June 15, 2025
222. Parallel Worlds & The Light Runner w/ Ally Walker
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Today, we welcome an accomplished actress, screenwriter, and director known for her roles in films like While You Were Sleeping, Universal Soldier, and Happy Texas, as well as her lead role as Dr. Samantha Waters in the NBC crime drama Profiler, which earned her a Saturn Award nomination for Best Actress. Many of you, like me, may know her best as the villainous Agent June Stahl in the FX crime drama Sons of Anarchy. Today, we're thrilled to discuss Ally's latest venture: her debut as an author with The Light Runner, a thrilling novel filled with twists, turns, and journeys into parallel worlds—perfect for our show. Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit Hole!
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Today, we welcome an
accomplished actress,
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screenwriter, and director known
for her roles in films like
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While You Were Sleeping,
Universal Soldier, and Happy
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Texas, as well as her lead role
as Doctor Samantha Waters in the
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NBC crime drama Profiler, which
earned her a Saturn Award
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nomination for Best Actress.
Many of you, like me, may know
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her best as the villainous agent
June Stahl in the FX crime drama
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Sons of Anarchy, a role so
iconic I named one of my sons
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after a character from the
series.
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Today, we're thrilled to discuss
Ally's latest venture, her debut
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as an author with The Light
Runner, a thrilling novel filled
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with twists, turns, and journeys
into parallel worlds, perfect
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for our show.
Please join me in welcoming Ally
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Walker to Infinite Rabbit Hole.
Welcome, Ally.
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Yeah, Thank you.
Thank you for having me.
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It's nice to be here.
How are you today?
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I'm doing OK.
I flew back from New York
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yesterday where I did a couple
things for the book and I'm
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excited.
You know, it's, it's cool to, to
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start this whole journey.
It's pretty, pretty different
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than what I'm used to.
So it's exciting.
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Yeah, I saw you were on Good
Morning America.
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Yeah, yeah, I went on Good
Morning America.
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They were super nice.
It was really nice to be there
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and talk about the book and you
know how I'm changing things up
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and just, you know, continuing
to create and have fun.
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I.
Was like, wow, she's going to
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she's going to come from Good
Morning America to Infinite
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Rabbit.
Like come.
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On.
Come on.
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What is this?
It's a corporate takeover.
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We've we've introduced ourselves
multiple times.
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Jeff, you good with skipping us?
Yeah, everybody knows me all.
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Right, Ally, we're going to jump
right in because we don't have
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you all night, so we're just
going to jump right into it.
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Light runner, you're an author
now.
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Congratulations.
Two days, 2 days ago, right on
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the 6th.
Yeah, yeah.
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Thank you.
Yeah.
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That's that's exciting.
So where you know what, let's
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start off with with a can you
give us a brief synopsis?
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What is your book about?
So the book is, well, it's about
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a lot of things actually, but it
basically is metaphysical
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thriller and it centers around
the character of Doctor Ella
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Kramer, who's a young
psychiatrist working at a
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psychiatric hospital.
And she's treating a pretty high
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profile patient, Captain Oliver
Haskell, whose wife's just been
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murdered.
And he's checked himself into
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Bainbridge Psychiatric Hospital
because he's distraught and
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Ella's supposed to treat him.
And, and as she kind of sort of
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untangles, you know, what he's
been through and what's going
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on, her whole reality, her
reality starts to sort of
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unravel.
And it's, it's very twisted,
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very, you know, kind of crazy.
But she starts to trust, learn
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to trust her gut and define
reality in the way that she
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knows what it is.
And she finds out the truth
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about the murder.
And it's just, you know, it's,
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it's you go down a rabbit hole
because it's a really
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interesting, I think it's
interesting the, the characters
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in the psychiatric ward begin to
tell her the truth about how
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reality really works.
You know how, how energy really
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works.
And she starts to listen to them
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because they're warning her.
And, you know, she feels like
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she's going mad, but she
ultimately prevails and figures
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things out.
So.
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That's pretty awesome.
So this is going to be a series.
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I have three books in that
series.
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Yeah, Yeah, That's awesome.
Yeah.
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It's called the reality series
because, I mean, I was always
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really interested in the
question of reality.
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Like, why do you know things you
don't know how you know?
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You know, why, why do you get
why are some people psychic?
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Why can astrology?
You know, it's just things that
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I've always been around in my
life and just kind of wondering
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if you really listen to your
gut.
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You know, as an actor, you
always, I always trusted my gut
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because I wasn't educated as an
actress.
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I was educated as a scientist
and I had to really, and there
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were things in science that
didn't make sense to me and I
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always wondered and I kind of
kept them in the back of my mind
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and kind of used them in this
book.
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And but as an actress, I really,
I, I trained, I trained a lot,
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but I was working and I, I just
trusted my gut.
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I really learned to trust my
gut.
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And so it's sort of always this
constant battle between your
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senses and, and sort of your
mind in this world.
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And I just said, well, you know,
why is why is all that we see?
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You know, it's the unseen that
was kind of interesting to me.
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That's interesting.
What type of like science were
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you?
Well, I degree, I got my degree
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in biology, but it was actually
biochemistry.
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I worked at a genetic
engineering company and I, I
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sequenced DNA.
I was a grunt, you know, because
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I was just a BAI, had my
bachelor's and I was working for
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the PhDs.
But it's cool because when I was
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there, this is like a million
years ago, you guys, but we
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worked on the enzyme TPA, which
they used in hospitals to break
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up blood clots in heart attack
patients.
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So I sequenced a lot of that.
Shame.
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I mean, they told me what to do,
but I did the grunt work.
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So it was pretty fun, pretty
interesting.
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That is pretty interesting.
Honestly, I could probably talk
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to you for hours about that kind
of stuff.
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You know, I'm the conspiracy
guy, right?
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So when when I hear the words
like gene editing and stuff,
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like I'm like, bro, OK, here we
go, you know, let's go.
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But.
Telomeres guys.
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Just watch Tell.
Me.
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That's what I'm.
