IRH 264: Trump Orders UFO Declassification After Obama Disclosure

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February 20th, 2026 President
Donald Trump posts a statement

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on True Social that sends shock
waves through the UFO community

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and mainstream media alike.
Based on the tremendous interest

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shown, I will be directing the
Secretary of War and other

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relevant departments and
agencies to begin the process of

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identifying and releasing
government files related to

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alien and extraterrestrial life,
unidentified aerial phenomena,

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and unidentified flying objects,
any and all other information

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connected to these highly
complex but extremely

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interesting and important
matters.

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A sitting President of the
United States just ordered the

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declassification of government
files on aliens and UFOs.

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This isn't a campaign promise.
This isn't speculation.

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This is happening right now.
But this didn't come out of

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nowhere.
Five days ago, on February 15th,

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former President Barack Obama
appeared on No Lie with Brian

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Tyler Cohen, a podcast hosted by
political commentator Brian

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Tyler Cohen.
During a rapid fire question

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segment, Cohen asked about
aliens.

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Obama's answer was 2 words.
They're real.

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The clip went viral.
Millions of views, mainstream

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media coverage and less than 24
hours later, Obama posted a

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clarification on Instagram,
walking back the implication but

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not the statement itself.
Three days after that, February

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18th, Laura Trump, the
president's daughter-in-law

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appeared on New York Post Pod
Force One.

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She revealed that President
Trump has a pre written speech

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about extraterrestrial life that
he's holding for the quote UN

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quote right time.
And then on February 20th, Trump

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made his move.
He didn't just acknowledge the

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topic.
He ordered declassification on

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Air Force One earlier in the
day.

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He accused Obama of disclosing,
quote, UN quote, classified

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information by saying aliens are
real.

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Quote, I may get him out of
trouble by declassifying, Trump

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told reporters.
Hours later, he issued the

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directive.
This is the disclosure movement

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we've been waiting for.
Five days, three major

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statements, 2 presents, and now
a declassification word that

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could change everything.
Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit

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Hole.
Welcome back to the Infinite

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Rabbit hole.
I'm Jeremy Sosha and with me is

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my Co host Jake and the official
return of our old Co host and

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buddy CJ.
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Unexplained.
Every week we bring you the most

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Tonight we have a UFO heavy
lineup, 2 stories in our

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briefing section, and then a
deep dive into something that

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literally happened within the
last 24 hours of this recording.

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Something has the potential to
fundamentally change the

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disclosure conversation.
Today's briefing covers 2

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stories from the past 10 days.
First, on February 10th, El

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Paso, TX experienced something
unprecedented.

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Cell phone disruptions across
the city, a UFO sighting, and

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then Texas officials tried to
close the El Paso International

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Airport for what appears to be
UAP related reasons.

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The closure lasted exactly 1
hour before someone reversed the

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order. 2nd on the lineup.
Police chiefs from America's

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largest cities have published
the first official UAP handbook

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for law enforcement.
It's an 11 page guide that warns

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officers that unidentified
aerial phenomena, quote, pose

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significant safety risks to law
enforcement air support units.

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This is the major cities chiefs
association telling police

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departments across the country
to take this threat seriously.

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Then we're going deep on what
just happened, President Trump's

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declassification order, the
timeline that led to it, Obama's

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quote, their real statement,
Laura Trump's revelation about

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the prepared speech and what
this actually means for

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disclosure.
Not speculation, not theory, but

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what the president just ordered
to happen.

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This is history unfolding in
real time, and we're breaking it

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down piece by piece.
But first.

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Jake.
What's up man?

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How's life?
Life is life, man.

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Apparently the aliens are here.
I don't know.

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Have you heard any of this?
Yeah, I have heard some of it

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and I think it's a bunch of
rigmarole.

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Yeah, we're going to get heavy,
get get into the weeds and try

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to weed out the bullshit.
So most of it.

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To each his own opinion, CJ.
What's up dude?

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I know we're living the dream
one nightmare at a time, you

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know?
Yeah, Well, welcome back, man.

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Yeah, it's good to be back.
I missed you guys.

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We'll see you back.
And it's bearded accusations of

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demonics.
Coming out swinging, huh?

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All right well, CJ man, happy to
have you back.

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And when we get Jeff back after
his moving endeavors, we'll have

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we'll have the the crew back.
We'll have all four corners of

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of the weird, strange and the
unknown covered and we'll have

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some nice heated debates as as
usual.

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Anyways, you guys ready to go?
Oh.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
All right, let's jump into the

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first conversation of the night.
On February 10th, 2026, Texas

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officials attempted to shut down
El Paso International Airport,

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not for a storm or any other
standard natural or unnatural

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reason, but for what appears to
be a UFO sighting that triggered

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an immediate government
response.

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The closure ordered stood for
exactly 1 hour before it was

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reversed.
But what makes this significant

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is the fact that officials tried
to close the airport at all.

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So let's walk through what we
know.

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On February 2nd, 8 days before
the closure attempt, video

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emerge showing what witnesses
described as a disc shaped

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object over the city of El Paso.
Scott C Waring, who runs UFO

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Sightings daily, enhanced the
footage using contrast and

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sharpness filters.
In the enhanced version, you can

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clearly see a structured object
with an upper Dome and a

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slightly up curved lower
section.

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Basically the classic disk
profile from the distance and

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shape.
Warring estimates the size at

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roughly 2 city buses in length.
On February 10th, cell phone

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services across El Paso started
cutting out multiple carriers.

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Widespread disruptions.
At the same time, witnesses

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reported seeing a UFO in the
area again, and then Texas

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officials moved to close the
airport.

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Think about what that means.
Closing an International Airport

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isn't a casual decision.
It disrupts hundreds of flights,

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effects thousands of travelers,
and cost millions of dollars.

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You don't do that unless there's
a serious threat.

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The official explanation came
the next day.

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According to William Brigham of
the local PBS, airspace over El

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Paso was temporarily shut down
on Wednesday.

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The Trump administration blamed
the issue on drug cartels flying

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drones.
But multiple reports say the

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closure was triggered by the
Pentagon testing a new anti

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drone defense system without
giving the FAA enough time to

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assess its dangers to commercial
flights.

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Let's be clear about what
they're saying.

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The Pentagon was testing anti
drone technology in the airspace

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above a major International
Airport without coordinating

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with the airport officials.
And the initial plan was a 10

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day closure.
The explanation raises more

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questions than it answers.
The cell phone disruptions are

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particularly interesting because
they suggest electromagnetic

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interference.
That's a common pattern in UAP

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encounters.
If the object over El Paso was

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causing electromagnetic
interference strong enough to

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disrupt self-service across an
entire city, that would explain

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why officials wanted the
airspace clear.

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But here's the question.
Why reverse a planned 10 day

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closure?
After only one hour, either the

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object left the area so the
threat was gone, or someone

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higher up decided that the
disruption was worse than the

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risk posed by whatever was in
the airspace.

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Scott Waring made an interesting
point.

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Quote.
When the US government reacts so

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drastically, it's a 100%
guarantee it's a real UFO.

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And he's right.
The government doesn't try to

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close international airports for
10 days based on misidentified

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balloons.
The incident fits a broader

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pattern.
We've seen increased UAP

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activity over the southwestern
United States for years.

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El Paso sits right next to Fort
Bliss, one of the largest

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military installations in the
United States.

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If there was unidentified aerial
activity in that area, the

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military would absolutely know
about it.

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The fact that the response was
too close the civilian airport

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rather than scrambled jets,
suggests that whatever was

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detected, officials either
couldn't intercept it or they

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chosen all to.
The El Paso incident is a

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reminder that UAP activity isn't
just historical, it's happening

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right now.
And when it does, the

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government's first instinct is
to still shut it down quietly

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and release a cover story that
doesn't hold up under scrutiny.

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JXCJ, what's your take?
Does an uncoordinated Pentagon

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anti drone test explain a 10 day
airport closure that got

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reversed in one hour?
Not all.

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I'm well, it's harder with two
people now because you're

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waiting for the other person.
Jeez Louise, it's going to be

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rough with four.
You know, on one hand, yes, it

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does make sense because both the
FAA and obviously the Pentagon

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are federal agencies and they
never talk to each other.

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So yeah, that makes sense.
And on the other side, it would

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make sense for it to be just a
bunch of baloney.

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That was a poorly thought out
cover up story.

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I actually agree.
CJ, what are your thoughts on

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this man?
This is one of the rare

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instances where I actually agree
with Jake.

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I don't.
I don't know if it would really

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be like alien activity.
I get, I guess I'm sort of like

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Jeff in it here a little bit
where I think this is more like

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they were probably testing some
of their own military stuff,

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maybe that they reverse
engineered from alien

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spacecraft.
But I don't I, I don't, I don't

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think it was.
I think as the night goes goes

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more, we get into these other
two stories, especially the deep

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dive.
It's going to paint a picture.

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That's what that's what I really
aim for with this.

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And it just seems so natural
with all the of this coming out

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within the last week here.
There's a ton of stuff coming

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out with UA PS and it's hard to
believe or hard to think in any

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other way, shape or form that
this isn't something that's just

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planned.
This seems deliberate to me.

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I'm not.
What is that location called

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again?
This was the El Paso

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International Airport.
I'm not the tinfoil hat guy,

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right?
And I I do believe that there is

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space for the government to do
some really stupid shit,

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especially with UA.
PS I think this is one of those

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I I do think that there is a
overall other answer to the

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concept of UAP and the
phenomenon in general, but this

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is one of those were this smells
like a military thing, right?

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If it looks military, smells
military, taste military, it's

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probably yeah.
Tastes like JP 5.

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JP 5, for those of you that
don't know, that is naval

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aircraft fuel, Yeah.
So here's an interesting It

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doesn't look like they I got a
whole bunch of photos of of the

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airport, but it doesn't look
like.

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Why don't you bring your screen?
Share your screen there buddy so

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we can see it.
If we if we actually find

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something relevant, I will.
OK, Well, this was this was more

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or less like one of those just
brief stories that I wanted to

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touch on just to kind of set the
setting for the deep dive.

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Anyways, so you guys ready to
just move on and CJ, if you find

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anything, we can see it there on
the next break.

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Well, it's just, it's just
interesting real quick that when

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you're searching for like the
UAP incident, like absolutely

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nothing is coming up, right.
And you'll find information.

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About UAP El Paso International
Airport.

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You might actually, because the
official reasoning for it, if

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you remember, was that this was
drone.

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This was an exercise to remove a
drone.

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I'm trying to find the exact
quote here that I got.

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Bear with me.
Because I mean like if they were

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doing something and they were
shit in the sky that would

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prompt a 10 day closure.
Someone would have took a

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picture, right?
Yes, and there was a picture.

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In fact, you could probably look
up the guy that did the the

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cleanup of the the photos named
Scott C Waring.

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Waring Scott.
See.

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He's the guy that cleared
cleared the picture.

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I I did see it.
I should have sent it to you

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before this just so you can have
it.

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No, it didn't.
It doesn't bring it up.

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No.
And I'm using like one of the

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only like uncensored search
engines that I know of.

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Yeah, he he runs the publication
called UFO Sightings Daily.

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I don't know if that helps out
or not, but and the original,

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the original incident happened
on February 2nd.

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That would be the the day where
the original object showed up in

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the skies over El Paso.
Yeah.

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Trying to find the quote here.
Let's see.

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OK, so PB s s William Brigham
quote this was the official

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explanation.
Airspace over El Paso was

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temporarily shut down on
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The Trump administration blamed
the issue on drug cartels flying

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drones.
But multiple reports say the

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closure was triggered by the
Pentagon testing a new anti

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drone defense system without
giving the FAA enough time to

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assess its danger to commercial
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So you might have more luck just
finding anything on the on the

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actual shutdown incident and the
cell phone disruption looking

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for that drone incursion.
Yeah, I'm asking Perplexity to

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look it up for me just because
that's easier.

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OK.
Well, Jake, you got anything

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else to add for this one?
No Sounds like a crappy

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conspiracy to me though.
Or a cover up, rather.

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Crappy cover up.
I agree.

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I agree.
All right, moving on to the

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second segment and our second to
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Yeah, The Major Cities Chief
Association represents police

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executives from the largest
cities in the United States and

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Canada.
These are the people responsible

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for public safety in major
metropolitan areas, not UFO

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enthusiasts.
And in September 2024, they

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published something
unprecedented, the first

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official law enforcement guide
to unidentified aerial

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phenomena.
The fact that this document

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exists is significant, but what
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that it's being talked about
again right now because of the

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broader disclosure conversation
we will cover in tonight's Deep

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Dive segment.
The handbook is being reframed

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as part of what some are calling
soft disclosure and the gradual

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normalization of UAP as a
serious topic that institutions

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need to prepare for.
So let's talk about what's

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actually in the guide.
It's 11 pages long.

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It opens with a clear warning
quote.

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Unidentified aerial phenomena
pose significant safety risks to

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law enforcement air support
units.

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The handbook provides historical
context from the 1940s through

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the present, mentioning Project
Blue Book and the creation of

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Arrow in 2022.
It highlights testimonies from

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whistleblowers like David Grush,
who testified that the US

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government possesses recovered
craft of non human origin.

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It also references Ryan Graves
and David Fraver, the Navy

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pilots who encountered the Tic
Tac and gimbal objects in the

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congressional hearings of 2023
and 2024.

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The handbook includes actual
police encounter reports.

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One example from 2023 describes
an officer who witnessed a

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triangle shaped craft with green
lights gliding silently through

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the sky.
Charlotte Mecklenburg Police

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Chief Johnny Jennings said,
Quote, they're happening.

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Whether you believe in what the
origin of them is or not,

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they're happening.
And it's important that we are

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able to report.
The guide makes clear that

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there's currently no official
law enforcement reporting

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mechanism for UAP.
Instead, the handbook provides

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links to civilian organizations
like the National UFO Reporting

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Center as a stopgap measure.
And that brings us to why this

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handbook is being discussed
again now, 17 months after it

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was first released.
With Obama's statement on

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February 15th, Laura Trump's
revelation on February 18th, and

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now Trump's declassification
order on February 20th, the UAP

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conversation has shifted
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The police handbook is being
reframed as a part of a broader

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institutional preparation.
Some researchers are calling

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this quote, UN quote, soft
disclosure, AKA the idea that

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disclosure is happening
gradually.

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Congressional hearings, Pentagon
reports, police guidelines,

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presidential statements and now
a declassification order.

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Each step individually might not
seem like much.

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But together they create a
pattern.

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Institutions are preparing.
They're normalizing the

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conversation.
The police handbook is part of

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that process.
It's not saying aliens are real.

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It's saying unidentified objects
are operating in our airspace

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and they pose a risk to public
safety.

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And law enforcement needs to
prepare to respond. 10 years

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ago, if a police officer
reported seeing a UFO, they'd be

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laughed at.
Now major police departments are

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being officially instructed to
take those reports seriously.

