IRH 263: Unidentified Submerged Objects: The Navy's Underwater UFO Problem

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November 14th, 2470 Miles off
the coast of San Diego,

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Commander David Fraver is flying
a routine training mission.

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When the radio crackles, the USS
Princeton has something on its

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radar, something strange, and
they want him to investigate.

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Fraver banks his FA 18 Super
Hornet toward the coordinates

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his wingman follows, and as they
approach, Flavor sees a

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disturbance in the water below,
a churning cross shaped area of

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white water, clearly indicating
that something big is below the

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surface.
As he approaches closer, another

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shape appears among the
disturbance.

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Something odd seems to be
hovering just above the agitated

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waters.
White, smooth, no wings, no

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exhaust, and about the size of
his own fighter jet, moving

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erratically like it's mirroring
his own movements.

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Fraver descends to investigate,
and the object reacts.

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It rises to meet him, and for a
brief moment they're circling

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each other.
A multi $1,000,000 fighter jet

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and a perfectly smooth Oval
shaped something that just

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shouldn't exist.
Then the object does something

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favorable describe as physics
defying.

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It accelerates, but not
gradually.

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Instantly. 1 moment it's there,
the next it's gone, only to

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reappear 60 miles away in less
than a minute.

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The USS Princeton tracked the
whole thing on radar, but here's

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the detail that most people
miss.

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Before Fraver ever saw that
object in the air, the

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Princeton's radar had been
tracking something under the

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water for two weeks.
They detected objects dropping

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from 80,000 feet to sea level in
less than in less than a second,

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only to disappear below the
waterline as if continuing their

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descent into the ocean.
The object, which became

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famously known as the Tic Tac,
wasn't just a UFO, it was

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something that moved between air
and water as if the laws of

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physics didn't apply.
There was no change in momentum

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as whatever was being tracked
simply never entered the water.

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And it wasn't the first time,
not even close.

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For decades, Navy ships,
submarines, and coastal

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observers have reported objects
in our oceans that move at

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impossible speeds, dive to
crushing depths, and transition

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between water and air without
splash.

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We even have records of objects
entering into a third domain

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without any signs or symptoms of
the transition.

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Space Enigma, a major UFO
reporting platform, just

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released a comprehensive
database of these underwater

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encounters.
Centuries of reports, modern

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military testimony, geographic
patterns that just can't be

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ignored.
We've been spending a lot of

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time looking up for answers.
But what if we've been looking

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in the wrong place?
What if the real story is

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beneath the surface of the water
that literally covers the most

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of our planet?
The same oceans that we have

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only explore roughly 20% of?
Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit

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Hole.
I'm Jeremy Socha and with me is

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unexplained.
Every week we bring you the most

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credible verified stories from
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The phenomena that the
mainstream media either ignores

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or gets wrong.
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If it challenges what we think
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covering it.
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listener, you know we've been
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We're now running in a
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briefing covering the week's
most significant fringe stories,

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followed by a deep dive
investigation where we really

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dig into one topic with multiple
sources and serious research.

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Here's the thing.
No sensationalism, no click

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bait.
Just the evidence, the

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questions, and the mystery.
Today's briefing covers 4

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stories, and they're all
significant.

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First, a groundbreaking study
found 944 cases where Bigfoot

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and UFO sightings occurred in
the same location within 72

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hours of each other.
This isn't anecdotal.

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This isn't anecdotal anymore.
Someone has finally crunched the

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numbers and the correlation is
striking.

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Second, Skinwalker Ranch just
wrapped up Season 6, and while

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it's packaged as entertainment,
the scientific team documented

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some findings that deserve
serious attention, including a

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massive invisible phenomenon
encompassing the entirety of the

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property, a mysterious 1.6
gigahertz signal, and heat

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resistant ceramic buried deep
underground. 3rd, a former

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senior analyst at the Bank of
England has publicly urged the

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institution to prepare for
potential financial collapse in

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the event of alien disclosure.
Yes, mainstream financial

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institutions are now treating
this as a serious possibility.

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And forth, a physicist just
published research claiming that

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human consciousness arises from
the brain resonating within the

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quantum vacuum, also known as
the zero point field.

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By the way, this is testable
science that could finally

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explain the famous hard problem
consciousness.

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Then we're going deep on
something we rarely discuss on

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the show, Unidentified submerged
objects or US OS objects moving

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through our oceans at impossible
speeds, diving to crushing

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depths and transitioning between
water and air without

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disturbance.
Enigma just released a major

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database documenting centuries
of these encounters, and the

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implications are staggering
because of the US Navy has been

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tracking this for decades.
And if these objects exhibit the

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same physics defined
capabilities as aerial UA PS we

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need to talk about what that
actually means.

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We start, as always, with your
briefing on what is currently

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going on in the world of the
unexplained.

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But before we do that, Jacob.
What up Kerr?

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Hi, how you doing man?
I'm doing well.

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Right after we get this episode
done, I'm going to bed because I

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have to drive 10 hours tomorrow
to go pick up a Maine Coon

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kitten.
So it's going to be a.

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Long day.
He's going to get a Kitty cat,

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everybody.
Yeah, we're, I'm meeting the the

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breeder at the Iowa 80.
It's the apparently the world's

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largest truck stop.
And all my Co workers said I

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have to go to the Chrome store
and get a pair of truck nuts.

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So I think I'll do that.
I was like the Chrome store.

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They're like, yeah, like
everyday objects, but they're

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chromed.
And I was like, huh, he's like

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the truck nuts are really cool.
You should get some of those.

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And I was like, yeah, I'll have
to put the Longhorns back on my

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brush guard, and I got the
bullhorns and the nuts.

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Well, so there you go.
You ready to get in Some strange

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occurrences, some strange news,
current events that the

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mainstream media is not talking
about.

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Yep, sounds good.
Let's do it.

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All right, man, first one on the
docket is Bigfoot.

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UUFO correlation studies.
All right, here's a question.

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Are Bigfoot sightings and UFO
encounters connected?

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For decades, researchers have
noticed something strange.

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Eyewitnesses reporting both
phenomena in the same locations,

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sometimes within days of each
other.

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But until now, no one had
actually crunched the numbers to

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see if this pattern was real or
just mere coincidence.

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On February 5th, 2026,
researchers behind the Sentient

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Orbs Project published A
groundbreaking analysis that's

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forcing us to rethink how we
categorize unexplained

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phenomena.
They combine 2 massive public

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databases consisting of roughly
4000 Bigfoot reports from the

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BFRO.
And if you're not familiar with

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that, that's the Big Field
Bigfoot Field Researchers

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Organization and more than
130,000 UFO sightings from

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Newfork or the National UFO
Reporting Center.

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Here's what they did.
Each Bigfoot sighting was

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treated as an anchor event.
The researchers then search for

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any UFO reports within 100
kilometer radius in a 72 hour

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window of that Bigfoot
encounter.

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If this was all random chance,
you'd expect maybe a handful of

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matches.
Instead, they found 944

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correlation cases where both
phenomena appeared close

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together in time and space.
Let me give you some specifics.

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Around 10 incidents occurred on
the same day and roughly at the

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same exact time. 485 cases
happened within one day of each

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other, and the rest fell within
that 72 hour window I I had

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mentioned.
Now here's where it gets really

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interesting.
The study highlights several

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examples that have captured
public attention.

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In October 2013 in Hamilton
County, Ohio, a motorist

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reported a possible Bigfoot
sighting near the Little Miami

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River.
Within the same day and the

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following 24 hours, at least 15
UFO sightings were logged

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nearby.
Witnesses mostly described

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orange fireballs splitting into
multiple objects and performing

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precise aerial maneuvers.
Another case occurred in August

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2006 near Mount Rainier in
Washington state.

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A forest worker reported a
strange encounter in the heart

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of Bigfoot territory, the
Pacific Northwest.

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Within three days, there were
six UFO sightings in that area,

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including reports of a black
triangular craft and erratically

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moving lights.
The researchers are careful to

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stress that this is exploratory
analysis.

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They're not claiming proof of a
connection, but the patterns are

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striking enough that they
deserve serious investigation.

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So what could this or what?
So what could explain this?

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There are a few theories
floating around. 1 is that both

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phenomena share a common origin,
perhaps interdimensional beings

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or advanced technology that
manifest in strange, unknown, or

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even different ways.
Another theory suggests that

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certain geographic locations
acts as hotspots for paranormal

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activity in general, whether
that's cryptids, UFOs, or other

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anomalies, a concept made famous
by researcher John Keel in the

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form of his window area theory.
Or maybe it's environmental

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factors like geological
formations, electromagnetic

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fields, or even weather patterns
that might create conditions

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that influence sightings.
Then there's the psychological

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angle.
Some researchers suggest that

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witnesses who experience one
unusual event become more alert

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and are therefore more likely to
notice and report additional

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anomalies.
It's the heightened awareness

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theory.
Critics, of course, argue that

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this could all be statistical
noise.

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With 130,000 UFO reports and
4000 Bigfoot sightings spread

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across the country over decades,
some overlap is inevitable just

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by chance.
They also point out potential

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reporting biases, such as the
fact that people interested in

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one phenomena are more likely to
be looking for others as well.

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But here's what makes this study
important.

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It's the first time someone has
systematically analyzed this

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question with actual data
instead of anecdotal

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observations.
The researchers found that

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certain regions show repeated
clustering or places where both

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types of sightings happen again
and again.

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This raises some very
interesting questions as well.

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If Bigfoot in UFOs are
connected, what does that tell

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us about the nature of these
phenomena?

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Are we dealing with flesh and
blood creatures and physical

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craft, or something more exotic?
Could Bigfoot sightings actually

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be encounters with the occupants
of UFOs?

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There's a long history in UFO
literature of witnesses

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describing, quote UN quote,
hairy hominoids associated with

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craft sightings.
For a specific instance, I

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highly recommend looking up Stan
Gordon's research into the

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Chestnut Ridge case in
Pennsylvania.

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Or flip it around.
Could some UFO sightings

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actually be misidentified
encounters with unknown cryptids

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that exhibit unusual behaviors
or even bioluminescence?

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That comes?
What comes to mind for me here

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is the concept of atmospheric
beasts such as rods or

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atmospheric jellyfish that are
theorized be plasma based or

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even energy based life forms.
The study also identified

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potential geographic hotspots.
Areas where both phenomena

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cluster could become prime
locations for future research.

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If there are underlying
environmental or geological

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factors, those places offer the
best chance of finding them.

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What the study really does is
challenge the way we

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compartmentalize unexplained
phenomena.

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For too long, Bigfoot
researchers and UFO

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investigators have operated in
separate worlds.

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This data suggests that maybe we
should be looking at the bigger

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picture, a picture that includes
A broader spectrum of high

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strangeness that doesn't fit
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established categories.
The researchers plan to continue

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this work, refining their
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data set.
They're calling for a more

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rigorous controls and
independent verification.

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But even in its current form,
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significant step towards
treating these questions with

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the serious, with the
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Jake, what's your take on this
man?

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Does 944 correlations suggest
something real, or are we seeing

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patterns there that don't really
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I agree with the coincidental
overlap theory that if there if

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there was a linkage that there
would be the numbers would be

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higher than a handful out of,
you know, 130,000 or a handful

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out of 4000.
However, that's not to say that

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we haven't had folks on here and
have talked about stories before

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where there was where there was
a linkage between the two.

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But I, I disagree with what in
that portion, that quote, they

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point out that the potential
reporting biases, such as the

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fact that people are interested
in one phenomenon are more

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likely to be looking for others
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End Quote.
I would think that finding

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Bigfoot would be really cool and
I could care less about the

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aliens.
So or I couldn't care less about

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the aliens.
So I wouldn't fit into that

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category either.
If if, you know, if I saw a

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Bigfoot, I don't think I would
be also looking be like, oh, so

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they're going to be a UFO that
shows up.

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Unless I had this preconceived
notion that they were linked

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together, in which case, you
know, I might or my brain might

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just say, hey, now there's, I
don't know, create a

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circumstance in which those two
things happened at the same

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time, Right?
Yeah.

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But then again, I mean, who
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It could be the same thing.
They could be.

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They could be extraterrestrial
chimeras.

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The the ship lands, drops them
off ship, you know, starts

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taking off and someone stumbles
across one sees that sees the

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ship at the same time.
Oh my gosh, you know, and then

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they say, oh, they're linked.
And then everyone else is like,

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no, they're not, you idiot.
It's like, no, I literally

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watched them come out of the
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You know, they were glowing
like, like, you know, glow in

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the dark, sticky stars on a the
kids, you know, like the Kelly

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agreement, you know.
Oh, well, we don't, I, I don't

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know, we, we tend to disagree on
a lot of things, but I do agree

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with you is that I don't
necessarily believe that these

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are correlated.
We, we agree also just from past

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conversations that UFOs most
likely don't have an

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extraterrestrial origin, meaning
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that they're coming from a
different planet.

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I really like, especially in
this case where we're talking

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about cryptids such as Bigfoot
and UFOs and the possible

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correlation between the two.
I really like the alternate

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dimension or the multiple
dimensional theory where these

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things just live in a different
plane of existence and somehow

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bleed through into ours at
Times.

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Now I had mentioned John Keel's
window theory there in the the

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write up and I if anybody really
wants a a good idea of what John

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Keel is talking about in that
with that theory, highly

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recommend most of his books
really.

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But Trojan Horse and the 8th
Tower, those two are going to be

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your real introduction,
specifically Trojan Horse into

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the idea of these window areas
and the ultra terrestrials that

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he talks about.
Now do I believe because I know

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there's, there's a lot of people
that believe Bigfoot are

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extraterrestrials and they come
from these UF OS they land, they

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come out and they do what they
have to do.

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You have to look at the bulk
findings of Bigfoot store

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encounters, right?
The majority of Bigfoot

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encounters have absolutely
nothing to do with UFOs, and the

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same thing vice versa.
I don't think that we're looking

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at Bigfoot and we're seeing the
occupants of UFOs.

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We see them out in the middle of
nowhere, in the woods, in our

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backyards, cruising through the
tree line enough to support that

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they're not some ultra.
High technical being OK, these

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are the these these creatures
live in the woods.

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And that's, that's my, my honest
opinion is that they're right.

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They're natural, whether it be
from our dimension or our our

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plane of existence or another.
I do not think that they're

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flying around in UFOs.
I think that the personally, I

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think that the the entities, the
two UFOs and Bigfoot are

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completely separate.
I don't think that they that

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they have anything in common
with each other except for the

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possibility of the alternate
dimensional theories or the

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ultra terrestrials that John
Keel talks about.

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That's pretty much it for me.
I was just thinking, I know

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Jeff's not here.
He hasn't been here for a

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minute.
He's supposed to come back for

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anyone listening in the process
of moving and, you know, doing

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all that sort of stuff.
But so let me throw something

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out here that's from his
wheelhouse because you brought

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that up.
You said extraterrestrials, but

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not in the sense of aliens from
off planet, right?

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But in the interdimensional sort
of sense.

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You know, the thing that he
always touts is extraterra, you

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know, extra land, hollow earth
type stuff.

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So what's to say that the aliens
aren't necessary or the UFOs

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aren't necessarily picking up or
whoever the I should say that

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whoever the pilots of the UFOs
are aren't necessarily picking

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up.
You know, their occupants aren't

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the Bigfoot's, but instead they
are in a relocation process to

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some degree of taking animals to
and from the hollow Earth and

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dropping them in places.
So yeah, it's not like, it's not

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like think of like if, if you
had to like, I don't know,

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relocate a grizzly, a nuisance
grizzly bear and they just pick

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them up and they're like, like,
OK, we're going to take you over

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here.
Oh man, that'd be great.

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Like these?
And it's basically like the

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indigenous tribes watching a
helicopter fly over and drop off

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an animal in a cage, release it
and then fly off.

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And they they go back to their
go back to their friends.

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They're like, I just saw a
spaceship release, one of those

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big old things that are in the
woods, and everyone's like,

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yeah, OK, what do you think
about that?

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Kill him, he's got ghosts in his
blood.

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What do you think about that
though?

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I mean.
Dude, you know, you know what?

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It's, it's hilarious.
It is.

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But at the same time, it's
honestly not that bad of it's

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really not.
It's really not.

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Think about it, man, you.
I mean we have a nuisance black

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bears in our in.
Our or even like or even like

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breeding programs.
OK, though we're watching the

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the situation, the animals that
are no longer residing in the

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hollow Earth with the rest of
the the creeps are, you know,

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roaming out here.
These populations are getting a

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little bit low.
So we're going to transplant

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viable males or viable females
from one tribe to another.

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Right.
Well, let's just let's just say

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that the whole Admiral Byrd
thing or even Richard Sharp

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Shaver story is true, right, And
that we have these gigantic

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science holes at the North and
South pole of our planet that

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these UFOs or flying saucers or
whatever they are that, you

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know, escape from the inner
earth and they come out here to

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visit.
And then they come tell us and

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knock it off when we whenever we
explode atomic or nuclear

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weaponry.
What if, what if what we know is

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Bigfoot are just sub cotton, sub
biological critters and they're

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nuisance animals down there.
And they're just like, you know

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what?
This one keeps digging in our

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trash cans.
So we're just going to go take

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it to where it can't get to our
trash cans anymore and we're

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going to go, we're going to go
dump it off at Mount Rainier.

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It's not a crazy thing because
if you look into like the tribal

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sort of lands and they're
they're instances.

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I mean, there's been ones in
Arizona where it's like, yeah, I

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watched them under the street
lamp just digging through the

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dumpster and it's just like what
a in the butt.

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You got to clean that up after
the.

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The, the casino, the casino CCTV
footage from a long time ago,

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they had that, that Bigfoot
ripping through their, their

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trash cans.
If that was a bear, they would

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have, they would have went out
there, captured it and moved it

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out into, you know, some
National Park somewhere or, you

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know, State Park somewhere and
be like, all right, be free,

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little man.
Get up.

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Yeah, get up too.
Familiar with us, yeah.