Saying looks like Skeeter.
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Skeeter from the chat is buying
the books now.
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I just go.
I just went ahead and posted
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your link.
Oh.
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Cool and looks like.
Skittle, your name is in my
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book.
I hope this is an offensive to
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you, but my horse's name as a
kid was Skeeter.
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You know, my my grandparents had
horses and southern New Mexico.
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I grew up in New Mexico, and
that is still funny.
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Skeeter, I hope you enjoy the
book.
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I was like, whoa, enjoy the
book.
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He was a big old babe, a great
horse.
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Yeah.
That's awesome.
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Good stuff.
So that's cool DNA sequencing
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there.
We've we've talked about
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sequencing quite a, quite a bit
here on the show.
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We had talked about, I don't
know if you're, if you're into
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Bigfoot at all, but Doctor
Melvin Ketchum, she was leading
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this whole, this whole push
about sequencing Bigfoot DNA
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and, and trying trying to, to
prove the existence of, of a, an
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upright walking primate in the,
the woods of North America
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through sequencing of unknown
DNA through hair and scat
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samples found throughout the,
the, the, the through North
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America.
Yeah, because we do have a
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collection of scat and hair that
we don't, we can't align with
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anything.
We we can somewhat correlate it
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to primate, but we can't what we
we can't match it to anything.
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Oh wow that's so weird, I've
never even heard of that.
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That's great.
Yeah, her, her name's Doctor
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Melba Ketchum.
She's kind of controversial in
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in some circles, but it is it is
some very interesting stuff.
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But yeah.
So I could also talk to you for
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hours about just sequencing as
well.
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I don't.
Know if I could?
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Talk to you guys.
Have you ever, have you ever
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looked into like the CRISPR cast
9 stuff and everything?
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No.
OK.
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Well, then we'll just stick to
parallel worlds then, OK?
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Yeah.
And that's something I'm, I'm
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kind of interested in.
Like, so like I know your novels
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kind of about, you know,
realities and like these types
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of things, especially when, you
know, when I hear you talk, I
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obviously haven't read the book
yet.
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But you know, when you talk
about these people, like the
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schizophrenics and these people
with multiple personality
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disorders and like they're
explaining to the character in
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the book, you know, how reality
is actually working.
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Like what, what got you thinking
that way?
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Like what are you interested in?
That type of thing?
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Yeah, no, I, I, So I have, one
of my father's sisters was
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bipolar and she'd gone through
electric shock therapy and, you
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know, back in the day and it,
you know, it was not a pretty
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thing.
I, I don't think.
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And at least I'm this, I'm
getting this from, you know, my,
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my, my cousin and my mother had
told me some things.
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And then his brother was
mentally retarded and had to be
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institutionalized as he was
older.
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And I, I've always, I worked
with some foster kids who were,
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had some issues that were in,
you know, group homes for
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special needs kids.
And I've often wondered because
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you know, so many people that
I've I've met who are
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neurodivergent or autistic or
who they know things and you can
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feel like their intelligence and
the love they have a lot of
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love.
I know that sounds really weird.
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They're very loving.
So they can be very loving souls
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and these people.
So these ideas that they have
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and these things that they say,
you know, one of the characters
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in the book, I think Malachi
puts it best.
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And he says just because they're
hearing things that you can't
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access, just because they see
things that you can't understand
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doesn't make them any less real.
And I kind of always, you know,
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sort of went with that.
I mean, reality is what you make
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of it, isn't it?
So I kind of.
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There's so many fascinating
things, especially when it comes
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to like the human mind.
I don't know, have you ever
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looked into testing on all the?
Things that I wouldn't think
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about.
No.
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No.
Have you ever looked into like
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the the split brain stuff?
Doctor Michael Gazzaniga looked
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into it back I believe in the
80s about how the the right
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hemisphere seems to have had has
its own separate consciousness
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and patients of epilepsy were
getting their corpus callosum
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that little bridge of.
Yeah, I know what the corpus
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callosum is.
I there.
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It's very interesting because
the left anterior insulin is
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supposed to be the seat of
consciousness.
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And I use that in the book as
well, you know, because they
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found, I mean, yeah, one of one
of the one of the tenants of the
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book is that there's a there's
an energy that's swept through
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the universe basically.
And it's, it takes out life.
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It's not death because death is
actually part of life.
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It's entire life.
And it's a shadow verse
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descending in the time of
Aquarius as everything becomes
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1.
And I found it really
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interesting.
I don't know about you guys, but
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I'm in, I'm in a business with a
lot of, you know, some would say
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very narcissistic people and
some very cool, you know, and
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you look at the top of the food
chain in this country and other,
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you know, in the world and you
and you can see a lot of people
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who have no empathy or 0
empathy.
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And it's it's corruptible greed
and they, they consume.
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And so I use the parts of the
brain.
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It's kind of interesting in the
book that these people are
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actually almost like aliens, you
know, walking around destroying
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life itself.
So it's interesting that you
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brought that up.
Yeah, you have to read the book.
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You have to.
I'm excited.
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I'm excited too.
I mean, I touched base on a lot
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of things, you know, in service
to the story that I've created.
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And that's one of the things
because, you know, I mean,
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psychopaths brains are usually
pretty messed up.
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I don't mean that in any
disrespectful way, but they've
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usually been abused so badly or
they've had such bad drug
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addiction problems.
They're very different.
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The brain's where it's at if you
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think, what's going on with.
People I The brain is so
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mysterious, it really.
Is it's amazing.
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Before we started recording, we
were all just kind of chatting a
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little bit and and if it, if it
gives too much away from the
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book, please feel free to not
not dive into it.
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But we started talking a little
bit about quantum and do you do
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you mind expanding into how your
book ties into quantum physics
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or quantum mechanics at all?
I don't want to get too much
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into it.
There's a mad physicist who
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quote UN quote mad, right
physicist in the hospital who,
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who starts to explain time and
starts to explain what's really
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going on.
