July 2, 2024
172. UFOs Over Elmwood 1: Sightings & The CIA (CHRONICLES)
JULY IS HERE!!! And with it comes an entire month of our coverage of the small town in western Wisconsin that has been plagued by UFOs and lights in the skies since at least 1956. In our first ever installment in our "Chronicles" series, we introduce the concept as a title for topics that we will be close with and consistent in updates and our reporting. Being only 30 minutes away from Elmwood, Jeremy and Jake will be delivering the best documentation of the ongoing situation as well as the annual festival they call UFO Days. It all starts right here with a round of initial sightings from mostly the 70s and 80s. Topped with a but about how the CIA has kept its eye on the small little dairy farm town. Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit Hole! InfiniteRabbitHole.com
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The first ever documented UFO
sighting in Elmwood, WI was in
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1956, but the world was
introduced to the small town
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beginning in 1976 when Officer
George Wheeler witnessed his
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second unidentified flying
object and passed away less than
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a year later.
Many say that he ultimately
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succumbed to the injuries he
suffered as a product of that
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encounter.
Now whether or not this is true
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will have to be decided by you
after we cover it more in depth
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in this presentation.
Officer Wheeler would prove to
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be only the beginning in the
events involving strange lights
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and craft in the skies over
Elmwood and the other areas of
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the Pierce County Triangle.
The self-proclaimed UFO capital
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Wisconsin.
Mentioned on more than one
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occasion as the UFO capital of
the world, This farming town is
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surrounded with stories of
lights following teenage
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drivers, craft hovering over
vehicles as they're pulled over
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on the side of the road, windows
showing shadowy figures within
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the anomaly, as well as large
UFOs splitting into smaller
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ones, with each piece moving
completely independently of each
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other at impossible angles and
speeds before merging back into
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one.
All of these and more jump
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started an idea by a man from
nearby Chippewa Falls who would
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propose a landing pad for the
mysterious pilots, welcoming
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them with open arms.
The $50 million idea became so
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well known that figureheads such
as Dan Rather and Geraldo Rivera
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came knocking on the town's
front door to get the whole
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story.
Today we dive into the history
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of unknown craft in the skies of
the small western Wisconsin town
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and uncover the story of those
that witnessed them.
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Today we present the details
involving UFOs over Elmwood.
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Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit
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This step came in the form of a
small western Wisconsin town
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named Elmwood.
Since the inaugural meeting
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full-fledged researchers.
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audio documentarians, but to
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mostly untouched by modern
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it and gather the information
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We came close with injured cold,
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original story is sadly no
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to be nothing else to truly
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But this one's different.
When I was medically separated
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from the Navy in 2022, I was
faced with a difficult decision.
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Where was I going to move my
family to in order to give them
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everything that they could ever
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great job?
A humble small town in an area
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of the country that I would be
proud to call home.
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And of course, ensure that there
was a rich history of the
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strange for me to look into.
So today I introduce you all to
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the town that has begun to open
their history books for me and
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show me a little of what makes
this place so special.
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Today we begin the very early
stages of the new series that we
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are calling Chronicles, where we
will not only present to you a
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group of documentary episodes as
you are all familiar with that
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will provide everything you need
to know to understand the story,
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but we'll provide plenty of
follow up content for you to
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enjoy that will take you far
past what anyone else is able to
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provide.
Over the next few weeks, months
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and years we will give you the
content on this subject such as
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live and personal feeds from
within the UFO Days festival,
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interviews with experiencers
that tell you about their
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stories with their own voices,
and even our first ever on
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location video content.
Let me be the first to introduce
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you to the very first chapter of
this brand new series,
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Chronicles UFOs over Elmwood.
I'll see you on the other side.
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Trailers,
sightings According to reporter
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John Socheri of the Saint Paul
Pioneer Press, an article
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published on April 10th, 1987.
He refers to the area as the
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quote UN quote Pierce County
Triangle with the towns of
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Ellsworth, Elmwood and Plum City
as its limits due to the area
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being the home to an abnormal
amount of UFO sightings.
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The following reports are all
from within this infamous Pierce
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County Triangle, although there
are many others just outside of
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it in towns such as Prescott and
River Falls, WI.
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I had to draw the line somewhere
and the triangle seemed like a
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great place.
December 11th, 1956.
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A reddish glowing disk was
spotted about 20 feet above the
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ground by motorists on Hwy. 72
just east of Elmwood.
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Before it moved away.
People lined up on the side of
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the road to exit their vehicles
and watch as a craft that was
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completely silent only 20 feet
above the ground hovered along
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in front of them.
Those that witnessed the event
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described the craft as being
about 45 feet long.
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This incident is credited as one
of the very earliest, if not the
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first documented encounters with
a UFO in Elmwood.
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June 1972 Hobbs Wilson witnessed
2 glowing objects hovering over
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a barn for about 45 minutes.
This event was originally
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reported in the Stillwater
newspaper.
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Fun fact, the location of Hobbs
sighting is one of the two signs
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that you can find around Elmwood
that mark these historical
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sightings.
March 14th, 1975 at 8:30 PM.
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The Gibbons were out
snowmobiling with another couple
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around the area of Plum City,
just about 15 miles South of
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Elmwood, when the party
witnessed 2 white lights and a
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large red light coming over a
nearby hill.
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What they originally thought was
a car on the road soon proved to
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be something completely
different as whatever it was was
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hovering over a nearby tree line
and was completely silent.
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The two couples speed off as
fast as they could towards a
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barn house that was nearby and
took shelter.
