do you get?

1397
01:20:21,540 --> 01:20:25,380
Get the Ozark Howler.
I do find it interesting that

1398
01:20:25,460 --> 01:20:27,940
they all came together and they
they said that they saw

1399
01:20:27,940 --> 01:20:30,620
something and what they saw was
their culture.

1400
01:20:31,260 --> 01:20:33,420
My only question is did they
actually see something?

1401
01:20:33,500 --> 01:20:38,340
Cuz I agree I don't think any of
the the the modern sightings are

1402
01:20:38,460 --> 01:20:40,260
relevant at all.
I just don't.

1403
01:20:40,460 --> 01:20:43,820
I think people are are too quick
to want to get some some sort

1404
01:20:43,820 --> 01:20:45,420
of.
Graphic Internet cloud.

1405
01:20:45,660 --> 01:20:47,540
That's that's it.
Yeah, right.

1406
01:20:47,980 --> 01:20:49,580
And I mean, shit, people say
that about me.

1407
01:20:50,390 --> 01:20:53,270
I've had a lot of people,
especially YouTube comments,

1408
01:20:53,390 --> 01:20:55,430
talk about my Bigfoot sighting
and shit.

1409
01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:57,710
That is what it is.
But that's what I believe,

1410
01:20:58,150 --> 01:21:00,510
right?
But when you look back in the

1411
01:21:00,510 --> 01:21:04,310
past, I I do think that, you
know, they may have actually

1412
01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:06,190
been seeing something, don't
know what it is.

1413
01:21:06,590 --> 01:21:09,870
I mean, you have all of the the
lore about the Wampus Cat.

1414
01:21:09,910 --> 01:21:11,870
I mean, these people were
Mountaineers, man.

1415
01:21:11,870 --> 01:21:14,510
They knew the difference between
a Mountain Lion and a Wampus,

1416
01:21:14,830 --> 01:21:16,430
and there was a clear
difference.

1417
01:21:16,430 --> 01:21:18,190
We'll go over that in the later
episode.

1418
01:21:18,850 --> 01:21:21,370
But if they're seeing this thing
and they're calling it more of a

1419
01:21:21,370 --> 01:21:25,210
wampus than than a lion or
whatever you'd think that they

1420
01:21:25,210 --> 01:21:26,250
were, they were seeing
something.

1421
01:21:26,450 --> 01:21:28,330
I don't, I don't think it exists
anymore.

1422
01:21:28,330 --> 01:21:30,290
I think it's a good chance that
something did exist.

1423
01:21:30,290 --> 01:21:33,010
I think the horns are a little
bit stretched out.

1424
01:21:33,010 --> 01:21:35,850
And CJ, you really killed it for
me, man.

1425
01:21:35,850 --> 01:21:38,010
You you put that nail right in
that coffin.

1426
01:21:38,010 --> 01:21:40,890
When you start talking about the
defense animals and the antlers

1427
01:21:40,890 --> 01:21:44,850
and the horns, that is like, I
am a huge fan of biology, man.

1428
01:21:44,850 --> 01:21:48,750
And that is biology that that
that's proof right there, right?

1429
01:21:48,750 --> 01:21:53,230
I mean what what animals in this
world have horns that don't have

1430
01:21:53,230 --> 01:21:56,590
hooves?
Is there anything?

1431
01:21:56,590 --> 01:22:00,310
I mean they're.
I don't think so, right?

1432
01:22:00,870 --> 01:22:06,670
Snails I Crabs.
I don't, I don't think.

1433
01:22:06,710 --> 01:22:14,470
So rhinoceros is oh, those are
this way those are one, yes.

1434
01:22:14,990 --> 01:22:17,110
I don't know.
Do rhinos not have hooves?

1435
01:22:17,830 --> 01:22:21,070
No, no, they get.
They have toes, but they're

1436
01:22:21,070 --> 01:22:22,870
still technically on gilets,
which are.

1437
01:22:23,190 --> 01:22:24,750
Yeah.
Deer and stuff.

1438
01:22:25,630 --> 01:22:27,310
Lauren's very smart.
I like it.

1439
01:22:27,310 --> 01:22:30,950
She's very smart, very smart.
And when you start looking at

1440
01:22:30,950 --> 01:22:36,150
the predators, you start seeing
tusks and Saber tooth teeth,

1441
01:22:36,750 --> 01:22:37,990
right?
Which are more?

1442
01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:40,390
Like elongated commands, Like
pigs.

1443
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:43,110
Bores right?
They have tusks.

1444
01:22:43,310 --> 01:22:45,990
You see them coming out from the
bottom, not from the top.

1445
01:22:46,750 --> 01:22:54,110
So I mean, CJ, you nailed it.
I do not believe in the modern

1446
01:22:54,670 --> 01:22:57,470
Ozark howler, but I think that
there might have been something.

1447
01:22:57,470 --> 01:23:00,750
I just don't think it had
antlers or horns.

1448
01:23:00,750 --> 01:23:03,870
Whatever.
Good topic Lauren.

1449
01:23:04,390 --> 01:23:05,990
This is this is a lot of fun to
do.

1450
01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:09,110
I'm I'm just glad you did it,
'cause it's my favorite.

1451
01:23:09,110 --> 01:23:11,070
I also really liked the OGO
Pogo.

1452
01:23:11,070 --> 01:23:15,190
That's like my other favorite
Nice OGO Pogo.

