Black Hole Conversations 12/16/22

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So I just listened to about six
hours at a Skinwalker Ranch

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episodes, and I heard you guys
say such nice, things about me

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afterwards.
This is Danny, by the way that I

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believe in your message never
done this but I just wanted to

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let, you know how awesome your
show is.

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So Jeremy and Jake, and Wes and
Ken's.

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Are you guys absolutely totally
without a doubt?

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Rock.
Thanks for such great work and I

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plan on keep listening, as long
as you guys keep putting the

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cool stuff out that you keep
doing.

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And so thanks for everything and
I can't wait for the next

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episode.
Bye.

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And we'll just post it at any
time.

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Like we could just throw this
up, you know, we'll record it

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now and we'll just use it
whenever right, you know.

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We won't even do a proper
introduction, you know, they are

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one record one of those later.
No, we just don't even do it

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anyway.
That's not even a traditional.

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Yeah, by the way, if this is
someone's first episode, go back

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to.
Oh yeah, you chose to make your

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first episode.
So, I was down in the card shop

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and this is my wife's like
second or third time in this car

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drop and at the start, start the
story over for recording.

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Oh, might as well.
Sorry, I did it.

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Anyway, halfway through the
story.

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So to catch everybody up, we
were sitting down to record an

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episode to them and we just got
into like this conversation who

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are like, you know, let's let's
move this episode to know later

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date.
Let's just have a conversation

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because The black hole
conversation episode that we had

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actually did pretty good.
I got some good feedback from it

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and I thought it was fun.
Still.

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No it's full.
Canada wasn't wasn't a number.

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We're putting it all on you but
anyway course you are.

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I would expect nothing less.
Yes.

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Oh hi, Leah.
If you're listening to this I'm

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telling them the story of today
so which I actually just kind of

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forgot.
What?

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Oh, oh, oh, so I go in and I
start talking to Leo behind the

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counter, you know, talk about,
you know, picking up my Pokemon

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cards and whatnot, and then
Katie's out in the truck because

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she's feeding the baby and, you
know, some Katie walks in with

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the baby.
And I grabbed the baby from

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Katie and I go, hey, this is my
youngest.

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I just hold them out.
She's like, oh man, can I hold

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him?
And I looked at Katie, I was

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like, can she's like, yeah, go
for it.

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So, It over the baby and
everything.

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And then there's this, there's
this one girl who I've only seen

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in there like once or twice,
right?

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I don't, I haven't really talked
to her very much and I looked

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over, you know, I was like, I do
a podcast just just like, you

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know, like just some, some
majorly important thing that I

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play with your mustache while
you said I should have.

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Yes, I should.
I do a podcast.

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Are you okay?
No.

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It's fine.
Fisting, my beard.

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I can fist my beard with this.
So anyways, so left dents in it

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like a, like a foam mattress
that's nuts.

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My beard is moldable so I don't
know how it came up, right?

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We were just kind of talking.
I know, I told Katie, I was

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like, Leah.
She's the one who listens to the

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show because when Jake was down
here or up here.

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Yeah, over here.
We'll just say over when you

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were over here.
Here in ol skansen where

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everyone's super nice to
everybody.

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She actually listens to the
show.

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We just kind of nonchalantly
brought it up in conversation

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and she's like, yeah, listen to
that infinite Rebel.

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Yeah, my friend turned me on to
it or something to shoulder with

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the logo and she's like, yeah,
that one we're like, well, hey,

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we're taking German.
And she's like, oh, well, that's

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really cool down with 16,000
people, peanuts, that's pretty

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wild, that is pretty.
Be cool.

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But anyway, so the story from
today was this is pretty funny

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her and my wife kind of got into
a conversation, right?

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Just about the show and, you
know, about how much time it

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takes up and all that.
And she was trying to come up

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with the name of one of the
co-hosts.

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And she, oh, it was because she
listens to the episodes first

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and then her kids listen to it.
So she but she listens to it's

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like pre-screens him for her,
get, right?

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And she's like one of the guys
she goes, it's not you.

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Me like Karma me she goes.
It's not you.

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But one of them I just don't I
don't know about and I'm like

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it's not me.
I'm the one who curses All the

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Time.
Jake Jake doesn't curse and kid

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isn't dude.
And I was like, you're talking

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about Jeff.
She goes.

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Yes, Jeff and I was like, what's
wrong with Jeff?

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She goes, I don't know.
He's just out there.

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Husband thinks, he's just out
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R.
Yeah he's like just a cool guy

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but he's fucking out there and
he's too far gone for my liking.

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I'm like well I like Jeff.
So it's fine.

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So so I thought I thought that
was pretty funny.

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Yeah.
So I ended up meeting her

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husband for the first time the
other day.

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You know, I was walking up to my
truck and he comes running now.

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He's like, hey, so I was
supposed to introduce myself.

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All right?
And, you know, forgive me, I

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for, I forgot you name it.
I mean, a lot of people, man.

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But it was nice meeting you, if
you're listening, listening,

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Leah's husband.
And he kind of talked to me a

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little bit about some of the
local haunts here that we need

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to go check out.
Apparently, there's a place

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called Devil's punch bowl, which
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Yeah, it's awesome.
Yeah, there's Hoffman Hills the

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Mabel tainter which is the the
theater.

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And then he was telling me about
this place where hellhounds are

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and I think I brought this up in
the last conversation a little

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bit.
Bit in this place called

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Caryville about where hellhounds
most of run around and I think

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that's going to be a pretty cool
place.

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But then we talked about this in
the last episode.

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Pretty sure we did.
I don't think so.

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No.
Oh well here it is.

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But everything earlier.
But I don't think I've heard it

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out of your voice your mouth
before.

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So well anyways Yeah, that's
pretty much it.

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Yeah, we, you know I'm so stoked
that You know, the the plans.

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Are seem to be going forward
with me getting a job at the

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fact that you're working at.
And just, you know, I had to

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have a conversation with my
parents because they were like

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oh you know, you're going to go
over there and you're not gonna

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know anybody.
I was like no Jeremy's going to

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be the anchor you know if
already open up their home to us

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and talked about helping us with
the move and the transitional

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that stuff but just how easy it
will be to be able to go and

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explore things like that for
both living in the same area.

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Yeah, just like I know, we
talked about that in the last

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episode, the black hole episode,
but Because we had those plans,

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right?
When we first started this, like

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we wanted to do that.
Ultralight backpacking trip

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through the Shenandoah forest or
mountain range, right?

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Good.
The national park.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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And I don't even know why that
fell apart.

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I think that we just couldn't
get a solid plan together and

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all that stuff.
And I'll be honest, I was a

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little bit iffy about it because
I had never done that before and

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you were super hyped about it.
It's like, well, I'm gonna die

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out there.
But that was before we had You

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know, a podcast together where
the ultimate goal was is to go

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and explore some crazy stuff and
I mean it's going to make that

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so much easier to go from here
to the next level and you know,

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I don't want to count Ken's are
out of this or Jeff had this but

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you know especially if we're
like using funds of the podcast

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to get people to fly into then
go and go to someplace else, it

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would cut that down
dramatically.

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If one of those people didn't
have to fly anywhere because I

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lived down the street.
Right, right.

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But now, I mean, I'm super
stoked about the projection of

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this this show because we're
finally, I feel like we're right

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on the cusp of like that next
step.

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Like we tried out having being
attached to a network.

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So if another Network
opportunity comes up, we at

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least know what sort of workload
is is surrounding it that and is

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all involved, right?
Which I think that we do, I'll

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be pretty much down for, but
being able to be at that spot

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here and it's still, you know, a
year away.

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But be at that spot where we can
see the next step approaching.

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And it's really not as daunting
of a of an idea.

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As it was at the very beginning
where it's just like and then

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and then we'll get into
documentaries and I'm like, holy

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crap, come on, man.
But now I'm just like, okay,

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yeah, you know.
We'll be in the same area and go

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explore.
Menomonie Wisconsin.

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You know I don't know what else
the Midwest has.

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As far as you know interesting
you know paranormal type stuff

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not like the East Coast which
had Jamestown and Williamsburg

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where if we had been at this
level living over there, we

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could have gone and explored
some Civil War battle grounds

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and things like that, right?
Some of that.

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Lee creepy stuff, but even still
I have no doubt that we'll run

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into some cool interesting
stuff.

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And I think that the next part
is just to be in a position

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where we don't talk about
anymore and we just go do it,

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but that's quickly approaching
and we can see it, right?

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We can see that next step and
it's it's pretty cool to be in

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this position.
I'm stoked to be living next to

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you and possibly be your
coworker and then, hopefully our

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relationship doesn't completely
fall apart because we hate each

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other because we're, you know,
to shift supervisors constantly

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butting heads.
Oh, we will, it'll be shift

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Wars, but it will be on the
infinite Rabbit Hole.

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I will do it over the mic just
talk shit about each other.

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Wait that's different from any
other time, how You playfully.

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Now, I'm not gonna like not to
hurt each other's feelings, but

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then, it will be too.
Just like, you know,

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deteriorate.
The relationship with me.

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Oh, it's gonna be so mean.
Oh boy.

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Oh boy.
And if we can get Ken's are to

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come move into Wisconsin, then
all we gotta do is conjunct

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Jeff.
All we gotta do is convince Jeff

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to not spend his money
recklessly so that he can come

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because he's never going to
move.

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No, he's not.
And I've never gonna move to

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Florida because I don't want to
be picked up by Mosquito and

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flown away.
But that's a real concern.

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You know, you gotta you gotta
think about that kind of stuff

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law gives me.
Yeah and what is he the death

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rate is so high in Florida,
right?

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I think that it's the missus and
I think that's the crocodile is

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crazy human beings.
Well yeah, half of them even

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human their floridans.
Yeah.

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The reptile folk.
Yeah, well you get what you get

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when you when you mix a human
with bath salts, a Floridian Oh,

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guess I could say that because
I'm from st.

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Pete.
But anyways, God it is.

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It is exciting kid.
You know what?

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Screw that.
We're going straight to the the

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listeners here.
Alright, listeners, got task for

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you guys to do Point somebody to
create a petition for kid to

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move.
Oh boy to u.s.

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Oh boy become an old Menominee
listener.

