171. Q2 2024 Wrap-Up

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Everyone else, welcome back to
The Infinite Rabbit Hole.

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I'm your host Jeremy, and today
we're going to wrap up quarter 2

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of 2024.
We're going to visit some of the

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topics that we talked about
during this quarter and we're

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going to bullshit with each
other and probably rag on Jeff

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the entire time because he
didn't contribute this quarter.

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Good.
Yeah, fuck him anyways, Jake.

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How are you, man?
I'm OK.

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I just woke up from a nap, so
I'm like ready to be here.

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You know, I'm surprised.
It's like quarter 2/20/24.

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I would have thought for sure
Meteor would have hit us by now.

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You would have thought, right?
Yeah, I'm sure.

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I bet to the to the yearly
bingo.

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I'm sure tinfoil head Jeff can
can come up with a reason why.

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Why what?
Why the meteor hasn't hit us

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yet?
It's all hitting all the star

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link in tennis.
Who says it hasn't?

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True.
Just living in an alternate

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world.
I'm under the impression that

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we're being hit by meteors in
infinite amount of times every

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infinitesimal fractal of a
second.

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He's like, when's the last time
you heard any news out of

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Romania?
Speaking of Romania, we were #4

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on their charts for
documentaries.

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That's pretty awesome.
Thank you, Romania.

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Yeah, that's.
Pretty sick.

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Yeah, that's pretty awesome.
We're we're sucking wind here in

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the US, but in Romania, fucking
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Nice number. 4IN Romania, that's
cool.

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Well, we're trying something new
today.

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We are live, we have one fan in
the house, Skeeter, he's here

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chat with us over on the the
chat.

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We got the confirmation that he
is able to see and hear us now

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by the way.
So Skeeter, if you have any.

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Questions for this live thing?
I I posted it on Facebook.

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Go to the Facebook.
Oh yeah, she can listen to it

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there.
She can listen to it.

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There go.
On Facebook.

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There you go.
Look at us.

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You're live right now.
You can just.

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You're live?
Yeah.

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Yeah, we heard her say that.
Anyways, go ahead the whole.

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World heard her.
Say that we can't hear it.

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That's.
Right, Romania heard her say

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that.
They did.

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They did.
All right, So we're here to talk

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about the episodes that we did
here on quarter two, and we'll

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probably end up talking a little
bit about UFO Days and maybe a

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little bit about the future of
Infinite Rabbit Hole.

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So first on the docket tonight,
gentlemen, Pepe the monster of

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Lake Pepin.
Jeff, you're a Cryptid guy.

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What do you think?
Yeah, I'm an expert Cryptid guy.

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That's my degree title.
And no, So like, look here, I'll

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say I've said this 100 times,
man.

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I'm beating a dead horse with
this man.

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I I'm when it, when it comes to
cryptids, if there's any

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cryptids that I think probably
actually do exist, it's any of

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these water cryptids, man.
You know, just because there are

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all these caves and all kinds of
shit under the water.

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All right, So you could come at
me and be like, hey, man,

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there's a whatever.
I don't know.

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I remember how big you said it
was in the episode.

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I think you said like 30 feet,
20 feet, something like that.

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Some sightings were.
I, I think there's sporadic

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reports, man.
It's a little bit of this,

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little bit of that.
Well, you could come at me and

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blaze a 30 foot something, I'd
be like, all right, I mean, hey,

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has anybody been down there to
verify that there's not?

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I think the wildest thing about
Pepe, and I think Jake's going

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to agree here because we've
talked about it numerous times,

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actually off, off the mic bull
sharks that far up the

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Mississippi.
Crazy.

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How cool is that?
I like, I was doing yard work

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and I had to steady myself
against a tree.

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I was so shocked about that.
I was like, yeah, shaky, shaking

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the knees because I I, no, I was
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I don't like the beach going.
I've lived on both coasts.

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I don't like going in the water
because of stuff in the water.

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And it's like, it's probably
unreasonable.

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OK, who cares?
But I didn't know that.

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It's like I'm a light guy.
I didn't know that I could be

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swimming in a lake and get
attacked by a freaking bull

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shark.
What?

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And then there's these small
tributaries over in the

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Minnesota side of things where
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hatchlings, just little little
baby sharks in streams and

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stuff.
How nuts is that?

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You gotta take them out.
It's like carp, just kill all of

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them.
Well, it's, it's, it's like one

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of those, I don't know, man.
Maybe it was a pet.

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That's what I was thinking was
maybe it was a pet and somebody

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let it go.
A pet bull shark, hey.

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Man, I'm trying, trying to
connect the dots here.

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How how it made it all the way
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I mean, there's a, there's a lot
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that, you know, I, I just, I
don't know, especially being in

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winter, I don't, I, I just don't
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But I mean, the truth is, is
that they found it so.

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I could see it, honestly, I I
could see a bull shark swimming

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that far, even through locks and
dams 'cause I mean, I mean,

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it's, it's yeah, it's kind of
improbable, but not impossible.

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I wouldn't think it's happening
all the time, but I bet you it

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probably happens more than you
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Well enough to have a breeding
population, apparently.

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Yeah, I don't know how big the
breeding population is.

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I wonder how lucky they got to
find those.

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You said there was shark babies,
which means there's going to be

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more shark babies.
We also got to think, man, we're

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talking about a shark, right?
We're talking about bull sharks.

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Sharks have been around forever
right there, been doing the

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thing that sharks do since way
before we're doing what we're

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doing.
So it's like there's shit that

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we still don't understand,
right?

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How are they, you know, how are
they, what's the word like

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navigating, you know, people,
there's a lot of like science,

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but there's still a lot of
speculation like are they using

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magnetics?
Is it like what?

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What exactly is causing like
whales and sharks and birds and

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all these things to do certain
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So it's like, we don't, who the
fuck knows, man?

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We're like, oh, this shark can't
make it up.

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These shark, that shark can be
like, fuck you, I'm doing

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whatever I want.
I'll just walk across this

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cornfield. 600 million years in
my exact form.

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I know what I'm doing.
Anyways, so that that was a a

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pretty unique episode because
that was the first one that we

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covered since Jake and I moved
to Wisconsin and.

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Now that's that's the thing
right there.

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Where's the camera?
Right here.

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That's the thing, bro.
So I'm coming up there.

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Yeah.
We should go to this lake.

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You're.
Only up here for three days.

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You're here 4 UFO days, that's
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No, no, no, listen, we go to UFO
days.

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How far is that from where
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UFO days, it's like 30 minutes.
Not oh, perfect.

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Boom.
We go do the UFO Day thing.

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Boom.
And then we're done.

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We go to the lake.
Yeah, all right, why not?

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I'll just tell my wife I won't
be home.

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Just tell her, hey, look, I'm,
I'm flying up there.

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I'm flying across the country.
Sorry, wife.

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I live on the.
Road there.

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I'm one of them Rd. guys.
Roadhouse.

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Yeah.
So, Oh yeah, yes.

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Skeeter asked if he'll be in
Wisconsin.

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So yeah, that is that is the
thing.

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Jeff will be here.
The three faces that you see

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right now will be at UFO days,
except for CJS and CJ was

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supposed to be on tonight, but I
mean, I don't know what to say.

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Yeah, he kind of sucks
sometimes.

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That's fucking most CJ.
But look forward to some.

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Mud duck Land I.
Don't know?

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Ask him.
What's mud Duck Land?

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But look, look forward to some
more Wisconsin urban legends and

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cryptids and and the such.
We're gonna, let's see.

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I know we're doing Elmwood here
very soon.

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So for those of you that like
UFOs and all that good stuff,

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Elmwood's gonna be right up your
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Small town Wisconsin with a
really, really cool UFO history.

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There'll be A2 parter coming up
soon, sometime in July, just

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prior to UFO days.
So hang tight and I'll tell you,

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it's gonna it's it's it's a
really, really cool topic.

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I got to try to convince Jeff to
listen to it before he comes up

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here, so he knows what he's
talking about when people talk

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to him.
Yeah, Jeff.

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Or I could just let him go.
Or I could like, all right, go a

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little man, go.
What are we talking about?

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I got distracted.
And what UFO days, man?

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Never.
Mind.

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Oh yeah man, what are we talking
about over there?

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Dude, what is this?
I don't know.

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I don't know.
You're not.

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You're not planning this.
I told you.

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You're the planner.
Listen, you know, like I, I work

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best firing from the hip.
I will totally get on stage and

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do a Jeff Fernandez Ted talk
from the hip.

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We might have to go that route.
I'll do it, man.

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I work best in a flow state and
you can only achieve flow state

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if you have not prepared.
All right, you just have to go.

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I it's gonna be fun.
It's gonna be fun.

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All right, moving on.
Let's go ahead and jump into the

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next topic, the Dancing Plague
of 1518.

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Jake, what do you think that?
One was that one was wild.

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I also like the music you put
behind it did.

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You like that?
It's so cute and festive.

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But yeah, I was like, I, I don't
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I I didn't know really how to
take that report.

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I was just like, is this real?
I guess I I guess it was more

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believable being that you
brought in the whole moldy rye

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bread thing, which I've, I've
known for a while as far as like

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kind of was more likely the
cause of like the Salem witch

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trials.
People thinking that like, oh

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gosh, they're witches 'cause
they're mumbling nonsense, but

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they're probably just tripped
out of their balls and LSD.

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So I was like, so I was like,
all right, well, that makes

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sense, I guess.
Yeah, I mean, but like dancing

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until you're dead or your feet
break off and stuff.

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I was like, goodness gracious.
It's a real thing, that's.

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Crazy.
There's, there's a lot of

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historical documentation about
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I mean, most of it comes from
like the, the, the Holy Roman

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Empire, you know, from the, the,
the, the printing press and,

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and, and medical documents from
the time there were handwritten

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documents from the cases before.
But the reason why 1518 was such

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a popular year or the most
talked about year when it cut

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when it comes to these dancing
plagues, which is most likely

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caused by ergot that that fungus
or whatever it is that grows on

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wheat.
Sorry guys, like we said

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millions of times, once we
record the episode it's just a a

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dump of information so.
Please do the next thing.

