220. Star People & The Battle of Little Bighorn w/ Lance Dorrel Part 1

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Welcome back to the Impinged
Rabbit Hole.

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I'm your host Jeremy.
Tonight we have a special guest.

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Before we do that, we got to
check in with our Co host Jeff.

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Jeff, what's going on man?
How you doing today?

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I'm lazy bro.
That a boy.

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That's it, huh?
Yeah, just lazy man.

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Yesterday didn't do shit, it was
my birthday, I just played video

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games, all that.
Literally woke up, played video

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games, took a nap, woke up,
played video games, went to bed.

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It was nice.
Today, pretty much the same

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shit.
Did you get the annual Happy

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level up text day from from CJ?
Yeah, everybody hit me up, man.

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Appreciate all you guys for
hitting me up.

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If it wasn't for you guys, I
wouldn't remember.

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It's my birthday so.
I had it.

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Oh, oh, you just you just got
slept on the couch tonight.

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Yeah, I.
See.

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See.
See how trained I am?

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Yeah, yeah, I know.
No, I'm boring, man.

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I'm good.
Everything's good.

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Sweet.
Yeah, I don't have much going on

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my end.
I'll give everybody updates on

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the show at the end.
I don't like to front fill this

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stuff, so we'll we'll backfill
it tonight.

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So we'll jump right into the
interview that we have lined up

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because it's going to be a good
one.

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Everybody this is this is going
to be good stuff.

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This is right up Jeff's alley.
I think this is one of the rare

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occasions where we have a guest
on where Jeff and my interests

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kind of overlap.
So this is this should be a

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really good conversation.
Without further ado.

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I'm not going to not going to
sit here and commit a whole

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bunch of small talk.
We're going to jump right into

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it.
We have an author in the house.

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He is the author of the history
they tell co-authored with

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Donovan Taylor.
We have Lance J Dorrell here

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tonight to talk about star
people and a whole bunch of

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other stuff.
He's really going to run the

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gambit.
He's going to be able to explain

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a hell of a lot more than me.
So let's go ahead and hand it

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off to him.
Lance, how are you today?

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Hey, Jeremy and Jeff, I'm doing
well and thanks for having me.

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I appreciate you guys.
Absolutely, man, absolutely.

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Let's let's dive into the the
meat of everything really quick.

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Can we just get everybody a
quick synopsis of the entire

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spectrum of everything that
we're going to talk about today?

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What what does, what does your
knowledge cover in general?

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And then we'll come back and
talk about the specifics.

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But really quick, let's just,
let's just give everybody an

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idea of the entire range of
everything we're going to talk

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about today because it's it's a
lot.

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And you and I had a phone call
the other night just to kind of

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touch base on a little bit of
it.

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And we went down a ton of rabbit
holes.

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We kind of had to cut that short
because we were just going to

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start recording an episode over
the phone.

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So I'm going to go ahead and
hand it off to you, introduce

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yourself, go through everything
that you have to do at the end

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of the episode.
I'll give you all the time you

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need to hand off all your, your
socials, your book, everything

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that you have going on right
now.

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Just let everybody know who you
are and what you do.

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Sure.
Again, thanks guys.

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So I'm, I'm Lance Dorrel and I'm
an ethnographer and historian

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and a writer.
My whole focus for majority of

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my journey has been studying
Native American and First

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Nations people of the Western
Hemisphere.

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Turtle Island, of course, with
that being said, I, I was very,

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very fortunate to meet and still
meet a lot of Native and First

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Nations elders and people in
Mesoamerica and South America as

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well.
And so we can talk tonight and

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we can cover the gamut from all
the way from one of history's

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greatest mysteries, the Little
Bighorn.

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OK, everybody's kind of
interested in what happened

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there and I can share a little
bit of what is long kept oral

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history that our book focuses on
the history they tell.

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Ending with that, while we were
on this journey that took us up

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to 8 years, myself and Donovan
Taylor, a Northern Cheyenne man

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and a dog soldier, warrior
society member to this day, we

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were very very fortunate to
start catching glimpses of very,

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very ancient history of this
continent that had to do with

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star people, an ancient civil
war, the proverbial Greys, the

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double face, the snakes, lizard
people, the eagle in the Condor

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and the Walla Molem and I can go
on and on and those all go down

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rabbit holes.
But the bottom line is we are in

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this journey.
We had no idea that it was going

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to lead us to this path.
And we, we feel like we're the

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two luckiest guys in the world.
So if I can help anybody

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understand a little bit of this
from what's been shared to me

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and throw it out there so other
people can research and get on

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this journey that that's the
whole premises of this.

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You know, this is I everybody
has a chance at this just like

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we did.
And it can be done because this

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information is starting to come
out and Jeff's alluded to a

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little bit before with modern
disclosure, we can tie some of

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this in that's sitting out there
in plain sight.

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So that's kind of an overview,
Jeremy.

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Very good.
Jeff, you got anything that you

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would like to start off with?
Not really.

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I mean, I don't even know where
to start with all this stuff to

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be honest with you.
It's a lot.

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It's a lot, man.
I mean, I'll just, I'll just

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kind of give my nutshell.
Nutshell.

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Like Nutshell.
Yeah, Nutshell in a nutshell.

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Just my thoughts on the whole
thing.

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I mean, I've said it 1000 times
on the show, I'll say it 1001.

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You know, I do believe that all
of history essentially is a lie.

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I think that at some point in
the history books, they just

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started making shit up, making
people up, making events up.

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And I think that that's that
there's a lot of reasons for

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that.
We can get into it, I'm sure,

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but I'll just say right off the
bat that I will be biased and

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I'm already a believer of such
things.

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So let's go.
That that brings up something

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that you and I should talk about
one time, just to kind of take a

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sidestep.
We should talk about the Phantom

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Time conspiracy.
Phantom time conspiracy.

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Write it down.
I just did.

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Good job.
I'm going to forget what it's

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about, but I will.
But anyways, all right, let's

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start from the very beginning,
OK, where you started off in

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your explanation there?
Let's talk about Little Bighorn.

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Something that I like to do for
listeners is to, I don't like to

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assume that anybody knows
everything.

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Let's start with the absolute
basics.

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What is the Battle of Little
Bighorn and why is that

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important to what we're going to
talk about tonight?

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OK, good start.
So 1876, the United States Army

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had had enough of the roving
bands of native Plains people.

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They wanted them subjugated and
put on the reservations in South

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Dakota for good.
They were exterminating the

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Buffalo herds.
They needed the railroad across

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that area to get to the gold
fields.

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We were in a severe economic
depression and what you had was

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a Civil War hero, George
Armstrong Custer, and the elite

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fighting unit, 7th Calvary of
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They had risen to fame in 1868
when they whacked a Cheyenne in

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Arapahoe Village and down in
modern day Oklahoma Indian

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Country and they were given that
moniker as the elite fighting

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force, the vaunted 7th Calvary.
Eventually the transfer to the

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Northern Plains.
And this comes to a culmination

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where in May of 1876, they're
put into the field coming from

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Fort Lincoln, which is in
Bismarck, South Dakota to head

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east, excuse me, to head W where
traditionally Plains people have

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gathered in the Powder River
country that would encompass

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northern Wyoming and southeast
modern day Montana.

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There are two other armies in
the field, 1 coming up from

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southern Wyoming and one coming
from the West over by Fort

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Ellis, which would be Bozeman,
Mt.

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And they are to basically
encircle these native people and

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try to get them subjugated and
to go into the resist.

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And now remember, no stat
phones, no satellites, no, no

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telephone radio, I mean, I can
go on and on.

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So this is a daunting task in
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But they didn't worry about the
fight.

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Their whole their whole worry
was to find these people.

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OK.
And you know, this battle has

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been written about probably the
most battle written, the most in

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the history of the United
States, one of the most in the

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world.
It's one of history's greatest

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mysteries.
It's Custer's last stand, right?

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That's right.
That's right.

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And it still captures the
imagination.

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I I've encountered that doing
talks and little libraries.

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There's so many folks who are
into this, but the whole thing

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comes to a culmination
eventually after the 7th's been

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in the field for a month.
And they catch these people in a

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traditional area of what is
southeast Montana in the Little

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Big Horn Valley.
Unbeknownst to them that the the

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two other armies are not
anywhere close to them.

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One of them's been defeated 7
days before, and the other army

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from the West is grossly
outnumbered and dragging its

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feet.
So George Custer and his band of

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12 companies that are in the
field for the very first time

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fighting together.
Yeah, you heard that right the

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first time.
All 12 companies are in the

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field are going to blindly try
to take on this encampment that

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they really have no idea how big
it is.

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But his scouts have been telling
him for a number of weeks that

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the people coming to this
encampment aren't leaving.

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They're converging.
OK, so the 7th Calvary roughly

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had about 600 men.
That's civilian Packers and four

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Lakota scouts and maybe about 40
a Riccura.

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And eventually they will come a
surprise.

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Despite all of this and being in
the field for over a month, they

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will catch the native peoples in
encampment by surprise on the

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banks of the little big Big Horn
River.

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And George Custer will ride into
Infinity.

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You know, to to infamy, so to
speak, when he tries to what you

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call hammer and anvil where he
sends he he divides his forces

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up into four groups.
And again, I'm, I'm not this

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isn't anything that it's not out
there written, OK, you just got

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to read this stuff.
But to to move this along, he

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divides his forces and he sends
one battalion, one of those four

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groups across the river and he
promises to support them.

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And so this is with 125 men plus
the Ricora scouts.

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And they go to hit this
encampment that they have no

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idea how big this place is, OK,
Because they had not had any

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time to properly reconnoiter
this valley to see how big this

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encampment really is and how
many people this thing might

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have that just wasn't on their
radar.

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They worried about the fight
afterwards.

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The whole thing is to get there,
OK?

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And Custer eventually does not
cross the river behind his

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subordinate, Major Marcus Reno.
He decides to go to the Bluffs

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above the Little Bighorn River,
which are 300 feet above it, to

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get a better bird's eye view of
this encampment with hopes of

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getting around this encampment
to do what you call a pincher

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and hammer an anvil.
OK, I'm a tactic.

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What he doesn't know is that the
terrain that he's about to

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encounter is treacherous and he
doesn't know where he's going.

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OK.
And the native contingent while

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while the village was surprised,
the women and children, the

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elderly, they they make a mass
exodus to the north.

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Marcus Reno is stopped in the
valley.

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He's not able to get this
encampment so so to speak on the

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run running into where George
Custer can get around him.

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OK.
He he's stymied and where this

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really starts to go into hidden
history that was shared to us on

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this journey is the first
defenders of this encampment who

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come out to face Reno in his 140
some odd men are youngsters and

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elders who are protecting the
medicinal people who are healing

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wounded warriors and horses from
the battle of the Rosebud seven

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days before.
OK, that is just not talked

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about by many, many authors, but
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these elders.
Now, this oral history kept

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alive.
So while Marcus Reno is on

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skirmish line, a skirmish line,
he's being outflanked.

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George Custer thinks he's got
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He also thinks his next
subordinate, Frederick Benteen,

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is coming on with another 125
men, probably trying to bring up

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the pack train.
So George Custer continues to go

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across the Bluffs of the Little
Bighorn Valley trying to find a

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suitable Ave. to cross down into
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This encampment that could
stretch for almost 2 miles could

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contain anywhere from 7500 to
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Warrior size could, you know,
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1000 to 1500, depending on how,
what the age group you want to

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throw in there.
But what they don't talk about

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is that on this day, the native
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youngsters and the elders, we're
not going to be taken.

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They had had enough.
This was a culmination of years

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of years of the army attacking
villages in this encampment or

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Lakota, Cheyenne, Arapaho.
But what we found on our journey

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was the hidden History talks
about many, many more bands

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being there from different
tribes, such as the Dakota, who

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are the parent tribe of the
Siouan people of North America.

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There were many, many more
Arapaho people there.

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There's a heavy influx of
Algonquin people there that

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aren't talked about.
There's some Cree people there,

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Grovant, Ojibwa, and those will
be the same speaking people that

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Arapaho and Cheyenne are.
Those are Algonquin speaking

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people.
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afternoon, why George Custer
thinks this village is on the

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run, They're really putting up a
tremendous amount of resistance.

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They've driven Marcus Reno into
the timber and and he's getting

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put out of this fight, so to
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OK.
And what that means is once they

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run Reno from the timber,
basically his he loses a third

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of his command.
This fighting force converges on

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George Custer and his five
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And he's in terrain he doesn't
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He thinks his subordinates are
coming on with the extra

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ammunition, extra men.
And it very quickly, he's going

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to find himself surrounded by
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OK.
And the culmination of all this

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is, is if you go to the
battlefield to this day, you're

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going to go past the vaunted
last stand heel where Custer and

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his merry man, merry band of men
are said to make a heroic stand,

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right?
You talked to enough historians,

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you talked to enough native
people, and they're going to

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tell you that that's just not
what happened that day.

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What happened was that George
Custer, despite all these odds,

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he he almost pulled this off.
He got dangerously close to the

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noncombatants before Cheyenne.
People stopped him, drove him

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back up.
And so he went around the vaunts

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at last stand.
He'll he now has to head back

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that way.
Some of his men have lost their

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horses.
And there goes your extra

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ammunition.
The warriors converge on him.

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These are Cheyenne, these are
Arapaho, Dakota, Lakota,

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Grosvant warriors.
These are seasoned fighters who

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are guerrilla fighters who use
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And the Calvary men are just at
a complete disadvantage, running

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low on ammunition.
Chaos.

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And, you know, George Custer and
his men did the best they could

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under the circumstances, but
they have to basically retake

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the vaunted Last Stand hill.
OK, That's not talked about.

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Eventually, they cannot go any
further because the back door

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closes on him, so to speak.
And you know, the the memorial

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to the 7th Calvary, the famed
Last Stand hill, that hill chose

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Custer and his men.
And if you the Native American

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people, that is what they talk
about, that hill chose them.

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OK, so Donovan and I worked
really hard to bring out this

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oral history from the Arapaho
Grosvant.

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But what was neat about it was
not only did their people have

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this hidden history that's not
talked about, the other tribes

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talked about it as well and
confirmed it.

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OK, so we made it our mission to
put this information out that's

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not been talked about.
I wanted it to be user friendly.

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And so I went into the
historical records.

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I've been studying the Little
Big Horns my whole life since

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1976.
I went through all the searches

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and in the book I brought out
this oral history and showed

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that many of these stories had
already been talked about.

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So I did the hard part for the
reader, OK.

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And I it's got copious endnotes.
It's got appendixes.

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So I try to make it very easy,
very easy to follow.

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And eventually George Custer and
his band of five companies are

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annihilated and we have
history's greatest mystery.

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So that should kind of bring you
up to speed.

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All right.
So just want to make sure I'm

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tracking here.
So what you're saying is that

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part of the hidden history, at
least one aspect in this

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particular battle is the fact
that like, we're not taught

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about the 10s of thousands,
probably of natives that were

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there.
You know, they make it seem like

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it was a much smaller grouping
of, of them trying to fight off

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the army.
Is that right?

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Is that what I'm getting here?
Part of it, yeah.

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So, So what you what you got,
Jeff, is the standard story is

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it's always Lakota and that
maybe there's 200 Cheyennes and

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five Arapaho.
That's the standard story that

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every historian regurgitates
when they tell this.

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Like what?
I was trying to give you the

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overview.
And it's not, it's just simply

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not true.
And the the oral history is

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alive and well and the
reservations continuing to be

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kept by elders.
Talk to the youngsters.

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But this stuff was already in
the written historical record.

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OK, it's not hard to find it.
My question is when I hear stuff

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like this, right?
Because I, you know, when I hear

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people like Graham Hancock, for
instance, so they talk about

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like these cities in the Amazon
that just haven't really been

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discovered, right?
They're overgrown.

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And there's estimates that some
of these cities could have held

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1,000,000 people.
And then you talk to like

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mainstream, you know,
archaeologists or whatever, and

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they're like, oh, it's
impossible.

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There wasn't that many people
here then, right?

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And it's like, OK, so
something's not adding up.

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So my question always is why?
Why hide the number of how many

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people were actually living
here?

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10,020 thousand however many
thousands of years ago?

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See, I was, I was jumping into
that same exact idea too, but I

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was coming from a different
angle, right?

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Because the, the weird thing,
well, it's not really a weird

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thing.
It's kind of a known thing that

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we tend to do here in America is
we tend to glorify our losses,

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right?
Colonel Custard was, was one of

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those guys where, you know, I, I
could totally see how he could

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have got his ass whipped right
where he just made a really,

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really stupid move and walked
into a complete trap of just,

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you know, thousands and
thousands of of natives Where

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he, you know, maybe conceived it
or he had intelligence saying

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that there was a couple 1000,
but really it was 10s of

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thousands of them.
And it was just a, a, a, a, a

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dumb move from him.
And we instead we, we changed

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the history to say, oh, you
know, he he fought bravely

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against an even battle.
But really he walked into, you

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know, something that, you know,
this, this decorated military

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man probably really shouldn't
have.

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Yeah, yeah.
That that seems, that seems

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more, that seems more along the
line of, of how our history

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works, right?
That's how.

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But I like Jeff, I, I understand
what you're the, the, the route

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you're going down.
Jeff, Jeff likes to look at

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things from the, the point of
view of why are they always

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trying to control our thoughts
and our, our, our views on, on

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the, the count on our
population, right?

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So right now they're, we're
they're telling us that we have

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what, 8 and 8.5 billion people
on on the planet now or just

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over 8 billion now.
But really it doesn't seem like

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there's that much.
But but then when you go back in

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time, they say that there was
far less than there actually

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was.
Am I am?

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I going down the right, I
believe that it's an inversion.

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I believe that back then, right?
I don't know, 30,000 years ago

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there was probably more people
than there are now and they're

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probably doing everything has
been inverted.

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That's what my belief is on
that.