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So, Jake, CJ, here's my question
for you.

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If police departments are being
told to prepare for UAP

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encounters, does that suggest
they're expecting more

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incidents?
Or is this just reactive

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covering the bases after the
fact?

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CJ, you go first.
No, maybe a little bit of both,

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right.
So I think we've been getting a

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lot of soft disclosure and a lot
of desensitizing media revolving

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around UFOs and
extraterrestrials and everything

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for for years now kind of
getting us all ready for, you

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know, maybe integration walking
around amongst us, like socially

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acceptable.
I mean, when they first

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announced, if you think about
it, like when they first

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announced that like they were
going to disclose stuff about

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UAP, nobody cared, right?
Like the general overall

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reaction was nobody cared that
they confirm that UA PS were a

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thing like, and like previous
Hollywood movies, there should

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have been people running out in
the street like panicking and

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stuff.
So I feel like they've been kind

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of like prepping us for this for
a long time.

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So the idea that they have a
document out now that's a

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furthering a sort of soft
disclosure, I find that to be

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believable.
Jake, what are your thoughts,

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bud?
Man, I'll tell you what, if me

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and my friends had run up on ET
from that movie, we would have

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killed that thing with a hammer
and I fully intend on doing

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that.
My first time I see an alien in

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real life, I'm going to tell it
it's not real as I kill it with

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a hammer.
Well, now we know what Jake was

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in.
There's a big reactions for it,

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right?
It's it's befriended.

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Kill it or fuck it, right?
That's right.

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Or it's in that order.
Jake wants to kill it.

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I'll be his friends.
That leaves Jeremy.

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You could kill it and then bang
it, or you could bang it and

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kill it and.
Then yo, that's for a stop.

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Dude, you wait till I'm not
drinking bro.

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Dude the any aliens thinking
about coming down to earth?

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Definitely rethinking that that
possibility of doing.

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I have what some might consider
to be a large amount of firearms

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at my house, and unlike what
most people think people have a

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lot of firearms for, I'm waiting
for the aliens to show up so I

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can shoot them out of the sky
and then say see, told you

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they're not real.
See.

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They're they're no longer real.
They're no longer.

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Real.
They're no.

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Longer real.
Not anymore.

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Wiped it out.
Yeah, right.

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I don't.
No, I don't.

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I don't think that soft
disclosures are one thing.

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Aliens walking among us is
something completely different.

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And you know, it's funny too,
because I was listening to

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Louder with Crowder today while
I was working on my truck, and I

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was changing my brakes and my
rotors and everything went to

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crap when I was doing that.
But Steven Crowder said that

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he's like, yeah, I don't, I'm
not putting much weight into it.

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I'm paraphrasing what he said.
But he's like, but if there's a

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civilization or a group of
beings that was able to traverse

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the infinite, you know, Infinity
of space to get to us, then we

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don't stand a chance and you
should just kiss your ass

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goodbye.
I guess that's the way it's

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going to go.
It's not going to be us fighting

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them off.
It's good.

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It's not going to be a, you
know, War of the Worlds or a or

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an Independence Day.
It's going to be an absolute

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annihilation.
So, you know, I'll allow them to

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continue.
I mean, they don't need my

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permission, obviously, but I'll
allow them to continue with

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their soft disclosures and
stuff.

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But it's really does not mean
anything to me until like

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there's some, oh, a UF OS
landing in on the White House

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lawn type stuff or any, any
government of any, you know,

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country or whatever it is.
And it's something physical

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where they can go and touch it.
And you can see that it's not AI

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and it's a live feed and they're
holding up today's paper.

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And, you know, stuff like that.
Like it's going to have to be

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super duper convincing for a lot
of people because at this rate,

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I mean, AI is getting so good.
It's like, what isn't AI these

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days?
Like half the videos on social

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media are AI and it's like you
can only tell because of some

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like strange movements or you
get kind of like that.

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What do they call it?
It's like the uncanny valley

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effect.
We're just like, something seems

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off.
These don't seem like real

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people, right?
This looks.

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Too real.
Slightly off right.

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And so I don't know, I think
that this is, I think this one

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is reactionary of just like
trying so hard to get everyone

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on board.
It's like, all right, well now

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let's work on the police and
stuff too, to take people's

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stories seriously.
It it really feels like they're

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pushing this narrative hard and
then get to like local police.

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And is the narrative being
pushed because it's all BS and

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they're trying to set the stage
for was it Project Bluebeam or

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something like that?
Or is the narrative being pushed

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because this is real stuff and
they're actually going to

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disclose real information?
It's hard to say.

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I'm actually we're with Jake
because I I fully believe in

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Project Bluebeam, like being
like their objective, like 100%

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on board with plot Project
Bluebeam.

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But I also don't think that like
aliens being here is new, right?

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And like this wouldn't be the
first time they've integrated

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with humanity or or tried to
affect.

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I mean, you go all the way back
to like the Anunnaki, right?

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And it's several things over
course of those times.

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And like, I mean, even biblical
references, like if you look at

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the book of Enoch where they
start talking about aliens in

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there too.
So there there there's all kinds

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of stuff about aliens
interacting with humans or them

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seeing a cave, paintings of
flying saucers, Egyptian

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hieroglyphs depicting flying
saucers.

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This isn't new and I, I think
it's just new for us like like

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where our civilization is now.
And they're just, they're,

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they're going out of their way
to desensitize us to it, right?

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They, they hit us with the
information that Uaps were real,

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right when something real major
that actually was affecting our

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lives was distracting us.
So there was no reaction.

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Then out of nowhere, we have two
more of those stupid blue Avatar

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movies in the last three years
where it's like, look at we're

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humans and aliens and we're
holding hands together, right?

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Not that I wouldn't want to,
like I would totally be best

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buddies with an alien.
But at the same time, like, it

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could be full on Project
Bluebeam stuff.

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Although I'm pretty sure I'm
pretty convinced that the

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coronavirus was the alien
invasion for the Project

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Bluebeam, or at least the tester
for it.

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CJ just wants to attach tails
with a giant blue and.

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He wants all it.
Is he wants my duck tail, you

460
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:09,920
know, you know, I always get
made fun of because of this, but

461
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,520
I'm going to say it anyway.
You know, my whole theory on

462
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,440
aliens being fallen angels and
things like that are demons.

463
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,720
You know, in the Bible it talks
about fallen angels teaching

464
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:27,920
humans how to, you know, about
medicine and about how to make

465
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,000
steel or how to work metal and
things like that.

466
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,240
That's why I pressed so hard on
the idea that, you know, these

467
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:43,200
aliens are helping people to
create things that shouldn't

468
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:48,360
exist, things that defy physics
like anti gravity propulsion

469
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:50,720
systems and things like that,
right?

470
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,560
They're teaching us unnatural
things.

471
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,000
And I think that I agree with
with CJ, you know, just to give

472
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,240
it a different name, but that
they've been here for quite some

473
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,640
time.
And maybe this will go deeper

474
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,920
into the whole Antichrist system
and things like that, where the

475
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,800
Bible's talking about people
that look like frogs, you know,

476
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,160
and stuff, you know, is that an
alien or whatever?

477
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,600
Or is that, you know, a fallen
Angel or something like that?

478
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:26,600
I think that there's a very
dark, evil agenda at play, but

479
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:32,200
we're kind of seeing all of the
puzzle pieces fit in gradually

480
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,440
over time.
And then finally that last one's

481
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,320
going to click and it's going to
be the whole picture.

482
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,360
And whatever that picture is,
we'll all see it at the same

483
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,440
time, and it will probably be
pretty terrible.

484
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:49,480
Well, so one first thing, frog
people, I got to you got to tell

485
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,080
me or fill me in on that at some
point because I don't know

486
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,160
anything about that.
That's interesting.

487
00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:00,440
I can definitely see like a
typical grey being described as

488
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,640
a frog person.
That's actually pretty wild.

489
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,200
But I want to kind of go back a
little bit to, I think it was

490
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,560
last week's episode, either the
last week or the week before

491
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,400
that.
We talked about the data analyst

492
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:20,480
from the Bank of London who
warned the higher ups in that,

493
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:26,160
in that huge financial
institution that the disclosure

494
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:31,880
of alien beings could cause a
lot of issues for just

495
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,400
civilization in general.
And this is something that as

496
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,040
one of the major financial
institutions in in the world

497
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:43,640
they should be preparing for.
Then I want to kind of dive into

498
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,360
really quick, we've just been
slapped in the face by two

499
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,760
really big productions when it
comes to disclosure.

500
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,840
One which came out about a year
ago now the age of disclosure,

501
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,120
which made its way through
Congress and and is now finally

502
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,880
being able to be viewed by the
public for the first time.

503
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,040
This was like so.
Mad that I have to pay for it

504
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,600
because that means I haven't
seen it.

505
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,720
It's it's stupid.
It is it, but but at the same

506
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,360
time, like, you know, I have
seen it and I do recommend it,

507
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,880
but there is a bunch of
propaganda, if you will, in it

508
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:29,120
and and it it does feel like
they're pushing a narrative now.

509
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,520
You know, I'm watching the Super
Bowl, you know, a couple weeks

510
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:37,200
ago and the very first
commercial of the Super Bowl is

511
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,680
a trailer for the new Age of
Disclosure movie.

512
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,080
You guys heard about this?
So when you're ready, I have

513
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:50,360
that Bible verse for you.
OK, CJ, since you're the Jamie,

514
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,600
can you bring up the just bring
up the the front Google page or

515
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,760
whatever page that you go to of
the age of Disclosure movie from

516
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,680
2026?
It's supposed to be like June or

517
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:07,200
something like that where I, I'm
not a big movie guy, so forgive

518
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,320
me.
I know it's a a famous director

519
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,760
or whatever it's.
Like Steven Spielberg, I.

520
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,000
Same.
Guy people might have heard

521
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,320
about.
Him and it might be it sounds

522
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,440
familiar not the age of
disclosure, sorry, disclosure

523
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:27,480
day age of disclosure is the
documentary on the the the path

524
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:28,960
of disclosure that we've been
taking.

525
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,520
Hey, it is Steven Spielberg.
Look at that.

526
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:32,880
Is it?
Yeah.

527
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:39,080
So.
Now, I, I wish we could watch

528
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,840
this trailer really quick, just
so you know, but I've been

529
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,520
getting flagged for, for
recycling content.

530
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,320
So I don't want to do that.
I highly recommend people

531
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,040
checking this out.
I'm not a movie guy and I'm

532
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,320
going to watch this movie. 100%
going to happen.

533
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,080
You just look at all the stuff
that's being thrown at us right

534
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,360
now.
It's a lot.

535
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,960
It really is.
And ever since the congressional

536
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,920
hearing in 2023 where they
released a bunch of stuff and,

537
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:11,200
and then even back in 2021 when
we were introduced to David

538
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,080
Grush, right when David Grush
first came out in his own

539
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,280
congressional hearing and
started disclosing, that was

540
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:26,880
like the the first real steps
into modern disclosure.

541
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,080
What are you looking at?
What oh what is?

542
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,000
Perplexity.
Are you AI and stuff punk ass?

543
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:40,720
Yeah, I am.
Wow, we pride ourselves on no AI

544
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,760
in this this house.
Yeah.

545
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:48,880
So he asked I he asked since
2023, how many things have been

546
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,840
released to soft disclose
aliens?

547
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,800
So it says there's Pentagon.
UAP reports between May 2023 and

548
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,480
June 2024 explicitly say there
is no evidence of

549
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,400
extraterrestrial life or
technology.

550
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,400
Congressional hearings well you
guys covered that in depth.

551
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,640
The UAP Disclosure Act and
related laws in 2023, all domain

552
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,120
anomaly resolution office we've.
Covered that a lot.

553
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,720
Too high profile disclosure,
claims a David Gruge testimony.

554
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,240
Activist press, events, media,
political.

555
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,680
So I mean, like, there's been
quite a bit and a lot of

556
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,200
whistleblower interviews, it
says.

557
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,160
Yeah, this, this is definitely a
a very incomplete answer.

558
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,320
This, this seems to be filtered
out quite a bit because at the

559
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:40,320
very beginning when it says
there's been no cases of soft

560
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,840
disclosure, I mean, literally
today and on February 10th, we

561
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,760
had two presidents come out and
say, yes, there is something.

562
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,280
So I don't know you should have
that thing.

563
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:58,560
Do a search for for recent
activity, but let's go ahead and

564
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,560
move into the deep dive.
Are you guys ready for that or

565
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,120
did anybody else have anything
to add?

566
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,400
First real quick.
Oh yeah, yeah, go ahead.

567
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,760
Revelation 16 I'm going to read
the whole section so it's within

568
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:14,920
context. 12 through 16 it says
when the 6th Angel poured out

569
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,480
his bowl into the great river
Euphrates and it's water was

570
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,400
dried up to prepare a way for
the kings from the east.

571
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,120
And I saw it coming out of the
mouth of the dragon.

572
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,679
Which is the Antichrist in the
mouth of or the the dragon?

573
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,440
Sorry, mouth of the dragon,
mouth of the beast?

574
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,920
Which is the Antichrist in the
mouth of the false prophet?

575
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:40,040
3 Unclean spirits like frogs for
their demonic spirits performing

576
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,520
signs, who go abroad to the
kings of the whole world to

577
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,280
assemble them for battle on the
great day of of God the

578
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,719
Almighty.
Behold, I'm coming like a thief,

579
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,600
blesses the one who stays awake,
keeping his garments on, that he

580
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,360
may not go about naked and be
seen exposed.

581
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,360
And they assembled them in the
place that that that in Hebrew

582
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,040
is called Armageddon.
Wow, so there's a lot there,

583
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,320
right?
One is the group of threes.

584
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:11,960
That's a heavily reported
description of alien contact

585
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,840
with with Gray's at least the
the rules of three is a a a very

586
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,200
common concept with Gray's men
in black.

587
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,840
I mean, shit, even going back to
like the the 1500s vampire

588
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,200
stories in Europe, the rule of
three was a huge thing.

589
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:35,840
Can you read right after it said
that the IT came in three.

590
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,520
Can you read that Part 1 more
time?

591
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:38,680
There was one more thing in
there.

592
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,600
Wow.
So that literally sounds like

593
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,840
great aliens making contact with
the world, with world leaders.

594
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,600
That's what that sounds like.
Can you, can you read, can you

595
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,360
read the front part of that
again real quick 'cause there

596
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,120
was something in there that I
that I wanted to to.

597
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,040
What about the Euphrates drying
up?

598
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,680
Yeah, just just reread it up to
the the point where they're

599
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,400
coming out.
The 6th Angel poured out his

600
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,320
bowl onto the great river
Euphrates and it's water was

601
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,480
dried up to prepare a way for
the kings from the east.

602
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,040
And I saw coming out of the
mouth of the dragon, out of the

603
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,080
mouth of the beast, and out of
the mouth of the false prophet.