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So yeah, if they're just
nuisance a holes in the hollow

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earth, it's just transplanting
them other places.

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Or it's a breeding program and
we just happen to be witnessing

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it from time to time.
Man, I the breeding program.

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I I think it's fun to think
about, but the the nuisance

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animal from the from the sub
earth is it's funny.

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It's funny, but at the same time
it's like, OK, maybe we'll we'll

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keep that in the hat.
That's not that's not a bad

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theory, man.
It's really, really not.

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I hope Jeff's listening and you
know his voice is still viable

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here.
We'll see.

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I, I don't, I, I got to argue
with you on on what Jeff would

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have brought up.
Jeff, I think would have came

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more from the Flat Earth side of
things beyond the ice wall then.

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Yeah.
But I do like the that's that's

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awesome.
That's phenomenal.

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If if somebody does a Cryptid
comic book, there's your

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storyline.
Take it.

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Unless Jake wants to claim it
right now.

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Nah, I mean, come on.
That would make a really

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awesome.
Like what do they call them?

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It was a graphic novel.
Graphic novels, Yeah, come on,

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man.
Just like the the, the nuisance

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Bigfoot in in the hollow Earth.
And then we're just like

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throwing them out there with the
humans.

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It's like, fuck it, get out
there.

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Go be with them, go deal with
them for a little bit until

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you're you're ready to behave
again.

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Then we'll come get you.
Yeah, we're the we're the like

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all any sci-fi movie where they
send you to the minds on like a

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distant planet.
That's what that's what the rest

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of Earth is.
You've been kicked out of Eden.

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You're being a nuisance.
We'll come get you when your

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sentence is done.
You know, dig through the trash

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at the casinos.
Bad.

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Bigfoot, Badfoot, spritz them
with water all.

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Right.
You ready for the second the

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second segment?
All right, Skinwalker Ranch, If

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you've been following fringe
phenomena for any length of

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time, you know the name of 512
acre property in the UN to Basin

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in northeastern Utah that's been
called the most scientifically

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studied paranormal hotspot on
Earth.

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For decades.
It's been the site of reported

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UFO encounters, Cryptid
sightings, bizarre

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electromagnetic anomalies,
cattle mutilations, and a

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plethora of phenomena that have
left even trained scientists

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completely baffled.
Season 6 of The Secret of

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Skinwalker Ranch just wrapped
up, and while yes, it is ATV

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show, the scientific team behind
it made some serious discoveries

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that deserve serious attention
regardless of how they're

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packaged for entertainment.
So let's separate the science

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from the spectacle and talk
about what they actually found.

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The team is led by Brennan
Fugel, who purchased the

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property in 2016, along with
principal investigator Eric

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Barden astrophysicist Dr. Travis
Taylor.

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These aren't fringe researchers.
Taylor has worked for NASA and

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the Department of Defense.
The investigations involve

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actual scientific equipment,
spectrum and analyzers,

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radiation detectors, GPS
systems, thermal imaging and

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high speed cameras.
Just list a few of them.

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So Season 6 biggest revelation
centers on what the team calls

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the Bubble, or the massive
invisible phenomenon.

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For years, they focused on the
area of the ranch known as the

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Triangle, which is a specific
zone where UAP encounters,

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equipment malfunctions and
unexplained medical episodes

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have been concentrated.
This season they detected

458
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,640
something they hadn't been able
to measure before, a large scale

459
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,960
phenomenon that encompasses not
just the triangle, but much of

460
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,280
the property.
Using smoke during a massive

461
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,320
bonfire experiment, they were
able to visualize something

462
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,960
affecting the air itself,
distortions and patterns that

463
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,880
shouldn't exist under normal
atmospheric conditions.

464
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,440
They also detected a signal at a
frequency of 1.6 gigahertz.

465
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,120
This is a specific repeating
signal that the team believes

466
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,920
may represent some form of
communication or energy

467
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,880
transmission.
The source of the signal remains

468
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,560
unidentified, but its
consistency suggests it's not

469
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,520
natural background radiation.
Underground.

470
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,920
The team made another
significant discovery, heat

471
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,720
resistant ceramic material
buried deep inside what has been

472
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,160
famously called the Mesa, a
Ridge that overlooks the

473
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,080
property.
The ceramic was found at depths

474
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,880
and in configurations that don't
match natural geological

475
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,440
processes.
The question is who put it there

476
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,120
and why.
The medical effects documented

477
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,360
this season are particularly
concerning.

478
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,080
Multiple team members experience
acute symptoms when working in

479
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,720
certain areas of the property,
such as severe headaches,

480
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,320
radiation burns, and sudden
illness.

481
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,800
These reports are backed up by
medical evaluations and

482
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,760
dosimeter readings showing
elevated radiation exposure.

483
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,800
Now let's talk about what makes
Skinwalker Ranch different from

484
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,440
typical paranormal areas with
extraordinary claims.

485
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,560
This property has a documented
chain of ownership and

486
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,000
investigation.
In 1996, billionaire Robert

487
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,880
Bigelow purchased the ranch
specifically to study the

488
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,440
phenomena.
He established the National

489
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,760
Institution for Discovery
Science, or Needs and deployed a

490
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,240
scientific team to monitor the
property 24/7 for years.

491
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,000
The research led to the
involvement of the DIA, or

492
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,160
Defense Intelligence Agency
through a program called the

493
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,520
Advanced Aerospace Weapons
Systems Application Program, AKA

494
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,960
ASAP.
From 2008 to 2010, the US

495
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,720
government spent $22 million
studying UA PS and a significant

496
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,440
portion of that investigation
focused on Skinwalker Ranch.

497
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,000
For more on this, you must read
a book called Skinwalkers at the

498
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,480
Pentagon by James Lakatsky, Calm
A Kelleher and George Knapp.

499
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,600
James Lakatsky at Defense
Intelligence Agency official

500
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,960
visited the ranch and had what
he later described as a

501
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,000
supernatural experience.
That visit convinced him, as

502
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,440
well as Senator Harry Reid, that
the phenomena at the ranch

503
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,960
deserved serious investigation.
The government program that

504
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,800
followed produced classified
reports, many of which remain

505
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,080
unreleased.
So this isn't just folklore. the

506
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,080
US government invested
significant resources in

507
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,520
studying this location.
They documented phenomena they

508
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,680
couldn't explain, and when the
program ended, private research

509
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,520
continued.
Grant and Fugels team has now

510
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,080
spent years building on that
foundation.

511
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,040
They've documented UAP sightings
on radar and thermal imaging.

512
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,080
They've recorded electromagnetic
anomalies the equipment

513
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,000
shouldn't be able to produce.
They've measured radiation

514
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,280
spikes with no identifiable
source.

515
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,880
The 1.6 gigahertz signal is
particularly intriguing because

516
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,960
it's in a frequency range used
for communications in GPS.

517
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,880
If it's a natural phenomenon,
it's one that almost perfectly

518
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,080
mimics advanced technological
signals.

519
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,600
If it's not natural, then
something or someone is

520
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,480
transmitting on that frequency
from or near the property.

521
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,800
The underground ceramic
discovery raises questions about

522
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,440
the ranch's history.
EU.

523
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,200
In Navajo tribes have long
considered this area cursed or

524
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,360
inhabited by malevolent
entities, AKA the skinwalkers of

525
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,080
Navajo legend.
But what if there's a physical

526
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,360
basis for those legends?
What if there's something buried

527
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,880
there that predates modern
occupation?

528
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,600
Season 6 also documented
multiple UAP sightings with

529
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,640
multiple witnesses and censor
confirmation objects appearing

530
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,200
and disappearing on radar,
thermal signature showing craft

531
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,480
like shapes moving at impossible
speeds.

532
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,320
The team has also documented
what they call the Hitch Hiker

533
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,600
event, which is a term used to
describe phenomena that seemed

534
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,320
to follow researchers home, such
as equipment malfunctions,

535
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,440
unusual dreams, unexplained
illnesses, as well as

536
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,680
visitations by a spectrum of
anomalies.

537
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,760
This pattern was heavily
documented during the ninja

538
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,480
years as well, and suggests that
whatever is happening at the

539
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,080
ranch isn't entirely localized
the property.

540
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,040
For deeper dive on this concept,
I highly recommend the book Hunt

541
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,960
for the Skinwalker by two of the
same authors who wrote the

542
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:03,280
previously mentioned book, Call
Me Kelleher and George Knapp.

543
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,520
Critics will point out that this
is a reality TV show, and that's

544
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,080
fair.
Entertainment value does matter

545
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:15,040
to The History Channel, but the
underlying data, such as the

546
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,400
radiation readings, the signal
detections, the GPS anomalies

547
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,400
and thermal imaging is not
fabricated.

548
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,960
They can't fake a spectrum
analyzer reading or a dosimeter

549
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,920
measurement.
The question is interpretation.

550
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,440
The team presents these findings
as evidence of something

551
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,800
extraordinary.
Skeptics argue that each anomaly

552
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,199
might have a conventional
explanation, even if we haven't

553
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:41,920
identified it yet.
But when you have multiple types

554
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,679
of anomalies occurring
repeatedly in the same location

555
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:50,320
over decades, at some point the
con the conventional explanation

556
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:55,280
start to strain credibility.
Season 7 has been confirmed for

557
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,480
summer of 2026.
Fugle has stated publicly that

558
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,000
the investigations will continue
and expand.

559
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,560
They're planning more aggressive
experiments, deeper drilling,

560
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,440
and more comprehensive sensor
coverage.

561
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,640
Jake, we know you've been
skeptical of Skinwalker Ranch in

562
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,480
the past.
The season 6's data change your

563
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,880
perspective at all.
Or are we still just watching

564
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,760
scientists chase anomalies that
will never be explained?

565
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,000
No, I'm definitely going to have
to look into this.

566
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,240
I was I wasn't aware that there
was a season 6 that came out.

567
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,720
I, I find it interesting for
entertainment value.

568
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:38,160
My biggest hiccup has always
been that, yeah, but it's a,

569
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,960
it's ATV show, right?
And so it's like they're not

570
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,680
going to do an entire season
where nothing happens.

571
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:50,880
And just because someone has a
history of being, you know, a

572
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,840
professional to some degree or
many degrees in, you know, NASA

573
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,920
or whatever it is, doesn't mean
that they can't then become a,

574
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,680
you know, reality TV show actor
just because they have a

575
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,240
background and things, right?
People change professions like

576
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:11,640
that all the time, right?
So you should see people go from

577
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:16,160
the music industry to the movie
industry and back and forth and,

578
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,360
you know, all these sorts of
things, you know, TV shows,

579
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,840
young actors growing up and now
suddenly they're into music and

580
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,400
all this sort of stuff, right?
So I mean, it's just a constant

581
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,920
like, what's the next thing to
to kind of fill that bubble for

582
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,520
myself and help me make money?
So it doesn't necessarily mean

583
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,240
that they can't do that.
And so that's always been my

584
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:38,520
biggest hiccup is that, you
know, it, it seemed like nothing

585
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,880
more than ATV show where they're
going to show a couple blurry

586
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:48,080
lights and like someone's going
to say, oh, well, I had I woke

587
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,480
up with a a splitting headache
and an upset stomach and I don't

588
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,440
know what happened to me type
stuff.

589
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,840
And it's like, OK, well, that
doesn't necessarily mean that

590
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,840
that actually happened.
They're just saying that it did

591
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,040
right.
But yeah, I'm definitely going

592
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,920
to, excuse me, I'm definitely
have to go back and watch it

593
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,040
because I'd like to see, but I
don't know, because I don't.

594
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:16,720
I don't think that I have seen
in any of the congressional

595
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,320
hearings or anything like that
where someone said, well, if you

596
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,760
look at the video here from
Skinwalker Ranch, you can see

597
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,920
clearly that the Uaps exist.
No one's doing that.

598
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,560
So what that tells me is that
they're not, it doesn't feel

599
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,160
like they're credible in that
space where someone's going to

600
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:39,440
use them and their findings for
evidence for their arguments

601
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:48,000
towards or against the existence
of UAP, you know, or aliens or

602
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,160
some sort of a paranormal
phenomenon.

603
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,880
Now, I could be wrong, but
that's just what I've observed.

604
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,880
So unless it goes from that
realm of ATV show on The History

605
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,800
Channel, which The History
Channel used to be just like

606
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,240
straight up documentaries, and
it's gotten really weird when it

607
00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:08,200
started doing ancient Aliens and
all kinds of stuff and say, OK,

608
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:09,320
yeah, it's getting kind of
hokey.

609
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,800
You know, you guys are just
looking for the next thing to

610
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,960
fill your pockets, right?
This isn't more so like, oh,

611
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,360
we're exploring ancient
Babylonia at this point anymore.

612
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,960
Now we're going into other
things.

613
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,080
So I don't know, that's just
kind of how I feel about it.

614
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,960
What do you think?
I love the topic of Skinwalker

615
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,680
Ranch I however.
Well, yeah, you did a four part

616
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,320
series on it, did you?
Well, I did and I also have an

617
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,120
80 page write up on it that
eventually I'm going to do a

618
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:43,440
full documentary series on it.
I don't I don't like The History

619
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,880
Channel show.
I think it's it's fun, it's

620
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:52,440
entertainment, right?
I wish I can say that they're

621
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,320
doing legitimate scientific
research, but same thing with

622
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,640
what you're saying, OK, Just
because they've had fancy titles

623
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,800
of the past doesn't mean that
they haven't bent the knee to

624
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,600
the almighty dollar, right?
Sure, and that's unfortunately

625
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:12,840
the the reality of that.
However, I absolutely love

626
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:17,760
Skinwalker Ranch and I love
everything to do with it.

627
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,880
There are.
There's amazing documentation

628
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,840
for this being a historical
place way before Nids, before

629
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:32,800
Fugle or Bigelow ever owned the
property, there was a lot going

630
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,720
on here and there.
There's one book, let me see if

631
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:40,000
I can find.
Saw you back there fiddling with

632
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,320
all your books.
You're like this one and this

633
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,600
one and this one, Yeah.
Yeah, well, I like.

634
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:49,600
Oh it's right here.
There's a book called The Utah

635
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,280
UFO Display.
It's by Frank Salisbury.

636
00:39:53,880 --> 00:40:01,600
This book talks about UF OS
specifically from the UN to

637
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:07,120
Basin and the area of Skinwalker
Ranch prior to any of this

638
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,360
happening.
This is a reprint of the book so

639
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,640
that's why it looks new, but the
definitely can look into this.

640
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,840
If anybody's interested, I wish
I had the original publication

641
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:21,720
date.
I don't know if you can look

642
00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:24,440
that up Jake.
Real quick, the books called the

643
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:29,080
The Utah UFO Display by Frank
Salisbury and see if you could

644
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,160
find an original publication
date on that.

645
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:40,200
But it highlights a ton of
really strange shit, especially,

646
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,280
I mean not just UFO related, but
also Cryptid related and other

647
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:51,320
phenomena that just plays this
area of northeastern Utah.

648
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:57,840
Now, if anybody wants a, a
really good What'd you find?

649
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,400
I found the original book, the
original cover.

650
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,800
Yeah, I can screen share real
quick.

651
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,480
Yeah, share it with the, with
the, with the listeners.

652
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,520
With the listeners, the window,
this one.

653
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,400
Yeah, that's it.
That is the original book.

654
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,920
Damn, 96 bucks, huh?
I might have to buy that.

655
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:23,080
I might have to buy it.
But yeah, it's it's a much older

656
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,640
book.
There is a reprint that you can

657
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,640
get off of Amazon for like 15
bucks or something.

658
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:29,960
I think that's what I paid for
it.

659
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,400
It is a a direct replication of
it.

660
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,280
There's there's no changes
really in.

661
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,200
Publication date 1974.
There you go.

662
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:38,840
See.
Yeah.

663
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:46,680
So, yeah, it there, there's a
lot of documented anomalies

664
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,960
happening in this area of
northeastern Utah.

665
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:56,120
Now if you want a more modern
look at this for that's not so

666
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:03,360
History Channel, if you will,
there is a four piece, there's a

667
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,360
foursome, we'll call it a
foursome, fuck it, a foursome of

668
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,280
books that I highly recommend
starting off with Hunt for the

669
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:11,560
Skinwalker.
This is what I mentioned in my

670
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,080
write up by Colin Kelleher and
George Knapp.

671
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,120
This is your introduction to
Skinwalker Ranch.

672
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,480
If no, if you're into the
Skinwalker Ranch, get this.

673
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:28,240
OK, There is there's an author
by the name of Ryan Skinner who

674
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:33,000
does.
He has a whole spectrum of books

675
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,560
on Skinwalker Ranch.
In my opinion, he misses the

676
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,040
mark a little bit and it gets a
little sensationalized.

677
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,920
Although I don't want to take
away from his research, I do

678
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,480
appreciate his research and I
have found some really good

679
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,480
information from his books.
But if you want your

680
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,920
all-encompassing informational
book on Skinwalker Ranch, Hunt

681
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,880
for the Skinwalkers where you
need to go now as a direct

682
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,200
sequel to that book.
And yet they're not necessarily

683
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,120
talking heavily about Skinwalker
Ranch, but it is talked about.

684
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:11,000
This book right here,
Skinwalkers at the Pentagon, is

685
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,520
written by two of the same
authors, Colin Kelleher and

686
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,320
George Knapp, but also includes
James Lakatsky.

687
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,040
Now there is a third book in the
series by the same 3 authors and

688
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:30,160
this one is called Inside the US
Government Cover Covert UFO

689
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,360
Programs.
Now these books go over the

690
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:43,480
programs such as OSAP, a tip,
APRO, Arrow Project, Blue Book,

691
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:49,040
Grunge, all of them.
OK it it literally touches based

692
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,560
on everything the entire history
of UFOs and where the the the

693
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,760
real connection is the
Skinwalker Ranch.

