251. UFOs in Legislation, Nukes, & Meteors

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Welcome back to the Infinite
Rabbit Hole.

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I'm your host, Jeremy, and today
we're going to start a new era

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of the podcast.
Yay, claps, everybody claps.

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Thank you, Jacob.
I am.

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I am.
I am with my buddy Jake today

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and just Jake.
Just Jake.

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How's it going?
I'm just jaking around.

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It's cold out bro.
It's I haven't done anything all

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weekend.
It is so freaking cold.

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It was -10 this morning and then
it got up to a high of like

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what, 8?
I don't think it got that high

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and.
Then Tuesday is supposed to be

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40°.
Yeah, Yeah, it was, man.

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Like there was deer all over the
place yesterday and it was,

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we're in antlerless season for
rifle.

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And I was like, Nah, Nope, not
going to do it.

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I'm not going to be out there in
the zeros cleaning a deer, no.

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Well, we're going to be Jeffless
for a little while.

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Jeff recently moved and he's got
to get some some internets so he

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can come talk to us.
So we'll know Jeffrey for a

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little while.
That's it.

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He told me to tell everybody
that, but the truth is that he

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just doesn't care anymore and he
gave up quit and he quit on not

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just us, but you too.
Yep.

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So let's let's sound off with
Boo.

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Jeff's in the chat.
Boo, Boo Jeff, Boo.

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Boo this man.
Boo.

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This man so got some explaining
to do so we didn't record last

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week and we didn't put out a new
episode last week.

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Instead I took the 250th episode
and I released an old Patreon

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exclusive fact.
The first Patreon exclusive, the

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John Teeter Special, is about
almost two hours worth of hard

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facts on everyone's favorite
time traveler, John Teeter.

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My favorite way of doing it
through documentary series.

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Not much else to say about that,
but we could talk a little bit

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about why we weren't here.
And that has to deal with more

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or less changes in life.
So 250 episodes in and things

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get stale.
Let's just be honest from this

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point of view.
I've been doing this for five

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years straight and sometimes it
sucks.

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I love doing it, but sometimes
it sucks and I need to change it

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up or else I'm going to go
freaking crazy.

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So that's what I did, and I
found a way to format this show

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where I can do what I originally
wanted to do.

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The love that I had for the
documenting the the strange and

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the unknown, but also stick with
the really cool interviews that

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we've been been good enough to
get lately.

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So we're going to try out this
new format tonight.

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It's going to be kind of a test
run, see how it goes.

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But the gist is I am researching
for a lot of stuff.

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A lot of stuff.
One of which one of those stuffs

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is my book that I'm writing on
Elmwood.

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So I've been diving into a lot
of UFO stuff and every week my

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research changes.
I've been writing this book for

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over a year and a half now and
my attention span doesn't stay

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on one subject very long.
So that's what I'm going to do

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with Infinite Rabbit.
I am for the episodes where we

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don't have an interview going.
We're going to dive into

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whatever it was that I got
caught up researching that week.

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Simple as that.
That's the new format, but it

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comes with a nice beautiful
script of that.

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I take 15 minutes out of my day
every Sunday to put together,

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type up real quick and present
it to you guys.

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Jake doesn't have to do anything
except for talk crap about the

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topics and he's happy.
Jeff doesn't have to do anything

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because he literally doesn't
research.

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He just, you know this, Jeff,
but you get to kind of enjoy

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some of the stuff that I've been
going down and where my thought

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processes are and the rabbit
holes that I've been getting

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stuck in, which is basically why
the infinite rabbit hole is the

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infinite rabbit hole because I
had a horrible issue with

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sticking on one topic and it
does not only affect the show.

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If you guys have been listening
to us at all in the last five

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years, you'll know that I'm not
very good at sticking to one

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topic and just expand that to to
include the entirety of a week,

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a month and a year.
There's a lot of stuff that I

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lose track of what I'm supposed
to be doing and get caught

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researching.
So we're going to dive into a

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little bit more of my worked and
what I'm thinking about as of

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right now.
Jake ready to talk about UFOs,

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bud?
Yes.

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So enthusiastic.
I love it.

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All right, yes.
So I have three things that I've

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been researching this week that
I want to bring to your guys's

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attention and I get to try out
my new scripting.

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So bear with me.
Here we go.

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Section 1, The political reality
of UFOs, The biggest 40 inch

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story of the month is not an
incident, but a piece of

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legislation that solidifies the
UAP phenomenon as an ongoing

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national security concern.
We are talking about the fiscal

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year 2026 National Defense
Authorization Act or NDAA.

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The final conference text of
this massive defensive bill was

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released on December 7th, 2025,
and it passed the House on

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December 10th.
Within the legislation are

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powerful provisions forcing
transparency from the military.

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Regarding UA PS specifically,
Congress is now directing the

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Pentagon's All Domain Anomaly
Resolution Office, or ARROW, to

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provide detailed expanded
briefings.

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This is not a general request.
The Mandate targets UAP

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intercepts conducted by US
Northern Command and NORAD, the

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2 commands responsible for
defending North American

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airspace.
ARROW must report the number,

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precise location, and nature of
these intercepts.

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The most critical detail for 14
researchers is the retrospect

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retrospective clause.
This required report must

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include all unreported
intercepts dating back to

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January 1st, 2004.
This means the military is

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officially acknowledging that
they have been tracking and

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accumulating data on unknown
aerial incursions for two

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decades.
The narrative has officially

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shifted from if Uaps exist to
what our defense forces are

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intercepting and why Congress is
now forcing the issue.

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What do you think, Jake?
I think it's all BS.

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Well, yeah, I knew you thought
that, but tell me what you

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really think.
Well.

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What?
I really think.

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Oh, well, then obviously aliens
are real.

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I mean, come.
On, well, not.

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Obviously.
Not necessarily just aliens,

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right?
I mean, we talked about all

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kinds of stuff on this, this
show about UFOs.

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And one thing that I was
debating on, on diving into,

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because it was probably the
newest thing that I've been

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researching and it was within
the last 48 hours, is this new

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report that's been coming out.
It's been kind of sneaking

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around.
And it really just verifies John

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Keel's research from the book
Operation Trojan Horse, where he

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talked about this strange detail
where not only are we seeing

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UFOs in the skies over, you
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they're, they also tend to pay
attention to political

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boundaries and days of the week.
So for those of you that aren't

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familiar with John Keel's work
in the book Operation Trojan

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Horse, he discussed a finding
and I, I forget the number of

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sightings that he used for the
pool, but basically he found

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that Wednesdays were the most
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spotted.
And they also tended to to come

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out mostly in spring and summer.
They also would have this

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strange coincidence where they
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differently, they'd move quicker
once they moved across, or they

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just would stop and suddenly go
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border of a country or state.
So this was back in shoot.

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I think Operation Trojan Horse
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The original book was called Why
UF OS and then it was rewritten

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into Operation Trojan Horse.
And I think why UF OS is

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probably in the 60s or 70s.
So now that we're getting

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research coming out saying
something very similar to what

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John Keel was putting out way
back then, I think it's very

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interesting.
But the question is, are they

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using that for some sort of
narrative building?

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And I know Jeff would probably
usually have a comment on that,

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but I think it's a good question
to ask because now we're seeing

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a similar strange concept that
we see a lot of times in movies,

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right?
Where we're kind of being told

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the narrative beforehand and
then something happens, IE the

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the train explosion in
Pennsylvania few years ago.

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There's literally a movie on
Netflix about it in the exact

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same town.
So what do you think, Jake?

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I think that it's all narrative
building.

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To what end, I don't know, but
my opinion isn't going to

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change.
Despite the amount of times we

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talked about this sort of topic,
my opinions aren't going to

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change quite dramatically.
Is saying suddenly, OK, well,

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UFOs are real and so are aliens
and all this sort of stuff?

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I think the whole thing is just
it's narrative building.

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Yeah.
That to what end remains to be

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seen, But I'm not surprised that
Congress is like appealing to

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find out the truth about the
aliens because, you know, who

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would give those people
information?

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You know, it's like, you know,
it's like it's on a need to know

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basis.
And I would imagine that most of

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those people, probably 99% of
those people are not in a need

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to know sort of, you know,
capacity.

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They don't need to know all of
the tech that the military has.

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They don't need to know all of
the different, you know,

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capabilities that the black
budget projects have.

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They don't need to know, you
know what, what Lockheed has

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Northrop Grumman has and what
you know all these companies

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have.
So it would make sense that they

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don't know you know anything.
So if you're watching right now,

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I'm just kind of showing you
guys one website that is posting

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information about this specific
UAP addition to the NDAA, which

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was posted on December 12th.
So just two days ago on Friday,

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at least from this source, it
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I believe the actual decision
was pushed through on December

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10th, which would have been made
it Wednesday.

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So just wanted to share that
with you guys.

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With that, I bring 4 questions
to the table.

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I'm just going to read them all
off and then Jake, if you have

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anything you want to talk about
from them, we'll just discuss it

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real quick.
First one is If this phenomenon

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wasn't a threat, why does
Congress need to see two decades

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worth of military intercept data
right now?

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2 Are we forcing the military to
admit they have no defense for

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objects operating outside known
physics?

