222. Parallel Worlds & The Light Runner w/ Ally Walker

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Today, we welcome an
accomplished actress,

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screenwriter, and director known
for her roles in films like

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While You Were Sleeping,
Universal Soldier, and Happy

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Texas, as well as her lead role
as Doctor Samantha Waters in the

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NBC crime drama Profiler, which
earned her a Saturn Award

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nomination for Best Actress.
Many of you, like me, may know

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her best as the villainous agent
June Stahl in the FX crime drama

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Sons of Anarchy, a role so
iconic I named one of my sons

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after a character from the
series.

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Today, we're thrilled to discuss
Ally's latest venture, her debut

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as an author with The Light
Runner, a thrilling novel filled

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with twists, turns, and journeys
into parallel worlds, perfect

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for our show.
Please join me in welcoming Ally

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Walker to Infinite Rabbit Hole.
Welcome, Ally.

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Yeah, Thank you.
Thank you for having me.

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It's nice to be here.
How are you today?

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I'm doing OK.
I flew back from New York

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yesterday where I did a couple
things for the book and I'm

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excited.
You know, it's, it's cool to, to

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start this whole journey.
It's pretty, pretty different

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than what I'm used to.
So it's exciting.

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Yeah, I saw you were on Good
Morning America.

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Yeah, yeah, I went on Good
Morning America.

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They were super nice.
It was really nice to be there

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and talk about the book and you
know how I'm changing things up

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and just, you know, continuing
to create and have fun.

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I.
Was like, wow, she's going to

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she's going to come from Good
Morning America to Infinite

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Rabbit.
Like come.

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On.
Come on.

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What is this?
It's a corporate takeover.

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We've we've introduced ourselves
multiple times.

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Jeff, you good with skipping us?
Yeah, everybody knows me all.

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Right, Ally, we're going to jump
right in because we don't have

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you all night, so we're just
going to jump right into it.

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Light runner, you're an author
now.

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Congratulations.
Two days, 2 days ago, right on

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the 6th.
Yeah, yeah.

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Thank you.
Yeah.

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That's that's exciting.
So where you know what, let's

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start off with with a can you
give us a brief synopsis?

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What is your book about?
So the book is, well, it's about

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a lot of things actually, but it
basically is metaphysical

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thriller and it centers around
the character of Doctor Ella

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Kramer, who's a young
psychiatrist working at a

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psychiatric hospital.
And she's treating a pretty high

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profile patient, Captain Oliver
Haskell, whose wife's just been

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murdered.
And he's checked himself into

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Bainbridge Psychiatric Hospital
because he's distraught and

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Ella's supposed to treat him.
And, and as she kind of sort of

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untangles, you know, what he's
been through and what's going

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on, her whole reality, her
reality starts to sort of

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unravel.
And it's, it's very twisted,

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very, you know, kind of crazy.
But she starts to trust, learn

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to trust her gut and define
reality in the way that she

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knows what it is.
And she finds out the truth

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about the murder.
And it's just, you know, it's,

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it's you go down a rabbit hole
because it's a really

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interesting, I think it's
interesting the, the characters

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in the psychiatric ward begin to
tell her the truth about how

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reality really works.
You know how, how energy really

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works.
And she starts to listen to them

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because they're warning her.
And, you know, she feels like

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she's going mad, but she
ultimately prevails and figures

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things out.
So.

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That's pretty awesome.
So this is going to be a series.

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I have three books in that
series.

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Yeah, Yeah, That's awesome.
Yeah.

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It's called the reality series
because, I mean, I was always

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really interested in the
question of reality.

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Like, why do you know things you
don't know how you know?

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You know, why, why do you get
why are some people psychic?

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Why can astrology?
You know, it's just things that

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I've always been around in my
life and just kind of wondering

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if you really listen to your
gut.

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You know, as an actor, you
always, I always trusted my gut

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because I wasn't educated as an
actress.

