Simulation Theory: A Conversation with Grayson

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Over the years, movies video
games, books and TV shows have

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portrayed, various levels of
simulations of life, from the

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futuristic Holodeck of Star Trek
to the visually and physically

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immersive virtual reality, World
known as The Oasis from the

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2018, major Motion Picture.
Ready Player One The fantasy of

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spending time in a virtual world
has captured the imagination of

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many.
But today, we are not discussing

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simply visiting a simulated
world like, in those pieces of

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entertainment.
But visiting the possibility

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that we unknowingly live in a
world, that is fabricated for

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our existence in 1999.
The movie.

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The Matrix introduced the masses
to the idea that we are all

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Pawns in an artificial World.
Tethered to our fake Reality by

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Located are actual bodies in the
real world.

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This path of the unknown is
filled with questions.

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That will not only view
uncomfortable but we'll have you

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questioning your literal place
in the universe.

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Do we live in the quote-unquote
real world?

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What would be the purpose of our
world?

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What would be our purpose is
this world less like that of the

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Matrix and more like that of the
Sims?

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Are we living our own artificial
lives?

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Or we simply an avatar of
somebody else's actions and

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desires sit back, hang tight and
get ready to question

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everything.
Welcome back to find a rabbit.

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Welcome back to infinite Rabbit
Hole.

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Everybody, I'm Jeremy.
I'm your host today and I have a

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very special episode for you
today.

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Today, we're having one of our
absolute biggest and longest

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running fans.
Finally come on to the show.

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I'll take most responsibility
for the long, wait, but I can't

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take all of it.
I also have to pass it on to one

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of my co-hosts who is also
joining us today Jake.

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Oh, it's Jake.
Jake.

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Dehaven.
I've been good, I've been real

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good.
I am finished the motorcycle.

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Finish the project.
I've been riding it around, been

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really hectic at my house.
A lot of busy stuff going on,

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but I'm excited for this
episode.

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It's been a long time coming.
We've been blowing off this fan

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for a very long time, and it's
not good.

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So I'm glad we're finally
getting to it.

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Yeah, well, me too, man, I've
been looking forward to this,

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you know, this was a subject
that was Originally brought up

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to our attention by him for our
faith.

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First, a fan of preciate
episode.

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Yeah.
Like in the 17 months ago, a

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long time ago and we purposely
didn't do it then because that

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was an episode that was multiple
subjects and we're like there's

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no way that this thing can just
fit into a sliver of an episode.

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So we're like we got to we got
to save this so weird.

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Saving it for today for the most
part.

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But we'll get into that here in
a second.

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Let me get the rest of the
student body in here real quick.

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What you do some new kid first
Ken's are Welcome, how are you

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today?
How about you, you know, just

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great and went to my son's
little birthday party today.

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That was a blast.
I'll tell you, I love love.

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Hanging out with a bunch of
kids.

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It's it's fun.
But yeah.

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Well good and then there's
Jeffrey the crazy conspiracy.

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Theorist Guy.
Crazy, conspiracy theory guy.

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Jeff, how you doing, man?
What's up?

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But I'm doing fantastic.
Fantastic.

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How are you bud doing, good.
How's your beer?

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It's thick and voluptuous as
always.

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Thank you for asking us.
Yes, yes, yes, good.

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Very, very good.
Do you either you guys have any

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updates for all the listeners?
I won the lottery but you

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didn't, I did not.
You are correct.

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You're still here.
Well, we know that you would

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leave us in a heartbeat if you
did.

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Absolutely not.
I would actually build a really

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dank underground bunker with a
studio in it and just move

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everybody out there and we would
do this like even better really

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but you wouldn't that's not
yeah.

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Why wouldn't I would say?
And it would also be my show it

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be Are you out like I'll offer
you $10 be like deal done.

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All right.
Well Jake I'm going to go ahead

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and pass this off to you man.
This is this this guest is near

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and dear to your heart.
He's here in my heart to you

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don't get me wrong but you have
special interest here.

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So go ahead and introduce our
guests for the night.

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Okay.
So the easiest way to introduce

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this, our guests is to talk
about how important he is to the

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show.
So we talked about this several

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times and I can't stress it
enough that he was our buffer

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for all the crap.
We were producing when we first

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started this thing up.
So he's my step-brother Grayson.

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And when we were growing up, we
kind of had, we tried out the

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YouTube thing, right?
We were making movies and stuff

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and we're using our dads Mac, I
think, Can using iMovie and we

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were putting up these little
videos on YouTube and stuff, and

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I don't think we, I think we
only made like five of them or

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whatever, but we really enjoyed
it, it was fun, right?

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We had a bunch of projects that
we just never ended up

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releasing.
And and so we kind of had a

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background in this whole how to
make audio sound.

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Good thing adding music to stuff
thing, you know, all that sort

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of stuff.
So, when Jeremy and I were both

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about to start actually putting
on episodes, We I don't know

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maybe record like 10 of them of
various degrees of suck that we

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gave to Grayson first and he
would give us these pointers on

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like what was good about it?
What was bad about it you know

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and really just helping us to
get to just a starting point

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because at first they were just
absolutely terrible.

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So he was he literally is the
oldest fan that we have.

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I think Grayson has To every
single episode that we have and

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we'll have to tell you if that's
if that's wrong but I think that

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he's the only person that
continuously will listen to an

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episode and then give us
pointers and say hey I like this

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I didn't like that and we use
his input as a huge factor in

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building up the show.
So every time we make a change

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or nearly every time that we
make a change to the podcast

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where we go in a different
direction, it's more than

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likely.
Because of Grayson's input.

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He's like the only person that
we care about.

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It comes to like, ratings
reviews and stuff, but I'm so

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happy to have them on.
Like Jeremy was saying we had

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our first fan, appreciation
episode, and he broached or made

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a comment on.
We should talk about simulation

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Theory and at the time we didn't
know nothing about simulation

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Theory and we really weren't in
a good spot to Branch out into

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that topic in any sort of
meaningful way or any sort of

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way that would you know
Captivate the listeners

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attention and not be a giant
waste of time.

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So we put it a pin in it and
we're like we'll get back to it

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later and unfortunately later
meant now which is a crazy long

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time later.
But we're happy to have them on.

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We're happy to give them the
spot and Grayson thank you so

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much for being here.
Why don't you?

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Do your debut in Choose Yourself
to the fans.

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Well hey everybody it's nice to
finally be on.

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Yeah you make it sound like I'm
some grand architect or

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something but I'm just a guy
that you know just wanted to

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support my brother and his his
Endeavors with Jeremy.

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Who I've gotten to know a little
bit.

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It's been fun.
It's been really cool to hear

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you guys grow and be whatever
small part of that, that I am.

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So No, it's good to find the
Beyond guys.

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I think it was our second
episode great.

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It was either our second or
third episode I think it was the

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one that we actually interviewed
my buddy, Mike about his Ruger

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experience where I'm sitting
there.

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I'm waiting for Jake to to text
or call in the about Grayson's,

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feelings about the episode and
I'm like.

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So what, what did he think?
What do you think in Jake was

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like, oh, he thinks it fucking
sucked.

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Like the the, the audio was just
absolutely trash and I was like

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well, we know that, but how was
the rest of it?

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He's like I don't know, he
couldn't listen to the recipe

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said it's horrible.
I was But the very first

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episode, even that one that we
joked about last week, let us

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introduce ourselves.
The one that we had to remake

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last week, you know, we joke, a
lot about how horrible it wasn't

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everything.
But it was mostly horrible

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because of how awkward we were
and, you know, we're not, we're

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not necessarily awkward anymore.
We just kind of get on the mic

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and chat, you know, just like
we're having a conversation now

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and He actually gave us really
good feedback about it.

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He said that it was good.
And if it wasn't for Grayson's

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initial comments, good comments,
I don't know.

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It would have been tough to
continue because it was a lot of

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work and a lot of I had to
gather the balls to put out more

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episodes because it's a lot of
work, you know, to get to get

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started and you know just wanted
to say on air.

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Grayson, thank you for forgiving
me the motivation and the

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critiques and stuff and
everything worked out really

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good because I like where we're
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So thank you.
Well absolutely of course.

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Yeah.
And I just want to clear the air

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that all of my feedback going
through a Jacob filter is

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probably coming to you.
As oh yeah the everything sucked

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and I was just but I promise it
was a little more a little more

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well-thought-out levels here
could use some work or, you

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know, blah, blah, blah.
So, I believe it, I do, I'm

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happy to hear that got to your
ears as this is awful.

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Cliff Notes version, right?
So I like all the stuff That

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you're saying.
I'm just like yeah I hated it.

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Yeah, I know it.
I second Jeremy's.

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You know thank you because for
us I mean I think that anybody

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that's starting out on a project
they need to know that what

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they're doing is worthwhile that
someone's enjoying it, right

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that it's not just a giant waste
of time and considering it took

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so long for us to start getting
people to leave ratings and

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reviews for the longest time.
It was only your input.

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That, that we Able to take and
say, okay, so this is where we

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need to change.
This is what we need to do

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better at, or this is what we,
we've nailed, you know, whatever

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it was, and you're very
consistent with us.

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So we hold you at such a high
regard because you literally

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were that one fan that was
helping us to build to where we

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are now.
Because before we had anyone

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else ever hitting us up and
saying like, hey, you know, I

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really didn't like that or like
this or, you know, I like this

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content or whatever you were
that.

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That that person for us.
And so I also agreed with Jeremy

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that when he says that, you
know, we are here today because

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of your input, it's absolutely
legit.

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Yeah, I definitely it's
interesting that you mentioned

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that when you were kind of
introducing me, you know, it

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kind of took me back like
listening to you do this project

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was taking me back to Childhood,
right?

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Me and you working on Dad's Mac
and trying to figure out how

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audio levels work.
And it's just like, whoa, you

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know, blowing out our own
eardrums because we don't know

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what we're doing.
So it was kind of cool to to

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ditch that again, right?
I'm just like oh Wow, you know,

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Jacobs doing this thing that,
you know, maybe if I give some

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feedback it'll change something.
So it was it was interesting to

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hear the next episode and
realize like oh wow, they're

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taking my, my feedback with.
I don't know, it's Landing

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somewhere, you know, it wasn't
like it was going into a black

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hole and it's just like I, you
know, whatever.

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You know, I'm gonna do my own
thing so I think it's it's also

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a credit to both of you guys.
You know, you and you and

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Jeremy.
That the listened, right?

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And it's just my only
perspective, you know, I didn't,

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I didn't want like up to be a
part of it, you know.

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I guess I'm waiting for my
invitation to be a host.

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Now, if your track record holds
true, by the way for Jeff to bow

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out, once you win the lottery,
there's rumors that there were

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done so yeah I got you bud but I
think it I think it's it takes a

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big person to hear some some
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No feedback of okay, you know,
this wasn't so great or you know

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what was going on here and and
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So, credit credit to you guys.
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about it, but I was throwing
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Yeah, yeah, you're my freaks
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I do, I freaked out and I was
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good enough for anything.
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Yeah, I was, I'm gonna go you a,
I'm done leaving knock it ever.

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Going to podcast again?
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the cliff.
Well, that's what's so good

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about me being a buffer is
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it sucked.
And then Jeremy goes on this,

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huge long, rant, and I text back
race and I said Jeremy says,

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okay, so that's that my role in
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I've served my purpose.
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taken well.
I can't really stress enough.

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How much Grayson molded the
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lot of the changes that came
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points that were pointed out by
grazin and that's as simple as

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and we're kind of, you know,
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own selves now.
But if it wasn't for grace and

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we would never have learned how
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So once again Grayson thank you
very much but to move on we're

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let's let's introduce the topic.
I know Jake kind of touched on

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it a little bit when he was
introducing.

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Grayson the topic is simulation
Theory tonight.

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Obviously you guys see that when
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Episode but I just want to make
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that we will be revisiting.
Today we are having a

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conversation with a huge fan of
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to talk about.
So yes, there was some research

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done, I will put a little bit of
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be Revisited.
We have some really cool ideas

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to do with this top.
Epic and make a really big thing

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out of it and I'm hoping to have
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revisit it.
But the research for the actual

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like information dump on
simulation Theory and everything

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behind it.
Just isn't, right?

