PWR265: Direct Energy Weapons & Monarch Mind Control - Coco Sianne Part 3

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Welcome back to the Infinite
Rabbit Hole.

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Tonight we are back with one of
the most talked about guests in

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this show's history.
Coco Sayan Rider is an

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independent researcher and
spiritual experiencer who was

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born into the world she's been
investigating her whole life.

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Her grandfather is Full Guy Khan
Donovan, her father is Sean

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Rider of the Happy Mondays, and
her family connects into Rolling

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Stones founding member Brian
Jones.

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She grew up inside the
entertainment world, spent time

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in Laurel Canyon as a child, and
spent 12 years quietly piercing

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together what that world
actually looks like beneath the

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surface.
In our first two episodes

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together, we covered Monarch
mind control, how targets are

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selected, how the network
functions, and the occult

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framework that underpins all of
it.

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Between those episodes, she also
sat down with Gehrig Ike for a

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three-part series where she
shared her personal monarch

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memories publicly for the first
time and began introducing a

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framework around military
technology and mass behavioral

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control that stopped a lot of
people in their tracks.

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Tonight we're bringing all that
together.

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She promised us the technology
conversation was coming and that

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she had some pretty big things
to reveal.

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We're also going to go deep on
her Monarch memories and

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actually try to deconstruct
them.

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This is episode 3.
This is where it gets real,

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Coco.
Welcome back to Infinite Rabbit

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Hole.
Thank you for having me back,

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it's always a pleasure.
Good.

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Oh, man, I've been waiting.
It's been a lot, a lot of

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things.
How was your holidays?

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My holidays were pretty packed
full of things and travelled

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quite a bit.
Went back to Ireland to spend

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Christmas with the grandparents
for the first time in like over

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10 years.
So that was a pretty heavy

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experience but also very nice to
be back home in Ireland.

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And I went back home to visit in
Spain as well to see old

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friends.
I went back twice actually more

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for like sort of emergency.
My friend was going through a

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hard time.
So it was an emotional holiday

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season, but a very, a very good
one at the same time.

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And a lot of moving around, a
lot of travelling.

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We also moved house and we
actually still haven't finished

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moving.
We still have a lot of stuff at

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the old house, but that was a
lot of a lot of work.

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So I just finally getting
settled into the new apartment

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now and, you know, grounding and
more, more stabilizing.

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So that's why I'm able to get
back on here and, and, and do a

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couple more interesting
interviews.

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So here I am.
Good, good.

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And I see that you've got a
couple of videos up on YouTube

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for tracing the circle now too.
Yeah, yeah, I've done I think my

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introduction episode, which was
like half an hour long.

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And then I've posted 2 full
episodes on the topics of Adept

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ship and mysticism.
Very good.

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So if anybody is craving more
cocoa, that's where you got to

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go.
She's she's active on YouTube

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now.
Everybody make sure you get in

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there.
Yeah.

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All right, so let's see, at the
end of our last episode

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together, you said quote, we
should spend a full episode on

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the hardcore mind control and
technology because I have some

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pretty big shit to reveal.
That was a hell of a

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cliffhanger.
What have you been sitting on

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since then?
In terms of the technology.

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Stuff.
Well, a little bit of

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everything.
So across both of our episodes

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on this show, you said the magic
has to happen before the

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technology can work, but we've
never actually walked through

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the connection end to end.
Do you mind jumping into that?

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Well, personally, about 5 or 6
years ago, I have been in a sort

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of a big mess the last 12 years
of my life when I discovered

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this criminal network operating
in my, where I used to live that

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sent me in this whole rabbit
hole of, of information and

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discovering things.
And since then, since I was 19

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years old, I've dealt with, you
know, harassment and stalking

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and sort of black magic and
psychological mind games and all

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of these crazy things going on.
And also being sort of invited

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into a, a group, a group, let's
say, quote UN quote group.

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And then refusing and then, you
know, not having a very good

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response after my refusal, all
of those things.

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So I've been sort of living a
double life the last 12 years

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where all of this stuff has
always been going on in the

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background.
I've even had experience with

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technology, like the kind of
technology where they can, I

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don't know, mess with you from
afar.

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You know, what are they called?
Direct Energy weapons I've

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experienced a couple of times
over the last 12 years, and I'm

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glad that it wasn't any more
than that because that's really

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scary stuff.
But so yeah, I've, I've been

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dealing with that in the
background for the last 12

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years.
But about five years ago, things

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kind of got a little weirder and
a little darker because before

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that I did experience sort of
what would be considered sort of

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black magic targeting, but I
didn't consider it real.

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I thought it was just like
psychological warfare, it

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disguised as black magic because
it didn't have an effect on me

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spiritually, you know, not
really.

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Anyway, I did have a few out of
body experiences and stuff like

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that going on and some demonic
entities and stuff, but nothing

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that really indicated to me that
I was under serious psychic

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warfare.
So this happened about five

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years ago when I was living in a
apartment above an abandoned

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church, and the apartment was
within a structure that's like a

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convalescent home where nuns
look after the elderly people.

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Now, what's even stranger is
that this apartment is in

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between two massive military
institutions that are involved

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in satellites and mapping and
tracking.

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So that probably wasn't a very
good idea for me to, for one,

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move into a place above a church
with nuns.

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I always knew that I should stay
away from places like that

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because this dark network often
operates through religious

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institutions and organizations.
But I wasn't aware that I was

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moving into a place between two
massive military institutions

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now, even if I was living 20
minutes away before, now I'm

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living like right next door, and
it does make a difference.

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So I did not realize that the
psychic attacks that I was going

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through at the time were just
precursors, were not just

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precursors.
They also had this psychic

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attacks really served a serious
purpose.

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But they were precursors to the
the military technology that I

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would be being targeted with
eventually around, especially

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around COVID lockdown times when
these people had a lot of time

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on their hands.
You know, everyone, everyone was

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a bit bored and going crazy.
So these people, you know,

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they're, they're human as well.
And they're stuck in their homes

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or in their various institutions
and they're, you know, using

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their, all their free time for
these nefarious purposes.

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So yeah, it was about three
years into the constant psychic

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and spiritual warfare and
negative energy bombard

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bombardment that I was going
through that the technology side

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of it started to happen.
And I think that the technology

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would not have worked if they
hadn't have lowered my vibration

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and put holes through my auras.
The aura, let's say, has many

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layers and we can refer to them
as different kinds, different

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auras.
And my etheric body and my

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chakra system took them years
to, to basically channel through

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and dig through all of these
spiritual layers and, and lower

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my vibration and, and frequency.
And I think that that was all

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really necessary for the
military technology that was

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going to be used.
And it's, let's say remote

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sensing technology that connects
to the human body, the human

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brain and the human minds, let's
say, for purposes of of reading,

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let's say biometric data and for
tracking, but also for

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behavioural modification.
And I think that the COVID

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vaccine has a lot to do with
this and the stuff that they're

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spraying in the skies.
Because I think that the only

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way for this kind of remote
sensing to work is if we have

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some kind of technology already
in our body that doesn't

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necessarily look like a
microchip or an implant.

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It's maybe some kind of
nanotechnology or some kind of

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heavy metals that we're carrying
in our body.

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And I was unfortunately infected
with in some way the COVID

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vaccine through what do you call
it when you when you transfer,

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you transfer it over to
somebody.

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By through your respiratory
system.

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So it's I can't think of the
medical term, but I know what

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you're talking about.
Yeah, there's a word for it.

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When shedding.
That's it.

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It's shedding.
So someone who was recently

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vaccinated was having a a dinner
party with us around New Year's

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or Christmas, and I didn't know
that they were recently

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vaccinated.
Me and my partner and our

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neighbors, we all live in the
same area, just just the four of

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us in this sort of villa.
There was actually five of us,

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there was another guy living
there, five of us in this villa

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in the middle of nowhere.
And these guys came all of us

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were against the vaccine.
So none of us took it.

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We all avoided it except for
these two people that they

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invited to to dinner.
And we were all incredibly sick

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for many, many, many months
after that where we felt

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shooting pains up and down our
spine and down our the nervous

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system within our legs.
And I just remember sitting on

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the couch crying, both because
of the pain and because I could

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feel that my body was being
changed permanently, that

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something was happening to me
permanently that was affecting

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my DNA.
So I don't know if it's just

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because of that or because I'm
targeted by these people, if

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it's some other time they had
access to me or my food or my

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drink or something and they
managed to put something inside

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my, my, my body.
But I do think that mostly their

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technology is, is remote and
they do it through frequencies,

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Wi-Fi signals and cellular data
signals and things like that.

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So yeah, after my spiritual
degradation, I started having a

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lot of pain in my skull that
felt, I don't know if you if you

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remember this from when you were
a kid, because not everybody

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gets this.
It's when you would turn on one

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of those big massive old TV's
and you would hear like this,

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this sound, this frequency.
And for me personally, it hurt

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my head when the TV went on.
Did you?

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Did that ever happened to you
when you were a kid?

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Yes, I never got pain from it.
I I think I know what this is

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actually called.
I'm Googling it really quick, so

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I'm not making a fool of myself.
Let's see here.

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Just yeah.
OK, so the Corona discharge,

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it's a it's a type of it's the
the faint sizzling, crackling or

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buzzing sound from ATV it it and
it actually there's another

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sense attack from this too.
And it's your olfactory system.

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So you get like a kind of a
slight smell or scent of ozone

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from it, like a very an
electrical scent, if you will.

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But yeah, it's it's called the
corona discharge.

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It's from high voltage leaking
through air usually near the

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anode cap.
So typically anodes and cathodes

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it would be on the anode side.
But go ahead, sorry.

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No, no, that's very fascinating.
I I didn't, I didn't know that.

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I'm going to look into that.
But yeah, the that sound when

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you turn the TV on and it did
hurt my head.

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And there was other people,
especially adults in the room

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that wouldn't even hear it, let
alone feel it.

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But kids especially were
sensitive to it and they could

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hear this, this high pitched
sound when the TV came on and I

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felt it in my skull and I hate
it.

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It's one of the things that I
absolutely hated.

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I would leave the room when they
turn the TV on and waited, wait

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a while to come back in to the
room when when that sound kind

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of went away.
Basically.

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I've had that in my skull for
the last, I don't know how many

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years it's been been three years
now and it goes in and out.