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Except for Jeff, he retains
everything.

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Yeah, wow.
Jeff retains everything

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government conspiracy wise.
Yeah, yeah.

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I, I just think that it's
probably, I mean, the ergot

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thing is one thing, but I don't
know, man.

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It to me it seems more like it
was probably like an actual.

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We call it a plague if you want.
There's probably some

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neurological virus going around
that was affecting people's

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central nervous system, making
them twitch and spasm in in

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crazy ways.
And I bet you that the just the

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lore of that and that kind of
thing, especially in those

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times, right?
15 hundreds, right?

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Like people were, people
believed shit in 1500.

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You know what I mean?
Like hardcore, whatever.

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It was like a fucking bird
landed on your horse's head and

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it was like, Oh my God, like a
whole thing, right?

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That's an omen.
I better hide my children.

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Right.
You know what I mean.

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So it's like, you know, you see
a couple people and then it

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turns out to be a couple 100
people out there with some crazy

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neurological virus.
Nobody has any idea that this

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stuff even exists at this time.
You know the lore and everything

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they get rid of now.
They were dancing in the streets

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until their fucking feet were
bleeding.

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And it's like, were they or were
they just like out there

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freaking screaming and crying
and just like uncontrollable

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spasms Like it sounds, it sounds
terrible, actually.

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Well, the the thing that came to
my mind was what did this

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dancing look like?
I mean, they could have been.

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Thrashing.
Yeah, like literally laying on

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the ground and just rolling
around and, you know, fighting

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for their lives.
And people looking at it like,

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oh, they're dancing.
You know, that that's the thing

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that I'm most curious about is
what did it actually look like?

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I think if we if we saw this
dancing playing now, we'd

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probably look at it and, you
know, see something completely

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different than just dancing.
Exactly.

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And you know, like that's the
thing about neurological things,

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right?
Like it could, it could affect

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and trigger all kinds of stuff
when it comes to your like

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central nervous system and all
this stuff.

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You know, like you could, it
could literally cause you to, I

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don't know, run around like your
skin's on fire, right?

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So there's like stories, ancient
stories of people running around

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like they're on fire.
People say they're possessed or

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whatever the case might be.
They might have been suffering

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from some sort of neurological
disorder or virus that was

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causing their nervous system to
make them feel like all of their

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skin was burning.
You know, like there was these

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types of things that happened.
So who knows.

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But yeah, it is a crazy story.
From the chat, Skeeter says it

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was the coolest plague and that
he needs that to happen at some

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of the weddings that he does.
Then he said that we would think

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it'd be was meth heads.
Yeah, definitely.

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I mean, smoking meth back in the
1500s could.

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You could you imagine like, you
know, somebody from back in the

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day sees somebody on bath salts
and they're like holy boy

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possessed.
He's got that face eating

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disease.
I didn't even think about that.

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Right.
Like we don't know what kind of

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like, like drugs, right?
People have been used in ancient

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times.
Yeah, we know of some we know

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of, especially if like
shamanistic uses for certain

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psychedelics and things like
that.

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But we don't know what people
were finding in the woods and

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like concocting and that like
that was their recreational like

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meth of the time.
You know, yeah, yeah, that's

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true, especially.
If you're good for.

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Peasant.
Peasant person with no rules.

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Right.
Yeah, man makes a.

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Little no one saying that
there's no one.

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Saying that.
Until the siban was illegal,

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right?
Or anything like that.

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Just go for.
It stick them in your face.

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All right, kind of keep it
moving along here.

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Let's let's move on to the Falk
monster.

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So I'll I'll take this one
first.

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The Falk Monster was actually a
fan recommendation from a from a

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long time ago.
When we first started, I had

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somebody e-mail me and said that
they wanted to hear some some

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more Bigfoot stuff.
And I was like, if I, you know,

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same thing I said on some of the
older episodes that if I just

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talked about Bigfoot.
Would be more popular, and you

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don't know that.
Probably, but I I would just get

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trapped in the Bigfoot rabbit
hole and I would just do nothing

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but Bigfoot because I mean, most
of these books back here

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reference Bigfoot.
Most of them.

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The infinite Bigfoot rabbit
hole.

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Yeah, yeah.
The infinite Bigfoot hole.

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That's that rolls better.
I like.

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That Bigfoot's infinite hole.
So I I had replied to their

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e-mail and I said, well, if you
can choose one urban legend

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Bigfoot to to talk about or you
want us to talk about, what

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would it be?
And they're like, you have to do

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the Fock monster.
That's the one.

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And then of course, you know,
they, they listed off of a few

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others like Momo and the Honey
Island SWAT launcher, which is

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something that we briefly
covered in our very first

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episode, other than the let us
introduce ourselves episode.

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And I told them, yeah, I'll
cover it.

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And I, I bought the books or
actually my, my brother gifted

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me one of the books for like
Christmas or something one year

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and I just never did it.
I just got caught up in some of

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the other topics and just never
really got to it until a couple

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months ago so it.
Was a good episode.

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I think I think that freaking
the Falcon monster is absolutely

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awesome.
Awesome story.

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Awesome.
I think it's.

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Real.
I got to be honest, I, I don't

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think that one's stuck very
much.

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I think I listened to that one
while it's working so.

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Yeah, well, the I, I think, I
think the ones that really stick

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out, right.
And I know a lot of people like

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the story of the Falk Monster
and and the the story between

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behind Charles E Pierce's Beast
of Boggy Creek.

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I really like some of the some
of the first hand accounts from

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the second episode that I did.
The one that sticks out to me

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the most is the one that I got
off a monster quest on History

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Channel where they were up in
their tree stand and and

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something reached up and grabbed
their broad head out of their

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freaking bow.
How fucking crazy is that?

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That's incredible.
I'd poop my pants.

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I don't know bro, seems like
bullshit to me.

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But you know, what do I know as
the resident encrypted expert?

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I mean, if you're gonna
fabricate it, you might as well

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fabricate it.
Good, right.

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See, I mean.
Right out of a movie, it seems

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like the opening scene to like
the newest show credits.

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It does and I I don't.
I don't 100% know how well I

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did.
Gloved hand comes in, it's a

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picture and wraps the.
Broadhead right off the.

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Bow.
He didn't even just snap it, he

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unscrewed it.
Then he flung it at me.

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Yeah, yeah, just.
But I, I don't really remember

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how, how I presented it, but
basically with just was, they

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were up in their tree stand and
they, they saw shadows off in

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the, the top of the ravine.
And he thought it was cows.

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And then as they were coming
closer, he started realizing

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that they were up on 22 legs.
And he's focusing in on, on

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these things that were down on
the ground.

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And then all of a sudden this
hand just comes out of nowhere

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below him and grabs his broad
head and scares the living shit

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out of him.
I mean, I'd, I'd be fucking.

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You wouldn't have noticed the
thing climbing up the tree at

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him.
I don't know, man, I don't know.

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Yeah.
I mean, the whole tree's swaying

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and he's just like, must be the
wind.

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Most tree stands that I've ever
went up to I you would think

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that you would feel that coming
up or at least hear it creaking.

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I so I, I definitely understand
where you guys push back is on

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it, but I think it's an
incredible story.

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Well, I've always kind of had
like a a mixed feeling about

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most of the Bigfoot sightings,
right?

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I always kind of lean into like
maybe it's some sort of

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interdimensional or bleed
through of some kind, you know,

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so it's like they're not
physically interacting, but

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maybe they can ever so slightly
maybe maybe he wouldn't feel it

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coming up the tree.
Just enough energy was put into

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his grabbing that broad head and
that was all that actually like

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bled through enough for him to
feel it.

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Maybe it's arm worm holed into
existence right there.

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Yeah, or maybe he'd maybe it did
or maybe it it materialized.

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You know, there's like not to
get off track too much here, but

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like the the idea.
I don't think people really

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think about inner dimensions
enough, right?

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Like, I think about this a lot,
but it's like other things.

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Other entities are occupying the
same time space as us, not just

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space well.
We we don't know exactly about

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time space.
Time can be perceived

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differently on different
inventions.

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Right.
This is assuming certain

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theories are correct, obviously,
but this is just how I think

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about it, right?
Like there's, there's entities

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that are occupying the same
thing as us.

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We just can't interact with
them.

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But there has to be moments and
points and things that must

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happen in the universe that
cause interactions to take

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place.
So to me, that's what these

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cryptids are half the time.
That's what ghosts are half the

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time, you know?
I wouldn't say like cryptids,

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but because most of them are
probably all baloney.

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But I mean, I'm under the
assumption that the spiritual

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world, you know, angelic beings,
demonic beings, things like that

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are just on a different
dimensional plane, that they

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exist here, but the veil hasn't
been lifted.

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So we generally can't see them
under except under specific

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circumstances.
Agreed.

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Agree 100%.
I don't know enough about that

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to make a make a.
Well, you could read some books.

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I know that you know how to
read, unlike most people.

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Well, we might get into this a
little more whenever we get to

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the to the NDE stuff, you know,
but.

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Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, No, I think that

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that's kind of why I'm pushing
through all this.

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I just feel like the NDE stuff
is gonna kind of take off.

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That's just.
Super interesting stuff to me.

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Yeah, You know, we'll, we'll
talk about that a little bit

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more when we get there.
But I just wanted to show 'cause

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I had somebody actually message
me and ask me for a picture of,

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of the book Smokey and the
Falcon Monster that I got off

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eBay.
And here it is.

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If anybody is interested in
this.

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And these are those two, those
dark circles I was talking

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about.
Obviously it's like a Scotch

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glass or something, not a coffee
stain.

