234. Paul Vecchiet 2: Disclosure Paradox & the ET Shroud of Turin Theory

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Imagine that this line
represents a time present, 1985

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Future Past.
Prior to this point in time,

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somewhere in the past the
timeline you moved into this

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tangent, creating a water in
1985 alternate you need.

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Welcome back to The Infinite
Rabbit Hole.

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I'm your host, Jeremy, and
tonight we have a return guest.

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We got Paul, Vicki Yet, who is
back to talk about his second

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book.
The first time we had him, we

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had him back in February where
he talked about his book The

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Disclosure Paradox, which was a
book that talked about, well, a

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lot of stuff.
Mostly, well, I can't even say,

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mostly because it was really
just a grab bag of a ton of shit

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to be honest with you.
If you were here to to listen to

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the conversation that we had,
you know that we touched a

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little bit on the alien
disclosure, the Akashic records,

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out of body experiences.
There was quite a bit that we

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that we jumped into the
conversation got pretty deep.

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We did have a little bit of
technical difficulties, but

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seems to be that that has been
fixed.

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So it looks like we got Paul all
to ourselves tonight and he is

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going to talk to us about the
sequel to his book today.

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So if it this conversation is
anything like the last one, it's

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going to be crazy.
So go ahead, Paul, go ahead and

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give us the spiel about what
we're in for tonight.

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And welcome back to Infant
Rabbit Hole.

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Sure, we can go a little bit on
the overview of the the first

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novel.
The reason that I write science

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fiction on these topics is to
get people who otherwise would

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not read about these topics in
non fiction.

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There are so many books out
there on UFOs and

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extraterrestrials and, and
people with spiritual

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experiences and there are many
books out there about the

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shroud.
And then the people that need to

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read that won't read it because
they have certain biases or they

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have certain beliefs.
So I try to attract those

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readers with science fiction and
and that's what I did with the

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first book and that's what I'm
doing with the second book.

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Now, the shroud, you're talking
about the Shroud tour.

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Yes.
All right, all right.

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So that's let's let's OK.
So that's a completely different

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Ave. than the first place.
Right.

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However, the link is about
Dulce, for example, because my

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hypothesis about Dulce was that
they were investigating our

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Physiology and they were testing
our blood and they were looking

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for DNA stuff in our DNA.
And the, the premise behind the

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novel is that they failed.
They, they failed to find what

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they were looking for.
I have a hypothesis about, about

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these malevolent beings.
I've I've heard testimony that

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they do not know what love is.
They can't even synthesize it.

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So what if they're looking for
something in our DNA that makes

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us love?
And why would they do that?

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Because the benevolent beings
use love as a signature when

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they greet each other in
distance, in in space and craft.

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In other words, they're
telepathic.

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They don't use radio radio like
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It's all with the mind.
So the hypothesis what if the

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malevolent ones can actually
synthesize love, use it as a way

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to fool the benevolent ones and
then ambush them?

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And that's what the premises
behind the second book, they

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failed to find that out in our
DNA in Dulce.

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And so they realize that there's
another source for that, for

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that kind of DNA.
And that is in the shroud of

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Turin, where you have Jesus's
blood and you know, he, he's a

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hybrid, he's human and then part
benevolent entity.

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And they want that to to copy
for their own to to weaponize

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over.
So that's that's the Lincoln in

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in the two books DNA.
So take a step back there,

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something that we really haven't
dove into very much in in this

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podcast as of yet is the allure
of Dolce New Mexico, right?

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So I just want to take a step
back there and and kind of bring

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everybody in on the the mystery
behind that.

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So Dolce is it?
It's the weird of the weird,

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really.
There's a a lot of conspiracy or

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theories about what what's going
on there.

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Basically, it's tough to
actually talk about where it's

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where to start, right?
The the gist.

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Yeah, go ahead.
You want to.

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Think that.
Go ahead.

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Yeah.
So the reason I, I have that in

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there, just like all of the
testimony I got from people that

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I've met over the years, I, I
happen to have contact with,

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with a woman whose mother was
CIA.

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And before this woman, this
mother passed away, she gave her

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documents that she felt needed
to be passed on and not

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destroyed.
And they were documents about

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Dulce, NM and the autopsies of
Grace.

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So I use that information in in
my novel I read, I read those

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documents and it's quite
compelling.

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Obviously coming from the that
source, I feel that there's some

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validation there.
And the interesting thing about

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Dulce is it's on a, an Indian
Reservation and a Hickory Apache

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reservation.
The Nate, the natives there,

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the, the people that live there
and their lore actually has

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something about spiritual
activity that they, they, they

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find either, you know, lights
going up in the sky from this

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Mesa or sounds or, or something.
And they attribute it to to

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spirituality or to their, their
origin.

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And since it is a very sacred
area to them, they kind of act

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like bouncers.
So they keep people away and it

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and, and it's very convenient
for who is really there, which

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is a reptilian race.
And then later on when we, we

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made a, a deal, not us, but the
military industrial complex made

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a deal with them.
They made an addition to that.

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So it's a joint reptilian and
mercenary base.

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It's not as active as it was in
the 70s when, when they were

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doing all the abductions because
things have died down.

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And I think it's probably
because they're failing in, in

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trying to find out what they're
looking for.

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But it's it's there.
You're muted, Jeremy.

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Yeah, you were muted.
Look at that.

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It's like, I haven't done this
before.

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There's there's a lot of stuff
from from way, way back, but

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there's also a lot of lot of
recent stuff too.

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Everything from finding great
aliens in in the caverns when

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when they were digging.
You know a dumb a deep

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underground military base,
whispers of secret dulce base

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under Arkleva Mesa.
They feel tons of wild

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conspiracies.
Basically picture A7 story

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underground lab where the
government and aliens allegedly

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craft human alien hybrids right.
This all kicked off in the 70s

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basically with cattle
mutilations, right?

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There was a state trooper out
there, I think his name was Gabe

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Valdez, who was witnessing or
being reported that there was

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tons of UFOs and cattle
mutilations.

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And he started recognizing that
a lot of these cows were sliced

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very cleanly.
Blood strained, odd fetuses were

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found.
And then you had physicists like

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Paul Benowitz who claimed that
aliens were sending signals from

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there and to there in the 90s,
Phil Schneider said he fought

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Gray aliens there.
He lost fingers before he died

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in 1996.
Locals reported strange lights

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and and helicopters, right?
The the black copters the the

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the stealth silent H60
Blackhawks if you will.

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Some say a mountainside opens
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Skeptics call it a cover for
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May be linked to even nuclear
projects in like the 60s.

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No proof of this ever exists,
but Dulce UFO conference, which

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is held I think annually, keeps
everything alive because people

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flock there all the time.
And this stuff continues to, to,

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to basically grow in the, in
the, in the, in the Petri dish

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that is conspiracy.
There's a lot of interesting

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stuff in, in Dulce, right?
In fact, I mean Dulce was around

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before the likes of like
Skinwalker Ranch right?

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I mean like you said, there was
stories of weird shit happening

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there back in in the times of
the natives.

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I mean similar with Skinwalker
Ranch, but the the amount of

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information coming out of that
area was much more prevalent

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than it was in the UN to basin
like in Skinwalker Ranch.

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I got a question about that.
Was Dulce one of the ones you

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guys familiar with?
Phil Schneider?

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Yeah, I just mentioned.
Phil Schneider Oh, sorry, I was.

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I was reading something else.
So he was one of the apparently,

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right.
He was one of the guys who was

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helping build Dulce back in the
day or his company.

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He was definitely a part of
Dulce.

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He was he.
He was one of the guys that dug

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and came across those those
creatures on the crown, right.

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Yeah, like apparently, you know,
he had the company that or a

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company that was assisting in a
lot of those dumb constructions

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and yeah, like when they would
dig down into the earth in these

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spots, cause of course they put
these bases in specific

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locations, right?
That and at least one of them,

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if not more than one, they came
across like underground caverns

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that were like already there
with beings inside.

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And apparently, yeah, that's how
his hand got all deformed,

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because apparently, like, they
got into Dolce.

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Was the area where that
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That was OK.
That's what I was wondering, if

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that was the spot.
OK.

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Yep, Yep.
Sorry, I was reading something

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else when you were talking about
that so I didn't catch you

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talking about him so.
Yep.

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So now.
We're tracking.

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Tracking, yeah.
I just wanted to to make sure

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everyone was kind of on track of
how important that that place is

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or how how important that may be
to your story.

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I don't know the story yet.
I haven't had a chance to read a

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book, but when somebody mentions
Dulce, it tends to be a

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highlighted place.
So I just want to make sure

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because we haven't really dove
into the lore and everything

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behind Dulce here on Infinite
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We should, we really should
because it's absolutely

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fascinating.
But I just wanted to take a

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second there and make sure
people understood what what you

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were implying with that.
Sure, OK.

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Jeff, did you have anything
there, bud?

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No, no, I mean, I'm, I'm curious
to get into like some of the

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Shroud of Turin stuff, to be
honest with you, because I have

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my own thoughts about that
personally.

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But yeah, I'm, I'm stoked to get
into that so.

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Well, let's Paul.
Yeah.

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What do you where?
Where do you want to take us

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next, man?
Well, all right, so the the

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first book is almost like a an
autobiography and there are a

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couple things that I want people
to take away from it.

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It's called the disclosure
paradise because I feel that

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disclosure will lead to
something that is not

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anticipated, which is the
paradox.

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I feel that the reason that
governments have been slow on

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disclosure is that they've been
warned by entities that

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disclosure will lead to
unacceptable events.

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And their concern, the NTS are
concern, is that it would lead

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to contact, which will lead to a
technological exchange.

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And because of the negative
forces that are on this planet,

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greed, lack of ethics that will
combine to take that technology,

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weaponize it, and then we would
use it against them.