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But still like I'm interested in
like what Lance's thoughts are

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just on that part of it.
Like why would they hide the

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number of native tribes and
people that were there?

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Like what is the?
What's the motivation there to

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hide that?
OK, so let's pick this up right

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before and after.
SO the in the 1850's, the army

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started having conflict as
people pushed W out across the

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plains and this culminated at
the little Bighorn.

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OK, and you got to remember
little Bighorn is the equivalent

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of 911 to to us three here.
OK, it it it shocked the world.

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They found out about it in the
1876, our hundred year

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anniversary, I believe in that
was going on in Philadelphia.

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It just reverberated.
Custer and five elite companies

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of U.S.
Army destroyed by the natives.

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OK, well, so let's back up.
They never took the time to

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understand really who the
natives were and just what kind

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of people they really were.
Let's see, they could have

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because they were getting Intel
from captured natives or native

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people who had married into
traders, half breeds people they

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had captured and they started
picking up from what I am told,

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they started the our, our
intelligence services, which I

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have been told were around at
that time, as well as the

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Canadians had been picking up
pieces that native people had a

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lot of abilities that are not
discussed.

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So, so let's go down.
We can go down that rabbit hole

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real quick.
I think you'll you'll get where

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I'm going.
I think that's a good, good

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rabbit hole to go down.
OK, so let's see once you learn

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this part of it that you're
going to see, Jeff, why they

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covered this up to start with
the Native people.

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And again, I'm not telling you
anything that hasn't been

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discussed by Native American
historians and authors and a

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collection of incredible books
put out years and years ago that

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nobody continuously looks at.
OK, there was the Grapevine

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Deloria, who wrote about this
information, William K Powers,

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You know, I'm looking at these
books here.

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Doctor James Walker, who spent
time with Lakota people at the

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turn of the century.
I mean, I can go on and on on

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these books.
And the point being is the army

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and the United States
government, the Canadian

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government had learned that the
native people had some abilities

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that would be called
supernatural.

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But now it's starting to come
out that it's not.

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We can, we talked about possibly
telepathic communication, OK.

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We, we talked about remote
viewing, OK.

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We can also talk about how they
felt that they could converse

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with the plants, the trees, the
animals, OK?

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And there's a couple of really
good stories about the little

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bighorn about talking with the
the birds and the animals that's

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in the book.
There was also a lot of talk and

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a lot of people want to focus on
it now and I steer away from it,

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but I, I will bring you to speed
on it.

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They, they have been catching
glimpses of stories about how

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Native American people and First
Nations had an ability to take

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another form, OK, to take a form
of an animal.

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If, if somebody wants to call
that shape shifting, then they

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can call it shape shifting.
But so, so you see, the

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government was very interested
in these people.

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OK, Now you say, well, why does
that make them go after them in,

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in Montana, there was enough of
them around the forts, the

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hangar honors and those things.
Well, the group that's out in

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Montana, it's always said that
they only gathered like two or

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three times.
That's the biggest bunch of

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crap.
Jeff, this goes back to what

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you're talking about.
These people have been on the

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plains for thousands of years
before this.

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The Algonkins, OK, Jeremy and I
talked about this.

449
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,480
The Algonkin people came across
from Siberia, Mongolia, Central

450
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,240
Asia islands north of Japan, and
they came across the Bering Land

451
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:53,200
Bridge, you know, Alaska, Yukon
Territory, Canada, down into the

452
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,920
Pacific Northwest and across the
plains all the way to the Great

453
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,800
Lakes.
That's 13,000 years ago, right?

454
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,520
I'm sorry.
That's the 13,000 year ago

455
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:03,840
lambridge you're talking about,
right?

456
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,320
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
OK.

457
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,520
This is well documented and it's
the stuff is still alive with

458
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:15,320
Native American people here.
So, you know, so, so these

459
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,840
people had had been in in
Oregon, they're in Northern

460
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,760
California and they're all the
way to the Great Lakes because

461
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,440
they had to keep moving because
there's a series of volcano

462
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,160
volcanoes erupting behind them.
OK.

463
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,560
These Algonkins were so
numerous.

464
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,520
They broke off somewhere on the
plains and another group came,

465
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,560
started coming SE and I think
they came right across Missouri

466
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,800
where I'm at.
And they smashed into these

467
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,800
other native people.
Some of them have been here, we

468
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,960
don't know how long.
And there was a massive civil

469
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,760
war that broke out here.
OK, So these are the descendants

470
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,440
at the little bighorn of these
people.

471
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,280
OK, It's not amateur hour.
You follow me here.

472
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,520
These guys are seasoned
warriors.

473
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:09,680
These people are tied into this
planet and what's here on this

474
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,640
Earth.
This phenomena, so to speak,

475
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,880
that's so well talked about
finally to this day of possibly

476
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,480
a life force that's here, they
were in tune with it.

477
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,960
OK.
And again, I'm not sitting here

478
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,600
telling you to take my word at
it.

479
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:28,560
Do your own research.
It's written down by very, very

480
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,640
credible native people told to
them by their own people.

481
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,160
OK, so these people at the
Little Bighorn are being

482
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,760
persecuted because of these
abilities.

483
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:43,480
And you say, well, how do you
know it?

484
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,120
Because the stories are still
alive.

485
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,200
After the battle, they
scattered.

486
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,840
And guess what?
They scattered with their

487
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:56,040
bundles.
OK, and think of a bundle, very

488
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,880
simple.
It's your protection, it's your

489
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:05,040
power.
And it tied them to another

490
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,480
world, and that other world
would be to the Star people.

491
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,160
OK, Now if this sounds like it's
going to the Woo woo, then I

492
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,000
guess it sounds like it's going
to the woo woo.

493
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,480
But this is their own history,
OK?

494
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:24,560
And these bundles were cherished
and sacred, and they were the

495
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,440
lifeline to these people.
And the US government and

496
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,240
Canadian government went after
these people after the Little

497
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,760
Bighorn and chased some of them
all the way to Quebec.

498
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,360
OK, It it, it, it would take the
three of us quite a while to

499
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,200
drive from southeast Montana to
Quebec, let alone on a horse

500
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,520
being chased.
OK.

501
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,680
So, so, you know, put this in
perspective.

502
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,120
You're going to chase people.
I mean, you know, think about

503
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:54,920
it.
It's it's crazy.

504
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,440
It must have been super fucking
important to send yes manpower

505
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:00,960
and resources across.
Yeah, yeah.

506
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:07,000
Yeah, and these people had the
ability and they believed that

507
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,720
they come from the star people.
OK.

508
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,760
And again, I'm not sitting here
telling you that the listeners

509
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,360
or whoever this is some
cockamamie bull, this this is

510
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,240
their history, fellas.
But we as a society turn our

511
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,360
backs on it because it's
supernatural.

512
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,400
It doesn't fit what we're taught
in school.

513
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,160
And the guys that are bringing
this hidden history out now

514
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,400
continuously are not talking to
Native people.

515
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,640
Sure, they're bringing up the
history.

516
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,360
Jeremy and I talked about it.
Sure, they're talking about all

517
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,280
of these great researches in the
past, Roswell, Leonard

518
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,200
Stringfield, all these
incredible people, George Knapp,

519
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,160
Jeremy Korbel.
But they are not talking about

520
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,040
the people who are Indigenous
and who dealt with this

521
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:52,760
phenomena, let alone whose
belief is they were put here

522
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,520
from people from another Galaxy.
You know what I mean?

523
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,640
Yeah.
And from your research is first

524
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,120
of all I just want to ask, did
it, is there giants, are giants

525
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,040
mixed in there at all from your?
Yeah.

526
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,000
Yeah, so when I was talking
about these Algonkans coming

527
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:16,000
into North America, the group
that split off and went to the

528
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:21,400
Southeast and run it runs into
the civil war with these snake

529
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:27,600
people.
Now the snake people don't think

530
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,600
of them as as a as a creature
that's a that's a name given to

531
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,880
people that are already here or
that are coming up from

532
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,280
Mesoamerica and South America.
OK.

533
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,760
But before that, these Algonkans
have history about running into

534
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,880
a bigger race of people who may
be the Mound Builders.

535
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:54,440
And there was a protracted war
with these people.

536
00:33:55,120 --> 00:34:00,840
And these Algonkins allied with
the Iroquois allies, maybe to

537
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,040
the Cherokee as well.
There's kind of loose

538
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,920
speculation on that, but you get
the picture.

539
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:10,000
OK, so they they battled these
giants, but you got to remember

540
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:15,400
a giant might be somebody who's
6 foot 6 and above, OK.

541
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,400
But but they were a mound
building culture.

542
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,280
This is before the Mississippian
culture takes place.

543
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,560
And, you know, that stuff's just
not talked about.

544
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,440
But we also, I told Jeremy, we
have to be careful here because

545
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:32,679
there's a series of cataclysmic
events on this planet that they

546
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:36,880
don't nobody talks about.
I mean, what made the Grand

547
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,600
Canyon, for God's sakes?
You know, there's a series of

548
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,600
floods that are in Native
American history that that need

549
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,800
to be always kept in the back of
your mind.

550
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,719
OK, when these people get here,
or maybe they happened before

551
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,800
them.
We, we don't know.

552
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,840
It's been lost to general racial
trauma.

553
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:01,800
Native people are continuously
doing a lot of research, a a lot

554
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,800
of meetings, trying to get this
stuff out to their people and to

555
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,320
their youngsters.
Because a lot of these

556
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:14,960
prophecies talk about the end
times, Mother Earth being

557
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,120
mistreated.
And if, if, if, if we have a

558
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:23,280
chance as a world to be saved,
so to speak, we've got to follow

559
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,080
the red people.
And there's got to be a

560
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,240
reunification of what they call
the eagle in the Condor.

561
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,960
OK.
And in very loose layman terms,

562
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,000
the eagle in the Condor is going
to talk about people from North

563
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,440
America, Native people, and
we're talking about people then

564
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,760
from South Mesoamerica and South
America that later on had some

565
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,920
type of a civil war here.
OK, I want to get into that real

566
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,440
quick.
I just want to in the chat here

567
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,760
out of Africa is nonsense.
People were here from the

568
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,880
beginning and the whole, I think
natives have been here way more

569
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,120
than 13,000 years.
Yeah, yeah, no, I don't think

570
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,760
either one of us are saying we,
we built.

571
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,360
We both believe that I would
say.

572
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,320
But also I believe that people
came here the way that we're

573
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,840
told like 13,000 years ago
across the the Lamb Bridge.

574
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,200
People did do that, but there
were already people here before

575
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,480
that happened as well.
Absolutely, absolutely.

576
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:22,480
And look, Native people, even
even certain Algonquin people to

577
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,280
this day actually say their
people came from Central Asia

578
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,520
across to Europe here.
So again, I'm not telling any

579
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,200
folks what to believe.
I'm just telling them that

580
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:39,000
there's a lot of different parts
to this story, OK, How they all

581
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,800
intertwine.
We may never get to the bottom

582
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,320
of that, you know, because it's
so far gone.

583
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,680
But yeah, so anybody's got more
research, throw it out there at

584
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,960
us, man, because I'm always
willing to listen and learn

585
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,440
myself.
Yeah, I like to just, I like

586
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,680
this just kind of dial everybody
in because I know there's people

587
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,280
who aren't quite up to speed,
right.

588
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,320
The timeline thing is why I
asked about the Giants and you

589
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,200
said it exactly what I was
thinking.

590
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,640
I'm trying to keep my timeline.
That's in my mind, right?

591
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,400
So there's already people here
in the Americas, North and

592
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:10,960
South, right?
Who knows how long?

593
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,480
Million years, I don't give a
fuck.

594
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,120
Could be 10 million years.
There's people here already in,

595
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:20,240
there was in somewhere in that
timeline, Mound Builders, right,

596
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,600
The Giants.
Then about 13,000 years ago,

597
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,040
people start coming across these
bridges, whether it's from

598
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,560
Europe or, or whatever.
And that could have been from

599
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,240
the Younger Dryas and all the
the cataclysms that were

600
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:35,360
happening 13,000 years ago.
OK, when people, other people

601
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,800
start coming in.
And then what you're also saying

602
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:44,160
is that there was other entities
here as well, Star people,

603
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,640
right?
The Ant people or the Greys and

604
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,400
so on and so forth.
Yeah, OK.

605
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,320
So stay right where you're at
there for some more

606
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,960
clarification.
When when we're talking about

607
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:02,160
these, the first peoplings of of
North America, we don't have any

608
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:09,720
DNA or good archaeological
evidence to prove where they

609
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:12,240
are.
The second peopling we know came

610
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:18,000
from, excuse me, Mesoamerica,
Central America in those for all

611
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,240
intents purposes, could be the
Olmecs, the the predecessors to

612
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:26,160
the Mayans and native people to
this day out on the plains talk

613
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,960
about the Olmecs as their
grandfathers.

614
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,840
So, so let that sink in for a
minute, OK, Then you've got

615
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,640
these Algonkins coming in,
followed by people who are the

616
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:44,680
Dene Dene.
So, so for clarification, the

617
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:49,480
Algonkins would be let's just
start the the parent tribe was

618
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:55,960
thought to be the Lenape LANAPE
and they went all the way to the

619
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:03,920
Atlantic Ocean by 1296.
The the the big Algonkins groups

620
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:09,080
are the Cree and Ojibwa.
OK, but you're talking about

621
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,280
hundreds of tribes that are well
known.

622
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:18,560
The Kickapoo, the sock, the Fox,
Miami, the there was a tribe

623
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,640
called the Algonkin Potawatomi,
Ottawa.

624
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:27,320
OK, these are some heavy, heavy
hitters here, OK, who are

625
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,680
steeped in tradition, the
Shawnee, who are steeped in

626
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,040
giant history.
This history that you're talking

627
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,120
about, Jeff, the Shawnees are
all over it, are all involved in

628
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:41,960
it in the Ohio Valley, OK, The,
the, the Algonkins of the Plains

629
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,680
would be the, the Plains Cree,
the Ojibwa that stayed out there

630
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,640
from when they were going West
to east, OK, the Cheyenne, the

631
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:54,680
Arapaho, the Blackfoot, the
Grovant guys, there's 2

632
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:58,000
Algonquin speaking tribes in
Northern California to this day.

633
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:05,000
OK, Nope, nobody talks about it,
you know, So the the Danae

634
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,360
people, and I've been fortunate
to visit with a lot of those

635
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,200
folks, the Danae would be the
Navajo and the Apache.

636
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,160
Those people and these Algonkins
were in some type of an

637
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,520
alliance.
So so you got that part of the

638
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,440
Jeff.
But long before that they talk

639
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,040
about when the native people
were put on earth.

640
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,960
OK.
And I I think this is this is a

641
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,960
key point to bring up here.
They talk about coming from the

642
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:39,400
star people, OK, And you know,
this is I, I know you guys are

643
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,240
open minded to this and your
listeners are so, so we need to

644
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:44,000
start working this stuff out
there.

645
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,640
The native people want to to
talk about this.

646
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,760
I can only go into so far of it,
but they talk about coming from

647
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,800
the star people.
But we got to be clear here.

648
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,440
There were already people here
and there were already entities,

649
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,400
maybe we would call them here,
such as the proverbial Gray that

650
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,440
is so prevalent in the abduction
cases.

651
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,320
OK.
So let that sink in for a

652
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,680
minute.
You know, so, so there's a whole

653
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,120
gamut of of, of trails to follow
here.

654
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,800
So, you know, that just kind of
gives you a big overview.

655
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,480
And these people who are already
here or these entities that are

656
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:26,080
already here, it's not real warm
and fuzzy with them, OK.

657
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,040
And the native people have
stories after story of battling

658
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,000
not only giants, but battling
these like reptilian like

659
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,920
creatures.
And don't confuse that with the

660
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,040
snake people out of South and
Mesoamerica.

661
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:45,960
We're talking about some type of
22 legged entity.

662
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,920
Is it kinfolk to dinosaurs?
I don't know.

663
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,120
I don't know if we'll ever know
now.

664
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,680
But they talked about driving
them across the Missouri River,

665
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,440
back across the Mississippi and
to the southeast.

666
00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:58,960
OK.
They talked about this

667
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,440
protracted battle with these
Grays and they talk about a

668
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,120
protracted battle with a a
double faced creature that

669
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,920
stretched all the way from
Ontario down to the Black Hills

670
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,640
of South Dakota.
So one.

671
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,960
Creature.
A double faced creature.

672
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,840
One creature.
I don't really know anymore how

673
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:26,880
to say it than that, but. 11.
Good history and and pieces to

674
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,680
that that frankly makes Star
Wars look pedestrian.

675
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,840
You're talking about like one
creature or like a like a

676
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,240
civilization of.
Civilization.

677
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:37,400
Thousands.
OK, OK.

678
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,720
Thousands of them, not warm and
fuzzy.

679
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,040
And, and where this even gets
more fascinating to somebody

680
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:50,560
like me is, you know, look, on
my journey, I was just trying to

681
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,920
understand what happened at the
Little Bighorn, OK?

682
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,320
And Donovan and I were were
blessed because we had so many

683
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,880
elders helping us.
We never dreamed in our wildest

684
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:04,240
dreams that we could catch this
oral history before it was gone,

685
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:07,800
right?
And the elders kept talking

686
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,440
about when all were one on at
one time on Mother Earth, Turtle

687
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,720
Island.
And so it took a while for that

688
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:17,320
to register because I'm trying
to catch what's going on at the

689
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,160
Little Bighorn.
There's a very proper way to ask

690
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,200
for information from elders and
protocols that you should, as a

691
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,880
researcher and a historian,
follow out of common courtesy

692
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,480
for these people who deserve
that respect.

693
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,280
OK.
And it's it's it can.