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It's too small.
But this was an absolutely

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incredible story.
And without this, I wouldn't

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have, I wouldn't have been able
to get all the information that

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I got from things such as like
the Jones film Monster or back

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for that before when it was
referred to as the Wildman.

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So this was an absolutely
incredible book with some

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really, really cool pictures and
everything.

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I don't know if you guys can see
that, but there's some really,

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really cool stuff in here from
back in, you know, the, the time

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of the Falk monster when it was
in the limelight of the, of of

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the world.
Really some really, really

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interesting stuff in there.
If anybody can find a copy of

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that, I, I saw a couple copies
on eBay.

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A lot of them have the white
stripe that I was talking about.

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This one's got the blue.
So this is that blue panel I was

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talking about where it's the,
the original and then the

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reprint has white panel.
The the bonus to it.

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I think the the white print has
a little bit of extra content.

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So not 100% sure on that.
So if anybody listening does

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know what the difference is
between the two of them, please

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let me know.
All right, you guys ready to

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move on?
Yeah.

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All right, sheep Squatch.
MMM, cheap squatch.

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So Sheep Squatch was supposed to
be paired with another critter?

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You want to tell us that story?
Yeah, Jeremy wanted me to do the

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Goatman phenomenon as well as
sheep squatch, but goat men have

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way more content than just then
the sheep squatch.

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So I couldn't really just pair
them seamlessly together in one

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episode because I mean the
phenomenon of having a man that

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has some sort of like, you know,
I forgot what the Bovidae type

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or Bovidae type appearances too,
of like hooves and all that sort

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of stuff.
I mean, that goes back to Greek

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mythology with Pan, right?
It's just like or early

450
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,720
Renaissance depictions of the
devil, you know, things like

451
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,920
that, like it's just all over
the place.

452
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,240
Then you got like the goat man
of West Virginia, the goat man

453
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,320
of the South, the goat man of
Pacheco Pass, California, the

454
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,040
goat man here, the goat man
there.

455
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,800
Shoot, you could, if you wanted
to kind of loosely base it, you

456
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:35,200
could say like Krampus is like a
goat man type thing, right?

457
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,240
I mean, because of the early
drawings from from German

458
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,200
mythology show, you know,
Krampus being like a pan type

459
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,160
figure.
So I was like, yeah, this

460
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:50,880
deserves its own topic versus
adding that into this small town

461
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,520
West Virginia encrypted story.
Yeah, and there's a lot of

462
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,640
different goat pen too.
There's like 4 if there's a

463
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,200
Wisconsin goat man, in case you
didn't know that.

464
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,960
Yeah, pretty interesting.
It's it's, there's not a lot of

465
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,560
content there.
So obviously.

466
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,200
Peter says Sheep squatch isn't
real.

467
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:14,040
Lost one cheap squatches. 100%
baloney.

468
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:15,960
No, I'm let's get around this
one.

469
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,720
I don't know man, I I've seen it
in fallout so.

470
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,000
I have as well.
I also saw Mothman in Fallout,

471
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,000
freaked me out.
So how can you say it's not real

472
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,160
man?
Well, you seem to.

473
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,840
Like a nerd.
Exists in the other dimension it

474
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,760
it's in the hollow Earth.
I.

475
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,720
Like that?
Go ahead.

476
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,520
I, I, I like the, the urban
legend of sheep squatch and

477
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,120
that's, that's what I, I believe
it is.

478
00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:48,720
It's just an urban legend.
It is I, I, I think it's unique.

479
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,280
You know, you, you see a lot of
these different quote UN quote

480
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,680
cryptids where the, you know, I,
I think there's a fine line

481
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,760
between encrypted and an urban
legend, right?

482
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:04,040
I think personally, in my own
opinion is that encrypted has

483
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,760
biological chance of existing
right and then a mixture.

484
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,480
Of other things.
And then urban legend, right?

485
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:17,880
I think that you would have to
have many, many, many, many

486
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,320
accounts in order for it to make
that jump from an urban legend

487
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,720
to a Cryptid.
So like, let's say there was

488
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,200
hundreds of thousands of reports
of a sheep squatch.

489
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,520
Then then you can make the the
argument that yeah, maybe it

490
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,840
doesn't make biological sense,
but there are a a shit ton of

491
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,640
reports.
Versus a few over the course of

492
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:44,440
100 years.
Right, exactly so and but you

493
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:49,560
know Jeff, Jeff is making
comments such as possibly a a

494
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,160
interdimensional being or or a
being that got trapped in order

495
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,040
dimension for a a period of
time.

496
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,400
It's like man, bear, pig.
Just I was, I was gonna go down

497
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:07,120
that, that, that path, you know,
when you, when you think about

498
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:12,840
Bigfoot, right, the original
sassy squatch, there's

499
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,360
thousands, hundreds of thousands
of, of reports of these things

500
00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:21,320
around the world and that that's
where I I kind of loop that in

501
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,960
with, with a Cryptid.
But when you, when you're

502
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,680
talking about something that's
just talked about in passing, I,

503
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,040
I think you're looking at more
of like an urban legend.

504
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,560
I, I do find them very
interesting.

505
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,200
I love the stories.
I love the, the, the context

506
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,600
behind it.
But I think that this is one of

507
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:45,160
those things where it's just
it's too easy to do right.

508
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,960
We have the sheep squatch, We
have the bat squatch, which I'm

509
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,640
sure we'll cover at some point.
Oh yeah.

510
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,680
Which is actually an absolute
wild story by.

511
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,440
The way we got the tac to
squatch.

512
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,160
Ah yes, and the famous.
We got that shirt too.

513
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,520
I actually have some tac to
squatch right there.

514
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,200
Look.
Yeah, it's good stuff.

515
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,720
Is it?
I don't know, I haven't opened

516
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,360
it, but yeah, I mean, that's
pretty much it.

517
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:14,240
This was another one of our mini
doc episodes, so like Jake said,

518
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:19,000
there wasn't a ton of content
when it came to Sheep's Watch,

519
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,360
so there's not going to be a lot
to really talk about.

520
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,840
It Peter says that sheep's watch
could be an all the white haired

521
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,240
Bigfoot.
And it could be Silverback.

522
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,240
That's actually a very good
point to bring out because there

523
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:38,040
has been plenty of reports of
white Sasquatches and I I can

524
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:46,280
point to enough or more reports
of white sasquatches or albino

525
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:47,920
sasquatches, we don't really
know.

526
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,360
I think albino gorillas.
Why not?

527
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,440
Right, well, I there's more
reports that I know of than

528
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,760
reports a set of sheep squash in
general, right.

529
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,720
So, well, there's.
Seven of sheep squash, right?

530
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,240
And there's eight of white big.
Feet.

531
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,600
Well, there you go.
No, there's actually quite a

532
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,800
quite a few.
There's AI got a book back here

533
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,040
where there's an entire chapter
on nothing but the white

534
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,400
Sasquatch, and now that I think
about that, I should go and look

535
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:16,400
at.
Their direct name.

536
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:25,000
It does So you want some of this
white squatch, bro, some nose

537
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,320
candy.
Give me some of that squatch.

538
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,880
So that's.
Squatch bro.

539
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:35,400
All right, let's touch on the
the Tim Bunal interview real

540
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,280
quick.
Not much to say here.

541
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,800
Obviously we did a lot of the
conversating in the actual

542
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,560
episode, but man, what a what a
blast that guy was.

543
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,520
Yeah, it was definitely neat.
I really like his podcast, his

544
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,840
his interviewing style and
stuff.

545
00:30:53,840 --> 00:31:02,240
And he's, he seems to be very
open on his, on his show with

546
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,280
his interviews.
He's not like other interviewers

547
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,000
where they're willing to be
like, Nah, I don't believe in

548
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,760
any of that.
That's baloney, you know, but

549
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,240
he's just like, he really just
allows the person he's

550
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,320
interviewing to just have that
that space with no argumentation

551
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,160
or anything like that.
I did not listen to that

552
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,440
episode, I'm not going to lie.
Well, that's because you suck.

553
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,720
You know what though?
I think I think you would have

554
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,920
really dug being on that
episode, man, I I do.

555
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:36,520
The guy was super cool.
I've known a Tim Banal for quite

556
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,160
a while.
I'm a big coast to coast fan

557
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,200
and.
He's sucking all over him.

558
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,200
He's like, oh, it's you're my
hero.

559
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:51,000
It was awesome.
I don't remember that, but any

560
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,400
any article that you see them
post on Facebook or any of the

561
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:59,880
socials.
That he was.

562
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:02,480
Thanks, Gator.
Appreciate you.

563
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,280
Yeah, for any of those listening
right now, you guys should pay

564
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:13,080
attention to the OR watch the
socials because whenever we do

565
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,200
an interview podcast, we'll
we'll post when we're going to

566
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,000
go live.
I'm going to try to get you guys

567
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,800
some more notice next time.
I, I'm going to be honest with

568
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,360
you.
I meant to post that we were

569
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,800
doing this like four days ago
and I just forgot.

570
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,960
So yeah, sorry about last second
there Skeeter.

571
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,560
Still appreciate you showing up
and anybody else that wants to

572
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,040
jump on just just watch the
socials.

573
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,840
This would be a lot of fun.
Yeah.

574
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,200
So I I was just sitting on my
couch in in my sunroom the other

575
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,720
the other night and I was just I
think I was watching solar

576
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,240
opposites.
Fucking love that show.

577
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,840
If if you're not watching that
anybody listening, you need to

578
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,520
be because it's absolutely
hilarious.

579
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,520
And I, I got a friend, I got a
friend request on Facebook.

580
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,800
It was Tim Benal.
I was like, what the fuck, This

581
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,560
isn't the real Tim Benal.
So I, I, I like looked at him

582
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,240
and I was like, holy shit, I
think this is Tim Benal.

583
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,840
And I was like literally the
first thing I said to him.

584
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,000
I said, I'm just going to come
out with it.

585
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,840
Do you want to come on the show
and, and talk to us?

