185. UFOs & Ghost Encounters w/ Skeeter

0:02 Imagine that this line represents a time in the present 1985 Future Past prior to this point in time. Somewhere in the. Past the timeline skewed into this tangent, creating an alternate 1985 alternate to You need an Einstein from reality for everyone else. Welcome back to the Infinite Rabbit Hole podcast. I'm your host, Jeremy, and tonight we got a special guest in the house, but I'm going to introduce him last.

0:44 First, we're going to go to Jeff today. Jeff with the big Bigfoot hat. What's up to you? Oh, what's up, What's up, what's up? Hey, you got to put the microphone in your face. It's in my face, man. How you doing? Good. What you drinking tonight man? Water. What? Good old water out of a plastic cup. We got water. Yeah. Well, that sucks. I'm sorry. It's what it's OK because I also have a tray of cookie dough here. I'll see, yeah. I'm just eating. I guess cookie dough doesn't really go well with liquor. You cookie dough. Living life man, Just remember living. In USA. Moving on, Yakub, what's up dude? You used my my original name?

1:31 Yes. Gosh I had a long day. But dude, the chickens are laying eggs now. Yeah, we're going to have. Dope. So we're going. To have scrambled eggs, fried eggs, almost 5 of. Them today. Boiled eggs. A couple chickens so far, but yeah, and they freaked out and we took them. The the hens that laid them were just like in the middle of the the run, just howling. Just they're so mad and it's just like they're not fertilized. We're taking these from you. They they took. New babies, yeah. See, what you do is you you pick the eggs up and then you throw them and there's a chance that a chick will hatch when it. Oh yeah, like Minecraft? Yeah. Based off of pure science, by the way. Definitely science, yeah.

2:15 So that's pretty cool. And me and Whitney went and saw the New Beetlejuice movie and you know what? It was OK. I told Whitney I was like, it wasn't a waste of time, but I'd be OK with never seeing it again. I heard it was a direct sequel. Yeah, yeah. And it was yeah. They tried a little bit too hard I think. But I guess guess what I never saw. The first one. That's right. Yeah, that's. Right. Wow. And everyone knows. Sometimes some people refer to me as garbage, some people don't. Oh, and I took, I took Jeremy's kids while he was at work. I, I snatched them up and I took them down and we explored a Creek behind the house.

2:56 So that was cool. Yeah, yeah, they need that. Happy to have a father figure. Appreciate that you're. Welcome. You should probably phrase that differently next time you tell that story. So I took them without permission and like. I snatched them up and took them down to the river I. Stole them and took them down to the river in a van with no windows. That's messed up, man. Well, while he was there, Jacob got me a gift. Did you see this? See this? Look at it. It is. It is the Yeti Lager and Bigfoot brewhouse. It's a little Halloween decoration. Check that thing out. Nice. Yeah, it's got a little Yeti and a werewolf and and like a mermaid or siren. I don't know what it is.

3:40 Which one of the two? Pretty sweet. Thanks, Jake. You're welcome, dude. I'm at work and I get a text. It's like, hey, I I left something on Jake's desk or on Jeremy's desk and I was like, shit, he took crap on my desk. Nope. I'm you never know. I'm happy to learn that it was not a pile of shit sitting on my desk. It's actually a nice piece of art. I appreciate that. Yeah. Gotcha. All right, moving on to why everybody's here today. We have a guest in the house. We actually got to meet this guest face to face at UFO Days in Elmwood this year. The one the only, the great Skeeter. What's up, man?

4:21 Howdy, howdy everybody. So Skeeter, I've had questions for a long time. Yeah, and I was saving it for right now. How do you deal with this podcast? I actually when I first started listening to you guys a few years back, I was like, OK, I digged it. I it was when you guys would always bicker over and you kind of shoot off topic a couple times. But I like that because it's more you don't feel it's scripted too much. You know, it's loose play, you know, talking. And that's what got me hooked on you guys because you guys are always like, like you said, like you say, a lot of times you don't have that echo chamber. And I really dug that mostly about your show was there was nobody 100% agreed with the other person. Good.

5:12 How'd you find us? I was going through on Spotify and I was just searching stuff and I was listening to another show that was almost the same title. And I just like, oh, infinite, there we go. And I was looking for the infinite UFO rabbit hole. And I was like, oh, and I like, oh, this isn't what I was listening before. And I'm like, oh, wait a minute, I'll check them out. I got some good topics. I'm like, all right, this is pretty awesome. And then I was listening to what's her name?

5:52 Ashers. No, not Ashers. It was a different show. Ash. I haven't listened to her podcast in a while. She lives in Vegas. Who are you talking? Was IA guest? Yeah, you're a guest on it. Was it the? Re Paranormal show here, hold on, I'll just sorry, but I heard you pop on there. I'm like, oh, maybe I should really go back and the catalog and listen to the older episodes. And that's when, yeah, I was like, OK, I really got hooked on the show from the earlier ones. And though I started halfway through, but yeah, that's where I got to really like you guys when I accidentally stumbled on you.

6:36 And then I heard how your story happened. And I was like, oh, wow, that's really cool that he's actually going through. Oh, it was into into the Frey radio. Oh. Oh, Shannon Lagro. Yeah, Shannon Lagro. Yeah. So that's where I heard your story and I was like, oh, I'm going to go back to the beginning and listen to every episode. So that's why I started deep diving into the show. And yeah, I just fell in love with the guys just from the beginning or else. Shit. Shit starting over. They do a lot of stuff. She was recently working with a good friend of ours, Jason Hewlett, on his cursed Waters to Ogo Bogo story. Yep, through that small town monsters branding that they do.

7:22 So she's she's been quite busy, but she's supposed to supposed to come on the show at some point, but we'll, we'll see. She's, she's, she's a very, very busy person and she likes to answer her emails like four months after you sent them. Sounds about right. But no, she's great. Shannon Legros is awesome. Well, I'm happy to have you with us, man. Oh, happy to be on. It was nice meeting you at UFO Days. Mm hmm. And the the reason why we have you on today is because you have some stories to. Tell us yes, I do. Story Skater. What's that? You have stories. You come at us with personalized.

8:04 Playing. Cards that have our own things on it. And then you're going to come at us with stories, too. I'd say experiences more than stories cause stories Sounds like you make it up, but I had quite a few experiences. Well, Jake, Jeff, do you guys have any questions or any comments before we get going? No man, just thanks again for the card that you brought to us at UFO Days. That was cool. Thanks for the shout out on the previous episode. Yeah. Man, I have one more thing to read off. I'm going to I'm going to do this for now on whenever we get a review, whether it's positive or negative, What? What are you?

8:45 Just reacting to your now. Was that too much? No, it was it was just perfect. Thank you. OK. I feel very important now. Well, we got a we got a five star review the other day. It's been a long time since we got a review. This comes from Haley. So I want to say thank you to Haley. Her review reads. If you're a fan of all things strange, mysterious and out of this world, this podcast is a must is a must listen. From UFOs and hollow earth theories to Bigfoot sightings and ancient Mythologies dives deep into the weirdest corners of science fiction and beyond. The hosts have a knack for making even the wildest theory sound plausible, blending humor and thought provoking discussions.

9:28 Whether you're a seasoned conspiracy theorist or just dipping your toes into the unknown, this show is an entertaining and mind bending journey. Buckle up because this ride gets wild. Well, thank you very much. I really do appreciate that. Haley, that was that's awesome. And again, like Jeff said last time, if you're in the chat, do not click on any links in the chat. They are not posted by us. So we have a couple people or somebody jumped in the chat. Posted. Some scammers in there. Listen, what we need to do just make, we'll make somebody, one of my people, the moderator for next time so we can just kick people out and delete chats like that.

10:09 OK, well, I don't know if we ever actually announced it on on the show yet, but we've been going live on Sundays, so there's that. Yeah. Hey, hey, that's Haley right there, by the way, that Get Woke 444. That is Haley. That that is the that is the person who left that that amazing review. So thank you, Haley. I see you're here. I appreciate that. All right. You guys ready to roll? Ready to roll? Skeeter, what do we have the pleasure of hearing first Man? Let's say UFOs there. There's been a lot of sightings between myself and my wife even.

10:50 We've had a lot of crazy experiences in the past. Yeah. So, But yeah, ever since I was a kid, I've always looked up at the sky. I always had that curiosity. Is space real? Is there an end? There has to be an end. All the fun conspiracy theories or even thought provoking ideas of space. I went through my whole life still undecided, but always staring at the sky. Then all of a sudden I started, jeez. I remember when it was around 10, I was just sitting in our yard. Actually, this is the house I grew up in. I bought it for my parents.

11:35 But out this window there's a roof. And I just lay on that at night and stare at the sky. Well, one night I'm staring and I'm like watching satellites fly by because I knew what they looked like. And all of a sudden I see one flying. It's a little brighter than normal and I'm just watching away relax like oh that's cool. It's must be really low. And the next thing you know it just stops. And I'm like, well, OK, I waited a few seconds. It still stood there or just floating in the sky and next thing you know it's just slowly getting bigger. And I'm like, well, is it getting brighter or is it getting closer? Which I still to the state could not figure out. And next thing I know it just poof, gone, just vanished. So that that was probably the one of the earliest ones I could remember.