694
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,800
Every one of those three books
mentions Skinwalker Ranch pretty

695
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,240
heavily.
Now there is a book out there,

696
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,240
the 4th book that I like to
include in this collection

697
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:09,040
because it's so heavily talks
about Skinwalker Ranch and it

698
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,920
also ties into the same programs
that they're talking about in

699
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,800
these books right here.
Allsap a tip arrow.

700
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,960
They're all mentioned in this
these books and I'll I'm going

701
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,120
to get a lot of hate for this
because a lot of people don't

702
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,800
like this guy, but Lou Elizondo
is imminent.

703
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:30,320
This book talks about Skinwalker
Ranch quite a bit and he the

704
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,240
amount of cross information
between this book and those

705
00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:39,160
three books is incredible.
I've even told people that

706
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:43,600
personally I would never
recommend anybody read Imminent

707
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,760
unless they've read these other
three books or at least the 1st

708
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,080
2.
The third one, not so much, but

709
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:55,600
in order to really grasp what
Lou Elizondo's talking about as

710
00:44:55,680 --> 00:45:00,520
a key member of the A Tip team,
you need to understand the birth

711
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:08,200
of OSAP and their direct,
intricate doings with NIDS and

712
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,000
Skinwalker Ranch and their
origins.

713
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:18,880
It's very much highly
recommended reading from me if

714
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,520
that means anything to you.
I highly recommend those books.

715
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:27,040
I love Skinwalker ranch.
I will watch the shows.

716
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,720
I've watched the show, but I'm
I'm in no way, shape or form a

717
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:34,880
fanatic of the show.
I watch the show because I like

718
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,360
to stay current and see what
else that there could possibly

719
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,840
be there.
I like to see visuals of the of

720
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,840
the property.
You know, I'd like to to see the

721
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,480
stuff that that they're talking
about in these books and other

722
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,040
books that I have.
But it's ATV show.

723
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,240
Yeah, I mean, I, I just looked
it up.

724
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:53,920
I was like, you know, is The
History Channel reliable

725
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,920
anymore?
And the AI overview says The

726
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,600
History Channel is generally
considered not reliable or

727
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:03,120
academic, considered not a
reliable or academic source for

728
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,120
factual history, having shifted
heavily towards entertainment,

729
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,280
reality television and
sensationalized pseudo

730
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,480
scientific or speculative
programming.

731
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,240
While some documentaries remain,
the network is criticized for

732
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:16,400
prioritizing ratings over
accuracy.

733
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:21,440
And apparently there's a lot of
of actual like archaeologists

734
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:26,280
and people and historians that
are like, these people are

735
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,760
constantly putting out just
incorrect things, saying that's

736
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,120
factual just for viewership
purposes, like.

737
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:35,880
And.
It shouldn't be taken as this is

738
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,280
like, you know, actually real.
You know, this is reality what

739
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,440
they're talking about because
they've shifted so hard.

740
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,960
Unfortunate.
They they've built an empire of

741
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,680
entertainment on top of
something that has legitimate

742
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:55,320
history, right?
And Skinwalker Ranch is it's

743
00:46:55,320 --> 00:47:00,920
that sweet spot where you can
access a lot of information from

744
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:05,000
its past, where the
documentation of its strange

745
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:11,000
phenomenal history and anomalies
are very well documented, very

746
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,520
well documented.
And there's a lot more than the

747
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,840
five books that I went over with
just in the last couple minutes.

748
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,200
It starts with the the UFO or
the Utah UFO display by Frank

749
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,000
Salisbury.
That's really like the, the

750
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,520
beginning of where all this
takes place.

751
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,880
But I mean, dude, look at look
at the area.

752
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,320
The area is the same place where
the Mormon church was.

753
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,400
Really, You know where it blew
up?

754
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:41,880
Where there's.
Why do I always draw a blank on

755
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:47,800
this?
What's that freaking secret

756
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,360
society that Jeff always talks
about?

757
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,720
The Illuminati.
No.

758
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:57,000
The the ones that works as owls,
the Masons OK.

759
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,880
I mean, there's Masonic symbols
etched into Cliff rocks or rock

760
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,560
cliffs literally all over the
basin.

761
00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:07,240
I mean, there's some really
strange stuff that that's

762
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:08,920
happened there.
And then you, you throw in the

763
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:14,720
entire history of the Skinwalker
and the Yita Namushi and then

764
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:18,880
the whole war between the two
native tribes there, the Utes

765
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,480
and the Navajo.
It's, it's incredible.

766
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,800
It really is.
It's very, very interesting.

767
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,360
And I, I don't like, I'm, I'm
not in love with the idea that

768
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,280
The History Channel has done
this to Skinwalker Ranch because

769
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,920
it is a, it is a very
interesting place and I, I

770
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,360
actually really do love it.
I love learning about it, love

771
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,040
the history of it, but I hate
that it's become

772
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,920
sensationalized.
Well, it's not to say that with

773
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,480
my reservations, I'm not saying
that nothing happens there,

774
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,000
right?
I'm not saying like, yes,

775
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:55,080
historically that place was
significant for the things that

776
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,880
you just mentioned, right?
I'm not going to beat that dead

777
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:03,280
horse, but and I'm not saying
that today nothing is occurring

778
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,840
there, right?
Seismic activity or you know,

779
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,520
weird energy readings, you know,
things like that.

780
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,960
But what I am saying is that I
don't know how much of that is

781
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,440
actually like this legit
happened today.

782
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,320
The information that we're
providing to you is because this

783
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:26,400
is what we've actually found or
because we're making it seem

784
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,640
like it did for views, for
clicks and things like that,

785
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,080
right?
Like, OK, you're getting a 1.6

786
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,480
gigahertz signal.
Someone could be producing that

787
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,040
from their computer and being
like, oh, the, the readings on

788
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,520
our measuring devices saying
that there's a signal coming

789
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,640
through and it's just like, OK,
well, you're literally showing

790
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,680
that you're reading this, but
you're not saying where the

791
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,320
signals coming from.
Is that because you don't know

792
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,800
or because you know you're?
It's like a ghost hunting TV

793
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,280
show and it's just like, oh,
something touched me.

794
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,240
I, I do, I do recommend like if,
if, if you guys are interested

795
00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:02,760
in a 1.6 gigahertz signal,
definitely watch the show.

796
00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:09,640
They do do a better job at kind
of proving Bunnier quotes that

797
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,440
this is coming from somewhere,
not from them.

798
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,040
But again, there's technology's
crazy, man.

799
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,160
Like you said, it literally
could be being cast by a

800
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:25,720
computer right next to them.
And I, I hate to say it, but I

801
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:29,600
would hope this isn't the case,
but maybe maybe they don't even

802
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,480
know it's from the computer that
they're, that they're sitting

803
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,360
next to, you know, I mean, I
don't know.

804
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,120
I'm a avionics technician on
airplanes, and there's been

805
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,520
circumstances where it's like,
was I actually looking at this

806
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,040
correctly?
I spent 10 hours doing nothing.

807
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,640
Like, is it?
No, no, I'm getting.

808
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,720
Those ghost gripes man, gotta
love them.

809
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,080
Before we move on to the next
section, I do want to give a

810
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,160
book recommendation for the UFO
Bigfoot stuff from Stan Stan

811
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:58,840
Gordon.
The book's called Silent

812
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:03,320
Invasion.
The tagline is the Pennsylvania

813
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,600
UFO Bigfoot case book.
This is if you want to learn

814
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:11,200
about Chestnut Ridge or anything
Pennsylvania Bigfoot UFO

815
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,480
relation.
Stan Gordon is the guy to go to.

816
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:19,800
He's been researching this for
many, many years and that book

817
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,640
right there is gold when it
comes to just the topic of these

818
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,240
two and how they intermingle.
OK, cool.

819
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,840
You ready to move on?
Yes, Sir.

820
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,240
I like this story.
This one.

821
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:36,760
This one's really, really fun.
Here's a sentence I never

822
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:41,640
thought I'd say on this show.
A former senior analyst at the

823
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,960
Bank of England has urged the
institution they are employed by

824
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:50,400
to prepare for potential
financial collapse in the event

825
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,720
of alien disclosure.
Let that sink in for a moment.

826
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:59,400
They're not talking about a UFO
researcher or a fringe Blogger

827
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:05,120
or even some stupid podcast.
This is Helen McCaw, who worked

828
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:09,920
as a senior analyst in financial
security at one of the world's

829
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,200
most respected financial
institutions.

830
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:18,280
And in January 2026, she
publicly warned the Bank of

831
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,920
England's governor to create a
contingency plan for what might

832
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:27,040
happen to the global economy if
the United States discloses the

833
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:33,240
existence of alien intelligence.
This is significant for several

834
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:37,360
reasons, but primarily because
it represents mainstream

835
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,200
institutional acknowledgement
that disclosure is no longer a

836
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,360
fringe concept.
It's now something serious

837
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,520
people in serious positions are
treating as a genuine

838
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,440
possibility.
Mikaw's background gives her

839
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,480
credibility.
She spent years analyzing

840
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,280
financial security threats, the
kind of systematic risks that

841
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,920
could destabilize markets or
trigger economic crises.

842
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:07,200
Her job was literally to think
about worst case scenarios and

843
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:11,440
how to prepare for them.
And apparently she's concluded

844
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,880
that alien disclosure falls into
that category.

845
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,120
So what's her concern?
The basic argument goes like

846
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,400
this.
If the US government were to

847
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,720
confirm the existence of non
human intelligence, whether

848
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:28,160
that's through recovered craft,
biological entities, or ongoing

849
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:32,560
contact, it would fundamentally
alter humanity's understanding

850
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,520
of its place in the universe.
That kind of paradigm shift

851
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,840
would have ripple effects across
every sector of society,

852
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:44,640
including the global economy.
Think about the immediate

853
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,120
reactions religious institutions
would face.

854
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,440
Existential questions.
Scientific paradigms would need

855
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,720
revision.
Geopolitical power dynamics

856
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,040
could shift dramatically
depending on what's disclosed

857
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,720
and who has access to any
related technology.

858
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,840
And all of that uncertainty
creates market instability.

859
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:07,320
Financial markets hate
uncertainty.

860
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,840
They function on predictable
patterns, risk assessment, and

861
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,320
investor confidence.
A disclosure event would inject

862
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,960
massive amounts of uncertainty
into the system.

863
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,040
How do you price assets in the
world where the fundamental

864
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,400
assumptions about technology,
resources and humanity's future

865
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:30,760
have just changed?
Macaw's warning Macaw's warning

866
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,600
specifically mentioned financial
collapse, which suggests she's

867
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:40,000
thinking about systematic risk,
not just market volatility, but

868
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,000
the potential for cascading
failures across interconnected

869
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:47,160
financial systems.
Bank runs, currency devaluation,

870
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:51,520
credit freezes, all of which are
the kind of crises that require

871
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,880
central bank intervention.
Now, let's put this in context

872
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,760
with what's actually happening
in the US government.

873
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,240
The 2026 National Defense
Authorization Act, which we

874
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:05,360
covered in our last episode,
includes specific mandates

875
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,400
requiring the Pentagon to
disclose UAP encounters going

876
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:14,160
back to 20 or 2004.
Going back to 2004,

877
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,560
congressional hearings have
featured whistleblowers claiming

878
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,720
the government possesses
recovered craft and nonhuman

879
00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:24,160
biologics.
The stigma around this topic has

880
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,240
eroded to the point where
serious lawmakers are demanding

881
00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:30,680
transparency.
We're in a very different place

882
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,560
than we were even five years
ago.

883
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,400
The conversation has shifted
from do UF OS exist to what does

884
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,800
the government know and when
will they tell us?

885
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,520
Because warning suggests that
people in positions of

886
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,120
institutional power are taking
the possibility of disclosure

887
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,440
seriously enough to start
planning for it.

888
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,000
But here's a really interesting
part.

889
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,280
Her warning assumes disclosure
would be destabilizing.

890
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,560
Is that necessary true?
Is that necessarily true?

891
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:03,520
It depends entirely on how
disclosure happens and what is

892
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,720
actually disclosed.
If the US government confirms

893
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:09,720
that unknown objects have
violated our airspace but

894
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:13,040
maintain that they don't pose a
threat and we don't understand

895
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,000
their origin, that's one
scenario.

896
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,480
Markets might wobble, but it
wouldn't necessarily collapse

897
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,720
the system.
It's uncertainty, but manageable

898
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:26,480
uncertainty.
If disclosure includes

899
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,120
confirmation of recovered
technology that's centuries or

900
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,320
millennia beyond our current
capabilities, well, that's a

901
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,680
little different.
It implies that our

902
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,000
technological development or
energy infrastructure, our

903
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:42,480
entire industrial base might be
based on paradigms that are

904
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,280
about to become obsolete.
That's the kind of revelation

905
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,480
that could trigger genuine
economic upheaval.

906
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,560
And if disclosure includes
ongoing contacts such as actual

907
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,400
communication or cooperation
with non human intelligence,

908
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,000
then we're in completely.
Then we're in completely

909
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,440
uncharted territory.
In that case, the questions

910
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,840
would be who speaks for
humanity?

911
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:09,920
What agreements have we made?
What technology has been shared?

912
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,640
Those questions would have
profound economic, political,

913
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,160
and social implications.
Because perspective is worth

914
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,760
considering because it comes
from someone who thinks about

915
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:24,400
systematic risk professionally.
She's not asking is this real?

916
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,000
She's asking what happens if
it's real and the public finds

917
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,080
out.
That's a rational approach to

918
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,680
scenario planning.
The fact that she felt compelled

919
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,440
to make this warning publicly
suggests she believes the

920
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,240
probability of disclosure is
high enough to warrant

921
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,920
preparation.
Remember, financial institutions

922
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,960
prepare for all sorts of low
probability, high impact events.

923
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,400
They run stress tests for market
crashes, cyberattacks, natural

924
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,320
disasters.
McCaw is essentially arguing

925
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,760
that alien disclosure should be
added to that list.

926
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,880
This also speaks to a broader
trend, the normalization of UAP

927
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,080
disclosure as a serious topic
when former intelligence

928
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,120
officials, When former
intelligence officials, military

929
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:10,280
personnel, and now financial
analysts are publicly discussing

930
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,680
this possibility, the signals a
shift in how institutions

931
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,680
perceive the likelihood and
potential impact of disclosure.

932
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,280
The question for Bank of
England, or the question for the

933
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,880
Bank of England, and by
extension central banks and

934
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:28,000
financial institutions globally,
is what preparation actually

935
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,840
looks like.
Do you create contingency plans

936
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,960
for market interventions?
Do you coordinate with other

937
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,480
central banks on a global
response?

938
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,960
Do you gain out scenarios where
the disclosure of advanced

939
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,200
technology disrupts entire
industries?

940
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:45,960
But I have an even deeper
question.

941
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:50,360
If institutions are planning for
disclosure, does that suggest

942
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,360
that they have information that
we don't?

943
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:57,080
The cause warning doesn't pub.
The cause warning doesn't

944
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,880
explicitly say she knows
disclosure is imminent.

945
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,160
But the specific outline for her
concern, directed at the Bank of

946
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,960
England governor in a public
forum, suggests she's operating

947
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,280
on more than just speculation.
We're really living through a

948
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,960
remarkable moment.
The possibility of alien

949
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,000
disclosure has moved from fringe
conspiracy to institutional

950
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,320
planning.
Whether that's because

951
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,840
disclosure is actually coming or
because enough credible people

952
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:28,600
believe it's coming, the result
is the same serious institutions

953
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:34,200
are taking seriously.
Jake, if you were advising the

954
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,840
Bank of England, what would you
tell them?

955
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,680
Is this a rational concern or
are we getting ahead of

956
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,360
ourselves?
I think it's a rational concern

957
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,680
because I think that people are
irrational.

958
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:51,160
So that's that's the problem.
It's like Y2K all over again.

959
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:55,920
People are crazy, right?
So I think it's a rational

960
00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:00,520
concern to say, hey, you know,
regardless of what comes of

961
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:07,000
this, be prepared for financial
or market instability because

962
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:11,320
people are crazy because people
are going to, you know.

963
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:17,080
Quit their jobs to, you know,
because what does it matter

964
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,560
anymore?
You know, the aliens are real or

965
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,000
they're super big into aliens
and aliens aren't real, right?

966
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,000
It's just like, oh, my life's
been wasted, right?

967
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,000
It's just like one side or the
other, you know, it's just like,

968
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:36,760
I think that it is a legit
concern because whatever, I'm

969
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,800
not a big financial guy as far
as like, you know, I, I dab on

970
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,560
the stock market from time to
time, but I'm like, and kind of

971
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,800
trade in cryptocurrency and
stuff just to make, you know,

972
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:47,240
quick buck every once in a
while.

973
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:51,800
But I'm not the guy that can
like look at those charts and be

974
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,960
like, yeah, that makes sense.
You know, just yeah, I just

975
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,440
don't have that level of
intelligence or, or focus.

976
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:06,040
But I think that whatever,
whatever steps need to be taken

977
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:17,040
to, I guess, protect the global
market or you know, the US

978
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:21,000
dollar or the what do they have
over there?

979
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,160
Not the pound anymore.
It's the freaking the euro,

980
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,000
right?
Whatever they need to do to

981
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:33,120
protect the euro and its
presence in the global market is

982
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:38,200
important, especially in such
uncertain times as we're living

983
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,000
in now.
Because yeah, like you just put

984
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:45,800
in the in the very end there, we
very quickly gone from fringe

985
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:51,320
science to is this possible in
like, what, a couple of years?

986
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,360
I mean, since we've been doing
the podcast, really.

987
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,120
Well, yeah, but I mean, but
people have been like, you know,

988
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:01,600
getting more and more and more
stirred up by this possibility

989
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,000
of, you know, aliens and things
like that.