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So that's what they're concerned
about and that's what the story

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really is in the disclosure
Paradox.

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That's why I call it that.
There are a couple, I guess,

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tenets that that I want the
readers to understand if we're

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talking spiritually, and that is
that others have a greater

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impact on our lives than we have
on ourselves.

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And that I do explain the the
concept of fate and destiny and

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that it it is real.
Everyone has a role to play.

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Some are larger than others.
And I think I feel that that my

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role was actually talking about
the, the what would I, I am

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talking about in this in the
second book, which is getting

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people to learn more about the
Shroud of Turin.

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So what happens in the second
book is a conspiracy to steal

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the Shroud of Turin.
It's a a plan with an insider in

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the Vatican and he teams up with
a malevolent force.

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I called him the Archons.
They are like demons and they

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want to get a hold of the, the
DNA.

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The, the thing about the, the
relationship between the, the

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Archons and the shroud is that
even if you mention the name of

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Jesus, it, it terrifies them.
So they can't even touch

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anything that that Jesus has
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And that's why they needed a
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So the, the book starts out with
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murder is of a, a war buddy from
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And that is the, the Ranger, a
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So that's how the book starts.
And he goes to the Vatican and,

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and teams up with Interpol with
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They help him out to, to get
into the Vatican to seek out who

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was responsible for the death of
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That's, that's pretty much the
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But there's, there's a very
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there.
And so Robert Ladd starts out as

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an atheist, but because of what
happens to him and his visions

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that he's get while he's in a
coma because he's attacked with

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nerve agent, much like the nerve
agent attack of the the British

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in 2018 by the Russians.
If you call that, I kind of

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follow, follow that.
And I and I researched that.

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So I made sure I was doing
everything right in the story.

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But there there's an entire
chapter in that second book on

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the facts that authenticate the
shroud.

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And that's why a foreign
bendicting monk actually has

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he's written the foreword for
that novel for me.

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Now I got to tell you something
though.

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I had no intention of writing
this book because the first two

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books that I, that I self
published first, they didn't do

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too well.
So what happened was that this

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former Benedicti monk saw it in
the Internet.

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He, he looked for a book that
was about extraterrestrials and

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spirituality, and he found the
first book, The Disclosure

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Paradox, and he liked it.
And then he friended me and he,

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he told me, you know what's
missing from this book?

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Is the Shroud of Turin and I
didn't think much about it and

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he started to send me documents,
research papers from all over

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the world about the Shroud of
Turin on every discipline,

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botany, forensics, hematology,
archaeology, all of that.

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And it started to interest me
because I was fascinated by all

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the things that was
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And so I decided to write a, an
outline, gave it to him, he

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liked it.
And then I wrote the manuscript

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six months after I wrote the
outline and I sent it to him and

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he liked it to the point where
he's actually written the

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foreword for it.
And it was this book that

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actually got the attention of a
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And when they found out that I
had two other books in the

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series that I self published,
they wanted to see those, they

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liked them, we reworked them.
And that's why the first one was

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published again in February of
this year.

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So this one is actually a third
book, but it's actually a sequel

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to to the second one.
The second book was a prequel to

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the first one.
So it kind of goes back to my,

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you know, my hypothesis about
the roles that we have, the

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people that we meet, the, the
fate and destiny.

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There's so many things that had
to happen for me to get to the

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point where I'm talking to you
right now that it's, it's not

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coincidence there.
There was obviously a plan in in

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place.
So question for you, when it

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comes to the shroud itself, do
you believe that it is like

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legit, that it's actually like?
Yeah.

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OK, because I've always been
kind of iffy.

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I haven't done a lot of research
on that particular item, right?

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Personally, I'm familiar with it
to an extent, but I've also in

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my conspiracy travels, right?
I've, I've always come across

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those guys who claim that the
depiction of Jesus that we all

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know of, like what he looks
like, is actually a depiction of

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Pope Alexander the Sixth son,
right?

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Have you heard this before?
No.

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So Pope Alexander the 6th was
known as like the the father of

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Christianity, right during the
Roman Empire.

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And apparently his son is is the
image that we all see as Jesus,

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right?
He used, like, his own son's

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likeness when they started,
like, you know, printing these

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books, if you will, and like,
drawing all these depictions of

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Jesus back in the medieval
times, right?

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Those medieval times, he said,
is is like a century.

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Yeah, yeah.
It's like 13th century or

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something like that.
It's so it's a few 100 years,

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you know, or quite a long time
actually.

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It's like 1314, hundred years
after the time of Jesus.

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So now I know that there is like
some forensic evidence and like

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carbon dating and things like
that.

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Well from what I understand the
carbon dating of the shroud goes

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back to like 13 something.
Correct.

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Yeah.
And I have a explanation on

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that.
Yeah, well, I don't trust carbon

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dating personally.
I've talked about this on the

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show 1000 times.
I think carbon dating is a

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complete lie.
So I don't really, I don't

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really buy into that too much.
But yeah, I'm just kind of

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curious on your, you know, like
where you fall on that, you

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know?
Yeah.

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All right, so the Shroud has
gone through three known

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identities.
It was.

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Well, first of all, it was the
original linen that Jesus was

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wrapped in.
Second, it became the image of

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Odessa.
Third, it became the Mendelian.

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And 4th finally it, it was the
shroud.

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OK, 4-4 different identities,
same thing.

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The image of Odessa, someone in
around 5:30 AD took the linen,

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folded it, put it in like a
pillowcase with a hole in it

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and, and stored it and, and that
was the image of Odessa.

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Odessa actually is right now the
city is called Ur.

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And what happened was that this
was because of Persian armies,

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because of, of Islamic
invasions.

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The this image, which was about
Christ's face, actually, because

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they didn't know it was the body
was in this image, they would

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protect it and take it to places
where Christianity was

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prevalent.
And in one place it's called

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Ravena in Italy.
And in Ravena you have what's

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called.
There are mosaics and the style

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of the art is called Christ
Pentacador, and what that is is

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it shows his face with the Halo
and the face is exactly as the

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image I shot, complete with the
trauma on the nose from the

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broken nose and you know,
everything else.

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The artist actually literally
took the hole in that linen and

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put it on that mosaic and that's
the first time that we see the

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Halo.
So the Halo came from people

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seeing his face in in that like
case.

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So your point about the the son
of of the Pope is flawed there

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because his image actually
appears in 530 AD in in a mosaic

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in Ravenna.
Now regarding the regarding the

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carbon dating, the reason that
the carbon dating was flawed,

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you know, and there are many
hypotheses.

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One was that they took a patch
from the Middle Ages.

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One is that the the air that
they took was damaged from the

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fire.
They took it from a very end of

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the cloth.
Now, what causes that date is

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what caused the image of the
shroud.

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And that image was made from
radiation because the blood, if

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you it, they, if you look at the
the fibers on the linen,

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wherever there's blood, the
fibers are saturated.

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But wherever the image appears,
you only have the very edges of

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the fibers that are impacted.
And the hypothesis is that the

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image was made like by a
radiological event and the

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radiation impacted the the
composition of the linen thereby

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causing the false readings on
the carbon dating.

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There is a nuclear scientist,
his name is Robert Rucker, and

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he came up with the theory that
if you took carbon dating from

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the shroud and you made a graph
that would show the dates, he

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showed that if you took the
carbonating from the strongest

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point, which is the his torso,
the date of the linen would be

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in the fifty, 50th century AD.
So that's called the cart

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absorption hypothesis.
Gotcha.

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Interesting.
Yeah.

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I mean, I, I buy those
explanations in the one about,

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you know, the Pope's son.
Honestly, I, I've never really

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knew how to feel about that,
although I thought that was an

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interesting theory, that it was
the Pope's son's depiction that

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is Jesus.
But I'm not, I'm not tied to it

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in any way.
So I'm tracking with you.

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I've never heard the thing about
the Pope's son, and it might be

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the same guy, but I I've heard
something about like a Caesar

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Borgia, sort of Borgia.
Yeah, that's that's who that is.

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It's the same guy.
Yeah, it's the same guy.

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So, yeah, you know, I'm, I'm
always the one that's quick to

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say that the elites will like
invert or pervert information

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just to like throw the rest of
us off.

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And that can very well be an
example of that where it wasn't

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really the depiction of his Son
that we all see as Jesus, but

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that they told us that it was
the depiction of his Son just to

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kind of, you know, muddy the
waters, if you will.

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So I'm with it.
Yeah, I don't know too much

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about the Shroud, to be honest
with you, to even hold a candle

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in this conversation.
Yeah, I didn't want to derail

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too much, but, you know, I was
curious about your thoughts on

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that.
But no, that that's that's cool.

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I like that.
Yeah, the, the one hypothesis I

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have about why the Vatican is
not acknowledging the shroud as

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authentic.
It is actually.

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There's a there's a good reason
for it and there's there's two

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elements that contribute to
that.

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The Vatican want they they want
to protect the shroud.

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They want to protect the shroud
from extremists who would be

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insulted by the Vatican saying
that the shroud is real and that

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there was a resurrection and
that Jesus Christ was more than

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just a prophet.
And then the other is that there

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are very wealthy people that
have strong Christian background

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that would like to have that and
not only have it, but they would

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probably break it apart and sell
it off to the highest bidders.

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So there are the, the Vatican is
strong about that and they

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maintain that there is no object
that they will authenticate

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because it's about faith.
It's not about proof, it's not

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about evidence.
And and that's the way they

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stand on it, but I feel that
they're actually protecting the

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Shroud for for those reasons.
I can see that.