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I've literally been researching
this topic, ever since I put

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down the book on injured cold
over almost two months ago and

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it's so dense, right?
As you're not an astro position.

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I'm not a master of physician.
I'm not a right?

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Yes, I'm not astrophysical.
Just stick with that.

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I'm not a Quantum physicist.
That's what it was quantum

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positions luck.
Yeah, Quantum physicists.

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So, you know, when I'm reading
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these articles and I'm reading
these peer-reviewed reports, and

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articles and stuff.
There's a lot of Googling that I

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have to do to understand it.
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it down to you guys, I need to
know all of the terminology.

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I need to know what they're
doing in these studies and

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everything and this is something
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months, and it's just not
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So I'm not smart enough to bring
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table quite yet, but Basically,
Cliff Notes Jeremy's a slacker.

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Exactly.
Right guys.

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Okay.
There's a reason why I'm not a

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Quantum physicist but I'm
working on it and I will blow

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your fucking minds when we
finally get to it.

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But for today we're going to
have a really fun conversation

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with Grayson.
I got some pretty fun questions

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that I would love to hear his
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are and Jake's opinions as well.
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good time.
Just chatting away about some

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simulation Theory.
So before we get into Into

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everyone's thoughts and opinions
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What is simulation Theory?
The simulation Theory are what

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is more properly known as the
simulation hypothesis.

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Thanks to Nick Bostrom the
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philosopher of the theory is a
proposal that the reality of our

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existence is one that is
simulation, that is a

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simulation, rather than a real
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So, major theories behind this
hypothesis is that we are living

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in a simulation of the past by
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We Are Pawns in a video game.
Or we are simply just a

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simulation where all of our
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equal to roughly a few
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And of course, the theory that
we are all living in a

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simulation within a simulation,
possibly within another

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simulation.
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life outside of video games,
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at the bottom of the large piles
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Nope.
So let's let's start off with

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that.
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Before we get into like our real
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and everything, I just want to
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How do you guys feel about the
possibility of us being in a

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simulation?
How do you feel?

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Are you comfortable with it, as
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Does it Kirk you?
Or like this is something that

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that you Even think about when
we're not doing this podcast.

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I'll go first.
Yeah, doesn't bother me to think

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about.
Honestly, I know a lot of people

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probably get some form of
anxiety thinking about things

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like this, but I find a certain
level of comfort in it, which is

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kind of weird, I guess.
But yeah, I think about it all

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the time honestly.
And if it's the case, which I

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believe it is then cool sweet.
Who's next?

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All I wants Okay, yeah, got it
cans are get it.

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I what makes me uncomfortable
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I don't like the idea that I'm
not living the life that I'm

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living.
I don't like the idea that

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somebody else is controlling it,
but I think it's very much a

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possibility.
Okay, what about, Grayson

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Grayson, I want to hear your
ideas about this.

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Well, I was, this was not a
topic that I gave much thought

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about until he.
Yeah, until I actually heard

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Nick Bostrom on the Rogan
podcast kind of articulating the

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simulation argument which is a
little different than the

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simulation Theory, right?
And it was very much like, okay,

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you know, I'm sure we'll get
into that or maybe that's topic

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for the next episode, but We can
touch on it.

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Yeah, it just got my gears
turning up just like, okay.

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Well this is a pretty pretty
good argument to the fact that

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we are living in.
It's not bulletproof but it's a

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good argument that we are living
in a simulation right now as I

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go man so I just started
thinking well what does that

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mean?
Does that does that really

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change anything?
If we are if we assume that we

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are is that does that make what
we're experiencing any less real

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You know, and I think I lean
more towards, you know, it

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doesn't really.
Matter.

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I don't know that says more
about me than it does about

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simulation Theory but if
everything that we're

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experiencing is real to us and
those around us and it doesn't

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take anything away from the fact
that oh okay you know this mic

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that I'm talking to is not quote
unquote real, you know depending

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on what Observer you're talking
to you know I don't know if that

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matters at all.
That's kind of where I lean I

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guess I'm more agnostic but I I
think it's really interesting.

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Cool.
Jacob, you know what?

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I'm going to say demons?
I think that doesn't affect me

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whatsoever.
I don't think about it when I'm

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when I'm not podcasts, you know,
not focusing on anything podcast

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related.
I think it's a fun talking point

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but to put any Sort of
legitimate amount of time into

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it to study.
It is just a tremendous waste of

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time.
Hey, because I agree with what

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Grayson was saying.
It doesn't wouldn't change

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anything anyway.
Okay cool.

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So none of this is real.
What's the difference, right?

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Okay.
And it just seems like a really

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just another Really weird wacky
theory that people spend a their

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entire lives working on and it's
just like, wow, what a waste I

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mean, will I don't necessarily
agree.

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I I think that there is a very
good chance that we are in a

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simulation and that's even
coming from before doing some

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research into I Feel a little
bit more comfortable in my

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thought process about it or in
my final thoughts about it.

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Not necessarily final yet
because I'm not done, no

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research but just knowing that
there is some sort of evidence

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out there that that backs my
initial feelings about the whole

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subject makes me feel a little
bit better.

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I don't think it changes
anything I'd have to agree with

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you there.
Even if I found out that I am in

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a simulation, the thing is that
I still have children.

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I still have my wife my animals.
This podcast, things that I care

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about and whether their
simulations or not, I still love

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him.
And I'm going to continue to

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love them, you know.
I can see how some people would

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take the idea old.
Okay, let's move into the next

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next little piece I have here
too so there is Stories and I

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don't have one in particular.
Again, I haven't really started

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writing the notes for this yet
more in a research phase.

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But when we, when we come to the
actual simulation Theory

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episode, I'll have the actual
story with me.

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There's one in particular, I'm
thinking about, and I can't

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think of the names.
I can't think of the timeframe

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or anything like that, but there
was one person who got so

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obsessed with the simulation
theory in the movie The Matrix

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where he picked up his phone.
Phone.

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This telephone heard the dial
tone said something into the

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phone from the movie, turn
around and killed his parents.

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Because he believed that they
were NPC's in a simulation.

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Has anyone have either any of
you guys heard of this before?

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No, but if we are in a
simulation, then what does it

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matter?
Yeah, I heard that story.

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I don't remember the guys name
either but I did.

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I do remember reading about
that.

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Yeah, it does sound familiar.
So again, you know, those are

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listening.
Please forgive me for not having

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that information right now.
I do feel bad but this is again

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just a conversation piece,
right?

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And that's what I kind of want
to say is that, you know, if

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anybody out there is feeling
like they're in a simulation, I

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don't agree with Jake well about
what does it even matter.

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I I do think it matters, you
know.

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It doesn't matter what the
people or you know whatever you

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love.
You still love them and you

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don't want to cause harm to them
right?

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No matter what I do being in the
simulation or not, doesn't

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affect T', the way that I feel
about my life and the people

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that are in it.
Well, I mean, but that's, that's

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basically what I'm saying is
that, like, if we are in a

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simulation then That's just
another way of really a signing

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or saying that nothing has value
well, right?

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Because that's the alternative
is that.

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If, if people, if we all believe
that we are in a simulation,

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then technically, we could do
whatever we wanted and there

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would be no real, you know,
consequences to our actions.

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Well, I would rather stimulate
my life in my house than in a

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jail cell, you know, I think
that that perspective, Honestly

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is very black pill perspective
on the simulation Theory.

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Not to say that it's right or
wrong.

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I just think it's a very black
pill perspective.

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Because from my perspective,
right like again I'm like I say

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I'm a firm believer that we live
in a simulation but I definitely

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lean into that idea quite a bit
and it it's actually very

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empowering to me in a lot of
ways where I feel, I don't want

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to use the word manifestation
because that's not what it is.

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But it's It's something like
when you it from my perspective,

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when I understand that I'm in a
simulation and that I have some

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level of control over the
synchronicities that happen in

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life, that Things fall into
place, much more easily for me,

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I attend to do things as you
would do like a good things

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because of your faith.
I try to do good things because

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I do think this is a simulation
in a form of a test or a school.

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Hmm.
So that's another good topics

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synchronicities, right?
Again I don't have the

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definition for synchronicities.
It real quick.

448
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,200
Are you talking about Joshua
cook?

449
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,400
Joshua cook the, the guy who
killed his parents.

450
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,000
He was 19 years old.
Yes, okay.

451
00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:33,800
Synchronicities, right?
What's a good definition for

452
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:38,500
synchronicities?
I got you, you ready?

453
00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:42,400
Yep, synchronicity is this.
I just Googled it while you're

454
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,000
looking, this is the Wikipedia
definition which you know, take

455
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,800
this with a grain of salt.
But synchronicity is a concept

456
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,900
first introduced by analytical
psychologist Carl Jung to

457
00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:55,500
describe circumstances that
appear meaningfully related yet,

458
00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:58,800
lack it casual connection,
right?

459
00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:01,100
Yeah.
So like you were saying a

460
00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:04,400
synchronicity, right?
We're sitting here, talking

461
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:09,800
about simulation Theory, right?
And we go sit on our couch.

462
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,000
In the very first thing that's
going to pop up as an

463
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,500
advertisement is a trailer for
the new Matrix movie.

464
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,000
Right now, that's a very vague
sense of synchronicity.

465
00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:23,600
It could be anything.
There's been a lot of

466
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:28,300
synchronicities going on lately,
like The Simpsons is literally

467
00:30:28,300 --> 00:30:34,000
full of synchronicities.
We see something happen on the

468
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,000
screen with The Simpsons and
then we see it happen in real

469
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,400
life.
A lot of people will say that's

470
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,900
a synchronicity and it's not
necessarily them telling the

471
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:46,200
future, it is US seeing
something that doesn't

472
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,600
necessarily have any
relationship whatsoever but

473
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,300
we're seeing it as a
relationship.

474
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:54,700
And then of course, there's the
spiritual side of

475
00:30:54,700 --> 00:30:57,200
synchronicities, you know, I was
talking to.

476
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:02,200
So, and so this today and about
another person that I haven't

477
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:07,400
talked to in 10 years,
literally, today they messaged

478
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,900
me on Facebook.
The person I was just talking

479
00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:11,400
about that.
I haven't, I haven't talked to

480
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,600
in 10 years, that's a
synchronicity.

481
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:17,500
And I know a lot of us have that
happen, right?

482
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:21,600
Where you're talking or you're
thinking about something and

483
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,500
then Out of left field,
something along the lines of

484
00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:31,100
your conversation or you thought
happens and you know, I've heard

485
00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:34,400
all kinds of things like they're
starting to read your brainwaves

486
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:40,800
and they're creating
advertisements or pushing a

487
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,600
scenario that matches your
brainwave because they're

488
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:51,300
reading your minds dude.
I think that it's more of a good

489
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:55,300
piece of evidence.
For us, living in a simulation.

490
00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:58,800
Because what happens in a video
game.

491
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,600
Synchronous synchronicities
happen all the time in a video

492
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,000
game and we'll get more into the
video game concept of it.

493
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,100
Jeff, I heard you could.
I saw you come off.

494
00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:10,600
Mic are coming to Mike.
You want to talk?

495
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,700
Yeah, I was just going to say
that well two things one the

496
00:32:15,700 --> 00:32:17,300
whole reading your brain waves
thing.

497
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,200
That is partially true so can
use.

498
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,600
I'm just saying what you tin
foil hat back on.

499
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,600
Dude it's partially true.
But the like synchronicity like

500
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,900
the advertising thing I don't
know if that's necessarily Sara

501
00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:32,700
Lee a synchronicity or if that's
just more algorithms knowing

502
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,200
what it is that you want.
But whatever failed.

503
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,700
No, I know you're good.
But like, yeah, you know, you're

504
00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:41,200
talking about somebody and then
they call you right?

505
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,600
Or I was trying to move, and I
was talking to my girlfriend on

506
00:32:45,608 --> 00:32:48,000
the phone one night.
And just for whatever reason,

507
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,100
for no good reason.
I pulled up the app to look at

508
00:32:51,100 --> 00:32:54,300
houses and an hour prior to me
pulling up the app the house

509
00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:56,600
that I live in.
Now got posted and it's got all

510
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,300
the things that we wanted and
it's not like I went and

511
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,800
Actively looked for this house
although I was looking for

512
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:08,800
houses but it just popped in you
know, when it was needed, right?