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I was educated as a scientist
and I had to really, and there

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were things in science that
didn't make sense to me and I

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always wondered and I kind of
kept them in the back of my mind

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and kind of used them in this
book.

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And but as an actress, I really,
I, I trained, I trained a lot,

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but I was working and I, I just
trusted my gut.

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I really learned to trust my
gut.

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And so it's sort of always this
constant battle between your

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senses and, and sort of your
mind in this world.

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And I just said, well, you know,
why is why is all that we see?

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You know, it's the unseen that
was kind of interesting to me.

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That's interesting.
What type of like science were

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you?
Well, I degree, I got my degree

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in biology, but it was actually
biochemistry.

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I worked at a genetic
engineering company and I, I

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sequenced DNA.
I was a grunt, you know, because

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I was just a BAI, had my
bachelor's and I was working for

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the PhDs.
But it's cool because when I was

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there, this is like a million
years ago, you guys, but we

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worked on the enzyme TPA, which
they used in hospitals to break

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up blood clots in heart attack
patients.

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So I sequenced a lot of that.
Shame.

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I mean, they told me what to do,
but I did the grunt work.

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So it was pretty fun, pretty
interesting.

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That is pretty interesting.
Honestly, I could probably talk

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to you for hours about that kind
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You know, I'm the conspiracy
guy, right?

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So when when I hear the words
like gene editing and stuff,

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like I'm like, bro, OK, here we
go, you know, let's go.

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But.
Telomeres guys.

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Just watch Tell.
Me.

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That's what I'm.
Saying looks like Skeeter.

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Skeeter from the chat is buying
the books now.

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I just go.
I just went ahead and posted

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your link.
Oh.

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Cool and looks like.
Skittle, your name is in my

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book.
I hope this is an offensive to

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you, but my horse's name as a
kid was Skeeter.

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You know, my my grandparents had
horses and southern New Mexico.

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I grew up in New Mexico, and
that is still funny.

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Skeeter, I hope you enjoy the
book.

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I was like, whoa, enjoy the
book.

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He was a big old babe, a great
horse.

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Yeah.
That's awesome.

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Good stuff.
So that's cool DNA sequencing

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there.
We've we've talked about

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sequencing quite a, quite a bit
here on the show.

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We had talked about, I don't
know if you're, if you're into

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Bigfoot at all, but Doctor
Melvin Ketchum, she was leading

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this whole, this whole push
about sequencing Bigfoot DNA

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and, and trying trying to, to
prove the existence of, of a, an

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upright walking primate in the,
the woods of North America

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through sequencing of unknown
DNA through hair and scat

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samples found throughout the,
the, the, the through North

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America.
Yeah, because we do have a

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collection of scat and hair that
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anything.
We we can somewhat correlate it

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to primate, but we can't what we
we can't match it to anything.

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Oh wow that's so weird, I've
never even heard of that.

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That's great.
Yeah, her, her name's Doctor

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Melba Ketchum.
She's kind of controversial in

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in some circles, but it is it is
some very interesting stuff.

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But yeah.
So I could also talk to you for

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hours about just sequencing as
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I don't.
Know if I could?

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Talk to you guys.
Have you ever, have you ever

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looked into like the CRISPR cast
9 stuff and everything?

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No.
OK.

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Well, then we'll just stick to
parallel worlds then, OK?

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Yeah.
And that's something I'm, I'm

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kind of interested in.
Like, so like I know your novels

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kind of about, you know,
realities and like these types

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of things, especially when, you
know, when I hear you talk, I

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obviously haven't read the book
yet.

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But you know, when you talk
about these people, like the

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schizophrenics and these people
with multiple personality

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disorders and like they're
explaining to the character in

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the book, you know, how reality
is actually working.

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Like what, what got you thinking
that way?

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Like what are you interested in?
That type of thing?

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Yeah, no, I, I, So I have, one
of my father's sisters was

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bipolar and she'd gone through
electric shock therapy and, you

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know, back in the day and it,
you know, it was not a pretty

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thing.
I, I don't think.