586
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,320
He's like, absolutely.
Man.

587
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,080
I was like, fuck, that's
awesome.

588
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:26,040
Like, that's so cool.
But yeah.

589
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,640
So that that's pretty much it
for the Tim Banal.

590
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,160
No, he was he, he was a good
person to interview.

591
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,560
It was pretty cool getting to
hear how he started working with

592
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:42,160
Coast to Coast AM and how that
whole his job lines up with

593
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,560
them.
Sounds like a tremendous amount

594
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,560
of work for sure.
He posts like four or five

595
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,440
articles a day for them.
I know.

596
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,800
And his insight and stuff.
I mean, someone who's that well

597
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,080
read, you'd imagine has some
pretty good insight on a lot of

598
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,560
the things.
So Jeff, we were like asking

599
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,360
about aliens and stuff.
He was bagging all over the the

600
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,360
mall and in Miami and then the
Mexican aliens.

601
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,880
He's like, obviously fake.
Bro whatever happened with the

602
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,880
mall aliens dude?
Well, Stranger Things hasn't

603
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,400
come out yet, so we don't know.
Stranger Things hasn't come out

604
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,159
yet, dude.
I called.

605
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,679
Out she talked about your theory
with with Tim and he was just

606
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,679
like, wow, that's a good point
or something along the lines of.

607
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:21,400
That would be like a promo or
something.

608
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:25,320
Yeah, yeah.
We'll see, only time will tell.

609
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,080
I think it comes out around
Halloween time then.

610
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,280
Isn't that like an annual thing?
We'll see, brother.

611
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,520
I don't know.
All right.

612
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:39,040
Moving on to the well, the last
subject before we talk about an

613
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,000
interview that you guys haven't
heard yet.

614
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,800
You will by the time that this
episode comes out, but not by

615
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,159
the recording.
So spoiler alert for for

616
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:51,080
Skeeter, we're going to talk
about some stuff that you guys

617
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,440
haven't heard yet.
But before that, no, let's talk

618
00:34:54,440 --> 00:35:00,960
about near death experiences.
So who you know what, I'll,

619
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,240
I'll, I'll go, you'll go.
I'll reiterate this from the

620
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:07,720
episode.
And by the time or at the time

621
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:11,840
that we're recording this, the
first NDE episode came out.

622
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,920
In fact, tomorrow, at the time
that we're recording this NDE

623
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,480
Part 2 will be coming out.
And it is.

624
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,680
There's some really cool stuff
in there.

625
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:29,680
The topic of Ndes is incredible.
Mm hmm I've never researched a

626
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:37,520
topic before where it literally
changed my my point of view on

627
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,240
the world.
It's incredible, like.

628
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:43,520
To the point, Jeff, he's so
different, it's weird.

629
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,640
I'm so different.
Like I'm, I'm humble now.

630
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,600
I I drink.
I drink more now.

631
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:55,880
Yeah, change him for the better.
He's developed alcoholism.

632
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:03,880
But no on on a serious note,
like the the simple fact that

633
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:13,880
there are so many details that
are shared with not just a a

634
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,640
small group of people men.
I'm talking about human history.

635
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:24,240
The details of Ndes is
incredible, how this stuff goes

636
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:29,240
back to like hieroglyphs and not
even like the Egyptian

637
00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:34,720
hieroglyphs, like the the, the
Mexican ones from like, you

638
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:37,240
know, the ancient Aztecs and
shit.

639
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:42,520
Like there's a lot of really
cool shit when it comes to Ndes

640
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:49,640
and how similar it is for for
people, no matter who they are,

641
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,320
what culture they are, what time
they're from.

642
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:59,560
Absolutely mind blowing.
So there will be, there is only

643
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,320
part one and Part 2 right now,
but I can almost guarantee you

644
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,640
that there's going to be a part
three and possibly a part 4 at

645
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,720
some point.
And we'll kind of touch on that

646
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:14,560
little bit later when we go into
when we talk about our interview

647
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,680
that we had that will be coming
out a a week and a day from

648
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,080
today.
But we'll we'll get to that in a

649
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,800
second.
What do you guys think of ND ES?

650
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,080
Go, Jeff.
I mean, I got a lot of thoughts

651
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,720
about Indies, man, to be honest
with you.

652
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:35,200
I think it's well, yeah, man.
I mean, you know, it's I'm

653
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,040
trying to think there was
something that, well, I guess

654
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,280
I'll hold this thought for the
next part when we talk about the

655
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,720
the interview or whatever, but.
Did you listen to the interview?

656
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:52,800
Yeah, yeah.
So, but you know, there's a lot

657
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,400
that I'm kind of like,
especially with like the

658
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,800
holographic universe, which is
something that I'm still trying

659
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:02,360
to like fully put together to
put out, you know, being, you

660
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,920
know, like the whole energetic
being thing, right?

661
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,440
And tapping into frequencies and
energies and all this type of

662
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,520
stuff.
It's like when you have these

663
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,640
Ndes and you're having like
these somewhat out of body

664
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:20,480
experiences, but you're also
experiencing points of attention

665
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,200
from other people right?
In moments like this whole the

666
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,800
whole thing is just so crazy to
me bro.

667
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,520
Like there's no way that this is
just like your brain firing off

668
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,680
when you're dying.
Like this is definitely like a

669
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:38,720
portal or you are experiencing a
transition from one level of

670
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:41,880
cautious to another.
It's the wormhole, the tunnel,

671
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,320
the wormhole between dimensions.
Something, yeah, like the it's

672
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:50,000
so it's so wild to me, but yeah.
11 detail that I wish I had

673
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,680
spent more time on and it would
have been in one of these first

674
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,240
two episodes on ND ES was the
fact of a barrier, and I know I

675
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:02,360
touched on it slightly, but the
concept of the barrier and you

676
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,440
see these in a lot of accounts.
A lot of I mean there's books on

677
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,680
books on books.
I mean, you can go on YouTube

678
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:13,440
and listen and watch people's
NDE encounters that they talk

679
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,160
about.
I mean, there's entire shows,

680
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,280
entire podcasts that are
dedicated to just people telling

681
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,800
you about their Ndes.
And the, the, the concept of

682
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:28,040
this barrier of this, where
you're, you know, whatever this

683
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:32,560
next realm is, you're there and
somebody or something tells you,

684
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:38,840
hey, don't go over there, Don't
cross that gate, don't go into

685
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,520
that tunnel.
Don't, don't pass me.

686
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,560
Don't go past that line.
If you do, you're done.

687
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,120
That's it.
You will not go back.

688
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:55,720
And the decision that's being
made on consciously by the the

689
00:39:55,720 --> 00:40:01,080
experiencer to go back to their
body and that question of what

690
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,400
is past that barrier.
Is there and it's incredible.

691
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,600
And you get the, the, the
phenomenon of, of people

692
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:13,760
reporting that they're the
person who's guiding them

693
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,840
through all this is telling
them, hey, you're not supposed

694
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,800
to be here.
You need to go back.

695
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,560
And they're like, if you, if you
go past this, you're done.

696
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,120
You can't you need to go back.
You're not done.

697
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,680
Whatever you need to do on Earth
still needs to happen.

698
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,040
See to me, I this, this is like
a soul trap thing.

699
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,040
I talked about this like
literally on episode one of

700
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:45,360
shadow Band podcast, right?
Like this idea that there is

701
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,640
some higher level of entities
that are trying to keep us in

702
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,840
this, this lower dimension, if
you will, right?

703
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,280
This three-dimensional 4
dimensional reality that we live

704
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,240
in as like an energy source,
right?

705
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:02,520
Like these?
What does Alex Jones call them?

706
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,360
The interdimensional psychic
vampires.

707
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,080
They are literally feeding on
our energy.

708
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,560
I was just listening to that,
his rant about that, it's crazy.

709
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,760
And it's like this, it makes me
think about that, right?

710
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,200
This whole like go to the light
or don't go to the light, right?

711
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:22,440
This whole what you're talking
about or reincarnating or coming

712
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,880
back or just these near death
experiences.

713
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,600
To me it's like it makes me
think about this soul trap

714
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,880
thing.
Where are we supposed to go past

715
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,080
the barrier?
Like is that the actual ultimate

716
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,600
goal, the universal goal for us
to go past that fucking barrier?

717
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,320
Or are we supposed to just keep
reincarnating here in this

718
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,240
place?
Well, see, that's one of the

719
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:48,800
topics that I want to touch on a
lot more in an, in another

720
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,840
episode is the concept of
reincarnation, because it's a

721
00:41:52,840 --> 00:42:00,200
very, very popular topic in NDS.
And it's, it's almost to the

722
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,000
point to where, you know, how I
pointed out those elements, the

723
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,320
12 elements that Doctor Jeffrey
Long pointed out in this book.

724
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,600
It was, I mean, it almost came
up.

725
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,440
So as many times as those
elements did.

726
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,240
Like it could potentially have
been the 13th.

727
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,760
I just, I don't know.
Because there there's people

728
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:25,040
that report saying that, that
when they get to the next stage,

729
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,320
they instantly remember all
their past lives and they know

730
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:34,240
that all their options that are
in front of them, how time isn't

731
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:37,800
a linear thing there, it is just
something that just happens.

732
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,840
Same thing with knowledge, same
thing with communication.

733
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,200
It's just there.
You don't communicate verbally,

734
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,920
you don't even communicate
psychically.

735
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,240
It's just knowledge is there and
you have it.

736
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,200
Yeah, it's like outside the
projector, man, If you look at

737
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,360
it like a simulation, right,
It's like outside the projector

738
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,800
is a whole different being,
right?

739
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,800
We're we're able to tell a path
like like you said, we just know

740
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,760
each other's thoughts and things
are just different, right,

741
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,240
You're being.
Communication is more effective,

742
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:09,280
but.
The NDE experience is crazy

743
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,320
because it's like you have
these, these accounts, like

744
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:17,600
you're saying about experiencing
events from other people's

745
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,520
points of view as well, right?
Like you, you understand.

