Beast of Bray Road Part 1: The Background of the Beast

0:24 Covered in long, dark brown. Shaggy fur from head to toe and describe commonly from 5 to 7 feet. Tall went on two legs. The Beast is considered to be the definition of The Mending of wolf and man it is said to have strong well-defined legs knees that been like those of adults and hands. That resemble an uncanny. Make sure minute and Equipment, all with the head of a German shepherd and Claws. Shredded victims, it would be wise to steer clear of the area. Ray Road at night. Those are lucky enough to witness it. Tell if it's incredible speed, it's terrible attitude and it's love for knowing and flesh, fresh roadkill, careful.

1:06 Now, Elkhorn can be dangerous. When you're trapped on the side of the road with a flat tire and those that don't heed the warnings of a chilled even harsher, seen something that they wish they had. No, that's my dog. No worries that a man that there was a local werewolf. The Beast of Bray Road. Welcome back to the rabbit hole.

2:00 Welcome back to the infinite Rabbit Hole. I'm your host Jeremy and tonight we are going to dive into one of Wisconsin's. Best urban legends, the Beast of Bray Road, but before we do that let's go ahead and say hello to the other host of the night. Jacob and Ken's are will start Ken's our kids, are how you doing today? I'm good. Just chilling, you know, hanging out. What do you know, of the Beast of Bray Road? Not a whole lot, to be completely honest with you. It, let's move on. Jake, how are you doing? I'm pretty wiped out, but I'm ready to be blown away and I know pretty much everything about the Beast of Bray Road. Like, I could do this episode but I'm gonna let you do it and laugh at you at your mistakes.

2:42 That's not true at all. You don't know anything about the Beast of Bray Road because I know some stuff watch on YouTube in the last 15 minutes. Yeah. Which was a lot. I watched all the interviews in five minutes and I was like, that's it. Yeah I did the same thing. Jake did but I was more honest about About it. I know nothing. Well that's not more honest. You know most of it as well. We both got this sure we can go with that. Anyways, little bit of background story on tonight's episode today was supposed to be something different. So I can't remember if we had mentioned, what the next episode was going to be on the last one but Whatever it was is now going to be in two weeks because this is actually going to be a two-parter today. We're going to break this episode into the first part which is going to be the Beast of Bray Road and the history of it as well as a story.

3:36 And then the second part we're going to dive into stories and Encounters of the creature similar to how we did the Jersey Devil episode tonight. We have someone coming in from Good Old Northern Illinois, but she grew up in southern Wisconsin. It's about 20 minutes away from Bray Road in Elkhorn Wisconsin Caitlin. Welcome to the infinite Rabbit Hole. How are you doing, good? Thanks for inviting me. Well, thank you for showing up a little background. Caitlin here, Caitlin is my wife's best friend. My wife also grew up about 20 minutes away from Bray Road and I'll tell you something, a little embarrassing. Is that before I joined the Navy, I actually lived up there to of the Kenosha. I'd say about 30 40 minutes away from Um, Elkhorn where Bray Road is and I never took a trip out.

4:30 The bright Road Caitlin. Have you seen the Beast? I have not. I might make that our summer Adventure me and the kids driving out there though that definitely is worth it. It's not too far away. Kids wave at the werewolf. We watch all sorts of sci-fi stuff in this house though. They'd be into it. Well that wouldn't necessarily be sci-fi. That would just be there. Well, the The Hunt, The Adventure of finding, yes, until they see it, snapping the head off of raccoon on the side of the road. Hey, no one likes raccoons. I'm just saying she got a point. They got to see those hands. Do you have creepy little hands?

5:10 I try to stay away from him. I had one jump at me one time. Snarling. And yeah pretty rabid so Caitlin ha ha. Hey, over there. What are you laughing? A boot her pun. She says she said the raccoon sound a little rabid. Ha, ha ha ha ha. And I'll get it anyway. Well boys, so Caitlin. What do you know about the Beast of Bray Road? I know very little other than its name. Yes, I know that it's closed and and that's about as far as my knowledge. Goes so every once in a while because I'm also friends with Kaitlyn, I consider her one of my close friends.

5:57 I check in, I'm like, hey Caitlin, are you doing? She's like, oh, you know, just living my life stitching things, and making things in my Cricut and, and almost like, hey, you know, you grow up next to the Beast of Bray Road and she's like, yeah, I don't know what that is. I was like, well, that's a local creature. She didn't even know she grew up near this thing. Yeah, I just threw you under the bus Caitlyn. Go ahead. Oh I had to look it up. I get to learn a lot and I'm excited. So basically I brought someone on that lives near the epicenter of the story but knows nothing about it. So I get to educate a local on their own story.

6:37 I'm gonna love it, dude. That's cool. Yeah, it is pretty cool guys. Ready to jump in? Oh yeah. Yeah. Am I allowed to do that? Yeah, absolutely. You're part of the episode talk. Okay. I cus, I didn't know if I was allowed to cuss. That was a. So we just learned that she does not listen to the show. It's okay. Are you sure you're talking to three people that listen to it right now? So don't worry about speaking of we just hit 20,000 listens all between the three of us. Yeah, I saw that spamming the crap out of it. Alright, let's jump into the Beast. You guys ready? Mmm.

7:18 All right. Yes. Sir, the first newspaper article referring to a werewolf like creature in Southeastern Wisconsin's Walworth County was printed during the slow week between Christmas and New Year's Eve of 1991 in a free weekly newspaper called the week. The area of concern was the cornfields just outside of the City of Elk Horn and the rumors were running wild through out the area of a creature resembling a stereotypical werewolf of Legend, lore and pop culture. But even though the free local newspapers, first mention of the Beast was in 1991 articles in the archives, a library of other newspapers have mentions of an upright walking hairy creature as far back as 1936. Elkhorn has a population, just a hair over 10,000 and is well known for its beautiful.