990
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,000
And then maybe on the adverse
side of that, maybe the

991
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,000
disclosure finds that it has
nothing to do with

992
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,840
extraterrestrials, you know,
inner Earth beings, outer Earth

993
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,480
beings, you know,
interdimensional travel,

994
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,240
anything like that.
And we just find out that there

995
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:23,160
is one country on this earth
that has the capability to wipe

996
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,080
everyone else off the face of
the earth in a matter of

997
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,760
moments, right?
And then what does that look

998
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:32,120
like on a global scale?
You know, how many people just

999
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,320
give up then because, you know,
they hate that country or

1000
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:36,880
whatever it is?
You know, what does that look

1001
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,440
like?
I think that there's so many

1002
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:42,680
different ways that that
disclosure can go, whether it's

1003
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:47,280
positive for aliens or negative
for aliens or positive for, you

1004
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,680
know, interdimensional beings or
negative or positive for, you

1005
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,880
know, super technologies we have
here or negative or whatever it

1006
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:59,560
is that any institution that's
worth its weight in gold,

1007
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,760
especially the financial
institutions, because that's

1008
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,480
kind of what they do.
They need to be prepared for

1009
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:11,240
that, right?
And so I, I don't know if an

1010
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:15,920
analyst, a market analyst would
have any sort of insight into,

1011
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,480
you know, if the aliens are
real, but I doubt it.

1012
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:26,440
But she's doing her job by
saying, hey, with all of this,

1013
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:30,200
this tension, be prepared for
some crazy times.

1014
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:34,360
You know, hey, maybe invest in
gold, maybe put some money into

1015
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,640
your savings.
Don't, you know, blow every

1016
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,440
single paycheck that you have?
Because you don't know what

1017
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:46,440
industries are going to get
twisted or shut down because of

1018
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,440
the disclosure one way or
another.

1019
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:53,440
In the same way with AIAI is
going, I, I totally believe it

1020
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:57,720
when they say it's going to be
eliminating jobs, right?

1021
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,440
You're not going to, if AI gets
advanced enough, you're not

1022
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,000
going to need that Lady to do
her job because AI will do it

1023
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,200
for you to look at market
research and stuff like that in

1024
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,440
a matter of seconds where you
would have to pay this lady, you

1025
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:13,720
know, 130,000 a year or 200,000
a year to look at it over the

1026
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:15,760
course of six months and kind
of, you know, figure out the

1027
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,360
numbers.
AI will do it like that.

1028
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,760
Her job's gone, right?
It would behoove of her to have

1029
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,640
a savings account because she
doesn't know if tomorrow her

1030
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:28,160
job, who let's be real, jobs
exist to make money, right?

1031
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,160
Her business says we don't need
you anymore because we have the

1032
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,400
software that's going to do
everything for you and we don't

1033
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,160
have to pay it.
Bye.

1034
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,960
You know, even if you get
severance, how long is that

1035
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,480
going to hold you out for?
So if there's any sort of an

1036
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:47,600
industry that could be disrupted
by a natural disaster or, you

1037
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:53,200
know, craziness in the news or,
you know, political upheaval or

1038
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:57,040
whatever that looks like, it's
important for people like her.

1039
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,320
And you know, well, the people
that do that sort of job or any

1040
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:06,200
sort of industry to look at that
in a lens of this matters

1041
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:10,280
because people's, you know,
financial stability is at stake.

1042
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:14,280
So yes, I do think that it is
important and I do think that

1043
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,600
she is voicing A legitimate
concern.

1044
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,760
To what end I couldn't tell you.
Yeah.

1045
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:24,480
So you completely changed my my
approach to this.

1046
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:31,600
So first I just want to talk
about very briefly what I what I

1047
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,840
do when it comes to these
scripts, right when I write

1048
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:40,800
these scripts for the news
briefings or really anything.

1049
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:45,680
I tried to touch on all bases.
What is what can anybody

1050
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,720
possibly say right when I write
these scripts?

1051
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:52,360
This isn't this isn't what I
think is happening.

1052
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:57,400
This is me getting all the
information together that I can

1053
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:01,520
possibly think of coming from
multiple different people

1054
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,160
believing multiple different
things.

1055
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:08,960
And I put it into a a script
that bounces kind of all over

1056
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,440
the place, right?
Like when I'm reading the, the

1057
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:18,360
UFO Bigfoot one, right, I have
my real thoughts on that is that

1058
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,360
UFOs and Bigfoot are completely
separate anomalies.

1059
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,200
But when you're reading or when
I'm reading that off, I'm

1060
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,000
painting a picture.
We are, we, we do, we are

1061
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,120
podcasts, right?
And we, we do want some

1062
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,480
entertainment value.
So I have to put it all out

1063
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:36,200
there and get people thinking
about possibilities and, and

1064
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,120
what other people would possibly
think.

1065
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,000
I've been doing that for five
years with you guys, right when

1066
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:45,000
it comes to the, the, the
scripts that I write, I try to

1067
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,520
touch on your your voices as a
little bit here and there or try

1068
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:52,920
to plant little pieces in there
that I know is going to catch

1069
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:58,280
Jeff or catch CJ or catch you
and make it so that you guys

1070
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:06,360
want to have a talking point.
My opinion on this was simply

1071
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,400
that it was interesting.
I just thought it was

1072
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,360
interesting, but I think I think
you're right, man.

1073
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:15,680
I've really, now that I think
about it, this was a point that

1074
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,480
I've totally failed to touch on
in my script.

1075
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,320
And you bring up a really valid
point.

1076
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:25,880
She's probably bringing this up
because she knows that the

1077
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:29,080
majority, I wouldn't even say
majority, but there's a really

1078
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:32,040
good portion of humanity that's
going to lose their fucking shit

1079
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:33,320
over this.
Oh yeah.

1080
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:37,640
And it's not necessarily the
fact that aliens are being

1081
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:43,440
disclosed and that now there's
these non human intelligences,

1082
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:50,280
but it's how are people going to
react even when a mainstream

1083
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:54,720
media, news outlets or news
outlet overreacts to this?

1084
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:58,320
What if TMZ pop comes out and
says, aw man, we're meeting the

1085
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,400
alien today?
People are going to lose their

1086
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,880
fucking mind, right?
And what?

1087
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,200
How people react when they're
their favorite team either wins

1088
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,600
or loses and they burn down
their own cities, right, They

1089
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,240
just.
Burn down Seattle because they

1090
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:12,680
they lost.
They won a Super Bowl.

1091
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:16,279
Yeah.
I mean, this is yeah.

1092
01:08:16,399 --> 01:08:20,040
I mean, this is this is a really
valid point that you bring up is

1093
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:23,560
that she's probably like, hey,
you know, just so you guys know,

1094
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:27,319
there's some pretty stupid
humans out there and they're

1095
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:29,600
going to fall for anything
that's put out.

1096
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,840
I mean, look at the look, man,
we have, you know, the Epstein

1097
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,720
files being pushed right now,
right?

1098
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:39,279
There's all kinds of of of
things being brought to the

1099
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:43,200
forefront right now.
As you know, what I call the

1100
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:45,279
shiny keys is like, hey, look at
over gear.

1101
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,279
You know, there's there's this,
there's these really cool shiny

1102
01:08:48,279 --> 01:08:49,240
keys.
Look at them.

1103
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:51,720
There's alien disclosure.
Look, look, look, look, look.

1104
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:59,000
But over here, you know, could
be something that could just for

1105
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:02,160
an example, could be Epstein
files being released, you know,

1106
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,479
a little bit at the time.
Here, white histories, all that

1107
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,600
sort of stuff, right, you know
they're they're.

1108
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:11,359
Unredacting some of the names,
you know, there's a big, big

1109
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:13,760
petition going on right now to
get some of those on those

1110
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:21,359
redacted names publicized.
And I could totally see, you

1111
01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:28,479
know, those people in politics
or at the head of these gigantic

1112
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:33,160
firms that that are on those
those I've seen reports being

1113
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:35,319
like, we need a fucking
distraction.

1114
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:37,000
We need.
We need.

1115
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:42,479
Something we need now and guess
who would be in the know on

1116
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:44,840
that?
Financial institutions.

1117
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,479
They would absolutely be in the
know on that.

1118
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:49,439
A lot of those financial
institutions are the ones that

1119
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:55,960
are paying for for AD revenue
and other expenses for political

1120
01:09:55,960 --> 01:10:00,680
figures.
I mean, they they want talking

1121
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:05,240
heads at in political positions
to speak on their behalf so that

1122
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:08,760
they can make money.
And who knows, maybe she does

1123
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:14,520
have an inside look at, you
know, something is coming.

1124
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:19,200
Because just throwing it out
there, man, it could, it could

1125
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,360
be for anything.
It could be a distraction for

1126
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,560
literally anything.
It could be.

1127
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:28,360
I'm just using the Epstein files
as you know current events.

1128
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:32,040
Well, that's like the biggest
thing that actually matters

1129
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:34,080
because look, I don't care what
their party is.

1130
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,120
If they went to that island and
they were dealing kids, freaking

1131
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,560
hang them out of the off the
telephone poles, drag them

1132
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,480
screaming out of their houses
and let's do the thing right

1133
01:10:43,480 --> 01:10:45,440
there.
You know, it's like, I don't

1134
01:10:45,440 --> 01:10:48,640
care who you are, like you're
going to get it right type

1135
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,520
stuff.
And so that's how I feel.

1136
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,600
That's that's where my mind's
been at, not, you know, the

1137
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,800
aliens or whatever.
But I can also see the other

1138
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,280
side of that where it's like
people are like, OK, well, you

1139
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,520
know, we've been getting the
runaround with this Epstein

1140
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,440
thing for so long.
It's probably never going to

1141
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:04,960
happen.
These people are names are never

1142
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,080
going to get revealed and
they're more focused on the

1143
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,600
alien thing.
But either way you look at it,

1144
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:14,120
she's doing her job by saying we
have disclosures coming from any

1145
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:17,440
direction you can look at.
Now, this is a crazy time in the

1146
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:19,960
United States.
You know, just the fact that you

1147
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,520
know, like him or hate him,
however you feel about him, but

1148
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:24,480
President Trump when he got in
and he's like, I'm going to

1149
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:27,880
release the JFK files, like
that's crazy.

1150
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:31,120
You know, it's like no one has
done that.

1151
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:34,760
You know, it's just like, you
know, or even him saying that he

1152
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,000
was going to do that.
No one has even talked about

1153
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:38,320
that.
You know, it's like, it's

1154
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:41,360
absolutely insane.
So we're in this crazy time

1155
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:46,520
frame where somehow, some way
the magic keys are turning the

1156
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:50,080
locks to open up all these dirty
little secrets, you know, and

1157
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,520
it's just like of whatever they
may look like.

1158
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:55,080
And that makes people freaking
crazy.

1159
01:11:55,480 --> 01:11:57,200
There's going to be a lot of
people that are going to be

1160
01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:00,800
like, I can't cope right now.
I'm not going to go to work, you

1161
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:04,720
know.
And it's going to it's all to

1162
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:06,600
push AI even faster.
That's.

1163
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:11,720
All it is but yeah, so I, I, I
not necessarily the angle that I

1164
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,680
was going at with where you you
went, but yeah, certainly.

1165
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:20,040
I mean, I think that just having
a awareness of a spatial

1166
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:24,480
awareness of what's going on
presently in like the highlights

1167
01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:26,480
and what's capturing people's
attention.

1168
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:30,800
There's some really, really,
really big things going on.

1169
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:38,200
And that is a breakout of the
norm where people wake up, they

1170
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:43,040
look at their local news, you
know, couple robber, couple

1171
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:46,920
robbings, you know, oh, save the
cat out of a tree.

1172
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:49,480
Back when news was like that,
Oh, man, you know, there's

1173
01:12:49,480 --> 01:12:51,480
actually good stories.
It was just depressing on time.

1174
01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:55,360
But yeah, wake up, drink my
coffee, drive to work, go to

1175
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,280
work, come home, see the family,
that sort of stuff.

1176
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:04,480
That is a normal day.
Not I'm going to scroll through

1177
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,920
through my news app and see
whose names just popped up on

1178
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:12,480
the Epstein registry, right?
Type stuff like that's that's

1179
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:17,000
like a crazy just wrench right
into the freaking, you know,

1180
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:20,720
engine block.
And there's a lot of

1181
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,840
institutions out there that
should have, even if they don't

1182
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,000
put any weight into it, even if
they're like, yeah, the aliens

1183
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:27,680
are BSI don't believe in any of
that stuff.

1184
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:31,160
Like me, if I was in that
position, I'd be like, yeah,

1185
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:35,360
well, regardless of how I feel
about it, you know, we have a

1186
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:39,440
lot of people who they might Max
out all their credit cards to go

1187
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:41,520
move into the woods and buy all
the guns.

1188
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,440
You know who knows That's true?
That's very true.

1189
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,440
You know, they might do all
these things and then we can't

1190
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:49,120
find them and we're never going
to get paid back.

1191
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:51,160
Hey, by the way, we should
probably batten down the hatches

1192
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:53,880
because there's a bunch of big
things coming and people act

1193
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:55,920
very irrational when big things
happen.

1194
01:13:56,200 --> 01:14:00,280
Yeah, I mean it'd be like the HG
Wells world, the world's radio

1195
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,480
broadcast people killed
themselves.

1196
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:08,320
Oh yeah, during that.
And I mean you start releasing

1197
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:14,440
that non human intelligence
exists, right?

1198
01:14:14,440 --> 01:14:16,320
Or quote UN quote bunting years
exist.

1199
01:14:17,480 --> 01:14:20,360
We could see a similar reaction
and it could come in the form of

1200
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:24,920
people, you know, doomsday
preppers maxing out their credit

1201
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:29,160
cards, booking into the to the
to the woods, or it can come in

1202
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:32,440
the form of a lot of life
insurance being paid out.

1203
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:36,560
It's.
Sure.

1204
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:38,800
Yeah.
I mean, so yeah, I think that

1205
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:42,520
she's she's wise to be aware of
what's going on.

1206
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:44,760
I agree.
I do.

1207
01:14:45,480 --> 01:14:49,320
All right, Dan, we're already an
hour and 15 minutes in this.

1208
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,400
We need to stop having such deep
conversations.

1209
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:53,800
No, it's a good one.
This is good.

1210
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:55,040
Yeah.
All right.

1211
01:14:55,440 --> 01:14:56,600
You ready?
That's it, listeners.

1212
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:58,200
Now you're getting yes or no
answers.

1213
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:04,920
All right for our final story
before the deep dive.

1214
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:09,840
Our final story takes us into
one of the deepest mysteries in

1215
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:15,840
science consciousness itself.
A physicist is making a bold

1216
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:19,720
claim that bridges quantum
mechanics and human awareness in

1217
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:23,400
a way that could fundamentally
change how we understand what it

1218
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:28,080
means to be alive.
In December 2025, physicist

1219
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:33,240
Joachim Kepler published a paper
in the journal's Frontier in

1220
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:37,720
Human Neuroscience titled On
Biological and Artificial

1221
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:41,160
Consciousness, a Case for
Biological, Biological

1222
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:45,480
Computationalism.
Take a breath there.

1223
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:47,920
The core argument is
fascinating.

1224
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:51,560
He suggests that consciousness
arises from the brain's capacity

1225
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:56,160
to resonate within the quantum
vacuum, specifically something

1226
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:59,400
called the zero point field.
Let me breakdown what this means

1227
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,760
because it connects
neuroscience, quantum physics,

1228
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:07,200
and metaphysics in a way that
challenges the standard idea

1229
01:16:07,440 --> 01:16:10,680
that the brain is just a
biological machine.

1230
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:15,840
The zero point field is a
concept from quantum mechanics.

1231
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:20,040
It refers to the lowest possible
energy state that exists

1232
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,960
everywhere in space, even in a
perfect vacuum.

1233
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:28,720
According to quantum field
theory, even empty space isn't

1234
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:32,600
truly empty because it is filled
with fluctuating quantum fields.

1235
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:37,360
This isn't speculation, it is
well established physics with

1236
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:42,200
measurable effects.
What Kepler proposes is that the

1237
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:46,000
brain does not generate
consciousness in isolation.

1238
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:53,080
Instead, conscious states arise
when the brain's structures,

1239
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:57,000
specifically the tiny functional
units called cortical

1240
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:01,360
microcolumns, coupled directly
with the zero point field.

1241
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:04,880
In other words, consciousness
emerges from the brain's

1242
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,560
interaction with this
fundamental quantum background

1243
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:13,120
that permeates all of space.
This is a radical departure from

1244
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:16,240
conventional neuroscience.
Most scientists treat

1245
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:20,280
consciousness as purely a
product of neural activity, like

1246
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,760
a computer processing
information through circuits and

1247
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,440
signals.
Kepler is arguing that

1248
01:17:25,440 --> 01:17:28,360
consciousness requires this
quantum connection.

1249
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:32,000
In this view, the brain isn't
creating consciousness from

1250
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,120
scratch.
It is acting more like a

1251
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:37,320
receiver or resonator or
something that already exists in

1252
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:41,240
the quantum vacuum.
Now, why is this significant?

1253
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:44,960
It addresses what philosophers
call the hard problem of

1254
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,320
consciousness.
We touched on this in last

1255
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:49,800
week's episode.
But to briefly refresh your

1256
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:55,160
memory, the hard problem asks
how physical matter produces A

1257
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:59,200
subjective experience.
We can explain how the brain

1258
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:04,360
processes visual information.
Light hits the retina, signals

1259
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:08,480
travel through the optic nerve,
and neurons in the visual cortex

1260
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:11,200
activate.
But none of that actually

1261
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:15,440
explains why you actually
experience, for example, the

1262
01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:18,160
color red.
Why does a physical process

1263
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:22,080
create a felt sensation?
Materialist.

1264
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,840
Materialist neuroscience has
struggled with this because it

1265
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:31,320
tries to explain consciousness
as something that just appears

1266
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,480
once a system gets complex
enough.

1267
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:37,200
They assume that if you have
enough neurons firing in the

1268
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:40,640
right patterns, subjective
experience just pops into

1269
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,880
existence.
But no one has ever explained

1270
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,920
the actual mechanism that makes
that happen.

1271
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:51,000
Kepler's model offers a
different answer altogether.

1272
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:56,240
Consciousness does not emerge
from complexity alone.