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And my conspiracy brain also
throws in that that third option

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to like a lot of people say that
the, the Vatican is no longer

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what it used to be, right?
There's there's bad actors now

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that run the Vatican.
So there could be something,

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something there too, right?
Like they just don't even want

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to go there because they know
it's true, you know, I mean,

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but.
Yeah, I have a chapter where

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Robert Ladd has a meeting with
the chief of staff of the

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Vatican and they kind of share
secrets and the Vatican knows

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about the Archons and but they
don't know that, you know, they

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call them the Archons and.
And so, you know, Robert Ladd

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tells them what happened, how
they were able to save the

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shroud.
And it's a very interesting

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chapter because it the reader
kind of gets an idea that these

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guys are actually hiding
something from us.

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But then you get to understand
why they are hiding for it.

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I mean, they have, they have a,
an office that is solely

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responsible for investigating,
you know, people that have had

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visions or visitations claim to
have, you know, some sort of

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spiritual event happened to
them.

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And they call, they call that
office the, the, the office of

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Die Castries.
But the one thing that I've,

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I've studied in and researched
is that they are very slow to

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authenticate those experiences.
And that is to protect the

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people themselves rather than to
to hide the the facts.

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That makes sense.
Yeah, Jeremy, you got to read

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David Icke's book, man, because
he talks all about these

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Archons.
Dude, remember I was talking to

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you about the Archons a couple
weeks ago?

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Yeah.
Right.

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So it's it's a whole thing, man,
but.

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Yeah, I think that the gargoyles
that are shown on Gothic

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churches, I think those are
depictions of the Archons.

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So a little little off topic,
but yeah, since since your, you

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know, your last book kind of
delved into a lot of different

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stuff and you're already at the
Vatican, do you do you touch on

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the Cronovisor at all?
The the What Journal?

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00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,679
The Cronovisor father Arnetti's
Cronovisor.

449
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:31,159
I'm not familiar with that.
No, OK, we'll we'll we'll pass

450
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:35,520
that.
I was just curious, do you go,

451
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,440
do you go into the talk about
the archives and everything?

452
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,760
Oh, the Vatican archives.
Yeah.

453
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,920
It's briefly mentioned in that
one chapter where Robert and the

454
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,679
Cardinal are are talking and
sharing secrets.

455
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:58,160
Yeah.
Chronovisor is a legendary

456
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,760
supposedly non existent device
created by Italian physicist and

457
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:08,240
and Benedict Tin priest Father
Pellegrino Ernet Ernetti which

458
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:11,840
was which was claimed to allow
people to view past events like

459
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,280
a time television by capturing
residual electromagnetic echoes

460
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,120
from space-time.
While Ernetti claimed it showed

461
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,880
historical moments like the
crucifixion of Jesus Christ and

462
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,200
was hidden in the Vatican, there
is no specific evidence.

463
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:27,200
It's said to.
Be in the.

464
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:31,360
It's said to be in the Vatican
archives and it, it literally

465
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,840
supposedly just looks like a, a
tablet, like a, like a little

466
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,960
electronic tablet that you can
view any point in historical

467
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,800
past.
You can watch any event.

468
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,360
And that, you know, you, you get
a whole bunch of people that are

469
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,040
coming out now that you have
quantum, quantum physics right

470
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,200
at the, the cusp of, of, of
science or at the frontier of

471
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:05,120
science and quantum entanglement
really being looked at And, and

472
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,600
the, the true nature of that
concept being discovered.

473
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,800
They're now they're saying that
Father and Eddie's Chronovisor

474
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:22,000
could potentially have been a
real thing if they had, if they

475
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:29,000
had some sort of inside Intel of
how quantum entanglement worked.

476
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,440
Which they most certainly would
have, right?

477
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:36,080
Like the Vatican is one of the
most powerful institutions in

478
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,720
the world, right?
So I would argue that just like

479
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:41,280
we talked about the military
industrial complex has

480
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,840
technologies 30 years ahead of
the public, I would argue the

481
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,520
Vatican probably does too.
So I can see that being.

482
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,880
Yeah, at this point.
Yeah, this is this book right

483
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,240
here.
It's no shit paid paid over $100

484
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:58,760
for this stupid book.
I I say stupid book only because

485
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,480
I paid over $100 for it, but
it's a phenomenal book.

486
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:09,560
So are we talking, you know,
advanced technology or he did he

487
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:18,000
actually invent that?
Well, it, it was I, I, I don't

488
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,440
want to get too far off track.
I don't want to get too far off

489
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:23,920
track.
We, I can, I can kind of fill

490
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:29,080
you in off the bit, you know, I
want to make sure I'm not taking

491
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,080
away from your book, man.
I just want, I just want to know

492
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,800
if you, if you touched on it or
not.

493
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:39,000
But you should definitely look
into the the Chronovisor if if

494
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,640
it's something that you haven't
in the past and this book if

495
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:49,960
you're interested in it.
It's by Peter Kurasa and the

496
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,080
only place I could find it is on
eBay.

497
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:55,400
Hey, well, you know your
question, Paul, like did he

498
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,280
invent it or was it advanced
technology?

499
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,880
I mean, if you know, when you
kind of understand how these are

500
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:04,920
conic entities operate and how
they they utilize human beings

501
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,640
for a lot of their, you know,
happenings in like 3D World,

502
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,080
right in our in our reality,
then both of those things could

503
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,440
be true actually, right.
He could have invented it and

504
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,040
also it's advanced technology
and also it's, you know, given

505
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,520
to him by our contact.
That's actually where.

506
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,880
That's where I kind of came up
with the idea to ask the

507
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:32,560
question was because of the our
cons and the the Vatican.

508
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,800
And I was like, oh man, this
kind of sounds like a corona

509
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,240
like there's a tie into the
corona visor here.

510
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,640
And I was I was debating on
whether or not I wanted to ask

511
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:46,120
you it because I didn't want to,
to, to like to, to kill any

512
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,680
spoilers or anything.
But here I'll I just for shits

513
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,760
and giggles, I, I just.
Want to million things we could

514
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,600
go on about the Vatican man I
mean like let's be real there

515
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,120
that you know it's a it's a
spooky place right like all the

516
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,920
stuff that they got going on and
the you know Lucifer telescope

517
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,480
and all these types of things so
you you know you could go on for

518
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,040
hours about the Vatican but.
But like it's, it's

519
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,360
legitimately, it's legitimately
over $100 book.

520
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,800
My goodness.
Like there's only one on eBay

521
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,520
right now, it's 150 bucks.
It's amazing.

522
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:28,360
Yeah, it's it's silly.
Yeah.

523
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,440
Anyways, carry on Paul with the
story.

524
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,160
We both just totally derailed
you so.

525
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,840
Sorry.
Sorry man, welcome to the rabbit

526
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,920
hole.
Yeah, he's used.

527
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,360
To it, that's he we did.
That's literally getting into

528
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,080
the rabbit hole, isn't it?
We we did A2 in one in February

529
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,560
too.
Yeah.

530
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,400
Shall I explain to you a little
bit about the the the image

531
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,920
itself and what it would take to
actually?

532
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,920
Like copy this.
This is your, this is your show

533
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,600
man.
You you do whatever you want.

534
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,840
This is this.
Is your show if you want to.

535
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,520
You want to talk about the
shroud, you talk about the

536
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:09,440
shroud.
You want to talk about your

537
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:10,280
book?
You talk about your book.

538
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:11,440
You want.
Whatever you want to do, man,

539
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,280
you're the guest.
This is a chapter that that that

540
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,840
got the attention of the, you
know of that.

541
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,320
His name is Joe Marino.
He's written 99 books on the

542
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,920
Shroud.
He's the president of the the

543
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,880
Shroud Education and Research
Association.

544
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:33,960
He's, he's got a, a website.
He, he is very well known in the

545
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:40,320
circles in Catholicism and in
the shroud enthusiasts.

546
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,960
And I'm very fortunate that that
he actually, you know, endorsed

547
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:52,040
my, my novel.
The one thing is that in 2011

548
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:58,160
the Italian National Agency for
New technologies hypothesized

549
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,880
that the the conception of a
mechanism to simulate the

550
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,240
process done to make the image
on the shroud.

551
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,040
And they concluded that it
require a high number of

552
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,440
individually calibrated micro
lasers to make the

553
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,680
three-dimensional image.
Because that's what you have.

554
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,480
You have a three-dimensional
image of a of a of a person.

555
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,600
The amount of energy to power
those lasers will be equivalent

556
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:31,400
to 34 trillion watts applied at
140 thousandth of a second to

557
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,720
preclude damage from excessive
heat.

558
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,800
We don't have that technology.
Our strongest laser is 8 billion

559
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:42,920
watts.
So it you have to understand

560
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:47,920
that there's something
otherworldly about this, this

561
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:59,840
relic, you know?
Yeah, I mean, it's, it's

562
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,600
definitely, it's definitely a
good mystery.

563
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:06,440
I, it's one of the few rabbit
holes I haven't really gone

564
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,680
down.
So I, I don't have really much

565
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,880
to stand on here with you.
There's there's things in the

566
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:17,840
Vatican that I have looked into,
obviously Chronovisor being one

567
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:22,520
of them.
The, the shroud is

568
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,640
unfortunately, it's just not one
of them, man.

569
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:29,240
I, I, I don't really have much
to to speak on with it.

570
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,600
Yeah, unfortunately it's pretty
amazing that a lot of lay people

571
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:40,320
really don't understand just all
of the the facts about the

572
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,040
shroud.
You know that there are, they've

573
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:48,640
identified, you know, 58 pollen
that are from the Middle East

574
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,240
and you know, Constantinople at
that.

575
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:58,840
Now it's in Istanbul.
The there is a pollen that

576
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,160
appears where the head is and
it's called Bendelia.

577
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,720
And if you look up Bendelia,
it's a thorn Bush in the Middle

578
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:09,760
East.
And that was the thorns were

579
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,560
used to make his crown of
thorns.

