Legends of The Deep- The Kraken

0:03 Hey guys. This is Drew Schmidt from the random anything and you're listening to the infinity Rabbit Hole. Yeah. I've been listening to you guys for a while. Now I got exposed you guys from Asher's from Wednesday. We talk weird. Keep up the great work, love it.

1:29 Welcome back to infinite Rabbit Hole. I'm your host Wes here to lead. You on our journey where we delve into the legends of the deep, which will hopefully be the beginning of a new series for us covering many different creatures of the ocean that brute space, these stories of old and some even based in science. And fact, today, we are covering the legend of the mighty crackit, which may be one of the most famous and well-known, out of all the tales that originated at sea.

2:31 Today, we have with us. Jacob, how you doing today? My back hurts, but I'm here and I'm ready to hear about the Kraken and hear what you see what you cover it. I know Jeremy and I kind of got into the crack and when we were talking about the Bermuda Triangle, a little bit but like their version of the crack and so I'm stoked to see what else there is. There's there's a lot and also at the same time, not a lot that makes sense. It was a lot to go through, to be honest but it's next. We have Jeff Jeff man. Yo what up, how are you doing?

3:17 I'm doing good man. Actually just took a shot of cracking prior to this, not even knowing that you were Being that the Kraken. That happens to be what I'm sippin on at the moment as well. I might have to skedaddle out of here while you're doing one of these paragraphs and grab me one real quick. But yes, I'm good. I'm ready. Let's go cracking. Elias and last but certainly not least. We have Ken's are, how are you doing today? I'm pretty pretty good. Actually, how about you Wes? I'm doing pretty good. I'm tired here, but I'm feeling good. I'm ready to talk about it.

3:58 That's good. I'm excited. I like cracking. Yes. Yeah. Cracking the the creature and the liquor is to my favorite things. I want to feel included. I'm drinking a Monster which some would consider the Kraken to be a monster. So there we go. Very true, I'm not a drinker but I gotta go Stack Up. There you go. It's about as close to cheers to that. People still do crazy things. I like that. You have the picture behind you right now. Oh yes. How are you doing this on this program? I tried to do it last episode we record. Excuse me.

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5:34 So yes, we are covering the Kraken and you know, for me the ocean has always been something that's held a special place in my heart. You know, growing up in Florida, right next to the ocean. I mean, I was literally within walking distance of the beach and then, you know, once I graduate high school and join the Navy, you know, going on deployment, like I loves being out to sea and it's still one of my Fondest Memories of my time in the Navy, and It's always fascinated. Me wondering what all maybe just below the surface you know because there's still a ton that we don't know about the oceans and what's still down there.

6:18 You know, waiting to be discovered. What are you guys? How do you guys feel about about the ocean as a whole, dude. So I have this Theory. I'm sure is not my theory but you know, I feel like there's probably a super Advanced civilization down there. You know, giant machines and like, in the abyss. Yeah, yes, if this is a documentary, there's Gotta Be Where It's At least. Got to be like an entrance into the hollow Earth or something down, you know, down in the depths. But yeah, there's probably all kinds of crazy shit down there. Yeah. That this is one of my all-time favorite movies. I love that movie. So good.

6:59 This up here. I mean, so there used to be the legends of like the giant squid, right? And then what I like 20 years ago, they found that there actually is a giant squid, like a forgot how big the thing was, but it was discovered a new type of squid. That's apparently the biggest thing squid they've ever seen in their, you know, in the history. And I mean, it's something like that can just go undocumented for so along with stories and legends to back it up. Then I can't see why there wouldn't be the crackin or you know the Kraken is very wide term for many different types of sea creatures.

7:46 Depending on, you know, location and where it's at, its kind of all summed up into the Kraken, right? And that's popularize through, I think Oh was it Clash of the Titans? And then there was the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise they had the Kraken and stuff and they both looked different and But honestly if there's something as big as the giant squid and blue whales and all kinds of stuff and those are at a level that we can get to, then I don't know. You know, the Marianas Trench is gigantic and it's super deep, but I've heard that it's not the deepest trench that's in the ocean or it could not be that.

8:33 It's just the deepest discovered trench in the ocean. So what is truly down there, right? We've probably, I think we've discovered five percent of the ocean and the animals in it. So sure. I mean, why not, why couldn't there be, you know, maybe it maybe, or they were at one point, right? That there was some sort of a fact behind all the, the myths and legends. So yeah, it doesn't bother me one bit to think about it. I personally don't like the ocean because I like to be able to see what's underneath me when I'm swimming. So I swimming in Florida was Not bad because you know you could see 100 feet away from you but generally speaking you know especially here on the West Coast. It's really dirty water so you can't really see underneath you so it's just like a nope, I'm good. Okay, so your it's not that you don't like the ocean. Is that you don't like knowing what's in the ocean? No, I yeah, I just don't like the mystery of what's around me and not necessarily even like sharks. Like I don't want to step on a broken piece. Glass when I'm going up to the into the shore, you know, something like that.

9:44 It's just all kinds of stuff. I don't want to step on a dirty needle, you know, because I'm in California, it's just, you know, whatever it maybe I just like to be able to see. And so for that reason, I don't, you know, really go in there very much except for, when I was in the Bahamas, I did some snorkeling. There it was pretty cool. Yeah, yeah. It's a beautiful down there for sure, crystal clear water. Mmm, it's amazing. Oh yeah. That's why. I like I don't necessarily swimming them because they're really cold but the most of the rivers and some of the Lakes up here like crystal. Clear. So that's why I like swimming in The Lakes because for the most part I can see what's underneath me.

10:28 The ocean to me, I love the ocean. I'm from Alberta where there's just Lakes, barely any lakes. So when I moved to the West Coast and I had the ocean and my back Yard. I thought it was the coolest thing and the ocean out here is gross. I want, I don't want to go anywhere near it. I just like looking at it. The deeper, the water, the more afraid of it. I am. But I am so fascinated by what's going on in the ocean. Like Jake said, I think it's only like five to seven percent of the ocean. That's actually been discovered and it covers 70% of our planet. That is an incredible stat to me, and it just blows my mind and I, the ocean is so fascinating, but so terrifying. All at the same time.

11:20 Yes, So unknown, when you guys have like off your Coastline, are you in like western Canada? Yeah. So you have caddy off the shores and in The Lakes you have the Ogopogo. So either way, you know, if you can't see what's around you, you're going to get eaten by an SE like, um, honestly, I what I want. Like, I said, I don't want to go anywhere near it. I just like to look at it. I'll walk down the pier, and I'll stand on the pier. And I'll watch the fish in the water, but that's about as far As I'll go yeah, yeah, ever since I was a kid, like going into the ocean or even any large body of water like if I'm ever at a point where like I looked down and like I'm in water cheap enough that I can't see the bottom that like gives me the heebie-jeebies, you know.

