IRH 162: Creatures, Congress, and Consciousness: The UAP Disclosure Accelerates - 2/10/26

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January 20th, 2026 The National
Press Club in Washington, DC.

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Investigative filmmaker James
Fox is standing in front of a

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room full of journalists and
cameras.

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And sitting next to him are
people who, if you believe the

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official story, shouldn't even
be there.

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Brazilian witnesses from a small
town called Virgina.

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American insiders claiming
they've worked on crash

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retrieval programs.
Medical professionals with

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evidence of something they can't
explain.

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And here's the thing.
This isn't some UFO conference.

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This isn't Reddit.
This is the National Press Club,

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the same place where presidents
give speeches.

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The witnesses are describing
creatures with red eyes, oily

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brown skin, military convoys
showing up in the middle of the

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night to a tiny dairy town,
cover ups, intimidation, 30

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years of silence.
Some of these people have never

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told their story publicly.
Others have been trying to get

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someone, anyone to listen since
1996.

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Now you can believe them or not,
that's up to you.

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But something's changed.
UAP disclosure isn't some fringe

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topic anymore.
It's happening in official

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venues with credible people on
the record, and we need to talk

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about it.
Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit

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Hole.
Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit

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Hole.
I'm Jeremy Socia and today I'm

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joined by my Co host Jacob
Owens.

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And if you're new here, welcome.
And if you're a long time

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listener, you're about to get a
very different kind of podcast

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than what you may be used to
from us here at The Infinite

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Rabbit Hole.
Here's what we're doing

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differently.
Every week you're going to get

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two things from us.
A news briefing covering the

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most credible, verified current
event stories from the fringes.

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UFOs, cryptids, consciousness
research, the stuff mainstream

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media either ignores or gets
wrong.

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And then we go deep on one
topic.

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Real investigation, multiple
sources.

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We present the evidence, we ask
the hard questions and we let

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you decide what you think.
No sensationalism, no click

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bait.
Just the facts and the mystery.

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Today's briefing is pretty
UAPUFO heavy and covers 4

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stories, news New congressional
mandates forcing the Pentagon to

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disclose UAP intercepts going
back to twenty O 4.

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A Vermont State legislator
proposing an official UFO task

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force after recent sightings.
MIT researchers publishing a

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breakthrough tool for studying
human consciousness in a very

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strange Cryptid investigation in
Washington state involving a cat

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with, get this, a primate face
and a World War 2 nuclear

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facility.
Then we're deep diving into the

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press conference I mentioned in
the opening statement, James

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Fox, the Virginia incident, and
what it means that this

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conversation is now happening at
the National Press Club instead

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of late night AM radio.
And we start today's episode

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with your briefing on what is
currently going on in the world

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of the unexplained.
The 2026 National Defense

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Authorization Act just passed at
the end of 2025, and buried in

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it are three new mandates
specifically about UA PS.

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This is the annual defense
spending bill, $900 billion, and

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Congress put UAP transparency
requirements directly into the

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law.
Here's the background.

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The Pentagon created the All
Domain Anomaly Resolution

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Office, also known as Arrow,
back in 2022.

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It was supposed to be the
official government body

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investigating UA PS, But
lawmakers have been frustrated

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with how little information
Arrow has actually provided.

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The reports have been sparse,
the briefings limited, and

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there's been a growing sense
that they're not being

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transparent about what they
actually know.

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So Congress decided to force the
issue.

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The first mandate requires Arrow
to brief Congress on every

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single UAP intercept conducted
by US Northern Command and NORAD

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since 2004, Not just the famous
cases.

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Everything.
And they want specifics, the

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number of intercepts, where they
happened, and the nature of what

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was encountered.
That 2004 day is significant,

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though.
That's the year of the Nimitz

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encounter.
Off the coast of San Diego,

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Commander David Fraver and his
squadron encountered the Tic Tac

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object that accelerated in ways
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That incident became public
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We actually covered that here on
the Infinite Rabbit Hole.

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But now Congress wants to know
what else happened that year.

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What happened in 2005?
How about 2010 or 2015?

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How many of these encounters
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The second requirement gets into
the details.

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Arrow has to disclose the actual
procedures and protocols

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military personnel followed
during UAP encounters.

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What do pilots do when they see
something unexplained?

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What's the chain of command?
Who gets notified?

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And, critically, what data gets
collected during these events

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and what happens to it?
This is important because for

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decades, pilots have reported
being told not to file reports

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or being discouraged from
talking about what they saw.

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This mandate is designed to pull
back the curtain on how the

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military actually handles these
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The third part deals with
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Arrow has to provide a
consolidated classification

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guide, basically a master list
of what UAP information is

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classified and why.
This is Congress saying we need

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to know what you're keeping
secret and what justification

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you're using to keep it secret.
And here's the thing.

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This isn't a suggestion.
This passed the House 312 to

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112.
Then the Senate passed it.

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The White House supports it.
This is federal law now.

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The implications are huge.
For the first time, there's a

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legal mechanism forcing the
Pentagon to account for over 2

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decades of UAP encounters.
They can no longer just say

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we're looking into it now.
They have to provide actual

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data, actual numbers, actual
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Now, will they comply fully?
That's the question, right?

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Probably not.
There will likely be pushed back

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about national security,
classified sources and methods,

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all of that, all the stuff we're
used to.

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But the fact that this is even
in the NDAA shows how far the

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conversation has shifted.
Five years ago, this would have

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been laughed out of the
committee.

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Today, it's law.
The UAP topic has moved from

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fringe conspiracy to official
Government Accountability.

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And 2026 is shaping up to be the
year we might actually get so

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many answers.
Probably not.

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Jake, what's your thoughts, man?
We're not going to get any

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answers.
It's going to be the same mumbo

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jumbo as always.
I'd love to come to bat and and

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argue with you on this, but I
think you're right.

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Yeah, unfortunately, yeah.
I think I I like what what he's

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doing here, right or what
they're doing.

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It's, it's good that we're
trying to hold Arrow

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accountable.
I mean, honestly, everything

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that we've gotten from Arrow has
been BS, right?

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It's, it's, it's garbage data.
Really.

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It is this is this.
Honestly, Arrow, if I had to

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compare it to anything, it
reminds me most of Project

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Grudge.
With all of the disclosure

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topics being talked about right
now, I'm surprised that Arrow's

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getting away with it.
I really, damn, there's just a

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lot of stuff being talked about
right now.

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And as we'll talk, we'll break
it down more in our our deep

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dive segment tonight, the UAP
topics not going away.

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And I don't know how Arrow's
going to be able to survive

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that.
Well, screw them.

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Right on.
So back in the day, we, you and

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I, we met in the Navy in a
aviation squadron in Norfolk,

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VA.
It wasn't that long ago.

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And we, we went from the pilots
not being able to report that

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kind of stuff.
There were no, there were no

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protocols and, and how to report
that for the pilots.

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Like when we went to maintenance
meetings, when we did

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debriefings on flights and
everything, there was no way to

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talk about that.
If anything did happen, could

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you?
Could you imagine that being

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discussed 10 years ago, back
when we were in HSC 22?

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No, but I mean, I, I don't know
in what circumstance where we

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would get told that sort of
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something that would be
debriefed in OPS, not

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necessarily in maintenance
because seeing a UFO doesn't

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have anything to do with turning
a wrench or changing at an APU.

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But even still, I mean, we would
see it's got to be wild if this

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thing like completely like the
leg gets blown off of it.

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I can recall watching flare
videos of missions prior to like

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safety stand downs and stuff
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Everyone's kind of filling in at
the auditorium and they got

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flare footage going on of like
different OPS, different things

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that they did that, you know,
they can show everybody, hey,

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this is what your
accomplishments allowed to

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happen essentially, right?
This is what you guys worked

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for.
Could you imagine that in the

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next several years, if it
becomes so commonplace, the

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flare footage is going to be
like, here's us blowing up a

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convoy and here's a Tic Tac,
here's us chasing it.

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You know, here's a here's a
shooting a Hellfire at it and it

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bouncing off.
Like it's just going to be like

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like that just commonplace that
everyone's going to be like, oh

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man, saw another one Hustler.
Like yeah, saw another one, you

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know?
Man, I've heard some wild

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theories about these things too.
We'll have to get into it one

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day.
Not tonight.

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But I've really, I don't know.
I there's this new theory.

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I wouldn't even say it's a new
theory because it's actually was

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originally proposed by by John
Keel.

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But you have a lot of people
talking about it now because I

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think it just makes too many,
too much sense.

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Anyways, you got anything else
for this topic for the night

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bud?
No all.