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Has to sign sided.
Every single one of you every

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single one reason why if one
person decides they don't want

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sign it, then I'm not Movin.
Sorry guys.

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But um no I mean you know on a
real note though, kid, if he did

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move here would make all this
stuff a lot easier.

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But I'm not gonna make no money,
change your nation because the

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stupid pot and this, oh no, I'm
a host of the podcast.

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Gotta Move.
Another country and work out

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like the rest of the ma'am.
So there's a lot to talk about

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today.
There's really not this is a

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this is gonna be a tough one.
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see, we're going to be putting
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right?
So that'll put us to what days

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can you come on out?
That's come out in the ninth.

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Yeah.
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So this episode should drop the
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Yeah, probably maybe, maybe.
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So that means it would be right
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So we'll start by our Christmas.
You know, let's talk about last

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year for Christmas.
We did Krampus this year.

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We don't have anything.
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Christmas stuff.
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done, right?
I mean, I know that we have a

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lot of Podcast that we are
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hosts have been on our show or
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talked back and forth on
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a lot of us do pretty much the
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see, you know, Asher's, we'll
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or Facebook or whatever and she
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you know, a couple months ago or
something like that or, you

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know, another group will put out
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It's like, oh, we covered that
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And, you know, all sorts of, I
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and the weird is the interesting
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Very good example, of that
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like a week or two before I was
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Before my mermaids episode
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episode 2, right?
So like literally like two weeks

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beforehand and I was like, man.
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I'll just layering on top of
each other now, right?

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And so I mean and we try not to
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That's incredibly overdone.
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areas where it's like, okay, a
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Krampus, hmm.
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know, maybe we could talk about
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you know, it's just, it's, it's
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because it wasn't a, is this
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It was just a report done on a,
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that is still played out in some
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culture, but it was really
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things that we cover, which is
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Could this have happened?
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animal or whatever it is the way
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And so we really try to stay
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bunch of historical facts that
the listeners which most of the

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stuff surrounding Christmas
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And so it's I don't know it.
I don't think we have to do a

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specific holiday episode every
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snowman.
Be like, oh, cuz no, you know,

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Christmas who, you know?
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be a good winter.
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We should do the yeti next year,
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freedom, and it's really good,
but, and I'm incredibly humble

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too.
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that, give you guys a little bit
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behind Krampus right.
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go to Jake will find out from
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for you kid, but The one episode
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into the book that I just had a
really push.

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I had to dig deep to even finish
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I almost didn't do it.
I almost gave up.

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It was just such a see.
The thing is is like traditional

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lure.
Like that is is neat.

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Right?
But knowing the whole time that

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I'm never going to have a
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Or ever come across.
Somebody who Evers, who has

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claimed ever seen a Krampus or
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It's just I don't know.
Like I mean the stories are cool

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like the Krampus knocked which
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Actually.
We're recording this on.

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The 6th of December, I believe
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fifth, the Krampus not, which is
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Mischief that they do over
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And it was the German Alps,
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I tore the yeah and there was
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in l.a. that I had actually
bought tickets for and then I

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was thinking about it and I was
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unsightly for a Christian guy to
go to a pagan celebration, and I

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was like, yeah, I'm not gonna
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yeah, whatever.
But um, yeah, that old episode

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almost didn't get done.
So then the, the rollover

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question to Jake would be Jake.
What a what topic have you done?

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One that you almost gave up on.
The first giants episode.

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Really, you're trying to make a
series out of this dude.

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There was just so much.
I couldn't figure out how to get

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started and I almost bailed on
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before I decided I was going to
do Regional and even then

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separate it way out.
So it's not just a one thing

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after another thing, after
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going to be mostly Mostly like
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be.
These are the facts or these are

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the reports not a what do you
guys think?

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You know, it just going to be a
regional.

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Here's the giant stories and it
was so difficult to get into.

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I wrote that entire report and
then had reached out to Denver

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Michaels but I just Man, I wrote
the whole thing that I wrote

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down and a couple days because I
finally got the idea of just

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like well instead of trying to
cram this all in at once, I'm

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going to split it up because
there was just so much

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information.
I was like there's no way this

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is going to be an 8 Hour episode
and that maybe that'll be part

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one.
You know, it's just like you and

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yeah, I couldn't figure that one
out.

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I mean, all the other ones I've
done are pretty pretty easy but

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that one was the first one that
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And even now I'm like, you
Struggling to get into the next

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part of it.
Because some of these areas it's

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just either.
There's just a ridiculous amount

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of information.
Or and it's kind of like well

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how do you put this in a script
format where I can read it and

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have talking points and all
kinds of stuff or there is

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pretty much no information and
it's like well this is Word of

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Mouth floor and it's like, you
know, because I like to have a

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couple different sources and In
the things that I put in my

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show, so that way or in my
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So, that way, I don't have, you
know, someone hits us up on

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Facebook and says.
Well, if you had done a little

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bit more research, you would
have found out that this isn't

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isn't accurate at all.
It's actually this or whatever,

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right?
And so it's like I try to stay

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away from the single Source
materials and try to find

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compatibility in other sources
and when you Of stuff that just

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based off of historical,
folklore that was never written

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down and it till like, 1,000
years later.

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It's a really difficult to say,
well, this is what these people

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believed, or this is what, you
know, they said about trolls or

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or whatever, right?
And it's just like, oh so still

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I mean I'm still in a position
for this topic where I'm like

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gosh maybe I should just drop
this and go to do something

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that's easier like, you know, I
want to talk about the The you

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know Bigfoot that whole trackway
thing.

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You know I we've been talking
about that for a year and a half

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tantalizing the the listeners
with putting that episode out

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and it's like we'll shoot I
really want to hear about that

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and figure out what it is and
it's like if I'm going to do all

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that research, I might as well
do an episode on it.

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Maybe I'll tell you, we haven't
done a Bigfoot episode of long

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time, we haven't.
That is true.

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And so it's just like that, that
is probably the worst one and I

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know that you thought I was
going to say the Fresno

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Nightcrawler but I did.
I mean that was just That one

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was just so easy.
It was stupid.

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I was so sad.
I was trying to set you up for a

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very entertaining like shit talk
of the Fresno Nightcrawler but

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he did, you just ruined it.
The anyway, I mean, I got when

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we did the episode, you know,
and I busted out that that guy's

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YouTube channel where he did
that break down where he's like,

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yeah, this was the second video.
Here's the first one.

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And you can clearly see that
it's being dragged along the

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ground and stuff in his legs are
trailing behind it.

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And it's just like, I mean that
one was just not interesting,

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not that it was like, I just
couldn't get through it.

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It would just, I was like I'm
just droning through but it

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wasn't in the position where I
am now, where it's just like,

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man, I'm overwhelmed, you know,
because I'm not, I'm not the

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research guy that you are.
I'm not digging into books and

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doing all this extra stuff, you
know?

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I just, I don't have the
attention span for that week.

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What's that do you better than
me?

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Well, I know that I have to
thank you and I struggle with my

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humility.
It's just I'm so humble.

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I just can't help it, you know.
So anyway, fun fact, though,

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before we continue, Jake and I
are wearing the same shirt

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today, we are in different
colors, same-same but different,

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I don't know how we learn that
sides being there was no

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planning there.
No, that's just, we're on the

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same wavelength.
Wavelength clear.

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Right?
Well, Spanish cities.

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You want to get?
Get into this conversation here,

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kid?
Sup, so you haven't been on

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board for for very long, right?
It's yeah.

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But less than a year, right?
So in the history of a two-year

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show.
Come on.

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Now that's that's true.
You've been you've been a

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co-host, Indigo was over a year
ago now.

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That's right.
Was she's been here for almost.

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Almost more than half the show.
She hell's she's a dedicated

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co-host.
I'm proud of you kid.

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We could see you all.
Thank you all smiles kid.

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What is the worst episode?
What's the worst episode of the

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infraorbital go?
You have 10 seconds. 10 9.

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Probably the first like, three
or four.

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Wow, yeah, I told you guys right
from the get-go.

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That your first few episodes
were a little rough at a little

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hard to get into.
But one once we got past, That

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point.
Okay, it was smooth sailing.

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I think those were the words she
said was hot fiery just garbage

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heap or something like that, you
know?

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So 45 minutes about how bad we
sucked and all kind of stuff and

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it's like, so you want me to
come onto this crappy

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good-for-nothing know research
show?

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So what I can do is to numbers
and it's, we're like yes,

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please.
Let's talk about those first 3 /

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3 .5 episodes because the new
listeners now, right?

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If you go, and you listen to the
infinite Rabbit Hole from the

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first episode, the first episode
you here is to Bigfoot or not

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particular.
Yep.

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That's and little do, does
anybody really know that's, you

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know, new to the show?
That's actually, So for and so

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we did three episodes before
that plus an introductory

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episode called let us introduce
ourselves, man.

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It was awful.
Oh, absolutely horrible.

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One of these days.
We'll release these three

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episodes.
No, Rob this.

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No, it's just gonna banish them
to the Google.

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It's just like a TV show or any
kind of show really if you think

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about it, the first couple
episodes kind of Suck in their

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borrowing.
There's nothing happening.

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You're getting a lot of
character development and

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storyline and plot line blah
blah, blah, blah blah and then

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episode 3 or 4 comes around and
you.

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You're right into it.
So what happened here?

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Not I'm not gonna lie, right?
The even, even the episode to

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Bigfoot or not to Bigfoot was
not the greatest but I get so

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many people that listen to the
show and no hear me mention my

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my Bigfoot encounter and they
want to hear the story.

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And I'm just, like, you gotta
listen to Big, they're not the

446
00:26:37,700 --> 00:26:39,100
Bigfoot.
Like, I can sit here and tell

447
00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:42,200
you it again, which I end up
doing.

448
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,500
But then we and then we end up
having like a conversation.

449
00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:48,500
And I'm just like, you know, my
co-hosts asked some pretty good

450
00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:53,200
questions then, but even then I
mean, I listened to it a month

451
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,700
or two ago and it just sounds
scripted.

452
00:26:55,700 --> 00:26:58,600
It wasn't right?
It wasn't scripted.

