203. Psychedelics, Owls, & Timelines w/ Phantom Phil

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Imagine that this line either
this point.

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In time, somewhere in the past,
the timeline you put into this

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tangent, creating a world to
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That's the sound of a 60.
Not the silent one that killed

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Bin Laden, but the regular one.
Regular, yeah.

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That's a regular loud one all
right a few announcements real

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quick.
We just announced our second

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tier to our Patreon today.
It comes fully loaded with a

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bonus episode every month.
It will be a solo documentary.

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January is going to be the John
Teeter time Traveller story

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which is looking to be my
absolute longest episode I've

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ever done.
Currently sitting at 22 pages of

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stuff and I'm.
Only halfway.

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Through the research.
Oh my goodness.

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Yep, it's going to be a long
one.

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Nerd.
As a bonus, every three months

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you will get an additional sit
down conversation with myself

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and my Co hosts.
It'll be on the last I believe I

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said Monday.
You have to check the

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description would be for sure,
but I'm pretty sure it's the

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last Monday of the quarter.
So it would be on March, June,

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September and December starting
in 2025 where we will discuss

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the three topics that we covered
in that quarters.

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Month 1, John Teeter, the time
traveller.

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Month two, we are reworking and
plugging in a ton more

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information on Skinwalker Ranch,
which was voted upon as a

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subject that you guys wanted to
see remastered and redone with a

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whole bunch of new content.
And then we posted the poll on

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Patreon this morning asking you
what you wanted to see or hear

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in March in the six topics that
we chose.

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Hold on, I have to find it.
Give me a second look at me.

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I'm not professional at all.
But the six topics that you can

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choose from are are all right.
For your aliens and UFOs topic

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we got Betty and Barney Hill,
Cryptids and critters,

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Chupacabra, Science and Medical,
Deja Vu, alternate history or

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reality, electric universe,
location based topic, Wisconsin

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high strangeness, and the wild
card topic for March could

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potentially be project paper
clip.

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So whichever topic wins will
become the project for March.

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That topic will be removed from
polling and replaced with

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another topic to be voted upon
for April.

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With that being said, I'd like
to re welcome all of you to this

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thrilling episode of the
Infinite Rabbit Hole podcast.

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Let's start with Unabomber.
Jeff, what's up, dude?

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Not a lot of bro just chilling
like Bob Dylan what's up with

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you?
Not much, man.

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I got you and Jacob some gifts
today that I'm that I'm sending

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you tomorrow.
Jacob's got to wait because I

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don't trust him not to open it.
So.

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So the rule is, I appreciate
that, dude.

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You're going to love it, I
think.

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I think you're going to really
fucking dig it, to be honest

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with you.
The rule is you can't open it

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until we're recording episode
200, which will be December

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22nd.
I believe it is officially.

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I know that.
I know that.

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We kind of bounced that around a
little bit.

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Can't bring.
Box better not be ticking when

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it gets to it's not even.
I'm not going to hold on to it

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until the day that we're
recording.

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Seems a little suspicious.
It's not even a box, it's going

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to be a bag.
But anyways, a bag will have

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psychedelic drugs in it that
poof into your face when you

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open it.
We're doing the Stoned Ape

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Theory, so we got to make sure
you're stoned.

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Oh yes.
Yeah, Yeah, man.

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Thank you.
So I'm kind of excited, dude.

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I'm, I'm really, really excited
about that.

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It's going to be a great
episode.

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Also, I want to announce for the
200th episode, make sure you're

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here because we're going to do
our first ever giveaway here on

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the Infinite Rabbit Hole
podcast.

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I'm going to be giving away one
of the gifts.

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Well, so Jake and Jeff will have
their gifts, but you can also

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get one of them as well when you
see it.

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I will be giving one away for
every 10 people in the chat that

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night.
So if we have 20 people, we'll

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do 2.
I will at least be giving away 1

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though, and then we'll give you
a, a stack of stickers.

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We'll probably have some other
things to give away as well.

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Jacob Sick Jake, What's up,
dude?

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Dude I'm so sick I can't focus
on stuff.

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Yeah, I feel like.
I'm drunk.

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Like I'm just.
It's terrible.

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Yeah.
But I want to come on here to

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talk to Phil, so here I am.
He said and quote, I'm not going

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to go because I don't feel good.
And I was like, hey guys, here's

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a screenshot of my conversation
with our guest, Phantom Phil.

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And he's like, OK, I'm coming on
pretty much exactly how it

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happened.
Pretty much exactly how it

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happened.
Speaking of Phantom Phil,

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welcome back to the infinite
rabbit hole, dude.

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Yeah, great to be back.
Thank you for having me.

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Good to see you guys.
It's been a long time.

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What was what was the last
episode we did here?

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I know we've been on your show a
few times.

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What was the last episode you
did here with us?

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It's got to be like a good two
to three years at this point,

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man, do you think?
Was it The Simpsons time travel?

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Yeah.
Is that the last one?

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If it wasn't that one, it was
like just after, so it's pretty

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close.
Dang man, it's been a while,

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huh?
I I've done you dirty.

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Well, we've gone through a lot
of transitions, a lot of changes

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since then and here.
We are dirty.

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Yeah, so Phantom Phil is the
host of the Unexplained Ink

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podcast.
Good friend of the Infinite

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Rabbit Hole.
Good friend from pretty damn

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close to the beginning of the
show.

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We became friends through a
mutual friend, CJI.

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Don't know if anybody's
listening to this knows who that

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is, but he was a guy that was
part of the Infinite Rabble

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podcast and then he just
disappeared.

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I haven't talked to him in
forever.

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It's like he doesn't love me
anymore, doesn't even check to

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see if I'm OK, just lives his
life not worrying about me

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anymore.
Yep, kind of rude.

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Are you OK?
I was until I started thinking

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about that.
I love.

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Sam.
He was on my show just a couple

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of weeks ago.
He's got a lot of love for you

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still, don't worry.
Yeah, Yeah.

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Well, I haven't heard it in a
while.

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OK, if you're listening, CJ, let
me know.

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Same.
Yeah.

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Anyways, so a lot of changes
going on over there at

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Unexplained Inc.
What you want to take us through

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some of the some of the the
stuff that's going on over

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there?
Some of the changes since we've

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last connected.
Yeah, absolutely.

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Before I get into that, though,
I'm so happy for you guys with

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your upcoming 200th episode.
My 200th episode will be on

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April 11th, 2025.
And the reason I bring that up

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is I just confirmed to the guest
for that episode this past week

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and it's yeah.
And it's going to be a live

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stream in one way or another.
I don't know how I'm going to do

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it yet, but I'll just say this,
I'm not going to give away who

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it is, but it is someone who is
quite local to me.

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So Southern Ontario, Canada, who
has a rather wide international

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following in this field of the
fringe, in the unexplained.

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So that's all I'm going to say
for now.

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More details to come later.
And the five year anniversary of

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the show will be taking place at
the end of March.

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That is just going to take place
right now.

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But Jeremy, do you want me to
get into some of the overall

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changes that I've gone through
with the show?

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Yeah, real quick though, I just
want to put out Jake messaged

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me.
He's not he's obviously not

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feeling good.
He sounds like shit today, but

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he wanted to make sure, you
know, he got it and be able to

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say hi to you, Phil.
So Jeff or Jake bounced for the

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night.
But yeah, absolutely.

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Man.
Let's let's hear some of these

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changes.
I want to hear because I, I want

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to hear about this, this alter
ego that you got too.

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Oh yeah, yeah.
So anyway, peace out, Jake.

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Hope you're feeling better soon
and we'll reconnect soon.

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It's a shame you couldn't be
here.

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So I was doing 12 episode
seasons for about 3 cycles.

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And the reason I did that, that
started in April of 2022 because

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I was approaching burnout and
stagnation and I just changed

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something.
So I thought, why not do these

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12 episode seasons with a theme?
And it worked out really well

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for a while.
The problem was is that I

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started killing my own momentum.
I would get to a peak at the end

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of the season, and then by the
time I ramped up the following

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season, which would be like two
to three months later, I'd have

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to start from scratch all over
again.

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And then I started to realize,
why am I doing this?

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Like I'm at the point where I
can make my workflow continuous.

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So Easter weekend of this year
at the end of March I came back

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with an assortment of solo
episodes and I was very very

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very close to gaining a Co host.
Unfortunately that whole

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arrangement fell off of a Cliff.
So it all came back on to me and

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it's still me to this day.
So I'll just quickly break down

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the solo episodes.
Then my alter ego, I started an

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hour long episode check called
The Consciousness Cafe.

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It goes a little bit outside of
the unexplained incorporated

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paradigm.
So I have on counselors,

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healers, spiritual people that I
can talk to without tying it in

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all of the unexplained
phenomenon necessarily.

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And that's what CJ did at the
end of November.

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And yeah, and I have The Great
Escape, which was like kind of

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like a motivational speaking
solo series I did.

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And to geek out on things I
can't normally geek out on.

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However, it's evolved into a
chapter by chapter novel and I

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don't know when it's going to
end.

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And it has an overriding theme
about just trying to escape from

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the craziness of this modern
world for as much as we can.

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And the other one you might find
this really needs.

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Serendipitously, at the end of
2023, I learned a little bit on

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how astral project.
What?

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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Now I am by no means an expert
and I'm still learning, but I

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hooked up with a guest on the
show who took me through some

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training, showed me a ritual on
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So I've made some progress with
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these.
So I started something called

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the Astral report and I thought
this would be really cool to do

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solo episodes on my astral
projection, but it might be kind

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of chaotic and random.
And then I decided back in the

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spring, why don't I project back
to famous unexplained events

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like UFO clashes and stuff like
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So I've done two of them so far.
I was going to do a third one

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this month, but I have to bump
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Those episodes are very, they're
shorter and they're very raw.