604
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,840
3IN clean spirit, like spirits,
like frogs.

605
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:25,080
Now I'm just saying like,
obviously the dragon, the beast,

606
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:28,800
probably not the false prophet,
because we Christians do believe

607
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,720
there is going to be a false
prophet, but that's going to

608
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,640
claim that the beast, the
Antichrist is God, right?

609
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:36,920
And he deserves to be
worshipped.

610
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,920
But obviously the Antichrist is
called the beast.

611
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:43,120
And then there's not going to be
a literal dragon.

612
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,400
But it's all, it's all
metaphors, right?

613
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,840
So the frogs could be metaphors
as well.

614
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:54,640
But the point is, is that these
things that are like frogs are

615
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,880
demons.
Now that could still be because

616
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,080
the false prophet isn't a
metaphor for something else that

617
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,320
we believe.
So the things like frogs could

618
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:10,160
be beings that look like frogs
that then go to all the world

619
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,400
leaders and have all these
magical signs and quote, UN

620
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:19,640
quote miracles to deceive them.
So I so when I say that I

621
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,640
believe that these aliens are
demons, I'm not pulling it out

622
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,840
of just this idea in my head.
I'm pulling this out of my faith

623
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,000
and out of what revelation,
which is the last book talking

624
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,320
about the end of days.
And if you ask a lot of

625
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,360
Christians that are pretty
serious about this stuff and

626
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,400
actually pay attention to what's
going on in the world, we would

627
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:43,640
they would agree, and I do too,
that I'm not saying we're in the

628
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,040
tribulation right now, but we're
pretty Dang close.

629
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,240
And I think that just like CJ
talked about COVID earlier being

630
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:52,800
like a kind of a dry run for
Project Blue Beam, I think it

631
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,680
was a dry run for the mark of
the beast because just like

632
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,040
that, you cannot, you couldn't
go into a store without showing

633
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,800
this magic piece of paper saying
I'd gotten the shot, right?

634
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,960
In the same way, you won't be
able to buy and sell, you won't

635
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,200
be able to go to the grocery
store without having this

636
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,520
whatever implant in your body
are marked on your body in some

637
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,600
way or fashion saying that you
worship the one world system or

638
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:20,160
the man in charge of it.
So I, I totally believe that

639
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:26,640
this nefarious goal is pushing
the end times.

640
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:33,440
And I, I think I, I think I
pushed back on it when we first

641
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,920
talked about it.
I, I think Jeff was here, we're

642
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,520
talking about like, if it seems
like all these old geezers that

643
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,200
are getting ready to die off
that have been so evil their

644
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,320
entire lives.
If they're, you know, pushing

645
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,720
real hard for this, like one
world order and all this sort of

646
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:51,040
stuff.
So they don't miss it.

647
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,400
And I kind of pushed back on, I
think, and now I'm like fully on

648
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,960
board that we're just getting
slammed and railroaded with all

649
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:04,440
this information because they're
trying so Dang hard to get this

650
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,120
thing in motion so that they
don't miss all of this, their

651
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,280
life's work essentially, and
watch the earth implode on

652
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,000
itself, you know?
CJ, can you minimize your screen

653
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:21,680
share?
Yeah, I'm, I'm curious to see

654
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,440
like if like in like the
biblical sense, right?

655
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,360
Because like the, the, the
Bible's originally, like in the

656
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,600
world tradition for a very, very
long time before it was written

657
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,920
down.
If like I said, like aliens have

658
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,960
always kind of been here, like
all the way back to like the

659
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,960
Anunnaki, they would have come
from the sky, like outer space

660
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,080
and all that.
So like the like the whole

661
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,720
concept of Angel and demon being
like, you know, obviously

662
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:48,320
they're good people and bad
people.

663
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,720
In retrospect, there would also
be good aliens, bad aliens,

664
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:52,640
right?
So like they can come down and

665
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,040
like this was like a primitive
people's in term interpretation

666
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,520
and maybe misinterpretation of
metaphor and idiom.

667
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,240
Through old ways of speaking and
old ways of writing because like

668
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,920
the the Bible was originally
like, like I said, an oral

669
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,440
tradition, which was then I
believe ancient Hebrew and then

670
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,720
translated into Greek and Latin
and then further translated so.

671
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:19,880
No, it was written down in
Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek.

672
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,000
We have Aramaic, you write.
Well, we have most of the

673
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,120
original documents in the Dead
Sea Scrolls.

674
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,760
Right, right.
The previous said it was still

675
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,200
an oral tradition.
What I'm saying is like we're,

676
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,760
we're looking at like a
primitive people seeing highly

677
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:42,360
advanced beings coming down and
being like those are from God,

678
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,760
right?
Sure.

679
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,400
So I'm actually and then.
Some of them come down and

680
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,240
they're real cool, right?
And they help us out and they're

681
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:51,800
the angels.
And then some of them come down,

682
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,560
they're real Dick heads and they
suck at life and they're not

683
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,760
team players.
And those are our demons, you

684
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:03,880
know.
So I first just to explain to

685
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,480
anybody new here, I'm not
religious, right?

686
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,000
But I, I, I appreciate Jake's
input because he's very

687
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,960
knowledgeable about this stuff.
So the questions I ask, I don't

688
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,160
mean to, to, to ask out of
ignorance, but but it is right.

689
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:27,520
So Jake, just a quick question.
Were there any other mentions or

690
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,080
references to Dragons in the
Bible that you know of?

691
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,080
I mean all references as far as
I know to Dragons are in

692
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:42,320
reference to Satan.
I'd be very curious as to what

693
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,960
are what context those Dragons
were brought up in.

694
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:52,240
Just, well, I'm kind of if.
If you wanted to go for like, so

695
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,280
I was watching Kent Hovind the
other day.

696
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,000
Some people might know him as
Doctor Dino.

697
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,080
He was kind of talking about
this, you know, this idea of

698
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,200
Dragons in the Bible.
And he says the word dinosaur

699
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,160
didn't come around until like
the mid 1800s.

700
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,120
Before that, before the mid
1800s, you would have never seen

701
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:13,240
the word dinosaur in any text in
any book or anything like that.

702
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,960
All ancient cultures have this
idea of Dragons, and it's

703
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,560
probably because of either
digging up the bones of

704
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,680
dinosaurs and seeing them or
having actual real life

705
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,600
experiences.
And that's why you have people

706
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:30,120
from not just, you know,
Christian cultures going into

707
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,800
faraway places and slaying
Dragons, right?

708
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,640
It's not this like crazy
fantastical thing.

709
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,960
It could have been the last of
the dinosaurs, right?

710
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,680
Or something like that, right?
It was.

711
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:49,040
So yes, it's in reference to the
devil, but also I think that

712
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:55,120
that comes through and not just
a, you know, it, it doesn't come

713
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,400
from nowhere.
I think that there was ancient

714
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,280
people that actually had
interactions with Dragons or

715
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:06,600
dinosaurs and you know, the
ferocity of some of them would

716
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,880
have been like, and that's what,
and that's what Satan's like

717
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,600
because he wants to destroy
everything and and, you know,

718
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,920
tear you apart if he could right
Type stuff.

719
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:20,200
CJ can you bring up an image of
Eastern and Western Dragons real

720
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:25,560
quick?
So I actually under I know

721
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:26,840
exactly what you're talking
about, Jake.

722
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,680
I don't I don't know the guy
that you're talking about, but I

723
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:33,640
know the concept and depending
on because I know like most of

724
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,160
the Bible happened.
The middle of the eastern dragon

725
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,360
being like really long and
slinky and then the the western

726
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,640
dragon being like very bulky
and.

727
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,360
Yep, exactly.
What I'm talking about and.

728
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:50,840
Then if you, if you don't mind
screenshotting that, but I know

729
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,920
again, I, I don't know, I'm
assuming that a lot of the Bible

730
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:01,600
takes place in the Middle East,
Northern Africa area and that

731
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:06,240
there's not much of European
influence or Asian influence in

732
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:07,320
it.
And I could be wrong.

733
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,680
I I don't know, I haven't read
it, but just.

734
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,080
Well.
Looking that wouldn't.

735
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,760
Discount that wouldn't discount
what Jake is saying because it

736
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,080
would be like locality, right?
Because like if we look a lot,

737
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,200
if we look at a lot of animals
who fall in like the same.

738
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,720
Sort of.
Family of animals or Kingdom of

739
00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:26,280
animals they they have
variations to make on the part

740
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,040
of the planet they come from.
Right.

741
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,280
And you know, there's a lot of
iterations of the dragon

742
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,600
throughout the world, right?
But the two major ones are the

743
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:41,200
eastern western dragon and even
back then the eastern western

744
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,480
dragon that we know today, the
modernized version, the the

745
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,640
eastern dragon being the Game of
Thrones dragon and the the the

746
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,520
western dragon being the dragon
that you see in a lot of

747
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,960
parades, costumes and and stuff,
right?

748
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:57,640
Well, hold on, Eastern Dragons
Day.

749
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,520
Not a Not the Game of Thrones
dragon.

750
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,960
The Game of Thrones Dragons.
No, the the western, western,

751
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,400
eastern, western Dragons are
well, OK.

752
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:06,520
I've never seen Game of Thrones
game.

753
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,640
Like, that's a Wyvern.
It's not even a dragon.

754
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,080
Yeah.
I don't give a shit, but I mean

755
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:18,040
the, the general, the general
behemoth where, you know, they,

756
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:23,480
they fly around, they're huge.
And that's where the the stories

757
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,440
of breathing fire came through
it from.

758
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:33,120
And everything what I'm trying
to get at is that stories still

759
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,480
traveled long distances back
then.

760
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,560
People saying I saw this, I saw
that, right.

761
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:45,520
So when the Bible was written,
or at least that that portion of

762
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,640
it was written, the best
explanation that they could have

763
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,320
had was maybe, hey, this was a
dragon.

764
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,920
And I'm thinking, you know, the,
the whole fire breathing thing

765
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,520
or being tied to elements in
general is something that's

766
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,440
very, very old.
I'm not 100% sure if that dates

767
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,960
back to the biblical times.
I have no idea.

768
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,960
I'm not claiming that.
Keep in mind Revelation that I

769
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,920
was just reading from was
written by by John and it's

770
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,280
theorized or it's dated back
through historians in

771
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,800
archaeology to be around 70 AD,
so not a crazy long time ago,

772
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,280
just after Christ, right?
Yeah.

773
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,240
So I, I think that this this
kind of falls perfectly into

774
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:35,640
that.
And I, I'm thinking of the UFOs

775
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:40,360
that we see today, right?
And we've seen an evolution of

776
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,720
how UFOs are described.
And it's always seems that

777
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:48,960
they're they're show being shown
to us in modern ways or what we

778
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,120
would perceive as modern ways,
right.

779
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:56,680
When we were first introduced to
UF OS as children, the only UF

780
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:01,640
OS that we ever saw or heard of
or played around with were

781
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,120
flying saucers, right?
Maybe giant triangles.

782
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:13,200
But now like as we're starting
to open up more as as a a human

783
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,320
race, we're starting to see and
as we develop in technology,

784
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,320
we're starting to see way more
reports of disembodied lights,

785
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:27,000
just lights being flying around
at night that look like they're

786
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,160
not attached to anything
whatsoever and they're not being

787
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,120
generated by anything.
How would that's just like the

788
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,040
video that I sent you guys that
I took with my cell phone a

789
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:35,880
couple years?
Ago.

790
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,760
Yep.
How would something like that be

791
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:45,400
perceived around 70AD or 40AD,
whatever Jake just said, right?

792
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:53,000
If stories of Dragons were
around, not necessarily from the

793
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:59,320
area where the, this, the Bible
was written or comprised, but

794
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,400
just stories in general, you
know, by word of mouth and

795
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,760
across long distances.
And someone looked up at the sky

796
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,720
and they saw a, a, a light that
was disembodied.

797
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,640
There would be many different
ways to, to describe that.

798
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:18,280
And if that light was giving off
a reddish hue, it could be, it

799
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:23,720
could look as if it was a dragon
with fire coming out.

800
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:27,040
I, I don't know.
I'm just, I'm trying to, to draw

801
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,880
connection to your
possibilities.

802
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:33,480
And when they came, when it came
down and three beings came out,

803
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,760
that very well could have been
the way that they described it.

804
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,520
It could have been a a blinding
light.

805
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,760
And the only thing that they
know that can that can create a

806
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,880
light even close to that would
probably be fire.

807
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,000
I like it.
I think this is extremely

808
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,960
interesting.
Makes me really want to dive

809
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,880
into the Bible, Jake.
I mean if it.

810
00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:06,760
Puts you in there.
But yeah, I, I think, I think

811
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:07,840
it's interesting.
I do.

812
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:11,760
I know we kind of veered off
path from the whole disclosure

813
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,120
thing, but I think it was
necessary just because it's,

814
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,440
it's fun to talk about.
Yeah.

815
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,960
Yeah.
Well, is there anything else to?

816
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,640
Figure out where the whole idea
of like aliens and stuff even

817
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:28,600
comes from, you know, and like
the Bible's by far not the only

818
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,960
religious texts that that
references aliens and, and

819
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,960
whatnot.
So it's, it's, it's interesting

820
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,000
to see like how ancient peoples
and primitive peoples really

821
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,880
interpreted what they were
seeing.

822
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,200
And we could also be seeing like
a lot of language too, that was

823
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,680
not necessarily mistranslated,
but maybe misinterpreted because

824
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,560
there are words that are the
same word that mean multiple

825
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,240
things or maybe things that
could have been common metaphor

826
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:57,240
or idiom back then that we
wouldn't really understand now.

827
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,840
You know, it's sort of like the
difference between Old English

828
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,360
and English now.
Like Old English sounds almost

829
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,560
German until the slobs got to
it, right?

830
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:11,480
So, you know, it, it could be
like a lot of stuff revolving

831
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,880
around alien life and that like
we've literally been

832
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,520
experiencing it.
Like they come, they do their

833
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,120
thing, something happens, they
leave us again, they come, they

834
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:25,400
do their thing.
Maybe it's not the first time

835
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,640
they've granted us technology.
It's like there's that whole

836
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:32,800
idea we're like an advanced
civilization before us existed.

837
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,600
And that's why they find stuff
like hammers and whatnot and

838
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:40,640
like sandstone and whatnot.
That could be like, let's try

839
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,240
again.
You know what?

840
00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:46,640
What did you say, Jake?
Yeah, like pre flood type stuff,

841
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,840
like apparently people are so
low and I don't know what that

842
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,560
entails exactly.
Like I don't know how a bunch of

843
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,360
like sheep farmers can be so
evil that God would wipe them

844
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,800
off the face of the earth.
You know, they must have been

845
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,280
way more advanced than that.
So.

846
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,880
Yeah, that could have been an
interpreter, like the whole

847
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,160
flood story, because that flood
story is far beyond just the

848
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,760
Bible too, right?
Like that's like multicultural.