And I, I, I will tell you from
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my own experience that I've had,
like, have you ever had a gut
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feeling or a premonition?
And at different points, I've
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felt like it's me telling me
things.
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You know, one of my very good
friends is a psychic in New
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York.
My other one of my best friends
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is an astrologer.
And the things they say really
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resonate and they happen.
And I was, that was so weird.
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Or I would think about somebody
and they'd call me 5 seconds
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later, or I would, you know,
have an image of someone when
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someone just said their name and
I'd have an image of that
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person.
And there's little things that
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people have all the time or how,
you know, somebody's not on the
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up and up or how, you know,
somebody's going to try to get,
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you know, or they're great, you
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And so I kind of incorporated
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I'm sorry I'm kind of diverging
out, but I've.
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Always.
I've always thought that that
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there are several levels that
human beings could be playing on
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it.
At least this is my writer
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brain.
And that, you know, perhaps that
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gut feeling is you further down
the road looking back and
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telling you where you are now.
Yeah, what's going on?
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So when it gets into quanta, I'm
a bit book is a bit
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deterministic.
I think at the end you have to
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really read it because I don't
want to give too much away
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because I, I feel like I I'll
start rant, you know, I'll start
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going somewhere I shouldn't.
And I, I did a spoiler in a
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panel.
I did and I was like, oh, wait a
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minute, you know, so, but it's
interesting.
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I'm in quantum mechanics.
My dad was a nuclear physicist
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and I, I never studied physics
beyond, you know, a college
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level.
But it's pretty interesting, you
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know, that it's everything that
actually observing something
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makes it real.
And I found that kind of
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fascinating.
The observation effect is wild.
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I mean, it's just, it's, it's
just insane, you know, in my
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book, I, I, I deal basically
with simple things like the
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Heisenberg principle or
something like that.
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You know, it's very simple.
But but yeah, it's they're
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really, they're really finding
some really cool stuff.
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You know, it really is, it's
just kind of amazing, actually.
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And black holes.
I'm very interested in those,
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you know, and, and how they, you
know, I never really understood
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certain concepts and, and then
you see them applied to these
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these systems and it's kind of
fascinating.
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There's another one I was
listening to about how, I mean,
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how the, The Big Bang is
actually the end of expansion of
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the universe and it's just
suddenly stopped expanding and
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now it's contract.
It's just interesting, you know,
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just anyway, I, I like, I'm sort
of a dilettante.
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I like all kinds of things, you
know, I like to read all kinds
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of things.
And it was really fun to do
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that.
And yeah.
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But you fit, you fit well into
the infinite rabbit hole then,
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because, yeah, well, it's.
Funny, because a rabbit hole is
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a very prominent feature of my
book too.
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So yeah, I really hope you read
it.
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Yeah.
Go ahead, Jeff.
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Sorry man.
I was just going to say this is
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something I tend to ask people
who are in your industry,
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especially ones who have been in
your industry for a long time,
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right.
And you kind of alluded to it a
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little bit ago, you know, you,
what is your experience with
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some of these people?
You don't have to say names or
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anything, obviously.
But as the conspiracy minded
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person that I am, you know, I
tend to think that a lot of the
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people in like film and and all
these things like there's
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something else going on, right?
Whether it's like a cult beliefs
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or they're aliens, you know,
whatever it is.
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I mean, do you have anything
that you've come across that
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you're like?
You know, I get no, I, I know a
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lot of really nice people in
this industry.
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I mean, you have to realize
you're talking about artists who
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are some of the strongest, most
free thinking people you'll ever
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meet, you know, So no, I don't,
I don't prescribe to Illuminati.
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I don't prescribe to any of
that.
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I think people and it look, I'm
not saying it can't, you know,
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whatever.
I don't know everything, but I
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was a working class actress, you
know, and I mean, I know a lot
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of people, but no, I did my job.
You know, it was more like, I
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bet nothing but great people.
But you know, there's some
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gnarly people too.
Sure.
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And you know, I tend, I tend to
listen to my gut and not get
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involved gnarly people.
And so I was very lucky.
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And but most of the people I
know in the business are good
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people, really good people, hard
working people.
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You know who you know, when
you're especially for women, you
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know, you're an actress, you
make it, you know, you're, you
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know, every audition I went on,
there were a hundred, a minimum
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of 100 other people down on that
audition, right.
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So you, you're slugging it out.
And I think sometimes when I get
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get hear too much of the cult
stuff or anything like that, it
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discredits the hard work people.
Do you know what I'm saying?
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It's it, it, it kind of takes
away from, you know, sleeping on
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floors, sleeping on couches,
waiting tables.
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That's what we did what we did,
you know, and like, and, and
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working hard.
So I don't, I don't, I don't go
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hey.
Fair enough.
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I figured I'd ask, you know, had
the opportunity to ask, ask a
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lot of.
People have a lot of look,
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people have a lot of interest in
things like that and they see a
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lot more than I probably do.
You know, I'm, I'm pretty
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insulated in my world, but I
know for myself and for the
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people that I've worked with and
I've had pretty good
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experiences.
I've had bad experiences with
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some people.
Absolutely.
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But, and, you know, I mean, I
think you can boil it all down
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to greed, you know, I think it's
what we're seeing in the world.
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I mean, everything can be boiled
down to the seven deathly sins,
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you know?
And it's like, basically it's
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greed, you know, when, when
people get greedy, things get
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bad, you know?
For sure.
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But I'm really lucky, so I'm
very grateful.
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Yeah, well, it's, it's good.
It's good that you know.
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Yeah, we.
Get a positive take on that
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it's.
Yeah, I just, I, you know, I've
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never, I'm not saying it doesn't
exist, I just haven't seen it.
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So, you know, I, I only speak
from my experience and that's
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all I can speak from.
So where did the interest in the
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whole parallel world's concept
come from?
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Is there is there a point of
origin where you're like, you
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know, this is this is very
interesting, did well.
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You know, there were just, I
think a lot of little things
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along the way.
I think, I, I think knowing
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things that I didn't know how I
knew, I think was a big one.
