218. Interviewing the Racine Paranormal Investigators

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Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit
Hole.

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I'm your host, Jeremy, and today
we have a handful of guests in

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the house.
Before we get to them, you have

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to listen to us.
Well, you already heard from me.

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Let's go ahead and hear from the
one Co host I have tonight.

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And that is the beautiful
reverse hair on their head.

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Jeff.
Yeah, I got, I got told the

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other day, Jeff, that they love
the nicknames I come up with for

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you.
Who's they first of all?

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They that's all you got to.
Oh, OK.

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It's just they it's actually
nobody.

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I said that myself.
I just wanted to to say that I

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love the nicknames that I come
up with for you.

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Gotcha, because when I say they
I'm talking about lizard people.

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I feel like when you say they,
it's like your imaginary

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friends.
That's true.

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It is.
But yeah, they really like the

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nicknames I come up with for
you.

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And today it's reverse hair on
the head guy.

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Sick.
Yep, that's you.

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Yeah, well, I'm, I'm, I'm good.
I'm great.

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I'm here.
Do anything fun this weekend,

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man.
No, not really.

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I was lazy.
I worked all week.

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It sucked.
So yesterday I just sat around.

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Today I went and saw mom and
Crystal's mom and came home and

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sat around.
Nice, nice.

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Well, I went to my boys soccer
game a few towns away.

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I drastically changed the plans
for the new podcast coming out

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in July 1st.
Change the name, change the

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thumbnail, change literally
everything about it.

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All in one day.
Yeah, that's all I did.

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Sick.
So that's all the updates.

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We don't have Jake here today.
Jake unfortunately had to fly

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out to California to attend a
funeral for family so he's not

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here.
Well we wish them the best but

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we do have 3 guests in the
house.

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They are the Racine Paranormal
Investigators, RPI for short and

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we have Ron, Corey and Arthur.
Now, fun story, we actually got

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in touch with them through a
good friend of of the show,

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actually an official member of
the show, Skeeter, who is our

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our electronics guy.
The guy who saved our asses at

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UFO days by taking an ancient
piece of visual equipment and

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turning it into passable
equipment to make it look like

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we actually knew what we were
doing.

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So Skeeter has been requesting
this for a very long time,

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pushing me and pushing me and
pushing me and we finally got it

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to happen.
Ron and I have been talking,

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finally made it work.
So without further ado, let's

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start with Ron.
Ron, welcome to the infinite

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rabbit hole, man.
How's it going?

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Thank.
You so much thank you so much.

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Happy Mother's Day to all the
mothers out there.

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Thank you so much for having us
on here.

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Special shout out to Skeeter
for, for getting us together.

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Appreciate that.
Yeah, it's, it's been something

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else, getting it, getting it all
ironed out.

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But I'm glad we were able to.
Get.

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This all worked out.
Yeah, man, it it, it took a

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minute, but it is what it is.
Sometimes these things just

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aren't the easiest to put
together.

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And believe it or not, this this
was not the hardest line up I've

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ever had to do.
I I'm telling you that there's

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been a lot harder in the past.
So by any means, this, this was,

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this was not that bad.
But Ron, before we come back to

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you and hear a little bit about
the story of RPI, let's go ahead

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and get into your, your, your
team here.

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We're going to start off with
the first one to show up, which

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is Arthur.
Arthur, how you doing today?

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Good.
And yourself.

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Doing great Arthur.
Let's hear just a a little bit

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about who who you are and what
you bring to the RPI team.

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I've been doing paranormal
investigating since I was 18, so

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about close to 40 years now.
Got into demonology work through

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some very famous people and Ron
and I actually connected through

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a mutual friend and I kind of
like, it's OK for me to say

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this.
Ron, I kind of like nurtured the

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group, so to speak, to kind of
like steer them in AI mean there

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there's a lot of talent there,
there's a lot of enthusiasm, but

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it was like first trying to hurt
squirrels and I kind of like

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focus them in and, and got them
to be a really good team and

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they're very good at what they
do.

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I had my own team when I lived
in Waukesha for many years.

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So I still do work with Ron.
I do work with the church.

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They they call me, you know, if
they got a question about a

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possible demonic case or
possession case or something

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like that, they have other
groups call me for stuff like

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that.
So yeah, that's, that's kind of

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where where I sit with this.
Very cool.

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So, so you're, you're you're,
you're a demonologist.

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Yes.
How?

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How did you get into that?
Believe it or not, from Lorraine

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Warren.
Really, Yes.

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I didn't think we were going to
go down this path tonight.

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Well this was like got eons ago.
I think it had to be close to

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almost 40 years ago.
I was just, I was asked to help

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out on a case just back then as
by word of mouth, there was no

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Internet or anything like that.
And they had a bunch of people

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there.
And at that time, I had already

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been doing investigating for
like a couple of years.

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And the issue I always ran into
was people who were supposedly

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psychic.
They were like always giving me

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the cold shoulder and I never
knew why.

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So I just thought, OK, they
think they're better than

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everybody else.
And lo and behold, she's on this

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case and we were taking a break
and I was just sitting there

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eating my lunch and she came up
to me and sat next to me and

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give her the time of day.
And she goes, I don't, I think

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you don't like me too much.
I like to be honest with you.

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I don't like any psychic.
I'm like, they're always give me

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the cold shoulder.
I don't, I'm not assuming that

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they think they're better than I
am or not.

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And she goes, I know why they're
not talking to you and giving

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you.
She goes, I can't read you.

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She goes, nobody can.
And from there, we just started.

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We had conversations and she
said that you have a good gift

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of reading.
It's not so much an aura.

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It's entered people's energy.
And that's like different colors

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of the spectrum from black to
white.

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And she and a couple other well
known psychics, they kind of

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like coached me on it.
And yeah, that's how I kind of

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got started with it.
We're going to come back to that

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because the, the whole Lorraine
and Ed Warren thing is a is a

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very interesting thing.
I'd like to hear more about your

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thoughts on Lorraine and Ed and
and the whole the, the, the

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background there and and what
you your personal thoughts and

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feelings are on on their whole
story and everything.

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But I want to get the Corey here
it is Corey, how?

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I'm great.
How are you?

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So who?
Who are you and what do you

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bring to RBI?
What?

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Right on.
How so?

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So like an assistant kind of
thing?

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OK, OK, come on.
OK, see, I'm sure, I'm sure

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Arthur has his his way of, of
nurturing.

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Now, the way Jeff nurtures it,
it involves taking off his

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shirt.
And it's.

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It's weird.
But mine is more like scolding.

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You can ask around about that,
yeah.

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All right, Ron, Big Brother man,
back, back to you.

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Give me you're, you're, you're
the big guy, right?

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You're, you're, you're the the
creator of RPI the the founder,

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the owner.
What is what is the Racine

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paranormal investigators?
Give give me the the back story

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and where you guys are at today.
Back in, back in 2014, I was,

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I'm on mobile DJ just like
Skeeter is, and I was DJ ING and

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I got ready to load up my van
outside of the Masonic Temple

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here in Racine.
And there you go, Jeff.

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And so I was loading my van up
and, and I got all ready to go.

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It was like 20° out, freezing
wind chill, God knows what, and

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got my my van and I didn't have
a window.

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Men didn't have a mirror on the
the front window, but I had the

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two mirrors, one on this side
and 1:00 on that side.

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So I got ready to back up.
So I checked the one mirror like

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everybody else does before they
had the TV screens in the in the

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consoles.
And I looked on the left side,

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got ready to back up and I saw
this tall man wearing kind of

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like a fedora hat, all black
leather looking trench coat

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jacket or something.
And I saw this this individual

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go from one mirror all the way
into the next mirror.

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And I'm like, what the hell, I
almost hit this guy, you know,

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So I got I got out and I went to
go look for him.

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And in Racine, the parking lot
from from that place to used to

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be Hope City Church is, is
there's no way this guy could

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have ran in a trench coat to get
from one get to my car or from

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my car into this place.
So I was like, what the heck.

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So I saw the lady that runs the
place at the time, Wendy

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Spencer's Wendy Spencer, and she
said that, oh, it's probably

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David.
David likes to hang out inside

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the stuff.
Yes, definitely.

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That was like, it was like
David, this guy that used to

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live there, it's probably him
hanging out by the stairwell

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because he's like likes to do
that.

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So like, oh, OK, that makes me a
little worried.

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So I started doing some research
on Facebook and I found a

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paranormal page called Racine
Paranormal Friends.

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Some guy ran it.
There was no post recently.

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So I asked if I could assist
and, you know, make some posts

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and ask some questions and this
and that and, and there was a

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few of us that are in the, that
are still in the group.

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And I was like, hey, what do you
guys think about us getting

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together sometime?
So we got together, we met up,

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then we started, we're seeing
paranormal investigators.

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It was like 5 or 6 of us.
And after that we, we were busy.

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We've been busy ever since.
Hasn't been too busy lately.

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Seems like after COVID things
are a little weird even even as

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far as investigations are
concerned.

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But we've been together since
2014, almost had ATV show in

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2018.
We signed the papers and

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everything.
To.

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Go forward with the show from
Rugged Productions out of Los

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Angeles.
They came out from LA, met with

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us and everything.
Everything was set and then we

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got ready to do the sizzle reel
and they went ahead and canned

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us.
So yeah, yeah, we came really

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close.
So you know, that's.

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Pretty neat man.
We're, we're active.

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We're active on social media as
much as possible.

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We also have Wisconsin
paranormal radio show that we,

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we host myself, Arthur and
Katie, which is another founding

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member.
And we we brought Ed Lauren,

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Lauren's son-in-law, on that
show, Tony.

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So.
Huh.

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Yeah.
So we've been busy.

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That's that's, that's cool and.
We just for animal.

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Conference last year, so you
started off in Racine?

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Yeah.
How quick did it take for you to

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expand outside of that?
Well, we ran into situations

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where people were moving out of
town, such as like art and, you

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know, art was kind of like,
well, I mean, I'm up here.

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I mean, I can help, you know,
but you know, it's may not be

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able to go to the
investigations.

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And for me as a, as him being a
mentor, I have no problem with

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him staying, you know what I
mean?

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And and some of the others too,
that have moved.

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Some people have moved and came
back, you know, and if I see

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qualities in somebody, it's very
hard for me to let them go, as

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Corey may know.
And yeah.