12:28 So before you, before we continue, I think it's important to talk a little bit about location, right? So you're from Wisconsin, you're from, you're local to us. How far are you away from Elmwood? From Elmwood it was just what, an hour and 15 minute drive? So to get to Menominee is or no, It was an hour and a half to Elmwood and an hour and 15 to get to Menominee. No, OK, so you're not far away at all. No, you're well within the range of all the weird shit that happens in Elmwood to to spread over to you, right? Yep. Because I've, I've recently come across some, some pretty cool stories from Menominee.

13:09 Probably not enough to do a whole episode on, but, you know, at some point maybe we can scrap together or something. But yeah, man, so it was. It was pretty far up there though, you said, right? Yeah, it was quite a ways up and then it just kept getting bigger. I'd say the about the size of a, you know, water bottle cap that was about as big as the ball of light got and then gone. So about about the size of the moon if you're standing on the ground, a little smaller, a little smaller than that. Yeah, but like I said, it just kept getting brighter or bigger, I wasn't sure. So who knows? So it's getting brighter and bigger. Was it a light or do you believe it was a solid object?

13:50 It was a solid whitish blue light and it just like I said, I thought I was a satellite going by at first and then it just stopped and just blew me away. That just froze. And it just like, well, that doesn't do, you know, satellites don't do that. They don't just stop. So after that, yeah, I started researching and UFOs and kind of got picked down in school because I was the guy in the library checking out all the UFO books and but it didn't bother me so. It's alright. When I when I first told my my Bigfoot story to one of my really good friends. After I watched in Search of and found out that there was such an animal as Bigfoot, I made the connection as to what I saw in Vermont when I was a kid.

14:40 I tried to tried to say the word Sasquatch right and I didn't quite remember what it was. And it came out something like Sammy Squanch or something, something stupid. And then he was just like, what are you talking about, dude? Like shut up. So I, I myself also went into hiding and and was that weird kid. No worries, man, you're with family. I'm. I'm still a weirdo. I don't care, that's who I am. Jake, Jeff, you guys got any questions about that one? Sorry, it was hard to hit the unmute button, so this light was tiny. It was a tiny light, yeah. Started off like when you normally would see a satellite in the sky, just a little knot in the sky. Jake, you're right. This thing tastes like shit. That's horrible.

15:24 Are you Skeeter? Are you by an airport by chance? The closest airport back then it's moved since then was about two mile 2 1/2 miles away from here. Now the airport is about 6 miles 7 miles away from me. Is there? Are you in the traffic pattern for takeoffs or landings? The only traffic pattern that I'm in is for the helicopter, for the hospital. OK, So they're plane traffic. If it is, it's super high. And, you know, growing up just watching this guy all the time, I learned what planes were. And I had a cousin that was married to a pilot and he always told us, you know, how to tell a plane at night. So it's like, all right.

16:12 So yeah, that's the only thing I was, I was curious about because I was like, if you're in the traffic pattern for landings like the on the other side of the runway, then seeing that bright nose light that they have from way out here and then getting closer and closer and closer would make sense. You know, it's not uncommon for people to mistake helicopters or planes for UFOs. Yeah, sure. They did it in Elmwood. Yeah, they did it in Elmwood a bunch. Sometimes. Yeah, I was just like, just, you know, I'm, I'm the was it? Well, my little tile says expert skeptic. So I'm like, you know, always trying to find out. OK, well, what could this be rationally?

16:52 But even myself, I've seen things that, you know, I couldn't explain in a rational sense without getting into, you know, the paranormal or, you know, whatever. Jake has a wild video from when he was in the service. I saw that. Oh, you did. You showed me that. That's freaking awesome. That was awesome. Yeah, yeah. So he's. Something that cool though. He's definitely seen some weird shit. You saw something while you're on the West Coast too, didn't you? Yeah, yeah, I saw a a shiny. I'm not going to say it was a disc because I couldn't really tell you, but it was very reflective. But it was hovering above the mountaintop where all of the all the radar antennas, all the radar antennas were for the base, so. You're talking about the one right next to the gate there where you get on the Pacific Coast Highway. Yeah.

17:47 So because the the whole base is kind of sitting inside of a bowl, so they put the radar antennas on top of that really tall mountain back there so that it can, you know, fan out to all the planes and all the helos and everything circling around. But it was there for a good, you know, I'm driving so I can't really whip out my phone and and take a picture and I'm also turning. But yeah, it was sitting up there just still and really reflective. And I was like, I don't know what that's at, what that is, you know? Clearly swamp gas. What's that? Oh yeah, swap swamp gas from Venus. But yeah, so I mean, but even still, for myself, if I see something weird, you know, I try to look at it in a logical sense of like, you know, what could this have been? Other than, you know, a UFO?

18:41 It's like, obviously it's unidentified. I don't know what it is, but what could it be, right. Type stuff. So I don't know, just curious. I I came across a really, really cool topic while doing research for another topic today. The Captain Thomas meant Mentel UFO case just as a brief synopsis, right? It was he, he was a military pilot and he was chasing he believed to be a UFO and he was the very first casualty of such an act in in the United States military history that that's on record at least. But the official, the official statement from from the military is that he was chasing Venus.

19:30 He wasn't chasing a UFO, he was chasing the planet Venus. So we're going to dive into that one here soon. I. Know that I know that story. Yeah, that's. It's pretty nuts, man. I. Kept climbing and climbing and yeah. The the things that they'll, they'll tell you, you know, to it's just absolutely. A trained pilot. This is like a Who was this? This was captain, I don't know. I think it was Air Force. So I think a captain in the Air Force. Jake was at O3O2. I don't know, something like. That they got weird ranks. I don't know about the Air Force. Yeah, it's, I think it's a lower ranked officer, obviously within active pilot.

20:10 You know, they're they're still working on their their qualifications and everything at that, that rank. And yeah, he was, he was basically, I wouldn't say dog fighting because there were there were no ammunitions involved, but he was definitely chasing what he believed to be a, a flying saucer or some sort of UFOI don't know yet. I haven't. Yes, it is an O3 in both the Army, Marines and the Air Force and the Space Force. It is an it is an O5 in the, in the United States Navy, just so you know, Jake, in case you didn't know. All right, Skeeter, back to you, man. So what? How how many UFOs have you seen?

20:54 I quit counting after 100 because up here in the Northwoods, as you guys are now experiencing, there's spots you could go out in the country. No light pollution and a beautiful sky views. And up here in my area, in the Barron County area, it's a lot of space. Where I'm at in Race Lake, Yeah, it's the brightest area. And then Eau Claire's an hour away. You guys are an hour and a quarter. Yeah. It's very dark once you get past the big cities. So growing up, that's, you know, late nights, that's all I did stare at the sky.

21:37 You guys said a story about Elmwood and I was like, it just clicked a memory right back in my head that my wife and I experienced several times. I mean, for I'd say four or five years we watched this orange light that had a black center to it. But it always pulse. It always gets small, then big, then small and big. And when we lived outside of town, we're always driving the same Rd. It wasn't every night, but maybe 2 * a week we'd see it. And we always said one of these nights we're going to chase that down and figure out what that is. And every time we're just like, Oh yeah, we got a full tank of gas, let's go.

22:23 So it'd start driving after it gone, but we could sit on the side of the road and watch it for 1/2 hour before it totally vanished. Really. Yeah, if it like knew as soon as we're going to chase it down, gone. Just never saw it again. And then we moved from the country into town and we haven't seen it for years. And then last week it happened. Well, now it'd be two weeks ago, and I shot you guys a message saying I saw it, that orange leg again and I was going to get over, puller aside the road, take a picture. Trees gotten away. So I pulled up a little further and gone. I just watched it zip right out of existence again. That's wild. But Elmwood had the same story, and I didn't know that story until you guys told it. The stories I knew, they just saw a light in the sky, never told us it was that orangish yellow light. And I was like, oh wow, what a coincidence. It's like it moved up the state.

23:18 Yeah, yeah. That, that orange light was pretty prevalent in Elmwood stories and I was really trying hard to try to find somebody from Elmwood that would talk about things. We have somebody that we do need to reach out to Jacob and talk to, talk to that person about their story, hopefully be able to retell that here on on the show. I don't know what we're going to be able to do with it as of right now, but it seemed that Elmwood would have two separate major craft in the sky, right? They would have the metallic saucer shaped craft that everyone is used to, right? That's the flying saucer.

24:01 And then they had this bright orange light. Now, the orange one. There were a couple cases in Elmwood throughout the history, throughout, you know, the 70s where the orange light actually broke off into smaller, whiter white lights and red lights. Did you ever see anything like that? No, I've never seen that, but I'll tell you another story here in a bit that'll make you really wonder. Well, go ahead, let's hear it. So back when I had my day job, I, I kind of left it after 20 1/2 years, but we used to do a lot of overtime and I get there about 4:00 in the morning along with a couple other people.