849
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,600
Well, yeah, I mean, if we get
into the biblical aspect of it,

850
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,960
you know, everyone settled in
one area and then society grew,

851
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,880
and then the Tower of Babel
caused everyone's language to

852
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:26,040
be, you know, confused.
And then they branched off other

853
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,160
places.
Like I saw, I think it was like

854
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:32,680
ancient Chinese, like their
first form of written language.

855
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:39,560
The character for Boat look like
an arc and a family next to it.

856
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,920
And then over the years, it's
changed in the same way any

857
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,240
language changes, you know, ways
of writing changes.

858
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,520
But it's like all these
cultures, I believe, have a

859
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,720
shared story of the arc in some
way or shape or form because

860
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:58,000
everyone remembers it through
history because they all

861
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,200
experienced it, or they all came
from the same people who

862
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:06,680
experienced it, right?
That's what I would say.

863
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,480
And yeah, I mean, you're right,
you can't.

864
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,720
The idea that the Bible is the
only source of information when

865
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:15,200
it comes to like things like
Dragons or aliens is, you know,

866
00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:17,680
ridiculous because that's not
what the Bible's about.

867
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,880
The Bible's about people seeking
God and God, you know, telling

868
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,360
them they can't, you know, that
they suck.

869
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,400
And then he's going to do it for
them to bridge that gap.

870
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,520
That's what the Bible is about.
You know, 40 different authors

871
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,840
over 1500 years, three different
language, and I think 3

872
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,920
continents.
But that's what that's about.

873
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,000
It's not a book on animals.
It's not a book on a, you know,

874
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,280
aliens or Dragons or whatever it
is.

875
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:49,240
And that's to say, you know, if
in 70 AD, John was writing down,

876
00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:57,200
saying, you know, saying or
comparing Satan to a fiery red

877
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,720
dragon, who's to say that in
other parts of the world there

878
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:04,720
weren't people dealing with said
Dragons, right?

879
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,600
And writing that stuff down.
I mean, that's why you get into

880
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,040
the Middle Ages.
And it's so strange because you

881
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,720
constantly see literature where
people are going off to fight

882
00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:16,000
Dragons.
It's like, it's like they

883
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:20,720
existed way, way, way, you know,
sooner than science would tell

884
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:22,200
you.
Oh, no, dinosaurs died out

885
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:23,920
65,000,000 years ago.
Great.

886
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:28,480
How do we have so many stories
of like nobles fighting Dragons

887
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:29,880
for their honor and stuff like
that?

888
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,800
That doesn't make any sense,
right?

889
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,760
Unless it was just, you know,
every, every culture on Earth

890
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,160
had the same fantasy somehow,
right?

891
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:43,080
I think that there was a lot
more to that and to say, yeah,

892
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,640
I'm not going to sit here and
and say that the Bible's the

893
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,360
only source for that sort of
stuff because as far as I can

894
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,640
tell, the only references to it
are in Revelation in reference

895
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,800
to Satan, with the exception of
the Leviathan and Job.

896
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,680
But it's not described as a
dragon, right?

897
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,920
So.
I just want to say that I

898
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:03,240
wasn't, I wasn't kind of
pointing at that as as being

899
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:06,920
like the the say all source for
that kind of stuff.

900
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,640
I just thought it was an
interesting connection, no?

901
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:11,920
No, no, I agree.
But yeah, I, I agree that I

902
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:18,600
think that the like, this is so
far off the alien topic that a

903
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:23,520
lot of cultures and their
scholars and things like that,

904
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,360
that a lot of the things they
write down, especially when it

905
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,760
comes to science and it's, oh,
that's fantasy.

906
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,000
It's really just thrown away.
And I think that there's a lot

907
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:37,120
more to that sort of stuff than
what people or people in the

908
00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:41,680
professional agencies would
like, you know, take for heart

909
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,520
and say that this actually
happened, right?

910
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,560
Versus like, oh, people had wild
imaginations.

911
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,000
It's like, yeah, they could
have, they also could have been

912
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:52,280
experiencing real things.
So yeah, maybe the the aliens

913
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,040
thing, you know, there's
cultures around the world that

914
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,120
have talked about flying ships
and all sorts of stuff.

915
00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:01,960
And maybe that is people's way
in a more, you know, non not

916
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,680
dealing with airplanes and
helicopters and things like

917
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,520
that.
If they were to see that, how

918
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,720
would they describe that?
You know, or, you know, just

919
00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:12,000
saying they were bright lights
or, you know, whatever.

920
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,720
But then I I can't deny that
there have been very strange

921
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,920
artifacts found throughout the
years that sure as heck look

922
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,160
like somebody in a helicopter.
So maybe time travel's real and

923
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,720
it gets disclosed today and it's
just like, oh, yeah, we've been

924
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:32,520
flying helicopters over ancient
Mesopotamia for years.

925
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,880
That's why we keep seeing all
these weird cave paintings.

926
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:37,680
That was Dave.
Yeah, that was Dave.

927
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:39,720
That was.
What about like, food for

928
00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:41,880
thought?
Food, food for thought?

929
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,800
Something like, you know, like
aliens having always been with

930
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,200
us and then potential that we
had a previous advanced

931
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,240
civilization that got wiped out
and they had to restart us.

932
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:55,520
If we have harp, who says aliens
don't have a gigantic harp?

933
00:55:55,880 --> 00:56:01,280
They were like that civilization
sucks, flood the planet, start.

934
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,080
I, I honestly think that a lot
of evidence that we've been

935
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:09,080
coming across in the last couple
years has really pointed towards

936
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,960
that there was an advanced
civilization on Earth prior to

937
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:18,440
modern day and I, I do, I do
think that there was, but you

938
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:19,480
guys ready to move on?
We.

939
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,400
We.
Could be seeing some very, very

940
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:26,960
real, like potential alien
accounts in religious texts and

941
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,400
we've just been misinterpreting
it the entire time.

942
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,720
You know, people having seen
stuff, you know, and then we're

943
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:35,160
acting like it's brand new when
it's really just been around the

944
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:40,000
whole time.
Well, I think, I think that any

945
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:47,400
real advanced civilization was
here a very long time ago.

946
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,800
And I think that there's
evidence of it.

947
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,160
And I think that there was
evidence of it in a lot of

948
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:57,400
historical texts, none that I've
read personally myself.

949
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,840
Not referring to the Bible,
referring to other things as

950
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,080
well.
What if it's more?

951
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:08,520
What if it's more likely that
they were right, that they were

952
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:14,480
demonic beings and that we are
then misinterpreting,

953
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,880
misinterpreting that and saying,
oh, it sounds like aliens

954
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:19,720
because that's what we're being
fed today.

955
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:24,000
And like, that is a very, very,
very good point, a very good

956
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,160
point.
We'd like to apply things that

957
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,800
are familiar to us, right?
So it's just possible.

958
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,200
Right.
Right.

959
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,280
And that that is very true.
I mean, people saw things flying

960
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,240
around in the sky back in the
day and they, they blamed it on

961
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:43,880
Dragons.
It very well could have been a,

962
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,760
a demonic figure in there, but
they applied the word dragon

963
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,320
because of the stories that were
being told back then.

964
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:57,160
We apply I mean there's areas of
the of our timeline where people

965
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:04,480
believe that they were witches
or vampires or back in the late

966
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,320
80s, nineteen 80s, it was the
great airship fleet that

967
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,000
kidnapped was spread across the
world.

968
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,360
You know, if you look at the the
descriptions of what they are,

969
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,520
they sound like modern UFOs.
But this was before the Wright

970
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:22,760
brothers ever really modernized
anything or even took off from

971
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,760
from the keys in in in North
Carolina.

972
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:33,760
This was the great airspace are
the great where there's there's

973
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,200
so many good books on this too,
where they where they I have a

974
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:38,320
type.
They're not already in your

975
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,000
hand.
Honestly, I should have.

976
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,440
I should have.
Well, just to be fair to Jake

977
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:47,200
too, like it it could have
easily have been, you know,

978
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,520
angels and demons coming down
here and the humans obsessive

979
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,560
need to apply logic and reason
to things that they can't

980
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,840
actually explain.
Right.

981
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,480
And going aliens, right.
Yeah, so.

982
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,800
Here's a couple books that I
have, The Great Airship Mystery,

983
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:10,920
A UFO of the 1890s by Daniel
Cohen.

984
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,560
This one The Great Texas Airship
Mystery.

985
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:21,000
This also refers to the same 19
or 1890s thing or mystery.

986
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:25,280
And then this one is solving the
1897 airship mystery.

987
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,080
I I can't remember the guy's
first name.

988
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,360
His last name was Bubsy Michael
Bubsy.

989
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,720
Interesting name.
Yeah, and there's there's a lot

990
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,440
of references into this of
exactly what I'm talking about

991
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,000
right now, where people refer to
these as other things.

992
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,960
And if anybody's familiar with
John Keel's work, specifically

993
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:50,240
in the book Operation Trojan
Horse and even referenced in

994
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,360
books like the Mothman
Prophecies or the 8th Tower, he

995
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:59,120
describes heavily the evolution
of what people were seeing.

996
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:04,160
We, you know, when, when we were
in World War 2, right before

997
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,000
World War 2, when the
Scandinavians were reporting

998
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:11,000
ghost rockets.
Well, you got to think what was

999
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,920
the, the big fear of World War
Two?

1000
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,440
It was the the German V2 rocket,
right?

1001
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:21,400
And they were, they were
concerned that these UFOs,

1002
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:26,280
what's that?
So this is a book that applies

1003
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:32,760
the idea of aliens into
religious texts and applies like

1004
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:36,440
like we get our information for
like our mystery schools and

1005
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:37,840
stuff from aliens.
It's like there's like this

1006
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,760
whole idea that Hermes tribe
Majestis was one of the Anunnaki

1007
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:42,880
as well.
Like they were like immortal or

1008
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:44,840
whatever.
But this one all goes through

1009
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,600
everything esotericism, all the
way through various

1010
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,400
spiritualities and religious
texts and applies the ideas of

1011
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:57,640
aliens and stuff to it.
So now that you've officially

1012
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:01,520
got me off track of what I was
just talking about, Whitley

1013
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:05,040
Strieber, the guy who wrote
Communion, also wrote The Secret

1014
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:10,240
School, Preparing for contact.
This also talks about a lot of

1015
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:15,440
the stuff that you were just
referring to there, CJ But there

1016
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,600
there is this evolution of
things, right?

1017
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:24,080
And it seems to correlate with
with modern terminology, right?

1018
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:29,200
The the the ghost rockets were
rockets because we feared the

1019
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:34,080
German V2.
Then the same exact phenomenon

1020
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:40,680
was was being described by the
ally other ally forces as Foo

1021
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:44,960
Fighters, but it wasn't
necessarily the terminology that

1022
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,920
we used to describe it.
It was it was the physical

1023
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,600
description of a lot of these
Foo Fighters as being blinding

1024
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,600
lights coming off of aircraft or
even metallic shaped craft.

1025
01:01:55,600 --> 01:02:00,200
This is when we started seeing
things that seem like they were

1026
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:05,720
trying to mimic our technology.
This was new turbine engines,

1027
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:09,560
not turbine engines, propeller
based engines on a lot of

1028
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:14,040
fighter jets, right.
So we saw them as slightly ahead

1029
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,360
of us.
Then we got into turbine engines

1030
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,680
and now the things that were
moving in what they were

1031
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,760
describing as something moving
similar to a turbine engine

1032
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:28,840
aircraft was now moving it in a
way that it was defying

1033
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:35,760
gravitational rules and laws.
And now, now that we're starting

1034
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,400
to play around with that with
the, the Blackbird and, and a

1035
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,760
couple other, let's, let's just
throw the TR 3B out there.

1036
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,040
It's hypothetical, but at the
same time, it's said to move

1037
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:52,040
more or less like what a
traditional black triangular UFO

1038
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,000
is said to move.
Now it's turning into

1039
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,200
disembodied lights or orbs,
right?

1040
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,920
Because that's another thing
that's another term that we're

1041
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:03,560
applying to it is orbs.
It's, I don't know.

1042
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:08,280
It's, it's interesting how we
get a lot of descriptions that

1043
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,280
match the time frame and where
they're from.

1044
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,920
And I think if we play that back
all the way back, we start

1045
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,960
seeing that this is really not a
new phenomenon.

1046
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,360
This something that's been
around for a long time.

1047
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,520
And yes, like what Jake was
saying was saying we're applying

1048
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,840
the terminology aliens to this
because that's the terminology

1049
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:31,280
that we've been given, right?
This is this is the the story

1050
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,680
that we've been told to push or
that has been pushed upon us.

1051
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:39,760
They really could be demonic
entities because we're not being

1052
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:43,400
forced angels and demons
anymore, right?

1053
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:47,840
We're being forced disclosure.
And we've talked about that a

1054
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,160
bit in the first portion of this
this episode.

1055
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:53,160
But I think that this is all is
really good evidence for that.

1056
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,920
Oh, I just want to.
I was kind of like digging

1057
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,840
around while you're talking.
Wasn't listening to anything

1058
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:05,040
you're saying the the I want to
Full disclosure.

1059
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,000
He was doing a lot of agreeing
with you, Jake.

1060
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,400
Full disclosure, unlike what
you're going to hear from

1061
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:14,800
anything that the Trump
administration has, the idea

1062
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:23,440
that demons gave the knowledge
of metal metallurgy and weaponry

1063
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:28,160
and sorcery and things like that
to early humans actually comes

1064
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:33,160
from the Book of Enoch, which
isn't considered Canon as far as

1065
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:38,920
like part of the Bible.
Although there's probably some

1066
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,040
good like information you could
pull out of there as far as like

1067
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,000
what was happening in ancient
days.

1068
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,240
But I think that it wasn't
included because it doesn't

1069
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:48,280
really.
Yeah, I don't know.

1070
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:49,600
I don't know why it wasn't
included.

1071
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,760
The best.
It was like, you know the.

1072
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,920
Medieval times and they turned
around and then decided not to

1073
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:01,200
canonize it because it it, it,
it like makes the rest of the

1074
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:04,160
Bible like weird because like
the rest of the Bible like lines

1075
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,040
up with each other.
And then, then, then there's the

1076
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,320
Book of Enoch, and it just kind
of like throws a wrench in the

1077
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,400
mix.
I think the book of Enoch is

1078
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:14,040
just an ancient text.
It's not necessarily having

1079
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:17,320
anything to do with the story of
the Bible, which is the main

1080
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:21,560
focus is on God, right?
It would be like, it'd be like

1081
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:29,000
if some major event happened and
the people that were involved

1082
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,640
were writing all this stuff
down, and meanwhile at the same

1083
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:34,400
time you had someone down the
street that was just documenting

1084
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,400
things that were in his own
personal journal.

1085
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,440
If you were to include that in
that story would make no sense.