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A lot of it's me recording into
my phone.

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And I do say it's for
entertainment purposes only

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because I'm not trying to say I
know history or I know the

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answers to unsolved mysteries.
I'm just reporting what I'm

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seeing and you jump to your own
conclusions.

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It's like a like a docudrama
kind of thing.

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What do you mean by docudrama?
I just want to make sure I

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answer that properly.
So it's like a documentary with

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a skit.
Yeah, but the skit is based on

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an actual experience I had
international.

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It's not, it's not quote UN
quote fiction.

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It's what I'm perceiving as my
experience.

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Like for example, the first one
I did was the first reported

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American UFO crash in rural
Missouri that happened before

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Roswell, like a good six years
before Roswell.

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Is that the one with the
screens?

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I don't.
Think that's, Well, no, and I

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hold on.
I'll pull it up on my browser

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here.
But while I'm doing that, I'll

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just quickly explain my alter
ego.

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So as you well know, I like to
dabble into conspiracies like

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Mr. Jeff and maybe to a lesser
extent you and Jake, but I'm not

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really a conspiracy podcast.
And Jeff, why do you look so

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shocked?
He doesn't.

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Like conspiracies.
I'm follow all the narratives my

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friend.
What do you mean?

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You're just such a normie,
aren't you?

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He's getting CNN tattooed on his
nipples.

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I am.
CNN and ABC, right?

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My alter ego.
Long story how this came to be

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so I won't get into it right
now, but I decided to tackle

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some of the darker
conspiratorial topics.

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I was going to come up with an
alter ego based on my own

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shadow, my dark half, and I'm
making him as arrogant and as

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obnoxious as you possibly can.
So basically the things we don't

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like and we stand for this alter
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Like he wants singularity, he
wants people to be dependent on

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the system and to get sick.
He wants never ending war.

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And I feel like when trying to
teach people about some of these

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darker topics, you have to
inject a bit of absurd humor

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into it.
And alongside that, I started

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going from audio only episodes
to video streams as well.

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And now my video episodes are
available on Rumble and the

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return of this alter ego Phantom
Bill Fortune will be in mid

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January, not too long after the
presidential inauguration.

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And I'm going to have ton of
material to work with.

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Interesting.
How's that working out?

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It's been interesting so far
that's been positive.

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There may be some people I've
lost who may have taken it too

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literally or they just don't get
it, but the overall feedback has

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been positive.
And the first one I did was at a

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skit at a local metaphysical
shop that I know, and they

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rented their basement out to do
it.

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And then there's one more
episode I just recorded here in

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my home studio with the
unexplained backdrop, but I got

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in full regalia.
I was quite surprised at how

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quickly I got into the
character.

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So I also want to say I am not
responsible for what that

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character says and does.
He's got his own ego, he's got

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his own mind.
So if he says something you

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don't like, it's all in him, in
his container.

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Don't take that on me.
So let's, let's play around with

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this a little bit.
So you, you got yourself and you

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got your alter ego.
How do you, how do you Phantom

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Phil, feel about the UFO stuff
going on right now in the US

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Congress?
It's interesting, my latest

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episode, I got into this
discussion a little bit, got

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into it a little bit with CJ at
the end of November, but you

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know, it didn't go that far.
Now, this guest who I had on my

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show recently, Karen Holton, she
is a, what I would call the

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full-fledged contactee on many
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And her and I kind of both are
in agreement right now that a

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lot of what's going on might be
a misdirection or covering some

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type of a hidden agenda.
What exactly we do not know, but

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it's just so bizarre that
there's this level of acceptance

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in government institutions and
in the mainstream now, whereas a

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couple of decades ago or even
less like this would never be

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brought up.
So it just has this going.

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What's really going on here or
what is the setting up for?

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That's pretty much where we're
at right now.

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Yeah.
What are they distracting us

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from?
That's what I'm that's like my

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biggest question usually is like
what, what else is going on or

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what's really going on?
This is not, it can't be

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disclosure.
There's no way.

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I don't believe it.
Yeah, I have a hopeful heart.

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Hi.
I wanted I, I want this to be

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disclosure so bad.
Like I really do.

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I want to be alive for when, you
know, when this stuff finally

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takes off.
Well, I think there's a

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difference between hopeful and
belief, right?

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Like, you know, sure, I'm
hopeful that it is disclosure,

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but I don't believe that it is.
So Phil, what does the what does

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the alter ego believe?
Well, the alter ego, he wants

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you to believe whatever
narratives are out there.

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He doesn't want you to question
anything.

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And it's interesting because the
alter ego will likely talk about

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this in the January episode, so
I'm not going to.

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Fool.
You right now, however, the

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alter ego wants you to trust
whatever is said and don't

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question anything.
And he's also not shy about

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putting his own interests and
out there and throwing them in

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your face.
Yeah, that's that's likely his

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take on it.
I before we move on, I have an

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announcement to make.
There's a, there's a scumbag in

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the chat.
His name's CJ.

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He, he doesn't doesn't ever
reach out and tell me how much

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he loves me anymore.
He just, you know, but it's kind

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of funny.
We were just talking shit about

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him and here he is.
It's like.

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He's here to see me, obviously.
Guys, I'm at the Stiff Socks

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podcast live show.
What does that mean?

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Tell us what that means.
Tell us what that means, CJ,

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what does it mean?
I can't decipher that.

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Anyways, he must have.
He must have known that you were

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on or or.
This is This is one of those

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things that you love the
synchronicities.

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Oh yeah, it could be.
Could be a synchronicity.

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It's probably not though,
because it's CJ, but he's

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probably just just stalking us.
CJ is the one that willed this

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to happen man.
He's the one who manifested it.

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Maybe he did.
Maybe this is all part of CJ's

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plan.
I don't believe it.

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Anyways, can you see the chat,
Phil?

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Can you he shout out to you?
He's like, he said it was so.

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I just want to say with my
device and my last minute change

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before going live, I cannot see
the chat right now.

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So anything you guys want to
relay, just relay it to me

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because I can't see it at the
moment.

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Yeah.
We'll, we'll relay that for you

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for sure.
So if anybody does have a

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question for Phil, sound off in
the chat and then Jeff and I

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will make sure that we squeeze
it in for you guys.

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But yeah, So what else, what
else is going on over there at

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Unexplained Ink?
So to, to clarify for some of

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the people who may be newer
travellers of the Infinite

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Rabbit Hole and may not be too
familiar with Unexplained Ink,

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because we have, we have quite a
bit more of a following than we

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did last time you were on Phil.
Phil is somebody that we worked

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with very often early on in the
history of the podcast.

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I've been on Phil's show
multiple times, 3 or 4 Times

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Now.
Phil does a show, it's, it's

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similar to the Infinite Rabbit
Hole, but he covers a lot of the

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subjects that we don't.
So if you're very into like the

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the metaphysical, the occult,
that kind of stuff, then the

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Unexplained Ink podcast is
definitely one that you could

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definitely get into.
But at the same time, he does

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cover a lot of the similar
topics as we do, such as

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kryptids and UFOs and aliens and
and all that good stuff.

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So if you like the flavor of the
metaphysical a little bit more

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than what we cover, by all
means, I highly recommend Phil's

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Unexplained ink.
Pretty freaking awesome.

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Sorry, Phil, I just had to throw
it out there because I didn't

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even write you up a, an intro
today.

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What a terrible person.
I'm the man that doesn't need an

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intro.
I'll give the intro man.

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There you go.
Hell yeah, man, Hell yeah.

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So give us some insight like if
you're, if you're trying to get

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one of the the listeners of the
Infinite Rabbit Hole, go check

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out one of your shows.
What?

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What episode are you
recommending right now?

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OK, well I got a couple for you.
I'm just going to say this.

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First off, December, even though
we're like almost in the second

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week, there are just bangers
piling up on my ends.

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I recorded an episode yesterday,
a 2 hour marathon that's

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premiering on the 20 season
right in the middle of the

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holidays, and it's one of the
most fun episodes I've ever

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done.
One other thing, Jeremy, you hit

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the nail on the head with what
the show was really all about.

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But one thing that is increased
is I'm getting into quite a bit

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of discussion of psychedelic
use.

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And some of this is some of this
is based on my own experience

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and the experiences of my guest.
And the December 27th show goes

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heavily into that.
So if you're interested in that,

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that's one to check out.
My most recent episode, December

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6th with Karen Holton of Quantum
Guides and Aliens and Angels,

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that's another really fun 11
I'll throw out there.

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This was the first full video
episode I did after the Phantom

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Phil Fortune premiere.
I got connected with a medical

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doctor out of Australia named
Clayton Spencer, and he was

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really fascinating because he's
letting me know that Sydney,

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Australia, at least the clinics
he's associated with, are

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legally prescribing psilocybin
to psychic patients down there.

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And he's a big part of that.
And he's had his own dealings

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with that in ayahuasca, and he
couldn't get into too much on

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the air because he is still a
licensed practicing physician.

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And he could, he says too much.
But what really fascinated me

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was at the same time.
And they didn't even know this

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until we started recording
together because for whatever

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reason, the prep was minimal and
his background was minimal.

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He's a shaman who's been to
shamanic tribes and initiations

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all around the world.
And he researches cryptids.

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And I'm finding this out in the
middle of the interview, and

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he's telling me about cryptids
in like, Ireland and Australia

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and the UK.
And it was just an episode that

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really snowballed into something
I wasn't expecting.

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And I think it's a really good
representation of where the show

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was at as well.
And another thing we touched

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upon was from a shamanic
perspective, the transition of

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passing over into death and the
why it shouldn't be feared.