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3 Is this congressional pressure
a sign that the political will

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for disclosure is finally
outrunning the military's desire

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for secrecy?
And four, does this indicate an

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escalating pattern of intrusion
has finally become too frequent

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to ignore?
Answer to #1 because people are

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calling their Congress men and
women and annoying the heck out

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of them.
And unless they get answers,

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they're going to keep calling
them, keep emailing them, keep

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sending them letters.
I mean, shoot, you could find

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out where your congressional
representative lives and show up

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at their house.
And, you know, granted that you

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probably have to deal with the
security team, but you could,

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you know, drop a letter right on
their front porch that says,

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tell me about the aliens, you
know, and do it every single

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day, multiple times a day for
months and months and months.

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And eventually you're going to
get a response, whether that's a

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piss off or a fine.
I'll, I'll ask about it now

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broadcast that out to, you know,
all the people that want to know

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across every single state, just
dumping letters and mailboxes

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and stuff.
I mean, you're going to get a

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response.
You know, you can only back up

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the congressional
representatives secretary's

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phone so much with, you know,
voicemail saying I want to know

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about the aliens before they
finally say, OK, fine.

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You know, I have to clear my, I
have to clear my, the memory on

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my device every single day
because of the amount of

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messages I get.
I mean, you know, it's just like

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if a bill was going to be passed
and you didn't want it to be

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passed or whatever.
Like all these people around

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here that are like no data
center and stuff.

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You think those people aren't
blowing up their you know who's

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the the guy over here?
He's bald anyway.

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The mayor.
Yeah, but you think that here

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they're not blowing up his phone
saying no data center and stuff

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like that, whether he can or
cannot do anything about it,

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right?
It's just like, you know, stuff

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gets done, right?
They're a voice of the people.

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So that's number one as far as
I'm concerned.

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What was #2?
#2 Are we forced in the military

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to admit they have no defense
for objects operating outside

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known physics?
I mean, obviously, I mean any of

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our current West open systems, I
mean like a Hellfire missile is

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amazing, but could it blow up
something that's going

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supersonic speeds?
Probably not.

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It only has so much capability,
right?

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So let's clear the air here.
Let me let me ask you a

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question, but let me get your
official standing.

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I know, I know.
You think a lot of this is BS,

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right?
Simple questions.

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Do you think there's unknown
objects in the sky?

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Yes.
OK.

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Do you believe that they're
physical?

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Some.
So with that answer then then

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there's multiple types of things
in the sky.

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Yeah, there's multiple types of
different aircraft in the sky

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too.
Yeah, different uses usages.

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Specifically about UAP, right?
Unidentified Aerial phenomena.

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You still believe that there's
multiple types of these aerial

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mysteries.
Sure, yeah.

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OK.
Do you believe that they all

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have the same source?
Different sources, I'm guessing,

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You know, being that you're a
veteran, you would think that

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some of it is top secret
technology, human technology.

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What do you think?
Give me a give me a a short list

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of what you could think the
possibilities of some of this

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other stuff being.
Misidentification, black budget

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programs, spiritual beings
wrapped around like a deception.

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I would say 0% chance in my
brain that anything comes from

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off planet.
Not any.

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I mean, I guess you could say
like, oh, a different spiritual

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plane.
It's technically off planet.

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Yeah, OK, sure.
But like aliens as we understand

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aliens to be like from a
different Galaxy or something

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like that.
No.

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Yeah, extraterrestrials.
I would say no to that because I

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mean, you got to look at human
history in any now, I'm not

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saying that they would be
exactly like us and their

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reasoning and thought process
and things like that.

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But in any single situation,
very rarely, except for like

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maybe now people are like, oh,
we can take aerial pictures of

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the tribes in Papua New Guinea,
right, type stuff, but we don't

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want to bother them.
We'll just take pictures of

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them.
Someone's landed there on a

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boat, right?
And they killed him.

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You know, type stuff like it
happens every once in a while,

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but for the most part, it's
always been like you aren't in

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the same ballpark as us
militarily say like, I don't

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know, people like to throw this
around.

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We just had Thanksgiving, the
colonial, you know, sailors

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coming across to North America
and finding tribes of Indians

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that hadn't even invented a
wheel or written language in the

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thousands of years they occupied
this area.

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You know, didn't take long for
that to, you know, see its

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course out.
And that's been the that's been

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the routine for any civilization
on this planet.

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I mean, shoot, why do we keep
dogs and cats?

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Because they're a lower life
form and we think it's cute.

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I mean, sure, they perform a
duty to us, but wouldn't that

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also be the same thing If like a
higher life form was able to

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master interstellar travel, get
through the radiation belt?

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I doubt they would just be like
flying around be like, let's

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turn off the buttons on these,
you know, nuclear launch

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facilities.
You know, let's turn, turn off

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the the power button or let's
just, you know, visit some

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people in a cornfield.
I think they would be a lot more

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aggressive than that.
Or even the stories or people

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are like, oh gosh, they they
told me that we were so close to

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like humanity's demise and they
wanted to interfere to keep us

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from from destroying it each
other, right?

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I haven't seen evidence of that
happening because we're still in

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conflict constantly.
There's still civil war going on

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constantly in some parts of the
world, somewhere in the world.

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There's never peace, right?
So I just don't see the evidence

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of that.
So I just, I don't put any

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weight into the idea that it's
extraterrestrials.

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But yeah, spiritual beings,
because you know, my background,

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what I believe.
Especially considering that, you

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know, the other side is so, you
know, involved in deceiving

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people.
You know, definitely

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misidentification because that
seems to be a pretty common

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occurrence.
I mean, I can't say for 100%

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fact that all of the UA PS I've
seen, which is probably 3 or 4,

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that they weren't able to be
described as something, you

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know, normal, right?
Like a plane with, you know,

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instead of having a, a graphic
design on the side or like white

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paint or something like that are
painted that would be like

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aluminum and it would be
reflecting the light.

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And all I'd see was a ball of
light.

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And two years ago I would have
said, yeah, that's pretty

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unlikely.
But we have a plane that lands

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on our airfield at least once a
month that is a World War 2

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bomber, and the entire thing is
chromed out.

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So if it gets out there in the
sky and it's reflecting the the

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sunlight, all you see is a ball
of light.

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There's no discernible shape
besides that.

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I mean, it sounds super cool
when it comes in because it's

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just like this big old, like
Mustang engine, right?

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Sounds like a big old motorcycle
when it rolls in.

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But I mean, but yeah, I mean, I,
I would prior to seeing that, I

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would have been like, it's very
uncommon for aircraft to be

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chromed out and reflect light
like that.

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Well, turns out they exist,
right?

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Might not be common, but, you
know, who knows?

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Was there an air show in the
area?

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You know, there's a lot of
explanations.

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So was I seeing actually UA PS
government drones or you know,

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something that was actually
common for the time frame I was

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seeing it?
I don't know remains to be seen.

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So misidentification and then
certainly, I mean, just I, I

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just, I continually go back to
it because it gets continues to

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be brought up.
The, you know, the Blackhawk

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helicopters that were used to
take out Osama bin Laden.

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Just like these super stealth
helicopters that even Obama when

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he was the president had no idea
they existed until he was

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briefed about the OP to go and
take out bin Laden.

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You know, hey, also we're going
to be flying these helicopters.

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The pilots were Blackhawk
helicopter pilots had never

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flown these things.
And somehow they were so quiet

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that they were able to crash one
of these things in the courtyard

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of this compound.
And the people didn't even know

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that it was there until they
breached the doors.

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Right.
It keeps getting brought up.

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If you listen to the Sean Ryan
show and he has all these, you

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know, prior Seals on and stuff
like that.

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He keeps getting brought up.
What can you tell me about the

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Blackhawks that they flew on?
Not much, you know, type stuff.

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You know, it's, it's definitely
not a casual helicopter.

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Does Congress?
Did Congress know about those

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things before?
You know, if the president

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didn't know about them before
the OP happened, very unlikely.

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I doubt any of them knew.
Just because you have a top

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secret clearance doesn't mean
anything because you are given

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top secret information in the
realm of what you need to know.

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Not oh, you got this clearance,
here's everything right.

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Yeah, well, they, they have
those congressional parties,

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those little groups that they
that they make up for certain

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topics that they've given, given
the need to know for on on

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certain things.
So I'm up to date with this, the

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story on the the mysterious
Blackhawks.

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But I would argue that there
probably was a small committee

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of congressional people who had
the need to know to know that

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they existed, because everything
military is supposed to have

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congressional oversight.
And that's like one of the big

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push backs for the entire UFO
community and trying to get

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disclosure is because everything
being done by the United States

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military or government is in
response to UFOSUAP is lacking

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congressional oversight.
But I know, but we we talked

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about this ad nauseam.
Is the congressional oversight,

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does that come into effect if
it's a private company that owns

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the vehicles?
No.

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And that is there is a huge flaw
there Yes, you're right.

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We've talked about this a lot
when you talk about contractors,

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right?
I mean, name 1 and they probably

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have some sort of technology
that we will never see, ever

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see.
And why do they have it?

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Because honestly, if the Second
Cold War or World War 3 broke

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out, I still don't think we'd
see it.

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Right.
I would say, because why not?