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And in the beginning, initial
stages when they were using this

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on me, it was way worse.
It's like they were drilling it

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into my skull and getting it
adjusted to my, my, my body and

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my frequency and my energy and
it was an absolute nightmare.

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I could even see like at night
in the center of my eye, like

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colors, colors, like it's like
almost static, like the colors

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that you would see on the TV
when it goes static and stuff

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like that.
I still get that when I close my

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eyes in the dark.
But yeah, this feeling, and it

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was incredibly painful in the
beginning and it came with at

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the same time I was having a lot
of outer body experiences of

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people visiting me.
And I'm talking not like astral

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projections where you're in the
astral realm where everything is

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a bit surreal and weird and
resembles any kind of dimension

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you can imagine, but the etheric
realm where it still looks like

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the physical world around you.
So I would have people come into

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my room etherically, travelling
and then doing sort of

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experiments on me.
They even had like etheric

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drills and we're trying to get
into my head etherically now

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some people might be like, Oh
no, that that was, must have

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been physical and she must have
been, umm, under drugs or mind

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control or whatever.
So maybe there are some cases in

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my life where that could have
happened.

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But there is also the etheric
realm and there are occultists

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involved in this military
technology, criminal technology

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and they do astral project and,
uh, do mental projections and,

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uh, what, what was the word for
it?

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The, uh, when they travel with
their mind remote viewing all of

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that stuff.
And I do believe that all of

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this military technology to do
is sensing and tracking and

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Internet and all of these radio
waves and all of these things,

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they're in the same dimensions
as the interdimensional beings,

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right?
It's spiritual occult energy

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that the military are using.
It's not separate.

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It's not separate.
It's, it's one, one world.

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It's the, it's the same world
anyway.

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So it's very important to me to
talk about this.

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I tried to talk about it with
Gareth Ike, but I, you know, I'm

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not used to talking about this
stuff.

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I think I probably articulated
it just now with you the last

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five minutes, way better than I
than I did with Gareth.

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Hopefully I get better and
better at articulating it.

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Do you have any questions or?
No, I, I, I think you did a

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great job and that, that
definitely suits like everything

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that you said screams Do's,
which is the acronym for Direct

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Energy weapons to AT almost from
everything that I've heard and

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I've there, there's a lot of
things, there's a spectrum of,

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of Do's, right?
There's the the large area dues

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where where a lot of people like
to point at the, the fires on

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the Hawaiian Island two years
ago, you know, with all the,

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the, the blue roofs all made,
you know, podcast news

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everywhere.
They weren't really talking

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about it on mainstream media,
but it was pretty much

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everywhere else.
And then a lot of people don't

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understand that, that that dues
have been in production and

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we've been working with
becoming, I'm trying to pick my

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words correctly here.
We're becoming more efficient

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with them.
And it just like every other

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piece of technology, right?
Things tend to get smaller and

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those Direct Energy weapons have
become quite small and very

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accessible to create a beam more
than a ray, you know, sort of

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like a laser beam.
And they can target individuals.

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We see this, we've seen this a
lot.

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I mean, there, there's literally
Direct Energy weapons attached

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to naval ships here in the US.
Now, this is, this is public

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knowledge.
This is not conspiracy anymore.

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This is something that has
actually been declassified.

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You can see videos of this
happening.

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A lot of people will watch this
and it it literally just looks

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like nothing.
You know that there's no,

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there's no solid projectile
coming out of it.

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It's literally just.
Energy.

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Yeah.
And I mean, there there was a

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big thing that happened just a
few months ago where the US went

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into Colombia and captured
Murano.

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I think his name is the the
president down there and

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everyone that.
Was to hear about that.

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No.
Well you should definitely look

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into this because the the
defense side of Colombia a lot

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of people were reporting nausea,
headaches, debilitating pain in

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in their entire body.
It literally leaving them

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immovable and that screams
Direct Energy weapons.

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Fortunately for me, the purpose
of what they're doing now is not

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to incapacitate me.
It's to turn me into basically a

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human antenna, which I am, I am,
I am, I am constantly connected

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to their technology.
I can feel it right now in my,

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in my head, my skull, down my
spine and in my shoulder.

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And it's it's on all these
important points on the body.

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So I have it here, mostly here.
And it goes down the back of my

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spine and it connects here on my
on my shoulders and around my

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elbows, around my hips, on all
of the points in the body you

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would think would be the ones
where they would need to connect

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all the way down to my ankles.
So the point I imagine is to

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keep me connected to this, this
technology for sensing and

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tracking, but also for
behavioural modification where I

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believe that they're blasting
specific tones or frequencies at

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different moments to induce
different feelings or behaviours

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or maybe thought patterns, stuff
like that.

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And I'm constantly aware of it
because I have clear cognizant

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abilities.
I'm constantly aware of it.

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I think that a lot of people who
might be under this kind of

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technology might not really be
fully aware of what's what's

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going on.
It's to such an extreme extent

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that for a while I would get the
beam and the sensation and the

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sound in my head on the clock.
It would be 369.

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Every single time would be 4 O
six or four O 9 or 4 O3.

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I would check the clock, it
would be 369369369.

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And what is that?
That's the Nikola Tesla numbers,

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the numbers of the universe.
And I believe that they're using

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those numbers to sort of
reprogram my own energy field to

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to align with whatever energy
field they're trying to create

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to get me to follow the their
dictates and their behavioral

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modification.
So here I, I brought up, I

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brought this up here for you
just to, just to share, this is

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off of intelanews.com.
No, you're not getting my e-mail

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address.
This was from January 24th, so

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just a little less than a month
ago.

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Trump confirms US deployed
Discombobulator energy weapon in

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Venezuela.
So I said Colombia.

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It's actually Venezuela.
Oh, Venezuela.

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Well.
Yeah, OK, that makes sense.

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I heard about that.
Another one.

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My bad.
No, So here's Nicolas Maduro,

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Maduro.
And that there was a lot of

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reports about people being
discombobulated and unable to

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respond to our our raid in
Venezuela.

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And then also when you were
talking about the astral

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entities, right, coming in and
doing work on you, right?

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My, my first thing, my first
thought that I came to was

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induced paralysis.
Were you now, were you also

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projecting and they were
projecting onto your astral

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body?
I know you weren't in the astral

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realm I was in.
Let's say a sleep paralysis.

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But it's not that I can't get
out of the sleep paralysis.

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I can.
Well, not really anymore.

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I don't experience any of this
stuff anymore because all of my

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senses have been completely shut
down.

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But in the beginning, when I was
really fighting against this, I

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was like having battles in the
etheric and astral realm every

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single morning, every single
night, every time I took a nap.

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I was having battles for my
literal soul.

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Every single fucking night.
And I'd lost all of my senses

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have been pretty much shut down.
So basically what has happened

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is that my consciousness now,
when I go to sleep, my

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consciousness drifts somewhere
else and I'm induced into this

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sort of dream that keeps me
completely distracted and

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probably separated from my body.
And I do get a sensation of

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spinning and floating.
So I feel like what's happening

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now is that my etheric body or
my astral body is leaving my

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physical body at night and being
spun around in a sort of tornado

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and I'm having false dream
worlds pushed upon me so that

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my, my consciousness is not
aware of what's being done to

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my, my body on the astral and
etheric level.

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So now it's like I'm, I'm, I've
been basically they've put like

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an etheric VR headset onto my
sleeping spiritual bodies and

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then cut me off from all of the
sensations.

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And I remember in, in the final
stages of their shutting down my

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spiritual senses, they were
trying so hard to keep my hands

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and my arms to my chest.
And I remember every single

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night pushing and trying to get
these things that were

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surrounding my body off and away
from me and pushing and pushing.

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And over the course of many,
many, many, many months, I

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eventually lost all my power.
And I remember just being able

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to move my fingers.
And then in the very final

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stages of it, when I couldn't
move at all, I would have

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flashes of the astral realm
where these entities were

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surrounding me and they had
basically fused my astral

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fingers together and then kind
of stuck them so that they're

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I'm completely incapable of
moving them basically.

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So I've got off, I've got off
track.

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No, no, you're fine.
Because I actually I've heard a

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lot of this before.
Are you familiar with the The

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Montauk project?
I think I saw something recently

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on YouTube.
So a lot of people when they

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hear of Montauk project, they,
they first think Project Gateway

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and even Project Aquarius.
The Montauk project was actually

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a series of conspiracy theories,
you know, Bunnier quotes there

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alleging secret US experiments
from the 70s and 80s.

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And this all took place at Camp
Hero in Montauk, NY.

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Basically relied heavily on mind
control, time travel,

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teleportation.
But projects that eventually

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branch from this is thought to
be Project Gateway and while its

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precursor was Project Aquarius,
so they you know, eventually

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broke from this and they ran
parallel to each other where

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Project Aquarius eventually
merged or transformed into

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Project Gateway, which is the
out of body or the astral

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projection remote viewing.
Remote viewing.

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Thank you.
The remote viewing side of

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things and there was definitely
as part of the project Montauk,

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I can send you a whole series of
books on this.

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There was a absolute ton of
stuff about psychological

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warfare and then also something
that you you would very much

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describe as astral body warfare
or and it's I have no doubts

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that that stuff never stopped.
So I mean, just like, you know,

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there's a lot of people out
there that that will tell you

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Project Gateway never ended.
Yeah, I.

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Heard about that?
I'm sorry, I keep calling.

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It Gateway, Stargate.
Stargate.

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Stargate yeah, that one I know.
Yeah, yeah.

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I, I saw a guy on, on the John
Cooper show, which I, I did a

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interview with that would come
out in a few days.

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He was talking to a guy and
probably the most interesting

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guy ever.
And they have like on most of

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his videos got like a couple
1000 views.

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And this one, it's like got to a
certain point and then it

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stopped.
And you know, that's when like

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this person is like a serious
person.

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He was talking about how he was
involved in the cults and killed

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hundreds of people and all of
this stuff.

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And he was talking about this
Montauk thing.

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That's where I heard just a few
days ago, and he was saying how

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he was trained to psychically
destabilize and harass people

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through the psychic energy and
the psychic mind.

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And when I did my interview with
him, I said, look, I've never

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been involved in those things.
I've never been in the cult

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environment where I was forced
to do terrible things to other

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people and stuff like that.
But people like him have been

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around me and my family and
targeted me.