580
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:22,480
And you know, yeah, there it is.
You can see all of the marks on

581
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:29,800
his back are from a tool that
the the Romans used called a

582
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,480
flagellum.
And where is it?

583
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:37,840
There were three lead balls that
were attached to leather straps

584
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:46,800
on a, on a stick and they would
use that to whip the victim.

585
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,600
And, and you could tell that
there were two people that were

586
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:57,600
applying that force on his back
and, and on the back of his, his

587
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:04,880
legs and his glutes.
And then, you know, when they,

588
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:10,240
they show the crucifixion, they
show that his, the nails go

589
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:12,120
through his hands.
But that's not the case.

590
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:17,760
If you look at his wrist, they
actually nailed his wrist and

591
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,000
you could see the blood stained
on his wrist.

592
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:26,440
And the ankles as well.
Yeah, yeah.

593
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:31,960
There was a a corner from Los
Angeles that wrote an entire

594
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:39,160
essay where he did a report on
on the victim in on the Shroud.

595
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:46,680
And, and he was actually able to
to recognize that the blood

596
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:52,240
stains on his arms are from a
victim that was suspended with

597
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:58,440
his arms at 65° and that the
blood trickle down the arms.

598
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:07,040
So is it possible that it that
the shroud is of somebody else

599
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,960
who was crucified at around the
same time?

600
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:22,960
Well, I there there's an awful
lot of of testimony about, you

601
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:28,040
know, Jesus's walk with the
cross.

602
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,640
If the one of the things that
the coroner's found is that on

603
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,840
his shoulder there are marks,
rubbing marks that appear to be

604
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:45,320
coming from a very heavy object
burying on his shoulders and

605
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:52,040
they crucified him with nails.
The the other two people that

606
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,280
the the thieves were not nailed
to to the cross.

607
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,200
They were roped on the cross.
He was the only one that they

608
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:05,240
nailed.
Was crucifixion, I don't know

609
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:07,440
enough about this personally,
but was crucifixion like a

610
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:12,160
common practice in that time,
like for for criminals or, you

611
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,360
know, and was nailing them to
the cross?

612
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,800
Was Jesus like the only one or
was that like a rare exception?

613
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,160
Like where most people tied to
the cross and and did nobody

614
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,960
else carry their own cross to
their to the location?

615
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,720
Was that like strictly Jesus,
right?

616
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,680
They treated him that way
because he was saying that he

617
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,360
was the Son of God.
So they made him do things that

618
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:45,960
were inhuman and they they
treated him as someone beyond

619
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,560
human.
So he got like, he got like the

620
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,320
worst of it, worse than just
like your run-of-the-mill.

621
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,520
I got you.
OK, now fair enough.

622
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:58,000
Let me preface this guys, I'm
not Catholic, I'm not Christian,

623
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:04,280
I am spiritualist, but so I
don't believe that Jesus was the

624
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,320
son of God.
I believe that he was the son of

625
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,800
somebody.
And I believe that he was sent

626
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,480
for a reason that was different
than what the Catholics say he

627
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,800
was.
And I also feel that he was put

628
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:22,440
to death for a certain reason
beyond what they say too.

629
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:31,400
So I want to make it clear that
I'm not pontificating here about

630
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:38,560
the the actual faith.
I'm just presenting evidence and

631
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:45,720
getting people to think about
this person that was crucified,

632
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:56,600
that going not exactly in the
steps that that Catholics and

633
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:05,520
the Christians would want us to.
Fair enough to get outside the

634
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,040
box.
Yeah, not fair enough.

635
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,040
I I can appreciate that thought
actually.

636
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:19,280
Because they won't listen to me.
I, I, I feel that that Jesus was

637
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:25,680
actually a result of artificial
insemination and that, you know,

638
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,840
when he was crying out to his
father, he's crying out to

639
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:32,880
somebody.
Obviously that was high in in

640
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:38,000
the hierarchy of of the entities
that he was a part of.

641
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:50,200
And I feel that the that the
shroud is actually part of the

642
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:55,280
reason that he died that for us
to, you know, kind of leave in a

643
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,200
signature for us.
And I feel that in the future,

644
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:05,920
what if we were to able to
harvest his DNA and use it to

645
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:11,240
repair our own DNA, which I say
is flawed in my first book.

646
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:18,160
That's the link there too.
You know, that's an interesting

647
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,320
thought too, because, you know,
I'm not necessarily a religious

648
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:26,320
person myself, but you know what
you just said, there is kind of

649
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:35,080
like a, an alternative theory, I
guess, or prophecy, but still

650
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:38,360
could line up with the actual
prophecy, right?

651
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,920
Like this being was here and it
was here to save us.

652
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:47,280
And if that's how it's done
right via DNA and and all that,

653
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,720
then like the, the, the end goal
still happens.

654
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,760
It just doesn't happen quite the
way that people have kind of

655
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:56,920
thought it was going to happen
for the last 2000.

656
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,440
Years now here's here's a couple
facts.

657
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,320
All right, here's a couple
facts. 1 is that I learned that

658
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,640
there are 376 verses in the New
Testament that mention his

659
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,280
blood.
I don't think that's a

660
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:09,760
coincidence.
I don't think that's an

661
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,960
accident.
I think there's something to it.

662
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,360
I think that there was a, you
know, something to emphasize

663
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,680
there.
And when he said that his blood

664
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,640
will wash away the sins of the
earth, I took that literally.

665
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:22,720
I didn't take that as a
metaphor.

666
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:27,920
And I actually think that he did
intend to leave his DNA so that

667
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,960
they we could repair our own
DNA.

668
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,440
Yeah, that's interesting.
That's an interesting thought

669
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:39,240
for sure.
Interesting.

670
00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:40,600
Interesting.
Yeah, that's going to make some

671
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,760
religious people a little upset
to hear, you know, there's,

672
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:50,200
there's some in the chat already
that are like heathen, right?

673
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,120
But it's like, chill, chill out,
right?

674
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,280
Yeah.
Yeah.

675
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,680
It it's dangerous to, you know,
to, to be in circles and say

676
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,480
that that Jesus was not the son
of God.

677
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,240
You really get a lot of pushback
from that.

678
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,920
It's probably good that we have
Jeff here today, not Jake, to be

679
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:20,960
honest.
That's AI mean I'm I I don't I

680
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,080
don't have any any room to stand
here, man.

681
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,320
I don't I don't know much about
these topics, but it's it's

682
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,760
definitely an interesting take.
It's a take that I haven't heard

683
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,560
before, which is something that
I like to hear right.

684
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,000
I like to hear these these point
of views.

685
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,760
Right.
Extraterrestrial Jesus is not

686
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,000
something that I thought I was
going to be listening to today.

687
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,320
That is that's new.
That is definitely new.

688
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:50,640
Definitely something that I
wasn't expecting.

689
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,400
I've, I've heard lots of
variations of that, right?

690
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,840
Extraterrestrial Jesus, if you
will, Like I've, I've heard

691
00:51:55,840 --> 00:52:00,440
other theories and, and things
along those lines, but bringing

692
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,320
it like into our future, like
you're talking about, we're like

693
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,200
harvesting that DNA from the
shroud and using that DNA to

694
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,080
repair our DNA, right, to save
us, right?

695
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,880
That's something I haven't heard
before.

696
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,600
That's interesting.
That is interesting.

697
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:19,960
That is interesting.
And I, I think it, I think you,

698
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,480
you touched on something that
I've heard before that makes

699
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,520
sense, right?
The, the shroud definitely has

700
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,160
the imagery of the outline of a
human on it, right?

701
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:33,840
There's a.
Good morning, Outline.

702
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,560
It's got the the entire thing,
Yeah.

703
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,720
It's got the anatomy.
Right, there's wounds,

704
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:39,080
everything.
Yeah.

705
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:46,400
And the best way for that to
imprint itself onto fabric,

706
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:54,080
right, is going to be with with
beta particles or not beta

707
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:58,000
particles, but but gamma, gamma
rays, gamma.

708
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,600
Rays, yeah.
It's going to be gamma rays

709
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,280
because alpha beta particles
wouldn't do that.

710
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:08,160
It would have to be gamma rays.
So it has to be radiation and it

711
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:13,640
has to be gamma rays do.
You remember, I don't know if

712
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,080
you know it, but in the Bible
when he is resurrected and he

713
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:22,800
goes in and he speaks to Mary
and he speaks to Mary Magdalene

714
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,240
when they're outside of the
tomb, he tells them and he's

715
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,440
he's glowing and he tells them,
do not touch me.

716
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:35,560
Do you remember that?
It's in, it's in the in the New

717
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,720
Testament.
So there's something about that,

718
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,280
you know, there's something
about that radiation theory.

719
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,680
Sorry, I'm just taking a note
here.

720
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,480
Yeah, I do.
What?

721
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:01,720
When he was.
It go ahead you.

722
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:07,080
Yeah, when you speak through I,
I, I feel that the word God has

723
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:11,920
been probably bastardized over
time.

724
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:17,760
I feel, I think, you know, when
they they say the word God in an

725
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:23,680
Old Testament, New Testament,
what if actually it refers to a

726
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,000
rank rather than the supreme
being?

727
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,400
What if you know, what if we are
misinterpreting what they're

728
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:39,560
saying about using that word?
That's what I feel because as I

729
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:44,920
mentioned in the first book, I
saw what God is in that

730
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:50,080
meditation, where it is an
energy made of all of the

731
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,480
energies between our lives.
And you know, when the Bible

732
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,960
says that God is within us, God
is around us, That's that's a

733
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:03,320
perfect explanation where it's
in another realm and it's pure

734
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,680
energy.
If you pray to energy, you're

735
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,120
not going to get anything out of
it.