8:13 Norman Rockwell asked Town Square, the residents are spread out, and are known more for the farming lifestyle than the science fiction stories, just east of the main area in Elkhorn rise. The Infamous three and Summit Mile, Stretch of pavement known as Bray Road, this road is mostly populated with old van teams that have been passed down through families. Ali's for Generations but there are plenty of areas for both predator and prey to live as well.it between The Rustic farm houses and cornfields long Bray Road. There are stretches of forests Marshland Meadows that are said to hide the Beast, which made the road. So famous So welcome to Elkhorn Wisconsin, everybody. Thanks for the invite.

9:03 Gosh. It's so pretty here is right. Tell us a little bit about Elkhorn Caitlin. I dropped off my cat at the vet there. Good. How's the vet in Elkhorn, good? They gave me some good kitty, drugs to take home and those my cat with good. Nice, good. All right? Yes, yes. This is mrs. Great episode. Let's do this. All Right, Moving On. Linda Godfrey is well known as the historical keeper for the Beast of Bray Road and has written a handful of books. Mentioning the topic one book, simply titled.

9:43 The Beast of Bray Road is the best compilation of information, centered around the creature and its history ever written in her book. Miss Godfrey talks about how the stories began and sleepy County of Walworth Wisconsin. The whole thing began with a woman who worked as a local bus driver, who contacted Linda Godfrey was rumors running, wild amongst the high schoolers. That there was a werewolf like beast in the area surrounding Bray Road. The woman gave Godfrey the name of a girl who took her out and recommended that she look into the story. After getting the blessing of her editor, Linda said out to talk with the girl, she was amazed to find that not only did she know what Godfrey was referring to, but also that she was able to give an impressive list of other names that she can also talk to. Also to Linda's, surprise.

10:37 The list included the names of a few adults as well. So, that's basically the beginning of the whole thing. We're going to get into those stories that Linda Godfrey got into when she was interviewing these young teenage children, basically, and the bus driver. A little bit later, we'll get that into that beginning of episode 2. So go ahead and put a tack in there, but your bookmark in this episode. So you know what? The very early stories of episode 2 or talk referring to this is it right here. So Before we jump into more about the Beast of Bray Road, does anybody have any questions? Comments concerns. Well, basically was the bus driver turned investigator know. So the bus driver was getting worried about all the kids talking about a werewolf like creature along very Road. It wasn't necessarily that she wasn't investigated, but come to find out that the bus driver also had a sighting of something as well, which will go over a little bit later. Linda Godfrey was the one that really shined a light on everything and it's kind of hazy a little bit as to where the true beginning of the urban legend, or this this mythological creature along.

11:57 Bray Road actually began. But just for like a sturdy. Starting point. I started off with Linda, Godfrey's investigation of the creature. Okay. And who is she? She was a reporter for the weekly newspaper from Elkhorn Wisconsin, which was a free news live. Okay, it's a weekly news lit so it wasn't necessarily quietly a newspaper but it's like one of those free ones you get in your driveway and you throw away. Okay. The state of Wisconsin is extremely fruitful with a history of strange animals and creatures that stalk the night time. Tree lines, along old dirt County Roads, one of the earliest flaps that was described in. Godfrey's book, The Beast of Bray Road was a short series of stories told to her by a woman by the name of petty Gil, Patty was Born in 1948 and Appleton Wisconsin about two hours Northeast of Elkhorn and closer to the Green Bay Area. She claimed that there was a rash of Encounters in the Years between 1958 and 1968 with a creature around the town that would hide in the shadows growl and snarl at all hours of the night.

13:11 The creature was known for attacking doors and peering in Windows as well as attacking parked cars, while people were still inside them. Witnesses claim that the creature was not as big as a typical Bigfoot, but bigger than a typical dog. With most people claiming that the creature walked both on 4 legs and bipedally, it is hard to determine what this animal might have actually been. Could this be a very early flap of what we now know? As the Beast of Bray Road, what about a relative? Well, Godfrey also points out the encounter of a Richard Mo in 1964 in Odds Worth Illinois just about an hour southeast of Elkhorn, which includes an encounter with something with at least, a 10 foot arm span and a set of large.

13:58 Yellow eyes. Nearly nine inches apart attached to a large head, with a short pointy ears on top whatever it was. It had an interest in what Moe and his girlfriend were doing at the time in his car on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere. And when the couple spotted the creatures Paws around seven feet apart a distance. That's Man from the front corner of the passenger side, windshield to the back left corner of the back window mode, jumped into the driver's seat and took off, never looking back. So what do you think they were doing it? Mmm-hmm Machan, they were trading pokemon cards X. Yeah, totally. Totally a thing.

14:38 Then they were playing with pogs. Good old pogs. That was a very strange description, the smaller than a Bigfoot, but bigger than a normal size, or an average sized dog. Well, eventually you'll see that there's a lot of different stories about what could be a lot of different creatures around the area. Now, one thing I really got to point out is that the The first story I talked about was a good distance away to the northeast of Elkhorn and the second story was also a good distance away. Southeast of Elkhorn.