453
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,200
We don't script our stuff.
We just, I mean, other than, you

454
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:06,700
know, then all the scripts.
All Then the documentary stuff,

455
00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:09,200
right?
Where we were rescript what the

456
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:14,200
story is being told, but we
don't script the conversations,

457
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,900
but the conversations are all
genuine genuine and we didn't

458
00:27:16,900 --> 00:27:19,800
actually go to that format
shoot.

459
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,800
I mean it was probably not until
season two, I think.

460
00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:26,600
Okay.
So here we go.

461
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,200
Jake.
What was the first episode that

462
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,000
you can remember where we
scripted like what was our

463
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,500
first?
Documentary type episode.

464
00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:40,000
Come on man, you gotta do is
take deep, dude.

465
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,200
What is it man?
I don't remember what I had for

466
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:49,100
breakfast yesterday.
It's funny too because my

467
00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:50,800
next-door neighbor.
Shout out fattiest.

468
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,500
He listens to our show and he
listened he's listening from the

469
00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:55,800
beginning to the to the end,
right?

470
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,800
I told him not to do that.
Well, he's listening to it all

471
00:27:58,808 --> 00:28:02,900
the way through and so he'll
bring up something and he

472
00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:06,400
brought up something on Sunday.
Like an episode that I don't

473
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,800
think that was a part of
actually, but he was talking

474
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,700
about the content and I told him
straight up, I was like,

475
00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:14,900
Thaddeus.
I have no idea what you're

476
00:28:14,900 --> 00:28:19,100
talking about.
Like, first of all, I was like,

477
00:28:19,100 --> 00:28:22,700
I don't listen to our show
besides editing it and then when

478
00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:25,700
it releases making sure that the
sound level sound good.

479
00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:28,000
I listen to like 15 seconds of
the beginning and then my

480
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,900
alright cool.
It's done but also it's just too

481
00:28:31,900 --> 00:28:34,100
much information.
I was like it's impossible to

482
00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:39,400
just Remember every key point of
every single deep dive that we

483
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,300
do, like, whether it's me or
Jeremy presenting or cancer or

484
00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:45,400
Jeff or whatever.
It's just, I can't remember all

485
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,800
that information.
It just brain dump it as soon as

486
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,800
it's out.
So it's just like so it

487
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:56,000
literally like I remember to
Bigfoot or not to Bigfoot and

488
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,400
then the next thing I can think
of that's right at the front of

489
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,400
my brain is the windigo
episodes.

490
00:29:00,700 --> 00:29:03,900
Just like I think there's like
60 episodes in between those two

491
00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:06,900
things.
It's like I had no idea for.

492
00:29:07,300 --> 00:29:09,000
Was it?
The National Park part 1?

493
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:17,600
Yes he looked very old it
looking at it.

494
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,800
No.
I'm honestly thought it was the

495
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,000
sleep paralysis before I looked
at it.

496
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,900
But then I noticed that that's
titled Derek's story.

497
00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:32,300
So it's it's definitely not a
scripted episode so that's why I

498
00:29:32,308 --> 00:29:34,500
was like it's forgot about hers,
huh?

499
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,100
Oh well, we'll get into dirt
because you know, that's kind of

500
00:29:37,108 --> 00:29:39,400
the point of these black hole
conversations is to kind of take

501
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,000
a trip back at some point, you
know.

502
00:29:41,008 --> 00:29:42,800
All right.
Not every black hole were into

503
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:43,900
this, but this one we will,
right?

504
00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:46,700
So let's start off with the very
first episode, right?

505
00:29:46,700 --> 00:29:49,000
The lettuce introduces episode,
that is where Jake.

506
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,300
And I tell the story of how we
came up with the idea of the

507
00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:55,700
infinite Rabbit Hole, not going
to beat that dead horse, beat

508
00:29:55,700 --> 00:30:03,900
her to death is turning into a
pile of mush, screw that.

509
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,200
But the Very first official
episode of the infinite Rabbit

510
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:13,600
Hole was titled Rougarou pre
guest interview now?

511
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,800
Yeah, let's talk about the, this
is probably one of, if not the

512
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,600
worst episodes in the entire
Rabbit Hole Capital, the reason

513
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,500
why it's the worst one is we
were woefully unprepared.

514
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,300
Well, whoa, shit.
And woefully is woefully

515
00:30:30,300 --> 00:30:34,500
unprepared to even describe what
we're trying to.

516
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,900
To describe like listen, I'm
just gonna throw this out there.

517
00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:44,700
The story and the incident was
good, but we were awful

518
00:30:44,700 --> 00:30:46,400
interviewers.
Do we should answer.

519
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,500
We kept asking the same question
in a different format over and

520
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:53,500
over and over again, trying to
understand something and we kept

521
00:30:53,500 --> 00:30:56,000
trying to make parallels to
something that it clearly

522
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,400
wasn't.
You can listen back and I'm

523
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,900
being vague because I'd like us
to revisit it at some point

524
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:08,100
where we can give, Our Guest,
the respect he deserves an

525
00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:11,600
episode that doesn't suck
because it wasn't a cool

526
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,300
interaction.
And if I was in that position, I

527
00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:18,900
mean I'd be, you know, poop my
pants but it was just we were so

528
00:31:18,900 --> 00:31:24,300
bad at the interview process
that I mean I mean we were just

529
00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:26,700
figuring it out and how do we go
about doing this?

530
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:32,000
I mean his new to both of us but
yeah, I mean what a dumpster

531
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,500
fire of an episode and it had
nothing to do with our guests.

532
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,600
Had everything to do with how
bad we sucked around the gas.

533
00:31:39,300 --> 00:31:42,900
The original layout for infinite
Rabbit Hole episodes for that.

534
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:48,300
We were supposed to do like
every episode was supposed to

535
00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:53,200
have like a pre episode.
So whenever we didn't well I

536
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,200
wouldn't say every episode of
Every interview.

537
00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:59,300
So episode 2 is called Rougarou
or Honey Island.

538
00:31:59,300 --> 00:32:03,400
Swamp monster Mike's story and
as part of the encounter series,

539
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,400
first of all wait, Too fucking
long of a title, that's

540
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:11,300
horrible.
So, my buddy, Mike from the Navy

541
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,500
believes, that he had an
encounter with his local Cryptid

542
00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:18,700
down in Pearl River.
Louisiana, can't believe I

543
00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:22,900
remember the name of that town,
but I did and down there.

544
00:32:22,900 --> 00:32:29,700
They have a Rougarou, which is a
Louisiana.

545
00:32:29,700 --> 00:32:32,900
Big are not Bigfoot, werewolf
type creature.

546
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,600
So a little background on the
Rougarou is that when the French

547
00:32:38,100 --> 00:32:42,200
actually took over Louisiana and
when they took custody of

548
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,900
Louisiana, they brought over a
lot of their Traditions, right?

549
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:48,200
And one of their Traditions is
the werewolf, right?

550
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:53,000
Werewolves are very popular
throughout not just European but

551
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,400
specifically French folklore and
there they call it the

552
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,200
loup-garou.
Right?

553
00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:04,500
And when here in Louisiana, they
have a creature that some people

554
00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:07,900
claim to be a dog, some people
that claim to be a bigfoot-type

555
00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:11,100
creature, some people that claim
to be a reptilian type creature

556
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,800
and even the footprints that we
were talking about in the

557
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,800
episode where more reptilian
like because they do have casted

558
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,600
Footprints of this of, you know,
a quote unquote Rougarou or

559
00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:24,800
something else that's close by
as the Honey Island Swamp

560
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,700
monster.
Now there's a lot of

561
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,700
Head-butting down in the area
about what the actual

562
00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:32,100
differences between the Rougarou
and the Honey Island Swamp

563
00:33:32,100 --> 00:33:35,200
monster and a lot of people say
the Rougarou is more like New

564
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,000
Orleans area and the Honey
Island.

565
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,200
Swamp monster is more up by
Honey Island which is where

566
00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:43,700
Crystal River is our Pearl
River.

567
00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:48,000
Sorry.
Anyways, we're going to end up

568
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,700
redoing this episode so I'm not
going to give out all the

569
00:33:49,700 --> 00:33:53,800
information but you know that
that is some pretty good stuff

570
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:58,100
and he believes that he had a
run-in with a Creature.

571
00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:01,600
One night at his, his Grand, his
grandmother's property which

572
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,900
they were living on.
They were living in a separate

573
00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:07,800
building on his grandmother's
property and he believes that on

574
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,500
two different occasions.
He actually had a run-in with

575
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,600
either the Honey Island Swamp
monster Roar a loop a rubber

576
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:20,300
room so that that is put some
pretty interesting stuff but we

577
00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:27,300
did not talk about the quality
of audio from that episode.

578
00:34:29,699 --> 00:34:37,199
Well, at that point.
Hey buddy, bear with us while we

579
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:43,600
take this quick break.
What that point we were still

580
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,500
struggling with how do we get
everybody on board in the same

581
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:47,900
thing?
Like we had no idea was n.

582
00:34:47,900 --> 00:34:50,199
Caster was true.
Sure.

583
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:52,699
You know, and it was last year
was a game changer for us.

584
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,699
Oh, for sure.
Because and prior to Zen cast

585
00:34:55,699 --> 00:34:59,900
resume, so if you didn't, you
know, sucks, well, it sucks.

586
00:34:59,900 --> 00:35:03,500
But also, it's like, you know,
sometimes people don't have a

587
00:35:03,500 --> 00:35:09,400
zoom account and, you know, we
were at the point where were

588
00:35:09,408 --> 00:35:12,300
like, oh oh, you got to make a
zoom account and then you can

589
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,500
Can we can invite you to an
episode when we found out?

590
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:17,400
I think that you can just email
them, the zoom link and then

591
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,700
they don't necessarily have to
have an account already.

592
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,900
Maybe I'm Wrong on that, it's
been so long as you zoom, but it

593
00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:28,100
was just, you know, we're trying
to figure out because we were at

594
00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:31,500
the point cans are where we we
had no idea.

595
00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:37,500
It's like how do you get someone
who's away from the two of us to

596
00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:41,400
be able to record?
You know, the same thing.

597
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:47,900
Like we were wondering if we do
it through speakerphone like,

598
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:55,600
you gotta know, it was bad.
We literally had no clue and

599
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,100
we're like, how do the
professionals do it?