24:50 And right around 5:45, six o'clock me. And this one lady would always go out and smoke cigarettes, have her break before the day shift comes in. So we're out there one day smoking and talking. And also we kind of looked over to the, you know, sun hasn't came up yet. We're looking in the sky. And I'm like, well, that's weird. And she, she even saw it too. And she goes, yeah, it's, it looks like an actual 5 pointed star, like, you know, like a silver star in the sky. We're like, whoa, that's weird. And we're like, I, I've never seen a star look like that. And then it kept getting closer. It was moving in the sky like it was about to go over us and we're watching the star and we're like, that's weird. You know, it must be a light off a plane. Definitely has to be because the airport is not far from that direction where it's flying.

25:48 So we're thinking, you know, light on the front of the plane and we're just, it seems looks like a 5 point star. So we're sitting talking and all of a sudden we look at it again. All of a sudden we see it go from a star to like a BLOB. And then next thing we know I went to a straight triangle and I'm like, OK, that's really weird. And then we watched it as it floated above us. No sound at all. So not like a jet engine or anything, but the weird part about the way it looked when it turned that triangle form was if you know what a migraine aura looks like in an eye, if you ever have a migraine and you get it, one of the optical auras where it's like that weird lighted effect, that's what it looked like.

26:36 It wasn't bright white like a like a whitish silver like it started. It was looking like that. And she couldn't even describe how the color looked. She's like, I, I don't even know how to describe that. And I'm like, yeah, like it kind of reminds me of my migraines when I get an, an aura, a Fleck or, you know, in my eye, you know, and she's like, didn't know what that was. So I had to show her a video of it. And she's like, yeah, yeah, that's what it looked like. So we thought that was really weird. She got spooked didn't want to talk about it again, but the crazy part is almost a year later, almost to the day or out on break early in the morning again here it comes again same way started as a star went to like that BLOB and then to a triangle as it went over us and still had that migraine aura look to it. It was just weird.

27:32 I it just that was the craziest one. That's the only one I saw shape shift besides going small to large. Few, few things stand out to me. One. So you're saying you saw a flying pentagram? Yeah. Yeah, like, you know, like the kids, gold stars you get. But it was like a whitish silver. It was, that's what stuck out. And that's what made me think, oh, it's an aircraft, the light shining out from the nose, you know, and but didn't stay that way. Interesting. And then the aura is also interesting. Obviously, you know, Jeff will tell you the, the US government, they won't tell you, but will tell you that they use cloaking technology.

28:17 So curious if that was like a a test test or something along those lines. And then TR 3B, that's the first thing that came to my mind. Jeffrey TR 3B You have nothing. Yeah, I don't know. I think maybe it could have been. I mean, if it's early in the morning, I'm thinking it's probably light reflections off the sun. I mean, I didn't see it, you know what I mean? So it's hard for me to just be talking. About the aura. Well, no, the aura is like weird, but the star like it's shape shifting to me. Like, that could be sun reflection angle, you know, angle of light off of an aircraft. And it's just like, you know, that reflection could be shaping shifting shapes, right?

29:01 But yeah, when you're looking up at it and it's doing some weird aura thing that I don't understand. I had I had to look up what a migraine aura was. I've never. Had a lot of people don't know what it. Is so I was like, like Jeremy's like, yeah, of course. And I was like, OK, so I'm gonna look this one up. That's interesting. Yeah, I've never. I get high. Greens so bad that I freaking started seeing colors that weren't there. So my left eye I get like a little blurry spot, like closer to like the inside of my eye, like you can kind of see it right? I don't know, right in front of my nose. It'd be like this little blurry spot right there whenever I get my migraines and it's. Always the same spot, my right, yeah. Wild.

29:44 Yeah. Damn Navy. Speaking of Navy, just so nobody chews my head off listening, Jake was so kind to correct me. A captain is an O6 then maybe? Thanks, Jake. Yeah, I was counting it out. I was like Ensign JG and IT Commander, Commander, Captain. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What a dumb ass. It's alright. I I served as enlisted. I wasn't one of those people. Yeah. Never made it to khakis. What a what a scumbag, man, let me tell you. Yeah, we're garbage. Yeah. So Skeeter, let's let's have a little fun here, man. What? What do you think is in our skies? What do you think it is? I can't totally settle on one.

30:31 I got a lot of thought possibilities saving from. Is it physical? Is it not going to be interdimensional? Or could it be from our own planet? It's, it's hard to nail down for me, you know, to nail down on one concise thing. Because until I could touch it and you know, or get a closer experience on it, I can't give it an exact answer. Well, I've, I've recently bounced back and forth on what I believe some of it is, but let's, let's narrow it down a little bit, right? It's a, there's a good possibility of it. I really do believe so.

31:15 Let's narrow it down a little bit. Let's break them up into categories, right. So the orange light, do you have any theories that? I mean, I can understand where people get that UFOs have a psychic connection and be able to hear your thoughts, but at the same time, just to pick out one car on a road on a big area and who knows how far away it was that I mean, I could see is a possibility because every time we had a full tank and we said we're going to go chase it down and disappear. But any other times we could sit and watch it, watch it, you know, for 30 minutes before it totally like fade away, just go from big bright orange down to tiny dot and gone.

32:01 So that one, I don't know, could be physical, but psychic connection. Now, this silver star that transformed into like a BLOB to that triangle, like perfect crisp triangle, that one I could say could be interdimensional because it could be from a dimension that we cannot see that well. And the way I saw it, in the way the witness that was with me that saw it was like here today, she still won't talk about it. But when it's just her and I, she'll tell me, yeah, just don't talk about that anymore. It still creeps me out that we saw that. But the way you know it, the look of it, it made me wonder, yeah. Is that something interdimensional from a different, like 4th, 5th dimension that we just cannot perceive?

32:53 And this is the only way I could perceive it. You guys got any questions for him? Comments. Spiritual beings are on a different dimensional plan. That's all I got to say. Possible. Yeah, I agree that we've had this conversation 1000 times, Yeah. I don't know if they're spiritual beings. That's not. I'm still waiting for you to tell us this big news that you've apparently cracked the code that you're going to make us wait until who knows when the. The Thanksgiving Thanksgiving. Oh, maybe it's the Halloween 1. So you don't even know. I'm working on 2 two different topics at the same time man. I'm working on Thanksgiving and a Halloween topic right now as as we speak. I'm doing this and research right now. How about what's today's date?

33:39 The 8th? How about you reveal it now for the 9/11 special? 911 Special. This isn't this isn't even the episode that's coming out this week. We have the the two government UFO episodes coming out and then this one. All right, whatever. Yeah, so you don't make any sense, man. Stop. Suck it. Whatever, dude. Oh, all right, let's see. Do you have any other left field UFO sightings? I have one other Being in northern Wisconsin, everybody loves hunting.

34:21 I was out deer hunting one time and I was during bow hunting season, so all the leaves were still on the trees and pretty green and just starting to die out for the year. But I was standing in my stand and I'd had a nice 4x4 platform, and I was 10 feet off the ground and no wind. It was a nice day out, a little warmer than I'd like to because I'm in a full ghillie suit with my bow and arrow. And out of nowhere I hear the wind picking up. And I'm like, OK, so I looked behind me and nothing's moving, but I could hear your leaves moving. And I'm like, well, that's strange. I'm like, well, maybe the breeze is coming slowly.

35:03 So I kept watching and watching and all of a sudden just one spot of tree branches and leaves were fluttering. This was like a direct breeze and it just slowly went right alongside me about 20 feet away. I could watch all the tree branches and leaves moving in this one spot and went from behind me all the way in front of me. And I watched it go down because I was up on a hillside watching it making about a 40 to 50 foot pattern of leaves moving. But when it went past, none of the other leaves are moving. It just this one spot like it was a fully cloaked whatever was there I could not see, but it was disrupting the leaves like wind was blowing. And I I was watching it go all the way across the wood line until I couldn't see on the other side of the hill when it was over that way.

35:57 So that was about 1/4 mile. I watched that travel. Speaking of cloaking, I watched a video. It was an interview with a guy who bought completely into the Richard Sharp Shaver shaver mystery that we talked about in the Hollow Earth special about the Darrows and the Taros in the underworld with the the world of the Titans. And and he he basically regurgitated his past life as a molten Myon. This semi, I'm not going to try to explain it. Listen to the episode ANYWAYS, so this guy was completely buying into the the Shaver mystery and he was coming up with all these explanations and everything. And one of the things that he talked about was about how the Darrow's can cloak themselves.

36:47 And when when you hear about, you know, cloaked creatures, such as people have these weird encounters with a cloaked Sasquatch, which is supposedly a common one, or a cloaked dog man, or cloaked alien beings, cloaked UFOs, some sort of craft, right. He explained that it was the Darrows that were talked about in the Shaver mystery. Now, I don't know if I have 100% by that. I don't know if I have 10% by that. I don't actually. I do know that I don't, but I just, I don't know. I heard that. And I was like, I bet you this guy would say that. That's the Darrows. Yeah, Jake agrees.