736
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,880
So, so prayer doesn't really
work for that.

737
00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:17,760
And it's, it's nothing more than
a creative energy because

738
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:24,640
thought is what that source is
about and, and thought creates.

739
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:32,080
So those are my thoughts about,
you know, the interpretations of

740
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,880
of classic religions.
I feel that the greatest failure

741
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:44,720
in in human religions and
theology is trying to explain

742
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:51,320
something using only the
knowledge that we have as

743
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,800
humans.
It, you know, it's like using

744
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,960
ape crayons to color your your
calling book.

745
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,840
We're missing.
We're missing information about

746
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,440
actually explaining what you
what, what God is about.

747
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:11,680
And and I feel that seeing that
that meditation that I described

748
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,920
in the first book probably is a
piece of that puzzle.

749
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:19,880
You mute again.
Oh.

750
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,320
I'm sorry I'm just I'm trying to
answer questions on the the

751
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:30,920
TikTok chat too that don't show
up here so I'm trying to keep

752
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,760
them updated as well.
Are there hostile people there?

753
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:35,000
Nope.
Nope.

754
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,840
OK.
No, no.

755
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,080
Surprisingly, I get chewed out
on TikTok every time I go live

756
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:43,640
on TikTok, so I don't do it
anymore.

757
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,720
We do have a few people in the
Twitch chat that are a little, I

758
00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:50,920
wouldn't say perturbed, but you
know, like you said, when you

759
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,680
talk about these types of
things, people who are strong in

760
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,720
their faith, they get a little
uncomfortable or or angry to

761
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:01,000
some extent and listen, that's a
fair just for the people in the

762
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,480
chat like that.
That's fair, right?

763
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,680
Like whatever.
But nobody here is like telling

764
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,440
you what to believe.
Nobody here is challenging your

765
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,480
faith or anything like that.
This is a podcast about fringe

766
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,560
topics and this is a fringe
topic.

767
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,640
So, you know, just take it with
a grain of salt.

768
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,640
And if you're like a hardcore
believer in in whatever faith

769
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:24,240
you follow, like great, good,
you know, like this doesn't this

770
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,040
doesn't have to like compete
with that or like anything like

771
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,280
that.
So I just want to say that for

772
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,720
the people in the chat who are a
little bit uncomfortable with

773
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,840
this conversation, you know?
Yeah.

774
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:37,200
And one, one thing that is
transcends all religions is the

775
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,800
reason that we are here and we
are here to make life better for

776
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,520
others instead of making life
better for ourselves at the

777
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,440
expense of others.
If we, if we just did that, we

778
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,480
would improve spiritually.
And you know, it's our

779
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,840
spirituality that has prevented
us from from being part of the

780
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:57,880
rest of the universal community.
So if we just follow that, which

781
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:02,920
is actually just another set of
words that Jesus actually spoke

782
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:09,640
of in in the New Testament, we
would be able to really improve

783
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:13,120
our spirituality to get us to
the point where where we could

784
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,280
actually join with the rest of
the universe.

785
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:26,520
It's definitely it's, it's, it's
definitely a unique point,

786
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:31,360
right?
It's a just to kind of piggyback

787
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,360
off of what Jeff was saying,
right?

788
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,360
People are, people are going to
listen to this.

789
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,400
This is definitely going to be
probably one of the more

790
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,480
controversial topics that we
brought up on the show.

791
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,800
Well, I mean, we've been having
a good string of them.

792
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:51,720
Like last week we we had a woman
on who brought up some really

793
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,360
dark stuff, right?
Very good.

794
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,320
It was very good story, but it
was really dark, Very, very

795
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,080
dark.
And I had to deal with a lot of

796
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:07,600
the underground dark side of
celebrity life.

797
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,560
Yeah, it was it was pretty
brutal.

798
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,480
And now we've kind of went to
the other side of the spectrum,

799
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:19,560
right?
Where now instead of where we

800
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,600
went from the entertainment
business down to spirituality

801
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:33,120
and we went from the occult and
the entertainment side to

802
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,360
spirituality and
extraterrestrials.

803
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:40,760
And it's flipping them on their
heads here there.

804
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,760
There's going to be some
resistance, right?

805
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,120
But like Jeff was saying, you
know, we, we have this podcast

806
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:55,600
where we talk about French
topics and we're going spectrum

807
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,200
assassin.
He said, Hey, I said spectrum.

808
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:05,800
I did that for you bud.
People are going to get upset.

809
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,880
It's OK.
Right, Wait till next week.

810
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,800
Next week you're going to get
even more upset, dude, when we

811
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:15,200
get into Astro theology, that's
going to piss you guys off, so

812
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:22,440
sit tight.
Yeah, we got, we got, we got, we

813
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,320
got another good one next week.
It's been great.

814
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:33,480
But we, it's normal, Paul, just
roll them in.

815
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:38,480
I mean, a lot of times
controversy brings people,

816
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,400
right?
People want want to be around

817
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,880
the controversy.
If you have an interesting topic

818
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:48,200
to talk about, talk about it.
And this is an interesting

819
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:49,880
topic.
It's going to piss people off.

820
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,760
It's OK, Right?
Yeah.

821
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:58,280
I can tell you that the greatest
pushback that I get on both

822
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:04,600
books, well, the first one more
are from atheists because they,

823
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,720
they don't accept the spiritual
part of our, our, our existence.

824
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,840
They, they don't want to hear
about it.

825
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,920
If you don't have proof, and
there's no way that I could

826
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:18,600
offer proof about what I had in
meditation or my experiences,

827
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:26,640
they won't listen to you.
So I get more support from

828
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:33,920
people that have a religion
because we align as far as

829
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,640
understanding that there is
something beyond what we can see

830
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:44,200
and there's something beyond
that guides us and that there

831
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:52,200
are greater roles to play than
than just our, our life, you

832
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:56,920
know, our our work habits or,
you know, whatever, you know, we

833
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:04,240
have that that keeps us going as
far as just you don't have any a

834
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,640
source of income.
There's as much more than that.

835
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,160
You know, I don't want to like
push this along or something,

836
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,680
anything like that.
But I am also interested in kind

837
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,080
of getting into because at the
very beginning you talked about

838
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,160
the plot of the book, there
being something about they were

839
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:26,760
using the facilities in Dulce to
like harvest our DNA to try to

840
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,720
find this, this love gene or
whatever, right?

841
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:33,280
And unable to do it right.
Could you maybe you get into

842
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,800
that a little bit and how that
kind of ties into the shroud and

843
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,640
stuff, Just in case anybody
missed the very beginning?

844
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:45,640
So in the first book, Mary Ellen
goes to Dulce because she won't.

845
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:49,800
She recognizes that her son is
one of the abductees and he's

846
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:55,200
in, in one of the tubes.
So she comes up with with a, a

847
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:59,720
plot to to get people to go over
there.

848
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:04,680
She finds Katrina, who has
psychokinetic powers.

849
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:12,480
She gets Robert Ladd, who is a,
you know, a Ranger and they are

850
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:21,120
able to, to, to rescue not only
her son, but her and 20 other,

851
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,520
you know, victims that were in
those tubes in, in the

852
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:33,280
laboratory.
And with her help from the

853
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:38,040
Arcturians, who she has a, a
connection with, they

854
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:44,920
essentially beam up all of the
individuals back to, you know,

855
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:49,520
the planet to repair their DNA
because they've been, you know,

856
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:54,640
they've been trying to convert
them into super soldiers or, you

857
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,880
know, doing things that are
inhuman.

858
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:03,160
So one, as I mentioned, one of
her, one of those specimens was

859
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:08,760
her son.
And in the second book we we

860
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:12,840
find out that they contact her
and he's ready to be returned

861
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:20,080
because they repaired his DNA.
So he has memory.

862
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:28,200
He has memory, but it's in his
subconsciousness.

863
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:36,760
He has memory about being in the
tube and seeing and also hearing

864
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:41,440
and feeling the intent of his
captors.

865
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:47,560
And with those clues, they
figure out what was going on in

866
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:51,680
that laboratory.
And at the same time, Mary

867
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:58,880
Allen, who is the mother and
she's a spiritual psychic.

868
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:06,320
She is, she's watching TV and
she sees something about the,

869
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:11,040
the release of the Shroud of
Turin in because it's, it's

870
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,120
about it.
It's near Mardi Gras.

871
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,960
So the news is talking about
that, you know, the Vatican is

872
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,040
going to release the Shroud of
Turin for people to see in

873
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:21,920
public.
And it's be a great event.

874
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:29,520
So she goes into meditation, and
she's allowed to see the shroud

875
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:34,160
in her meditation.
And then she focuses and she

876
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:39,320
sees the blood, and then it gets
closer and magnified, and she

877
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,840
sees the chromosomes and then
finally the DNA.

878
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,320
And then she was brought back
and she doesn't know why she's

879
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:51,360
allowed to see that.
So that's part of the puzzle of

880
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:56,760
the plot.
And you combine that with her

881
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:02,640
taking her son and going to
regressive therapy and learning

882
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,040
about what happened while he was
in captivity.

883
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:11,200
And he tells them that his
captors were frustrated not

884
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:15,800
finding what they were looking
for and just giving up on the

885
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:20,040
test.
And that gets us closer to

886
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:29,880
understanding what the why the
shroud is coveted and why blue

887
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:34,520
blue is the the sun, Why blue
has this this role to play in in

888
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:38,280
the plot.
So that's how I tie in the the

889
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:44,600
first one with the second one.
It's pretty interesting stuff,

890
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:49,920
man.
It's yeah, you they like, like

891
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,160
you said, they're, they're 2
completely different books.

892
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:55,480
But I could see, I could see
where the connection's at, man.

893
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:56,600
Oh.
Yes.