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Right.
You ready to move on?

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Yep, all right, nice and quick.
This is the new infinite rabbit

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hole.
Yeah, Jake will not talk.

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Now on to story #2.
On January 13th, 2026, State

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Representative Troy Hedrick
introduced a bill to create the

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Vermont Airspace Safety and
Unidentified Anomalous

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Phenomenon Task Force.
This would be a 10 member panel

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dedicated to investigating UFO
sightings across the state of

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Vermont.
Now you might be thinking

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Vermont, why?
But there is a reason this is

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happening.
In late 2024, residents across

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Vermont started reporting
unexplained lights in the night

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sky.
East Montpelier, Burlington and

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a plethora of other towns across
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People were calling the police,
posting videos online, trying to

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figure out what they were
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The reports were consistent
enough that it caught the

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attention of lawmakers.
Here's what the proposed task

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force would do.
It would review any reports of

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unknown objects in Vermont
airspace or waterways.

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It would investigate sightings
that exhibit, quote UN quote,

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performance characteristics not
consistent with currently

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understood technologies.
And there's the key part.

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It would be authorized to make
recommendations about managing

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risks to public safety and
Vermont airspace.

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The bill specifically calls out
certain behaviors.

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Instantaneous acceleration,
hypersonic speeds without

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visible propulsion, trans medium
travel between air and water.

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These are the same
characteristics that military

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pilots have been reporting for
years.

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Also the same ones that we
talked about when we covered Lou

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Elizondo's book Imminent.
We talked about this a couple

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Times Now.
Vermont isn't doing this in a

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vacuum.
This mirrors what's happening at

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the federal level.
The Pentagon has the All Domain

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Anomaly Resolution Office, or
ARROW.

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As we mentioned in the previous
segment, Congress passed the

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Unidentified Anomalous
Phenomenon Disclosure Act in

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2023 to standardize how federal
agencies handle UAP reports.

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Vermont is essentially saying
cool, now we need to do the same

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at the state level. 2 And
they're not alone.

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This is part of a broader trend
of states taking UAP sightings

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seriously instead of dismissing
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When you have multiple credible
witnesses, when you have

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consistent reports, when people
are generally concerned about

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airspace safety, you can't just
ignore it.

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The bill's Co sponsor,
Representative Ryan Byron, put

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it pretty clearly.
He said there have been lots of

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new stories about the objects
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extraterrestrial but are still
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And that's the point.
You don't have to believe in

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aliens to recognize the
unidentified objects in your

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airspace are a legitimate
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If this passes, Vermont would
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of states with official
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UAP reports.
It's grass roots legitimization.

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It's local government saying
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communities and we need to take
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It's the same thing we've been
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years.
Small communities with ongoing

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sightings finally getting some
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they're experiencing is real,
even if we don't know what it

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is.
Just think but.

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You know, I actually, I, I do
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because I agree, just because
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there's Uaps without believing
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extraterrestrial or whatever it
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I was just as concerned, maybe
not as nearly concerned because

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it wasn't really happening here.
But the the drone thing that was

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going on in Jersey, you know,
last year, that was a big

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problem because no one knew what
the heck it was or what was

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going on, or at least no one was
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And one thing we we see pretty
regularly when it comes to

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conflicts around the world is
drones being utilized to drop

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grenades on people, to drop
explosive devices on people to

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fly into buildings and detonate
like all kinds of stuff.

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Like as far as anyone knew after
was it been like 3 years, four

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years now of watching Russia and
Ukraine go at it is that there's

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videos everywhere of you know,
like people POV on the drone

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dropping a grenade into someone
who's sleeping in a foxhole and

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as far.
As their body getting flown

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halfway.
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And as far as anyone knew,
they're all lining up for one

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massive strike where they're
going to just start detonating

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or they're going to start
dropping ordinance on people and

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stuff like that because it's a
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And no one had any answers.
It was just constant drone

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sightings, right?
So I'm actually fairly

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interested in this because,
yeah, I mean, I'm the furthest

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person or I'm the furthest away
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the aliens.
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important to know what is flying
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what purpose.
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like the the balloon or whatever
that flew across the entire

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United States, we have very
interesting things scattered

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across the United States.
You know, silo sites, you know,

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nuclear testing sites, all kinds
of places deep in the heart of

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the United States, not on the
coastlines where they could be

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attacked by, by sea.
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what's flying around over them.
Because I think, I think I've

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read a book one time.
One time I read a book and it

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was on, it's basically a
doomsday type thing.

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And it was statistically thrown
out there that if an EMP attack

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happened across the United
States, right, just knocked out

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power, like 80% of the country
would be dead in a matter of

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months because there's no
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There's no prepping for like
there's certain states where you

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got to prep for like hurricanes
and stuff or power to get

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knocked out for a couple weeks
to a month, right?

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And that's pretty commonplace.
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isn't a thing that ever happens,
right?

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And there's no, you know, Oh
well, I would just plant a

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garden.
OK, Well, if you don't already

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have one, it's not going to
freaking happen, right?

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So it's like, or if you don't
already know how to hunt or

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fish, it's not going to happen.
And EMP attacks are not that

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crazy or that far fetched.
It really doesn't take that much

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to do that you know, And our our
our structure in the United

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States is pretty it's pretty
weak, unfortunately for so that

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being said, it's important to
know what the heck is flying

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around over our country.
You know it.

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When's the next time, you know,
if if everyone said NASCAR it

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it's not that big of a deal and
turn to blind eye once when's

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the next time another balloon
flies over, you know, one of our

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major, you know, energy
infrastructures in the United

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States and detonates and causes
an EMP and knocks out power to

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several states, right.
And just like oh should have

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seen it coming.
You know, maybe we would have if

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we were focused on what was
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us right.
So I I think that from a non

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alien extraterrestrial
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finding out what is in our
airspace and having having the

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avenues to report it and to
investigate it is actually

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critical to the survivability of
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First thing I want to say is
that if anybody has never read

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the series, I don't know what
the whole series is called, but

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the first book is called One
Second After.

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And the author is William R
Fortuneson covers a very similar

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topic to what Jake was just
talking about.

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It was, it's such a good book
that it was actually talked

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about on the congressional
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They brought William our Fortune
to talk about nuclear attacks

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and EMP dangers here in the
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Very, very good series.
But my question to you, Jake, do

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you, how do you feel about this
going from a federal, a federal

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topic to a state topic?
I think it'll be faster.

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We'll probably get information a
lot faster because anything that

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happens federally, I know it's
hard to to imagine, but it takes

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a really long Dang time.
And unfortunately we have things

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like Congress who both sides and
never seem to agree on anything.

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And so there's always government
shutdowns and blah, blah, blah,

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blah, blah, all this sort of
stuff.

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I think if it moves from a
purely federal level to a state

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level, people are going to get
the information that they want a

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lot faster.
I agree.

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I think it's a good thing, a
very good thing.

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Whether it's little green men,
interdimensionals or Russia,

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it's right.
It's a good thing.

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But yeah, no, if if anybody's
squeamish, don't go looking up

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videos of of drone attacks from
the Ukraine Russian war.

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It it's fucking brutal.
It is.

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Nuts.
And it's pretty insane reality

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that people are can just go to
like, well, Sears doesn't exist

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anymore.
But like you could go to, I

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don't know, Walmart and pick
yourself up a drone and strap a

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grenade to it and then just fly
it over someone just have a

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little little switch that just
drops it.

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It's freaking nuts.
But don't do that, kids.

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We're not going to do.
That don't do that's that's

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mean.
You ready for the third story,

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man?
Yeah, yeah, alright.

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Our third story shifts gears
into consciousness research.

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On January 12th, 2026,
researchers from MIT published a

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paper in the journal
Neuroscience and Behavioral

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Reviews.
It's titled Transcranial Focused

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Ultrasound for Identifying the
Neural Substrate of Conscious

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perception.
It's a lot there, and what

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they're proposing could change
how we study human

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consciousness.
Here's they do need an acronym.

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Absolutely.
Here's the breakthrough.

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They've developed a methodology
using transcranial focus

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ultrasound, essentially a non
invasive way to stimulate

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specific parts of the brain from
the outside of the skull.

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You can target deep brain
structures without surgery,

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without inserting anything,
without even using drugs.

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Now, we've had brain imaging
tools before.

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Mris show us structure.
EE, GS measure electrical

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activity.
But those are passive.

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They show us what's already
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Transcranial focused ultrasound
is different.