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So like like you guys, I'd like
to have fun on the show once in

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a while, but it can also get
extremely deep and profound as

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well.
It depends on where the

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conversation goes.
So those would be good episodes

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to check out if you're new to
this and they do first few.

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Well, all right, so I got a ton
of stuff we could talk about

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right now, including last week.
We went through an exercise here

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on the show and the chat went
nuts and we got a lot of people

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involved there.
So we may end up having to visit

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that again, Jeff, if you're
down.

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But let's, let's start.
Let's talk about the

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psychedelics really quick
because this is something I've

451
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been researching very heavily
lately because like I said, our

452
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200th episode, which we'll be
recording in two weeks from

453
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today, we're going to be doing
the Stoned Ape Theory, which is

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Terrace.
What?

455
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Kind of like a little teaser
conversation about that bro

456
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,880
right now.
Man, I wish, I wish, I mean we

457
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could talk about it a little
bit, right.

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OK, so for those that are in the
know, because this this

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episode's gonna be coming out
after the the 200th episode

460
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,160
anyways, this episode's I don't
think this episode's gonna drop

461
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:24,480
until late January, honestly.
Hey, if you're in the chat live,

462
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,040
man, you get the, you get the
real benefits, man, you get the

463
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,320
Denny's.
That's right.

464
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This is this is something that
you only hear right here, right

465
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:35,680
now.
By the time the rest of the

466
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,320
world hears it, it'll already
been spoiled.

467
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But basically the stone ape
theory is Terence Mckenna's

468
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theory.
He passed away a while ago, but

469
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he had this amazing theory that
the human intelligence evolved

470
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:04,200
extremely fast in a span of
about 3,000,000 years due to us

471
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coming out of the trees and
hitting the the grasslands of

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the Savannah, which is, you
know, what's commonly referred

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to as the Savannah hypothesis,
which is something that we also

474
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covered in the aquatic ape
theory episode a little while

475
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,240
back.
Actually at the beginning of

476
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:25,720
2024, we covered it.
But where he adds to that

477
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particular hypothesis is when we
came out of the trees, we

478
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started walking upright, We came
across feces all over the

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grasslands by grass grazing
herbivores like cows and

480
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,640
ogulates and you know, hooved
animals, which creates a stool

481
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,600
or feces.
That is the perfect growing

482
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material for psilocybin laced
mushrooms.

483
00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:56,160
And in a physical adaption or
evolution, depending on what

484
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term you like to use, that took
a million years to grow our

485
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cranium three times the size
grew our our cranial capacity

486
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three times the size.
That same change in the same

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period of time is seen over a
multitude of different species,

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but with a sliver of a fraction
of a size increase, meaning like

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.2% where we literally had our
craniums grow three times bigger

490
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,440
in the same time frame.
So basically the the mushroom,

491
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,600
the psilocybin is the key that
helped us become.

492
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Yes.
Self aware, intelligent,

493
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,000
conscious, like whatever however
you want to.

494
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Yeah, it all lines up.
It lines up perfectly well, you

495
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know, when you when you look at
the the time frame from when we

496
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came out of the trees and the
receding of the the African

497
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rainforest and the need to get
out of the trees.

498
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And then you look at the the
bovine in the ancient bovines

499
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that existed back then and how
their diet relates to the diet

500
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of bovines and ogulates that
share this the African Savannah

501
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,800
now and how they're diet would
have created a feces that is

502
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very, very similar to the one
that is created now.

503
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And how psilocybin mushrooms
still grow to this day on poop

504
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,000
all over Africa.
I mean all over the world,

505
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,920
really, even here in America,
none of.

506
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:25,240
That, but like basically the
entire Earth is a giant network,

507
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,440
a giant web of you know, like
mycelium and yeah, yeah,

508
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mushrooms.
The Earth is a mushroom

509
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,880
essentially, right?
So, well, yeah, it's crazy.

510
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,200
And then you then you get into
like panspermia and shit like

511
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that and it's like, you know is.
Panspermia's wild.

512
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,840
Yeah, you get into the idea is
the spore the the intelligence

513
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,520
that's being boot across the the
cosmos, right, Yeah.

514
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,840
Well, so for anybody who doesn't
know what the term panspermia

515
00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:00,080
means, it means that living
organisms traveled on most

516
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,720
likely like a comet or asteroid
or meteor landed on the planet

517
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,920
or some sort of spatial debris
from another planet from a

518
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,280
collision and landed here on on
Earth.

519
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,000
And those organisms most likely
bacteria at the time because we

520
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,560
know that like.
Or in this space, spores.

521
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,440
Spores right?
Because we know tardigrades can

522
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,040
can survive out in the the
vacuum of space, but basically

523
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,800
they hitched a ride, landed on
Earth and grew from there, which

524
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,080
we have evidence of this
happening from Mars.

525
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:34,920
By the way, we have evidence of
Mars based rocks here on Earth,

526
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,120
so we know that transpermia,
yeah.

527
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,160
That's because they those rocks
are from Greenland.

528
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They're not from Mars, but
that's another fucking story.

529
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That is a whole another fucking
story.

530
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,960
Anyways, so when you when you
get into psilocybin mushrooms

531
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and how the the changes in the
human intelligence took place

532
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,520
and you look at the, you know,
the three big things that

533
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,960
happened, one, we started
standing upright and we became

534
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,000
more evasive.
We became smarter and our

535
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,240
hunting 2, we fucked like
rabbits and our population just

536
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,360
exploded.
And three, we created culture

537
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,680
and religion.
So if you look at the three, the

538
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,800
way Terence Mcgyana broke it
down in his book Food of the

539
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:22,040
Gods, is that there's basically
3 levels of dosing yourself with

540
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,640
psilocybin or a psychedelic like
materials like peyote or

541
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,400
whatever it's called, right?
LSD, Peyote, LSD.

542
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,760
Take your pick, right?
First, the first one is.

543
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,680
The first one's a micro dose,
right?

544
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:41,560
And in micro doses or batches,
you can increase your senses.

545
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,600
And there's actually a lot of
tests that have been done where

546
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:49,600
people can spot subtle changes
in advanced artworks and, or in

547
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:54,120
advanced situations where it's
like, OK, find the one long

548
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,920
piece of hair in this pile of
hair.

549
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And and and people who were
given LSD can find in small

550
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,560
doses by the way, can find that
called the.

551
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,680
Hyper awareness, right?
That's what I've experienced on

552
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,360
this is that on low doses of of
pretty much any psychedelic, you

553
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,320
become hyper aware almost as if
a filter has been removed from

554
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,680
reality.
And you can just notice things

555
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,400
on a not a microscopic level.
But you can definitely notice

556
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,720
things on on a much smaller and
like more tuned in level than

557
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,080
you can normally on on lower
doses of so psychedelic.

558
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,600
The way that Terence would kind
of explain that was this could

559
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,440
be the reason why we became
like, why we were able to outrun

560
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,120
our predators, why we were able
to outsmart our prey.

561
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,760
Hunting.
Yeah, where we were.

562
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,560
Small tools and like arrowheads
and.

563
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,360
Yeah.
You know, all this stuff starts

564
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,000
coming together and then the
middle dosage, right, which I

565
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,200
can't remember what he called
it, but I have it in, in the

566
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,680
presentation.
Basically this, it increases

567
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,280
your sexual arousal, right?
It is, it makes you want to fuck

568
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,880
and it makes you want to fuck
everything.

569
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,880
So basically when you, when you
look at the, the population boom

570
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,760
around the exact same time as
you know, when we got came out

571
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,960
of trees and discovered the
psilocybin mushrooms attached to

572
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,440
cattle shit and on the African
Savannah, you, you see the

573
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:19,120
corresponding population boom.
OK, which is a side effect of a

574
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,440
medium dose of psychedelic
drugs.

575
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,920
Then when you do a high dose or
macro dose, then you start

576
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,120
getting or hallucinating.
But it's not just visual

577
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,520
hallucinations.
It's also hallucinations that

578
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,040
attack and send signals to all
five of your senses.

579
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,440
Every single one of.
Those.

580
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,880
Yeah, the heroic dose, right?
So they say that the heroic dose

581
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,880
is what gave birth to things
like religion, culture, maybe

582
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,480
even language where they were
speaking to each other with an

583
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:54,360
open mind and the psychedelic
realm of psilocybin shit covered

584
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,000
mushrooms.
I've literally had what I could

585
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,080
only equate to like spiritual
like profoundly spiritual

586
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,000
experiences on on high doses of
certain psychedelics before.

587
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,199
And.
I've always thought to myself

588
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:12,800
that if, you know, I live 1000
or 10, but yeah, if I lived 1000

589
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,320
or 10,000 years ago and I had
those experiences that I had,

590
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:20,400
that I, there's no other way
that I could have explained that

591
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,719
then with some deity or some
whatever, right, Some higher

592
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:28,840
being.
And you probably would have been

593
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,840
like, you won't believe what I
witnessed everyone for I know.

594
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,639
Absolutely, Absolutely.
But it is crazy.

595
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,239
But you start, you know, you
think about this kind of stuff

596
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,800
and, and the amount of knowledge
or perceived knowledge that they

597
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,120
could have been receiving from
this.

598
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,440
Terence McKenna says that this
could easily have been one of

599
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,639
the very first stages of a human
culture where generation after

600
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:55,320
generation after generation
started getting into these

601
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,360
psychedelic mushrooms because
they were giving them great

602
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:04,120
religious wisdom or experiences
that they they could not get

603
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,760
without the help of of the
psilocybin mushrooms.

604
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,920
And then not only that, but then
you have like more recent

605
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,640
studies where they're showing
that psilocybin and MDMA and a

606
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:20,400
few others are actually like
rewiring neural pathways, right?