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And at least I'm this, I'm
getting this from, you know, my,

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my, my cousin and my mother had
told me some things.

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And then his brother was
mentally retarded and had to be

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institutionalized as he was
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And I, I've always, I worked
with some foster kids who were,

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had some issues that were in,
you know, group homes for

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special needs kids.
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you know, so many people that
I've I've met who are

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neurodivergent or autistic or
who they know things and you can

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feel like their intelligence and
the love they have a lot of

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love.
I know that sounds really weird.

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They're very loving.
So they can be very loving souls

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and these people.
So these ideas that they have

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and these things that they say,
you know, one of the characters

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in the book, I think Malachi
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And he says just because they're
hearing things that you can't

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access, just because they see
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doesn't make them any less real.
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sort of went with that.
I mean, reality is what you make

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of it, isn't it?
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There's so many fascinating
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to like the human mind.
I don't know, have you ever

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looked into testing on all the?
Things that I wouldn't think

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about.
No.

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No.
Have you ever looked into like

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the the split brain stuff?
Doctor Michael Gazzaniga looked

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into it back I believe in the
80s about how the the right

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hemisphere seems to have had has
its own separate consciousness

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and patients of epilepsy were
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that little bridge of.
Yeah, I know what the corpus

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callosum is.
I there.

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It's very interesting because
the left anterior insulin is

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supposed to be the seat of
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And I use that in the book as
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found, I mean, yeah, one of one
of the one of the tenants of the

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book is that there's a there's
an energy that's swept through

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the universe basically.
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It's not death because death is
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It's entire life.
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descending in the time of
Aquarius as everything becomes

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1.
And I found it really

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interesting.
I don't know about you guys, but

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I'm in, I'm in a business with a
lot of, you know, some would say

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very narcissistic people and
some very cool, you know, and

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you look at the top of the food
chain in this country and other,

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you know, in the world and you
and you can see a lot of people

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who have no empathy or 0
empathy.

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And it's it's corruptible greed
and they, they consume.

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And so I use the parts of the
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It's kind of interesting in the
book that these people are

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actually almost like aliens, you
know, walking around destroying

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life itself.
So it's interesting that you

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brought that up.
Yeah, you have to read the book.

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You have to.
I'm excited.

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I'm excited too.
I mean, I touched base on a lot

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of things, you know, in service
to the story that I've created.

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And that's one of the things
because, you know, I mean,

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psychopaths brains are usually
pretty messed up.

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I don't mean that in any
disrespectful way, but they've

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usually been abused so badly or
they've had such bad drug

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addiction problems.
They're very different.

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The brain's where it's at if you
want to try to figure out, I

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think, what's going on with.
People I The brain is so

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mysterious, it really.
Is it's amazing.

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Before we started recording, we
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little bit and and if it, if it
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book, please feel free to not
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But we started talking a little
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you mind expanding into how your
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or quantum mechanics at all?
I don't want to get too much

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into it.
There's a mad physicist who

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quote UN quote mad, right
physicist in the hospital who,

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who starts to explain time and
starts to explain what's really

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going on.
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my own experience that I've had,
like, have you ever had a gut

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feeling or a premonition?
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felt like it's me telling me
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York.
My other one of my best friends

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is an astrologer.
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resonate and they happen.
And I was, that was so weird.

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Or I would think about somebody
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later, or I would, you know,
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someone just said their name and
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person.
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people have all the time or how,
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up and up or how, you know,
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you know, or they're great, you
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I'm sorry I'm kind of diverging
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Always.
I've always thought that that

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there are several levels that
human beings could be playing on

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it.
At least this is my writer

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brain.
And that, you know, perhaps that

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gut feeling is you further down
the road looking back and

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telling you where you are now.
Yeah, what's going on?