746
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,560
And it's not like you're
watching this happen or

747
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:23,880
anything.
It's just this like

748
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,480
understanding of like the this
butterfly effect from another

749
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,200
perspective as well, not just
your own timeline, right?

750
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,760
So it's like this fractal thing.
I don't want to get too deep

751
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,400
into it because it's going to
give away some of my my episode.

752
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,240
But like, that's how kind of how
holograms work, right?

753
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:44,040
Like the part encodes the whole,
right?

754
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:48,280
You can take any little piece of
a hologram, any little snippet

755
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,040
of of light from a hologram and
you could blow that up with

756
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,480
another projection and it'll
encode the entire hologram of

757
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,480
the original, right?
Like every piece of light holds

758
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,960
all of the information for the
whole whole hologram, right?

759
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,400
So it's like, that's kind of how
I'm viewing this, like

760
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,840
consciousness and the
perceptions of each individual.

761
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,520
So you have, as you're having
this near death experience, each

762
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,000
individual consciousness is
experiencing this at the same

763
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,760
time from different
perspectives, right?

764
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,720
So you're, I don't know, it's,
it's pretty deep, man.

765
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:23,400
But I'm going to get into that
into this next episode.

766
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:24,520
You guys are going to be like
what?

767
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:29,480
Jess, I, I want to reach out to,
I was listening to that Sean

768
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,080
Ryan show, right?
And I was watching his interview

769
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:37,200
with John Burke, who's an author
for Imagine Heaven and, and

770
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,320
Imagine the God of Heaven from
doing he, he wrote these books

771
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:45,320
because he's been studying Ndes
for 35 years now.

772
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:50,400
He's researched around 1500
people, all various levels of

773
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:55,960
dead, like total brain and heart
inactivity, right from a few

774
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,960
minutes up to like an hour and a
half.

775
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:05,280
And he was a, an agnostic going
into this search.

776
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:10,880
And within a year, he, he
started looking into, well,

777
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,320
where are these, you know, these
reports of the afterlife or

778
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,360
whatever, you know, where is
this coming from?

779
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,600
And he was finding the parallels
in the Bible.

780
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,680
And so he ended up doing,
getting really big into

781
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,400
apologetics.
And that's what eventually

782
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,040
turned him over to Christ,
right?

783
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,520
But then he became a pastor
because he had so many questions

784
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,240
and all sorts of stuff.
And he's like, I want to help

785
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:34,320
people that also have the same
questions that I had because it

786
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,840
was so difficult to show up at a
men's group Bible study and just

787
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,640
being like, you know, we'll
prove it, you know, type stuff,

788
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,640
you know, to these people.
And he, we finally found people

789
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:44,960
that were willing to answer
these questions.

790
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,880
And through his own research,
now he's a pastor.

791
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,120
And so he can help other people
with those same questions and

792
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,360
stuff, especially ones that are
getting into things like Jeremy

793
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:54,800
with Ndes.
Well, where does this all come

794
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:55,680
from?
Where does it all go?

795
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,080
What's the point of all this,
right?

796
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,560
It's not just obviously there's
a goal, you know, is there a, a

797
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,440
path that leads to that goal?
Or is it a wide open path?

798
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,440
Is it a narrow path, right?
All these sorts of things.

799
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:10,280
But I I just got his books, so
I'm going to go through them and

800
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,760
then I'm going to invite him on
the show.

801
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,480
And I'd like you to be there
too.

802
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,880
Actually, Jeremy too.
I mean, we could all interview

803
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:21,360
them together, but from his
ability to answer questions from

804
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,480
Sean, I imagine he'd be pretty
well equipped to answer

805
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,360
questions from y'all too.
Or, you know, kind of have those

806
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,160
discussions as far as like,
because I mean, he even got into

807
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,560
that sort of stuff, those
interdimensional type things.

808
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,960
It's just like, yeah, I mean,
what?

809
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:44,160
How else could we describe
another, another type of being

810
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:49,640
inhabiting the same space as us?
It's able to affect things here

811
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,120
or beings that are able to
affect things here, say angelic

812
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:57,800
demonic beings or God or
whatever, but we can't see them.

813
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,360
It's like, well, that's where
you get into other dimensions.

814
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,960
And he got into like, you know,
it's theorizers are like 11

815
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,640
different dimensions and all
that sort of stuff.

816
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:05,880
And he, he was transparent with
it.

817
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,520
He said, you know, I'm not, I
didn't go to school for

818
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,680
dimensions.
I have been studying dimensions

819
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,320
for 35 years.
I've been studying Ndes.

820
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,640
But I can, I've looked into it
and I can see the parallels

821
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,360
between the two and like how it
all kind of might line up,

822
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:19,920
right.
And so it was really

823
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,280
interesting.
So yeah, I want to get him on

824
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,520
the show for sure.
Yeah, there's definitely a a

825
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,840
spirit, a spirit world, right?
Like, I think I think the

826
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:32,560
easiest way to like boil all of
it down is like in some form of

827
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,240
spirit world.
I mean, I think that's why the

828
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:37,160
ancient people boiled it down to
that, right?

829
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,440
And it's always been.
That is because whether you're

830
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,440
looking at it from, you know, a
holographic universe or a, you

831
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,840
know, some weird whatever you're
looking at it from, it all boils

832
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,960
down to the fact that like there
is some layer that we just can't

833
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,960
really perceive most of the
time, you know what I mean?

834
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,120
And then depending on situations
or whatever the case might be,

835
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,720
like you get glimpses into this
layer, the spirit world, right?

836
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,920
Like I've been there.
It was induced by certain

837
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:12,120
things, but you know, like
people go to these places and

838
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:16,160
you have these experiences, you
know for sure.

839
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:21,640
So like, I'll tell you a quick
story actually.

840
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,800
Tell me.
Dimethyltryptamine right so.

841
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,480
DMT, yeah.
Yeah, DMT doing that literally

842
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,440
went through a wormhole.
And when I came out the other

843
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,760
side of this wormhole, and
during this wormhole, by the

844
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,320
way, was absolute fear, I was
certain that I died.

845
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,920
And then after this wormhole, I
broke through the other side and

846
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,680
was in what I can only describe
as like zero gravity, the void,

847
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,600
right?
I would say deep space, but I

848
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,440
don't remember seeing any stars
or anything, right?

849
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,800
It was just the void kind of
just floating in zero gravity.

850
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,120
There was a feminine energy that
seemed like it was a giant, like

851
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,000
the size of a planet or
something, kind of just holding

852
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,200
its hands like this, cupping my
head as I'm floating in the zero

853
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:05,920
gravity.
And it's comforting me in this

854
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,200
in this state.
And I existed there for

855
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,560
literally, and I'm not kidding,
all of time, from before time

856
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,200
existed till after time existed,
I was in this state.

857
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,000
OK.
I watched all of everything

858
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,520
happened, the the expanse and
collapse of the universe.

859
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,400
And then I came to and the
person I was with told me it had

860
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,360
been 12 minutes.
Yeah.

861
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,560
It changed my life.
So it's like, you know, to me,

862
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,960
that's similar to one of these
experiences in some ways.

863
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,160
You know, it's like breaking
through to this other world

864
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,440
where you, you do experience not
just your life, but every other

865
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,200
thing that's happening all at
once.

866
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:42,760
You know what I mean?
It's it's crazy.

867
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,720
It's hard to explain.
It's, it's funny you say that

868
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,680
because that's another topic
that I really wanted to jump

869
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:54,280
into when it comes to part three
or part 4 is the similarities

870
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:59,320
between a near death experience
and ADMT trip.

871
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,040
That void that you're talking
about is something that's very

872
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,200
commonly described.
Like I said in my one of my

873
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:08,720
episodes, I can't remember which
one it was.

874
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,080
It's pretty much split right
down the middle.

875
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:21,280
People talking about whether or
not they're in a void of

876
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,960
nothingness, whether it be deep
space and surrounded by stars or

877
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,120
it's literally just black, and
then the other half are saying

878
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:34,640
that they're in some sort of
earthly human area like a a

879
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,480
beautiful.
Building what always.

880
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,120
Sounds like heaven and hell to
me.

881
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,320
Mine would be mostly a void but
with some sort of aura.

882
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:46,480
Maybe a blue or purplish aura
maybe like inside a nebula where

883
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,720
you can't see the stars though.
Yeah, it's that's all stuff

884
00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:55,400
that's that's detailed in a lot
of people's and ease man, I I

885
00:50:55,400 --> 00:51:00,520
wouldn't be surprised just
because DMT is released by by

886
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,480
the brain.
You know, it's called the the

887
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,080
the the death hormone or
something along those lines.

888
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,560
Right.
Goodness, huh.

889
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:09,760
Metal it is.
I.

890
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,280
Said that's pretty metal, yeah.
But it's it's literally the same

891
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,880
thing that you that that's
released by your body or by by

892
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,160
your by your brain or I don't, I
don't know exactly where it

893
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,800
comes from.
So they say at at at the point

894
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,000
of death, depending on you know,
how they say that

895
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,880
dimethyltryptamine is, you know,
something that your brain starts

896
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,880
to produce and activate in those
final.

897
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,560
But you know, I don't know.
I mean, like I said, that

898
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,560
wormhole, I was certain.
I mean, I wasn't me.

899
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,800
There was no concept of me
outside of the fact that I

900
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,440
again, witnessed all the time
and in that was was me, right?

901
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,280
I was in there somewhere but
like.

902
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,960
Literally what an ND is then.
Yeah, that's crazy.

903
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,560
It's it's incredible the the
similarities between ADMT trip

904
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:04,760
and an ND not all ND not all
it's.

905
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:09,400
Cool too, because hell is
described in the Bible sometimes

906
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:15,160
as outer darkness and a
bottomless pit, so floating in a

907
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:19,120
void with no color is
interesting.