894
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:01,520
Yeah, No, it's it is very
interesting.

895
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,960
I have the first one.
I haven't read it yet.

896
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:06,600
I know I told you I was going
to.

897
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,760
I haven't had a chance to get
through it yet.

898
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:14,360
A lot of a lot of things came
up, but I do have it.

899
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,320
I'm going to get the second one
too, don't worry.

900
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:26,160
But I, I had somebody on TikTok
that just recommended a book and

901
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:27,720
I went, I just went and bought
that one too.

902
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:32,400
It's called God, man, the word
made flesh.

903
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,000
And actually, Jeff, this looks
like it.

904
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:41,440
It might fit really well into
next week's topic with Micah

905
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,320
Dink.
What is it called?

906
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:48,280
Word made flesh.
Word made flesh, yeah.

907
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:55,880
Our God Man, The Word Made Flesh
by George W Carey it it it looks

908
01:07:55,880 --> 01:08:00,240
like it looks like it has an
astrology wheel on the cover.

909
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,240
Oh yeah, that'll fit next week
for sure.

910
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,640
Yeah, yeah.
The the guy that we have next

911
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:11,680
week, Paul has is what what what
is he like an Astro theologist?

912
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,760
He's like one of the biggest
Astro theologists.

913
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:21,520
So his whole thing is that he
basically, he's, let's just use

914
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:26,080
the word decoded, not just the
Bible, but the Quran and the

915
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,880
Torah and all these, these
religious texts.

916
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:34,560
And he's like found correlations
with astrology, if you will,

917
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:36,600
right?
And not like the astrology where

918
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,120
you just go and like, what's my
daily horoscope, but like real,

919
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:44,080
like ancient astrology.
And you know, he, he brings up a

920
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,880
lot of connections where like, I
mean, just like a simple example

921
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:52,840
would be, you know that he rose
after three days, right?

922
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,960
Well, like, then he'll bring up
the situation, well, hey, look

923
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,240
at winter solstice.
The sun hits the lowest point

924
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,920
and it stays at the lowest point
in the sky for three days until

925
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,080
it starts rising again higher
into the sky.

926
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:06,359
So it's just one very basic
example, but he goes really deep

927
01:09:06,359 --> 01:09:11,319
into like the names of things
and, you know, all of the kind

928
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:15,600
of like cryptic messages that
are in theology and how that

929
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,560
ties to theism.
Yeah.

930
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:24,000
OK, Micah's.
Micah's a good a good.

931
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:28,359
But it's going to piss off a lot
of religious folks because, you

932
01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:31,319
know, he, he, he's pretty
hardcore about it too.

933
01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:34,000
He'll, he'll go on a whole long
thing that's like mind blowing.

934
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,920
And then he'll look at the
camera and be like, do you still

935
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:37,080
believe your book?
Like he could?

936
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:42,840
He's kind of abrasive about it.
But you know, what are you

937
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:46,479
going?
To do he's a, he's a person.

938
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:52,279
To to stay curious, to think.
Think outside the box To to

939
01:09:52,279 --> 01:09:58,320
ponder beyond what what they've
been indoctrinated in.

940
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,400
That's all.
Yeah, no, I'm with that 100%,

941
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:05,520
you know, and I'm not one to
like shit on anybody's religion

942
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,680
or anything like that.
You know, I'm not necessarily a

943
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:12,200
religious person, but you know,
and I and I respect people's

944
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:14,560
beliefs, but I'm the same as
you, right?

945
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:16,920
Like I want people to kind of
think outside the box a little

946
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:20,480
bit and consider the possibility
that, hey, that that book,

947
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:24,960
whatever book you follow might
not have all the information,

948
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:26,800
right?
Like there's there's things that

949
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,480
have either been tampered with
or left out or just

950
01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:32,360
misunderstood over time,
mistranslated over time.

951
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:36,200
Like things might not be quite
what you think they are based

952
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:37,920
off of those books, you know,
so.

953
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:43,520
Correct.
I've heard I've been here just

954
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,720
since we're on the topic, man,
there's been a lot of stuff that

955
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:50,920
I've been hearing lately about
like the Book of Enoch, you

956
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,720
know, it, it makes me wish I
knew more about it, but I've

957
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:58,080
been hearing a ton of stuff
about it that's made me really

958
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:01,360
want to dive into it.
Fucking buy it and read it, Mr.

959
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:04,960
Bookman.
Yeah, but I don't I, I, I, I

960
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:08,840
don't know anything else like.
There's also a book of.

961
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:12,560
Enoch or anything man.
There's also a, a book that was

962
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:19,440
redacted that I, I was made note
of and that's the book of

963
01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:24,680
Thomas.
And apparently that is about

964
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:29,800
Thomas's conversation with Jesus
after resurrection and certain

965
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:34,160
things that Jesus told him that
are not in aligned with

966
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:38,320
conventional religion, which is
that there is no heaven, there

967
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:44,640
is no God, and that we are more
spiritual than we realize,

968
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:49,320
things like that.
But it was it was tossed out for

969
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,880
a number of reasons.
One had to do with the quality

970
01:11:55,120 --> 01:12:01,680
of the the words that the other
is that it was written 100 years

971
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:08,280
after the supposed conversation.
So that doesn't sit well with

972
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:11,520
people.
But you know, the books of Luke,

973
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:18,480
not Luke, John and Mark were
written like 88 years after

974
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:25,760
Jesus was crucified.
So there's, we'll never, I think

975
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:34,160
know the, the, the, the truth,
the, the actual accuracy of, of

976
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:37,200
what happened.
I think it's all based on

977
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,720
whoever has control over those
words.

978
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:46,160
Yeah, for sure.
I mean, you know, look, we all

979
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,960
know this, right?
I mean, listen, the events

980
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:53,240
happened so long ago and since
then, there's been so many kings

981
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:57,120
and Queens and popes and rulers
and a lot of information,

982
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:58,920
whether you're talking about the
Bible or not.

983
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:02,920
Just information in general,
especially in those times, was

984
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:07,960
most definitely manipulated to
control people or route people

985
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:09,840
up and get them to go and fight,
right?

986
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:14,120
And like all these types of
things, so is it possible that

987
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:19,080
religious texts were also
tampered with in the same way at

988
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,280
the same time?
I don't see why not, right?

989
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,520
I'm not going to sit here and
say yes, they were, but like

990
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:26,760
you'd be hard pressed to
convince me that they weren't,

991
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:27,800
right?
So.

992
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:32,440
Agree.
Yeah, I don't.

993
01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:36,800
Yeah, I, I wish I had some
again.

994
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:39,200
This is just coming from things
I heard right.

995
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:43,800
But like the King, King James,
didn't you write his version

996
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:49,080
because he wanted to remarry or
something and he had to alter

997
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:52,880
something in in the in the text
to say that it was OK?

998
01:13:54,440 --> 01:13:56,080
Sure.
Who knows, right?

999
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,120
Who knows?
Yeah, that's the whole thing,

1000
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,200
right?
Like none of us were in the

1001
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:02,200
rooms back then.
None of us were in the secret

1002
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:05,400
rooms where they were trying to
figure out like, hey, how are we

1003
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:07,800
going to print this?
You know, because you know, all

1004
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:10,200
these books, you know, and
again, I'm not talking about

1005
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,480
just the Bible, right?
Like any religious text or any

1006
01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:16,440
text period back in those days
before the printing press came

1007
01:14:16,440 --> 01:14:19,280
out, you know, who knows what
they were kind of like

1008
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:21,960
propagating as far as like to
the people.

1009
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,320
And then when the printing press
did come out, there was some

1010
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:27,160
serious conversations and some
back rooms that are like, what

1011
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:31,880
do we print and how do we print
them to distribute them it?

1012
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:37,400
Would be pretty interesting to
it it.

1013
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,440
It would be extremely
interesting, like if somebody

1014
01:14:40,440 --> 01:14:45,120
were to get a hold of a real
time machine, right and go back

1015
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:51,600
and grab one artifact to grab
the one of the original Bibles

1016
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:53,600
and compare it to what we have
now.

1017
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,840
Well, people looked all over the
world for all that stuff, man.

1018
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,880
I mean, like people don't like
to hear this, but like, dude,

1019
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:01,360
what do you think the Nazis were
doing?

1020
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:03,600
They were all over the world
looking for shit.

1021
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,960
They were, they were going to
ancient sites, they were going

1022
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:08,720
to Tibet.
They were going to all these

1023
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:10,560
places and they were looking for
stuff.

1024
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,600
And they probably found some
stuff too, because those guys

1025
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:17,320
were assholes, man.
They, you know what I'm saying?

1026
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,440
So you know, who knows what's in
a vault somewhere?

1027
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:21,640
We don't know.
We have no idea.

1028
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,200
Well, you've heard you heard
about the the Vitas, right?

1029
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:27,600
The the the Hindu Vitas.
They.

1030
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:35,720
Started out as as just stories
that people pass down verbally

1031
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,880
without writing down.
And this was for for

1032
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:41,480
generations.
And then finally someone

1033
01:15:41,480 --> 01:15:43,640
decided, hey, we need to write
this stuff down.

1034
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:50,080
So think about think about the
the difference between what is

1035
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,680
in the writing and what was the
original story.

1036
01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:56,800
You know that's.
I mean, you're playing telephone

1037
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,520
at that point.
I was going to say it's the

1038
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,640
telephone game, right?
You can't even go like they,

1039
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:01,920
they've done experiments on
this.

1040
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,720
You can't go around a circle of
20 people and keep the story

1041
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:05,920
straight.
So how are you going to go

1042
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:09,720
through a story of, of, you
know, 20 generations and keep

1043
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:11,880
the story like perfect?
Now they, they probably did a

1044
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,400
really good job because they did
use, and Michael will talk about

1045
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,680
this next week.
They did use like the stars and

1046
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:22,080
things like that to like keep
these stories pretty dialed in.