513
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,000
That's a really good example of
the synchronicity.

514
00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:13,900
That's a spiritual
synchronicity, right?

515
00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:18,800
They have there's different
flavors of synchronicities out

516
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:23,000
there.
You know, will hear Phil from

517
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,000
The Unexplained ink podcast.
Talk about synchronicities and

518
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,700
he's he talks about a lot of
spiritual ones.

519
00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:33,600
There's Technical technological
ones, there's physical ones.

520
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,700
There's all kinds of different
synchronicities out there but

521
00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:41,300
the fact that synchronicities
are they exist, right?

522
00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:45,200
There's there's really no
argument against that.

523
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,900
I personally believe that
synchronicities do exist.

524
00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:55,700
I feel like that's really good
fodder for the argument.

525
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,700
Yeah.
And this is the kind of my point

526
00:33:58,900 --> 00:34:01,900
that I was making to Jake a
minute ago is.

527
00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:06,200
So, I don't know what the key is
or what required work is

528
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,700
required.
In order to make more

529
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:10,600
synchronicities happen in life.
I've heard a lot of things Law

530
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:15,000
of Attraction, you know, being
on high vibrational levels or

531
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,199
whatever the case is.
But thinking about this kind of

532
00:34:19,207 --> 00:34:22,199
thing, makes me personally try
Do the right thing.

533
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:25,699
Most like I do, I try not to
bullshit people, you know, I

534
00:34:25,699 --> 00:34:30,400
just try to do good things as
much as possible because in my

535
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,199
idea that brings more
synchronicities.

536
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:37,500
Hmm.
But wouldn't it be fair to say

537
00:34:37,500 --> 00:34:40,600
that the reason why
synchronicities are an evident

538
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,900
or fodder for the fur?
Like you could say that.

539
00:34:44,900 --> 00:34:48,100
It's evidence for simulation
theory is because someone has

540
00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:51,100
assigned that to become
evidence.

541
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,699
For simulation Theory because
it's an unproven Theory.

542
00:34:53,699 --> 00:34:57,200
Right?
So someone says, well, this is

543
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,800
an example of it.
And this is how we have a really

544
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,100
good idea that we're in a
simulation.

545
00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:04,200
If they hadn't ever said that,
then it wouldn't have been even

546
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,000
thought of, you know, it could
just be just a coincidence,

547
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,600
like, everything else, like I
could say, on my perspective

548
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,500
being like, I just had a friend
today, hit me up that I haven't

549
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:19,800
talked to in almost two years,
right?

550
00:35:20,100 --> 00:35:25,100
And I could say, well, I last
month was saying that gosh.

551
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,200
He completely ghosted.
Me and I haven't talked to him

552
00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:31,800
and look, here he is, hit me up,
you know, that's more than a

553
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,900
coincidence, that's a
synchronicity because there's

554
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,400
unless there's like a timeframe
on it, right?

555
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,200
I'm not studying this stuff all
the time but I could say well

556
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,400
that's a synchronicity that's
that's how we know or it could

557
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,500
just be a coincidence because he
missed me and wanted to hit me

558
00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:51,900
up and stuff, but it's only
evidence for Emulation Theory,

559
00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:55,100
because someone has said, oh,
when you, when you see things

560
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:58,500
like this, this is how we're.
We're have a good idea that

561
00:35:58,500 --> 00:36:02,400
we're in a simulation.
I don't think it's necessarily

562
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,800
in evident like evidence for
simulation in that only because

563
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,500
there's a lot of people who
believe in synchronicities.

564
00:36:08,500 --> 00:36:10,600
That don't believe in simulation
theory, Sure.

565
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,300
So it could be a lot of things.
Like I said, it could just be or

566
00:36:14,300 --> 00:36:18,100
like Jeremy was saying a
spiritual thing or whatever it

567
00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:19,600
is.
It doesn't necessarily, it's not

568
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,000
only tied to simulate, Malaysian
Theory.

569
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,000
It's just one piece of the
simulation three puzzle.

570
00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:32,000
We got Grayson, I was going to
chime in but you guys, you guys

571
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,600
kind of covered it, and you can
actually cut this out if you'd

572
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:41,200
like, but I thought it's it's
interesting that a

573
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,500
synchronicity, you know, by from
one person's perspective can be,

574
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,600
you know, air quotes evidence
that we're living in a

575
00:36:49,607 --> 00:36:53,900
simulation and to somebody else.
The same synchronicity is, you

576
00:36:53,900 --> 00:36:58,300
know, more like oh that's that's
actually, you know.

577
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,700
Divine, right?
That's that's God working in my

578
00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:05,800
life, to put this person in
front of me in my in my inbox.

579
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:10,000
No and the same thing happened.
So anyway, you guys can cut this

580
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:10,500
out.
I know.

581
00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:12,700
No, no, that's a great Point.
Kind of a touchy.

582
00:37:12,700 --> 00:37:16,600
Yeah.
That that is because that is

583
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:21,000
exactly how people with
different viewpoints with see a

584
00:37:21,008 --> 00:37:27,500
synchronicity You know.
Forgive me.

585
00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:31,000
Jake is that would that be?
What is divine intervention?

586
00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:38,700
Yeah, that pretty much covers it
like I don't know.

587
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:48,400
If I were to look into my life,
it would be in my divine

588
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,700
intervention would be that time
that I almost drank myself to

589
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:57,800
death at 150 pounds soaking wet,
I blow 0.47 and came out of it

590
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,600
with no brain liver kidney
damage.

591
00:38:01,100 --> 00:38:05,400
You could say that I was divine
intervention in a way to keep me

592
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,100
from dying because there was
something else I was supposed to

593
00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:09,500
do.
I was supposed to turn my life

594
00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:11,800
around.
I was supposed to To become a,

595
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,000
you know, believer in Christ and
preach the gospel.

596
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:23,200
And I knew when I came out of
that, that that was why, right?

597
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,800
It could be something more
simple like, you know, my friend

598
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,800
hitting me up and just being
like, well, now that I'm in this

599
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,200
place of being hardcore for
Jesus and I know, excuse me, I

600
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:40,100
know that he doesn't believe
that this could be my

601
00:38:40,100 --> 00:38:43,100
opportunity.
Unity to tell him, right?

602
00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:45,600
Because there's no one in his
life right now that believes in

603
00:38:45,607 --> 00:38:47,600
Jesus.
You could say that that's divine

604
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,400
intervention.
So yeah, I agree, you know

605
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,400
that's more or less how I would
look at it.

606
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,900
I really don't believe in
coincidence whatsoever, right?

607
00:38:56,900 --> 00:38:58,200
Yeah.
Think that everything kind of

608
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:04,500
lines up for a Divine Purpose.
And that's not excluding the bad

609
00:39:04,500 --> 00:39:06,500
things, right?
Or what we would perceive as

610
00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:10,300
being bad evil things, that
there is a direction that we're

611
00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:13,900
going in.
So yeah, definitely could be

612
00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:19,200
divine, could be a God thing.
Yeah, I can see how people would

613
00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:22,800
have different takes depending
on where they fall in the

614
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,000
religious non-religious
categories, or God or not God or

615
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,900
anything like that, you know,
right.

616
00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:31,600
And that's that's good argument,
you know, evidence for one

617
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:36,300
person is Is.
Hey this happened and I see that

618
00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:41,500
as evidence for being or
evidence on the side of

619
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:45,400
simulation Theory.
And another person will look at

620
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,700
and be like that is evidence on
the side of creationism, you

621
00:39:49,700 --> 00:39:53,000
know, this is a good sorry.
I mean, to cut you off.

622
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,600
Well, maybe I can Bridge the two
together a little bit here, but,

623
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,700
you know, Bridget, the idea that
we're in a simulation would also

624
00:40:01,700 --> 00:40:07,400
have to imply that there was a
Creator, or code writer or

625
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,700
whatever.
Take your pick of the

626
00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:11,200
simulation.
Just like in the movie, The

627
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:16,600
Matrix Neo meets the architect,
Architect is the old bearded

628
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,100
man, right?
Who created the simulation?

629
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:22,900
So in, this is why people have
heard me use the term.

630
00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:26,300
The architect multiple times
partially is because of the

631
00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:30,800
Matrix film, right?
But it's also just another name

632
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,400
for what somebody else might
call God, right?

633
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,100
And there's a billion names for
God, depending on your culture

634
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:41,800
and where you are in the world.
But for me that's kind of this.

635
00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:46,100
It's almost the same, right?
So we live within a creation

636
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:49,800
that was created by a Creator
and in this creation

637
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:55,000
synchronicities and or Divine
acts happen or miracles happen

638
00:40:55,900 --> 00:41:01,400
based on the creation that that
there's no difference in my mind

639
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:06,700
of those things.
Would you say that we're more

640
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:13,700
likely like the Matrix where we
think that we are, like, I don't

641
00:41:13,700 --> 00:41:15,100
know.
Let's just use as an example.

642
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:18,900
Write the Matrix is pretty cool
in the fact that like everybody

643
00:41:18,900 --> 00:41:23,700
on Earth with the exception of
the programs that are inside of

644
00:41:23,700 --> 00:41:28,900
the Matrix that are you know
that are just code are living

645
00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:30,900
their lives thinking that
they're living their lives and

646
00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:33,200
they're actually trapped inside
some pod and there.

647
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,900
Wired into the Matrix and
they're using their, you know,

648
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:38,300
their energy to run the
machines, right.

649
00:41:38,300 --> 00:41:43,300
That is a very interesting take
on the whole thing is that your

650
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:47,600
opinion of what's going on or is
it more along the lines of we

651
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:52,200
are just moving out of action or
we're just living Our Lives

652
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,900
based off of a code that was
already written for us.

653
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,100
Depends on what day of the week.
You ask me sometimes I feel like

654
00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:03,000
we're plugged in somewhere
living through like an actual

655
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,500
simulation, you know, ones and
zeros.

656
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:11,600
But generally, no, I generally
think that simulation is not

657
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,500
even really a good word for it.
It's just the word that we have

658
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:20,200
and it is probably more like
some form of a Divine creation

659
00:42:20,300 --> 00:42:24,100
that we just exist within.
I mean, there's even in a lot of

660
00:42:24,100 --> 00:42:27,200
religious texts talking about
how Now this is a school, a

661
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,300
school for Spirit, right?
And it's, you know, you are

662
00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:34,000
supposed to learn certain
things, whether that is Christ

663
00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:38,000
or whatever thing people might,
you know, be trying to learn in

664
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:44,300
this realm but it was created by
a Creator and we live within it

665
00:42:44,500 --> 00:42:46,300
and we don't know what's beyond
it.

666
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:51,100
We don't know what's outside of
this creation or the simulation.

667
00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:55,200
So it's just it's just a think
it's a language issue, more than

668
00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:00,000
it is a Front in the thought, I
guess.

669
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,800
Yeah.
Because I mean we all agree

670
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,400
words matter, right.
So when you when you say

671
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:13,200
something, you know a lot of
people don't quite realize that

672
00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:17,000
a word has a meaning.
Like if I say this is a cup,

673
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,100
right?
I'm gonna hold a cup, this is a

674
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:23,100
cup what it comes to, they hold
water, right?

675
00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:27,400
And I call that tool.
Now I use to hold water cup.

676
00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:33,000
Simulation has a meaning to it
right.

677
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:41,400
It means a simulation and I like
what Jeff said that, maybe the

678
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:46,000
word simulation isn't
necessarily the right word for

679
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,100
it.
And it doesn't match everybody's

680
00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:55,500
beliefs because we can be
created from a Creator, whether

681
00:43:55,500 --> 00:44:00,800
that be God or a architect,
right?

682
00:44:01,300 --> 00:44:09,200
And we could be created and
living inside of a non-physical

683
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,800
world.
In reality, we live in a world

684
00:44:13,900 --> 00:44:17,300
that we see is reality but it's
non-physical, we perceive it as

685
00:44:17,300 --> 00:44:20,500
physical.
But then again, it can also not

686
00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:25,900
technically be a simulation,
right?

687
00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:28,200
What is it to simulate
something?

688
00:44:28,500 --> 00:44:33,800
It means to try something out.
Right to test something.