1086
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:44,120
It'd be like, what does Dave
feeding his cat on Thursday the

1087
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:47,920
27th have anything to do with
the aliens coming down and, and

1088
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,200
talking to mankind, Right.
And so it's just like, it

1089
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:52,680
wouldn't make any sense to add
that to the the story.

1090
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,360
If you're making a documentary
in the same way you have the

1091
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:57,240
Bible, which is all these
authors talking about, they're

1092
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:00,560
walking with God and then you
have someone at the same time

1093
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:05,160
frame just journaling down stuff
that was happening during that

1094
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,720
time frame.
And so I think that's why it

1095
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:11,480
wasn't canonized.
However, in the Book of Enoch, I

1096
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:16,800
believe it's the demon Azazel is
teaching men.

1097
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,480
He's part of the fallen angels
or he's leading the fallen

1098
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:23,440
angels and he's teaching men how
to do sorcery and how, and

1099
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:27,240
teaching women how to dye their
their hair and put on makeup

1100
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:30,840
and, and change themselves and,
you know, deceive people and

1101
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:35,360
teaching, you know, people how
to go to war with each other

1102
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:36,920
using weapons and things like
that.

1103
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,800
Now, if you were to, that's pre
flood stuff.

1104
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:44,160
So if you were to take maybe, I
don't know, 1000 years of that

1105
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:51,000
or 2000 years of that and have,
you know, this extra, well,

1106
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:55,200
let's call it a paranormal
source, teaching people how to

1107
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:58,600
do things that aren't natural to
people, how to make things that

1108
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:00,840
aren't natural to them that they
wouldn't have come up with on

1109
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:04,320
their own.
How advanced could that society

1110
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,840
get with that sort of an
influence?

1111
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,880
So maybe when God looked at the
hearts of men and saw there was

1112
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,560
nothing but evil thoughts all
the time, it wasn't necessarily

1113
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,280
just because they were super
sinful and they're banging each

1114
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,200
other and doing all this sort of
stuff, whatever they wanted to

1115
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:21,160
do.
Maybe there's more to that.

1116
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:25,200
And maybe they were doing things
like building the pyramids and

1117
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:29,440
having, you know, this weird
like ability to like shoot

1118
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,920
resident, you know, having a
residence chamber underneath the

1119
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:33,600
Great Pyramid and things like
that.

1120
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:37,720
And then post flood, people just
moved into those areas and we

1121
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,120
just kind of attribute to them
and be like, yeah, the Egyptians

1122
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:43,640
totally made this.
And it's like, you think not the

1123
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:48,320
not the giants that were living
before the flood, you know, like

1124
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,000
not them, right.
Not the the demons with all this

1125
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,800
knowledge about the the universe
and the stars and all this sort

1126
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:56,920
of stuff and teaching men how to
do all this sort of stuff.

1127
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,280
It was definitely the Egyptians,
you know.

1128
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:04,360
And so it's like, I think that
there's a lot more to that, you

1129
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:09,080
know, like pre flood type stuff
before the the great wipeout

1130
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,840
essentially, right?
I think that people were

1131
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:15,720
probably way more advanced than
than folks give ancient people

1132
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,160
credit for.
I don't think that they were

1133
01:08:17,319 --> 01:08:20,279
living in cage caves and just
eating raw meat.

1134
01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:22,479
Like, they're probably way way
way advanced.

1135
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:26,359
All right.
I think we have to move on

1136
01:08:26,359 --> 01:08:28,960
because I have a feeling that
this next portion's going to

1137
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:33,439
going to going to cost us even
even longer explanation because

1138
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:37,439
there's some real ties into
modern or current events here

1139
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:41,800
that go outside of UAP
disclosure than I think that

1140
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:43,399
it's going to spark a lot of
conversations.

1141
01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:45,080
So let's move on.
You guys ready to go?

1142
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:46,800
Yep.
Yeah, I'm.

1143
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,000
Just very happy that Jake's read
the Book of Enoch.

1144
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,359
Parts.
Hey, hey.

1145
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:52,720
Some of it's better than none of
it.

1146
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:54,960
I just like that you expanded
out a little bit.

1147
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:58,439
That's awesome.
All right, we've arrived at the

1148
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:02,040
deep dive, and this week we're
talking about something that

1149
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:06,680
happened less than 24 hours ago
from the time of this recording,

1150
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,840
something that could
fundamentally change the UFO

1151
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:13,319
disclosure conversation.
President Donald Trump has

1152
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:18,160
ordered the declassification of
government files on aliens and

1153
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:20,560
UFOs.
This comes as an official

1154
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,720
directive issued on February
20th, 2026.

1155
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:25,960
However, this didn't happen to
Vacuum.

1156
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:30,160
To understand what Trump just
did, we need to walk through the

1157
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,200
timeline of the previous five
days.

1158
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:36,439
Because what we're witnessing is
a rapid fire sequence of events

1159
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,920
involving 2 presidents, a
revelation from inside the Trump

1160
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:43,560
family, and now a
declassification order that

1161
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:48,560
could reshape everything we know
about government knowledge of

1162
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,240
UA.
PS Let's start at the beginning.

1163
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:55,280
On February 15th, former
President Barack Obama appeared

1164
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:58,640
on No Lie with Brian Tyler
Cohen, a podcast hosted by

1165
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,240
political commentator Brian
Tyler Cohen.

1166
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,720
The interview covered a range of
topics, but toward the end,

1167
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,320
Cohen shifted to a rapid fire
question segment.

1168
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:13,880
The first question was very
direct quote Are aliens real?

1169
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:18,600
Obama's answer was 2 words.
They're real, he continued.

1170
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:22,160
But I haven't seen them, and
they're not being kept in Area

1171
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,240
51.
There's no underground facility

1172
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:28,480
unless there's this enormous
conspiracy and they hid it from

1173
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:29,800
the president of the United
States.

1174
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:33,040
Cohen then asked, what was the
first question you wanted

1175
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:34,600
answered when you became
president?

1176
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:38,000
Obama laughed and said, where
are the aliens?

1177
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,320
That was it.
The the segment moved on.

1178
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,440
Cohen didn't follow up.
He didn't press Obama on what he

1179
01:10:44,440 --> 01:10:46,360
meant.
The interview continued with

1180
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:51,320
other topics, but the clip
exploded online within hours.

1181
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,800
It had millions of views.
Mainstream media picked it up,

1182
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:58,520
UFO researchers dissected every
word, and the question everyone

1183
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,520
was asking was did a former
president of the United States

1184
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,400
just confirmed that aliens are
real?

1185
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:08,120
Less than 24 hours later, on
February 16th, Obama posted a

1186
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,720
clarification on Instagram.
He wrote Quote.

1187
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:14,720
I was trying to stick with the
spirit of the speed round, but

1188
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,200
since it's gotten attention, let
me clarify.

1189
01:11:17,480 --> 01:11:21,600
Statistically, the universe is
so vast that the odds are good

1190
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:25,440
there's life out there, but the
distances between solar systems

1191
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:29,560
are so great that the chances
we've been visited by aliens is

1192
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,320
low.
And I saw no evidence during my

1193
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,200
presidency that
extraterrestrials have made

1194
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,440
contact with us.
Really.

1195
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,960
Notice what he did.
He walked back the implication

1196
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,360
that he knows aliens have
visited Earth.

1197
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,680
But he didn't walk back the
statement they're real.

1198
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:51,360
He reframed it as a statistical
reasoning.

1199
01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:54,840
The universe is vast, so life
probably exists somewhere.

1200
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,760
But the clarification raised
more questions than the

1201
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,920
answered.
If Obama was just talking about

1202
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:06,080
statistical probability, why say
they're real so definitively?

1203
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,480
Why mention Area 51 in
underground facilities?

1204
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:13,840
Why joke that quote?
Where are the aliens?

1205
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:18,240
Was the first question we that
he wanted answered as president?

1206
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:20,960
The statement felt carefully
crafted.

1207
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:24,280
It gave Obama plausible
deniability while leaving the

1208
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:29,560
door open. 3 days after Obama's
statement, Laura Trump, the

1209
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,920
president's daughter-in-law,
appeared on the New York Post

1210
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:37,000
Pod Force One podcast host
Miranda Devine asked her

1211
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:40,120
directly, Do you think President
Trump is about to make an

1212
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:44,040
announcement about UF OS?
Because President Obama was just

1213
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:47,960
on a podcast talking about how
he believes in UF OS and hinting

1214
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,240
that he saw something when he
was president.

1215
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:54,000
Laura Trump's answer was
extraordinary.

1216
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:57,120
She said that she and her
husband Eric, had asked

1217
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,880
President Trump about UFOs and
that he, quote, played a little

1218
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,680
coy with them.
Then she said this.

1219
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:08,880
I've heard kind of around, I
think my father-in-law has

1220
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:13,000
actually said it, that there is
some speech that he has that I

1221
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,080
guess at the right time.
I don't know when the right time

1222
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,200
is he's going to break out and
talk about.

1223
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:23,520
And it has to do with maybe some
sort of extraterrestrial life,

1224
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,120
so to speak.
Let that sink in.

1225
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,920
The president of the United
States has a prewritten speech

1226
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:33,240
about extraterrestrial life, and
he's holding it for the, quote,

1227
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:37,840
UN quote, the right time.
Laura Trump didn't say this

1228
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,200
casually.
She framed it as something her

1229
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:44,440
father-in-law has said himself.
She said it on a podcast with a

1230
01:13:44,440 --> 01:13:47,640
national audience, knowing it
would be widely reported.

1231
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,440
The White House was asked about
this the same day.

1232
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:54,320
Press secretary Caroline Leavitt
said a speech on aliens would

1233
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:59,080
be, quote, very exciting and of
great interest, but that it was

1234
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:02,440
news to her.
So the official line was that

1235
01:14:02,440 --> 01:14:04,840
the White House doesn't know
about such a speech.

1236
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,120
But Lara Trump's statement
stood.

1237
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:11,040
And then on February 20th, Trump
made his move.

1238
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:17,080
He posted on Truth Social quote.
Based on tremendous interest

1239
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:21,120
shown, I will be directing the
Secretary of War and other

1240
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:24,280
relevant departments and
agencies to begin the process of

1241
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:27,400
identifying and releasing
government files related to

1242
01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:32,040
alien and extraterrestrial life,
unidentified aerial phenomena or

1243
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:37,840
UAP, and unidentified flying
objects, UFOs, and any and all

1244
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,880
other information connected to
these highly complex but

1245
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,280
extremely interesting and
important matters.

1246
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,840
A sitting president just ordered
the Pentagon and other federal

1247
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:50,400
agencies to declassify files on
aliens and UF OS.

1248
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:54,600
But there's more to this story.
Earlier in the day on Air Force

1249
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:57,280
One, Trump was asked directly
about Obama's statement.

1250
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:02,040
Fox reporter Peter Doocy asked
him about quote, UN quote, non

1251
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,480
human visitors.
Trump's response was pointed.

1252
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,040
Quote, I don't know if they're
real or not.

1253
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:10,640
I can tell you he gave
classified information.

1254
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:12,440
He's not supposed to be doing
that.

1255
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,600
He made a big mistake.
He took it out of classified

1256
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:19,400
information, Trump continued.
I don't have an opinion on it.

1257
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:21,920
I never talked about it.
A lot of people do.

1258
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:26,280
A lot of people believe it.
I may get him out of trouble by

1259
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:30,160
declassifying.
Hours later, he issued the

1260
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:32,640
directive.
So let's be clear about what

1261
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:36,480
just happened.
Trump accused Obama of

1262
01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:39,400
disclosing classified
information by saying aliens are

1263
01:15:39,400 --> 01:15:41,520
real.
And then Trump used that

1264
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,720
justification to order
declassification.

1265
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:48,600
This is either brilliant
political maneuvering or

1266
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:52,480
something much more significant.
Let's think through what Trump's

1267
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:54,440
order actually entails for a
minute.

1268
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:58,080
He's directing the Secretary of
Defense and other agencies to,

1269
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:01,400
quote, begin the process of
identifying and releasing files.

1270
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:05,400
That language is important.
It's not an immediate release.

1271
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:09,000
It's the beginning of a process.
What does that process look

1272
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:10,240
like?
We don't know.

1273
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,920
Trump didn't specify a timeline.
He didn't say what information

1274
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,880
would be released or when.
But the fact that he issued this

1275
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,640
directive at all is
unprecedented.

1276
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:24,760
Past presidents have made vague
comments about UF OS Obama joked

1277
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:28,000
about it on late night TV.
Bill Clinton talked about

1278
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,760
checking on Roswell.
Jimmy Carter filed a UFO report

1279
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:34,920
before he became president, but
no sitting president has ever

1280
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:38,160
issued a formal directive to
declassify government files on

1281
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,480
this topic.
So what happens next?

1282
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,040
Well, there's a few
possibilities.

1283
01:16:43,440 --> 01:16:46,000
Scenario 1.
Limited disclosure.

1284
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:50,560
The Pentagon releases files that
confirm UAP are real, that

1285
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:54,000
they've been tracked for
decades, and that their origin

1286
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,960
is unknown.
They acknowledge that some

1287
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:00,320
objects demonstrate capabilities
beyond human technology, but

1288
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,320
they stopped short of confirming
recovered craft, biological

1289
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:07,840
entities, or ongoing contact.
This would be significant, but

1290
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:12,000
it wouldn't be earth shattering.
It would essentially formalize

1291
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:16,400
what we already suspect based on
congressional testimony and

1292
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:19,000
Pentagon reports.
Scenario 2.

1293
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:22,600
Moderate disclosure.
The government confirms the

1294
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:24,200
existence of recovered
materials.

1295
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:28,240
They acknowledge that analysis
suggests non human

1296
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:30,520
manufacturing.
They admit that reverse

1297
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:34,120
engineering efforts have been
underway but haven't yielded

1298
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,760
breakthrough results.
This would be a major step.

1299
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,480
It would confirm that the US
government possesses physical

1300
01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:43,800
evidence of non human
technology, but it would still

1301
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:48,400
leave the door open on questions
about contact, communication, or

1302
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,800
the nature of whatever
intelligence is behind these

1303
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,320
objects.
Scenario 3.

1304
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:57,480
Full disclosure.
The government confirms that non

1305
01:17:57,480 --> 01:18:01,080
human intelligence exists.
They reveal that contact has

1306
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:04,560
been established.
They disclose the existence of

1307
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:08,160
recovered craft and potentially
biological entities.

1308
01:18:08,440 --> 01:18:12,160
They explain what has been
learned and what remains

1309
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,280
unknown.
This is the scenario that would

1310
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:19,000
fundamentally change everything.
This is what Full disclosure

1311
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:20,720
looks like.
Which scenarios?

1312
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:24,040
Most likely That depends on what
the government actually knows

1313
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:25,760
and what they're willing to
admit.

1314
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:28,920
But here's what we can say with
confidence.