600
00:35:57,100 --> 00:35:59,300
And we were thinking, you know,
we talk to them through

601
00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:08,300
speakerphone and then we get
this mail them, a laptop, you

602
00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:13,100
can record on there.
There and then they sent it to

603
00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:18,900
us back and then we splice it
all together in audacity like we

604
00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:22,600
had no freaking clue and it was
just like a trout.

605
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,900
Though we wouldn't we would have
went through so many laptops,

606
00:36:25,900 --> 00:36:30,100
but but it was just like, so
yeah.

607
00:36:30,100 --> 00:36:35,000
But the audio was absolute trash
and did we do it the way?

608
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,600
It was it through this week.
Who's there Discord?

609
00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:44,500
Yes gosh man.
I mean at least we were able to

610
00:36:44,500 --> 00:36:47,300
figure that out but still it was
we that was a pain in the butt.

611
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,300
We even put a disclaimer on the
front of that episode that said

612
00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:55,000
hey sorry for the shitty audio.
Yeah, this is horrible but we

613
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,500
wanted to present it to you in
its original nature.

614
00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:02,300
We don't want to, you know,
reshoot something and make it

615
00:37:02,300 --> 00:37:05,100
sound like it's all scripted and
everything and have these

616
00:37:05,100 --> 00:37:08,800
unnatural reactions to my buddy
Mike story.

617
00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:12,600
So, we went with the original
audio, which is just horrible

618
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,800
and honestly, I think it was a
terrible idea that we should

619
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,500
have just scrapped the episode
and honestly, now if we go back

620
00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:21,700
to that we have better
questions, we have more ideas

621
00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:23,600
like how to run an interview
now.

622
00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:27,600
I think that if we, you know,
I'm going to reach out to him, I

623
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,200
think that would be a really
cool thing to do is have Mike

624
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,800
back on for an episode.
I agree.

625
00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:36,400
We should, we should definitely
do that and then revisit the

626
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,200
story in the lore behind the
Honey Island.

627
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,400
Swamp monster on the Rougarou
You know what episode?

628
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:43,200
We'll do it with him.
He could also store it.

629
00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:45,200
We can have, like, werewolves
and stuff.

630
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,200
I learned the other day that
there were werewolf, trials.

631
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,700
Not just Witch Trials, but
werewolf, trials to Absolute.

632
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:54,800
That was cool.
We're gonna look into that more.

633
00:37:55,100 --> 00:38:00,900
Where where were they?
I think it was said they were

634
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,300
Europe somewhere, but I don't
was for sure was in Europe and

635
00:38:04,300 --> 00:38:06,900
it's honestly not where you
would think.

636
00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:12,400
But anyways, we'll stay No,
we'll save that information for

637
00:38:13,300 --> 00:38:16,300
where Williams looks like I
could see on kids face that she

638
00:38:16,300 --> 00:38:18,600
might want to really cool.
I thought that was cool and I

639
00:38:18,607 --> 00:38:20,300
was like oh I want to look into
that.

640
00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:24,800
So yeah you have perhaps kid if
you're interested this is a

641
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,500
werewolf encyclopedia wow.
He's literally things like that.

642
00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:31,600
Yep.
Yeah it's so cool.

643
00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:34,100
The books called The Werewolf
book.

644
00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:36,700
The Encyclopedia of
shape-shifting beans by Brad

645
00:38:36,700 --> 00:38:39,800
Steiger and I'll tell you, I
haven't read the whole thing.

646
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,800
Front the back yet but it's
extremely interesting.

647
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:50,000
Very, very good book.
Yeah, I'm not, I'm late.

648
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,500
I'm more, like, Jake.
I'm not a book person.

649
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:57,900
I'm to ADHD for that.
So, like I have a whole Shelf

650
00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:03,100
full of books too, but I don't
really, um, show how learnt I am

651
00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:07,700
books.
I have I collected back when I

652
00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:12,200
was in like, Junior High A high
school, like, seventh eighth,

653
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:17,300
ninth tenth grade kind of area
and because that's what I was

654
00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:20,700
really into reading and I
collected all my books and then

655
00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:23,300
one day, I just put it down and
I never picked it back up and

656
00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:25,800
it's just been sitting on a
shelf collecting dust.

657
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,600
Now, I have this wonderful Walt
Disney book that I'm

658
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,700
two-and-a-half chapters into
slowly making my way through,

659
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:36,300
because I'm so athd that I do
better.

660
00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:39,700
Read that books.
Oh it's really interesting.

661
00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:43,800
It's Really interesting book.
I'm I've got like I wasn't even

662
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,600
in the book yet.
I was reading the forward from

663
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,300
some other author and I had
already had a whole bunch of

664
00:39:50,300 --> 00:39:53,800
information and tabs in my book.
So I'm super excited to read

665
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,800
that book.
So I mean, build a new episode

666
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,800
and you're going to have to do a
Disney part two because that

667
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,400
episode was pretty popular.
I mean I notice that episode

668
00:40:03,700 --> 00:40:06,400
really well, it did do very,
very well.

669
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,500
So we're going to have to do a
follow-up episode.

670
00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:10,100
So, okay.
Okay.

671
00:40:10,300 --> 00:40:14,500
Yeah, yeah, I do it kid.
Gotta gotta read a book.

672
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:20,600
Read a book or 11.
I read this book this year.

673
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,500
Yes you did.
I read Christmas.

674
00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:25,900
Wala Gaz.
I've read parking lot woman.

675
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:28,700
It's a good book and I still
have all my tabs in it.

676
00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:33,300
Mine also has a bunch of tabs.
He's actually where I got my

677
00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:37,300
idea for my next topic.
The topic that I currently have

678
00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:41,400
written up that both fists.
Yeah, yeah, we were supposed to

679
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,500
do today but the one that Jeff
bailed on.

680
00:40:43,500 --> 00:40:44,500
Yeah.
Yeah.

681
00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:46,700
Yeah.
I'm gonna blame this whole thing

682
00:40:46,700 --> 00:40:48,500
on Jeff.
So everybody's listening to this

683
00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:50,700
right now being like I thought
they said they weren't going to

684
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:52,600
do this all the time, it's
Jeff's fault.

685
00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:57,100
Yeah.
I specifically asked Jeff if he

686
00:40:57,100 --> 00:41:01,100
was going to join today, he said
no and I said well There goes

687
00:41:01,100 --> 00:41:02,500
the episode.
Yep.

688
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,500
Yeah.
So we were just going to get on

689
00:41:05,500 --> 00:41:10,000
bullshit and just waste time and
we were actually just having a

690
00:41:10,008 --> 00:41:13,300
conversation and I was like, you
know, this is like a perfect

691
00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:18,000
black hole conversation topic to
talk about when are we going to

692
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,800
do another missing for 11?
So we can get on there and yell

693
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:27,200
at us about National Partners.
Nature, Preserve or whatever.

694
00:41:27,300 --> 00:41:29,000
I'm sure we did.
Talk about that.

695
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,700
But should we really Visit that
just for a second here and kind

696
00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:36,200
of catch everybody up to date.
So we had somebody reach out to

697
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,600
us in our email.
He wasn't being happy, he was

698
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,300
not very happy because we call
are missing for 11 episodes.

699
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:46,400
The national park Mysteries.
So if you're into the whole

700
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,500
missing for one phenomenon,
that's what you want to listen

701
00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:51,600
to.
When it comes to, you can

702
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:56,100
travel, we want to listen to our
national park Mysteries and some

703
00:41:56,300 --> 00:42:01,500
some guy got on and was like
that's a natural Forest not a

704
00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:04,800
national park.
They're different and it's like

705
00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:09,400
okay bro.
My question is how many people

706
00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:17,300
actually know the difference?
I know that like national parks

707
00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:20,000
can be a lot of different
things, right?

708
00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:25,500
Like, Monuments can be national
parks.

709
00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:28,200
I believe the sea.
I don't know if it's the same

710
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,000
thing up here but like I had
never alarm National Forest

711
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,700
before.
So that's why I'm asking like

712
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:38,800
how many people actually know
what a natural, right?

713
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,800
Like I literally have a Google
box or in front of me.

714
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:47,700
So why am I not Googling this?
I'm gonna go ahead and do that.

715
00:42:47,700 --> 00:42:50,400
While you guys talk about
nothing for a second, good.

716
00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:54,000
But like, you know what I mean?
You know what, I'm getting here.

717
00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:57,000
Yeah, yeah.
Screams like, one of those

718
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,800
things that could be common
knowledge, but the reality is,

719
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,100
it's beyond common knowledge and
nobody knows about it.

720
00:43:03,300 --> 00:43:05,500
Well, here's a question for you.
Do you have something like that

721
00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:08,600
up in Canada?
We're just like a, you know,

722
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:13,200
whatever they call it.
Like I know in parts of England

723
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,600
it's like the Kings forest or
something like that or it's

724
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,700
something like it's something
specific but it's the same thing

725
00:43:20,700 --> 00:43:23,500
works.
Yeah, because everything's

726
00:43:24,100 --> 00:43:26,200
provinces up here.
We don't have states rights

727
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,700
prices.
So everything for us is

728
00:43:27,700 --> 00:43:31,700
Provincial Park.
I got I got I don't know if we

729
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:34,900
have provincial forests but We
have provincial parks, there's

730
00:43:34,900 --> 00:43:38,200
one called Sasquatch provincial
far away from me.

731
00:43:38,500 --> 00:43:42,100
So this website is called
national forest dot-org.

732
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:46,400
And it lists this is in a, I
don't know if the article is

733
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:51,100
called the article is called
what are the differences between

734
00:43:51,100 --> 00:43:52,800
national parks and national
forests.

735
00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:55,400
And right here in Mission
purposes has perhaps the

736
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,400
greatest difference between the
two is the multiple use mandate

737
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,300
for National Forest.
Well, national parks are highly

738
00:44:01,300 --> 00:44:04,900
vested in preservation.
Barely altering the existing

739
00:44:04,900 --> 00:44:08,100
State national forests are
managed for many purposes.