15:20 Now, the whole area here is just smothered in creature. Sightings whether it be a bigfoot-like creature or a werewolf like creature. So, are they all talking about the same thing? No. It's kind of tough to say is it all what the Beast of Bray Road is I don't know man. That's will get inside a later but that's in our thinking about it was like what's the average sized dog? And I was like, probably a lab right rise. Like Fred's 170 pounds. He is much bigger than a normal or average sized dog, but no one would look at Fred and be like, it's a beast. Like they'd be like that. Dang that dogs, a beast and be like, yep, and then versus a 800-pound ape righteous like I'm like, wow, what a weird description.

16:09 It was big. The loaf of bread, but definitely not as big as a minivan. I'm like, oh shoot. Like man, that's a huge, huge variation I guess. Listen, Matt, do I agree with it. I'm just reporting on it. That's all fair enough about you ladies anything? No, I think he had it pretty spot-on with the very wide range in size. But I'll admit, that was a pretty dumb description. Yeah. Well, they were too busy in the windows were foggy.

16:50 They couldn't sighs. It was all that hog augen their pocket bawling in the backseat. When did lawn darts come out? They're probably playing with lawn darts inside the car. They already had weapons. They were fine. Oh you know what they were doing, 64. Probably playing with their light rights. They're probably find some people really like a really dark Road, super super dark. They're like you'll really work it out here, fucking light, bright and listening to Jail House, Rock by Elvis on Loop. Duh. Yeah, that sounds like an amazing time though.

17:33 That's sounds really good. Until until something that could be as small as a dog, or as big as a semi-truck happens to it. Hi. Good one. All right, moving on. Then the media began picking up the story first by the Janesville Gazette. About 30 miles west of Elkhorn, from there. The story went out on Associated Press and within a few weeks, the story was being discussed by newspapers and news stations all across the country. When the Godfrey began getting phone calls from places like Baltimore San Francisco, Chicago and Milwaukee requesting to interview her for their radio show or TV shows. This was not such a good thing for the residents of the area, as many Hunters began to show up and walk around the woods at night near and around, Bray Road with loaded guns. These Hunters would walk on private. Crop Fields yards and even peek inside people's windows at night.

18:37 Trying To catch a glimpse, the true story of the Beast. One place and I'm Ed. They were so sorry, ma'am. I'm trying to find the Beast. She's one place in a nearby. Illinois, town, even sent busloads of people on won't quote, werewolf, tours to the Sleepy town of Elkhorn the story quickly, spread from the news world, to the entertainment World rather quickly. The story had been picked up, Up by Spirit magazine, October of nineteen ninety. Two and a crew for the show, sightings appeared in Elkhorn to interview Witnesses for their series, but the Beast was never actually highlighted in the program Inside Edition.

19:26 Did end up running a clip on the creature in 1993 and movie just barely failed being made, which would have starred Mick. Fleetwood drummer, and co-founder of the band Fleetwood Mac starring as the Beast. One of the more interesting articles of entertainment that come out of the Beast, scare was in February of 1992. When a DJ from Michigan, took listeners on an imaginary hunt for werewolves in Elkhorn, Wisconsin. But really, he just staged the entire thing from a park outside of Grand Rapids Michigan. Now remember this was a radio show.

20:06 This very early adoption of a docudrama hint complete with witty characters and a horrific story line which ended with Scream snarls and then silence. After the radio station, admitted that it was all a story. Many people called in to State their opinion about how they believed, they were really listening to people die at the hands of a werewolf and some even compared it to 1937, s Orson, Welles War of the Worlds. Whoops. So what do you guys think? I think that they should have capitalized more on it right off the bat just like not just a few werewolf tours and stuff like that.

20:49 But I mean like really go all out on it right? Some T-shirts. Yeah. Pens we do when we buy our t-shirts. Right. Hey. But that good t-shirt she did she's one of the few people outside of us that have bought a t-shirt. Thank you Caitlin. Thank you. You're welcome. I need another one. Yeah, just listen to show their Good t-shirts. You know. I have not listened to it entire show because I have too much to do but I do listen to the whole thing. Sure. You know, if I can poke you in the eye with this damn needle through the computer, I would yeah. Well I'm a little children settle down that way.

21:30 Ask his wife. Anyways now a lot of people are going to be missing Huge chunk of the story, right here and I did that on purpose. So like what is going on? What is the Beast of Bray Road? This is kind of a little way of getting you to make sure that you come back for episode 2. When we talk about the sightings and it's stories which it all will make sense. Once it's all said and done, I promise you but let's just say that there were some events that happen. Which caused the national news wire to get involved and the story spread like wild flower wildfire wildfire like that. So you better not drop that link for the Inside Edition or they'll be.

22:12 They'll be sitting there knowing everything about the story. Like me and cleanser. I will definitely drop that link. All right you guys ready to move on? Yeah we get into the entertainment world. The Beast did end up making its way into the small screen a few times. The Beast of Bray Road was highlighted in the episode of the new version of in search of on the Syfy channel, as well as animal legends and lost tapes of Animal Planet and other programs. Such as haunted highway America's urban legends X and Arcane Slammer rang in search of monsters Expedition, X and Mystery Hunters on Discovery.

22:54 Kids Canada. Yeah, there. Is a fictional drama ended up finally being made in 2005 by the Asylum. Productions and was also made into a really badass documentary by the small. Town monster crew simply named The Bray Road East. Now, I tried to watch this movie. I got to the first kill and I can't watch anymore. I was done done. Why not this horse? Was it? The monster was it just so terrible. It was everything. I mean you watch you watch monster quest, don't you? And that shows garbage it's not garbage.

23:35 Dated garbage hot trash. I would say that some of the episodes are hot trash but there's some good episodes. Dude if you're if you're talking shit about Monster Quest you retry that there's some good stuff there now pass anyways. Okay, I'll be there. I'll be there. The I'll be the deciding vote. Just remember this stuff was like, Sharknado has better animation, that's not true at all. No, that's probably 80 is trash. Sharknado is newer than monster quest. Yes, and budget though. This is probably pretty case.