607
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,800
So they're doing things like
right now they're using it

608
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,400
clinically for things like
curing addictions, helping with

609
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,600
like anxiety and depression and
these types of things because

610
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,680
it's like remapping the brain.
Literally, dude, there's, you

611
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,040
know, you imagine going back a
million years and you have these

612
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,000
ancient humans eating this like
on a regular basis, like what

613
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,040
that would be doing to the
mapping of the.

614
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,680
Development brain and like
there's no, there's no dose

615
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,040
calculator, they're just
consuming what.

616
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,600
Yeah, right, right.
Right.

617
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:55,440
And babies, they were giving it
to the babies like.

618
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,120
Yeah, well, anyway, just I just
want to add to what Jeff said

619
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,880
really quickly is that my dear
friend who she helped me with

620
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,480
the video shoots and the photos
for my character, my alter ego,

621
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,720
she's had a lot of, she's dealt
with a lot of anxiety and mental

622
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:13,880
health stuff.
And we didn't see each other for

623
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,200
like over a year up until we did
the shoot recently.

624
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,880
And she told me that she started
micro dosing and it's helped her

625
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,840
anxiety and her mental health
obstacles big time.

626
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,800
So there is definitely credence
to that.

627
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,160
And one more thing I want to add
before Jeremy picks it up here

628
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,840
is that I've been doing a lot of
clearing and internal shadow

629
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,440
work over the last year or two,
and it's really reached a new

630
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,040
level here in 2024.
And I've been talking about that

631
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,480
a lot on the show.
Whatever negative baggage and

632
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,160
shadows you're carrying, those
will come at you full force with

633
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,880
psychedelic congestion.
But if you get rid of most of

634
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,520
it, odds are, and it's different
for everybody, odds are your

635
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,400
trip will be magical and
beautiful.

636
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,760
But if you're carrying around a
lot of ugly internal stuff, it's

637
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,000
going to come at you first and
it's not going to be very

638
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,720
pleasant.
And yeah, from experience.

639
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,360
Man.
Yeah, definitely agreed.

640
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,760
It's not for everybody, right.
And you got, it's all for me.

641
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,000
It's always set and setting.
That's a big part of things,

642
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,440
right?
A lot of people fuck up and they

643
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,680
go out and just try to party and
it's like, no, no, no, no.

644
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,680
But this is, there's a reason
that now they're trying to do

645
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,200
this clinically and like, or you
go to like a shamanic practice

646
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,400
somewhere, you know, and if you
can't do either one of those and

647
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,560
if you really feel it, you know,
set and setting is important.

648
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:35,280
So that's a big deal.
Yeah, the there's a big push

649
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:42,840
right now in the veteran medical
field for for the tests of

650
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,200
psychedelics used on veterans
with PTSD.

651
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,560
Like Ibogaine?
Yeah, exactly Ibogaine.

652
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,560
So I mean, there's a there's a
lot there, man.

653
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,800
There's a lot there.
And you know, another thing that

654
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,760
that Terrence be kind of brought
to my attention to while I was

655
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,680
reading this book and I had to
go and research and I I found

656
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,000
myself going down this rabbit
hole of reading peer reviewed

657
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,840
articles on fungus and and it's
correlation to human DNA and

658
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,720
everything apparently between
the three, the three major

659
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:17,000
kingdoms, right.
You have plants and Animalia,

660
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:19,680
and then you have the fungal
Kingdom.

661
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:25,560
We actually share more in common
with fungus and mushrooms than

662
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,200
we do with plants.
And at some point down, down the

663
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,720
road, it's, it's not proven, but
it's conceivable or perceivable

664
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,360
that we may have even evolved
from the same line when we

665
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,320
ourselves could be potentially a
type of fungus or an evolved

666
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,400
form of fungus.
Could you imagine that?

667
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,480
How crazy would that might be?
And especially if it came from

668
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,480
somewhere else, like another
planet, like, yeah, it's just,

669
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,520
it's mind blowing to think that,
you know, how much evidence is

670
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,680
there for that?
Who really knows?

671
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,240
Because we still don't really
understand the the universe,

672
00:38:58,240 --> 00:38:59,560
right?
So it's like, right?

673
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,800
But yeah, one thing I'd like to
add to that real quick, and I'm

674
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,640
talking about this with some of
my guests recently, is that

675
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:11,120
abductees and constant
contactees, they're starting to

676
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,160
kind of string a theory together
that these people might be

677
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,320
getting targeted by certain ETS
or what they perceive to be

678
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:22,080
certain ETS is because they
actually share the DNA with

679
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,640
those races.
The case, who knows?

680
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,680
But the more I hear, the more
I'm really starting to wonder.

681
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,600
And that I just thought of that
when Jeff said, well, what if we

682
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,160
have, you know, the same DNA as
these fungi or mushrooms and

683
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,480
it's from another planet?
And of course, that's just where

684
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:41,400
my mind goes from there.
Yeah, So I can't remember what

685
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,640
you were saying that put me down
that, that, that path there,

686
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,000
Phil.
But I, I just had to get that

687
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,400
out because, man, I, I, the the
rabbit holes that I've been down

688
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,440
with with psychedelics lately is
just absolutely nuts.

689
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,240
And it's some of the most
fascinating shit that I think

690
00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:02,440
I've ever come across.
Let me ask you this, with the

691
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,920
rabbit holes, you know, the
research you're doing, are you

692
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,400
anywhere closer to willing to
try them in any way, shape or

693
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,120
form?
Or are you not the same for?

694
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:19,560
Me dude man if I didn't have
kids in the house cuz I'm not

695
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:25,080
gonna lie man I really was like
wonder whether or not we should

696
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,920
be getting some micro doses for
the the 200th episode not gonna

697
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,800
lie to you man I really wanted
to do it I did and I'm like no I

698
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,200
can't like I'm a dad man I can't
do that stuff right now yeah I.

699
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,600
Know, again, it's a set and
setting type of thing, man, you

700
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,600
got to make sure, especially if
it's going to be something that

701
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,240
you're doing for your first
time, bro, you got to really

702
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:43,880
make sure you, you kind of think
about that.

703
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,120
But you can always come down to
Florida and hang out and we can

704
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,360
make something happen, brother.
Well, we'll see.

705
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:50,440
We'll see.
We'll see.

706
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,400
Probably, probably not.
I mean, I'll see you.

707
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,280
I talk a lot of shit right now,
but probably a pussy out.

708
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,840
Be honest with you.
Fair enough.

709
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,120
Just remember I am a father as
well, but I don't have barely.

710
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,320
There's many children so like
that one and I've been able to

711
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,840
make space in their absence and
usually do it at a neutral site.

712
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,640
So I mean just what Jeff said,
it's all about setting and I

713
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,080
just want to share real quick
where I'm at with things.

714
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,880
It's super interesting how this
happens.

715
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:24,800
Within the last six months to a
year, I've gained hookups for

716
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,560
both BMT and ayahuasca if I want
them.

717
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,520
I am still yeah Yeah.
And I didn't even intend for it

718
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:32,800
to happen.
It just happened.

719
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,800
OK.
And I'm still on the fence on

720
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,400
whether I want to go there or
not.

721
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:43,400
But I think my next logical step
is to find myself a nice sweat

722
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,640
lodge somewhere in rural Ontario
and just see what that does to

723
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,600
me.
So I won't go too in depth in

724
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,440
this right now, but this
calendar year I've discovered a

725
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:59,080
modality called shamanic breath
work which doesn't have any

726
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:03,080
tobaccos, no psychedelics, no
drugs of any kinds.

727
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,000
But it will put you into a state
to release the DMT in your brain

728
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,680
and things will really happen
for you.

729
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,120
And the messages you will get
are pretty interesting.

730
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,080
And I just, and like I said, I
have contacts that could

731
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,800
probably point me to a nice
indigenous sweat lodge and then

732
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,280
I'll probably be tripping like
crazy.

733
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,840
And I, I feel like I might want
to do that before I start

734
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,960
dabbling into the stuff that's
even part of the mushrooms.

735
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,160
So I just, I just want to bring
it up.

736
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,400
It's crazy where it's all going
with.

737
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,480
Me, man, I have man.
It's it makes me extremely

738
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,480
curious, like I'm already, you
know, naturally a very curious

739
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,160
person.
And to think that I could be

740
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,680
missing out on some really epic
shit by not partaking drives me

741
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,240
nuts.
But you know, I'm, I don't know,

742
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:52,120
man, I got to, I got to be
careful with that.

743
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,280
I don't know.
You'll align with it at the

744
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:56,840
right time if it's meant for
you.

745
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,840
That's all I'll say.
Yeah, yeah.

746
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,680
We'll see when I get old, you
know, maybe when I have no

747
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,760
responsibility at all, retired
and stuff, and you know.

748
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,240
Give it a few years, man.
It'll be something.

749
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:11,520
I think that'll be pretty
normal, just like medical

750
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:16,120
marijuana is pretty normal now.
I think give it 5, maybe 10

751
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,400
years of the most I think people
come around and you'll be able

752
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:26,760
to take, you know, like medical
versions of psilocybin or MDMA

753
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,120
or whatever.
MDMA is another one that's

754
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:36,160
that's making its way into
medical studies right now too.

755
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:42,360
That shit's awesome.
Yeah, no, I I've never, but I

756
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,320
mean, I, I suffer from PTSD and
I'm a military vet, so, you

757
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:47,280
know, who knows, Maybe, maybe
I'll.

758
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:48,640
Get prescribed something
degenerate.

759
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:54,760
You know what?
I mean, good stuff, Phil, Good

760
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,640
stuff, dude.
What else?

761
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,240
What else did you, what else
were you saying?