689
00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:42,200
So one particular theory in the
simulation Hypothesis is that we

690
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:48,300
are a simulation of the past and
that our future selves are

691
00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:52,200
simulating the past and watching
it happen.

692
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,200
So we are living.
We are where we should be from

693
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:00,000
the future.
In the past.

694
00:45:01,500 --> 00:45:03,200
We are right where we need to
be.

695
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,700
There's somebody that says you
know what, I want to see how

696
00:45:05,700 --> 00:45:10,100
this really badass podcast that
ended up taking over the world

697
00:45:10,100 --> 00:45:16,000
podcast wise started and there's
people from the future watching

698
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,900
us.
Do this podcast.

699
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,600
I think it's called The
ancestral Theory.

700
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:28,700
That would be a simulation.
They are watching it happen to

701
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:31,000
learn something.
How did this podcast?

702
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,400
Start what really happened in
World War 2?

703
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,000
Did injured cold really land and
talk to Woody derenberger?

704
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:46,500
Did Bigfoot really walk in front
of Patterson-Gimlin that day?

705
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:52,800
These are all things that we
could be living in for the

706
00:45:52,808 --> 00:45:57,500
future to learn about.
That is a simulation, right?

707
00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:02,200
now, when you get into a video
game because the simulation

708
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:08,100
hypothesis Often claims that we
are in something similar to a

709
00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:12,800
video game that doesn't
necessarily.

710
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,700
Mina simulation.
Now, one of the most popular

711
00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:21,800
video games are simulated video.
Games is the Sims, right?

712
00:46:22,700 --> 00:46:27,000
But Jake you and I, we play Arc.
Yeah, right.

713
00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:29,200
What are we technically?
Simulating an arc.

714
00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:35,800
Are we simulating anything?
yeah, I mean we're simulating I

715
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:41,000
mean, I would want to say
caveman, but it's way more than

716
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,600
that.
I want to say, it's a loose

717
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,600
definition, right, right?
There's probably a better word

718
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,500
for what we do on Ark.
But arming?

719
00:46:50,900 --> 00:46:53,400
Yeah, pretty much hunting
Gathering farming.

720
00:46:53,700 --> 00:46:55,700
Yeah.
Right War.

721
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:58,900
Could we be simulating all that
stuff?

722
00:46:58,900 --> 00:47:01,400
Yeah, but there's probably
better words for it.

723
00:47:02,300 --> 00:47:07,700
So is simulation the right term
grease and we do you feel about

724
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:11,500
that?
I don't think I have a problem

725
00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:16,600
maybe as much as as much as
you're alluding to about the

726
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:17,800
word.
Simulation.

727
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,500
I think.
I think it's fine.

728
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,300
I guess to your Arc Example,
right?

729
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,200
I don't know art very well but
that's a horrible game.

730
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:36,100
You should never play it.
Why never got angry at your TV.

731
00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:43,900
I don't think I would have a
problem describing that video

732
00:47:43,900 --> 00:47:50,300
game as simulating, you know
like okay well what if you know

733
00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:53,500
there was a person that lived on
this crazy world There Was, You

734
00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:56,900
Know, chalk full of crazy
dinosaurs and crazy, you know,

735
00:47:56,900 --> 00:47:58,400
whatever it's like.
Okay what would it take to

736
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,500
survive?
All right, well, what would it,

737
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,400
you know, what kind of son would
be in this solar system, you

738
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:05,800
know?
Okay, let's put that in the sky,

739
00:48:05,900 --> 00:48:07,800
you know?
No, you're simulating something

740
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,100
that's not in our history.
It's not an ancestral

741
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:15,600
simulation, but it is a science
fiction, one, right?

742
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:20,700
Like I would consider a lot of
like make-believe where, you

743
00:48:20,700 --> 00:48:24,000
know, Halo all those games that
are, they're not real, but you

744
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,700
are simulating.
It's like okay, well, what if

745
00:48:25,700 --> 00:48:28,000
okay, Humanity has to fight
these aliens that come from

746
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,400
another, you know, you're the
main character and you're in the

747
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:35,500
simulated world rights, just
play out based on your input, I

748
00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:41,000
guess a A simulation in my, in
my mind, I think of a simulation

749
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,100
as something where I may make
the rules to the simulation the

750
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:48,100
physics, right?
But I'm not controlling

751
00:48:48,100 --> 00:48:52,400
anything, right?
I'm not controlling a player, a

752
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,600
simulation would be okay.
I want this this this, this I

753
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,700
want it to be dark out, no
mountain.

754
00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:02,700
Just a flat field and I want to
see a whole bunch of people run

755
00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:04,500
around, hit play.
Watch it happen.

756
00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:09,800
Right, that's not up to me.
That's not what we're doing.

757
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,600
We're not just hit, you know,
we're not.

758
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,200
Somebody didn't just hit play
and watching it happen.

759
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:22,500
I feel like we are in control,
right?

760
00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:27,400
It's like a intelligent
simulation, maybe, you know,

761
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,800
where we are living inside of a
simulation, like the world is

762
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:36,100
simulated but we are not.
I don't know if that makes

763
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:37,500
sense.
Does that make sense?

764
00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:40,000
We're not necessarily somebody
else's Avatar?

765
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,300
Yeah, it makes a lot of sense to
me.

766
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:46,600
I mean, I don't like to think of
us being in a simulation as

767
00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:50,400
Unlike the ancestral simulation
where we're just being simulated

768
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,800
to be learned about, or watched
from the future, what I like to

769
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:58,100
think is that we are sentient
within the simulation, it's us.

770
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:04,300
Our actual sentience is in the
simulation for a purpose for a

771
00:50:04,308 --> 00:50:06,300
reason, right?
Like, we're here to learn

772
00:50:06,300 --> 00:50:10,400
something or to do something in
the simulation and it is us.

773
00:50:10,700 --> 00:50:13,300
And like this guy, you're
talking about who killed his

774
00:50:13,300 --> 00:50:17,200
parents, you know?
Like he had a totally Construed

775
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,500
conception of what it means to
be in the simulation, right,

776
00:50:20,700 --> 00:50:21,800
right.
Like you were saying like, you

777
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,100
love your kids, even if they are
simulation, no, no.

778
00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:27,800
Like they're sentience is also
in the simulation.

779
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,800
So they are not simulations,
right?

780
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:34,100
You are not a simulation, but
the, the world and the events

781
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:37,900
and even the universe, perhaps
is the simulation that our

782
00:50:37,900 --> 00:50:41,500
sentience resides in.
Thank you, that is exactly what

783
00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:43,600
I was trying to get through.
There's no, I just went along

784
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,100
Route.
What's the difference between

785
00:50:45,100 --> 00:50:49,600
that and reality then?
Because that would be I want to

786
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:54,000
say that the idea of you know
all this being a simulation or

787
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:59,500
this is like the Matrix that is
that there's you know, If it's

788
00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:03,100
just a parallel to reality, what
we what we know what we

789
00:51:03,100 --> 00:51:07,300
experienced, what we're doing
right now is, you know, just say

790
00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:10,400
like we her all controlling
drones and the drones did

791
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,100
whatever.
We told them to or like a

792
00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:13,600
character in a video game,
right?

793
00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:16,800
I want my character to run
forward and then turn left and

794
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,500
then I'm controlling this
vessel, and I'm running forward,

795
00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:21,700
and I'm turning left, and I'm
doing whatever it is.

796
00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:24,600
I want to do controlling this
vessel, because I'm sentient in

797
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,000
this game.
So it's just parallel to

798
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,000
reality.
So then what's the Point.

799
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,000
Well let's let's just assume for
a second.

800
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,700
I know people are going to
probably be like you're you're

801
00:51:34,700 --> 00:51:38,100
contradicting yourself Jeff.
Let's just assume space is real

802
00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:46,800
and what they told us.
Hey it's just an idea.

803
00:51:47,500 --> 00:51:52,600
What if we are in the mothership
traveling to Earth to populate

804
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,700
the Earth and in that 10
trillion light year journey

805
00:51:56,700 --> 00:52:00,400
journey or whatever, right?
We we have to be plugged into a

806
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,700
simulation of the Earth in order
to practice and get things.

807
00:52:04,700 --> 00:52:05,800
Right.
So that when we get to the

808
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,100
Earth, we don't do the things
that we see right now when we

809
00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:18,200
watch the news, Everybody bear
with us while we take this quick

810
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:24,900
break.
So, I think it's interesting

811
00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:30,800
that you guys are, I guess the
Matrix version of the simulation

812
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:37,400
hypothesis or theory is I guess
the most comfortable, right?

813
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,400
I've just like, okay, if we, you
know, just as a thought

814
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,200
experiment, it's like, okay
we're living and this, you know,

815
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,300
back to the where we started
like this, Mike that I'm talking

816
00:52:47,300 --> 00:52:52,800
into is simulated.
But I myself, although my Guitar

817
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,700
is simulated like I exist,
right?

818
00:52:54,700 --> 00:52:59,900
I'm in a vat somewhere and I
need to take the pill the wake

819
00:52:59,900 --> 00:53:03,400
up but also you know my wife is
also in a vast somewhere, you

820
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,700
know, and it's just like okay so
we're all real.

821
00:53:05,700 --> 00:53:08,400
We're just all playing this
Collective video game.

822
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:15,900
I think it's interesting that
That it's not.

823
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,600
I don't know.
I guess it's not necessary for

824
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,300
that version of the simulation
to be true, right?

825
00:53:21,300 --> 00:53:26,100
I mean there is, I guess it's
simpler, right?

826
00:53:26,100 --> 00:53:28,800
Because you take out the problem
of Consciousness, right?

827
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,400
Which is like oh it's impossible
to simulate Consciousness.

828
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,600
I think that's one of the
biggest arguments that comes up

829
00:53:33,700 --> 00:53:38,400
against.
The simulation argument, right?

830
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:43,800
Is that oh it's not possible,
you know, Consciousness is not

831
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,800
physical, so therefore can't be
simulated.

832
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,600
But I guess with the Matrix
version, it simplifies things,

833
00:53:52,300 --> 00:53:56,100
you know, Consciousness is not
in the simulation or I guess

834
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:57,500
it's not built into the
simulation.

835
00:53:57,500 --> 00:54:01,600
We are providing the simulation
Consciousness through ourselves

836
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,200
but I guess that's a much bigger
question.

837
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,300
You know what is consciousness
and How does that fit into all

838
00:54:06,300 --> 00:54:10,800
this, right?
Calves are you're quiet.

839
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,000
I'll talk so much Ken's our
concerns.

840
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,200
Just soaking it all in.
What you guys have to say here?

841
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:22,600
What do you have to say here?
Ken's are honestly I don't know,

842
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,100
the simulation kind of melts my
brain.

843
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,700
The way I view, it is kind of
like the video game, but we're

844
00:54:34,700 --> 00:54:36,900
all.
I'm the main character in the

845
00:54:36,900 --> 00:54:41,200
video game, Jeremy Sizzle, main
character, and his video game,

846
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,700
and Jeff is and Grayson's.
All in his, we're all on our own

847
00:54:44,700 --> 00:54:48,600
video game timeline.
So we're all experiencing a

848
00:54:48,607 --> 00:54:52,100
simulation kind of differently
from the next person.

849
00:54:55,700 --> 00:54:58,000
I don't know.
I it's it's to me.

850
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,900
It's like online.
Yeah, like somebody is.

851
00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:08,100
Almost trying to not necessarily
control me and my actions but

852
00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:15,700
the world around me which is why
we experience such crazy things

853
00:55:15,700 --> 00:55:19,300
that happen worldwide.
Anything.

854
00:55:19,300 --> 00:55:26,000
Really like world wars, for
example, like Why am I

855
00:55:26,008 --> 00:55:28,600
experiencing that?
Why are we experiencing that, is

856
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:33,400
somebody creating that to test
us is somebody doing that to

857
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:39,200
test me test you It's almost
like someone's trying, it

858
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,100
bothers me because I don't like
the idea of somebody trying to

859
00:55:42,100 --> 00:55:45,600
control the world around me.
I like to be able to control my

860
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,300
own world and my it make my own
decisions and the simulation

861
00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:51,900
bothers me because it's like
somebody else is trying to take

862
00:55:51,900 --> 00:55:57,700
that from me.
So let's talk about Quantum,

863
00:55:57,700 --> 00:56:03,400
indeterminacy in determinacy
that word, right?