12:08 Like I just like you know, it's a massive pucker Factor going well sometimes Ted, you know and you know it's not necessarily related to the Kraken but you know, having seen As a kid. Yeah. Like I just had that on irrational fear that, you know, there's something that is going to like grab me or whatever, you know you want to know what it was for me stingrays. Okay. I was like I think ten or eleven was when Steve Irwin died and I thought he was the coolest guy ever and then a stingray killed him. And I was like, nope, I'm out. The ocean is not for me. I was that point I had never seen the ocean before. Or my life.

12:52 So I was literally just thinking the same thing that in jellyfish because I've been stung by a few jellyfish. Yeah. Like, you know, they weren't terrible. It wasn't like a hospital trip or anything like that, you know, but it was still sucked, you know. And I can see it until it was on me and Tangled Up. You know. I'm just like this is garbage. Yeah, yeah. Stingrays are really cool. Just yeah. I the way apparently, how case was a chat to I mean, I've grown up in Florida, I'm sure Jeff Gannon. Can back me up on this. But like in Daytona, we had a jellyfish season and we had a shark season. We called it more like a shark week, but like jellyfish season, literally, the beaches are just completely covered in jelly fish that washed ashore and whatnot, and there's just like they're everywhere in the water. You can't like, going to water without touching one, you know? And I've been in the water, you know, like surfing or just hanging out at the beach and like, had it, you know, Well, I think the worst was I got stung by like, for jellyfish at once one time.

13:56 And if like like said, it's not like the worst thing. Like I don't, I didn't need to go to hospital or nothing but it's just very uncomfortable and it's just a very irritating pain that like takes a long time to fade, beasting it. Pulsates and it, it doesn't feel good, but it's not like, oh no, I'm dying. But it's like, man, I really wish I hadn't have had that happen. Yeah, you gotta pee on it. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm all out of When it happens, you know, just how it works, you know. Yeah. Up here to pee and get stung by jellyfish and I'm all out of P. Yeah. But also, you know, you know, growing up surfing, there was times like shark, like what we called Shark Week was sharks, would follow, you know, they're the fish that they eat into like, knee-deep water, you know, during certain times of the year Year. So you could literally be in needy waist-deep water and OB sharks in the water.

14:56 And I've literally been, like, just like waist-deep water felt something brush up against my leg. I look down and I see the, you know, the tale of a shark swimming away. And I'm just like, oh, awesome, cool. All right. Okay, that is super cool to me, though, you know, Works don't scare me like they do most people. I mean, they kind of freak me out but like, I don't know, it's more. The idea of what they could do rather than when I actually see one. Oh, yeah. Don't get me wrong. I'd be nervous. But like that would be pretty kind of cool. Personally say fresh-caught shark the other day. Hell yeah. Cousin went fishing. Five minutes from here and caught a bonnethead shark and we fried it up. Delicious. Yeah.

15:36 I'm trying to catch a leopard shark down here in SoCal. That's my goal before we leave this area is to get a leopard shark. Anything over three feet and you can you can take it home with you and just got tipped off on the where to do it and what bait to use that I've been doing. In the wrong spot with the wrong bait. And I was like, oh, they're like you're over there. You're over here, right? I'm like, yeah, they're like, what bait are using. I was like a, like mackerel. I think, and he's just like, oh yeah. He's like you are in like the prime area for leopard sharks. You need to start using shrimp. He's like, I don't care. Go to the grocery store, get some raw shrimp thrown on your hook and hook it out there and I guarantee you snatch one like 20 minutes. Yeah, I'm like, man, I spent hours days. Yeah.

16:21 My dad, and our neighbors. On the street. We lived on used to go fishing all the time on the jetty down at Ponce Inlet in Florida and they would catch shark all time Shovelhead freaking I think they even caught like a small hammer head. One time I forget what other sharks there are. But I mean, typically, they're only like three feet or so, you know, the and the ones that I've seen the water brush up against my leg, no more than three maybe four feet. No, right. Not enough to like give you a life-threatening injury but enough to deal. Some decent damage. Enable some toes. Yeah, yeah.

17:01 But you know most shark don't they don't care for our Taste of our meat, you know, they'll bite thinking, we're something else and then realize, oh no, I don't like you like, oh and then going our way, you know. So there's at least that kind of Peace of Mind in a way you're not going to get eaten. But you'll bleed to death depending yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Solace. A thank you. Thanks. You have to worry about like going down the gullet, you know, drowning in a shark's mouth or some shit, you know. That was an irrational fear of mine as a kid. So hmm, Food For Thought, afraid of the shark that was in the pool only. It was only in the whole day when nobody else was around. Yeah.

17:48 Just nine the pool. I'm literally so glad you said that because I had that I wasn't going to bring it up because it sounds so dumb, you know. But like you're in the pool by yourself and then I don't know in my mind. Yep. You know, and I'm just like, I'm out, you know, the first Ace Ventura movie where he jumps where he falls inside the tank because he thinks, you know, snowflake is in the tank. Dragon around. So, I dad, I mean, grew up on that sort of a comedy and stuff, you know, Monty Python, although all those really funny movies, right? And yeah, I mean, that was a classic in that Owens household. And we had, my parents had a swimming pool in their backyard and they also showed us Jaws when we were like eight. Right?

18:31 So, so yeah, we go Night Swimming because in Fresno, California, it's, you know, middle of summer. It's 110 outside at Night. Right? So we're doing some night swimming or whatever and are maybe like 100 or 90 or something, but it's still hot, but yeah, my dad would sit there like when we were kids like you be like done. Yeah. Dun dun dun dun, we can't see anything. It's pitch, black outside and then he goes down and grabs her legs and just starts dragging her own stuff and it was all fun and stuff. Yeah. When no one else was around. There was absolutely a shark in there like 100%. I'm like thanks. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, talk about movies that scarred scarred, Kids for Life.

19:13 My parents took me to see Arachnophobia at a drive-in theater. When I was like, candy, I had been like, six, or seven or something. And I just I'm terrified of spiders to this day. I can't deal with it. Like, it's I gotta get my wife, man, fucked me up. I got to shut the bathroom door. I have this weird irrational fear of plants in water in general. It doesn't matter what kind of body. You water it is if there's like I just generalize it all is seaweed but yeah like I don't know if they're if I can see the plant in the water I'm out. I'm not getting in that water. I don't know what it was exactly. But I was like an eight-year-old kid and I watched this show it was one of those Teletoon late at night horror shows and it was like a cartoon of a chick going swimming and then getting grabbed by a piece of seaweed and drag Down. And I was like, that is the end of swimming in water with plants.