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They had no idea whose property
they were on at the time, but
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they just all felt the need to
run and hide from whatever it
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was.
This craft would later be
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described as almost identical to
the one that Carol Forster
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claimed to have been chased by
when driving home with her
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children, roughly the same shape
and color being radiated even
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down to the future of legs or
supports on the other side.
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This sighting, the Forester
event and Officer Wheeler's
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second experience all happened
within a year of each other.
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Now the Forester and Wheeler
events will be expanded upon in
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Part 2 where that episode will
be dedicated completely to the
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Forester and Wheeler events as
they are the three biggest
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events in The Elmwood Story.
1976 Once AUS Navy pilot during
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World War 2, Bob Schuller and a
friend of his witnessed a UFOA
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few miles South of town after
they specifically went looking
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for flying saucers.
The one detail about this
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sighting I was able to find was
that the thing they saw made
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absolutely no noise.
April and May 1976 about another
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six more sightings would be
reported describing minor events
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involving strange craft and our
lights in the sky in and around
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Elmwood in the month following
Officer Wheeler's second
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experience with a UFO.
Yet again, more on Officer
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Wheeler's experiences in the
next episode, one of which were
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only referred to as Mr. and
Misses Don Y, who were
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accompanied by Paul Fredrickson,
with Kathy H and GAIL B in the
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car immediately behind them.
They all witnessed something in
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the night sky on their way back
from an EMT training course, and
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all five people described the
craft as orange and glowing.
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Kathy and GAIL would again
witness an anomaly with two
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bright lights pointing in the
direction that it was flying,
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which seemed to keep pace with
their car.
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A week later on the night of May
20th, 1976.
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This time they were just outside
of River Falls, about 30 miles
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to the West of Elmwood on State
Road 29.
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After a period of watching
whatever it was moving just
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behind the tree line from their
point of view, they decided to
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pull over and watch to see what
it did.
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Almost immediately, the two lost
track of it and sat for a little
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while watching the night sky in
all directions.
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Surprised, one of them moved
their head outside of the window
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to look above the car where they
spotted it sitting about 80 to
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100 feet directly over them.
Both women sat and watched and
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gathered as much visual
information about the craft that
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they could.
This time details such as red
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and blue flashing lights on one
side, a perfectly round shape,
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and the craft just not being
very big.
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As the women began to move
again, the craft began moving in
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the opposite direction until it
was completely out of sight.
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Also in 1967, Marge Hartung and
her husband Jerry were driving
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home from Marge's sister's
wedding between Ellsworth and
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Prescott as they witnessed an
object in the sky that they
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described as quote as tall as a
silo and milkhouse.
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The object didn't seem to be
moving, it just kind of hung
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there in the sky.
October 1977 at 10:30 PM a large
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orange light was spotted near
the quarry on Tuttle Hill by
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Paul Frederickson and his son
Mark as the two were heading
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home from work.
Mark was the first to spot the
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object as it seemed to be coming
from the direction of their home
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in the east.
His original thoughts were that
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it was simply the moon, but
after he realized that it was
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rising way too fast, he decided
to pull over to get out of the
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car and watch whatever it was.
When the light moved directly
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over them, the Fredricksons were
able to get a very good and rare
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look at the phenomenon.
Paul described it as being a
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disc shaped metallic craft about
100 feet in diameter, which is
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making a sound that reminded
them of a waterfall.
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The most notable detail other
than the size and the glow were
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the two beams of light coming
from one side of the craft, one
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of which was blue and the other
being green.
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The craft continued past the men
at a height estimated as about
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500 to 1000 feet before fading
out.
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A view to the West.
Also in October 1977, this time
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in Ellsworth, a woman named
Patricia Kay and her son
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witnessed a large glowing white
light with two red flashing
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lights seemingly attached to the
same, hard to define mainframe.
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The other very noticeable detail
that Patricia reported when she
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called the local Police
Department was a sound that
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reminded her of a helicopter.
Now you know, without any other
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context this seems to have been
a helicopter due to the common
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layout of the front facing
Searchlight and an upper and
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lower anti collision light that
flashes red.
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This requirement came to be in
July of the same year, 1977 by
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the Federal Aviation
Administration, more commonly
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known as the FAA.
On the same night in October
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1977, Reverend G and his wife
witnessed an estimated 100 yard
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wide craft flying overhead.
This time there was no sound
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reported with the sighting, as
well as red and green lights,
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with the frame of the craft
having three windows near the
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center from their point of view.
Unfortunately, I was unable to
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find a source that gave me the
exact location for the sighting,
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but an unknown dated article
from the Pierce County Herald
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and Noah Voss's book UFO
Wisconsin vaguely made it seem
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as if it also happened in the
same town of Patricia Kay's
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sighting that same night of
Ellsworth.
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With Patricia's sighting
sounding very much like a
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misidentification of an actual
helicopter, this sighting could
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help lend to her belief that it
was not such, especially if it
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was in the same town.
On the same July 1980, Lester
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Anderson, living about 6 miles
east of Elmwood, reports seeing
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an orange yellow light that lit
up their yard at around 2:00 in
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the morning.
Quote, I'm 68 years old.
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I'm no kid.
I've never seen anything like
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that before.
As quoted by an unknown
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newspaper from July 29th, 1980,
authored by Joe Rhodes.
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January 1986. 17 year old Dawn
Schroeder and 18 year old
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Chrissy Larson were driving home
to Elmwood at about 9:30 at
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night on Wisconsin 183 from a
basketball game in Pepin, where
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the girls witnessed a bright
white light almost directly
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above them.