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So I'm not in that circle, but
I'm surrounded by those, those

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people, yeah.
And I'm not a, I'm not a pop

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culture kind of guy really, but
I do know that the brothers who

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created Stranger Things actually
based that off of Montauk and

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the the experiments that went
that happened there.

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Obviously they for people that
aren't familiar with it, they

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actually they dumbed it down and
I hate saying it like that for

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strangers they watered.
It down they did.

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But they made it so that it's
more acceptable to the public,

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right?
But all that stuff was was very

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much something that was actively
done back in the 70s and 80s in

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Montauk.
And it was brutal.

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It was very brutal.
And it had to do a lot with

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astral projection and and a lot
of non physical communication,

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non physical, non physical
physical contact, if you will.

452
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,320
So anybody's had more time
watching?

453
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,760
The last three seasons of
Stranger Things.

454
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,000
I really enjoyed the first two
seasons.

455
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,960
Actually, that was 3.
Yeah, 6.

456
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,680
I enjoyed watching the first two
seasons because the writing was

457
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,040
really great and the story was
really immersive.

458
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,840
You felt like you were there in
the story.

459
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,120
And then it just got.
It just went downhill.

460
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,360
It went totally crap, like
they're doing with all the films

461
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,160
these days where it's just
constant monologuing, constant

462
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,920
talking, constant descriptions,
like you're breaking all the

463
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,120
rules of storytelling.
You're supposed to show, not

464
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,520
tell.
You know they're.

465
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,200
Trying to dangle the shiny keys
and getting as much attention

466
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,160
from yeah from layman's as
possible, but.

467
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,840
They're also dumbing down the
audience, and they're doing this

468
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,160
on purpose.
They're making films bad these

469
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,800
days because they don't want
people to know the young people

470
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,400
to know what quality is and how
stories are supposed to be told.

471
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:34,920
Anyway, that's a whole other
story.

472
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:40,040
So the last three seasons, not
only is the writing really bad

473
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:44,640
and it's full of monologuing and
they're showing and they're

474
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:50,520
telling and not showing, but the
MK Ultra monarch mind control

475
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:55,720
symbolism in the really kicked
in in the third season with all

476
00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:00,280
of the these spider things and
all of these just really creepy

477
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,920
imagery that I just found really
like they had butterflies.

478
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,240
There too, didn't they?
Yeah, they had butterflies.

479
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,200
As well.
But the thing that became most

480
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,080
evident, most evident to the
point where I could no longer

481
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,880
enjoy the show as a fictional
fantasy because I enjoyed the

482
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:23,600
show.
That every single character in

483
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:30,040
that show is a a part of
somebody's split personality.

484
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,960
That it's probably 2 characters
with dissociative identity

485
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,720
disorder and the rest of the
characters are one of the

486
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:44,200
identities of those two people.
And they made it so obvious in

487
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:49,240
the last two seasons, maybe 3,
but definitely the last two

488
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,480
seasons that I just thought,
well this whole thing that I'm

489
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,640
watching is bullshit, right?
This whole story, this whole

490
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,680
fantasy, it's clearly just
happening in their head and I

491
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,800
can't enjoy it anymore as as ATV
show.

492
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:02,560
Thanks guys.
Really.

493
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,120
You could have done a better job
at hiding that, especially the

494
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,840
fact that the two main
characters that I'm talking

495
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,920
about is Nancy Wheeler and John
Hopper.

496
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:20,639
Wheeler, One of the references
to changing between your

497
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,719
different identities is like
being on a wheel and you spin

498
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,080
around to your different
identities.

499
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:33,679
Hopper, John Hopper.
Another common term that is used

500
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:37,360
with dissociative identity
disorder is hopping between your

501
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,960
different identities.
So just I'm really disappointed

502
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,480
I didn't watch the final episode
because I just thought, fuck

503
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,040
that.
These guys are assholes.

504
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,480
They're really, they're really
just messing with people's

505
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,159
heads.
And I've had enough of it, Yeah.

506
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,040
Yeah.
Well, oh shit.

507
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,240
I didn't mean to to touch on
that, but.

508
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,080
Yeah, I like movies and I like
series.

509
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,800
I like stories when they're told
well and I was invested in that

510
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,560
story and I do watch stories
even when I know that they're

511
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,880
that they have all this dark
nefarious stuff going on behind

512
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,000
it, you know, that it's got mind
control stuff in it.

513
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,480
I still watch them as well
because I relate to them.

514
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,840
You know, I relate to the whole
Stranger Things story.

515
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,360
So I get really passionate when
they, you know, ruin the stories

516
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,040
that I like watching.
So it's like you can't just

517
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:34,920
enjoy.
Something, huh?

518
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:36,800
Yeah.
They they.

519
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,320
Won't let you do it.
Well, this is actually a great

520
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:45,040
segue because the the first
thing we're now what, 35 minutes

521
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,600
into the interview and and now
I'm getting to the first part I

522
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,200
wanted to touch on.
I want to touch on the monarch

523
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,880
memories.
So on your third episode with

524
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,160
Gareth, with Gareth Ike, you
describe the tunnel memory in

525
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,320
detail for the first time
publicly.

526
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,720
The cart, the scarecrow, the
lion dolls, the neon lights

527
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:09,280
saying sex and love, the yellow
underground space, the end.

528
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,920
Our audience hasn't heard that
yet, so can you take us through

529
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,680
it?
But Are you sure I didn't?

530
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,480
Say that in in one of the
episodes with you.

531
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,640
No, we never.
Went through the the parallels

532
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,880
to like the Wizard of Oz or
anything like that.

533
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,920
That was that was completely new
information for me.

534
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,920
I thought I.
I thought I, if you see, I

535
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,160
thought I did that, you know,
maybe in my head I wanted to do

536
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,280
that but never got got around to
it.

537
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,320
So yeah, I will.
I will go over that again here.

538
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,640
I just did another interview
today where I explained it

539
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:50,400
again.
No, no, no, it's, it's good

540
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,560
because I need to get used to
talking about it and explaining

541
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:58,280
it with a clear mind.
And the first couple of times I

542
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,000
tried to talk about it, I think
my throat got really scratchy

543
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,160
and I could hardly talk.
I needed water.

544
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,760
I think that happened with the
Gareth Ike show.

545
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,360
And then I did the John Cooper
one a couple of days ago, which

546
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,120
is not out yet.
My, my throat got scratchy at

547
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,280
exactly the same point.
I was like coughing.

548
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,000
I couldn't talk.
So it's better that I just keep.

549
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,240
Repeating it in this.
Setting and and hopefully my my

550
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:26,400
throat doesn't close up again.
Well, it's it's really deep.

551
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,440
Stuff.
So by all means, if if you would

552
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,960
like to skip that, you're more
than welcome to no no.

553
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,560
No, no, this is what I'm here
for.

554
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,400
This is what I'm doing.
I might as well just fucking go

555
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,760
ahead, right?
I'm at this, I'm at this point,

556
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,200
you know, like I'm here to tell
the story and I'm, I'm here to

557
00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:48,320
to share these experiences, just
to be one of the many people

558
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,640
that are coming out today and
saying this stuff happens.

559
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,800
This stuff happened to me and
it's like this wave of truth

560
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,600
coming out.
And I'm not just repeating these

561
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,120
stories so that people can be
like fascinated or disgusted or

562
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,120
feel terrible.
There's, there's a purpose.

563
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,560
There's a purpose to telling the
truth.

564
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:13,040
It's a, it's a, it's a fact of,
of, of releasing and cleansing

565
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,640
and exposing, bringing to light
all that which is hidden,

566
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,880
including the dark and terrible
things as well as the, the good

567
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,840
things.
So that's what we're here for.

568
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:29,960
So I have had, let's say 3
memories that were sort of

569
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:36,960
clustered together from my time
when I was in Los Angeles, CA,

570
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,240
when I was going to school and
between I went to two different

571
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:43,760
schools there.
I went to Beverly Hills School

572
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,600
and I went to Laurel Canyon
School.

573
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,120
And your viewers should probably
know about Laurel Canyon.

574
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,720
We went over that in a previous
episode.

575
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:56,000
It's a very conspiratorial place
where all this kind of mind

576
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,240
control, military occult stuff
has happened.

577
00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:02,520
And I, I lived there for a while
and I still have family that

578
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,960
lives there, that has their
permanent residence there.

579
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,360
And the last time I was there, I
visited my aunt when I was 13.

580
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,760
So anyway I.
Remember being six years old,

581
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:18,200
sitting at the break time at
school and just sitting there on

582
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,440
the floor against the wall and
staring into space and reliving

583
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,160
this memory over and over and
over and over in my head.

584
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,720
Now I remembered it as a memory,
but I don't remember going

585
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:32,160
there.
I don't know how I got there.

586
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,560
It didn't make any sense because
the whole memory was like.

587
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,680
Couldn't possibly.
Be real.

588
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,880
So it was just this thing
floating around in my mind that

589
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:48,600
felt like any other memory.
And I carried it with me my, my

590
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,720
whole life.
And it wasn't until I was like

591
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:56,640
16 when I started reading all of
the conspiracy literature and I

592
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,800
read, started reading that Cisco
Wheeler of France.

593
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:07,520
France speed Meyer or something
who wrote the Illuminati formula

594
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,960
mind control book.
If you haven't heard of it, look

595
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,960
at it.
It's really not nice to look at,

596
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:21,080
but it's it's definitely useful
for for Someone Like You with

597
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:25,040
your kind of podcast.
It's called the Illuminati

598
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,760
formula to create an
undetectable Mind control slave,

599
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,160
you know, a very easygoing
title.

600
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,040
Anyway, I started reading that
and reading Cathy O'Brien and

601
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,800
and David Icke and all that
stuff.

602
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:45,120
And, and then, like, it just
clicked that what I was reading

603
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:52,240
in these mind control books was
basically describing the, the

604
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:57,360
that strange memory that I had
when I was six years old.

605
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,200
That's it.
Yeah.

606
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:06,600
So the reason why I made the
connection is because in this

607
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,720
Monarch mind control, which is
an offshoot of MK Ultra, they

608
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:15,320
use various themes for their
mind control programs because

609
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,280
the the mind responds to visuals
and symbols and stuff.