1047
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,360
But yeah, I mean, and listen,
there's cultures around the

1048
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,840
world right now that they still
don't write down their their

1049
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,040
religious texts because they
think that it's like an

1050
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,880
abomination of some kind, right?
Like you cannot write these

1051
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:35,120
things down because once you
write them down, like, it

1052
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,520
changes the essence of what The
thing is.

1053
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:40,280
So, you know, how much of that
happened, right?

1054
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:41,640
How?
How accurate is that?

1055
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,080
Yeah.
Yeah, it is.

1056
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:51,240
It is interesting, Yeah.
All right, Paul, what else you

1057
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:55,320
got for us, man?
We're we're about an hour and 20

1058
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:59,880
minutes in now.
All right, so if you're looking

1059
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:04,880
for quality of writing, I got it
for you because the first book

1060
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:10,600
has a 4.73 rating on Goodreads.
That's pretty high.

1061
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:14,880
Very good with with over 48
reviews.

1062
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:19,560
And yeah, I just keep I keep
getting five stars from people

1063
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:23,600
that that read it, but I feel
the second one's even better.

1064
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:32,560
And the second one is not as you
know, it doesn't have as much of

1065
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:38,080
the the UFO and meditation stuff
as the first one still does.

1066
01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:45,840
But oh, I see a question there.
What this Paul think the oldest

1067
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:52,320
Bible is wow.
You know, there is a museum in

1068
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:54,280
DC.
It's called the Museum of the

1069
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:57,400
Bible.
And I was there and, and it you

1070
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:59,920
have to be there for a long,
long time.

1071
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:04,720
There's just an an entire floor
where they explain the origins

1072
01:18:05,440 --> 01:18:08,520
of of the Bible and they have
the versions there.

1073
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:11,680
You know, Jeff, you were
mentioning, you know, King James

1074
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:14,520
and, and all of the, the
versions, they have all the

1075
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:17,440
versions there and they explain
the edits that were done in

1076
01:18:17,440 --> 01:18:21,560
those versions.
If you have the time and you

1077
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:27,400
have the, the attention span to
to look at that.

1078
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,400
It's, it's all there.
It's, it doesn't matter what I

1079
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,880
think about what is, was the
oldest it the proof is, is

1080
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:38,480
there.
I, I, I will say though, that I

1081
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:46,160
think the, the Old Testament,
which is shared by the Jews and

1082
01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:53,040
the Muslims is, is interesting
because I think there's, if you

1083
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:59,080
read a lot of the Old Testament
as a historic book, you will

1084
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:05,720
find a lot of interesting pieces
to a puzzle that explains a lot

1085
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:10,560
about what they interpreted as
God and they interpreted as

1086
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,400
angels and things like that.
Where I I think that there's a

1087
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:15,600
lot of high technology there
that that is being

1088
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:19,280
misinterpreted by
unsophisticated shepherds.

1089
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:24,800
Yeah, I just kind of googled it,
right.

1090
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:26,120
For what that whatever that's
worth.

1091
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:31,400
The Codex, the Codex Sin
Sinaiticus is considered one of

1092
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:35,080
the oldest complete Bibles in
the world. 4th century Greek

1093
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:38,920
manuscript.
Then you have like fragments of

1094
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:41,240
the Dead Sea Scrolls.
I know that like there's

1095
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:45,040
Ethiopian versions of the Bible
that go way, way back to right.

1096
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:48,360
So, you know, it's always been
my understanding and I might be

1097
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:50,160
way off on this, I don't know.
But it's always been my

1098
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,960
understanding that like the
individual books of the Bible,

1099
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:56,800
if you went way back, you know,
certain tribes or certain

1100
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,400
families, whatever, like those
were the books that they

1101
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:04,040
followed until somebody, right,
some church and state.

1102
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:07,800
Conglomerate came together and
brought those separate pieces

1103
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:12,360
together and created this one
Bible, right but you go back far

1104
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:15,640
enough it was like hey this
tribe followed you know the the

1105
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:18,880
book of John right like this
tribe followed this right and

1106
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,480
there were some people who
followed multiple but it wasn't

1107
01:20:21,480 --> 01:20:25,680
like one big thing until
institutions came and we're like

1108
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:33,040
hey let's put this together and.
Yeah, yeah, I find it

1109
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:35,960
interesting.
I'm reading a book right now by

1110
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:41,320
Phil Kinsella.
He's a UFO researcher, author in

1111
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:46,960
UK and his book I think it
Avatar.

1112
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:52,600
I forget what the title is, but
it's like a Reader's Digest for

1113
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:58,120
people who don't know or haven't
looked up things about, for

1114
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:03,760
instance, Zacharias Ditchin or
the Anunnaki or the Nephilim or

1115
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:08,000
Nibiru.
It it's really a a great

1116
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:12,840
compilation and explains
thoroughly about that mythology.

1117
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:18,040
Yeah, that's a whole rabbit hole
in itself and I love that stuff,

1118
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:21,960
dude.
Zacharias Hitchens Sumerian

1119
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:26,400
tablet decoding is is.
Dude, there was like 5 years of

1120
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,400
my life where I was like
obsessed with the Anunnaki and

1121
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:31,880
and all that stuff.
Dude, that shit, that shit's

1122
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:33,080
crazy.
Yeah.

1123
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:36,760
So what's the name of your your
new book?

1124
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:42,080
The new book, The Disclosure
Paradox, book 2, Salvation.

1125
01:21:42,440 --> 01:21:44,880
There's salvation on a lot of
levels there.

1126
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:51,400
I, you know, I also write about
social voice, you know, like the

1127
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:57,160
first one, you know, I have a
Kerr Apache woman, have a, a gay

1128
01:21:57,160 --> 01:22:05,880
black veteran female Sergeant
who was in the, the military

1129
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:10,120
police.
I have a autistic woman.

1130
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:18,240
And so I, you know, I, I make
sure that I, I'm diverse in that

1131
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:26,160
first book, the second book, I
touch upon the issue of the, the

1132
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:31,760
children being abused in, in the
Catholic Church because the main

1133
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:38,160
character, well, not the main
character, the antagonist who

1134
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:42,800
teams up with the reptilians to
get the shroud.

1135
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:49,280
His it's a revenge against the
church because it, of what

1136
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,280
happened to him when he was an
acolyte.

1137
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:58,920
So he turns out to to be the
Chief of Interpol.

1138
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:00,680
Vatican.
Did you know that the Vatican

1139
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:03,360
has their own Interpol?
Yeah, I did know that.

1140
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:11,880
Yeah, so he's the one that is
the insider that that gets

1141
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:15,040
involved with the Reptilians to
steal the shroud.

1142
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:19,840
And it's because of what
happened to him as a as a child

1143
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:25,000
that he does it.
So I kind of explain that part

1144
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:30,840
and how it it impacted him.
That's pretty interesting.

1145
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:37,400
Yeah.
I mean, listen, man, I we could

1146
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:40,560
probably talk for hours,
honestly, about all this stuff

1147
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,880
and like, go down all these
different rabbit holes on some

1148
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:46,400
of this stuff, you know?
I know, I know.

1149
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:49,160
Like the books themselves are
like you said that, you know,

1150
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:50,720
it's like science fiction,
right?

1151
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:55,320
But the the concepts and stuff
that are in there like I think

1152
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:58,520
are true at least to some extent
from from what I know, right?

1153
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,120
Like again, I don't know
everything about the shroud or

1154
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,840
what have you, but you know all
the things that you touch on or

1155
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:08,280
at least have in this episode,
like I'm tracking, right?

1156
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:10,480
I could get in there with you
and we could definitely have a

1157
01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:12,520
long conversation about all that
stuff for sure.

1158
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:15,800
Unfortunately, there's not
enough time and one night to

1159
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:19,720
like, you know, like go down
each rabbit hole, but.

1160
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:22,000
Yeah.
That's what he does, man.

1161
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:26,120
He did that in February too.
He he gave us this mosh pit of

1162
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:30,760
topics and I think we got
through two or three of them.

1163
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,360
When we look back, it was 2
hours into the episode.

1164
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:34,760
We're like crap, man.
We got to go.

1165
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:36,680
That's how you know it's a good
episode.

1166
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:39,680
And right before you said it was
like an hour and 20 minutes.

1167
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:42,000
Like I looked up and it was like
an hour and 16 minutes and I was

1168
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,000
like, damn, dude.
Like that's how I know it's a

1169
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,200
good episode when an hour plus
goes by and like, you have no

1170
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:48,800
idea.
Yeah.

1171
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:51,920
Sometimes Jeremy will make me
sit here and listen to Bigfoot

1172
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:53,280
stuff for two hours and I'm
like, so?

1173
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:56,480
We.
Haven't done.

1174
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,040
We haven't.
Done a Bigfoot episode in a

1175
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:01,040
while.
So you could tell your audience

1176
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:06,560
that I have a website it it's
the disclosure paradox.com in

1177
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:10,760
there, they could actually read
about, read about both books.

1178
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:13,440
There are excerpts for the first
book.

1179
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:18,360
There are reviews that I have
right now in there there in the

1180
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:21,840
character descriptions.
But for the second book I have

1181
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:27,240
Joseph Marino's forward and I
have a couple reviews that are

1182
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:30,840
pre publication reviews in
there.

1183
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:34,320
And I'll be adding some more
stuff in there as I as we go

1184
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:40,040
along.
And in in this second one, it

1185
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:45,080
could be pre-ordered so that it
arrives when it it's released,

1186
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:51,840
which is the 16th of September.
And it's doing pretty well right

1187
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:55,640
now in pre-orders.
I'm pretty, pretty happy about

1188
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:58,240
it.
So it's good.