740
00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:12,400
Timber Recreation grazing.
Wildlife fish and more national

741
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,700
forests.
The mission of the USDA forest

742
00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:17,900
service is to sustain the health
diversity and productivity of

743
00:44:17,900 --> 00:44:20,900
the nation's forest and
grasslands to meet the needs of

744
00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:25,500
present and future Generations,
whereas national parks National

745
00:44:25,500 --> 00:44:30,900
Park Service preserves
unimpaired the Nach natural and

746
00:44:31,300 --> 00:44:34,800
cultural resources.
The national park system for

747
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:40,200
enjoyment, education inspiration
of this and future Generations.

748
00:44:40,300 --> 00:44:44,800
So whereas like the national
parks I'm guessing like,

749
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,000
Yellowstone's got to be a
national park.

750
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,700
Then write write some natural
course.

751
00:44:49,700 --> 00:44:54,200
Yellowstone National Park.
I know that they do a lot of

752
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,000
different things.
There they have a huge thing on

753
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:02,600
tourist.
They also do Lumber a lot of

754
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,100
Colleges have little outposts
or, you know, they'll do like

755
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:13,400
scientific studies out there and
whatnot population control where

756
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,400
I'm guessing national parks or
more like you don't touch it,

757
00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:17,700
you just stay the fuck out of
it.

758
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,500
Interesting, I'm trying to, I'm
trying to look if it's kind of

759
00:45:21,500 --> 00:45:26,400
the same up here in Canada
because a lot of our forests, a

760
00:45:26,408 --> 00:45:29,800
lot of our parks are used for
like there's chunks of it that

761
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:35,500
are I don't mean to bring it up.
Kendall earaches number four on

762
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:38,300
our farm.
That's not my fault.

763
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,100
I'm just kidding.
Canada's bigger.

764
00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:48,800
So man.
I mean okay let's put it this

765
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:53,400
way.
Everything cool like really cool

766
00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:59,500
up here is like a 10 12 plus
hour drive away from me and BC

767
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,900
doesn't even make up 10% of
Canada.

768
00:46:03,700 --> 00:46:06,600
In order for me to go see
anything, cool, I have to go a,

769
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:13,100
over a day's out of my way.
Well, here in America, we have

770
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,100
Yeah, Chief Jeremy and Jeff.
Yeah.

771
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,500
I want to know, verify,
something that thing I just said

772
00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:24,100
that really stupid thing that
just came in my face, the

773
00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:27,600
Kingsland or whatever it was
called, royal forests, huh?

774
00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:34,900
Basically, the design is Hunter
areas so they reserved for the

775
00:46:34,900 --> 00:46:38,000
Monarch, right?
But they do have national

776
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,900
forests in England as well.
There's quite a few of them.

777
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,300
I was like sitting here like
looking it up as like if I can't

778
00:46:46,300 --> 00:46:49,200
verify what I just said, I'm
going to remove that from the

779
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,700
edit because that was the
dumbest thing.

780
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:56,400
I think I've ever said, in my
entire life, it's referencing a

781
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,600
movie while shooting the Kings
deer, you know?

782
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,700
I'm just like, oh, man, and I
say that idiot thing and I'm

783
00:47:01,700 --> 00:47:07,800
just like, I'm I'm over it.
I'm done before we go, I have to

784
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,500
talk about Derek's thing.
Oh, do you want to talk about

785
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:11,400
that?
Yeah.

786
00:47:11,700 --> 00:47:13,800
Oh, well then I'll just save
what I have four.

787
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:20,200
Extended because Derek's thing,
I don't know if mr.

788
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,100
Derek still listens to the show,
I doubt it.

789
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:28,700
For those of you that don't
know, you know, screw it.

790
00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:30,400
We'll talk about the next three
episodes, right?

791
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,500
The we are to talk about Bigfoot
or not, they foot.

792
00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:36,900
So we're going to skip that one.
We'll talk about Derek story of

793
00:47:36,900 --> 00:47:41,100
his sleep paralysis and Shadow
People, and Savvy story.

794
00:47:42,900 --> 00:47:45,800
These were two very early
episodes of as well.

795
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,200
Now, you can still listen to
Derek story, The sleep paralysis

796
00:47:49,500 --> 00:47:51,900
and Shadow People.
Now, there was a little bit of

797
00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:55,900
research done into this, because
one of the very, very early

798
00:47:55,900 --> 00:47:59,100
topic, Of the of the show that
we were going to cover was sleep

799
00:47:59,100 --> 00:48:02,000
paralysis.
That was one that I had remember

800
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,500
recording that you just like
this is awful, throw it away.

801
00:48:05,300 --> 00:48:10,400
One of our very first recordings
period we did to mock-up

802
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,200
episodes.
One was Jersey Devil and one was

803
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,400
talking about the Jersey Devil.
Yeah, one was sleep paralysis,

804
00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:21,400
and both of those mock-up
episodes were absolutely

805
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,400
trashed.
Well, you were like describing

806
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:28,700
your experiences and the League.
I only have like two questions

807
00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:31,000
and I was just like, see you
think that's real, huh?

808
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,300
And then it's just like, I don't
know.

809
00:48:34,300 --> 00:48:37,200
It's just like it was the
episodes like 15 minutes long

810
00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:43,100
and it was so bad just like it
was just absolutely bad as bad.

811
00:48:43,100 --> 00:48:46,300
Bad man, bad bad.
But I mean if you, if you want

812
00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:51,500
to hear an interesting story of
a man sleep paralysis issues in

813
00:48:51,500 --> 00:48:55,400
this life, Derek story is a
pretty good now.

814
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,200
You know, Derek if you're
listening This Man II mean no

815
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:03,800
disrespect by this whatsoever.
But from the time that I've

816
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:09,800
known this man and the Navy he
is quite the exaggerator and it

817
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,500
doesn't necessarily have to be
do it.

818
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,900
I don't know if he was
exaggerating during his sleep

819
00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:19,400
paralysis episode that we did
with him but there was some

820
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,300
pretty extreme stuff in there.
By all means go check it out.

821
00:49:22,300 --> 00:49:25,900
The episode is called sleep,
paralysis and and shadows.

822
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:30,600
Derek story during our encounter
series, which we don't do

823
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,100
anymore, we just do the EPS one
episode and done.

824
00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:38,500
Yeah.
Oh, besides you're definitely

825
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:44,100
check it out there.
And there's a lot to unpack in

826
00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:47,700
this episode.
I mean, the guy, you know,

827
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:51,900
during one of his sleep
paralysis episodes was awoken

828
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:54,800
suddenly and pulled a gun on his
wife.

829
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,900
So there is definitely some,
some touchy things there.

830
00:50:00,900 --> 00:50:04,800
Yeah, it could be worse.
He could have woken up because a

831
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:09,600
big gray scale of the thing was
being shoved up his butt purple.

832
00:50:12,700 --> 00:50:19,500
I was editing that it'll come
out on the six, that'll come out

833
00:50:19,500 --> 00:50:22,900
on the, on the 9th and people
will hear it, but I was dying,

834
00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:25,600
nearly the entire episode to the
point where I I was thinking

835
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,400
about taking some Excedrin cause
I was starting to get a

836
00:50:27,408 --> 00:50:35,400
headache, like I was laughing.
So for those of you who listen

837
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,900
to one of the last episodes of
we're talking about the

838
00:50:37,908 --> 00:50:40,800
communion story with these
streamer, there is a part 2

839
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,400
coming, probably a part 3 4 5 is
6 coming.

840
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,600
We were just bagging on that
thing so hard.

841
00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:49,800
It was crazy.
It was a funny episode.

842
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:51,600
Here's the thing though, you're
good at the.

843
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:57,000
So, yeah, the thing is is that
it's a It's, it's a very, very

844
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:01,800
popular story and I don't think
I've ever listened to anybody

845
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,100
cover the communion story and
not bag on it, and I'm pretty

846
00:51:05,100 --> 00:51:06,500
sure Whitley would even bag on
it.

847
00:51:06,508 --> 00:51:07,700
If he were to talk about it,
too.

848
00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:10,600
I mean, I don't know.
Whitley personally, or have I

849
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,900
ever talk to him?
But I mean, the guy is talking

850
00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:19,400
about shoving, you know,
football sized metal-plated eggs

851
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:24,900
up his ass and it's like, you
know, you got to have a little

852
00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:27,600
bit of of humor when you're
talking about that.

853
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:31,100
I mean, come on man.
We're only human.

854
00:51:31,100 --> 00:51:34,400
We're going to laugh at
something like that but at

855
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:43,000
trauma, you know, by all means.
I mean we're not the best human

856
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,900
beings here on the show and we
are, you know, we're supposed to

857
00:51:45,900 --> 00:51:48,400
provide some sort of
entertainment factor to it.

858
00:51:48,500 --> 00:51:50,900
So yes we're going to we're
going to laugh and crack up

859
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:53,800
about it, but I can tell you
what if I was in this situation,

860
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,100
I was getting nothing shut up
ass.

861
00:51:55,300 --> 00:51:56,600
Would not be something laughing
about.

862
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,700
Oh, I'd take that to my grave.
I had never put in a code,

863
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,800
that's why I think is fake.
Hell, no, man, I put it in a

864
00:52:02,808 --> 00:52:03,500
book.
You kidding me.

865
00:52:04,300 --> 00:52:08,300
I'm not going through that and
not making some sort of accident

866
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,100
as far as we know a grayscale.
E, egg thing, shoved up his

867
00:52:13,100 --> 00:52:15,800
butt.
No, but that was different like

868
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,900
Whitley's was an alien abduction
story.

869
00:52:17,900 --> 00:52:22,600
This is a sleep paralysis story
and, you know, we really should

870
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,100
dive back into sleep paralysis
at some point something out.

871
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,300
Really do want to do because
there is connection there

872
00:52:27,300 --> 00:52:31,400
between, you know, shadow people
and sleep paralysis.

873
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,100
And then a whole bunch of other
stuff of alien has.

874
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:35,900
Yeah.
I mean, there's a lot, there's a

875
00:52:35,908 --> 00:52:38,800
lot, you know, when it comes
down to, like, great Grey's,

876
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:44,400
abducting abductions, what were
we just talking about in the

877
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,700
community episode?
The buttholes no screen

878
00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:57,000
memories, that will puffles.
Yo, I mean is gracious.

