185. UFOs & Ghost Encounters w/ Skeeter

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Imagine that this line
represents a time in the present

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1985 Future Past prior to this
point in time.

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Somewhere in the.
Past the timeline skewed into

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this tangent, creating an
alternate 1985 alternate to You

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need an Einstein from reality
for everyone else.

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Welcome back to the Infinite
Rabbit Hole podcast.

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I'm your host, Jeremy, and
tonight we got a special guest

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in the house, but I'm going to
introduce him last.

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First, we're going to go to Jeff
today.

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Jeff with the big Bigfoot hat.
What's up to you?

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Oh, what's up, What's up, what's
up?

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Hey, you got to put the
microphone in your face.

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It's in my face, man.
How you doing?

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Good.
What you drinking tonight man?

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Water.
What?

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Good old water out of a plastic
cup.

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We got water.
Yeah.

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Well, that sucks.
I'm sorry.

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It's what it's OK because I also
have a tray of cookie dough

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here.
I'll see, yeah.

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I'm just eating.
I guess cookie dough doesn't

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really go well with liquor.
You cookie dough.

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Living life man, Just remember
living.

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In USA.
Moving on, Yakub, what's up

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dude?
You used my my original name?

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Yes.
Gosh I had a long day.

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But dude, the chickens are
laying eggs now.

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Yeah, we're going to have.
Dope.

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So we're going.
To have scrambled eggs, fried

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eggs, almost 5 of.
Them today.

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Boiled eggs.
A couple chickens so far, but

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yeah, and they freaked out and
we took them.

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The the hens that laid them were
just like in the middle of the

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the run, just howling.
Just they're so mad and it's

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just like they're not
fertilized.

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We're taking these from you.
They they took.

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New babies, yeah.
See, what you do is you you pick

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the eggs up and then you throw
them and there's a chance that a

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chick will hatch when it.
Oh yeah, like Minecraft?

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Yeah.
Based off of pure science, by

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the way.
Definitely science, yeah.

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So that's pretty cool.
And me and Whitney went and saw

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the New Beetlejuice movie and
you know what?

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It was OK.
I told Whitney I was like, it

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wasn't a waste of time, but I'd
be OK with never seeing it

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again.
I heard it was a direct sequel.

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Yeah, yeah.
And it was yeah.

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They tried a little bit too hard
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But I guess guess what I never
saw.

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The first one.
That's right.

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Yeah, that's.
Right.

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Wow.
And everyone knows.

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Sometimes some people refer to
me as garbage, some people

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don't.
Oh, and I took, I took Jeremy's

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kids while he was at work.
I, I snatched them up and I took

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them down and we explored a
Creek behind the house.

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So that was cool.
Yeah, yeah, they need that.

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Happy to have a father figure.
Appreciate that you're.

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Welcome.
You should probably phrase that

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differently next time you tell
that story.

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So I took them without
permission and like.

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I snatched them up and took them
down to the river I.

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Stole them and took them down to
the river in a van with no

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windows.
That's messed up, man.

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Well, while he was there, Jacob
got me a gift.

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Did you see this?
See this?

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Look at it.
It is.

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It is the Yeti Lager and Bigfoot
brewhouse.

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It's a little Halloween
decoration.

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Check that thing out.
Nice.

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Yeah, it's got a little Yeti and
a werewolf and and like a

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mermaid or siren.
I don't know what it is.

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Which one of the two?
Pretty sweet.

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Thanks, Jake.
You're welcome, dude.

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I'm at work and I get a text.
It's like, hey, I I left

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something on Jake's desk or on
Jeremy's desk and I was like,

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shit, he took crap on my desk.
Nope.

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I'm you never know.
I'm happy to learn that it was

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not a pile of shit sitting on my
desk.

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It's actually a nice piece of
art.

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I appreciate that.
Yeah.

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Gotcha.
All right, moving on to why

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everybody's here today.
We have a guest in the house.

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We actually got to meet this
guest face to face at UFO Days

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in Elmwood this year.
The one the only, the great

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Skeeter.
What's up, man?

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Howdy, howdy everybody.
So Skeeter, I've had questions

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for a long time.
Yeah, and I was saving it for

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right now.
How do you deal with this

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podcast?
I actually when I first started

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listening to you guys a few
years back, I was like, OK, I

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digged it.
I it was when you guys would

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always bicker over and you kind
of shoot off topic a couple

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times.
But I like that because it's

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more you don't feel it's
scripted too much.

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You know, it's loose play, you
know, talking.

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And that's what got me hooked on
you guys because you guys are

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always like, like you said, like
you say, a lot of times you

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don't have that echo chamber.
And I really dug that mostly

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about your show was there was
nobody 100% agreed with the

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other person.
Good.

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How'd you find us?
I was going through on Spotify

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and I was just searching stuff
and I was listening to another

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show that was almost the same
title.

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And I just like, oh, infinite,
there we go.

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And I was looking for the
infinite UFO rabbit hole.

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And I was like, oh, and I like,
oh, this isn't what I was

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listening before.
And I'm like, oh, wait a minute,

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I'll check them out.
I got some good topics.

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I'm like, all right, this is
pretty awesome.

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And then I was listening to
what's her name?

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Ashers.
No, not Ashers.

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It was a different show.
Ash.

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I haven't listened to her
podcast in a while.

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She lives in Vegas.
Who are you talking?

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Was IA guest?
Yeah, you're a guest on it.

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Was it the?
Re Paranormal show here, hold

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on, I'll just sorry, but I heard
you pop on there.

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I'm like, oh, maybe I should
really go back and the catalog

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and listen to the older
episodes.

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And that's when, yeah, I was
like, OK, I really got hooked on

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the show from the earlier ones.
And though I started halfway

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through, but yeah, that's where
I got to really like you guys

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when I accidentally stumbled on
you.

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And then I heard how your story
happened.

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And I was like, oh, wow, that's
really cool that he's actually

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going through.
Oh, it was into into the Frey

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radio.
Oh.

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Oh, Shannon Lagro.
Yeah, Shannon Lagro.

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Yeah.
So that's where I heard your

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story and I was like, oh, I'm
going to go back to the

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beginning and listen to every
episode.

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So that's why I started deep
diving into the show.

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And yeah, I just fell in love
with the guys just from the

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beginning or else.
Shit.

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Shit starting over.
They do a lot of stuff.

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She was recently working with a
good friend of ours, Jason

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Hewlett, on his cursed Waters to
Ogo Bogo story.

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Yep, through that small town
monsters branding that they do.

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So she's she's been quite busy,
but she's supposed to supposed

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to come on the show at some
point, but we'll, we'll see.

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She's, she's, she's a very, very
busy person and she likes to

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answer her emails like four
months after you sent them.

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Sounds about right.
But no, she's great.

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Shannon Legros is awesome.
Well, I'm happy to have you with

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us, man.
Oh, happy to be on.

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It was nice meeting you at UFO
Days.

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Mm hmm.
And the the reason why we have

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you on today is because you have
some stories to.

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Tell us yes, I do.
Story Skater.

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What's that?
You have stories.

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You come at us with
personalized.

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Playing.
Cards that have our own things

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on it.
And then you're going to come at

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us with stories, too.
I'd say experiences more than

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stories cause stories Sounds
like you make it up, but I had

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quite a few experiences.
Well, Jake, Jeff, do you guys

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have any questions or any
comments before we get going?

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No man, just thanks again for
the card that you brought to us

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at UFO Days.
That was cool.

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Thanks for the shout out on the
previous episode.

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Yeah.
Man, I have one more thing to

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read off.
I'm going to I'm going to do

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this for now on whenever we get
a review, whether it's positive

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or negative, What?
What are you?

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Just reacting to your now.
Was that too much?

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No, it was it was just perfect.
Thank you.

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OK.
I feel very important now.

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Well, we got a we got a five
star review the other day.

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It's been a long time since we
got a review.

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This comes from Haley.
So I want to say thank you to

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Haley.
Her review reads.

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If you're a fan of all things
strange, mysterious and out of

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this world, this podcast is a
must is a must listen.

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From UFOs and hollow earth
theories to Bigfoot sightings

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and ancient Mythologies dives
deep into the weirdest corners

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of science fiction and beyond.
The hosts have a knack for

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making even the wildest theory
sound plausible, blending humor

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and thought provoking
discussions.

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Whether you're a seasoned
conspiracy theorist or just

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dipping your toes into the
unknown, this show is an

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entertaining and mind bending
journey.

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Buckle up because this ride gets
wild.

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Well, thank you very much.
I really do appreciate that.

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Haley, that was that's awesome.
And again, like Jeff said last

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time, if you're in the chat, do
not click on any links in the

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chat.
They are not posted by us.

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So we have a couple people or
somebody jumped in the chat.

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Posted.
Some scammers in there.

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Listen, what we need to do just
make, we'll make somebody, one

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of my people, the moderator for
next time so we can just kick

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people out and delete chats like
that.

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OK, well, I don't know if we
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the show yet, but we've been
going live on Sundays, so

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there's that.
Yeah.

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Hey, hey, that's Haley right
there, by the way, that Get Woke

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444.
That is Haley.

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That that is the that is the
person who left that that

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amazing review.
So thank you, Haley.

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I see you're here.
I appreciate that.

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All right.
You guys ready to roll?

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Ready to roll?
Skeeter, what do we have the

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pleasure of hearing first Man?
Let's say UFOs there.

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There's been a lot of sightings
between myself and my wife even.

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We've had a lot of crazy
experiences in the past.

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Yeah.
So, But yeah, ever since I was a

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kid, I've always looked up at
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I always had that curiosity.
Is space real?

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Is there an end?
There has to be an end.

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All the fun conspiracy theories
or even thought provoking ideas

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of space.
I went through my whole life

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still undecided, but always
staring at the sky.

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Then all of a sudden I started,
jeez.

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I remember when it was around
10, I was just sitting in our

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yard.
Actually, this is the house I

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grew up in.
I bought it for my parents.

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But out this window there's a
roof.

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And I just lay on that at night
and stare at the sky.

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Well, one night I'm staring and
I'm like watching satellites fly

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by because I knew what they
looked like.

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And all of a sudden I see one
flying.

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It's a little brighter than
normal and I'm just watching

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away relax like oh that's cool.
It's must be really low.

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And the next thing you know it
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And I'm like, well, OK, I waited
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It still stood there or just
floating in the sky and next

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thing you know it's just slowly
getting bigger.

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And I'm like, well, is it
getting brighter or is it

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getting closer?
Which I still to the state could

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not figure out.
And next thing I know it just

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poof, gone, just vanished.
So that that was probably the

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one of the earliest ones I could
remember.

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So before you, before we
continue, I think it's important

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to talk a little bit about
location, right?

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So you're from Wisconsin, you're
from, you're local to us.

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How far are you away from
Elmwood?

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From Elmwood it was just what,
an hour and 15 minute drive?

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So to get to Menominee is or no,
It was an hour and a half to

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Elmwood and an hour and 15 to
get to Menominee.

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No, OK, so you're not far away
at all.

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No, you're well within the range
of all the weird shit that

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happens in Elmwood to to spread
over to you, right?

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Yep.
Because I've, I've recently come

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across some, some pretty cool
stories from Menominee.

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Probably not enough to do a
whole episode on, but, you know,

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at some point maybe we can scrap
together or something.

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But yeah, man, so it was.
It was pretty far up there

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though, you said, right?
Yeah, it was quite a ways up and

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then it just kept getting
bigger.

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I'd say the about the size of a,
you know, water bottle cap that

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was about as big as the ball of
light got and then gone.

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So about about the size of the
moon if you're standing on the

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ground, a little smaller, a
little smaller than that.

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Yeah, but like I said, it just
kept getting brighter or bigger,

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I wasn't sure.
So who knows?

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So it's getting brighter and
bigger.

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Was it a light or do you believe
it was a solid object?

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It was a solid whitish blue
light and it just like I said, I

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thought I was a satellite going
by at first and then it just

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stopped and just blew me away.
That just froze.

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And it just like, well, that
doesn't do, you know, satellites

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don't do that.
They don't just stop.

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So after that, yeah, I started
researching and UFOs and kind of

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got picked down in school
because I was the guy in the

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library checking out all the UFO
books and but it didn't bother

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me so.
It's alright.

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When I when I first told my my
Bigfoot story to one of my

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really good friends.
After I watched in Search of and

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found out that there was such an
animal as Bigfoot, I made the

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connection as to what I saw in
Vermont when I was a kid.

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I tried to tried to say the word
Sasquatch right and I didn't

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quite remember what it was.
And it came out something like

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Sammy Squanch or something,
something stupid.

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And then he was just like, what
are you talking about, dude?

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Like shut up.
So I, I myself also went into

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hiding and and was that weird
kid.

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No worries, man, you're with
family.

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I'm.
I'm still a weirdo.

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I don't care, that's who I am.
Jake, Jeff, you guys got any

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questions about that one?
Sorry, it was hard to hit the

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unmute button, so this light was
tiny.

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It was a tiny light, yeah.
Started off like when you

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normally would see a satellite
in the sky, just a little knot

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in the sky.
Jake, you're right.

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This thing tastes like shit.
That's horrible.