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You know.
I keep them.

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I, you know, try to keep, keep
the the team intact even if

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they're out of town.
We have somebody in Madison in

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our group too.
So for the reason called RPI at

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the time.
So they're kind of staying in an

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area.
How many how many investigators

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do you have on the team now?
We have 16, 16, yeah.

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And how often would you say you
do investigations?

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It can range.
We've had some months, we do

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three at a time in a month and
then all of a sudden completely

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quiet for a month to two.
You know, it can change very

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quickly.
And then we may go out to

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different locations, such as
we've been in Waverly Hills,

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down in Kentucky, we've been to
the Ohio State reformatory,

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Corey and I.
That's cool.

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Which was amazing, by the way,
sent you some photos of that

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that Corey had in the video.
That was the Shawshank

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Redemption.
It was filmed there and Air

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Force One where the the the
kingpin or whoever was the the

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the bad guy was coming out of
prison.

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That shot right there was from
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Yeah.
And in Corey, you've been to

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let's see, Arlington, right or
not Arlington, Gettysburg.

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Gettysburg, Yeah.
Let's see.

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Am I?
Yeah, we would.

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You got AOL over there around.
So here's here's the pictures

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that that were sent to me.
What is this that we're looking

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at here?
Was that was that pit there

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when, when the reformatory was
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That's crazy.
That's that's not good.

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That's not the code.
Yeah.

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Let's see what else we got here.
So what's what's going on here?

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Oh, right here.
Yeah.

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So what?
What's going on here?

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Yeah, I thought I sent it.
Let's see here.

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Oh yeah, so you got here.
Yeah.

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Just sent it.
Oh yeah, this right here.

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I just sent that that.
Over.

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This right here is at Brosman's
Bar out in Franksville.

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And what I did was I took my IR
light from like a security

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camera.
And just by chance, I crossed

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over with my handheld camera and
this image came up.

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And I can't tell if it's an
Indian or if it's maybe like a a

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black servant or something or
what.

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But you can see that there's
something's there I don't know.

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If you if you look, there's like
a like a like Indians, maybe

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choker kind of thing, some type
of garment wearing.

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But the next photo kind of gives
a larger background.

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Let me see here.
And I just sent you over the the

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other one, the other photo for
Corey.

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I thought, I thought I sent it.
This one here.

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So were you sitting at this bar
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This is where you were sitting?
This is.

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Interesting, interesting.
I have, I've, I've only had one

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experience that you can call
paranormal in nature.

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I haven't really had much in, in
the way of like spirits or, you

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know, ghosts, right?
I was on deployment and there

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were stories going around of of
a little girl and a janitor on

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this hospital ship that I was
on.

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And I show you not I'm dead
asleep one night and I feel

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somebody tuck my toe and I wake
up and I'm like, I mean, guys do

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weird stuff all the time, right?
Trust me, it's that's not the

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weirdest thing that's happened
to me, but I'm like, y'all need

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to knock that shit off.
And then all of a sudden this

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little girl chuckle just rings
out in the middle of the

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barracks.
And it, I was like, that's

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weird, really weird.
I, I don't think any of the

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grown men in the barracks could
have done that.

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It was, it was odd.
It's the only thing that I ever

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had in my life that I can even
say came anywhere near a

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paranormal experience with a
spirit or anything like that.

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So I don't have a lot to, to
compare that to.

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But of course, you know, we have
talked about this kind of stuff

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plenty of times here on the
infinite rabbit Hole and we all

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have our theories.
What, what are you guys looking

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at?
What, what, what are you guys

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looking at as a possibility when
you're investigating this stuff?

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Like what, what, where are your
thoughts at for the answer

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behind this stuff?
What?

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What are these things?
You want to go into that?

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But that's, that's a can of
worms.

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Oh yeah, Like Ron knows this.
My, my favorite saying is, is

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when you're doing investigations
like the old peeling the onion

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thing.
So it's you look at the logical

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stuff first.
Once you discount that, then you

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got to start looking at
everything else because you got

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to take it one step at a time.
You can't go off in 800

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different directions if it's
actual physical contact like

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with what you had it it did.
You say this was on a ship.

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Yeah, it was, it was on the, IT
was literally on the the bottom

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level where the, the male
barracks is the the east E5 and

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below barracks of the USNSA
Comfort, which is the big white

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hospital ship with, with the Red
Cross on it.

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See, I would like to look at the
history of that ship.

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But being a hospital ship, did
they take care of civilians too?

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That the mission that I was on
was was a civilian mission.

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Oh.
There you.

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Go Yeah, it it could be from a
kid that was traumatized on that

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ship, you know, not from you
guys, but, you know, brought on

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the ship from some kind of
trauma or whatever, maybe passed

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away during surgery, after
surgery, recovery, whatever.

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So she's still lingering there.
So let's, let's dig.

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Let's dig because we we like to
go down little tangents here,

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right?
So what I'm picking up is that

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you guys are are are under you
guys are playing around with the

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assumption that these things are
are spirits as in defined as in

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the the human spirit.
You know that that would be the

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typical definition.
If you can rule out all of the

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rational explanations, that's
the next step, yeah.

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Yeah, we went to Blunk. 1st OK,
cool Jeff, you got anything?

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I mean, you know, I'm not
necessarily the paranormal guy.

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I'm, you know, it's not really
my thing.

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I've only actually had one
experience.

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I wouldn't even call it
paranormal.

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It was just more of a maybe it
was, I don't know.

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But I'm going to kind of just
lean into what I always think

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with these things is that it is
probably either like some

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demonic or interdimensional
entities.

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It's kind of like where my
thought always goes to 1st when

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I hear anything about ghosts or
paranormal activity or like gin

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of some kind, like some
trickster entities, you know,

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they would like you to think
that it's some kind of person's

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soul or spirit or whatever, but
it's really not.

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That's kind of my gut reaction.
So go ahead, Corey.

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Residual.
Yeah, yeah, no, I, I chase that

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all the time too.
I, it's funny because I get

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asked that quite a bit, you
know, why do you look into this

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stuff?
And, you know, I, I always

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answer, you know, probably never
know the answer to any of this,

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but just looking into it and,
and having these, these fun

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conversations about, about the
possibilities of them and

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hearing people's, the, the way
that they decipher some of the

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information and, and the
outcomes that they come up with

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is, is fun in its own way,
right.

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And then, and then you take the
way that they've deciphered it

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and you're like, man, wow, that
makes a lot of sense.

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And, and, and it's a connection
that you've never made before.

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And now that you've you've
interpreted that connection and

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you've injected it into the
connections that you've already

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made on your own, now you can
create a new interpretation of

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the situation.
And with a.

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Whole new answer to go ahead.
No, go ahead.

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Go ahead, go ahead.
Sorry.

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Go ahead, Jeremy.
No, I, I was pretty much done.

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I was just going to say it's,
it's, it's fun to, you know, to

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use other people's tools and to
come up with these, these

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things.
And, and you know, part of the

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fun is that a lot of this will
never, ever be answered.

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And that, that's, that's why the
infinite rabbit hole is such a

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fun episode or podcast to do
because the, all the Co hosts

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that we've ever had on the show
and all the Co hosts that are on

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the show right now, including
Jake, who's not with us tonight.

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We all have different points of
views on things.

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But yet I can tell you one
thing.

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I've I've learned things from
both of Jeff and Jake and all

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other codes that I've ever had
on here that I still use in the

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way I interpret the unknown.
And I, I've done that with

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multiple guests and everything.
And it's just, it's, it's a lot

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of fun.
So Corey, I know exactly what

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you're talking about.
I've literally built this

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podcast on that same exact
premise.

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I love it.
Can I interject something to

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your listeners then?
Yeah, absolutely.

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It's.
Along that line, Ron has heard

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me say this a million times.
Anybody, I don't care if it's

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the paranormal world, demonic
world, whatever you want to call

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it.
Anybody says that they're

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professional and they know
everything.

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Run from them.
Run away fast.

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That's I've been doing this for
almost 40 years and I'm the

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first to admit I don't know
everything that I.

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Sometimes I get a little, a
little, what's the best way to

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put it, a little passionate
about that, that particular

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piece because I, I, I hate it.
I hate when people are like, I'm

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a professional Bigfoot hunter.
Like, no, no, the fuck you're

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not, right?
Where's your big feats at, man?

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Yeah.
Exactly.

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They say they know everything.
You know, like I said, run.

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Just just run from those people.
You know, I, I hate that crap,

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man.
I do.

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Like, I, I'm never going to tell
you that I'm a professional or

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anything.
I, I don't have a degree.

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I, you know, I, I love physics.
I love it.

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I love all kinds of good math
and science and everything, but

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I've never been to college for
any of it.

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Actually, I did.
I got kicked out, but that's

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another story.
Partied a little too hard.

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And I, I, I would never, ever go
to anybody and say I'm a

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professional.
You need to listen to what I got

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to say.
It's I think it's absolutely

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hilarious when people are like,
you need to buy my book because

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I am a professional on this
unknown thing that has no

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answer.
Exactly.

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That's like, yes.
So just just that was just a

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little tidbit for your listeners
and that, yeah, someone tells

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you that.
Just run.

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Yeah, Don't take help from them.
Don't you know, don't ask them

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to help you.
Just smile, nod, and walk away.

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Speaking of, this is a very good
segue, unless Ron, did you have

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anything else that you wanted to
to bring in?

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Yeah, I just, I just want to say
this that we, we going in a, a

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carrying approach, especially
when we're doing homes, home

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investigations, because we do,
because we do a lot more of

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those than going to, you know,
destination type, you know,

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hauntings or whatnot.
So we we come in with with the

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attitude of, Hey, how can I help
you?

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You know, we referred them to
Human Services and different

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things.
We've got them help assistance

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and when we could.
And sometimes it just needed

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something to talk to outside of,
you know, what we're doing as

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far as investigating.
We don't come in with the the

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guy named starts with AZ.
We don't come in with the the

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whole come at me bro attitude.
We come in and say, Hey, you

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know, we're here to help Zach,
so we don't come in, douchebag.

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That guy.
Yeah.

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It's, it's funny because I mean,
I know one of the guys on the

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real cold dude, but but yeah, we
don't, we don't do that.