694
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,480
It's a very simple process if
you're taught it and you knew

695
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:42,200
that need to adhere to it.
But once we started catching the

696
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,880
little bighorn, these people
were talking about these

697
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,360
bundles, right?
And they started telling me

698
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,720
about where they were taking
these bundles after the battle.

699
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:56,560
And I'm like, boy, that sounds
I've never heard this, you know,

700
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,320
and I'm kind of like, well, wow,
why would they take a bundle

701
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,080
there that seems kind of out in
the open?

702
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,560
And then they started sharing a
lot of this history about

703
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,000
places.
And I'm not going to go into

704
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,000
where these places are, but
they're well known places.

705
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,800
And they started talking about
what a bundle's really capable

706
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,840
of.
And again, not going to discuss

707
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,840
that, but the aspect of it is
that it communicates with the

708
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,840
with the their ancestors, where
they came from, the star people.

709
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,440
OK.
And they talk about the

710
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,760
ceremonies from the star people,
the sweat lodge, right?

711
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,280
Go ahead.
When you say bundles, my thought

712
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,280
is like a bundle of sticks and
herbs that you would burn.

713
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,160
Is that what you're talking
about?

714
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,960
Literally like a.
Well, a bundle's going to be

715
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,360
made of a it could be an an
animal skin.

716
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,000
It could be a Mountain Lion.
It could be a a cougar.

717
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,120
It's it's it's going to be a
rawhide par flesh.

718
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,280
It could be.
But it's what I'm talking about.

719
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,960
It's essentially like a bundle
that you're burning in ceremony,

720
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,080
right?
That's that's.

721
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,720
And no, it's, it's going to
carry your, it's going to carry

722
00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:02,640
your medicine.
It's going to carry something

723
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,480
that you've gotten from your
spirit helper when you went out

724
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,320
and sought a vision.
OK, It's.

725
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:10,720
Making sense.
I got you.

726
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,560
I'm track.
It's going to it's, it's going

727
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,640
to have your protection in it,
but it's going to be your

728
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,520
lifeline to your ancestors to
the start.

729
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,680
It's your bundle of DMT.
Yeah.

730
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,400
I mean, there's, there's a lot
of ways to say in a contemporary

731
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:35,520
term, yeah, you know, but these
people were in tune with this

732
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,600
earth and this continent and
there was a there's a life force

733
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,440
here and they knew how to tap
into it.

734
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,000
They also need they knew how to
visit with their ancestors.

735
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,920
OK.
And again, I'm not saying any of

736
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,280
this.
This is this isn't like I'm

737
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,600
making this stuff up.
OK?

738
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,240
This, yeah, the elders shared.
But when you take a deep dive,

739
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,960
you can find this on your own
journey if you if you do it hard

740
00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:04,920
enough.
And these people understood

741
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,960
where they were from because
there's a certain way that they

742
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,400
painted themselves.
There's a certain color of paint

743
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,000
that they would find, OK.
There's certain medicinal

744
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,240
properties that they were
instructed from how to use to

745
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:22,880
heal themselves, to keep
themselves healthy, to protect

746
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,200
their their their children and
on and on and on, OK.

747
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,320
And the reason I'm bringing this
up is because they talk about

748
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:36,680
the star people and how they
interceded here on this earth

749
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,840
and had really helped the red
and brown race.

750
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,440
Well, Lance, who's the red and
brown race that that's still a

751
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:50,080
big question and and that's more
for native people to, to visit

752
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,120
with you 2 later on and, and on
this show.

753
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,640
And hopefully we can help you
guys meet some of those people

754
00:46:54,640 --> 00:47:00,640
and they, they'll come on here.
But the the genesis of that is I

755
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:06,160
was told emphatically that the
brown race was infused by the

756
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:13,680
Lemurians out of the Pacific who
smashed into the American

757
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:20,160
Southwest, California, the West
Coast of Peru, western Mexico.

758
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:25,720
The Lemurians got into Peru and
the red race was abused by the

759
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:29,600
Atlanteans.
OK, all right.

760
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,160
In a lot of these, they say came
into Guatemala where the the

761
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,160
Mayans were.
Lance.

762
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,680
Yeah.
Let's hold off there just just

763
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,360
for a second.
No problem.

764
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,640
That one's going to give Jeff a
nice little stiffy.

765
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,320
Let's let's let's wait there for
a second.

766
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,800
Your crystal crystal laughing
back there.

767
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,600
You could just you could you
could you could see the the just

768
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,600
severe intenseness in his in his
eyes, staring into the camera

769
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,280
with the words Lamoria and
Atlantis popping off and and his

770
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,240
nipples just getting so hard
with excitement.

771
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,960
But I just want to take a step
back.

772
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,680
OK, before we get too far, I've
been, I've been waiting for like

773
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,880
a breath just so I can squeeze
in and kind of help fill in some

774
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,000
of the.
Sorry bro, we're excited to

775
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,080
appear.
No, dude, I get it.

776
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:23,600
I'm excited too.
I'm excited too.

777
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,840
I wanted to just let him go, but
I want to be able to fill in

778
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,560
some of the listeners, OK,
because I can guarantee you

779
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,440
there's going to be listeners to
this episode and there's going

780
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,280
to be some people that are just
completely lost in the sauce and

781
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:42,000
they're just like, what?
So I wanted to just take, take a

782
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,480
little bit of a step back and
just kind of let's, let's,

783
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:51,160
let's, let's Barney style or
elementary some of this, some of

784
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:55,080
the key terms here and go over
some of the, the, the history

785
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,840
stuff for some, some key things.
I've been taking some notes

786
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,960
here, OK.
And I, I wrote down Lamoria and

787
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,920
Atlantis so we can come right
back to this.

788
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,720
All right, all right, Jeff, I
got you.

789
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:16,120
So First things first, let's go
back and I apologize to anybody

790
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:17,360
that was really getting into
that.

791
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,200
I just know that as soon as we
start this Lamoria and Atlantis

792
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,280
talk, we are not coming back to
any of this other stuff.

793
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:32,760
So all right, let's talk about
you had made a comment about

794
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:40,400
this may be diverting into the
woo woo and how this is this is

795
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,200
their history, right?
And a lot of the listeners may

796
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,040
be saying, oh, well, this is
getting too woo for me.

797
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:54,400
I want to make a comment on that
because there is there, there is

798
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,880
a lot of woo going on right now,
but the veil between what people

799
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,960
were believing was flesh and
blood, mechanical, and the world

800
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,680
of the woo is starting to become
dissolved.

801
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,360
That that veil there is starting
to dissolve more and it's

802
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:15,520
starting to become more
intermingled now.

803
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:30,400
I'd say quite a while ago a book
was was published by I can't

804
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,920
remember the the names of the
authors, but the the book was

805
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:39,640
called Hunt for the Skinwalker
and it was it was a

806
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,160
groundbreaking book.
In fact, I had it right here.

807
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,960
It's by Column Kelleher and
George Knapp.

808
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:56,280
I should remember George Knapp
at least, and they had recently,

809
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,120
up until a couple years ago,
just released a second book

810
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,680
attached to it called
Skinwalkers at the Pentagon.

811
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,960
They did just release a third
book, which, you know, I'm going

812
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,800
to leave out information from
that for now because I feel like

813
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,160
that part is going to extend
past what our conversation is

814
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,880
about right now.
But basically the gist of the

815
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,760
majority of the second book in
this series is the talk about a

816
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:28,160
program called OSAP or the
Advanced Aerospace Weapons

817
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:32,080
Systems Application program,
which was a department of a top

818
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:39,480
secret Department of Defense pro
UFO basically study program.

819
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:49,880
It's basically the gist of it
was to study the implications of

820
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:57,160
UFOs on national security by way
of how they impact flight of

821
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:02,640
both civilian and military
aircraft from from the pilot's

822
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:07,120
point of view.
Now the more public version of

823
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,680
this is a tip.
Now anybody knows Lou Elizondo

824
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,320
and there's a ton of people that
have their own personal opinions

825
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:18,880
on him and, and his, you know,
where he comes from and, and

826
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,240
what he means to do, whether
it's good or bad.

827
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:29,920
AATIP is the non top secret
version of OSAP and it's the

828
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:34,080
more diluted version of it.
And basically, you know, I, I

829
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:38,680
spent eight years in, in Naval
aviation and I was there when

830
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:46,520
the whole push came out to start
reporting UFO sightings.

831
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:49,600
I remember when they, they
started going through the

832
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:55,240
different forms that pilots were
to fill out, reporting UFOs.

833
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,640
That was the push by a tip.
That was the push from, you

834
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,600
know, Louis Elizondo's book
Imminent.

835
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,560
When that came out, he dove into
the whole background behind that

836
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:13,480
push, plus much, much more.
But that was just a branch of

837
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,680
the parent program, OSSAP, which
was top secret.

838
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,240
Now.
This program had major

839
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:25,560
congressional funding.
This program was based around

840
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:30,760
the idea that there was a
paranormal aspect to the UFO

841
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,840
phenomenon.
Not just the UFO phenomenon but

842
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,960
other unknown phenomenon.
Mostly around the idea of

843
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:45,320
Skinwalker Ranch because the
original book Hunt for the

844
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,880
Skinwalker which outlines the
entire history well from the

845
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:55,200
Sherman's on basically of
Skinwalker Ranch through the

846
00:53:55,200 --> 00:54:00,080
Bigelow ages.
It dives into the scientific

847
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,640
study of NIDS and then later on
goes into the Bigelow Advanced

848
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:09,480
Aerospace Scientific Studies
program.

849
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:16,520
At the Skinwalker Ranch.
There was a ton of money being

850
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:22,760
funneled in from taxpayer
funding to the study of

851
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:29,640
paranormal aspects of UFOs.
If you take what Lance is

852
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:34,320
talking about here, about how
there was a paranormal aspect to

853
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:47,760
the Native Americans and some of
the some of their some of their

854
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:54,280
defenses and offenses, right, or
just abilities in general.

855
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:02,000
This all connects into one other
thing he was talking about that

856
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,840
he made a slight nod to.
And I don't know if you meant to

857
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,560
just keep it a slight nod, but
the ability to shape shift,

858
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:14,280
which is for us, you know, for
the people who know this at the

859
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:21,280
surface level, there is the, the
legend of the, the Skinwalker or

860
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,040
the Yi.
Now Lushi, which is a Navajo

861
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:28,840
legend.
Now there are plenty of, of

862
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:33,360
legends throughout all of Native
American lore that translate

863
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:40,200
very well into the, the, the,
the Skinwalker.

864
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:43,920
And I'm sure you could get into
that.

865
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,320
I'll, I'll let you get into that
if you want to or not.

866
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:52,280
That's completely up to you.
But I would only assume that

867
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,640
that's more along the lines of
what you were you were talking

868
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:59,080
about when you when you made
that that comment, you're

869
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:05,240
talking along the lines of of a
skinwalker kind of like theme.

870
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:16,320
When we were on the trail to the
Little Bighorn, there was a lot

871
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:21,320
of history shared with us that
we could not put in the book.

872
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:28,080
But yet it was made explicitly
clear to us that we could share

873
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:33,040
in a conversation like this in
an effort to get the world to

874
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:42,160
know who the Native people were
because of impending events that

875
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:47,560
a lot of native people in South
Mesoamerica and North America

876
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,120
feel are already well on their
way to happening.

877
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:57,800
OK, so I'll, I'll try to tie
this together for you, so bear

878
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,640
with me.
But the point being is to answer

879
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:04,760
your question directly about a,
a somebody who can change their

880
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:10,400
form.
We have been told that when the

881
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:15,400
7th Calvary was coming from Fort
Lincoln to southeast Montana,

882
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,880
following these people,
following the trails, you know,

883
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,440
they were in the field for over
a month.

884
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:26,000
It's, it's you're crazy to think
that they weren't spotted even

885
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,840
though they snuck up on that
encampment.

886
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,120
Well the reason they snuck up on
that encampment on the Little

887
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,720
Bighorn was the native people
first of all had thought they

888
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,600
had driven the army out of the
field 7 days before at the

889
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,640
Rosebud battle, which is just
about an hour from the Little

890
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,920
Bighorn.
OK, they didn't think the two

891
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,800
armies would be dumb enough to
attack them.

892
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:54,840
Second of all, they Custer and
his, his unit had been his, his

893
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,480
Army 600.
And some men had been spotted,

894
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,800
according to Native American
people told to me.

895
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,280
And one particular story that
I'll never forget is about a

896
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,160
warrior who is in the historical
record.

897
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,960
But again, I can't drop the name
because the family asked me not

898
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,480
to.
But this warrior who fought

899
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,960
there was said to have those
abilities to change form.

900
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:24,240
And he and his companions have
been on scouting duty looking

901
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,600
for the Army if they were coming
from that direction.

902
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,840
And this man, and I don't know
about the rest of his

903
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,440
companions, I'm going to assume
that they had the abilities to

904
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:37,560
do this as well.
That they that he formed into a

905
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:45,880
four legged animal common to the
plains and and and spotted the

906
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,280
7th Calvary.
OK, yeah, that story is alive

907
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:54,240
and well by one of the one of
the Native people on the the

908
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:58,080
plains of reservations.
And those people were all at the

909
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,880
Little Bighorn.
Also, real quick at the Little

910
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:05,480
Bighorn, when I was talking to
you about when George Custer

911
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:09,360
split his forces and he goes to
the Bluffs and he's moving

912
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,680
behind the Bluffs above the
river.

913
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,560
And his his subordinate Marcus
Reno's thundering down this

914
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:20,120
valley and he's got to drive
this encampment into Custer not

915
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,280
knowing that there's 10,000
people and he's got 140 men.

916
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:29,920
I mean, you know, but the point
being is Custer and his men had

917
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:35,640
not been spotted until we were
told an oral history that's in

918
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:41,080
the book where the native people
had sent their winged creatures,

919
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:46,080
their brothers, the the winged
Sentinels out on scouting duty.

920
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:50,400
And when they had driven Reno
from the field, they talk about

921
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:57,200
seeing this giant demonstration
of, you know, meadowlarks,

922
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:04,200
eagles, Hawks, woodpeckers,
crow, that massive thousands of

923
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,160
birds making this demonstration
high above the encampment on the

924
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,640
little bighorn.
And they were letting this

925
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,440
encampment know that danger was
coming.

926
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,680
And when George Custer was
dividing his forces trying to

927
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:19,520
get around these people, the
birds were breaking off and

928
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,200
swooping.
So, so you know.

929
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:25,920
If if people don't want to
believe it, that's fine.

930
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:27,800
I'm just telling you this the
the history.

931
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:32,800
But they had the ability to
communicate in a different

932
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,240
manner.
Plain and simple.

933
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,160
OK.
Plain and simple.

934
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:46,320
You had also man, that's that's
wild.

935
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:53,400
Like, sorry, try try to move on.
But were they, were they, were

936
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:57,320
they mirroring the movements?
Yes, that's.

937
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,160
Crazy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

938
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:05,000
It, it's Jeremy.
It's it, it's, it's so wild, but

939
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:11,400
it's so common to these people.
You know, they they they walked

940
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,160
in a different world than we
did, man, and they still do.

941
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:18,640
But they were in tune with the
plants, the trees, the animals.

942
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:25,640
Those plant trees and animals
are alive, if you're able to in

943
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,760
your consciousness, which most
of us can't do to go there,

944
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,320
right?
We are so conditioned and

945
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,600
watered down now in our state of
our form.

946
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:37,920
We can't do that.
Well, as I was telling you, the

947
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,200
native people, many folks are
very worried about future

948
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:45,320
events.
And part of that history is if

949
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:50,200
we are be, if we are to survive
what's coming and get back to

950
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,000
being medicinal people.
That's their words, all of us

951
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:57,120
being medicinal people, that we
all could have those abilities

952
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:02,360
to, to, to communicate with each
other telepathically, that we

953
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,200
could visit with the animal
world, the birds.

954
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,320
Let that sink in, right?
So.

955
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:13,560
Talked about in your book.
I'm sorry, what?

956
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:14,960
Is this talked about in your
book?

957
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,160
Yes, I, I, I, I, I, Yes, I go
through it a little bit in the

958
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,480
book, yes.
I will grab your book, Sir.

959
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,320
Well, well, thank you.
Thank you for that shameless

960
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:24,320
plug.
I appreciate it.

961
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,080
I will definitely grab.
Your, I was just joking in the

962
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:28,840
chat, kind of making fun of
myself.

963
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,080
You know, like I said at the
beginning, I'm biased towards

964
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,480
this because this is stuff that
I've gotten so deep into that,

965
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,560
you know, I, I truly believe
this.

966
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,840
And I, and I'm also the guy who
repeats that quote.

967
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:43,480
Belief is the enemy of knowing,
right?

968
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:47,680
So I don't know how I reconcile
that, But I, I do believe this,

969
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:52,560
that the, the, our ancestors,
like you said, they were so in

970
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,680
tune with everything right now.
I can break this down in the

971
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,840
simplest terms from my mind,
right?

972
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,880
Like these people were, they
knew what plants and animals or

973
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,440
whatever it was, what
concoctions they could make to

974
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,400
access the spirit realm, right?
Whether that's ayahuasca or

975
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:11,760
psilocybin or whatever, The
thing is in the region that

976
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,360
these people could use to access
these altered states of

977
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,840
consciousness, right?
And in these altered states of

978
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:21,360
consciousness is where you, you
get into getting information

979
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,240
from the Akashic records or
whatever, right?

980
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,280
This is where creativity and
innovation comes from, the flow

981
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:28,800
state, right?
These altered states of

982
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:33,200
consciousness, so I, I always
said that the, the people right,

983
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:37,280
I always say say jokingly right
like the lizard people have

984
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,360
hidden this from us right.
This was the whole point of all

985
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:45,000
of the hidden history was to
hide the key to accessing

986
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,680
altered states of consciousness
is why they make all of those

987
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,600
things illegal.
This is why they've masked the

988
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:54,520
natural holistic world, the what
you call it, we need to get back

989
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:56,760
to being medicinal people.
Is that the term?