1273
01:18:56,840 --> 01:19:00,200
It emerges from the brain's
ability to vibrate In Sync with

1274
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:03,880
a 0 point field.
Conscious experience is what

1275
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,480
happens when our biological
structures interact with this

1276
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:10,840
underlying quantum layer.
This has profound implications.

1277
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:15,240
If consciousness depends on
resonating with a field that

1278
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:18,920
exists everywhere, then
consciousness isn't limited to

1279
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:21,680
the brain.
In a way we typically think the

1280
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,360
brain is more like a radio
tuning into a signal that is

1281
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:27,760
already in the air.
This could explain phenomena

1282
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:31,280
like near death experiences or
out of body experiences.

1283
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:35,440
If consciousness can interact
with a non local quantum field,

1284
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,840
then our access to information
might not be limited by our

1285
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:42,120
physical location.
Kepler's paper specifically

1286
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:45,720
mentions that his model can be
tested by manipulating

1287
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:48,160
conditions in the brain.
Researchers could explore

1288
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:51,880
whether the brain does, in fact,
harness the zero point fueled.

1289
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,360
He proposes systematic
experiments to probe the

1290
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:59,200
boundaries of this relationship.
This isn't the first time

1291
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:02,320
scientists have proposed quantum
explanations for the mind.

1292
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:07,480
For decades, Rodger Penrose and
Stuart Hammerhoff have argued

1293
01:20:07,480 --> 01:20:11,440
that tiny structures enzyme
neurons called microtubules

1294
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,040
might be the key.
Their theories suggest that

1295
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:19,680
consciousness involves quantum
shifts occurring inside the

1296
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,720
brain itself.
Kepler's model is a little

1297
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:24,640
different.
He is proposing that

1298
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:27,400
consciousness comes from our
interaction with the vacuum of

1299
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:31,960
space itself, not just processes
inside of ourselves.

1300
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:36,160
This connects our awareness to
the fundamental structure of

1301
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:38,320
reality at the most basic of
levels.

1302
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:41,880
This gets very interesting for
anyone who follows French

1303
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:45,600
science.
The zero point field has been a

1304
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,800
topic in alternative physics for
a long time.

1305
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:53,040
Some have suggested it could be
a source of unlimited energy or

1306
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:56,200
the mechanism behind psychic
phenomena.

1307
01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:00,840
The CIA's Gateway process, which
we've covered before, talked

1308
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:05,160
about consciousness and it's
excess, and it's accessing of

1309
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:08,680
information by tuning into
something that beyond ordinary

1310
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:12,360
space and time.
If Kepler is correct, it

1311
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:15,560
provides a scientific framework
for how those experiences might

1312
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:18,160
actually work.
It doesn't prove they are real,

1313
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:21,320
but it offers a mechanism that
doesn't violate the laws of

1314
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:24,200
physics.
It also changes how we look at

1315
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:27,600
artificial intelligence.
If consciousness requires a

1316
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:31,160
biological structure that can
resonate with a quantum field,

1317
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:36,520
then a conscious AI might need
more than just better code.

1318
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:40,760
You might need to build hardware
that replicates the biological,

1319
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:43,880
quote UN quote antennas of the
human brain.

1320
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:47,680
Kepler acknowledges that this is
early stage work.

1321
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,920
The model needs rigorous
testing, but what makes it

1322
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:55,640
valuable is that it is testable.
Unlike many philosophical

1323
01:21:55,640 --> 01:22:00,440
theories, this proposes specific
mechanisms we can investigate.

1324
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,800
Neuroscientists have long
noticed that conscious states

1325
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:05,880
are linked to synchronized brain
waves.

1326
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:08,720
Kepler argues this
synchronization isn't just

1327
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:12,520
noise, it is the brain reaching
the specific frequency needed to

1328
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:16,440
plug into the zero point field.
When that connection happens,

1329
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:21,480
consciousness emerges.
This raises profound questions.

1330
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:26,600
More profound questions.
If our awareness depends on this

1331
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:29,480
quantum connection, what happens
when the physical body dies?

1332
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:32,280
Does the connection persist in
the same form?

1333
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:38,360
That is the speculation for now,
but it is the kind of question

1334
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,280
this model forces us to
confront.

1335
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:45,560
It reframes our entire reality.
If consciousness is deeply

1336
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:49,560
integrated with the universe at
the most basic level, then we

1337
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:51,920
aren't separate from the
physical world.

1338
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:55,920
This echoes ancient traditions
that view consciousness as the

1339
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,680
foundation of everything, rather
than just a byproduct of

1340
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:02,000
biology.
The scientific response will be

1341
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,240
interesting.
Mainstream science is often

1342
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:07,160
skeptical because quantum
effects are usually too fragile

1343
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:10,080
to survive in the warm
environment of a human brain.

1344
01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:15,840
But Kepler argues that this
resonance is a different kind of

1345
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:20,200
interaction that doesn't require
the same delicate conditions.

1346
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:23,920
This paper opens a door.
For a long time, we've treated

1347
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,320
the mind as a byproduct of
complexity.

1348
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:30,960
Kepler is proposing that we need
to look deeper into the very

1349
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,520
fabric of space to understand
what we really are.

1350
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:38,400
All right, Jake, your turn.
Does this model make sense to

1351
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,320
you?
Are we finally getting close to

1352
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:42,560
understanding consciousness, Or
are we just adding more

1353
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,080
complexity to a mystery we'll
never fully solve?

1354
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,520
Yes.
He did the thing he said he was

1355
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:51,960
going to do.
I did the thing.

1356
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:56,560
No, I, I have no idea what this
what you just read.

1357
01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:02,160
It makes no sense to me.
Completely honest.

1358
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:09,280
I'm like right over my head.
If if we were all on the same

1359
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:12,280
network and we were just tuning
into it, then why can't we read

1360
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:14,800
other people's thoughts?
That is a good point.

1361
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:18,640
But then again, where does
consciousness come from?

1362
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:21,320
I don't know.
It's a good.

1363
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:23,760
Brow I guess.
It's a whole, it's a bigger

1364
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:25,440
question, man.
It's it, there's a, there's a

1365
01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:30,760
lot of stuff going on.
And my, my original real deep

1366
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:36,960
dive interest into consciousness
really started when we did that,

1367
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:42,920
when I did, when I covered the
split brain hypothesis by

1368
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:48,480
Michael Gazanika.
And then I took that really deep

1369
01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:51,600
dive into Ndes.
It bothers me now.

1370
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:57,280
Like it really bothers me.
I just don't understand how a

1371
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:06,280
glob of meat inside of her skull
can harness consciousness.

1372
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:11,960
You know, at the, at the most
basic of definitions of what

1373
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:15,560
consciousness can be defined by.
I just don't get it.

1374
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:19,840
I mean, you know, there's,
there's all kinds of different

1375
01:25:20,480 --> 01:25:24,360
cellular structures and
different components of the

1376
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:27,880
brain that we don't have and
other meat in our body.

1377
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:32,320
And you know, the, the, the
joking comparison that I talked

1378
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:35,960
about last week was the, the,
the.

1379
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:38,560
Piece of steak, right?
Yeah, the electrified steak at

1380
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:41,680
at the grocery store.
And yeah, I mean, we have

1381
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:45,640
different cellular structures
inside of our brains and it goes

1382
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:47,560
beyond neurons.
There's a, there's a lot of

1383
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:52,600
different things.
But still at in the biological

1384
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:57,080
level of things, it's meat, it's
protein.

1385
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:05,760
And it's just the, the
comparison to the, the meat at

1386
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:08,720
the grocery stores is literally
just me trying to break it down

1387
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:13,280
into a layman's terms of what my
thought processes are here.

1388
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:17,280
Is that what is so special about
the brain?

1389
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:20,560
What is it?
And I agree.

1390
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:25,440
I, I don't necessarily believe
that we're all just connected to

1391
01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:31,440
the ether, right?
The all-encompassing quantum 0

1392
01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:35,280
point field, which is just the
existence of everything really,

1393
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:41,120
because we do have those unique
viewpoints, right?

1394
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:44,040
I can't, I can't just jump into
your consciousness.

1395
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:47,320
You can't just jump into I.
Don't think that we would have

1396
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:49,680
we we wouldn't have separate
viewpoints at all.

1397
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:51,240
We would all think the same
thing.

1398
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:53,080
It'd be more.
It would be more like a hive

1399
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:55,480
mind.
Like all the radios tuned into

1400
01:26:55,480 --> 01:26:58,240
the exact same radio station,
you're all getting the exact

1401
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:00,880
same information at the exact
same time because you're all,

1402
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:04,360
it's just an antenna that's
picking up that frequency of

1403
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:07,800
whatever, you know, K 98 or K
love or whatever it is the

1404
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:09,920
thing, right?
So yeah, we wouldn't.

1405
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:15,280
There would be, not necessarily.
I can't read your thoughts, but

1406
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,680
our thoughts are the same
because we're getting the exact

1407
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:21,080
same information, right.
And so it's like there's.

1408
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:24,200
Too much, you know, there's too
much individualism.

1409
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:28,680
Yeah.
And then then you get into other

1410
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:31,720
biological critters like your
Kitty cat that you're going to

1411
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:35,760
pick up tomorrow, right.
I mean, there there's a, there's

1412
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:41,320
a clear difference, especially
intelligence wise between humans

1413
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:44,800
and let's say your Kitty cat,
right?

1414
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:48,760
Yeah.
You know, the human brain has an

1415
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:52,960
absolute butt ton of of neurons
per square inch compared to

1416
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:56,600
other animals.
But how does that correlate?

1417
01:27:57,160 --> 01:28:03,520
Just just because that we have a
lot more, you know, how does

1418
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:08,440
that actually correlate to, to
more intelligence, to sentience,

1419
01:28:08,440 --> 01:28:11,080
to a point to where we can
communicate verbally and

1420
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:16,520
understand each other?
You know, we can document our

1421
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:20,320
history, we can do advanced
mathematical problems.

1422
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:23,760
We create art out of forms of
expression.

1423
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:25,800
Yeah.
And it's just like, completely

1424
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:29,040
different than, yeah, you can
teach a chimpanzee or a gorilla

1425
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:32,880
how to do sign language, but do
they know the nuances of

1426
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:38,080
creating art without being
taught how to do so right?

1427
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:41,920
Because no one taught humans how
to express themselves through

1428
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,360
art and music.
They just did it right.

1429
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:48,040
And that's what separates us
from other animals.

1430
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:50,600
You know, for a limited time,
you can teach a gorilla how to

1431
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:52,960
do sign language and to paint a
picture.

1432
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:57,880
But will they by themselves in
nature, decide that this is

1433
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:00,600
something that needs to be done
to express their own

1434
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:01,800
individualism?
Right.

1435
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:04,840
That is the a huge difference,
right?

1436
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,600
Like where people are like, oh,
well, dogs have consciousness.

1437
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:13,800
It's like to a point they might,
you know, I can't say they

1438
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:18,840
don't, but to a it's to a point
it's not, you know, I I'm not

1439
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:23,000
certain that there's AI exist
and here I am and this is how I

1440
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:25,080
know type stuff.
You know it's yeah.

1441
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:28,000
You know, there's tears,
feelings, right?

1442
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:32,720
And to your point about chimps,
right, just to be the devil's

1443
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:36,440
advocate in this, you know, a
lot of people would look at that

1444
01:29:36,440 --> 01:29:40,880
same scenario and be like, well,
you know, maybe chimps do

1445
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:44,640
express themselves in artwork in
different ways.

1446
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:47,560
And they look at us and they're
like, look at this hairless

1447
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:49,040
monkey.
They're not even using their own

1448
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:53,720
shit, you know that.
Form of expression.

1449
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:56,360
Right.
And and they're looking at their

1450
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:59,520
chimp buddies and they're like,
everybody knows you use your own

1451
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:03,520
fecal matter.
You know it to, to, to throw at

1452
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:05,520
other chimps.
And that's art.

1453
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:06,400
That's.
Art.

1454
01:30:07,480 --> 01:30:10,200
You know.
Yeah, maybe.

1455
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:13,640
You know, and it, it could just
be a translational thing.

1456
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:16,000
Like we look at it and we're
just seeing monkeys flinging

1457
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:21,880
shit at each other and but to
them, I mean, that could be that

1458
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:26,840
could be the chimp version of
the greatest artist of all time.

1459
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:31,680
You never know.
Picasso, look at the way the

1460
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:35,120
shit landed.
Oh man, the nuances of the

1461
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:39,600
shapes of the shapes.
It's just, it's just crazy how

1462
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:41,000
good he is at this.
It's.

1463
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:42,880
Incredible.
Come up with this you.

1464
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:44,640
Know what?
I want to make babies with that

1465
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:49,240
guy, all right?
Gosh.

1466
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:53,440
Look at him peacocking over
there, just throwing his shit at

1467
01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:54,960
the wall.
Just magnificent.

1468
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:56,160
It's.
All.

1469
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:00,360
Right, we've been, we've been
talking for too long.

1470
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:03,240
No, we're just getting slide,
baby.

1471
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:10,760
All right, well, since your
words, not mine, that flew over

1472
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:12,280
your head, we'll just move on to
the next one.

1473
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:13,320
All right.
Sounds good.

1474
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:14,040
Thanks, Steve.
OK.

1475
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:22,680
All right, the deep dive.
Yeah, this one's we spend a lot

1476
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:25,040
of time looking up.
I'm going to say that a few

1477
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:27,000
times in this.
I didn't realize how many times

1478
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:30,880
I put this script.
Anyways, we spent a lot of time

1479
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:34,640
looking up UFOs, aerial
phenomena and other objects in

1480
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:36,760
the sky.
That's where most of our

1481
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:40,040
attention goes.
But what if we've been looking

1482
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:42,960
in the wrong place?
But if the real story is

1483
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:46,280
happening beneath the surface,
in the 80% of the Earth's oceans

1484
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:50,720
that remain unexplored, welcome
to the deep dive.

1485
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:55,440
Today, we're investigating US
OS, or unidentified submerged

1486
01:31:55,440 --> 01:31:58,400
objects, and the mounting
evidence that whatever

1487
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:02,120
intelligence is behind Uaps
isn't just operating in our

1488
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:06,840
skies, it's also in our waters.
And it's been there for a very

1489
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:09,960
long time.
Let's start with the most famous

1490
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:14,080
UAP case in modern history, the
2004 Nimitz encounter.

1491
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:17,360
Most people know the story.
Commander David Fraver and his

1492
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:21,560
squadron encountered the Tic Tac
object off the coast of San

1493
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:24,600
Diego.
The object demonstrated flight

1494
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:28,880
characteristics that defied
physics, such as instantaneous

1495
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:32,920
acceleration, hypersonic speeds
without Sonic booms, and no

1496
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:36,440
visual propulsion to conduct any
of these incredible movements.

1497
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:40,440
But here's the detail that
doesn't get enough attention

1498
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:45,080
before favors aerial encounter.
The USS Princeton's advanced

1499
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:48,520
radar systems detected something
under the water.

1500
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:53,760
Senior Chief Kevin Day, who was
operating the radar systems on

1501
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:58,200
the Princeton, has described
what they tracked for two weeks

1502
01:32:58,200 --> 01:32:59,840
leading up to the flavor
encounter.

1503
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:04,280
The ship's spy One radar was
picking up objects dropping from

1504
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:07,160
80,000 feet to sea level in less
than a second.

1505
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:11,120
These weren't ballistic.
They were controlled descents,

1506
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:15,480
and when they reached the ocean
surface, they didn't stop.

1507
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:18,560
The radar tracked them going
into the water without any

1508
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:22,440
change in momentum.
On November 14th, 2004, when

1509
01:33:22,440 --> 01:33:25,440
Fraver was vectored to
investigate a strange radar

1510
01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:28,640
signal, he was surprised to find
that there was something under

1511
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:32,320
the surface of the water.
Fraver himself reported seeing a

1512
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:35,080
disturbance just under the
surface in the form of a cross

1513
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:38,800
shaped area of churning
whitewater, as if something just

1514
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:41,800
below the surface was creating
the turbulence.

1515
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:44,640
Then the Tic Tac object appeared
above it.

1516
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:48,480
The implication is clear.
The object Fraver encountered

1517
01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:52,520
was either emerging from the
water or operating in

1518
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:54,960
conjunction with something that
was already there.

1519
01:33:55,480 --> 01:34:00,040
This wasn't just a UFO sighting.
It was a transmedium event, an

1520
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:03,360
object moving seamlessly between
water and air.

1521
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:06,680
And it's far from an isolated
incident.

1522
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:09,760
Let's talk about the why this
matters from a physics

1523
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:13,040
standpoint.
Because Transmedian travel isn't

1524
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:18,120
just unusual, it's something we
fundamentally and literally

1525
01:34:18,440 --> 01:34:22,480
don't know how to do.
When an object moving at high

1526
01:34:22,480 --> 01:34:25,520
speed enters water, several
things happen.

1527
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:28,040
First, there's a massive
resistance.

1528
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:32,400
Water is roughly 800 times
denser than air.

1529
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:35,720
The energy required to push
through that resistance

1530
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:38,200
increases exponentially with
speed.

1531
01:34:39,480 --> 01:34:44,400
Second, there's cavitation in
the form of the formation of

1532
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:47,480
vapor bubbles due to rapid
pressure changes.

1533
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:52,240
This creates shock waves and
enormous amounts of noise.

1534
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:55,160
Third, there's the impact
itself.

1535
01:34:55,520 --> 01:35:00,000
An object hitting water at high
speed creates spray, splash and

1536
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,880
surface disturbance that's
impossible to miss.

1537
01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:06,000
Our fastest torpedoes use a
technique called Super

1538
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,840
Cavitation to reduce water
resistance.

1539
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:16,680
Rushes VA 111 Schickvall Torpedo
creates a gas bubble around

1540
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:20,960
itself, allowing it to reach
speeds of about 230 mph

1541
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:24,680
underwater.
It's incredibly loud, leaves a

1542
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:27,600
massive trail, and requires
specialized launch systems.