864
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,800
This is the theory in quantum
physics that everything is

865
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,800
purposely incomplete until
needed by the physical world in

866
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,900
layman's terms.
This would be the equivalent to,

867
00:56:12,900 --> 00:56:15,600
when you're playing a video game
and you're watching the world

868
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,400
render around you.
This is done to save computing

869
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,500
power and allow for a more
seamless gameplay experience.

870
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,700
Also, applies to the famous
question, if a tree falls in the

871
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:31,000
woods and nobody is around here,
it doesn't make a sound, no, no,

872
00:56:31,700 --> 00:56:38,000
no, nope, okay.
So, Okay, we'll stop right there

873
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,300
for a second, right?
If the tree falls in the woods

874
00:56:41,500 --> 00:56:43,300
and nobody's around to hear it,
does it make a sound?

875
00:56:44,500 --> 00:56:48,500
No why?
And because I know you're

876
00:56:48,500 --> 00:56:51,900
against simulation Theory,
right?

877
00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:55,600
But if it didn't make a sound,
that would be a very good piece

878
00:56:55,600 --> 00:57:00,500
of evidence for simulation
Theory because that tree is out

879
00:57:00,500 --> 00:57:05,600
of render, right?
So let me put it into video game

880
00:57:05,900 --> 00:57:09,400
terminology.
And I'm going to use ARC for

881
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,800
example, because I'm talking to
Jake here.

882
00:57:13,100 --> 00:57:16,800
We fly our.
We teleport to another

883
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,700
teleportation pad right and it
happens instantaneously or

884
00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:22,900
however it takes.
However long it takes to load.

885
00:57:22,900 --> 00:57:25,500
Right.
But do we know for a fact

886
00:57:25,500 --> 00:57:27,200
there's anything there that's
going to kill us.

887
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,200
Is there a T-Rex there or Giga?
That is going to kill us right

888
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,500
away.
We don't know until we get

889
00:57:32,500 --> 00:57:36,500
there, right?
Okay, so technically is there a

890
00:57:36,508 --> 00:57:40,400
giga there?
Before we teleport to that

891
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:44,500
position or is it determined
once we get there?

892
00:57:48,500 --> 00:57:52,600
I would say because of my luck
on that game that it's already

893
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:59,900
there, I could be wrong, but it
seems like it's waiting for a

894
00:57:59,900 --> 00:58:02,200
wyvern to be tired so I can eat
both of us.

895
00:58:02,900 --> 00:58:06,400
Mike isn't this?
The famous famous cat experiment

896
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,800
will get the T-Rex is there and
it isn't there at the same time?

897
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,700
Exactly.
And we're getting there and

898
00:58:11,700 --> 00:58:14,500
that's kind of where I'm getting
to with this tree falling,

899
00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:18,300
right?
If it Doesn't make a sound and

900
00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:21,100
the next time someone shows up
in that portion of the woods and

901
00:58:21,100 --> 00:58:25,300
that tree is just on the ground,
did it ever actually go through

902
00:58:25,300 --> 00:58:29,400
the motions of falling?
Or did it when it rendered in?

903
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:34,800
Was it just on the ground?
Okay, so bear with me and I

904
00:58:34,808 --> 00:58:37,300
could be completely wrong and I
probably am wrong.

905
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,100
What's up?
You're welcome.

906
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:45,600
Oh okay, I said hold on.
So sound is just vibrations.

907
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:50,400
It's right, it's true.
But it's not really sound until

908
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:56,400
someone is around 2 or something
that can hear is our round to

909
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,800
translate those vibrations into
a noise.

910
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,500
So if nothing is around there to
translate those vibrations into

911
00:59:03,500 --> 00:59:08,200
a noise, then it's not really
sound, it's just vibrations.

912
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:13,500
So my question to you is, is the
past happening or does a pass

913
00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:15,500
only happen once it's witnessed
by.

914
00:59:15,700 --> 00:59:18,000
Somebody, that doesn't make any
sense.

915
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,600
But anyway, it's literally
literally what you're telling

916
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,800
me.
Well, the other side of that is

917
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:30,400
that everything vibrates in the
universe or on Earth, depending

918
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,700
on who you're talking to me, or
Jeff, but everything vibrates.

919
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,800
So technically everything makes
sound.

920
00:59:37,900 --> 00:59:41,500
So even you, we just can't
perceive it mostly time.

921
00:59:41,700 --> 00:59:46,400
So even if that tree, whether it
falls, or it does, Fall it

922
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:50,900
standing, it's making sound 100%
of the time all the time.

923
00:59:51,900 --> 00:59:54,700
So, okay, that's and know.
Okay.

924
00:59:55,100 --> 00:59:59,300
So let's set the smartest thing
I've ever heard you say, we

925
00:59:59,300 --> 01:00:01,700
miss, not, I've heard this
morning on this and I work

926
01:00:01,700 --> 01:00:05,700
center for six hours a day.
And this is the thing I came up

927
01:00:05,700 --> 01:00:07,200
with and I was just like, hold
on.

928
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:08,200
Yes.
And no.

929
01:00:08,300 --> 01:00:10,800
All right, so you're talking
about sound waves, right?

930
01:00:10,900 --> 01:00:14,300
Let's change the question.
If a tree falls in the woods and

931
01:00:14,300 --> 01:00:17,800
nobody is around to see.
See it, does it fall?

932
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:23,200
I'm going to say no and I'm
gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna

933
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,500
defer to the what's that
experiment.

934
01:00:26,500 --> 01:00:29,500
The observer effect, the
Schr��dinger's cat will get

935
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:31,200
there.
I'm literally getting to that

936
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,500
point, but what I'm trying to
prove to Jake here then yes, is

937
01:00:35,500 --> 01:00:37,200
always.
So you think it does fall?

938
01:00:37,300 --> 01:00:38,700
Yeah.
We because of the nobody there

939
01:00:38,700 --> 01:00:42,600
to absorb the light because what
is what is site?

940
01:00:42,700 --> 01:00:45,500
Well, no, there isn't change,
just because there's a blind

941
01:00:45,500 --> 01:00:47,300
person standing next to it and
can't see it.

942
01:00:47,300 --> 01:00:51,700
It doesn't change the physical.
It's hitting a different sense,

943
01:00:51,900 --> 01:00:54,700
right?
If nobody's there to to smell

944
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:59,900
taste touch here.
Okay, who is he?

945
01:01:09,300 --> 01:01:11,700
My house down because it's a
simulation, it doesn't matter.

946
01:01:12,500 --> 01:01:14,900
Let's move on.
Let's move on another way of

947
01:01:14,900 --> 01:01:18,600
describing Quantum.
Indeterminacy is by saying that

948
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,700
all All outcomes exist unless
one particular outcome is

949
01:01:21,700 --> 01:01:24,200
observed.
In the book.

950
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:28,600
The simulation hypothesis by R
is why verk he explains this by

951
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:32,500
explaining that before entering
a movie theater, every seat is a

952
01:01:32,500 --> 01:01:34,900
possibility to sit at to enjoy
the movie.

953
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,000
But once you witness the
availability, the outcome

954
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,900
changes dramatically, no matter.
Whether you see nobody else in

955
01:01:41,900 --> 01:01:44,300
the theater or crammed pack
theater.

956
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,500
And once you sit down that c is
your new reality.

957
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:54,000
And yet another example is that
of Schrodinger's cat an exercise

958
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:58,400
used often when explaining
Quantum indeterminacy and more

959
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,800
specifically Quantum
superposition.

960
01:02:01,300 --> 01:02:07,100
The exercise asks this question
if a cart was left in the Box

961
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:12,200
it's a cart.
If a cat was left in a box for

962
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,700
an hour with a flask of
radioactive material, which

963
01:02:15,700 --> 01:02:18,700
opens once an internal monitor
detects.

964
01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:24,400
The radioactivity after the hour
is the cat Dead or Alive, the

965
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,100
answer.
According to the Copenhagen

966
01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:30,300
interpretation is that the cat
is both dead and alive and then

967
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:35,400
outcome hasn't been determined.
Until there is an observer once

968
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:39,400
that box is opened and a cat is
witnessed either dead or alive.

969
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:43,000
Then the outcome is written with
100% certainty.

970
01:02:43,900 --> 01:02:48,900
So Ken's are since your brains
nice and fried.

971
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:57,800
If I put a cat in a box in front
of you a wooden crate and I

972
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:04,000
threw a flask in there with
radioactive material mmm and I

973
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:08,300
put a geiger counter in there.
If that Geiger counter measured,

974
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:13,500
even the smallest inkling of
radioactive material.

975
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,400
It would shatter that Flats can
kill the cat.

976
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:21,900
Right?
Yeah, so I closed the crate up.

977
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,300
We walk into the other room,
come back.

978
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,500
Can't hear nothing coming from
the crate soundproof.

979
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:29,600
Right?
No.

980
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,600
Way of telling whether this cat
is dead or alive.

981
01:03:32,500 --> 01:03:36,500
Before you open it up, I ask is
the cat dead or is the cat

982
01:03:36,500 --> 01:03:40,300
alive.
What's your answer?

983
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:49,600
I honestly would say dead, okay?
Because you have a flask full of

984
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:53,600
radioactive material, hmm.
And the sensor for said,

985
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:57,400
radioactive material, if it
senses it, it's just going to

986
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,100
Explode, right?
But what if there isn't a leak

987
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,600
Well, I'm just going to assume
there is okay because I assume

988
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:10,300
the worst in everything.
So we open the box, right?

989
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,100
And literally history is not
written.

990
01:04:14,500 --> 01:04:16,900
We can't tell whether the cat is
dead or alive.

991
01:04:16,900 --> 01:04:19,900
We open it up.
The cat is dead, we do some

992
01:04:19,900 --> 01:04:22,500
tests on it, we find out.
The cat has been dead for 15

993
01:04:22,500 --> 01:04:26,300
minutes and therefore we can
determine that at the 15 are at

994
01:04:26,300 --> 01:04:30,700
the 45-minute mark.
There was some sort of leak of

995
01:04:30,700 --> 01:04:33,300
radioactivity.
The geiger counter caught it

996
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,800
shouted.
The flask killed the cat and

997
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:40,900
therefore, the past was written
by witnessing.

998
01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:44,000
The present.
Are we, are we all on board

999
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,400
here?
Yep.

1000
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,500
Okay, so here's my opinion on
this.

1001
01:04:49,500 --> 01:04:56,200
I think that our sentience has
the ability to change the

1002
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,400
outcomes of things, right?
So this is part of the

1003
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,800
simulation.
I think that it's almost like

1004
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:03,500
this is why I didn't want to
necessarily use the word

1005
01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:06,500
manifestation earlier, but it's
almost like a form of that in a

1006
01:05:06,500 --> 01:05:09,300
way where I think that, if you
believe something, like, Ken's

1007
01:05:09,300 --> 01:05:10,800
are believes, the cat would be
dead.

1008
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,600
And the cat would be dead if we
all for whatever reason, truly

1009
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,100
believe that the cat Wouldn't be
dead than it wouldn't be dead.

1010
01:05:17,100 --> 01:05:19,800
I think that there's a certain
there's a certain power to that.

1011
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:21,600
And speaking of that, this cat
is rubbing his face on my

1012
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:25,000
microphone.
But is it dead or alive?

1013
01:05:28,900 --> 01:05:29,800
But you know, what does that
make?

1014
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,200
Any sense to you guys?
Yeah, yeah.

1015
01:05:32,500 --> 01:05:37,400
But there's a lot of, there's a
lot of experiments and a lot of

1016
01:05:38,700 --> 01:05:44,700
evidence for putting energy out
into the world and getting a

1017
01:05:44,700 --> 01:05:46,000
reaction.
Eight.

1018
01:05:46,100 --> 01:05:52,600
So, and that actually goes into
while why there's these these

1019
01:05:52,900 --> 01:05:58,100
group efforts to put energy out
into the out, into the world to

1020
01:05:58,100 --> 01:06:02,300
get a certain outcome, right?
Yeah, I mean, that's the whole

1021
01:06:02,300 --> 01:06:06,400
idea of placebos, right?
I mean, there's actually a can't

1022
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:10,000
remember the study, but they
actually had cured cancer in

1023
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,400
some people using nothing but
placebos, because those people

1024
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,100
truly believed they were getting
treatments.