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It actively stimulates the brain
and lets the researchers observe

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what happens.
The lead researcher, Daniel

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Freeman from MI TS Lincoln
Laboratory, put it like this

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quote.
This is a tool that's not just

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useful for medicine or basic
science, but could also help

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address the hard problem of
consciousness.

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That's a pretty big claim.
The hard problem of

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consciousness is a term in
neuroscience and philosophy.

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It's the question of how
physical matter, meaning

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neurons, electrical signals,
chemical reaction and Gray

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matter of your brain produces
subjective experience.

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And how does the brain create
the feeling of being you?

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Why does red look red to you?
Why does pain feel like pain?

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Scientists have been trying to
answer this for decades.

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And the problem is we can't just
ask the brain, what are you

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doing right now?
We have to infer it from

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behavior, from brain scans, from
indirect measurements.

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But transcranial focus,
ultrasound changes that.

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You can stimulate a specific
region, say the part of the

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brain involved in visual
perception, and see what happens

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to conscious experience.
Does the person see a flash of

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light?
Do they perceive something that

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isn't there?
Can you temporarily alter their

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sense of self?
This gets into some pretty

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profound territory.
The paper specifically mentions

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using this tool to identify,
quote, the neural substrate of

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conscious perception.
That means finding the exact

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brain circuits that generate
consciousness not just actively

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in the brain, but the specific
mechanisms that create your

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sense of awareness.
The research team includes MIT,

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the University of Florida,
Bergam and Women's Hospital, and

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Harvard Medical School.
This isn't fringe science.

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This is major institutions
collaborating on what might be

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one of the biggest questions in
neuroscience.

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Now here's why this matters
beyond just science.

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If we can identify what creates
consciousness in the brain, it

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has implications for everything.
Medical ethics.

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How do we treat patients in
comas or vegetative states?

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Are they conscious in ways we
can't detect?

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Artificial intelligence could
recreate conscious machines.

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If so, what are our ethical
obligations to them?

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And philosophy?
What does this tell us about the

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nature of reality?
Free will?

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The soul.
These are questions that

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religions, philosophers and
scientists have been grappling

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with forever.
And now we have a tool that

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might actually provide some
answers.

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The researchers are calling this
a road map for consciousness

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research.
They're laying out how to use

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this technology systematically
to probe the deepest questions

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about human experience.
It's early.

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This is a mythology methodology
paper.

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This is a methodology paper.
Not a final answer, but it

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represents a massive step
forward in our ability to study

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what makes conscious beings.
All right, Jake, pretty

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interested in what you think.
Your consciousness, the soul,

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what makes us human?
What do you think?

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This is an interesting look.
I, I don't know, I know there's

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been a lot of stuff going on
recently as far as technological

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advances.
And in trying to, I think you

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talked about it and one of your
one of your standalone things

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where people are, are getting to
the point where they might be

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able to actually like record
your dreams.

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And people are having similar
dreams and stuff with similar,

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you know, monsters and
everything and inside of them.

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And it's like, oh, that's weird.
But it's like, yeah, I mean, I

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think that anything that has to
do with finding something that's

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non physical is interesting.
I mean, in relation to like, you

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know, the human body, because
that's one thing that the reason

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why science has grappled it for
so long is because consciousness

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is energy and non physical.
But where does it come from?

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You know, what part of the brain
is responsible for that?

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And I think that it would be
very interesting to check up on

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this later and see, you know,
what their findings are because

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I'm just as curious as as
anyone, you know, is it in the

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the frontal lobe?
And that's why, you know, people

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got, you know, they got ice
picked back in the day and then

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they were just, you know,
vegetables or, you know, were

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they in there somewhere?
Is it the medulla oblongata

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right in the back?
You know, where is it, you know,

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specifically that makes you?
No, well, I'm me, right?

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Where where is this exactly?
You know, for the longest time

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science said they was, you know,
it was in your heart, right?

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And then through research and
everything like, Nope, the heart

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is a muscle.
It contracts and it pumps blood.

459
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,000
So it's not there, right?
And you can get a heart

460
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,000
transplant and you don't lose
your sense of self.

461
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,640
So obviously that's not it,
right?

462
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:07,680
And so we is it in your guts?
No, no, that was me eat food and

463
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,680
make poop so you can get you can
get parts of your guts cut out

464
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,480
and you still remain you,
although maybe a a smaller

465
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,520
version of you right, So that's
not it right.

466
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:24,480
So eventually it will happen.
The only my only concern is when

467
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,200
they you know, you just
mentioned making conscious

468
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:34,440
robots, right, AI and stuff.
I think that's frightening only

469
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:42,160
to the the portion of you know,
what if that was a thing, right?

470
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,720
You had something that wasn't as
weak or as flimsy as the human

471
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,040
body is in some regards, and it
says may I metal.

472
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,520
So it's pretty impervious to
most things.

473
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,840
And also it has to make up its
own sense of morality, you know,

474
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,840
because that's essentially what
morality is.

475
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,600
I think when you get into a
religious aspect, I'm taking

476
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,240
morality from God, right?
That's where my morality is

477
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,000
based.
When you get into what other

478
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,240
people think is morality is all
subjective, right?

479
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,760
And so that's why you can get in
some really hairy situations

480
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,480
with like other countries.
Where is it, you know,

481
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,520
appropriate for China to be
genociding the Uyghur

482
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,040
population, you know, the Muslim
population in in China?

483
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,080
But no, obviously not.
But they think it is because

484
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,280
their morals are subjective and
say, Hey, these people are are

485
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,560
less than people and therefore
we can do whatever we want to

486
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,080
with them, right.
And so if you had a machine that

487
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,800
had that sort of subjective
moral state where it was like,

488
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,160
well, why isn't it appropriate
to kill everyone wearing a red

489
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,720
shirt, right?
And they, it could just decide,

490
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,600
well, for me, it's not, it's not
inappropriate.

491
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,520
It's totally justifiable for
whatever reason I just came up

492
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,960
with, right, That's where it
would get for me, pretty scary,

493
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,400
especially with how quickly
everyone's just jumping into

494
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,720
this whole AI thing and robotics
and you got Tesla working on

495
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,000
them and all that sort of stuff.
You know, it might not be the

496
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,880
helper bot that you want.
It might be the one that forces

497
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,680
you inside your house and and
will not let you outside because

498
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,520
it deemed, you know, your flu
too bad to risk exposing to

499
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,320
other people and then you just
starve to death in your house

500
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,120
because you literally can't
escape, right?

501
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,320
So because it deemed it morally
necessary to keep you locked

502
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,000
away and kidnapped inside your
own home, right?

503
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,840
I don't know, is it possible?
Could be.

504
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:41,960
You're unlocked, bro.
Oh man, I I besides all that,

505
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,520
right?
Very interesting thoughts there.

506
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,160
I just always I I've always been
fascinated by consciousness in

507
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:56,640
general, especially in organic
beings, not AI or.

508
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,000
Share.
Lots of cyborgs or whatnot.

509
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,960
This is this comes back to a
conversation that I had in, in

510
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,640
college a long time ago and I
brought this up right.

511
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,600
We talked about moving
individual cells from one brain

512
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,960
to another brain and, and
eventually swapping everybody's

513
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,760
minds, right.
And when would consciousness

514
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,640
actually flip?
I can't remember what episode

515
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,680
that was, but I got a lot of
really good feedback about that

516
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,600
particular exercise that we did
in that episode.

517
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,200
If I can remember, I'll try to
put that in the show notes for

518
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,440
those episodes.
So anybody can go and check that

519
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,040
out.
I'm not going to rehash that,

520
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:40,240
but it brings up a point in the
conversation that we had with

521
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:47,280
the professor during, during
that class where he has a very

522
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,320
simple question.
What's the difference between

523
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,720
your brain and a piece of beef
in the grocery store?

524
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,440
And, you know, everyone comes
out and they say, oh, it's

525
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,760
neurons.
And he's like, OK, well, what

526
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,320
are neurons?
Neurons are pathways for

527
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,520
electrical pulses that send
information from one point to

528
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,160
another point, right?
And your brain is riddled with

529
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,800
them.
They, it's a ton of them.

530
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,280
And he's like, OK, cool.
So if I electrocuted that same

531
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,560
piece of beef at the, at the
grocery store, does it now have

532
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,600
consciousness?
And they're like, no, well, you

533
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,000
have to have neurons.
And he's like, oh, OK, what's

534
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,960
the difference between that and
just electrocuting it?

535
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,480
And like, well, information,
he's like, OK, so if I took an

536
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:36,080
Ethernet cord that was plugged
in and I ripped, ripped off the

537
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,720
connector and and jammed that
piece of meat with it, he goes

538
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,560
boom.
Now you have electrical currents

539
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,920
with information, He goes, is it
conscious?