908
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:22,160
But again, it was comforting.
There was like again, I don't

909
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,480
know why it seemed like a
feminine energy was comforting

910
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:26,920
me.
I don't mean like in

911
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,280
relationship to DMT, but in
relationship to like Ndes and

912
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,040
stuff.
Some people describe that sort

913
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:37,080
of a a thing and it's like,
well, you know, there by

914
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:41,520
yourself for all of forever.
I mean, it's a terrifying

915
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,960
experience.
If I I could see how it could

916
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,720
be.
I guess for me it wasn't, but I

917
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:48,400
could see how for some people it
might be, you know?

918
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:54,400
Yeah.
Well, so I wasn't meant to do

919
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,720
NDES quite yet.
I wanted to put this out in a

920
00:52:57,720 --> 00:53:03,600
three or four part series, but I
had two gentlemen who are part

921
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,840
of the infinite rabbit hole that
didn't hold their weight and

922
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,480
couldn't come up with their
episodes, so I had to put

923
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:10,720
something out.
One of them.

924
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,280
One of them is right there,
Jeffrey Fernandez, the guy right

925
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,160
there.
The other one, B and CJ.

926
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,960
Yeah.
So you guys got unfinished work

927
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,960
because of these guys.
Look at him.

928
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:26,360
Look at him.
Look at him, man.

929
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,080
Look at his.
Face, I'm not guilty, all right,

930
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,720
if you want a premium product.
All right.

931
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,240
You want this, you want this
premium product, all right, No,

932
00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:36,840
but honestly.
It's gonna be like a 15 minute

933
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,600
episode.
Honestly, life has just been,

934
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,440
I've been so busy lately, man.
It's been so hard for me to sit

935
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,600
down and like put together
something on all the universe,

936
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,640
which is the one I really want
to do.

937
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,640
And like, I know all the
information, it's just putting

938
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,080
it together again, 'cause like I
said at the beginning of this,

939
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,440
I'm a fire from the hip kind of
guy.

940
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,880
More you were gonna.
You were gonna do something

941
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:56,680
different.
What was it?

942
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:03,000
What was I gonna do before?
Fuck, I can't even remember

943
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,280
Dune.
I.

944
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,880
Figured it it was so hard for me
to put together sheep's watch.

945
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,880
I just lost all my motivation
'cause I haven't done this in

946
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:14,320
like 5 months so it's like I was
like it was such an easy.

947
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,800
Topic Was I gonna do weather
modification Part 2 or

948
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,360
something?
We already did weather

949
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,880
modification Part 2.
I don't know, there was

950
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,680
something else, but this is the
one man, 'cause this to me, like

951
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,400
there's so much in here.
It there's just so much stuff.

952
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,240
And I talk about it every single
episode we talk about something

953
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:31,960
and I, it always comes back to
me.

954
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,080
Somehow.
I'm like R.E.M., somehow this

955
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,720
R.E.M.
Cloning, yeah, everything always

956
00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:40,920
somehow comes back to you can
connect it to this holographic

957
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,960
universe slash.
I hate to use the word

958
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,200
simulation, but that's like the
easiest way for people's brains

959
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,640
to wrap around holographic
universe is some kind of

960
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,480
simulation but.
All you non tinfoil hat brains,

961
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,000
yeah.
I'm gonna try to try to break it

962
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,120
down.
And then CJ was supposed to do

963
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:05,440
the Shakespeare Conspiracy about
whether Shakespeare ever

964
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:09,560
existed.
I don't know much about it but.

965
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,360
Skeeter says that I since I
cover the Kappa I should do the

966
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,280
hayasuba.
We have to look that.

967
00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:18,800
Up.
Yeah, I add that to my notes.

968
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,360
I've been taking notes on
everything he's been saying.

969
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,880
He gave us a, he said another
one earlier.

970
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:28,960
It was the Glimmer Glimmerman.
Glimmerman.

971
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,200
Let's look into that.
He's got a a local Bigfoot they

972
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,440
said we should look into too.
Skeeter.

973
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:40,360
What's the name of that, that
local Bigfoot, man While while

974
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,600
Skeeter types it up, I'm sure
he's he'll get to it.

975
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:48,800
Let's move on to the Blue Hills.
Blue Hills Bigfoot.

976
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:54,080
Let's look into that.
Let's get into the interview

977
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,720
that we had with Mr. Jason
Hewlett, old boss man.

978
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,480
Jeff, you said you had something
to talk about, man.

979
00:56:01,720 --> 00:56:03,440
Well, yeah, basically, I mean,
we're already kind of just

980
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:04,560
talking about it.
Honestly.

981
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:10,080
We broke into it, but I forget
what exactly he said that made

982
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:15,200
me think about it.
Connecting to all of that, you

983
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:20,920
know, multi points of attention,
I guess, looking at shit from

984
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,760
different people's points of
views through the timelines with

985
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,720
the NDES and all that.
That's kind of where I was going

986
00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:34,680
with that, but I didn't wait.
Well, well, like I said, we had

987
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,240
Jason Hewlett on the old Boss
Man Paranormal Network.

988
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,920
Great guy.
We talked about his two books,

989
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,400
the first one being Dying Light,
which is the first book I read

990
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,640
when it came to my research on
NDES.

991
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,520
And his new book, which is gonna
be coming out soon at Monster

992
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:59,120
Fest accompanied with a
documentary both highlighting

993
00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:04,280
the the water crypted known as
Ogopogo, which Jake and I

994
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,840
actually covered with a good
friend of ours, Phil from

995
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,080
unexplained ink way, way back in
the day.

996
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,120
I'm I'm like episode.
Way back in the day, it was. 18

997
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:15,960
or 19 or something.
It was a Friday.

998
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,400
It was I actually, I don't know,
that was it.

999
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:20,880
Yeah, no, I I don't know that
either.

1000
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,920
But yeah, that's that's pretty
much it.

1001
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,440
I mean, the the Jason Hewlett
interview was great.

1002
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,280
He's always an absolute blast.
Pleasure to have on.

1003
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,600
We'll be working with him again
in the future after the Okapogo

1004
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,440
stuff comes out and we get the
chance to get our hands on it.

1005
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,160
We'll be talking to him a little
bit more.

1006
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:48,200
That is extremely fresh in our
minds cause Jake and I literally

1007
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,800
just recorded that like the
other day with him.

1008
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,880
Yeah, and.
Record that what, three days

1009
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,480
ago?
When when you when the

1010
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,560
travellers listen to this
episode, it'll literally be the

1011
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,520
previous episode that comes out
before this.

1012
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:07,440
So not much to talk about there.
It's all you know, like same

1013
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,000
thing with the Tim Banal
episode.

1014
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,200
All the conversation happened on
there.

1015
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:15,000
So there's really not much to
conversate about here, right.

1016
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,560
Anything you guys want to circle
back on?

1017
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:24,760
No, no.
Nope.

1018
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:30,520
Well, let's see, talk about the
the future of the infinite Rab

1019
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,520
Hole.
We have UFO Days coming up.

1020
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,840
We've alluded to that a couple
times in this episode.

1021
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,000
Yeah, I'll be up there in like 6
weeks, man.

1022
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:38,880
Yeah, dude, I can't wait.
Fucking exciting.

1023
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,240
I gotta, I gotta rub your head.
Be nice.

1024
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,480
I'm still nervous about flying,
I'm not gonna lie.

1025
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,560
I hate flying.
You know what's crazy?

1026
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,080
Crash.
Can I tell you a brief story

1027
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:50,320
that kind of freaked me out a
little bit.

1028
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,720
So, you know, a few weeks ago, a
few weeks ago, you know, I

1029
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,840
bought the plane tickets and all
that to come up there.

1030
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,800
I'm all like, oh, I told you
guys, I'm nervous and I'm like

1031
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,240
flying.
And then like literally the next

1032
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:04,480
day all that shit came out about
fucking dude from Boeing or

1033
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,120
whatever.
And then like, I guess he like

1034
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,120
dies or kills himself in prison
or whatever.

1035
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:09,120
I don't know.
Is he Epstein?

1036
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:10,240
I don't know.
Whatever happened?

1037
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,720
Yeah, something happened.
I'm over here.

1038
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:18,680
Like damn it dude, I just buy.
These fucking thing.

1039
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:23,000
So we're not 100% sure as to
exactly what we're doing.

1040
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:30,920
Let's let's you know, I don't
really don't know what I can put

1041
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,240
out 'cause I don't know if we're
gonna be able to hold on to all

1042
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,320
those promises.
I can't say that there's

1043
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,760
stickers and temporary tattoos
of the Infinite Rabbit Hole

1044
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,040
logo.
So bring your kids and get some

1045
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:47,200
temporary tattoos.
We're gonna have a canopy, a

1046
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:52,600
booth.
Jake, Jeff and myself will be

1047
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,880
there, as well as a couple of
helpers.

1048
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:00,560
We have the well, Caitlin's
gonna be there too.

1049
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,160
Oh cool.
Yeah, so.

1050
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,080
And of course, if there's
anybody else that wants a

1051
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:11,000
volunteer, Skeeter.
Skeeter.

1052
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:16,640
'S gonna be over there just
being our DJ, just just like

1053
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,280
interviewing people about their
their experience.

1054
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,520
I learned that there will be
another podcast there.

1055
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:28,080
Who who crap?
Shadow band podcast we're.

1056
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,200
Gonna have to slash their tires.
This is interesting.

1057
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,960
Funny.
They give us the Ted Talk

1058
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,280
microphone, I do the whole
spiel, boom, and then they're

1059
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,440
like, all right, Next up, the
same.

1060
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,520
Rinse and repeat.
I'm trying to look it up right

1061
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:53,360
now, but Jake and I the other
day did get to go do something

1062
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:57,640
pretty cool with Amy, the
president of UFO Days.