879
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,300
I'll give you a little little
side note to think about, right?

880
00:53:01,300 --> 00:53:06,600
Every single story written in
human history about that that

881
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:12,300
has humans in it.
You can, you could be 100%

882
00:53:12,300 --> 00:53:14,000
certain that there's butt hole
in the story too.

883
00:53:15,700 --> 00:53:18,300
Yeah, I mean even if they don't
talk about it, the people

884
00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:21,500
involved probably had buttholes.
So to say there's not a

885
00:53:21,508 --> 00:53:25,600
connection is just, did you know
that 100% of the people that

886
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:30,200
have ever lived have have
buttholes and all of them have

887
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,300
died?
That's a wow!

888
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:42,300
Hell of a But I'm just cool.
My parents used to tell me that

889
00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:45,000
the reason we have butt cracks
is because we all fall down and

890
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,800
crack our butts.
Ah well there you go.

891
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:55,800
So I think is my grandparents
told me that when my dad was

892
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,100
really little he thought that
our butt cheeks were just sacks

893
00:53:59,100 --> 00:54:02,400
of poop.
Poop sacks.

894
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,000
You know my sister used to think
there was a toilet roll that

895
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,500
would come up the toilet when
you flushed it and put it this

896
00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:14,000
way.
I mean yeah the Kappa but toilet

897
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,000
roll.
That was before we knew where

898
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,800
the capital was.
Yeah.

899
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,200
Well I mean she was just
describing a she was from

900
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,700
monster.
That was literally toilet.

901
00:54:22,700 --> 00:54:26,300
Yeah.
Good stuff, good stuff.

902
00:54:27,100 --> 00:54:31,100
So what do you want to talk
about in in Derek story?

903
00:54:31,100 --> 00:54:33,700
Dude you is there one thing in
particular in the episode you

904
00:54:33,700 --> 00:54:36,900
want to talk about or just want
to know, I just like you know,

905
00:54:36,900 --> 00:54:41,100
just our early episodes I think
actually we as far as early

906
00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:43,300
episodes go, that was probably
one of the better ones.

907
00:54:43,900 --> 00:54:48,400
Oh, it was just instead of just
content of it and the, the

908
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:53,300
interest of it and it was Heavy
to like, like you were just

909
00:54:53,300 --> 00:54:54,700
saying right pulling a gun on
his wife.

910
00:54:54,900 --> 00:54:59,700
I think that was You know, even
still, I can't remember exactly.

911
00:54:59,700 --> 00:55:05,700
But I know we've had Parts in
like the missing for 11 episodes

912
00:55:05,700 --> 00:55:09,900
and stuff where we talked about
some rather grotesque stuff and

913
00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:14,200
we still were very cautious
about it and we recognize that

914
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,800
people.
Well, people have traumas,

915
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,900
right.
Some people have had some pretty

916
00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:22,600
terrible experiences and just
getting, you know, throwing a

917
00:55:22,607 --> 00:55:25,700
curveball in there may be zoned
out listening to us while

918
00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:27,000
they're driving or whatever it
is.

919
00:55:27,100 --> 00:55:29,200
Is and the next thing I know
that is owned back in and we're

920
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,400
talking about someone's guts,
spraying all over a wall, might

921
00:55:32,900 --> 00:55:36,600
might have a little bit of
added, distaste for that.

922
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,800
So we're cautious about that.
But yeah, that was like the

923
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,700
first, well, I mean obviously
was our first few episodes but

924
00:55:44,700 --> 00:55:47,100
you know, getting into some
really like hardcore stuff,

925
00:55:47,100 --> 00:55:51,600
which could be a major trigger
for people and it was just like,

926
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,600
but I mean it went.
Well, we still have it on there.

927
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,200
No one's suit us yet.
So that's cool.

928
00:55:55,500 --> 00:55:59,600
Yeah, yeah.
As far as we know we've caused

929
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,900
zero accidents so yeah.
Yeah.

930
00:56:01,900 --> 00:56:05,800
I mean, how do we know?
But anyway, this is the last

931
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:07,200
thing.
They're listening to for, they

932
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,600
plunged off this bridge, it's
your fault.

933
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,900
So, when we first started, I
think we actually made it to

934
00:56:12,900 --> 00:56:17,500
like season for right.
We did, we started off the

935
00:56:17,500 --> 00:56:20,300
infinite rabbit hole with the
idea of doing Seasons.

936
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:26,500
We don't know.
Just it was It was kind of a

937
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:31,200
dumb thing, but at the same time
I kind of liked it but even

938
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,400
allowed to such an opportunity
to have a seasonal break, that

939
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,800
was the main thing.
That was the big run at it.

940
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:41,900
It was anyways.
So our first season had 15

941
00:56:41,900 --> 00:56:45,900
episodes.
We only have seven that are live

942
00:56:45,900 --> 00:56:48,700
right now so that means eight of
them were taken down.

943
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,800
So there there is quite a bit
that's, that's gone and may or

944
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,500
may not come back.
So when we post like, Old

945
00:56:55,500 --> 00:56:57,700
episodes and everything that's
kind of what we post from.

946
00:56:57,700 --> 00:57:01,300
We post from these episodes that
we take down, right?

947
00:57:01,500 --> 00:57:05,300
And the reason the real driver
behind that is because when we,

948
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:09,300
you know, 90% of the people that
listen to podcasts whenever you

949
00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:12,700
ask them, hey, what you're going
to listen to a new podcast?

950
00:57:12,700 --> 00:57:17,300
Where do you start?
They, they say the first episode

951
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,700
and I'm totally that kind of
person.

952
00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:24,500
I'll start at the first episode,
which I will vouch is not always

953
00:57:24,500 --> 00:57:27,400
a good idea.
If it is not and it's not a good

954
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,800
idea to do it with the infinite
rabbit hole and that's what I

955
00:57:29,808 --> 00:57:32,900
tell people to I'm like you do
not need to listen to this at

956
00:57:32,900 --> 00:57:36,500
this podcast from the beginning
you don't and I well I need to

957
00:57:36,500 --> 00:57:39,100
know the story.
No there's no stealing and no

958
00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:43,800
it's I mean if you want to get
certain jokes yeah you know it

959
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,900
helped but if you're trying to
get attached to a podcast and

960
00:57:47,900 --> 00:57:51,000
you want to like really jump in,
don't start the beginning.

961
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,600
Don't start it.
Ours I mean unless it's like a

962
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,900
story podcast now I And like the
old gods of Appalachia, which is

963
00:57:59,300 --> 00:58:02,800
fantastic, freaking podcast,
those kind of podcast, you have

964
00:58:02,808 --> 00:58:04,400
to listen to from the beginning
because you have to know the

965
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,700
whole story.
I yeah, I've been listening to

966
00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:09,800
One called escaping Denver, it's
all about escaping.

967
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,000
The Denver Airport is same.
You want to start that one?

968
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,900
Might want to start with that
series at episode 1.

969
00:58:15,900 --> 00:58:18,200
Otherwise you're going to miss a
whole bunch, bunch of

970
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,300
information.
It's a really cool podcast.

971
00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:27,100
Highly highly recommend but So
for us, this is the first

972
00:58:27,100 --> 00:58:30,400
episode you ever listening to,
don't feel the need to go to the

973
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:34,300
very first episode, choose what
you want to listen to, and then

974
00:58:34,300 --> 00:58:37,400
I would much rather you listen
to the newer stuff and then go

975
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,100
back and laugh at us about the
the early stuff.

976
00:58:40,100 --> 00:58:42,100
Do it, do it that way.
Don't don't start the game.

977
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,800
So, listen to this one.
And then go down to listen to

978
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,200
Bigfoot, or not to Bigfoot and
then send us a message.

979
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,500
Letting us know that you did
that and that you laugh your ass

980
00:58:50,500 --> 00:58:52,100
off.
I wouldn't I wouldn't even do

981
00:58:52,100 --> 00:58:55,300
that.
I would just last 30 episodes

982
00:58:55,300 --> 00:58:58,600
and then if you want to have a
good laugh, go back and listen

983
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,200
to the first ones.
But that's that's the reason why

984
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:02,900
we take him down, right?
There's just some that just

985
00:59:02,900 --> 00:59:04,900
aren't up to the Quality that we
want anymore.

986
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:09,400
And basically, if there are over
a year old and they're just, you

987
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:13,000
know, underperforming episodes
or, you know, it's just not what

988
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,600
we're looking for in our voice
any more than we take it down,

989
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,500
it's as simple as that, right?
Yeah.

990
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:23,100
That's, that's pretty much it.
And then moving on to the last

991
00:59:23,100 --> 00:59:25,100
episode, I will talk.
Out tonight, and that is

992
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:33,200
empathy, which is Savvy story.
Now, this was This was

993
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,600
different.
This was not something that I

994
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:40,100
ever thought that we were going
to do here interview with an

995
00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:40,900
empath.
Yeah.

996
00:59:41,100 --> 00:59:45,200
Well now it's just called
empathy Savvy story.

997
00:59:45,300 --> 00:59:47,600
It was originally called
interview with empathy.

998
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,200
I don't know what I was
thinking.

999
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:54,200
They're changing that.
But anyways, was it a bad

1000
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,300
interview?
No, honestly, I think it went

1001
00:59:57,300 --> 01:00:03,400
better than what I was expecting
out of it, but I I did listen to

1002
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:08,000
it probably about a year ago and
I just sound really dumb.

1003
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,700
Oh man do I sound dumb?
The questions I asked are just

1004
01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:15,000
like well you're an idiot you
know.

1005
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:20,300
It it was we were trying to make
an episode for the infinite

1006
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:25,000
Rabbit Hole Universe like the
topics that we cover the topic

1007
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:29,400
that really doesn't belong here.
You know, I mean, although it

1008
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,900
does have some very interesting
stuff and it's not Early that I

1009
01:00:32,900 --> 01:00:34,800
believe that the topic doesn't
belong here.

1010
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:39,100
It's more or less that we didn't
have the person who can connect

1011
01:00:39,100 --> 01:00:41,600
with the guests, that's what it
was.

1012
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,800
Like if we had CJ for that
episode, probably would have

1013
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,200
been a lot better because CJ's
into that shit.