540
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,080
No, it's not.
Right.

541
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,200
So what's, what's the real
difference here?

542
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,640
And you know, there was a lot of
people that got into a more

543
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,880
technical part of the
conversation where we started

544
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:03,160
talking about bytes, right?
Same, same way the computers

545
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:09,920
work a binary systems, ones and
zeros and how you can create

546
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,320
this conversation between you
and me over the Internet, right,

547
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,920
by utilizing just ones and
zeros, your brains doing

548
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,280
something similar to that.
And he's like, well, how did it

549
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:25,840
get coded to do that?
And it it, it just there's an

550
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,200
endless amount of conversations
or questions that you could ask

551
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,480
when someone comes up and they
answer one of one of the

552
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,200
questions.
There's always a question that

553
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,640
goes beyond that.
And I just, I think it's

554
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,160
fascinating I think it's
fascinating that a chunk of meat

555
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,920
inside of our skulls can create
consciousness and there's people

556
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,080
that say, well consciousness
isn't consciousness unless you

557
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,840
have the system, right.
You have to have the whole

558
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,360
system, the spinal cord, the the
fingers, the kidneys, the the

559
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,960
eardrums, the everything.
It's all got to be there.

560
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,320
And like, well, some people lose
their eyes all the time.

561
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,840
Right.
Yeah.

562
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,800
People lose a foot.
I mean, you can remove a piece

563
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,280
of the system and you're still
conscious.

564
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,920
I mean, remove enough and you're
going to die from blood loss,

565
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,320
right?
Overtime.

566
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:14,679
Overtime.
It can't be all at once.

567
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:20,440
But I don't know it's, it's a,
it's a really good question.

568
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,440
And I would, I, I really
interested to see where this,

569
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:28,120
this research goes because.
I like that part that you put in

570
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:34,719
there about it relating to
people that are in comas because

571
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,600
that's always been AII.
Don't know if there's any actual

572
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,719
science behind that besides
that, you know, it's, it's if

573
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,760
they are consciously aware
inside of their coma, hearing

574
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,159
your voice, reading them a book
or playing music for them would

575
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:54,400
be comforting, right?
And I think that on the adverse

576
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,760
side of that, the people that
are going to see the their

577
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,720
friend or their family member
who, whoever it is that is in

578
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:04,880
this conscious state, it is also
healing for them to spend time

579
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,360
with them and feel as though
they're caring for and nurturing

580
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,480
this person.
But the really interesting

581
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,280
question is, does it make a
difference?

582
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,640
You know, are they alert?
And, you know, if they could

583
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:21,480
scan the brain and find out
where consciousness is in people

584
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,880
that are functioning normally,
then they could also scan the

585
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,480
brain, then take that into
people that are in a unconscious

586
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,760
state and see if there's
anything lighting up right

587
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,440
there.
Because if there's not, then you

588
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,920
know, it might give you the feel
goods, but you're just wasting

589
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,720
your time, right?
Because I'll, I've had several

590
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:44,520
surgeries now where I've been
put under and I, there was one

591
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,280
where I had a pretty intense
dream.

592
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,400
But other than that, you know, I
don't remember anything, right?

593
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,960
I don't remember the doctors
talking.

594
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,400
I don't remember they, they even
told me like when I was coming

595
00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:00,160
out of the anesthesia, which is
essentially a chemical

596
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,680
unconscious state is what
they're putting you in, right?

597
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,840
And they were like, yeah, we had
a full conversation.

598
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,160
You know, we woke you up, had a
full conversation, let you know

599
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,480
how the procedure went and all
that stuff.

600
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,600
And I don't expect you have any
memory of that.

601
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,360
I was like, Nope, sure.
No, you know, and he's like,

602
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,800
Yep, you were talking to me.
I was talking to you and you

603
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,320
completely understood.
He's like, but you're probably,

604
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,320
you probably aren't going to
remember that and you you won't

605
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:28,040
remember that, right?
And but I don't know if being

606
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:34,200
unconscious through a coma would
be necessarily the same as a

607
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,840
chemical unconsciousness like
anesthesia, right, where they

608
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,200
have to put you under for
something.

609
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,520
And it's, you know, if they
could, if we could get to the

610
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:51,680
point where you could then read
what someone is or observe what

611
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,880
someone is thinking and stuff
inside of their heads, that's

612
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:55,680
where.
I was going to.

613
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,520
That would be interesting if if
I stay on the the coma side of

614
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,320
it, what would that look like?
A 10 year coma?

615
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,040
Is that just endless deep
thoughts?

616
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,200
Is there communications
elsewhere going on?

617
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,760
Is there, are you talking to God
while you're in it?

618
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,160
You know what's going on, right?
What is your brain doing?

619
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,280
What is your conscious state
inside of a coma?

620
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,600
If we could get to a point where
we could observe what that looks

621
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:27,480
like, right, For any a manner of
time, you know, say someone is

622
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,400
is put into a coma for, you
know, healing and stuff that

623
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,280
sometimes happens after
traumatic things like, you know,

624
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,240
IED attacks and things like
that, where there's so much

625
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:38,120
damage.
It would just be better to put

626
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,840
this person into a coma for the
next 30 days so their body can

627
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,080
heal versus having them moving
and having all their arms and

628
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,640
limbs, you know, all, you know,
all manner of chaos going on,

629
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,640
you know, having that discomfort
and that pain.

630
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,080
So they are put into that state,
you know, But what does that

631
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,840
look like from the inside from
their perspective, right?

632
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,680
Is it just like, oh, you fall
asleep and you wake up 30 days

633
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,400
later and you're like, wow, I
have a beard and I don't crave

634
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,840
cigarettes anymore, you know, is
that?

635
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,200
What it?
Is, or is it, you know, an

636
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:14,400
actual knowledge of the passing
of time in this isolated prison

637
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:15,400
inside your own head?
I.

638
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,600
Was going to say, could you
imagine that sentence?

639
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,800
Oof.
I believe it'd.

640
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,240
Be brutal.
And I mean, we have, we have a

641
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:26,960
lot of scientific evidence that
says, you know, depending on the

642
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,560
severity of the coma, we have
evidence saying that people are

643
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,080
conscious during it.
We have a lot of people that

644
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,880
come out of comas that say,
yeah, I remember you sitting by

645
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,520
my bed, you telling me this, you
telling me that.

646
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,560
But we also have the same
information for near death

647
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:50,080
experiences and one's looked at,
as you know, just from the

648
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:55,320
general public, from the, the
layman's point of view, right?

649
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,240
One's more believable than the
other, depending on, on who you

650
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:01,840
are.
I know a lot of people that

651
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,120
would, that will swear up and
down near death experiences are

652
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,120
legitimate and they need to be
studied because it, it's a, it's

653
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,520
our key to understanding what
the afterlife is like.

654
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,160
And then you have people that
don't believe that at all, but

655
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,120
they will believe that
consciousness is very active

656
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:26,120
during comatose state.
So it it would be very

657
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,600
interesting.
And the other connection that I

658
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,760
kind of thought about when I was
writing up this script for this

659
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:37,720
story is the possibility, like
what if we find this, we find

660
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:40,080
where consciousness is created,
where it is stored.

661
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,120
And we use that to confirm
another topic that we talked

662
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,560
about here on the infinite
rabbit hole, the split brain

663
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,680
theory.
What if we discovered that there

664
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,400
is in fact 2 consciousness
inside of each person's head?

665
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,760
And you know, a coma is simply,
you know, not maybe not a

666
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:05,000
medically induced one, but a
tragedy induced 1 where one

667
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,640
consciousness, let's say, you
know, one side of your brain

668
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,840
does shut down.
I mean, your, your coma is the

669
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,560
definition of a coma.
It then becomes something along

670
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,360
the lines of consciousness
ceases.

671
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:21,880
But the other hemisphere, the
right side of your brain, which

672
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:26,520
is not your commutative side,
which we do see come forward in

673
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,960
a lot of these split brain
patients, is there, it's

674
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,920
glowing, it's saying, hey,
there's consciousness on the

675
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,040
right side, but it cannot
communicate because the right

676
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,280
side of the brain does not
communicate, right?

677
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,240
That'd be scary.
I don't know.

678
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,600
I just little rabbit holes I
went down during.

679
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,160
Also, too, you have those freaks
that come out of comas and

680
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,080
they're like suddenly fluent in
Chinese when they were only

681
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,000
fluent in French, you know,
prior to that.

682
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,840
And it's just like, where did
that come from?