990
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,040
Right.
So they they masked that

991
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:04,160
holistic world with this
synthetic world that we're being

992
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,520
bombarded with frequencies and
we're consuming all kinds of

993
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:12,840
shit that's making us unable to
even get back to, you know, that

994
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,480
altered state of consciousness.
Even I was just telling Crystal,

995
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,840
even if we stopped everything
right now, went out to the

996
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:22,200
woods, we started just consuming
psilocybin on a daily basis.

997
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,280
We'd probably never get to the
point as our ancestors because

998
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:29,000
they were doing that from birth.
And like they were just in tune

999
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:30,960
on another level that you and I
couldn't get to.

1000
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,840
And that's the that's the big
thing that they wiped out of

1001
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,360
history was that knowledge.
That's what I think.

1002
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,480
You're on it, you're on it,
Jeff.

1003
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:42,560
I mean, both of you are, you're
picking it up.

1004
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:47,280
It's this is so interchangeable
with what's coming out now.

1005
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,720
I never thought that this would
happen like this.

1006
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:54,720
And I'm, I'm, I'm pleasantly
surprised.

1007
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:58,080
And again, I'm not here to tell
anybody what to believe.

1008
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:02,120
I'm just giving you the Cliff
notes of what's been shared to

1009
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,520
myself that I can share with
folks.

1010
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:09,160
And if I can learn it, then
there's no reason that somebody

1011
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,080
else can't.
Who's the seeker and a searcher,

1012
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:18,880
You know, and I mean, look,
these people have been telling

1013
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:22,080
this for a long time that we've
been abusing this earth and

1014
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:23,440
there's going to be a price to
pay.

1015
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:25,920
OK.
And, and, and we haven't

1016
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,440
listened and we can go on.
But Jeff, go back to your snake

1017
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:33,840
people story.
If you if you dig into the some,

1018
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:38,800
some incredible research, go
back to that book by Bramley,

1019
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:43,400
William Bramley, I think it was
called the Gods of Eden.

1020
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:49,640
Some of the the research that he
turned up in the 80s talked

1021
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:55,480
about the snake people were
really the people trying to

1022
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:59,600
promote what you just said, the
positive abilities that we had.

1023
01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:05,800
But the powers to be certain
church officials and we all know

1024
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:07,560
who those certain church
officials are.

1025
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:12,880
They might reside in Italy.
They might not squash that and

1026
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:17,600
change that narrative that the
snake people were crazier in

1027
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,520
hell and evil.
OK, the.

1028
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,600
Eagle versus the Serpent.
Right.

1029
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:26,080
But, but let's go back, though.
What does a doctor have on his

1030
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,920
Crest?
A snake, remember.

1031
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:29,560
Yeah.
Yeah.

1032
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:34,520
OK, Now let's stay real quick in
the Southeast.

1033
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:42,480
Now people want to talk about
where did certain people come

1034
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,640
from that are under some
linguistics stocks.

1035
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:51,000
We know that suing speaking
people who are on the planes

1036
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:58,560
came from Meso and South America
when the Bureau of Ethnography

1037
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:03,600
was founded in the late 1800s.
We have maps from them that show

1038
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:07,200
Sioux and speaking people in
Mississippi, the Biloxi, the

1039
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,160
Tutulo, the Offalo.
And we have Sioux and speaking

1040
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:20,200
people in the Carolinas, The
Catawba drawn a blank on one one

1041
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,320
now.
OK, so this has been around

1042
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,680
guys.
We we know that these suing

1043
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:29,320
people, these people aren't
static.

1044
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,480
They had to move around and they
were constantly following these

1045
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:37,120
Buffalo hides, our hides Buffalo
herds.

1046
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:41,160
But when they talk about all
being one at one time, the cover

1047
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:47,000
up Jeff and Jeremy it it's it's
in the written record from

1048
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:49,680
native people and and you guys,
have you guys ever heard of

1049
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,120
Black Elk, the Lakota holy man?
No.

1050
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,840
OK, as as a young boy, he's at
the Little Bighorn.

1051
01:07:55,840 --> 01:08:00,520
As a 13 year old he participated
in the defeating the Reno

1052
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:03,320
Battalion.
He was in the ceremonies to heal

1053
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,560
the wounded warriors and horses
the the day before the battle

1054
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,840
and he became kind of a well
known historian.

1055
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:15,560
John Neihart, who was tied into
the University of Missouri in

1056
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:19,080
Columbia, interviewed him in the
30s and there's a famous book

1057
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:24,479
called Black Elk Speaks.
Neihart's daughter took copious

1058
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:28,240
notes and this information set
until the early 80s when it came

1059
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,319
out in a book called The 6th
Grandfather.

1060
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,920
The grandfathers and the
grandmothers are the ancient,

1061
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:42,279
ancient star people, spirits
that many, many native people

1062
01:08:42,279 --> 01:08:43,960
talk about.
And we, we'll just leave it

1063
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:47,120
there for now.
But in this book, Blackout talks

1064
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:50,080
specifically about when all were
one at one time on this

1065
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:53,399
continent.
OK, OK, big deal.

1066
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,120
However, he goes on to talk
about where they separated and

1067
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,840
they separated again in the
southeast of this continent or,

1068
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:03,040
excuse me, of this country.
And then he goes on to talk

1069
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,880
about which way they go and in
those directions.

1070
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,000
Which tribes broke off from
where?

1071
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:14,640
I mean, what more do you need?
He's telling you that just

1072
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:18,120
because you're an Algonkin
speaker at one time doesn't mean

1073
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:21,479
you weren't running with suing
people or deny people or I can

1074
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:26,520
go on and on and on.
OK, So there's a gamut of this

1075
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:30,640
history.
It's it's so there, it's

1076
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,240
completely gossed over.
And that's my one beef with

1077
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,840
these guys nowadays that are
bringing all this information

1078
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:37,880
out.
They continuously are not

1079
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:41,560
engaging with the Native
American people who are setting

1080
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:46,479
ready to engage in a proper
platform with them being at the

1081
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:52,840
table and treated as equals
about what went on here, about

1082
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:56,000
what still goes on here and how
they might be interact with it,

1083
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:57,760
but they're completely pushed
aside.

1084
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:03,520
They'd rather be talking about,
you know, Lou Elizondo and him

1085
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:06,400
putting out a bad photograph.
Well, the guy made a mistake,

1086
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,600
maybe.
OK, I mean, we can go.

1087
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,680
We can go on and on about these
guys.

1088
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,760
We're going to focus on all this
other stuff when these people

1089
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,040
are sitting here ready to get to
the table and visit.

1090
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,200
But they will not, they won't
engage with them.

1091
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:23,120
But you got to remember, the
Native American people have a

1092
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,560
lot of reason to be concerned
about engaging with this

1093
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:28,640
wonderful country of ours, as
well as the Canadian government

1094
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,440
who haven't exactly treated them
real warm and fuzzy, right?

1095
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,520
Yeah.
Skeeter's asking in the chat

1096
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:41,040
were the Zuni known as the Star
People.

1097
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:47,240
I've never I've never heard that
but but to to Skeeter.

1098
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:50,640
I haven't spent a great deal of
time in the Southwest, but what

1099
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:56,920
I can tell you unequivocally is
there is history of these people

1100
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,280
coming from Mesoamerica and
South America.

1101
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:10,200
Some of the Zunis possible
kinsmen were told to me to

1102
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:13,480
actually every year, every 50
years, they were coming to North

1103
01:11:13,480 --> 01:11:15,320
America.
And then the North American

1104
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,440
people would go down there in
some shape or form.

1105
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,600
And the Zuni people are their
ancestors and they were their

1106
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:25,920
descendants would go all the way
to even Wisconsin.

1107
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:31,640
Let that sink in, OK, Now people
would say, well, what's the big

1108
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:33,160
deal about them going to
Wisconsin?

1109
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:37,920
Well, the big deal was that's
quite a journey without a

1110
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:42,640
compass, without a stack phone,
without a map.

1111
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:51,080
OK, Second of all, when they're
there, I'm told that they built

1112
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:56,920
homes underground, like bunkers
to stay warm.

1113
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:03,280
I mean, are you kidding me?
That to be that intelligent, to

1114
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:07,080
be that, those abilities to do
that.

1115
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:13,600
I mean, look, if you go straight
east of Madison, WI, right, the

1116
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,440
proverbial, they call it mad
town, right?

1117
01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:18,960
The state capital, University of
Wisconsin, there's a place

1118
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:24,680
called Astalon AZTALAN.
Well, there's an Astelon in

1119
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:29,040
Mexico, remember?
Now, what's the chances of that

1120
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:34,040
being just a mere coincidence?
And you know what they did in

1121
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:41,760
Astelon in Wisconsin, they had
meetings to talk about what you

1122
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:45,120
guys and I are talking about to
how to preserve their oral

1123
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:50,480
history and where it came from.
That's what I was specifically

1124
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:54,440
have been told that centuries
ago they were when they were

1125
01:12:54,440 --> 01:12:59,480
meeting at Ashtalon in
Wisconsin, how they were going

1126
01:12:59,480 --> 01:13:02,680
to save their oral history
because there was a group of

1127
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:05,760
people coming from the east, the
white man that was going to come

1128
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:09,240
and disrupt their world.
So, I mean, you know, there's

1129
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:16,000
too many damn coincidences.
So the star people thing is

1130
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:20,600
super interesting, but you also
said something earlier, the

1131
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:24,320
Grays, and if I'm not mistaken,
I think you mentioned that they

1132
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:27,600
were, they were already here.
So that's what.

1133
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,960
I'm told yes, explicitly they
were indigenous.

1134
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:38,000
They were indigenous to either
this planet or they or

1135
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:42,920
indigenous to, excuse me, North
America, or they possibly could

1136
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,440
have been brought here by star
people.

1137
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:49,640
But at least older than older
than all the known or you know

1138
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,520
what's accepted as known tribes.
Yes, we're talking going.

1139
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,240
OK, OK.
Absolutely, partner.

1140
01:13:54,480 --> 01:14:01,720
So question for you before I,
before I wrap up the, the other

1141
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:05,440
stuff I wanted to get to so we
can get back to other things.

1142
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:14,560
Do you is there from the the the
point of view of the natives and

1143
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:18,360
what they've told you, if you
can touch on it, is there any

1144
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:23,480
tie between the Grays and what,
what we would consider UFOs?

1145
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:31,560
To me would be simply that these
Grays were here.

1146
01:14:32,440 --> 01:14:34,920
They were no good.
They were having constant

1147
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:38,560
conflict with them.
But something happened where

1148
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:41,560
these Grays were infused by a
race of star people.

1149
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:44,120
Now, does that mean that those
star people put them here?

1150
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,600
I don't know.
But they were infused by this

1151
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:51,720
race of star people that were
constantly meddling with Earth.

1152
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:56,040
Lots of different star people,
I'm told, were meddling with

1153
01:14:56,080 --> 01:15:01,840
Earth, manipulating the native
people, doing bad things, taking

1154
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:04,360
them.
They talk about that, but for

1155
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:07,200
whatever reason they took these
Grays and made them their

1156
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:11,440
minions, so to speak, OK to do
their dirty work and they

1157
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:17,040
infused them with some type of
powers or or better abilities.

1158
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:20,800
So yes, to answer your question,
yes they do.

1159
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:23,360
They talk.
About that, that the

1160
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:28,440
cohesiveness with that and like
the lore behind the Grays that

1161
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:32,440
that's, you know, kind of Canon
right now is is very

1162
01:15:32,440 --> 01:15:36,240
interesting.
So just to kind of fill in some

1163
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:40,240
others, you know, that that just
may not be aware, the Gray

1164
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:44,320
aliens are the, are the aliens
that you hear about like this is

1165
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:47,920
your Hollywood alien.
But they, they, they got their,

1166
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:52,000
their start really with the
Barney and Betty Hill.

1167
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,680
Well, at least with modern
times, right?

1168
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:57,280
With modern times, they got the,
their start with the, the Barney

1169
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,920
and Betty Hill abduction case of
New Hampshire.

1170
01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:04,000
This would be the kick off to
that.

1171
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:08,680
Then shortly after you had the
Whitley Strieber communion event

1172
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:13,440
and then after that you really
had a whole plethora of

1173
01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:17,640
different things.
You had fire in the sky came out

1174
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:26,840
just everything, anything signs.
There's a ton of movies, but

1175
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:32,680
basically they they, we have
been led to believe, especially

1176
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:36,560
through the Betty and Barney
Hill story, that these things

1177
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,720
are from the star system, Zeta
Reticuli.

1178
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:46,160
So they have been termed or
called the Zeta Reticulans to

1179
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:50,640
give the the idea that they are
from outer space.

1180
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:55,040
They are extraterrestrials and
there are, there's plenty of

1181
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:58,840
evidence to to show that they're
not, they're actually from

1182
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:05,320
somewhere here on this Earth.
Lance and I were talking the

1183
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:11,120
other night and if anybody is
familiar, there's a, there's a,

1184
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:15,720
there's a legend in West
Virginia or anywhere really

1185
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:19,360
along the Appalachians of the
Moon eye people.

1186
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:23,200
And if you're familiar with the
moon eyed people, then then you

1187
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:28,240
would know that they resemble
what a, a standard Gray would

1188
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:31,680
look like very closely.
Then you have things such as the

1189
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:37,240
melon heads and the, the one off
example of the Dover demon,

1190
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:42,000
which is a very other close
example of what a Gray would

1191
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,040
look like.
There's plenty of examples

1192
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:50,880
around the world, especially
here in North America of Gray

1193
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:56,240
looking like legends or
cryptozoological, mythological

1194
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,680
creatures in our minds, right?
Doesn't mean that they don't

1195
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:01,080
exist.
We just don't have proof that

1196
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:03,160
they do.
But there's plenty of stories

1197
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:04,520
about them.
They're here.

1198
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:07,200
We just don't have proof that
they exist.

1199
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:15,040
Now to tie in my question about
the UFOs, and I wanted to take a

1200
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:20,000
step back a little bit to your
remote viewer topic.

1201
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:24,000
Because when you were talking
about how this conversation was

1202
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,720
kind of going a little bit into
woo, you had made a comment

1203
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:31,240
about how one of their
paranormal aspects were or

1204
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,000
abilities was the power to
remote view.

1205
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:41,520
Now I had given the example of
ASAP as a as a modern example of

1206
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:45,960
how the US government was
dumping money into paranormal

1207
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:54,840
abilities or paranormal studies.
Now, way back prior to the most

1208
01:18:54,840 --> 01:19:00,000
famous example of the US
government dumping money into a

1209
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:03,720
paranormal study, which was
Project Stargate in the 70s and

1210
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:06,120
80s, right?
Which went, I believe, all the

1211
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:13,080
way up until 1992, which was
literally the the DIACIA and the

1212
01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:22,560
US Army using people with
parapsychological abilities to

1213
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:29,360
remote view and spy on our
adversaries in in a multitude of

1214
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:32,640
ways.
Before that there was a program

1215
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:37,880
that was conducted called
Project Aquarius, which was

1216
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:47,560
outlined in Howard Bloom's book
Out There in the 80s.

1217
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:57,120
Now he had somehow gained, he
had gained a source, two sources

1218
01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:59,800
inside of what was being called
the UFO Working Group.

1219
01:20:00,440 --> 01:20:06,760
It was a group of of people
within the Department of Defense

1220
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:22,880
and CIA combined effort that.
Came together and we're we're

1221
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:27,280
studying UFOs now the reason why
was because of this project

1222
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:30,920
Aquarius which was the preamble
to project stargate.

1223
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,720
The reason why Project Stargate
even got the go go ahead the

1224
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:39,560
green light to go was because
during the Project Aquarius

1225
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:48,240
trial runs, when they were
searching for Soviet Subs during

1226
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:51,920
the trial runs, there were
multiple times where when they

1227
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:58,080
were trying to find these Subs,
they found flying flying saucers

1228
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:02,800
or UFOs, unidentified objects in
the sky over the waters where

1229
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:08,320
the Subs were located.
And every single time that they

1230
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:12,640
had found them, they were over
nuclear powered submarines.

1231
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:19,440
So that, that's, that's why, you
know, I, I wanted to bring that

1232
01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:22,760
up because it all connects,
because you're talking about

1233
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:28,920
the, the star people, the, the
Grays, the, I wanted the, to tie

1234
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:30,600
in the UFOs.
I wanted to tie in the

1235
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:34,200
paranormal, the, the remote
viewership, the all of that.

1236
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,920
And I wanted to also prove that,
hey, for those of you that that

1237
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:41,840
suck on to the history books
and, and, and read all the

1238
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:45,120
disinformation that they, they
literally force feed you from

1239
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:48,640
grades K through 12.
You know, you need to understand

1240
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:52,360
that we have spent plenty of
money on studying this exact

1241
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:55,360
kind of stuff.
You know, you have to understand

1242
01:21:55,360 --> 01:22:01,040
that there has been a an active
effort to look into this like we

1243
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:04,640
have done this.
What's interesting too is if you

1244
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:06,880
just look at the timeline, I
mean, like the Battle of Bighorn

1245
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:10,920
was at 1876, right?
And then you have, they were,

1246
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:14,120
they were putting these projects
together, these remote viewing

1247
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:18,000
and these, all these types of
projects together in like the

1248
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:22,640
40s, bro.
So it was only, you know, 60

1249
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:26,760
years removed from when I would
argue.

1250
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,760
And I'm sure that the, the US
Army was probably collecting

1251
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:31,240
this information.
Like you said, the Intel

1252
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:34,000
agencies were around then, so
they were collecting this

1253
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:37,000
information all the way up to
Bighorn, right?

1254
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,360
They were figuring out like,
hey, like you said, these these

1255
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,480
native peoples, like they have
abilities, right?