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And I, you know, I kind of had
this, this weird.
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I have had some weird dreams and
they've, you know, kind of come
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true.
And I've had situations where I
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really did feel like I was
looking down at myself and
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making sure, you know, like it
was like I knew this like Deja,
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a lot of Deja Vu, right?
And I, you know, and I thought
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I.
Who's to say that, you know,
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I'm, I'm not so arrogant as to
say that this is all there is,
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you know, and, and not at least
prescribe to the notion that
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there's several ways, you know,
I mean, you'll read the book,
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you'll see what I'm saying, but
there's several ways to getting
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to the end result.
I mean, I, I do believe that
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things are sort of deterministic
overall, but I do believe
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there's several ways and several
outcomes and not outcomes, but
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several paths to get there.
And, and that's kind of what I'm
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putting forward, you know, and
I, I, you know, I just had, I
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think sometimes if you're quiet,
you can get information or you
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can, you can understand things
in a different way.
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And, and I, I mean, you know,
now there's no matter now, you
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know, I mean, it's like really
interesting, right?
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Everything's constantly
changing.
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So who's, you know, if you look
at like 1 of the things I use is
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the Heisenberg principle,
uncertainty principle, you know,
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like you, you can tell where a
particle is or you can tell it's
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momentum, but you can't tell
both at the same time, right?
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Well, from that I went, well,
that's because they're in
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different dimensions, you know
what I mean?
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So it's like I'm I'm when you're
looking at its point, it was,
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and now it's here, you know, but
it's in front and you can't find
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it.
So I thought, well, we just
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extrapolate that to us, you
know, and I thought that was
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interesting.
So I don't know, I just, I think
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there's a lot we don't
understand.
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I think there's a lot we don't.
I think if, if I were to just
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take a peek under the curtain of
the future, I think we're going
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to find that that, you know, and
this is, this is kind of me
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getting a little bit more woo
than than typically would.
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But I, I think that we're going
to find that we're more quantum
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than than we typically believe
that we that we are.
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And I believe that our
consciousness is more of a
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quantum thing than than.
Typical.
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Yeah, I agree with that.
I agree with that.
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I think, you know, to be, you
know, I think we're all energy.
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You know, that's how I look at
everything.
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Everything is energy.
And I think when energy, you
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know, we're just talking about
what is observable.
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So sometimes energy, I think,
wants to observe itself right
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through us.
You know what I mean?
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We were, we had just done an
episode.
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We were talking about the law of
conservation of mass and the law
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of conservation of energy and
how neither can be created nor
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destroyed, but they can only
change forms.
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Energy could turn into mass over
long periods of times and, and,
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and mass can change in the
energy and that happens quickly.
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So we were talking about the
concept of death and where does
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the conscious go consciousness
go after death?
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Well, if, if everything that we
know of as of right now is
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made-up as either energy or
matter, your body is, is
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obviously a matter, what, what
would your consciousness be?
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You can't hold your
consciousness right.
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So you would think that your,
your consciousness would fall
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underneath the energy side of,
of, of the things.
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So does your energy fall away
and then does that and does that
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kind of explain the concept of
near death experiences that
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people report, you know, where
they they can look down?
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And see, I think that's right.
And I think I've, I have, you
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know, a different a couple
points in my life.
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Felt like I was watching myself
in life kind of like that.
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And right.
I was like, how do I know that?
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How am I seeing, you know, when
I you know, and it was crazy
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actually.
And and I think that's, I think
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that's valid.
I do.
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And I think, you know, it's the
one of the greatest quotes.
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Who the heck said this?
You guys will probably know,
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said you don't.
What is it?
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You don't have a soul.
You are a soul.
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You have a body.
I think that kind of explains
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it, you know?
Yeah, I, I don't know who said
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it, but I, I understand it.
I definitely.
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You know what I mean?
It's like, it's like, yeah,
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yeah, this is matter, you know?
So yeah.
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Well, it's interesting.
I, you know, I've always said
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this.
I mean, you're, you're an
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artist.
I'm an artist, I'm a musician.
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And I think that being in that
flow state, whether you're
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writing music or you're writing,
you know, you get in that flow
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state.
And to me, that's when most of
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that call it fringe information,
whatever you want to say, that's
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when it comes to me, Right.
So yeah.
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It's like creativity, you know?
It's just your creativity.
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You're just, you know, I always,
I always kind of refer to it as
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channeling when I write because
I'm just like, I don't know
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what, you know, I'm just kind of
getting all the information out
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of my whatever onto the page,
you know?
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And I, I, when they asked, well,
how did you do that?
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Did you research what you?
No, I just kind of did it, you
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know, I just kind of got quiet
and it kind of came forward, you
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know, And I think a lot of
writers and artists feel that
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way, you know?
Awesome.
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00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:10,480
Well, Ally, I know that we don't
have you all night, so why don't
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you go ahead and let everybody
know where they can find
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everything?
Allie Walker?
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Where can they follow you?
Where can they come visit all of
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your work?
Website handles.
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All that good stuff.
OK, yeah, go to
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alliewalkerofficial.com and you
can go to Amazon and look up the
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Light Runner. 3 words, The Light
Runner by Allie Walker.
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And I hope, I hope you guys like
it.
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Oh, it's.
On one to no clue.
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Oh, I pinned the Amazon link in
the twitch chat for anybody
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who's listening right now.
I know that you've I've already
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got confirmation that there's
been a few purchases tonight.
473
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So I think you're.
Crazy.
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What are these people saying?
No, I don't.
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No shadow band, I don't.
I really don't.
476
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I'm cool with whatever I've been
around a long time.
477
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I'm really, it's not my first,
you know, but you gotta just
478
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gotta be Love is the number one
energy.
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Love, love is the frequency we
we all need to be on.
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That's the frequency everybody
needs to get on. 100% no we we
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just we like to give each other
crap in the in the chat.
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So please, you know.
This is honestly, this was a
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very tame episode.
This is very nice.
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Sorry, no.