1025
01:06:15,500 --> 01:06:17,900
Then as soon as they learn that
they weren't getting treatments,

1026
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,200
cancer came back and a lot of
those people die from the

1027
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:23,700
cancer.
Hmm that's on like an extreme

1028
01:06:24,300 --> 01:06:29,700
extremely small scale.
I mean it's it's you could say

1029
01:06:29,700 --> 01:06:34,100
that the positive energy that
they had from the placebo had

1030
01:06:34,100 --> 01:06:36,400
nothing to do with it at all and
the cancer was just going to

1031
01:06:36,408 --> 01:06:40,500
take its course anyway that at
some point it was just going to

1032
01:06:41,100 --> 01:06:45,000
get worse or materialize then
kill them.

1033
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:49,300
Like it had nothing to do with
how they thought the drugs, help

1034
01:06:49,300 --> 01:06:51,400
them or dinner.
You saying it was a coincidence

1035
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,800
that you don't believe in.
What do you mean?

1036
01:06:54,500 --> 01:06:58,700
Well, if you had cancer and I
gave you a placebo and made you

1037
01:06:58,700 --> 01:07:01,400
believe that it was a treatment
and then your cancer went away.

1038
01:07:02,900 --> 01:07:06,500
Is that a coincidence or is it
because you truly believe that

1039
01:07:06,500 --> 01:07:08,500
the cancer was going away from
the treatment?

1040
01:07:08,700 --> 01:07:12,000
Mmm.
I just don't think it's evidence

1041
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:16,500
one way or the other.
It can't be definitively stated

1042
01:07:16,500 --> 01:07:18,200
that.
Oh, this person will do their

1043
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,100
way out of the situation.
And it also can't be said that

1044
01:07:22,500 --> 01:07:24,000
the cancer was always going to
do this.

1045
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,700
You know, it's just, I think
that's why I have sometimes I

1046
01:07:26,707 --> 01:07:32,500
have a problem with like,
Placebo examples because it's

1047
01:07:32,500 --> 01:07:35,800
like, well you the other side of
that could just as easily be

1048
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,700
what Jake is saying, right?
It's just like, well, this was

1049
01:07:37,700 --> 01:07:40,600
just always going to happen if
you didn't treat this person.

1050
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,000
I'm sure this is the course that
was going to happen.

1051
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:44,800
So I agree.
I think it's evidence.

1052
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,200
It's not proof though.
You know, if it was one time,

1053
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:52,000
one guy, then maybe, but if I'm
not mistaken, this study was

1054
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,500
done on multiple people and the
outcomes were the same.

1055
01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:01,000
So you're saying that like well
when that be different than, you

1056
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,100
know, positive energy and Good
Vibes.

1057
01:08:03,100 --> 01:08:07,300
That's you, truly believing that
your body is fighting something

1058
01:08:07,900 --> 01:08:11,300
and your body starts reacting in
a way that it's fighting back a

1059
01:08:11,308 --> 01:08:15,200
cancer until you find out that
you've just been lied to.

1060
01:08:15,500 --> 01:08:18,399
And then you lose all hope.
And you lose that, that will to

1061
01:08:18,399 --> 01:08:21,300
fight like people.
That is like, you know, people

1062
01:08:21,300 --> 01:08:24,300
survive, all kinds of craziness.
We're just like, yeah, should

1063
01:08:24,399 --> 01:08:26,200
definitely should have killed
you, you know?

1064
01:08:26,399 --> 01:08:29,700
It's like you definitely you
know it's pretty observable that

1065
01:08:29,700 --> 01:08:34,600
a human body bleeds out and so
you know so long but that whole

1066
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:39,000
struggle to survive and stuff
against insurmountable odds and

1067
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,500
people come out of these crazy
situations is like there's

1068
01:08:41,500 --> 01:08:43,899
really no reason why they should
still be alive.

1069
01:08:43,899 --> 01:08:47,500
You know, based off of observed
reality is over and over and

1070
01:08:47,500 --> 01:08:51,300
over and over and over again or
like so much, so long trapped in

1071
01:08:51,308 --> 01:08:53,800
a mine shaft and stuff until
they were finally rescued.

1072
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:57,000
And it's like because they had
that will to Survive.

1073
01:08:57,300 --> 01:09:00,600
And so their body pushed versus
someone who just gave up and

1074
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:05,600
just, you know, died.
But if it's like, if positive

1075
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:10,399
energy and all that, actually
existed, then, I mean, I doubt,

1076
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:13,000
there'd be genocides in Africa
right now.

1077
01:09:13,100 --> 01:09:16,800
Like it would just, it would
have more in effect than just a

1078
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:20,800
person fighting cancer.
You know, it would be more

1079
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:24,899
observable on a larger scale.
If more people were involved,

1080
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:29,600
there would be Matic changes in
the world versus the course that

1081
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,600
were on right now, which is
like, well, they're not doing a

1082
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,899
very good job.
Well, you're gonna get me into

1083
01:09:34,899 --> 01:09:37,600
like a whole other thing, but
basically, that's the whole idea

1084
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,100
of the like, divide-and-conquer
idea, right?

1085
01:09:40,100 --> 01:09:44,100
Is because we're all being
distracted and confused and fed

1086
01:09:44,100 --> 01:09:47,700
negativity all the time.
That's why we don't see greater

1087
01:09:47,700 --> 01:09:51,500
good happening in the world.
So it's in my opinion, that's by

1088
01:09:51,500 --> 01:09:54,400
Design and this isn't even an
argument for simulation Theory,

1089
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,100
honesty.
This is just a an For the power

1090
01:09:57,100 --> 01:10:01,200
of human thought, right?
Is the cat that are not in the

1091
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:03,900
box, and I just think that
having a belief one way or the

1092
01:10:03,900 --> 01:10:07,400
other has an effect on that
somehow, all right?

1093
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:10,600
Let me finish up Quantum
indeterminacy, but why are we

1094
01:10:10,608 --> 01:10:13,400
talking about Quantum
indeterminacy and superposition

1095
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,900
and rizwan werkes book, the
simulation hypothesis.

1096
01:10:16,900 --> 01:10:20,800
He discusses, how video games.
Use, a practice would like this,

1097
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:25,000
to save on Computing ability,
Video Games, like World of

1098
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,400
Warcraft.
And if you Around long enough

1099
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:30,700
with us, you know, Jake and I
play a game called Arc, use

1100
01:10:30,700 --> 01:10:36,800
World Building engines and gpus.
In order to bring the simulated

1101
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:41,500
world, you are playing into
existence as the Observer moves

1102
01:10:41,500 --> 01:10:45,000
among the world.
This allows the GPU to process

1103
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:49,500
the world needed by The Observer
only when called upon and the

1104
01:10:49,500 --> 01:10:51,400
rest of the world is left in
what is known.

1105
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:56,300
Stasis in stasis, the world
doesn't exist, therefore Or

1106
01:10:56,308 --> 01:11:00,200
nothing happens or better yet.
According to Quantum

1107
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:04,800
superposition everything is
happening at once and the actual

1108
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:08,800
outcome doesn't show on the
screen into a player arrives in

1109
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:12,400
the vicinity of the event.
Because before you get there,

1110
01:11:12,900 --> 01:11:14,800
all possible outcomes are
possible.

1111
01:11:15,300 --> 01:11:18,100
So, this kind of brings up the
question.

1112
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:23,000
That is a popular talking point
when it comes to the simulation

1113
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:28,800
hypothesis.
Gpus processing ability in order

1114
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:32,800
for this to be a computer
simulation, in any way, shape,

1115
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:36,700
or form.
And we have multiple different

1116
01:11:36,700 --> 01:11:39,400
Players.
Let's say all five of us are our

1117
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:42,400
player, right?
And you know, most assume that

1118
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:45,000
there's some NPCs out there.
I'm sure you guys have met some

1119
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,500
NPCs.
I know, I know, for fuck's sake,

1120
01:11:47,500 --> 01:11:50,600
I have met some NPCs for sure.
Right.

1121
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:54,700
I love to cut me off on the
road, right.

1122
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:02,100
One of the biggest arguments
against the whole idea that the

1123
01:12:02,100 --> 01:12:04,400
generating power would have to
be.

1124
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:07,800
So immense is that, no, it
doesn't have to be so nuts

1125
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:10,700
because you literally only need
to process.

1126
01:12:10,700 --> 01:12:14,400
The stuff that's being observed.
Going back to the tree falling

1127
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,800
in the woods.
Right.

1128
01:12:17,700 --> 01:12:19,700
The tree falls.
Nobody's there to witness.

1129
01:12:19,700 --> 01:12:23,500
It does actually fall
technically in a simulation.

1130
01:12:23,700 --> 01:12:27,700
No, it wouldn't actually fall.
It would just be on the ground.

1131
01:12:27,700 --> 01:12:29,600
Next time, someone was there to
observe it.

1132
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:34,500
The process of it actually
falling would never actually

1133
01:12:34,500 --> 01:12:37,800
happen.
We have things in this world and

1134
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:41,000
I'm not saying this, as what I
really believe, I'm just

1135
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:45,000
bringing the the simulation
Theory to the table.

1136
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:49,800
But we are influenced by a lot
of different things.

1137
01:12:50,300 --> 01:12:52,200
We wake up.
We look at our phone.

1138
01:12:53,300 --> 01:13:00,100
It says that there was a plane
crash right in Missouri.

1139
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,200
Did the plane crash until you
observed?

1140
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:06,500
Something saying that it
happened.

1141
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,900
Was that a reality until you
observed it?

1142
01:13:12,700 --> 01:13:19,200
So you wake up History has not
been written you read that.

1143
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:20,600
There was a plane crash in
Missouri.

1144
01:13:21,700 --> 01:13:28,600
Now from your point of view, in
your simulation, There was a

1145
01:13:28,608 --> 01:13:33,800
plane crash, Missouri.
That is another example of the

1146
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:35,900
past being written by the
president.

1147
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:45,100
And nothing was actually.
Computed, no gpus.

1148
01:13:45,100 --> 01:13:48,300
No.
Nothing were used to.

1149
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:53,000
Actually simulate anything, it
just happened.

1150
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:55,600
What do you guys think about
that?

1151
01:13:56,100 --> 01:13:57,400
Well, I think a lot of things
about that.

1152
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:00,700
Honestly, I'm personally under
the belief, being the conspiracy

1153
01:14:00,700 --> 01:14:03,100
guy that most of the things that
we hear about happening aren't

1154
01:14:03,100 --> 01:14:05,400
actually happening.
Here's a story.

1155
01:14:05,900 --> 01:14:10,100
So, you know, to use your
example, if a plane crashes, you

1156
01:14:10,100 --> 01:14:15,500
know, did it crash or did it
crash after we knew about it or

1157
01:14:15,500 --> 01:14:19,200
whatever, or is it possible that
it didn't happen at all and it's

1158
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:21,300
just information being fed to
us.

1159
01:14:22,900 --> 01:14:28,500
So I don't know, I think it's
also that's an interesting

1160
01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:31,600
example with the plane crash
because it involves, you know,

1161
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,300
death, suppose the police.
You know.

1162
01:14:33,300 --> 01:14:35,200
So I think that's an interesting
example.

1163
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:39,000
I've always liked the example
of, you know Adams, right.

1164
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:42,900
So it's just like, okay, yeah,
we can all our batter know if we

1165
01:14:42,900 --> 01:14:45,500
all can we can all kind of agree
that it's like okay there's

1166
01:14:45,500 --> 01:14:47,700
Adam's you know this desk is
made of atoms, right?

1167
01:14:47,700 --> 01:14:52,400
If I took out a super microscope
and rip this desk of Part.

1168
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:54,400
I would see all these little
things happening, right?