20:14 I'm not getting dragged down into the water by seaweed. I think, in hindsight is ridiculous. But yeah, some legit fear I have for me, was the, the original blob movie. There's a scene. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's like the 70s, but there's a scene where this guy he's like, looking over a big old kitchen sink, like in a, like a restaurant kitchen, right? Big old giant sink and Hear something inside the drain. So he's like, looking over it and then this big old pink blob. Monster grabs, his face and pulls him into it and you can see like the pipe underneath expanding and blood spraying out of it and stuff. I watched that movie and I was like ten and I was scared to take a shower for years, my goodness, our parents and you know what, I'm more than likely going to do, the exact same thing to my kids. Because it's just so continues.

21:09 The cycle can see your whole childhood and not be scared. What is this? Yeah, I want to hear about the crack and now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's uh, let's get back to the crack and so I want to ask you guys in your mind. Like when you think of the Kraken what do you picture in your mind? Like what is what is a crack in represent or serpent idea? It, it's giant serpent being yeah. Like a like a wall. Serpent like a water dragon, bro. Like I think of I like Chinese depiction of a dragon, you know, like they're like long with the legs and all the other than just but they're like serpent, that's kind of guy, I think of okay. The image I conjure up in my head is a is a giant squid but the whole idea of the Kraken to me every time I hear cracking. I just think of death honestly.

22:16 It's fair. Well actually I go straight to the the life of me. I can't remember that the name of it was with the the Bahama version which is the shark with the tentacles for legs. So I have it written down somewhere but it's Lusca. Yeah, that's it. Well, that's good. Let's go or something like that. Yeah, that's what I think about. If I had to rationalize it, it could just be a massive shark that was eating an octopus or squid and it was seen by somebody and they just put two and two together out of fear, you know, Mind Playing Tricks and be like it was a shark head with tentacle arms or whatever.

23:01 But yeah, that's what I think about something something crazy. Something that probably doesn't exist. But you know, well why not? Well I mean a lot of things that, you know, there's old tales about theirs. Only some truth in them in some form or fashion, you know, and we'll get into that with the Kraken for sure, but, you know, sea monsters have played a prominent role in myths and legends, most seafaring, cultures on Earth and with such inspiring ocean, biodiversity, it's not difficult to see why and there's probably no legendary sea monster as horrifying as the Kraken. According to stories, this huge many armed creature could reach as high as the top of a sailing ships mainmast And a kraken would attack a ship by wrapping their arms around the hall and capsized in it.

23:50 The crew would either drown or be eaten by the monster. And what's amazing about the stories is that of all the sea monster tails, you know that we have There's the Kraken has the best evidence that it was based on something real. But before we get into that, let's talk about the origin of these Tails. So if any of you had to guess, you know, where the Kraken originally originated it, what would you, what would you guess that Curiosity? Because lace. Yeah Atlantis. What if it came from Atlanta is how do we know about it to this day? We do a lot of stuff from Atlanta. That's a different episode tune in next week. What about you cans are?

24:41 Honestly, I, for whatever reason, I feel like it's like a Japanese story or some sort of Asian type story, Asian culture type story. They always seem to have some really cool stories. So, okay, you know, for me, I've never really honestly thought about it. I just remember, you know, reading about it or whatever and books when I was a kid and whatnot or scene, In movies, you know, like Pirates of Caribbean, which was awesome. Depiction in my mind of what a cracking was. But when I found out where it originally, you know, originated from, I was honestly blown away because it originates in Scandinavian folklore, which is pretty badass, in my opinion, you know. Interesting.

25:34 I think, you know, Norse mythology, and all that is pretty, pretty epic, but it was first mentioned in a manuscript. Written in the year 1180 and it was written by a Norwegian, King named Kings fair. I'm gonna go ahead and apologize to the listeners now because there's a good chance I'm going to butcher to hell and a lot of these names and words because you know, I don't speak that language or anything like that. So I'm glad apologize up front for for any of the mispronunciations, but It's written in this manuscript and then it was also mentioned again in an Icelandic.

26:16 KERO Sagar called though the or of our aadhar again probably pronouncing it wrong but that date all the way back to the 13th century and in that Saga, it was given the name half gufa which roughly translates to either. Siri corsi steamer do to it using its own vomit as chummy bait to attract prey fish, you know. So it was told that See, you know the ocean steaming you know as like they didn't know what it was at the time, it's believed that it was vomiting up whatever chumming the waters, the drawing its prey and then you know eating them and it was even depicted as consuming whales ships and men and this tale.

27:05 But there's also another creature I'm not going to get too much into it but there's a second creature that was Was of equal, size roughly, but was depicted as something completely different from the Kraken or half gufa however, you want to pronounce that, but it was called the Ling Bakker which translates to Heather back. And you know, when I first read that, I was like, what the hell is Heather? Apparently that's a low-growing evergreen shrub. But according to the Saga, the Ling Bakr would Seafarers by posing as a Heather covered Island. And when a crew landed on its back, it would sink into the sea driving the crew. But getting back to the the Hoff Buffa or however you pronounce that in the Saga.

27:54 It was said that this creature was so large that a ship could sail through its open, Jaws which appeared to be nothing more than rocks and these Tales sound Fantastical and are truly entertaining. But you know what could have inspired these Tales, could have been a real live in the flesh creature. Well hopefully we could provide some insight to that in this episode. Now, the Kraken is usually depicted as an aggressive cephalopod by creature. For those wondering what a cephalopod is see the like a squid or octopus invertebrate. Sea creature. And perhaps the largest monster ever imagined by mankind, capable of destroying entire ships and dragon Sailors to Doom the exact description varies from story. To story, Storyteller to Storyteller and Details. Such as the number of tentacles in the color of skin often change, but there are always a few things that remain a constant in these Tails one.

28:48 It's a giant monster too. It has a huge terrifying, mouth, three lives in the sea and for comes out from the depths to destroy ships, and eat unsuspecting Sailors. And these Tales, they don't end in Norse mythology, there are many cultures around the world that have a myth or legend about a tentacled sea monster as large as an island capable of engulfing and Sinking any ship from ancient Greece where Aristotle who lived in the 4th Century, BC, describe the large squid, which he called to 'this sing sing it from the smaller squid. I guess that they knew about called to this or instead of a I don't know how to pronounce this. It's, I probably should have looked it up again before the started episode, but it's a different spelling, but seems the same to me.

29:39 But There's also plenty the Elder who living in the first century ad, describe the gigantic squid in his natural history with the head as big as Cass arms, 30 feet long and carcass Wayne 700 pounds. Of course they didn't have pounds and feet back then but you know roughly translate it from these Tails. That's what they would equate to and then there is the creatures called Scylla and Charter Des that Homer wrote about in The Odyssey, which, you know, that's Greek tale. And then they're like a Jake was talking about earlier the lusca and the Caribbean.

30:25 And in Japan, they even have their own version, that's called the Quorum. You boy, chorim, oy1 to say that's how it's pronounced and then there's even the another version in New Zealand, which I'm not even going to attempt to pronounce this. You know, I'll get a good of a shot but I'm guessing to Wicket. Mutual Runge apologizing. So any new There's out there that may be listening, but yeah, but it's let us know how to how to actually say that if that's the gift for real please. But I find it fascinating that all these different cultures around the world have similar descriptions of this creature. But these these, you know, these cultures didn't have a connection with one another at the time, you know? How is it that there?