No, Mom, what do you want from
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me?
Ali, this was an absolute
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pleasure.
I really do appreciate you
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taking the time and visiting us.
This was great.
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I can't wait.
I got my my copy showing up
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tomorrow in in the mail and I
I'll write you a nice review and
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oh, you're so.
Sweet.
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Thank you so much.
OK this.
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This episode will go live next
Monday, not tomorrow, but the
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Monday after that, and we'll
post it on all our socials and
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tag you once the recording is
done.
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If you could just hang back for
just a second so I can make sure
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I have all the audio downloaded.
OK.
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Jeff, you have anything to put
out before we go?
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No, I appreciate you coming on,
Allie.
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It's like I said, it's it's an
honor to meet you.
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So this is pretty.
Sick you guys to have me.
501
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,520
Thank you so much.
Absolutely.
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For those of you that are
subscribed to our Patreon, the
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Rio Tatsuki episode will go live
June 11th.
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All right, that has been all
that has been another episode of
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the Infinite Rabbit Hole
podcast.
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I'm your host, Jeremy.
Thank you, everybody.
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We'll see you right here in the
next back of the fourth of the
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Infinite Rabbit Hole.
Bye everybody.
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Bye.
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Today, we welcome an
accomplished actress,
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screenwriter, and director known
for her roles in films like
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While You Were Sleeping,
Universal Soldier, and Happy
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Texas, as well as her lead role
as Doctor Samantha Waters in the
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NBC crime drama Profiler, which
earned her a Saturn Award
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nomination for Best Actress.
Many of you, like me, may know
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her best as the villainous agent
June Stahl in the FX crime drama
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Sons of Anarchy, a role so
iconic I named one of my sons
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after a character from the
series.
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Today, we're thrilled to discuss
Ally's latest venture, her debut
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as an author with The Light
Runner, a thrilling novel filled
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with twists, turns, and journeys
into parallel worlds, perfect
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for our show.
Please join me in welcoming Ally
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Walker to Infinite Rabbit Hole.
Welcome, Ally.
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Yeah, Thank you.
Thank you for having me.
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It's nice to be here.
How are you today?
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I'm doing OK.
I flew back from New York
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yesterday where I did a couple
things for the book and I'm
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excited.
You know, it's, it's cool to, to
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start this whole journey.
It's pretty, pretty different
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than what I'm used to.
So it's exciting.
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Yeah, I saw you were on Good
Morning America.
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Yeah, yeah, I went on Good
Morning America.
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They were super nice.
It was really nice to be there
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and talk about the book and you
know how I'm changing things up
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and just, you know, continuing
to create and have fun.
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I.
Was like, wow, she's going to
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she's going to come from Good
Morning America to Infinite
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Rabbit.
Like come.
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On.
Come on.
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What is this?
It's a corporate takeover.
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We've we've introduced ourselves
multiple times.
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Jeff, you good with skipping us?
Yeah, everybody knows me all.
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Right, Ally, we're going to jump
right in because we don't have
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you all night, so we're just
going to jump right into it.
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Light runner, you're an author
now.
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Congratulations.
Two days, 2 days ago, right on
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the 6th.
Yeah, yeah.
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Thank you.
Yeah.
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That's that's exciting.
So where you know what, let's
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start off with with a can you
give us a brief synopsis?
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What is your book about?
So the book is, well, it's about
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a lot of things actually, but it
basically is metaphysical
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thriller and it centers around
the character of Doctor Ella
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Kramer, who's a young
psychiatrist working at a
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psychiatric hospital.
And she's treating a pretty high
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profile patient, Captain Oliver
Haskell, whose wife's just been
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murdered.
And he's checked himself into
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Bainbridge Psychiatric Hospital
because he's distraught and
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Ella's supposed to treat him.
And, and as she kind of sort of
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untangles, you know, what he's
been through and what's going
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on, her whole reality, her
reality starts to sort of
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unravel.
And it's, it's very twisted,
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very, you know, kind of crazy.
But she starts to trust, learn
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to trust her gut and define
reality in the way that she
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knows what it is.
And she finds out the truth
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about the murder.
And it's just, you know, it's,
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it's you go down a rabbit hole
because it's a really
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interesting, I think it's
interesting the, the characters
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in the psychiatric ward begin to
tell her the truth about how
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reality really works.
You know how, how energy really
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works.
And she starts to listen to them
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because they're warning her.
And, you know, she feels like
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she's going mad, but she
ultimately prevails and figures
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things out.
So.
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That's pretty awesome.
So this is going to be a series.
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I have three books in that
series.
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Yeah, Yeah, That's awesome.
Yeah.
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It's called the reality series
because, I mean, I was always
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really interested in the
question of reality.
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Like, why do you know things you
don't know how you know?
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You know, why, why do you get
why are some people psychic?
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Why can astrology?
You know, it's just things that
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I've always been around in my
life and just kind of wondering
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if you really listen to your
gut.
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You know, as an actor, you
always, I always trusted my gut
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because I wasn't educated as an
actress.
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I was educated as a scientist
and I had to really, and there
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were things in science that
didn't make sense to me and I
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always wondered and I kind of
kept them in the back of my mind
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and kind of used them in this
book.
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And but as an actress, I really,
I, I trained, I trained a lot,
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but I was working and I, I just
trusted my gut.
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I really learned to trust my
gut.
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And so it's sort of always this
constant battle between your
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senses and, and sort of your
mind in this world.
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And I just said, well, you know,
why is why is all that we see?
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You know, it's the unseen that
was kind of interesting to me.
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That's interesting.
What type of like science were
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you?
Well, I degree, I got my degree
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in biology, but it was actually
biochemistry.
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I worked at a genetic
engineering company and I, I
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sequenced DNA.
I was a grunt, you know, because
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I was just a BAI, had my
bachelor's and I was working for
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the PhDs.
But it's cool because when I was
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there, this is like a million
years ago, you guys, but we
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worked on the enzyme TPA, which
they used in hospitals to break
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up blood clots in heart attack
patients.