1543
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:33,920
Compare that to what witnesses
consistently report objects

1544
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:37,840
entering or exiting water with
no splash, no spray, and

1545
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:41,480
typically no disturbance at all.
Some reports describe the water

1546
01:35:41,480 --> 01:35:43,960
seeming to part around the
object.

1547
01:35:44,480 --> 01:35:48,160
Others describe a smooth
transition, as if the object

1548
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:50,760
isn't experience resistance at
all.

1549
01:35:51,440 --> 01:35:55,680
This is just this isn't just
advanced technology.

1550
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:59,680
This is technology that operates
on principles we don't

1551
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:02,160
understand.
Either these objects are

1552
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:05,160
manipulating the water itself,
perhaps through some kind of

1553
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:09,000
field effect that alters its
physical properties, or they're

1554
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:12,480
moving through it in a way that
bypasses conventional physics

1555
01:36:12,480 --> 01:36:16,120
entirely.
The Nimitz incident occurred in

1556
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:22,520
2004, but USO reports go back
centuries and what's important?

1557
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:27,920
And that's important because it
establishes a pattern that

1558
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:30,520
predates modern military
technology.

1559
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:35,720
In the 11th century, witnesses
in Northumberland, England

1560
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:42,200
reported seeing a fiery object
that revolved, ascended on high,

1561
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:46,720
and the descended into the sea
repeatedly repeat reappearing

1562
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:49,880
off the coast.
This account is recorded in

1563
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:53,440
medieval chronicles.
Now, we can't verify what they

1564
01:36:53,440 --> 01:36:55,520
actually saw, but the
description matches the

1565
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:58,600
transmedian behavior reported in
modern cases.

1566
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:04,520
In 1825, naturalist Andrew
Bloxham was aboard the HMS

1567
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:09,120
Blonde when he witnessed a red
luminous orb rising from the

1568
01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:11,760
ocean.
He documented it in the ship's

1569
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:14,640
log.
Bloxham was a trained scientific

1570
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:17,600
observer.
His job was to record natural

1571
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:20,920
phenomena accurately.
Whatever he saw, he considered

1572
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:24,680
it significant enough to
officially document.

1573
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:29,280
Throughout the 19th and early
20th centuries, there are

1574
01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:32,760
scattered reports from ships
encountering strange lights

1575
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:36,760
underwater or objects that
surfaced and then submerge.

1576
01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:40,680
These reports were often
dismissed as sea monsters or

1577
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:44,640
bioluminescent marine life, and
sometimes even optical

1578
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:47,640
illusions.
But the pattern changes after

1579
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:52,640
World War 2, particularly once
submarine detection technology

1580
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:56,800
advanced sonar gave us the
ability to see underwater in

1581
01:37:56,800 --> 01:38:00,320
ways we never could before.
And that's when things get

1582
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:04,280
really interesting.
During the Cold War, both US and

1583
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:07,600
Soviet submarines reported
encounters with objects that

1584
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:09,920
didn't match any known
technology.

1585
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:13,160
These reports were often
classified, but some have

1586
01:38:13,160 --> 01:38:16,600
emerged over the years through
declassified documents and

1587
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:20,320
veteran testimony.
Soviet submarine commanders

1588
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:23,960
described objects that would
pace their vessels at depths no

1589
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:28,320
known submarine could reach.
There are reports of sonar

1590
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:32,080
contacts moving at speeds
exceeding 200 knots underwater,

1591
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:35,720
which is 4 times faster than the
fastest nuclear submarines.

1592
01:38:36,440 --> 01:38:41,680
In 1963, during naval exercises
off of Puerto Rico, multiple

1593
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:44,760
ships and aircraft detected an
object moving underwater at

1594
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:47,960
speeds estimated at over 150
knots.

1595
01:38:48,440 --> 01:38:52,200
The object was tracked for four
days across hundreds of miles.

1596
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:56,280
It would descend to depths of
27,000 feet, far beyond the

1597
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:59,200
crush depth of any known vessel,
and then returned to the

1598
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:01,320
surface.
At one point, it split into

1599
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:03,960
multiple contacts before all the
pieces rejoined.

1600
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:08,240
This incident was witnessed by
crews from multiple ships and

1601
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:11,080
recorded on sonar.
It's documented in official

1602
01:39:11,080 --> 01:39:15,160
logs, and to this day, there's
no conventional explanation for

1603
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:19,080
what those ships were tracking.
Fast forward to the 1990's.

1604
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:24,720
The Ocean Surveillance Network,
or SOSUS, also known as the

1605
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:29,080
Sound Surveillance System, was
designed during the Cold War to

1606
01:39:29,080 --> 01:39:32,360
track Soviet submarines.
The network used underwater

1607
01:39:32,360 --> 01:39:35,800
microphones to detect acoustic
signatures across vast areas of

1608
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:38,880
the ocean.
After the Cold War ended, some

1609
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:42,520
of this data was declassified
for scientific research.

1610
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:46,080
Marine biologists analyzing the
data discovered something

1611
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:49,520
unexpected, anomalous sounds
that didn't match any known

1612
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:53,720
marine life or human technology.
The most famous something we've

1613
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:56,960
covered years ago called the
bloop, which was reported in

1614
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:00,080
1997 by NOAA.
It was one of the loudest

1615
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:04,200
underwater sounds ever recorded,
and it its source has never been

1616
01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:07,760
identified.
NOAA eventually attributed to

1617
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:13,360
something called ice calving,
but that explanation has been

1618
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:16,000
heavily disputed.
There are other sounds in the

1619
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:18,640
record.
Julia, which is another topic

1620
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:21,720
we've covered, was recorded in
1999.

1621
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:24,640
The slow down signal was
recorded in 1997.

1622
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:27,800
Then there was also the train,
the whistle, and the upsweep.

1623
01:40:28,440 --> 01:40:31,320
And these are just the ones that
got public names.

1624
01:40:31,320 --> 01:40:35,720
All of them remain unidentified.
Now, we can't say these are US

1625
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:39,120
OS, but they established that
there are things happening in

1626
01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:42,200
the ocean that we don't
understand, and some of these

1627
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:45,080
acoustic events occurred in
areas where USO sightings have

1628
01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:48,160
been reported.
The ENIGMA database revealed

1629
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:52,200
something important.
USO sightings aren't random.

1630
01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:57,520
They cluster in specific
geographic areas. the US East

1631
01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:01,120
Coast shows significant
activity, particularly off the

1632
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:03,080
coast of Florida and the
Carolinas.

1633
01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:05,960
The Gulf of Mexico has
reoccurring reports.

1634
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:10,160
The Pacific Coast, especially
near California and the Pacific

1635
01:41:10,160 --> 01:41:13,920
Northwest are hotspots.
The waters around Puerto Rico

1636
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:17,080
and the Caribbean are known for
their concentrated sightings.

1637
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:20,440
Same area where I witnessed
something strange myself with my

1638
01:41:20,440 --> 01:41:22,720
own eyes during a deployment to
South America when I was in the

1639
01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:25,240
Navy.
These aren't necessary.

1640
01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:28,640
These aren't necessarily areas
with the most shipping traffic

1641
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:31,920
or the most observers.
They're areas where the

1642
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:33,600
sightings are consistent and
detailed.

1643
01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:38,000
And interestingly, many of these
locations correspond to areas

1644
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,600
with unusual underwater
geography.

1645
01:41:41,120 --> 01:41:45,400
Deep ocean trenches, underwater
canyons, volcanic activity,

1646
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:48,640
areas with strong magnetic
anomalies.

1647
01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:53,800
Is that correlation meaningful?
We don't know, but it's worth

1648
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:57,120
noting.
The Puerto Rico trench is

1649
01:41:57,200 --> 01:42:00,120
particularly interesting.
It's the deepest part of the

1650
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:02,640
Atlantic Ocean, over 27,000 feet
deep.

1651
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:06,440
And it's the local.
And it's the location of dozens

1652
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:10,880
of USO reports over decades.
Fishermen, Coast Guard

1653
01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:13,960
personnel, commercial pilots, in
many instances where multiple

1654
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:17,360
witnesses have reported seeing
objects emerge from the water in

1655
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:20,440
that area.
In 1963, when the US Navy

1656
01:42:20,440 --> 01:42:24,080
tracked that object during
exercises, it was operating near

1657
01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:27,360
the Puerto Rico trench.
The object descended to depths

1658
01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:31,120
that should have crushed any
known vessel, then returned to

1659
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:34,360
the surface.
What if that area isn't just

1660
01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:38,240
where sightings happen?
What if it's where something is

1661
01:42:38,240 --> 01:42:41,480
based?
Let's take some time to address

1662
01:42:41,480 --> 01:42:45,960
the obvious question here.
If these objects exist, where

1663
01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:49,640
are they coming from?
One theory is underwater bases.

1664
01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:53,680
Before you dismiss that as
science fiction, consider the

1665
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:57,080
practicality.
If you're operating on Earth but

1666
01:42:57,080 --> 01:43:01,560
you don't want to be seen, the
ocean floor is the perfect

1667
01:43:01,800 --> 01:43:04,800
location.
We've only explored 20% of the

1668
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:06,960
ocean floor.
The deep ocean is one of the

1669
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:10,320
least accessible environments on
Earth to us humans.

1670
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:15,440
It's dark, it's under crushing
pressure, and it's vast.

1671
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:19,200
You could hide entire cities
down there and we would never

1672
01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:22,560
know.
The deepest human occupied

1673
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:27,600
descent was in 1960, when the
priest reached the bottom of the

1674
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:31,840
Mariana Trench at a depth of
nearly 36,000 feet.

1675
01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:35,600
Since then, only a handful of
submersibles have gone that

1676
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:37,640
deep.
We've sent more people to the

1677
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:39,840
moon than to the deepest parts
of our own oceans.

1678
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:43,200
If you want to establish a
permanent presence on Earth

1679
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:46,280
without being detected, you
wouldn't do it in the sky, where

1680
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:49,040
radar can track you.
You wouldn't do it on land where

1681
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:53,120
satellites can see you.
You do it underwater in the deep

1682
01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:58,560
ocean where human access is
limited and surveillance is damn

1683
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:01,800
near impossible.
This could explain the

1684
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:05,160
transmedium behavior.
If these crafts are based

1685
01:44:05,160 --> 01:44:07,880
underwater, they need to move
between the ocean and the

1686
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:10,200
atmosphere.
Developing technology for

1687
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:12,360
seamless transition would be
essential.

1688
01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:16,320
It could also explain why so
many UAP sightings occur near

1689
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:19,240
water.
The Nimitz incident was off the

1690
01:44:19,240 --> 01:44:22,400
coast of California.
East Coast UAP encounters

1691
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:26,880
reported by the Navy by Navy.
East Coast UAP encounters

1692
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:29,600
reported by Navy pilots have
occurred hundreds of times.

1693
01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:32,600
The Phoenix Lights, one of the
most famous mass sightings,

1694
01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:35,200
occurred in Arizona, but
witnesses reported seeing the

1695
01:44:35,200 --> 01:44:38,240
objects heading southwest
towards the Gulf of California.

1696
01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:41,520
Here's what's becoming
increasingly clear.

1697
01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:44,720
We might not be dealing with two
separate phenomena.

1698
01:44:45,120 --> 01:44:48,080
Usos and Uaps might be the same
thing.

1699
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:52,240
The capabilities match.
Both demonstrate speeds and

1700
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:54,120
maneuvers that defy known
physics.

1701
01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:58,000
Both appear on military sensors
but often evade visual

1702
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:01,480
confirmation.
Both seem to exhibit awareness

1703
01:45:01,480 --> 01:45:04,960
of being observed, meaning they
react to pursuit or they

1704
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:09,320
disappear when approached.
And critically, many UAP

1705
01:45:09,320 --> 01:45:14,480
encounters involve water.
The Nimitz incident, The 2015

1706
01:45:14,480 --> 01:45:17,760
East Coast encounters where Navy
pilots reported objects emerging

1707
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:20,000
from the ocean.
Witnesses around the world

1708
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:22,960
describing objects diving into
lakes, rivers and oceans.

1709
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:27,400
If these are the same craft, it
changes how we should be

1710
01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:30,360
investigating them.
The focus has been almost

1711
01:45:30,360 --> 01:45:34,200
entirely on airspace by using
radar, tracking pilot testimony

1712
01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:36,400
and studying Air Force
encounters.

1713
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:40,360
But maybe the real action is
happening underwater, and we're

1714
01:45:40,360 --> 01:45:43,160
only seeing these objects when
they surface or when they

1715
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:46,880
transit, or when they're
transitioning to and from their

1716
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:49,920
bases.
This also raises questions about

1717
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:52,040
how long this has been going on
for.

1718
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:55,640
If these objects are based
underwater, they could have been

1719
01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:58,920
there for decades, centuries.
Hell, they could have been there

1720
01:45:58,920 --> 01:46:01,960
for even longer, and we would
have no way to know.

1721
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:05,480
I mean, the historical accounts
suggest this isn't a recent

1722
01:46:05,480 --> 01:46:08,920
phenomenon. the US Navy has been
tracking this for a long time.

1723
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:12,680
They have sonar data going back
decades, they have some marine

1724
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:16,000
encounter reports, they have
surface ship observations, and

1725
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:19,520
they have sensor networks that
monitor vast areas of ocean

1726
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:23,360
consistently.
The Office of Naval Intelligence

1727
01:46:23,400 --> 01:46:26,760
was specifically mentioned in
the congressional mandates for

1728
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:28,600
UAP disclosure.
Why?

1729
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:31,800
Because they're the ones who've
been collecting the data.

1730
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:36,840
When Congress required the
Pentagon to provide information

1731
01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:40,120
about UAP encounters, they
specifically mentioned that this

1732
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:42,720
should include events detected
by ships and submarines.

1733
01:46:44,240 --> 01:46:47,600
They know that aerial sightings
are only part of the picture.

1734
01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:50,480
The question is, what does that
data show?

1735
01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:55,280
How many encounters have there
been that we don't know about?

1736
01:46:57,040 --> 01:47:00,720
What have submarines detected at
depths that haven't been made

1737
01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:03,920
public?
Senior Chief Kevin Day, the

1738
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:09,800
radar operator from the Nimitz
incident, has said publicly that

1739
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:13,520
the objects they tracked were
doing things that, quote, defied

1740
01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:15,600
the laws of physics as we know
them.

1741
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:20,240
He's also said that the Navy's
responses to the incident

1742
01:47:20,960 --> 01:47:23,760
suggest this wasn't the first
time they'd encountered this

1743
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:27,480
phenomenon.
If the Navy has decades of USO

1744
01:47:27,480 --> 01:47:32,040
data, it would explain why the
UAP conversation shifted so

1745
01:47:32,040 --> 01:47:35,720
dramatically in recent years.
It's not just that pilots saw

1746
01:47:35,720 --> 01:47:40,400
something strange, it's that the
accumulated evidence from sonar,

1747
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:43,560
from radar, whatever other kind
of instruments they could

1748
01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:46,800
possibly use, has become
impossible to ignore.

1749
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:50,880
So where does that leave us?
We have historical reports going

1750
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:53,520
back centuries describing
objects entering and exiting

1751
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:55,640
water.
We have modern military

1752
01:47:55,640 --> 01:47:58,480
encounters with sensor data
confirming objects moving at

1753
01:47:58,480 --> 01:48:02,000
impossible speeds underwater.
We have geographic patterns

1754
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:05,640
suggesting specific areas of
concentrated activity yet again,

1755
01:48:05,640 --> 01:48:09,160
underwater.
We have the physics problem,

1756
01:48:09,160 --> 01:48:12,400
meaning these objects are doing
things we fundamentally don't

1757
01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:15,160
understand.
And we have transmedium.

1758
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:19,760
And we have the transmedium
connection, the same objects

1759
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:22,880
operating in air and water,
suggesting A unified phenomenon

1760
01:48:23,480 --> 01:48:25,120
rather than a separate
mysteries.

1761
01:48:25,960 --> 01:48:29,320
If you take this evidence
seriously, several conclusions

1762
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:35,040
become hard to avoid.
First, something is operating in

1763
01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:38,320
Earth's oceans that isn't
conventional technology.

1764
01:48:39,240 --> 01:48:42,720
The speeds, the depths, the lack
of visible propulsion, the trans

1765
01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:46,000
medium capability.
None of this fits known human

1766
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:50,600
technology from any country.
Second, this has been going on

1767
01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:54,480
for a long time.
This isn't a recent development.

1768
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:59,160
The historical record and the
consistency of modern reports

1769
01:48:59,160 --> 01:49:04,600
suggest an ongoing presence.
Third, the ocean might be the

1770
01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:07,080
key to understanding the broader
UAP phenomena.

1771
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:10,840
If there are bases or operations
happening underwater, then

1772
01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:13,120
aerial sightings might just be
incidental.

1773
01:49:14,160 --> 01:49:17,840
We're seeing these objects when
they're in transit that when

1774
01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:20,360
they're actually doing whatever
they're here to do.

1775
01:49:21,560 --> 01:49:27,680
And 4th, the US Navy and likely
other nations, naval forces, no

1776
01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:31,280
more than they're saying the
sensor networks, the classified

1777
01:49:31,280 --> 01:49:33,400
encounters, the decades of data
collection.

1778
01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:35,440
We aren't speculating at this
point.

1779
01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:38,040
We know they've been tracking
this.

1780
01:49:38,640 --> 01:49:41,040
The big question is what comes
next?

1781
01:49:41,800 --> 01:49:44,280
Do we get disclosure about
underwater encounters the same

1782
01:49:44,280 --> 01:49:45,920
way?
We're getting it very slowly

1783
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:50,440
about aerial phenomena.
Do congressional mandates expand

1784
01:49:50,440 --> 01:49:54,120
to include USO data?
Do we finally get answers about

1785
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:56,240
what's been operating in our
oceans?