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Are you Skeeter?
Are you by an airport by chance?

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The closest airport back then
it's moved since then was about

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two mile 2 1/2 miles away from
here.

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Now the airport is about 6 miles
7 miles away from me.

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Is there?
Are you in the traffic pattern

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for takeoffs or landings?
The only traffic pattern that

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I'm in is for the helicopter,
for the hospital.

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OK, So they're plane traffic.
If it is, it's super high.

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And, you know, growing up just
watching this guy all the time,

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I learned what planes were.
And I had a cousin that was

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married to a pilot and he always
told us, you know, how to tell a

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plane at night.
So it's like, all right.

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So yeah, that's the only thing I
was, I was curious about because

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I was like, if you're in the
traffic pattern for landings

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like the on the other side of
the runway, then seeing that

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bright nose light that they have
from way out here and then

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getting closer and closer and
closer would make sense.

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You know, it's not uncommon for
people to mistake helicopters or

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planes for UFOs.
Yeah, sure.

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They did it in Elmwood.
Yeah, they did it in Elmwood a

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bunch.
Sometimes.

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Yeah, I was just like, just, you
know, I'm, I'm the was it?

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Well, my little tile says expert
skeptic.

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So I'm like, you know, always
trying to find out.

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OK, well, what could this be
rationally?

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But even myself, I've seen
things that, you know, I

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couldn't explain in a rational
sense without getting into, you

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know, the paranormal or, you
know, whatever.

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Jake has a wild video from when
he was in the service.

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I saw that.
Oh, you did.

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You showed me that.
That's freaking awesome.

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That was awesome.
Yeah, yeah.

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So he's.
Something that cool though.

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He's definitely seen some weird
shit.

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You saw something while you're
on the West Coast too, didn't

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you?
Yeah, yeah, I saw a a shiny.

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I'm not going to say it was a
disc because I couldn't really

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tell you, but it was very
reflective.

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But it was hovering above the
mountaintop where all of the all

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the radar antennas, all the
radar antennas were for the

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base, so.
You're talking about the one

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right next to the gate there
where you get on the Pacific

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Coast Highway.
Yeah.

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So because the the whole base is
kind of sitting inside of a

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bowl, so they put the radar
antennas on top of that really

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tall mountain back there so that
it can, you know, fan out to all

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the planes and all the helos and
everything circling around.

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But it was there for a good, you
know, I'm driving so I can't

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really whip out my phone and and
take a picture and I'm also

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turning.
But yeah, it was sitting up

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there just still and really
reflective.

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And I was like, I don't know
what that's at, what that is,

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you know?
Clearly swamp gas.

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What's that?
Oh yeah, swap swamp gas from

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Venus.
But yeah, so I mean, but even

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still, for myself, if I see
something weird, you know, I try

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to look at it in a logical sense
of like, you know, what could

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this have been?
Other than, you know, a UFO?

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It's like, obviously it's
unidentified.

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I don't know what it is, but
what could it be, right.

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Type stuff.
So I don't know, just curious.

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I I came across a really, really
cool topic while doing research

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for another topic today.
The Captain Thomas meant Mentel

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UFO case just as a brief
synopsis, right?

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It was he, he was a military
pilot and he was chasing he

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believed to be a UFO and he was
the very first casualty of such

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an act in in the United States
military history that that's on

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record at least.
But the official, the official

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statement from from the military
is that he was chasing Venus.

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He wasn't chasing a UFO, he was
chasing the planet Venus.

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So we're going to dive into that
one here soon.

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I.
Know that I know that story.

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Yeah, that's.
It's pretty nuts, man.

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I.
Kept climbing and climbing and

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yeah.
The the things that they'll,

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they'll tell you, you know, to
it's just absolutely.

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A trained pilot.
This is like a Who was this?

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This was captain, I don't know.
I think it was Air Force.

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So I think a captain in the Air
Force.

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Jake was at O3O2.
I don't know, something like.

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That they got weird ranks.
I don't know about the Air

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Force.
Yeah, it's, I think it's a lower

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ranked officer, obviously within
active pilot.

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You know, they're they're still
working on their their

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qualifications and everything at
that, that rank.

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And yeah, he was, he was
basically, I wouldn't say dog

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fighting because there were
there were no ammunitions

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involved, but he was definitely
chasing what he believed to be

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a, a flying saucer or some sort
of UFOI don't know yet.

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I haven't.
Yes, it is an O3 in both the

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Army, Marines and the Air Force
and the Space Force.

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It is an it is an O5 in the, in
the United States Navy, just so

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you know, Jake, in case you
didn't know.

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All right, Skeeter, back to you,
man.

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So what?
How how many UFOs have you seen?

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I quit counting after 100
because up here in the

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Northwoods, as you guys are now
experiencing, there's spots you

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could go out in the country.
No light pollution and a

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beautiful sky views.
And up here in my area, in the

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Barron County area, it's a lot
of space.

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Where I'm at in Race Lake, Yeah,
it's the brightest area.

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And then Eau Claire's an hour
away.

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You guys are an hour and a
quarter.

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Yeah.
It's very dark once you get past

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the big cities.
So growing up, that's, you know,

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late nights, that's all I did
stare at the sky.

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You guys said a story about
Elmwood and I was like, it just

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clicked a memory right back in
my head that my wife and I

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experienced several times.
I mean, for I'd say four or five

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years we watched this orange
light that had a black center to

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it.
But it always pulse.

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It always gets small, then big,
then small and big.

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And when we lived outside of
town, we're always driving the

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same Rd.
It wasn't every night, but maybe

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2 * a week we'd see it.
And we always said one of these

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nights we're going to chase that
down and figure out what that

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is.
And every time we're just like,

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Oh yeah, we got a full tank of
gas, let's go.

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So it'd start driving after it
gone, but we could sit on the

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side of the road and watch it
for 1/2 hour before it totally

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vanished.
Really.

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Yeah, if it like knew as soon as
we're going to chase it down,

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gone.
Just never saw it again.

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And then we moved from the
country into town and we haven't

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seen it for years.
And then last week it happened.

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Well, now it'd be two weeks ago,
and I shot you guys a message

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saying I saw it, that orange leg
again and I was going to get

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over, puller aside the road,
take a picture.

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Trees gotten away.
So I pulled up a little further

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and gone.
I just watched it zip right out

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of existence again.
That's wild.

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But Elmwood had the same story,
and I didn't know that story

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until you guys told it.
The stories I knew, they just

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saw a light in the sky, never
told us it was that orangish

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yellow light.
And I was like, oh wow, what a

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coincidence.
It's like it moved up the state.

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Yeah, yeah.
That, that orange light was

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pretty prevalent in Elmwood
stories and I was really trying

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hard to try to find somebody
from Elmwood that would talk

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about things.
We have somebody that we do need

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to reach out to Jacob and talk
to, talk to that person about

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their story, hopefully be able
to retell that here on on the

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show.
I don't know what we're going to

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be able to do with it as of
right now, but it seemed that

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Elmwood would have two separate
major craft in the sky, right?

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They would have the metallic
saucer shaped craft that

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everyone is used to, right?
That's the flying saucer.

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And then they had this bright
orange light.

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Now, the orange one.
There were a couple cases in

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Elmwood throughout the history,
throughout, you know, the 70s

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where the orange light actually
broke off into smaller, whiter

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white lights and red lights.
Did you ever see anything like

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that?
No, I've never seen that, but

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I'll tell you another story here
in a bit that'll make you really

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wonder.
Well, go ahead, let's hear it.

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So back when I had my day job,
I, I kind of left it after 20

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1/2 years, but we used to do a
lot of overtime and I get there

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about 4:00 in the morning along
with a couple other people.

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And right around 5:45, six
o'clock me.

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And this one lady would always
go out and smoke cigarettes,

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have her break before the day
shift comes in.

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So we're out there one day
smoking and talking.

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And also we kind of looked over
to the, you know, sun hasn't

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came up yet.
We're looking in the sky.

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And I'm like, well, that's
weird.

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And she, she even saw it too.
And she goes, yeah, it's, it

452
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:22,400
looks like an actual 5 pointed
star, like, you know, like a

453
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,200
silver star in the sky.
We're like, whoa, that's weird.

454
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,880
And we're like, I, I've never
seen a star look like that.

455
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,520
And then it kept getting closer.
It was moving in the sky like it

456
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:38,880
was about to go over us and
we're watching the star and

457
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,920
we're like, that's weird.
You know, it must be a light off

458
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,400
a plane.
Definitely has to be because the

459
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,600
airport is not far from that
direction where it's flying.

460
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,080
So we're thinking, you know,
light on the front of the plane

461
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,560
and we're just, it seems looks
like a 5 point star.

462
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,280
So we're sitting talking and all
of a sudden we look at it again.

463
00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:01,800
All of a sudden we see it go
from a star to like a BLOB.

464
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,720
And then next thing we know I
went to a straight triangle and

465
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,600
I'm like, OK, that's really
weird.

466
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,200
And then we watched it as it
floated above us.

467
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,280
No sound at all.
So not like a jet engine or

468
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,760
anything, but the weird part
about the way it looked when it

469
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:24,520
turned that triangle form was if
you know what a migraine aura

470
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,040
looks like in an eye, if you
ever have a migraine and you get

471
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:32,680
it, one of the optical auras
where it's like that weird

472
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,160
lighted effect, that's what it
looked like.

473
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,440
It wasn't bright white like a
like a whitish silver like it

474
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,360
started.
It was looking like that.

475
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,720
And she couldn't even describe
how the color looked.

476
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,520
She's like, I, I don't even know
how to describe that.

477
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,520
And I'm like, yeah, like it kind
of reminds me of my migraines

478
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:57,240
when I get an, an aura, a Fleck
or, you know, in my eye, you

479
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,480
know, and she's like, didn't
know what that was.

480
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,840
So I had to show her a video of
it.

481
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,920
And she's like, yeah, yeah,
that's what it looked like.

482
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,360
So we thought that was really
weird.

483
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:10,720
She got spooked didn't want to
talk about it again, but the

484
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,480
crazy part is almost a year
later, almost to the day or out

485
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,280
on break early in the morning
again here it comes again same

486
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,160
way started as a star went to
like that BLOB and then to a

487
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:29,840
triangle as it went over us and
still had that migraine aura

488
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,160
look to it.
It was just weird.

489
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,360
I it just that was the craziest
one.

490
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:39,720
That's the only one I saw shape
shift besides going small to

491
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,160
large.
Few, few things stand out to me.

492
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,840
One.
So you're saying you saw a

493
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,560
flying pentagram?
Yeah.

494
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,160
Yeah, like, you know, like the
kids, gold stars you get.

495
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,840
But it was like a whitish
silver.

496
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,480
It was, that's what stuck out.
And that's what made me think,

497
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,200
oh, it's an aircraft, the light
shining out from the nose, you

498
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,400
know, and but didn't stay that
way.

499
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,840
Interesting.
And then the aura is also

500
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,000
interesting.
Obviously, you know, Jeff will

501
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,680
tell you the, the US government,
they won't tell you, but will

502
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,800
tell you that they use cloaking
technology.

503
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,840
So curious if that was like a a
test test or something along

504
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:26,600
those lines.
And then TR 3B, that's the first

505
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:31,000
thing that came to my mind.
Jeffrey TR 3B You have nothing.

506
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,880
Yeah, I don't know.
I think maybe it could have

507
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:34,840
been.
I mean, if it's early in the

508
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,880
morning, I'm thinking it's
probably light reflections off

509
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,880
the sun.
I mean, I didn't see it, you

510
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,320
know what I mean?
So it's hard for me to just be

511
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,160
talking.
About the aura.

512
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,160
Well, no, the aura is like
weird, but the star like it's

513
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,640
shape shifting to me.
Like, that could be sun

514
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,720
reflection angle, you know,
angle of light off of an

515
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,800
aircraft.
And it's just like, you know,

516
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,080
that reflection could be shaping
shifting shapes, right?

517
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,600
But yeah, when you're looking up
at it and it's doing some weird

518
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,560
aura thing that I don't
understand.

519
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,960
I had I had to look up what a
migraine aura was.

520
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,400
I've never.
Had a lot of people don't know

521
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,680
what it.
Is so I was like, like Jeremy's

522
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,960
like, yeah, of course.
And I was like, OK, so I'm gonna

523
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,640
look this one up.
That's interesting.

524
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,760
Yeah, I've never.
I get high.

525
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,840
Greens so bad that I freaking
started seeing colors that

526
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,640
weren't there.
So my left eye I get like a

527
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,040
little blurry spot, like closer
to like the inside of my eye,

528
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,200
like you can kind of see it
right?

529
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,120
I don't know, right in front of
my nose.

530
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,040
It'd be like this little blurry
spot right there whenever I get

531
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,920
my migraines and it's.
Always the same spot, my right,

532
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,520
yeah.
Wild.

533
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:45,960
Yeah.
Damn Navy.

534
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaking of Navy, just so nobody
chews my head off listening,

535
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:55,120
Jake was so kind to correct me.
A captain is an O6 then maybe?

536
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,320
Thanks, Jake.
Yeah, I was counting it out.

537
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:03,480
I was like Ensign JG and IT
Commander, Commander, Captain.