1256
01:22:41,480 --> 01:22:44,600
And they were figuring out like
how they were in tune and all

1257
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:49,840
the things I was saying before.
And 76 was probably like just

1258
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,760
kind of like the the moment in
history, right?

1259
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,880
And his story that they were
kind of pinning it as like, hey,

1260
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:59,200
like this is a moment where the
shift starts to happen into this

1261
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:03,240
new, this new world where all
the holistic shit's going to go

1262
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,320
away and we're going to be in
this like synthetic world.

1263
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:10,920
You know, I, I asked chat or not
chat, JPT grok about the Battle

1264
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:13,040
of Bighorn, right?
And it gave me a little summary

1265
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:15,880
and I was like, is there any
numerology connections, right?

1266
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:17,920
Because I'm spooky like that.
And I want to know if there's

1267
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:21,200
any numerology connections.
So just to give you an idea

1268
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:25,440
here, the Battle of Bighorn,
June 25th through the 26th 1876,

1269
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:29,240
the date reduces to the #8 power
and conflict.

1270
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:33,440
That's interesting, right?
Custer's birthday yields 11,

1271
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:40,840
which is conflict, right?
And Sitting Bull, sitting Bulls

1272
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:44,880
rate reduces down to 4, which is
stability, right?

1273
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:49,280
And then 263 soldiers killed
reduces to 11 conflict.

1274
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:56,480
So to me, the people who wrote
the history chose these, these

1275
01:23:56,480 --> 01:23:59,640
dates and these numbers to
signify like this was the

1276
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:03,840
conflict, the conflict between
the Old world and the New World,

1277
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:07,920
right?
Yeah, I mean, look, look, let me

1278
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:09,520
let me give you 2 quick
examples.

1279
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:18,240
So anytime that a tribe of
people, native people moved out

1280
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:21,200
on the plains or anywhere on
this continent and you got to

1281
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:23,240
remember the the whole tribes
not together.

1282
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:29,560
They're in smaller units, Vans
and Tiosha pays seven families

1283
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:34,600
or something like that.
They had their warrior societies

1284
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:39,840
who guarded the the movements.
They had their medicinal people.

1285
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:44,640
It's a blanket statements, a
medicine man or a medicine woman

1286
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:50,640
or a holy person, but no war
party ever went out and no group

1287
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:57,000
moved without your holy person
going into the ceremony.

1288
01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:01,960
And then at the lead of this
caravan of people because they

1289
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:05,720
have those abilities to remote
view and to see where these

1290
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,400
people were going or to see what
their enemies were doing.

1291
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:15,000
That's written about so many
times from these warriors and

1292
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:20,720
their people, it's comical.
OK, number one, Jeremy, you were

1293
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:24,200
talking about the Grays and
Reticuli and all those things.

1294
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:28,560
You know, it could be they could
be from there and they could

1295
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:30,720
also have been here, brought
there by those people.

1296
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:32,040
It could be one in the same,
right?

1297
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:37,320
But remember that little
incident in 1947 in southeast

1298
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,320
New Mexico called Roswell,
right?

1299
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:46,360
OK, now if a person's new to
this, you can dig into Roswell

1300
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:51,720
and there's a plethora of
literature to read, you can go

1301
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:54,800
down the proverbial rabbit hole.
You guys know this, OK?

1302
01:25:56,480 --> 01:26:00,640
Don Schmidt, Stanton Friedman,
Don Carey and Kevin Randall have

1303
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:03,520
done a tremendous job of tying
this together for us.

1304
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:08,200
OK, just get that last book.
Hold on for a second.

1305
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:21,400
Let me show you.
Jeremy's got a list of authors

1306
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:22,560
written down.
I watched him do it.

1307
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:28,880
Witness to witness to Roswell.
Oh, Jeremy's got the same book.

1308
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:35,440
Here we go, Helen.
Terry Von Schmidt, 222 guys who

1309
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:39,280
spent their life and Kevin
Randall spent their life doing

1310
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:43,280
this guys.
They, they found so many people

1311
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:48,960
who were there that had taken
the oath to this country, plus

1312
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:52,640
their hearts, and they took this
stuff to the grave or they told

1313
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:56,360
family members.
But Don Schmidt and Don and Tom

1314
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:59,240
Carey caught these people before
they made their journeys.

1315
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:03,960
And if you don't think something
went down out there and these

1316
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:08,800
guys who are the MPs or the
pilots who flew these bodies

1317
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:16,160
back East, then you're just not.
We're living in a in, in, in the

1318
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:18,040
real world, I guess, very
simple.

1319
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:20,240
And not to attack anybody here,
OK.

1320
01:27:20,440 --> 01:27:24,640
But they've interviewed over 100
people who were there.

1321
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:28,080
OK?
They went on the record and

1322
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:31,160
talked about what they knew.
Now, why is that significant?

1323
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:37,120
It's significant because the
people who were there, the five

1324
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:40,440
O ninth, were the people who
dropped the atomic bomb on

1325
01:27:40,440 --> 01:27:43,080
Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
OK, Yeah.

1326
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:44,160
They.
Were.

1327
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:50,080
Number two, number two, there
was no there was no damn air

1328
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:53,160
balloon, weather balloon.
You don't think the intelligence

1329
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:57,560
officer of the five O 9th who
was a decorated pilot himself

1330
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:01,640
knows the difference between a
damn mogul weather balloon and

1331
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:03,520
something from maybe from
another world?

1332
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:07,480
I mean, you know.
Project Mogul is bullshit

1333
01:28:07,480 --> 01:28:09,200
anyways, yeah.
Exactly.

1334
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:12,960
But people aren't.
People don't want to deal in the

1335
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:14,960
reality of the situation that
we're talking.

1336
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:16,680
And that's fine.
Yeah, OK.

1337
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:20,880
But but the bottom line is this
stuff did happen.

1338
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:25,480
The native people are tied into
it every time you turn around

1339
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:29,960
and when you talk about who's
here and who's not here, we'll

1340
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:32,800
probably never get to the bottom
and all it because of

1341
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,360
generational memory,
generational trauma.

1342
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:40,360
A lot of this information went
underground and I'm not telling

1343
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:43,280
you guys I I'm anything special.
I'm not telling you anything.

1344
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:47,400
I'm sure in the hell not
attacking any ethnographers way

1345
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:50,640
back in the day, but we know
that some of the stuff that was

1346
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:55,040
told to them now was not true.
You know, I mean, the, the stuff

1347
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:59,520
was taken to the the ground and
gone underground, but there's a

1348
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:02,680
plethora of evidence out there
guys still to be uncovered.

1349
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:07,080
And it just takes time and
getting out there pretty simple.

1350
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:12,160
But again, you have to have an
open mind to it and you have to

1351
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:16,840
do some homework that these
people know their history.

1352
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:23,760
But again, they're not talk to.
Yeah, I, I have.

1353
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:28,760
I also have Witness to Roswell,
which is a great book, which I

1354
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:33,160
agree is by far the the better
of the three books that I have.

1355
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:36,880
But I also have The Day after
Roswell by Colonel Philip J

1356
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:41,320
Corso and the Roswell Legacy by
none other than Jesse Marcel,

1357
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:48,920
which is which is, you know,
this is it's got a forward by

1358
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:57,360
Stanton Friedman.
Marcel is the, the guy, I mean,

1359
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:03,240
he's, he's one of the, the, the
big players in, in, in the whole

1360
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:05,080
story.
And I'm not going to get too far

1361
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:09,920
into it because we're going to
eventually talk about that more

1362
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:14,480
in length.
But I just want to, I want to

1363
01:30:14,480 --> 01:30:17,000
point out something very
interesting about the whole

1364
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:21,560
Roswell thing that goes beyond
I, I, I don't think there's any

1365
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:23,800
question about it.
There, there, there was a

1366
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:27,760
massive cover up to, to, to
Roswell.

1367
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:32,600
And it happened instantly.
I mean, the their very first

1368
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:35,520
press conference where they had
announced that it, that a flying

1369
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:40,640
saucer had fallen was quickly
covered up that same evening.

1370
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:45,560
And then the very next morning
there was a follow up press

1371
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:47,840
conference where they said, oh,
no, it was just a weather

1372
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:50,880
balloon.
But they they literally pushed

1373
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:58,400
out paperwork and official
announcements replacing the term

1374
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:03,200
flying saucer with high altitude
weather balloon and project.

1375
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:07,120
You know it just bullshit,
absolute bullshit.

1376
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:11,800
They they flew what's his face
up from from North Texas to come

1377
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:15,760
and direct the entire thing.
Not going to get into all that,

1378
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:18,960
but one thing that was very,
very interesting that I thought

1379
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:20,920
was a very interesting take on
it.

1380
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:23,840
And the more I look into it, the
more I found evidence that it

1381
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:27,880
very well could have been true
that we were doing atomic bomb

1382
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:34,120
testing in the in the general
area where it looked like we may

1383
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:40,880
have had some, some UF OS that
may have been a little too

1384
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:44,280
interested in what we were doing
and may have been caught up in

1385
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:48,920
an EMP.
And that's how how we had gotten

1386
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:51,040
crashed.
It may not have been something

1387
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:56,280
that was mechanical or like a, a
mechanical failure on their part

1388
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:58,360
and may have been something
where they got a little too

1389
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:00,560
curious and they couldn't have
helped it.

1390
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:09,080
But yeah, it it absolutely,
absolutely incredible story.

1391
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:15,360
Even when you don't look at just
just the just the cover up side

1392
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:17,560
of things.
Don't don't even look at it as

1393
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:19,920
if there was a cover up because
I don't think there's any

1394
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:22,240
question whatsoever.
Absolutely.

1395
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:22,960
It was a cover.
Up.

1396
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:25,880
Yeah, we can speculate all day
of what exactly they were

1397
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:27,320
covering.
Up like Lance is saying, I'll

1398
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:29,240
never.
We'll never really know, right?

1399
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:30,960
I I don't even think you need
to.

1400
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:36,720
I don't even think there there
were non human biological bodies

1401
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,640
taken away and and they were
split up into two different

1402
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:43,280
places, right?
One was Wright Patterson Air

1403
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:46,600
Force Base in Ohio.
And then there was 1 taken out

1404
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:50,200
West somewhere.
Don't know, still don't know

1405
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:52,160
where exactly out West they were
taken.

1406
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:54,280
We know one went to Wright
Patterson.

1407
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:57,760
We know that area 51 was the
cover place, right where they

1408
01:32:57,840 --> 01:32:59,680
were supposed to have taken
them.

1409
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:03,440
But it was just, you know, it,
it was a spooky place that

1410
01:33:03,440 --> 01:33:07,240
everyone nose is just spooky and
weird.

1411
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:10,400
But really it's just a test
flight facility and it's just

1412
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:12,840
you know it.
It's cute that it has all the

1413
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:16,800
little green men painted around
it, but it it really means

1414
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:20,080
nothing.
What I, I, you know, I think, I

1415
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:22,200
mean, I think all of this is
super interesting, obviously.

1416
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:27,800
But to me, when I think about
like these different, I'm going

1417
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:30,160
to call them factions, right?
These different factions, star

1418
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,600
people, right?
The greys that were here

1419
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:34,400
already, right?
The native people, our

1420
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:37,280
ancestors, right?
Like all these different people,

1421
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:42,880
you know, I almost find it more
interesting to think about.

1422
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:46,680
Like what was there a layer of
deception in there as well,

1423
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:48,720
right?
Are the star people actually

1424
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:53,400
people from the stars or is that
a deception that was put on, you

1425
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:55,960
know, the, the ancient people
that were here already too,

1426
01:33:56,440 --> 01:33:58,280
right?
Because, you know, I've, I don't

1427
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:01,520
know if this is 100% accurate,
but from my understanding, like

1428
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:05,760
I think the Hopi tribe talk
about emerging from the ground,

1429
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:09,560
right, with the help of the amp
people after the cataclysms,

1430
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:11,480
right?
And like that's their origin

1431
01:34:11,480 --> 01:34:12,720
story.
Or maybe maybe it's not the

1432
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:14,840
Hopi.
I might be mixing up tribes here

1433
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:18,160
or whatever, but the idea
basically that after the

1434
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:22,920
cataclysms, the beings that were
already here that live under us,

1435
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:25,560
you know, birthed humans from
the ground.

1436
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:28,120
And that's kind of the thing.
So I always wonder, like, you

1437
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:30,400
know, when I hear these star
people stories, like, is that a

1438
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:33,520
deception, right?
Was, was there some foul play

1439
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:36,560
happening back then, even to
make our ancestors believe that

1440
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:40,040
there were entities coming from
the sky, these godly creatures,

1441
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:45,120
but they were actually just, you
know, same shit that's happening

1442
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:46,320
now, I guess, if that makes
sense.

1443
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:49,720
Lance and I were talking about
this on on the phone call we

1444
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:53,080
were talking about down in
Mesoamerica, you know, and and

1445
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:56,760
in the ancient times drawn a
blank.

1446
01:34:56,760 --> 01:35:05,400
Now, I I had it that night.
But Jeff, you know, I'm talking

1447
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:11,640
about the the the leader who was
supposedly have come from the

1448
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:13,440
sky.
And then there was the.

1449
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:16,760
Quasi Quoto.
Quasi quoto, yeah.

1450
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:20,520
Thank you.
You know, thanks man.

1451
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:24,360
Tomorrow, tomorrow.
But and then at the same time,

1452
01:35:24,360 --> 01:35:27,120
there was also that race of
being that that was coming up

1453
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:32,400
from the ground too, You know, I
mean, we were there's there's

1454
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:36,360
plenty of history that says
there that there was all kinds

1455
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:40,120
of of things going on from from
above and below.

1456
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:46,120
And then you'd look at the same
architecture in, in Mesoamerica,

1457
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:51,400
you know, the far, far eastern
China or in, in Asia.

1458
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:56,520
And then you have Egyptian
pyramids and, and other remote

1459
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:59,280
locations around the world where
they, they share these

1460
01:35:59,960 --> 01:36:06,520
architectures that are so
similar, but distant, like very,

1461
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:09,960
very vastly distant.
And the only way that they can

1462
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:14,280
ever be connected is whether is
if they had technology similar

1463
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:20,480
to what we have or better back
then or, or if there was just

1464
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:26,720
simply a civilization
underground that had ways to

1465
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:30,760
surface and simply just built
using their architecture where

1466
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:33,840
they had these openings to
surface.

1467
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:35,400
Right.
If the inner Earth people, I

1468
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:37,200
just call it that.
If the inner Earth people or the

1469
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:39,400
ancient ones, right?
Like if they have the ability to

1470
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:42,880
fly around, if they've got UA PS
or UFOs or whatever the hell you

1471
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:45,240
want to call them, they've got
this, this technology.

1472
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:50,200
I mean, like, it's not hard for
them to to trick the surface

1473
01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:53,160
people, right?
The native cultures that are

1474
01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:55,520
here on the earth, on the
surface of the Earth into

1475
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:58,360
thinking that they're coming
from space, right?

1476
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:00,680
That's kind of where I where I
get stuck.

1477
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:02,120
You know, I'm the space's fake
guy.

1478
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:04,000
Lance, I don't know if Jeremy
warned you on this.

1479
01:37:04,480 --> 01:37:06,600
I don't necessarily believe in
space.

1480
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:08,880
So that's kind of where my hold
up is.

1481
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:12,200
I'm like, OK, well, these beings
probably all originate from

1482
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:14,600
here.
Just.

1483
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:17,960
I don't, I don't know, I think
this, this gets really

1484
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:20,960
interesting man, because then
you even have like the the

1485
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:26,400
Admiral Byrd story where he, he,
he goes down The Sims hole in

1486
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:29,040
South America.
You know, he flies in there and

1487
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:34,320
he and he comes across flying
saucers and these, this, this,

1488
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:41,640
this strange race of being down
there with vastly superior

1489
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:46,240
technologies that speak
something close to German.

1490
01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:53,840
They have, they have flying
saucer craft that they call,

1491
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:55,360
what do they call them?
They call them.

1492
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:00,840
I can't think of what they call
them.

1493
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:04,920
I'll, I'll look it up here in a
second, but not, not to hold us

1494
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:09,520
up, but I mean a lot there.
There's a lot of concepts that

1495
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:13,280
we've covered in the past, Jeff,
that and, and, and Lance that

1496
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:16,040
seems to be connecting because
of some of the stuff that you're

1497
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:17,120
you're putting out there right
now.

1498
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:21,040
It's it's very interesting.
Well, I mean, look, you guys

1499
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:25,760
are, are, it's refreshing to
visit with you because we're

1500
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:29,840
just three guys talking.
And if we all could have these

1501
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:32,360
conversations like that and
bring something to the table

1502
01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:34,120
with our all different
researchers, we could get

1503
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:38,680
someplace OK and, and, and treat
each other like human beings and

1504
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:42,880
try to take from it.
And, and, you know, if I get

1505
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:45,000
something wrong, some bring it
to my attention.

1506
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:48,560
If you find something that
contradicts it, you know, But

1507
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:51,800
let me bring three things to
your attention real quick here.

1508
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:59,560
We know with, I believe, a
degree of certainty.

1509
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:05,320
There's been many, many more.
We'll just call them UFO crashes

1510
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:10,640
in the Western Hemisphere.
Yeah, we'll just stay in the

1511
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:12,960
United States, for instance,
then.

1512
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:14,680
Anybody has any idea?
OK.

1513
01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:25,920
And there's a well known former
military man who's been talking

1514
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:27,520
about this for a number of
years.

1515
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:30,880
And people can believe him or
they can't, I don't know.

1516
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:36,520
It doesn't matter.
But I followed his trail and I

1517
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:38,560
followed it through Native
American people.

1518
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:41,760
And I'm telling you guys, and
I'm not going to drop his name

1519
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:44,960
here, but I, I'll see if he can
maybe come on your show.