37:29 Jake is a big fan of the Deros. He he, he, he's like, yeah, definitely the Deros. Yeah, man, I mean, if anyone has ever listened to any of our podcast episodes, they just know. I just rattle on and on and on about the Deros. Just. That's right. Just never shut up about them. Sometimes I had to tell you to show. Yeah, it's like, alright dude, enough about the deros. Wouldn't it be crazy to find out if like this, there's just the whole time, for all of human history, there's just been this ancient alien, not even alien, right? They're here, This ancient cloak, cloakable being, right? Like Predators were running around.

38:11 Maybe that's how like all the people are missing, you know, all that crazy stuff. It's just there's actual Predators on this planet running around. Well, I've always thought that there's there's something in the National Park system, right. I mean, we, we haven't done a National Park Mysteries episode since, I don't know. Yeah, it's been a long time. Like a year and a half. We're sort of making a comeback with that with the Thanksgiving episode sort of little bit. It's a mystery. It's not necessarily about national parks, but it is, it is interesting. It's around the same genre. So anybody who liked the National Park mystery series that we used to do, got something special for you coming for Thanksgiving. If you hang tight till the end of the episode, I will let you know what it is and I will delete it for everybody else. That's that's listening and not watching. Yeah.

38:58 So just like I did with the last episode when I, when I spilled the beans on the Halloween series. But anyways, what was I talking about? Oh yeah, that's right. The, the, the, the cloaked beings in the, in the National Park system, Jeff, I, I wouldn't be surprised, man. I wouldn't be surprised. I, I do think that a lot of this stuff is connected, right. Specifically, I'm going to talk about hollow Earth and the National Park system. Teddy Roosevelt and his obsession with hunting creatures or mythological creatures such as the Stanley Gaster and and a couple.

39:38 I think he tried to man. What was the name of that freaking? There's like a something something bear down in Africa that he wanted to go hunt to. Then he had that run in with a Bigfoot. I believe that Teddy Roosevelt set aside the national parks and created the National Park system to hide something. I mean, these things are vast, they're big. There's tons of cases and there's if you look at cases and maps of the United States and then you overlay. The missing 411 map right on top of it where you have all of those David Plyte's clusters, you will see that these national parks are specifically laid right over clusters of K systems. So it's, it's definitely some interesting stuff. I wouldn't be surprised, Jeffrey, if it was the Darrow's say Jake, I put it in there for you if it was the Darrow's coming up through the ground of these national parks and cloaking themselves.

40:37 Now, I recently did more research into another topic, the Halloween topic. And if anybody knows who Albert K Bender is, then you will know what the the Halloween topic is. But I'm not going to say it out loud. You guys have to Google that and you guys will figure it out. But Albert K Bender was also a component to the idea of Darrow's being on the earth and having the ability to cloak themselves both on the ground and in craft. Now, the the shaver mystery was just absolutely stock full of interplanetary travel traveling in through large holes in the earth to get down to the the hollow.

41:22 So I I would think that if if, if the earth is hollow, it would have more than just two large entrances at the North and South. In fact, I don't even think those are there. I think that there's other entrances speckled across the world, and I think that here in the United States, the National Park system would be a perfect cover for those. It's going to shake your head, Jeff. You're not going to say anything. Yeah, agreed. No, I think definitely there's probably some, let's say untouched natural ones in some national parks probably. But I think some of the like the ancient temples and things like that may also be built on top of some of these entrances, you know, maybe under the pyramids, right?

42:04 Or some of these like super intricate, like like Indian temples that you see like maybe somewhere down in there there, you know, Indiana Jones found like a, a tunnel into the inner earth or something. Well, you had those pyramids that were, you know, basically caught carbon prints. You had the Aztecs and then you had a bunch of in Asia, you know, in, in various parts of the world, you had these the architecture. That's pretty much pretty much like I said, carbon prints of of architecture from halfway around the world. That's. Because they were built by demonic Nephilim prior to the flood. And then you can't, you can't throw in a bunch of water and expect all that stuff to move. So they all stayed there. And then people, when they showed up, those spots moved in and took them over.

42:49 Yeah. There he is talking about the Darrows again. Obviously. I mean, if you weren't such a lepton, you'd know. I don't know if that is. Neither do I. Is that an actual word? Yeah. Is it really? Yeah. I'm going to Google that real quick then. You're acting like a nematode right now. I know what a nematode is. Yeah, well that's what you are, a. Lepton is a particle. In physics, a lepton is an elementary particle of half integer spin, spin and 1/2 that does not undergo strong interactions. How did you not know that already? I don't know. Yeah, what an idiot, man, Let me tell you. Yeah. You're.

43:30 Cool, good stuff man. Skeeter, do you have anything other than UFOs? I've had many ghost experiences. The joy of where I'm at now is one block over is the cemetery. So I've played in that cemetery since I was a kid. I never really got spooked by cemeteries, probably because I grew up next to one. But a lot of different ghost experience. The craziest one I'd have to tell you is when I was in high school, everyone knew I was the guy who was into weird stuff. And like I said, still, yeah, I'm proud to be weird. Everybody else is weird, abnormal. Wear like a badge, man.

44:11 Yep, good stand. I had some guys Take Me Out. Some school kids are like, oh, we heard about this haunted house and you know a lot about ghosts, can you help us? And I kind of had a feeling it was a setup. I'm like, yeah, they're just going to try to ditch me out in the middle of nowhere, which I figured. And luckily it wasn't too far out of town and I knew where they took me was this one old rickety house that was very decrepit, about to fall apart. And there's a cemetery about 1/4 mile from it that always has been haunted. Everyone always said so. But supposedly the haunting of that cemetery related to this house, which it didn't when I researched it, but they wanted to show me that they saw something. They want me to help them understand what's going on. And so we're walking up to this house, they go, we'll go around, try to find other ways since we're crawling between boards and old broken windows.

45:10 And I'm getting ready for them to take off some kind of half listening for them to run and watching where I'm going in the dark. And I started walking into this one room and I'm like, Yep, here's the setup. White apparition, like somebody in a real thin cotton sheet over them lighting up from underneath. I'm like, yeah, this is a setup for me. So I was kind of mad and I thought, well, I'll just tackle down whoever it is. So I ran towards it and it's sitting by this window looking out it and I ran along the wall to tackle it down. Nothing, just reach with my arms to grab. Nothing went right through it.

45:55 But when I was going through it is the weirdest thing happened was it was like mist mixed with the static electric. It was the weirdest feeling I ever felt and that's the only explanation I could think of. What it felt like was like a mist with static electric in it. It just and next thing I knew was on the floor, turned around, nobody was there. Somebody screamed outside and they started running and Yep, they they're yelling ghost ghost ghost run run. And they left me out in the middle of nowhere. But luckily I had a friend that lived 1/2 mile away so it was a short walk. But I've never thought an apparition would actually have like that sheet look so, because ghosts I've seen before that were just like normal human, just a little more paler. So I don't, I don't know much about ghosts, right? I don't, I know about some urban legends that are based around ghosts, like the Lady in White, which is the first thing that came to my mind when when you were saying that. But I'm going to be honest with you, I don't know a ton that was that was CJ's specialty.

47:10 And we no longer have CJ as a host. He's not dead. He's doing. He's doing a podcast about autism now and it's actually really awesome. It's a really good show. He. He. Fine, now that I know that he's not dead, dude. Yeah, he's he's he's doing some really, really good stuff. Proud of CJ. But we don't have a host that specializes in this stuff anymore. So if anybody listening that is a specialist in this stuff that thinks that they can take shit from Jake, Jeff and I. And we're a bunch of naysayers. So we are a bunch of naysayers. I love Seabiscuit. The closest thing, and I don't even know if it was a spirit, but the closest experience I ever had was on the US and its comfort when they, you know, they were they were telling stories about this little girl.

48:03 That's that runs around the halls and an old janitor. And one night I was sleeping and I got my, the big toe on my, my left foot pulled and I was like, you know, because I'm be honest with you, man, sleeping in the Navy is awkward, right? Especially in, in the, the rack that I was in, because we didn't have solid walls, especially in between the feet. So I was constantly playing footsies with the guy like at my feet, his feet were he's, he's a tall guy. I'm not a very tall guy. So his feet used to come into my, you know, my little area here and he he would be doing some late night stuff and I'd be like, dude, you got to fucking stop that shit, right? Because you know, I got to be up soon. Stop it, knock it off, go do that in the bathroom. So.

48:49 Cranking. Oh, man, let me tell you, I don't know something something about 2:00 in the morning. This guy just loved. I don't know what it was, but and then one night like I just, I just felt this, this felt like somebody with with two little fingers just grabbed my big toe because I sleep on my on my on my stomach and my feet were kind of pointed down obviously. And I just felt my big toe get pulled out into or out out of the wreck. And I'm like, whoa, like, dude, stop that shit. And all of a sudden I hear a little girl just he, he, he, he just like running away. I'm like, whoa. That was the only thing that I've ever, ever had.