538
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What a dumb ass.

539
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,120
It's alright.
I I served as enlisted.

540
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,680
I wasn't one of those people.
Yeah.

541
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,440
Never made it to khakis.
What a what a scumbag, man, let

542
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,000
me tell you.
Yeah, we're garbage.

543
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,240
Yeah.
So Skeeter, let's let's have a

544
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,560
little fun here, man.
What?

545
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,800
What do you think is in our
skies?

546
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:30,720
What do you think it is?
I can't totally settle on one.

547
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,440
I got a lot of thought
possibilities saving from.

548
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,920
Is it physical?
Is it not going to be

549
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,760
interdimensional?
Or could it be from our own

550
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:47,720
planet?
It's, it's hard to nail down for

551
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,440
me, you know, to nail down on
one concise thing.

552
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,120
Because until I could touch it
and you know, or get a closer

553
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,440
experience on it, I can't give
it an exact answer.

554
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,960
Well, I've, I've recently
bounced back and forth on what I

555
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,600
believe some of it is, but
let's, let's narrow it down a

556
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,600
little bit, right?
It's a, there's a good

557
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,760
possibility of it.
I really do believe so.

558
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:16,200
Let's narrow it down a little
bit.

559
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,760
Let's break them up into
categories, right.

560
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:23,920
So the orange light, do you have
any theories that?

561
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:30,200
I mean, I can understand where
people get that UFOs have a

562
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,040
psychic connection and be able
to hear your thoughts, but at

563
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:39,280
the same time, just to pick out
one car on a road on a big area

564
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:44,720
and who knows how far away it
was that I mean, I could see is

565
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,560
a possibility because every time
we had a full tank and we said

566
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,320
we're going to go chase it down
and disappear.

567
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,320
But any other times we could sit
and watch it, watch it, you

568
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,160
know, for 30 minutes before it
totally like fade away, just go

569
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,560
from big bright orange down to
tiny dot and gone.

570
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:06,480
So that one, I don't know, could
be physical, but psychic

571
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,200
connection.
Now, this silver star that

572
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,600
transformed into like a BLOB to
that triangle, like perfect

573
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,640
crisp triangle, that one I could
say could be interdimensional

574
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:25,400
because it could be from a
dimension that we cannot see

575
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,440
that well.
And the way I saw it, in the way

576
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,880
the witness that was with me
that saw it was like here today,

577
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,160
she still won't talk about it.
But when it's just her and I,

578
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,320
she'll tell me, yeah, just don't
talk about that anymore.

579
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,320
It still creeps me out that we
saw that.

580
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,000
But the way you know it, the
look of it, it made me wonder,

581
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,040
yeah.
Is that something

582
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,000
interdimensional from a
different, like 4th, 5th

583
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,120
dimension that we just cannot
perceive?

584
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,400
And this is the only way I could
perceive it.

585
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:58,520
You guys got any questions for
him?

586
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,920
Comments.
Spiritual beings are on a

587
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,240
different dimensional plan.
That's all I got to say.

588
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,440
Possible.
Yeah, I agree that we've had

589
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,640
this conversation 1000 times,
Yeah.

590
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:10,760
I don't know if they're
spiritual beings.

591
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,040
That's not.
I'm still waiting for you to

592
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,160
tell us this big news that
you've apparently cracked the

593
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,600
code that you're going to make
us wait until who knows when

594
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,360
the.
The Thanksgiving Thanksgiving.

595
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,960
Oh, maybe it's the Halloween 1.
So you don't even know.

596
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,600
I'm working on 2 two different
topics at the same time man.

597
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,880
I'm working on Thanksgiving and
a Halloween topic right now as

598
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,880
as we speak.
I'm doing this and research

599
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,640
right now.
How about what's today's date?

600
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,760
The 8th?
How about you reveal it now for

601
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,560
the 9/11 special?
911 Special.

602
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,840
This isn't this isn't even the
episode that's coming out this

603
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,080
week.
We have the the two government

604
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,120
UFO episodes coming out and then
this one.

605
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,240
All right, whatever.
Yeah, so you don't make any

606
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,200
sense, man.
Stop.

607
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,640
Suck it.
Whatever, dude.

608
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:12,600
Oh, all right, let's see.
Do you have any other left field

609
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,520
UFO sightings?
I have one other Being in

610
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,280
northern Wisconsin, everybody
loves hunting.

611
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,920
I was out deer hunting one time
and I was during bow hunting

612
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,360
season, so all the leaves were
still on the trees and pretty

613
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,800
green and just starting to die
out for the year.

614
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:38,560
But I was standing in my stand
and I'd had a nice 4x4 platform,

615
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,480
and I was 10 feet off the ground
and no wind.

616
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:46,840
It was a nice day out, a little
warmer than I'd like to because

617
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,400
I'm in a full ghillie suit with
my bow and arrow.

618
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,280
And out of nowhere I hear the
wind picking up.

619
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,120
And I'm like, OK, so I looked
behind me and nothing's moving,

620
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,560
but I could hear your leaves
moving.

621
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,000
And I'm like, well, that's
strange.

622
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,640
I'm like, well, maybe the breeze
is coming slowly.

623
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,840
So I kept watching and watching
and all of a sudden just one

624
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,400
spot of tree branches and leaves
were fluttering.

625
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,920
This was like a direct breeze
and it just slowly went right

626
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,440
alongside me about 20 feet away.
I could watch all the tree

627
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,360
branches and leaves moving in
this one spot and went from

628
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,120
behind me all the way in front
of me.

629
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,280
And I watched it go down because
I was up on a hillside watching

630
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:35,240
it making about a 40 to 50 foot
pattern of leaves moving.

631
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,320
But when it went past, none of
the other leaves are moving.

632
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,840
It just this one spot like it
was a fully cloaked whatever was

633
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,280
there I could not see, but it
was disrupting the leaves like

634
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,840
wind was blowing.
And I I was watching it go all

635
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,280
the way across the wood line
until I couldn't see on the

636
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,560
other side of the hill when it
was over that way.

637
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,720
So that was about 1/4 mile.
I watched that travel.

638
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaking of cloaking, I watched
a video.

639
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,520
It was an interview with a guy
who bought completely into the

640
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,560
Richard Sharp Shaver shaver
mystery that we talked about in

641
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:17,040
the Hollow Earth special about
the Darrows and the Taros in the

642
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,320
underworld with the the world of
the Titans.

643
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:24,920
And and he he basically
regurgitated his past life as a

644
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:31,160
molten Myon.
This semi, I'm not going to try

645
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,680
to explain it.
Listen to the episode ANYWAYS,

646
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,440
so this guy was completely
buying into the the Shaver

647
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,360
mystery and he was coming up
with all these explanations and

648
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:42,640
everything.
And one of the things that he

649
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,960
talked about was about how the
Darrow's can cloak themselves.

650
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,400
And when when you hear about,
you know, cloaked creatures,

651
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,680
such as people have these weird
encounters with a cloaked

652
00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:00,200
Sasquatch, which is supposedly a
common one, or a cloaked dog

653
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,560
man, or cloaked alien beings,
cloaked UFOs, some sort of

654
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,200
craft, right.
He explained that it was the

655
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,360
Darrows that were talked about
in the Shaver mystery.

656
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,600
Now, I don't know if I have 100%
by that.

657
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,280
I don't know if I have 10% by
that.

658
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,320
I don't actually.
I do know that I don't, but I

659
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,400
just, I don't know.
I heard that.

660
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,920
And I was like, I bet you this
guy would say that.

661
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:29,200
That's the Darrows.
Yeah, Jake agrees.

662
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,760
Jake is a big fan of the Deros.
He he, he, he's like, yeah,

663
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,600
definitely the Deros.
Yeah, man, I mean, if anyone has

664
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,160
ever listened to any of our
podcast episodes, they just

665
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,040
know.
I just rattle on and on and on

666
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,080
about the Deros.
Just.

667
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,760
That's right.
Just never shut up about them.

668
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,120
Sometimes I had to tell you to
show.

669
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,920
Yeah, it's like, alright dude,
enough about the deros.

670
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,320
Wouldn't it be crazy to find out
if like this, there's just the

671
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,240
whole time, for all of human
history, there's just been this

672
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:03,480
ancient alien, not even alien,
right?

673
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:08,600
They're here, This ancient
cloak, cloakable being, right?

674
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,440
Like Predators were running
around.

675
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,520
Maybe that's how like all the
people are missing, you know,

676
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,920
all that crazy stuff.
It's just there's actual

677
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,760
Predators on this planet running
around.

678
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,120
Well, I've always thought that
there's there's something in the

679
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,720
National Park system, right.
I mean, we, we haven't done a

680
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:26,200
National Park Mysteries episode
since, I don't know.

681
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,960
Yeah, it's been a long time.
Like a year and a half.

682
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,080
We're sort of making a comeback
with that with the Thanksgiving

683
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,760
episode sort of little bit.
It's a mystery.

684
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,400
It's not necessarily about
national parks, but it is, it is

685
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:42,840
interesting.
It's around the same genre.

686
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,560
So anybody who liked the
National Park mystery series

687
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,120
that we used to do, got
something special for you coming

688
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,000
for Thanksgiving.
If you hang tight till the end

689
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,320
of the episode, I will let you
know what it is and I will

690
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,000
delete it for everybody else.
That's that's listening and not

691
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:57,960
watching.
Yeah.

692
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,720
So just like I did with the last
episode when I, when I spilled

693
00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:03,480
the beans on the Halloween
series.

694
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,760
But anyways, what was I talking
about?

695
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,880
Oh yeah, that's right.
The, the, the, the cloaked

696
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:17,480
beings in the, in the National
Park system, Jeff, I, I wouldn't

697
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,200
be surprised, man.
I wouldn't be surprised.

698
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,560
I, I do think that a lot of this
stuff is connected, right.

699
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,360
Specifically, I'm going to talk
about hollow Earth and the

700
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,120
National Park system.
Teddy Roosevelt and his

701
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,400
obsession with hunting creatures
or mythological creatures such

702
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,640
as the Stanley Gaster and and a
couple.

703
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,600
I think he tried to man.
What was the name of that

704
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:42,920
freaking?
There's like a something

705
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,240
something bear down in Africa
that he wanted to go hunt to.

706
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,160
Then he had that run in with a
Bigfoot.

707
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,360
I believe that Teddy Roosevelt
set aside the national parks and

708
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,960
created the National Park system
to hide something.

709
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,880
I mean, these things are vast,
they're big.

710
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,440
There's tons of cases and
there's if you look at cases and

711
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,120
maps of the United States and
then you overlay.

712
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,560
The missing 411 map right on top
of it where you have all of

713
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:16,400
those David Plyte's clusters,
you will see that these national

714
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:21,240
parks are specifically laid
right over clusters of K

715
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:24,600
systems.
So it's, it's definitely some

716
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,720
interesting stuff.
I wouldn't be surprised,

717
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,480
Jeffrey, if it was the Darrow's
say Jake, I put it in there for

718
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,960
you if it was the Darrow's
coming up through the ground of

719
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,440
these national parks and
cloaking themselves.

720
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:44,600
Now, I recently did more
research into another topic, the

721
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,840
Halloween topic.
And if anybody knows who Albert

722
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,360
K Bender is, then you will know
what the the Halloween topic is.

723
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:53,760
But I'm not going to say it out
loud.

724
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,760
You guys have to Google that and
you guys will figure it out.

725
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:01,240
But Albert K Bender was also a
component to the idea of

726
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:05,600
Darrow's being on the earth and
having the ability to cloak

727
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,840
themselves both on the ground
and in craft.

728
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:14,320
Now, the the shaver mystery was
just absolutely stock full of

729
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,080
interplanetary travel traveling
in through large holes in the

730
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,240
earth to get down to the the
hollow.

731
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:27,560
So I I would think that if if,
if the earth is hollow, it would

732
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,640
have more than just two large
entrances at the North and

733
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,040
South.
In fact, I don't even think

734
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,880
those are there.
I think that there's other

735
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:38,200
entrances speckled across the
world, and I think that here in

736
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,240
the United States, the National
Park system would be a perfect

737
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:43,760
cover for those.
It's going to shake your head,

738
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:44,520
Jeff.
You're not going to say

739
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,280
anything.
Yeah, agreed.

740
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:51,160
No, I think definitely there's
probably some, let's say

741
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,560
untouched natural ones in some
national parks probably.

742
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,880
But I think some of the like the
ancient temples and things like

743
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,840
that may also be built on top of
some of these entrances, you

744
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,240
know, maybe under the pyramids,
right?

745
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:07,920
Or some of these like super
intricate, like like Indian

746
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,080
temples that you see like maybe
somewhere down in there there,

747
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,400
you know, Indiana Jones found
like a, a tunnel into the inner

748
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,640
earth or something.
Well, you had those pyramids

749
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,880
that were, you know, basically
caught carbon prints.

750
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,080
You had the Aztecs and then you
had a bunch of in Asia, you

751
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,280
know, in, in various parts of
the world, you had these the

752
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:28,840
architecture.
That's pretty much pretty much

753
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,520
like I said, carbon prints of of
architecture from halfway around

754
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:33,640
the world.
That's.