24:18 What was so bad about the movie because I'm probably going to watch it and just be like, wow, dude time. I'll never get back ever, so it does exactly what you're going. You think so. So the the movie starts with them closing down a bar and there's like these the few dudes and chicks that are outside the bar and, and like this one to use a big boom that let's do this. And she's like, no, I really don't want to wake up on your futon, listening to your, your roommates, or whatever. And it was really awkward, really dumb. And then the guys, like, hey, I heard the and then the guy Who's trying to get the girl to come back to its place is like, dude.

25:01 Shut up. Try to get laid over here and and I was like, oh my geez dude. And she's like a steeper cringy. Sounds like a Sci-Fi original. Yeah, it's worse than that. Oh no, you talking about like be flicks. This is like a g flick nice. Yeah the monster was like a sock puppet. No the monster the monster honestly like for how low budget the movie. E was wasn't at add a guy with a hairy face. I was straight up expecting like to see a dude in a hoodie has the monster, but it honestly, the monster wasn't all that bad.

25:42 I mean, you're going to watch him do like, wow, that's a shitty monster. But like, look at the rest of the movie and just be like, okay, at least they put some kind of money into the Boxster. You have to drop me a link for it in the chat because I'm a connoisseur of terrible movies. So this is There's a terrible movie. That's how I know that monster quest is so crap, you know. So the first kill happens, she pulls over on the side of the road because our car goes dead and she pulls over and instead of them showing it like Pitch, black and dark and where there's no lighting whatsoever. She's literally under a spotlight car, broke down and now the only streetlight in 20 miles not how it always works though.

26:29 You're telling me that's never happened to you have to sweetie all the time. Then she gets sliced in the face by the clause and it's like oh great. No, it wasn't great. But anyways Healing didn't watch the movie. Sounds like a really bad porn. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if it goes down. If you send me the link, I'll watch it. I'll put the kids in. They can suffer with me. You're an awesome, you're awesome. How does that is parenting? Their high five. All right, you guys ready to move on? Hmm. Yes, almost done with part one already. Dang it short episodes.

27:13 Well this one's going to be a little on the shorter end but the next one's going to be nice and long for you to worry but I'm married. Hey buddy, bear with us while we take this quick break. So we couldn't have been, right? A lot of people will have more of an opinion after the next episode. But let's go down some of the options. There are tons of theories about what the Beast of Bray Road could have been one of the more famous in common answers to this is that the creature is something called a dog, man. In particular, a sibling cousin or the creature itself known as the Michigan, Dogman, a radio, DJ by the name of Steve, Cook Play the song, he wrote titled The Legend Live on air on April Fool's of April 1989 soon.

28:08 After the song played he began getting many phone calls reports of people or someone they knew who had a story about the same creature. This creature became known as the Michigan Dogman and this is where our coverage will end for the Michigan. Dogman for the night Ali, jump into this topic much further down the rabbit hole because we actually already visited once but we're going to revisit Because we did a terrible job, so don't go looking for that episode in July of 1964. A man who wished to remain anonymous from Delvin, reported witnessing a Bigfoot as he drove home from work between midnight and 1:00 a.m. just off of Highway 89, just Northwest of Elkhorn.

28:51 The first witness, the creature in a cornfield, on one side of the road as it jumped, the fence about four and a half feet tall and proceeded to run across the the road and jump the fence on the other side. He estimates the creature as being seven to eight feet tall and weighing north of 400 pounds. The creature, which clearly running on two legs and look like, it could have been a very large and Harry human. In 1974, a woman from Fort Atkinson. All the Department of Natural Resources to state. That there was a large ape-like creature walking around in her yard upon investigation. There proved to be no sign of the creature.

29:33 But two weeks later, the same woman called, again, completely terrified. This time saying that the creature walked up to her front porch and began shaking front door. This time investigators discovered a slash on the side of her house seven, Above the ground, one of our horses. Also, at suffered, a 30 inch gash on its neck and there were plenty of footprints this time. Now, one thing to remember is that there is an agreed-upon theory that there may be many different kinds of Bigfoot. Here in the u.s. one of those types is a type that we have not touched on yet in our American Bigfoot series and that is the googly or face either type, which is known to be close to this general area. The gugg.

30:18 We is known to have very similar physical features to the typical Bray Road Beast description more on the googly, in the future episode of in Finn. Radical course. In a lot of encounter stories will be covering in the next episode. That's around the Beast of Bray Road. There are a few telltale signs that point directly to Bigfoot. Strong. Horrible smells guttural, screams six to eight foot tall Silhouettes and general, curiosity are just a few that may point at all of these sightings in stories, really, being about our show's official / unofficial mascot old bigfeetz, which is well documented. And Warren, Coleman's, book, mysterious America.

30:59 In a newspapers of the time they came gurus were living freely in the wilderness of the Midwest in the 40s and are still randomly seen reported to this day and don't forget during author, Denver Michaels, first appearance on our show, we discussed what he believed when it came to dog me outside, he believes that kangaroos are responsible for the dogma of phenomena that has swept the u.s. in recent years. The next culprit, the Borel faggots, which was an ancient hyena like dog found in North America some time from the pliocene to the pleistocene roughly 10,000 years ago in.