683
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,360
That was literally one of the
very first subjects I wanted to

684
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,240
cover on this show, and we never
covered it.

685
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:09,120
And we never will now.
Yeah, it's like, it's like coma

686
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,440
savant syndrome or something.
Yeah, something.

687
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:17,720
I know there's savants, right?
We're we should be pretty

688
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:23,000
familiar with what a savant is.
But there's people who get this

689
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:29,480
savant knowledge and know how in
a particular thing like Jake was

690
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,680
just saying like Chinese or can
play perfect guitar.

691
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:39,280
You know, something completely
that was irrelevant in their

692
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,560
lives prior to that incident is
now something that's that's very

693
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,520
highlighted.
It's very and they're fucking

694
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:51,080
amazing at it.
Anyways, you ready for the

695
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,320
fourth topic.
Yeah, sorry man.

696
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:54,320
No, no, you're.
Good.

697
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,720
Wrap up all of our time on this.
You're good.

698
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,320
I actually was not the one I
thought you were going to go off

699
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,360
on, so that's cool.
I like that.

700
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,560
There you go.
Actually, so this is my favorite

701
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,520
topic of the night.
This this four story.

702
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:08,640
I love this.
This is cool.

703
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,000
All right, last story before we
get into deep dive.

704
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:17,320
And this one's kind of weird.
There's a Cryptid investigation

705
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,400
happening right now in
Washington state near the

706
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,040
Columbia River Gorge.
Multiple witnesses are reporting

707
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,360
sightings of a massive black
feline.

708
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,280
Get this, Jake with the face of
a primate.

709
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:35,160
And the location might explain
why this thing exists, if it

710
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,080
exists at all.
The reports describe a creature

711
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,480
that's part big cat, part
something else.

712
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,720
Jet black fur, the body
structure of a large feline, but

713
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:50,160
the facial features don't match
any known animal.

714
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,080
Witnesses are saying it has a
primate like face.

715
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,560
Some are calling it the Ape Cat.
Now here's where it gets

716
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,680
interesting.
The sightings are concentrated

717
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,960
around forest near an old World
War 2 era nuclear facility or

718
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,360
facilities.
The Hanford Site is in that

719
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,960
region.
It was one of the primary

720
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,840
locations for plutonium
production during the Manhattan

721
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,920
Project.
The facility operated for

722
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,880
decades, and there's documented
contamination in the area.

723
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,920
The show Expedition X picked up
on these reports and is actively

724
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,200
investigating.
The team is looking into whether

725
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,040
there's any connection between
the sightings and the nuclear

726
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,560
history of the area.
Could decades of radiation

727
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,600
exposure have caused mutations
in local wildlife?

728
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,920
Is there a known animal that's
been altered somehow, or is it

729
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,880
just misidentification of a
regular animal under unusual

730
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,760
conditions?
Phil Torres and Heather Amaro

731
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,880
are leading the investigation.
They're tracking down witnesses,

732
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,640
looking for physical evidence,
meaning tracks, hair samples,

733
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,560
anything that can confirm that
this thing is real.

734
00:43:57,720 --> 00:44:01,400
And they're examining the link
to the abandoned government

735
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,080
site.
Now, crypto reports near nuclear

736
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,280
facilities aren't new.
There's a long history of

737
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,080
strange sightings around these
locations.

738
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:09,760
Think Blackbird.
Chernobyl.

739
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,600
Whether that's because radiation
actually causes mutations, or

740
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,960
because these remote, restricted
areas provide habitat for

741
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,280
unusual wildlife, or because
people expect to see weird

742
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,880
things near nuclear sites and
therefore do well, that's the

743
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,120
question.
The thing is, credible witnesses

744
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,760
are coming forward, not just one
person seeing something in the

745
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,440
dark.
Multiple independent reports

746
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,560
describing the same general
characteristics.

747
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,840
A large predator that doesn't
match known species in the

748
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,360
region.
Could it be a bear?

749
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,920
Sure.
Could it be a Mountain Lion seen

750
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,920
at an odd angle?
Possible.

751
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,360
Could it be an escaped exotic
pet?

752
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,120
Maybe.
But the consistency of the

753
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,800
descriptions, Specifically the
primate facial features on a

754
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,080
feline body, is unusual enough
to warrant investigation.

755
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,240
And that's what Expedition X is
doing.

756
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,320
They're not assuming it's real.
They're not assuming it's fake.

757
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,400
They're investigating the
claims, interviewing witnesses

758
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,800
and looking for evidence.
If there is something out there,

759
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,400
the Columbia River Gorge
provides plenty of cover.

760
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,720
Dense forest, rugged terrain,
limited human access.

761
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,960
It's kind of environment where
an unknown animal could

762
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,680
potentially go undetected for
years.

763
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,200
We'll keep an eye on this one as
the investigation continues.

764
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,120
If they find anything concrete,
physical evidence, clear

765
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,400
footage, confirm tracks, We'll
make sure to come back to this

766
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,600
topic if anything comes of it.
All right, Jake, what do you

767
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,600
think of the ape kit Kit?
You know, I didn't know

768
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,760
Expedition X was a thing.
I I just looked it up and yeah,

769
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,640
it's Josh Gates from Expedition
Unknown.

770
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:46,720
I'm I'm going to have to get
into that.

771
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:50,040
I I really like that, that show.
So I'm going to have to going to

772
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:54,920
have to check it out, you know.
Excuse me.

773
00:45:55,160 --> 00:46:02,640
I just this week saw two animals
that I didn't know existed on

774
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,520
Google.
One was a cat and the other one

775
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,360
was a bird and both of them kind
of tripped me out a little bit.

776
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:14,960
I didn't a Somali cat and I
can't remember the bird was but

777
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,120
I'm pretty sure it was from
Australia because that place is

778
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,640
very strange.
It wasn't the Shoebill.

779
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,200
No, no.
I wasn't that one looks crazy

780
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,320
too.
No, it was like it's like a grey

781
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,120
bird and it's the way its head
is shaped with its feathers.

782
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,880
It looks like it has a roundhead
with like a super long mouth,

783
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,360
but it's just because the
feathers kind of like lay over

784
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,000
its beak and it opens up its
mouth super wide and it looks

785
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,840
just crazy.
But anyway, 2 animals I didn't

786
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,720
know existed.
I would say there's a strong

787
00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:52,040
likelihood that when people are
out tromping around the scraggly

788
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,640
woods and they see something
they've never seen before, that

789
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,520
most of the time it could be
something that like, you know,

790
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,120
everyone thinks, oh, exotic
pets, how exotic could it be?

791
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:07,120
It's like, yeah, there's some
really weird, like, like if you

792
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,960
saw it, you'd be like, I have no
idea what I just looked at now.

793
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,880
A cat with a primate's face.
Could it be just a really jacked

794
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:21,600
up looking cat, like a with the
skin face, like no hair on his

795
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:26,040
face, Right.
I mean, yeah, but it's

796
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:27,480
interesting.
It's also interesting that's

797
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,520
around the nuclear sites.
And I agree with you.

798
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,840
You know, people often times go
out looking for things and then

799
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,280
oh, sure enough, they find the
things they're looking for.

800
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,080
You know, it's like whether
that's from pareidolia, I think

801
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,600
that's what it's called when you
just see faces in the trees and

802
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,680
then you got to put a red circle
around it so everyone sees what

803
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:48,240
you're taking a picture of.
And then there's, you know, just

804
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,640
misidentification or, you know,
just the creep factor.

805
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,080
You're just like, it's dark.
It's scary.

806
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,080
Oh, I might get arrested for
trespassing.

807
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,400
Oh, what's that?
You know, it's like everything

808
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,640
all creeped out and everything.
Your brain just goes nuts.

809
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,720
But yeah, I'll definitely have
to get back into this and see if

810
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:08,680
anything comes from the ape.
Cat probably could have came up

811
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,880
with a better name than that
because everyone's going to look

812
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,400
at that with any sort of
credibility and be like, no.

813
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:16,840
Yeah.
We're not going to get into this

814
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,520
one.
You know, you start describing

815
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,760
it, you're like half cat, half
something else, half this and

816
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,880
with the 8 face.
And I was like, it just reminded

817
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,680
me of South Park Man, bear, pig,
half man, half bear and half

818
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,240
pig.
I'm super serial guys.

819
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,160
Like.
They're like, OK, well, hey, you

820
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,560
know, the world's a big place,
why not?

821
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:39,880
Let's throw another Cryptid in
there.

822
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,240
I don't know, I just, I, I love
cryptids, man.