755
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:38,720
Because they were built by
demonic Nephilim prior to the

756
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,120
flood.
And then you can't, you can't

757
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,640
throw in a bunch of water and
expect all that stuff to move.

758
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,360
So they all stayed there.
And then people, when they

759
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,920
showed up, those spots moved in
and took them over.

760
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:50,800
Yeah.
There he is talking about the

761
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,160
Darrows again.
Obviously.

762
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,560
I mean, if you weren't such a
lepton, you'd know.

763
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,040
I don't know if that is.
Neither do I.

764
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:00,680
Is that an actual word?
Yeah.

765
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:01,920
Is it really?
Yeah.

766
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:03,880
I'm going to Google that real
quick then.

767
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,800
You're acting like a nematode
right now.

768
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,920
I know what a nematode is.
Yeah, well that's what you are,

769
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,920
a.
Lepton is a particle.

770
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,600
In physics, a lepton is an
elementary particle of half

771
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,480
integer spin, spin and 1/2 that
does not undergo strong

772
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,480
interactions.
How did you not know that

773
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:22,280
already?
I don't know.

774
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,800
Yeah, what an idiot, man, Let me
tell you.

775
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:26,520
Yeah.
You're.

776
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,200
Cool, good stuff man.
Skeeter, do you have anything

777
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:39,600
other than UFOs?
I've had many ghost experiences.

778
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:44,600
The joy of where I'm at now is
one block over is the cemetery.

779
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,480
So I've played in that cemetery
since I was a kid.

780
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:52,440
I never really got spooked by
cemeteries, probably because I

781
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,040
grew up next to one.
But a lot of different ghost

782
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,880
experience.
The craziest one I'd have to

783
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,480
tell you is when I was in high
school, everyone knew I was the

784
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,560
guy who was into weird stuff.
And like I said, still, yeah,

785
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,800
I'm proud to be weird.
Everybody else is weird,

786
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,560
abnormal.
Wear like a badge, man.

787
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,560
Yep, good stand.
I had some guys Take Me Out.

788
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,320
Some school kids are like, oh,
we heard about this haunted

789
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,160
house and you know a lot about
ghosts, can you help us?

790
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:23,840
And I kind of had a feeling it
was a setup.

791
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,800
I'm like, yeah, they're just
going to try to ditch me out in

792
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,600
the middle of nowhere, which I
figured.

793
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,280
And luckily it wasn't too far
out of town and I knew where

794
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,960
they took me was this one old
rickety house that was very

795
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:44,640
decrepit, about to fall apart.
And there's a cemetery about 1/4

796
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,160
mile from it that always has
been haunted.

797
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,360
Everyone always said so.
But supposedly the haunting of

798
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,080
that cemetery related to this
house, which it didn't when I

799
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,080
researched it, but they wanted
to show me that they saw

800
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,080
something.
They want me to help them

801
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,400
understand what's going on.
And so we're walking up to this

802
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,080
house, they go, we'll go around,
try to find other ways since

803
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:10,080
we're crawling between boards
and old broken windows.

804
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,040
And I'm getting ready for them
to take off some kind of half

805
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,320
listening for them to run and
watching where I'm going in the

806
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,720
dark.
And I started walking into this

807
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:24,200
one room and I'm like, Yep,
here's the setup.

808
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:31,760
White apparition, like somebody
in a real thin cotton sheet over

809
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,960
them lighting up from
underneath.

810
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,920
I'm like, yeah, this is a setup
for me.

811
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,520
So I was kind of mad and I
thought, well, I'll just tackle

812
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,120
down whoever it is.
So I ran towards it and it's

813
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,960
sitting by this window looking
out it and I ran along the wall

814
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,960
to tackle it down.
Nothing, just reach with my arms

815
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,480
to grab.
Nothing went right through it.

816
00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:59,280
But when I was going through it
is the weirdest thing happened

817
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:06,040
was it was like mist mixed with
the static electric.

818
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,280
It was the weirdest feeling I
ever felt and that's the only

819
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,640
explanation I could think of.
What it felt like was like a

820
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,520
mist with static electric in it.
It just and next thing I knew

821
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,280
was on the floor, turned around,
nobody was there.

822
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:26,320
Somebody screamed outside and
they started running and Yep,

823
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,440
they they're yelling ghost ghost
ghost run run.

824
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,440
And they left me out in the
middle of nowhere.

825
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,800
But luckily I had a friend that
lived 1/2 mile away so it was a

826
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:42,520
short walk.
But I've never thought an

827
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:47,760
apparition would actually have
like that sheet look so, because

828
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,480
ghosts I've seen before that
were just like normal human,

829
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:56,440
just a little more paler.
So I don't, I don't know much

830
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,920
about ghosts, right?
I don't, I know about some urban

831
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,600
legends that are based around
ghosts, like the Lady in White,

832
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,320
which is the first thing that
came to my mind when when you

833
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:06,680
were saying that.
But I'm going to be honest with

834
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,560
you, I don't know a ton that was
that was CJ's specialty.

835
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,160
And we no longer have CJ as a
host.

836
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,840
He's not dead.
He's doing.

837
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,040
He's doing a podcast about
autism now and it's actually

838
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,720
really awesome.
It's a really good show.

839
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:22,120
He.
He.

840
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,840
Fine, now that I know that he's
not dead, dude.

841
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,920
Yeah, he's he's he's doing some
really, really good stuff.

842
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,720
Proud of CJ.
But we don't have a host that

843
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:34,240
specializes in this stuff
anymore.

844
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:38,240
So if anybody listening that is
a specialist in this stuff that

845
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:41,520
thinks that they can take shit
from Jake, Jeff and I.

846
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,480
And we're a bunch of naysayers.
So we are a bunch of naysayers.

847
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:51,040
I love Seabiscuit.
The closest thing, and I don't

848
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:55,760
even know if it was a spirit,
but the closest experience I

849
00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:00,920
ever had was on the US and its
comfort when they, you know,

850
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,120
they were they were telling
stories about this little girl.

851
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,880
That's that runs around the
halls and an old janitor.

852
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:10,120
And one night I was sleeping and
I got my, the big toe on my, my

853
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,240
left foot pulled and I was like,
you know, because I'm be honest

854
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:18,680
with you, man, sleeping in the
Navy is awkward, right?

855
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,960
Especially in, in the, the rack
that I was in, because we didn't

856
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,480
have solid walls, especially in
between the feet.

857
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,600
So I was constantly playing
footsies with the guy like at my

858
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,840
feet, his feet were he's, he's a
tall guy.

859
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,240
I'm not a very tall guy.
So his feet used to come into

860
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:38,600
my, you know, my little area
here and he he would be doing

861
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,160
some late night stuff and I'd be
like, dude, you got to fucking

862
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,760
stop that shit, right?
Because you know, I got to be up

863
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,040
soon.
Stop it, knock it off, go do

864
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,000
that in the bathroom.
So.

865
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,920
Cranking.
Oh, man, let me tell you, I

866
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,680
don't know something something
about 2:00 in the morning.

867
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,800
This guy just loved.
I don't know what it was, but

868
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:02,480
and then one night like I just,
I just felt this, this felt like

869
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,960
somebody with with two little
fingers just grabbed my big toe

870
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:10,720
because I sleep on my on my on
my stomach and my feet were kind

871
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:14,360
of pointed down obviously.
And I just felt my big toe get

872
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,440
pulled out into or out out of
the wreck.

873
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,440
And I'm like, whoa, like, dude,
stop that shit.

874
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,960
And all of a sudden I hear a
little girl just he, he, he, he

875
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,720
just like running away.
I'm like, whoa.

876
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,720
That was the only thing that
I've ever, ever had.

877
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,520
And I mean, I think that that
woke me out of a dead sleep.

878
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:38,680
So I mean, I, I can't 100% say
that it was a spirit.

879
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,760
I can't 100% say it was a little
girl.

880
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,160
But I can tell you what I felt
and what I heard or what I

881
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,200
believe I heard, you know, and
that's the closest thing that I

882
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,240
have, right?
I don't, I don't have any other

883
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:52,640
experiences when it comes to
supernatural beings, you know,

884
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,840
spirits or ghosts or
poltergeists or, or the such.

885
00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:00,560
So I really don't have a lot of
information for you on that, but

886
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,920
it is pretty interesting, man
Definitely cool.

887
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,880
I have had several, I guess
you'd call him ghost

888
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,840
experiences.
And the last one, I told him

889
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,600
straight to his face, it's like
ghosts aren't real.

890
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,040
And he's like, oh, he went, went
away.

891
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,120
And I was like, get off my
porch.

892
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,920
I'm not giving you any candy.
Could have been in a costume.

893
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,600
I don't know.
But anyway, it was during

894
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,480
Halloween, so I don't know.
The jury's still out on that

895
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:27,240
one.
But no, I've had several

896
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:30,200
experiences like that.
I don't know.

897
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,240
I have, I have such mixed
emotions when it comes to ghosts

898
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:38,480
because it's always some story
of like some, you know, 1800s or

899
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,120
whatever, sort of like horrible
murder, blah, blah, blah, this

900
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,320
sort of stuff.
It's never the hipster that

901
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,160
dropped his vape and went back
to getting got slammed by a bus

902
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,640
or something.
You know, it's just like, oh,

903
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:53,080
he's always wandering around,
you know, the Main Street

904
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,800
looking for his vape.
You know, who have you seen my

905
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:56,800
vape?
Who?

906
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,200
You know, it's always just like
some freaking like who in the

907
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:05,080
1600s in the Civil War.
And it's like, OK, yeah.

908
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:10,080
You know, even like, you know,
young Earth folks like myself,

909
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:14,000
you know, like they'll tell you
that like 85 billion people have

910
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,200
existed on the Earth in the last
like, you know, 20,000 years.

911
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,440
And it's like it and the
entirety of it, right?

912
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,760
It's like that's a lot of ghosts
that's you're bumping into them

913
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,000
at the beach, you know, type
stuff, you know, you know, just

914
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:29,960
like it's like, ah, get off of
me.

915
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,680
He's everywhere, right?
So I got such mixed emotions on

916
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,560
it and stuff.
But yeah, CJ was definitely our

917
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,760
go to guy for that.
But even still, with all the

918
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,200
stuff he could rattle, I'd be
like, yeah, you're full of crap.

919
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:45,640
But even still, I've had plenty
of, I guess, ghost experiences

920
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:51,880
that I, I really can't explain.
Like when I was in Pensacola, FL

921
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,880
for training this last time, I
was basically the general rule

922
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,400
was for the barracks, the
families, if you're coming to

923
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:05,200
visit your sailor could go in
the lobby, but only the sailors

924
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,880
could go to the, you know,
second and third floor or 4th

925
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,880
floor or whatever to go to their
rooms.

926
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,680
So they had to come down to you.
So you had to call them down and

927
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,760
that sort of stuff.
So I'm coming downstairs, I'm on

928
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,320
the 2nd floor and I see this
little girl in a white ruffled

929
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,880
dress and she's, you know,
hauling around a corner.

930
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,000
And I'm just like, oh, shoot,
you know, someone's daughter or

931
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,720
whatever is on the loose or
younger sister, whatever.

932
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,960
So I go and I turn this corner
and she's not there anymore.

933
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,000
And I'm just like, OK, so I go
downstairs to the main desk and

934
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:39,320
I, I tell the watch there, I
said, hey, there's a little girl

935
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,680
that's running around on the 2nd
floor, just a heads up.

936
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,840
And he was like, was she like a
blonde with like a little white

937
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,360
dress and stuff?
And I was like, yeah.

938
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,400
And she's like, yeah, she's a
ghost.

939
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,880
She's been haunting this base
for like 100 years.

940
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,720
And just like, OK.
And he's like, yeah, she was, I

941
00:52:56,720 --> 00:53:00,320
forgot the story, but she was
like drowned and at the beach or

942
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,240
was murdered or something,
something along the lines of

943
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:05,120
that, whatever.
But I ended up actually finding

944
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,680
the archive news story of this
little girl.

945
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,800
And so it kind of tripped me out
a little bit.

946
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,920
And I was like, hmm, that's a
weird one.

947
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:18,640
And then when I was in the Navy,
the 1st, when we were in Nas,

948
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,200
Oceana, Virginia, the barracks
we were in used to be I guess

949
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,440
like a psych ward.
And you could see by the lobby.

950
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,600
And the way everything was set
up is definitely like, yeah,

951
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,560
this used to be like a hospital.
And they said the third floor

952
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,840
where everyone's where I slept
was, you know, or it was it was

953
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,760
a small hospital, like an urgent
care.

954
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,760
And the third floor was like,
kind of like a impromptu psych

955
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,360
ward type stuff.
But I've seen light switches

956
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,720
flick themselves on and off
because I was roving, you know,

957
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,840
at 3:00 in the morning, the
light switches have to be on

958
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,080
because in case of emergency,
you can't have, you know, 500

959
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,000
people stumbling around the
dark, right?

960
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,760
So, you know, you can't see the
light in the hallway in your

961
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,960
bedrooms because there's a
common area and then two

962
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,080
separate bedrooms.
So the lights have to stay on

963
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,480
24/7.
And so I'm roving every hour and

964
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,800
someone's jacking around.
They keep turning this light

965
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,640
off.
So I'm turning them on as I go.