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So I sequenced a lot of that.
Shame.
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I mean, they told me what to do,
but I did the grunt work.
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So it was pretty fun, pretty
interesting.
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That is pretty interesting.
Honestly, I could probably talk
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to you for hours about that kind
of stuff.
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You know, I'm the conspiracy
guy, right?
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So when when I hear the words
like gene editing and stuff,
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like I'm like, bro, OK, here we
go, you know, let's go.
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But.
Telomeres guys.
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Just watch Tell.
Me.
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That's what I'm.
Saying looks like Skeeter.
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Skeeter from the chat is buying
the books now.
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I just go.
I just went ahead and posted
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your link.
Oh.
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Cool and looks like.
Skittle, your name is in my
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book.
I hope this is an offensive to
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you, but my horse's name as a
kid was Skeeter.
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You know, my my grandparents had
horses and southern New Mexico.
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I grew up in New Mexico, and
that is still funny.
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Skeeter, I hope you enjoy the
book.
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I was like, whoa, enjoy the
book.
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He was a big old babe, a great
horse.
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Yeah.
That's awesome.
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Good stuff.
So that's cool DNA sequencing
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there.
We've we've talked about
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sequencing quite a, quite a bit
here on the show.
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We had talked about, I don't
know if you're, if you're into
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Bigfoot at all, but Doctor
Melvin Ketchum, she was leading
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this whole, this whole push
about sequencing Bigfoot DNA
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and, and trying trying to, to
prove the existence of, of a, an
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upright walking primate in the,
the woods of North America
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through sequencing of unknown
DNA through hair and scat
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samples found throughout the,
the, the, the through North
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America.
Yeah, because we do have a
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collection of scat and hair that
we don't, we can't align with
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anything.
We we can somewhat correlate it
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to primate, but we can't what we
we can't match it to anything.
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Oh wow that's so weird, I've
never even heard of that.
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That's great.
Yeah, her, her name's Doctor
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Melba Ketchum.
She's kind of controversial in
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in some circles, but it is it is
some very interesting stuff.
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But yeah.
So I could also talk to you for
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hours about just sequencing as
well.
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I don't.
Know if I could?
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Talk to you guys.
Have you ever, have you ever
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looked into like the CRISPR cast
9 stuff and everything?
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No.
OK.
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Well, then we'll just stick to
parallel worlds then, OK?
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Yeah.
And that's something I'm, I'm
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kind of interested in.
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kind of about, you know,
realities and like these types
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of things, especially when, you
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obviously haven't read the book
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schizophrenics and these people
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disorders and like they're
explaining to the character in
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the book, you know, how reality
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Like what, what got you thinking
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Like what are you interested in?
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Yeah, no, I, I, So I have, one
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bipolar and she'd gone through
electric shock therapy and, you
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know, back in the day and it,
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my, my cousin and my mother had
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institutionalized as he was
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had some issues that were in,
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special needs kids.
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you know, so many people that
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neurodivergent or autistic or
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feel like their intelligence and
the love they have a lot of
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love.
I know that sounds really weird.
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and these people.
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and these things that they say,
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in the book, I think Malachi
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hearing things that you can't
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access, just because they see
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doesn't make them any less real.
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sort of went with that.
I mean, reality is what you make
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of it, isn't it?
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There's so many fascinating
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to like the human mind.
I don't know, have you ever
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looked into testing on all the?
Things that I wouldn't think
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about.
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No.
Have you ever looked into like
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the the split brain stuff?
Doctor Michael Gazzaniga looked
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into it back I believe in the
80s about how the the right
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hemisphere seems to have had has
its own separate consciousness
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and patients of epilepsy were
getting their corpus callosum
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that little bridge of.
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callosum is.
I there.
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It's very interesting because
the left anterior insulin is
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supposed to be the seat of
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And I use that in the book as
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found, I mean, yeah, one of one
of the one of the tenants of the
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book is that there's a there's
an energy that's swept through
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the universe basically.
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It's not death because death is
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It's entire life.
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descending in the time of
Aquarius as everything becomes
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1.
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interesting.
I don't know about you guys, but
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I'm in, I'm in a business with a
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very narcissistic people and
some very cool, you know, and
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you look at the top of the food
chain in this country and other,
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you know, in the world and you
and you can see a lot of people
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who have no empathy or 0
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It's kind of interesting in the
book that these people are
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actually almost like aliens, you
know, walking around destroying
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life itself.
So it's interesting that you
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brought that up.
Yeah, you have to read the book.
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You have to.
I'm excited.
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I'm excited too.
I mean, I touched base on a lot
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of things, you know, in service
to the story that I've created.
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because, you know, I mean,
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psychopaths brains are usually
pretty messed up.
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disrespectful way, but they've
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usually been abused so badly or
they've had such bad drug
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addiction problems.
They're very different.
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The brain's where it's at if you
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think, what's going on with.
People I The brain is so
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mysterious, it really.
Is it's amazing.
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Before we started recording, we
were all just kind of chatting a
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little bit and and if it, if it
gives too much away from the
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book, please feel free to not
not dive into it.
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you mind expanding into how your
book ties into quantum physics
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or quantum mechanics at all?
I don't want to get too much
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into it.
There's a mad physicist who
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quote UN quote mad, right
physicist in the hospital who,
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who starts to explain time and
starts to explain what's really
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going on.
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my own experience that I've had,
like, have you ever had a gut
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feeling or a premonition?
And at different points, I've
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felt like it's me telling me
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York.
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is an astrologer.
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resonate and they happen.
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later, or I would, you know,
have an image of someone when
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someone just said their name and
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person.
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people have all the time or how,
you know, somebody's not on the
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up and up or how, you know,
somebody's going to try to get,
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you know, or they're great, you
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I'm sorry I'm kind of diverging
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Always.
I've always thought that that
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there are several levels that
human beings could be playing on
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it.
At least this is my writer
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brain.
And that, you know, perhaps that
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gut feeling is you further down
the road looking back and
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telling you where you are now.