610
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,280
And when you're using stories
that are already established and

611
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,880
already out there in the world
in Disney and various books and

612
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,960
popular culture, those are
useful themes to use in mind

613
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,640
control because they're readily
accessible imagery all around

614
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:40,480
us.
So what was spoken about in

615
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:46,400
these books was the Wizard of Oz
mind control programming where

616
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:53,040
they use the Oz books and the Oz
movie as a base for various mind

617
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,880
control purposes that have to do
with sex, dissociative

618
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,480
identities.
And I think some of them even

619
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:08,880
use the Wizard of Oz for like
those assassin type programmed

620
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,960
individuals.
So I think that it can be used

621
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,040
for different purposes.
But for me, I think the purpose

622
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:20,720
was something to do with sex
programming and possibly to try

623
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:23,040
and split my mind, which never
worked.

624
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,680
That never happened.
I never went through a full

625
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:29,240
complete program.
And then obviously I think

626
00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:33,000
they're just kind of anchors to
put in my mind so that in the

627
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,360
future, if I was to go down the
career path they wanted me to,

628
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,240
they would have all of those
symbolic anchors in my in my

629
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:44,720
mind to bring out and trigger
when it was necessary to get me

630
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:46,480
to do things that they wanted me
to do.

631
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:54,840
So let's say where I was living
in this Hollywood place, they

632
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,440
have access to all of these
props.

633
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:05,040
They have access to.
All of these props for films and

634
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,800
for what do you call it, theme
parks and stuff like that.

635
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:14,160
So they have massive underground
bases of warehouses where they

636
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:19,560
can develop film sets, put kids,
even adults on drugs, and then

637
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:25,840
send them into these sets to go
through these various little

638
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:31,440
setups.
And what I was put through the

639
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,240
memory that I have, it was sort
of like a room that was built to

640
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:38,920
be totally blacked out on the
inside.

641
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,560
And it had a little cart with a
train track, you know, like they

642
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,640
have on those little kids roller
coasters.

643
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:53,280
So it was basically a little
track that they had built inside

644
00:43:53,280 --> 00:44:00,240
a black room.
I was put in this track on on in

645
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:06,040
this cart, let's say on the
track with a lion, which I

646
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:10,760
believe represented courage in
the Wizard of Oz books and

647
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,920
movies.
There was no scarecrow, which

648
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,600
represents the brain.
So I think that that's also

649
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:23,000
symbolic that there was no
scarecrow because they didn't

650
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,600
want me to have a brain
basically.

651
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:33,360
And then they I was pushed down
this track on this little sort

652
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:38,360
of ride down this black tunnel.
And there was these flashing

653
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:44,240
neon lights down the tunnel that
were saying sex and love.

654
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,800
And then when I got to the end
of this tunnel and I got off of

655
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:53,880
this little ride, I was in this
massive, what looked like a

656
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:58,400
underground parking lot, and it
was completely yellow.

657
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,920
I imagine now as an adult that
it was most likely yellow

658
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,960
because they had yellow lights
flooding the room and I was

659
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,680
probably under some kind of drug
that made the yellow even more

660
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,440
brilliant.
So it gave me the impression of

661
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,720
being the yellow brick road.
Then from the very end, the

662
00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:24,520
corner of this this massive
parking lot space, there came

663
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:30,560
out a person dressed as a robot.
So the Tin Man, as a child, it

664
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,280
looked like a real robot coming
to get me.

665
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,480
As an adult, I realized that it
was literally just a man covered

666
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:43,120
in cardboard boxes, spray
painted in silver paint.

667
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,920
And it looked like the classic
Tin Man or robot Halloween

668
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,560
costume that you can make at
home, right?

669
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,880
But it had a massive heart
painted on its chest.

670
00:45:54,920 --> 00:46:00,320
And I've seen this same robot
figure in various SNL sketches

671
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,720
and, and Hollywood films and
things like that.

672
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,040
Anyway, so this robot is coming
towards me.

673
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,760
And I just remember being
completely terrified.

674
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:15,200
Like I was really, really
terrified.

675
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,000
When you're that age, you're not
supposed to feel that kind of

676
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,200
terror.
I was terrified.

677
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,440
And this, this person dresses
robots coming towards me and I

678
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:32,120
remember it not talking to me.
I don't know where the messaging

679
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:38,280
was coming from, but I was being
told that the robot wanted me to

680
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,040
love it, that it needed love,
that it wanted love over and

681
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:48,000
over and over again.
So that would be my one and only

682
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:54,240
very important Monarch mind
control memory to do with the

683
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:58,240
Wizard of Oz programming.
And even if I just have one

684
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:01,200
memory, that's more than enough.
You're not supposed to remember

685
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,240
any of it.
You know.

686
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,400
You're not supposed to remember
anything.

687
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,840
And I remembered because I have
a strong mind.

688
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,280
And also that could be
potentially why they didn't

689
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,080
carry on the programming with me
because maybe it didn't fit to

690
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:22,520
me, you know, maybe I didn't
have that right kind of mind for

691
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:27,880
them to to break and to program.
And then there's another memory

692
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,480
that was all part of this
clustered memories that I had

693
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,400
repeating my mind at that age
where I was in some kind of

694
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:38,120
basement, more dungeon style
this time, very small basement

695
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,120
with like a table or a strapped
down and sort of spun upside

696
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,960
down.
And I know that that's a classic

697
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:49,040
mind control mechanism with the
spinning and and stuff like

698
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,840
that.
So those are my memory.

699
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,560
There's one other part that I
don't want to repeat right now.

700
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:59,400
I already repeated it once this
evening and I don't feel like

701
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,480
repeating it again.
It's not even that bad.

702
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,360
It just makes me uncomfortable.
So no, no, it's.

703
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,600
I totally get it.
Forgive me.

704
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,920
And again, you know, I, I have
to ask the question because, you

705
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,080
know, I'm, I'm the host here.
But by all means, if you don't

706
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,920
want to answer any of this,
please don't.

707
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:26,440
But just with all the news
that's going on right now with

708
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:32,920
the Epstein files and
everything, Oh, man, I I I

709
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,480
again, Laurel.
Canyon Laurel.

710
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:43,640
Canyon has been roached quite a
bit in the talks about Epstein

711
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:48,360
and and everything.
Does this connect with your

712
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,560
story at all in any way?
I look, it's.

713
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:55,520
It's all one big, massive
criminal network, and it's

714
00:48:55,520 --> 00:49:00,440
across the entire globe.
You know, Epstein is just one of

715
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:05,440
the many people involved and he
just so happened to be a face

716
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,920
that was among celebrities.
But there are so many others in

717
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,320
the celebrity world that we've
probably seen their face many

718
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:13,880
times.
We have no idea that there's

719
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:20,240
another Epstein.
But then, you know, you're maybe

720
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:27,120
there's people in London who are
big lawyers or doctors who are

721
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:32,400
just the same, doing the same
things, but on their communal

722
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,520
local level.
You know, it's it's everywhere.

723
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,560
This whole thing coming out with
Epstein, I am very calm about

724
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,240
it.
I'm not like, oh, wow, that's so

725
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:46,520
crazy.
It's like, Yep, you know, I'm

726
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:51,600
kind of just observing.
Just kind of like, OK, it's all

727
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:57,160
not all, but something's coming
out and we don't really know why

728
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,320
it's coming out.
Why are they putting this out

729
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,000
there?
There must be a purpose.

730
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:06,440
I think it could be part of this
controlled demolition of society

731
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,120
as we know it, because they want
to remake the world in a new

732
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,880
image and that this is all part
of the controlled demolition

733
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,440
process.
And also, if there's ever an air

734
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,960
of deniability, they can get
away with it.

735
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:25,920
You know, the whole Hillary
Clinton, the video saying of her

736
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,560
killing someone, killing a child
that came out years ago and and

737
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,440
nothing happened because there
is an air of deniability.

738
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:37,480
And also when you sell your soul
to Satan in all of these

739
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,800
stories, you know, it doesn't
end well for the person that

740
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,160
sells their soul.
So P Diddy sold his soul.

741
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,080
Well, Satan's come to collect
now.

742
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,480
You had your fame, you had your
money, you had your power, you

743
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,400
had your respect.
Now it's over because that's how

744
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,360
it works when you make a deal
with the devil.

745
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,360
So they don't really care that
they're throwing their own

746
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,920
people under the bus.
They don't care on it's for

747
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,200
specific purpose because now you
guys are fulfilling your

748
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,840
purpose.
I need to use you as part of my

749
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,680
whole scheme to remake the
world.

750
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,880
So I don't really know how I'm
supposed to feel about all this

751
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,520
stuff coming out.
I'm not happy about it.

752
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,400
You know, I, I, I don't know
what to say.

753
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,280
I don't know what to say.
No, it's it's a.

754
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:33,360
Very heavy topic.
And you know, I, I, I feel

755
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,440
terrible even going there, but I
know that if I don't ask the

756
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,120
question, I'm going to get asked
why I didn't ask the question.

757
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,280
Ask.
Ask whatever question.

758
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:47,120
You want I, I, I am capable of
really capable of anything.

759
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,160
I'm asking whatever you want.
I don't.

760
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:54,720
I'm not easily, I'm not offended
in any way shape or form.

761
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:56,600
Like I'm just not that kind of
person.

762
00:51:57,240 --> 00:52:00,760
And if if someone says something
to me that makes me feel

763
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:05,920
uncomfortable, it's fine.
It's fine to feel uncomfortable,

764
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,200
it's fine if I don't want to
answer, I'll say it.

765
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,400
But that doesn't mean you
shouldn't ask it.

766
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:14,520
Go ahead, ask whatever you want,
feel comfortable, you know, be

767
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,600
yourself going back.
Into our our other two episodes.

768
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,360
Do you believe that what you
went through was part of the

769
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,360
bigger picture that also
connects with the Epstein stuff

770
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,480
that's coming out?
Well, I mean.

771
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:32,800
As I said, it's all one massive
network, Yeah, but there's

772
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,600
millions of people involved in
this network, you know?

773
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,040
I I'm.
Maybe there are some key figures

774
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:47,960
within there, within my personal
experience that know the same

775
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,040
people.
What's proof who's being

776
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,040
revealed in the Epstein files?
I don't know.

777
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:59,040
I don't know that I know that
there what those kids and young

778
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:04,640
women, young men as well, young
boys went through.

779
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,560
Were to do with.
Mind control and sex

780
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,240
trafficking.
But you have different levels.