1315
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:32,640
Trump wouldn't have issued this
directive unless he's prepared

1316
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:36,120
to release something.
He's a political animal.

1317
01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:40,200
He understands optics.
If he orders declassification

1318
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:43,240
and nothing significant comes
out of it, it makes him look

1319
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,880
foolish.
It makes the directive

1320
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:49,840
meaningless.
But then again, we have seen

1321
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:54,240
this come from some other modern
cases.

1322
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:57,880
So either he knows there's
something substantial to

1323
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:03,000
release, or he's confident that
even limited disclosures will

1324
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:07,560
satisfy public interest and
allow him to claim he's being

1325
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,200
transparent.
Now let's also talk about the

1326
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:13,800
politics of this Trump accused
Obama of disclosing classified

1327
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:15,880
information.
That's a serious charge.

1328
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,600
If true, it could be a legal
issue for Obama.

1329
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:21,080
But it's also a political
maneuver.

1330
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:24,240
By framing Obama's statement as
a breach of protocol, Trump

1331
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:27,920
positions himself as the one
who's going to fix the problem

1332
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:32,360
by declassifying properly.
It's genius in a way.

1333
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:35,120
Trump gets to look like the
transparent president while

1334
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:38,800
simultaneously attacking Obama.
He gets to own the disclosure

1335
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:42,720
narrative, and if disclosure
happens on Trump's watch, he

1336
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,440
becomes the president who told
us the truth.

1337
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:50,120
That's a legacy defining moment.
But there's another angle here.

1338
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:52,840
Lara Trump said the president
has a speech repaired.

1339
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:56,680
If that's true, and if Trump is
planning to give that speech,

1340
01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:00,680
then this declassification order
might be setting the stage.

1341
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:03,360
You don't give a major
presidential address without

1342
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:06,440
evidence to back it up.
If Trump is planning to tell the

1343
01:20:06,440 --> 01:20:09,640
American people that aliens are
real, he needs the Pentagon to

1344
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:11,880
release the files that support
that claim.

1345
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:16,240
So let's be disciplined about
what we actually know.

1346
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:21,400
We know Obama said they're real
on a podcast, then clarified he

1347
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,360
was talking about statistical
probability.

1348
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,080
We know Laura Trump said
President Trump has a prewritten

1349
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:28,640
speech about extraterrestrial
life.

1350
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,360
We know Trump accused Obama of
disclosing classified

1351
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:34,520
information.
We know Trump has now ordered

1352
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:37,120
the declassification of
government files on aliens and

1353
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:40,200
UFOs.
What we don't know is what's in

1354
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:43,280
those files.
We don't know what will actually

1355
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:46,880
be released, We don't know when
it will happen, and we don't

1356
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:49,400
know if Trump will give a
speech.

1357
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:53,840
But the trajectory is clear.
The disclosure conversation has

1358
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:58,280
shifted from if to when.
Institutions are preparing,

1359
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:01,680
presidential statements are
accelerating, and now a

1360
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,240
declassification order has been
issued.

1361
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,200
Jake.
CJ, final question.

1362
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:11,360
Do you think Trump will actually
release significant information,

1363
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:14,200
or is this just a political move
that will result in the Pentagon

1364
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,720
releasing files we've already
seen?

1365
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:21,920
Follow up question, how long has
it been since the Trump

1366
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:25,280
administration said they were
going to declassify and release

1367
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:27,760
all of the Epstein files?
Damn it, you're jumping into it

1368
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:28,920
too.
Too fucked quick, yeah.

1369
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:31,080
I'm.
Just saying no, no, no.

1370
01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:37,280
It's, it's a solid question
because I made reference to it

1371
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:42,760
in the script.
OK, When I said that if he

1372
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:46,200
doesn't, if he doesn't come
through with this now, he's

1373
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:48,800
going to be basically labeled a
liar, right?

1374
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,280
This is something that we've
seen before.

1375
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:55,560
That's how I, I stated it.
What I was referring to was the

1376
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:59,520
Epstein files.
I'm not, no, I'm not saying that

1377
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:04,000
he would do so nefariously.
I'm saying that just because he

1378
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,920
says it does not mean that the
FBI and the CIA and the and

1379
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:12,000
Arrow and all these federal
agencies are going to play ball

1380
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,240
and they're going to release all
the stuff, right?

1381
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:18,640
They might release what they
feel like they should and push

1382
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:20,760
back against it and just back,
no, that's all you're going to

1383
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:22,400
get.
And at the same, and then on the

1384
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:25,480
other side of that, we
constantly say black budget

1385
01:22:25,480 --> 01:22:29,560
programs, black budget programs,
they can't release information

1386
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:33,160
that they don't have access to.
So you give a FOIA request to

1387
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:35,320
the federal government, say,
tell us about the aliens.

1388
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:38,600
And Lockheed Martin has all the
information about the aliens and

1389
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:40,520
they're not going to be like,
well, this is what we got.

1390
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:42,520
We see them on FLIR footage.
And then it's going to be like,

1391
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:46,200
OK, now what?
You can't force a private entity

1392
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:49,760
to then just willingly give up
information if they're not being

1393
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:53,440
requested to do so or being told
that they have to in court,

1394
01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:57,760
right?
So I don't believe that there's

1395
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:01,920
going to be some crazy like
there could be, but I don't

1396
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:04,560
believe there's going to be some
crazy information that's put out

1397
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,520
just because the Trump admin
says to do so.

1398
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:11,920
Because so far they're giving us
what they have.

1399
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:13,680
And it's not great.
It's not much.

1400
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:17,640
CJ.
I'm with Jake.

1401
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,560
I think it's a huge SIOP in
order to cover up the shit that

1402
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:22,160
we actually want to know about,
right.

1403
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:23,880
Nobody gives a fuck about these
aliens.

1404
01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:28,160
If you, if you look ever since
ever, ever since ever since they

1405
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:30,840
they started talking about
disclosure, the general public

1406
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:33,760
opinion was who gives a shit?
We want the Epstein files,

1407
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:39,200
right?
So I'm kind of on Jake's side.

1408
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:42,120
This is, this is a psyop.
They're trying to distract us

1409
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,120
with something to get us off
target.

1410
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:47,600
Because there's lots of people
who are going to go to jail

1411
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:50,640
higher higher up here.
I mean, look at the UK just

1412
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:54,640
arrested Prince Andrew, right?
So it's only a matter of time.

1413
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:58,720
And if, if they can make a big
deal out of aliens, if they can

1414
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:02,160
manage to somehow miraculously
make the general public give a

1415
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:07,160
shit about this alien stuff,
then they can distract us from

1416
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:09,160
the Epstein files.
I'm with Jake.

1417
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:10,560
I'm with Jake.
I look.

1418
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:14,560
I, I want if the aliens are
going to present themselves and

1419
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:17,600
they're going to do it
regardless of, of what the

1420
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:20,440
president or the president's
administration says.

1421
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:24,400
But then again, there's people
that are high up on that list

1422
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:27,720
that might die soon and I'd
rather see him get hung before

1423
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:29,560
they just die naturally, you
know what I'm saying?

1424
01:24:31,480 --> 01:24:37,000
This is it's yes, yeah.
They're half injustice, right?

1425
01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:40,880
Yeah, I kind of got into my
feelings a little bit yesterday

1426
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:46,120
during my interview with Coco
and kind of touched on this too.

1427
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:49,240
And I, I've really, I don't
think I've really talked about

1428
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:51,320
this very much on on this
podcast.

1429
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:53,760
And since this episode will be
coming out before the Coco

1430
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:55,960
interview, I'll just say it
again.

1431
01:24:56,680 --> 01:25:00,880
I fucking hate pedophiles.
Like it's, it's absolutely

1432
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:05,080
fucking disgusting.
And I'm, I'm actually, you know,

1433
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:09,400
for the guy who who really
strives for disclosure, the guy

1434
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:13,000
who wants answers, the guy who
literally obsesses over this

1435
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,560
shit.
I'm kind of pissed off that it's

1436
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:20,440
coming at this time.
Like I'm, I'm 1 foot in with you

1437
01:25:20,440 --> 01:25:24,360
guys and 1 foot out.
I, I think that that we are

1438
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:27,360
going to get stuff.
I don't know how truthful it is.

1439
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:30,320
I don't know how much it's going
to be we're going to get stuff,

1440
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:38,200
but I think it's as they're
trying they're they're trying to

1441
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:42,080
I I'm having a brain fart on
what the term is, but they're

1442
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:45,440
trying to get you to look over
here while other shit happens

1443
01:25:45,440 --> 01:25:47,720
over here and they're trying to
distract you.

1444
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:49,160
It's.
Like a sleight of hand.

1445
01:25:49,440 --> 01:25:50,600
Yeah, it's like a sleight of
hand.

1446
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:54,680
Exactly right.
Because my dumb ass will

1447
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:57,240
absolutely be like, dude, show
me the fucking aliens, let's do

1448
01:25:57,240 --> 01:26:00,200
this, right?
Yeah, that's going to be me.

1449
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:06,560
But at the same time, like I'm
really pissed because I know for

1450
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:11,440
a fact that depending on what
they put out, if it's actual

1451
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:18,040
mind fucking information, right?
Something about extra, extra

1452
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:22,600
dimensions or whatever, right?
I feel like this is them

1453
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:26,240
bringing out the big guns in
order to to successfully

1454
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:31,120
distract the world from
something like the Epstein files

1455
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:34,080
and us all calling for our
leaders to be hung.

1456
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:36,880
Let me let me play devil's
advocate for a second.

1457
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:44,080
Now it is possible that two big
events can happen at the same

1458
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:45,840
time.
It's not.

1459
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:50,240
It is in the vastness of the
multiverse.

1460
01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:55,880
I'll say it is possible for two
massive things to exist in the

1461
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:59,240
exact same space at the exact
same time, which could be alien

1462
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:02,120
disclosure, and it could be the
Epstein files.

1463
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:06,480
I didn't necessarily mean when I
made that statement that the

1464
01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:09,840
Epstein files were the
distraction or this the aliens

1465
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:11,080
were distracted for the
Epstein's files.

1466
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,880
But yeah, sure.
I mean, yeah, I mean it probably

1467
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:16,080
is, but what I meant I'm.
Saying that.

1468
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:21,120
What I what I actually meant was
along the lines of, hey, we're

1469
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:24,520
going to give you guys the
flight logs and we're going to

1470
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:27,960
give you guys The Client List.
So we're going to give you guys

1471
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:29,840
all this sort of stuff.
And who was it in the Trump

1472
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:33,600
admin who like a year ago was
like, I have the file.

1473
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:35,480
It was a lady.
She's like, I have the files on

1474
01:27:35,480 --> 01:27:37,560
my desk.
We're going to give them out.

1475
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:41,160
They're ready to go.
And then like probably tomorrow

1476
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:43,600
afternoon, you're going to get
all of it right.

1477
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:46,840
And then they had some social
media influencers come to the

1478
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:50,080
White House and they gave them
binders full of new information

1479
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:54,160
that was less information that
was already publicly released.

1480
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:57,840
And then a month later they're
like, what happened with you

1481
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:00,400
saying that you had the files on
your desk?

1482
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:03,120
She's like, well, I didn't mean
that they they were actually on

1483
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:04,720
my desk.
That's not what I meant.

1484
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:07,640
It's like, what do you what you
said that verbatim, you said the

1485
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:10,800
files are on my desk.
They'll be released tomorrow

1486
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,480
afternoon at the latest.
Well, that's not what I meant,

1487
01:28:13,480 --> 01:28:16,600
right?
I'm just saying that that in

1488
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:19,080
itself is a serious freaking
thing.

1489
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:22,520
And it's just getting delayed
and delayed and delayed and

1490
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:27,240
delayed and delayed because
there's other entities involved

1491
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:30,280
in the government and they are
unwilling to allow that

1492
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:33,080
information to get out, probably
because they know people that

1493
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:35,400
are going to that are on that
list or they're on that list,

1494
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:37,400
right?
They're quickly redacting as

1495
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:39,920
much as they can while it's
slipping out of their fingers

1496
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:44,520
and getting out.
But what I mean is that he might

1497
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:49,040
say, and he might be 100%
serious, Epstein files are going

1498
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:52,840
to get released, presidential
order, release all everything

1499
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:56,720
that we have on this, you know,
Sicko and everybody that was on

1500
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:58,960
his client list and let's see
them come to justice.

1501
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:03,160
And he might be 100% and say,
let's release everything that we

1502
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:07,360
have on UFOs and Uaps and aliens
and extraterrestrials and blah,

1503
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:09,360
blah, blah, all this
interdimensionals, everything

1504
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:11,640
like that.
But the fact that there's other

1505
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:17,120
agencies involved that as we saw
in his first term, don't want to

1506
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:19,360
play ball.
And here we are in a second

1507
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:22,200
term, they don't want to play
ball just because he says that

1508
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:26,440
they are more than happy placate
and to push back.

1509
01:29:26,440 --> 01:29:28,920
And even if they get called in
front of Congress and they get

1510
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:31,800
subpoenaed, they just give non
answers.

1511
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:35,040
Did you know that you're
violating a presidential, you

1512
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:38,840
know, decree and they're going
to be like, well, you know, it's

1513
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:40,840
not necessarily that we were
violent.

1514
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:43,760
No, it's a yes or no question.
Well, you know, it's, it was a

1515
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:47,840
Tuesday and I plead my 5th
offend and it's just just

1516
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:49,840
nonsense.
And they just filibuster and

1517
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,120
filibuster and filibuster until
somehow they walk out the door

1518
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:53,240
and they don't slap cuffs on
them.

1519
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:59,760
So it's just, all I'm saying is,
is that he, I believe that he

1520
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:02,960
serious about this, that he's
not just saying it just to say

1521
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,600
it and that he wants the
information too.

1522
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:08,600
If there is any.
I don't see why the, I don't

1523
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:13,200
know why a government agency or
entity would give the president

1524
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:15,400
that information.
The guy's going to be here for

1525
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:18,040
like 4 years or eight years.
And then we got to just hope he

1526
01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:20,200
keeps his mouth shut.
It's just, it's not going to

1527
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:21,600
happen, right?
Well, I don't think the

1528
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:24,240
presidents get, get involved in
this sort of stuff and they

1529
01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:26,600
don't, they're not, you know, if
there is information, they're

1530
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:30,160
probably not told about it
because people talk all the

1531
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:34,000
time.
Just like Obama in this podcast.

1532
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:37,800
If he did reveal classified
information, oops.

1533
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:40,400
You know, it's like, now, what
are you going to do?

1534
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:42,160
You going to hang him?
You're going to try him for

1535
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:45,440
treason or something like that.
You know, it's like, what are

1536
01:30:45,440 --> 01:30:47,800
you going to do?
I don't think that they would

1537
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:52,160
give some guy who's sitting in
a, in a seat for four years the

1538
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:55,840
keys to the Kingdom, so to speak
on everything that occurs.