1520
01:39:45,480 --> 01:39:46,880
He's pretty open to these
things.

1521
01:39:48,480 --> 01:39:52,360
I've, I've followed his trail on
a lot of times about where he

1522
01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:54,520
said something went down on
different platforms.

1523
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:00,400
It's never failed that Native
American people have history to

1524
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:03,400
these areas and they talk about
the same things.

1525
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:06,280
And I've shared that with him
because he's been nice enough to

1526
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:09,400
share stuff with me quietly.
I don't go around dropping his

1527
01:40:09,400 --> 01:40:11,520
name.
He doesn't drop my name, and

1528
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:13,680
he's just a good human being.
Despite what a lot of people

1529
01:40:13,680 --> 01:40:18,080
say, I don't care.
So, so #1 so keep that in

1530
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:19,280
perspective.
Yep.

1531
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:25,840
Let's go back to real quick to
star people and, and some of the

1532
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:29,400
Jeff stuff about underground.
Look, many of these Native

1533
01:40:29,400 --> 01:40:32,200
American people talk about going
underground to survive these

1534
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:36,800
cataclysmic events.
The Hopi are #1 the Lakota

1535
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:40,400
people talk about coming up from
the ground around the Black

1536
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:43,520
Hills again.
Is that to survive a cataclysmic

1537
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:45,080
event?
Yeah, they say it is.

1538
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:49,360
OK.
There's subalterranean caverns

1539
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:53,880
that run so deep and thorough
through this, through the United

1540
01:40:53,880 --> 01:40:57,960
States that it's mind blowing.
And if you want to get into the

1541
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:02,400
weeds of this and you can find
Native American people who will

1542
01:41:02,400 --> 01:41:05,040
visit, it'll even blow your
mind.

1543
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:07,760
I'm not going to.
I can't get into all that out of

1544
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:09,440
respect for them.
And that should come from them

1545
01:41:09,440 --> 01:41:11,640
to tell you about it.
But these places are all

1546
01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:13,160
connected through the
underground.

1547
01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:17,880
OK, now here's where this even
is more fascinating to me.

1548
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:22,200
On this journey, I was told
explicitly by Native American

1549
01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:27,120
elders that that oral history
talked about four, four-star

1550
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:29,960
people put here to help us on
our journey.

1551
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:36,680
Number one was Jesus Christ, but
the the people who put him here,

1552
01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:41,800
the star people can never
understand how how we killed

1553
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:45,160
him.
OK, why they why we would do

1554
01:41:45,160 --> 01:41:48,200
that?
The other was was Buddha.

1555
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:52,640
And there's a tremendous amount
of documentation and literature

1556
01:41:53,080 --> 01:41:57,160
of some very, very strange going
ONS and, and research done in

1557
01:41:57,160 --> 01:41:59,120
Tibet.
Hell, the Nazis were over there

1558
01:41:59,120 --> 01:42:04,400
sniffing around.
OK, so so so we got Buddha,

1559
01:42:05,440 --> 01:42:08,800
Jesus Christ.
I believe the other one was

1560
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:14,360
Muhammad.
The 4th 1 was a Native American

1561
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:18,360
entity who's known as The White
Buffalo Calf Woman.

1562
01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:24,880
OK, you can Google her and you
can go down the rabbit hole all

1563
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:25,640
you want.
We can.

1564
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:27,640
We could have another show on
that all we want.

1565
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:30,120
Yeah, we could.
The reason I'm bringing that up

1566
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:37,040
to you guys is Bob Lazar talked
about some of this stuff with

1567
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:40,400
John the Great, the late great,
John Lear, the conspiracy

1568
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:43,120
godfather.
OK, Art Bell, we can go down the

1569
01:42:43,120 --> 01:42:46,480
rabbit hole.
The point being is Lazar wasn't

1570
01:42:46,480 --> 01:42:49,400
sure what he saw on some of
these briefings.

1571
01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:55,440
OK, but they, but there's some
there's some talk that loosely

1572
01:42:55,440 --> 01:42:58,240
out there amongst some of these
people has been doing this for a

1573
01:42:58,240 --> 01:43:02,640
long time, that there was a
briefing that Lazar saw or

1574
01:43:02,640 --> 01:43:04,400
somebody else saw.
And I'm getting it mixed up.

1575
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:12,120
That said these aliens had told
them they that they they lost

1576
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:14,520
one of those four-star people
they put here.

1577
01:43:16,480 --> 01:43:19,240
Well, that would be The White
Buffalo Calf Woman, OK.

1578
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:22,560
And there's a tremendous amount
of literature about her.

1579
01:43:22,840 --> 01:43:25,800
And we have been on that trail
for a number of years, myself

1580
01:43:25,800 --> 01:43:30,360
and a group of elders trying to
understand where she fits into

1581
01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:32,120
this.
And I can tell you unequivocally

1582
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:37,600
that she is not just a Lakota
assuming speaking people's

1583
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:40,400
deity.
She's a deity to Algonquin

1584
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:43,560
people as well, so forth and so
forth.

1585
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:46,520
So let's let's let's sink in,
OK.

1586
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:51,880
And the reason I'm I'm talking
about that all that is that ties

1587
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:59,360
into a certain place here in the
United States, OK, That not only

1588
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:02,320
did the star people come and
have these interactions with the

1589
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:07,520
Native people, they gave them
infusions of what you might call

1590
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:10,800
spirituality, but plus other
powers.

1591
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:14,360
And this isn't coming from me.
This is coming from Native

1592
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:16,520
American people.
I can take you to the point that

1593
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:19,600
I'm taking you and I'm taking
this out there for the listeners

1594
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:23,200
to pay attention because this
group of elders is working hard

1595
01:44:23,200 --> 01:44:25,160
to preserve this.
And the reason I'm telling you

1596
01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:29,480
this is, is we've been talking
about this civil war between the

1597
01:44:29,480 --> 01:44:33,120
North and the South, right?
Between these people from North

1598
01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:35,560
America versus Mesoamerica and
South America.

1599
01:44:36,440 --> 01:44:40,000
Well, guess where the truce was
called between these northern

1600
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:44,360
and Southerners?
At a little place here in North

1601
01:44:44,360 --> 01:44:48,840
America where The White Buffalo
Calf Woman is said to have been

1602
01:44:49,120 --> 01:44:53,320
and came to the people.
So let that sink in.

1603
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:58,160
We're talking about all of these
different events having a point

1604
01:44:58,160 --> 01:45:04,200
that coincides right here in
North America that, oh, by the

1605
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:07,120
way, coincides with the Star
people.

1606
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:09,880
Too many.
Too many coincidences, fellas.

1607
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:11,960
Too many coincidences.
This is interesting.

1608
01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:13,160
I actually never heard of this
before.

1609
01:45:13,160 --> 01:45:16,760
The White Buffalo Calf Woman.
Yeah, I never heard of this

1610
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:19,680
before.
Which is I don't even know how

1611
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:22,080
I've never heard of this before.
Like this is insane to me

1612
01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:23,680
because.
Well, you don't know.

1613
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:25,320
You don't know.
Yeah, You know, I mean, it's,

1614
01:45:25,480 --> 01:45:27,440
it's a don't beat yourself up,
man.

1615
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:30,200
You know there's a.
I'm reading like a brief summary

1616
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:31,360
of it.
I'm like dude, this is like

1617
01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:33,760
right line.
Beat yourself up, Jeff.

1618
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:36,200
Seriously.
But but don't let yourself get

1619
01:45:36,200 --> 01:45:38,720
tied into that.
She's only tied down to one

1620
01:45:38,720 --> 01:45:41,080
group of native people.
That's just simply not true.

1621
01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:43,160
That's a misnomer.
Listen again.

1622
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:46,280
That's the controlled narrative
A. 100% Listen, I got to be

1623
01:45:46,280 --> 01:45:47,000
honest, man.
I'm gonna.

1624
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:49,880
I'm gonna toot the horn of Grok
a little bit, man, because I've

1625
01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:52,000
been using Grok a lot lately,
dude.

1626
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:59,040
And it says it right here, known
primarily as Lakota, but from

1627
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:01,560
several plain error, I'm going
to go back to the actual quotes.

1628
01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:05,400
But yeah, it does say that
sacred symbol in Lakota and

1629
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:10,440
other plain Indian traditions.
So, you know, there is something

1630
01:46:10,440 --> 01:46:12,080
happening with the information,
the narrative.

1631
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:14,040
I think things are going to
start coming out more.

1632
01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:15,520
This is just like a sign of
that.

1633
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:19,000
I think the information age, the
new turning that we're getting

1634
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:21,360
into, I think that a lot more
truths are going to come out.

1635
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:25,920
Yeah, Jeff, she was also called,
she was called Corn Woman by the

1636
01:46:25,960 --> 01:46:28,200
Algonkins.
Corn Woman.

1637
01:46:28,720 --> 01:46:33,440
OK, so this, this, this thing
goes back so far, dude, about

1638
01:46:33,440 --> 01:46:36,600
certain landmarks where these
people were rotating back to.

1639
01:46:37,480 --> 01:46:40,000
And you got to say, well, common
sense will say, well, how did

1640
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:43,000
these people who are Algonkins
who are supposed to be migrating

1641
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:46,040
from the East Coast to the to
the West Coast, how do they know

1642
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:48,960
about these places?
Well, it's pretty simple.

1643
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:52,440
They actually went West to east
and back West, you know, So

1644
01:46:52,440 --> 01:46:56,400
they, so they went across these
places, had encounters with

1645
01:46:56,440 --> 01:46:59,600
people from another world.
And they also had an encounter

1646
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:04,680
with some type of phenomena that
is and has always been here on

1647
01:47:04,680 --> 01:47:07,920
this continent that the native
people have lived with, not in

1648
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:09,760
harmony.
Because whatever this phenomena

1649
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:13,880
is, it's not always nice.
It's not, you know, it's not

1650
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:15,600
benevolent.
It's not benevolent.

1651
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:19,880
It's just there, OK.
And whatever this life force is,

1652
01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:21,720
it's not something to be messed
with.

1653
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:29,360
However people want to interpret
that, you know, take it in or

1654
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:31,560
let it fly, you know, it doesn't
matter to me.

1655
01:47:32,360 --> 01:47:39,520
It it's it doesn't matter to me.
Yeah, that's super interesting

1656
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:42,840
stuff, man.
We listen, Lance, I definitely

1657
01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:46,920
want to have more conversations
with you because, you know, I

1658
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:49,160
feel like you and I could
probably go for hours and hours

1659
01:47:49,160 --> 01:47:51,600
and a lot of this stuff.
So hopefully we can make that

1660
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:55,280
happen.
Yeah, man, we, we can, we can do

1661
01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:56,080
it.
But you know what?

1662
01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:59,040
I want to say thank you to you
guys, but I also want to say

1663
01:47:59,040 --> 01:48:01,040
thanks to the listeners for some
great questions.

1664
01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:03,760
Again, I don't want this to be
about my journey.

1665
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:07,600
This isn't this, this history.
I'm just the very the luckiest

1666
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:09,360
guy in the world for two
reasons, OK?

1667
01:48:10,760 --> 01:48:13,880
Number one, I've been interested
in this my whole life and I got

1668
01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:17,760
to chase this and I met so many
incredible people who helped me,

1669
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:21,560
OK, Or none of this would have
happened to these, the Lakotas,

1670
01:48:21,560 --> 01:48:25,720
Algonkins.
And, and number two, I'm very

1671
01:48:25,720 --> 01:48:31,920
lucky because you know, my, my,
my family was always very, very

1672
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:34,840
encouraging for me to go to the
library, get to the library,

1673
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:40,040
read, read, read.
My mom, my grandma, my wife has

1674
01:48:40,040 --> 01:48:41,800
been so supportive on this
journey.

1675
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:44,520
I / I overheard 10 years of
vacations, OK.

1676
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:47,400
And we're going to make it
happen, but I want to just throw

1677
01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:49,640
this out there.
I will do what I can for you

1678
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:54,680
guys to meet native people who
possibly will come on this show.

1679
01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:58,480
That's the least I can do.
You know, you guys need to hear

1680
01:48:58,480 --> 01:49:01,960
it from these people and it's
time that their voices are

1681
01:49:01,960 --> 01:49:03,240
heard.
And you know what?

1682
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:05,880
I can certainly come on with
them, but they don't need me to

1683
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:08,480
hold their hands, man.
They, they've been holding my

1684
01:49:08,480 --> 01:49:12,360
hand for a long time and
educating me and protecting me

1685
01:49:12,440 --> 01:49:15,680
and keeping my butt out of
making some mistakes.

1686
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:17,800
You know, we all make mistakes
on this journey.

1687
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:21,760
I've simply just tried to put
this out the best that they told

1688
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:24,520
me to and to give them thanks
for sharing on the Little

1689
01:49:24,520 --> 01:49:26,360
Bighorn.
They wanted some of this

1690
01:49:26,360 --> 01:49:30,360
information put out there and I
did not want to take away from

1691
01:49:30,360 --> 01:49:33,760
the Little Bighorn literature,
but they wanted stories told

1692
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:37,000
about not only who was really
there, but some of their

1693
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:39,160
abilities.
The story about calling on the

1694
01:49:39,160 --> 01:49:44,960
winged creatures.
We, we can go on and on.

1695
01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:49,320
OK, but this was no accident
that those people were

1696
01:49:49,320 --> 01:49:52,400
gathering.
They knew their time was running

1697
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:55,280
short and they had to worry
about getting these bundles out

1698
01:49:55,720 --> 01:50:00,240
for hopefully something coming
that they can possibly get back

1699
01:50:00,240 --> 01:50:03,880
to some type of a shape that
they are were as medicinal

1700
01:50:03,880 --> 01:50:07,880
people to lead us through these
trying times that are said to be

1701
01:50:07,880 --> 01:50:09,760
coming.
Is it 2027?

1702
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:11,680
Hell, I don't know.
Is it 20-30?

1703
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:14,760
I hope not, right?
I hope these things don't

1704
01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:18,120
happen.
Yeah, well, listen, man, the

1705
01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:21,160
information isn't dead, right?
I mean, like, look, you're here

1706
01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:24,080
talking about it.
The the elders and such, you

1707
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:25,680
know, the Native people, they're
telling you about it.

1708
01:50:25,680 --> 01:50:28,080
So the oral traditions are still
there, right?

1709
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:34,800
The information is still alive.
So if you get spooky enough like

1710
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:36,680
I do that that's a good sign,
right?

1711
01:50:36,680 --> 01:50:39,520
Like once the information is
gone and nobody's talking about

1712
01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:42,000
anymore that that's the end,
that's the apocalypse, right?

1713
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:43,640
But the information still
floating around there.

1714
01:50:43,640 --> 01:50:47,200
So, and you, you're saying it
now, however many thousand

1715
01:50:47,200 --> 01:50:50,560
people will listen to this and
like one person will pick it up,

1716
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:51,800
right?
And like that'll be there.

1717
01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:53,560
That's good.
Yeah.

1718
01:50:55,120 --> 01:51:01,560
All right, Lance, we are.
We will talk off the air.

1719
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:07,560
We never got into Atlantis and
Lamoria.

1720
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:10,200
I stopped you guys.
I'll take the hit for that one.

1721
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:19,200
We'll I'm going to try to
convince you to come back on so

1722
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:22,680
we can pick that up.
I have a little post it note sit

1723
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:26,000
right there for if I can get you
back on.

1724
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:30,320
We'll jump right back in at
Atlantis and Lamoria.

1725
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:34,920
I had a feeling Jeff was going
to love this one.

1726
01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:39,680
I also have a feeling that Jeff
might try to snipe you for his

1727
01:51:39,680 --> 01:51:46,000
show, but we'll see.
The only thing we.

1728
01:51:46,040 --> 01:51:48,560
Get to the.
We didn't even get to the but

1729
01:51:48,600 --> 01:51:51,760
I'm yeah, go ahead.
I know, man.

1730
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:54,400
I know, I know.
I, I knew this, this was going

1731
01:51:54,400 --> 01:51:57,280
to be a long, a long episode,
man.

1732
01:51:57,400 --> 01:51:58,840
And.
I don't feel conversations

1733
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:01,240
right.
Yeah, this was I, I know, I

1734
01:52:01,240 --> 01:52:04,200
know.
This was this was AI knew we

1735
01:52:04,200 --> 01:52:06,320
weren't going to be able to fit
it all in one episode.

1736
01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:11,280
But the only other thing that I
wanted to touch on today that we

1737
01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:16,360
didn't get a chance to touch on
was the the reptilians that you

1738
01:52:16,360 --> 01:52:20,160
had talked about and you had
made mention about how they

1739
01:52:20,160 --> 01:52:23,520
were, they may have been riding
them of the Missouri.

1740
01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:25,160
Is that what you said, the
Missouri River?

1741
01:52:27,080 --> 01:52:30,960
Yeah, real, real quick, Jeremy.
So the the story picks up with

1742
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:33,720
when all were one at one time
still on this continent.

1743
01:52:34,520 --> 01:52:40,320
And these it it starts with
stories about dinosaurs.

1744
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:45,840
Are the dinosaurs de evolving or
evolving to these reptilians?

1745
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:47,480
Are we talking about 1 and the
same?

1746
01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:50,880
But the stories talk about
fighting these dinosaurs,

1747
01:52:50,960 --> 01:52:57,320
fighting these reptilian like
creatures, driving them back

1748
01:52:57,320 --> 01:53:02,240
across the Missouri River, then
across the Mississippi River

1749
01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:05,880
into the American SE.
And if you notice all of these

1750
01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:09,640
stories from whether whoever
they are, they coincide in the

1751
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:13,080
American SE, right?
They finish down there.