781
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:16,960
You know, you have disposable
people, disposable kids that

782
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,560
they find and they use for a
specific purpose.

783
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:25,920
For me, fortunately, I'm not a
disposable person.

784
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,680
You know, I come from a specific
family, probably a specific

785
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:32,240
bloodline.
I'm not just a kid that they

786
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:35,640
picked up off the street,
kidnapped one day and then and

787
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:39,760
then used for a specific purpose
and discarded, which is what

788
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,400
they were doing.
Those Epstein folk with a lot of

789
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,920
these, these young people.
And I saw a video the other day

790
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:52,800
that really I did not want to
see where it was from the

791
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,120
Epstein files.
And there was a, a young boy and

792
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,760
he had his face painted in his
different colours from that

793
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:04,280
music video.
Somebody, somebody, now you're

794
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:08,880
just somebody that I used to
know that just made me feel

795
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:13,840
physically just awful.
It just makes me feel awful

796
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:19,080
because what we're witnessing
there is a child undergoing the

797
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,000
splitting of the mind and
torture and trauma based mind

798
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,880
control that they're, they're
show now millions of people

799
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:30,880
across the world are watching
this young boy undergo mind

800
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,880
control.
And I'm used to seeing these

801
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,960
kids, you know, these people
surrounded me with these kids

802
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:40,160
and I, I don't like it.
I don't like seeing those

803
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,680
things, knowing that there's
nothing that I could do to to

804
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,320
help that kid, you know, what am
I?

805
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,640
What am I supposed to do with
that, you know?

806
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,760
It's a touchy subject for, for
myself and, and my wife too.

807
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,560
So I'm not going to, I'm not
going to stay on this for too

808
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:04,680
long.
In fact, I, I don't talk about

809
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,320
this stuff a lot on this show.
Like normally this is like

810
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,200
aliens, Bigfoot, that kind of
stuff.

811
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:15,120
So I don't really get to express
my feelings on this, but I know

812
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:20,280
what video you're talking about.
And that video, amongst many

813
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,360
others that have recently been
released, it just gives you

814
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,360
this, this feeling in your
stomach where, I mean, like, you

815
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,400
just want to go outside and
punch trees down.

816
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,400
It's, you know, it angers you.
It really does.

817
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,440
Yeah.
It's disturbing.

818
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,320
Yeah.
So to go from from one difficult

819
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,720
topic to another, just to move
along on the script that I had

820
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:51,440
for today.
Sorry, I, I just can't deal with

821
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,480
when people fuck with kids.
I can't Like it's, it's, it

822
00:55:55,480 --> 00:56:00,320
bothers me to no end.
And you know, I just, you know.

823
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:05,520
One of the reasons why I kept
all of my experiences a secret

824
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:10,280
the last 12 years, it's because
nobody deserves to have any of

825
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,520
these images put in their head,
even if I'm just telling them a

826
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,280
story.
I don't want to put that.

827
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,640
Kind of heaviness in anyone's
mind.

828
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,640
No one should have to even
imagine what I'm saying right

829
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,800
now.
It's not fair, you know?

830
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,960
So I was protecting people from
those feelings, from having to

831
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,080
carry that knowledge.
It's not OK.

832
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:31,960
No one should have to carry
that.

833
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,240
Nobody but it's.
It's good to know what we're

834
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:38,720
surrounded by like we are.
We are surrounded by some real

835
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:47,080
scum.
And it, it's I there, there is

836
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,920
positives to this.
And I don't want to come off

837
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,000
insensitive because I promise
you I'm not.

838
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,040
But at least people's stories
are getting out there and

839
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,520
they're being heard.
You know, it's, it's, it's their

840
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,600
own validation.
It's, it's for them.

841
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,560
They went through some fucking
hard shit, including yourself

842
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:11,520
and getting out there.
I, I know from my own PTSD from

843
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:15,120
stuff in the, in the Navy and
other things in my life that

844
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,840
talking about things is a form
of healing.

845
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:23,040
It is a form of, of therapy.
And you know, thinking of all

846
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,800
the, the kids that came forward
and said, Hey, this happened to

847
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:31,320
me and then that were dismissed.
Now they're being validated.

848
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:37,520
It's got a yes, it sucks to to
to relive that and be forced

849
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:41,240
into the the limelight for that,
that kind of crap.

850
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:47,680
But at the same time, it's good
that we're we're acknowledging

851
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,400
it now.
Yeah, something.

852
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,480
Something really powerful is
happening.

853
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,080
I mean, I don't know what the
hell happened to me when one day

854
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,120
I just woke up and I was like,
that's it.

855
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:57,680
I'm just going to say everything
as it is.

856
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,120
I'm not going to write fiction
books.

857
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:00,760
I'm just going to fucking tell
everybody.

858
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:05,320
And I'm really grateful to you
and Jeff for being the first

859
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:10,160
people that I I came out to
publicly and you guys were

860
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,560
really cool.
And I'm, I'm really grateful

861
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:19,680
because I think that that was a
huge step in my own, my own

862
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:23,400
healing and building a new life
for myself.

863
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,760
So, well, I'm grateful.
I'm grateful for.

864
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:31,800
You giving us the opportunity
and I'm honored to be in a

865
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,000
position to be able to do that
for you.

866
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:41,160
Beyond honored I, you know,
whenever you and I do do chat

867
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:46,320
and you know, we start planning,
I get excited like I, I really

868
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,760
do look forward to having these
conversations with you.

869
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,320
I, I really look forward to
hearing your story.

870
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,640
I, I like going on this journey
with you, even though it's it's

871
00:58:55,640 --> 00:59:01,480
a very sensitive subject and I'm
incredibly honored to be in the

872
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,200
position that I am and you know,
thank you just thank you.

873
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:14,440
All right, so moving on.
OK, all right, let's all right.

874
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,560
Man, I wish I had coffee or
something.

875
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:19,960
So I got the other.
Questions.

876
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,720
I feel like caffeine.
Oh, yeah, I got tons of them.

877
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,480
I feel like caffeine would help
calm me down right now.

878
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,640
That's how bad.
That's how bad this is.

879
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:33,960
Yeah.
All right, So on On the third

880
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,360
episode with Gareth, you talked
about a memory you recovered at

881
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:41,000
19, a man with a clipboard, the
bright fluorescent light

882
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,560
questions, no correct answers,
and you suspected electricity

883
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,880
was involved.
That one triggered a panic

884
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,240
attack when it came back.
What do you think that specific

885
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:52,600
scenario was designed to do to
you?

886
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,480
Oh, that's yeah, that's.
An interesting question.

887
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:01,640
I think that the fact that the
questions that the person was

888
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,800
asking me, the person with the
clipboard was asking me were

889
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,520
nonsense questions that didn't
make any sense.

890
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:12,200
And the fact that no matter what
answer I gave, which was just

891
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:16,240
yes or no, I was wrong.
And every time I was wrong, they

892
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:23,040
would press this button.
I think the purpose of that was

893
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,720
to sort of like a trained
helplessness.

894
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:31,080
I would say a sort of, it
doesn't matter what I do, what

895
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,920
kind of decision I make for
myself, it's going to be wrong.

896
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,520
So I have to wait for somebody
to come and tell me what to do

897
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:41,000
and how to do it because I can't
make decisions on my own.

898
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:46,400
And I struggle with that with my
day-to-day life.

899
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,600
I think that there's no way I
could ever get a job because I

900
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,080
would do it wrong.
And no one would ever want me to

901
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,840
to work for them because I would
do everything wrong.

902
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,640
You know, that's why I've always
been waiting for someone to come

903
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,280
along and be like, Oh, you're a
great artist or you can do this

904
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,960
and, and, and, and we'll help
you with your career.

905
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,240
That's exactly what they were
training me for.

906
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,880
And that's exactly what I've
been waiting for someone to just

907
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:12,960
come along and hand me a career
and say, do this and we'll pay

908
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,440
you, you know, because that's,
that's what I've, I've been

909
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,280
trained for.
And growing up in the

910
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,400
entertainment industry or
surrounded by entertainment

911
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,960
people and, and the lifestyle
where they think that you're

912
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:30,960
just going to inherit or adopt
your father's or grandfather's

913
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:38,120
legacy and fame and, and their,
their, their career and just

914
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,120
adopt it into your own life.
And you just make it like that.

915
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,680
And I always believed that was
what was going to happen, that

916
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:48,280
at some point someone will
notice me and I will make a

917
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,520
career.
And that's just how it works.

918
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,960
But that's not how it works.
You have to work very hard and

919
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,840
you have to build something and
you have to make decisions for

920
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,280
yourself, not just follow what
someone else is telling you to

921
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,800
do.
So I believe that that specific

922
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:11,520
episode was really about
training me to not trust myself

923
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:15,640
and the decisions that I make.
I think that that had a big,

924
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:19,080
huge impact on me
developmentally.

925
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:25,880
So, yeah, so.
All right, moving on to your

926
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:29,320
second episode with us.
Sorry.

927
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,240
You mentioned being 15 in the
Bahamas, being pressured to move

928
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:39,240
to LA.
This is time.

929
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,560
Timeline wise, it sounds like
this is about the time that the

930
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:47,320
Wizard of Oz thing happened, or
just immediately after, or

931
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,640
possibly before.
Forgive me, what did you feel in

932
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,080
that moment?
Did something pull at you or

933
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,280
were you already aware enough to
see what it was?

934
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,120
Well, the Wizard of Oz.
Thing happened when I was six

935
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,160
years old.
Those memories were when I was

936
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:04,480
six years old, when I was in the
Bahamas on holiday, which I

937
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:08,680
thought was a holiday.
The Wizard of Oz movie came on

938
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:13,920
in the hotel and it was very
eerie and very creepy and very

939
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:19,000
weird and I was just stoned and
I had bought weed from a

940
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,560
Rastafari on the beach and
smoked it with my 12 year old

941
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:28,480
cousin, much to his mother's
chagrin.

942
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:33,640
She found out later anyway, so
it was a very creepy situation.

943
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:37,160
And looking back on it now, it,
it, I, I honestly, I get the

944
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,440
sense there was other forces at
work going on there, especially

945
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:44,440
because the Bahamas is well, is
well known for this type of mind

946
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,480
control black magic stuff going
on.