49:29 And I mean, I think that that woke me out of a dead sleep. So I mean, I, I can't 100% say that it was a spirit. I can't 100% say it was a little girl. But I can tell you what I felt and what I heard or what I believe I heard, you know, and that's the closest thing that I have, right? I don't, I don't have any other experiences when it comes to supernatural beings, you know, spirits or ghosts or poltergeists or, or the such. So I really don't have a lot of information for you on that, but it is pretty interesting, man Definitely cool. I have had several, I guess you'd call him ghost experiences. And the last one, I told him straight to his face, it's like ghosts aren't real.

50:10 And he's like, oh, he went, went away. And I was like, get off my porch. I'm not giving you any candy. Could have been in a costume. I don't know. But anyway, it was during Halloween, so I don't know. The jury's still out on that one. But no, I've had several experiences like that. I don't know. I have, I have such mixed emotions when it comes to ghosts because it's always some story of like some, you know, 1800s or whatever, sort of like horrible murder, blah, blah, blah, this sort of stuff. It's never the hipster that dropped his vape and went back to getting got slammed by a bus or something. You know, it's just like, oh, he's always wandering around, you know, the Main Street looking for his vape. You know, who have you seen my vape? Who?

50:56 You know, it's always just like some freaking like who in the 1600s in the Civil War. And it's like, OK, yeah. You know, even like, you know, young Earth folks like myself, you know, like they'll tell you that like 85 billion people have existed on the Earth in the last like, you know, 20,000 years. And it's like it and the entirety of it, right? It's like that's a lot of ghosts that's you're bumping into them at the beach, you know, type stuff, you know, you know, just like it's like, ah, get off of me. He's everywhere, right? So I got such mixed emotions on it and stuff. But yeah, CJ was definitely our go to guy for that. But even still, with all the stuff he could rattle, I'd be like, yeah, you're full of crap.

51:40 But even still, I've had plenty of, I guess, ghost experiences that I, I really can't explain. Like when I was in Pensacola, FL for training this last time, I was basically the general rule was for the barracks, the families, if you're coming to visit your sailor could go in the lobby, but only the sailors could go to the, you know, second and third floor or 4th floor or whatever to go to their rooms. So they had to come down to you. So you had to call them down and that sort of stuff. So I'm coming downstairs, I'm on the 2nd floor and I see this little girl in a white ruffled dress and she's, you know, hauling around a corner.

52:22 And I'm just like, oh, shoot, you know, someone's daughter or whatever is on the loose or younger sister, whatever. So I go and I turn this corner and she's not there anymore. And I'm just like, OK, so I go downstairs to the main desk and I, I tell the watch there, I said, hey, there's a little girl that's running around on the 2nd floor, just a heads up. And he was like, was she like a blonde with like a little white dress and stuff? And I was like, yeah. And she's like, yeah, she's a ghost. She's been haunting this base for like 100 years. And just like, OK. And he's like, yeah, she was, I forgot the story, but she was like drowned and at the beach or was murdered or something, something along the lines of that, whatever. But I ended up actually finding the archive news story of this little girl.

53:08 And so it kind of tripped me out a little bit. And I was like, hmm, that's a weird one. And then when I was in the Navy, the 1st, when we were in Nas, Oceana, Virginia, the barracks we were in used to be I guess like a psych ward. And you could see by the lobby. And the way everything was set up is definitely like, yeah, this used to be like a hospital. And they said the third floor where everyone's where I slept was, you know, or it was it was a small hospital, like an urgent care. And the third floor was like, kind of like a impromptu psych ward type stuff. But I've seen light switches flick themselves on and off because I was roving, you know, at 3:00 in the morning, the light switches have to be on because in case of emergency, you can't have, you know, 500 people stumbling around the dark, right?

53:52 So, you know, you can't see the light in the hallway in your bedrooms because there's a common area and then two separate bedrooms. So the lights have to stay on 24/7. And so I'm roving every hour and someone's jacking around. They keep turning this light off. So I'm turning them on as I go. And I'm like, this is getting dumb. And so I, I decided to sit around for a second to see who's going to pop out of their door and flip the light switch off. And I literally watch it flip by itself. And I was like, all right, I'm out. I'm like, I'm good. I just like just dip right. And they're, they're those hard flips. They weren't, you know, little loosey goosey switches where they could just kind of fall under their own weight. Like you actually had to, you know, flip them.

54:32 So it was just like, you know, one of those things. And it was just like, all right, you know, I can't explain it, But if I was to go in that direction, I would say it's a, you know, spiritual force, but in like, a demonic, angelic sort of way, right? Something like that. I don't think the people, like, linger around for unfinished business or their energy exists or whatever it is. But I have had my own fair share of experiences that I'm like, yeah, that's a weird one. Yeah. So, yeah, I, I've, I've thought the, the, the topic was always interesting, right? And I probably should do a little bit more paranormal stuff or supernatural stuff, but I don't, right. And that, that was kind of the basis for I was researching a different topic and I came across Ndes and the topic was spiritual or ghost and you know, that kind of stuff. And I don't know, man, it's, it's so tough. I, I want to tie something practical to it, right? It's an unpractical topic, but I want to tie something practical to it.

55:40 I don't know. It just doesn't make sense, but I don't. Know. I don't know, it's, I wish we had somebody who could, who could speak on this intelligently, like Jeff. Maybe Jeff could say something. He won't, but he, you know, maybe, maybe he could say something. So just sitting there not talking all day. Anyways, our old our old Co host Kenzar kid is in the chat right now. So in case anybody didn't know who that Kate Turtz was, that is that is our old Co host. So Skeeter, you, you got blessed with kid today. Yeah, what's up, kid? I mean, I I've said before what I think goes are I'm not really big in a paranormal either personally, but I have a problem with like the whole time situation. It you know, the the linear time thing, why is it always look, I also agree with Jake.

56:30 First of all, that's a problem for me. Why isn't the dude with the vape being haunting some spot? But also like, why isn't there hauntings of things that haven't happened yet? If this is like like times, not linear and we're talking about some inner dimension, right? Where this isn't, they're not here in this reality. I don't know. This is this too much for me to think it's just ghosts in our pop culture, kind of like mindset. See, that's kind of the the route I go on too. I go, I go very much into that. We did get a comment by the way, from Get Woke 444. Yeah, I was just reading that. I, I like it. It says could be energy imprints left behind by intense emotions or some type of traffic tragic events.

57:12 Maybe we don't see the kid who lost his vape because it wasn't that big of a deal. I've always been curious about that. I I don't know. They make us question the boundaries of reality and what lies beyond. Who knows, maybe it's a time thing, right? Maybe. Maybe we only see like these Victorian ghosts because there has to be a certain amount of time. Maybe it's got to be 203 hundred years. Maybe in 203 hundred years it's going to be nothing but dead vape smokers. The. The Intergalactic Federation of Light hasn't declassified the haunting yet for another 4000 years. Sounds about right. The next congressional hearing that we're going to be talking about here is going to be the release of all the classified documents on ghosts.

57:56 Yeah, but instead of them not releasing the JFK files for another 70 years, that's like that's what they did with a relation. Yeah, they just do like another 200 years for the next, you know, haunting. That's what they did with the UFOs, man. Yeah. Anyways, good stuff. Yeah, Skeeter man, sorry, don't really have much to much to go off there man. Yeah, ever. My idea on ghosts, I'm not 100% settled on, like Jake said, You know, if it's true, it's all people's energy. They'd be everywhere. Everywhere we go. It would be bumping into them non-stop. Very true. I mean, you, you couldn't go to the bathroom in peace ever again.

58:36 Yeah, you know. Someone would always be watching you. So here's here's what I what I deduce. All right, So what get woke said about, you know, a tragic event or something like that, right? So that seems to be the go to thing. So statistically speaking, about 400,000 people die worldwide every single day. Most of those are not in a hospital bed surrounded by their family members. You know, whatever it is, it's car accidents, it's heart attacks, it's, you know, getting shot, it's getting stabbed.

59:18 It's, you know, all sorts of things being murdered one way or another. You know, that's just a general statistic. So most people go out in a way that is not oh, I'm here surrounded by my loved ones and I'm pass passing into the void, you know, all that sort of stuff. It's it's horrible, tragic, sudden events, unplanned, you know, deaths, things like that. So there would be so many ghosts. It would be crazy, you know, then versus the every so often onesie twosies or you go into the, you know, there's an old cemetery and there's some civil war guy in there type stuff.

1:00:06 Like it would be constant. I mean, as far as like civil war type stuff goes, I mean, there's genocides going on across the pond in Africa right now, right? So it's just like there'd be so many ghosts. So it just. It doesn't sit well with me to say like that's the thing, it's got to be something horrible because it's always there's always something horrible going on, right? Like Ground Zero at 911 would probably be one of the most would be the most haunted place in the United States. But I don't know of a single ghost story that has come out of that place. That is a horrible tragic event coming. You know, here we are talking about it on the 8th, right? So couple days and we're we're there for the the anniversary. But yeah, that would be the most haunted place in the United States.