762
00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:01,000
Like I should have wrote that
down too.

763
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,000
I was like, man, he's he's
spinning off a whole bunch of

764
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,680
really good stuff that we could
talk about.

765
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,000
And as soon as you said
something about psychedelics, I

766
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,840
was like, oh, I guess that's
what we're going to talk about.

767
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,000
Then he said he gave away the
whole episode.

768
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:13,680
No, I didn't.
I didn't.

769
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,640
I swear there's a for those of
you that are in the chat.

770
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,880
If you guys found that that
topic interesting, you guys are

771
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,720
going to absolutely love episode
200.

772
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:28,840
It is awesome and and I did I I
made sure that I cut it down.

773
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,680
I did cut it down a little bit
eventually, maybe one day we

774
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,280
could do a Part 2 to it, but I
wanted to make sure that episode

775
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,000
200 stays to just one episode.
It may be a little bit of a

776
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,600
longer episode compared
comparative to others, but it's

777
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,560
going to be a lot of fun.
I I can't wait.

778
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,000
I just can't wait.
It's going to be so much fun.

779
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,920
I like I'm giddy, man.
I I'm not going to ruin the

780
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,080
surprise.
Not going to do it.

781
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,360
I'm not going to do it.
Not going to do it.

782
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:55,320
Phil.
Phil, I can't.

783
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,560
I'm not going to do it.
You guys can feel surprises

784
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,080
intact.
I'm doing the same thing.

785
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:00,520
I'm.
I'm just holding on some

786
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,640
interesting stuff right now.
So I mean, yeah.

787
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:05,160
Well, I I can I can share the
surprise with you.

788
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,280
I'll feel this.
I could do that.

789
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,600
You just can't tell anybody
else, especially Ken Czar,

790
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,120
because I know she's in the chat
right now.

791
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,720
Because she better not.
Crystal says you cut the episode

792
00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:16,480
down.
I'm proud of you.

793
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:17,840
Thanks, Crystal.
Thanks.

794
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:23,840
It honestly like it.
It most likely or should have,

795
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,360
should have been 22 parts.
Hello.

796
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,440
Do you have a hard time keeping
gifts a secret?

797
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,560
Oh I do, I do.
Kenzar.

798
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,000
It's bad.
Like before we even got into

799
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,840
live.
I was talking about that because

800
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:42,000
I got Jake and Jeff a gift for
episode 200.

801
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,680
Episode 200 Part 2 is exclusive
for Patreon.

802
00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:48,240
That's the one where we're all
going to trip on suicide and

803
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:50,720
mushrooms.
You got to subscribe if you want

804
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:53,120
to see some stupid shit.
I don't want to, I don't want to

805
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,280
speak on his behalf, but Jake
might be even less ready for

806
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:57,200
that than you are.
Jeremy.

807
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,960
Just a hug.
I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure.

808
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,600
Phil, I'm.
I'm sending you a picture of it

809
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,960
right now.
Oh, wait, hold on.

810
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,360
Nevermind.
I'm not doing it right now.

811
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:07,640
I'm.
Going to ask you till later

812
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,720
anyway so that's OK.
That's fine.

813
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:10,200
That's fine.
Yeah.

814
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:11,280
I think this is going to be so
cool.

815
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:18,320
Let's see what, Jeff do you want
to get into that, that little

816
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,600
exercise that we did last week?
Yeah, man, we can do that.

817
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,000
Give me like just a second
though.

818
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,040
I need to fill up my water so.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

819
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:27,520
Go for it.
Go.

820
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,000
Well, I mean, you know what it
is, so you can come back.

821
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,400
Right.
But I, I, you gotta, I have a

822
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,280
memory of a goldfish, so just
give me like a second.

823
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,440
OK.
Are you, Jeremy, I guess

824
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,080
something to pitch to you really
doing that?

825
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:38,520
Yeah, what you got?
Me.

826
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,120
So we talked like back in the
late spring and you're like,

827
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,200
hey, come on the show of as long
as you can think of a topic and

828
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:50,280
for whatever reason I couldn't
align with the right topic over

829
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,080
these last few months.
How does this sound to you?

830
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:58,280
I come on on a future date and
we do an episode on hypnotherapy

831
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:07,160
past and future timelines.
Oh, I no, no, no.

832
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,440
So I I actually got a book back.
Mm hmm.

833
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,200
This is, I don't know if this is
what you're mostly talking

834
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:19,600
about, but this is particularly
a book on the children's

835
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:24,920
memories of past lives.
This and look at this thing.

836
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,120
Yeah.
Yeah, like this is this is a

837
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,920
piece of a book, man.
I eventually this will make it

838
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:36,200
into the into the rotation for a
a Patreon exclusive episode.

839
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:39,960
But yeah, so if if this is what
you're talking about, something

840
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,800
along those lines and you want
to do like the hypnosis thing.

841
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,920
I mean, if you got to hook up
with somebody who can come on

842
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,040
and hit hypnotize us and talk
about our past lives or do past

843
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,080
life regression, I'd be down.
You are.

844
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,040
I'm not this thing right now.
I don't know if you you're not

845
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,960
even aware of this, are you?
Like, no, see, this is there's a

846
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,440
lot going on with me these days,
man.

847
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,840
This is what I'm saying, man.
Like catch us up, catch us up.

848
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,680
What do you got?
All right.

849
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,360
Well, I guess we'll go here
before we to our other things

850
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,960
since it's kind of relevant now.
So in a few months after we met

851
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,560
in November 2021, one of those
Facebook groups were in about

852
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:23,040
matching up podcast guests.
I found a spiritually based

853
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,240
hypnotherapist, this German lady
who was living in South Africa.

854
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,800
And I liked the way she looked.
I liked her story, just her

855
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,440
whole vibe.
And I was like, I should see if

856
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,640
I can get her on the show.
And she was really busy, so she

857
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,720
was able to give me like 45
minutes, which is a bit shorter

858
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:40,240
than normal.
But we had a good chat.

859
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:42,840
And then we ended up staying in
touch.

860
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:48,560
And then when I relaunched after
my hiatus in September 2022, she

861
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:53,480
came on for a two-part chat
about this Instagram post that

862
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,440
she made about what's keeping us
weak and disempowered.

863
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,640
And it's a chat I loved.
I don't know if the listeners

864
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,160
loved it so much, but I thought
it was a very valuable one to

865
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,240
have.
And right around that time, she

866
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:11,720
told me she was starting online
training for this form of

867
00:49:11,720 --> 00:49:13,640
hypnotherapy.
And I was really interested.

868
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:18,280
The previous year, I kind of
decided I wanted to study it,

869
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,720
and there was a place within an
hour of me that did it.

870
00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:24,760
But they seemed very corporate
and sterile.

871
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:31,320
And the corporate one, yeah,
like the feel was.

872
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,640
So I was on board with what they
were doing until I read A blog

873
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:40,040
from the founder and she
basically said, oh, people seek

874
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,880
out hypnotherapy for reasons to
change behavior and quit smoking

875
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,880
and all this.
They don't do it spiritual woo

876
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,080
reasons.
And then I was like, OK, we're

877
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,800
not going to get along here, you
know?

878
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,280
And then I.
I had spiritual woo woo.

879
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,600
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's what I embody.

880
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,200
Like, come on.
But anyway, I connected with

881
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,240
Jenny and then she was nice
enough to come back for a

882
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:06,440
two-part episode on my show.
And then I said Jenny, let me

883
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,480
know when the program is
launching online again and I'll

884
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,520
see if I can join it, pay for it
or whatever.

885
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,880
Well, in early 2023, she reaches
out to me and she goes, well,

886
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,440
I've designed the program to be
on demand now so you can pay for

887
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,440
it and do it anytime you want.
Since when I did the training

888
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,480
and I started practicing on
others and getting some practice

889
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,520
done on myself, I just, I loved
it.

890
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,840
I fell into it and I don't want
to go too in depth with this

891
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,400
yet, but I might be starting an
in person practice in my city in

892
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,680
the new year.
I'm working out details on that

893
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:46,080
right now and I can talk about a
lot on what's I've experienced,

894
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,280
not so much on what people like
worked on I've experienced

895
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,360
because there's the
confidentiality thing in there.

896
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,320
Yeah.
But yeah, whenever we decide to

897
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,560
do that, I can go a little bit
deeper on the backgrounds and I

898
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,880
might be able to do an induction
myself or maybe bring on someone

899
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,840
else to do it who wants to
practice.

900
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,000
So we'll, we'll work.
We'll work something out for

901
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,360
sure man.
Yeah, the sound off in the chat

902
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,600
that sounds like something you
guys would like to like to check

903
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,320
out.
I'm I'm down.

904
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,760
That'd be cool.
I don't think I don't think Jake

905
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:20,000
would do it.
Jake would it would be demons.

906
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,560
Well, one one option we could do
is we could set up separate

907
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,960
times because I do a lot of it
over Zoom anyway, and then come

908
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:33,280
on the show and discuss the the
results and the findings with

909
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:34,640
whatever you feel like
discussing.

910
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,240
Kenzar said that she would love
that for herself.

911
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,480
Right on.
Kenzar got to get Kenzar back

912
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,600
on.
When are you going to come back

913
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,840
on?
Yeah, Shanice, come on.

914
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,640
Yeah, Skeeter, the the cards
look awesome.

915
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,240
You got you can't even really
see him on camera that well, but

916
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,680
they look good.
Skeeter also says that he would

917
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,000
like it.
Cool.

918
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,960
Yeah, we'll, we'll hook it up.
Yeah, let's not for.