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We come in caring and whatnot.
And then what we do is we do a

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walkthrough and our thought is
this is we come in with a

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passive provoking, basically
kind of walk around with a

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Bible, actually read the Bible
and, and see if there's any

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reactions to the house.
And if there is, then we, we

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investigate further.
But that's something a little

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bit more into it.
We also do an actual interview

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with them, Corey and I, we, a
lot of times what we'll do is

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we'll meet with the meet with
them first and then set up

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another day.
So then it gives time to see if

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there's any reactions to us
showing up.

447
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:05,720
And sometimes there is.
So that kind of helps us to get

448
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:08,960
a better idea what's going on.
So we try to come in with an

449
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,880
open mind and help them go
ahead.

450
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,320
I have a feeling that Jake's
going to end up listening to

451
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,960
this episode and then he's going
to be like, we got to have them

452
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,120
back on because I didn't get to
ask them any questions.

453
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,440
Jake is our, he's a, he's a
Christian guy.

454
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:26,360
So he looks at all the unknowns
and everything that we talk

455
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,320
about through the Christian
viewpoint.

456
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:33,160
So this was, this was a, you
know, this was a, an episode

457
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,400
that he was looking forward to
being on, but unfortunately he

458
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:41,640
had to, to do something.
What kind of reactions do you

459
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:46,800
get specifically when you, when
you read off Bible verses is

460
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:52,640
what, what are you looking for?
And then let's also hear about

461
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,080
some of your strongest
reactions.

462
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,960
And then I also want to know,
sorry, I'm piling them all up on

463
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,720
you, but I want to make sure I
get them out because I'm going

464
00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:05,480
to lose track of them.
I want to know how often do you

465
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:11,400
get a response to a Bible verse?
Well, we had a case one.

466
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:11,880
Time.
You.

467
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,640
Me.
Yeah, let me just, yeah, I just

468
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,480
want to say this one case real
quick is we had we had a case

469
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:24,160
one time where a woman was
getting scratched all over her

470
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:29,160
body Marks and whatnot.
And I and I told her, I think I

471
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,040
told you about this before.
Art kind of lead me what to do.

472
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,880
And we run around the house and
with the EMF detector, which

473
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,520
stands for Electron, Electron
electronic magnetic Fields,

474
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,040
basically just kind of checking
the areas.

475
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,400
And we weren't getting no
baseline readings at all and

476
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,080
anything.
Nothing was working.

477
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,120
Corey, were you with me on this
one?

478
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:54,440
OK, this might be for you.
Yeah, it might be for you.

479
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,520
And so we're this.
Is BC.

480
00:36:58,520 --> 00:36:59,920
Yeah.
So nothing came up.

481
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:05,280
And it's like, OK, so when we
got there, went over everything.

482
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,520
And then I said, let's have a
seat.

483
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,320
You know, we'll talk some more.
So we had seat and I said, you

484
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,720
have a Bible.
She said, yeah, like, OK, I

485
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:16,520
said, can you take it out?
Now, if she has a Bible, then I

486
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,880
have an idea that she kind of
knows how to read it, you know?

487
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,720
So she pulled the Bible out and
I said, can you do me a favor?

488
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:27,240
Can you read?
I picked the I picked the

489
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,120
somewhere in the Bible.
I said, can you read this?

490
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:35,760
And she started stuttering
through the words of the Bible.

491
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:42,080
Then I was like, you OK?
She goes, yeah, I'm just kind

492
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,080
of, well, not feeling so great.
I'm like, OK, all right, we'll

493
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,760
try a little harder because,
yeah, she went a little bit more

494
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,120
into it.
And then I said, OK, I'm going

495
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,800
to read it.
So I started reading it.

496
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,560
And then right away, she was
like, get out of my house, you

497
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:03,440
know, F you, get the hell out.
Time to go already yelling and

498
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,120
everything.
The husbands are like, they're

499
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,480
stay, stay, stay.
I'm like, OK, all right, cool,

500
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,200
we'll stay.
And then like what's out in the

501
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,240
living room?
I ran to the bathroom and I'm

502
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:16,640
calling the reverend because we
work with a reverend called, We

503
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:19,680
work with a reverend out out of
Madison sometimes.

504
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,360
And I called the reverend.
I said, hey, we got, we got

505
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:23,840
something going on over here.
I don't know what it is.

506
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,640
So he's asking some questions
and whatnot.

507
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,880
The reverend came, I believe the
next day came and did a did an

508
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,520
exorcism on her and she's been
OK ever since.

509
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:39,000
But Art and I have been to a few
exorcisms where we've been sent

510
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,440
over to to assist the reverend
before.

511
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,240
And Corey's been you've been to
one, right, Corey or two.

512
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,240
Yeah, yeah.
The one that was interesting.

513
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,120
That was interesting because
remember it was they were trying

514
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,600
to, it was she was trying to
blame COVID and, or the the

515
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:37,720
deep, Yeah.
Well, it's Reverend Michael,

516
00:39:43,120 --> 00:40:28,210
Yeah.
Yeah,

517
00:40:41,170 --> 00:41:00,740
yeah.
And choosing shadows there's

518
00:41:00,740 --> 00:41:12,260
sounds like somebody was
listening to turn on like toys

519
00:41:12,300 --> 00:41:17,060
the camera and ancient.
I'm heading to the restroom and

520
00:41:18,380 --> 00:41:21,020
I heard as soon as I come into a
snowflake.

521
00:41:21,340 --> 00:41:37,520
I had a crop in my ear and.
Yeah, sure did.

522
00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:10,360
And
and.

523
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,960
Yeah, that was, that was wild.
And actually we ended up talking

524
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,440
to a medium member.
Remember Corey, we, we ended up

525
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,440
talking to a medium and they, we
went on that Google images or

526
00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:01,240
Google, Google Maps and you can
actually see the people in the

527
00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:06,240
windows, the spirit in the
windows, the, the mail, and then

528
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:07,520
the little boy in the
wheelchair.

529
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,840
It's crazy.
I wish I could find that photo

530
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:19,920
somewhere.
But yeah, what were you going to

531
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,280
say?
So no, go ahead.

532
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,200
I don't know.
I don't.

533
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,840
Know you you Jeremy was just
asking how we do the pest

534
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:35,080
provoking stuff and you know
it's it's not Ron kind of gave a

535
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:39,640
Reader's Digest version which
works the nice everyone goes

536
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,320
well so you automatically
everything's demonic No, you can

537
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,920
ask Ron you can ask anyone
that's been in this Group A long

538
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,480
time.
I'm the most skeptical person in

539
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,320
the world It's like you have to
prove it to me before I'm going

540
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,840
to say yeah this is demonic but
there there's different things

541
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,680
we can do the best to provoke is
1.

542
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:04,920
I usually with the EMF or any of
those kind of tools, if every

543
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,760
house is going to have some kind
of EMF field in it, whether it's

544
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,480
from appliances, whatever.
But if it's completely dead and,

545
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,560
and then you know you got a
working EMF, meaning it's

546
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,840
completely dead.
Even if you go up to an outlet

547
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:22,680
or Nope, the light on the, the
stove or microwave and there's

548
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,120
nothing there that's a good
indication something's trying to

549
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:29,560
hide from you.
Also, when you read the Bible

550
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,200
verses, I always have audio
recorder someone following me

551
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,960
around with an audio recorder
because you can't always hear

552
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,560
stuff right away either.
Everyone always assumes that

553
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,280
with a demon.
It's a deep growl noise.

554
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,560
A lot of times it's actually the
best way to describe it.

555
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,480
Call it a witch's cackle.
It's very high pitched.

556
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,440
So you'll get that you'll, you
can get a growl most of the

557
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,160
time.
It's like the witch's cackle.

558
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,760
And there's one time things can
be moved that you don't notice.

559
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:02,880
Ron knows, I think I told him
this one.

560
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:09,760
I was looking into a case for a
church and it was me and a guy

561
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,840
who I used to work with in
Moksha, Louise.

562
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,400
And we're passive provoking.
And I, I usually when I go out,

563
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:20,120
I wear a cross necklace.
And so we're going on passive

564
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,440
provoking.
We didn't hear anything and

565
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,400
we're cleaning up our gear and
awesome Louise turns white as a

566
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,680
ghost and I'm like, you OK, It
was look at your necklace and I

567
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,360
go to grab my necklace and it
ain't there.

568
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,680
I'm like, what the it's actually
wrapped around my belt loops.

569
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,960
I never took my belt off.
I'm like, oh, that's

570
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,640
interesting.
So we might have something here.

571
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:45,240
Weird.
So, so it's, it's, it's not

572
00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:47,000
automatic.
It's not like a 5 minute thing.

573
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,280
I can see, I feel like Jeff's
over there going uh huh, uh huh.

574
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,600
Sure.
It's not a 5 minute thing.

575
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,120
This takes time to to, you know,
nail these things down.

576
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,440
Yeah.
Jeff is sleepy.

577
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,800
No, I'm, you know, it's just,
I'm not even skeptical of I've

578
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,040
said this before on the show.
I'm not skeptical that the

579
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,240
things are happening.
I guess I'm just more, I think I

580
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:14,240
have a bigger problem with it's
like a semantic issue for me,

581
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:16,360
right?
Like set using the word demonic,

582
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,360
right?
Or using the word spirit even.

583
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,640
Like anything like that.
You automatically like going

584
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,200
back to what Corey was saying,
like we have no idea what this

585
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,160
is.
We probably never will know what

586
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,280
this is, right?
We could speculate forever.

587
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,080
And when we start slapping
certain labels on things like it

588
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,960
just gives like this idea of
what this is.

589
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,440
And I think that's the issue
that I have, right?

590
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,000
I, I do think people are having
all kinds of experiences and

591
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,920
spooky shit is definitely
happening and I do believe in

592
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,680
like call it evil entities,
right?

593
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,800
Demonic entities, if you will.
So I think it's all happening.

594
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:55,440
It's just it's hard for me to
all of my experiences for any of

595
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,080
this stuff is what's on
Discovery Channel, right?

596
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:02,960
So.
That's what you get you.

597
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,240
Know the flip side of this?
It's.

598
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:10,000
It's understandable and I would,
I always tell people, is that

599
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,400
what I'm talking?
I always tell people I don't

600
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,000
expect them to believe or
understand what I do or what we

601
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,120
do.
And most people won't until you

602
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,920
experience something yourself,
which I hope you never do, but

603
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,880
you know, and that may change
your mind and may not.