31:24 Are these different cultures around the world have such a similar description of this creature? You know, could it be that they are all seeing the same, the same animal? The same creature? It's hard to say, but I think that their most logical answer would be that they're seeing, they're seeing the same animal I think so. Yeah, I mean everything in our society. Has that same kind of thing to wear. I mean, freaking agriculture pops up around the world and when these people can't well as far as we know, they weren't connected or sailing across the oceans although that might not be the case.

32:10 But yeah I think that these I think all these beings existed on some level like Giants or Cryptids, you know, the Kraken whatever it is. It definitely existed in my opinion way before. Like the last ice age or during the last. I actually remember, they were talking about the Box Saga, that whole area land, that wasn't affected like who may be in there. I don't know, but it makes sense that those stories would carry on and then be spread around the world by, whatever ancient civilization that, you know, gave us all the math and the things, you know. Yeah. 100%, I mean, I think the most logical thing is that they're all seen. the same creature, they just You know, through tellings of, you know, Word of Mouth, you know, over how many years, hundreds, tens, tens, 20, 30 50, 100 years, you know thousands of years you know they talk about these Tales seen these creatures and over time you know things get exaggerated you know it's just a giant game of telephone you know how did you hear about what these Sailors so said this. They saw you know, things like that and it just ended up growing Into you know, is these epic myths and legends that we that we now know today?

33:34 I mean, I love it, I think it's awesome. But I like to think that there's a lot of truth to it as well. You know, that's that's my favorite part about it is that there's they're based in truth. You know, or some some truth at least. I think that it's more likely that they all saw. The same thing that it was just a global phenomenon or a global animal that just didn't really maybe it had a I don't know if we like lined up all the countries and stuff and we kind of like made a line across the globe. Jeff, maybe we could see strong.

34:21 As I thought maybe we could see like a clear, I don't know, migration pattern or something like that, right? Like we see with some other creatures, where they go from north to south or whatever, right? And then along with, maybe not exaggerating through oral tradition, but maybe more along the lines of, you know, there's things that are obvious mythologies and things that could very well have been real or still are real and maybe along the lines of the mythologies of the different areas and their own various Legends like, you know, the legends of the Greek gods versus, you know, Legends to the same degree in Asian countries. Right.

35:08 It's just like so they had their own separate thing going on and maybe that inspired that Change more so than just a game of telephone, maybe it was more so like incorporating these creatures into their own, you know, versions of Legend and mythology that kind of gave it a more Larger than Life, sort of aspect to it and also Scandinavia which covers Sweden, Denmark and Norway. Covers about 1% of our listener base, and we just probably lost all of them. Thank you, Wes way to go west, or we may have gained more.

35:51 Hopefully, it's trying know, that's also interesting is that that area is also aware that area was they were talking about in the box. Agon that might be. That Ancient Ancient land, you know, is that because they said Helsinki was the North Pole, so that area is the area. So if that's where the story is originated, maybe there's some truth to the Box Saga and that this ancient culture who saw these things, you know, somehow survived a hundred thousand years, where the cataclysms and you know, in that area, Yeah, I mean I like to thank that, you know, back there in these times.

36:39 You know, a lot of people think that they know enough about the world that you know, I don't know. They think they know everything there is to know, maybe you know. And then all sudden they see this creature that is unlike anything any man woman has ever seen ever in their life, you know, it's going to be revered, you know? It's going to be almost like maybe almost like a god-like figure and their life from that point forward. You know, I'll send this thing appears and then just as quickly as it, you know, appears it disappears or whatever, you know.

37:19 I think it's it's fair to say that you know, it just becomes a part of that culture from then on, you know. And that's maybe why it these tails Grew From, you know, initially seeing these creatures to what they are now you know and also they talk about how it is able to drag a ship down, you know, our capsized, an entire ship, how big were ships back then, you know not not like what we have today depending on the location, you know? If you were in like I don't know and like an England like in the Medieval time frame.

38:05 You might get actually know like more later on until like the colonial time frame is when you actually got like the the big ships with a mass of mass and all that stuff but a lot of northern European countries actually utilize ships that were just like the Viking. Longboats liking the French the English, the pics you know the obviously the Vikings you know all that area. They all used the Longbow style ships which weren't very big you know could carry. What like, maybe 50 people, you know, not very tall, masts and stuff. So really, if you compare it to today, you'd say it was a large boat, right? A large sailboat, not a ship, which they would have considered a ship but for us would be like, I know a ship is like, you know, a yacht or a, you know, an aircraft carrier or something like that, you know, a floating city versus back then which it was just a vessel that could carry multiple people, you know, and maybe bigger than a dingy, you know, It's not even something that I ever thought about either.

39:08 So, like, You just flip this whole thing upside down for me already like I'm totally looking at this in a whole new light. The the ship's back then were a whole lot smaller than they are now. So the creature, the Kraken probably wasn't nearly as big as it seems now. Probably and creature. That's a lot smaller than what the story portrays possibly. I mean, but spoiler alert from what we know now of giant squid which, you know it's most likely what these the sailors of old saw you know they can grow up.

39:51 They've been measured up to 46 feet long you know at least the carcasses. Yeah. But they found, you know. And this believe that there's some that could have reached up lengths of up to 60 feet, you know, and that compared to those ships of that time. That's big enough to wrap it entire ship, you know, this tentacles and whatnot. Yeah. It's I mean, I can't imagine. I mean if you've ever seen the movie Mask Master and Commander, I love that movie. Great. Great movie. But like Imagine back then when they had ships of that size, I couldn't imagine being a sailor back then.

40:35 You know, there's so much Unknown about the ocean in the world as a whole, you know, and it's just you and your crew and doing whatever it takes to survive. And then, you know, if back in those times of Vikings and whatnot, you know, if you're on these smaller ships in your out, You know, in middle C. And one of these creatures came up and it's as big or bigger than your current Longboat, you know, I can't imagine what I'd be thinking, you know, at that time, like I'd be terrified, dude. One of the like magical era of humanity, man.

41:16 People when they didn't really understand things and like, everything had like a deep purpose or meaning or like there was some deity attached to it, you know, like there was something. Yeah. Something about that. That's very like, I don't even know the word. You what was the first word I used to go to remember, I remember magical magical? Yeah, that's it, man. You know what I mean? Like, that makes sense. It's like this. Regardless of like the gods that these ancient talked about that they saw or whatever regardless, if that's real or not their experience with. That is super real like when the Thunder would strike and they'd be like that's Thor, you know. It's like they really believe that.