1752
01:53:13,400 --> 01:53:16,800
Well, that's because that's
where these people from

1753
01:53:18,240 --> 01:53:20,560
Mesoamerica and South America
were coming in Florida and

1754
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:23,280
Georgia.
And oh, by the way, that's where

1755
01:53:23,320 --> 01:53:27,920
some of the Atlanteans are said
to have landed also with the

1756
01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:32,600
Mayan people in Guatemala.
So I mean, yeah.

1757
01:53:32,600 --> 01:53:37,480
So, so who are these reptilians?
I, I have no idea, but I, I, I

1758
01:53:37,480 --> 01:53:39,800
would, I'll throw a plug out
there real quick.

1759
01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:44,800
Get on Facebook or YouTube and,
and look for Terry L Carter.

1760
01:53:46,240 --> 01:53:50,080
Terry L Carter.
He's been doing research for a

1761
01:53:50,080 --> 01:53:52,400
long, long time.
He's a wonderful man.

1762
01:53:52,880 --> 01:53:54,920
He'll, he'll visit with you.
He'll give you his time.

1763
01:53:56,120 --> 01:53:57,720
You guys might want to get him
on the show.

1764
01:53:57,760 --> 01:54:02,360
He does his own podcast where he
interviewed all kinds of

1765
01:54:02,360 --> 01:54:05,800
treasure hunters and seekers out
in Utah and Arizona, New Mexico

1766
01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:09,120
and Nevada.
And he has talked a lot and

1767
01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:12,000
brought a lot of people on this
show that talk about running

1768
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:16,440
into reptilians, still running
around to those areas, OK.

1769
01:54:16,840 --> 01:54:19,200
And I don't want to drop any of
the guys names that are on his

1770
01:54:19,200 --> 01:54:21,480
show, but you can find them
yourselves and maybe you can get

1771
01:54:21,480 --> 01:54:24,360
those guys on there.
I visited with them as much as I

1772
01:54:24,360 --> 01:54:26,120
can.
Good guys off the record.

1773
01:54:26,440 --> 01:54:29,600
And Jeremy, I'm telling you and
Jeff, I'm telling you, these

1774
01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:35,200
cats believe that they are
running into these reptilian

1775
01:54:35,200 --> 01:54:38,600
people still to this day, OK?
I don't want.

1776
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:44,000
Any part of it because I, I
don't know what good could come

1777
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:50,360
about that, but that would take
some serious, serious boots on

1778
01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:52,640
the ground and whatever.
And if these things are still

1779
01:54:52,640 --> 01:54:54,400
running around, then where's our
government?

1780
01:54:55,720 --> 01:54:59,720
Where's our government man?
You know they are the government

1781
01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:02,240
man.
Well, I mean, it all ties in

1782
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:05,720
like you had made mention of
David Pilates earlier.

1783
01:55:06,360 --> 01:55:09,120
We've talked at length here
about the missing 411.

1784
01:55:09,120 --> 01:55:11,840
We've covered it in a series
that we call the National Park

1785
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:16,160
Mysteries.
And there we've we've gone at

1786
01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:20,000
length about theories about what
could potentially be going on

1787
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:24,160
there.
And there are a there, there's

1788
01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:28,080
just a ton of ideas behind what
could be potentially going.

1789
01:55:28,080 --> 01:55:33,000
One of which is that there is a
secret race of reptilian beings

1790
01:55:33,480 --> 01:55:38,560
that the the government created
these safe spaces or these these

1791
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:41,640
these dead zones.
Do not go too deep into these

1792
01:55:41,640 --> 01:55:44,400
dead zones, these National Park
systems to.

1793
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:47,160
And and that's the reason why
people are mysteriously

1794
01:55:47,160 --> 01:55:49,640
disappearing is because they are
going too far.

1795
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:57,640
And yeah, and.
Perhaps, man, perhaps, you know,

1796
01:55:57,640 --> 01:55:59,600
I would just argue that I'd, I'd
even say that.

1797
01:55:59,600 --> 01:56:01,960
Hey, man, like there's, they've
been here the whole time with

1798
01:56:01,960 --> 01:56:03,840
us, man.
And as we evolved into this new

1799
01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:06,440
society, so do they, right.
And they've infiltrated their

1800
01:56:06,440 --> 01:56:09,600
way into places of power because
they're smart beings.

1801
01:56:09,600 --> 01:56:11,520
I mean, they've been here all
along, right?

1802
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:14,520
Not they're not stupid.
They might be evil or whatever,

1803
01:56:14,520 --> 01:56:19,160
but they're, they're smart
enough to, to put themselves in

1804
01:56:19,160 --> 01:56:22,760
places that are, you know.
I don't hide.

1805
01:56:22,840 --> 01:56:24,760
Plain sight.
I don't have the research in

1806
01:56:24,760 --> 01:56:26,920
front of me right now.
It's something that I came

1807
01:56:26,920 --> 01:56:30,880
across a while back, but
somebody had done extensive

1808
01:56:30,880 --> 01:56:37,800
research on a specific species
of dinosaur and, and basically

1809
01:56:37,800 --> 01:56:42,120
said that if it hadn't come down
to the extinction event that the

1810
01:56:42,120 --> 01:56:47,200
specific species known as the
true Don would have or could

1811
01:56:47,200 --> 01:56:50,800
have because of the genetic
makeup and the brain power,

1812
01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:53,920
brain capacity, the neural
networks and everything of the

1813
01:56:53,920 --> 01:56:58,240
Trudon.
It would have or could have gone

1814
01:56:58,240 --> 01:57:03,360
down a similar evolutionary
pattern as the as humans did and

1815
01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:07,520
very well could have evolved
into something similar to what

1816
01:57:07,520 --> 01:57:14,760
we believe to be a reptilian.
So, so, so if anybody wants to

1817
01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:22,680
do research into that Trudon
TROODON is the is the species of

1818
01:57:23,160 --> 01:57:28,080
the dinosaur that that people
are some are believing that

1819
01:57:28,120 --> 01:57:32,600
could very well be behind the
reptilian phenomena.

1820
01:57:34,240 --> 01:57:36,560
That's an interesting path to go
down.

1821
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:39,880
I, I, I went down that before I
was actually supposed to do an

1822
01:57:39,880 --> 01:57:42,200
episode on it one time never
did.

1823
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:47,560
But I, before we handed off to
Lance for goodbyes and and

1824
01:57:47,560 --> 01:57:54,080
plugs, Lance, you had plugged a
couple books in the chat here

1825
01:57:54,600 --> 01:57:58,840
that never, never for some
reason, your, your chats never

1826
01:57:58,840 --> 01:58:06,760
made it over to, to Twitch.
So I just wanted to, I, I put

1827
01:58:06,760 --> 01:58:10,600
them in my Amazon cart.
So I just wanted to read them

1828
01:58:10,600 --> 01:58:14,160
off for everybody again.
We have The World We Used to

1829
01:58:14,160 --> 01:58:15,920
live in.
Remembering the Powers and the

1830
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:19,960
Medicine Men by Vine Deloria
Junior and Philip J Deloria.

1831
01:58:20,200 --> 01:58:25,080
Yep, right here.
We have The Wolves of Heaven,

1832
01:58:25,960 --> 01:58:29,400
Cheyenne, shamanism, ceremonies
and prehistoric origins.

1833
01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:32,560
Yep, Yep, Yep by Carl H
Schleiser.

1834
01:58:32,720 --> 01:58:38,240
And then we had Schlesler.
And Then He Walked the Americas

1835
01:58:38,320 --> 01:58:41,640
by Taylor Hanson.
Yeah, yeah.

1836
01:58:42,200 --> 01:58:46,920
That's that's a hell of a book.
She was a she was a trained

1837
01:58:46,960 --> 01:58:49,960
anthropologist from Stanford in
the 30s.

1838
01:58:50,480 --> 01:58:53,680
She was discriminated against
because of being a woman.

1839
01:58:54,040 --> 01:58:57,160
They tried to stick her into the
archives at San Jose State and

1840
01:58:57,160 --> 01:59:01,760
Stanford and she said shove it.
And she travelled the South and

1841
01:59:01,760 --> 01:59:05,880
Central America and she got on
the trail of much of the stuff

1842
01:59:05,880 --> 01:59:08,240
that you guys and I talked to
tonight.

1843
01:59:08,440 --> 01:59:10,320
She was on the trail of the
Lemurians.

1844
01:59:10,320 --> 01:59:12,240
She spent time in the South
Pacific.

1845
01:59:12,640 --> 01:59:15,000
She was on the trail of these
reptilians.

1846
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:17,600
And she talks about a lot of
this stuff.

1847
01:59:19,520 --> 01:59:21,760
Get that book.
You can get it on Amazon for 20

1848
01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:24,440
bucks.
And what I loved about her was

1849
01:59:24,440 --> 01:59:27,920
she was getting research that
she found when she was relegated

1850
01:59:27,920 --> 01:59:31,320
to an archivist.
She was doing her own research

1851
01:59:31,400 --> 01:59:35,080
for these, you know, guys like
Kroeber and the likes at Cal, at

1852
01:59:35,080 --> 01:59:37,320
Berkeley.
And she was in the Bancroft

1853
01:59:37,320 --> 01:59:40,320
Library going through
documentation from native people

1854
01:59:40,320 --> 01:59:44,920
from 1870 to 1877.
So they're telling her that

1855
01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:46,280
story, right?
Yeah.

1856
01:59:46,400 --> 01:59:48,120
I mean, you know, it goes on and
on.

1857
01:59:48,120 --> 01:59:52,520
This stuff has been around for
for so for so long.

1858
01:59:52,720 --> 01:59:55,760
But Jeremy and Jeff, let me give
you one plug for a book.

1859
01:59:57,160 --> 01:59:59,240
Now.
This this book will not.

1860
02:00:00,760 --> 02:00:02,800
Steer you wrong.
And it's called my grandfather's

1861
02:00:02,800 --> 02:00:06,000
altar.
Richard Moose camp.

1862
02:00:07,920 --> 02:00:12,840
OK, You can get it on Amazon if
you want to take Jeff.

1863
02:00:12,840 --> 02:00:14,120
This is right up your alley,
man.

1864
02:00:15,240 --> 02:00:18,080
You need to get this book.
And I'm telling the people out

1865
02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:27,680
there, this man was raised by a
family of people of medicinal

1866
02:00:27,680 --> 02:00:29,560
people.
And by the way, this guy's

1867
02:00:29,560 --> 02:00:32,560
great, great grandfather, his
name was Chips or Horn Chips.

1868
02:00:33,440 --> 02:00:35,120
I'm not going to pronounce his
Indian name.

1869
02:00:36,920 --> 02:00:38,840
His grandfather Chips or Horn
Chips.

1870
02:00:39,200 --> 02:00:41,320
Was that the was that the little
Bighorn?

1871
02:00:41,680 --> 02:00:45,080
And he was crazy horses dear
friend and his medicinal man who

1872
02:00:45,080 --> 02:00:47,280
gave him some medicines to
protect him in battle.

1873
02:00:48,720 --> 02:00:53,200
But this book is like no other
out there and it talks about the

1874
02:00:53,200 --> 02:00:55,680
things that you guys and I have
talked real quick about, about

1875
02:00:55,680 --> 02:01:00,880
the star people and the
abilities of these people.

1876
02:01:02,240 --> 02:01:05,400
And I, I did not, I, I, it's not
my place to talk about this

1877
02:01:05,480 --> 02:01:10,680
because Dickie is my friend.
I want him to get his

1878
02:01:10,680 --> 02:01:14,800
recognition and his history to
come out for, to preserve it for

1879
02:01:14,800 --> 02:01:17,160
his people.
But people in America, if you

1880
02:01:17,160 --> 02:01:21,040
read this book, your eyes will
be opened and a lot more

1881
02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:24,720
understanding.
It can explain things in

1882
02:01:24,720 --> 02:01:27,680
layman's terms about these
people and their abilities, OK.

1883
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:32,920
And he did it for his people and
the future generations, OK?

1884
02:01:33,120 --> 02:01:34,720
It's not like he doesn't want
this known.

1885
02:01:34,720 --> 02:01:39,320
He's talking about it.
And he goes into one very

1886
02:01:39,560 --> 02:01:41,360
fascinating thing, and I'll say
this.

1887
02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:44,360
He talked about the the powers
that the people had back in the

1888
02:01:44,360 --> 02:01:46,600
day.
And one of these was possibly

1889
02:01:46,600 --> 02:01:50,640
that went underground a power to
communicate with their people in

1890
02:01:50,640 --> 02:01:54,440
the future.
Jeremy, give me the link to that

1891
02:01:54,440 --> 02:01:55,920
book because I know you already
got it pulled up.

1892
02:01:58,640 --> 02:02:03,720
So, but that book, that book
will open your eyes and open our

1893
02:02:03,720 --> 02:02:05,800
eyes.
All of us should be digging into

1894
02:02:05,800 --> 02:02:10,360
that book.
My Grandfather's Altar by

1895
02:02:10,360 --> 02:02:13,400
Richard Moose Camp Incredible,
incredible human being.

1896
02:02:14,840 --> 02:02:19,920
So giving up his time and
sincere, incredible, incredible

1897
02:02:19,920 --> 02:02:24,520
man.
So I appreciate you guys

1898
02:02:24,520 --> 02:02:25,880
listening, man.
Thank you so much.

1899
02:02:25,880 --> 02:02:27,200
It's been a great night.
Yeah.

1900
02:02:27,240 --> 02:02:28,440
Thanks, Lance.
We appreciate.

1901
02:02:28,480 --> 02:02:30,400
You, brother.
Phenomenal, phenomenal stuff.

1902
02:02:30,840 --> 02:02:32,240
Yeah, wrap this up, Jeremy.
I'm tired.

1903
02:02:32,240 --> 02:02:36,840
I gotta go to bed, man.
I just put the link for the

1904
02:02:36,840 --> 02:02:40,880
Amazon link for that book in the
chat there.

1905
02:02:42,040 --> 02:02:54,200
I'm also going to really quick
for everyone, Lance, do you, do

1906
02:02:54,200 --> 02:02:57,080
you only sell your book off
Amazon or do you have a website?

1907
02:02:57,560 --> 02:03:00,360
No, it's, it's, it's only on
Amazon and I'll, I'll do my

1908
02:03:00,360 --> 02:03:04,640
shameless plug here.
It is the the history they tell

1909
02:03:05,960 --> 02:03:08,200
oral history from Native
American and First Nations

1910
02:03:08,200 --> 02:03:10,200
people regarding the battle, the
little Big Horn.

1911
02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:14,320
It's 20 chapters.
This information had not come

1912
02:03:14,320 --> 02:03:16,760
out until we were fortunate
enough to be able to give

1913
02:03:16,760 --> 02:03:20,120
permission to put it out.
We tried to talk about as many

1914
02:03:20,120 --> 02:03:23,040
people who were there that's not
on the record and some of these

1915
02:03:23,040 --> 02:03:26,960
abilities that they people had.
And then we told what was told

1916
02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:30,840
to us without changing it.
And then I do a deep dive in the

1917
02:03:30,840 --> 02:03:34,880
historical record and it's on
Amazon for 2499.

1918
02:03:35,680 --> 02:03:38,160
Thanks for letting me plug it.
And, you know, if people read

1919
02:03:38,160 --> 02:03:41,800
it, give us a review.
If you like it, great.

1920
02:03:41,800 --> 02:03:45,120
If you don't, that's fine too.
But be specific why you like it

1921
02:03:45,120 --> 02:03:48,080
or you don't like it.
So we can, you know, tailor our

1922
02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:51,800
research later on for that.
Because as a writer and an

1923
02:03:51,800 --> 02:03:54,280
author, that's what, you know,
keeps us going, right?

1924
02:03:54,320 --> 02:03:55,920
So thanks for letting me plug it
man.

1925
02:03:56,720 --> 02:04:00,480
Absolutely, I put I put your
your link in there too.

1926
02:04:01,080 --> 02:04:02,120
Thank you.
Appreciate it.

1927
02:04:02,480 --> 02:04:06,600
It's not showing up on on
Riverside's chat, but it is in

1928
02:04:06,600 --> 02:04:13,080
the in the the twitch chat where
where most of our our our

1929
02:04:13,080 --> 02:04:14,720
listeners are are watching right
now.

1930
02:04:15,120 --> 02:04:17,640
I don't see it, looks like
everyone fell off a YouTube and

1931
02:04:17,640 --> 02:04:22,640
X but Twitch is.
Still, I just bought my

1932
02:04:22,640 --> 02:04:25,760
grandfather's altar, and that's
the first book I've ever

1933
02:04:25,760 --> 02:04:29,080
purchased off of a
recommendation in the four years

1934
02:04:29,080 --> 02:04:31,840
I've been doing this show.
That's the first time I pulled

1935
02:04:31,840 --> 02:04:36,040
the trigger on a book.
Hell yeah, Thank you.

1936
02:04:36,040 --> 02:04:39,120
And you know what?
You, you just, you just stepped

1937
02:04:39,120 --> 02:04:43,680
into the rabbit hole, bro.
So wait till you read that

1938
02:04:43,680 --> 02:04:45,040
thing.
You're you're going to have to

1939
02:04:45,040 --> 02:04:48,560
read each chapter like twice to
let that thing sink in, OK?

1940
02:04:48,720 --> 02:04:51,640
Oh, I'm ready, man.
Because there is nothing,

1941
02:04:52,040 --> 02:04:54,760
nothing like it out there.
For sure.

1942
02:04:55,200 --> 02:04:57,360
That's right, I bought.
I bought 6 books tonight.

1943
02:04:57,960 --> 02:05:02,000
All right, wait till you wait
till you read Vine Deloria's

1944
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:04,760
book the The World We Used to
Live In.

1945
02:05:08,560 --> 02:05:12,880
There's a story in there about
when the US government officials

1946
02:05:12,880 --> 02:05:18,160
were trying to deal with the
Arikara, who are a cattle and

1947
02:05:18,160 --> 02:05:21,640
speaking people who will be
scouts for the US Army at the

1948
02:05:21,640 --> 02:05:25,080
Little Bighorn.
And they were once about 20,000

1949
02:05:25,080 --> 02:05:28,040
people along the Missouri River
in South Dakota.