1063
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,840
We got to go to her house and,
and do a, you know, we sat by

1064
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:08,680
the campfire and the kids cooked
s'mores and ate treats and drank

1065
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,120
soda and we, we had ourselves a
couple beers and we watched the

1066
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:15,200
sky for, for some UFOs.
And I actually saw something

1067
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,240
fucking weird, man.
I saw something weird too, it's

1068
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,960
just not as weird as yours.
It's yeah, not the same I'm.

1069
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,320
Sure, the beers had nothing to
do with this.

1070
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,520
If you're going to do research,
you can't have the beers, man,

1071
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:26,800
'cause what happens to
something?

1072
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:28,680
Listen, here's the thing.
If something awesome really

1073
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:32,560
happened, like they landed right
in front of you and then they

1074
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,920
took off and you guys were like,
holy shit.

1075
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:36,640
People were like, were you guys
drinking beers?

1076
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:37,800
And you'd be like, Yep.
And they were like.

1077
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,240
I had a beer 'cause I had to
drive home.

1078
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,880
It was like 45 minutes.
See, that's what happens.

1079
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,240
The aliens are smart, right?
They just know they only show up

1080
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,440
and actually talk to people who
are drinking beers man.

1081
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:51,440
That's.
It just the beers.

1082
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:56,080
No, So I'm looking up at the
sky, right?

1083
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,520
And every once in a while,
'cause we're, we, we were

1084
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,520
talking a lot that night.
And every once in a while just

1085
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,800
kind of break off because we're
supposed to be there to look for

1086
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,120
UFOs, right?
Just just to kind of look up at

1087
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:07,840
the sky.
We were talking about politics,

1088
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,600
so yeah, it's cool.
Well, she, she's got a, she's

1089
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:12,560
got an absolute beautiful
property, right?

1090
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,720
Absolutely gorgeous, gorgeous
house, gorgeous everything.

1091
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,880
Gosh, the property at her house
was 80 acres.

1092
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,000
Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of
land out here in in old

1093
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,120
Wisconsin.
They have a dairy farm, so

1094
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,320
they've got like 200 acres
there.

1095
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:30,720
So they're.
She's like, yeah, 280 acres.

1096
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,720
I'm like, that's like zero,
gosh.

1097
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:37,800
I'm fucking running a quad Plex
right now.

1098
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:44,440
It's crazy dude.
So I'm looking up at the sky and

1099
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:49,920
if you just imagined the sky cut
into slices, right, starting

1100
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:54,680
from the zenith and just kind of
cutting down pie slices, like

1101
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:59,000
orange slices, if you will.
But you take those slices and

1102
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,280
you flip them upside down so
that the the point is at the

1103
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:06,440
bottom and it comes up to a
wider bit up top.

1104
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:11,480
And obviously I didn't not
looking all the way down to the

1105
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:15,120
actual tip where the the point
would be made, but it was

1106
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:22,400
literally a section in the sky
where it was just for like a a

1107
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:27,320
split second.
The sky was just a slightly

1108
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,680
lighter hue than the rest of the
sky.

1109
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:36,400
And it was a perfect line on the
left side, perfect line from

1110
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,840
literally as far up as I can see
to right where when it hit the

1111
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:45,000
tree line and then the the right
side, there was another perfect

1112
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:49,840
line, but most of it was behind
clouds and it just it just went

1113
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:54,840
doom and then doom.
It was just on off and I like

1114
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,000
when it happened, I was like,
did you guys fucking see that?

1115
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,760
And I was like, you're.
German dude, did the universe

1116
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,760
projection fucking glitch out on
you?

1117
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,600
First, I told him he was like
Chicken Little.

1118
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,280
The sky is falling.
The sky is.

1119
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,920
Do you guys see that three body
problem show?

1120
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:14,520
Oh, I love that.
I, I, I actually lent the book

1121
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:18,240
to Jake and Witten and they
didn't read it and I was

1122
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:19,880
supposed to come get that today.
Oops.

1123
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:24,240
Where the where like the stars
blink and every like dude, did

1124
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,320
you have like a weird moment
Where like so.

1125
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:30,240
It wasn't like that.
So, OK, just so you know, the

1126
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,720
fucking books are a lot better
than the show.

1127
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:36,400
The show's good, don't get me
wrong, but they fucked it up.

1128
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,720
They fucked it way up.
I mean if you want to hear some.

1129
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,280
Really.
Time to read bro.

1130
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:45,400
Bro I had time to read fiction
and all this shit back here.

1131
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,440
All of it.
I listen to audio books I don't

1132
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,600
have time to read.
You should listen to.

1133
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,080
The three times I need the whole
show in 12 seconds.

1134
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:54,720
Let's go.
Man, the three body problem is

1135
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,120
absolutely nuts and.
What is it about?

1136
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,240
You just keep saying that it
doesn't mean anything to me.

1137
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:00,960
Well, next time we have a beer,
we'll talk about it.

1138
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,040
I, I, I can't talk about it
right now because I'll talk

1139
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:06,280
forever.
I can't.

1140
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,520
Skeeter says they chased the UAP
last year.

1141
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:14,920
Did they?
Yeah, huh, I got to catch up on

1142
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:20,200
the the pronunciation or he said
it's pronounced scony.

1143
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:26,520
Sorry, I got to catch up on the
the messaging us Uop great show,

1144
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,160
great books.
It's absolutely great books.

1145
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:33,840
And they they he's right.
They definitely messed it up.

1146
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,200
I'm not going to get into that
because I can just we can do a

1147
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:39,040
whole nother.
On.

1148
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:45,280
Shows that the scony or scony
Sconny like Wisconsin got it

1149
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:49,280
Sconny right?
Give me a thumbs up Skeeter.

1150
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:57,760
Or like a yes or no.
Yes, he's like, yes, you idiot.

1151
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:04,760
You uncultured swine.
Yeah, I'm not gonna get into

1152
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,760
that right now, 'cause I, I, I
read the whole series and then I

1153
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,880
read the spin off book that some
other author wrote with.

1154
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:15,280
The.
With the grace of the person who

1155
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,360
actually wrote it, which was six
in U.

1156
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:22,640
It's a it's a Chinese book
translated to English or it's a

1157
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:26,400
series translated to English.
The series is called The

1158
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,160
Remembrance of Earth's Past.
First book IS3 Body Problems,

1159
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,040
second book is The Dark Forest,
which actually builds off of the

1160
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:41,240
Fermi Paradox, and the third
book is Death's End with the 4th

1161
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,280
spin off book is The Redemption
of Time.

1162
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:47,400
Very, very good books.
The Redemption of Time was OK,

1163
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,240
but the first three were fucking
mind blowing.

1164
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:52,680
Best series I've ever read in my
life.

1165
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,920
Absolutely great.
Yeah, absolutely awesome.

1166
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:01,400
I'm I'm waiting for somebody I
know to to read those books so I

1167
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,880
can nerd out with them.
Like it's just amazing, amazing

1168
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:11,760
stuff.
But anyways, let's see, what did

1169
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,160
we forget?
Did we forget anything?

1170
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:20,040
Oh no, Nope.
As of right now, I am trying to

1171
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,240
get an episode out every week
for you guys.

1172
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:27,160
That's what I'm trying to do
with documentaries not coming as

1173
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:33,760
fast as I would like them to
because people have lives,

1174
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,560
including myself.
I'm trying to fill it up with

1175
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,600
interviews.
So I'm trying to reach out, get

1176
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,280
you guys some good interviews to
listen to get some different

1177
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,320
flavors in there.
Maybe Jeff can help out because

1178
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,120
Jeff had knows a shit ton of
people.

1179
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,440
Who knows, maybe, maybe not.
Maybe they'll just ignore me

1180
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:50,240
right now.
I don't know.

1181
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:59,520
So the the goal is to try to
transition back to that weekly

1182
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:08,880
format to keep you guys going.
And we may also be trying to

1183
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,960
bring the old formatted infinite
rabbit hole back.

1184
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,120
We don't know yet.
We're it's in the it's in the

1185
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:18,439
talks, it's being discussed.
What?

1186
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,319
I I'm digging it, I miss the old
format.

1187
01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:23,960
This sucks dude.
It does.

1188
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,920
I don't like doing these.
I don't like doing these wrap up

1189
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,359
episodes.
It's it's tough because we're

1190
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:31,200
not.
These I don't like doing the

1191
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:32,000
doc.
Kind of miss.

1192
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,760
I just miss the old.
I just like talking to you guys

1193
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,720
more than talking to a recording
software.

1194
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:41,359
You know, we, we stopped because
we just, it's tough to get

1195
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:45,439
everybody on the same page every
single week to get together.

1196
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:46,439
It's tough shut.
Up.

1197
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:48,479
It's a cop out, Jeff.
We know.

1198
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:55,000
Yeah, it's always you anyways.
I don't do cryptids, you know, I

1199
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,080
only got that degree 'cause, you
know, I wanted the title I don't

1200
01:08:58,080 --> 01:08:58,640
do.
Cryptids.

1201
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,399
I'm an expert man.
It takes time out there

1202
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:05,160
experting.
Cryptid expert guy degree.

1203
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,279
So we are, we are trying to
plan.

1204
01:09:08,399 --> 01:09:10,520
Skeeter.
Skeeter knows.

1205
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:14,080
Oh, no, I, I, I get it.
I get a lot of people that reach

1206
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,600
out and they're like, yeah, you
know, the the documentary stuff

1207
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:20,160
is cool, but that's not what we
discovered when we discovered

1208
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,520
the infinite rabbit hole.
Because we're talking crap all

1209
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,279
the time.
Yeah, they like the shit talk.

1210
01:09:24,279 --> 01:09:27,160
They like the reason why we get
one and two star ratings,

1211
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,040
because people can't take a
fucking joke it.

1212
01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:35,920
Says yes all caps.
All caps are no cap.

1213
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:43,520
But yeah, I mean, we got we got
a couple ratings or reviews on

1214
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,600
people saying that these guys
are mean to each other.