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It's like who we need a hydrant
or what?

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What's the word a hydrant
Collider?

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Yeah, a large hydrant Collider,
of course do.

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Do you know must we have that?
You know the when it was first

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turned on?
It's like the thought that maybe

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something cool happens or maybe
a black hole happens that

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consumes the entire Earth.
I don't know, let's figure it

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out.
You know, I think that's kind of

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the OR AI, right, that's getting
pretty creepy and advanced and

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things like that.
I mean, it's like, is that

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necessary to sustain life?
No, but why not?

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It's like the fault of man.
It's like, well, because we can.

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So if it can be done, then it
will be done and then you can

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throw a patent on it saying no
one else can make this.

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So the Large Hadron Collider,
from a scientific standpoint and

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from my own personal point of
view, I believe is critical,

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although what can be done with
it can be very reckless.

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We have created singularities.
So for those that are unfamiliar

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with the term, singularities are
black holes.

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That's basically what a black
hole is just minute.

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These Large Hadron colliders
have created them.

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And if you do this incorrectly,
right, and this isn't just this

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isn't just whoops, sorry, this
is whoops.

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Well, I I just destroyed all of
reality here on Earth.

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Oops.
Because if you create one that's

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stable enough, then you have
some real fucking problems.

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But the Large Hasron Collider is
very important.

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Very, very important.
We're learning things on the

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atomic level right now that are
absolutely blowing our minds.

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And look no further than quantum
computing, anything dealing with

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the quantum realm, right?
It's, it's very strange and

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foreign to all of us, including
the top minds and, and any

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branch of science.
But we're learning a lot about

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it.
You know, I was trying to

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explain this to my daughter the
other day because we had a

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conversation about quantum
physics.

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And I, I can't remember how it
started, but I know the question

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that she eventually asked me as
we were sitting outside of her

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job was what is quantum physics?
And I was like, well, it's, it's

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how physics works at the, the
very, very smallest level known

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to us.
And I said, you know, here in

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the macro realm, if we throw a
baseball into the sky, it'll

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come down and land.
Now it could move depending on

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what influences it has wind,
atmospheric pressure, just to

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name a few.
I said.

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But if we went into a vacuum and
we created some sort of

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mechanism for a, a baseball or
any ball that was built exactly

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the same down to the the atoms
exactly the same.

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And this mechanism threw that
ball at a wall in the exact same

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same location, at the exact same
speed, at the exact same

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strength, over and over and over
again.

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At the macro level, we would
expect to see the exact same

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result from that ball over and
over again.

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It would bounce off the wall in
the same way, land in the same

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spot, and we would just see it
repeated over and over and over

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again.
That's the basics of science.

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Test your test your hypothesis
and get repeatable answers.

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That doesn't happen at the
quantum level.

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I said we could take that same
ball in the same room at the

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quantum level, and we could
throw that ball and one time it

453
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,520
may hit the wall, bounce back.
It may hit the wall and then

454
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,240
show up behind you.
It may go straight through the

455
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,560
wall.
It may hit the wall and explode

456
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,200
into thousands of perfectly
replicated versions of itself.

457
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,240
We don't understand how physics
works at this realm.

458
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,200
It just doesn't work like it
doesn't work the same way.

459
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,480
That's what the the Large Hydron
Collider is teaching us is that

460
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,520
we can give the exact same
environmental details with the

461
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,680
exact same environmental
baseball, shoot them around this

462
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,360
Large Hadron Collider millions
of times until they eventually

463
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,280
collide with themselves.
And we're going to get different

464
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:47,960
outcomes every single time.
Not just, well, the first time

465
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,280
is the same as the 250th time.
No, it's every single time.

466
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,080
We're getting different outcomes
every.

467
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,760
And it's not minute.
It's not like, Oh well, it's

468
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,640
going off at a slightly
different angle.

469
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,440
No, they're colliding, 1 is
exploding, and the other one's

470
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:08,400
just moving on perfectly fine as
if it literally didn't make

471
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,080
contact.
That's how we found quantum

472
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,600
entanglement.
That's how we found quantum

473
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,040
superposition.
I mean, while superposition was

474
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:21,720
the double slit experiment, but
we're finding things out at the

475
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:27,400
quantum level that there's even
power applied to at least a

476
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,280
quantum level just by your own
observation.

477
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,720
You looking at something and
observing it, recording it in

478
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,880
some kind of way is affecting
the outcome of things on the

479
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,240
quantum level.
And we have a lot of science

480
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:47,640
that shows us so.
Well.

481
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,280
I just, yeah, this is this is
this is what I was talking about

482
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,040
at the beginning of the episode.
This is where my brain goes.

483
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,200
OK, bad example.
Let's say use a different

484
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,440
example.
OK, what was the Russian

485
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:06,040
hydrogen bomb that was created?
That's like 500 times the OR

486
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,920
like 5000 times the strength of
the ones that we dropped on

487
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,280
Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
It was.

488
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,440
Hold on.
I can bring it up actually.

489
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,800
Yeah.
Because I just mentioned it in a

490
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,120
script I was writing.
I just got to find the script.

491
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,120
So anyway, so point of
reference, right?

492
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,120
I don't know what the exact
death toll was or blast radius

493
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:35,560
of the two nukes we dropped in
Japan and World War 2, but did

494
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,200
we?
Did humanity we as in humanity,

495
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,000
did we?
Was it absolutely necessary to

496
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:48,040
invent a bomb that was 5000
times that I'm going to throw

497
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,120
out there and say probably not,
unless we're going to start

498
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,800
fighting like, you know, Titans
and stuff.

499
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,560
I'm going to say probably not.
But why was it made?

500
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:02,040
Because why not?
Military superiority, Sure.

501
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,040
I guess.
The scare factor.

502
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,240
Yeah, sure.
I guess just because it could.

503
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:14,160
I mean, so it's like, again,
going back to my original

504
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:19,520
statement, if I take that theory
or that reasoning I just kind of

505
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:25,160
threw out there, to what gain or
what end are these vehicles

506
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,480
being made?
No idea.

507
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,560
Do I believe they're being made?
Yes.

508
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,240
I don't think that there's like
a solid cap on what we can or

509
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:38,000
cannot do, with the exception of
creating something out of

510
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,960
nothing like like life.
That's not what I wanted.

511
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,480
Trying to share this other
screen.

512
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,920
There we go.
You know what I'm saying, Ka?

513
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,920
Right.
Is it the the SAR Bamba?

514
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,440
That sounds right, yeah.
That's it.

515
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:06,280
The SAR Bamba way stronger
anyways, let's I got I got I got

516
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,320
two more questions just
specifically for you from this.

517
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,360
What were the other other two of
the four?

518
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,280
And there.
Were three, there were 4.

519
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,560
Yeah, but I saw two whole
sections to go over, so all

520
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:23,040
right, all right. 3/3 is Is this
congressional pressure a sign

521
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,200
that the political that the
political will for disclosure is

522
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,920
finally outrunning the
military's desire for secrecy?

523
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:37,000
I guess. 4 Does this indicate an
escalating pattern of intrusion

524
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,520
that has finally become too
frequent to ignore?

525
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,800
I'm going to say no to that one
because it does definitely seems

526
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,520
like it used to be a lot more
prevalent than it is now.

527
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,240
Now it's just the public knows
about it by and large.

528
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,360
I actually agree with you.
Because it used to be like, you

529
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,760
know, especially around the
World War Two time frame is very

530
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,480
prevalent now.
It's like you wouldn't.

531
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,720
Most people wouldn't have an
experience unless they saw it on

532
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,520
the Internet.
Yes or no, I'm not going to go

533
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,080
down that rabbit hole right now,
but just just for the sake of

534
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,280
time, but two questions for you.
Well, one, and then depending on

535
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,880
what your answer is, do you just
coming out of sheer ignorance

536
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:18,320
right now and the question off
the fly, were there things in

537
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,159
the sky mentioned in the Bible?
I don't know.

538
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,000
You can't think of anything.
No.

539
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:26,760
Just again, sheer ignorance
here.

540
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:30,639
Ezekiel's Wheel.
Still don't know.

541
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,199
I haven't.
I've heard people say that but

542
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:36,679
it hasn't caused me to be like
I'm going to find out about

543
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:38,560
this.
Anyways, my follow up question

544
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,040
was if you had said yes.
My follow up question is, do you

545
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,800
think that we're seeing some of
the same things that were

546
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:51,760
discussed in the Bible?
Well, OK, so let's say that I

547
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,440
did say yes.
And then my response to that

548
00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,360
would be, throughout all of
human history, there have been,

549
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:05,560
according to my beliefs, there
have been interactions with both

550
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,560
angelic and demonic beings,
people describing angelic beings

551
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,320
to be horrifying.
The Bible describes them to be

552
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:18,200
horrifying, right?
6 wings, four faces, wings

553
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,560
covered in eyes, you know, all
kinds of crazy stuff.

554
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:23,440
And then the angels are coming
down saying, you know, be not

555
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,800
afraid.
Well, I, I doubt they were

556
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,280
saying that because they look
like people, right?

557
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,440
I think it was probably
terrifying.

558
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,560
And then they're like, hey, calm
down, don't be afraid.