Quote.
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It followed us for quite a
while, said Schroeder.
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There was no sound, just
occasional flicks of red and
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green.
August 1988 The Saturday, August
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20th, 1988 edition of the Leader
Telegram ran an article about 15
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to 20 circular burn marks found
in a field at the Evelyn
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Hutchins Farm at the
intersection of County Roads
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P&D.
The marks, varying in sizes from
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11:50 inches, were all
consistent in being the same
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purplish Gray color with a white
graphite like residue.
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The marks on the ground were
first discovered by Charles
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Hudson when he was cutting hay,
but a leader telegram quotes him
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as saying quote.
I didn't have any idea what they
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were.
It's pretty strange.
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There doesn't seem to be any
kind of pattern to them.
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Who knows how they got there?
A local teenage girl who lives
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about a mile away from the farm
claims to have seen strange
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lights in the sky over the
Hutchinson's field with
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something dripping off whatever
it was to the ground.
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Samples were gathered by local
Tom Weber and sent off to
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Chicago for laboratory analysis.
Tom Webber being a very, very
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big story and the story of
Elmwood and UFOs in the sky will
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be expanded upon in part three.
So hang tight travelers.
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March 7th, 1988 A 17 year old
girl from Bay City and her
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friend witnessed an object in
the sky that had two steady
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white lights at one end and a
red flashing light on the other
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as it hovered over an area that
they believed to be the
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direction of Elmwood.
The girls were curious about
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what it could be, so they
decided to drive up closer, but
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when the lights started heading
their way and rested about 20
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feet above them, the driver U
turned and drove away.
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Unfortunately for the girls,
whatever it was, it was able to
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keep pace with them at 60 mph.
Flying at the same 20 foot
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height, the two girls made all
the way to Red Wing, MN before
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the light went away.
In the March 9th, 1988 edition
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of the Pierce County Herald, the
17 year old driver was quoted
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quote.
We didn't hear anything so we
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know it wasn't an airplane or a
helicopter.
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Now from my own personal opinion
here without any other context,
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this seems to have been a
helicopter with its front facing
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Searchlight on as well as the
tail anti collision light which
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would flash red.
April 22nd, 1988 at 2:30 AM.
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Another object was reported by a
woman by the name of an S that
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seemed to have matched the
description of the incident with
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the two girls from Bay City, but
this time just east of
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Ellsworth.
Anne was able to give a little
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bit more detail when she
reported, such as the presence
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of a yellow color light on its
side, the fact that it looked to
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be spinning, and that the size
of the craft was, quote,
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slightly smaller than a hot air
balloon.
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April 23rd, 1988 at 3:00 AM.
The very next day, a local
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Elmwood man by the name of
Anthony P reports seeing strange
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lights at the quarry and strange
humming sounds that seemed to be
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accompanying them.
Local investigators determined
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that the humming sound coming
from the quarry was in fact
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coming from a rock crusher being
used by workers at the time, but
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many researchers and locals
believe that this is not the
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case.
The quarry is within range of
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many houses to hear such a piece
of machinery being run at 3:00
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AM, and it is not clear as to
whether they were even allowed
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to run such a machine at the
time without violating the noise
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ordinance of the town.
April 28th, 1988.
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Five days later, nine AMA
husband and wife reported seeing
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a flashing object moving from
side to side while they were
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driving on Ellsworth Stone
Hammer Rd.
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The couple remain anonymous in
their reporting and have never
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been able to answer any follow
up questions, but the article in
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the River Falls, WI Journal that
was published shortly after
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quoted this mystery woman as
referring to the lights as quote
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like a strobe light.
Whatever it was, it was
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completely silent and had a
white and green light that they
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watched bounce from one side of
the sky to the other numerous
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times in the 20 minutes the
couple watched it.
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One other anonymous caller from
nearby also reported the exact
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same phenomenon in the sky.
That night, June 1988, an
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unnamed family that was
travelling between Elmwood and
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Ellsworth witnessed a bright
orange ball of light in the sky
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just above the horizon.
They watched as four smaller
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white lights separated from the
orange light and began
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zigzagging at impossible angles
at the speeds that they were
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travelling before re emerging
with the original orange light.
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A few seconds later, the large
orange light shoots up into the
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sky and out of view.
The entire amount of time the
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family witnessed the event was
about 15 minutes, with the
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smaller lights being separated
from the large one for about 5
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minutes.
No Noah Voss listed different
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colors and the lights in his
book UFO Wisconsin, with a large
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light being white and the small
ones being red.
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I used the colors that were used
because of the article in which
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I first read the report.
Now I would like to take the
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time for a few minutes to thank
the town of Elmwood, which
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helped provide the collection of
historical articles and reports
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by simply keeping an incredible
record all these years.
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Unfortunately, the June 1988
sighting that was just
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referenced was the newest report
that they had on file in the
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collection that I was warranted
to study.
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I would personally like to thank
the town of Elmwood and
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specifically Amy Beschel who
stands as the President of the
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UFO Days Festival event that we
will discuss in part three of
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this presentation.
Without her help, this
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presentation would not have been
possible as she was nice enough
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to take myself and my Co host
Jake on a personal tour of
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locations like the quarry on
Tuttle Hill and the road where
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Carol Forster was chased by an
unidentified glowing object in
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the sky.
More on that one, of course, in
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the next episode.
But yet again, thank you, Amy.