823
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:47,160
I love, I love when, when in
there in the, the news or, you

824
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:51,600
know, I, I like searching deep
for some obscure Cryptid

825
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,240
sightings.
I mean, you know, the Bigfoot

826
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:56,920
sighting here and there is cool,
the BFRL report, whatever.

827
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,200
But I like this because it's
it's new.

828
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:04,000
It's not something that I've
rarely ever, you know, read up

829
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,480
on before.
It's interesting.

830
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,120
It's got a fun story.
You know, the nuclear site thing

831
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,920
is always fun to read about.
Not necessarily saying it's

832
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:17,680
awesome, but it's fun, right?
And a lot for a lot of people,

833
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,400
that makes it believable.
I'm not saying I'm one of those,

834
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,800
but it's a lot of people.
It will check that block for

835
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,520
them.
All right, you ready to move on

836
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,960
to the deep dive segment?
The end cap of the night?

837
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,840
Yeah, dude.
All right, And for our Deep Dive

838
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:38,120
segment for the night, we're
heading to Washington, DC in a

839
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:45,440
small dairy town in Brazil.
January 20th, 2026, the National

840
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:50,000
Press Club in Washington DC,
investigative filmmaker James

841
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,640
Fox held what he calls a
landmark UAP press conference,

842
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:56,520
and the people he brought with
them.

843
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:03,160
Brazilian eyewitnesses, American
insiders, medical professionals,

844
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,200
and a few other big names in the
world of ufology are making

845
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,200
claims that, if true, would
fundamentally change our

846
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,880
understanding of what's been
happening on this planet.

847
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,720
Now before we get into what was
said at this press conference,

848
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:23,320
we need to understand the
Virginia incident itself because

849
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,800
the story goes back 30 years and
it's been largely ignored by

850
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:31,000
American media despite being one
of the most well documented UFO

851
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,320
and extraterrestrial cases in
history.

852
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,040
For a much deeper dive into what
incur occurred in Virginia,

853
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,760
check out our documentary
episode from July 6th, 2023

854
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:49,200
titled Episode 132 Virginia ETS.
Virginia is a small city in

855
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:54,520
Minas Cherise, Brazil,
population around 130,000.

856
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,960
It's a dairy and agriculture
community, quiet, working class

857
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,760
people.
Not the kind of place you'd

858
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,680
expect to become the center of
an international UFO incident.

859
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,520
On January 20th, 1996, exactly
30 years before this press

860
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:13,160
conference, exactly to the date
something crashed near Virginia,

861
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,840
multiple witnesses reported
seeing a cigar shaped metallic

862
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,400
object in the sky moving
erratically, trailing smoke.

863
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:25,520
It appeared to be in distress.
What happened next is where this

864
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,960
case gets extraordinary.
Over the following days,

865
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,680
residents of Virginia reported
encountering strange creatures.

866
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,200
The most famous incident
involved three young women,

867
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:42,600
Lillian Silva, Valkyra Silva and
Katya Xavier.

868
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,520
They're walking home in the
afternoon when they saw a

869
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:51,480
strange when they saw a strange
humanoid like being crouched

870
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,840
against a crumbling wall in a
vacant lot.

871
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,880
They described it as bipedal,
about four to five feet tall,

872
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,960
with brown oily skin, a large
head, enormous red eyes and

873
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,640
three bumps on the top of its
head that resembled in some

874
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,560
sense horned.
It had long arms, unusual feet,

875
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:14,480
and appeared to be injured or
distressed, and the smell was

876
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,320
overwhelming.
They described it as ammonia mix

877
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,960
with sulfur.
Yum.

878
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,200
In response to this encounter of
the women rant, they told their

879
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,680
families and the word spread
through the community.

880
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,840
But here's the thing, they
weren't the only ones who saw

881
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:37,120
these creatures or creature.
Over the next several days,

882
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,400
multiple independent witnesses
reported similar encounters.

883
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:45,200
A military police officer named
Marco Cherise reportedly

884
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,880
captured one of these strange
bipedal beings.

885
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,320
According to reports, he became
I'll shortly afterward and died

886
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,720
within a week under mysterious
circumstances.

887
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,880
The official cause of death was
listed as a severe infection,

888
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:01,520
but his family has always
maintained there's more to the

889
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,880
story.
Residents reported seeing

890
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:08,320
military trucks, specifically
Brazilian army vehicles, moving

891
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,040
through the town at odd hours.
The local zoo reported unusual

892
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,320
activity.
A veterinarian named Leela

893
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,920
Cabral allegedly examined
something that wasn't a known

894
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,680
animal.
And local firefighters were

895
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,200
reportedly involved in a capture
operation.

896
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,640
In a capture operation.
And then, just as quickly as it

897
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,960
started, everything went quiet.
Official denials, Military

898
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,640
personnel transferred witnesses
intimidated.

899
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:37,280
The Brazilian government said
nothing unusual happened in

900
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:43,040
Virginia in January 1996.
But the story didn't go away.

901
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,040
Researchers started
investigating.

902
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:54,920
Ubahara Ubahara Ubahara Franco
Rodriguez, a Brazilian UFO

903
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:59,480
researcher, spent years
documenting witness testimony.

904
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,400
He interviewed over 60 people
connected to the incident.

905
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,960
The consistency of the reports
were striking.

906
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,160
American researchers eventually
picked the story.

907
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,840
James Fox was one of those.
He spent decades making

908
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:17,840
documentaries about UFO cases
such as the Out of the Blue, I

909
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,400
Know What I saw, the phenomenon
and moment of contact.

910
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:25,800
That last one is entirely about,
for Gina, the moment of contact.

911
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,040
He traveled to Brazil,
interviewed witnesses, tracked

912
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:34,480
down military personnel, built a
comprehensive case file.

913
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,840
And now 30 years later, he
brought some of those witnesses

914
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:43,200
to Washington, DC.
Now moving on to the actual

915
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,240
press conference at the National
Press Club.

916
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,200
At the National Press Club, the
press conference featuring

917
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,000
Brazilian eyewitnesses ranging
from those who saw the creature,

918
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,200
people who saw the military
response and others who have

919
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,320
been living with this story for
three decades.

920
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,960
And it also featured American
insiders, people claiming they

921
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,800
worked on crash retrieval
programs, people alleging

922
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:10,440
they've been involved in the
study of non human biologics.

923
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,760
These are the kinds of claims
that historically would get you

924
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,600
laughed out of the place, such
as this story.

925
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,840
Conference hall.
But this wasn't a room full of

926
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,560
UFO enthusiasts.
This was the National Press

927
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,160
Club.
Journalist from major outlets

928
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,320
were there.
The event was live streamed.

929
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,200
These witnesses weren't
anonymous Internet users.

930
00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:34,200
They were on camera, on record,
willing to be identified.

931
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:39,920
James Fox's stated goal was
clear push for expanded whistle

932
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,280
blower protection and greater
transparency.

933
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,800
He wants the US government to
acknowledge that it knows about

934
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,080
non human intelligence and crash
retrieval programs.

935
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:54,160
And he's using the Virgina case
as evidence that this isn't just

936
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,840
an American phenomenon.
Rather, this is an issue that

937
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,280
includes the entire planet and
all of its nations.

938
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,080
The medical evidence presented
at the conference is

939
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,640
particularly interesting.
There are claims of physical

940
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,560
effects on people who came into
contact with these entities,

941
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:14,280
such as Marco Cherise's death
and other witnesses reporting

942
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,680
illness.
By providing these witnesses,

943
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,360
Fox didn't just report another
UFO sighting among the ocean of

944
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,720
others, he provided tangible
evidence of biological

945
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:28,280
consequences of personnel
encounters, of personal

946
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,600
encounters with these non human
intelligences.

947
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:36,360
The American insiders at the
conference tied Virginia into a

948
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:40,320
larger narrative of global crash
crash retrieval operations.

949
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:45,720
The suggestion being that the US
military or allied forces were

950
00:56:45,720 --> 00:56:49,640
involved in recovering materials
or entities from the Brazil

951
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,400
instant.
That would explain the military

952
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,400
presence, the quick response and
the subsequent cover up.

953
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:00,720
Now we have to be careful here.
These are claims testimony, not

954
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:03,160
physical evidence that's been
independently verified.

955
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,760
But the volume of witnesses, the
consistency of the reports, the

956
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:11,040
documentation that researchers
like Fox have compiled, it's

957
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,760
substantial enough that it can't
simply just be dismissed.

958
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,360
It at least deserves an official
look.

959
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:22,680
So why does any of this matter?
Here's the broader context.

960
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,600
UAP disclosure has been
accelerating.