947
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,480
And it's, it's a holiday spot
for the wealthy.

948
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:55,480
So yeah, I, I was being drawn
back to LA.

949
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:56,920
That's where they wanted me to
move.

950
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,520
They wanted me to leave my mom,
my school, my home, all my

951
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,920
friends, and move halfway across
the world, all the way across

952
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:09,360
the world to go and live in this
town, which my mother raised me

953
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:14,080
to know that Hollywood is full
of creeps and perverts.

954
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:18,680
I didn't want to move there when
I was 15 and start a career.

955
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:23,280
Like I had no desire to become
famous and make a career.

956
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:27,160
I just wanted to have fun with
my friends, period.

957
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:32,840
So I think that because my
mother was always very honest

958
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,600
with me about her experiences as
a child growing up there, I

959
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,120
just, I just knew that it's not
right.

960
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:42,400
I'm not supposed to be there.
There's nothing glamorous about

961
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,120
it.
I know that it's full of creeps.

962
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,960
Why would I want to go there?
You know, so on.

963
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:53,800
The third episode you did with
Gareth again, you made a

964
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:58,960
connection between area Ariana
Grande's music video and your

965
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:02,080
own tunnel memory.
The black room, neon lights,

966
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:05,760
laboratory leather straps.
You said it literally resembled

967
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,560
resembled your own memories.
Have you gone back and looked at

968
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,000
more of her work since making
the connection?

969
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,480
No, I went back and.
Looked at.

970
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,040
I went back and looked at that
music video.

971
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,800
There was no straps.
Imagine that.

972
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:22,360
But she was on a a doctor's
chair.

973
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,440
And that's why I associated it
with the straps because I was on

974
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,320
one of those chairs, but there
was straps.

975
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:32,240
Basically it was more like a
bed, the one that I was on.

976
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:37,000
These doctors chairs, they like
turn into beds, you know, But

977
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:41,200
just the imagery of her being in
the doctor's office where

978
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:45,160
they're erasing her memories.
And then she goes into this

979
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:50,840
black room, like the black
tunnel that I was in with neon

980
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,720
lights.
And I can't, I don't know, I

981
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,920
can't remember in the music
video if they said love or sex,

982
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:00,680
but I know that there was pink
and blue neon lights.

983
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:06,080
Like in my memory they were pink
and blue neon lights exactly

984
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,880
like that.
And that that's just enough.

985
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:11,720
That's more than enough.
Especially the fact that she's

986
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:16,680
gone and done a movie of Wizard
of Oz shit that's.

987
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:18,000
Right.
She did, didn't she?

988
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,760
She just did that.
My that's right.

989
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,400
My my wife and my daughter were
just watching that just a little

990
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:29,640
while ago yeah, yeah.
She played the the print or the

991
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,080
the good witch, right?
Yeah, yeah.

992
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,320
Fuck, that's creepy.
I meant to go.

993
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:46,160
I meant to go and watch that
music video, but I didn't.

994
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:48,320
Do you remember the name of the
song?

995
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:53,040
It's.
No, but you type in Ariana

996
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:58,040
Grande memory erasure, it'll
come up cuz it's about erasing

997
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:02,840
the memories of her, of her
lover, OK.

998
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,400
I'm gonna cuz I I now I
especially with the Wizard of Oz

999
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:11,480
thing and I man, I'm so sorry.
No, no, no.

1000
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,440
It's.
It's it's just, it's it's mind

1001
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:19,480
or it's eye opening to just see
how much they throw this at you

1002
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,560
and they just put it right
there, right.

1003
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:26,120
I mean it.
And Ariana Grande is tied to

1004
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:30,800
like Nickelodeon and shit, you
know and you know.

1005
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:35,960
Even when I was a kid, I knew
Nickelodeon was creepy as hell.

1006
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,600
I hated Nickelodeon.
I wanted nothing to do with

1007
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,360
Nickelodeon.
Every time that Channel came on,

1008
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,520
I thought, what?
Why are all the characters so

1009
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:46,800
ugly?
Why is everything so like, crazy

1010
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,400
and weird?
You know, I was a hardcore

1011
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,440
Cartoon Network Boomerang
channel kid.

1012
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:54,040
I liked Courage the Cowardly
Dog.

1013
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:57,520
And yes, Courage the Cowardly
Dog is creepy, but it's artistic

1014
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,560
and it's intelligent.
It's interesting, you know,

1015
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:03,800
Nickelodeon is just.
Weird.

1016
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:09,760
The whole SpongeBob thing being
about Epstein Island, oh man, I.

1017
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:14,080
I heard that the other day too.
I, I'd never heard that before

1018
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:17,080
until, shit, probably about a
week ago.

1019
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,080
And I was like, coming out.
Yeah.

1020
01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:24,319
I'm not even going down.
That path not even going to go

1021
01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:28,240
down that one.
So I'm not going to lie, I.

1022
01:08:28,279 --> 01:08:31,080
Did I did enjoy some SpongeBob
episodes?

1023
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:33,600
Even though I found the
character that's noxious and

1024
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:38,080
annoying, I I did enjoy some
SpongeBob, not going to lie I

1025
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:39,760
don't think.
I really watched too much

1026
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:41,840
SpongeBob.
I did, however, watch a ton of

1027
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:44,640
Nickelodeon.
I remember watching like Rocket

1028
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,359
Power and Rugrats and Hey Arnold
and stuff.

1029
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:50,920
Yeah, the the the R on it is
pretty weird.

1030
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,600
Real monsters was another one.
You know, you see all these

1031
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,279
creepy.
Things, Hey Arnold's, all the

1032
01:08:56,279 --> 01:08:59,479
characters had strange shaped
faces, Rugrats, they were all

1033
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:01,640
had strange shapes.
It's all really ugly.

1034
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,760
But I think, you know, in the
United States, Nickelodeon was

1035
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:08,479
probably more accessible.
I think I had access to Cartoon

1036
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,680
Network and Boomerang simply
because my grandparents paid for

1037
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:16,800
this, these special networks.
So I was very lucky to have high

1038
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:22,240
quality, high quality kids shows
compared to what they're showing

1039
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:26,040
kids now, which is all this like
dumb, dumb, dumb.

1040
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:32,680
Rama.
Weird 3D Bunny rabbits jumping

1041
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:39,399
around like yeah yeah.
I got I have 4 kids and some of

1042
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:42,359
the things that they are they've
watched throughout the years.

1043
01:09:42,359 --> 01:09:48,279
My, my youngest right now is 3.
And it's just like, Oh my gosh,

1044
01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:49,760
dude, what are we doing to these
kids?

1045
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,960
You, you know.
I can recommend you because I

1046
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:56,760
really you're not a movie guy,
but I'm super movie person and I

1047
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:00,560
love kids movies and I love
animated movies.

1048
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:04,560
I can give you a list and sure,
they're all still made by all

1049
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,080
the creepy people.
Whatever, whatever.

1050
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:11,680
I can give you a list of some
really amazing kids movies like

1051
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,920
I I love the Atlantis, the
Disney Atlantis movie, Treasure

1052
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:23,400
Planet, amazing film, Emperor's
New Groove, hilarious kids film.

1053
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:27,800
I love that film.
You know, I think that for all

1054
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:32,440
the parents watching, go back to
the old school movies before

1055
01:10:32,440 --> 01:10:36,360
everything got like really too
chaotic and stuff.

1056
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:39,880
It's high quality stuff and our
our kids, they deserve to watch

1057
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,800
some good cartoons.
I I actually.

1058
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:47,080
Do enjoy sitting down and
watching a lot of a lot of

1059
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:52,160
cartoons in general.
With the kids, I mean, I, I do

1060
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:54,440
watch some movies.
I don't watch a lot of them.

1061
01:10:54,440 --> 01:10:58,480
If I do, it's kind of like the
horror, sci-fi, aliens, invading

1062
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:02,600
kind of stuff.
And then past that it's sitting

1063
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,240
down with kids watching the good
old, the good, good old movies.

1064
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:08,600
Do you watch a lot?
Of like new movies or are you

1065
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:09,960
made?
Are you like into the older

1066
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:11,760
movies?
No most.

1067
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,720
Are you talking about sci-fi or
the kids cartoon sci-fi?

1068
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,680
Oh, I I.
Just like all all kinds of

1069
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:22,000
stuff.
Literally, I love creature

1070
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,360
features.
So if it's got a creature in it,

1071
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:29,800
you know, just coming to mind
first thing is Cloverfield,

1072
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:31,760
right?
There was a lot of people that

1073
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:36,800
absolutely hated that movie, but
thinking that the US got their

1074
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:40,200
own Godzilla was a awesome thing
to me.

1075
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:43,600
I loved it and I thought I
really wanted to see JJ Abrams

1076
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:47,480
really explode that and just
make it this huge franchise

1077
01:11:47,480 --> 01:11:48,840
because I was going to be all
about it.

1078
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:54,520
But I really I really liked.
The the Godzilla movies.

1079
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:58,160
Oh, I do too.
Oh yeah, Oh, anything with a

1080
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:02,760
creature in it, anything or even
like a like a weird sci-fi twist

1081
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:07,960
to it to what is the name of
that freaking movie?

1082
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:19,200
It's a it's a dark Superman.
It's it's a kid Brightburn never

1083
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:20,480
heard.
Of it, I'll look it up.

1084
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:24,040
It's yeah, it's.
Called Bright Burn and it's it's

1085
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:28,080
just a horror movie version of
the Superman story.

1086
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,760
That's awesome.
Kid comes to Earth.

1087
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:36,240
In in a in a pod lands in the
middle of bum fuck nowhere

1088
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:39,680
Kansas.
Parents find them, they bury the

1089
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:43,320
the ship underneath their their
barn, and the kid finds out he's

1090
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:45,760
got all these superpowers and
just goes on a killing spree.

1091
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:50,120
Yeah.
And it's brutal.

1092
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:52,040
It's freaking brutal.
Yeah.

1093
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:54,920
Like that.
I love that.

1094
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,360
I think that's phenomenal.
It's great stuff.

1095
01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:58,960
And they were supposed to make
this whole.

1096
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,680
They're kind of.
Funny, Like there is this Santa

1097
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:06,320
Claus movie where Santa Claus
comes and he's like this brutal

1098
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:08,560
murderer.
Silent Night, right?