1:00:51 But it's not right. Why is it because it's baloney. But I'm not going to say that stuff doesn't happen, right? That it that we still don't get those weird, you know, whatever you want to call it, you know, a, a wisp of like, you know, the afterlife. Now, I have seen other people that have come out from, you know, like a like a Christian testimony of someone who's come out of the world of like medium type stuff and fortune telling and people that, you know, believe they're contacting people's dead relatives and stuff to check up on them and stuff like that. And have said, yeah, all that stuff was super demonic. I was talking to demons that are pretending to be these people because they've existed since before these people were born and knew everything about them, right?

1:01:35 And we're just pretending, right? So there is that. And that's a very common thing. So, you know, when I dig into it, I'm just like, I mean, yeah, I mean, we could call it whatever we want. You know, we could put any sort of a name on. It doesn't have to be ghosts. We could say apparitions or spirits or whatever it is. But in my Christian worldview and my, you know, what I see is that, you know, all that stuff is pretty evil because very rarely do people have that sort of an experience. And they're like, yeah, it was so uplifting. It was so positive. They're like, I was horrified. You know, I was scared, right? And it's like, OK, well, what causes fear and deception and all that sort of stuff? Well, that's Satan, right? So it's just like, you know, yeah. I mean, it is still, it is definitely one of those topics that I think I've been somewhat nervous to dance to, to kind of toy around with when it comes to the podcast because I just don't want to give it any like room in my brain of like, I don't want to research it or anything like that because I don't want to, you know, give it any sort of space or limelight.

1:02:35 But I mean, in the, I guess platform we have of the infinite rabbit hole, it is something we're going to have to broach at some point. But yeah, I don't know, there's, there's a lot of questions there. So it should makes for some good content, you know? I mean, you're the skeptic, you play a role, right? So like, if if I present something and you're like, this is horseshit. Just I mean, do what you do with everything else. Talk about terrorists, right? Let's see Skeeter. Anything else for us man? I mean, we could go on for hours. Well, we don't have hours. I know, but I'm just saying so but fun. I'll I'll give one more fun fact, but what Jake was just talking about mediums.

1:03:22 I I don't believe in a lot of mediums except for the few that I've are fortune tellers. I should say not mediums but more fortune tellers. I could always tell the ones I went to, they give you this whole long baloney story. Only twice have I been to where a sidekick fortune teller. One time she just looked at me as soon as I walked in and pointed to get out, get out, get out right now. Get out now. I am not dealing with what you got and I'm you're. Going to be on that stupid fucking podcast. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah. And then another time, well, even that first one, buddy, mine went in a little while later, it was a few days later and asked him, you know, he walked right in, didn't say nothing to him like that just gave him a whole, you know, small talk stuff about, you know, people who passed. And he said she was right on.

1:04:24 And I'm like, really? And I he goes after I got done, I asked her, I said, do you ever had to turn people away? And she goes, yes, not long ago I did. And he goes, well, what happened? She was there is so much following him behind him. I just could not deal with it. And the second time I got turned away is we my wife and I were down in Eau Claire. There was a lady of a student down there for a while. And I just say second and third time we pulled up in the drive instantly she walked, turned the close sign even though it was like 2-3 hours left when she was supposed to meet people. She goes, I'm close, I'm close. Nope, sorry, close. And I was like, why? I just, that's how I could tell if it's a real one or not. Because why can you talk to some people but me you're like, Nope, there's too much about you and too much following you. I can't deal with it.

1:05:19 So I want to open up the questions to the chat. If anybody has a question for Skeeter, please post it. Until then, I have only had one run in with somebody who believes that they are. Demon. It's always demons. That's the sky. Yep. Yes, Sir. Can't possibly be anything else. When when we first started the podcast, there was a woman who used to get in touch with me all the time. She still does, still gets in touch with me. No, not going to say not. Going to say names, not going to say names. It's like saying Voldemort in the in in the Lord of the Rings in Harry Potter. Don't even say the name, just.

1:06:02 I don't get that. But anyways, she would like day after day after day, I'd wake up to like, hey, I had a dream about you last night. Hey, I had this weird dream and you were flying an airplane and it crashed. Do you think that has any, any, any correspondence with with something going on in your life? I'm like, no, it doesn't, not at all. And she's like, but you're getting out of the Navy and you work on aircraft. Maybe that's the crash of your life. And I'm like, OK. And I still get. I still get. Messages from her. Oh boy, I remember this. I still get messages from her like every so often and it'll be random.

1:06:43 It'll be something super out of left field, just like, hey, you were in my dream the other night and we were we were making Stew and then you wanted to add Pixie sticks to it. And does that does that mean anything to you? Yes, yes it does. You don't want to know, but yes, you're you're spot on. I'm going to find out one day that she's actually like, literally spelling out your your existence. You're just like turning a blind eye to it. Gosh, it's just like the gypsy woman fed this meal would be so much better with Pixie sticks.

1:07:29 Not yeah, one day I'm going to be making a Stew and I'm going to look at some Pixie sticks sitting on the on the counter for my kids Halloween basket and be like, she was right. Could be this year, could be this year yet. Well, anything else, Skeeter? Anything. Like I said, I got a lot. I mean, this house is full of shadow people. This closet behind me. I never told my daughter, but this used to be my room when I was a kid. That closet is the weirdest closet in the world. It gives you a weird feeling. We moved in here. I didn't tell my kids anything about this house. My daughter, after she moved out, she goes, I don't know what it is, but that closet, it's not scary, it's not evil, it's weird.

1:08:19 She was every time I'd go in there, it was weird. And I'm like, OK, I never said nothing to her. So I know OK, that's two people experiencing same thing. Then my one son went into it and he goes, why is this weird feeling like it doesn't feel like it's the house. I'm like, I don't know. So portal. Dad, why is there why is there a hipster in your closets? No monsters. We have one of those so this if I leave right here, right and I'd hang a left instead of going straight up the stairs, the guest bedroom, Jeff knows it was to the right. If I hang a left, that's the utility room. So it has the water heater, the boiler, all that sort of stuff in it right.

1:09:03 And soon we'll have our softener and all that stuff. But anyway, inside that room, there's a another closet and it's, it's short, the door is probably 4 feet tall. And you open it up and there's no lights in there. And it's underneath the stairs and there's a chalkboard in there. And I get a weird feeling in there, like this was the punishment room. It's so weird. There's like a full size. Chokey dude. What? You got the chokey in your house. It's. It's very strange. I'm just. You know that reference? No. Is it from Matilda? No, from Matilda, man. I haven't seen that movie in since it. Came the chokey brother she used to terrify me as a kid. I had a teacher.

1:09:50 I had a teacher that was like the trunchable Bros, just like that bitch, Yeah. Make you eat a big chocolate cake. Eat it. Blood, sweat and tears. Yeah, it's it gives me like a weird vibe to it. I don't know. And it's just like there's a lot of abuse that happened here. I just kind of feel it. And I talked to my neighbors because we've only been, Whitney's been living in this house since November. I've only been here since January. But Whitney or we'll talk to the neighbors and they're like, Oh yeah, those people were total shut in. They had a bunch of kids. They're like four or five kids and they never went outside. You never saw them outside. You never saw them at any of the community events like these, these folks here, this neighborhood that we're in, like they have a like every six months they have like a block party type stuff and they're like, you never saw them out at any of that sort of stuff and anything. And I just kind of walk into that space. That's where I keep like the ammo and stuff. And right.

1:10:46 So like all the ammo cans and stuff, I just kind of throw in that that little closet, but I like walk in there. I'm like. Weird idiots left that house. Huh. They got to worry about is how many kids left that house or property. You got kids in your walls, Jake. I don't know. I'm not going to go looking around to find out tell you that much. Just do the shave and the haircut knock, you know. Yeah, and if I get a knock back back, well, Whitney, pack it up or move it. All right, well, before we go, I'll go ahead and and do what I promise I'll.

1:11:26 I'll let you guys know what we're going to do for Thanksgiving. Anything else, anybody? You guys want to reply in the chat to Whitney and she said nothing weird has happened here for his house to not have weird stuff happened because you don't know what I did in the basement when I was staying there. There's kids in your sheets. You. Want me to call her and see if she'll come downstairs and and tell what happened in our old house? Yeah, I mean if you if, if you want. Let me give. Her tell her, tell her to hurt. Make it snap. Waka, tell her make it snappy. Make it snappy. Past my bedtime. You don't have to call her, she's literally watching. Oh well. Yo Wovens. Calling her anyway.

1:12:07 You want to talk to the world? Let's do this. Yeah, for real. I'm. Busy watching a show Leave me Alone video. Games. So she's probably like now. Pretty sure she. If she's not answering, then she's not watching the show currently. What's even funnier, she's probably running around upstairs looking for the phone when she could come down there. Till you know. You want to come down here and tell the tell be in the episode and tell everyone what happened in the last house. I I don't know you, you put it in the chat, you said nothing weird has happened here at first house. To not have weird stuff happen. You want to come down and throw it on the episode.