1786
01:49:57,120 --> 01:50:00,120
Because here's the thing, like
I've said three times in this

1787
01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:03,800
episode already, we've been
looking up for answers, but

1788
01:50:03,800 --> 01:50:06,120
maybe we should have been
looking down all along.

1789
01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:10,040
The ocean covers 71% of the
Earth's surface.

1790
01:50:10,720 --> 01:50:12,720
It's the largest ecosystem on
the planet.

1791
01:50:13,400 --> 01:50:17,240
And we've barely scratched the
surface of understanding what's

1792
01:50:17,240 --> 01:50:20,120
down there.
If there's intelligence

1793
01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:25,680
operating on Earth that wants to
remain hidden, the ocean is

1794
01:50:25,680 --> 01:50:29,080
where they be.
And the evidence suggests that's

1795
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:32,640
exactly where they are.
Jake, final thoughts, man.

1796
01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:39,880
Or be alone in our oceans.
Do that write up is wild because

1797
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:43,160
look, I'm going to skip back to
like almost the beginning.

1798
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:46,520
I just want to read this out
real quick and just break this

1799
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:50,520
down.
In 1963, during naval exercises

1800
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:54,120
off Puerto Rico, multiple ships
and aircraft detected an object

1801
01:50:54,120 --> 01:50:57,240
moving underwater at speeds
estimated over 150 knots.

1802
01:50:57,680 --> 01:51:00,760
The object was tracked for four
days across hundreds of miles.

1803
01:51:00,760 --> 01:51:04,960
It would descend to depths of
27,000 feet, far beyond the

1804
01:51:04,960 --> 01:51:07,440
crushed depth of any known
vessel, and then returned to the

1805
01:51:07,440 --> 01:51:09,600
surface.
At one point is split into

1806
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:12,040
multiple contacts before all of
the pieces rejoined.

1807
01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:15,160
This incident is witnessed by
crews from multiple ships and

1808
01:51:15,160 --> 01:51:18,440
recorded on sonar.
It's documented in official logs

1809
01:51:18,440 --> 01:51:20,480
and to this day there's no
conventional explanation to what

1810
01:51:20,480 --> 01:51:23,160
these ships are tracking.
So what this means?

1811
01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:27,720
Because so my whole thing, my
whole shtick, right, is like the

1812
01:51:27,720 --> 01:51:30,320
whole demon thing or Angel
thing, right?

1813
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:34,360
They're non physical beings, but
they can be witnessed, right?

1814
01:51:34,360 --> 01:51:36,160
Because they're allowing
themselves to be witnessed.

1815
01:51:36,440 --> 01:51:41,240
But you can't track a non
physical spirit on a sonar.

1816
01:51:42,440 --> 01:51:47,400
It has to be a physical object
to have that bounce back to

1817
01:51:47,680 --> 01:51:51,640
from, you know, to the receiver,
right.

1818
01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:56,800
So this that's crazy to me.
So I have no idea.

1819
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:01,240
That's what I'm saying.
Like I, I know that the the

1820
01:52:01,240 --> 01:52:04,760
standard quip, right, is that,
oh, Jake's going to say they're

1821
01:52:04,760 --> 01:52:07,240
demons.
And yeah, I mean, I think that

1822
01:52:07,240 --> 01:52:12,520
there's a lot to that or at
least a non physical entity that

1823
01:52:12,520 --> 01:52:15,800
can be observed from time to
time, you know, with its

1824
01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:20,120
allowing us to do so because if
it's that advance, I mean, why

1825
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:24,000
wouldn't it be a instead of a,
are we happy to see it?

1826
01:52:24,280 --> 01:52:27,000
A No, it's allowing us to see
it, right.

1827
01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:31,080
But in this circumstance and in
many other circumstances, you

1828
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:37,160
can't get sonar data or radar
data from a non physical object

1829
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:42,160
because the waves, the the
signal would pass through it.

1830
01:52:42,160 --> 01:52:45,160
Hey, there'd be nothing to
bounce off of, to come back, to

1831
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:50,400
come to the receiver to tell you
there's an object so many feet

1832
01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:52,400
or miles or whatever in front of
you, right?

1833
01:52:52,680 --> 01:52:57,720
So I have no idea.
I'm trying.

1834
01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:01,360
I was trying to find where I I
had got.

1835
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:04,240
I must have left the book
upstairs.

1836
01:53:04,760 --> 01:53:09,880
It's there's two books that I
have that are really, really

1837
01:53:09,880 --> 01:53:14,600
good for USO stuff.
And there there's a couple

1838
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:20,040
others, like uninvited visitors
by Ivan Sanderson, I think

1839
01:53:20,040 --> 01:53:24,440
touches on US OS.
But the books I just I had to

1840
01:53:24,440 --> 01:53:27,840
bring them up here just so I can
at least give credit.

1841
01:53:28,680 --> 01:53:31,120
The the one book by Richard
Dolan.

1842
01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:37,360
It's called the history of US OS
very It's fucking great.

1843
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:40,160
It's such a good book.
It really is.

1844
01:53:40,440 --> 01:53:46,840
And then there's this kind of
it's a it's another really good

1845
01:53:46,840 --> 01:53:50,400
book, but it's by an author that
that really hasn't made a name

1846
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:53,240
yet.
It's called the books called

1847
01:53:53,240 --> 01:53:59,160
undersea UFO base, and the
author is Preston Dennett.

1848
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:06,160
This is also a very this book
specifically talks about the

1849
01:54:06,160 --> 01:54:12,040
Santa Catalina channel, which I
had made mention of their I just

1850
01:54:12,040 --> 01:54:14,480
didn't call it the Santa
Catalina channel.

1851
01:54:16,160 --> 01:54:22,200
But if you really want a really
good book on US OS, The History

1852
01:54:22,200 --> 01:54:27,480
of UFUS OS by Richard Dolan is,
at least from the books that

1853
01:54:27,480 --> 01:54:33,280
I've read, the standard for just
getting a really good idea of

1854
01:54:33,320 --> 01:54:36,400
this phenomenon.
And it kind of brings you right

1855
01:54:36,400 --> 01:54:39,080
up to modern history.
I want to say the book's not old

1856
01:54:39,120 --> 01:54:40,480
either.
I want to say it was released

1857
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:45,200
last year, if I remember
correctly, or at least it was

1858
01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:50,800
rewritten last year.
But the history goes way back

1859
01:54:52,440 --> 01:54:56,760
and it it's it's a multi Valium
set.

1860
01:54:57,880 --> 01:55:01,920
I want to say volume one goes
back to 1969 but it has mentions

1861
01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:06,800
of prior to that.
I should just bring it up on the

1862
01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:08,880
Amazon.
I have it googled right now.

1863
01:55:08,920 --> 01:55:12,560
OK, I have I've got a thought
process forming in my brain

1864
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:16,240
holes that need to get out
before I lose focus.

1865
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:21,880
OK, so the reason why and tell
me when I when I'm what I'm

1866
01:55:21,880 --> 01:55:23,560
saying doesn't make sense.
I'm just going to say it out

1867
01:55:23,560 --> 01:55:28,080
loud what I'm thinking.
So the reason why crushed depth

1868
01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:33,440
is so important is because in
order to have human occupants,

1869
01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:37,680
obviously you need to have space
for those humans to eat and take

1870
01:55:37,680 --> 01:55:42,200
dumps and sleep and breathe,
right?

1871
01:55:42,200 --> 01:55:45,800
There has to be air in there.
And So what that means is that

1872
01:55:45,800 --> 01:55:50,440
the force applied to the outside
of the vessel is too strong for

1873
01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:53,960
the force on the inside of the
vessel to compensate for.

1874
01:55:53,960 --> 01:55:56,840
And then that's when you get, I
think it was the Ocean Gate

1875
01:55:56,840 --> 01:56:01,480
submarine that tried to go down
to the Titanic and just was and

1876
01:56:01,480 --> 01:56:03,520
just imploded and eviscerated
itself, right?

1877
01:56:03,720 --> 01:56:08,400
Because the crushed depth
outside was too strong for the

1878
01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:12,200
pressure inside it.
Couldn't you know it?

1879
01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:15,400
No doubt a carbon fiber hole
would've been totally fine if

1880
01:56:15,400 --> 01:56:17,640
you could equalize the pressure,
but you just can't, right?

1881
01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:19,680
At certain depth, right, with
certain materials.

1882
01:56:19,680 --> 01:56:23,440
So that's why it's important.
But if you had a physical

1883
01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:29,120
object, say a rock that is
physical, I mean not physical,

1884
01:56:29,120 --> 01:56:33,520
sorry, you had a a solid object
like a rock, you could drop that

1885
01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:36,200
into the bottom of the Marianas
Trench and it wouldn't like blow

1886
01:56:36,200 --> 01:56:40,600
open to dust, right, Because
there is no where for that

1887
01:56:40,600 --> 01:56:45,720
crushing pressure to go.
It's not going to cavitate that

1888
01:56:45,880 --> 01:56:51,520
any voids inside of that stone.
So if you had a vehicle that was

1889
01:56:51,960 --> 01:56:56,880
nearly an entire computer with
an outer shell that doesn't have

1890
01:56:56,880 --> 01:57:02,440
very much air space inside of it
or none at all like a drone that

1891
01:57:02,440 --> 01:57:05,640
just has it has no space inside
of there because you don't need

1892
01:57:05,640 --> 01:57:07,240
air, you don't need anything
like that.

1893
01:57:07,520 --> 01:57:10,480
Say it has some sort of a liquid
cooling mechanism or whatever it

1894
01:57:10,480 --> 01:57:14,960
is, then yes, I believe you
could take that thing down to

1895
01:57:15,280 --> 01:57:19,280
20,000, you know, 30,000 feet
and then straight back up and

1896
01:57:19,280 --> 01:57:23,280
all that stuff.
Especially as Jeff has shown us

1897
01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:26,760
a couple of years ago now that
the government, the US

1898
01:57:26,760 --> 01:57:31,200
government has patents for anti
gravity propulsion systems,

1899
01:57:31,400 --> 01:57:35,040
which why would you need a
patent for something that's not

1900
01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:39,920
according to physics, isn't, you
know, able to be created.

1901
01:57:40,200 --> 01:57:44,400
But what if now I can't account
for something that happened 100

1902
01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:48,520
years ago or, you know, in the
11th century, right?

1903
01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:51,760
That's that's something, maybe
that's something different

1904
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:55,080
entirely, but this is our
attempt in the modern age to

1905
01:57:55,080 --> 01:57:57,800
replicate that.
Maybe there's a knowledge of

1906
01:57:58,320 --> 01:58:01,360
beings or something like that,
which we would like to replicate

1907
01:58:01,360 --> 01:58:04,560
that technology as best as we
could say like, yeah, no one's

1908
01:58:04,560 --> 01:58:07,480
ever going to be Superman,
obviously.

1909
01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:11,760
But could we get to a
technological advancement to the

1910
01:58:11,760 --> 01:58:15,880
point where we could put on a
helmet that shoots laser beams

1911
01:58:15,880 --> 01:58:17,760
where it looks like it's
shooting them out of our eyes,

1912
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:20,120
right?
Or we had can have X-ray vision

1913
01:58:20,120 --> 01:58:23,640
through a, a type of nods sort
of a thing that we wear on a

1914
01:58:23,640 --> 01:58:26,800
helmet attachment, right?
So that we could become like

1915
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:29,760
superhumans, but we're never
going to become Superman, right?

1916
01:58:31,640 --> 01:58:36,080
So ancient humans see that and
they're like, I want to get to

1917
01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:40,360
where that is.
But we can't non physically

1918
01:58:40,360 --> 01:58:43,560
transmute ourselves into or we
can't transmute ourselves into

1919
01:58:43,560 --> 01:58:46,520
non physical beings.
So what can we do in advances of

1920
01:58:46,520 --> 01:58:50,480
technology so that we could do,
you know, we could shoot down to

1921
01:58:50,480 --> 01:58:52,680
the bottom of the Berry on a
trench and then all the way back

1922
01:58:52,680 --> 01:58:55,520
up with a a vehicle of some
type.

1923
01:58:55,960 --> 01:58:58,200
Well, obviously you can't do
that with a person because you'd

1924
01:58:58,200 --> 01:59:00,880
explode, right?
You get the bends and then you

1925
01:59:00,880 --> 01:59:02,960
die, right?
And so you can't, you just

1926
01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:05,680
can't, right?
But if there is a physical

1927
01:59:05,680 --> 01:59:11,000
object, a solid object, say it's
a computer that has just a round

1928
01:59:11,000 --> 01:59:15,160
shell around it.
Now that doesn't get into how

1929
01:59:15,160 --> 01:59:17,960
you can get through the surface
tension of water without making

1930
01:59:17,960 --> 01:59:19,920
a ripple.
That's magic.

1931
01:59:20,160 --> 01:59:26,040
But you know, but that it is
maybe phasing in and out of

1932
01:59:26,040 --> 01:59:28,760
different planes.
So when it comes to resistance

1933
01:59:28,760 --> 01:59:33,320
of say, surface tension of
water, it just creates a not a

1934
01:59:33,320 --> 01:59:37,280
portal, but it has some sort of
a phasing technology that just

1935
01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:39,680
allows its pass through.
And then once you're in the

1936
01:59:39,680 --> 01:59:41,120
water, you don't really have to
worry.

1937
01:59:41,320 --> 01:59:42,920
Once you're out of the water,
you don't have to worry.

1938
01:59:42,920 --> 01:59:45,640
It's just breaking that barrier,
right?

1939
01:59:46,200 --> 01:59:50,640
So like, could we get to this
point where we found out that

1940
01:59:51,200 --> 01:59:57,000
the modern things that we're
seeing are humans best ability

1941
01:59:57,000 --> 02:00:01,400
to replicate something that was
observed in the past or maybe is

1942
02:00:01,400 --> 02:00:05,400
still observed, or maybe we're
getting information from those

1943
02:00:05,960 --> 02:00:10,160
of whatever they are of how to
do that with the limitations we

1944
02:00:10,160 --> 02:00:13,000
have according to physics.
You didn't stop me.

1945
02:00:13,000 --> 02:00:16,120
So there wasn't a point where it
started to make no sense.

1946
02:00:18,640 --> 02:00:22,880
I'm not going to bite off that
whole thing, but we'll we'll

1947
02:00:22,880 --> 02:00:26,760
talk about the replication
vehicle.

1948
02:00:27,000 --> 02:00:30,320
I guess we'll call it right
drone, because you're basically

1949
02:00:30,320 --> 02:00:34,640
saying that this would just be a
solid computer right sure it

1950
02:00:34,640 --> 02:00:38,680
would it would have to the
material would have to be so

1951
02:00:38,680 --> 02:00:43,000
dense because right like if I
took this laptop and threw it in

1952
02:00:43,000 --> 02:00:46,400
the water and it went down the
Mariana Trench, if we were ever

1953
02:00:46,480 --> 02:00:49,320
ever able to recover it, I mean
it would be pretty much

1954
02:00:49,320 --> 02:00:51,680
unrecognizable because it would
be crushed.

1955
02:00:52,600 --> 02:00:54,960
I don't.
Know about that because there's

1956
02:00:55,800 --> 02:00:58,680
where there was furniture in the
Titanic.

1957
02:00:59,520 --> 02:01:01,520
Yeah, that's not in the
Mariana's trash, buddy.

1958
02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:04,360
No, no.
But, you know, just like a

1959
02:01:04,360 --> 02:01:07,680
submarine can get completely
destroyed at that depth, but you

1960
02:01:07,680 --> 02:01:12,800
know, a grand piano can't.
OK, yes.

1961
02:01:13,280 --> 02:01:15,440
Maybe that's a bad example
because there's no air.

1962
02:01:15,880 --> 02:01:18,400
You know.
Voids of air and wood and wood

1963
02:01:18,400 --> 02:01:19,680
with legs and things like that.
Right.

1964
02:01:19,680 --> 02:01:23,600
It would have, yeah.
I'd have to go down to how dense

1965
02:01:23,960 --> 02:01:26,000
material is and all components
of it.

1966
02:01:27,840 --> 02:01:29,560
I think we're going down the
wrong rabbit hole here.

1967
02:01:32,160 --> 02:01:35,320
I just, I disagree.
Let's go with that.

1968
02:01:37,400 --> 02:01:41,680
I really like how Puthoff's
theory of gravitational

1969
02:01:41,680 --> 02:01:46,560
manipulation.
I've talked about this on the

1970
02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:50,240
episode where where I talked
about the external lights of, of

1971
02:01:50,240 --> 02:01:56,760
UFOs and how, how put how put
off theorized that these are

1972
02:01:56,760 --> 02:02:01,240
gravitational manipulation
components, not necessarily

1973
02:02:01,240 --> 02:02:03,440
lights.
It's just perceived as lights to

1974
02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:09,080
buy us because it's manipulating
the electromagnetic spectrum.

1975
02:02:10,200 --> 02:02:13,840
And what we're, what we're
seeing is a bright whitish blue

1976
02:02:13,840 --> 02:02:16,800
light coming off of these these
lights.

1977
02:02:16,800 --> 02:02:20,760
And that is the, the, the non
ionizing side of the

1978
02:02:20,760 --> 02:02:24,680
electromagnetic spectrum, which
can also cause radiation

1979
02:02:24,840 --> 02:02:29,200
symptoms in human flesh or
really any biological flesh at

1980
02:02:29,200 --> 02:02:32,560
all.
And that's why we get the like

1981
02:02:32,560 --> 02:02:36,440
the rendle sham incident where
the the people came across the

1982
02:02:36,480 --> 02:02:41,360
the craft in the in the woods of
Rendle Sham and started

1983
02:02:41,360 --> 02:02:43,680
suffering radiation poisoning.
This is.

1984
02:02:43,920 --> 02:02:45,520
Well, that happened in Elmwood
too, didn't.