1169
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:57,100
Or I would see all the fibers
and everything that was done to

1170
01:14:57,100 --> 01:15:01,300
make this desk, but it doesn't
necessarily have to be that way

1171
01:15:01,300 --> 01:15:03,200
right now, right, I'm not
looking at the inside of this

1172
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:08,100
desk right now, it's I can feel
it, but until I take a hammer to

1173
01:15:08,100 --> 01:15:10,900
it, I don't know what it's made
of, right, I have a general

1174
01:15:10,900 --> 01:15:14,400
understanding, so I think to
Jeremy's point, you know, you

1175
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:17,800
can save a lot of computing
power by not simulating things.

1176
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,800
You know, to the to the nth
degree, you know, you don't need

1177
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,600
to simulate most of the ocean,
right?

1178
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:28,800
Until there's like a person
there that's that's in the ocean

1179
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:31,200
and then taking a water sample
and putting it under a

1180
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:32,200
microscope and back.
Oh yeah.

1181
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:34,700
Look, there's bacteria in here,
you know, that kind of thing,

1182
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:38,400
right?
Until it's observed and it would

1183
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:44,000
save a lot of computing power.
But is that technically evidence

1184
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:52,100
or is that just An argument.
On how isn't an argument,

1185
01:15:52,100 --> 01:15:54,200
cutting the puzzle piece to make
it fit.

1186
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:57,900
Yes.
I kind of think it is and I

1187
01:15:57,900 --> 01:16:02,200
think the reason is if there is
some architect right or God

1188
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:06,900
that's able to create this
entire simulation, which would

1189
01:16:06,900 --> 01:16:08,900
potentially Encompass the entire
universe.

1190
01:16:09,700 --> 01:16:14,100
Why do we assume that there's a
limitation on computing power on

1191
01:16:14,100 --> 01:16:16,900
that level for looking at it
from our perspective?

1192
01:16:16,900 --> 01:16:20,900
Of course, there's limitations.
But on that level there might

1193
01:16:20,900 --> 01:16:25,500
not be limitations that that
does come up You know, from time

1194
01:16:25,500 --> 01:16:29,200
to time in the simulation
hypothesis, right?

1195
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:35,800
It does to use a really old
example that I used a long time

1196
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:40,700
ago, is that We're talking from
the point of view of an ant,

1197
01:16:41,500 --> 01:16:44,000
right?
The ant knows nothing but the

1198
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:47,600
world that it lives in, right?
It walks in our grass and it

1199
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:52,700
sees these tall tall plants,
which we call grass, and we see

1200
01:16:52,700 --> 01:16:56,200
it as something small, because
it know anything about the world

1201
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,800
that we live in that we humans
live.

1202
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,700
It doesn't know anything about
flight.

1203
01:17:03,500 --> 01:17:06,600
Airplanes flying through the sky
about going to work every day.

1204
01:17:06,900 --> 01:17:10,100
Does it?
Anything about how Logistics

1205
01:17:10,100 --> 01:17:12,400
systems work, anything like
that.

1206
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:19,200
No, it only knows what the ant
knows. so if I were to go down

1207
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:24,000
in size and be able to
communicate with an ant and tell

1208
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:31,800
them about the internet about
Quantum physics, right?

1209
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,400
Well, it says we're on this.
If I talk to him about quantum

1210
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:37,000
physics are they going to
understand at all?

1211
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:38,800
Or they can be like yeah, none
of that.

1212
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:42,800
Shit is possible.
Are we looking at this, from the

1213
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:47,600
point of view of an ant, are we
seeing it with limitations that

1214
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:51,400
we apply in our own lives, or
that are applied to our own

1215
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:53,700
lives?
And I think that that would

1216
01:17:53,700 --> 01:17:57,200
that's one of the things that,
you know, so far thinking you're

1217
01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:59,200
out here in Jeff talk.
That's something I agree with

1218
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:03,500
Jeff, is that I think we're
looking at it the wrong way by

1219
01:18:03,500 --> 01:18:06,000
even thinking that we need
computing power.

1220
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:09,900
Because that's a very human
point of view.

1221
01:18:11,100 --> 01:18:12,200
Is that we're trying to say
Jeff.

1222
01:18:12,700 --> 01:18:17,800
Yeah it but also there is
something called the sentient

1223
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:22,600
World simulation you guys ever
heard of this I have and it's

1224
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:26,100
literally it exists in our
reality.

1225
01:18:26,100 --> 01:18:32,100
Now where these institutions
have created this world?

1226
01:18:32,100 --> 01:18:35,400
This sentient World, simulation
where they just input, all of

1227
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:38,600
the data, you know, from
everything that they've ever

1228
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:42,800
collected, and all the trends.
And Anything else and they have

1229
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:47,600
a world simulation right now and
they predicts things and all

1230
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:51,600
kinds of stuff and that that's
just using human capabilities.

1231
01:18:51,700 --> 01:18:54,300
They're able to create a
sentient World simulation.

1232
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:58,900
So imagine something Way Beyond
what we have and what it could

1233
01:18:58,900 --> 01:19:03,200
simulate is that what the
Simpsons are using could be man.

1234
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:05,400
I mean I got an R.
I got a paper pulled up right

1235
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:08,600
here from Purdue University
talking about sentient, World,

1236
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,300
simulation, and so on.
It's definitely a thing.

1237
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,900
And I don't know how in depth or
how good the sentient World

1238
01:19:13,900 --> 01:19:16,900
simulation is because I don't
have access to it, but, you

1239
01:19:16,900 --> 01:19:20,000
know, it's a continuously
running model of the real world.

1240
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:26,000
So who knows how, you know,
Advanced the simulation that

1241
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:31,700
we're in is could be incredibly
advanced Okay.

1242
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:36,000
I think that in order to form my
opinion on it, I would have to

1243
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:39,400
know which model we're looking
at that.

1244
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:43,400
We are all controlling ourselves
and we all exist but somewhere

1245
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:48,400
else and we're controlling this
or that the NPC theory that we

1246
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:53,700
exist but no one else exists or
the not so crazy MPC theory that

1247
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:58,000
most of us exist but some of us
are definitely computer

1248
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:05,700
generated code In order to form
a more in order to for my

1249
01:20:05,700 --> 01:20:11,600
opinion on it because there's
different, there's a different

1250
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:17,800
thought process to each one.
If it was, we are a we are real,

1251
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:19,500
right?
We're controlling ourselves but

1252
01:20:19,500 --> 01:20:23,600
everyone else is an NPC
affecting our reality then

1253
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,100
that's when it goes into my
original point of what is it

1254
01:20:26,100 --> 01:20:28,000
matter?
If that guy killed, his his

1255
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,800
family, what does it matter?
If any of you guys died,

1256
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,100
because, None of you are
actually real.

1257
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:38,100
I'm the only one that's real.
So, everything would be brought

1258
01:20:38,100 --> 01:20:41,600
down to the value of.
I should never donate to

1259
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:43,100
charity.
I should never do anything like

1260
01:20:43,100 --> 01:20:46,200
that because people don't matter
because they aren't real anyway,

1261
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:50,600
which would be a really
frightening thing to, to exist

1262
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:53,900
if you actually believe that
because it wouldn't matter if

1263
01:20:53,900 --> 01:20:56,400
you walk down the street and
decided one day, I want to just

1264
01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:00,300
rock this kid in the face, you
know, just because they there

1265
01:21:00,300 --> 01:21:02,000
next to me.
Me because they're not real.

1266
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:07,600
Anyway, you know, it would it
wouldn't take anything away from

1267
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:11,700
what Hitler did because he
wasn't actually real killing

1268
01:21:11,700 --> 01:21:14,000
real people.
It was all a simulation and

1269
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,700
you're just observing it from
your timeline, right?

1270
01:21:16,700 --> 01:21:18,700
It could be really, really
whacked out.

1271
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:25,200
The idea that there's most of us
are real, but but there's

1272
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:28,600
definitely some simulations some
NPCs out there.

1273
01:21:29,500 --> 01:21:33,700
I could get behind that one.
In that like we've all seen that

1274
01:21:33,700 --> 01:21:35,800
person in the grocery store,
that's just standing there

1275
01:21:35,808 --> 01:21:40,500
staring off into space and it
just like they are just wasting

1276
01:21:40,500 --> 01:21:43,600
time right there supposed to be
here to make this thing feel

1277
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,600
more realistic.
It's funny.

1278
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:50,600
I don't believe this whatsoever,
but you know, that one would be

1279
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:53,600
more in line with reality,
right?

1280
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:57,100
Or like or like what kinds are
was saying, being cut off, they

1281
01:21:57,100 --> 01:21:59,800
are always written in code to
travel that path.

1282
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:03,000
You just happen to be to be
behind them in your reality.

1283
01:22:03,100 --> 01:22:05,300
So when they cut you off, they
weren't actually cutting you

1284
01:22:05,300 --> 01:22:06,300
off.
That was the path.

1285
01:22:06,300 --> 01:22:09,100
That was written for them to
travel like people driving in

1286
01:22:09,100 --> 01:22:12,600
cars in Grand Theft Auto, you
just happen to be behind them

1287
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,000
when they were going to make
that change into that other

1288
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:19,000
lane, okay?
Or the other one, which is the

1289
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:22,300
more Matrix U version, which is
that we all exist somewhere

1290
01:22:22,300 --> 01:22:24,600
else.
But we are affecting this

1291
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:27,400
reality and we're all just kind
of playing together and we just

1292
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,100
don't know it.
You know that that's the way

1293
01:22:29,100 --> 01:22:33,400
reality is in which case It
would be just a parallel of this

1294
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:37,100
world because there would be
consequences, you know, you

1295
01:22:37,100 --> 01:22:40,400
would be killing an actual
person and it would be affecting

1296
01:22:40,500 --> 01:22:44,800
their body somewhere else.
So I would have to know the

1297
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:48,200
model of which one we're talking
about or if it's none of those.

1298
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:51,400
And it's something else entirely
to really formulate, a good

1299
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:53,400
opinion.
But from where I sit right now,

1300
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:57,800
this is like I said an
incredible waste of time, but

1301
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:00,500
that's just me, right?
I personally subscribe to the

1302
01:23:00,500 --> 01:23:03,900
idea that most of us are
sentient within the simulation

1303
01:23:03,900 --> 01:23:07,700
and a smaller percentage of us
are NPC's.

1304
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:12,900
You guys ever heard of the Dead
internet Theory, know, basically

1305
01:23:12,900 --> 01:23:15,500
suggests that I don't remember
the exact percentage.

1306
01:23:15,500 --> 01:23:18,500
I'm just going to throw number
75 percent of the Internet is

1307
01:23:18,500 --> 01:23:24,400
just artificial intelligence.
Like zombified profiles is where

1308
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:27,400
I believe the term is.
Yeah, the that most of the

1309
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,400
profiles you interact with
online and most of the content

1310
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:35,700
that's on Mine is just generated
via artificial intelligence.

1311
01:23:35,700 --> 01:23:39,200
It's not actually a person
behind the profiles and that's

1312
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:41,200
like a big chunk of the
internet.

1313
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:45,600
So I think I think it is.
Most of us are sentient and then

1314
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:49,600
there's just a lot of things
being simulated to fill out the

1315
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:53,500
simulation, I see digital asset
so that would so that would go

1316
01:23:53,500 --> 01:23:57,500
into your idea that when people
talk about the population on

1317
01:23:57,500 --> 01:24:00,800
Earth, that it's not even close
to what they're saying, right?

1318
01:24:00,900 --> 01:24:02,800
Right?
I made a connection.

1319
01:24:03,700 --> 01:24:11,200
So just yeah, just as I mean to
be contrarian, I guess kind of

1320
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,800
the three options that Jake laid
out.

1321
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,900
I think there might be a fourth
one and maybe I missed it and

1322
01:24:16,907 --> 01:24:23,000
you're number two there.
But that our, how do you guys

1323
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:27,900
feel about the possibility that
we are all NPC's, right?

1324
01:24:27,900 --> 01:24:31,800
So, I know this is like one of
the darker ones because Okay,

1325
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:36,100
you know, there is no physical
body that Grayson is tied to

1326
01:24:36,100 --> 01:24:40,700
outside of the Matrix, right?
I'm just part of, I'm part of

1327
01:24:40,700 --> 01:24:44,300
the simulation and the
simulation is so Advanced that I

1328
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:48,300
believe that I am conscious,
right?

1329
01:24:48,300 --> 01:24:50,900
Like I, of course, I must be
real, you know?