961
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,520
The Pentagon released Navy
videos of unknown objects.

962
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,840
Congress held public hearings.
Whistleblowers like David Grush

963
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,000
testified underoath about crash
retrieval programs.

964
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:41,920
The stigma around this topic has
been eroding, but most of that

965
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,640
focus has been on American
military encounters.

966
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,960
What the Virgina case represents
is civilian interaction with non

967
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:53,840
human entities, not just radar
returns or fighter jet footage.

968
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,160
People face to face was
something they couldn't identify

969
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,360
and it happened in a small town
with ordinary people who had

970
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,600
nothing to gain from this at
all.

971
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,400
These aren't UFO researchers
with books to sell.

972
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,040
These are people who saw
something traumatic, reported

973
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,880
it, and then had to live with
the consequences such as

974
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,760
ridicule, intimidation,
skepticism.

975
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,080
They did it for 30 years.
The fact that James Fox could

976
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:23,040
bring these witnesses to the
National Press Club in 2026

977
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,080
shows how much the conversation
has shifted.

978
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,640
Five years ago, this wouldn't
have happened.

979
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,640
The venue wouldn't have hosted
it.

980
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,080
The press wouldn't have shown
up.

981
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,240
It would have been regulated to
late night radio in a few

982
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:42,720
podcast YouTube channels.
But today with the NDAA mandates

983
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,960
we just discussed with
congressional hearings, with

984
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:49,520
credible military witness, with
credible military witnesses

985
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:53,360
coming forward, with the All
domain Anomaly Resolution office

986
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:57,600
operating openly, the Virginia
story fits into a larger pattern

987
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:01,280
of disclosure.
So how do we evaluate this?

988
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,520
What's credible, What's
speculation?

989
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,560
James Fox has a track record.
He's been investigating UFO

990
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:11,440
cases for over 20 years.
His documentaries are well

991
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,720
researched, carefully sourced,
and he's generally avoided the

992
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,760
more sensational aspects of
ufology.

993
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,760
When he puts his name on
something, it carries weight in

994
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,520
his field.
The Brazilian witnesses have

995
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,240
been consistent for three
decades.

996
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,000
Their stories?
They haven't changed.

997
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,680
They're not making money off of
this.

998
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,520
Many of them wish they'd never
seen what they saw because of

999
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,560
their harassment and disbelief
they've endured.

1000
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,320
Here's what we can say.
The Virginia incident happened.

1001
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,960
Something occurred in that town
in January of 1996.

1002
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:46,080
Multiple independent witnesses
reported unusual creatures.

1003
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,000
Military activity was
documented.

1004
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,960
People got sick.
A police officer died.

1005
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,840
These are facts.
What those creatures were, where

1006
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,720
they came from, whether the
military retrieved anything,

1007
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,400
those are the questions that we
can't answer, and they're

1008
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,360
questions that deserve serious
investigation, not dismissal.

1009
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:12,160
If there were non human entities
in Virginia, where are they now?

1010
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,360
If material was retrieved, where
did it go?

1011
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,960
What happened to Marco Cherise?
What did the Brazilian military

1012
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:23,160
actually do during those days in
January of 1996?

1013
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:28,120
And to me the bigger question is
if this happened in Brazil, has

1014
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,560
it happened elsewhere?
Are there other cases like this

1015
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,280
that we don't know about because
they occurred in countries

1016
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,800
without a Free Press or in
remote areas or during times

1017
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,720
when reporting them wouldn't
have been possible?

1018
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:45,840
The the Virginia incident
suggests that contact with non

1019
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,720
human intelligence isn't just
happening in controlled military

1020
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:54,160
encounters over the ocean.
It's happening on the ground in

1021
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,760
populated areas with civilians
as witnesses.

1022
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:01,120
The That alone changes the
conversation entirely.

1023
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,120
The James Fox press conference
at the National Press Club

1024
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,840
represents a milestone in UAP
disclosure not because it

1025
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,760
provided definitive proof,
extrustural visitation because

1026
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,280
it didn't, but because it
brought credible witnesses,

1027
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,840
documented cases, and serious
questions into an official venue

1028
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,400
where they can't be easily
ignored.

1029
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:27,000
The Verzena incident is real.
The sightings were real.

1030
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,840
The witnesses, they're real
people.

1031
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,240
What they saw now, that's still
the question.

1032
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:37,040
But after 30 years of being told
nothing happened, these people

1033
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:42,160
are finally being heard.
Jake, my good Sir, Dots.

1034
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:47,360
Where did the little tiny aliens
from last year?

1035
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,440
Where did that come from?
Peru.

1036
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:52,200
Peru.
Yeah, I.

1037
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:57,520
Don't know, I have a hard time
believing that if there seems.

1038
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,480
Like really interesting
information coming out about

1039
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,400
that, but.
It's all fake, but.

1040
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:09,360
I don't, I don't think.
So the, the focus seems to be

1041
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:18,360
on, well, the United States, the
UK for, you know, UAP sightings

1042
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,760
and things like that.
I have a hard time believing

1043
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,880
that another nation wouldn't
want the clout from just being

1044
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,600
like, Oh yeah, we'll check out
what happened here and whip out

1045
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,400
a dead alien, right?
Or something like that, or a

1046
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,720
spaceship.
You know, I, I'm torn.

1047
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,760
I'm torn between the two
thoughts of like, I don't know,

1048
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,200
it's probably nothing to well,
if it was something, you know,

1049
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:45,080
they would be throwing that crap
up everywhere just to have the

1050
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:50,280
the one up over the US
government being like, Oh yeah,

1051
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,200
all your technology and guess
what?

1052
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,680
We actually have a body, you
know, here it is, you know?

1053
01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:01,520
Eat this America.
Right, Right, right, right.

1054
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,720
Anyways, I don't know.
I, I think the the Virginia

1055
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,720
Incident is amazing.
It's fascinating, super

1056
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,720
interesting.
If anybody wants to read a good

1057
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:15,120
book on the Virginia incident,
this book right here.

1058
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:21,360
A UFO crash in Brazil, A genuine
UFO crash with Surviving ETS by

1059
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:25,640
Doctor Rodger K Lear.
Great book, awesome book.

1060
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:31,200
I didn't pretty much the entire
documentary off of this book and

1061
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:37,560
documentary between the two of
them pretty much got all the

1062
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,160
information I needed for that,
that documentary episode.

1063
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:43,720
I don't know.
This brings up a lot of a lot of

1064
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,960
really good questions.
Man, when it comes to ufology

1065
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:51,080
and its presence, I would say
around the world.

1066
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:56,200
I, I wouldn't be surprised if
there's parts of the world where

1067
01:03:56,200 --> 01:04:00,080
this is just more common.
Like people accept it more.

1068
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:07,320
They know it's a thing.
I mean, there are a ton of of

1069
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:11,560
really good UFO stories and
alien contact stories coming out

1070
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,760
of South America.
I mean, the calories Brazil

1071
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,480
incident, that's that stuff's
wild.

1072
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:21,480
And then there's this, I can't
remember what country it's in,

1073
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:25,520
but it's either somewhere in
Central or South America where

1074
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,240
it, it's a it's an Ocean City.
It's like right, right on the

1075
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:33,040
coast.
And they're literally known as

1076
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,040
like the UFO capital of the
world.

1077
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,120
It's, it's crazy.
I'm going to have to look this

1078
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,920
up real quick.
They just have these regular

1079
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,480
stories or incidents with UFOs
all the time.

1080
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:49,440
There's stories that come out of
the Australian Outback.

1081
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,560
There's stories that come out
from South Africa, from the

1082
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:55,000
Congo.
I mean, there's a lot of stories

1083
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,800
coming from everywhere in the
world.

1084
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:03,560
And it's, this is not a, an
American phenomenon.

1085
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:07,680
And I understand like there's,
you know, people will jump

1086
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,560
overseas, go to England and the
first thing that they'll do is

1087
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:15,560
go to rental sham.
And there's not a lot going on

1088
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:19,720
when it comes to a lot of the
other European countries, at

1089
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:23,200
least in the mainstream UFO
logical circles.

1090
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:27,920
But that's actually very false.
One of the very earliest

1091
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:31,640
concepts of UFOs were ghost
rockets from Scandinavia.

1092
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:35,880
That was before Foo Fighters
like Foo Fighters and ghost

1093
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,040
rockets came out pretty much
neck and neck.

1094
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:43,200
Ghost rockets were slightly
before them during World War 2.

1095
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:49,400
There's there's UFO records from
everywhere in the world, ma'am.