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So when it gets into quanta, I'm
a bit book is a bit

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deterministic.
I think at the end you have to

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really read it because I don't
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because I, I feel like I I'll
start rant, you know, I'll start

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going somewhere I shouldn't.
And I, I did a spoiler in a

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panel.
I did and I was like, oh, wait a

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minute, you know, so, but it's
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I'm in quantum mechanics.
My dad was a nuclear physicist

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and I, I never studied physics
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level.
But it's pretty interesting, you

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know, that it's everything that
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makes it real.
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fascinating.
The observation effect is wild.

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I mean, it's just, it's, it's
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book, I, I, I deal basically
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Heisenberg principle or
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You know, it's very simple.
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really, they're really finding
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You know, it really is, it's
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And black holes.
I'm very interested in those,

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you know, and, and how they, you
know, I never really understood

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certain concepts and, and then
you see them applied to these

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these systems and it's kind of
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There's another one I was
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how the, The Big Bang is
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the universe and it's just
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now it's contract.
It's just interesting, you know,

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just anyway, I, I like, I'm sort
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I like all kinds of things, you
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of things.
And it was really fun to do

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that.
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because, yeah, well, it's.
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a very prominent feature of my
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So yeah, I really hope you read
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Yeah.
Go ahead, Jeff.

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Sorry man.
I was just going to say this is

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something I tend to ask people
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especially ones who have been in
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right.
And you kind of alluded to it a

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little bit ago, you know, you,
what is your experience with

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some of these people?
You don't have to say names or

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anything, obviously.
But as the conspiracy minded

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person that I am, you know, I
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people in like film and and all
these things like there's

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something else going on, right?
Whether it's like a cult beliefs

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or they're aliens, you know,
whatever it is.

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I mean, do you have anything
that you've come across that

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you're like?
You know, I get no, I, I know a

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lot of really nice people in
this industry.

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I mean, you have to realize
you're talking about artists who

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are some of the strongest, most
free thinking people you'll ever

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meet, you know, So no, I don't,
I don't prescribe to Illuminati.

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I don't prescribe to any of
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I think people and it look, I'm
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whatever.
I don't know everything, but I

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was a working class actress, you
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of people, but no, I did my job.
You know, it was more like, I

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bet nothing but great people.
But you know, there's some

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gnarly people too.
Sure.

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And you know, I tend, I tend to
listen to my gut and not get

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involved gnarly people.
And so I was very lucky.

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And but most of the people I
know in the business are good

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people, really good people, hard
working people.

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You know who you know, when
you're especially for women, you

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know, you're an actress, you
make it, you know, you're, you

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know, every audition I went on,
there were a hundred, a minimum

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of 100 other people down on that
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So you, you're slugging it out.
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get hear too much of the cult
stuff or anything like that, it

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discredits the hard work people.
Do you know what I'm saying?

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It's it, it, it kind of takes
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floors, sleeping on couches,
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That's what we did what we did,
you know, and like, and, and

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working hard.
So I don't, I don't, I don't go

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hey.
Fair enough.

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I figured I'd ask, you know, had
the opportunity to ask, ask a

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lot of.
People have a lot of look,

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people have a lot of interest in
things like that and they see a

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lot more than I probably do.
You know, I'm, I'm pretty

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insulated in my world, but I
know for myself and for the

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people that I've worked with and
I've had pretty good

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experiences.
I've had bad experiences with

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some people.
Absolutely.

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But, and, you know, I mean, I
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to greed, you know, I think it's
what we're seeing in the world.

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I mean, everything can be boiled
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you know?
And it's like, basically it's

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greed, you know, when, when
people get greedy, things get

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bad, you know?
For sure.

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But I'm really lucky, so I'm
very grateful.

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Yeah, well, it's, it's good.
It's good that you know.

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Yeah, we.
Get a positive take on that

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it's.
Yeah, I just, I, you know, I've

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never, I'm not saying it doesn't
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So, you know, I, I only speak
from my experience and that's

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all I can speak from.
So where did the interest in the

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whole parallel world's concept
come from?