966
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,640
And I'm like, this is getting
dumb.

967
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,800
And so I, I decided to sit
around for a second to see who's

968
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,320
going to pop out of their door
and flip the light switch off.

969
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,520
And I literally watch it flip by
itself.

970
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:19,640
And I was like, all right, I'm
out.

971
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,240
I'm like, I'm good.
I just like just dip right.

972
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,480
And they're, they're those hard
flips.

973
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,800
They weren't, you know, little
loosey goosey switches where

974
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,560
they could just kind of fall
under their own weight.

975
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,800
Like you actually had to, you
know, flip them.

976
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,320
So it was just like, you know,
one of those things.

977
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,600
And it was just like, all right,
you know, I can't explain it,

978
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,680
But if I was to go in that
direction, I would say it's a,

979
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,680
you know, spiritual force, but
in like, a demonic, angelic sort

980
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,960
of way, right?
Something like that.

981
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,320
I don't think the people, like,
linger around for unfinished

982
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,760
business or their energy exists
or whatever it is.

983
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,200
But I have had my own fair share
of experiences that I'm like,

984
00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:59,320
yeah, that's a weird one.
Yeah.

985
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:06,120
So, yeah, I, I've, I've thought
the, the, the topic was always

986
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,240
interesting, right?
And I probably should do a

987
00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:12,920
little bit more paranormal stuff
or supernatural stuff, but I

988
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,160
don't, right.
And that, that was kind of the

989
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:20,160
basis for I was researching a
different topic and I came

990
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:28,280
across Ndes and the topic was
spiritual or ghost and you know,

991
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:33,000
that kind of stuff.
And I don't know, man, it's,

992
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,720
it's so tough.
I, I want to tie something

993
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:38,840
practical to it, right?
It's an unpractical topic, but I

994
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,040
want to tie something practical
to it.

995
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:41,360
I don't know.
It just doesn't make sense, but

996
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,080
I don't.
Know.

997
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:47,480
I don't know, it's, I wish we
had somebody who could, who

998
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,880
could speak on this
intelligently, like Jeff.

999
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:52,600
Maybe Jeff could say something.
He won't, but he, you know,

1000
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,120
maybe, maybe he could say
something.

1001
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:55,800
So just sitting there not
talking all day.

1002
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:01,200
Anyways, our old our old Co host
Kenzar kid is in the chat right

1003
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,840
now.
So in case anybody didn't know

1004
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,600
who that Kate Turtz was, that is
that is our old Co host.

1005
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,960
So Skeeter, you, you got blessed
with kid today.

1006
00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:16,360
Yeah, what's up, kid?
I mean, I I've said before what

1007
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,520
I think goes are I'm not really
big in a paranormal either

1008
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:23,720
personally, but I have a problem
with like the whole time

1009
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,080
situation.
It you know, the the linear time

1010
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,440
thing, why is it always look, I
also agree with Jake.

1011
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:31,960
First of all, that's a problem
for me.

1012
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,400
Why isn't the dude with the vape
being haunting some spot?

1013
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:39,360
But also like, why isn't there
hauntings of things that haven't

1014
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,960
happened yet?
If this is like like times, not

1015
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,120
linear and we're talking about
some inner dimension, right?

1016
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,200
Where this isn't, they're not
here in this reality.

1017
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:49,960
I don't know.
This is this too much for me to

1018
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,880
think it's just ghosts in our
pop culture, kind of like

1019
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,880
mindset.
See, that's kind of the the

1020
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,280
route I go on too.
I go, I go very much into that.

1021
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,360
We did get a comment by the way,
from Get Woke 444.

1022
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,520
Yeah, I was just reading that.
I, I like it.

1023
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,560
It says could be energy imprints
left behind by intense emotions

1024
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,520
or some type of traffic tragic
events.

1025
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,200
Maybe we don't see the kid who
lost his vape because it wasn't

1026
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,760
that big of a deal.
I've always been curious about

1027
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:19,800
that.
I I don't know.

1028
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,960
They make us question the
boundaries of reality and what

1029
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,000
lies beyond.
Who knows, maybe it's a time

1030
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,080
thing, right?
Maybe.

1031
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,920
Maybe we only see like these
Victorian ghosts because there

1032
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,040
has to be a certain amount of
time.

1033
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,240
Maybe it's got to be 203 hundred
years.

1034
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,720
Maybe in 203 hundred years it's
going to be nothing but dead

1035
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:36,560
vape smokers.
The.

1036
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:42,480
The Intergalactic Federation of
Light hasn't declassified the

1037
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,560
haunting yet for another 4000
years.

1038
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,000
Sounds about right.
The next congressional hearing

1039
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,480
that we're going to be talking
about here is going to be the

1040
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,880
release of all the classified
documents on ghosts.

1041
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,920
Yeah, but instead of them not
releasing the JFK files for

1042
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,000
another 70 years, that's like
that's what they did with a

1043
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,880
relation.
Yeah, they just do like another

1044
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,240
200 years for the next, you
know, haunting.

1045
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,080
That's what they did with the
UFOs, man.

1046
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,320
Yeah.
Anyways, good stuff.

1047
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,640
Yeah, Skeeter man, sorry, don't
really have much to much to go

1048
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,120
off there man.
Yeah, ever.

1049
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:25,360
My idea on ghosts, I'm not 100%
settled on, like Jake said, You

1050
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,760
know, if it's true, it's all
people's energy.

1051
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:30,640
They'd be everywhere.
Everywhere we go.

1052
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,000
It would be bumping into them
non-stop.

1053
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,160
Very true.
I mean, you, you couldn't go to

1054
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:36,680
the bathroom in peace ever
again.

1055
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,640
Yeah, you know.
Someone would always be watching

1056
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:43,320
you.
So here's here's what I what I

1057
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,680
deduce.
All right, So what get woke said

1058
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:51,280
about, you know, a tragic event
or something like that, right?

1059
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,120
So that seems to be the go to
thing.

1060
00:58:53,520 --> 00:59:00,600
So statistically speaking, about
400,000 people die worldwide

1061
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:05,760
every single day.
Most of those are not in a

1062
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,200
hospital bed surrounded by their
family members.

1063
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:12,520
You know, whatever it is, it's
car accidents, it's heart

1064
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:18,920
attacks, it's, you know, getting
shot, it's getting stabbed.

1065
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,560
It's, you know, all sorts of
things being murdered one way or

1066
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,840
another.
You know, that's just a general

1067
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:32,080
statistic.
So most people go out in a way

1068
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:36,720
that is not oh, I'm here
surrounded by my loved ones and

1069
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,040
I'm pass passing into the void,
you know, all that sort of

1070
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,160
stuff.
It's it's horrible, tragic,

1071
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:46,560
sudden events, unplanned, you
know, deaths, things like that.

1072
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:51,360
So there would be so many
ghosts.

1073
00:59:52,200 --> 01:00:00,040
It would be crazy, you know,
then versus the every so often

1074
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,040
onesie twosies or you go into
the, you know, there's an old

1075
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,240
cemetery and there's some civil
war guy in there type stuff.

1076
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:11,200
Like it would be constant.
I mean, as far as like civil war

1077
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,960
type stuff goes, I mean, there's
genocides going on across the

1078
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,880
pond in Africa right now, right?
So it's just like there'd be so

1079
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,680
many ghosts.
So it just.

1080
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,280
It doesn't sit well with me to
say like that's the thing, it's

1081
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,400
got to be something horrible
because it's always there's

1082
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:27,960
always something horrible going
on, right?

1083
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,360
Like Ground Zero at 911 would
probably be one of the most

1084
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,920
would be the most haunted place
in the United States.

1085
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,560
But I don't know of a single
ghost story that has come out of

1086
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:41,120
that place.
That is a horrible tragic event

1087
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:42,680
coming.
You know, here we are talking

1088
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,840
about it on the 8th, right?
So couple days and we're we're

1089
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,720
there for the the anniversary.
But yeah, that would be the most

1090
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:50,840
haunted place in the United
States.

1091
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,360
But it's not right.
Why is it because it's baloney.

1092
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,600
But I'm not going to say that
stuff doesn't happen, right?

1093
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:01,640
That it that we still don't get
those weird, you know, whatever

1094
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:05,120
you want to call it, you know,
a, a wisp of like, you know, the

1095
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,640
afterlife.
Now, I have seen other people

1096
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:12,120
that have come out from, you
know, like a like a Christian

1097
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,600
testimony of someone who's come
out of the world of like medium

1098
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,480
type stuff and fortune telling
and people that, you know,

1099
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,960
believe they're contacting
people's dead relatives and

1100
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,200
stuff to check up on them and
stuff like that.

1101
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,600
And have said, yeah, all that
stuff was super demonic.

1102
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,280
I was talking to demons that are
pretending to be these people

1103
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,640
because they've existed since
before these people were born

1104
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:35,600
and knew everything about them,
right?

1105
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,760
And we're just pretending,
right?

1106
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,720
So there is that.
And that's a very common thing.

1107
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:44,640
So, you know, when I dig into
it, I'm just like, I mean, yeah,

1108
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,440
I mean, we could call it
whatever we want.

1109
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,240
You know, we could put any sort
of a name on.

1110
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,360
It doesn't have to be ghosts.
We could say apparitions or

1111
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:54,000
spirits or whatever it is.
But in my Christian worldview

1112
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,840
and my, you know, what I see is
that, you know, all that stuff

1113
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,440
is pretty evil because very
rarely do people have that sort

1114
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:01,720
of an experience.
And they're like, yeah, it was

1115
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:03,520
so uplifting.
It was so positive.

1116
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:07,440
They're like, I was horrified.
You know, I was scared, right?

1117
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,240
And it's like, OK, well, what
causes fear and deception and

1118
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:11,960
all that sort of stuff?
Well, that's Satan, right?

1119
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,760
So it's just like, you know,
yeah.

1120
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,760
I mean, it is still, it is
definitely one of those topics

1121
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:23,440
that I think I've been somewhat
nervous to dance to, to kind of

1122
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,960
toy around with when it comes to
the podcast because I just don't

1123
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:29,800
want to give it any like room in
my brain of like, I don't want

1124
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,880
to research it or anything like
that because I don't want to,

1125
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,080
you know, give it any sort of
space or limelight.

1126
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:40,400
But I mean, in the, I guess
platform we have of the infinite

1127
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,320
rabbit hole, it is something
we're going to have to broach at

1128
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,080
some point.
But yeah, I don't know, there's,

1129
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:47,040
there's a lot of questions
there.

1130
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,520
So it should makes for some good
content, you know?

1131
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:51,840
I mean, you're the skeptic, you
play a role, right?

1132
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,600
So like, if if I present
something and you're like, this

1133
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,600
is horseshit.
Just I mean, do what you do with

1134
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,920
everything else.
Talk about terrorists, right?

1135
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,720
Let's see Skeeter.
Anything else for us man?

1136
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:12,640
I mean, we could go on for
hours.

1137
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,520
Well, we don't have hours.
I know, but I'm just saying so

1138
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,440
but fun.
I'll I'll give one more fun

1139
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,120
fact, but what Jake was just
talking about mediums.

1140
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:30,360
I I don't believe in a lot of
mediums except for the few that

1141
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:33,720
I've are fortune tellers.
I should say not mediums but

1142
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:37,240
more fortune tellers.
I could always tell the ones I

1143
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:41,720
went to, they give you this
whole long baloney story.

1144
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:47,040
Only twice have I been to where
a sidekick fortune teller.

1145
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,240
One time she just looked at me
as soon as I walked in and

1146
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,320
pointed to get out, get out, get
out right now.

1147
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,600
Get out now.
I am not dealing with what you

1148
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,280
got and I'm you're.
Going to be on that stupid

1149
01:03:58,280 --> 01:03:59,920
fucking podcast.
Get the fuck out of here.

1150
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:06,200
Yeah.
And then another time, well,

1151
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:11,160
even that first one, buddy, mine
went in a little while later, it

1152
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,080
was a few days later and asked
him, you know, he walked right

1153
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,960
in, didn't say nothing to him
like that just gave him a whole,

1154
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:21,200
you know, small talk stuff
about, you know, people who

1155
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,440
passed.
And he said she was right on.

1156
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,280
And I'm like, really?
And I he goes after I got done,

1157
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,520
I asked her, I said, do you ever
had to turn people away?

1158
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,040
And she goes, yes, not long ago
I did.

1159
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,560
And he goes, well, what
happened?

1160
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:37,080
She was there is so much
following him behind him.

1161
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:41,520
I just could not deal with it.
And the second time I got turned

1162
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:45,080
away is we my wife and I were
down in Eau Claire.

1163
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,240
There was a lady of a student
down there for a while.

1164
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:53,840
And I just say second and third
time we pulled up in the drive

1165
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,080
instantly she walked, turned the
close sign even though it was

1166
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:00,480
like 2-3 hours left when she was
supposed to meet people.

1167
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:04,080
She goes, I'm close, I'm close.
Nope, sorry, close.