1215
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:49,200
Like, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, they're just Romanians.

1216
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:53,319
Romanians fucking love us bro.
Now they.

1217
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:58,560
Fucking love us, Skeeter.
Leave us a voicemail, I'll put

1218
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:00,560
it on the in front of the next
episode.

1219
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:04,160
Yeah, do it.
Yeah, let's do that some more.

1220
01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:06,880
Anybody listening to to this, I
know Skeeter will do it.

1221
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:08,880
He's good for it, that.
'D be awesome.

1222
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:13,880
Head on over to shit, I think
you can.

1223
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,600
Stillhold.com leave a voicemail.
Can you do it there?

1224
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:21,280
Yeah, it has a little microphone
icon at the bottom right.

1225
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:23,280
Does it click it?
I think it's purple and you can

1226
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:27,240
leave us a voicemail.
Infiniterabbithole.com I know

1227
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:30,120
you can go to anchor dot FM
forward slash infinite rabbit

1228
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,040
hole and do it there.
Oh, there is a little microphone

1229
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:33,000
there.
It's red.

1230
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:34,800
Told you.
Oh, it's red.

1231
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:39,320
Hmm.
Leave us a voicemail.

1232
01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:42,480
You know, something like, hey,
you're listening.

1233
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:44,200
Infinite rabble, kind of like
what we used to do.

1234
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:49,040
Like, hey, this is Skeeter, you
know, do do whatever, you know,

1235
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:50,720
say this.
Do a shout out for your business

1236
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:52,000
or whatever, Yeah.
Absolutely.

1237
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:55,520
Free advertising on our show.
100%.

1238
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,480
How about we'll just send you a
script, We'll tell you exactly

1239
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:02,400
what he.
Says Infinite Rabbit Hole is the

1240
01:11:02,440 --> 01:11:04,360
best show ever.
Wow.

1241
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:08,760
Maybe we'll get another
voicemail from Cryptid.

1242
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:10,840
Yeah, right.
Maybe.

1243
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:12,760
Money.
Yeah, don't worry, we'll send

1244
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:17,600
the money after the script.
Rumor is the Fresno Nightcrawler

1245
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:21,960
didn't didn't like our show.
Yeah, Fresno Nightcrawler is

1246
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,960
very upset because I guess I
called him fake.

1247
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:29,880
Yeah, I think we're just kind of
rambling now.

1248
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,080
I think that's it.
I think that's it.

1249
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:33,720
Anybody having?
My bedtime?

1250
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:35,880
No, I'm just past my bedtime bro
no.

1251
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:41,800
Dude, it was it was definitely a
good a good quarter.

1252
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,400
I know in this next quarter I
I'm probably going to be

1253
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:49,480
branching into Dragons and the
evidence for Dragons.

1254
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,440
One thing I I heard recently,
Forrest Galante was on a Joe

1255
01:11:54,440 --> 01:11:59,080
Rogan podcast probably a few
months ago, but he they were

1256
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:01,960
talking about this.
It was it was a clip I saw.

1257
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,480
Maybe it was one of his older.
He's been on there for a couple

1258
01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:09,000
times, but one of his older
episodes, but Joe was like, so

1259
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,240
they're talking about Dragons
and he's like, well, where's the

1260
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:15,040
if Dragons existed?
Where's the fossilization or the

1261
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,280
fossilized record of them?
And he was like, well, they had

1262
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,920
bird bones.
The stuff doesn't usually last

1263
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,360
that process.
And I was like, wow, that would

1264
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:25,200
make a lot of sense.
So I was like sounds.

1265
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:27,920
Like something I could get into,
you know, 'cause I mean, it's

1266
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:31,720
true, all the really older
cultures around the world, they

1267
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:35,800
all had, you know, Dragons and
some varying degree.

1268
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:41,040
And what's to say that it wasn't
dinosaurs, you know, lasting a

1269
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,280
significantly long time or was
in fact Dragons?

1270
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:50,680
I mean, I know that there was AT
Rex Femur, I want to say that

1271
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:56,080
was discovered around the 2010
mark where while I was in

1272
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:59,440
transport, the helicopter like
dropped it and it broke open and

1273
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:01,760
they had fossilized red blood
cells.

1274
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,760
And that shouldn't exist for
something that's been dead for

1275
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:07,000
40 million years or something
crazy like that.

1276
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:12,360
So it's like, were they around a
lot closer to, you know,

1277
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:15,400
humanity and stuff, you know?
And so it's just something that

1278
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:16,800
I want to get into.
It's probably going to be a

1279
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:21,600
really big topic, so there might
be several parts to it, but even

1280
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:25,560
still, it's something that I'm
personally interested in and I

1281
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:28,120
do want to get into that.
So that's something to look

1282
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:30,560
forward to for this next quarter
for anyone that's listening.

1283
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:35,720
Jeffrey, would you like to tell
them what you're looking at?

1284
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,720
Yeah, I'm trying to drop this
hollow universe.

1285
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,520
It might actually be A2 parter
honestly, but that.

1286
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,160
'D be cool.
Long episode.

1287
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,600
Yeah, that'd.
Be cool, we have some.

1288
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:48,120
Dimensional.
I agree with skater.

1289
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,960
We have some openings in the
September time frame.

1290
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:55,640
I I got to figure out a way to
like put it down so it makes

1291
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:59,160
sense, you know, this is all
just stuff that I kind of just

1292
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:01,600
know over the years or just
researching this stuff, but.

1293
01:14:02,440 --> 01:14:04,560
You're just so smart.
You're a God.

1294
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,360
No, it's just, you know, it's a,
it's a hodgepodge of thoughts.

1295
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,680
It's more like, how do you
fucking orchestrate this into

1296
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,280
like a presentable piece of
information?

1297
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:17,280
The knowledge base is easy, the
script writing is difficult.

1298
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,360
Yeah.
Yeah, to kind of go.

1299
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:24,120
Over the flow.
To kind of go over the the

1300
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:31,840
topics for the next quarter that
I will be presenting next week

1301
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,520
when you're listening to this, I
don't have anybody planned right

1302
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:38,440
now, but obviously this is
literally a month away from the

1303
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:41,720
the date that we're recording.
So that could obviously change.

1304
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,200
But right now that that week is
empty.

1305
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:47,680
We're going to try to fill it in
probably with an interview and

1306
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:49,880
then we're going to get into
something that I am trying

1307
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:53,800
desperately to try to finish to
come out on July 9th.

1308
01:14:54,440 --> 01:15:00,440
Right before my two-part series
on the UFOs over Elmwood, I want

1309
01:15:00,440 --> 01:15:04,280
to cover a brief history on
secret government UFO projects.

1310
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:07,400
Yes, I know Jeff, it's gonna be
great.

1311
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:08,320
I got some.
I got some.

1312
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:13,160
Really, really cool shit to talk
about their project Aquarius

1313
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:16,840
and, and some of the some of the
other stuff I don't, I don't

1314
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:19,880
wanna open that up too much
'cause you know, gotta gotta say

1315
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:21,200
something for the actual
episode.

1316
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:25,040
But some really, really
interesting stuff that I that I

1317
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:28,240
was able to uncover and I'm, I'm
working really hard to get that

1318
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:29,080
done.
What's up?

1319
01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:33,840
And and the Inferno anniversary
is coming up on in August 27th.

1320
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:35,280
Oh yeah, I'm getting there.
I'm getting there.

1321
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:43,480
So so July 9th trying to trying
to get a brief history of secret

1322
01:15:43,480 --> 01:15:49,720
government UFO projects done and
then July 16th and 23rd UFO is

1323
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:55,440
over Elmwood one and two.
July 30th as of right now is

1324
01:15:55,440 --> 01:16:01,600
slotted for C JS Ghost Ships
episode and then the entire

1325
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:07,720
month of August is gonna be
parts 123 and four of the Hollow

1326
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:10,920
Earth.
Dang, Yep.

1327
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:15,120
They're all recorded, they're
all edited, they're all uploaded

1328
01:16:15,480 --> 01:16:18,760
ready to go.
Actually I think I think 1-2 and

1329
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:20,760
three is done. 4 just has to be
edited.

1330
01:16:21,480 --> 01:16:30,200
So almost there.
And then September is the one

1331
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:31,440
that's kind of up in the air
right now.

1332
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:33,680
That's where you're going to
probably see Jake's Dragon

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episode, Jeff's holographic
universe.

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In fact, that would fit really
well.

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And then on September 24th,
we'll be right back here for the

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quarter three wrap up.
Don't know if the format of the

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Infinite Rabbit Hole will change
by then, but as of right now,

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that's what we're looking at.
Good.

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01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,040
All right.
Anything else guys?

1340
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:04,120
Send it back, start over.
Now I'm going to bed.

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All right, well, that has been
another episode of the Infinite

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Rabbit Hole podcast.
Once again, I'm your host

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01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:15,240
Jeremy, this is Jake and Jeff
Co, hosts of the Infinite Rabbit

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01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:16,600
Hole.
Good guys.

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01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:19,920
Just on podcast, though in real
life they're Dicks.

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01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:25,520
But yes, yeah, I'll see you.
I'll see you and the next fork

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01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:27,080
in the path of the infinite
rabbit hole.

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01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:30,320
Goodbye, everybody.
Bye.

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01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:31,880
There you go.
There it.

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01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:33,800
Is Skeeter say bye?
There he is.

1351
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:40,360
He says bye.
I would like to thank you once

1352
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:43,520
again for tuning into the
Infinite Rabbit Hole Podcast.

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01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:47,080
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Until next time, travelers.
I'm Jeremy, and I'll see you at

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the next fork in the path of the
infinite rabbit hole.

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01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:47,960
All right, this line covers at
the time as of 1985 Future Past.

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01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:58,880
Prior to this point in time,
somewhere in the past, the

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01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:05,720
timeline viewed into this Cancel
creating an alternate 1980 Five

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alternate view near Einstein.