31:41 Godfrey's book near the end, she goes over a different angle for the answer of what the animal be a demon, she explains that the first-ever article about the Beast of Bray Road and strange magazine included a quote from the June 1991. one Milwaukee Sentinel article sitting quote pets, mutilated collectivities suspected in Lynn, in which there was a flap of mutilated, animals popping up around the Lynn, Township that included dogs cats on identifiable skeletons with their throat, slit, and limbs decapitated, and some even had their heart, other organs, remove, this led authorities to start a search and investigation, Nation into possible Cole activities in the area. To this day, there has been plenty of evidence of cool activities in the area.

32:35 Mostly centered around the area of Milwaukee, just 45 miles, Northeast of Elkhorn. In fact, the entire area has had a number of high-profile cases that include cult activity or satanic Worship in 2011. Two women attempted to murder a man, a stabbing him over 300 times and there are Apartment in act that they later described as a Satanic ritual. And in 2014 in Waukesha, 30 miles, north of Elkhorn, to 12 year old girls almost kill the classmate of theirs in order to appease the character of a famous, urban legend known as Slender. But, no matter what the creature actually is, one thing is for certain the locals began to believe that there was something to all the sightings that there were popping up. And when local police in a few members, the community began carrying silver bullets with them at all times, it became very clear that they believe what the creature was aware. 300 times, three hundred fucking times, Is it someone someone look like he lived he lived.

33:50 He would look like hamburger meat a thing. Holy dude fucking lip had to have held back. There's no way. Have you heard of that Kaitlyn know. The Slenderman thing I knew about, but that was national news. Yeah, the Slender Man. 1 was a big case. I remember hearing about that be. That's international news because she's from Canada. Named Uncle Andy. Ha ha ha. Knee. Slapper. I know you guys don't have a really good description of it other than what I put in the intro. But out of all the things that I kind of brought up there, is there anything that kind of matches the description in your mind? I think it'd be more likely that it's a werewolf than a kangaroo. I don't know.

34:34 Denver Michaels made a pretty good argument about it. A really good argument about it. The height the way it jumps the we those are scary and select. I'll send you the video that Denver sent me. And it's basically like this kangaroo at the sliding glass door and this kangaroos have claws, man. They have like A human-looking hands and Claws. But pectorals, and like, delts that are just like, boom. Yeah, I know. They're super strong. Yeah. Like if I saw the silhouette of a kangaroo, I might think it's dog or werewolf. Just saying it's crazy.

35:18 That people got so into it that they were, you know, walk around with silver bullets and stuff. I mean, that would be rather expensive but at the same time it's like What could you really like, where is the line between cult activity and like animal sacrifices in the woods and stuff like that? And, you know, quote unquote beasts, that's killing things out there to the average person, you know, that's not it just hearing about it, right? You know, and I don't know, man, some of this stuff that we'll get into later, could be cult activity. You know, and one of the theories and I think I touch on a little bit later is the idea of a tulpa where, you know, either a tulpa or something that's brought on by satanic worship, which would be even scarier. I don't want to like, dig into your, your sidings and stuff. But I did some research on it, but I didn't find any examples of it like killing people just animals, roadkill, stuff like that, unless you're going to get into it, but it was just like, You know, when I think of a dog man or werewolf or something like that, there's like people being attacked, not just people stumbling upon something, eating roadkill, and then it jumps over a fence and they're like, you know, oh no, oh no, there it is. It's cleaning up the streets.

36:52 So we don't have to see that every day for the next two weeks, you know? I'm just saying unless they're mad because it's that perfect time of the year. And you know dear gets creamed by a truck and you could just run out there and grab it, you know, I'm just like because I mean still, it's still good meat, it would be like you gross. But I mean, you know, let's be real. And they're like, oh, that dang Beast. Stole that fresh kill. I don't know, man. I'm like, I'm not gonna like you said, I'm not going to dive into the sightings or anything at the stories? Yeah. Entertain me at all. I know right now, I am seeing you later. Don't worry Bud, we'll get there. I'm So Married two, ladies in this chat room. I know, Jeremy's being all gross. I'm trying to be like I'm trying Be like scientific and and and thinking about things and thoughts and whatnot. And he's over here with his fake country accent and sexual innuendos, thinking about how much I was so beautiful. I love her so much.

38:02 She don't listen to. This is my Haven. She's like you embarrassed me there. Sure is. Getting from Caitlin. Oh, please. Oh yeah. Now you don't even want to hear the things that my husband have said to me. Recently. I don't want to hear the things. You're right. I don't, he's like a 12 year old boy, sometimes of the weird things that come out of his mouth are entertaining though. Let's get it. Let's get into what else it could be. Well, if it wasn't some mythological cryptozoological or extinct animal nor was it brought into this world by way of Satanic rituals.

38:43 Then what real Zoological animal could, it have been, well, the wildlife and Walworth County is fast, a ton of animal species that could fit into vague descriptions of the Beast, do live in the area. The typical animal spotted are coyotes and foxes, but even some domesticated dog, breeds get blamed as possible, perpetrators. It's a Great Pyrenees and an Irish Wolfhound, although rare more dangerous animals, wander into the area of and around Elkhorn, Wisconsin animals. Like the American black bear and gray wolf are spotted frequently in the area and cause many citizens to believe that the Beast is no more than a large deformed or mangy black bear or wolf you guys think?

39:30 A Great Pyrenees is here white and they look like big giant, massive Poof Balls. Hey man. I'm just going off of, what's up the, like, I don't know. Who's out there. Seeing a Great Pyrenees and they were like, oh God. It's a monster. You tried to lick me? What? It was a Min ji grape hearing. What if it got into a mud puddle. Yeah, I don't know. Cancer looks like she's the expert in this she's squinting. She knows how about Olivia have expert hair. I know nothing doing great kid. Aw, thanks. So proud of myself over here. Yeah, I don't know.