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We really do appreciate that.
The CIA and UFO Working Group In
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February of 1987, Colonel Harold
E Phillips of the Defense
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Intelligence Agency LED in the
creation of an interagency team
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called the UFO Working Group to
study UFOs for purposes
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involving National Defense and
anything else the Pentagon
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deemed necessary.
Author J Raff describes the
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original build of personnel as
involving generals from both the
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Army and Air Force, DIA
scientists and Army Colonel,
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three members of the National
Security Agency, a member of the
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Central Intelligence Agency's
Intelligence Division, and a
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small team from the CIA's
Science and Technology
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Directorate.
In 1990, a book titled Out There
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by New York Times reporter,
Pulitzer Prize nominee, author,
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and investigator Howard Blum was
published.
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Blum, who wrote the entirety of
this book, following nationwide
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investigations of the previously
mentioned UFO Working Group, due
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in part to cooperation with two
unknown sources within the
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group.
One of these investigations was,
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of course, in Elmwood, WI in the
summer of 1988 and included
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members of the CIAS Domestic
Collection Division.
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Two members of this team took to
Elmwood under the guise of being
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NASA engineers, where they
conducted interviews with
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experiencers and witnesses as
well as gathered medical records
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of those involved and took soil
samples from all the locations
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mentioned by those that they
interviewed.
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This seems to have BeenVerified
by a small number of articles in
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various newspapers in the late
80s which refer to members of
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NASA interviewing locals and
apparently showing interest in
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Weber's UFO landing spot, which
we'll dive into in part three.
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According to author Jay Rath in
his book The West Files, the
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team's findings were anti
climatic, quoting the team as
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saying quote, we just don't know
what's in the skies over
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Elmwood.
But what is more interesting
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here is the theory brought
forward by researcher Timothy
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Good who believes that this
mysterious quote UN quote UFO
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working group was none other
than Project Aquarius.
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That was once a secret team of
remote viewers working in the
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shadows of the government on
topics of anti submarine warfare
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and UFO information gathering.
Under the watchful eye of a
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Colonel R Donnie Phillips, who
researcher and debunker Philip
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Kloss claims to have discovered
is a man who stands as a
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pseudonym for the real Colonel
John Alexander.
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This of course means that
Phillips is actually Alexander,
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who also was the former head of
the Los Alamos Non Lethal
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Weapons Research Program.
Why is he important?
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Well, according to author Jay
Rath in his book The West Files,
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Alexander just so happens to be
the last person to hold a
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private meeting with UFO
research organizations
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nationwide.
Cash cow and owner of the
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infamous Skinwalker Ranch,
Robert Bigelow before he halted
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funding to organizations such as
MUFON, QFOS, and the Fund for
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UFO Research.
Now it would seem that one of
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the only, if not the only
organization that receives
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funding from Bigelow is the
National Institute of Discovery
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Science, better known as NIBS.
The conspiracy deepens because
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the theorized head of this
organization is none other than
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John Alexander.
But why is that important?
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Well, as author J Rath mentions,
Alexander was also a member of
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another organization known as
The Aviary, which was another
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UFO organization in the 1980s
that is now well known for
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providing large doses of
misinformation to the UFO
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research community with the main
target seeming to be a man by
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the name of William Moore.
Moore is famous within UFO
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circles as being the man who
circulated the MJ 12 documents.
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MJ 12 or more commonly referred
to as Majestic 12 was the secret
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government UFO research group
that was seemingly established
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in 1947 immediately after the
UFO crash in Roswell, NM and was
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based out of the brand new
government organization known as
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the CIA.
This is where it all comes full
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circle back to the small town
that was visited by these quote,
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UN quote NASA engineers who were
really CIA members attached to
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the mysterious quote, UFO
working group that claimed to
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not have found anything of
substance in the UFO capital of
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the world, Elmwood, WI.
Well, that's it travelers.
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That is the end of part one of
our coverage of Elmwood, WI.
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I hope you enjoyed it.
Then we had to get a lot of
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those smaller events out of the
way to make room for the big
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ones.
Next week on Part 2 of UFOs Over
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Elmwood, we'll be diving into
the Carol Forster event as well
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as the two from Officer Wheeler.
And in part three, we'll dive
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into every other piece of
information that you need on
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Elmwood that doesn't involve
sightings.
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Now, yeah, on the end of this
episode, we jumped into a little
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bit of why the CIA was in
Elmwood and why they came and as
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the guise of NASA engineers.
And remember, they seemingly
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didn't find anything in Elmwood.
But why were they so interested?
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And why was it that the UFO
Working Group continued to keep
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its eye?
I'm the small town of Elmwood,
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Wisconsin.
And until next time, I'll see
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you right back here in this path
of the infinite Rabbit hole.
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Bye.
I would like to thank you once
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again for tuning into the
Infinite Rabbit Hole Podcast.
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This line represents the time
present 1985.
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Future Past Prior to this point
in time, somewhere in the past,
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the timeline tune into this
gadget, creating an alternate
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1989 alternate tune near
Einstein.
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The first ever documented UFO
sighting in Elmwood, WI was in
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1956, but the world was
introduced to the small town
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beginning in 1976 when Officer
George Wheeler witnessed his
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second unidentified flying
object and passed away less than
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a year later.
Many say that he ultimately
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succumbed to the injuries he
suffered as a product of that
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encounter.
Now whether or not this is true
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will have to be decided by you
after we cover it more in depth
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in this presentation.