604
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:32,720
I mean, I've had several people
over the years who I've known

605
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:35,920
personally and they'll, they
used to just needle me all the

606
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,560
time thinking I'm just the
crackpot and everything else.

607
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,120
And then all of a sudden they're
running to me going, hey, you

608
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,440
know, you need to come over to
my house.

609
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,480
I think you got a ghost chair.
And I go, I'd be a smart ass

610
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,880
about it.
I'd go, hey, you don't believe

611
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,240
in ghosts.
Remember, there's no such thing.

612
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,560
So if as long as you're not
going to, you know, Pooh, Pooh,

613
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,800
what we do, I'm not going to
tell you you're right or wrong

614
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:00,520
either, you know?
Yeah.

615
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,280
For sure, I mean, listen, I'm
the hardcore conspiracy guy,

616
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,080
right, like I'm the first one to
go super deep on like shit that

617
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:11,160
you probably call me crazy in an
instant for it's true.

618
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,640
No, for real, like I'll go,
you'll be like, wow, get this

619
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:19,000
guy off here.
But and again, it's not that I

620
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,600
don't think shit's happening.
I mean, I've had what an

621
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,360
experience before.
I've talked to Jeremy about

622
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:24,960
this.
You know, I had a a nightmare

623
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:29,400
once and in that nightmare there
was like a six foot tall, call

624
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,240
it like a grey alien, but just
super scary, like a monster,

625
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,800
right?
Tall, skinny grey alien monster

626
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,000
type thing.
And it got right in my face,

627
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,040
right.
And it was chasing kids out of a

628
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,760
door and I tried to shut the
door behind these kids and it

629
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,480
bursted.
The door got out of my face.

630
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,440
I wake up and everything is
normal.

631
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,000
I'm like, holy shit, that was a
crazy dream.

632
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,760
And in that moment, I felt like
a weird tugging on the bottom of

633
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,920
the blanket by my foot.
And I was like, oh shit, let me

634
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,880
sit up to see what this is.
And I couldn't move.

635
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,440
And then I woke up again and
everything was in the exact same

636
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,200
position and like, everything
was fine.

637
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,400
And I was like, whoa, like, that
was the craziest.

638
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:10,760
Thing it's ever.
Had 6 foot and grey.

639
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,280
Are you sure that wasn't Al
Gore?

640
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,120
Great Segway.
Not not the Al Gore thing, but

641
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,840
great, great Segway.
Corey, you said that one of your

642
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,280
first experiences was with a
shadow person, correct.

643
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:37,520
Now shadow people are are one of
the more more common cases when

644
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:46,000
it comes to the paranormal on on
a wide range of, you know,

645
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:53,200
people, right?
It's it's kind of kind of kind

646
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,440
of to blend Jeff's story and and
Corey, your experience.

647
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,880
And I'm sure Ron and Arthur have
probably had their run insurance

648
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:05,520
with with shadow people or the
hat man or even.

649
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,400
But where I'm going with this
is, is sleep paralysis and the

650
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:17,840
story of the old hag or the as
you know, when you get into

651
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,520
religion or even ancient, you're
starting to get into the, the

652
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,560
incubus and the succubus side of
things.

653
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:33,040
Now, a lot of lore ties the
incubus and the succubus in with

654
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,920
the old hag or, you know, just
the the Gray shadowy figure that

655
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,640
you see with the sleep paralysis
phenomenon.

656
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,680
You know, like Jeff woke up, he
wasn't able to move.

657
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,000
That is a common symptom with
sleep paralysis.

658
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,320
It's right there in the in the
name.

659
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,560
And one of the most common
things that you see visually in

660
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,440
sleep paralysis is a shadowy
figure.

661
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:02,000
Sometimes it sits on your chest
and creates a, a, a, a feeling

662
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:08,000
of your chest being sunken in
and and and and and closing in

663
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:12,160
on your on your on your airwaves
now.

664
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,560
And Jeff, I'm, I'm just saying
that I mean, sleep paralysis

665
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,800
comes in all many different
shapes, sizes and forms, man,

666
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,480
It's, it's, there's really not a
lot and it, it seems to have a,

667
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,400
a cultural effect, right.
Like the old hag is a well, I

668
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,080
don't even.
Think of a shadow person because

669
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,160
like.
Well, no, because you you said

670
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,160
you said you were up and moving
with it in your dream.

671
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,000
In the dream I saw this thing
and I could tell you in vivid

672
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:43,200
detail, like it's skin texture
and the veins and the, you know,

673
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,520
like this, the oiliness on the
skin, like it was clearly

674
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,080
defined figure.
It was like a fucking monster,

675
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,720
you know?
So believe, believe it or not,

676
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:58,720
right now I know Slender Man is
a digital urban legend, right?

677
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:02,880
That is technically not in
existence.

678
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:07,520
It is something that is brought
upon to our beliefs and lore.

679
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,040
Now by way of what is it 4 Chan
or Reddit?

680
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,800
Right?
It's one of those modern

681
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,320
technologies that brought this
thing on creepypasta, if you

682
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:23,120
will.
But even that, if you go back

683
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,160
right and even if you go forward
in time, some people will even

684
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,280
tell you that it's a tulpa and
that it now exists because we

685
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:33,240
talk about it so much.
But then you have the stories of

686
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:38,680
damn what's what?
You have the old, the nursery

687
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:46,440
rhyme or the, the, the song
Peter Piper, right where Peter

688
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,280
would go out into the street
with his, with his pipe and, and

689
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,880
play it and all the kids would
follow him through the, through

690
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:58,280
the, the streets and they would
follow him right into the water

691
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:02,080
and they drown.
Well, there's there's actual

692
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:08,800
historical evidence and records
of something similar like that

693
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,240
happening at one point, which I
did cover in in my Slender Man

694
00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:21,600
episode that I did now that
right there Jeff is a tall

695
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:26,720
slender person chasing children.
Then you have Smiling Sam, which

696
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:33,680
is a Native American lore also a
tall slender person that targets

697
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,560
children.
Slender man, tall, slender

698
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,120
person that targets children.
This is these are just three

699
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:47,680
examples of a a very common
trope throughout history, time

700
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:52,720
and location throughout the
entire planet of this being a

701
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:58,360
thing.
Now, what you saw may feel

702
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,480
unique, but it's not right.
It's but I'm not saying it's not

703
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:07,760
something that's not tangible
like they could be something.

704
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,760
That's what that's what I'm
trying to get to is that there's

705
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:18,200
all these phenomenon that happen
and I was I was going to get to

706
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:24,400
whether or not they believe that
something like what you, what

707
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,920
you experienced could be
something tied into what Corey

708
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,800
experienced with Shadow Man or
something that they've received

709
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,200
reports on.
Yeah.

710
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,240
Would that be something you guys
would investigate?

711
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:28,640
Yeah.
Oh my God, paralysis.

712
00:56:19,490 --> 00:56:26,930
So there's a really, really
weird phenomenon that occurs,

713
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,800
and for a while there it was
getting wrongfully mixed in with

714
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,320
another story, the story of
injured Cold, which is a

715
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:41,680
completely different thing.
Injured Cold adopted was a given

716
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:47,440
and therefore adopted the the
nickname the Grinning Man, but

717
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:53,000
it was wrongfully labeled on to
him.

718
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:59,240
But the the the bulk of the the
grinning man stories just

719
00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:02,120
happened to come around roughly
the same time, a little bit

720
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,320
after they injured cold and
Woody Derrenberger stories.

721
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:12,560
But the, the the typical
grinning man story is exactly

722
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,480
what you're talking about,
Corey.

723
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:21,280
Now, a lot of people, a lot of
people when they talk about the

724
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:29,520
grinning man, they they, they
go, they, they tend to, they

725
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,240
tend to just audible right into
injured cold.

726
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,960
And I just, I, I'm putting this
more out for the listeners.

727
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,280
You know, we've, we've talked
about injured cold amnesium on

728
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,440
this podcast and we've already
kind of explained this before,

729
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,280
but Andrew Cole is not the
grading man grading man is not

730
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:50,760
injured cold.
They are completely separate

731
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,160
entities.
And I only say that because

732
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:58,560
every time we talk about injured
cold or the graining man,

733
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,480
somebody messages me and says,
hey, you forgot to mention this.

734
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:03,880
No, I did not.
OK, just knock it off.

735
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,960
So I'm talking about the
graining man, not injured, cold.

736
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:09,880
Anybody that wants to message
me, you're wrong.

737
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,400
But the graining man, the
phenomenon of the graining man

738
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,120
is exactly what you just
described.

739
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,960
Now about the, the the only
thing, the only thing new that I

740
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,600
heard from your story compared
to every other instance of the

741
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,360
granny man was the baby thing.
I've never heard that.

742
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,960
But the the sleep paralysis,
waking up for your bed, grinning

743
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:40,440
over over your body, verbal
communications, all of that

744
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,600
very, very granny man.
Very interesting stuff.

745
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,120
Where, where?
Where Were you in the country?

746
00:59:23,950 --> 01:00:13,320
So.
It's got fucked up.

747
01:01:11,690 --> 01:01:14,490
That's pretty interesting.
I mean, I've always kind of like

748
01:01:14,810 --> 01:01:19,330
theorized that people with
autism are just on any, any of

749
01:01:19,330 --> 01:01:22,240
these spectrum.
I don't even want to call them

750
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:23,720
disorders because I don't
necessarily think they are

751
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:25,360
disorders.
I think that they're more like

752
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,200
you're, you're tuning into
different frequencies, right?

753
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,800
You might be, you know, you
might have been more in tune

754
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,080
with whatever frequencies that
are, you know, that thing's

755
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,200
broadcasting on, right, or
whatever, wherever.

756
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,000
Like you said something earlier
about maybe the energy was like

757
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,600
imprinted right in this loop,
this time loop of some kind,

758
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,040
right?
It's like, you know, and I talk

759
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,320
a lot about like holographic
universe things and and that

760
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,600
makes perfect sense.
There were like the energies of

761
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,880
and can imprint into the
information field, right?

762
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,080
And then somebody that's on the
spectrum might be able to tune

763
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,960
into that information field in a
different way that you are and

764
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,000
actually see or interact with
these things better.