1:12:48 Pretty much passed out. All right, Well, come on now. All right. Yeah, Wollens. Yeah, get the wifey on for the first time. Four years in, first time. And I was here for it. Yeah, you were right. Yeah, we're making memories. Sorry, Kenzer. We'll see while we're waiting if anybody in the chat has any ideas for episodes. Skeeter, you got an episode, you got an idea, you got. You got something you want us to cover, man? Glimmer Man. Glimmer man huh? Who's been? Spotted Slender Man. I was like I already did. No, no. He and I forget the Navy base that's in the United States, that's not far from National Park or park area.

1:13:35 Probably the one in Oklahoma. I can't remember where it was but or the name of it, but Glimmer Man has been spotted. It's kind of like the predator look when people see it and they call it like it's a Glimmer cloaking device. So yeah, I got somebody agreeing with me in there so in the chat for being here. But yeah, it's interesting story because a lot of people are seeing this all around the world and I kind of saw something like it, but it was more just like an outline of a visible thing, whatever it was. So. But the stories I've heard about it are really interesting and maybe something you guys could dive into for an episode. I see it is an urban legend and typically cover urban legends on Halloween.

1:14:28 But I could always, I could always kick, kick men in back, men in black back a little bit. I don't know. I gotta see if there's books on it. I'm trying to remember if you guys did Black Eyed kids too. We did, but I'm going to be redoing that because I, it was a terrible, terrible episode. That was back before I, I did, you know, better research and stuff. So Black Eyed kids will be redone at some point? How long does it take to get across your house, Jake? It's past my bedtime, bro. There she is. See. Yeah, look at that. It's her and not a kid ghost kid.

1:15:10 She don't want to be on camera. Doug Wollens. Jeremy. Jeremy. Say things. OK, the first one was in Norfolk when we were living together, the bunch of Navy buddies, And we'd only been dating a few months. And we were living in like the attic space that was changed into like a bedroom. So there was like a staircase up to in our bedroom. And sometimes I'd have like, my blankets pulled off and we didn't have a dog in there or anything. And I'd just, like, fight it. And he would be asleep for it. And then one night he just popped up, just sat right up. And he's like, you don't see it.

1:15:53 Do you see him? Like what he's like looking right at the stairwells, like in the middle of the night. He's like, you don't see him. Like, see who he's like, huh? And he lays back down. I was like, great. Oh fuck, I'm not getting to sleep now at. Night. And didn't you have like a penny or a nickel thrown at you in the shower one time? Yeah. And you said it's because you were a Jew. Yeah, I'd have my blankets pulled off like that was before we even had Fred and we didn't have the dogs upstairs. So I'd like be fighting something to like pull the blankets back up and.

1:16:38 Then we heard all the footsteps running. Yeah, they're running upstairs. That house is creepy. It was it. Was a. The house is built in. 19 one, yeah. Or something like that, right? It was in in South Norfolk. So it was. In the hood, it was gross. It was in the hood and it was. Decrepit and falling apart. We call it the Wonka House kitchen. Falling in crawl space. I was like 5 feet tall in house. Kind of, yeah. The windows, doors and stuff like that would stick because. They were all kind of like, really. Want, yeah. Kind of looked like a Beetlejuice, like down in hell or wherever it was. Purgatory. Yeah, in the waiting room. Beetlejuice House. Huh, interesting. Yeah, so that that place is creepy. I don't think we had anything happen in our house that we bought.

1:17:26 No, but in California we had some crap happen. We were listening to What's that guy's Bear? Bear Girls. Oh no, we were listening. To big old dude, he's like, yeah, it's like into survivalist, like preppy, but also really Christian. And he was saying a prayer at the end of his little YouTube video and our TV shuts off. Like, oh, what happened? The TV wasn't plugged and it was like 3 feet away from where the outlet was. No dogs were behind it. Nothing was there. Basically our TV in an entertainment center. And it was.

1:18:08 Unplugged from the wall and it was like the outlet was like thrown as. Far as it could go side. Cool while he was like in mid prayer and then a little bit after my knee surgery, it was more comfortable for me to sleep on the couch. Just keep my like my knee elevated and everything. And I swore I heard Jake peep around the hallway and just like, you got like a like, what do you want? So I saw like a shadow of a head like come over and just like what? Go away. And so I rolled into the couch and then I felt something rush up on me and I like, flipped over and there was nothing there.

1:18:51 That one was the knee surgery. Drugs, for sure drugs. Anymore no ibuprofen. The Navy, they give you enough drugs to get you through like 3 days and then just ibuprofen. It's I had surgery, they gave me I want to say like 2 volumes and then everything else was ibuprofen. They just throw ibuprofen at anything you got noticeably. Withdrawals ibuprofen It was the withdrawals from the. No, it was a few weeks after it. Oh, tell me about. Renee's. Oh, that place is creepy shit. Can I cuss? Yeah, All right. I guess it's too late now. This is a.

1:19:33 Family from lick my butt hole. Anyway, yeah, Renee's house. So their bedroom. So Renee was my best friend in high school. Can you guys hear me OK? Yeah, sort of. OK. I don't know how it's going to come out in audio, but. So Renee was my best friend in high school and he and I both met when we were, I want to say we were Christians because our families went to church type stuff. And then as soon as we became adults, like I, I found my way back to Christianity through my life. Second, hey, you find your, your sewing kit nice, buy your other sewing stuff. I found my way back to Christianity. But he he dropped off and went from, you know, like what people would consider like a Bible thumper type of a person. To doing like blood sacrifice witchcraft, right? So and he still is fairly into that space. So when we were getting ready to move to California on military orders, it was during COVID and we were selling our house and we were going to go straight over to California. Well, because of COVID, they put me on a hold for nine months. So Renee, who is my best friend in high school, he actually joined the Navy shortly after me. And he had a house right down the street from where we were. And so we, we got to, we were kind of in this pickle where it's like, well, we're closing

1:21:03 on our house. The, the buyers are going to move in. What are we going to do for nine months? And he just so happened to be out of tenants because he was out in Japan. So he was renting his house. So we moved into his house and when we were moving in, it was a wreck. And the old tenants, they abused it. And so we had to help him fix it up and all that sort of stuff. But while I was moving in, all of his boxes and stuff of his clothes and everything that he didn't take to Japan were upstairs in the master bedroom. And so I asked him point blank, I said, Renee, is there anything in this house that is going? To be like a a magnet. For the demonic, the spiritually oppressive, whatever you want to call it.

1:21:44 And he's like, no, I don't think so. I was like, do you mind if I go through everything to be sure? Right. There's no Ouija boards or, you know, candles or any sort of sacrificial implements or whatever it is. And he's like, yeah, go for it. And so I went through and I didn't find anything. But the fact that those sorts of things were done in that house, you know, led to a lot of interesting stuff. So you can go ahead and tell from here because I was asleep for most of it. So, well, I mean, he's definitely waiting. So every time. So you could kind of see like the upstairs bedroom, it's kind of like the same thing as our first house that we lived in. Like the attic was converted into bedroom.

1:22:25 So the staircase you can kind of see the bedroom door from like if you're walking by and I'd always see something up there every time I walked by. I did not like being there alone at all. Felt super uncomfortable, kept hearing weird stuff. I hated that house. Absolutely hated it. Weird. Such a oh. Nope. What's up? Nope, you go. Oh no, you go and then I'll tell a different story. Oh, I was just going to say it's just a natural path progression. Christian demonology. It's very strange actually, but. But prior to meeting Jake I was leaving living with my parents because I moved back from Oregon.

1:23:05 I was getting ready to join the Navy so I just stayed with them. Think Jeff's asleep then there he is. I woke up in the middle of the night feeling something grabbing my face, completely dark, couldn't see it and it felt like it was kissing me. It was freaking it. Was creepy. It was super. Creepy. I hope so. It tries to make out me tonight. I'll fight it. Come on. But it was kind of like frozen. I don't have like, what's that term where you sleep paralysis? Yeah, I don't have that. But it was just I felt something grabbed my face. You could totally have sleep paralysis on a on a one point episode. Like you can just you can have it randomly. I had it one time in my entire life.

1:23:45 Super fucking creepy. But I had it several times before I learned what it was, and then I learned what it was. I haven't had it since. Yeah, yeah. So maybe it was like the one time deal, but when I where I grew up was in southern Idaho, so my dad's house is probably built on like some Indian graves or something. But down the hallway on the other side of the wall in the hallway was a my mom's like stand up mirror. And there was always like this smudge that you can only clean off with just soap and water. Windex nothing. It would clean it off 'cause you'd always see something run down the hallway through the wall and even my, our, all of our dogs would alert. They'd get up and just stare down the hallway with like their back raised up.