1014
01:00:47,700 --> 01:00:50,900
You know, saying he's into that
kind of stuff that mental

1015
01:00:50,900 --> 01:00:55,800
connectivity.
The psychopathic connections,

1016
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:59,900
the empathy.
He's into that kind of stuff,

1017
01:01:00,300 --> 01:01:04,400
not me and Guy Mia.
I think I feel you had a better

1018
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:08,700
hold on the topic than I did.
But it just wasn't a very good

1019
01:01:08,700 --> 01:01:10,200
episode.
I don't think we did topic

1020
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:11,300
Justice.
Be honest with you.

1021
01:01:11,900 --> 01:01:14,300
Yeah, no not really.
I think that at that point, we

1022
01:01:14,300 --> 01:01:18,200
were just trying to fill content
because it was we wanted to show

1023
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:19,900
in our first.
This was the game plan.

1024
01:01:19,900 --> 01:01:23,700
Ken's are in our first 10
episodes or first five episodes

1025
01:01:23,700 --> 01:01:26,200
we want to show how versatile we
can be.

1026
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,300
We're not just going to talk
about cryptozoology or aliens or

1027
01:01:29,300 --> 01:01:31,800
paranormal stuff or or strange
natural phenomenon.

1028
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:35,300
And that was Literally like
verbatim the conversation, we're

1029
01:01:35,300 --> 01:01:38,800
going to talk about everything,
we're not going to be a cookie

1030
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,900
cutter, you know, type podcast
where we only talk about one

1031
01:01:42,900 --> 01:01:45,700
topic.
And so we wanted in our first

1032
01:01:45,700 --> 01:01:48,700
five episodes or first 10
episodes, we're going to do

1033
01:01:48,700 --> 01:01:50,600
something completely different
every single time.

1034
01:01:51,500 --> 01:01:57,200
And yeah, I mean I think that it
was a decent episode and you

1035
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,600
know her story and her
experiences are decent but I

1036
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:06,800
agree, you know.
I may have, I do have more of

1037
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:10,900
like a handle on what being an
empath is, you know, I would say

1038
01:02:10,900 --> 01:02:12,400
more.
It's more along the lines of

1039
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,500
discernment just being able to
discern upon meeting somebody,

1040
01:02:15,500 --> 01:02:19,800
you know, what their character
is like, or, you know, being

1041
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,400
able to feel those sorts of
emotions and have more of a

1042
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:28,600
handle on, like, non-visual cute
or non visual cues, you know, in

1043
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,800
the way people are speaking or
even visual cues, really having

1044
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,100
a handle on That being able to
tell, you know, what's going on

1045
01:02:35,100 --> 01:02:37,900
with people and being empathetic
towards, you know, towards

1046
01:02:37,900 --> 01:02:41,700
people and their emotions and
things like that, but I don't

1047
01:02:41,700 --> 01:02:45,000
experience that and Jeremy
doesn't experience that.

1048
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:49,200
And so both of like he just
said, both of the interviewers

1049
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:56,400
me and Jeremy were very Kind of
not into the whole thing.

1050
01:02:56,900 --> 01:03:00,900
And yeah if we had had CJ on
there there would have been a

1051
01:03:00,900 --> 01:03:05,500
decent dialogue back and forth
versus just a Q&A which is I

1052
01:03:05,500 --> 01:03:07,700
think that's something that we
pride ourselves with because

1053
01:03:07,700 --> 01:03:10,300
even nowadays, when we're
interviewing somebody, it's not

1054
01:03:10,300 --> 01:03:13,200
just Q&A.
We ask the question, they answer

1055
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,300
it next question.
Like that episode was there's a

1056
01:03:16,300 --> 01:03:19,400
lot of dialogue in between there
a lot of back and forth and we

1057
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,800
expand on it.
Maybe we get derailed and just

1058
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,500
go down a rabbit.
Rabbit hole, right?

1059
01:03:23,500 --> 01:03:26,600
And in the interview process and
we don't even get to the rest of

1060
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:30,500
the questions.
But again, just right at the

1061
01:03:30,500 --> 01:03:33,600
beginning, figuring out how to
interview people, you know,

1062
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,100
figuring out the flow and that
dynamics of it and everything.

1063
01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:41,800
And I think that if we did that
episode again that we would have

1064
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:45,800
to do a lot better at it because
we would understand that you

1065
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:50,500
can't just have that static
question answer, you know, for

1066
01:03:50,500 --> 01:03:55,500
45 minutes that you have to Have
that the flow and everything

1067
01:03:55,500 --> 01:03:59,200
included.
So I think that if we wanted to

1068
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:03,700
revisit that, which honestly,
unless we got CJ on here or

1069
01:04:03,700 --> 01:04:06,000
someone else that was, you know,
I don't know.

1070
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,700
Ken's are if you're also an
empath a bit, you know, where

1071
01:04:08,700 --> 01:04:12,400
you could, you know, have that
sort of good conversation back

1072
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,600
and forth in it and sharing of
experiences and stuff like that.

1073
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,400
I think that we should just
leave that one where it lies,

1074
01:04:19,700 --> 01:04:22,900
but a lot of our early episodes,
we could probably redo them.

1075
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,600
Them and give the people that we
interviewed or the topics that

1076
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,600
we covered a lot more Justice
with just the amount of growth

1077
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:36,100
and development in just the way
that the podcast is run but also

1078
01:04:36,100 --> 01:04:40,700
in like the research topics
we've covered since then we have

1079
01:04:40,700 --> 01:04:44,900
more wealth of information and
knowledge and stuff and we deal

1080
01:04:44,900 --> 01:04:47,400
with this on a regular basis.
Probably when we're talking to

1081
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,200
our friends and our family
members about the show.

1082
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:53,300
Someone might say oh well
Bigfoot, bro, I can Start

1083
01:04:53,300 --> 01:04:56,300
rattling off for like three
hours and not repeat the same

1084
01:04:56,300 --> 01:04:59,300
information because of all the
things I've heard about Bigfoot

1085
01:04:59,300 --> 01:05:01,700
and all the things.
I've read over the last two

1086
01:05:01,700 --> 01:05:04,600
years and it's because it's a
topic that we cover and I can

1087
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:08,100
throw stuff out there that blows
people's minds that really could

1088
01:05:08,100 --> 01:05:10,700
convince someone that this could
be a real animal.

1089
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,700
You know we're just waiting on
Hardcore evidence of it not that

1090
01:05:13,700 --> 01:05:18,100
it's some you know boogie man or
you know it's just folklore.

1091
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:23,200
So I think that we could you
know, talk about the Ruger True

1092
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,000
and we could really get into it
and really just have a good

1093
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:30,700
conversation and maybe give Mike
some information that he may not

1094
01:05:30,700 --> 01:05:34,700
have previously known about the
history of the Rougarou, or, you

1095
01:05:34,700 --> 01:05:38,600
know, other locations where this
is a very popular thing and we

1096
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,800
could really do that episode
justice.

1097
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,600
But for that one I think that we
should just leave the empath

1098
01:05:44,900 --> 01:05:50,600
episode where it's at, I think
it was good, it wasn't great but

1099
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,400
that was entirely on our side.
I had nothing to do with Abby

1100
01:05:53,500 --> 01:05:56,900
and all these interviews and
things that are early episodes

1101
01:05:56,900 --> 01:05:58,800
where we botched it.
I mean it had nothing to do with

1102
01:05:58,808 --> 01:05:59,800
the person.
You're interviewing.

1103
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,600
It had everything to do with us
facilitating and we've just

1104
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,000
sucked, you know, Savvy was a
great guest.

1105
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,600
Yeah, she was fantastic.
That's somebody that actually

1106
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:13,100
Jake and I know personally.
Yeah and I can't I can't say

1107
01:06:13,100 --> 01:06:15,000
anything bad about her as a
guest.

1108
01:06:15,100 --> 01:06:17,900
Absolutely awesome.
All right, let's get this

1109
01:06:17,900 --> 01:06:22,500
wrapped up.
Let's let's reward the listeners

1110
01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:27,700
that come to the end of a, a
black hole conversation, right?

1111
01:06:27,700 --> 01:06:29,100
Because this is these are
probably gonna be one of the

1112
01:06:29,107 --> 01:06:32,000
harder episodes for people to
get through unless they really

1113
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:36,300
like our conversation, right?
But it's not it's not what

1114
01:06:36,300 --> 01:06:38,000
people come to the infinite
rabbit hole for.

1115
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,700
So as a thank you to you guys
for making it all the way to

1116
01:06:41,700 --> 01:06:44,300
the, to the end.
Let's so, let's peel back the

1117
01:06:44,300 --> 01:06:47,600
curtain a little bit.
Let's go one by one.

1118
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:52,100
We'll start with kid.
Same question for everybody kid,

1119
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:56,300
what is one topic that you will
be covering in the future?

1120
01:06:56,900 --> 01:07:00,100
Not not anything in the near
future don't give us like one of

1121
01:07:00,100 --> 01:07:03,900
your next two or three topics.
Give us a topic that you will be

1122
01:07:03,900 --> 01:07:11,500
covering that you are most
excited about Honestly, I think

1123
01:07:11,500 --> 01:07:16,000
it's going to be werewolves.
Yeah, yeah, something that's

1124
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:17,600
good.
You better fucking do.

1125
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:23,800
Good kid, the sewed.
I could do good.

1126
01:07:25,300 --> 01:07:32,300
He'll can you so bad.
Is it been sitting in the back

1127
01:07:32,300 --> 01:07:36,100
of my mind for quite a while?
And then I learned to the whole

1128
01:07:36,100 --> 01:07:39,800
werewolf trial thing and like I
like I like the whole witchy

1129
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:43,800
thing and I'm interested in the
witch trial thing, but against

1130
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,400
it, like the Salem, witch,
trials, and all that.

1131
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:51,100
That's fairly Cut and dry
werewolves trials.

1132
01:07:51,100 --> 01:07:54,600
However, sound very interesting
to me and we're there.

1133
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:59,000
I know there's a lot of lore and
a lot of stories and whatnot

1134
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,100
behind werewolves.
So, like they, it's kind of a

1135
01:08:02,107 --> 01:08:05,000
said that the back of my mind
and then I like that.