1189
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:02,200
Well, it's always, always good
to have you on man.

1190
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:06,400
So when you come up with the the
next one and and Bigfoot joins

1191
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,760
the mix and you got a whole
bunch of other things that we

1192
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:12,280
can force Jeff into that he's
not interested in, but I am

1193
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:16,400
Let's let's do that so that he
can sit there and and look all

1194
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:17,560
bored.
And then I.

1195
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:19,360
Can yeah.
The next one will be about the

1196
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:26,480
the origins of Katrina who is
psychokinetic and her father who

1197
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:35,240
was one of the the army privates
that was recovering the debrief

1198
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:38,280
from the Roswell crash.
OK.

1199
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:41,000
Yeah.
Hey, that's a, that's a pretty

1200
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:43,360
good one, man.
There's a lot to go on with with

1201
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:46,480
the Roswell crash.
A lot, a lot.

1202
01:26:46,480 --> 01:26:48,920
We could, we could dive into
that quite a bit too.

1203
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:52,400
We could dive into that.
We could dive into the nuclear

1204
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:54,800
testing that was happening or
the atom bomb testing that was

1205
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:58,640
happening at the time.
See, he said the origins of

1206
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:00,720
Katrina.
And right there I was like, oh,

1207
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:02,400
the hurricane.
And I was like, that's where I.

1208
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:04,440
Went to, that's where I went to.
That's.

1209
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:06,400
Where I went.
To weather modification of the.

1210
01:27:07,480 --> 01:27:10,400
Go.
Yeah, but the But then we talked

1211
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:12,040
about.
Ron was one of the characters.

1212
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:14,800
Way before that.
Yeah, no, I got that when you

1213
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:17,080
finished the sentence.
But I jumped the gun in my mind.

1214
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:19,240
I was like, oh, origins of
Katrina, we're going to talk

1215
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:21,520
about chemtrails and weather
modification.

1216
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:28,920
But no, no, absolutely.
Well, Paul, you, you put out

1217
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:30,920
your website.
Do you have anything else to put

1218
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:33,280
out?
Do you have socials or anything

1219
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:37,120
else that you want to plug
before we shut her off for the

1220
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:40,480
night?
Yeah, I've, I've nothing else

1221
01:27:40,480 --> 01:27:42,840
going on.
I'll be, I'll be, you know,

1222
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:47,760
doing local book signings.
Hopefully if the second book

1223
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:51,960
comes out, you know, strong,
I'll certainly be around the

1224
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,280
country all.
Right.

1225
01:27:54,720 --> 01:28:01,960
Well, I want to give a special
shout out to the the stupendous

1226
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:09,200
man over on TikTok sat there and
gave us 5000 likes.

1227
01:28:10,440 --> 01:28:15,800
Oh wow.
That's great.

1228
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:20,520
Yeah, really appreciate that.
We got, we got a couple people

1229
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:28,320
to share.
I mean all kinds of.

1230
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:31,240
Tik Tok's jumping bro you got to
get that damn stream key so they

1231
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:32,720
can see the whole episode, not
just look.

1232
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:34,960
At Eodle, I, I don't, I don't
know how to do the stream key

1233
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:36,080
thing.
I'll figure it out, I'll figure

1234
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,400
it out.
I'll figure it out, I'll figure

1235
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:40,960
it out.
All right, we got, we got a

1236
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:47,680
couple followers today #1 Meg
Megumi Glazer followed us.

1237
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:51,280
We hit 70 followers on on Twitch
tonight.

1238
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:53,040
Wow.
So that's cool.

1239
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:55,760
We got that.
That's that's another milestone.

1240
01:28:55,760 --> 01:29:01,000
So thank you all for that.
A lot of cool milestones today,

1241
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:06,760
everybody.
Yeah, I'm on, I'm on on Blue Sky

1242
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:13,200
as PGV author.
And then I'm on, you know,

1243
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:20,120
Facebook.
I, I Pete Paul the cat writer so

1244
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:26,720
and I've got like 4000, four
4200 followers on blue sky,

1245
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:29,240
which is pretty good.
Nice, man.

1246
01:29:29,440 --> 01:29:31,000
Nice.
Yeah, well, make sure you share

1247
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:32,280
the episode when it comes out,
man.

1248
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:33,720
Yeah, I will.
So.

1249
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:39,080
Looks like hey, it looks like
Danny just just joined the chat.

1250
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:44,080
Danny.
Danny, better late than never,

1251
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:49,920
Dan.
Danny's always a good guy, Danny

1252
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:53,760
Danny loves our authors.
Danny will probably check out

1253
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:57,400
your stuff.
He's a he's a true, true

1254
01:29:57,400 --> 01:29:59,600
listener, true, true fan of
books.

1255
01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:06,120
But we are now at an hour and 35
minutes in.

1256
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:09,800
We've been streaming all over
the Internet, everywhere.

1257
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:12,880
Thank you to everybody that
that's taking the time to tune

1258
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:14,120
in.
Thank you to everybody on

1259
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:15,280
TikTok.
Thank you to everybody on

1260
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:16,560
Twitch.
Thank you to everybody on

1261
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:20,600
YouTube X everywhere else that
we've been streaming.

1262
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:24,920
This is this has been a we
didn't get a ton of people on

1263
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,040
Twitch today, but we had a ton
of people everywhere else.

1264
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:32,200
Let me tell you.
And Paul, thank you again.

1265
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:34,520
It's always a pleasure, man.
We look forward to having you

1266
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:41,080
back on for Oh yeah, I think.
It doesn't kill her.

1267
01:30:43,480 --> 01:30:48,520
I'll have to get post the links
for his stuff in the chat.

1268
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:49,960
Oh, let me let me do that real
quick.

1269
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:54,520
OK, and Paul, maybe, maybe you
can come on like after the book

1270
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:57,560
comes out, like excuse me, like
a couple weeks or something

1271
01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:59,680
after the book comes out, we can
get a little more in depth.

1272
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:01,920
I don't want you to like spoil
the book on the show before it

1273
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,640
comes out, right?
But like maybe once it comes out

1274
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:06,680
and it's been out for a little
while, you come back on and we

1275
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:10,480
can go a little bit further down
this one before talking about

1276
01:31:10,480 --> 01:31:12,240
the next one that you got coming
out too that.

1277
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:15,520
'D be cool, yeah.
Oh yeah, that's there's the

1278
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:20,600
pre-order on Amazon right now.
I got the you can see it it's on

1279
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:27,280
the pre-order.
Here's I'll put this here.

1280
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:34,880
Here is if you're on Twitch,
there is the link to the first

1281
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:38,560
book.
Shout out to whoever just

1282
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:40,680
boosted the twitch channel too.
I see that.

1283
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:45,200
Boosted Twitch channel.
Yeah, there's like a little

1284
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:48,120
boost thing that people can do,
and they did it.

1285
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:51,160
I appreciate that whoever did
that.

1286
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:58,400
And then here is the link to the
the second book that you can

1287
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,480
pre-order.
Right.

1288
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:03,960
All right.
There you go.

1289
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:08,040
That'll get you a couple sales.
For sure, and I will like I did

1290
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:12,080
the first time.
I will post the links with the

1291
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:17,520
episodes once they come out,
which I believe this one will

1292
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:21,560
come out on the 8th.
I'm pretty sure will come out on

1293
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:24,600
the 8th.
But all right, that's it.

1294
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:27,800
This one's for real now.
Now I got all your links out

1295
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:31,680
Paul, if you can hang tight for
just a few minutes after I I

1296
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:35,400
sign off that way I can have
Riverside pull all your audio

1297
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:38,840
and video and then we'll we'll
cut you loose.

1298
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:40,360
All right, man.
Sure.

1299
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:45,680
All right, until next time
travellers, remember next Sunday

1300
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:48,200
every Sunday at 8:00 PM Central
Time.

1301
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:52,200
That's 9 Eastern and 6:00 PM
Pacific.

1302
01:32:52,480 --> 01:32:56,400
You could be right on
twitch.tv/infinite Rabbit Hole

1303
01:32:56,400 --> 01:33:00,720
where you can see myself,
Michaels, Jeff, and our guest

1304
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:03,520
for the night if we have one,
which next week we will have

1305
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:07,640
Micah Dank talking about his
studies in Astro theology.

1306
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:12,400
It's quite a long presentation,
but we're here for it and it's

1307
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:18,800
going to be a blast.
I've heard good things about

1308
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:22,880
this.
Jeff's already kind of got a

1309
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:25,800
peek underneath the curtains.
He's seen this once before, if

1310
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:32,240
not 5-7 times before, and he
says good things about it, so

1311
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:35,480
I'm looking forward to it.
Until next time, travelers,

1312
01:33:35,480 --> 01:33:38,440
we'll see you right here in the
next fork in the path of the

1313
01:33:38,440 --> 01:33:40,720
infinite rabbit hole.
Bye everybody.

1314
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:49,480
Peace.
Hey everybody, thanks for

1315
01:33:49,480 --> 01:33:51,640
checking out the Infinite Rabbit
Hole podcast.

1316
01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:53,880
If you're looking for more of
our stuff, head on over to

1317
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:57,240
infiniterabbithole.com where you
can find links to all the

1318
01:33:57,240 --> 01:34:00,640
podcast players that we are
available on and even our video

1319
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:02,720
platforms such as TikTok and
YouTube.

1320
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:05,600
While you're there, make sure to
check out all the links for our

1321
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:08,880
socials and hit that follow so
you know when all the new stuff

1322
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:11,960
from our podcast comes out.
And until next time, travelers,

1323
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:15,680
we'll see you right here in the
next fork in the path of the

1324
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:17,600
Infinite Rabbit hole.
Bye.