1099
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:11,120
Do you know?
No, he's played by a famous

1100
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:16,960
wrestler, an American wrestler.
Anyway.

1101
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:20,040
Amazing, amazing stuff.
I'll tell you a weird film and

1102
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:23,200
then we'll carry on with the
with the podcast, a really weird

1103
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:26,280
creature feature.
Again, it was more satire and it

1104
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:31,000
was a very, very cheesy B movie
from the 70s about killer

1105
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,440
tomatoes.
Killer tomatoes.

1106
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:35,920
Yeah, it was.
Called Attack of the Killer

1107
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,560
Tomatoes.
Just watch the trailer for for a

1108
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:40,880
laugh.
It's it's funny.

1109
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:42,400
I'm writing it down right?
Now.

1110
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,480
I had it on DVD when I was 12.
I thought it was the best thing

1111
01:13:47,480 --> 01:13:49,760
so.
You're talking about Santa's

1112
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,200
sleigh, is that it?
Yeah.

1113
01:13:52,440 --> 01:13:55,720
The 2000. 5 Horror comedy with
Bill Goldberg.

1114
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,240
I never knew this was a thing.
That's amazing.

1115
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:01,920
That's got to be great.
It's great.

1116
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:05,000
It's really great, yeah.
Attack of the Killer.

1117
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,480
Tomatoes, huh?
Yeah, very similar.

1118
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,560
Totally check it out.
Very silly.

1119
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:16,280
I I just.
Bought a Mars Attacks T-shirt

1120
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:18,760
the other day.
Oh, that's one of my.

1121
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:21,560
Favorites see like that.
That's the kind of stuff I I

1122
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:23,440
like out, you know?
I love, I love.

1123
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:27,000
Mars Attacks I.
I get, I get so much crap

1124
01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:30,720
hosting this podcast, especially
from like Jeff, Jake and CJ, the

1125
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:34,120
other the other hosts, because
I've never watched Star Wars and

1126
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:35,280
they're like, that's right up
your alley.

1127
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:36,720
I'm like, dude, you're so
missing it.

1128
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:39,480
You're missing it.
That's not anywhere near my

1129
01:14:39,480 --> 01:14:41,280
alley.
Yeah, yeah.

1130
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:43,840
Yeah, Yeah.
No, I I know where you're.

1131
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:47,040
I get where you're coming from.
I think I Yeah.

1132
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:49,240
All right.
You know, Star Wars is not for

1133
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:50,320
use.
No.

1134
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:54,680
No, it's not all right.
So stepping back, all right, on

1135
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:59,160
our very first episode together,
you talked about the program

1136
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:03,720
being incomplete because your
mom moved you out of LA before

1137
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:06,040
age 8.
What do you think is genuinely

1138
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:09,120
different about you today
because of that?

1139
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:13,840
And then also just to tie this
in together, across both of our

1140
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:18,520
episodes, you've mentioned
carrying body memories, physical

1141
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:22,680
sensations you relive even
without the full recollection.

1142
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,040
What does that actually feel
like when it comes up?

1143
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:31,120
Only so for the the first
question, how was it?

1144
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:35,280
How did that make a difference
when I, when I moved away?

1145
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:41,320
Honestly, I think Ireland,
there's a lot of dark stuff that

1146
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,360
happens in Ireland as well, you
know, a lot of dark network

1147
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:47,080
stuff going on.
But I was in the countryside.

1148
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:51,520
We were surrounded by a lot of
really normal people, farmers

1149
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:58,640
and I just just found so much
beauty and so much freedom and I

1150
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:03,440
was able to express myself as a
child with my imagination, with

1151
01:16:03,440 --> 01:16:09,360
my brother and just be a kid.
And that, I think really saved

1152
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,560
me.
I think if I had stayed in Lai

1153
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:15,480
don't, I don't know what I would
have become or what I what would

1154
01:16:15,480 --> 01:16:17,480
have happened.
I don't think it would have been

1155
01:16:17,480 --> 01:16:19,240
good.
I don't think that I would have

1156
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:23,200
been completely brainwashed.
I think that I still would have

1157
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,200
kept fighting up.
Maybe I would have ended up

1158
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,560
dead.
I don't know, because I've just

1159
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,880
got that mind where I'm
constantly looking for the truth

1160
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:36,080
and I don't know how they would
have driven that out of me.

1161
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:37,880
I don't think it ever would have
worked.

1162
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:39,720
I think it would have ended
really badly.

1163
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:46,280
So leaving LA when I was that
age, I think was another spanner

1164
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:48,960
in their works.
And they could always plan on

1165
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,000
bringing me back at some point.
Sure.

1166
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:55,720
But I think that I really,
something out there, something

1167
01:16:55,720 --> 01:17:01,040
up there is looking after me.
My mom, in her own unique way

1168
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:05,400
was looking after me.
So that was really good for me

1169
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:08,760
to go back home to Ireland.
Now, that doesn't mean there

1170
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,400
isn't some strange people around
in Ireland as well.

1171
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:14,680
That probably influenced my life
in a negative way, but I was

1172
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:20,400
much safer there, Yeah.
I could imagine, yeah.

1173
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:26,960
Going jumping back into your
third episode with Gary Thyke,

1174
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:31,760
you introduced this whole
framework and this is kind of

1175
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,320
touching back on something that
you that you already described a

1176
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:35,880
little bit.
But I want to build up on this a

1177
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:39,480
little bit because this fits
very well into Infinite Rabbit

1178
01:17:39,480 --> 01:17:41,160
Hole.
And especially if Jeff was here,

1179
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:42,200
this would be a great one for
him.

1180
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:47,760
But modified cells reacting to
radio frequencies, 5G towers as

1181
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:51,440
a delivery mechanism, anchor
points on the body, Wi-Fi body

1182
01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:54,080
mapping technology called Hoo
Fi.

1183
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,760
Our audience hasn't heard any of
this.

1184
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,440
So can you walk us through the
full sequence from start to

1185
01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:01,560
finish?
Oh man, I really.

1186
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:06,680
Had to do a lot of research for
that episode because I have my

1187
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:10,360
own intuitive idea of what's
happening to me.

1188
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:16,120
And then I had I used AI ChatGPT
to try and help me figure out

1189
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:18,680
where all this technology is
coming from and how it's made.

1190
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,960
And so all of the things that I
got were based on real

1191
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:26,920
technology that controlled
things like ChatGPT is aware of,

1192
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:33,560
so very based in reality stuff,
but my own sort of theories.

1193
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:38,320
And it's funny, in the last,
just the last couple of weeks,

1194
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:46,480
my Instagram algorithm is full
of nanotechnology, Wi-Fi, radio

1195
01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:50,320
technology, behavioral
modification, COVID stuff,

1196
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:55,880
nanobots, all of the self
assembling robots that are

1197
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:59,000
inside the blood and inside the
body that are assembling from

1198
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,280
frequencies and stuff.
Like suddenly there's an

1199
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:05,600
explosion on my social media
where it's all being spoken

1200
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,640
about.
At least on certain algorithms

1201
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:11,360
it's being spoken about.
I can share some of that with

1202
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:13,080
you.
If you're interested, I can send

1203
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:16,360
it to you.
So actually I'm, I'm thinking

1204
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:21,120
that this whole next section of
of questions and everything that

1205
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:27,080
I have for you, if you want, we
can break off from this part

1206
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:31,000
because Jeff would make a really
good addition to to that.

1207
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:34,360
We can make that the base for
the 4th episode if you're

1208
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:38,880
willing to come back and kind of
dive into that stuff.

1209
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,520
You you OK with that?
Yeah, yeah, I'm.

1210
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:46,280
Good with that, I can try and
explain it from my own, my own

1211
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:50,040
point of view.
Really, really briefly, as I

1212
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:53,600
mentioned before, I believe that
there is some kind of modified

1213
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:59,720
cell, some kind of actually my
friend, he has he's been using

1214
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,200
the special devices kind of like
a rife machine.

1215
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:07,160
It's called a skeo where they
they attach these cables to your

1216
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:11,320
body and then it does this sort
of frequency resonance thing and

1217
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:14,720
it detects all of the things
going on beside your body in

1218
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,000
your auric field.
And it's it's medical and

1219
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:20,920
spiritual.
And he was like, when when he

1220
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:26,120
put me on this few months ago,
maybe five months ago, he was

1221
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:29,000
like, did you get the vaccine?
I said no, of course not.

1222
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:32,480
He said it says here that your
DNA has been altered.

1223
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:37,840
And I was like, and he said we
only get that in people who had

1224
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:41,480
the vaccine.
And I explained that I most

1225
01:20:41,480 --> 01:20:48,240
likely was affected by shedding
also in my astral attacks and

1226
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:53,840
sleep paralysis attacks.
These beings came and they stuck

1227
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:59,440
something up my nose etherically
and wiggled it around up there

1228
01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:02,720
and took it out and basically
told me that they were taking my

1229
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:05,760
DNA.
Maybe in the etheric world,

1230
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:10,000
these sort of aliens or whatever
they are can take your DNA.

1231
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:16,400
Maybe our DNA is tied also to
the etheric realm, let's say the

1232
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,240
spiritual realm, not just the
physical realm.

1233
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:22,680
Because in cult parlance,
etheric body is still physical

1234
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:24,840
matter.
It's totally tied up with the

1235
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:26,720
physical body.
So I don't.

1236
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:34,560
So my DNA is most likely changed
and my cells are most likely

1237
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:39,040
altered, which is why when
they're beaming these various

1238
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:43,600
frequencies at me, which I think
has to do with cell phone

1239
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:50,360
radiation, 5G and satellites.
When they're beaming these

1240
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:53,280
frequencies at.
And again, I think it has a lot

1241
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:56,400
to do with this Hoo fi thing
where the the Wi-Fi signals are

1242
01:21:56,400 --> 01:22:00,920
bouncing off the walls and they
can read your, your body and

1243
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,880
determine your position.
I think it can go beyond that

1244
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:10,440
and these Wi-Fi signals can
pinpoint on a specific point on

1245
01:22:10,440 --> 01:22:14,520
the body and create, as I
mentioned in the in that

1246
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:19,760
episode, the anchor points.
And when it's being beamed in in

1247
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:24,640
a very precise way at this point
on your body, it's activating

1248
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:29,000
those genetically modified cells
and creating a sort of scar

1249
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,760
tissue.
Now, this is also used in some

1250
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:38,920
medical procedures where they
purposely create scar tissue to

1251
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:47,680
put special kinds of information
in that scar tissue like I don't

1252
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:54,560
know what you call it, those
biometric medical devices.