1096
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:55,120
And I, I wouldn't be surprised
if this is more commonplace

1097
01:05:56,320 --> 01:06:00,200
where we look at it as sort of
like this pseudo topic, this,

1098
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:06,480
this taboo, if you will, right
for a lot of people to talk

1099
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,440
about.
And I mean, we're, we're slowly

1100
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:12,680
moving our way out of that.
But I think that I, there's got

1101
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,960
to be somewhere in this, in, in
the world.

1102
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,280
In fact, there might be even
more places in the world where

1103
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,680
this is just knowledge.
They know that there's something

1104
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:26,440
and they see it all the time.
They're openly talking about it.

1105
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:31,920
I wouldn't be surprised.
I OK, so it's not any big like

1106
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:37,680
any big surprise that my go to
when it comes to the idea of if

1107
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:44,320
there are actual aliens visiting
people or UFOs being seen or

1108
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,360
like it's called ships or
whatever it is that it's demonic

1109
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:50,760
deception, right?
I'd be curious to see if there's

1110
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:56,800
any correlation between the
paganism or practicing the

1111
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:08,640
occult or spiritual sort of
witch doctor Y things going on

1112
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:14,800
and then the appearance of said
aliens or UFOs and stuff.

1113
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,080
Because if you say things like,
you know, the, the Outback in

1114
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:22,880
Australia or in parts of Africa,
witchcraft is crazy popular in

1115
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:27,600
Africa.
Like it's a real big issue for a

1116
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:31,640
lot of people in Africa because
with that witchcraft comes like

1117
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,480
child sacrifice and all kinds of
stuff.

1118
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,120
Like it's really, really, really
popular.

1119
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:39,280
And if there's areas that are
where people are doing stuff

1120
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,800
like that or tribes or societies
or, you know, whatever towns

1121
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:46,080
that are doing things like that,
and then also having a high

1122
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:49,720
degree of UFO sightings and
alien encounters, that would be

1123
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:54,360
something that'd be interesting
to see a parallel between versus

1124
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,840
versus just the average, you
know, guy sitting on his couch

1125
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:01,200
watching late night television
and then every so often be like,

1126
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:02,720
Oh yeah.
And then the aliens land in my

1127
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:07,400
backyard, you know, versus a
consistent, you know,

1128
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:13,560
relationship or a consistent
encounter, you know, And then on

1129
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,120
the other side, it could just be
the remoteness.

1130
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:20,040
It could be just like the the
apparent dinosaurs.

1131
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,120
They're in the Amazon where the
tribe try.

1132
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:23,600
People were like, Oh yeah, we
see them all the time.

1133
01:08:24,399 --> 01:08:27,920
It's like, it's like, beware.
It's like, oh, around, you know,

1134
01:08:28,279 --> 01:08:30,600
humble up on them.
Oh, there's a brontosaurus right

1135
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,120
there.
You know, it's just like.

1136
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:36,680
Right there and.
Like the the population of white

1137
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,279
moose that are supposed to be in
the Amazon to be like, Oh yeah,

1138
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:42,000
we see them all the time just
standing up on rocks and stuff,

1139
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:46,000
you know, being moose.
So it's like could be a 2 fold I

1140
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,960
suppose.
Yeah, but that would be an

1141
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,880
interesting research thing for
me.

1142
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:57,200
I I doubt I would be very
skeptical that there is

1143
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:02,880
information of a correlation
like that, but it'd be

1144
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,120
interesting.
You should look up Mckelly and

1145
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,319
Bende.
That sounds familiar.

1146
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:12,000
That is the Congo dinosaur.
That's what I think I was

1147
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:17,479
talking about, just didn't have
the name for it and the area was

1148
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,720
wrong and everything that I said
was wrong.

1149
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:25,600
There's a, there's a book,
actually, I think I have it.

1150
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,120
It's called The Drums of the
Congo.

1151
01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:33,279
I think it's called Drums, Drums
along the Congo On the Trail of

1152
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:38,319
Mckelly and Membe, The Last
Living Dinosaur by Rory Nugent.

1153
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:43,680
Another excellent book.
Very, very good.

1154
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,680
Good book.
All right, man.

1155
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,760
Oh.
Look up the bird I've I found

1156
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:56,240
it, the Tawny TAWNY.
Share your screen guy.

1157
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:00,000
No, I haven't.
You got to look it up.

1158
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:04,160
Tawny Frogmouth.
Tawny like is in the color

1159
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:07,080
tawny.
Yeah, Tawny Frogmouth.

1160
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,400
This is the bird that I saw that
I was like, I've never seen

1161
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:11,000
anything like this before.
Oh man, look at that.

1162
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,040
That thing's weird.
Right.

1163
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,920
I'm not saying if I saw this, I
think it was a Cryptid, but I'd

1164
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:21,480
certainly be like, yeah, I don't
know what I just saw.

1165
01:10:21,480 --> 01:10:25,840
Especially this one with it's
red looking eyes sitting on this

1166
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:27,720
stick and it just looks like a
leaf.

1167
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,760
Yeah, that one, that first
picture, that looks weird, man.

1168
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,600
I just feel like I I saw a stick
looking at me.

1169
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:43,280
They kind of look like like
they'd be some form of owl, but

1170
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,600
not like an owl lizard.
Yeah, that's.

1171
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,520
Very strange.
It's what it reminds me of, like

1172
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,080
an owl lizard.
But I'm like, you know, I'm, I'm

1173
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:57,320
like super big into animals and
bugs and all kinds of stuff, all

1174
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:00,600
the stuff that crawls and flies
and creeps along the ground and,

1175
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,080
you know, 'cause I, for me, I
mean, it's just a whole, like,

1176
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:05,000
you know, God's masterpiece,
right?

1177
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,520
His love letter to us is just
the variety of things that are

1178
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:13,280
on the earth.
But in 34 years, I had never

1179
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,880
seen that before until a week
ago.

1180
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:21,080
So if one of those was taken
from Australia, which I was

1181
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:24,040
right on the, it's probably from
there, it is.

1182
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:27,200
But if it was taken from
Australia and put in, you know,

1183
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:31,520
a cage somewhere in like,
Manhattan and then got out and

1184
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:36,560
then someone just, like, sees it
there, they there's a likelihood

1185
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,080
that they could be like, yeah, I
have no idea what I just saw.

1186
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,840
You know, I mean, if it was like
that posed up on a branch, be

1187
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:46,720
like, I just saw a tree limb
with eyeballs staring at me,

1188
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:49,680
What is that, you know, type
stuff.

1189
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:51,160
And then that's how you get
encrypted.

1190
01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:53,880
Ends up being something
completely natural, just not

1191
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:59,440
from here, right?
Yep, I agree, but cryptids also

1192
01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:03,280
include out of place animals.
That's a classification

1193
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,120
encrypted.
I didn't know that.

1194
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:05,720
Really.
Yeah.

1195
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:07,360
Yeah.
Like Midwestern Kangaroos,

1196
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,840
Midwestern Kangaroos, Kryptids.
Absolutely.

1197
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:12,600
Yeah.
Yeah.

1198
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:16,040
There you go.
Southern swamp chimpanzees.

1199
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:20,040
Yeah, it's a ape cat.
Yeah, Ape Kitty.

1200
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:25,320
All right.
Jacked up looking face.

1201
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,640
Bye.
That is the end of the first

1202
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:33,000
episode of the new era of the
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1203
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:37,560
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1204
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,400
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1205
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,680
That's it.
All right.

1206
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:46,560
I don't know how to end this.
We're just going to say bye bye

1207
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:48,400
buddy.
Yeah, see you in the next fork

1208
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:49,960
of the path of the infant rabbit
hole.

1209
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:53,400
Hopefully we're all alive next
week and we haven't been

1210
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:56,480
attacked by the aliens yet.
Or.

1211
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,480
Or impede.
Even if we do, we should still

1212
01:12:59,480 --> 01:13:00,520
do an episode.
We'll.

1213
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:01,800
We can't do an episode.
We're.

1214
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,080
Bringing No, we can't.
But we can't.

1215
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,000
If we're attacked by aliens, we
can let everybody know that

1216
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:08,720
we're attacked by aliens.
Right.

1217
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:10,560
And then they'll get it the next
day and be like, yeah, dude, we

1218
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,680
know there's aliens and we can
see them.

1219
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,880
Just in case you don't know.
Yeah, just in case you were.

1220
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,360
Here's the infinite rabbit hole.
Late to the story again.

1221
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:26,200
Yeah, right.
All right, everybody have a good

1222
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:27,280
night.
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1223
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:28,840
Bye.
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01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:35,760
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1225
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1233
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,560
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