41:56 So whether it's true or not, They experience for them is still as it's really true and it's just like it's wild. Yeah. You know, like that's kind of like the where I was going with it is you know, your they're still learning about the world, they're exploring, you know, there's no one person that has seen everything there is to see, you know, far from it. No extremely little and the see something like this you would have to imagine that it was a sign of some sort like you're meant to see. See it, you know. And that's why I was saying like may become maybe the became some revered creature, you know, that it became a part of their culture, you know, from then on and then became this Fantastical mythical creature, you know, to the to their their culture. And I think you know exactly how you described it as something magical, you know.

42:52 And I like to think that things that we don't understand. Is Magic, you know, to us. I like that. I think that there's still things like that out there waiting for us to figure out. Just for comparison for the listeners. So I just did a quick Google search didn't get to page 3 on this one but next time the average Viking Longboat was between 45 and 75 feet long and generally held about 50 people and sometimes could hold more than 100 depending on the amount of well availability of space right today. The average multihull sailboats are between 40 and 45. Five feet.

43:39 So basically, you know what we would consider today as a sailboat is what they considered to be a substantial size ship that they could actually transport a good amount of people in. So yeah, so definitely you know, I think that if we are talking about something that you know an animal, that's 45, feet long and maybe could get bigger then this absolutely could have been, you know, where this this story. Dated. And I agree that this, that it was like, before scientists could come and spoil all the fun, you know, scientistic coming but its way up in there and be like, ooh, actually this is a mollusk and blah blah, blah, blah, and be like, you know what?

44:21 Shut up, you know, I want to thank that. This is some like crazy sea creature that could eat you in your sleep. At any time. You know, snatch you up out of a window or something like that and you get these kids to bed. Yeah, it's just what a what a cool time frame for Discovery and figuring stuff out how to Traverse the oceans in a Long Boat. You know, how to identify things, and how to pass along information. And you know and maybe there was some some flubbing of the numbers and stuff when it came to you know, the if this was Scandinavian, you know, legend or so they say I mean those people were all over the place you know conquering different areas and you know very well could have made. Add it all the way into what's now currently the United States. So, I mean, they were like all over the place, they're trading with other cultures they were invading. So say, you know, one of these raiding parties at last a year and right at the beginning of their trip, like a month in, they see one of these things.

45:24 And then on the very back, end of it. Is when they're relaying the information that they saw went to their loved ones when they return, you know how much could a the lengthen, the the size change in a year of just I remember or, you know, reliving that moment of the capsized ship or whatever it was, you know, maybe even if the ship was just destroyed in a storm and the dead bodies were being cleaned up by one of these things, you know, who knows. But, you know, that, that relaying information. So, yeah, I mean it's entirely possible that they were real or are real and, you know, the numbers could been flooded or it could very well have been there. They were massive squids that would attack these Vessels. Because when the heck do we know, you know, we're not going across the ocean and a vessel that big anymore. Some people do sometimes where they're like, I'm going to sail around the world, you know, those crazy folk. But generally speaking if we're going across the ocean it's in a container ship, a cruise ship and aircraft carrier, some kind of metal vessel, we're not doing it in a wooden boat well some people do but though, yeah, those at four different breed? Yeah.

46:37 I mean, They're much much braver than me and the people of this, definitely this time, period. I mean, man, I can't even imagine just like you don't you just, you know, the open ocean and you're just like, I'm just going this direction to see what I find, you know, and not knowing what, what waits for you out there. And that's just like, my not only that, not only not knowing what's out there for you, but thinking that there's something out there for you. Well, you thinking that Medusa's out there somewhere thinking the crack is out there. So we don't I mean like And they believed it. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's an excellent point. Start trading me Greeks and hear about the harpies and be like the, what now, to find the mermaid, right? Yeah, I mean that's, that's, it's, it's crazy. I mean, we would consider crazy now in modern times, civilized times, but mean that's just what they did. And, you know, honestly, I think, you know, the human race as a whole Those all the better for it. That there's there is those who are willing to just, you know, Venture into the unknown prefer.

47:53 Let's it's amazing. Most of us wouldn't exist if that hadn't happened. Well, if we all could just kind of stayed in our tribes or groups and never really spread out anywhere, most of us wouldn't exist, because most of us are combinations. There's, I've only met a few people in my entire life that were like, pure blood from Like the area where they were from originally like 100% Irish, you know, or something like that. Most people are a combination of a lot of different, you know, genetics and things like that from all over the place. So a lot of us wouldn't exist. If that was the case, I would even venture to say that in this current day and age, that it's, it's a percentage of 1%, you know, people that are pure. If that, if at all, you know, I'm saved. Probably lower, I mean, yeah.

48:46 I mean that's why I meant like, if at all like I I think it'd be fair to say that there probably isn't any pure pure blood or whatever. Quote unquote we're all mudbloods. Yeah. Yeah. You know we're all but we're all the better for it as you know separate. Yeah he's an alien. I'm actually Nigerian. Yeah, yeah, you're not kidding. No, not good. I got DNA results. I remember when he brought this up on his show, Shadow band. He like you went he makes it a really big point and I think it's great actually how many princess like one that's enough. That's more than zero was thinking about making shirts. Well they say, I don't know, I'm a Nigerian something like that. Interesting fact, I was actually, I'm pretty sure that I was a fill the quota when I went into boot camp at a California and my recruiting station and marked me as African-American for my my paperwork.

50:05 I I show people every once in a while I print off my entry paperwork and I the block is checked for African-American and I'm just like well there you go. There you go. It's hilarious. No one changes it. They all saw me. Do it through. Alright, yeah. Hey. Whatever. I mean, I guess I could have been let it ride on African, you know, or something like that but still. Hey, that's just it was silly. I mean being African doesn't necessarily mean you know the color of your skin dictates you know. Yeah whatever. You know. I was just sitting here thinking about it. I was like you know how many you know Asian people I've met that have like English accents because they're from England, you know? I just like we're there's so many people mixed up all over the place it really doesn't matter. Yeah.

50:58 It doesn't, you know I was literally just like thinking in my head I was like, Egypt in Africa. You know, they don't, they are, you know, desert people, you know, tan skin, you know, I was trying to be feel like special and now I feel crushed. So, what do you feel crushed? I just feel crushed. You shouldn't being said, I literally know. No, a South African that I work with and he looks just like me. So yeah, I'm not special at all. Well, alright. Yeah.

51:41 All right. So anyways you're in though nice hell yeah bro. I don't know what else to say about Revelation to me, you don't say nothing, just we were talking about it. So uh hey, I have no idea where I'm from other than what my family's told me. But, you know, they say that part, native American, that have family, that's Native American. And then also like, Scottish Irish German. Mainly or, you know, English, I guess to. I mean, my last name is king and, you know, are all of our surnames come from, you know, back in the day, you know, from what ever your family did, whatever their their part in society was, you know, and I don't know, maybe there is royal blood in me for.