1950
02:05:30,160 --> 02:05:33,840
They came out and dealt with
these all these bands of Aricura

1951
02:05:34,600 --> 02:05:37,320
in the 1830s.
And these Aricura.

1952
02:05:37,560 --> 02:05:40,520
We're having ceremonies tonight
for these bigwigs from

1953
02:05:40,520 --> 02:05:42,880
Washington, DC And there's Army
troops out there.

1954
02:05:43,320 --> 02:05:44,760
And they come out of the
woodwork.

1955
02:05:44,760 --> 02:05:47,080
There's like something like
15,000 of them out there.

1956
02:05:47,520 --> 02:05:51,160
And one of these stories goes
the the the medicine societies

1957
02:05:51,160 --> 02:05:53,400
and the warrior societies are
all doing their dances a night

1958
02:05:53,400 --> 02:05:56,760
around a massive bonfire.
Thousands of these people are

1959
02:05:56,800 --> 02:05:58,600
are just crowding around these
guys.

1960
02:05:58,920 --> 02:06:02,800
And one of these medicine men
comes out and he pulls out like

1961
02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:08,680
some type of a par flesh, a
homemade, like think of it as a

1962
02:06:08,680 --> 02:06:12,160
homemade kit.
And he pulled out a bunch of mud

1963
02:06:12,160 --> 02:06:15,960
from the Missouri River, OK.
And they said all of a sudden,

1964
02:06:15,960 --> 02:06:18,320
like 10,000 people go deathly
quiet.

1965
02:06:18,960 --> 02:06:22,240
This bonfire is massive and it
starts cracking.

1966
02:06:22,480 --> 02:06:28,320
And this medicine man starts
molding in this mud figurines of

1967
02:06:28,320 --> 02:06:31,880
warriors and horses.
OK, so the horse is on the

1968
02:06:31,880 --> 02:06:34,760
plains by now, contrary to what
people say, the horse has been

1969
02:06:34,760 --> 02:06:37,400
on the plains for a long time.
And these are ricker were mighty

1970
02:06:37,400 --> 02:06:39,920
powerful warriors.
And this medicine man starts

1971
02:06:39,920 --> 02:06:44,040
making these these figurines and
he starts talking in a Ricker

1972
02:06:45,280 --> 02:06:50,200
and these and they say that
these figurines came alive and

1973
02:06:50,200 --> 02:06:53,080
these dignitaries from
Washington and these army guys

1974
02:06:53,080 --> 02:06:58,120
are like holy mackerel.
And they start having like a

1975
02:06:58,120 --> 02:07:00,920
sham Buffalo hunt.
He made buffaloes and guys.

1976
02:07:01,120 --> 02:07:03,680
And they start chasing these.
It's it's like out of one of

1977
02:07:03,680 --> 02:07:07,480
those clash of the Titans, OK,
you know where those figurines

1978
02:07:07,480 --> 02:07:10,640
are moving around.
He said that those figurines

1979
02:07:11,120 --> 02:07:15,680
start killing the Buffalo and
all the people then start

1980
02:07:15,680 --> 02:07:17,360
chanting or singing or something
like this.

1981
02:07:17,640 --> 02:07:20,840
And it culminates with they kill
all the Buffalo and the medicine

1982
02:07:20,840 --> 02:07:27,160
man then orders those warriors
and those on their horses to

1983
02:07:27,160 --> 02:07:33,680
then run into the fire and get
this not, not all of them would

1984
02:07:33,680 --> 02:07:37,520
do it.
And he kept like, I command you,

1985
02:07:37,520 --> 02:07:39,720
you know, like Raiders of the
Lost Ark or something like that.

1986
02:07:39,720 --> 02:07:43,640
I command you.
And his medicine was so

1987
02:07:43,640 --> 02:07:46,560
powerful.
These figurines would not kill

1988
02:07:46,560 --> 02:07:49,640
themselves in essence.
And finally they did, but they

1989
02:07:49,680 --> 02:07:54,000
didn't want to go into the fire.
The guys, if you want to believe

1990
02:07:54,000 --> 02:07:56,560
it, believe it.
If you don't, that's your

1991
02:07:56,560 --> 02:08:00,000
journey.
But that story's from the 1830s,

1992
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:04,320
guys.
What, what do you suppose it

1993
02:08:04,320 --> 02:08:05,480
would have been like to been out
there?

1994
02:08:05,480 --> 02:08:07,680
And then you're going to come
back and tell a story like that

1995
02:08:07,880 --> 02:08:13,440
and, and risk losing your job
and Washington, DC, I doubt it

1996
02:08:13,440 --> 02:08:15,280
very much.
You know, kind of common sense,

1997
02:08:15,280 --> 02:08:17,600
right?
Yeah, shit.

1998
02:08:17,600 --> 02:08:20,240
Risk losing your life, man.
Because back then, you know, you

1999
02:08:20,240 --> 02:08:22,840
start, you start talking about
that kind of stuff.

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02:08:22,840 --> 02:08:25,640
I mean, you're, you're, you're
liable to get burned at the

2001
02:08:25,640 --> 02:08:27,360
stake or hung or something,
right?

2002
02:08:27,360 --> 02:08:31,200
Like.
I know like wake up, wake up.

2003
02:08:32,280 --> 02:08:33,840
Yeah, it's crazy.
Wake up, man.

2004
02:08:34,600 --> 02:08:36,440
All right, let's go ahead and
end this.

2005
02:08:37,080 --> 02:08:39,800
Lance, I'm.
I'm going to reach out to you

2006
02:08:40,760 --> 02:08:45,480
tomorrow or Tuesday or something
just to touch base, say thank

2007
02:08:45,480 --> 02:08:48,240
you once again.
Is there anything else that you

2008
02:08:48,240 --> 02:08:49,680
want to plug?
Anything at all?

2009
02:08:49,720 --> 02:08:51,560
Please go ahead and take the
time to do it.

2010
02:08:53,120 --> 02:08:55,400
Shameless says anything, man,
just go for it.

2011
02:08:55,760 --> 02:08:59,000
Anything at all.
Well, I mean, we've covered

2012
02:08:59,000 --> 02:09:01,560
along a great talk.
We've covered a lot of stuff.

2013
02:09:01,560 --> 02:09:05,640
I've I've thrown a lot at you.
I'm happy to do it and I'm happy

2014
02:09:05,640 --> 02:09:08,600
to visit with anybody They can
shoot me a message, my websites

2015
02:09:08,600 --> 02:09:12,000
up and running at
lancej.doral.com.

2016
02:09:12,440 --> 02:09:15,200
Feel free to shoot me a message
and I'll do my best to steer you

2017
02:09:15,200 --> 02:09:18,720
to the stuff that I've
encountered and I've been doing

2018
02:09:18,720 --> 02:09:23,760
this a long time.
I'm not on this journey to be a

2019
02:09:23,760 --> 02:09:25,760
talking head.
I'm just trying to get everybody

2020
02:09:25,880 --> 02:09:28,760
to wake up a little bit and to
pay attention to these people.

2021
02:09:29,080 --> 02:09:32,120
And again, I'll do my best to
get you guys connected to a lot

2022
02:09:32,120 --> 02:09:35,320
of these people and I think they
will eventually have some

2023
02:09:35,320 --> 02:09:37,520
dialogue with you whether or not
we can get them here.

2024
02:09:37,880 --> 02:09:40,400
But I think that's a pretty good
start.

2025
02:09:40,400 --> 02:09:44,120
I'm looking at my library over
here and trying to wonder what

2026
02:09:44,120 --> 02:09:47,120
happens to me when this if I
make my journey and my poor

2027
02:09:47,120 --> 02:09:51,200
wife's got to sort it out.
I'm trying to get my little

2028
02:09:51,200 --> 02:09:55,760
hometown library back in
Northwest Missouri to take all

2029
02:09:55,760 --> 02:09:57,960
of these books because that
place was so dear to me.

2030
02:09:58,320 --> 02:10:03,600
But now I think we're good for
now.

2031
02:10:03,760 --> 02:10:06,520
Well, it will save it for the
next time and we can we can

2032
02:10:06,520 --> 02:10:09,840
visit a little bit and there's
some more stories about the

2033
02:10:09,840 --> 02:10:13,000
Little Big Horn.
And you know, there's a lot of

2034
02:10:13,000 --> 02:10:19,120
stories about who the
descendants and ancestors of the

2035
02:10:19,120 --> 02:10:22,840
Native American people are.
And if you look back on your

2036
02:10:22,840 --> 02:10:30,960
wall behind you, Jeremy, there's
a couple of designs back there.

2037
02:10:31,400 --> 02:10:36,160
Your wall ornaments that a lot
of people are talking about

2038
02:10:36,160 --> 02:10:41,920
these days Go to your, go to
your right.

2039
02:10:43,880 --> 02:10:45,280
There you go.
Keep going, keep going.

2040
02:10:46,320 --> 02:10:49,840
He goes those.
Those, those, those people,

2041
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:54,520
we'll call them that people.
And that that needs to be a very

2042
02:10:55,160 --> 02:10:59,280
pristine and a very respected
conversation.

2043
02:10:59,560 --> 02:11:04,600
And that's one of those ones
where we need to have some of

2044
02:11:04,600 --> 02:11:06,960
the Native people with us if
they will.

2045
02:11:07,160 --> 02:11:09,920
That's a tall order, but that
doesn't need to be coming from

2046
02:11:09,920 --> 02:11:11,360
me.
There's plenty of people who've

2047
02:11:11,360 --> 02:11:14,520
talked about this.
I can hook you up with some guys

2048
02:11:14,520 --> 02:11:16,880
in the field who who've been
doing this a long time.

2049
02:11:17,200 --> 02:11:21,960
But that information about those
people is sacred and it needs to

2050
02:11:21,960 --> 02:11:28,080
be paid attention to because
that's a whole whole three other

2051
02:11:28,080 --> 02:11:31,440
shows for you guys to to take
the people and your listeners

2052
02:11:31,440 --> 02:11:34,760
down, OK?
Because that is not to be messed

2053
02:11:34,760 --> 02:11:38,200
with.
And those people, we need to pay

2054
02:11:38,200 --> 02:11:41,160
attention to that history.
I'll leave it there.

2055
02:11:42,400 --> 02:11:44,120
Sounds good.
Sounds real good.

2056
02:11:45,120 --> 02:11:46,400
Jeff, you got any last words,
bud?

2057
02:11:47,280 --> 02:11:50,200
No, man, this was this was
awesome.

2058
02:11:50,880 --> 02:11:53,880
I'm looking forward to some more
of these.

2059
02:11:54,560 --> 02:11:57,040
Appreciate you coming on.
I appreciate you guys.

2060
02:11:57,040 --> 02:11:59,160
I appreciate what you're doing
and thanks for having me and

2061
02:11:59,160 --> 02:12:01,200
thanks for all the listeners and
the great comments.

2062
02:12:01,720 --> 02:12:04,360
I appreciate all of the stuff
and I appreciate somebody

2063
02:12:04,360 --> 02:12:06,720
listening.
It means a great deal.

2064
02:12:07,040 --> 02:12:09,240
And you know, this is a
marathon, fellas.

2065
02:12:09,240 --> 02:12:12,640
This isn't a a Sprint right now,
although it feels like we're in

2066
02:12:12,640 --> 02:12:15,440
a Sprint.
This is a marathon and this is a

2067
02:12:15,440 --> 02:12:19,040
journey and there is an end game
and I'm not sure it's going to

2068
02:12:19,040 --> 02:12:21,680
be real good and that's why we
need to pay attention to these

2069
02:12:21,680 --> 02:12:23,800
native people.
Absolutely.

2070
02:12:24,160 --> 02:12:26,600
You know, there it is.
I appreciate you guys.

2071
02:12:26,600 --> 02:12:27,680
Thank you.
Thank you.

2072
02:12:28,240 --> 02:12:30,480
Absolutely.
Hang tight for just a few

2073
02:12:30,480 --> 02:12:35,960
minutes after we after we end.
Just need a second for the

2074
02:12:35,960 --> 02:12:39,720
system to grab your audio and
then we'll we'll say our

2075
02:12:39,720 --> 02:12:42,560
goodbyes, but don't go anywhere
after I close out.

2076
02:12:42,560 --> 02:12:47,280
All right, all right, travelers,
that's all I have for you

2077
02:12:47,280 --> 02:12:50,720
tonight.
It's that was a great interview.

2078
02:12:50,840 --> 02:12:53,880
That was amazing.
I knew this one was going to be

2079
02:12:53,880 --> 02:12:56,000
good.
The moment I got off the phone

2080
02:12:56,000 --> 02:12:58,440
with Lance the other night, I
was like, Yep, all right, this

2081
02:12:58,440 --> 02:13:01,120
one's going to be good.
I shot a text over to Jeff and I

2082
02:13:01,120 --> 02:13:03,760
was like, hey man, I have a
feeling you're going to like

2083
02:13:03,760 --> 02:13:06,600
this one.
And that was that was pretty

2084
02:13:06,600 --> 02:13:10,200
much about it.
So like I said at the beginning

2085
02:13:10,200 --> 02:13:12,400
of the episode, a little bit of
a teaser.

2086
02:13:12,720 --> 02:13:18,480
Hopefully, hopefully, actually,
you know what, screw that, not

2087
02:13:18,480 --> 02:13:28,440
hopefully June 1st, which is a
Sunday, we will have the next

2088
02:13:28,440 --> 02:13:33,880
Patreon episode go live.
We are getting back into the

2089
02:13:33,880 --> 02:13:36,360
swing of that.
Everything has settled.

2090
02:13:36,360 --> 02:13:39,920
I am comfortable enough now to
go ahead and start up the

2091
02:13:39,920 --> 02:13:46,520
Patreon again.
It is the Rio Tatsuki the the

2092
02:13:46,560 --> 02:13:52,760
future I saw manga, Prophetic
Vision manga from 1999.

2093
02:13:54,400 --> 02:13:58,280
For those of you that saw on my
social medias, this is it right

2094
02:13:58,280 --> 02:14:01,760
here.
It is absolutely mind blowing.

2095
02:14:03,160 --> 02:14:06,040
Some very, very interesting
stuff and some very interesting

2096
02:14:06,040 --> 02:14:12,120
stuff in there about July 5th,
2025 off the southeastern coast

2097
02:14:12,120 --> 02:14:15,080
of Japan.
So hang tight.

2098
02:14:15,520 --> 02:14:20,200
It is coming June 1st.
I will be recording it this

2099
02:14:20,200 --> 02:14:24,040
week, getting the editing done,
uploading it, and it will be

2100
02:14:24,040 --> 02:14:29,160
ready to go going live June 1st
on our Patreon.

2101
02:14:30,000 --> 02:14:33,480
With that being said, archives
might be pushed out just a

2102
02:14:33,480 --> 02:14:36,760
little bit.
Looks like we might have to push

2103
02:14:36,760 --> 02:14:41,320
out a month, maybe 2.
We're cutting it close with UFO

2104
02:14:41,320 --> 02:14:46,400
Day festival coming up.
I just don't think I'm going to

2105
02:14:46,400 --> 02:14:50,840
have everything ready to my
liking to be dropped on July 1st

2106
02:14:50,840 --> 02:14:52,760
like I like I had originally
announced.

2107
02:14:53,080 --> 02:14:56,960
So I'm going to give myself an
extra month or two as a buffer

2108
02:14:57,240 --> 02:15:02,120
to make sure I can get it out
nice and pristine and pretty for

2109
02:15:02,120 --> 02:15:08,600
you guys and not have to compete
with UFO Days, and that's that.

2110
02:15:08,920 --> 02:15:12,800
All right.
Well, Jeff, you got anything on

2111
02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:16,320
shadow bands front?
Nope.

2112
02:15:17,000 --> 02:15:18,960
All right.
Probably an episode tomorrow.

2113
02:15:18,960 --> 02:15:21,160
If not tomorrow, probably
Tuesday.

2114
02:15:21,160 --> 02:15:23,600
If not Tuesday, probably next
week.

2115
02:15:23,800 --> 02:15:27,600
Jeff is so laid back.
All right, well, that has been

2116
02:15:27,600 --> 02:15:30,520
another episode of the Infinite
Rabbit Hole podcast.

2117
02:15:30,720 --> 02:15:33,480
Thank you, travellers really do
appreciate you stopping by.

2118
02:15:33,480 --> 02:15:37,960
I appreciate you stopping by
every week and checking out what

2119
02:15:37,960 --> 02:15:42,160
we have to say.
Until next time, we'll see you

2120
02:15:42,160 --> 02:15:45,240
right here in the next fork and
path of the Infinite Rabbit

2121
02:15:45,240 --> 02:15:49,840
Hole.
Goodbye everybody, No buys.

2122
02:15:50,200 --> 02:15:51,440
Jess, bye.
Bye you.

2123
02:15:52,720 --> 02:15:55,480
Got to say bye Lance, sorry.
Goodbye, thank you all very

2124
02:15:55,480 --> 02:16:06,920
much.
Hey everybody, thanks for

2125
02:16:06,920 --> 02:16:09,080
checking out the Infinite Rabbit
Hole podcast.

2126
02:16:09,400 --> 02:16:11,320
If you're looking for more of
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2127
02:16:11,320 --> 02:16:14,680
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2128
02:16:14,680 --> 02:16:18,080
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2129
02:16:18,080 --> 02:16:20,160
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2130
02:16:20,200 --> 02:16:23,040
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2131
02:16:23,040 --> 02:16:26,320
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2132
02:16:26,320 --> 02:16:29,400
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2133
02:16:29,600 --> 02:16:33,120
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2134
02:16:33,160 --> 02:16:35,000
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