559
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,760
You know, I have a message from
God and they're like, OK, you

560
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:41,240
know, so there's that.
And then on the other side of

561
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:45,800
that, there's demonic beings
who, if I am to take the, you

562
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,080
know, what the Bible says of 1/3
of heaven's angels were cast

563
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,120
down from heaven from the
rebellion, you know, perpetuated

564
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,400
by Lucifer.
All of those same looking angels

565
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,920
are now in the demon category.
So where you have one side that

566
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,160
look horrifying and they're
saying be not afraid.

567
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,200
You have the other side that
look horrifying and they're

568
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,960
like, oh, you should be afraid,
right.

569
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:16,880
And so if, yeah, if there was
that prevalence in the Bible

570
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:27,160
times, let's say between 2000
and, I don't know, 6008 thousand

571
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,920
years ago, well, spiritual
beings don't die.

572
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,120
They don't have to eat, They
don't take a dump, you know,

573
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,120
they don't breathe.
You know, they're infinite as

574
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,640
far as we're concerned, you
know.

575
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:44,600
So would the same exact beings
be around then and still around

576
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,120
today?
Yeah.

577
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,760
You know, most assuredly so.
Yeah.

578
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:55,880
I mean, if Ezekiel's wheel is
pointing to, you know, what some

579
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,960
people would say a UAP and what
he would say is a Angel like or

580
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:03,520
demonic being, depending on what
the the context was that I'm

581
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,520
not, I'm not going to paraphrase
because I don't know, but would

582
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,400
that same being still be in
existence here today?

583
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:11,800
Yeah.
Right now.

584
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,240
Right.
And would that same being be

585
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:18,080
able to present itself to
people?

586
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:21,040
Yeah.
Now if you ever come across that

587
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,920
stuff, I'd love to bring dive
more into that.

588
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,600
Now, I don't think that angels
act upon their own free will and

589
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,560
just do stuff Willy nilly.
They are known as the messengers

590
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,000
of God.
So I'm pretty sure that there's

591
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,720
a hierarchy, right?
God assigns an Angel, Hey, I

592
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:39,120
need a message delivered to this
person, a very important message

593
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,640
because it's coming from God.
And then you would see that with

594
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,360
prophetic messages in the Bible.
It wouldn't just be an Angel

595
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,560
being like I'm going to stroll
down, you know, Broadway, go get

596
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,280
a corn dog.
You know, it just doesn't

597
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,760
happen.
They're performing tasks and

598
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,000
roles and things like that.
I think that where you find that

599
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,960
that would be like a, you know,
whatever I feel like doing at

600
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:02,600
this moment because I'm living
in rebellion would be in a

601
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,520
demonic sort of a sense would be
a you can't control me.

602
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,200
I'm going to do what I want sort
of a thing.

603
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,240
If I feel like possessing
someone today that I'm going to

604
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:13,600
do that, you know, So I think
that.

605
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:20,080
So I believe that most of what
you're seeing in the sky is

606
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,600
physical crafts.
And then the other side of that

607
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:31,080
is maybe 10 to 25% of it would
probably be a demonic influenced

608
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,760
being trying to deceive people
from what gain besides just

609
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,120
obvious deception?
I don't know.

610
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:39,880
All right, sorry, man, got to.
I'm going to cut you off.

611
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,960
Small answer your question.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, man.

612
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,400
And I, I had it written down
because I want to revisit that

613
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,000
in another episode.
I think that we.

614
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,760
Don't look at the really killed
wheel right now.

615
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:53,440
Well, hold on, hold on.
No.

616
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:54,680
No, Do that.
Do that.

617
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,720
Do do that later so that we can
talk about it on another

618
00:38:57,720 --> 00:38:59,880
episode.
It's too late.

619
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,520
Welcome, Spectrum.
Welcome to the show, buddy.

620
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,840
All right, next.
Next, we shift from modern

621
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:13,040
politics to a fascinating piece
of historical analysis, giving

622
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,600
statistical weight to a classic
14 theory, the link between UA,

623
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,760
PS and nuclear weapons.
Yeah, we segwayed pretty good

624
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,960
into this.
A new study titled Transients in

625
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:29,280
the Palomar Observatory Sky
Survey may be associated with

626
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,680
Nuclear testing and reports of
unidentified anomalous phenomena

627
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,560
was published in the journal
Scientific Reports on October

628
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,640
20th, 2025.
The researchers analyzed over

629
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:46,960
100,000 photographic plates
taken by the Palomar Observatory

630
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:55,360
between 1949 and 1957, a period
that predates the space age.

631
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,960
They focused on transient
flashes of light on these plates

632
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,920
and cross referenced their dates
with two other data sets.

633
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,640
Data sets the dates of.
US and Soviet nuclear weapons

634
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:14,520
tests and the historical UFO cat
database of public UAP

635
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,760
sightings.
The findings are compelling.

636
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:21,800
They found that transients were
45% more likely to appear on

637
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,200
dates within one day of a
nuclear test.

638
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,360
That link became even stronger,
showing that these mysterious

639
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:35,160
flashes were observed 68% more
frequently on the day after a

640
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,480
nuclear detonation.
Furthermore, the data showed a

641
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,120
direct statistical correlation
with the public.

642
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,800
For every additional UAP
reported in the public records,

643
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,560
there was an 8.5% increase in
the number of transients

644
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,080
identified on the photographic
plates.

645
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,200
This correlation is considered
statistically robust.

646
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,240
It suggests that whatever was
causing these anomalies in the

647
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:06,720
1950s was demonstratively linked
to the rise of the atomic age.

648
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:14,920
Now, I even included a neat link
in here so you guys can kind of

649
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,960
see what these plates are.
Here we go.

650
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,800
OK, so this is from Scientific
Reports from nature.com.

651
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,600
The article was published on
October 20th, and it's titled

652
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,080
Transients in the Palomar
Observatory.

653
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,680
Sky Survey may be associated
with nuclear testing and reports

654
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,240
of unidentified, unidentified
anomalous phenomenon.

655
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,200
And for those of you who don't
know how we used to take

656
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,440
pictures of the sky is on these
plates.

657
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:54,520
So these were from the same day,
19 July 195219 July 1952.

658
00:41:55,120 --> 00:42:00,680
You see where there are pictures
or where there are lights in

659
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,240
these pictures.
This one matches this one, this

660
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:08,600
one matches this one, But then
you have this one that seemed to

661
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,640
have moved from here slightly
higher.

662
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:19,960
If not, that's the same one.
But this cluster right here is

663
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,560
completely gone.
And you see a bit of a

664
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,360
difference here too.
And this is just, this is less

665
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:31,400
than an hour difference.
So you just said it's Skylink

666
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,600
from 1952.
I love it.

667
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,920
And then you see the same star
cluster two months later in

668
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,520
September.
Here's those, those four that we

669
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:48,960
were just pointing at right
here, 1234123412341234.

670
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:56,160
And yet these match this fairly
well, except for some, some are

671
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,960
a little bit brighter, right?
So ignore the ones that are just

672
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,760
slightly brighter depending on
how how clear it was that night,

673
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,520
but all three of these match up
pretty well.

674
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:15,600
This one, however, covers what I
was talking about as transients.

675
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,520
This is what we're we're
discovering that these

676
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:25,360
transients were showing up over
site sites of nuclear testing

677
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,280
during Cold War era, total
transients per data log in total

678
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,520
independent UAP reports per
date.

679
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,760
So I highly recommend if anybody
wants to, I could put this into

680
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,400
the chat if there's any request
for it.

681
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,160
But this is a really
fascinating, absolutely

682
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:50,720
fascinating article that dives
really deep into a lot of these

683
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:57,440
plates, the correlation with UAP
and nuclear testing dates.

684
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:04,840
But this, this organization,
this Palomar Observatory, put a

685
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:09,440
lot of time and effort, years of
time and effort into comparing

686
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:17,280
plates from before.
This is, this is key, a period

687
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,560
of time that predates the space
age.

688
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:24,800
So there's no satellites,
there's no space station, none

689
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,840
of it.
This is before we got the Space

690
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,360
4957.
What are your initial thoughts

691
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,720
before I get into the questions
on this one, Jake?

692
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,880
My initial thoughts are long.
Yeah.

693
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,320
Yeah, you.
Want to hear the questions?

694
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:48,520
All right.
So you'll notice on the the last

695
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,960
question, there was a reason why
why I got excited when you

696
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,600
talked about the Large Hadron
Collider, because we talked

697
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,000
about the observer effect, which
anyways you'll see that in

698
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,880
question 4.
But question 1, is a statistical

699
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,360
correlation enough to prove
intelligent involvement or are

700
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,680
we just detecting an unknown
physical side effect of atomic

701
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,880
explosions?
Now before you answer that

702
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,120
question, which we'll just do
this one at a time right now

703
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:21,680
because of how the last one went
in, in my script here and from

704
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,600
this article, pay attention.
They found that transients,

705
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,920
meaning that lights or objects
that showed up in one plate

706
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:33,760
compared to the others were 45%
more likely to appear on dates

707
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,880
within one day of a nuclear
test.

708
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:41,520
They don't say before or after
at this point, OK, that length

709
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,840
became even stronger, showing
that these mysterious flashes

710
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,440
were absorbed 68% more
frequently.