1:24:31 And my bed would shake there too. My bed would always shake. I thought it was a dog, but be like, stop it, stop shaking, stop itching. And I look, I'm the only one on the bed. Super weird. To give to give relevance to the the weirdness of Renee's house right before he went to Japan. He confided in me one time. He say he's like, I think I'm getting a little bit too deep in these practices that I'm doing. I was like, all right, what's up, dude? And he's just like, I mean, I'll tell you straight up that any amount of dabbling is dumb, but you know, I was like, what's up, man? And he's just like, he's like, so me and he was married at the time.

1:25:16 He said me and my wife were being intimate and I looked past her. She was on top. I looked past her and there was a being standing at the foot of the bed watching us, an all black being just standing there watching us do it. And he is like, I wake up and I see this thing standing at the bed, like standing on my side of the bed watching me sleep. And I'll look right up at it. He's like, it's it's always there. It's there when I'm changing. It's there when she's alone. It's there when we're being intimate. It's there, you know, following me around the house. He's like, it's just it's there constantly. He's like, it's starting to freak me out. I was like, yeah, you should probably stop. Didn't stop him, but he's just like, you know, so.

1:25:58 You know, is like for us, you know, hey, it's a godsend, right? Hey, we, we got, you know, the protection of the Holy Spirit. We're not scared about any of this sort of stuff, you know, or, or we don't have anything to be afraid of, even if it is freaky. But still, I want to protect my wife from any sort of trauma she's going to develop, right. So, you know, hey, before we move in, is there anything crazy? And he's like, Nah, I don't think so. But yeah, it was, it was definitely creepy. There was you, you could feel this. I don't know, like maybe maybe like Skeeter is describing with that closet. It was like a heavy feeling when. You walked into the house and it was just like this, Is this something's off right now? It was very strange. Yeah.

1:26:38 All right. We got to we got to start cutting this off. Jeffrey has to get the bid. You'd see him. He's he's troopering through this. Look at him. He's such a good sport. Thank you, Jefferson. Sorry guys, I'm in a different time zone, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever. Anyway, I got AI, got a blue collar career, you know, get up and we work hard early in the morning, pay our tax. They took our taxes. All right, Skeeter, man, it's been a pleasure. I really do appreciate you coming on today, man. Happy to be helping you guys out any way I can. Yeah, dude, you've been awesome every episode. You've been awesome, have you?

1:27:20 At the next Elmwood thing and you're going. To be our Yeah, I've already booked it off, so come to see. You guys, if it wasn't for Skeeter, we would have had a a really shit presentation at Elmwood. So Skeeter came through for us, yeah. He fixed the, the audio says. Dope. Yeah, fixed the audio. Got your video clear as I could get it so. So, Skeeter, you, you do some stuff, you do a podcast, don't you? I do mainly videos for YouTube and weather for I used to do it for my DJ and all the time, but I kind of got out of that.

1:28:01 But as you guys learned, I'm a big fan of Yu-gi-oh. I got hooked on it when my kids were little and I do pack openings. I mean, I got right here cards. That's what this room is mainly for, my collection room. But yeah, I do that under Skeeter the common king on YouTube. Nice. What about you? Sent me a link for a movie discussion show on YouTube one time. Oh, what was that? Gosh, I forgot. Yeah, you guys are, Yes. I can't remember what you guys are talking about Hellboy. Remember you guys talking about Hellboy? Gosh, what was that was a while ago. I'd have to look it up.

1:28:48 If you don't, if you don't remember it, send me a link again and I'll put it in the show notes. All right, all right. But thanks man. I really do appreciate you. I appreciate all your support that you've given us for for quite a while now. So hopefully you had a good time. I know. We had amazing time meeting you guys was awesome. My wife is starting to listen to the podcast now. So nice. She just heard me. But after she met you, she goes. Those guys are really cool. You know, they're down to earth and they're pretty fun. And it was the only presenter that we actually stayed and listened to. And I, I was happy they talked about Elmwood.

1:29:28 And so the other ones were whatever. Yeah, but people were snoring in the in the MUFON presentation. That guy sucked. Oh, you mean why I don't want to talk? Bad the the one right right before us. No talker. He ain't gonna ever listen to this. He's terrible, terrible version. He didn't even know he was part of MUFON or where in MUFON, Minnesota MUFON. I mean, he's like, I am with the shit. What am I looks at the screen of the present presentation. He's like Minnesota MUFON and I'm like, you don't know who you are? Like, yeah, we stayed another 10 minutes and walked out and came and saw you guys again.

1:30:09 Right on man. Well, very much appreciated. Appreciate the the cards. Great stuff man. It was nice meeting you. Nice meeting your wife. Can't wait for next year. It's going to be fun. Hopefully we'll have more in store. Jake, Jeff, you guys got anything else to add? No, but thank you so much for for joining us on this episode. I'm going to have Whitney say bye on the end of it. But so the guys sitting in the in the pilot's seat. But yeah, no. Thanks for joining us on this episode. It's been cool. We should definitely have you on again sometime. Like even not really talking about maybe any of your experiences, but just, you know, to kind of guest in. That'd be that'd be pretty cool. Yeah.

1:30:50 It's like it was it was really neat being at the being at the booth and Elmwood and then you coming up and being like, yeah, I've been listening to you guys for. Years, you know, it's just like really like, that's crazy. Like, I still want to be creepy, you know, be like instantly the Super fan. I'm like, no, wait a while. But I mean, but for real, like, you know, as far as I know, I mean, it took us, me and Jeremy talk about the origins all the time. But for real it really. Did take us a few practice episodes to get into the routine of talking to each other on the podcast and being like the audience is just to fly on the wall listening in on the conversation type stuff, right, like days after the recording.

1:31:35 But I never really expected to meet anyone that I that listened right and and that changed when I moved to Wisconsin. I had a Co worker that's been listening right? And he's just like, Oh yeah, you don't listen to your guys show. That's like, that's wild. Haven't you come up and being like, you know, I've listened to you guys for years and stuff like that. Like never would have expected that to actually meet someone besides like having them on like Kenzar and stuff like that. That's actually like, you know, is a fan and stuff like that was just a trip. And really what it put in perspective for me was that, you know, we're talking to real people. Like it's, it's just a weird thing. It's not just numbers on a screen of like, oh, so many listens or whatever it is, you know, we're actually talking to real people and you know, that we're impactful And just even if it's just like the comedy aspect or letting people kind of, you know, zone out for a little bit. That was the biggest thing for me. And Jeremy coming up during Kovid was just like, let's give them something that kind of takes their mind away from all the BS that's going on in the world right now for an hour, right type stuff.

1:32:44 It's like we really wanted to kind of press that in as well as talking about some cool stuff and, you know, maybe getting someone's voice out there for some weird experience they've had. But it was just like, there's a plethora of reasons, but it definitely like hit the mark for me is just like, oh, wow, this is, you know, this is pretty cool. You know, that we're, you know, maybe someone's at work and they're just listening to us to kind of zone out while they're doing their their job or whatever. You know, I listen to podcasts while I'm working on planes and stuff. You know, it's just, it's just what I do. But it it really was very, very neat to meet you and then having you on an episode. I mean, that's just super cool. And I appreciate you having the courage to come on and share your experiences and stuff and not caring what people think.

1:33:25 Like you said, you know, be growing up being the weird kid and stuff like that. I mean, I know Jeremy experienced that and he told me when he first had his when he first told me that Bigfoot experience. He's like, I don't want you to like get all weird on me, but I had this experience and he says that I said he was full of crap. He sounds like something I'd say, but I don't recall saying that but. Because you're saying. Have been like tell me more, tell me more. Yeah, right. But it's just like, you know, it's, it's cool. It's always cool having someone come on and tell us about what they've experienced, regardless of what we personally believe or think. Right. Really, when it comes down to it, it's, it's, it's like a cool story.

1:34:06 I don't know. It's just like it's, it's cool hearing other people's perspective and experiences and things like that, even if it's way outside the scope of what I personally am like, Nah, that's ridiculous, blah, blah, whatever it is. But I appreciate you coming on and you, you telling us your experiences and stuff and, and having this chat with us. And I never knew that my wife would end up being on a podcast episode after four years. You know so. Thanks to me. Thanks to me in the weird closet. Jeff, anything. No, man. Yeah. Glad you came on, bro. It's good to meet you. And it's good. It's been real. It's been fun. It's been real fun. He's ready for bed. I. Feel tired, guys.

1:34:47 I'm sorry. I'm so, I'm so tired, dude. We got to start doing these like, not late at night on a Sunday night, but you know. Not going to happen anyway. All right, thank you to everybody that showed up in the chat. Really do appreciate you guys stopping by. If you guys, you know, ever want to guest on the show and come and have a chat with us, just let me know. Yes, kid, that means you too get woke. Everybody in the chat that that sounded off today. Thank you guys. You guys are always more than welcome to to reach out and schedule an episode. Until next time, everybody. This has been another episode of the Infinite Rabbit Hole podcast. I'll see you the next fork in the path of the Infinite rabbit hole.

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