1539
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:59,160
No, absolutely.
So I, I, so I don't think that

1540
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:02,640
he, I don't think he knows.
And he might be genuine in

1541
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:04,960
saying like, hey, let's find out
all the information.

1542
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,600
But that's not that's not to say
that the agencies aren't going

1543
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:10,400
to just lie and say, oh, there
is none.

1544
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:17,880
Sorry, I definitely I definitely
agree that most presidents if

1545
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:20,800
there was any information would
not have been given the keys to

1546
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:25,400
to disclosure or understanding
of what actually is going on

1547
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:29,280
because of the sense that they
are not permanent fixed

1548
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:31,240
positions inside the government,
right?

1549
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:34,280
This they are temporary and IA
100% agree with you.

1550
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:40,880
I'm not pointing to Trump and
saying that Trump is doing this

1551
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:43,280
for any particular reason right
now.

1552
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:48,040
I'm looking at the whole picture
is happening because of shit.

1553
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:52,840
All of the run up coming up.
I feel like especially right now

1554
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:58,480
we are being given this
compressed bundle of information

1555
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:02,240
from Obama, Laura Trump and
President Trump.

1556
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:07,120
And there's a reason for it.
Not necessarily that Trump is

1557
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:11,880
the guy That's, that's either
going to be the person to give

1558
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:16,840
it to us or that he's failing to
give us other information or

1559
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:18,200
whatever.
Right.

1560
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:23,240
And I understand the whole
ecosystem of the, the

1561
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:26,240
government, right, how entities
don't play ball with other

1562
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:28,840
entities.
And there's shady ass characters

1563
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:33,640
that just don't want to be hung,
which I, you know, we need to

1564
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:40,960
fish those fuckers out.
But it's the whole build up from

1565
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:44,640
2020, right?
All the way from COVID to now.

1566
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:49,400
I feel like it's one large
script and we're just, we're

1567
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:53,480
starting to get so much of this
condensed information, right?

1568
01:32:53,480 --> 01:32:55,920
It's all being piled up right
now.

1569
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:59,760
Like over the last couple
months, the amount of

1570
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:02,200
information that we have been
given, the amount of teasers,

1571
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:05,240
the amount of trickling that
we've been getting hasn't has

1572
01:33:05,440 --> 01:33:08,760
turned from trickling to now a
stream of information.

1573
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:11,240
And I'm not going to be
surprised that within the next

1574
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:15,600
week we're sitting here again
talking about the the next few

1575
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:19,720
stupid things that came out that
are pointing towards this is

1576
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:21,840
happening.
There's some real shit coming

1577
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:23,600
out.
I'm willing to bet next week

1578
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:29,960
I'll have more news, information
of some crazy shit that was put

1579
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:32,600
out either by President Trump or
by somebody else.

1580
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:37,400
And it's just we're going to see
this pile up real fast.

1581
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:43,520
And I think what we're heading
towards the absolute pinnacle of

1582
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:46,560
this topic, and I think it's
going to come out, something is

1583
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:49,160
going to come out.
Something is going to happen if

1584
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:51,240
it's in the form of Project
Bluebeam.

1585
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:54,080
Turns out Epstein was an alien.
Oh no.

1586
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:59,320
I honestly, I don't think the
president actually is anything.

1587
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:03,280
I think he's just a, a figure
for adults to squabble over

1588
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:06,360
every four years.
And he was distracted while like

1589
01:34:06,440 --> 01:34:09,520
actual other people run things.
But I also don't think the

1590
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:13,080
president knows that, right.
So like he's sitting there like

1591
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:15,240
give him the Epstein files and
they're coming over.

1592
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:17,920
Like sure, you and all your
friends are in there and he's

1593
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:19,960
like oh shit, give him the
aliens.

1594
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:26,920
I that's a good possibility it
it is and I I agree with the

1595
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:29,800
first half for sure that he's
just a figurehead, that he

1596
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:33,080
doesn't really control shit.
He doesn't do shit.

1597
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:35,600
He doesn't do shit.
Billionaires and trillionaires

1598
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:38,520
and secret.
I don't think he's in shit.

1599
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:42,320
Any president, I don't think any
president has ever really

1600
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:46,360
truthfully had, at least in the
modern times, like the last 50

1601
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:49,280
years, has had a say in
anything.

1602
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:52,880
I think that they're, they are,
they're figureheads and all they

1603
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:59,040
are is they're, they're, they're
mouthpieces for whatever thing

1604
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:01,200
is behind them.
Maybe Jeff's been influencing me

1605
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:04,360
too much.
It sounds like I'm I'm talking

1606
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:06,280
from Jeff's mouth, I mean.
I.

1607
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:09,920
Mean maybe, but I honestly think
I think that and I think that,

1608
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:13,400
but I don't think the president
knows that or even like, this is

1609
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:16,680
a JRE the other day and he and
he said that like he thinks like

1610
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:19,320
when a new president gets
elected, they March him into a

1611
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:23,000
room, show him what actually
happened to Kennedy and they go

1612
01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:26,000
understand.
And he's like, yeah, I was just

1613
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:29,080
kidding.
Rogan's podcast, you know, So

1614
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:32,160
like, maybe he does know that
he's not shit, right?

1615
01:35:32,440 --> 01:35:35,240
But I'm, I'm pretty convinced
that he thinks he's the

1616
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:37,320
president.
He thinks he's running shit and

1617
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:40,480
he's not, you know, and he
really is.

1618
01:35:40,480 --> 01:35:43,360
He's just like, it's, it's the
people who are actually in

1619
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:44,800
charge are like, yeah, give him
that.

1620
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:46,880
Give him that.
It's that's the biggest

1621
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:49,880
distraction in this country.
That is the biggest distraction

1622
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:52,680
in this country.
I think the FC files are the

1623
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:55,280
closest that we've ever got to
those puppet masters.

1624
01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:59,400
Keep in mind you just said that
it that he's a mouthpiece for

1625
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:01,000
the billionaires and the
trillionaires.

1626
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:03,520
Don't forget that he is in fact
a billionaire.

1627
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:07,000
So he runs with those people.
So he might actually be the only

1628
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:11,840
president we've ever had that is
actually running stuff and not

1629
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:14,480
just a mouthpiece because.
But The thing is, is like.

1630
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:18,200
He's a guy, right?
It's, it's, it's a thought like

1631
01:36:18,440 --> 01:36:23,720
so those people, those are the
people who whose money we know

1632
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:25,280
about.
Those are the people that we

1633
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:29,040
think are the richest people.
We don't know who the richest

1634
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:30,920
people are.
Those people who actually

1635
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:33,520
control that kind of wealth.
We don't know who they are.

1636
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:35,720
We don't know how much wealth
they have, right?

1637
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:39,800
That's a very tight knit group.
They're very, very quiet, right?

1638
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:43,720
And even at even on that level,
like Trump doesn't have Elon

1639
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:45,920
Musk's money, doesn't have Bill
Gates's money.

1640
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:50,400
You know, he's a little fish in
that very large pond of 1

1641
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:53,200
percenters, right?
And then beyond the one

1642
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:57,920
percenters are all the people
who actually have the wealth and

1643
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:02,240
they're running the stuff.
So I, I, I still like, yeah,

1644
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:08,360
like he's rich, but he's not
that rich in comparison to a lot

1645
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:10,560
of other people.
Yeah, that's fair.

1646
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:13,120
I, I think he's up there.
I do.

1647
01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:21,280
And I, I, I think he had more of
a, of a independent voice it

1648
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:24,560
during his first term.
There's things about this term

1649
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:26,920
that are just kind of not
sitting with me very well.

1650
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:34,960
And I've to be completely
honest, it has most of it has to

1651
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:38,200
stem from this fucking MC file
fiasco.

1652
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:45,520
You know, I, I really wish, and
I understand, Jake, that it's

1653
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:50,040
the whole ecosystem of, of the
DoD and, and the, and the

1654
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:52,480
government that they don't play
well together.

1655
01:37:52,480 --> 01:37:57,320
And then when you throw
contractors in there, it only

1656
01:37:57,320 --> 01:38:01,080
gets worse.
I completely understand that.

1657
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:04,360
But I mean when when?
We're talking classification, A

1658
01:38:04,360 --> 01:38:07,760
secrecy classification above the
president like he has.

1659
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:13,520
There's like a tear, There's
like tears, and then above the

1660
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:15,160
president shit he's not allowed
to see.

1661
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:17,520
It's it's.
If there if there's a

1662
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:21,200
classification the president
can't see, then he's not

1663
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:24,120
actually in charge of shit.
It's well, hold on, because it,

1664
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:26,160
it, it's, you got to be careful,
right?

1665
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:34,320
The president is also subject to
a need to know, OK, if, and

1666
01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:39,280
that's kind of where Jake's
argument was.

1667
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:44,080
You know, when you throw in the
contractors and everything, it's

1668
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:48,160
not necessarily that there's
anybody above him, but on

1669
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:51,120
certain topics there is the
president, doesn't it?

1670
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:54,480
It's just like any other top
secret level.

1671
01:38:54,480 --> 01:38:56,800
It's not.
You don't have a top secret

1672
01:38:57,120 --> 01:39:00,800
clearance and all of a sudden
you can see all top secret stuff

1673
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:02,840
well.
Here I'll give you a really good

1674
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:06,040
example.
The Seals going in and killing

1675
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:10,280
bin Laden, right, Right.
They didn't tell Obama that they

1676
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:15,000
were 99% sure that bin Laden was
in this bunker with his nephew,

1677
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:18,240
who is his complete and total
bodyguard, until they had all

1678
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:21,200
the information right and saying
this is the game plan.

1679
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:23,640
This is what we're going to do.
This is how we're going to do

1680
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:25,680
it.
And that's when he needed and.

1681
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:27,640
That's when he needed No, he
didn't.

1682
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:31,160
They he wasn't purview to the
two years of planning up until

1683
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:32,920
that point.
Watching him waiting for a

1684
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:35,840
perfect time to strike and take
this mother effer out.

1685
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:41,880
He was informed the day before,
hey, we got to do this now,

1686
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:45,400
right type stuff because he's
the president and he needs to

1687
01:39:45,400 --> 01:39:48,040
know that sort of stuff.
But it's not to say that he

1688
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:52,240
didn't have access to it or he
couldn't have requested it, but

1689
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:54,400
when you're also GET.
Denied.

1690
01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:59,520
Well, I'm sure he could, you
know, but I think that he has

1691
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:02,080
given the information that he
needs to know, of course, when

1692
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:05,600
he needs to know it, not all of
the information all the time,

1693
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:07,200
because who could even contain
that?

1694
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:09,360
That's why the the federal
government so.

1695
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:12,040
Compartmentalize, like Jeremy
just said, right?

1696
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:15,320
They all have their own scope.
And then through that they divvy

1697
01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:19,320
out, you know, into many smaller
sections to control, you know,

1698
01:40:19,480 --> 01:40:21,760
whatever.
In the same way we'd see in the

1699
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:24,960
in the Navy, right?
There's of course the Department

1700
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:28,280
of Defense is covered by whoever
it was Lloyd Austin when I was

1701
01:40:28,280 --> 01:40:31,640
in, and now it's Pete Hegseth.
And then it goes down the chain

1702
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:36,520
of command from there until you
get into the individual bases

1703
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:39,240
and the individual sections of
the base and then the individual

1704
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:41,440
commands.
And then and, you know, and this

1705
01:40:41,440 --> 01:40:43,640
command here is in charge of
search and rescue.

1706
01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:46,960
And this command over here
we're, you know, doing gun ships

1707
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:48,360
and running them into the Middle
East.

1708
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:51,880
But we're both flying MH 60s
because it's compartmentalized

1709
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:55,360
into what our scope is, right?
It's all like that.

1710
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:58,480
You can't have all of that
information all the time.

1711
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:01,040
What are the big things?
Who's going to try to nuke us

1712
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:02,800
next week?
Is that, you know, is that a big

1713
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:04,320
thing?
All right, you know, I'm going

1714
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:08,000
to know about that.
You know, I, I don't think that

1715
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:11,320
he just has access to all that
information all the time until

1716
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:13,560
something really major is going
to happen.

1717
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:18,480
And unfortunately, he could
request it, but he either might

1718
01:41:18,480 --> 01:41:24,240
get denied or, you know, they
might just lie and just be like,

1719
01:41:24,240 --> 01:41:26,360
no, sorry, there's nothing here.
I don't, I don't know.

1720
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:28,680
I don't know what those crazy
people are talking about.

1721
01:41:28,680 --> 01:41:32,480
You know all we got to do.
So what I just looked up here

1722
01:41:32,480 --> 01:41:36,160
said the president does does not
have any specific security

1723
01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:40,280
clearance, but the president and
vice president can see any and

1724
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:43,640
all classified information
that's Google and I think that's

1725
01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:44,960
bullshit.
I'm pretty calm.

1726
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:46,880
It isn't.
That is, there's an entire,

1727
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:50,120
yeah, there's an entire section
of the governments like the

1728
01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:52,720
president does not get to see
this because this is what's

1729
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:54,200
actually happening and fuck
that.

1730
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:56,840
Guy, it's.
You're looking at it from the

1731
01:41:56,840 --> 01:42:01,000
wrong point of view, from the
correct and wrong, right.

1732
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:04,360
So it's not that there's a whole
section of the government, it's

1733
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:07,960
that all sections of the
government have aspects of their

1734
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:11,040
job that are, that they're all
working on.

1735
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:15,160
And it's not until the president
has the need to know whether,

1736
01:42:15,240 --> 01:42:18,920
because what's the president's
number one job, right?

1737
01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:22,040
It's the commander in chief, OK,
He is.

1738
01:42:22,040 --> 01:42:23,880
Take verbal abuse from the
public.

1739
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:26,880
Well, I mean, he's, he's
supposed to be the head head of

1740
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:29,840
the country and mostly it's the
protection.

1741
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:32,240
And then of course, there's the
economic side of things.

1742
01:42:32,240 --> 01:42:34,120
But just to stay on the
protection side of things.

1743
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:38,520
It doesn't he doesn't have a
need to know for, for this

1744
01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:44,320
information until he has the
need for the know, right.

1745
01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:52,480
It's also similar to the the the
Sect F, right?

1746
01:42:52,480 --> 01:42:55,760
Hex F is also a temporary
position.

1747
01:42:55,920 --> 01:43:00,240
It's not fixed.
It changes all the time, right?

1748
01:43:00,240 --> 01:43:03,200
Sometimes it changes more than
more than every four years.

1749
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:09,760
OK, Nothing gets brought to him
until he has the need to know.

1750
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:13,920
There's compartmentalized
departments below him that are

1751
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:16,560
all working on things that he
has no idea about.

1752
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:21,520
It's only when he comes forward
and says, hey, I have Intel on

1753
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:24,560
this.
Who can fill in the gaps?