711
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:54,000
So from that 45%, 65% more
frequently on the day after a

712
00:45:54,400 --> 00:46:00,040
detonation, that means 32% of
them showed up the day prior.

713
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:07,280
So out of their abundance, their
100,000 examples of these

714
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:16,320
photographic plates, 45% of that
45,000 of those plates appear on

715
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:22,360
where they find an anomaly,
appear on a date within one day

716
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,360
of a nuclear test, 40th of
100,000.

717
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:34,960
Then out of those, 45,068% of it
is after, but the other 32% is

718
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,760
before the nuclear detonation.
I don't know.

719
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:44,440
I think that shit's fascinating.
Hood he said it was more likely

720
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:49,840
was there observed what's the
word to use transients on days

721
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,440
when there was no nuclear
testing Yes happened.

722
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,880
Yep, there there was.
So 65% of it happened on dates

723
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,480
that there were that that were
not within 24 hours of a nuclear

724
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,120
test.
So then the ones before the

725
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,080
detonation could be just
coincidence.

726
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:09,960
They could.
They could.

727
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:16,000
Is 32% a reasonable answer for
that?

728
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:24,800
So basically your your pathway
here is that the the 68% or at

729
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,840
least a good chunk of that was
definitely in response to

730
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:32,320
witnessing a bunch of boom booms
going off, but the ones that

731
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,520
happened prior were just
coincident.

732
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,840
Or it could be checking up to
see what's going on.

733
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,080
What's the status, you know?
Is the project going to happen

734
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:42,160
today?
Is the lunch going to happen

735
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:43,440
today or is it going to happen
tomorrow?

736
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,560
What's?
Going on this is, this is cool.

737
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,720
I, I like where you're going
with this because this was kind

738
00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:51,480
of where I was going to with it
too, and why I, I referenced

739
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:56,160
John Keel's research about the
correlation between political

740
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,640
borders and the day of the week
and the frequency of UAP

741
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,640
sightings from his book Trojan
Horse.

742
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,440
I think that this is really
important because this shows

743
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:10,040
that there's intelligence, like
the the knowledge that there is

744
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:14,240
something occurring, OK, Whether
that knowledge is military

745
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:20,440
intelligence, right?
Where, hey, we have information

746
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,200
saying that the Soviets are
going to shoot off this bomb.

747
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:25,960
We should probably go watch
this.

748
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:31,320
Or is it an unknown entity that
knows that this is occurring

749
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:36,400
somehow prior to it happening?
Because depending on which one

750
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,560
of those is true, they're both
very interesting answers.

751
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:42,840
I mean, I guess it could be
either or.

752
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,440
I, I, this is, This is why I
brought this up today's, because

753
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,840
I, I think that this one out of
the three subjects that we

754
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,560
talked about tonight is, is the
golden subject.

755
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,120
This is absolutely astounding to
me.

756
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,240
I I mean, I've, I've read things
about like the, about these

757
00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:03,360
plates and the comparisons like
Jacques Velez famously talked

758
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:10,760
about plates and how there was
these non parallel anomalies on

759
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:15,840
them.
Now we're seeing a modern

760
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:21,880
research effort put towards this
concept and it's, it's, it's

761
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,920
crazy, man is and it, it, it's a
lot of it.

762
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,760
It's a lot of the same shit that
we see from the history of

763
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:34,160
Ufology.
And that is that when you look

764
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:39,480
back and you read stuff from
people that were quote UN quote

765
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:44,160
kooks or crazies like a lot of
people call John Keel, you see a

766
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,960
lot of this stuff coming back
around right now and being

767
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:54,240
proven to be real or claim to be
real by the scientific

768
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:56,040
community.
I don't know, man.

769
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:01,000
I think it's interesting when
here Question 2, what process

770
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,920
takes 24 hours to manifest after
a nuclear explosion that would

771
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,160
create an object visible in the
sky.

772
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,640
So this question is basically,
are the nuclear explosions or

773
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,360
atomic explosions causing the
difference in the plates?

774
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:22,120
I don't know what I don't know.
How do you how to phrases the

775
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:28,160
smoke or off gassing of atoms
from a nuclear test.

776
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,080
Think of like if you have a big
bonfire and you watch the smoke

777
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:36,320
go into the sky, and then
eventually it appears to

778
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,280
disappear.
Well, those carbon atoms are

779
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,520
going somewhere, right?
They're not just disappearing,

780
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,720
they're going somewhere.
Well, in the same way, if you

781
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:49,280
have a nuclear test, where does
all of that go and how does that

782
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,640
affect the atmosphere?
Does it get trapped in the

783
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,800
atmosphere right?
This is, these are all good

784
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,760
questions because the next next
kind of natural path question to

785
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:04,040
come from this exact thing that
you're talking about is how are

786
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,040
they taking these pictures on
the plates?

787
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,000
Is it sensitive to things that
we can't see?

788
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:15,400
Is there ultraviolets in there,
infrareds in there that we can't

789
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,720
see that is showing up on these
plates so?

790
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,360
Spectral Assassin says some
weird byproduct like Aurora

791
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,520
borealis in the atmosphere.
And that could be it could be

792
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:33,440
that the literal radiation
caused by the atomic bomb

793
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,920
testing could be causing an
anomaly.

794
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:41,320
But that only answers the
question post explosion.

795
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,520
It doesn't answer the question
before excuse just got to go.

796
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:46,560
See you Skeeter.
Have a good one Skeeter.

797
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,440
Hope.
Hope you enjoy the new format

798
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:54,800
man.
Well then prior to I would. 32%,

799
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:59,440
excuse me. 32% isn't if it was
higher.

800
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:04,920
If it was like 80% likely to
occur the day before, right?

801
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,400
That would be pretty high.
That'd be hard to argue

802
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:11,120
coincidence. 32% is kind of.
It's on the line.

803
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,520
It's it's large enough to be
like, it is kind of strange,

804
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,720
right?
But at the same time, it's not

805
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:22,880
enough to be concrete.
And I agree with that.

806
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:27,400
But also where all of the,
because I saw those, those two

807
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,160
graphics that you showed, right?
Or there's 4 graphics that you

808
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:35,400
showed right.
It appeared that the anomalies

809
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,680
were in the same place.
And I'm curious as if they're in

810
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,680
the same place every single
time.

811
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,280
No.
So these anomalies were taken on

812
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,120
plates from all around the world
in different areas of the sky

813
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,920
like.
If you took a chunk of sky and

814
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,040
you're like, OK, well, here's
the anomalies right here.

815
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:59,520
Here's this group right here.
You can see within an hour and

816
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,000
then a year later or a month
later or whatever it was.

817
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,360
Every time we did a testing same
section of sky, did the

818
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,880
anomalies show up in the same
spot of the same section of sky?

819
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,480
No, they were they, they
traveled very well.

820
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,880
Either they traveled very well
or they were completely

821
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:19,760
different anomalies and they,
the the formations of them were,

822
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,320
were very different.
A lot of times it was just one

823
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,960
that was a clear anomaly, not
just a brighter star.

824
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,320
And sometimes it was groups of
234.

825
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:33,360
I think that they, they said one
plate showed an anomaly count of

826
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:37,920
almost 130 and they were not
transients.

827
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:38,960
Yeah.
That's the word that's being

828
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:39,760
used.
Transient.

829
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,440
And they use.
They use the word transient

830
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,000
because they move right.
It's the.

831
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:50,160
In the same way you would the
old way, you'd talk about a

832
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,520
person that moves from town to
town as a right.

833
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,160
Exactly, exactly.
All right, Question 3.

834
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,000
Yeah.
If these were orbiting objects

835
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,440
or metal reflectors if you will,
where did they come from?

836
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,040
Did the phenomenon only become
visible or active once humanity

837
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,680
develops nuclear weapons?
So basically this this question

838
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:16,120
is a A2 layer question right?
The first one is, are these just

839
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,480
objects in the sky?
Are these natural satellites,

840
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:23,200
Right?
News came out a little while ago

841
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:27,400
that we surprised we have a
second moon for like 50 years

842
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:28,560
and then it's supposed to go
away.

843
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,960
Yeah.
So could it just be just a

844
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,360
random object orbiting our
planet?

845
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,880
Not necessarily a man made
satellite, but a natural

846
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,800
satellite, a rock piece, piece
of space debris that's up there,

847
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,160
right.
That is it is a good question.

848
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:49,840
It is I believe a good question.
But in the case that it is not

849
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,560
we're because we don't really
have plates from before this

850
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,240
time frame.
And then after this time frame

851
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:59,040
technology advanced so far that
we started taking pictures,

852
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,680
right.
So it wasn't, this is kind of a

853
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:08,840
strange part in history where we
had the technology to take these

854
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:16,200
primitive photos of space to see
these these transients, but.

855
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:18,840
Are they just a naturally
occurring thing that we don't

856
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,040
have evidence for before we
start doing that?

857
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:25,400
Correct, right.
Or did they appear because of

858
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:29,720
the nuclear testing, which again
pushes the questioning back into

859
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,880
the UAPUFO realm?
We'll say that they were

860
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:39,520
physical objects like rocks or
whatever, and they only became

861
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,600
visible because of what the
nuclear tests were doing to the

862
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,120
atmosphere.
See.