Yeah, what's going on?
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So when it gets into quanta, I'm
a bit book is a bit
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deterministic.
I think at the end you have to
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really read it because I don't
want to give too much away
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because I, I feel like I I'll
start rant, you know, I'll start
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going somewhere I shouldn't.
And I, I did a spoiler in a
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panel.
I did and I was like, oh, wait a
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minute, you know, so, but it's
interesting.
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I'm in quantum mechanics.
My dad was a nuclear physicist
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and I, I never studied physics
beyond, you know, a college
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level.
But it's pretty interesting, you
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know, that it's everything that
actually observing something
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makes it real.
And I found that kind of
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fascinating.
The observation effect is wild.
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I mean, it's just, it's, it's
just insane, you know, in my
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book, I, I, I deal basically
with simple things like the
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Heisenberg principle or
something like that.
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really, they're really finding
some really cool stuff.
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You know, it really is, it's
just kind of amazing, actually.
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And black holes.
I'm very interested in those,
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you know, and, and how they, you
know, I never really understood
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certain concepts and, and then
you see them applied to these
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these systems and it's kind of
fascinating.
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listening to about how, I mean,
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how the, The Big Bang is
actually the end of expansion of
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the universe and it's just
suddenly stopped expanding and
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now it's contract.
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just anyway, I, I like, I'm sort
of a dilettante.
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I like all kinds of things, you
know, I like to read all kinds
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of things.
And it was really fun to do
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that.
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the infinite rabbit hole then,
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because, yeah, well, it's.
Funny, because a rabbit hole is
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a very prominent feature of my
book too.
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So yeah, I really hope you read
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Yeah.
Go ahead, Jeff.
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Sorry man.
I was just going to say this is
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something I tend to ask people
who are in your industry,
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especially ones who have been in
your industry for a long time,
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right.
And you kind of alluded to it a
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little bit ago, you know, you,
what is your experience with
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some of these people?
You don't have to say names or
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anything, obviously.
But as the conspiracy minded
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person that I am, you know, I
tend to think that a lot of the
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people in like film and and all
these things like there's
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something else going on, right?
Whether it's like a cult beliefs
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or they're aliens, you know,
whatever it is.
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I mean, do you have anything
that you've come across that
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you're like?
You know, I get no, I, I know a
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lot of really nice people in
this industry.
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I mean, you have to realize
you're talking about artists who
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are some of the strongest, most
free thinking people you'll ever
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meet, you know, So no, I don't,
I don't prescribe to Illuminati.
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I don't prescribe to any of
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I think people and it look, I'm
not saying it can't, you know,
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whatever.
I don't know everything, but I
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was a working class actress, you
know, and I mean, I know a lot
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of people, but no, I did my job.
You know, it was more like, I
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bet nothing but great people.
But you know, there's some
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gnarly people too.
Sure.
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And you know, I tend, I tend to
listen to my gut and not get
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involved gnarly people.
And so I was very lucky.
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And but most of the people I
know in the business are good
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people, really good people, hard
working people.
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You know who you know, when
you're especially for women, you
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know, you're an actress, you
make it, you know, you're, you
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know, every audition I went on,
there were a hundred, a minimum
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of 100 other people down on that
audition, right.
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So you, you're slugging it out.
And I think sometimes when I get
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get hear too much of the cult
stuff or anything like that, it
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discredits the hard work people.
Do you know what I'm saying?
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It's it, it, it kind of takes
away from, you know, sleeping on
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floors, sleeping on couches,
waiting tables.
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That's what we did what we did,
you know, and like, and, and
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working hard.
So I don't, I don't, I don't go
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hey.
Fair enough.
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I figured I'd ask, you know, had
the opportunity to ask, ask a
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lot of.
People have a lot of look,
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people have a lot of interest in
things like that and they see a
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lot more than I probably do.
You know, I'm, I'm pretty
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insulated in my world, but I
know for myself and for the
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people that I've worked with and
I've had pretty good
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experiences.
I've had bad experiences with
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some people.
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But, and, you know, I mean, I
think you can boil it all down
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to greed, you know, I think it's
what we're seeing in the world.
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I mean, everything can be boiled
down to the seven deathly sins,
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you know?
And it's like, basically it's
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greed, you know, when, when
people get greedy, things get
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bad, you know?
For sure.
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But I'm really lucky, so I'm
very grateful.
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Yeah, well, it's, it's good.
It's good that you know.
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Get a positive take on that
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it's.
Yeah, I just, I, you know, I've
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never, I'm not saying it doesn't
exist, I just haven't seen it.
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So, you know, I, I only speak
from my experience and that's
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all I can speak from.
So where did the interest in the
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whole parallel world's concept
come from?
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Is there is there a point of
origin where you're like, you
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know, this is this is very
interesting, did well.
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You know, there were just, I
think a lot of little things
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along the way.
I think, I, I think knowing
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things that I didn't know how I
knew, I think was a big one.
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this, this weird.
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I have had some weird dreams and
they've, you know, kind of come
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true.
And I've had situations where I
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really did feel like I was
looking down at myself and
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making sure, you know, like it
was like I knew this like Deja,
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a lot of Deja Vu, right?
And I, you know, and I thought
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I.
Who's to say that, you know,
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I'm, I'm not so arrogant as to
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you know, and, and not at least
prescribe to the notion that
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there's several ways, you know,
I mean, you'll read the book,
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you'll see what I'm saying, but
there's several ways to getting
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to the end result.
I mean, I, I do believe that
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things are sort of deterministic
overall, but I do believe
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there's several ways and several
outcomes and not outcomes, but
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several paths to get there.
And, and that's kind of what I'm
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putting forward, you know, and
I, I, you know, I just had, I
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think sometimes if you're quiet,
you can get information or you
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can, you can understand things
in a different way.
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And, and I, I mean, you know,
now there's no matter now, you
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know, I mean, it's like really
interesting, right?
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Everything's constantly
changing.