1985
02:02:45,560 --> 02:02:50,600
It that was just going to say
Officer Wheeler, George Wheeler

1986
02:02:51,240 --> 02:02:54,760
ended up passing away a a less
than a year after his encounter

1987
02:02:54,760 --> 02:02:59,840
with a bright blue light.
And who knows what the process

1988
02:02:59,840 --> 02:03:04,000
of, you know, whatever he
observed that that night, what

1989
02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:06,320
the process that it was
currently going through

1990
02:03:07,520 --> 02:03:09,960
activating one of these
gravitational manipulation

1991
02:03:09,960 --> 02:03:15,520
devices and the whole concept
behind Puthoff's theory.

1992
02:03:15,840 --> 02:03:20,320
And by the way, if anybody wants
a a decent breakdown of it now,

1993
02:03:20,320 --> 02:03:23,920
he doesn't do the best job at
breaking down how Puthoff's

1994
02:03:23,920 --> 02:03:26,840
theory.
But yet again, Louise Elizondo's

1995
02:03:26,840 --> 02:03:28,600
book imminent.
It does touch on it.

1996
02:03:28,760 --> 02:03:31,200
Does it do a great job?
No, it doesn't.

1997
02:03:31,280 --> 02:03:36,120
I think I do a better job in in
my episode, but because I

1998
02:03:36,120 --> 02:03:40,040
actually get into like the
Doppler effect and sure, you

1999
02:03:40,040 --> 02:03:44,200
know, blue shift, red shift and
and how that affects biologics

2000
02:03:44,200 --> 02:03:49,880
and stuff.
But I don't think that this I

2001
02:03:49,880 --> 02:03:52,520
don't even think we could.
We can't make a drone even that

2002
02:03:52,520 --> 02:03:58,440
that would that would basically
work on this because it our work

2003
02:03:58,440 --> 02:04:01,840
in this theory of the way that
it it moves.

2004
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:08,000
And I know that you kind of you
talked about the entering the

2005
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:12,200
water, the multi domain travel
as kind of magic, right?

2006
02:04:13,520 --> 02:04:18,920
Not if, I mean, if, if we can
ever actually create a

2007
02:04:18,920 --> 02:04:21,960
gravitational manipulation
device that creates A

2008
02:04:21,960 --> 02:04:26,720
gravitational manipulated bubble
around an object, then it's not,

2009
02:04:27,040 --> 02:04:33,840
it's very probably right.
And it it's not saying that we

2010
02:04:34,520 --> 02:04:39,360
can't ever do it if we ever
understand the true nature of of

2011
02:04:39,360 --> 02:04:41,920
gravity.
As soon as we understand it,

2012
02:04:41,920 --> 02:04:44,440
creating something to manipulate
it becomes easier.

2013
02:04:47,160 --> 02:04:48,800
What's?
This thing, it hasn't already

2014
02:04:48,800 --> 02:04:52,880
been understood and realized,
and then they don't tell the

2015
02:04:52,880 --> 02:04:56,160
masses because as far as we
know, yeah, if I drop my vape,

2016
02:04:56,160 --> 02:04:59,440
it's going to hit the table and
what else do I need to know?

2017
02:04:59,960 --> 02:05:00,960
You're right.
You're right.

2018
02:05:01,040 --> 02:05:06,080
OK, it could it.
That could be in a sense, plus

2019
02:05:06,080 --> 02:05:09,360
fucking around with, with some
advanced technology and science

2020
02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:13,640
that has the capabilities of
manipulating gravitational

2021
02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:17,760
fields.
So I stand corrected.

2022
02:05:17,760 --> 02:05:19,400
You're, you're, you're not
wrong, actually.

2023
02:05:21,360 --> 02:05:24,680
And in that case, it wouldn't
have to be dense.

2024
02:05:25,840 --> 02:05:28,040
You can literally put a human
being inside of there and there

2025
02:05:28,040 --> 02:05:30,280
would be no G forces applied to
the body.

2026
02:05:33,160 --> 02:05:37,400
Now if one of those lights went
out when they're travelling,

2027
02:05:37,880 --> 02:05:45,360
they're instantly dead.
But that would be, I mean, if

2028
02:05:45,360 --> 02:05:47,400
you got to a point where you're
doing that, I mean, it would be

2029
02:05:47,400 --> 02:05:51,600
such a, it's such a unlikely
probability that it, that the

2030
02:05:51,600 --> 02:05:56,000
system fails on you, right?
It's like, hey, just make sure,

2031
02:05:56,360 --> 02:06:01,280
make sure your battery cells
don't ever dip below 80%.

2032
02:06:01,280 --> 02:06:04,840
You always keep them topped off.
Because if it does, there's a

2033
02:06:04,840 --> 02:06:09,400
possibility that you might get
turned into basically nothing

2034
02:06:09,400 --> 02:06:13,440
but carbon atoms in a matter of
instantly.

2035
02:06:13,440 --> 02:06:17,000
It's like, oh, OK, yeah, I'll
try to keep that in mind.

2036
02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:22,640
I'll write myself a sticky note.
OK, just make sure because the

2037
02:06:22,640 --> 02:06:25,880
the person that you are will be
the person that you're not ever

2038
02:06:25,880 --> 02:06:27,320
going to be again.
You're right.

2039
02:06:29,680 --> 02:06:32,320
Try to keep that in mind.
It's like, Oh yeah, thanks for

2040
02:06:32,320 --> 02:06:35,920
the tip.
I don't know, man.

2041
02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:40,360
I, I, I think it was Admiral
Gallaudet.

2042
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:45,720
I think it is, is his name who's
been coming forward on a lot of

2043
02:06:45,720 --> 02:06:51,600
the USO stuff.
He's the submarine Admiral that

2044
02:06:52,800 --> 02:06:55,520
that went to a lot of those
congressional hearings and he's

2045
02:06:55,520 --> 02:07:01,160
been talking about US OS.
It was when he took the stand, I

2046
02:07:01,240 --> 02:07:08,080
believe it was with Grush that I
really started thinking, OK,

2047
02:07:08,080 --> 02:07:15,000
well, maybe US OS are a thing
and we're, we have more on this

2048
02:07:15,000 --> 02:07:19,520
than than what we're saying.
And not necessarily that it's a

2049
02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:21,280
thing.
I've always kind of thought that

2050
02:07:21,960 --> 02:07:27,400
there is truth to the USO
phenomenon, but the fact that we

2051
02:07:27,400 --> 02:07:33,600
have data on it, I always
thought was was possible.

2052
02:07:34,040 --> 02:07:38,040
But now I am very much on the
side of it being probable that

2053
02:07:38,040 --> 02:07:41,840
we have more information than
what is said.

2054
02:07:42,160 --> 02:07:47,560
There was just after I wrote
this up, there was I got to find

2055
02:07:47,560 --> 02:07:52,840
it real quick.
There was news broken by

2056
02:07:52,840 --> 02:07:55,960
somebody in Congress.
I'm going to say senator or

2057
02:07:56,120 --> 02:07:57,400
congressman.
Hold on.

2058
02:07:59,040 --> 02:08:05,200
Burchett, Tim.
Representative Tim Burchett from

2059
02:08:05,200 --> 02:08:10,880
Tennessee During a November
House Oversight Committee

2060
02:08:10,880 --> 02:08:14,520
hearing, UAP witness testimony
and questioning highlighted

2061
02:08:14,520 --> 02:08:17,680
accounts of UAP emerging.
This is too much.

2062
02:08:18,840 --> 02:08:22,720
OK, This is from January 23rd,
2025.

2063
02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:25,400
This is from the hell.
You know, I'll just share the

2064
02:08:25,400 --> 02:08:27,000
website.
Share the website.

2065
02:08:27,080 --> 02:08:29,520
You.
Share the website bro.

2066
02:08:29,720 --> 02:08:31,600
Dude, I want to see the website
bro.

2067
02:08:31,600 --> 02:08:33,240
Share it.
Oh, I see you.

2068
02:08:33,240 --> 02:08:36,600
Oh, there you go.
Hey look, rats in bleach.

2069
02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:43,920
This right here, Burchett says.
5 second trick eliminates mites

2070
02:08:43,920 --> 02:08:45,560
in your garage, but pour bleach
on them.

2071
02:08:45,840 --> 02:08:52,920
Thanks Ads.
Anyways, Burchett says he

2072
02:08:52,920 --> 02:08:57,160
believes aliens have underwater
bases on Earth is from January

2073
02:08:57,160 --> 02:08:59,560
23rd.
So I discovered this after I had

2074
02:08:59,560 --> 02:09:02,800
already written this up.
I probably would have put this

2075
02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:10,360
into the write up if I had it
before writing it up, but I just

2076
02:09:10,360 --> 02:09:12,920
right here quoted from Tim
Burchett, right?

2077
02:09:12,960 --> 02:09:15,680
I just think traveling light
years, I think it happens.

2078
02:09:16,040 --> 02:09:18,000
I think it's possible in the
vastness of God's great

2079
02:09:18,000 --> 02:09:19,840
universe.
I mean, light years, you know,

2080
02:09:19,920 --> 02:09:23,440
the light from those stars that
we see at night left there

2081
02:09:23,440 --> 02:09:27,560
before the time of Christ,
Burchett said on former Rep Matt

2082
02:09:27,560 --> 02:09:32,480
Gaetz, one American news show in
a clip highlighted by Mediate

2083
02:09:34,760 --> 02:09:37,440
Tim Burchett.
I'm just reading randomly here

2084
02:09:37,440 --> 02:09:41,640
now.
I think there's a cover up when

2085
02:09:41,640 --> 02:09:43,840
they tell me something's moving
at hundreds of miles an hour

2086
02:09:43,840 --> 02:09:45,840
underwater.
And our capabilities and these

2087
02:09:45,840 --> 02:09:49,720
things, this one was it was
large as a football field

2088
02:09:49,720 --> 02:09:52,160
underwater.
And this was a documented case.

2089
02:09:52,160 --> 02:09:54,680
And I have an Admiral telling me
this stuff.

2090
02:09:57,040 --> 02:10:02,160
Yeah, in a nutshell,
Representative Tim Burchett

2091
02:10:02,160 --> 02:10:05,960
leaves that there are alien
bases in in said ocean.

2092
02:10:06,600 --> 02:10:10,280
And of course, that was that's
just one source.

2093
02:10:11,240 --> 02:10:14,560
I can't remember this source.
I read a couple articles on it

2094
02:10:14,880 --> 02:10:16,960
and there was some better quotes
and some of those other

2095
02:10:16,960 --> 02:10:19,840
articles.
I just don't have the the link

2096
02:10:19,840 --> 02:10:23,320
for it but.
Anyways, people say all kinds of

2097
02:10:23,320 --> 02:10:25,240
stuff.
Who's that general that that was

2098
02:10:25,240 --> 02:10:28,760
worried that so many soldiers
deploying to an island was going

2099
02:10:28,760 --> 02:10:30,040
to cause the island to flip
over?

2100
02:10:30,680 --> 02:10:34,880
What?
No idea what you're talking

2101
02:10:34,880 --> 02:10:36,200
about?
No idea.

2102
02:10:36,720 --> 02:10:39,040
I'll look it up.
You're going to be like, your

2103
02:10:39,200 --> 02:10:43,480
mind is going to be blown.
That's that's hilarious,

2104
02:10:43,480 --> 02:10:45,120
actually.
Oh, no, no, it was.

2105
02:10:45,120 --> 02:10:47,720
It was a representative asking a
general.

2106
02:10:48,440 --> 02:10:51,720
Yeah, Guam.
In 2010, Democrat Congressman

2107
02:10:51,720 --> 02:10:55,120
Hank Johnson of Georgia famously
asked the US Admiral if the

2108
02:10:55,120 --> 02:10:58,400
island of Guam would tip over
and capsize due to

2109
02:10:58,400 --> 02:11:01,360
overpopulation from military
from a military buildup.

2110
02:11:02,960 --> 02:11:05,760
The comment was made during a
hearing, and though a

2111
02:11:05,760 --> 02:11:08,800
spokesperson later claimed it
was a joke or a metaphor for

2112
02:11:08,800 --> 02:11:10,240
infrastructure.
Strange.

2113
02:11:10,240 --> 02:11:13,400
It was infrastructure strain.
It was widely reported as

2114
02:11:13,400 --> 02:11:15,720
literal.
A literal bizarre question due

2115
02:11:15,720 --> 02:11:17,960
to that guy was serious.
He literally asked him.

2116
02:11:17,960 --> 02:11:21,280
He's like, so you don't think
that putting so many military

2117
02:11:21,280 --> 02:11:24,360
members on one side of the
island could cause it?

2118
02:11:25,560 --> 02:11:31,640
And then he's just like, excuse
me, just 8000 Marines on Guam on

2119
02:11:31,640 --> 02:11:34,520
one side would cause the island
to flip over like a plate in the

2120
02:11:34,520 --> 02:11:35,960
water because that's how islands
work.

2121
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:39,000
They're floating.
So I'm in representatives, all

2122
02:11:39,000 --> 02:11:40,520
kinds of stuff, man, you know,
it's.

2123
02:11:40,520 --> 02:11:42,880
Like see this.
Oh yeah.

2124
02:11:43,040 --> 02:11:47,360
If it's, if it's true, if, if
that's true and that person is

2125
02:11:47,360 --> 02:11:52,960
in any congressional chambers,
we need to not do that.

2126
02:11:55,080 --> 02:11:57,480
I'll, I'll send you the the
YouTube link and you're gonna

2127
02:11:57,480 --> 02:12:01,360
watch it and be blown away.
Oh, I sent those books to you in

2128
02:12:01,360 --> 02:12:03,480
your in Facebook too.
I've seen them.

2129
02:12:03,960 --> 02:12:07,560
Yeah.
OK, All right, let's you ready

2130
02:12:07,560 --> 02:12:11,720
to do the outro?
Yeah, you are.

2131
02:12:11,800 --> 02:12:12,280
Look at.
You.

2132
02:12:12,360 --> 02:12:14,880
Yeah, yeah, sure.
So that's it for.

2133
02:12:14,880 --> 02:12:17,840
This we're an hour past our Max
limit, so yeah, let's do it.

2134
02:12:18,360 --> 02:12:19,920
We are.
That sucks.

2135
02:12:19,920 --> 02:12:23,120
All right.
I could just cut out to the the

2136
02:12:23,120 --> 02:12:25,640
stories.
No, we had good conversations.

2137
02:12:25,640 --> 02:12:29,400
Just have either a long episode
or, or release half of it today

2138
02:12:29,400 --> 02:12:32,240
and or like you know, on Monday
and half it on Tuesday or

2139
02:12:32,240 --> 02:12:34,920
whatever.
Now we'll just release have one.

2140
02:12:36,080 --> 02:12:40,160
All right, so that's it for this
week's Fringe News Briefing.

2141
02:12:40,280 --> 02:12:41,920
We covered a lot of ground
today.

2142
02:12:42,360 --> 02:12:45,880
A study showing nearly 1000
cases where Bigfoot and UFO

2143
02:12:45,880 --> 02:12:48,720
sightings happened in the same
place within 72 hours.

2144
02:12:49,280 --> 02:12:52,480
Skinwalker Ranch documenting
invisible phenomena, mystery,

2145
02:12:52,840 --> 02:12:55,720
mysterious signals and
underground anomalies.

2146
02:12:56,120 --> 02:13:00,160
A former Bank of England analyst
warning that alien disclosure

2147
02:13:00,160 --> 02:13:02,040
could trigger financial
collapse.

2148
02:13:02,480 --> 02:13:05,240
And new research suggestion
consciousness itself might be

2149
02:13:05,240 --> 02:13:08,720
the brain resonating within the
quantum vacuum.

2150
02:13:09,320 --> 02:13:12,400
Then we went deep on US OS the
objects moving through our

2151
02:13:12,400 --> 02:13:15,560
oceans at a possible speeds,
transitioning between water and

2152
02:13:15,560 --> 02:13:18,520
air like it's nothing.
If the Navy has been tracking

2153
02:13:18,520 --> 02:13:21,600
this for decades, if there are
geographic patterns suggesting

2154
02:13:21,600 --> 02:13:25,040
underwater bases, if these are
the same craft we're seeing in

2155
02:13:25,040 --> 02:13:28,160
our skies and maybe we've been
looking in the wrong direction

2156
02:13:28,160 --> 02:13:30,800
this whole time.
The ocean covers most of our

2157
02:13:30,800 --> 02:13:33,040
planet and we've barely explored
it.

2158
02:13:33,560 --> 02:13:36,400
If there's an intelligence
operating here that wants to

2159
02:13:36,400 --> 02:13:39,000
stay hidden, that's exactly
where they'd be.

2160
02:13:39,600 --> 02:13:42,640
So what do you think?
Are we alone in our own oceans?

2161
02:13:43,320 --> 02:13:45,920
Leave a comment.
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2162
02:13:45,920 --> 02:13:48,360
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2163
02:13:48,800 --> 02:13:51,640
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2165
02:13:53,480 --> 02:13:56,840
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2166
02:13:56,840 --> 02:13:59,600
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Next week, another briefing.

2167
02:13:59,640 --> 02:14:01,680
Four more stories from the
fringes.

2168
02:14:01,920 --> 02:14:04,880
Another deep dive into something
the mainstream won't touch.

2169
02:14:05,520 --> 02:14:08,600
Until then, keep questioning,
keep investigating, and

2170
02:14:08,600 --> 02:14:11,320
remember, the most important
mysteries aren't the ones we've

2171
02:14:11,320 --> 02:14:14,320
solved.
They're the ones we're brave

2172
02:14:14,320 --> 02:14:17,200
enough to ask about.
This has been Infinite Rabbit

2173
02:14:17,200 --> 02:14:18,880
Hole.
I'm Jeremy Socia with Jacob

2174
02:14:18,880 --> 02:14:21,320
Owens.
Until next time, travelers,

2175
02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:24,000
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2176
02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:26,040
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2177
02:14:26,680 --> 02:14:32,800
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2178
02:14:32,800 --> 02:14:34,960
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2179
02:14:35,400 --> 02:14:37,320
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02:14:40,560 --> 02:14:44,000
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2183
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