Officer Wheeler would prove to
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be only the beginning in the
events involving strange lights
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and craft in the skies over
Elmwood and the other areas of
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the Pierce County Triangle.
The self-proclaimed UFO capital
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Wisconsin.
Mentioned on more than one
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occasion as the UFO capital of
the world, This farming town is
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surrounded with stories of
lights following teenage
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drivers, craft hovering over
vehicles as they're pulled over
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on the side of the road, windows
showing shadowy figures within
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the anomaly, as well as large
UFOs splitting into smaller
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ones, with each piece moving
completely independently of each
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other at impossible angles and
speeds before merging back into
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one.
All of these and more jump
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started an idea by a man from
nearby Chippewa Falls who would
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propose a landing pad for the
mysterious pilots, welcoming
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them with open arms.
The $50 million idea became so
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well known that figureheads such
as Dan Rather and Geraldo Rivera
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came knocking on the town's
front door to get the whole
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story.
Today we dive into the history
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of unknown craft in the skies of
the small western Wisconsin town
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and uncover the story of those
that witnessed them.
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Today we present the details
involving UFOs over Elmwood.
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Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit
Hole.
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Imagine this line represents the
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and prior to this point in time.
Somewhere in creating an
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alternate 1985 alternate Tunis
need an Einstein for everyone.
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Else a few months ago on April
27th, myself and my Co host Jake
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took a trip that was no doubt
one of the biggest and most
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important things that we will do
as the infinite rabbit hole and
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hands down the biggest thing
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We were granted an incredible
opportunity to see the side of
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one of our beloved topics that
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guide who was intimately
attached to the topic and
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frequent witness of events
herself.
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Thank you to Amy for giving us
this incredible opportunity.
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Throughout the four years that
we have been diving into the
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world of the unknown, strange,
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pretty cool stuff.
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Media's Paranormal Network where
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strange to paranormal and
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world.
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interview dozens of authors that
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work with us and bring us closer
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ever get a chance to.
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and only Tonya Darenberger to
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lived alongside her father
Woody, who is the main character
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opposite of Injured Cold in the
incredible story that still
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keeps people glued to their
research material before she
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unfortunately passed away.
But today we take the knowledge
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and experience that we gained in
April and turn it into something
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new.
Something bigger than we have
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ever done.
Today we turn the page and begin
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a new chapter in the story of
the infinite Rabbit hole.
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This step came in the form of a
small western Wisconsin town
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named Elmwood.
Since the inaugural meeting
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between Jake and I about
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always to become something more
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Start slow.
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idea what we were doing, but
eventually became a name that is
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trusted as one of the best
sources of information for the
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topics that we all love.
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research as a launchpad for
earning the respect and interest
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from everyone that listens from
around the world.
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Not our last goal, but certainly
one of them was to become
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full-fledged researchers.
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audio documentarians, but to
find a story that has remained
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mostly untouched by modern
standards and dig our claws into
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it and gather the information
needed to become the leading
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source of information on a
particular subject.
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We came close with injured cold,
and the many emails and messages
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sent by the listeners had us
believing that we did a great
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job.
But the last source for the
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original story is sadly no
longer with us, and there seems
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to be nothing else to truly
uncover.
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But this one's different.
When I was medically separated
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from the Navy in 2022, I was
faced with a difficult decision.
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Where was I going to move my
family to in order to give them
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everything that they could ever
need and at the same time find a
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great job?
A humble small town in an area
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of the country that I would be
proud to call home.
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And of course, ensure that there
was a rich history of the
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strange for me to look into.
So today I introduce you all to
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the town that has begun to open
their history books for me and
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show me a little of what makes
this place so special.
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Today we begin the very early
stages of the new series that we
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are calling Chronicles, where we
will not only present to you a
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group of documentary episodes as
you are all familiar with that
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will provide everything you need
to know to understand the story,
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but we'll provide plenty of
follow up content for you to
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enjoy that will take you far
past what anyone else is able to
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provide.
Over the next few weeks, months
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and years we will give you the
content on this subject such as
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live and personal feeds from
within the UFO Days festival,
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interviews with experiencers
that tell you about their
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stories with their own voices,
and even our first ever on
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location video content.
Let me be the first to introduce
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you to the very first chapter of
this brand new series,
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Chronicles UFOs over Elmwood.
I'll see you on the other side.
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Trailers,
sightings According to reporter
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John Socheri of the Saint Paul
Pioneer Press, an article
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published on April 10th, 1987.
He refers to the area as the
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quote UN quote Pierce County
Triangle with the towns of
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Ellsworth, Elmwood and Plum City
as its limits due to the area
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being the home to an abnormal
amount of UFO sightings.
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The following reports are all
from within this infamous Pierce
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County Triangle, although there
are many others just outside of
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it in towns such as Prescott and
River Falls, WI.
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I had to draw the line somewhere
and the triangle seemed like a
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great place.
December 11th, 1956.
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A reddish glowing disk was
spotted about 20 feet above the
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ground by motorists on Hwy. 72
just east of Elmwood.
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Before it moved away.
People lined up on the side of
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the road to exit their vehicles
and watch as a craft that was
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completely silent only 20 feet
above the ground hovered along
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in front of them.
Those that witnessed the event
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described the craft as being
about 45 feet long.
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This incident is credited as one
of the very earliest, if not the
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first documented encounters with
a UFO in Elmwood.
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June 1972 Hobbs Wilson witnessed
2 glowing objects hovering over
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a barn for about 45 minutes.
This event was originally
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reported in the Stillwater
newspaper.