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Is there is there a point of
origin where you're like, you

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know, this is this is very
interesting, did well.

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You know, there were just, I
think a lot of little things

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along the way.
I think, I, I think knowing

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things that I didn't know how I
knew, I think was a big one.

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And I, you know, I kind of had
this, this weird.

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I have had some weird dreams and
they've, you know, kind of come

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true.
And I've had situations where I

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really did feel like I was
looking down at myself and

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making sure, you know, like it
was like I knew this like Deja,

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a lot of Deja Vu, right?
And I, you know, and I thought

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I.
Who's to say that, you know,

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I'm, I'm not so arrogant as to
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you know, and, and not at least
prescribe to the notion that

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there's several ways, you know,
I mean, you'll read the book,

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you'll see what I'm saying, but
there's several ways to getting

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to the end result.
I mean, I, I do believe that

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things are sort of deterministic
overall, but I do believe

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there's several ways and several
outcomes and not outcomes, but

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several paths to get there.
And, and that's kind of what I'm

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putting forward, you know, and
I, I, you know, I just had, I

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think sometimes if you're quiet,
you can get information or you

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can, you can understand things
in a different way.

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And, and I, I mean, you know,
now there's no matter now, you

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know, I mean, it's like really
interesting, right?

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Everything's constantly
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So who's, you know, if you look
at like 1 of the things I use is

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the Heisenberg principle,
uncertainty principle, you know,

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like you, you can tell where a
particle is or you can tell it's

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momentum, but you can't tell
both at the same time, right?

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Well, from that I went, well,
that's because they're in

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different dimensions, you know
what I mean?

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So it's like I'm I'm when you're
looking at its point, it was,

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and now it's here, you know, but
it's in front and you can't find

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it.
So I thought, well, we just

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extrapolate that to us, you
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interesting.
So I don't know, I just, I think

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there's a lot we don't
understand.

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I think there's a lot we don't.
I think if, if I were to just

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take a peek under the curtain of
the future, I think we're going

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to find that that, you know, and
this is, this is kind of me

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getting a little bit more woo
than than typically would.

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But I, I think that we're going
to find that we're more quantum

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than than we typically believe
that we that we are.

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And I believe that our
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quantum thing than than.
Typical.

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Yeah, I agree with that.
I agree with that.

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I think, you know, to be, you
know, I think we're all energy.

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You know, that's how I look at
everything.

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Everything is energy.
And I think when energy, you

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know, we're just talking about
what is observable.

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So sometimes energy, I think,
wants to observe itself right

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through us.
You know what I mean?

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We were, we had just done an
episode.

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We were talking about the law of
conservation of mass and the law

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of conservation of energy and
how neither can be created nor

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destroyed, but they can only
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Energy could turn into mass over
long periods of times and, and,

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and mass can change in the
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So we were talking about the
concept of death and where does

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the conscious go consciousness
go after death?

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Well, if, if everything that we
know of as of right now is

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made-up as either energy or
matter, your body is, is

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obviously a matter, what, what
would your consciousness be?

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You can't hold your
consciousness right.

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So you would think that your,
your consciousness would fall

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underneath the energy side of,
of, of the things.

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So does your energy fall away
and then does that and does that

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kind of explain the concept of
near death experiences that

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people report, you know, where
they they can look down?

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And see, I think that's right.
And I think I've, I have, you

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know, a different a couple
points in my life.

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Felt like I was watching myself
in life kind of like that.

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And right.
I was like, how do I know that?

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How am I seeing, you know, when
I you know, and it was crazy

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actually.
And and I think that's, I think

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that's valid.
I do.

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And I think, you know, it's the
one of the greatest quotes.

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Who the heck said this?
You guys will probably know,

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said you don't.
What is it?

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You don't have a soul.
You are a soul.

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You have a body.
I think that kind of explains

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it, you know?
Yeah, I, I don't know who said

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it, but I, I understand it.
I definitely.