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So who's, you know, if you look
at like 1 of the things I use is
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the Heisenberg principle,
uncertainty principle, you know,
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like you, you can tell where a
particle is or you can tell it's
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momentum, but you can't tell
both at the same time, right?
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Well, from that I went, well,
that's because they're in
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different dimensions, you know
what I mean?
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So it's like I'm I'm when you're
looking at its point, it was,
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and now it's here, you know, but
it's in front and you can't find
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it.
So I thought, well, we just
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extrapolate that to us, you
know, and I thought that was
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interesting.
So I don't know, I just, I think
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there's a lot we don't
understand.
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I think there's a lot we don't.
I think if, if I were to just
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take a peek under the curtain of
the future, I think we're going
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to find that that, you know, and
this is, this is kind of me
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getting a little bit more woo
than than typically would.
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But I, I think that we're going
to find that we're more quantum
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than than we typically believe
that we that we are.
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And I believe that our
consciousness is more of a
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quantum thing than than.
Typical.
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Yeah, I agree with that.
I agree with that.
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I think, you know, to be, you
know, I think we're all energy.
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You know, that's how I look at
everything.
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Everything is energy.
And I think when energy, you
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know, we're just talking about
what is observable.
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So sometimes energy, I think,
wants to observe itself right
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through us.
You know what I mean?
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We were, we had just done an
episode.
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We were talking about the law of
conservation of mass and the law
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of conservation of energy and
how neither can be created nor
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destroyed, but they can only
change forms.
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Energy could turn into mass over
long periods of times and, and,
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and mass can change in the
energy and that happens quickly.
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So we were talking about the
concept of death and where does
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the conscious go consciousness
go after death?
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Well, if, if everything that we
know of as of right now is
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made-up as either energy or
matter, your body is, is
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obviously a matter, what, what
would your consciousness be?
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You can't hold your
consciousness right.
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So you would think that your,
your consciousness would fall
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underneath the energy side of,
of, of the things.
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So does your energy fall away
and then does that and does that
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kind of explain the concept of
near death experiences that
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people report, you know, where
they they can look down?
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And see, I think that's right.
And I think I've, I have, you
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know, a different a couple
points in my life.
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Felt like I was watching myself
in life kind of like that.
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And right.
I was like, how do I know that?
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How am I seeing, you know, when
I you know, and it was crazy
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actually.
And and I think that's, I think
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that's valid.
I do.
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And I think, you know, it's the
one of the greatest quotes.
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Who the heck said this?
You guys will probably know,
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said you don't.
What is it?
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You don't have a soul.
You are a soul.
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You have a body.
I think that kind of explains
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it, you know?
Yeah, I, I don't know who said
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it, but I, I understand it.
I definitely.
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You know what I mean?
It's like, it's like, yeah,
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yeah, this is matter, you know?
So yeah.
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Well, it's interesting.
I, you know, I've always said
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this.
I mean, you're, you're an
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artist.
I'm an artist, I'm a musician.
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And I think that being in that
flow state, whether you're
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writing music or you're writing,
you know, you get in that flow
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state.
And to me, that's when most of
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that call it fringe information,
whatever you want to say, that's
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when it comes to me, Right.
So yeah.
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It's like creativity, you know?
It's just your creativity.
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You're just, you know, I always,
I always kind of refer to it as
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channeling when I write because
I'm just like, I don't know
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what, you know, I'm just kind of
getting all the information out
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of my whatever onto the page,
you know?
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And I, I, when they asked, well,
how did you do that?
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Did you research what you?
No, I just kind of did it, you
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know, I just kind of got quiet
and it kind of came forward, you
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know, And I think a lot of
writers and artists feel that
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way, you know?
Awesome.
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00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:10,480
Well, Ally, I know that we don't
have you all night, so why don't
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you go ahead and let everybody
know where they can find
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everything?
Allie Walker?
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Where can they follow you?
Where can they come visit all of
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your work?
Website handles.
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All that good stuff.
OK, yeah, go to
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alliewalkerofficial.com and you
can go to Amazon and look up the
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Light Runner. 3 words, The Light
Runner by Allie Walker.
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And I hope, I hope you guys like
it.
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Oh, it's.
On one to no clue.
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Oh, I pinned the Amazon link in
the twitch chat for anybody
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who's listening right now.
I know that you've I've already
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00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,720
got confirmation that there's
been a few purchases tonight.
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So I think you're.
Crazy.
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What are these people saying?
No, I don't.
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No shadow band, I don't.
I really don't.
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I'm cool with whatever I've been
around a long time.
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I'm really, it's not my first,
you know, but you gotta just
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gotta be Love is the number one
energy.
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Love, love is the frequency we
we all need to be on.
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That's the frequency everybody
needs to get on. 100% no we we
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just we like to give each other
crap in the in the chat.
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So please, you know.
This is honestly, this was a
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very tame episode.
This is very nice.
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Sorry, no.
No, Mom, what do you want from
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me?
Ali, this was an absolute
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pleasure.
I really do appreciate you
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taking the time and visiting us.
This was great.
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I can't wait.
I got my my copy showing up
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tomorrow in in the mail and I
I'll write you a nice review and
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oh, you're so.
Sweet.
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Thank you so much.
OK this.
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This episode will go live next
Monday, not tomorrow, but the
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Monday after that, and we'll
post it on all our socials and
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tag you once the recording is
done.
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If you could just hang back for
just a second so I can make sure
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I have all the audio downloaded.
OK.
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Jeff, you have anything to put
out before we go?
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No, I appreciate you coming on,
Allie.
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It's like I said, it's it's an
honor to meet you.
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So this is pretty.
Sick you guys to have me.
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00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,520
Thank you so much.
Absolutely.
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For those of you that are
subscribed to our Patreon, the
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Rio Tatsuki episode will go live
June 11th.
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All right, that has been all
that has been another episode of
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the Infinite Rabbit Hole
podcast.
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I'm your host, Jeremy.
Thank you, everybody.
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We'll see you right here in the
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Infinite Rabbit Hole.
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