40:15 On the other hand I like you guys well, if idea, right? Sorry. Continue Jake. Oh no, I was going to say. Have you ever seen a shaved bear before? Shaved? Black bear. They look like the Guardians Of The Night. Our realm, like there was a mangy, black bear, holy moly. I could see someone looking at that and being like, that's a dang werewolf dude. Shave bears are scarier than ones with hair. They're freaking terrifying. It is there. Yeah. Right. It's not just their hairs or skin. That looks like a giant mangy rat.

40:56 Yeah. That is terrifying, right? So yeah, if it was like a bear with like manger is, you know, Something like that. Yeah, I could absolutely see someone saying that and being like, I have never seen that before in my life and it's gonna it's gonna haunt my dreams forever. Yeah, I mean anybody listening to this definitely needs to take time to Google what a shaved black bear looks like because it takes 30 seconds. I just did it. Yeah, you guys can too. I mean, once you see it, you'll be like, oh man. Imagine if this thing because bears are known to get Up on their back legs, right? And you can walk a little bit on their hind legs. Man, if it's a shaved or mangy black bear got up and on time legs this this could be your Beast of Bray Road right here. Now.

41:49 I don't know about the jumping over fences and stuff like that could just be like some fluff around the story but certainly bears are you know, I mean, they're scavengers they do hunt and stuff too. But you know, that's why you gotta keep your food up high and blah blah blah all this stuff because the try to eat it all because they're scavengers. No fine. Roadkill, delete it. But yeah, if it was something like that like even if it's just one in one area and it kept getting cited like that would be enough to cause quite a flap people are just like there's a monster out here, especially if people didn't know what they were looking at because I mean Yeah, you guys ever seen this hairless baboon, dude, that's creepy.

42:38 Hairless baboon. Yes, go ahead. I'll wait all day my. What that? Okay, I'm gonna have nightmares now. Thanks. No, that is, that is really terrifying. Actually babylon's are really mean. Yeah. We, yeah, it's hairless one. No, thankin good to go. So, glad we don't have that problem here. It looks like a zombie. Yeah, it looks like a zombie of sorts. Oh my gosh.

43:20 Right there she goes. She saw it gross. Yeah, let's say in the least. Well, if you're listening to this, you may have gotten an incomplete episode because you guys don't know any of the stories but you sure to fuck out entertained by Googling everything. All right, move along Native American lore. This one's for Jakey likes. It's tough. Yeah I like this stuff. One other very common answer to what the Beast of Bray Road. Maybe is a Native American creature or Spirit such as a malevolent windigo or skinwalker. Side note, right, nope. Obviously the windigo no does not fit the description the beast in more ways than one but it is a common idea that we can worrier cryptozoologists and spiritualists toss around.

44:08 So I include but I do not believe that what we're dealing with with the Beast of Bray Road to be a wendigo whatsoever. So please go easy on the hate mail, just included it because it is included. Everywhere else. Okay, those are like Two different ends of the spectrum there. Yeah. Alright so before 1900 natives tribes were forced out of southern Wisconsin. Some of these tribes are the Ojibwa Ottawa, thus all Fox Ho-Chunk, and pop how to atami with them. The removal of many burial, mounds took place to make room for the new residents.

44:51 And this is where many people believe that what haunts the woods and the back roads of Other than Wisconsin may actually be a spirit once long Cast Away by native peoples, there are and work. So many burial mounds in this area at. There are now recognized national monuments and protected reserves that stands as a reminder. In a memory of what was once their animal Effigy Mounds were also common in the area Mound shaped like Thunderbird Panther lizards and turtles are just a few of the ones that we know sir. Stood in the area, some still stand to this day, in an interview, with Sean Hannity of Fox News, National News television channel, Linda Godfrey stated that she had made a map of these Mounds across Wisconsin and a map of what she calls wolfmen sightings as the visuals of the two maps overlay.

45:47 Each other, it becomes clear that the locations of the sightings in the ancient Native American Mounds do in fact share more than just a tie. With each other, in Native lore, another creature but the low a natives had stories about in their traditional lands of Wisconsin before ultimately moving as far south as Oklahoma, is the shunka warakin. The Shuka were Akin is thought to have been a known prehistoric relative of the hyena. Typically refer to as a ring doukas that was black or brown in color I shoulders and a back that sloped down to its hind quarters. The creatures name to the iOS. Shunka warakin.

46:30 Means carrying off dogs. There have been stories all along the northern midwest states of creatures matching the descriptions of ring doukas in the book cryptozoology. A to Z by Loren Coleman and Jerome Clark, they reference a cryptozoologist by the name, Mark a halt, it has documented, sightings of boat mean-looking, near wolf-like and hyena, like animals from Alberta Nebraska, Iowa and Illinois. There is even a mounted taxidermied, ring tokus in existence and currently at the Madison Valley, History Museum and is owned by the Ida Idaho Museum of Natural History.

47:12 Stand by this, might be something we dive into deeper but in order to stoke the fire behind the Native, American Spirit Theory a little bit. Linda Godfrey mentions in her appearance in the Bray Road East. Hurry by small-town monsters that during her research on Bray Road itself. She came across books in the local library. They referred to what is now known as bright Road as a popular Native, American trail, that eventually LED them to a few different lakes that were common to be used for their summer living. When students, I don't know. What do you guys think? I think Indian burial grounds have a lot more to do with stuff. Let me give them credit for.