1754
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:27,560
Then they come forward and say,
here's your gap fillers.

1755
01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:31,600
Now we could go and we could
strap him into a chair and

1756
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:34,360
torture the shit out of him and
be like, yo, where's that where

1757
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:37,560
the alien cheeks at?
And he may not and he may not

1758
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:39,040
know.
He's like, dude, they don't

1759
01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:40,400
exist.
What the fuck you talking about?

1760
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:44,040
But really below him there is a
department that is completely

1761
01:43:44,440 --> 01:43:46,640
compartmentalized.
And just like all their all

1762
01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:49,360
departments, they're not talking
to each other.

1763
01:43:49,440 --> 01:43:51,240
So there's no way that's going
to get out of it.

1764
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:55,640
But until we have an actual
legitimate reason for him to

1765
01:43:55,640 --> 01:43:58,960
know something, he's not going
to be brought into loop.

1766
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:03,000
He's not going to have the need
to know until there is a reason

1767
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:06,120
for it.
So could that be happening right

1768
01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:09,440
now?
Could the need to know be making

1769
01:44:09,440 --> 01:44:11,760
its way up the chain of command
to the president?

1770
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:15,120
Yes, it could be, right.
Is it likely?

1771
01:44:15,880 --> 01:44:18,360
Probably not.
I'm just saying that if it

1772
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:22,120
smells like shit, looks like
shit, and sounds like shit.

1773
01:44:22,480 --> 01:44:25,680
And tastes like it too.
And tastes like shit and then

1774
01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:30,280
it's then it's probably just
them trying to say, hey, we have

1775
01:44:30,280 --> 01:44:33,080
something cool over here for you
to look at while we're doing

1776
01:44:33,080 --> 01:44:36,160
this other shady ass shit.
That's what it sounds like to

1777
01:44:36,160 --> 01:44:37,880
me.
Could it be the other way

1778
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:38,760
around?
Yes.

1779
01:44:38,760 --> 01:44:41,560
Only time will tell.
But even even when it actually

1780
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:45,880
comes out, are we going to sit
here on camera next week or the

1781
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:49,880
week after or or the week that
it happens and all agree that

1782
01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:52,120
this is legitimate information?
Fuck no.

1783
01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:55,520
Right, right.
We're all going to be sitting

1784
01:44:55,520 --> 01:45:00,000
here having our points to talk
about and it's going to be rade

1785
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,440
a entertainment and everyone in
the comment section is going to

1786
01:45:03,440 --> 01:45:06,600
go off and tell us how stupid we
are because that's what we get.

1787
01:45:07,400 --> 01:45:11,360
It's going to be just like those
those aliens from Peru or

1788
01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:13,200
wherever they're they're from or
back on me.

1789
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:15,360
The Tridacles.
Miles.

1790
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:21,160
I, I, I think that, that that's
absolutely, that's just a little

1791
01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:23,400
bit of that trickling of
information that I was talking

1792
01:45:23,400 --> 01:45:28,960
about, like the, you know, the,
the Peruvian seed, the Peruvian

1793
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:32,800
tridactyl seed was planted a
couple years ago when we first

1794
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:35,640
talked about it.
And now it's being brought up

1795
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:39,160
again because now they
automatically have all this DNA

1796
01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:42,200
analysis and, and X-ray and, and
MRI.

1797
01:45:42,480 --> 01:45:47,000
Obviously DNA technology and
Mris didn't exist three years

1798
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:50,200
ago, but it does now.
And now we're getting, you know,

1799
01:45:50,200 --> 01:45:52,680
now we're getting all the
fucking information about, hey,

1800
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:54,760
this isn't just chicken bones
tied together.

1801
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:58,120
This actually looks like it's,
it's biological joints.

1802
01:45:59,440 --> 01:46:02,200
Something's going on, man.
Analysis is fucking bullshit

1803
01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:06,560
too, you know Somebody recently
swabbed A bearded dragon and

1804
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:09,680
sent it in to 23andMe and got
back a whole genetic profile

1805
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:14,080
that came up human so I.
Mean there are there are bearded

1806
01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:17,960
Dragons from Germany.
I mean, you go to some

1807
01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:21,200
Germantown, I'm sure somebody's
got a bearded dragon in their in

1808
01:46:21,200 --> 01:46:23,520
their living room.
Yeah, because it came from

1809
01:46:23,720 --> 01:46:33,080
Australia, but originally.
But but no, no, that's all

1810
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:34,440
nonsense.
And didn't they, didn't they

1811
01:46:34,440 --> 01:46:37,080
prove that those tridactyls were
fucking fake anyway?

1812
01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:39,480
No, they were like, no, that's
their dolls and.

1813
01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:41,360
All so this is how I know that
you have not.

1814
01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:43,560
All been.
Listening to Infinite Rabbit.

1815
01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:46,480
Hole right about this.
I have to.

1816
01:46:46,480 --> 01:46:48,640
I have to catch up on some
episodes of The Rabbit.

1817
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:50,480
Yeah, yeah, I do.
It sounds like you need to catch

1818
01:46:50,480 --> 01:46:55,240
up on a lot of it.
Listen, I've been listening to

1819
01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:57,920
Theo Von and Joe Rogan.
All right, cut me a break.

1820
01:46:58,360 --> 01:47:00,720
Jeremy will die on that hill.
Trust me, I've tried.

1821
01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:04,720
Shane Gillis.
All right, What do you think?

1822
01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:06,080
We're all done?
What do you think, guys?

1823
01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:07,840
Yeah, I don't know.
Two hours later.

1824
01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:10,840
I'm not.
I'm not going to hold my breath

1825
01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:15,800
on alien disclosure and I'm not
going to hold my breath on the

1826
01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:23,120
entire Epstein thing coming out.
It is crazy.

1827
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:25,080
They arrested press Prince
Andrew.

1828
01:47:25,480 --> 01:47:27,320
That was pretty wild.
I saw that.

1829
01:47:27,320 --> 01:47:29,400
I posted that on my Facebook
feed because I was like holy

1830
01:47:29,400 --> 01:47:31,840
crap.
This I have to distract you.

1831
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:35,040
Now we just need that shit to
come over here to the states.

1832
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:38,440
We need them to start arresting
fucking high, high-ranking

1833
01:47:38,440 --> 01:47:41,320
people over here.
I mean, it's, it's nice to see

1834
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:42,960
that we're.
Not We're not going to have a

1835
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:43,920
government.
Left.

1836
01:47:45,120 --> 01:47:48,680
That's probably the best thing.
That's probably the best thing

1837
01:47:48,680 --> 01:47:51,400
for us, I mean.
We'll be real with you and.

1838
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:55,040
Then China marches in like fuck
you guys in your Epstein files.

1839
01:47:55,040 --> 01:48:01,440
This is our land now.
If it happens that the US

1840
01:48:01,440 --> 01:48:05,240
government collapses because of
the amount of people that are

1841
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:08,480
getting prosecuted for the
Epstein files, it'll be a worthy

1842
01:48:08,480 --> 01:48:09,640
collapse.
It will be.

1843
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:11,560
Just to see those oh.
Absolutely.

1844
01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:13,160
They're not.
They're not just fucking kids.

1845
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:15,720
They were eating them too.
I hope you guys saw that.

1846
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:17,720
Yeah, I hear that.
You know.

1847
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:21,400
South Park where they have a
good on South Park where they

1848
01:48:21,400 --> 01:48:26,240
had who's the guy that played
Superman that got paralyzed and

1849
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:29,920
he's like eating, eating fetuses
and stuff.

1850
01:48:30,480 --> 01:48:32,080
It's like eating their stem
cells.

1851
01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:35,440
It came out several years ago.
Here we are.

1852
01:48:35,440 --> 01:48:39,480
No, yeah, but yeah, I mean,
legitimately like if if we

1853
01:48:39,480 --> 01:48:44,200
nailed every single one of them
for for hurting these children,

1854
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:48,520
our government would collapse.
How many of them, how many of

1855
01:48:48,520 --> 01:48:51,200
them are in there?
You know, I don't know it it

1856
01:48:51,200 --> 01:48:54,040
would be an insane time.
It would be an insane time.

1857
01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:56,920
Dude, I'm telling you I don't
give a shit.

1858
01:48:57,240 --> 01:49:02,440
Red, blue, gold, I don't fucking
care. 100% with you, I'm just

1859
01:49:02,440 --> 01:49:03,960
saying that that's what will
happen.

1860
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:08,280
Pedophiles that are, you know.
A winchom.

1861
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:10,360
Absolutely.
Bring back Lynch, Bobs.

1862
01:49:10,360 --> 01:49:11,560
We're going to go get those
guys.

1863
01:49:12,440 --> 01:49:14,960
Yeah.
I mean, I'm not going to get

1864
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:18,640
into all that because it's going
to get us demonetized, but

1865
01:49:21,280 --> 01:49:23,120
definitely.
This whole episode, it's just

1866
01:49:23,120 --> 01:49:26,040
going to be like, anyway, so.
Beep, beep beep beep.

1867
01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:27,280
This is.
Going to beep telling everything

1868
01:49:29,240 --> 01:49:31,040
that we're.
Saying it's just beeping and

1869
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:33,920
then once in a while we hear
Jake's like it's demons and.

1870
01:49:34,480 --> 01:49:39,160
Yeah.
The algorithm likes biblical

1871
01:49:39,160 --> 01:49:40,360
stuff.
Beep, beep.

1872
01:49:40,360 --> 01:49:41,800
Beep beep.
Fine.

1873
01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:45,640
Does anybody have any last words
before I sign this out?

1874
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:48,200
It's good to have CJ.
Have red rockets.

1875
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:50,440
The aliens?
Possibly, yeah.

1876
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:52,600
No dude, they're definitely
hanging Dong if.

1877
01:49:53,840 --> 01:49:57,040
Anybody.
Anybody's confused warhammers?

1878
01:49:57,760 --> 01:50:00,280
Yeah, they're definitely hanging
Dong, bro, I'll tell you.

1879
01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:02,640
If anybody's confused to the
reference, you guys get to see

1880
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:06,080
the OR listen to the very first
episode that CJ ever did with us

1881
01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:10,400
as he was a host on the Crypto
Technical Podcast coming on and

1882
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:13,160
guesting on the Infinite Rabbit
Hole where we talked about dog

1883
01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:18,040
men and whether or not they have
red rockets or giant meat

1884
01:50:18,040 --> 01:50:20,920
hangers.
On this day, the only one to get

1885
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:22,480
censored on the infinite rabbit
hole.

1886
01:50:23,440 --> 01:50:28,480
Aliens have are hanging gross,
slimy scaly Dong.

1887
01:50:28,720 --> 01:50:29,680
OK.
All right.

1888
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:36,600
So that's it for the So that's
it for this week's fringe news

1889
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:38,480
briefing.
We covered a lot of ground

1890
01:50:38,480 --> 01:50:40,680
today.
The El Paso UFO incident on

1891
01:50:40,680 --> 01:50:43,600
February 10th where Texas
officials tried to close an

1892
01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:46,360
International Airport for an
hour but initially planned for

1893
01:50:46,360 --> 01:50:50,960
10 days in response to what
appears to be a UAP activity and

1894
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:52,480
widespread cell phone
disruptions.

1895
01:50:52,480 --> 01:50:56,280
The official explanation of an
uncoordinated Pentagon anti

1896
01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:58,600
drone test raises more questions
than answers.

1897
01:50:58,920 --> 01:51:01,720
Police chiefs from America's
largest cities releasing

1898
01:51:01,720 --> 01:51:04,680
statements on the first official
law enforcement guidance guide

1899
01:51:04,680 --> 01:51:09,120
to UAP, warning that these
objects, quote, pose significant

1900
01:51:09,120 --> 01:51:13,160
safety risks to police
helicopters 17 months after it's

1901
01:51:13,160 --> 01:51:16,880
released.
It's being reframed as part of

1902
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:19,640
soft disclosure.
And then we went deep on what

1903
01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:23,760
happened in the last week.
Barack Obama saying, quote,

1904
01:51:23,800 --> 01:51:28,400
they're real about alien life on
February 15th, Trump revealing

1905
01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:30,800
that President Trump has a pre
written speech about

1906
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:33,000
extraterrestrial life on
February 18th.

1907
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:36,560
And then on February 20th, Trump
ordered the Pentagon to begin

1908
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:39,720
declassifying government files
on aliens and UFOs.

1909
01:51:40,040 --> 01:51:42,440
So what do you think?
Is Trump going to release

1910
01:51:42,440 --> 01:51:45,360
significant information?
Is this the moment disclosure

1911
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:48,800
actually happens?
Or is this a political move that

1912
01:51:48,800 --> 01:51:50,920
ends with files we've already
seen?

1913
01:51:51,320 --> 01:51:54,200
Leave a comment.
Find us on Facebook, Instagram X

1914
01:51:54,200 --> 01:51:56,840
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I want to hear your thoughts.

1915
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:59,840
If you enjoyed this episode, hit
that subscribe button and leave

1916
01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:03,000
us a rating and review.
It really helps more people find

1917
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:05,200
the show.
Next week, another briefing,

1918
01:52:05,280 --> 01:52:08,480
more stories from the fringes,
another deep dive into something

1919
01:52:08,480 --> 01:52:11,640
the mainstream won't touch.
Until then, keep questioning,

1920
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:14,560
keep investigating, and remember
the most important mysteries

1921
01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:17,640
aren't the ones we've solved,
they're the ones we're brave

1922
01:52:17,640 --> 01:52:20,120
enough to ask.
This has been an infinite rabbit

1923
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:22,040
hole.
I'm Jeremy Social with Jake and

1924
01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:25,360
CJ, and until next time,
travellers, we'll see you right

1925
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:28,120
here in the next fork in the
path of the infinite rabbit

1926
01:52:28,120 --> 01:52:29,720
hole.
Bye everybody.

1927
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:32,040
Maybe aliens have cloacas.
Bye.

1928
01:52:32,440 --> 01:52:34,240
No.
How about that?

1929
01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:36,960
I got to get.
I got to get a different shirt.

1930
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:39,080
Finger.
This fucking thing.

1931
01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:45,480
Hey everybody, thanks for
checking out the Infinite Rabbit

1932
01:52:45,480 --> 01:52:47,560
Hole podcast.
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1933
01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:50,760
our stuff, head on over to
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1934
01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:53,440
can find links to all the
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1935
01:52:53,440 --> 01:52:57,000
available on and even our video
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1936
01:52:57,000 --> 01:52:58,880
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While you're there, make sure to

1937
01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:01,880
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1938
01:53:01,880 --> 01:53:04,960
you know when all the new stuff
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1939
01:53:05,200 --> 01:53:08,840
And until next time, travelers,
we'll see you right here in the

1940
01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:11,360
next fork in the path of the
Infinite Rabbit hole.

1941
01:53:12,120 --> 01:53:12,360
Bye.