1136
01:08:05,100 --> 01:08:08,000
And now you told me, tell me
there's an encyclopedia, I think

1137
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:12,700
I'm going to do where we've
actually so a little.

1138
01:08:12,900 --> 01:08:19,600
Okay, so, Pop Quiz kid.
Oh no nothing how about you know

1139
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:24,700
anything, but the name life and
lichens, right?

1140
01:08:24,700 --> 01:08:27,200
What is a we'll start with the
easy easy question.

1141
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:32,200
What does liken refer to I've
heard this word a million times.

1142
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:33,200
Pick me.
Pick me up.

1143
01:08:33,300 --> 01:08:35,399
Jake.
I've picked shake like a prism

1144
01:08:36,100 --> 01:08:39,899
lichen.
It's a wolf, right?

1145
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,700
Yeah, it's dog.
Canine kind of thing, right?

1146
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:48,700
So how did a werewolf, Jake has
his hands up?

1147
01:08:49,500 --> 01:08:55,700
How did the werewolf and the
person with lycanthropy?

1148
01:08:56,500 --> 01:09:02,100
Get tied into the word?
Lichen and where was where's?

1149
01:09:02,100 --> 01:09:06,200
The origin of the word?
Like in do you know without

1150
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:07,300
looking it up on?
Look it up.

1151
01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:11,100
It's not a plant, it's not nice.
You know what I would have said.

1152
01:09:11,100 --> 01:09:13,100
The same thing though that
sounds very planty.

1153
01:09:13,300 --> 01:09:16,399
It might be, it might be but I
don't like almost like a Mossy

1154
01:09:16,399 --> 01:09:20,700
type plant, I can shade.
Yeah, that sounds kind of cool.

1155
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:24,800
I don't know if it's pronounced
lichen or like a on.

1156
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:32,300
But the in Greek mythology,
Liking on our Lycan was a king

1157
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:41,800
of Arcadia, who had a lot of
very canine-like aspects to him

1158
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:45,600
will go with.
So, just throw that in there as

1159
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:52,899
like a little detail.
I'll let kid right now.

1160
01:09:55,800 --> 01:10:01,500
I'll let kid take it from there.
But yeah, the the Kings the, the

1161
01:10:01,500 --> 01:10:04,700
way you spell the kit, the
king's name lat Leia.

1162
01:10:04,700 --> 01:10:15,200
Con El y, AC, Noel, y, c, a0, n
ly, ly akan liking on some like

1163
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:25,600
that lyc Aon Anyways, alright,
so Jake give us, give us a topic

1164
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:27,700
that you're going to present the
you're most excited about this.

1165
01:10:27,700 --> 01:10:29,700
Not like something that's coming
out within the next month or

1166
01:10:29,708 --> 01:10:31,400
two.
You want the long answer?

1167
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:35,600
The short answer?
Well, we're at a we're an hour

1168
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:37,200
and 10 minutes already in this
episode you.

1169
01:10:37,208 --> 01:10:40,000
So you you choose.
Give us a mixture of the two.

1170
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:44,600
I'll give you the short answer.
I don't know really so long

1171
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:46,400
answer then sure.
Yeah.

1172
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,000
I want to go back to doing
small-time Cryptids.

1173
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,800
Yeah, I really enjoyed talking
about the Kappa.

1174
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,800
Yeah, yeah.
And I was thinking about

1175
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:05,200
something that I said either in
that episode of prior to that

1176
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:09,000
episode where I believe I said
in the episode, where we're

1177
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:15,100
doing all these huge topics and
I felt uneasy at first with the

1178
01:11:15,100 --> 01:11:19,000
idea of bringing up a small time
and that wasn't even Cryptid,

1179
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:22,100
that was just well.
It could be considered a Cryptid

1180
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:26,400
depending on like who you are
but it's really just lore and

1181
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,700
Legend, right?
But having a small-time thing,

1182
01:11:29,700 --> 01:11:32,200
which is a single episode that
maybe takes an hour and a half

1183
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:36,800
to present it because we're
doing such ginormous topics with

1184
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:38,400
multiple parts and stuff like
that.

1185
01:11:38,500 --> 01:11:41,700
And like I wanted to do the
Loveland Frogman but I'm just

1186
01:11:41,700 --> 01:11:46,200
like oh well you know that would
be so misplaced and where we're

1187
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:50,000
at right now but I did the
Kappa.

1188
01:11:50,700 --> 01:11:53,500
A man, I wanted, I want to do
all those all those small-time

1189
01:11:53,500 --> 01:11:57,200
Cryptids that, you know, we had
on that list, you know, so long

1190
01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:00,800
ago, and I want to talk about
like, I don't know, the, the

1191
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:04,200
black cats and the Appalachians,
you know, all this get, you

1192
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:08,600
know, all that sort of stuff.
I mean Beast of Braden burrow

1193
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,000
or, yeah.
These pretty damn, bro.

1194
01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:13,500
Yeah, all that.
Yeah, I just, I want to get into

1195
01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:18,300
that again, because it was fun,
easy research topics.

1196
01:12:18,300 --> 01:12:21,400
It didn't take a tremendous
amount of time, but Also, you

1197
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:25,600
know, we could talk a bunch of
crap and laugh and it wasn't so

1198
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:29,300
serious and I don't know, I
just, I want to start doing more

1199
01:12:29,300 --> 01:12:31,500
of those.
So I am still pushing on this

1200
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,700
trolls episode, I've put that
out already.

1201
01:12:34,700 --> 01:12:39,000
So I mean, listeners can expect
that more focusing in, like the

1202
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:42,500
England type area, or just the
Celtic area.

1203
01:12:42,500 --> 01:12:46,800
But after that, I think I'm
going to spend a significant

1204
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,800
amount of time covering
small-time, Cryptids and

1205
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:51,500
small-time.
I'm Legends and stuff.

1206
01:12:51,500 --> 01:12:54,200
And maybe if there's not enough
content tying them in together

1207
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:58,500
and stuff kind of like what I
did with the back end of the cap

1208
01:12:58,500 --> 01:13:01,700
of story.
But yeah, nice leaving Burrell,

1209
01:13:01,700 --> 01:13:04,600
not pretty umbrella.
I think it's a disservice to

1210
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:08,200
those those stories to not ever
cover them because we're now

1211
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,700
focused on bigger.
Badder better things, you know.

1212
01:13:10,900 --> 01:13:15,500
Oh no dude we should totally, we
should totally a step back and I

1213
01:13:15,500 --> 01:13:19,500
think that would help us with
our our writer's block /

1214
01:13:19,500 --> 01:13:21,900
burnout.
You know you're probably right

1215
01:13:21,900 --> 01:13:25,200
is doing a couple small ones,
probably would be nice because

1216
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:28,300
I'm not gonna lie.
I'm kind of the one that I'm

1217
01:13:28,300 --> 01:13:32,000
currently doing right now.
I am really dragging my fucking

1218
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:33,500
feet on.
It's the same.

1219
01:13:33,500 --> 01:13:36,700
It's a its horrible.
Yea maybe baby.

1220
01:13:36,700 --> 01:13:41,000
You know, I did want to do the
Van Meter visitor, so that maybe

1221
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,200
I, maybe I do just jump on that
real quick.

1222
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:45,900
Knock it out and then jump back
into the one that I'm currently

1223
01:13:45,900 --> 01:13:50,700
doing.
But speaking of Jeremy, same

1224
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:52,600
Listen John.
Kay same question.

1225
01:13:55,200 --> 01:14:00,300
I will I will be doing a rather
large piece on the Mothman at

1226
01:14:00,300 --> 01:14:04,000
some point that is that's
probably one that I'm most

1227
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:08,000
excited about.
I'm slowly getting my collection

1228
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:11,400
of books because I'm looking for
that information that others

1229
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:14,200
don't have.
That's the thing right?

1230
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,700
Everybody will be everybody's
beaten the the Mothman stick.

1231
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:20,900
Everyone's beating them off man
to death fine.

1232
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:27,600
Now everyone write with beating
a dead Moth, Man, but I want to

1233
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,500
give us his own wings.
I want to bring something to the

1234
01:14:30,500 --> 01:14:34,900
listeners of the infinite rabbit
hole, and the infinite Rabbit

1235
01:14:34,900 --> 01:14:38,800
Hole fashion, and bring
something unique to the table,

1236
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:45,400
about the story of the Mothman.
And not just the injured cold

1237
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:51,600
stuff, but That's got a pretty
decent idea of how I'm going to

1238
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,600
do it too.
And that I can't put out but I

1239
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,300
would probably say within the
year.

1240
01:14:58,100 --> 01:15:00,500
I'll be jumping in the Mothman
nice.

1241
01:15:01,500 --> 01:15:04,900
All right guys well there has
been another episode.

1242
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:08,500
Another black hole conversation
here at the infinite Rabbit

1243
01:15:08,500 --> 01:15:09,800
Hole.
Who knows?

1244
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:11,000
Maybe we'll do another one next
week.

1245
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:14,500
I don't know but we're going to
rise.

1246
01:15:14,700 --> 01:15:19,600
Yeah.
Surprise Jeff if wants to do No

1247
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:21,300
Jefe there wants to join us or
not.

1248
01:15:21,300 --> 01:15:28,200
We saw his Gateway part 3.
We do, oh Jefe.

1249
01:15:28,500 --> 01:15:31,000
Oh, I think he just doesn't love
us anymore.

1250
01:15:31,100 --> 01:15:33,400
I think he's too big for us.
Yeah, just really popular.

1251
01:15:33,700 --> 01:15:35,200
We're just kind of like little
guys.

1252
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:38,500
Some kind of Shadow band
podcasts over there.

1253
01:15:38,500 --> 01:15:41,700
That's alright.
Well that's it.

1254
01:15:41,700 --> 01:15:47,100
Everybody will see you next week
in the next path of the infinite

1255
01:15:47,100 --> 01:15:52,000
rabbit hole.
All holes up the rabbit of the

1256
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:57,600
gray gray.
My goodness gray scaly holding

1257
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:03,000
out shove that bat rabbit hole,
right of the hole and call it

1258
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:07,000
the the owl Rabbit Hole of the
but all right.

1259
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:07,500
Bye.