1168
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,640
And I was like, why?
I just, that's how I could tell

1169
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:11,520
if it's a real one or not.
Because why can you talk to some

1170
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:15,600
people but me you're like, Nope,
there's too much about you and

1171
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:17,960
too much following you.
I can't deal with it.

1172
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:22,760
So I want to open up the
questions to the chat.

1173
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,880
If anybody has a question for
Skeeter, please post it.

1174
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:33,400
Until then, I have only had one
run in with somebody who

1175
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,040
believes that they are.
Demon.

1176
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,520
It's always demons.
That's the sky.

1177
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:40,720
Yep.
Yes, Sir.

1178
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:46,200
Can't possibly be anything else.
When when we first started the

1179
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:50,040
podcast, there was a woman who
used to get in touch with me all

1180
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,160
the time.
She still does, still gets in

1181
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,040
touch with me.
No, not going to say not.

1182
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:55,920
Going to say names, not going to
say names.

1183
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:59,840
It's like saying Voldemort in
the in in the Lord of the Rings

1184
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,480
in Harry Potter.
Don't even say the name, just.

1185
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:08,600
I don't get that.
But anyways, she would like day

1186
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:12,640
after day after day, I'd wake up
to like, hey, I had a dream

1187
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:16,960
about you last night.
Hey, I had this weird dream and

1188
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,920
you were flying an airplane and
it crashed.

1189
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:22,240
Do you think that has any, any,
any correspondence with with

1190
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:25,560
something going on in your life?
I'm like, no, it doesn't, not at

1191
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:26,840
all.
And she's like, but you're

1192
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:28,480
getting out of the Navy and you
work on aircraft.

1193
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:29,880
Maybe that's the crash of your
life.

1194
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:34,080
And I'm like, OK.
And I still get.

1195
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:35,720
I still get.
Messages from her.

1196
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:40,600
Oh boy, I remember this.
I still get messages from her

1197
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,520
like every so often and it'll be
random.

1198
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:49,080
It'll be something super out of
left field, just like, hey, you

1199
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:53,160
were in my dream the other night
and we were we were making Stew

1200
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:58,360
and then you wanted to add Pixie
sticks to it.

1201
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,360
And does that does that mean
anything to you?

1202
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:08,520
Yes, yes it does.
You don't want to know, but yes,

1203
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,360
you're you're spot on.
I'm going to find out one day

1204
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:16,840
that she's actually like,
literally spelling out your your

1205
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,640
existence.
You're just like turning a blind

1206
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,760
eye to it.
Gosh, it's just like the gypsy

1207
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:25,680
woman fed this meal would be so
much better with Pixie sticks.

1208
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:33,120
Not yeah, one day I'm going to
be making a Stew and I'm going

1209
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,760
to look at some Pixie sticks
sitting on the on the counter

1210
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,440
for my kids Halloween basket and
be like, she was right.

1211
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,640
Could be this year, could be
this year yet.

1212
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,240
Well, anything else, Skeeter?
Anything.

1213
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,680
Like I said, I got a lot.
I mean, this house is full of

1214
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:58,360
shadow people.
This closet behind me.

1215
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,160
I never told my daughter, but
this used to be my room when I

1216
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,920
was a kid.
That closet is the weirdest

1217
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,560
closet in the world.
It gives you a weird feeling.

1218
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,120
We moved in here.
I didn't tell my kids anything

1219
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,080
about this house.
My daughter, after she moved

1220
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:16,560
out, she goes, I don't know what
it is, but that closet, it's not

1221
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,680
scary, it's not evil, it's
weird.

1222
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,640
She was every time I'd go in
there, it was weird.

1223
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:24,920
And I'm like, OK, I never said
nothing to her.

1224
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:28,920
So I know OK, that's two people
experiencing same thing.

1225
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:33,560
Then my one son went into it and
he goes, why is this weird

1226
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,640
feeling like it doesn't feel
like it's the house.

1227
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:39,279
I'm like, I don't know.
So portal.

1228
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,560
Dad, why is there why is there a
hipster in your closets?

1229
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:48,319
No monsters.
We have one of those so this if

1230
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:52,479
I leave right here, right and
I'd hang a left instead of going

1231
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:55,520
straight up the stairs, the
guest bedroom, Jeff knows it was

1232
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,640
to the right.
If I hang a left, that's the

1233
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,080
utility room.
So it has the water heater, the

1234
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,279
boiler, all that sort of stuff
in it right.

1235
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:07,680
And soon we'll have our softener
and all that stuff.

1236
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:11,880
But anyway, inside that room,
there's a another closet and

1237
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:15,520
it's, it's short, the door is
probably 4 feet tall.

1238
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,600
And you open it up and there's
no lights in there.

1239
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,800
And it's underneath the stairs
and there's a chalkboard in

1240
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,479
there.
And I get a weird feeling in

1241
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,800
there, like this was the
punishment room.

1242
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,560
It's so weird.
There's like a full size.

1243
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:32,240
Chokey dude.
What?

1244
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:34,399
You got the chokey in your
house.

1245
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:36,520
It's.
It's very strange.

1246
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,040
I'm just.
You know that reference?

1247
01:09:38,359 --> 01:09:39,840
No.
Is it from Matilda?

1248
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,920
No, from Matilda, man.
I haven't seen that movie in

1249
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,880
since it.
Came the chokey brother she used

1250
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,840
to terrify me as a kid.
I had a teacher.

1251
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:53,000
I had a teacher that was like
the trunchable Bros, just like

1252
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,680
that bitch, Yeah.
Make you eat a big chocolate

1253
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:56,960
cake.
Eat it.

1254
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:02,440
Blood, sweat and tears.
Yeah, it's it gives me like a

1255
01:10:02,440 --> 01:10:04,840
weird vibe to it.
I don't know.

1256
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:07,800
And it's just like there's a lot
of abuse that happened here.

1257
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,240
I just kind of feel it.
And I talked to my neighbors

1258
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,400
because we've only been,
Whitney's been living in this

1259
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:15,960
house since November.
I've only been here since

1260
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:19,040
January.
But Whitney or we'll talk to the

1261
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:20,800
neighbors and they're like, Oh
yeah, those people were total

1262
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:22,160
shut in.
They had a bunch of kids.

1263
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:26,200
They're like four or five kids
and they never went outside.

1264
01:10:26,480 --> 01:10:29,440
You never saw them outside.
You never saw them at any of the

1265
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:32,120
community events like these,
these folks here, this

1266
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:36,200
neighborhood that we're in, like
they have a like every six

1267
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:39,080
months they have like a block
party type stuff and they're

1268
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,440
like, you never saw them out at
any of that sort of stuff and

1269
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:42,800
anything.
And I just kind of walk into

1270
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:44,600
that space.
That's where I keep like the

1271
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:46,080
ammo and stuff.
And right.

1272
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,160
So like all the ammo cans and
stuff, I just kind of throw in

1273
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:50,320
that that little closet, but I
like walk in there.

1274
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,600
I'm like.
Weird idiots left that house.

1275
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,400
Huh.
They got to worry about is how

1276
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,800
many kids left that house or
property.

1277
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:00,520
You got kids in your walls,
Jake.

1278
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:04,040
I don't know.
I'm not going to go looking

1279
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:05,360
around to find out tell you that
much.

1280
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:09,200
Just do the shave and the
haircut knock, you know.

1281
01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:15,600
Yeah, and if I get a knock back
back, well, Whitney, pack it up

1282
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:22,760
or move it.
All right, well, before we go,

1283
01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:26,480
I'll go ahead and and do what I
promise I'll.

1284
01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:28,560
I'll let you guys know what
we're going to do for

1285
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,920
Thanksgiving.
Anything else, anybody?

1286
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:34,440
You guys want to reply in the
chat to Whitney and she said

1287
01:11:34,440 --> 01:11:36,880
nothing weird has happened here
for his house to not have weird

1288
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,880
stuff happened because you don't
know what I did in the basement

1289
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:45,600
when I was staying there.
There's kids in your sheets.

1290
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,560
You.
Want me to call her and see if

1291
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,200
she'll come downstairs and and
tell what happened in our old

1292
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,760
house?
Yeah, I mean if you if, if you

1293
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:54,080
want.
Let me give.

1294
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:56,400
Her tell her, tell her to hurt.
Make it snap.

1295
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,440
Waka, tell her make it snappy.
Make it snappy.

1296
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:01,160
Past my bedtime.
You don't have to call her,

1297
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:04,320
she's literally watching.
Oh well.

1298
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:05,960
Yo Wovens.
Calling her anyway.

1299
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:10,240
You want to talk to the world?
Let's do this.

1300
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:11,360
Yeah, for real.
I'm.

1301
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:13,400
Busy watching a show Leave me
Alone video.

1302
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:17,360
Games.
So she's probably like now.

1303
01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:21,440
Pretty sure she.
If she's not answering, then

1304
01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:22,800
she's not watching the show
currently.

1305
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,560
What's even funnier, she's
probably running around upstairs

1306
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:30,160
looking for the phone when she
could come down there.

1307
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:32,760
Till you know.
You want to come down here and

1308
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:36,240
tell the tell be in the episode
and tell everyone what happened

1309
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,640
in the last house.
I I don't know you, you put it

1310
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,920
in the chat, you said nothing
weird has happened here at first

1311
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,000
house.
To not have weird stuff happen.

1312
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:46,360
You want to come down and throw
it on the episode.

1313
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,120
Pretty much passed out.
All right, Well, come on now.

1314
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,480
All right.
Yeah, Wollens.

1315
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:55,960
Yeah, get the wifey on for the
first time.

1316
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,720
Four years in, first time.
And I was here for it.

1317
01:12:59,960 --> 01:13:03,240
Yeah, you were right.
Yeah, we're making memories.

1318
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:12,000
Sorry, Kenzer.
We'll see while we're waiting if

1319
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,320
anybody in the chat has any
ideas for episodes.

1320
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,520
Skeeter, you got an episode, you
got an idea, you got.

1321
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,080
You got something you want us to
cover, man?

1322
01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:20,800
Glimmer Man.
Glimmer man huh?

1323
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:22,640
Who's been?
Spotted Slender Man.

1324
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:24,120
I was like I already did.
No, no.

1325
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:31,000
He and I forget the Navy base
that's in the United States,

1326
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,080
that's not far from National
Park or park area.

1327
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:38,200
Probably the one in Oklahoma.
I can't remember where it was

1328
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:43,040
but or the name of it, but
Glimmer Man has been spotted.

1329
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:46,600
It's kind of like the predator
look when people see it and they

1330
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,440
call it like it's a Glimmer
cloaking device.

1331
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:54,200
So yeah, I got somebody agreeing
with me in there so in the chat

1332
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:59,560
for being here.
But yeah, it's interesting story

1333
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,480
because a lot of people are
seeing this all around the world

1334
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:07,720
and I kind of saw something like
it, but it was more just like an

1335
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:12,840
outline of a visible thing,
whatever it was.

1336
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,080
So.
But the stories I've heard about

1337
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:19,000
it are really interesting and
maybe something you guys could

1338
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:25,200
dive into for an episode.
I see it is an urban legend and

1339
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,080
typically cover urban legends on
Halloween.

1340
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:33,200
But I could always, I could
always kick, kick men in back,

1341
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,760
men in black back a little bit.
I don't know.

1342
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:37,920
I gotta see if there's books on
it.

1343
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:40,720
I'm trying to remember if you
guys did Black Eyed kids too.

1344
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:44,520
We did, but I'm going to be
redoing that because I, it was a

1345
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:48,960
terrible, terrible episode.
That was back before I, I did,

1346
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,120
you know, better research and
stuff.

1347
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,760
So Black Eyed kids will be
redone at some point?

1348
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:57,920
How long does it take to get
across your house, Jake?

1349
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,400
It's past my bedtime, bro.
There she is.

1350
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,960
See.
Yeah, look at that.

1351
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:07,440
It's her and not a kid ghost
kid.

1352
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:14,760
She don't want to be on camera.
Doug Wollens.

1353
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:17,320
Jeremy.
Jeremy.

1354
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:24,840
Say things.
OK, the first one was in Norfolk

1355
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:30,040
when we were living together,
the bunch of Navy buddies, And

1356
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:31,760
we'd only been dating a few
months.

1357
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:36,000
And we were living in like the
attic space that was changed

1358
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,320
into like a bedroom.
So there was like a staircase up

1359
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:42,800
to in our bedroom.
And sometimes I'd have like, my

1360
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,120
blankets pulled off and we
didn't have a dog in there or

1361
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:46,560
anything.
And I'd just, like, fight it.

1362
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:50,040
And he would be asleep for it.
And then one night he just

1363
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:53,880
popped up, just sat right up.
And he's like, you don't see it.

1364
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:57,800
Do you see him?
Like what he's like looking

1365
01:15:57,800 --> 01:15:59,480
right at the stairwells, like in
the middle of the night.

1366
01:15:59,480 --> 01:16:02,320
He's like, you don't see him.
Like, see who he's like, huh?

1367
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:07,120
And he lays back down.
I was like, great.

1368
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:09,120
Oh fuck, I'm not getting to
sleep now at.

1369
01:16:09,480 --> 01:16:14,680
Night.
And didn't you have like a penny

1370
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:16,840
or a nickel thrown at you in the
shower one time?