765
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:22,560
That's pretty interesting.
Love it, love it.

766
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,720
Arthur, let's bring you back in.
Let's go.

767
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,560
Let's go back to Ed and Lorraine
Warren.

768
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:40,480
So the I, I need the opinion
piece because this is probably

769
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:44,000
one of the most hotly debated
topics and I'm sure you've been

770
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,760
asked this a million times.
So I'm going to make it

771
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,120
1,000,001.
What are your thoughts on Ed and

772
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,680
Lorraine Warren?
Are they real or are they?

773
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:59,640
Not, I need to preface that with
Lorraine has helped me a lot.

774
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,920
She's mentored me.
So keeping that in mind,

775
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:09,240
everything I've seen of Lorraine
talking to her and stuff like

776
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:16,480
that, she's the real deal.
Yeah, I know she's got, there's

777
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,720
skeptics out there.
I know there's, I haven't even

778
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:20,040
watched it.
There's something new going

779
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,480
around the Internet now where
somebody's trying to, you know,

780
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,880
tear their legacy down now.
I mean, they've been doing that

781
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,720
for years.
Yeah, it's, it's, it's really

782
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,280
gotten ramped up to the point
where they actually somebody's

783
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:38,320
trying to get legal action
against them to stop their

784
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,440
museum from whatever.
Really.

785
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,760
Yeah.
So I think they're the real

786
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:48,880
deal.
I honestly only meant what Ed

787
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:53,160
wants for a very short period,
so I don't know him that well.

788
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,360
Lorraine I've met twice but
talked her on the phone many

789
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,720
times.
Very sweet lady.

790
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:05,360
I think she's very genuine for
the religious people out there.

791
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,920
She she is very religious.
They both are.

792
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,280
So I I think she's the real
deal.

793
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:16,240
But again, with the movies
coming out and you know, you're

794
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:21,600
always going to get your
skeptics, that's their opinions.

795
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,760
I mean, again, I don't try to
make people believe stuff

796
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,400
they're not going to believe.
But as far as I'm concerned,

797
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,480
she's she's the real deal.
That's a that's a good point.

798
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:37,680
The movies I, I try to catch
myself when I can on, on the

799
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:43,800
show and, you know, try to keep
the, the audience up because try

800
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,440
to remember that not everybody
listening to this is going to

801
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,400
know who Ed and Lorraine Warren
are.

802
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,800
And, and please fill in the gaps
for me here.

803
01:04:54,800 --> 01:05:02,760
But my best recollection of who
Ed and Lorraine Warren are, they

804
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:07,560
are probably 1 of if not the
most famous paranormal

805
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:11,000
investigators of modern times at
least.

806
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:20,560
And there has been many high
budget Hollywood movies made

807
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,600
after some of their famous
cases, including The Amityville

808
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:32,760
Horror, Annabelle, The
Conjuring, the I've drawn a

809
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,720
blank on a couple others, but I
know that that I believe they

810
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:39,520
even did investigations into the
Enfield horror over in England,

811
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:40,640
right?
Yeah.

812
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:48,200
That there's there's a lot.
I mean, they how do you have any

813
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:51,480
idea how many movies are made
out of out of some out of their

814
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:52,920
investigations?
It's got to be.

815
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,640
Actually, I've lost track
because it's.

816
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,360
Kind of double digits, right?
It is, but I think once you got

817
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:05,280
past The Conjuring House movies,
I think the producers just saw

818
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:09,960
dollar signs and just excuse My
friends would start making crap

819
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,640
up.
Oh, no, absolutely 100 percent,

820
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:20,920
100%, yes, yeah.
I, I, I think that, that there's

821
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:24,600
definitely a, a grain of salt to
take with the, the Hollywood

822
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,040
movies.
And I, I think that's something

823
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:33,200
that a lot of people take into
consideration when they're, I

824
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,720
hate to say it, but when they're
judging right.

825
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:37,800
And Lorraine Warren?
Yeah, I don't.

826
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,920
And you're right.
They they are the most famous.

827
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,920
I think the only reason why,
well, I shouldn't say the only

828
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:51,080
reason because, but with the
advent of, you know, better

829
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:54,760
telecommunications and
everything with the advent of

830
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:58,320
the Internet, because way before
that there was, but you know

831
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,360
what Hans Holzer is.
Nope.

832
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:06,760
He's like the original ghost
hunter and he actually had AI

833
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:10,280
call it a spiritualist that he
used to connect with the other

834
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,840
side and a lot of interesting
stories.

835
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:16,040
I mean, any of your listeners
want to pick his books up?

836
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,560
They're usually you're only
going to find them like in Half

837
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:21,320
Price Books.
You use bookstores now because

838
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:25,640
they're so old, but he's got
some interesting stories.

839
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:27,920
He's got some interesting cases.
He did.

840
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,000
Yeah, the TV show The Holzer
Files.

841
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:34,920
Oh, that's right.
Who did that?

842
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:36,080
I'm trying to think who did
that?

843
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:40,880
What's the name out of it?
I've been reading Hans, I've

844
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,920
been reading Hans Holzer's book
since I got into this.

845
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,960
And it's not so much for the,
you know, they are entertaining.

846
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,600
But when I first started this,
you got to remember they didn't

847
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:56,280
have all this equipment.
We were using the big VHS

848
01:07:56,280 --> 01:08:00,080
cameras that you put on your
shoulder and, you know, dusting

849
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,520
the floor with flour and mopping
it up the next day, you know,

850
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,720
the big old cassette recorders,
you know, stuff like that.

851
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:10,480
So any, any help we could get?
I mean I read his books, just

852
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,800
trying to get some ideas on how
to do things.

853
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,400
What's the best Hans Holzer
book?

854
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,359
You're going to hate me for this
because there's no way most

855
01:08:22,359 --> 01:08:24,200
people can pick it up because
it's big.

856
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,600
It's his coffee table book and I
can't think of the name of it,

857
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:30,120
but The thing is huge.
Actually.

858
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:31,399
Hold on a second.
I'll be right back.

859
01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:33,399
I can actually show it to you.
Sweet.

860
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,000
I still got it.
I'm going to find it on eBay.

861
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,120
Yeah, Dave Schrader, he's going
to.

862
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:44,800
Post Jeremy can't do 1 episode
without buying a book.

863
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:50,279
I can't I I think.
I.

864
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:03,000
What's that?
Oh, oh, Oh yeah.

865
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:08,080
Like the the movie I wasn't
called.

866
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:13,319
I know, but you know, right, The
the one where they start doing

867
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:25,960
Evps, man.
Oh, yeah, yeah, could be.

868
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:32,760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Evps can be interesting too.

869
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:38,560
There's some.
I sent you one.

870
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:40,240
A lot of books especially, I
don't.

871
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,080
Know if you can read that or
not?

872
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:46,840
Hold on.
Oh yeah, I've seen it.

873
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:50,120
It's right here.
It's Hardcover.

874
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:53,680
Where is it?
It just seemed it.

875
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:59,400
It's called Ghost.
It says haunted places, Haunted

876
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,720
houses, Haunted people.
By Hans Holzer.

877
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:08,120
Only comes in hardcover, huh?
Well, that's the way mine is,

878
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:09,520
but look how thick this thing
is.

879
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,000
I want to ask a question that I
think Jake would ask if he was

880
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:15,840
here.
This is for you, Jake.

881
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:17,120
Is it?
Is this the the?

882
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:21,680
One, yes, this is the famous
question that we always bring up

883
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,400
when we talk about these types
of things.

884
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,160
And maybe maybe we just don't
know about them.

885
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:29,760
But how come it doesn't seem
like there's any cases of like,

886
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:33,320
the hipster who died because his
vape exploded or like the guy

887
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:35,240
who was just like, walking
across the street?

888
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:40,560
Like, it seems like a lot of
these things happen either in

889
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:42,960
like spooky places or spooky
situations.

890
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:48,160
It's never just like Frank.
Frank just bit the dust, you

891
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:53,480
know?
Believe it or not, they might

892
01:10:53,480 --> 01:10:57,320
still be around.
And here's physics answer to

893
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:01,800
that.
A lot of people, in fact, some

894
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,880
physicist I know, says that's
what they think, but they won't

895
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:06,240
say that in public.
They don't want to ruin their

896
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:09,840
reputation.
Energy never goes away.

897
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,600
It just transforms different
forms of energy.

898
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,840
So when the body dies, that
energy goes somewhere.

899
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,640
Yeah.
You know, And if you believe a

900
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:26,600
lot of people, the very, very,
very hardcore Christians believe

901
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:28,000
there's nobody in heaven right
now.

902
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:32,480
Heaven will get filled up.
When the rapture happens, that's

903
01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:34,440
when God will draw everybody to
heaven.

904
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,160
So basically you think about
everyone's just wandering

905
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:39,440
around.
Some people want to communicate,

906
01:11:39,440 --> 01:11:42,520
some people don't.
I wonder what you say about that

907
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:45,840
creepy areas or however you said
it.

908
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:49,600
That goes a little deeper into
another rabbit hole.

909
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:53,800
American Indians.
We believe I'm quarter American

910
01:11:53,800 --> 01:12:01,360
Indian and we believe the Earth
is energy and it's been beat up

911
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:04,200
and abused for so long.
There's there's curses, Indian

912
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:08,520
curses and the barrel mounts
have been disturbed which can

913
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:11,920
cause problems.
Even digging a basement is

914
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:18,240
considered a wound to the earth.
So that's where you get some of

915
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:19,680
your some of your spooky plays
from.

916
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:24,040
Others are just natural magnets.
Do you know what Ley lines are?

917
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:28,480
Oh yeah, I get into like Geo
geomancy and Ley lines and all

918
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:30,280
that kind of stuff.
Yeah, yeah.

919
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:35,160
And Ley lines we'll draw is like
a paranormal highway, just like

920
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:38,160
rivers are and stuff like that.
Right, for sure where it'll.

921
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,920
Just take that.
And I'm not saying that they're

922
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,640
going to bring Ghost about like
in Ghostbusters.

923
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,960
I'm just saying that energy that
transformed from a human's body

924
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:50,800
has easier ways for it to get
around.

925
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,400
Kind of like fiber optics for us
communicating.

926
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:54,920
Sure.
Yeah, No, that makes sense.

927
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:56,680
The tracks I'm with that.
Explanation.