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Fun fact, the location of Hobbs
sighting is one of the two signs
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that you can find around Elmwood
that mark these historical
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sightings.
March 14th, 1975 at 8:30 PM.
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The Gibbons were out
snowmobiling with another couple
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around the area of Plum City,
just about 15 miles South of
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Elmwood, when the party
witnessed 2 white lights and a
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large red light coming over a
nearby hill.
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What they originally thought was
a car on the road soon proved to
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be something completely
different as whatever it was was
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hovering over a nearby tree line
and was completely silent.
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The two couples speed off as
fast as they could towards a
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barn house that was nearby and
took shelter.
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They had no idea whose property
they were on at the time, but
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they just all felt the need to
run and hide from whatever it
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was.
This craft would later be
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described as almost identical to
the one that Carol Forster
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claimed to have been chased by
when driving home with her
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children, roughly the same shape
and color being radiated even
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down to the future of legs or
supports on the other side.
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This sighting, the Forester
event and Officer Wheeler's
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second experience all happened
within a year of each other.
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Now the Forester and Wheeler
events will be expanded upon in
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Part 2 where that episode will
be dedicated completely to the
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Forester and Wheeler events as
they are the three biggest
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events in The Elmwood Story.
1976 Once AUS Navy pilot during
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World War 2, Bob Schuller and a
friend of his witnessed a UFOA
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few miles South of town after
they specifically went looking
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for flying saucers.
The one detail about this
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sighting I was able to find was
that the thing they saw made
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absolutely no noise.
April and May 1976 about another
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six more sightings would be
reported describing minor events
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involving strange craft and our
lights in the sky in and around
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Elmwood in the month following
Officer Wheeler's second
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experience with a UFO.
Yet again, more on Officer
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Wheeler's experiences in the
next episode, one of which were
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only referred to as Mr. and
Misses Don Y, who were
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accompanied by Paul Fredrickson,
with Kathy H and GAIL B in the
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car immediately behind them.
They all witnessed something in
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the night sky on their way back
from an EMT training course, and
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all five people described the
craft as orange and glowing.
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Kathy and GAIL would again
witness an anomaly with two
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bright lights pointing in the
direction that it was flying,
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which seemed to keep pace with
their car.
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A week later on the night of May
20th, 1976.
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This time they were just outside
of River Falls, about 30 miles
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to the West of Elmwood on State
Road 29.
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After a period of watching
whatever it was moving just
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behind the tree line from their
point of view, they decided to
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pull over and watch to see what
it did.
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Almost immediately, the two lost
track of it and sat for a little
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while watching the night sky in
all directions.
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Surprised, one of them moved
their head outside of the window
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to look above the car where they
spotted it sitting about 80 to
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100 feet directly over them.
Both women sat and watched and
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gathered as much visual
information about the craft that
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they could.
This time details such as red
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and blue flashing lights on one
side, a perfectly round shape,
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and the craft just not being
very big.
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As the women began to move
again, the craft began moving in
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the opposite direction until it
was completely out of sight.
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Also in 1967, Marge Hartung and
her husband Jerry were driving
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home from Marge's sister's
wedding between Ellsworth and
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Prescott as they witnessed an
object in the sky that they
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described as quote as tall as a
silo and milkhouse.
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The object didn't seem to be
moving, it just kind of hung
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there in the sky.
October 1977 at 10:30 PM a large
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orange light was spotted near
the quarry on Tuttle Hill by
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Paul Frederickson and his son
Mark as the two were heading
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home from work.
Mark was the first to spot the
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object as it seemed to be coming
from the direction of their home
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in the east.
His original thoughts were that
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it was simply the moon, but
after he realized that it was
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rising way too fast, he decided
to pull over to get out of the
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car and watch whatever it was.
When the light moved directly
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over them, the Fredricksons were
able to get a very good and rare
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look at the phenomenon.
Paul described it as being a
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disc shaped metallic craft about
100 feet in diameter, which is
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making a sound that reminded
them of a waterfall.
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The most notable detail other
than the size and the glow were
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the two beams of light coming
from one side of the craft, one
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of which was blue and the other
being green.
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The craft continued past the men
at a height estimated as about
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500 to 1000 feet before fading
out.
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A view to the West.
Also in October 1977, this time
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in Ellsworth, a woman named
Patricia Kay and her son
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witnessed a large glowing white
light with two red flashing
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lights seemingly attached to the
same, hard to define mainframe.
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The other very noticeable detail
that Patricia reported when she
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called the local Police
Department was a sound that
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reminded her of a helicopter.
Now you know, without any other
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context this seems to have been
a helicopter due to the common
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layout of the front facing
Searchlight and an upper and
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lower anti collision light that
flashes red.
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This requirement came to be in
July of the same year, 1977 by
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the Federal Aviation
Administration, more commonly
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known as the FAA.
On the same night in October
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1977, Reverend G and his wife
witnessed an estimated 100 yard
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wide craft flying overhead.
This time there was no sound
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reported with the sighting, as
well as red and green lights,
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with the frame of the craft
having three windows near the
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center from their point of view.
Unfortunately, I was unable to
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find a source that gave me the
exact location for the sighting,
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but an unknown dated article
from the Pierce County Herald
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and Noah Voss's book UFO
Wisconsin vaguely made it seem
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as if it also happened in the
same town of Patricia Kay's
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sighting that same night of
Ellsworth.
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With Patricia's sighting
sounding very much like a
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misidentification of an actual
helicopter, this sighting could
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help lend to her belief that it
was not such, especially if it
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was in the same town.