1453
01:23:15,630 --> 01:23:20,570
I miss so much on that.
I've come across so much more

1454
01:23:20,570 --> 01:23:25,810
information in my time with this
show that I really wish I had

1455
01:23:25,810 --> 01:23:28,730
added to that episode.
Maybe one day, another one,

1456
01:23:28,730 --> 01:23:31,490
maybe maybe one day.
I got a lot more to do first.

1457
01:23:31,890 --> 01:23:37,210
But yeah, go toss, All right.
Does anybody else have anything

1458
01:23:37,330 --> 01:23:40,650
to say?
I think you did a great episode.

1459
01:23:41,850 --> 01:23:44,450
You put a lot of time and effort
into a lot of research and what

1460
01:23:44,450 --> 01:23:46,210
you were saying, like reaching
out to people.

1461
01:23:46,700 --> 01:23:48,500
And stuff like that.
I think that you did a really

1462
01:23:48,500 --> 01:23:50,900
Dang good job.
Well, this It was fake, but it

1463
01:23:50,900 --> 01:23:53,780
was a good job.
This was this was the first time

1464
01:23:53,780 --> 01:23:58,100
that I gathered the balls to
send some emails.

1465
01:23:58,260 --> 01:23:59,980
I even made.
I made two phone calls.

1466
01:23:59,980 --> 01:24:02,900
Who?
Did you call, We'll talk about

1467
01:24:02,900 --> 01:24:07,420
that offer, Okay, but you.
Called Roosevelt.

1468
01:24:08,020 --> 01:24:12,860
No, you did a seance to ask
Roosevelt directly, but I did

1469
01:24:12,860 --> 01:24:18,100
reach out to a member of The Who
what I did, I did.

1470
01:24:18,100 --> 01:24:19,740
I was just like looking for
history of it.

1471
01:24:20,020 --> 01:24:22,260
That's it.
Just kind of trying to figure

1472
01:24:22,260 --> 01:24:24,340
out, you know, some of the
history behind the name and

1473
01:24:24,340 --> 01:24:27,780
everything and whether or not it
was really tied to the the Ozark

1474
01:24:27,780 --> 01:24:29,300
Keller and sure enough, yeah,
that's.

1475
01:24:29,380 --> 01:24:30,980
Are you a full-fledged member
now?

1476
01:24:31,140 --> 01:24:35,580
No, not at all.
I mean, this is, this is all,

1477
01:24:35,580 --> 01:24:39,420
you know, public knowledge now
about the origins and

1478
01:24:39,420 --> 01:24:42,020
everything, but you know, just
to hear it confirmed by somebody

1479
01:24:42,020 --> 01:24:45,600
who is a member, or at least
claims to be a member, that was

1480
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,880
pretty cool.
All right, Lauren, one more

1481
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,240
time.
Let everybody know where they

1482
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:53,960
can see that awesome artwork.
Do it.

1483
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:57,800
Yeah.
So you can see it on Instagram

1484
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:02,360
at El Mecum Studio.
That's LMECUM Studio.

1485
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,280
Yeah, go check it out.
Like I said, pretty much

1486
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:10,280
anything on there is you can buy
the original or prints and I had

1487
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:12,960
to do custom long boards and
commissions and all that kind of

1488
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,290
stuff.
Just great work everybody.

1489
01:25:15,610 --> 01:25:17,490
At the very least, please go
check it out.

1490
01:25:17,490 --> 01:25:20,930
Good stuff, really good stuff.
Lauren, thank you for coming on

1491
01:25:20,930 --> 01:25:24,450
to the The Infinite Rabbit Hole
podcast and thank you for your

1492
01:25:24,730 --> 01:25:25,930
request.
This is cool.

1493
01:25:25,930 --> 01:25:28,610
I'm happy that I was able to get
this in before you took off,

1494
01:25:29,290 --> 01:25:31,170
because you're almost done at
work, right?

1495
01:25:32,090 --> 01:25:34,170
Yeah, Couple more weeks or
something.

1496
01:25:35,010 --> 01:25:37,650
CJ Badass.
It's always nice to see you,

1497
01:25:37,650 --> 01:25:39,330
man.
Yeah, thanks.

1498
01:25:40,170 --> 01:25:41,410
It was nice having you back,
man.

1499
01:25:41,410 --> 01:25:44,280
I I miss you.
Miss you a lot, you know that.

1500
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:46,520
I appreciate you.
I miss you playing arc.

1501
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:50,160
I don't.
I haven't turned my PlayStation

1502
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:55,280
on in over a year now.
A year, going on, a year and a

1503
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,840
half.
Well, you look good, man.

1504
01:25:57,840 --> 01:25:59,000
You.
I don't think I've seen you

1505
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:02,760
smile before and got to see that
a couple times today.

1506
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:04,320
That's pretty good.
So it looks like you're in a

1507
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:06,280
good place, man.
Yeah, yeah.

1508
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:08,360
I'm definitely doing a lot
better than I was.

1509
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:10,880
Good stuff, dude.
Jake.

1510
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:12,820
Jake.
Jake is Jake.

1511
01:26:12,820 --> 01:26:15,820
That's it.
Jake, you know I love you, man.

1512
01:26:16,540 --> 01:26:18,820
Me.
All right.

1513
01:26:19,220 --> 01:26:21,020
Well, that's been another
episode of the Infinite Rabbit

1514
01:26:21,020 --> 01:26:23,220
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1515
01:26:23,380 --> 01:26:25,260
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1516
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01:26:33,220 --> 01:26:36,420
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