52:39 I don't know. I've never looked I think about it every now and then but, you know, I did. I forget about it. I'm just like, yeah, whatever. I've traced it back on my dad's side, I traced back to the last king of the Scots, so technically, I'm Nigerian prince So you're the guy that's been emailing me. Just going to say keep an eye on your inbox. I might be jumping. True story though. What. All right, I mean, I do believe that there's Native American in me because I have naturally black hair like legit black hair. So, I do believe that, you know, I think is my mom told me that Mom and Dad told me that I don't know what nation or tribe or whatever. But enough in me that give me naturally black hair. All right.

53:36 Jake Now, I'm for real, I mean, I don't have enough to really show nowadays, but, you know, let's continue but get the 23andMe or ancestry.com, whatever. And, and find out for sure. You have that speculating where you could just know. Yep. That costs money. You know. I just want to do that but I things I'll send you both something and you can spin your little vial and send it off and then find out exactly who you are, we? Like wow I'm exactly like that. They use the DNA to make clones of you. I was just going to say just a G major then they had your DNA forever.

54:20 Jake. Oh well you remember Star Wars the Clone Army. They don't want me. I'm too lazy. Anyways, anyways okey-dokey. So now that we've talked about the first origins of the Kraken and later Tales told from other cultures around the world let's get into some science and fact that's my one of my favorite Parts about all this tip. All of these tales that there's a lot that is based in fact, Or at least we can now say was based. In fact.

55:03 So scientists, archaeologists, and literary Scholars alike. Believe these are early Sailors. Really did see a giant creature that terrified them and that the Kraken from Tales of old was most likely a giant squid which can grow up to 46 feet long and weigh over 600 pounds with some scientists estimating that the largest of these creatures reach up to 60 feet in length and weigh up to 1,000 pounds. Now I don't know. You but I mean 60 feet. That's that's freaking huge. You know? I mean if I came across something like that In the, in the ocean today, I would definitely poop my pants. Imagine my semi truck with the trailer. That's that's yeah.

55:49 Roughly like little bit over. But yeah, roughly about 60 feet there, which is, that's huge. Yeah, like I was literally going to say the put that in perspective that's longer than a school bus, you know. And that's that's pretty nuts. Not it's hard to really say. If there ever was a giant squid large enough, Take down whole ships, are not because even to this day, they remain extremely Elusive. And to the point that they were first filmed in their natural habitat in 2012, which wasn't that long ago. And, you know, in the grand scheme of human history, but the very first time, they were ever caught on video at all was in 2006. You know, and that was one that was at, you know, on the surface of the ocean which It's believed that when we've seen him, you know, in that shallow of water, is due to them, either being sick injured or something like that. So the way they act or whatever may not be how they, you know, their actual temperament and their native, you know, depth I guess natural death, natural habitat. Like I said that that wasn't that long ago and the grand scheme of human history.

57:06 And before that, the only evidence that even existed First even prove that they exist. It was washed up bloated bodies, you know, found them Shores. You know I remember reading about one that washed up and saying all these thing. You know, and at the time nobody knew what the hell it was it was just like, what is this giant blob Mari? What is this? What is this? Massive rotting blob. Like what the what the hell is this? I No it imagine people's imaginations we're just going nuts with what it could have been but from what we know of giant squids today, it's easy to see why Sailors would have found them terrifying.

57:53 Imagine being out to sea and he looked down at the water and find a creature with eight arms to even longer feeding tentacles coming off their body which the body which is called the mantle has been recorded to be over 7 feet long by themselves. Eggs, so that by itself is already larger than any man except for the few exceptions and, you know, basketball players and what are not Giants, nephrons Giants, go back to Giants what the body itself? Being seven feet long, that's that's massive. And then two eyes is largest dinner plates, which you know, they have the largest eyes in the entire Animal Kingdom. You know, they've been reported up to a foot in diameter like that's nuts, but it makes sense.

58:45 When you, when you take into account their natural habitat is is way down deep, you know, where there's hardly any light at all. And so the eyes are much bigger to allow them to take in as much light as possible to see their prey be able to hunt. And to me it's just extremely fascinating that such a creature exists and in the modern day. We know hardly anything about them, but one thing we do know is that the main Predator to the giant squid is a sperm whale which by itself has fantastic Tales, you know, the the most well-known being Moby-Dick, which I read as a kid and it was written in Old English and It was nearly impossible to read, had to use a. I had to use a lot of context clues to understand, what the hell, I was reading, you know, because it makes a whole lot of sense, but sperm whales by themselves are the largest of the toothed whales and a largest tooth predator in the world with males.

59:49 Averaging 52 feet in length and some having been recorded being up to 68 length. And how do we know that? This is the natural predator to the giant squid. Well, because we found the remains in the stomach of sperm, whales, and even giant sucker scars in the whale skin, which to me is like gnarly is how like but like totally like I do just badass and same time like this. That's sick. Yeah, there's there's lots of animals seafaring animals. I should say that bear the scars of contact with other animals or even Humans, you know, from manatees with prop scars on their back to, you know, sharks that, you know, there's been sharks that are like missing parts of their body from, you know, fights with other sharks or other larger Predators who knows these these scars on the sperm whales?

1:00:49 Just, it can only mean that they've come into contact with one another and the giant squid is one of the main prey for sperm whales. It's not the say that giant squids are going out there, sperm whales either. But I mean if it's been attacked by a giant whale of course it's going to try to defend itself because you know who wants to be eaten. You know, but I like to imagine what that would be like, you know, being something like straight out of 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, you know, like hmm such great. Such a great story. And one of the, one of the many reasons, I love the ocean and stuff like that. Maybe that's why it attacked these ships. Because it looked like a sperm whale, and it's like, oh, that fuckers coming to get me.

1:01:40 I'd better get it first. Yeah, let's go. I just solved the problem. It's a very real possibility. I mean, most shark attacks, you know, happened with Surfers. Which from down below. Looking up, a surfer on a surfboard looks like a seal, you know, so it could be as easy, you know, easily explained as being a stake of mistaken identity. I don't know, it's a good question but we don't know enough about them to really say for sure, 100% one way, or the other.

1:02:20 There are some long boats out there and see if those instincts kick in. Let's do this science experiment time. I mean there's there's literally at any given point any given time thousands of ships out to see big and small. I would say I mean and still they're still, you know, stories report it to this day of strange. Things seem seen at Sea, you know. So who's to say that It's still not happening, it's up for each one of us decide on our own boats, go missing a lot in the ocean. So Who knows all those birth farts.

1:03:02 Is listen to the period of triangle know that there's massive methane bubbles that are released from the crust of the earth and that they capsized ships because they pop underneath them. Yeah, Earth farts. Yeah, it's good description. And what they smell like, whatever methane smells like I suppose. Yeah, it's Cheese. Louise. Your last words, you are blaming the person next to you for ripping a massive fart, then you fall into a thousand-foot Chasm because the bubble pops underneath you whoever smelt it, dealt it. Yes, said, the brine you did, what? Yeah, that's right.