47:58 I think Indian burial grounds have nothing to do with anything except being a cemetery for Indians. Well, Mounds are a little bit different. Not only did they bury their dead, but they also buried a lot of trinkets that were possessed or thought to be possessed a lot of pottery. A lot of art. It was also thought that they would they would bury anything that would cause their, their tribe or Village to Have some sort of danger, right? So let's say if there was a bear, that was causing them, a lot of danger, where it was going around. Killing a lot of people while they were out hunting, when they finally killed it they would add it or have it put into one of these mountains.

48:41 So the Beast is like Cujo, that's it? That's all you guys got. Yeah, I don't know, man. I'm still waiting to get into these sightings. Did you look up the ring doukas? I did. It's not As big as I thought it was gonna be, I thought I was going to be some, like, crazy big wolf or something like that. It really isn't that wild while I'm holes are big, you know. Mmm, but it's just like, I don't know. It wasn't. It wasn't what? I expected it to be, right, but the fact is that they've done DNA testing on this thing and it does not match any canid in the world. Which is pretty cool what the ring doukas. Yeah, it was shot by a farmer in Iowa. I believe it was.

49:28 Hmm. And it now is in a museum and Utah are not Utah, Idaho. And apparently like, this thing was like killing livestock and crazy shit. You can actually see a picture. If you, if you Google, bring doukas RI NG dios eus, there's a picture of the man who shot it. Standing next to the the taxidermied body. It's actually a pretty, pretty interesting. I mean you look at the body structure and it looks like a hyena. Yeah. Right. The but is tapered downward and the chest is Beefy. Mmm. You know, I suppose if something like that was running around, then it would be like, you like, oh jeez.

50:12 That's a crazy-looking wolf or dog, or something like that. I don't know. It's I'm still kind of in limbo with this whole thing because it's like nothing we've talked about so far with the exception that exception of the hairless bear has even come close to. Where if I was just, I don't know. I don't want to say walking in the woods but say like out on a unoccupied Road or whatever right empty road, just me and I saw something like this, right? Had car troubles. Because I mean, it happens and I saw something like this, you know. Know that I would be like say anything other than like dang.

50:52 That's a crazy looking dog. You know, that's a dang that's a big wolf or something like that, you know? That I would be like, oh my gosh, it's a beast or it's a monster, I have no idea what that is or something like that. You know, that I would go up to anybody else. And just be like, I saw some monster out there versus I saw some big giant dog. I don't know. And you know, like you said without the the stories and everything it's gonna be very hard to determine what what our opinions are on this thing. Yeah. And but that's it. That's all I have. That's the whole story and the background of the Beast of Bray Road and I know a lot of people are gonna be listening is like this fucking episode suck. But you know what?

51:39 This was it was the history of a local urban legend or cryptozoological creature. Which is actually, you know, something close to me personally when it comes to Kaitlyn and and my wife. So this is something I really wanted to cover and I wanted to do really good. I can promise you, I didn't miss anything. I definitely dug in and got probably a more than than what I was expecting to be honest with you. I was expecting to do all this in one episode, but I have quite a bit of sightings that we're going to go over in the next episode that will maybe spice up this episode bit more. So Caitlin, did you learn anything today? I learned a lot. It makes me really want to go to Elkhorn and start messing around.

52:25 Well, don't because all the farmers get pissed when people do that. Wow, talking like trespassing and all that nonsense. I'm just looking for the Beast. Depends. How many of these I get to have? Ya know just looking for you like hacking up a cow man like I needed. Wait for the Beast. That's what chicken livers for there was a story that I did not include where a guy, put out a bucket of KFC as an attempt to try to lure the Beast desert work. No, we brought in plenty of Reckoning. So it was actually Linda Godfrey in somebody else that went out there and they put the bucket of KFC out and they ended up not being able to stay out there the entire night.

53:16 But When they went back, the chicken was going on the bucket. Being weighted, could've been anything. I mean, should I cook at hobo-like? If I rolled up on a bucket of KFC, I'd be like, well, Finders Keepers, right? Yeah. But yeah. That's it. That's that's the whole background of the Beast of Bray Road. Come out. Can we give speculation prior to getting into the second part book? Yeah, we can dude. Go ahead. You start us. We will get into Cannes. So my first initial thoughts on it. I think that well, since I believe in the possibility that Sasquatch could exist and I'm very iffy when it comes to werewolves, Dogman, that sort of stuff. And I really hit like the kangaroo idea. I want to say right off the bat that this to me, sounds like mistaken identity for probably it's going to be some of the sightings just because you gave that very Strange description earlier.

54:26 I'm gonna assume that that's going to go into some people that are probably going to be describing describing a Sasquatch or juvenile. Sasquatch, probably describing some other things that certainly could be, you know, big dogs or, you know, I don't know. I've never seen a wolf man. I've never seen a dog man or whatever, or as the Inside Edition said a man wolf. Are seeing any that stuff but you know, why not? Why couldn't it exists? But yeah, I don't know. I am I always like to be err on the side of mistaken identity, but I think he did a really good job with the backstory of it Italy.

55:10 It puts us in a good spot for getting into all the all the craziness and then we can be like, okay, that makes sense. You know. All right. Kailyn, what do you? What's your initial thoughts? What do you think these promoters? I would like to assume that it's, you know, a bear with some skin tissue but realistically with like kind of like what Jake said, you know, with all the sightings and everything all throughout, you know, the whole freaking world of a Bigfoot. Sasquatch, like, it's just it's something, there's got to be, not all of them. Can be this one bear throughout how many Ears, you know, it's got to be there's got to be something deeper there than that.