919
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,840
Action.
Hit me up when you're when

920
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,160
you're ready.
We're going to, we're going to a

921
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,320
newer format where it's getting
mostly interviews and, and and

922
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,080
stuff.
Now I've got a lot of stuff

923
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,120
going on in life.
I'm writing a book.

924
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:17,240
I yeah, I've got.
I wouldn't, I wouldn't

925
00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:21,720
necessarily call it a
commissioning from the town

926
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:26,880
here, Elmwood, where we do,
where we do the UFO Days

927
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:31,840
festival and stuff.
But I'm in works with a lot of a

928
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,560
lot of people there to get a
book out.

929
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:39,760
And I've got, I'm over 100 pages
already done and I've just got a

930
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:45,520
few things to to to do over the
summer that I can't do right now

931
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,200
because it's too cold.
But I got some in person

932
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:52,800
investigations to go do that I
want to include into the book.

933
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,080
You know, I want to include
those experiences in the book.

934
00:52:55,320 --> 00:53:00,320
But yeah, so I'm going to go
heavy on the interviews and

935
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,920
stuff this this year so that I
can get this book out.

936
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,120
I'd like to be able to get it
out before UFO days in July, but

937
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,800
something's telling me that I'm
not going to be able to.

938
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:14,280
And because if, if if I can't
finish the book and I have to

939
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:18,480
settle for doing a Part 2 or,
or, or a sequel book to it, I'm

940
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,040
going to be upset, you know,
like I want to put something out

941
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,240
complete.
I hate, I hate trimming the fat

942
00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:26,600
on on episodes.
It one of my hugest pet peeves.

943
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:31,040
And that's that's another reason
why I cannot wait to get deeper

944
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,240
into this Patreon stuff because
I will not be limited.

945
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,920
You know, I'm doing them solo
documentary episodes where it's

946
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,280
just going to be me.
So if it's just six hours of me

947
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,720
reading off something, Jake and
Jeff can't complain about it

948
00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:46,080
because they're not going to be
there to that.

949
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,480
They'll have to listen to it
because they'll have to be able

950
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,720
to talk about it once a quarter.
But you know, I can make sure

951
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:54,480
that I give you guys every
single piece of information that

952
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,560
I have.
Like like I said this John

953
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,240
Teeter.
Have you heard of John Teeter?

954
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,480
Oh, that's that's the other
thing that I want to talk about

955
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,160
because you were talking about
timelines, right?

956
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,840
Oh, no, that you were, but that
was later on.

957
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,200
But timelines, see, this is
these are the rabbit holes that

958
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:15,480
my mind goes down.
John Teeter, time traveller from

959
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:24,600
the year 2036 came back into,
came back in time the 1975 and

960
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,800
that's all I'm going to stop.
I'm going to stop right there.

961
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:28,600
I'm not going to put anything
else out.

962
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,720
I mean, there's a lot of people
that know the John Teeter story,

963
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:37,040
but he, his story involves what
he calls world lines.

964
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,000
I believe they're sorry, I'm,
I'm doing research on like 3 or

965
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,880
4 different subjects right now
and writing the book.

966
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:46,160
So some of the some of the
defining words are escaping me.

967
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:50,320
But he he delves heavily into
that.

968
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:55,000
So when you were talking about
timelines and I brought up the

969
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,200
the past life regression of the
kids in that book, was that

970
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,320
basically what you were talking
about or were you talking more

971
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,120
or less along the lines of like
parallel worlds and stuff?

972
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:10,640
Well, I'm gonna say a bit about
because experienced some past

973
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:15,920
life regressions and given some
and I've experienced forays into

974
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,120
what are I believe are future
time lapse as well.

975
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:23,760
And this also extends into some
sound back ceremonies I've gone

976
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,840
to within the last year as well.
Basically my thesis for the

977
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,960
whole thing is that time is not
linear.

978
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,840
I have my own little ways of
backing it up from my own

979
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,440
perspective and experiences.
I mean past, present, yeah, I'm

980
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,040
willing.
I'm willing to go anywhere with

981
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:45,200
that.
Yeah, to answer a question for

982
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,560
the chat, Skeeter said didn't he
need a certain computer?

983
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,360
And he's talking about the John
Teeter story.

984
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:55,440
Yes, He needed to obtain an IBM
5100 from the year 1975.

985
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:57,240
That's all.
I'm going to go.

986
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,080
No more Skeeter, no more.
No more.

987
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,120
Yeah, Jeffrey, have you heard of
the John Teeter story?

988
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:10,400
Just from like what you've
mentioned in passing right in

989
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:16,000
other episodes and I think maybe
I've seen some crazy people on

990
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,800
YouTube talk about it before,
but I.

991
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,560
I'm telling you right now with
absolute certainty, you will not

992
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,680
get a better breakdown of that
story than what I'm going to

993
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:24,640
give.
You.

994
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,760
Oh, I believe it.
I believe it 100%.

995
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,280
I know.
Crazy ones on tech talk to these

996
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,200
days and it's just like, come on
man, Like really?

997
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:34,960
Yes, yeah, you're right,
Skeeter.

998
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:36,760
You're right.
I you don't have to shut up,

999
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:38,080
man.
I was just, I was just playing

1000
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,760
with you.
But yeah, I'm excited about a

1001
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,240
lot of things.
So what else you got going on

1002
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:46,520
for you there, Phil?
Anything else?

1003
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:53,880
Last time I came on your show,
we talked about aliens, owls and

1004
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,040
UF OS because we did the screen
memory stuff here.

1005
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:03,440
I can't remember, but did you
say that you had Mike Clemmon on

1006
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,880
your show?
I tried to get Mike on my show

1007
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,160
in that house, Cleveland.
Yeah, it has not happened as of

1008
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,000
yet.
So I finished both of his books

1009
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:17,760
and well, since we've recorded,
Jeremy, if you go onto my

1010
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,160
Instagram.
Yeah, there we go.

1011
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:22,760
Those are both the ones I've
read.

1012
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,160
Yes.
Unexplained ink official on the

1013
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,640
Instagram.
They're very low res because

1014
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,720
they were shot with the phone
I'm speaking to you on right now

1015
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,760
and it needs to be replaced
sooner than later.

1016
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:41,320
But I got what I believe are two
orb sightings in the sky last

1017
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,840
summer.
Yeah, that tied into what you

1018
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,640
and I talked about on that
episode from last May.

1019
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:52,120
And since then, it's just
weather and life has gotten in

1020
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:53,760
the way.
So I haven't been able to go out

1021
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,520
and check anymore.
But that's where that is at

1022
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,480
right now.
And it's interesting.

1023
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:06,440
My December 27th guest, he
started going in this direction

1024
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,880
and so I stopped him and I said
I told him the really, really

1025
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,160
short version of the story I
shared with you Jeremy, and he

1026
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:18,120
kind of backed up a lot of
things I said so and just to

1027
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:22,520
reiterate, I've never seen a
physical owl on this journey.

1028
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:26,360
I was just seeing owl symbols
everywhere you could think of

1029
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:31,560
and would go in relation to a
certain type of recurring

1030
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,560
experience I was having.
And I think it's somehow tied

1031
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,200
into what I believe were those
warp sightings from last summer.

1032
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,880
That's all I have right now.
I think that's a story to be

1033
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,480
continued later on.
And Jeremy, I always appreciate

1034
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,320
you holding space for my
ramblings on that particular

1035
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,240
episode as well.
Yeah, man.

1036
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,840
No, it was, it was good stuff.
It's honestly.

1037
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,000
Oh, I did I ever show you my
tattoo.

1038
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,880
I thought on so excuse me on
social media.

1039
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,400
I didn't see it personally, but
yeah.

1040
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,640
Look at that thing, I know it's
upside down, but look the owl

1041
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:08,080
like, I mean like, I love that
subject so much, man, that I I

1042
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:12,560
had to I had to get that I I
funny story about it.

1043
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:17,280
I like just just doing the
research for that episode.

1044
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:23,560
I was just messing around with
AI right, trying to get cool

1045
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,720
pictures of owls because I was I
was trying to to create the the

1046
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:33,240
cover for the for the thumbnail
for the for the episode, which I

1047
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,280
ended up come.
I ended up creating a pretty bad

1048
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:36,920
ass thumbnail.
It's like one of the only

1049
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:38,680
thumbnails I've I haven't thrown
away yet.

1050
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,160
I send them all, all the rest of
them to the trash, but that one

1051
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:42,760
is is super cool.
I love it.

1052
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,680
And this owl right here, the one
that I made the eyes out of

1053
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,720
popped up and I mean it had some
funky things behind it and stuff

1054
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,720
that I had to, you know, try to
get rid of.

1055
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:56,920
I'm not the, the most tech
sanity guy and I, I was like,

1056
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,280
those wings look like the eyes
of a grey alien.

1057
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:06,000
And so, you know, I, I scoured
Google just trying to find the

1058
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,640
outline of grey alien head, just
just the, the shape right now.

1059
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,880
And I end up having to settle
for one with eyes.

1060
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,880
I got rid of the eyes and, and
put it around it and I was like,

1061
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:23,320
hmm, that looks fucking sweet.
So so I did it right and I went

1062
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,560
to go see my guy over at the the
tattoo shop.

1063
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,880
His name's, his name's Alex.
If if anybody's local Skeeter, I

1064
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,360
know you're, you're local.
It's out in Eau Claire.

1065
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:37,440
The name of the shop, I'll get,
I'll bring that up here in a

1066
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:38,800
second.
But his name is Alex.

1067
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,720
And, and he's freaking awesome,
dude.

1068
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,640
He looked at it.
He's like, yeah, dude, I can, I

1069
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,480
can make that fucking sick.
And I was like, cool, I'm

1070
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,680
actually going to go see him on
the on the 27th of this month to

1071
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,480
get some more stuff added to the
arm.