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You know what I mean?
It's like, it's like, yeah,

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yeah, this is matter, you know?
So yeah.

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Well, it's interesting.
I, you know, I've always said

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this.
I mean, you're, you're an

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artist.
I'm an artist, I'm a musician.

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And I think that being in that
flow state, whether you're

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writing music or you're writing,
you know, you get in that flow

447
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state.
And to me, that's when most of

448
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that call it fringe information,
whatever you want to say, that's

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when it comes to me, Right.
So yeah.

450
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It's like creativity, you know?
It's just your creativity.

451
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You're just, you know, I always,
I always kind of refer to it as

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channeling when I write because
I'm just like, I don't know

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00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,200
what, you know, I'm just kind of
getting all the information out

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of my whatever onto the page,
you know?

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And I, I, when they asked, well,
how did you do that?

456
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Did you research what you?
No, I just kind of did it, you

457
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,760
know, I just kind of got quiet
and it kind of came forward, you

458
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know, And I think a lot of
writers and artists feel that

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way, you know?
Awesome.

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00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:10,480
Well, Ally, I know that we don't
have you all night, so why don't

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00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,720
you go ahead and let everybody
know where they can find

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everything?
Allie Walker?

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Where can they follow you?
Where can they come visit all of

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your work?
Website handles.

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All that good stuff.
OK, yeah, go to

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alliewalkerofficial.com and you
can go to Amazon and look up the

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Light Runner. 3 words, The Light
Runner by Allie Walker.

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And I hope, I hope you guys like
it.

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Oh, it's.
On one to no clue.

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00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,280
Oh, I pinned the Amazon link in
the twitch chat for anybody

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00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,840
who's listening right now.
I know that you've I've already

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00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,720
got confirmation that there's
been a few purchases tonight.

473
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,280
So I think you're.
Crazy.

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00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,720
What are these people saying?
No, I don't.

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00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,880
No shadow band, I don't.
I really don't.

476
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,720
I'm cool with whatever I've been
around a long time.

477
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,720
I'm really, it's not my first,
you know, but you gotta just

478
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,960
gotta be Love is the number one
energy.

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Love, love is the frequency we
we all need to be on.

480
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:23,040
That's the frequency everybody
needs to get on. 100% no we we

481
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,680
just we like to give each other
crap in the in the chat.

482
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:31,120
So please, you know.
This is honestly, this was a

483
00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:33,280
very tame episode.
This is very nice.

484
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:38,200
Sorry, no.
No, Mom, what do you want from

485
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,560
me?
Ali, this was an absolute

486
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,440
pleasure.
I really do appreciate you

487
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,040
taking the time and visiting us.
This was great.

488
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,480
I can't wait.
I got my my copy showing up

489
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:54,320
tomorrow in in the mail and I
I'll write you a nice review and

490
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,200
oh, you're so.
Sweet.

491
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,720
Thank you so much.
OK this.

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00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,920
This episode will go live next
Monday, not tomorrow, but the

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00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,160
Monday after that, and we'll
post it on all our socials and

494
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,120
tag you once the recording is
done.

495
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:08,280
If you could just hang back for
just a second so I can make sure

496
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,880
I have all the audio downloaded.
OK.

497
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,640
Jeff, you have anything to put
out before we go?

498
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,600
No, I appreciate you coming on,
Allie.

499
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,680
It's like I said, it's it's an
honor to meet you.

500
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,520
So this is pretty.
Sick you guys to have me.

501
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,520
Thank you so much.
Absolutely.

502
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,720
For those of you that are
subscribed to our Patreon, the

503
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:33,320
Rio Tatsuki episode will go live
June 11th.

504
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,280
All right, that has been all
that has been another episode of

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the Infinite Rabbit Hole
podcast.

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00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,760
I'm your host, Jeremy.
Thank you, everybody.

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We'll see you right here in the
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Infinite Rabbit Hole.
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