1253
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:59,280
Anyway, organic medical devices
within the body.

1254
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:04,440
I believe that the that these,
these pinpointed frequencies are

1255
01:23:04,440 --> 01:23:08,480
activating the cells at the same
time as creating small scar

1256
01:23:08,480 --> 01:23:11,120
tissues.
Why when I, when I get these

1257
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:17,200
beams on my body, I get bumps.
I get bumps on specific points

1258
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:22,960
in my body and I find that when
I get these bumps, I can feel

1259
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:30,440
these frequency energy waves
going from my skull, down my

1260
01:23:30,440 --> 01:23:33,640
spine, through my bones,
especially through my jaw.

1261
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:36,480
It actually sometimes I have a
hard time to speak because I can

1262
01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:40,080
really, it really vibrates
through my jaw.

1263
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:45,880
And when I put my my finger on
top of these, these bumps on my

1264
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:50,960
body and I move my finger over
it, I can hear the frequency in

1265
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:57,560
my skull moving around.
And if I if I sort of press down

1266
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:03,720
on it and kind of try to break
it up, I can feel and hear the

1267
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:06,360
frequency starting to to break
up.

1268
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:09,440
Which is why I believe that
these anchor points that are

1269
01:24:09,440 --> 01:24:15,400
being created are, are necessary
for their technology to stay in

1270
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,720
contact.
I don't know if any of this is

1271
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:19,240
making sense.
I hope it's making sense.

1272
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:20,680
No.
Yeah, absolutely.

1273
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:26,120
Yeah, so.
Yeah, It's not been fun.

1274
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:31,360
Another interesting thing, I'll
say that when this kind of began

1275
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:39,440
and they were perfecting this
technology about 3, three years

1276
01:24:39,440 --> 01:24:43,120
ago, maybe two years ago, 2 1/2
years ago, it must have been

1277
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:44,800
three years.
It doesn't matter how long ago

1278
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:46,920
it was.
I went into town, which I didn't

1279
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:50,440
go into town very often at the
time because I was not OK.

1280
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:54,360
I was really not OK.
Someone came.

1281
01:24:54,360 --> 01:25:00,000
Into the pub that I that I went
in, they came into the pub and

1282
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,800
they stopped in front of me and
they just looked at me and they

1283
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:07,200
were smiling.
And for my Claire cognizance,

1284
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:12,640
I'm very aware that this person
was sent there to send me some

1285
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:16,720
kind of message.
They were wearing AT shirt a

1286
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:23,520
white T-shirt with a massive
satellite on it and it said

1287
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:27,840
something along the lines of
tracking can't remember exactly

1288
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,320
what it said, but it basically
said something along the lines

1289
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:34,960
of this satellite is tracking
your position basically.

1290
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:40,120
And that's when I started having
these sensations and beams

1291
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:45,760
coming in and out of my head.
And they, they just, they like

1292
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:49,000
to do stuff like that to send
someone just to let you know,

1293
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:55,040
hey, where we, we've done this
thing and we want to let you

1294
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:57,920
know about it.
You know, really creepy

1295
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:00,440
psychological warfare going on
there because they didn't have

1296
01:26:00,440 --> 01:26:02,880
to do that.
You know.

1297
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:04,720
And they're.
Ruthless, huh?

1298
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:07,240
Jeez.
Oh, they're ruthless.

1299
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:12,280
Yeah, they're real bastards.
This is a shit I've been.

1300
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:15,400
Dealing with for the last 12
years, but it's certainly I feel

1301
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:16,640
for you.
I do.

1302
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:19,920
I I mean, I have no idea what it
feels like to go through it, but

1303
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:21,880
it's an.
Adventure.

1304
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:23,120
It's wild.
This is the.

1305
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:26,560
Adventure of my.
Life I I guess I chose, I

1306
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:32,080
believe my soul chose this life
for a higher purpose well.

1307
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:36,360
Let's, let's get your story out.
Let's, let's do it.

1308
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:43,000
All right, I've got, I've got
two final questions and then

1309
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:46,360
we'll, we'll wrap it up and
we'll, we'll call it a night

1310
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:51,040
because it's, what, almost 3:00
and in the in the morning for

1311
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:53,000
you now.
Oh yeah, yeah.

1312
01:26:55,320 --> 01:27:01,960
So you've been doing this
publicly now across 3 episodes

1313
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:07,040
with us, 3 episodes with Gareth
and a couple other podcasts or

1314
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:12,080
other outlets.
Does speaking about it feel like

1315
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:15,920
it's protecting you or does it
make you feel more exposed in

1316
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:17,400
the?
Past I never wanted to speak

1317
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:18,960
about it because I thought that
it would.

1318
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:22,760
I just thought that it was it
would be a disaster.

1319
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:27,680
But I actually, I feel really
just fine.

1320
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:32,800
Like it feels really fine.
It feels like what I'm doing is

1321
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:35,600
something really natural.
It's feels like it's something

1322
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:38,320
that I should be doing good.
Good.

1323
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:41,920
Yeah.
And then the the last question I

1324
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:45,080
have for you, because I cut out
a bunch of this because I, I

1325
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:48,160
really do think that it would
make a really good interview to

1326
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:53,080
have Jeff here for.
The last thing I have for you is

1327
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:56,160
since you've started talking
about it, has anything really

1328
01:27:56,160 --> 01:28:00,600
happened?
I know that you were very kind

1329
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:04,520
of standoffish about coming out
fully in our first episodes and

1330
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:08,720
the second episode you opened up
a little bit more and I see that

1331
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:11,600
parallel and Garrett's podcast
as well.

1332
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:15,600
And this one, I feel like we
opened up way more.

1333
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:19,560
Have you had any issues?
Has anybody?

1334
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,080
There's been a couple of.
Yeah, there's been a couple of

1335
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:27,200
things.
Very subtle, psychological,

1336
01:28:27,480 --> 01:28:31,760
gross things that have happened
around that.

1337
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:35,160
I'm not going to, I'm not going
to say graphically or explicitly

1338
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:39,480
because I don't want to give
that power, but just a couple of

1339
01:28:39,480 --> 01:28:43,840
things that touch on my my
biggest, the things that

1340
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:49,200
bothered me the most, but in a
very smart, subtle, subconscious

1341
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:52,320
way.
And the people here in the

1342
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:56,000
country I'm living in now,
they're very intelligent and

1343
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:58,280
they're very good at what they
do, and they keep things in a

1344
01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:01,000
very.
Very smart and.

1345
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:05,160
Subtle way.
It's, it's brutal, but it's,

1346
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:12,240
it's like very subtle, you know,
but it's OK.

1347
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:18,200
I'm, I'm OK, you know, good.
Good.

1348
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:22,120
Well, is there anything else
that you that you wanted to talk

1349
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:24,040
about tonight?
No, I don't.

1350
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:26,640
I don't think so.
I think we touched on a lot of

1351
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:30,200
things.
I think I was able to expand on

1352
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:33,960
a lot of things in in a very
clear way that may have been

1353
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:37,400
more difficult for me in in
previous episodes.

1354
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:45,920
And I feel like now we have more
more material to go off in the

1355
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:50,720
next, next episode that we do
together with, with Jeff, which

1356
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:54,120
will be really, I like the
dynamic between the two of you.

1357
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:57,480
I think that's about how we give
each.

1358
01:29:57,480 --> 01:30:02,400
Other crap or, or that we fill
fill in each other's gaps.

1359
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:07,640
Yeah, yeah, all of it.
All of it.

1360
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:11,280
No, he's a sweetheart.
He's he's he's a great guy.

1361
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:14,160
I can't wait to get him back.
He's yeah, he's a good between

1362
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:15,720
the both.
Both of you, you both have a

1363
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:18,080
different perspective and a
different point of view and you

1364
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:21,640
add something else that gets my
mind working in in two different

1365
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:24,520
directions and I need that I
need.

1366
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:29,320
The other person.
To to give me stuff to, to get

1367
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:33,400
my brain going and thinking.
And so having two people instead

1368
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:35,280
of 1 gets my brain going even
more.

1369
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:40,160
So I like that, absolutely.
Well, Coco, it's, it's, it's

1370
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:41,880
always a pleasure.
It really is.

1371
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:46,720
And you know, we'll get you back
on for part 4 and we'll, we'll

1372
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:48,640
break it right back open.
We'll dive into the

1373
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:52,240
technologies.
And I know Jeff probably is

1374
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:54,840
going to be a little upset that
we dot, we dove in the numbers a

1375
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:57,800
little bit with a 369.
Maybe we'll bring that back up

1376
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:02,440
because I know he, he really,
really likes the, the numbers

1377
01:31:02,440 --> 01:31:04,800
thing.
OK, because I don't know a lot.

1378
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:09,160
About that he will, yeah.
I'd like to understand a bit

1379
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:11,040
more about that.
He definitely will.

1380
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:16,080
But until then, do you want to
give a plug to to your podcast?

1381
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:20,120
If anyone's interested in
learning about the real true

1382
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:24,120
purpose of mysticism and
occultism which has to do with

1383
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:30,120
self mastery and fulfilling your
sole mission and purpose here on

1384
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:33,800
earth to do good for all
mankind, that's what occultism

1385
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:36,440
is really about.
Not all this gross stuff that

1386
01:31:36,440 --> 01:31:40,720
these freaky people are doing.
Come and have a listen to my

1387
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:44,760
Tracing Circle channel on
YouTube.

1388
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:50,440
I keep it all very positive and
moving and I hope that I can

1389
01:31:50,440 --> 01:31:55,480
inspire people in a very
beautiful and moving way.

1390
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:58,400
So check it out.
Sweet, I'm going to go check.

1391
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,560
It out too, but thanks all.
Right.

1392
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:04,800
Well, until next time travelers.
Coco, if you can just hang back

1393
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:10,640
just a minute and we'll do the
the typical thing after after

1394
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:13,120
recording.
But until next time travelers,

1395
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:15,160
we'll see you right here in the
next 4 from the path in the

1396
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:17,280
infant rabble.
And thank you very much, Coco.

1397
01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:19,200
Thank you.
Bye bye.