1371
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,520
Yeah.
And you said it's because you

1372
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:29,240
were a Jew.
Yeah, I'd have my blankets

1373
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:33,360
pulled off like that was before
we even had Fred and we didn't

1374
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:35,600
have the dogs upstairs.
So I'd like be fighting

1375
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,040
something to like pull the
blankets back up and.

1376
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:40,320
Then we heard all the footsteps
running.

1377
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,120
Yeah, they're running upstairs.
That house is creepy.

1378
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:44,600
It was it.
Was a.

1379
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:48,160
The house is built in. 19 one,
yeah.

1380
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:51,640
Or something like that, right?
It was in in South Norfolk.

1381
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:54,080
So it was.
In the hood, it was gross.

1382
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,000
It was in the hood and it was.
Decrepit and falling apart.

1383
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:58,800
We call it the Wonka House
kitchen.

1384
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,760
Falling in crawl space.
I was like 5 feet tall in house.

1385
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,680
Kind of, yeah.
The windows, doors and stuff

1386
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,080
like that would stick because.
They were all kind of like,

1387
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:09,080
really.
Want, yeah.

1388
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,560
Kind of looked like a
Beetlejuice, like down in hell

1389
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:14,200
or wherever it was.
Purgatory.

1390
01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:16,600
Yeah, in the waiting room.
Beetlejuice House.

1391
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:20,440
Huh, interesting.
Yeah, so that that place is

1392
01:17:20,440 --> 01:17:23,000
creepy.
I don't think we had anything

1393
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,760
happen in our house that we
bought.

1394
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,640
No, but in California we had
some crap happen.

1395
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,280
We were listening to What's that
guy's Bear?

1396
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:36,040
Bear Girls.
Oh no, we were listening.

1397
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,800
To big old dude, he's like,
yeah, it's like into

1398
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:43,400
survivalist, like preppy, but
also really Christian.

1399
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:50,240
And he was saying a prayer at
the end of his little YouTube

1400
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:54,400
video and our TV shuts off.
Like, oh, what happened?

1401
01:17:55,880 --> 01:18:00,160
The TV wasn't plugged and it was
like 3 feet away from where the

1402
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:03,120
outlet was.
No dogs were behind it.

1403
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:06,880
Nothing was there.
Basically our TV in an

1404
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:08,440
entertainment center.
And it was.

1405
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:11,200
Unplugged from the wall and it
was like the outlet was like

1406
01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:13,920
thrown as.
Far as it could go side.

1407
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:20,200
Cool while he was like in mid
prayer and then a little bit

1408
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:24,800
after my knee surgery, it was
more comfortable for me to sleep

1409
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:27,080
on the couch.
Just keep my like my knee

1410
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:31,480
elevated and everything.
And I swore I heard Jake peep

1411
01:18:31,480 --> 01:18:35,200
around the hallway and just
like, you got like a like, what

1412
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:40,360
do you want?
So I saw like a shadow of a head

1413
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,200
like come over and just like
what?

1414
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:46,160
Go away.
And so I rolled into the couch

1415
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:49,600
and then I felt something rush
up on me and I like, flipped

1416
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:50,960
over and there was nothing
there.

1417
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:54,200
That one was the knee surgery.
Drugs, for sure drugs.

1418
01:18:55,640 --> 01:19:00,480
Anymore no ibuprofen.
The Navy, they give you enough

1419
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:03,120
drugs to get you through like 3
days and then just ibuprofen.

1420
01:19:03,480 --> 01:19:09,640
It's I had surgery, they gave me
I want to say like 2 volumes and

1421
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:11,440
then everything else was
ibuprofen.

1422
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,080
They just throw ibuprofen at
anything you got noticeably.

1423
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:17,320
Withdrawals ibuprofen It was the
withdrawals from the.

1424
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:21,040
No, it was a few weeks after it.
Oh, tell me about.

1425
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:24,120
Renee's.
Oh, that place is creepy shit.

1426
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:25,400
Can I cuss?
Yeah, All right.

1427
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:33,200
I guess it's too late now.
This is a.

1428
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:40,560
Family from lick my butt hole.
Anyway, yeah, Renee's house.

1429
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:46,600
So their bedroom.
So Renee was my best friend in

1430
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:47,680
high school.
Can you guys hear me OK?

1431
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:49,400
Yeah, sort of.
OK.

1432
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:51,480
I don't know how it's going to
come out in audio, but.

1433
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:56,920
So Renee was my best friend in
high school and he and I both

1434
01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:02,560
met when we were, I want to say
we were Christians because our

1435
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,200
families went to church type
stuff.

1436
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:07,920
And then as soon as we became
adults, like I, I found my way

1437
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:09,920
back to Christianity through my
life.

1438
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:13,240
Second, hey, you find your, your
sewing kit nice, buy your other

1439
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,680
sewing stuff.
I found my way back to

1440
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:19,240
Christianity.
But he he dropped off and went

1441
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,920
from, you know, like what people
would consider like a Bible

1442
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:26,440
thumper type of a person.
To doing like blood sacrifice

1443
01:20:26,440 --> 01:20:31,600
witchcraft, right?
So and he still is fairly into

1444
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:37,120
that space.
So when we were getting ready to

1445
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:41,200
move to California on military
orders, it was during COVID and

1446
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:44,040
we were selling our house and we
were going to go straight over

1447
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:46,760
to California.
Well, because of COVID, they put

1448
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:51,560
me on a hold for nine months.
So Renee, who is my best friend

1449
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:53,680
in high school, he actually
joined the Navy shortly after

1450
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,400
me.
And he had a house right down

1451
01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:01,520
the street from where we were.
And so we, we got to, we were

1452
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:03,440
kind of in this pickle where
it's like, well, we're closing

1453
01:21:03,440 --> 01:21:05,360
on our house.
The, the buyers are going to

1454
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:07,480
move in.
What are we going to do for nine

1455
01:21:07,480 --> 01:21:09,560
months?
And he just so happened to be

1456
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,640
out of tenants because he was
out in Japan.

1457
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:16,160
So he was renting his house.
So we moved into his house and

1458
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:19,560
when we were moving in, it was a
wreck.

1459
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:21,800
And the old tenants, they abused
it.

1460
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:24,040
And so we had to help him fix it
up and all that sort of stuff.

1461
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:27,480
But while I was moving in, all
of his boxes and stuff of his

1462
01:21:27,480 --> 01:21:29,760
clothes and everything that he
didn't take to Japan were

1463
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,920
upstairs in the master bedroom.
And so I asked him point blank,

1464
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,920
I said, Renee, is there anything
in this house that is going?

1465
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:41,960
To be like a a magnet.
For the demonic, the spiritually

1466
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:44,200
oppressive, whatever you want to
call it.

1467
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:45,440
And he's like, no, I don't think
so.

1468
01:21:45,440 --> 01:21:48,120
I was like, do you mind if I go
through everything to be sure?

1469
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,200
Right.
There's no Ouija boards or, you

1470
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:53,280
know, candles or any sort of
sacrificial implements or

1471
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:55,000
whatever it is.
And he's like, yeah, go for it.

1472
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,320
And so I went through and I
didn't find anything.

1473
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:01,920
But the fact that those sorts of
things were done in that house,

1474
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:05,080
you know, led to a lot of
interesting stuff.

1475
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,160
So you can go ahead and tell
from here because I was asleep

1476
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:12,280
for most of it.
So, well, I mean, he's

1477
01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:15,440
definitely waiting.
So every time.

1478
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:18,800
So you could kind of see like
the upstairs bedroom, it's kind

1479
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:22,200
of like the same thing as our
first house that we lived in.

1480
01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:25,280
Like the attic was converted
into bedroom.

1481
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:29,040
So the staircase you can kind of
see the bedroom door from like

1482
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:32,120
if you're walking by and I'd
always see something up there

1483
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:35,000
every time I walked by.
I did not like being there alone

1484
01:22:35,480 --> 01:22:38,680
at all.
Felt super uncomfortable, kept

1485
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:41,680
hearing weird stuff.
I hated that house.

1486
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:43,760
Absolutely hated it.
Weird.

1487
01:22:44,480 --> 01:22:45,720
Such a oh.
Nope.

1488
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:47,600
What's up?
Nope, you go.

1489
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:49,800
Oh no, you go and then I'll tell
a different story.

1490
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:53,600
Oh, I was just going to say it's
just a natural path progression.

1491
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:58,920
Christian demonology.
It's very strange actually, but.

1492
01:22:59,960 --> 01:23:03,920
But prior to meeting Jake I was
leaving living with my parents

1493
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:05,760
because I moved back from
Oregon.

1494
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,040
I was getting ready to join the
Navy so I just stayed with them.

1495
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:11,680
Think Jeff's asleep then there
he is.

1496
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:15,120
I woke up in the middle of the
night feeling something grabbing

1497
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:18,000
my face, completely dark,
couldn't see it and it felt like

1498
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,360
it was kissing me.
It was freaking it.

1499
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:22,240
Was creepy.
It was super.

1500
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:23,680
Creepy.
I hope so.

1501
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:26,520
It tries to make out me tonight.
I'll fight it.

1502
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:30,640
Come on.
But it was kind of like frozen.

1503
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,160
I don't have like, what's that
term where you sleep paralysis?

1504
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:37,080
Yeah, I don't have that.
But it was just I felt something

1505
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:38,960
grabbed my face.
You could totally have sleep

1506
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,440
paralysis on a on a one point
episode.

1507
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:43,720
Like you can just you can have
it randomly.

1508
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:45,520
I had it one time in my entire
life.

1509
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:48,640
Super fucking creepy.
But I had it several times

1510
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:52,200
before I learned what it was,
and then I learned what it was.

1511
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:54,920
I haven't had it since.
Yeah, yeah.

1512
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:59,120
So maybe it was like the one
time deal, but when I where I

1513
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:03,360
grew up was in southern Idaho,
so my dad's house is probably

1514
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:05,360
built on like some Indian graves
or something.

1515
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:09,280
But down the hallway on the
other side of the wall in the

1516
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:12,040
hallway was a my mom's like
stand up mirror.

1517
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:16,080
And there was always like this
smudge that you can only clean

1518
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:19,840
off with just soap and water.
Windex nothing.

1519
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,120
It would clean it off 'cause
you'd always see something run

1520
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:25,520
down the hallway through the
wall and even my, our, all of

1521
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,320
our dogs would alert.
They'd get up and just stare

1522
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:30,560
down the hallway with like their
back raised up.

1523
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:33,400
And my bed would shake there
too.

1524
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,480
My bed would always shake.
I thought it was a dog, but be

1525
01:24:36,480 --> 01:24:39,520
like, stop it, stop shaking,
stop itching.

1526
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:41,880
And I look, I'm the only one on
the bed.

1527
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:48,960
Super weird.
To give to give relevance to the

1528
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:56,240
the weirdness of Renee's house
right before he went to Japan.

1529
01:24:56,480 --> 01:25:00,160
He confided in me one time.
He say he's like, I think I'm

1530
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:04,840
getting a little bit too deep in
these practices that I'm doing.

1531
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:06,120
I was like, all right, what's
up, dude?

1532
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:09,240
And he's just like, I mean, I'll
tell you straight up that any

1533
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:12,040
amount of dabbling is dumb, but
you know, I was like, what's up,

1534
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:13,720
man?
And he's just like, he's like,

1535
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:16,840
so me and he was married at the
time.

1536
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:21,960
He said me and my wife were
being intimate and I looked past

1537
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:23,080
her.
She was on top.

1538
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:26,720
I looked past her and there was
a being standing at the foot of

1539
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:30,920
the bed watching us, an all
black being just standing there

1540
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:34,240
watching us do it.
And he is like, I wake up and I

1541
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:37,560
see this thing standing at the
bed, like standing on my side of

1542
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,760
the bed watching me sleep.
And I'll look right up at it.

1543
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:42,600
He's like, it's it's always
there.

1544
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,680
It's there when I'm changing.
It's there when she's alone.

1545
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:47,280
It's there when we're being
intimate.

1546
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:49,440
It's there, you know, following
me around the house.

1547
01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:52,000
He's like, it's just it's there
constantly.

1548
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:53,520
He's like, it's starting to
freak me out.

1549
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:54,800
I was like, yeah, you should
probably stop.

1550
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:58,040
Didn't stop him, but he's just
like, you know, so.

1551
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,720
You know, is like for us, you
know, hey, it's a godsend,

1552
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:03,200
right?
Hey, we, we got, you know, the

1553
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,240
protection of the Holy Spirit.
We're not scared about any of

1554
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:08,040
this sort of stuff, you know,
or, or we don't have anything to

1555
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:10,240
be afraid of, even if it is
freaky.

1556
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:15,080
But still, I want to protect my
wife from any sort of trauma

1557
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:17,840
she's going to develop, right.
So, you know, hey, before we

1558
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:19,240
move in, is there anything
crazy?

1559
01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:20,520
And he's like, Nah, I don't
think so.

1560
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:22,400
But yeah, it was, it was
definitely creepy.

1561
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:24,320
There was you, you could feel
this.