56:04 I got it. I understand. So basically what you're saying is that there has to be a population there that has been there for a while because it's crawling over decades and 1bg bears not going to do that, right? Got it. But you kid, this is kangaroos kangaroos. I like the king hairless. Kangaroos. It's King Herod, airless kangaroo, no rabbit hairless. Kangaroos, they eat roadkill, they've got a Lust For Blood, it's unquenchable, yeah, not as the kangaroos friggin mom, I swear. It makes sense that there would be there could be a population of kangaroos.

56:52 Their big scary terrifying creatures. If I saw one in the dark those I'll beefed-up. I'd, I'd be shitting my pants. Just a believes that one video. That made it big couple years ago, that dude, punching the kangaroo. Yeah yeah. Yeah. Thinking about that thing was as follows him, it's crazy. I mean I don't know how big how tall the guy was, but that thing was, as tall as him in it. I know they can get, you know, they can stand way up high. That was, you know what? Big much like a good idea to but I swear it's kangaroos it's got to be kangaroos.

57:33 Yeah, yeah, I agree. That's the same time at the same time. I mean if this area that you're describing is as desolate as you described, then it would make sense that people would see a number of different things and if there's hysteria out there, the say that, like, oh my gosh, there's a monster running around out there and people saw Sasquatch or they saw a kangaroo or shoot. They saw wolf man. Why couldn't why wouldn't people describe it as all being the same thing and saying I saw the Beast of Bray Road you know? So I think that it could be a number of different things and we'll see when all the when you report all the sightings to us. Yeah. You know what their descriptions are and stuff, you know, I'm sure Caitlyn kind of kind of nodded her head a little bit when you were talking about, if it's really as desolate feeling anything it is out there, there's Nothing like good luck.

58:26 Finding a gas station off the main road, like it's there's nothing out there. Nice. That's a perfect spot to go hunting for a beast. I mean, come on. We gotta start doing this stuff, man. We're sitting here, like, oh, we'll do it one day now. I've has to go and get me surgery, you know? Yeah. But I can I can actually convince my wife to go on that trip. Yeah, you could. Yeah. She's like I'll go hang out with Kayla's. I could Jeremy and I are going to be in a tent out in the sticks.

59:07 Oh well you know comes our I'll be able to join one day anytime you want. Girl you let me know. I'll be there. Alright. Sounds like a good thing. I'm gonna put out my thoughts right? And I don't get to do that. I have, you know, I'll know when the stories, but listen up, Jacob, I'm gonna get some cups. That's good. So I have some information that I was going to save for a much later episode where I do. Because this episode, to notice this whole topic, right? Has really put me down the rabbit hole of werewolves, and I'm going to take a break from the whole upright walking. Canines for a while because I'm doing another canine type episode here very soon. but I know it is, I will say that I believe That.

1:00:08 There is a lot of historical evidence or an upright walking canine in history. And people saw these things. Let's I'm going to call them dog, man. That's my favorite term to go by. Right, what, what is this upright walking? Canine creature? Lot of people will calm werewolves. I like dog man. That's kind of the term that we use here locally here in the United States. What if? The difference between a dog, man, a werewolf right? Is that a werewolf shape shift from a human to a dog, man?

1:00:49 Right. A werewolf and the dog and write in a dog man doesn't shape shift at all. It just always is what a werewolf turns into. What if people were actually spotting these dog men but because you know, you're dealing with a more permanent - thought about things. You look at something that stands on two legs and you're saying, there's no way that, that's not really a human. And they think the first thing that pops in their head, and this has to be a human that turns into this thing. So, we're plus you have Decades of Hollywood behind it. You know, already shaping people's ideas, if they saw something like that, the ike that's a werewolf. I want to fact-check something really quick. Okay good.

1:01:41 So the word where I don't have a language for it. Just has a translation does not give me a language. The word where in some language. Looks like old high German where means man? So, the term werewolf actually means man-wolf you go back to even Egyptian times, right? And what was one of the most famous most popular hieroglyph that anybody's familiar with seeing right be, I think it's nubes writing this. Yeah, Anubis which is a jack.

1:02:22 Well what if that was a dog man Right. And then there's the stories of from Greece and some of the very, very early Olympic games where not only were it was only humans but there were also a race of dog. Hmm. All I'm saying is, is that, if it turned out that dude? I'm telling you, dog, man. Used to be like smoking, crack. You're like, no way, dude, this is not a thing. But this whole be Of Bray Road thing really sent me down the werewolves rabbit hole and I cannot wait dive into it. More Jeremy's going to be licking water out of a wolf print during a full moon.

1:03:05 Like the next one that comes up is whether they're siphoning out of the wolf print like rainwater. And we like soon soon, I'll fight. I'll get my final form, but I don't know. I, I think that this could be a diagram, I really do. Fair enough says the guy with all the research says the guy with all the yeah. So that is it, that is the end of episode 1. The background and story of the Beast of Bray Road from Elkhorn. Wisconsin, Halen, thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. Thank you, Caitlin. Caitlin also has a new Facebook page called Caitlin's Creations, right?

1:03:52 Yeah, when we post this episode, I'll go ahead and post a link to that. So if anybody wants to get something by Caitlin, They can reach out to you, right? And they do that for sure for sure, right? Look look, this had a benefit that you'd even know is going to happen. I did not. Yeah, trying not to be read on screen here but um, that's it guys. You guys ready to jump into sightings and stories? I need to take a bathroom break good because we won't do that until next week. Ha ha. That's been another episode of the infinite. Rabbit-hole podcast.

1:04:34 We'll see you next week when we dive into the Beast of Bray Road stories and sightings bye. Bye guys. Hi.