1072
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,800
And Oh, yeah, it is skin prints.
Yeah, Skeeter found it.

1073
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,160
Wollens needs to go to sleep.
Yeah, go take care of Jake.

1074
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:02,680
Yeah.
Oh, Jake's Jake has already 90

1075
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:07,480
nights, by the way, guys.
But his his wife, Whitney

1076
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,560
Wollens, said goodnight to
everybody.

1077
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:15,440
Night sleep tight, don't let the
bed bugs bite.

1078
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,240
Yeah.
And, you know, we were just kind

1079
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,280
of messing around with it and I
was, I'm looking at it on the

1080
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,400
picture that he drew and I'm
like, he do a flying saucer.

1081
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,440
He's like, yeah, sure.
So he did it.

1082
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,280
And I was like, Yep, that's what
we're going to do right there.

1083
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,920
And like I've been I've been
kind of messing around with the

1084
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:40,000
the idea of getting like,
because you know, the lore

1085
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:44,560
behind the my one.
I say it's lore, but it's more I

1086
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,840
don't I don't know how to
explain it, but it's common for

1087
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,280
great aliens to be seen in
groups of three, right.

1088
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,320
So I want to get another.
I want to get grey alien,

1089
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:58,520
another grey alien head smaller,
maybe, like, you know, force

1090
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:01,440
into the background a little bit
on this on this guy, but one on

1091
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:05,240
each side of this of this head,
but would like to normalize.

1092
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,680
But then I've also I was also
thinking about maybe doing, you

1093
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,960
know, like two men in black on
each side and kind of because

1094
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,400
they also come in groups of two
or three and tie that.

1095
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,760
And they've also been around a
lot with, with aliens.

1096
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,760
So I'm, I'm kind of in between
things right now of how I'm

1097
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:25,000
going to actually get it done.
But yeah, yeah.

1098
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:29,960
I might I might be wrong here,
but isn't the number 33 coming

1099
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,240
common with some of these
abductions as well?

1100
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,640
If either 13 or 33 comes up a
lot I think.

1101
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:42,520
I I don't, I don't know that.
I'm sure if Jeff did research

1102
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:46,080
into great alien encounters and
stuff, he'd probably catch on to

1103
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,800
that a lot quicker than I would,
because he likes the word play

1104
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,800
and number play to things.
What's that?

1105
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:52,720
What was the specific question,
Phil?

1106
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,320
I'm gonna spit balling off the
top of my head here, but I

1107
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:57,880
thought it was some of these
abduction cases and screen

1108
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,560
memories.
I thought the number either 33,

1109
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:05,840
13 or some denomination of three
came up with a lot of people's

1110
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,760
cases, but I can't remember from
the top of my head.

1111
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:10,000
Right.
Wouldn't surprise me.

1112
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:14,360
I mean, I know those numbers are
definitely used in a lot of of

1113
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:18,320
the like symbology and encoding,
if you will.

1114
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,640
I guess.
You know, there's a lot of

1115
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:22,760
reasons for that.
You know, you could break

1116
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,960
everything down to like a
certain set of numbers, right?

1117
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,440
I'm no mathematician, but you
could essentially break every

1118
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,720
equation of everything down to
like a handful of of numbers and

1119
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,840
Fibonacci blah, blah, blah,
right?

1120
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:41,280
So, but it is interesting that
that's the case, right?

1121
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,920
Is it like a holographic or a
simulated universe of some kind?

1122
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:49,720
That's what I always think.
Definitely, definitely some sort

1123
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,680
of architect or God, who knows,
but.

1124
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,040
Well, three's three's
interesting because especially

1125
01:03:56,040 --> 01:04:00,880
if you look into the, the mythos
behind like prime numbers,

1126
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:05,480
right?
I I'm not sure about 33, but

1127
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:11,600
three is definitely a very.
Well, 33 is always spooky

1128
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:15,520
because that's like the highest
degree of Freemasonry, 33��

1129
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,720
Freemasonry, right?
And it's apparently, well,

1130
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,600
obviously not so much anymore,
but it's like the secret degree,

1131
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,240
right?
Everybody who's a 32nd degree

1132
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:25,320
doesn't even know about the 33rd
degree or some shit, whatever

1133
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:29,920
the case is.
But you know, I think that's

1134
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:34,040
just these secret societies.
And like the knowledge that is

1135
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,560
being passed through these
secret societies is just being

1136
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,720
encoded in these in these weird
ways, right?

1137
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,720
Where it's like we'll have 33
levels and what is the 33?

1138
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,200
I don't know, maybe it's the
amount of vertebrae in the human

1139
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:48,560
spine or some shit like that.
But you know who knows?

1140
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,720
Jesus died at the age of 33.
It goes on and.

1141
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,240
On right, right, right.
Yeah, definitely some some crazy

1142
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:56,120
shit, man.
Shit.

1143
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,720
I yeah, you have something
specific because I got something

1144
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,600
if you don't.
No, no, go for it.

1145
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:07,360
Absolutely.
You went to the UFO Fest this

1146
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:12,160
past summer, and I'll announce
this too because it kind of, I

1147
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:16,000
had a really neat story come out
of it as I went to my first like

1148
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,920
podcast convention this past
summer in Denver, Co.

1149
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:24,920
And quick back story on that is
my brother has hosted a

1150
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:31,080
successful true crime podcast
since 2016 and he's part of the

1151
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,600
reason that inspired me to start
my show when I did.

1152
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:38,600
And he's been on, I like to mash
true crime in the unexplained on

1153
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,680
the show sometimes.
And he's come on as a really

1154
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,640
good guest with some interviews
in some cases where the two have

1155
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,800
blended together.
So my listeners know him pretty

1156
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:52,640
good.
So what they did, he's been

1157
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:55,480
going to the same travelling
festival for a few years now.

1158
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,360
And this year it landed in
Denver.

1159
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,760
And I'm like, oh, I know some
people down there I'd like to go

1160
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,120
visit.
But they expanded it to the True

1161
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:05,120
Crime and Paranormal Podcast
festival for the first time.

1162
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:06,600
And I'm like, well, that's my
end.

1163
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:10,480
I just think I need to go.
So I go down there and talk to

1164
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,720
some cool people, set up a booth
and all that.

1165
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:16,600
But what's interesting is my
brother befriended this guy from

1166
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:23,920
western Oklahoma named Rick and
Rick without being like in full

1167
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:27,480
cowboy get up to me as about as
country as you could get, but

1168
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:31,560
like a really good down to earth
dude overall.

1169
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:36,840
And he was like our chauffeur
for our time in Colorado.

1170
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,760
And he took us up to the Stanley
Hotel and did some other cool

1171
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:44,200
stuff.
But we were talking at some

1172
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:47,920
point over the weekend and he
just casually says to me, he's

1173
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,920
like, yeah, yeah.
He's like, I work for like an

1174
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:53,880
oil and petroleum company.
And last year we delivered to

1175
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:56,480
Skinwalker Ranch.
And I'm like, oh shit.

1176
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:03,560
Like, pardon me.
So my August 2nd episode of this

1177
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:08,800
year, I made a plan to record
some interviews and then just

1178
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,320
make a big mash up episode for
that show.

1179
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,880
And that's what it.
And as soon as Rick told me

1180
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:17,000
that, I'm like, dude, you want
to grab a beer and like record.

1181
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,440
Because I mean, even if you
don't have much of a story, I

1182
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,960
got to hear this because this is
like totally wild.

1183
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:28,160
And like I said it, there's
nothing completely insane about

1184
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,120
the story.
And the delivery was done in

1185
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,640
daylight hours.
It wasn't, you know, like they

1186
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:36,640
camped out there or anything.
But he tells me in this

1187
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,960
interview about some of the the
surveillance tech he saw and

1188
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,920
just a lot of really unusual
structural things about the

1189
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,280
property.
And yeah, it was just a really

1190
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,320
interesting experience I ran
into.

1191
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,600
And I'm like, what are the odds?
I was going to run into a guy

1192
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,440
who was just like, Oh yeah, I
went to Skinwalker once on the

1193
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,640
delivery.
That's freaking nuts.

1194
01:07:58,480 --> 01:07:59,760
Yeah, I would.
I would.

1195
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:04,600
I'd be a static, Yeah.
That's sorry, my it's one.

1196
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:09,840
Yeah, my episode from 2nd, you
can find it on my website and

1197
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,080
all the players, it's up there
if you want to hear a little bit

1198
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,280
more about that.
And the last thing I'll speak

1199
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:18,880
about this is next year the
conference organizers are

1200
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:23,800
separating the true crime and
the paranormal festivals.

1201
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:28,760
So the true crime ones going to
Boston in July and late

1202
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:32,040
September.
The paranormal one, which I

1203
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:34,720
believe is called Beyond the
Veil, is going to New Orleans.

1204
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:38,640
So I may or may not be appearing
in New Orleans at the end of

1205
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:42,520
September next year.
We'll just have to wait and see.

1206
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,640
But very exciting things ahead
on the Convention.

1207
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:46,920
Nice.
Hell yeah, man.

1208
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:49,279
Hell yeah.
All right.

1209
01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:52,359
What's up, Jeffrey?
Oh, you.

1210
01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:53,840
Want to know what we're talking
about next week?

1211
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:56,439
Yeah.
So I was going to have you talk

1212
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,520
about that when we're when we're
when we're walking out of here.

1213
01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:02,200
OK, OK.
But I think we're gonna have to,

1214
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:03,960
we're gonna have to close up
shop here soon.

1215
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:05,880
Phil, do you have anything else
that you want to put out?

1216
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:07,800
No, I think that's just about
it.

1217
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,080
What's the reason we're wanting
to do with the chat though?