1562
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:28,480
I don't know, like maybe maybe
like Skeeter is describing with

1563
01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:30,600
that closet.
It was like a heavy feeling

1564
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:32,440
when.
You walked into the house and it

1565
01:26:32,440 --> 01:26:35,680
was just like this, Is this
something's off right now?

1566
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:38,560
It was very strange.
Yeah.

1567
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:40,320
All right.
We got to we got to start

1568
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:43,080
cutting this off.
Jeffrey has to get the bid.

1569
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:45,760
You'd see him.
He's he's troopering through

1570
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:47,080
this.
Look at him.

1571
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:50,160
He's such a good sport.
Thank you, Jefferson.

1572
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:52,840
Sorry guys, I'm in a different
time zone, man.

1573
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:54,200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Whatever.

1574
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:58,040
Anyway, I got AI, got a blue
collar career, you know, get up

1575
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:01,400
and we work hard early in the
morning, pay our tax.

1576
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:10,280
They took our taxes.
All right, Skeeter, man, it's

1577
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:12,040
been a pleasure.
I really do appreciate you

1578
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:15,360
coming on today, man.
Happy to be helping you guys out

1579
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:18,080
any way I can.
Yeah, dude, you've been awesome

1580
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:20,000
every episode.
You've been awesome, have you?

1581
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:22,080
At the next Elmwood thing and
you're going.

1582
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:24,880
To be our Yeah, I've already
booked it off, so come to see.

1583
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:28,320
You guys, if it wasn't for
Skeeter, we would have had a a

1584
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:31,360
really shit presentation at
Elmwood.

1585
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:34,120
So Skeeter came through for us,
yeah.

1586
01:27:34,440 --> 01:27:36,400
He fixed the, the audio says.
Dope.

1587
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:40,600
Yeah, fixed the audio.
Got your video clear as I could

1588
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:44,840
get it so.
So, Skeeter, you, you do some

1589
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:47,560
stuff, you do a podcast, don't
you?

1590
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:57,800
I do mainly videos for YouTube
and weather for I used to do it

1591
01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:01,280
for my DJ and all the time, but
I kind of got out of that.

1592
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:04,800
But as you guys learned, I'm a
big fan of Yu-gi-oh.

1593
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:09,680
I got hooked on it when my kids
were little and I do pack

1594
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:13,800
openings.
I mean, I got right here cards.

1595
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:18,360
That's what this room is mainly
for, my collection room.

1596
01:28:18,480 --> 01:28:22,880
But yeah, I do that under
Skeeter the common king on

1597
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:24,160
YouTube.
Nice.

1598
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:29,280
What about you?
Sent me a link for a movie

1599
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:31,920
discussion show on YouTube one
time.

1600
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:37,160
Oh, what was that?
Gosh, I forgot.

1601
01:28:37,440 --> 01:28:40,120
Yeah, you guys are, Yes.
I can't remember what you guys

1602
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:42,280
are talking about Hellboy.
Remember you guys talking about

1603
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:46,400
Hellboy?
Gosh, what was that was a while

1604
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:47,520
ago.
I'd have to look it up.

1605
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:51,680
If you don't, if you don't
remember it, send me a link

1606
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:53,520
again and I'll put it in the
show notes.

1607
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,240
All right, all right.
But thanks man.

1608
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:58,840
I really do appreciate you.
I appreciate all your support

1609
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:01,000
that you've given us for for
quite a while now.

1610
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:04,040
So hopefully you had a good
time.

1611
01:29:04,440 --> 01:29:07,400
I know.
We had amazing time meeting you

1612
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:11,200
guys was awesome.
My wife is starting to listen to

1613
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:13,040
the podcast now.
So nice.

1614
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:15,560
She just heard me.
But after she met you, she goes.

1615
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:19,320
Those guys are really cool.
You know, they're down to earth

1616
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:23,200
and they're pretty fun.
And it was the only presenter

1617
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:25,800
that we actually stayed and
listened to.

1618
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,480
And I, I was happy they talked
about Elmwood.

1619
01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:30,800
And so the other ones were
whatever.

1620
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:36,240
Yeah, but people were snoring in
the in the MUFON presentation.

1621
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:39,920
That guy sucked.
Oh, you mean why I don't want to

1622
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:41,400
talk?
Bad the the one right right

1623
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:42,400
before us.
No talker.

1624
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:43,720
He ain't gonna ever listen to
this.

1625
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,640
He's terrible, terrible version.
He didn't even know he was part

1626
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:50,200
of MUFON or where in MUFON,
Minnesota MUFON.

1627
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:53,800
I mean, he's like, I am with the
shit.

1628
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:57,960
What am I looks at the screen of
the present presentation.

1629
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:02,160
He's like Minnesota MUFON and
I'm like, you don't know who you

1630
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:06,320
are?
Like, yeah, we stayed another 10

1631
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:09,400
minutes and walked out and came
and saw you guys again.

1632
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:12,560
Right on man.
Well, very much appreciated.

1633
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:15,720
Appreciate the the cards.
Great stuff man.

1634
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:17,320
It was nice meeting you.
Nice meeting your wife.

1635
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:19,800
Can't wait for next year.
It's going to be fun.

1636
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:22,320
Hopefully we'll have more in
store.

1637
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:24,400
Jake, Jeff, you guys got
anything else to add?

1638
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:28,800
No, but thank you so much for
for joining us on this episode.

1639
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:31,440
I'm going to have Whitney say
bye on the end of it.

1640
01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:34,280
But so the guys sitting in the
in the pilot's seat.

1641
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:36,520
But yeah, no.
Thanks for joining us on this

1642
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:37,720
episode.
It's been cool.

1643
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:40,280
We should definitely have you on
again sometime.

1644
01:30:40,440 --> 01:30:43,960
Like even not really talking
about maybe any of your

1645
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:46,800
experiences, but just, you know,
to kind of guest in.

1646
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:50,320
That'd be that'd be pretty cool.
Yeah.

1647
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:56,640
It's like it was it was really
neat being at the being at the

1648
01:30:56,640 --> 01:31:00,440
booth and Elmwood and then you
coming up and being like, yeah,

1649
01:31:00,440 --> 01:31:01,400
I've been listening to you guys
for.

1650
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:05,040
Years, you know, it's just like
really like, that's crazy.

1651
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:08,560
Like, I still want to be creepy,
you know, be like instantly the

1652
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:10,920
Super fan.
I'm like, no, wait a while.

1653
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:14,400
But I mean, but for real, like,
you know, as far as I know, I

1654
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:18,520
mean, it took us, me and Jeremy
talk about the origins all the

1655
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:20,440
time.
But for real it really.

1656
01:31:20,440 --> 01:31:24,920
Did take us a few practice
episodes to get into the routine

1657
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:29,080
of talking to each other on the
podcast and being like the

1658
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:31,960
audience is just to fly on the
wall listening in on the

1659
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:34,760
conversation type stuff, right,
like days after the recording.

1660
01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:40,920
But I never really expected to
meet anyone that I that listened

1661
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:44,960
right and and that changed when
I moved to Wisconsin.

1662
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:47,160
I had a Co worker that's been
listening right?

1663
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:49,280
And he's just like, Oh yeah, you
don't listen to your guys show.

1664
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:52,360
That's like, that's wild.
Haven't you come up and being

1665
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:54,280
like, you know, I've listened to
you guys for years and stuff

1666
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:56,040
like that.
Like never would have expected

1667
01:31:56,040 --> 01:32:00,080
that to actually meet someone
besides like having them on like

1668
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:02,560
Kenzar and stuff like that.
That's actually like, you know,

1669
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:05,840
is a fan and stuff like that was
just a trip.

1670
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:09,480
And really what it put in
perspective for me was that, you

1671
01:32:09,480 --> 01:32:11,760
know, we're talking to real
people.

1672
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:15,280
Like it's, it's just a weird
thing.

1673
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:17,960
It's not just numbers on a
screen of like, oh, so many

1674
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:20,200
listens or whatever it is, you
know, we're actually talking to

1675
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:26,680
real people and you know, that
we're impactful And just even if

1676
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:30,560
it's just like the comedy aspect
or letting people kind of, you

1677
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:33,960
know, zone out for a little bit.
That was the biggest thing for

1678
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:35,160
me.
And Jeremy coming up during

1679
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:38,080
Kovid was just like, let's give
them something that kind of

1680
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:41,960
takes their mind away from all
the BS that's going on in the

1681
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:44,560
world right now for an hour,
right type stuff.

1682
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:46,960
It's like we really wanted to
kind of press that in as well as

1683
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:49,920
talking about some cool stuff
and, you know, maybe getting

1684
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,360
someone's voice out there for
some weird experience they've

1685
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:54,520
had.
But it was just like, there's a

1686
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:57,240
plethora of reasons, but it
definitely like hit the mark for

1687
01:32:57,240 --> 01:33:00,440
me is just like, oh, wow, this
is, you know, this is pretty

1688
01:33:00,440 --> 01:33:02,480
cool.
You know, that we're, you know,

1689
01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:05,320
maybe someone's at work and
they're just listening to us to

1690
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:07,680
kind of zone out while they're
doing their their job or

1691
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:09,080
whatever.
You know, I listen to podcasts

1692
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:10,480
while I'm working on planes and
stuff.

1693
01:33:10,480 --> 01:33:12,080
You know, it's just, it's just
what I do.

1694
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:17,720
But it it really was very, very
neat to meet you and then having

1695
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:19,680
you on an episode.
I mean, that's just super cool.

1696
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:22,440
And I appreciate you having the
courage to come on and share

1697
01:33:22,440 --> 01:33:25,600
your experiences and stuff and
not caring what people think.

1698
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,440
Like you said, you know, be
growing up being the weird kid

1699
01:33:28,440 --> 01:33:30,520
and stuff like that.
I mean, I know Jeremy

1700
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:33,400
experienced that and he told me
when he first had his when he

1701
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:35,080
first told me that Bigfoot
experience.

1702
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:38,000
He's like, I don't want you to
like get all weird on me, but I

1703
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:41,120
had this experience and he says
that I said he was full of crap.

1704
01:33:41,440 --> 01:33:43,760
He sounds like something I'd
say, but I don't recall saying

1705
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:45,040
that but.
Because you're saying.

1706
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:47,080
Have been like tell me more,
tell me more.

1707
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:49,240
Yeah, right.
But it's just like, you know,

1708
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:52,760
it's, it's cool.
It's always cool having someone

1709
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:57,040
come on and tell us about what
they've experienced, regardless

1710
01:33:57,040 --> 01:34:00,000
of what we personally believe or
think.

1711
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:03,280
Right.
Really, when it comes down to

1712
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:06,320
it, it's, it's, it's like a cool
story.

1713
01:34:06,480 --> 01:34:08,360
I don't know.
It's just like it's, it's cool

1714
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:10,840
hearing other people's
perspective and experiences and

1715
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:14,360
things like that, even if it's
way outside the scope of what I

1716
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:17,120
personally am like, Nah, that's
ridiculous, blah, blah, whatever

1717
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:19,400
it is.
But I appreciate you coming on

1718
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:22,720
and you, you telling us your
experiences and stuff and, and

1719
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:25,680
having this chat with us.
And I never knew that my wife

1720
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:28,160
would end up being on a podcast
episode after four years.

1721
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:30,360
You know so.
Thanks to me.

1722
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:33,000
Thanks to me in the weird
closet.

1723
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:38,080
Jeff, anything.
No, man.

1724
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:40,280
Yeah.
Glad you came on, bro.

1725
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:42,040
It's good to meet you.
And it's good.

1726
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:43,680
It's been real.
It's been fun.

1727
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:45,560
It's been real fun.
He's ready for bed.

1728
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:47,560
I.
Feel tired, guys.

1729
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:51,200
I'm sorry.
I'm so, I'm so tired, dude.

1730
01:34:51,440 --> 01:34:55,120
We got to start doing these
like, not late at night on a

1731
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:58,520
Sunday night, but you know.
Not going to happen anyway.

1732
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,400
All right, thank you to
everybody that showed up in the

1733
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:03,720
chat.
Really do appreciate you guys

1734
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:07,920
stopping by.
If you guys, you know, ever want

1735
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:10,640
to guest on the show and come
and have a chat with us, just

1736
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:13,400
let me know.
Yes, kid, that means you too get

1737
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:15,440
woke.
Everybody in the chat that that

1738
01:35:15,440 --> 01:35:16,880
sounded off today.
Thank you guys.

1739
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:20,840
You guys are always more than
welcome to to reach out and

1740
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:24,520
schedule an episode.
Until next time, everybody.

1741
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:27,880
This has been another episode of
the Infinite Rabbit Hole

1742
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:30,360
podcast.
I'll see you the next fork in

1743
01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:31,840
the path of the Infinite rabbit
hole.

1744
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:34,560
Bye everybody, Bye.
Bye, see ya.

1745
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:42,360
Hey everybody, thanks for
checking out the Infinite Rabbit

1746
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:44,440
Hole podcast.
If you're looking for more of

1747
01:35:44,440 --> 01:35:47,640
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1748
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:50,320
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1749
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:53,840
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1750
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:55,720
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1751
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:58,720
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1752
01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:01,800
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1753
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:05,720
And until next time, travelers,
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1754
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:08,200
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1755
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:09,200
Bye.