863
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:46,040
But we won't.
We won't.

864
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,800
We don't have all.
That's like the Strom Strom

865
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,760
Dinger's cat or whatever the
guy's name is.

866
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,000
It's.
Schrodinger.

867
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:58,120
Schrodinger Cat.
Think of it like this.

868
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:03,440
Did the other galaxies in the
universe show up because we were

869
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:07,080
able to invent telescopes that
could see that far out?

870
00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:10,120
Or how did they always exist
before the telescopes were

871
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:14,760
invented?
This this is a quantum question

872
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,880
too.
If you asked primitive man, they

873
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,840
would be like, I didn't know
that that was a thing, right.

874
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,440
Those those just appeared.
I've never seen that before.

875
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,600
Yeah, yeah.
Let's let's move into question

876
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,240
for us.
I think this is a good, good

877
00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:30,160
segue.
Does this show the observer

878
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:35,520
effect in actions in action, or
simply that the phenomenon

879
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,200
becomes globally visible at
these key historical moments?

880
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:43,120
Now I put a little sidebar here
to help explain what the

881
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:47,920
observer effect is.
The observer effect is the

882
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:52,200
principle that the mere act of
measuring or observing A

883
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:55,200
phenomenon necessarily changes.
The phenomenon itself is most

884
00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:58,960
famous in quantum mechanics,
where the act of measurement

885
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,560
forces a particle like an
electron to collapse from a

886
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:07,720
blurry state of possibilities, a
wave function, into a single

887
00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:11,840
definite reality or particle.
The observation dictates the

888
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,720
outcome.
We borrow this concept to ask a

889
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:16,720
deep philosophical question
about UA.

890
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:21,440
PS Does the UAP phenomenon react
to being observed?

891
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:27,960
I would say yes.
I mean, it's known now because

892
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:33,400
of quantum physics and all this
study that, as you just said,

893
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:38,600
electrons can change depending
on whether they're being

894
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,720
observed or not observed, which
is really weird.

895
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,480
You know, it's like super weird
stuff.

896
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:51,520
Does that mean they're sentient?
I don't, you know, but if well,

897
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,480
I mean, there has to be a point
to their visibility, you know,

898
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:02,160
let's say it's as it's as
vanilla as letting us know that

899
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:07,120
there's something else out there
and it's as horrible as at any

900
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,160
point, the thought that could
drive you insane.

901
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,840
They could just come down here
and start wiping us off the face

902
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,800
of the Earth like like War of
the Worlds in the tripods,

903
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,480
right?
So it's like from one side to

904
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,840
the other side, but they're
allowing themselves to be

905
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,600
observed for some reason, let's
say.

906
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,800
If it's not, I'm framing this as
a way as if it's not like a

907
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,880
military vehicle, right?
But even then, why would the

908
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:40,600
mail a black budget program or
why would Northrop Grumman allow

909
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,800
their top secret vehicle to be
witnessed by people and

910
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,480
documented and stuff?
Really doesn't make a whole heck

911
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:52,760
of a lot of sense unless there
is some reasoning behind that

912
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,360
observation in whichever way you
go with it.

913
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:58,080
And what's the reason?
I don't know.

914
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:00,920
The questions, the questions,
the questions.

915
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,960
It's a good question.
It is a good question.

916
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:07,440
But the answer to that is much
more complex because it requires

917
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:13,600
the knowledge of why.
And as far as I know, I'm sure

918
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,760
there's very few people on the
face of the earth that could

919
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,080
tell you the why to that
question.

920
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,280
I feel like, I feel like the
conversation that we're having

921
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:25,120
now makes the first section, the
first topic that we talked about

922
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:30,880
more important.
I feel like I do, I do, I do

923
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:35,920
because because I I definitely
do believe that there is stuff

924
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:40,560
known, there's information,
critical information known about

925
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,240
this phenomenon.
Because I agree with you, I

926
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,880
don't think that everything
we're seeing is from the same

927
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,840
source.
I don't think we're seeing the

928
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,520
same thing over and over and
over again.

929
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:55,600
I believe that there are
multiple and not just two or

930
00:59:55,600 --> 01:00:00,760
three sources for this.
And I also believe that a lot of

931
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,920
them aren't even intertangled
with each other.

932
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:08,320
I believe that, you know, they,
they may be aware of the others,

933
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:15,320
you know, existence, but I, I
think there's so much shit going

934
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,120
on.
That we don't understand in our

935
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,760
skies.
But I do believe that the

936
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:26,920
government or the US military
does have more of a grasp on

937
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:31,400
this than than we do as
civilians.

938
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,720
Sure, of course.
And I think that it is important

939
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:40,560
for congressional oversight to
be applied to these anomalous

940
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:45,320
programs from the DoD.
I want to see this, I want this.

941
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:50,720
But you and I both know very
well-being military or ex

942
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:56,120
military, that they are very
good at finding loopholes and

943
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:59,600
adjusting how they attack
certain situations.

944
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:05,600
So making it so that it's
legally required to brief

945
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:10,160
Congress on everything UAP
doesn't necessarily mean it's

946
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,920
going to happen so.
Think of it this way.

947
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,840
I want to give someone an
example.

948
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,520
And I can say this because I'm
not an active duty anymore.

949
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:24,200
OK, so everyone knows that when
when oil or gas or some sort of

950
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:28,000
hazmat is spilled into the
ocean, it's a huge problem,

951
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:32,880
right?
the US Navy, we can't throw say

952
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,040
like plastic bottles over the
side of the ship.

953
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:41,280
They have to get taken to shore
and they get or on the boat and

954
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,800
they get compacted into these
big flat discs and they get

955
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:46,640
stacked up.
And when we go to shore, they

956
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:50,040
they take them and they throw
them, you know, in your

957
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:56,360
recycling center, right?
Aluminum cans can get thrown

958
01:01:56,360 --> 01:02:00,080
overboard because the salinity
of the water will break them

959
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,720
down relatively quickly.
Food waste can get thrown over

960
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:09,480
no oil or hydraulic fluid or
petroleum products of any kind.

961
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:11,240
It can be can be dumped in the
ocean.

962
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:19,400
However, if a plane takes off at
Max capacity and pass the land

963
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:25,520
back on the carrier, they are
allowed to dump as much fuel as

964
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:29,760
they can or as they need to into
the water.

965
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:35,240
And that might mean a fully
loaded Hawkeye with say like

966
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:40,960
20,000 lbs of fuel on it taking
off, doing a circle and a

967
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:45,840
pattern around the ship once,
dumping 75% of its fuel into the

968
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,200
water, and then landing back on
the boat, getting refueled and

969
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:53,440
doing it again and again and
again every single day, day in,

970
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,080
day out for nine months straight
while that boat's.

971
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,160
Out.
That's a loophole.

972
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:02,240
The legal loophole?
No, we're not needlessly dumping

973
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:06,040
petroleum into the ocean.
However, we don't want our plane

974
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,760
to crash into the deck and kill
everybody on board, so we're

975
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:12,640
going to do it anyway.
And for those of for those of

976
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:17,520
you that I think that this may
be a joke, the literal system is

977
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,360
called fuel dump.
Google it.

978
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:26,960
So I'm just saying like if like
I'll put this in a like, this is

979
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:30,520
me putting that thought in a
much simpler perspective.

980
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:35,560
But it happens every single day.
I guarantee you it happens every

981
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,360
single day.
Now, the legal loophole might

982
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,400
be, oh, it's international
waters.

983
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,720
Yep.
Or it's not contractual.

984
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,960
Yeah, or it's, well, we're not,
you know, it's not like the BP

985
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:52,960
oil spill or whatever it is, but
there still is some, there has

986
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,040
to be some impact on the
environment and yet they're

987
01:03:56,040 --> 01:04:00,400
going to continue to do it.
Yeah, they'll have one civilian

988
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,920
on the boat that that throws
garbage overboard.

989
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,760
And it's like, well, we didn't
do it as the US Navy.

990
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:10,200
It was the cook.
But I mean, I'm just saying like

991
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,320
so it.
Was if.

992
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,240
They were to be legally held on
on trial.

993
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:21,360
Whoever say like who's our
current SEC def.

994
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,280
What hag, Seth?
There you go.

995
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:30,280
If he was held on trial about
the US Navy's, like, I don't

996
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:36,720
know, Environmental Protection
in disposing of hazardous

997
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:44,480
materials, technically speaking,
yes, we have used oil drums.

998
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,560
We have all these sorts of
things that get changed out

999
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:47,680
every single time we go into
port.

1000
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:51,200
Then you get changed out, right,
and the oil gets disposed of the

1001
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,920
way it's supposed to be and
broken down and recycled and

1002
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:55,080
blah, blah, all the sort of
stuff.

1003
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:56,560
We're not throwing plastic
overboard.

1004
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,240
We're only throwing things
overboard that can either be

1005
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,960
completely broken down by
natural processes relatively

1006
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:07,120
quickly, like metal, or food
waste that gets eaten up by all

1007
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,200
the fish and stuff.
I mean, they dump it and then

1008
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,520
you watch all the fish and sea
life come up and start eating

1009
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,280
it.
And that happens with our sewage

1010
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,280
too.
So keep that in mind next time

1011
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,520
you're offshore fishing.
Yum.