1:03:48 They're probably laughing before they drowned then, you know shit. Imagine that a colossal squid coming after you. I was just like because you said that, they have scars on the sides of Wales. And I'm sitting here and thinking, I was just like, oh yeah, they've got like, like, like teeth on their tentacles and so I like looked him up and on the suckers they have these serrated edges and stuff, they look like zombies. But it's and then on the very tips of their like the pointy ends of their tentacles, they have these hooks all over it on the suckers to. So basically they just grab & Drag, could you imagine like, whether it was back then, or today, who cares? But, you know, say you fall off an aircraft carrier. And then there you are waiting for the search-and-rescue team to come pick you up but instead of them coming to get you, you get Wrapped Around Your Body by suckers with claws and teeth in just pulled into the depths.

1:04:53 See, I don't understand, you know, it's all go surfing to me more terrifying than the tentacles themselves. Is the beak and behind the beak, is a mouth with teeth. Also, you know, like I don't want to imagine that, you know, they have the a arms and then two extra tentacles that are longer than their eight arms. You know, that can shoot out and basically grab you and just bring you in and then all you see, is this giant gaping beak, you know, like hell no, aw hell no to know. No, you know, no, thank you.

1:05:43 I don't, I don't want to imagine. I mean, I'd love to see one but like maybe in like a museum or something, you know? I mean, I believe in the UK. Okay, I think it's in the UK. They have a preserved body of one, you know, edits like full length, or at least the length of the, what's preserved at the body and it's like, 46, feet long, or something like that, or 43 feet long, you know. And I'd love to just be able to see that in person because it's one thing for, you know, someone tell you, oh yeah, this is 40. 46 feet long, but then the see it in person gives you know, where you can actually see and feel it scale in person. Like that's holding Another thing by itself, it's a big gang. Squid.

1:06:31 That's a huge squid but that's about all the info I have. I mean, like I said earlier in the beginning of episode, there's a lot of info and but there's also not a lot, you know, because like I said, there's still a ton a ton that we don't know about the giant squid and you know, as It's still, you know, it's just it's an elusive creature that sightings of it or very rare. You know, first video first ever time. Being videoed was 2006 first time ever being videoed and its natural. Habitat was 2012, it's pretty crazy.

1:07:15 But, you know, it was first talked about all the way back and first century, it's crazy. And it seems, you know that it's remained unchanged for the most part from how it was described back. Then those Legends and myths, I hope that we find find out more about it in the future. I love to know more about it. It's a fascinating creature. The ocean itself is just mind-boggling. Awesome. And yeah, I mean, what are you guys? What do you guys think? You know, knowing that it's, you know, Miss were most likely based on the giant squid I mean, it makes sense, and I guess just for like, my, my final opinion on, it's actually the same as, when I started, to be honest, I still fully believe that there are things in the ocean that we just don't know.

1:08:15 About, probably big things to mass of things, maybe even aliens, I don't know. But, you know, the idea that it gets carried on generation to generation culture, to culture. It's just, you know, I'm sure that there's something down there. Be a giant squid. And if they've, if they seen some that are, you know, nearly 50 feet and they estimate all, it could get up to 70, 80 feet, maybe go back, a thousand years. how do we not, how do we know there wasn't one that was 500 feet. You know, I'm glad you brought that up because I was thinking earlier when we were talking about it, you know, the first tales about this worth you know how many thousand years ago, you know, and we talked about this in the Giants episode, I mentioned that, you know, thousands of years ago, the oxygen content of the atmosphere was much greater than it is now which allowed creatures to be way bigger than they are now.

1:09:16 I mean The fact There Was, You Know bugs and insects as big as you know Volkswagen Beetles and what not like we do. Yeah. Which is crazy. So if it could be insects and you know, other creatures being this large, why not sea creatures as well. I mean we already know of, you know the Megalodon mean this massive Predator back, you know, back then. But it's not around today because it's well at least we think it's not around today. What? Getting Shadow their own? Yes but you know we'll definitely going to get into that.

1:10:05 But that in itself is another extremely fascinating thing that there's these creatures that were that large and I was recently a few months. Well I guess it was back in April, I was at the Museum of Natural History in DC and they have, they have like a full-scale like Megalodon like thing in there and it's just like a while. I walked around a corner, not expecting to see it. And I was just like, oh shit. Yeah. That's it's just crazy. Like, damn, like a real-life Jaws. But uh, yeah, yeah, I think they're definitely real. I'm team cracking.

1:10:48 Hell yeah. Cheers to that bro. Hashtag cracking is real. I'm also team Kraken, but the animal not the drink. I dunno do not partake, no mo but I yeah, I mean I'd like it to be You know, in my heart I'd like it to be some crazy looking animal, right? Like one thing that we we go back on quite a bit. Is the Platypus right? Where the bat that it can, it's a mammal that uses echolocation or the Platypus because it's, you know, mammal that lays eggs and it's got, you know, toxic Spurs on it and all kinds of wild stuff.

1:11:34 And truth be told we have way more Almost than just that that are seemingly mixtures of different things. So really when it comes to like the likelihood that a shark with technical, you know technical legs would exist. I mean it sounds crazy. But is it really all that crazy? Whales used to have legs? I mean it's true and and they still will at some point they'll come for us. But I think that The jury's out on that one and whether or not it's like, you know, some of the more crazy Legends but I certainly, I mean, we know the colossal squid exist.

1:12:19 So sure. And I agree with what, you know, both, you know, Wes and Jeff. But what you were saying is that, you know, why couldn't there have been one. That was 500 feet long, and all we have now are the ones that are smaller that are you know, whatever. And it could be because of the oxygen oxygen content. And that could have played a part in, you know, the availability of food, right? That the smaller ones can succeed where the bigger ones die out and maybe they're two different species. I don't know. You know, because we have, we have normal squid and then we have colossal squid, and why couldn't we have super duper, colossal squid, right? Or something like that.

1:13:02 So yeah, I mean Super Duper massive, colossal, squid, so, yeah, I definitely believe that there. Was probably more truth to those Legends than we give them credit for that. They weren't just an just another culture or another group of cultures. Rather. You know, looking at what you first said about all these different areas that at the same time had the same sort of a, you know, a siding or a legend surrounding it. Mmm. That's, they weren't just making stuff up and saying, oh my gosh, they were so big. You know, it could have been because of the ship sizes and it could very well have been because these things Were freaking massive, right?

1:13:44 And now maybe we just have the leftovers. Are the ones that haven't died out all the way? Who knows? But yeah, definitely like to learn more about them as time continues and you know, these elusive creatures get found out more about. I honestly think that our space exploration is a gigantic waste of funding because I would much rather know what's in all the deep dark cracks of, you know, the Earth and inside of the, the water then I I would about some stupid moon rocks. I really could care less, right? And so there's space squid, man. This is a squid. You watching needs of the space Mammoth, but I guarantee you'll get that.