On the same July 1980, Lester
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Anderson, living about 6 miles
east of Elmwood, reports seeing
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an orange yellow light that lit
up their yard at around 2:00 in
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the morning.
Quote, I'm 68 years old.
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I'm no kid.
I've never seen anything like
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that before.
As quoted by an unknown
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newspaper from July 29th, 1980,
authored by Joe Rhodes.
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January 1986. 17 year old Dawn
Schroeder and 18 year old
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Chrissy Larson were driving home
to Elmwood at about 9:30 at
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night on Wisconsin 183 from a
basketball game in Pepin, where
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the girls witnessed a bright
white light almost directly
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above them.
Quote.
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It followed us for quite a
while, said Schroeder.
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There was no sound, just
occasional flicks of red and
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green.
August 1988 The Saturday, August
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20th, 1988 edition of the Leader
Telegram ran an article about 15
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to 20 circular burn marks found
in a field at the Evelyn
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Hutchins Farm at the
intersection of County Roads
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P&D.
The marks, varying in sizes from
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11:50 inches, were all
consistent in being the same
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purplish Gray color with a white
graphite like residue.
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The marks on the ground were
first discovered by Charles
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Hudson when he was cutting hay,
but a leader telegram quotes him
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as saying quote.
I didn't have any idea what they
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were.
It's pretty strange.
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There doesn't seem to be any
kind of pattern to them.
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Who knows how they got there?
A local teenage girl who lives
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about a mile away from the farm
claims to have seen strange
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lights in the sky over the
Hutchinson's field with
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something dripping off whatever
it was to the ground.
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Samples were gathered by local
Tom Weber and sent off to
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Chicago for laboratory analysis.
Tom Webber being a very, very
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big story and the story of
Elmwood and UFOs in the sky will
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be expanded upon in part three.
So hang tight travelers.
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March 7th, 1988 A 17 year old
girl from Bay City and her
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friend witnessed an object in
the sky that had two steady
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white lights at one end and a
red flashing light on the other
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as it hovered over an area that
they believed to be the
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direction of Elmwood.
The girls were curious about
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what it could be, so they
decided to drive up closer, but
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when the lights started heading
their way and rested about 20
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feet above them, the driver U
turned and drove away.
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Unfortunately for the girls,
whatever it was, it was able to
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keep pace with them at 60 mph.
Flying at the same 20 foot
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height, the two girls made all
the way to Red Wing, MN before
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the light went away.
In the March 9th, 1988 edition
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of the Pierce County Herald, the
17 year old driver was quoted
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quote.
We didn't hear anything so we
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know it wasn't an airplane or a
helicopter.
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Now from my own personal opinion
here without any other context,
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this seems to have been a
helicopter with its front facing
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Searchlight on as well as the
tail anti collision light which
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would flash red.
April 22nd, 1988 at 2:30 AM.
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Another object was reported by a
woman by the name of an S that
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seemed to have matched the
description of the incident with
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the two girls from Bay City, but
this time just east of
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Ellsworth.
Anne was able to give a little
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bit more detail when she
reported, such as the presence
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of a yellow color light on its
side, the fact that it looked to
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be spinning, and that the size
of the craft was, quote,
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slightly smaller than a hot air
balloon.
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April 23rd, 1988 at 3:00 AM.
The very next day, a local
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Elmwood man by the name of
Anthony P reports seeing strange
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lights at the quarry and strange
humming sounds that seemed to be
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accompanying them.
Local investigators determined
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that the humming sound coming
from the quarry was in fact
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coming from a rock crusher being
used by workers at the time, but
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many researchers and locals
believe that this is not the
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case.
The quarry is within range of
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many houses to hear such a piece
of machinery being run at 3:00
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AM, and it is not clear as to
whether they were even allowed
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to run such a machine at the
time without violating the noise
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ordinance of the town.
April 28th, 1988.
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Five days later, nine AMA
husband and wife reported seeing
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a flashing object moving from
side to side while they were
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driving on Ellsworth Stone
Hammer Rd.
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The couple remain anonymous in
their reporting and have never
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been able to answer any follow
up questions, but the article in
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the River Falls, WI Journal that
was published shortly after
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quoted this mystery woman as
referring to the lights as quote
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like a strobe light.
Whatever it was, it was
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completely silent and had a
white and green light that they
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watched bounce from one side of
the sky to the other numerous
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times in the 20 minutes the
couple watched it.
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One other anonymous caller from
nearby also reported the exact
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same phenomenon in the sky.
That night, June 1988, an
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unnamed family that was
travelling between Elmwood and
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Ellsworth witnessed a bright
orange ball of light in the sky
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just above the horizon.
They watched as four smaller
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white lights separated from the
orange light and began
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zigzagging at impossible angles
at the speeds that they were
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travelling before re emerging
with the original orange light.
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A few seconds later, the large
orange light shoots up into the
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sky and out of view.
The entire amount of time the
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family witnessed the event was
about 15 minutes, with the
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smaller lights being separated
from the large one for about 5
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minutes.
No Noah Voss listed different
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colors and the lights in his
book UFO Wisconsin, with a large
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light being white and the small
ones being red.
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I used the colors that were used
because of the article in which
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I first read the report.
Now I would like to take the
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time for a few minutes to thank
the town of Elmwood, which
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helped provide the collection of
historical articles and reports
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by simply keeping an incredible
record all these years.