1218
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,760
Before we wrapped up?
Or is that too late?

1219
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,680
Yeah, we're, we're already an
hour and a half in the

1220
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:18,560
recording, man.
We'll, we'll save it for next

1221
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,000
time because I, I think it's
going to be a regular thing that

1222
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,960
we kind of do.
It has to deal with human

1223
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:28,240
consciousness and and.
It'll spur an hour and a half

1224
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,760
conversation by itself,
probably, honestly.

1225
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:32,800
It will, it will, it will, I
promise.

1226
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:37,240
And plus plus it would actually
be a really interesting a

1227
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:40,720
conversation to have with a past
life regression exercise.

1228
01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:44,359
Like for real.
Skeeter says get Phil for UFO

1229
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:46,960
days doing a talk about his past
and future lives.

1230
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:53,200
So spoiler alert M supposedly I
am.

1231
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,280
Amy broke this to me just a
little while ago that I am the

1232
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:02,960
one that's in charge of setting
up the the speakers for UFO Days

1233
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,400
this year.
Yes, I am becoming much more

1234
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,040
involved in the festival this
year.

1235
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:11,440
So if Phil does find his way
down here, then yes, Phil, Phil

1236
01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:14,560
will have a spot to do whatever
Phil's got to do.

1237
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,680
Do you have, do you have hard
dates for that, Jeremy?

1238
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,760
It's always the last full
weekend in July, hey?

1239
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,920
I will get that some serious
thought that sounds interesting.

1240
01:10:24,440 --> 01:10:28,120
Hey, man, and if you need a
place to to crash between Jake

1241
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:31,480
and I, we've we've got we've got
plenty of plenty of room.

1242
01:10:31,480 --> 01:10:35,040
I think kid said she's coming,
Jeff.

1243
01:10:36,440 --> 01:10:38,920
Hopefully Jeff brings Crystal
this time doesn't leave her at

1244
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:40,600
home.
That was terrible of him.

1245
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:42,800
So we'll see.
She says she's coming this time.

1246
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:46,880
Yeah, good.
You got to hold his hand while

1247
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,440
he flies so he doesn't have some
weird lady trying to read his

1248
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:51,360
palm.
She might have to because I hate

1249
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:54,280
flying.
As long as he holds.

1250
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:55,640
Mine because I don't like
flying.

1251
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:59,520
Either that'll be so cute, cute,
cute, Jeffrey cute.

1252
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,160
I know, but.
Yeah, Phil, we can talk.

1253
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,960
We can talk about that, man.
You just, if you could make it,

1254
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:06,920
let me know because I got to I
got to try to fill a roster

1255
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:07,840
anyways.
Cool.

1256
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:10,400
So let everybody know where they
could find you.

1257
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:15,080
Give everybody the the.
Yeah, absolutely.

1258
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:20,720
So you can find me Unexplained
ink.com links to all past audio

1259
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:24,720
episodes, a few other like Knick
knacks, like blogs and stuff,

1260
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:29,240
and also all the links to all my
socials are up there.

1261
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:33,560
Instagram, my most active
Unexplained Ink official video

1262
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,240
episodes.
You can watch them on Rumble.

1263
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,640
Look up Unexplained Ink and give
it a follow.

1264
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:45,360
I'm going to be adding more
episodes onto the video platform

1265
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,680
like with a graphic and
throughout the holidays.

1266
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,680
So if that's how you like to
consume your shows, stay tuned

1267
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:52,880
for that.
And lastly, tying in with what I

1268
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:57,000
said about the hypnotherapy, I
do have a website I haven't had

1269
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:02,400
a lot of traffic yet called
Light thewaybackhome.com and you

1270
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:06,720
can make bookings on there for
distance hypnotherapy work or

1271
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:10,360
distance Reiki as well.
Lightthewaybackhome.com.

1272
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,680
Yes, all one word.
I'm checking it out right now.

1273
01:12:14,440 --> 01:12:16,400
It's only.
A life of personal empowerment?

1274
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,120
Yeah.
It's only like 3 or 4 months

1275
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:19,880
old.
Phil, I got to get you on the

1276
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,640
Shadow Band podcast soon, man.
We got to do a thing.

1277
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:25,400
Whenever you got some time, let
me know.

1278
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,200
Yeah, I will let you know.
Sure, man, absolutely.

1279
01:12:28,440 --> 01:12:32,760
Danny good long time listening
fan of ours.

1280
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:34,960
Danny I said thanks for another
awesome episode.

1281
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:36,800
I always enjoyable and love the
chats.

1282
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:40,160
Have a great evening.
So Danny's taking off Danny have

1283
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,640
a good night, man.
Thanks for for showing your

1284
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:44,280
support.
He's he's awesome.

1285
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:49,120
We we have some of the absolute
best, best people that listen to

1286
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,880
the show, man.
They're they're just I, I have I

1287
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,680
have a problem calling them fans
because they're they're more

1288
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,680
friends than anything.
It's, it's a, you know, like

1289
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:00,040
I've, I've gotten some really
good relationships with some of

1290
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,760
these people.
Like I've got we, we have a

1291
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:07,800
private chat with Skeeter, who,
you know, we, we talk to all the

1292
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,280
time kids in it too, which is
awesome.

1293
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:14,440
Freaking love that, that stuff.
And then of course, kid, yeah,

1294
01:13:14,440 --> 01:13:17,960
she's pretty cool too, you know,
Well, kid, love it.

1295
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:21,160
Cool.
Do you have anything else that

1296
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:22,920
you want to put out real?
Quick no.

1297
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:27,480
I just want to say that I have
plenty more to discuss on top of

1298
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:32,040
what we got into tonight.
Some of it I can't get into for

1299
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,600
the time being because, you
know, some of it's quite

1300
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:39,760
personal and some of it I needed
to unravel and unfold because

1301
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,480
I've been shown in my own little
way.

1302
01:13:41,480 --> 01:13:45,160
The next two years are going to
get pretty insane in ways we

1303
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,400
didn't even think of.
So I'll just leave it at that.

1304
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,480
OK, Huh.
Interesting.

1305
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,880
I'm curious, staying curious,
Phil of.

1306
01:13:56,320 --> 01:14:01,320
Course.
Jeffrey, why don't you go ahead

1307
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:04,440
and talk about what next week's
episode is about?

1308
01:14:05,440 --> 01:14:09,320
Next week we are talking to
somebody I found on Instagram a

1309
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,560
couple years ago.
I've had him on my show before.

1310
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,840
His Instagram page is Mud Flood
Memes.

1311
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,440
He's got a pretty big following
on the Internet.

1312
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,360
I don't know all his channels
off the top of my head, but he's

1313
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:23,120
going to come on next week.
And last time we talked, it was

1314
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:29,280
like lost history, Mud, flood,
Totaria, you know, all that good

1315
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,280
stuff.
Maybe it's not year 2024, maybe

1316
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,880
it's more like the year 1024.
I don't know.

1317
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,040
He said he had some new
information that he's been

1318
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:39,600
studying up on, so we'll see
what that's about.

1319
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:40,840
But.
Good stuff.

1320
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:45,480
That's pretty much it and you
can find me on all my shit Shout

1321
01:14:45,480 --> 01:14:47,840
a band podcast you already know.
That's right.

1322
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,240
That's right.
All right.

1323
01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:52,440
Well, that has been another
episode of the Infant Rabbit

1324
01:14:52,440 --> 01:14:54,480
Hole podcast.
Phil, hang tight for just a few

1325
01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:56,440
more minutes.
Jeff De Jackson.

1326
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:00,200
I was going to say, if I don't
know how you feel about trying

1327
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,240
to shoot off another raid, I
have another one of my friends

1328
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:03,560
that are streaming on twitch
right now.

1329
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:05,680
So whenever you're done.
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1330
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:07,520
Do I have to do that?
How do I do that?

1331
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:12,360
Yes, you'd have to type the raid
command and then his username

1332
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,880
into the chat on twitch and it
will send all of the viewers.

1333
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:19,360
All four of them.
Yeah, all four of them.

1334
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:24,720
What's What's the RAID command?
I think it's just slash raid.

1335
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,640
Forward slash raid.
Forward slash raid.

1336
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:29,280
And what's his?
Name don't hit enter because as

1337
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,080
soon as you hit enter it sends.
That's fine.

1338
01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:33,960
What is it?
Skipatronic.

1339
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:39,240
SKIPATRONIC all.
Right.

1340
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:42,600
Well, there's been there's been
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1341
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:46,760
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1342
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,880
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1343
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:55,680
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1345
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,480
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1346
01:16:01,480 --> 01:16:05,600
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1347
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:07,560
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1348
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:10,400
For links to all of them, go to
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1349
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:14,520
And until next time travelers,
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1350
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,520
the next fork in the bath of the
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1351
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:18,800
Bye everybody.
Bye.

1352
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,240
Gotta say bye.
This says unrecognized command

1353
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:23,720
didn't work.
You hate to see it.

1354
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:28,240
RAID forward slash no space
right?

1355
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:30,920
I think it's forward slash raid.
Oh, that's what I did.

1356
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,360
Forward slash forward slash raid
Skipatronic.

1357
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,080
Skipatronic.
Yeah, it's not working, man,

1358
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:41,960
says unrecognized.
I tried my best, dude.

1359
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,160
I did.
It's all good, brother.

1360
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,440
Hey everybody, thanks for
checking out the Infinite Rabbit

1361
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:53,520
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If you're looking for more of

1362
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:56,680
our stuff, head on over to
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1363
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,360
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1364
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,920
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1365
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:04,800
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1366
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,800
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1367
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:10,880
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1368
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:14,800
And until next time, travelers,
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1369
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,280
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1370
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:18,280
Goodbye.