928
01:12:56,680 --> 01:13:03,480
Sorry.
No.

929
01:13:03,480 --> 01:13:05,880
What?
OK, All right.

930
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:06,880
Didn't you say we're trying
that?

931
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,640
I think I read about two, like
when somebody dies, I mean,

932
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:11,920
they've they've weighed the
bodies before they died and

933
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:16,240
after they died and it's like 10
lbs lighter or.

934
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:18,080
Yeah.
That was an old, that was an old

935
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,200
experiment.
God, I can't remember who did

936
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:21,520
that.
But it's only true.

937
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,760
I can't remember.
It was true.

938
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,560
I mean, it's very miniscule, but
yeah, it was true.

939
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,760
Yeah, but I've heard arguments
about that.

940
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:36,600
Like, you know when you when
your bodily function cease, you

941
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,440
know, like the release of
methane and like, you know, you

942
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:43,720
shit yourself, you know, like.
Actually I don't think that's

943
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,280
true.
I was AI, was a EMT for 20

944
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:52,360
years, saw a lot of death.
I've never seen anyone defecate.

945
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,440
Or fart.
If they've been dead a long

946
01:13:55,440 --> 01:13:59,840
time, possibly, but usually it's
exhaling gas out of their lungs.

947
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:05,320
Sure, I mean that'll that'll
freak you out when you're moving

948
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:06,480
a dead body.
Nelson here.

949
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:11,600
That'll make you crap your
pants.

950
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:17,320
We we had just talked about
this.

951
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,480
Was it the the last episode we
did.

952
01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:24,240
I think Jeff were I had, because
we were talking about, we've

953
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:27,920
been, we've been talking more
about quantum mechanics lately

954
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:33,520
and how physics really breaks
down at the quantum levels and

955
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,400
stuff.
And, and I was breaking down

956
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:43,240
the, the energies and, and how
you know, every, everything's

957
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:47,520
either an energy or a mass and
how you can, you could change

958
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:51,240
forms.
One's usually a lot quicker than

959
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:53,520
the other, right?
Changing from a mass to an

960
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:56,560
energy is very fast, but
changing from energy to a mass

961
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:00,680
is very slow.
So when you when you burn a log,

962
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:06,720
right, you burn burn trees or or
piece of wood, the energy that's

963
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:09,560
created off of it the the log
just doesn't disappear.

964
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:13,320
It gets created.
It turns into soot, which is

965
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:17,480
also just a form of matter, but
also gives off energy in the

966
01:15:17,480 --> 01:15:21,680
form of heat and other things
that we can't perceive.

967
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:25,480
That doesn't disappear.
It exists.

968
01:15:25,480 --> 01:15:28,120
It lives there, you know, it
doesn't ever go away.

969
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:29,960
Matter cannot be created nor
destroyed.

970
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,200
Neither can energy.
Energy cannot be created nor

971
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,160
destroyed.
But there is that second part of

972
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:40,920
those, those sayings that people
tend to always forget, cannot be

973
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:44,720
created nor destroyed, but can
change form, right?

974
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:50,480
So we are physical beings,
right?

975
01:15:50,480 --> 01:15:53,280
We can, we can touch ourselves,
right?

976
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,320
But can we touch our
consciousness?

977
01:15:55,440 --> 01:16:00,080
Can we touch our soul?
You know, we've gone through

978
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:06,520
many hypothetical experiments on
the show where, you know, we

979
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:11,160
talk about the concept of, of
exchanging consciousness between

980
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,800
two subjects.
And we're not going to dive into

981
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,280
that right now.
But just, you know, just know

982
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:18,200
that we have talked about that
before.

983
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,480
And the CIA, by the way, you
have the documents to show it.

984
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:29,320
That's true.
What was that this the the

985
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:35,240
gateway process and others, Jeff
and others.

986
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:47,200
But anyways, so I, I had brought
up the idea to, to the guys last

987
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,600
time we were recorded.
I said, what do you guys think

988
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:54,240
about, you know, when, when we
die, what do you guys think

989
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:59,680
about, you know, our, our
consciousness just escapes us

990
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:03,480
and it just goes, I mean,
because it's not a physical

991
01:17:03,480 --> 01:17:07,720
thing, you know, it's, it's not
like you can just hold it in

992
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:10,400
your hand.
You can't hold it right?

993
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:14,640
Because technically, I mean, if
you, if you grab a, a, a slice

994
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:19,760
of brain matter and the, the
meat off of the, the palm of

995
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:25,240
your hand, the DNA, the, the,
the building blocks or whatever

996
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:31,880
the is, is technically the same.
Yes, brain meat is, is referred

997
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:37,480
to as Gray matter and the, the
meat in your palm is referred as

998
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:42,080
muscle.
But when it comes down to

999
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:47,520
biologics and the building
blocks and and the proteins

1000
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,320
used, they're very, very
similar, if not exactly the

1001
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:55,240
same.
So we know that we can't go to

1002
01:17:55,240 --> 01:18:00,400
the grocery store and buy a
steak that's wrapped up in

1003
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:03,720
plastic and give it
consciousness can't do that.

1004
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,760
But your brain can't.
Your brain does do that.

1005
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:11,160
So that lends to believe that
there's something special about

1006
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,200
the material that the brain is
made out of.

1007
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:19,920
It is less dense and it does
have the neural pathways, a

1008
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:25,200
neural superhighway.
And it, you know, we even got

1009
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:31,440
into what is the most dense
animal brains on the planet when

1010
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:37,040
it comes to neurons per square
inch or whatever, right?

1011
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:38,920
We were talking about all that
and stuff too.

1012
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:48,440
What if the material, the actual
material of the brain itself is

1013
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:57,680
created to be a form of box
where a soul cannot escape and

1014
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:05,120
the neurons, the electrical, the
electrical surges and, and

1015
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:10,880
pathways that are constantly
firing off in your brains is

1016
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:14,240
used as a sort.
I, I think Jake called it a

1017
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:18,680
Faraday cage incorrectly, but I
knew what he was talking about.

1018
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:25,280
It's, it's kind of creating a,
like a, like a, like an electric

1019
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:29,720
fence, if you will, for a soul.
And then you get into the you

1020
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:33,680
get into the phenomenon of near
death experiences, right?

1021
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:41,840
People die for small periods of
time and they report being able

1022
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:47,440
to see the scene of their death.
Being able to give descriptions

1023
01:19:47,480 --> 01:19:54,040
of minute details such as the
color wristwatch of the guy who

1024
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:58,720
was trying to give life saving
CPR to them while they were

1025
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:03,880
pulled out of their car after
being T boned by a car that was

1026
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:09,840
going 70 miles an hour.
I mean, some of the the details

1027
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:13,600
that people are able to give
during their Ndes are

1028
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:22,520
incredible, but we only have
those when the when we have

1029
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:27,680
what's called a clinical death,
when the neurons fail and we no

1030
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:32,280
longer are are sending
electrical signals through our

1031
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:34,560
brains.
I don't know.

1032
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:38,040
A clinical death is not when
your heart stops, it's when your

1033
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:41,120
brain stops, when your brain
stops sending those signals.

1034
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:49,880
So you know, people are
reporting this, then your body

1035
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:53,920
comes back online.
The, the electricity, the

1036
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:57,280
electricity in your brain
somehow, I don't know if it's

1037
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,680
somehow there's some sort of
imprint in it where it

1038
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,480
automatically recalls your soul
back into it.

1039
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:11,080
But you know, there, there's
been tons of, I wouldn't

1040
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:17,160
necessarily say historical
evidence or records because

1041
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:20,200
we're kind of getting into
hypotheticals when it comes to

1042
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:27,880
word of mouth stories and stuff.
But you're talking about back

1043
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:32,760
before written records of people
reanimating bodies, you know,

1044
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:37,120
having the ability to that that
have been dead for a few days,

1045
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:41,440
nothing more than a few days,
but coming back and having the

1046
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:43,960
same consciousness as they did
when they died.

1047
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:48,320
Now you're talking about a brain
that has been without oxygen for

1048
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:51,800
multiple days.
And that doesn't seem medically

1049
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:54,400
possible from a modern
standpoint.

1050
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:59,200
But let's say it was able to
happen and that person came back

1051
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:05,920
and had the same consciousness
and was able to give you a story

1052
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:11,800
similar to those that that that
talk about Ndes.

1053
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:13,920
How strong of a case does that
have?

1054
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,400
I mean, it's some some actually
very fascinating stuff.

1055
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:21,960
I don't know.
I just.

1056
01:22:38,920 --> 01:23:19,890
Yeah.
Yeah, no, it's, it's definitely

1057
01:23:19,890 --> 01:23:22,530
interesting.
I'm, I'm very curious as to see

1058
01:23:22,530 --> 01:23:24,850
what people are seeing.
I mean, I've seen some pretty

1059
01:23:24,850 --> 01:23:27,930
weird shit in my life, right.
There's the whole reason why I'm

1060
01:23:27,930 --> 01:23:31,490
into all this stuff because,
yeah, I've been told throughout

1061
01:23:31,490 --> 01:23:33,610
my young life that I didn't see
what I saw.

1062
01:23:33,650 --> 01:23:38,610
And, you know, go, go grab a
football kid, go do normal kid

1063
01:23:38,610 --> 01:23:42,200
stuff.
And, you know, I, you know, I

1064
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:44,640
see all these people that, that
say that they've had these

1065
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:47,640
experiences and everything.
And I know my story's true.

1066
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:51,920
I know what I saw.
So there has to be some other

1067
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:55,880
truth out there.
I've never seen a spirit or a

1068
01:23:55,880 --> 01:24:00,800
ghost, but enough people have
come forward saying that they

1069
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:03,960
have that there's got to be some
sort of weird phenomena going on

1070
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:07,400
that that requires some sort of
looking into.

1071
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:10,520
I'm happy you guys are doing it.
So that's cool.

1072
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:13,440
Thanks.
Thanks.

1073
01:24:41,100 --> 01:25:21,800
Yeah.
Takes forever.

1074
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:33,080
Eating peanut butter cups.
Shit, there's peanut butter

1075
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:35,360
cups.
Always, always.

1076
01:25:37,480 --> 01:25:39,800
I don't like come haunchy guys
for peanut butter capsule.