1:14:24 But yeah, yeah, I I mean, I'm on board. I like it. I like the the conversation, the, the topic I think that it's probably one of the more plausible things that we've talked about in a while. I mean Bigfoot, we all seem to kind of agree on it, you know. We try to not be an echo chamber but when it really comes to things that are like, very suited, you know, or putting reality, like a scientific discovery, that who knows? This could be very well. The definition of cryptozoology is an animal that's unknown to science. But, you know, there's legends about and stuff and then scientists Discover it like in 2012 by accident.

1:15:05 They see a colossal squid on a, on a camera underwater. So yeah, there you go, cryptozoology. It's a great way to sum it up. After she liked it. Yeah, I I like the idea that there was this 500-foot creature just destroying ships because like that's just awesome to me. Yeah, I know that but yeah, it's so it's so hyped up and so Fantastical. It's too good to be true almost, you know? So the idea of I like the idea of like I said, these Boats weren't that big.

1:15:53 So like I said, earlier this totally got flipped as upside down. For me, these boats weren't that big. So these these giant squids which have always been around for all, we know have just been carrying on with lives. See their lives seeing this boat. That looks like a sperm whale and is like that, guys. Coming for me. I gotta get him before he gets me. He takes down the ship. Calls it a day. That that's the end of it. The squid safe. We have a kraken story from the one Lone Survivor, or the one guy who saw it, or whatever the case may be. I like the Fantastical story, but it makes me feel better knowing more of a realistic side.

1:16:41 Makes me feel better about the ocean. Yeah it's it's definitely scarier thing to think about knowing that it's based on a real creature that we know exist to stay. Could you imagine how many people that would feed? Like I'll go eat calamari and it'll be like hell tiny swimming stuff in like a little like well they're not little but the suckers and stuff that would feed a lot of dang people. I mean maybe we should you know kind of pursue finding out more about the giant squid by hunting them that may be why they're so rare. Now, they may have just been. Well let's get the rest of them, you know, I mean, I'm almost every restaurant, I go to nowadays, seems to have calamari is appetizer.

1:17:23 Well, I just mean over the course of the last 1000 years. You know, like we had we could have eaten them off. Just like we did in the other, we do anything awful. Oh we just fucking haunted him for the hides. But same thing in the wings just getting in the wings. Almost samples were one of those creatures that were Said to be a mermaid, but they went extinct in the. I think that was the 1920s because we just hunted them. It looked like manatees basically sea cows, huh? Yeah. Are they smaller manatees the skinny? Long flowing hair.

1:18:04 It was one of those creatures that was mistaken for a mermaid So maybe don't hunt them, okay? Fine. Can't hunt what you can't find. Its right? 95% of the ocean still left over. There's plenty of them. Let's go back to hunting them. I'm sure of it. Yeah, we'll find something else. It's fine. Yeah, yeah, good. Good episode was well, thank you. I mean, this is something that when I rejoined the podcast and, you know, you and Jeremy were talking to me about, you know, writing our own episodes or whatever and Thing, I pop the pop, the my mind about covering was the Kraken, like I don't know, that's just, it will always stick with me.

1:18:59 Just something that I would love love to see something like that. You know I mean being on deployment on an aircraft carrier, I've seen lots of crazy things out the see you know been through crazy typhoons and storms and whatnot you know waves and swells big enough to damage it even aircraft carrier. To seeing the ocean, literally as smooth as glass. Not a single Ripple, wrinkle anything, like, literally just perfectly smooth for as far as you can see. Like, that's literally one of the craziest things I've ever seen in my life and I'll never forget seeing that, you know, and that's just that's just on the surface.

1:19:44 The thing, you know, we talked about the oceans cover, 70% of the planet, right? But But I think another thing we don't really consider is that, you know, the ocean isn't just as flat thing, it's it has depth to it and there's you know, this all this. Unseen terrain route in sure, we've mapped out you know a lot of that undersea terrain whatnot but we don't really know what's down there and that unknown portion of it will continue to fascinate me until the day I die. I'm sure. I mean, you think about like I think the biggest mountain range in the world is under under the ocean somewhere?

1:20:28 Yeah, there's right. So think about like I'm mountain range and think about all the creatures that live in a mountain range not just one mountain like a whole range of mountains. I mean, you got bears and lions and all kinds of stuff, right? And there's caves that things can live in snot. Think about the biggest mountain range ever is underwater, and like, what could be living there? There's literally under water. Rivers of Brine and the oceans, you know, which is crazy. You know, there's these creatures that literally have iron, like they're made part partially of iron to be able to survive in these extreme conditions, near thermal geothermal vents under, you know, in the bottom of the ocean. It's just crazy.

1:21:13 There's so much. It's definitely way more charges like eels who can go between freshwater and saltwater to like. Mhm, that's baffling to me. Even if you could sonar the whole bottom, which I think we've done a lot of but, you know, you could sonar the whole bottom of the ocean and you be like, yeah, there's a mountain range there. But unless, you know where the cave entrance is and that cave entrance could lead into a Cave System. That's miles long just like on the surface but it's two miles into the ocean as a Munoz. Who knows what lives in there, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I mean, Don't know if any of you guys have heard of this game, but it's called subnautica.

1:21:54 Yeah, gives me. It's a great saying sub mechina. Folk, I was a sub-sub Mecca phobia. I think it's called fear of like, the deep ocean deep ocean. Yeah, like creeps me that the hell out bleep if I get sick of watching those videos of like, We're just going to use the Titanic as an example. I love watching videos of Tate at of the Titanic and you see, like the animals in the background but like, just the whole idea of all of that, just looking Beyond what's right in front of you. They're just into the depths of the ocean.

1:22:34 That's terrifying. Like anything could come at you but it like, it makes me so uncomfortable but it's so fascinating to watch. I love it. Oh yeah, it's weird. But I love Yeah, I mean there's literally the stuff of nightmares down there, I mean, hell, yeah. Anglerfish Guardians of The Nightmare realm pure pure nightmare fuel. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, I'm, there's there's way more that we're gonna be able to cover about the ocean. Probably more than we'll ever be able to cover on this podcast. You know, while we're still alive.

1:23:16 I'm sure there's going to be new discoveries and stuff in the coming years. Things that are just wild and crazy, you know, that no one could have ever imagined existing and I look forward to that. I look forward to hear about these things. Next up, the abyss. Yeah. Because I what is the next episode for she can we just not tell the listeners anymore because I just think what's changed so much and we could say, what the next It is, but next thing, you know, it's going to be pushed back, three months. So it's just easier to True anything. Fair enough. Stay tuned to find out what we have next. This is Spencer's probably just better anyways. So next Friday you'll find out what's going to be covered next and it's going to be a surprise to all of us. That's right.

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