1012
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,800
Oh, it's like feeding fish in a
fish tank.

1013
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,920
They just come swarming cloud.
It's disgusting.

1014
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,960
And I'm sure that they would
never bring that up.

1015
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:32,320
They would never bring up that,
you know, my own wife saying,

1016
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,360
yeah, I literally watch them Max
out a plane.

1017
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:37,080
It took off.
And they were like, oh, never

1018
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:38,520
mind.
We don't need that plane to be

1019
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,760
up right now.
And it dumped nearly all but 10%

1020
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,360
of its fuel just so it could
land and take off and land again

1021
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,360
if it needed to.
So it missed the wire.

1022
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:52,000
Fun fact, the E2 needs a certain
amount of weight in order to

1023
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:56,240
take off, but it dumps a ton of
weight as soon as it's over the

1024
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:59,520
ocean so that it has Max
efficiency.

1025
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,920
So the the heavier it is due to
all the fuel, the more fuel it

1026
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:06,720
uses because it's got to push
harder.

1027
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:11,200
So they they dump a ton of the
fuel and actually keeping less

1028
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,320
fuel in the tank makes it last
longer.

1029
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:17,040
It's, it's strange, but it, it,
that's, that's what they do.

1030
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:20,280
They, they fill it up so that
they can be at the weight they

1031
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,960
need in order for the flats at
20 to be able to get that thing

1032
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:27,080
off the ground right.
Bernoulli's principle that it's

1033
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:31,400
at, And then when they're in the
air in order to fly most

1034
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,360
efficiently, they dump a ton of
it.

1035
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:38,880
And I know it sounds stupid, but
it it it's actually it works.

1036
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:44,600
So take that principle and then
bring it into something way more

1037
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:49,440
heavy of a topic like defense
against anything that could come

1038
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:53,880
from off planet to attack the
United States or the world,

1039
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:57,240
right?
And then try to find, you know,

1040
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:01,120
try to find all the loopholes
that the US military, U.S.

1041
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:05,840
government, the feds would be
able to jump through to keep

1042
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:09,320
from revealing its secrets to
the general populace.

1043
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:13,200
Who there's no way that that
would not become.

1044
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:18,640
There's no way, there's no
conceivable way that a release

1045
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:22,400
of that information could
possibly be remain a secret.

1046
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,280
It's not like it's not like
everyone on in the United

1047
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:29,040
States, they can be like, OK,
we're not going to tell our

1048
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,600
enemies.
It's just like it's never going

1049
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:34,880
to happen.
The Full disclosure they might

1050
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:38,520
give us, I mean, I could see
them giving us everything with

1051
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:42,800
the exception of like the
propulsion system or the weapon

1052
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,600
systems.
I can't see them giving a lot

1053
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:46,960
of.
Things they could be like oh

1054
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:53,440
it's made out of nano carbon
titanium bond thing you.

1055
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:58,640
Know we're we're going to get
something even like we're going

1056
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,320
to get some stupid.
Out of metal, they're.

1057
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:04,240
Going to be like, you know, the
skin on an acorn.

1058
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:06,920
That's it.
That's it.

1059
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,840
And hey, I mean, for most of the
people asking, they'll be like,

1060
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:13,640
well, thanks for letting us
know.

1061
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:15,080
Appreciate it.
It's like.

1062
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,439
That all the podcasts are going
to be like, did you hear?

1063
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,359
UFOs are made out of acorns?
Did you hear?

1064
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:27,640
Yeah, it turns out Turns out
that John Carver didn't say that

1065
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,560
peanuts could only be made into
particle board.

1066
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,560
They could also be turned into
spaceship.

1067
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,120
Halls.
Multi domain vehicles.

1068
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:39,000
Yes.
All right, Section 3, you ready?

1069
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:43,560
This one's a little bit lighter.
Finally, let's take a look at

1070
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,279
what is happening in the sky
right now.

1071
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:50,279
Today, Sunday, December 14th, we
are in the midst of the

1072
01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:55,439
spectacular Geminid meteor
shower, which peaked overnight,

1073
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,359
delivering up to 150 meters per
hour.

1074
01:08:58,359 --> 01:09:01,359
Thousands of people have been
actively scanning the sky.

1075
01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:05,760
This naturally leads us to a
surge in sightings.

1076
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:09,560
However, recent reports across
the Fordian community are

1077
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:13,680
describing classic glowing orbs
that defy the predictable

1078
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:17,520
physics of a meteor which
streaks and vanishes.

1079
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:22,240
Witnesses describe objects that
one sustain a fixed position in

1080
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:26,479
the sky for minutes, often near
constellations like Orion 2

1081
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:31,560
exhibit non linear movements,
erratic jolts, stops, or changes

1082
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,640
in brightness that rule out
aircraft or lanterns.

1083
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:40,439
The orb is the simplest yet most
stubbornly unexplained Fortian

1084
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,560
phenomena.
Are these reports simply

1085
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:49,640
misidentified meteors or are
truly anomalous objects taking

1086
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:53,240
advantage of the high number of
sky watchers during this

1087
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:56,040
celestial event?
The continued flow of this

1088
01:09:56,040 --> 01:10:01,840
simple high strangeness reports
of these simple high strangest

1089
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:06,120
reports provides A crucial
counterpoint to the high tech

1090
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,760
classified UAP data coming from
Washington.

1091
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,760
The contrast between the
predictable physics of the

1092
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:17,800
Geminids and the erratic non
celestial orb reports provides

1093
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:21,120
the perfect amount for us to
ask, are these misidentified

1094
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,960
space debris or is this the pure
stubborn, high strangest

1095
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:29,000
phenomenon that official
government reports struggle to

1096
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:33,080
categorize?
So just like I did with the

1097
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:37,600
other ones I have AI have a
little bit of show and tell to

1098
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:41,200
show you guys.
This is this is actually really

1099
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:44,520
interesting.
This is if you don't, if you've

1100
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:53,680
never looked at the new fork
website, NUFORC new fork and you

1101
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:59,600
are interested in UFO sightings,
you should be looking at this

1102
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:05,200
kind of stuff.
So this Jacob is new fork.

1103
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,880
Say hello new fork.
I thought that was a new

1104
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:16,560
pronunciation for Norfolk.
Well, so I have it currently on

1105
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:24,520
the latest investigations page.
Here is where I found all the

1106
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:32,160
evidence for these ORB reports.
Now the screen that we're

1107
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:35,640
currently on isn't necessarily
for the ORB reports.

1108
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,280
There's ways to filter this
down.

1109
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:42,920
So like if you go into the
databank here, databank tab at

1110
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:46,000
the top of the screen, you come
down here and you go to tier one

1111
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,040
reports.
The the last page that we were

1112
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:55,880
on had like 48 reports.
This one here has 1576 entries.

1113
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,200
Now the cool thing about this,
right?

1114
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:01,680
And we're going a little off
topic from the orbs right now

1115
01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:07,400
just because I'm, I'm excited
to, to show you guys this is

1116
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,520
that over here, you can click on
where it says open.

1117
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:19,000
So this one happened on December
1st, Jamestown, NY and 2 pilots

1118
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,400
observed 3 aircraft.
You can click on this and it'll

1119
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,680
give you as much information,
right?

1120
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:30,840
So we had two military pilots
airborne over Southern Ontario

1121
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:35,600
and it'll give you a description
of of their sighting.

1122
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:40,560
Now there are a lot of these in
here which come with pictures or

1123
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:45,960
hand drawn, you know,
descriptions of, of what they

1124
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,680
saw.
And here's look at that.

1125
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:51,160
You need to check out the Enigma
app.

1126
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:53,160
I have.
OK.

1127
01:12:53,560 --> 01:13:02,040
Yeah, this is, you know, this is
one of those triangles.

1128
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:05,760
In fact, when you if you go back
and listen to the episode that

1129
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:12,440
we talked about lights on UFOs,
this is a perfect example of

1130
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:16,000
exactly what I was talking about
perfectly well spaced out

1131
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,880
lights.
This is difficult to determine

1132
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:24,040
whether or not that's AII know
that's a lot of the things are

1133
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:29,520
the the assumption that people
are jumping to right now is that

1134
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,920
a lot of this is AI.
But you have things like this or

1135
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:38,840
reports like this where people
tell you of a of a whole list of

1136
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:42,120
things that they saw.
And then you have hand drawn

1137
01:13:42,480 --> 01:13:46,880
pictures.
Jake, I want to show you that

1138
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,800
you can filter this down by
state.

1139
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,280
You go reverse and go to
Wisconsin.

1140
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:59,480
Guess where there was a sighting
this walking home 11:30 to 12:00

1141
01:13:59,480 --> 01:14:02,120
sat on bench halfway home and
noticed triangle of lights in

1142
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:03,440
the sky.
Could see the outline of the

1143
01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:05,520
object and.
You can't see that because it's

1144
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,680
kind of blurry, but I'm going to
assume it, says Menominee.

1145
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:10,400
It does.
It does.

1146
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,400
Yep.
Menominee, Wisconsin.