1077
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:46,360
I mean, you know, some.
As I mentioned this, because I

1078
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:50,160
actually think, I think who's
the other guy's name, Jake,

1079
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:53,080
that's not here.
Yeah, he might be upset that he

1080
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:54,360
missed, but I'm sure he'll watch
it.

1081
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:58,880
Ron knows the story.
They said sometimes they get

1082
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:01,040
sent by the church, other
groups, whatever.

1083
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:05,480
And we got sent by the church to
this house.

1084
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:10,960
It was in Milwaukee County.
That's I won't give names and

1085
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:13,240
details, but this, this lady was
a nurse.

1086
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:17,640
She had back surgery and she was
out of work.

1087
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:23,240
So her and her 21 year old son
moved back in with her mom and

1088
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:26,160
she had called the church
because she thought her son got

1089
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:29,360
a possession.
So they sent us out.

1090
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:32,520
What we do is like, what's wrong
with saying we, we taught, we

1091
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:34,440
separate them and then we talked
and we have questions.

1092
01:26:34,440 --> 01:26:36,560
We ask, we ask the same
questions to everybody

1093
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:40,520
separated.
And then we mix the answers

1094
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:42,960
again somewhere in the middle,
find the find the truth, you

1095
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:46,280
know?
So we interview both of them and

1096
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:51,520
the guy who's with me, he's
doing baselines on the House and

1097
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:53,400
he's just about finished.
And all of a sudden the mom

1098
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,000
comes home.
She wasn't home, sweet little

1099
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:57,960
old lady.
She's about four foot 8.

1100
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:01,640
She's got powerful groceries.
So we, you know, we're nice.

1101
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:03,440
We'll we can help you with the
groceries.

1102
01:27:03,440 --> 01:27:05,000
She's thanking us and
everything.

1103
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:09,320
And I got the ideas and I go,
OK, can I ask you some questions

1104
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:11,120
since here she goes.
Oh, sure will.

1105
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:13,800
She's real nice.
She sits down across from me

1106
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:16,960
from her dining room table.
I go through all the questions

1107
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:19,000
whether she's answering them.
Sounds like a sweet little old

1108
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,640
lady.
So I'm right now the last couple

1109
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:23,640
notes and she goes, well, what
happens now?

1110
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:27,000
I'm like, well, we'll go through
the answers and we'll determine

1111
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:31,680
what we can do to help out here.
I did not hear her move.

1112
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:35,840
I did not see her move.
I look up and she is nose to

1113
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:40,040
nose with me, hands and knees on
the table and a deep voice

1114
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:41,720
going, what makes you think you
can help?

1115
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:45,240
What's going on here?
You've never seen me move so

1116
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:49,120
fast in my life.
Jeez.

1117
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:57,600
And and unfortunately it was, we
believe it was the mom who was

1118
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:00,240
possessed because I made a
report.

1119
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:03,280
They gave it to the church,
didn't hear anything back.

1120
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:05,200
So I called them and go hey,
whatever happened with so and

1121
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:09,080
so's they can't get a hold of
the daughter and the son.

1122
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:10,200
They found out from someone
else.

1123
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:14,040
They did move out that same day.
Within a week the house burnt

1124
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:17,000
down with grandma in it.
Oh wow.

1125
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:22,040
Wow, she didn't crawl on the
ceiling.

1126
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:24,040
So what kind of movie?
Legion, huh?

1127
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:27,560
She didn't crawl on the ceiling
like the movie Legion.

1128
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:32,760
No, she didn't crawl like I said
it's I wasn't prepared for it

1129
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:35,960
because I've never and honestly
I did not hear her get on the

1130
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:39,680
table or didn't even hear her
move and all of a sudden she's

1131
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:42,080
just noticed and old of me she's
kneeling on the table well.

1132
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:46,800
I remember the time when I was
discussing that case.

1133
01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:50,880
I remember we were discussing
the case together as her first

1134
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,720
time meeting you and we're going
over this case.

1135
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:56,280
You're at work and your candy
jar will goes flying flying

1136
01:28:56,280 --> 01:29:00,520
across the room.
That wasn't mine.

1137
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:01,920
That was the guy I shared their
office with.

1138
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:04,000
He was a little mad.
Oh, oops.

1139
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:09,720
Yeah, we're discussing A
paranoia demonic case and I

1140
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:12,600
share an office with a guy.
We worked in the warehouse

1141
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:17,080
offices and he sat behind me.
He wasn't there because I worked

1142
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:18,160
the night shift.
He works today.

1143
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:20,920
Yeah, I'm talking to Ron.
And also, this candy jar just

1144
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:23,600
flies past my hand and smashes
on the wall.

1145
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:27,560
That's another good indication
that it's something that might

1146
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:30,640
be demonic.
You know, on the flip side of

1147
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:36,120
this, on the flip side is that
we, we helped, we helped a lot

1148
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:39,600
of people reconnect with, with
ones that have passed on in

1149
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:43,240
positive ways.
We actually received a donation

1150
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:46,360
from a family and bought some
gear with it.

1151
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:50,200
Actually, probably about eight
years ago.

1152
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:53,560
She wanted to connect with her
father because she, she didn't

1153
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,720
communicate with her father
much, So she wanted to reconnect

1154
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:59,440
with her father.
And we reminded them, you know,

1155
01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:03,480
it's, it's, we believe it works
what we do, but we're going to

1156
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:06,520
leave it up to you.
I'll let you decide whether, if,

1157
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:10,120
if the voices are coming through
our, our, you know, our spirit

1158
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:12,320
box or what not.
If it's really him, you know.

1159
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:15,800
And she said it is and, and the
questions were asked and that

1160
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:19,480
she and he answered them and,
and she's very grateful.

1161
01:30:19,480 --> 01:30:21,160
And we told her I was like, you
don't have to owe us anything.

1162
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:23,320
We don't, we don't charge, you
know, that's, that's not a

1163
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:25,680
thing.
But she insisted And, and it

1164
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:27,720
was, you know, we just put it
right back into the group.

1165
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:31,840
So we've been numericate.
Numerous cases have happened.

1166
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:33,800
I mean, I've had relatives come
through before.

1167
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:38,320
You just never know what's going
to happen in some of these, you

1168
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:44,240
know?
Like, like Corey was saying to

1169
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:47,280
the nice, even if we just
debunked something, at least

1170
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,440
you're making them comfortable
in their house again.

1171
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:53,400
Yeah, simple.
I think Ron knows about this one

1172
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:56,120
because actually, in the city I
grew up with, this older couple

1173
01:30:56,120 --> 01:30:57,800
called us.
They just bought a house.

1174
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:00,920
The house was completely
remodeled by the former owners.

1175
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:05,040
And the only thing they had is
they swear they had a ghost

1176
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:07,520
because they said it follows
them down the hallway when they

1177
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:10,640
go to bed.
I'm like, OK, how do you why do

1178
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:13,360
you think it follows you down
the hallway there?

1179
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:15,320
Because right, if you went down
the hall, we can hear steps

1180
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:18,920
coming down the hallway.
All right, so we didn't even

1181
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:20,680
have to do an investigation on
that one.

1182
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:25,080
We're we're doing our baselines
me and I think it was Jared.

1183
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:27,200
I know Ron Metzger Mets Jared
before.

1184
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,200
And we walked down the hallway
and sure enough, it sounds like

1185
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:34,160
footsteps coming on the hallway.
So it was it was the lights

1186
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:36,360
around, but I just took a
flashlight and turned it on.

1187
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:39,200
There's a hall closet with
sliding doors.

1188
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:42,280
And when they remodeled it, they
never put the guide back at the

1189
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:45,040
bottom.
So when you walk past it, the

1190
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:47,640
inside door just bends, flexes a
little bit.

1191
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:49,120
Yeah.
And then they hit each other

1192
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:52,080
sounding like steps.
So, you know, we told her that.

1193
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:53,640
And she goes, Are you sure?
And I'm like, I'll tell you

1194
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:54,600
what.
I go.

1195
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:56,120
Do you know where that slide is?
She was.

1196
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:58,200
Well, I think, you know, she
found it was in a drawer.

1197
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:01,840
I actually put it in for her.
Oh, give me a call in a week.

1198
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:04,480
Let me know if you're still in.
She called.

1199
01:32:04,480 --> 01:32:05,720
She.
She's a positive zone.

1200
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:08,080
We feel so stupid.
I'm like, hey, are you more

1201
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:11,080
comfortable in your house now?
So yeah, I go then we did our

1202
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:12,000
job.
That's what's.

1203
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:13,800
Important.
You know.

1204
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:17,760
Yeah, that was good stuff.
Good.

1205
01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:20,160
I like that.
That's a good story.

1206
01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:22,560
That's a really good one.
I like that A.

1207
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:25,480
Lot and there's a lot of them
and I don't know if Corey

1208
01:32:25,480 --> 01:32:28,120
mentioned the raccoons because I
don't know if you knew my story,

1209
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:33,040
Corey, about the raccoons.
I think Rondo is this.

1210
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:36,960
There's a real rich neighborhood
in Waucher County.

1211
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:42,000
Family just built the house and
they've only been in like 2

1212
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:44,440
months and they called us
because they hear scratching on

1213
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:47,960
their bedroom wall.
So we go over there, we

1214
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:51,360
interviewed the couple, very,
very expense rich couple.

1215
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:56,120
So we're going to do baselines
and we're hearing the scratch.

1216
01:32:56,120 --> 01:33:00,040
I'm like go to Louise.
I'm like, hey, listen to this.

1217
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:02,080
And it does sound like
scratching on the wall.

1218
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:04,600
So we got on the hallway and
we're looking around.

1219
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:08,720
There's like this little half
door and I asked the house and I

1220
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:10,440
go, what's the storm for?
He goes, well, I think it's just

1221
01:33:10,440 --> 01:33:14,400
storage behind the bedroom.
Back then I was a lot quicker.

1222
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:17,320
Thank God.
I opened the door and there's a

1223
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:20,000
family of raccoons in there that
just came charging at me.

1224
01:33:20,480 --> 01:33:24,080
I slammed the order shut and I
go, you got raccoons.

1225
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:27,640
I go call, call a animal expert.
They go, well can't you take

1226
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:29,160
care of them?
I go, I'll take care of the

1227
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:30,640
dead.
I don't deal with animals.