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Unfortunately, the June 1988
sighting that was just
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referenced was the newest report
that they had on file in the
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collection that I was warranted
to study.
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I would personally like to thank
the town of Elmwood and
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specifically Amy Beschel who
stands as the President of the
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UFO Days Festival event that we
will discuss in part three of
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this presentation.
Without her help, this
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presentation would not have been
possible as she was nice enough
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to take myself and my Co host
Jake on a personal tour of
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locations like the quarry on
Tuttle Hill and the road where
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Carol Forster was chased by an
unidentified glowing object in
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the sky.
More on that one, of course, in
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the next episode.
But yet again, thank you, Amy.
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We really do appreciate that.
The CIA and UFO Working Group In
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February of 1987, Colonel Harold
E Phillips of the Defense
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Intelligence Agency LED in the
creation of an interagency team
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called the UFO Working Group to
study UFOs for purposes
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involving National Defense and
anything else the Pentagon
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deemed necessary.
Author J Raff describes the
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original build of personnel as
involving generals from both the
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Army and Air Force, DIA
scientists and Army Colonel,
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three members of the National
Security Agency, a member of the
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Central Intelligence Agency's
Intelligence Division, and a
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small team from the CIA's
Science and Technology
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Directorate.
In 1990, a book titled Out There
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by New York Times reporter,
Pulitzer Prize nominee, author,
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and investigator Howard Blum was
published.
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Blum, who wrote the entirety of
this book, following nationwide
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investigations of the previously
mentioned UFO Working Group, due
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in part to cooperation with two
unknown sources within the
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group.
One of these investigations was,
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of course, in Elmwood, WI in the
summer of 1988 and included
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members of the CIAS Domestic
Collection Division.
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Two members of this team took to
Elmwood under the guise of being
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NASA engineers, where they
conducted interviews with
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experiencers and witnesses as
well as gathered medical records
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of those involved and took soil
samples from all the locations
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mentioned by those that they
interviewed.
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This seems to have BeenVerified
by a small number of articles in
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various newspapers in the late
80s which refer to members of
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NASA interviewing locals and
apparently showing interest in
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Weber's UFO landing spot, which
we'll dive into in part three.
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According to author Jay Rath in
his book The West Files, the
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team's findings were anti
climatic, quoting the team as
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saying quote, we just don't know
what's in the skies over
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Elmwood.
But what is more interesting
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here is the theory brought
forward by researcher Timothy
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Good who believes that this
mysterious quote UN quote UFO
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working group was none other
than Project Aquarius.
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That was once a secret team of
remote viewers working in the
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shadows of the government on
topics of anti submarine warfare
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and UFO information gathering.
Under the watchful eye of a
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Colonel R Donnie Phillips, who
researcher and debunker Philip
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Kloss claims to have discovered
is a man who stands as a
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pseudonym for the real Colonel
John Alexander.
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This of course means that
Phillips is actually Alexander,
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who also was the former head of
the Los Alamos Non Lethal
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Weapons Research Program.
Why is he important?
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Well, according to author Jay
Rath in his book The West Files,
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Alexander just so happens to be
the last person to hold a
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private meeting with UFO
research organizations
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nationwide.
Cash cow and owner of the
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infamous Skinwalker Ranch,
Robert Bigelow before he halted
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funding to organizations such as
MUFON, QFOS, and the Fund for
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UFO Research.
Now it would seem that one of
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the only, if not the only
organization that receives
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funding from Bigelow is the
National Institute of Discovery
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Science, better known as NIBS.
The conspiracy deepens because
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the theorized head of this
organization is none other than
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John Alexander.
But why is that important?
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Well, as author J Rath mentions,
Alexander was also a member of
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another organization known as
The Aviary, which was another
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UFO organization in the 1980s
that is now well known for
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providing large doses of
misinformation to the UFO
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research community with the main
target seeming to be a man by
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the name of William Moore.
Moore is famous within UFO
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circles as being the man who
circulated the MJ 12 documents.
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MJ 12 or more commonly referred
to as Majestic 12 was the secret
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government UFO research group
that was seemingly established
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in 1947 immediately after the
UFO crash in Roswell, NM and was
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based out of the brand new
government organization known as
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the CIA.
This is where it all comes full
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circle back to the small town
that was visited by these quote,
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UN quote NASA engineers who were
really CIA members attached to
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the mysterious quote, UFO
working group that claimed to
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not have found anything of
substance in the UFO capital of
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the world, Elmwood, WI.
Well, that's it travelers.
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That is the end of part one of
our coverage of Elmwood, WI.
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I hope you enjoyed it.
Then we had to get a lot of
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those smaller events out of the
way to make room for the big
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ones.
Next week on Part 2 of UFOs Over
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Elmwood, we'll be diving into
the Carol Forster event as well
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as the two from Officer Wheeler.
And in part three, we'll dive
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into every other piece of
information that you need on
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Elmwood that doesn't involve
sightings.
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Now, yeah, on the end of this
episode, we jumped into a little
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bit of why the CIA was in
Elmwood and why they came and as
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the guise of NASA engineers.
And remember, they seemingly
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didn't find anything in Elmwood.
But why were they so interested?
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And why was it that the UFO
Working Group continued to keep
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its eye?
I'm the small town of Elmwood,
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Wisconsin.
And until next time, I'll see
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you right back here in this path
of the infinite Rabbit hole.
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Bye.
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This line represents the time
present 1985.
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Future Past Prior to this point
in time, somewhere in the past,
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1989 alternate tune near
Einstein.