1147
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:20,400
Yep, this was in occurred April
24, little over a year and a

1148
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:25,240
half ago.
So this is one source that I use

1149
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:32,720
for confirming that there were
reports coming out of orbs

1150
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,560
during this meteor shower.
What's the site name?

1151
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:42,120
Sorry.
This is new fork nuforc.org.

1152
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,000
Thank you.
Yeah, and at the top, if you

1153
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:51,800
click Databank will be your your
best will give you pretty much

1154
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,720
exactly where we were here.
Actually, I'll, I'll share the

1155
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,440
screen one more time because
there is a cool feature in this.

1156
01:14:58,440 --> 01:15:02,400
When you click on the map tab,
it gives you a picture of the

1157
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:08,040
world and you can see where all
of the sightings are.

1158
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,680
These little red dots, Samuel.
Goodness.

1159
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:17,840
So green means recent.
Green dots are on the recent

1160
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:25,040
list.
So this database is huge and

1161
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:31,080
right here where this nice big
glow up is, that's Menomonee,

1162
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:36,080
Wisconsin.
No, it's Minneapolis, but still,

1163
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:41,000
it's pretty Dang close, right?
So where we're at is like right

1164
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:44,440
here.
I don't know, there's a clear,

1165
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,280
there's Menomonee.
Look, there's a couple of them

1166
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:55,440
right there.
Fact that Red dot might might

1167
01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:58,920
actually be Elmwood.
No, Ellsworth is down here.

1168
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:00,640
Where's Plum City?
Now?

1169
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,680
We're just playing Oh,
Elmwoodriger.

1170
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:07,080
So if you guys have not ever
messed around with this website,

1171
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:14,280
I highly recommend it.
I pulled a ton of ton of things

1172
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:20,040
off of this for my book.
It's a phenomenal site, so by

1173
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,120
all means, please check that
out.

1174
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:24,160
I'm going to dig into Norfolk,
VA.

1175
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:31,080
Man, it's it's probably crazy,
but so I do have a few.

1176
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,400
I'm just going to run through
the four questions on this

1177
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:38,280
really quick, Jake, so that we
can get this knocked out and

1178
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:41,040
then I will let you play with
Norfolk the rest of the night.

1179
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:48,320
So why are so many this is #1
why are so many highly motivated

1180
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:52,480
viewers reporting objects that
are stationary, pulsing or

1181
01:16:52,480 --> 01:16:55,920
moving erratically?
2 How do you differentiate an

1182
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:59,520
intelligent non human orb from a
commercially available

1183
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,520
high-powered drone using only a
cell phone video?

1184
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:08,320
Three, are witnesses naturally
looking at the most prominent

1185
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:11,520
constellations, or is the
phenomenon positioning itself

1186
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,200
against a clear celestial
backdrop to be observed?

1187
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:20,240
4 Does the truth of the
phenomenon lie in the official

1188
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:24,240
declassified reports, or in the
fresh, spontaneous reports

1189
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:29,760
submitted tonight to date to
databases such as New Fork?

1190
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:39,680
So basically a rundown on those
questions is pretty much the

1191
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:41,680
same thing we've been following
all night.

1192
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:48,360
Is it that these orbs one, are
they even orbs are are people

1193
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:50,040
reporting the right thing?
Now?

1194
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:54,840
I have seen some videos and some
pictures on new fork that do

1195
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:58,400
seem like the they're not,
they're not meteors.

1196
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:02,120
OK, They are some there's some
really good footage on there.

1197
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:07,560
There's videos and everything on
on that, that website, but a lot

1198
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:11,440
of them are probably most likely
just misidentification.

1199
01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:16,800
A really good portion of them
are misidentification, but the

1200
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:21,280
ones that people are seeing,
they're reporting to be next to

1201
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:24,720
consolations.
Now, if you've ever gone out and

1202
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:29,120
looked at a meteor shower, it's
not the most exciting thing,

1203
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:33,520
right?
There could be 180 to 300

1204
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:37,280
meteors that go off in the
night, but it's not going to be

1205
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,080
directly over your head all the
time.

1206
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:44,760
And if they're not at the right
angle, a lot of times you'll

1207
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:47,600
never see it.
If they're not low enough in the

1208
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:52,120
atmosphere to 'cause that burn
up to create the famous tale,

1209
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:57,960
you're not going to see it.
So a lot of times you're stuck

1210
01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:02,200
doing consolation watches, which
means that you're sitting out

1211
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:05,720
there and you're looking at
Orion's belt and or some minor

1212
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:08,560
or some major blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, right?

1213
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:12,760
You're trying to make fun of the
time that you're spending out

1214
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:16,080
there.
So I think it's more or less

1215
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:21,280
that people are seeing objects
because they're looking at

1216
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:24,040
constellations and they just
happen to be next to the

1217
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:25,800
constellation because that's
where they're looking.

1218
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:30,840
This was more or less my own
argument for this point because

1219
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:37,560
I am seeing a lot of videos pop
up on X TikTok, Instagram,

1220
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:44,040
Facebook, everywhere of people
reporting UFOs during this

1221
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:50,120
meteor shower.
But to the untrained eye, it

1222
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:56,080
could very well look like an
orb.

1223
01:19:56,240 --> 01:20:01,520
But realistically, there's only
been a handful of them that I've

1224
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,120
seen that really do look like
something.

1225
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:08,120
A lot of people you, you when,
when these meteor showers go by,

1226
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:11,840
you can tell how many people
have never seen a satellite move

1227
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,240
in the sky.
I mean they're, they're up there

1228
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:17,600
man, and they move and it's
weird when you first see one

1229
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,960
you're you're going to look at
and be like, what the fuck is

1230
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:23,680
that first time?
Just.

1231
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:25,160
Starlink.
It blew my mind.

1232
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:26,840
I had no idea what I was looking
at and.

1233
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:30,440
We we still get reports of
Starlink every day.

1234
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:35,640
Yeah, I get, I get emailed
pictures of Starlink and people

1235
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:37,360
are saying, dude, you got to see
this.

1236
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:39,000
Look at this.
Look what just showed up in the,

1237
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:44,040
in the and, and the horizon I
in, you know, Kansas.

1238
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:49,200
And it's like, yeah, man, I I
stopped responding to him

1239
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:51,000
because I just feel bad for
people.

1240
01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:55,440
But you know, people are like,
yeah, my kids saw it.

1241
01:20:55,440 --> 01:20:58,080
I saw it, my wife saw it.
My, my, my father saw it.

1242
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:00,280
He said he's never seen anything
in his life like that before.

1243
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:07,920
Well, yeah, yeah, probably not
because Starlink didn't exist,

1244
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:09,400
you know, it's.
Pretty new, yeah.

1245
01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:17,240
So, you know, it's a, it's an
exciting time, right?

1246
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:20,600
A lot of people when you see
the, the meteor shower show up

1247
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:25,640
in, in media, you know, news
channels and people get excited.

1248
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:29,040
They want to go out and see it.
The reason why you're looking up

1249
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:31,160
there and you're seeing things
that you don't recognize is

1250
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,840
because you're going outside and
looking up, and a lot of people

1251
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:39,320
don't do that.
So there are some strange things

1252
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:43,600
in the sky, but not everything
that moves is a UFO is basically

1253
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:45,800
what I'm trying to say.
Yeah, that's fair.

1254
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:49,520
Yeah.
Jake, did you want to go over

1255
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:52,120
this, this screen share that you
have or did you just forget it

1256
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:54,400
was there?
This isn't mine, this is yours.

1257
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:59,320
Is it mine?
Yeah, silly boy.

1258
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:01,400
Oops, dumbass.
What an.

1259
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:06,160
Idiot.
All right, well that has been

1260
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,640
another episode.
Wait, Jake, do you have anything

1261
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:11,080
cool?
All right, well that's been

1262
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:13,200
another episode of the Infinite
Rabbit Hole podcast.

1263
01:22:13,480 --> 01:22:15,560
I hope you guys enjoyed the new
format.

1264
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:20,360
This is just a way for me to
share what my interest is for

1265
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:23,600
the week on weeks that we don't
have a guest.

1266
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:27,680
That way you're just not hearing
us come into the conversation

1267
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:29,000
being like, I don't know what to
talk about.

1268
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:31,720
And then we just eventually
start talking about something 45

1269
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:36,400
minutes into the episode, which
is a common complaint.

1270
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:38,240
And I get it.
I understand you're coming here

1271
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:40,400
to listen to things.
And then for, you know, for the

1272
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,560
1st 45 minutes, we're just like,
I don't know what to talk about.

1273
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:45,240
And then eventually somebody
talks about something and then

1274
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:48,320
that sparks the conversation.
So this is a way for me to fix

1275
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:50,480
that.
I hope you enjoyed it.

1276
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:55,880
I hope we'll see you next week.
Until next time, travelers will

1277
01:22:55,880 --> 01:23:00,000
see you right here in the next
fork in the path of the infinite

1278
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:01,760
rabbit hole.
Bye everybody.

1279
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:08,840
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1280
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:10,920
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1281
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:14,120
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1282
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:16,800
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1283
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:20,320
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1284
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:22,200
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1285
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:25,240
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1286
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:28,280
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1287
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:32,200
And until next time, travelers,
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1288
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,680
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1289
01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:35,680
Bye.