1228
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:35,760
And within two months then when
we and the family raccoons got

1229
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:38,880
up there and we're just nesting
away, that's awesome.

1230
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:42,560
And they were so mad at us
because we wouldn't get rid of

1231
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:45,960
their raccoons and.
Nope, sorry, not not much to do

1232
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:47,120
about that.
Like Nah.

1233
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:49,880
Exactly.
Not messing with that, I'll

1234
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:50,520
throw.
Some holy.

1235
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:52,080
I'll throw some holy water on
them, but.

1236
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:53,040
I don't think that's going to
work.

1237
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:55,800
Probably drink it.
They're just.

1238
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:01,680
Going to They're just probably
all right.

1239
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:05,880
We're going to go ahead and wrap
her up.

1240
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:10,640
Jeff is falling asleep.
It is way past his bedtime.

1241
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:12,080
He is so tuckered out.
Look at him.

1242
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:20,000
So go ahead and we might have
to.

1243
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:24,120
I have a feeling Jake's going to
want to do Part 2.

1244
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:30,360
Go ahead and share all your
socials, your projects,

1245
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:33,260
everything and anything where we
can get one of them sweet

1246
01:34:33,260 --> 01:34:38,400
T-shirts from.
Let us know it all, Arthur.

1247
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:41,200
I bought the book.
Awesome.

1248
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:45,080
You you won't need to lift
weights anymore when you're

1249
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:48,040
eating that thing.
It's a big, It's big.

1250
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:52,440
I've I've I've got some over
here that I'll give it a run for

1251
01:34:52,440 --> 01:34:56,360
it's money.
And do us a favor when you talk

1252
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:59,640
to Jay, tell him, send him, send
his our condolences to him.

1253
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:02,400
Yeah, absolutely.
Sorry, he's going through that

1254
01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:04,080
right now.
Yeah, absolutely.

1255
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:08,520
He'll, he'll listen, he'll hear
it and then we'll I'll pass it

1256
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:10,440
on to him as well.
Thank you.

1257
01:35:10,440 --> 01:35:13,800
I appreciate that.
For sure, go ahead and share

1258
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:17,240
websites.
Share social media, share

1259
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:20,840
upcoming events, share whatever
you guys want to share right

1260
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:24,200
now, individually as together,
anything.

1261
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:28,520
Go for it.
It is your mic for as long as

1262
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:29,480
you want it.
Go for it.

1263
01:35:30,440 --> 01:35:32,160
All right, you can check us out
on Facebook.

1264
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:34,440
We're seeing, we're seeing
paranormal investigators.

1265
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:37,400
Feel free to search that.
Also, Wisconsin Paranormal

1266
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:40,040
Radio, we'll be back jumping on
there very soon.

1267
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:45,560
And then our website is
www.racineparanormalinvestigators.com.

1268
01:35:46,480 --> 01:35:48,400
We don't have a merch store yet.
We're working on that.

1269
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:50,360
That's coming up.
And then in the fall we'll be

1270
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:52,200
having Bell City Paracon once
again.

1271
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:57,880
We'll be working with a couple
of teams, US paranormal

1272
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:02,600
researchers and the Realm
paranormal team and podcasts.

1273
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:05,040
So we'll be working with them.
We like to network with other

1274
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:07,840
groups.
We have that going on.

1275
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:12,200
Of course, you know, we go live
time to time, so we always have

1276
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:17,480
something kind of going on.
But we also do a lot of

1277
01:36:17,480 --> 01:36:20,760
investigations at Shaker's Cigar
Bar in Milwaukee and that can be

1278
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:23,600
a whole another show that we can
talk about.

1279
01:36:24,480 --> 01:36:26,560
That's a very, very interesting
place.

1280
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:33,320
Some Milwaukee off 2nd St. she
wants a brothel house and also a

1281
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:37,560
hideout for paranoid for the Al
Capone family they once owned it

1282
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:41,200
so we can talk about that
anytime we're there all the time

1283
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:45,640
we'll make announcements about
you know hosting something or or

1284
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:48,800
being there to investigate so
but.

1285
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:58,320
We actually just had a guest on
about a month ago who

1286
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:01,640
interviewed the owner.
Oh, Bob Weiss.

1287
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:06,560
No, yeah, she, she interviewed
Bob.

1288
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:15,040
She, she's the host of Backwoods
Paranormal, Backwoods or Dark

1289
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:19,000
Woods Paranormal Dark, Dark
Woods Paranormal Raven Knight.

1290
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:25,080
She she we were talking about
and we, we saw pictures of her

1291
01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:26,800
doing her interview with him.
That was pretty cool.

1292
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:30,640
Yeah, absolutely.
We'll we can have you back out

1293
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:33,160
for that, yeah.
And and you can't.

1294
01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:35,840
Yeah, get Bob on cue sometime.
Bob is amazing.

1295
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:40,440
Yeah, I could reach out to Bob
for sure.

1296
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:44,200
Yeah, Corey and Arthur.
You guys got anything?

1297
01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:50,240
This is going to sound bad.
I do have an e-mail set up for

1298
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:55,440
someone who needs to get a hold
of me for the demonology stuff,

1299
01:37:55,440 --> 01:37:58,680
but I can't find it.
So the easiest way to do that is

1300
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:02,880
you can go through Ron.
Ronald's all my contact info.

1301
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:08,000
So if you need just a
demonologist, give me a call.

1302
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:16,880
I live in the Sheboygan area, so
Sheboygan, Green Bay, Fond du

1303
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:20,840
Lac, Oshkosh area.
I mean, I'll go anywhere, I'll

1304
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:24,400
help out anywhere, but that's
typically where it's easy for me

1305
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:26,280
to get to.
But yeah, you can get a hold of

1306
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:30,640
Ron and then he can get a hold
of me.

1307
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:32,800
If you need a whole team, you
got Ron.

1308
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:37,800
And Ron knows how to use me.
I know that sounds bad, but.

1309
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:40,840
I don't forget that you don't
remember the e-mail and don't

1310
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:43,280
say it on your.
If you do, you're going to get

1311
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:49,200
some weird messages from.
Oh, believe me, when when we

1312
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:53,280
first set it up we got
unbelievable amounts of crazy

1313
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:55,000
emails.
I don't.

1314
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:57,640
I just got to.
Start too wrong, you know?

1315
01:38:58,480 --> 01:39:02,320
Yep.
All right, Corey, you sure you

1316
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:05,520
get nothing?
All right?

1317
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:10,560
Sounds good.
Smart.

1318
01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:12,960
Yeah.
Man, it's been a pleasure.

1319
01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:15,320
It's been a pleasure.
This was this was a lot of fun.

1320
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:20,320
Jeff, you got anything before we
sign off, bud?

1321
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:27,800
Tomorrow night Shadow Band
podcast, 7:00 eastern on Twitch.

1322
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:37,600
Other than that, that's it.
I have one update to give, so I

1323
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:44,360
am no longer I I changed the
title and the artwork of the new

1324
01:39:44,360 --> 01:39:49,440
show coming out on July 1st.
It is no longer decoding

1325
01:39:49,440 --> 01:39:53,560
reality.
We are now officially tying it

1326
01:39:53,560 --> 01:40:03,760
in to infinite rabbit hole.
It is now going to be Infinite

1327
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:09,960
rabbit hole archives.
It is a solo documentary show

1328
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:16,240
this so solo documentaries are
coming back, but it will be

1329
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:22,600
under a new.
RSS feed under the Infinite

1330
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:26,920
Rabbit Hole archives.
It will be a bi weekly show, so

1331
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:32,160
every two weeks on July 1st you
can expect to see the first 3

1332
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:37,720
episodes dropped as well as the
first two Patreon episodes.

1333
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:43,320
That's right, so get ready,
content is coming.

1334
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:50,320
More information will come fast
now, so be ready everybody.

1335
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:51,480
I love the great.
That is all.

1336
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:55,120
Thank you.
Thank you.

1337
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:57,600
Appreciate it.
Yeah, it's, it's very

1338
01:40:57,600 --> 01:41:01,400
reminiscent, isn't?
It all right.

1339
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:04,000
Yeah, absolutely.
No.

1340
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:10,120
Thank you guys for taking time
and and coming on the show, Ron.

1341
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:12,840
I'm happy that we we got it
worked out man.

1342
01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:14,200
This.
Is cool.

1343
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:15,840
This is a lot of fun.
Do it again.

1344
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:17,680
All right, Wow.
We're done.

1345
01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:22,400
Yeah, whatever.
Just reach out to us and we're

1346
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:24,920
more than happy to talk.
Yeah, absolutely.

1347
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:30,240
Just give us some time.
We we we have repeat, repeat

1348
01:41:30,240 --> 01:41:33,360
guests come on all the time.
We just usually, you know, give

1349
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:36,240
it a few months and and we'll
we'll have you back on.

1350
01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:40,360
But just do me a favour after
the the episode, hang tight for

1351
01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:41,680
a minute.
I just got to make sure that all

1352
01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:44,600
your audio downloads and then
I'll send you loose.

1353
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:46,160
All right.
OK, sounds good.

1354
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:48,320
Sounds good.
All right, Well, that has been

1355
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:51,160
another episode of the Infinite
Rabbit Hole podcast.

1356
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:53,040
Once again, I'm your host,
Jeremy.

1357
01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:57,960
Thank you very much, Travellers.
Next week, we'll see you right

1358
01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:01,520
here in the next Fork and Path
of the Infinite Rabbit Hole.

1359
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:03,960
Bye everybody.
Adios.

1360
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:06,800
You guys got to say bye.
Goodbye.

1361
01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:16,720
There it is.
Hey everybody, thanks for

1362
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:18,880
checking out the Infinite Rabbit
Hole podcast.

1363
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:21,240
If you're looking for more of
our stuff, head on over to

1364
01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:24,480
infiniterabbithole.com where you
can find links to all the

1365
01:42:24,480 --> 01:42:27,880
podcast players that we are
available on and even our video

1366
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:29,960
platforms such as TikTok and
YouTube.

1367
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:32,840
While you're there, make sure to
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1368
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:36,120
socials and hit that follow so
you know when all the new stuff

1369
01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:39,240
from our podcast comes out.
And until next time, travelers,

1370
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:42,920
we'll see you right here in the
next 4 in the path of the

1371
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:43,840
incident rabbit hole.