1330
01:24:50,900 --> 01:24:54,200
I am real.
So I think that is kind of a

1331
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:57,900
fourth option is that we're all
NPCs.

1332
01:24:57,900 --> 01:25:01,300
And our, you know, our
descendants are the the ones

1333
01:25:01,300 --> 01:25:04,600
that are simulating us because
as I think the Matrix problem or

1334
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:08,000
the Matrix version of this
right, where, you know, they can

1335
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:11,200
get a little weird and a little
dicey Wyman, guess the whole

1336
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:15,900
topics Dyson weird.
But it's it's if yeah you know

1337
01:25:15,900 --> 01:25:20,400
if it's like if we're all
plugged in right physically

1338
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:26,100
plugged in and of that if my
Wife's simulation and my

1339
01:25:26,100 --> 01:25:27,800
simulation, you know, it's like,
oh cool.

1340
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:29,900
We met each other in the
simulated world.

1341
01:25:30,300 --> 01:25:31,900
You know what?
We have a son, you know?

1342
01:25:31,900 --> 01:25:35,600
So did our son get plugged in at
that time or?

1343
01:25:35,900 --> 01:25:38,900
Or is he not real right?
Is that I think that's where you

1344
01:25:38,900 --> 01:25:42,200
can get a little weird of just
like once you start tying things

1345
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:47,700
back to some biological that
somewhere in the future, where

1346
01:25:47,700 --> 01:25:50,800
it I guess instinctively in my
head, you know.

1347
01:25:50,900 --> 01:25:52,900
Just for the sake of the
argument is it makes a lot more

1348
01:25:52,900 --> 01:25:53,900
sense.
That no no no.

1349
01:25:53,900 --> 01:25:59,000
It's all Girl Code.
And we're all, you know, it's

1350
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:01,000
real to us.
It doesn't make it any less real

1351
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:03,600
to the NPC's in Arc.
Right.

1352
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,200
This is like know that dinosaur
really did that to that person,

1353
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:09,700
but it's all.
We're all NPCs.

1354
01:26:09,700 --> 01:26:11,500
You know, that's an interesting
idea.

1355
01:26:11,500 --> 01:26:13,700
There's a document, I've talked
about a few times.

1356
01:26:13,700 --> 01:26:16,000
I don't know if I've ever talked
about on this show, but it's,

1357
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:19,300
it's something that I'm going to
do an episode on in the future

1358
01:26:19,300 --> 01:26:22,600
here, but I'm just going to give
you like a little taste of it.

1359
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:25,600
It's the analysis.
And Iseman of Gateway process.

1360
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,800
It's an Army intelligence
command document that came out.

1361
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:33,100
And I think 1984 and it says in
there directly.

1362
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:37,000
It says the universe is one
gigantic hologram and your mind

1363
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:40,400
is also a hologram that decodes
the universal hologram.

1364
01:26:40,700 --> 01:26:44,200
So that could be what you're
saying with this fourth option

1365
01:26:44,300 --> 01:26:49,800
that we are just Ones and zeros
or something, they could also be

1366
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:51,900
dis information from
intelligence agencies do too.

1367
01:26:51,900 --> 01:26:59,000
So it's not say that true.
So this hologram include space.

1368
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:03,100
It says the universe is one
gigantic all around.

1369
01:27:03,500 --> 01:27:05,800
The universe has been expanding
space.

1370
01:27:09,900 --> 01:27:11,100
Alright.
We're back on Space.

1371
01:27:11,100 --> 01:27:18,100
Being real guys.
Yeah, the next week when we

1372
01:27:18,100 --> 01:27:23,200
think it's fake again Sonia,
it's funny.

1373
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:25,400
Because I have to say this, like
every time we talk about space

1374
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:27,700
but I don't necessarily think
there's nothing up there.

1375
01:27:27,700 --> 01:27:29,600
I just don't think the
information that were given

1376
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:33,800
about space.
Is you said I don't think I

1377
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:36,000
don't think they give us the
whole truth and nothing but the

1378
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:37,600
truth.
So I speak facetiously.

1379
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:39,200
Nice.
A space is fake.

1380
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:40,500
I think that there's a realm
there.

1381
01:27:40,500 --> 01:27:43,000
It's just not everything.
And only what they Dulles.

1382
01:27:43,500 --> 01:27:44,800
I told someone at work.
The day.

1383
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:47,200
The space was fake and they
start screaming and cussing at

1384
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:48,500
me.
It was actually pretty funny

1385
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:52,900
until I get that a lot, it was
great.

1386
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:57,600
Just like, I like all right man,
it's not that big of a deal just

1387
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:01,400
because you're a space believer
nerd.

1388
01:28:04,700 --> 01:28:07,600
Alright, last question, we're
already at it.

1389
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:11,200
Hour and a half here.
We're is our cancer, because

1390
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:16,100
he's just so quiet.
Mmm, this whole time is crazy.

1391
01:28:16,100 --> 01:28:20,100
Welcome back to the show.
Ken's are high, thanks here the

1392
01:28:20,100 --> 01:28:23,900
whole time.
But so, let's all play ball

1393
01:28:23,900 --> 01:28:25,800
here.
And let's say that we are in a

1394
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:30,900
simulation.
What's the purpose kinds are Oh,

1395
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:35,800
I don't know what's the purpose?
You're right on me.

1396
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:41,000
You want to be a host what did
Jake say and and that the

1397
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:46,600
episode we recorded on a flyer,
hit the ground or on a show

1398
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:48,500
called Tales from the Animal
Kingdom.

1399
01:28:48,500 --> 01:28:50,600
Awesome show.
We did a great job there, check

1400
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,100
it out.
But yeah, flyer hit the ground

1401
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:58,600
Ken's are what is the point of
the simulation?

1402
01:28:58,900 --> 01:29:00,300
That's actually A, a good
question.

1403
01:29:00,300 --> 01:29:03,900
I don't know.
I maybe just to exactly like you

1404
01:29:03,900 --> 01:29:05,800
said at the beginning, maybe
it's just too.

1405
01:29:07,700 --> 01:29:14,700
Figure out how to get it, right?
Hmm, and not destroy the

1406
01:29:14,700 --> 01:29:17,600
universe, or the planet or
whatever.

1407
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:21,800
Okay, the plane.
Yeah, the plane.

1408
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:23,600
That's a good word.
Thank you, Jeff.

1409
01:29:25,700 --> 01:29:27,300
Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
agree.

1410
01:29:27,300 --> 01:29:30,400
I think that that's the the
whole point of if we are in a

1411
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:32,800
simulation, I think the point
is, it's a school.

1412
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,100
It's a form of school, whether
it's a spiritual school or

1413
01:29:35,100 --> 01:29:38,800
physical school, you know, if
you take the physical route,

1414
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:41,000
it's yeah.
It's so that we don't fuck

1415
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:43,000
things.
Up and cause world wars and

1416
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:46,600
cause whatever, right?
The polar ice caps to melt, or

1417
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:50,200
take your pick of the thing, or
it could be as spiritual school,

1418
01:29:50,300 --> 01:29:53,200
you know, where you're supposed
to find your faith, or whatever

1419
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:55,700
the case is.
I think that it's just a school

1420
01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:57,900
for us to do one of these
things.

1421
01:29:57,900 --> 01:30:01,400
This is soul school and that's
what the attention of eventually

1422
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:04,500
leaving.
The simulation is kind of what

1423
01:30:04,500 --> 01:30:07,900
you're saying, I would hope so.
I like to think that that's the

1424
01:30:07,907 --> 01:30:10,300
case, right?
Like in The Matrix movie they

1425
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:12,600
get unplugged.
Now they're in Zion even though

1426
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:15,000
it's a terrible fucking place in
there being chased by human

1427
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:17,400
eating monsters or robots, or
whatever.

1428
01:30:19,100 --> 01:30:22,900
But yeah, I mean, you know,
let's take like the faith angle,

1429
01:30:22,900 --> 01:30:26,300
right, you die.
And if you follow the

1430
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:30,600
instruction book before leaving
Earth, right?

1431
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:34,100
The what is the anagram people
people say for the Bible, the

1432
01:30:34,100 --> 01:30:37,200
book I don't know, but you get
what I'm saying, right?

1433
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:41,100
You do the things you live by
the golden rules, you find the

1434
01:30:41,100 --> 01:30:46,100
faith, whatever it is, you get
to go on to Valhalla, right?

1435
01:30:49,300 --> 01:30:51,400
When that reality, be the same
for everybody.

1436
01:30:52,300 --> 01:30:56,500
Because you said earlier, you're
like you're God or whatever he's

1437
01:30:56,500 --> 01:30:57,900
called.
And all these different cultures

1438
01:30:57,900 --> 01:31:00,300
and stuff.
I think you said there's a

1439
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:03,800
million different examples.
I mean, technically speaking, if

1440
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:08,200
you're bringing in Hinduism,
there's 320 million, Hindu gods

1441
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:14,300
and goddesses right.
So, but the reality at the end

1442
01:31:14,300 --> 01:31:16,900
would be the same for everybody
if that was a circumstance.

1443
01:31:17,100 --> 01:31:19,600
And all of these gods and
goddesses and stuff.

1444
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:21,200
Call themselves different
things.

1445
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:24,600
They have different attributes,
they're not the same at all,

1446
01:31:24,700 --> 01:31:28,800
they're not compatible.
So we're one version of this

1447
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:31,400
deity is telling you to love
your enemies and pray for those

1448
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:34,100
who persecute you, the other
ones telling you to kill people.

1449
01:31:35,500 --> 01:31:38,000
Yeah, unless it was like a
different assignment for each

1450
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:41,800
person, I think it could be a
different assignment for each

1451
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:45,300
person or you could, I could
take it from your perspective,

1452
01:31:45,300 --> 01:31:48,200
where there is one assignment
and you have to figure out what

1453
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:52,600
that assignment is and you have
to follow the assignment.

1454
01:31:52,900 --> 01:31:54,800
So it could be either way.
I don't think there's any way

1455
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:58,600
for anybody to know for sure,
which is why you have so many

1456
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:01,800
different religions and things
like that out there is because

1457
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:04,100
nobody truly knows we all do,
right?

1458
01:32:04,100 --> 01:32:07,100
People have believed In faith
that they know what the truth

1459
01:32:07,100 --> 01:32:08,900
is.
But I don't think that know

1460
01:32:08,900 --> 01:32:13,800
anybody could say with
certainty, that anyone is wrong

1461
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:16,100
or right?
You just have to go on faith,

1462
01:32:16,900 --> 01:32:22,000
who it says, tall order mmm-hmm,
Jake?

1463
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:25,900
What's the end goal, right?
What's what's, the purpose or

1464
01:32:25,900 --> 01:32:28,100
the point?
Yeah, I mean what would be the

1465
01:32:28,100 --> 01:32:32,000
point of being a simulation?
Because this is something that

1466
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:35,900
you were asking earlier, right?
It would be for the fun of it,

1467
01:32:35,900 --> 01:32:41,100
for the person running it.
So you would think way and

1468
01:32:41,100 --> 01:32:42,500
what's the game that they play
in?

1469
01:32:43,100 --> 01:32:48,700
Think about working out, man?
Think about, like, not the Sims,

1470
01:32:49,100 --> 01:32:53,400
but there was a version.
Version like a bigger scale

1471
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:55,600
version of The Sims.
I used to play on a second

1472
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:59,800
later.
It was, it was a long time ago,

1473
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:01,100
I think Grace.
And I used to play it.

1474
01:33:01,100 --> 01:33:04,300
Honestly, this is I'm going to
dig in back like 20 years right

1475
01:33:04,300 --> 01:33:10,000
now and you could create more
control a city, all right?

1476
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:12,100
You're probably died of
dysentery.

1477
01:33:12,300 --> 01:33:17,600
You could create a city and
buildings, and amusement parks,

1478
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:20,900
and all kinds of stuff, and
there was kind of coon and

1479
01:33:20,900 --> 01:33:22,300
peace.
Is it lived in it?

1480
01:33:22,300 --> 01:33:24,400
I get it might have been tycho's
or something.

1481
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:27,200
RollerCoaster Tycoon, there you
go and then you could also

1482
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:31,200
attack the city with like aliens
and UFOs and like you know,

1483
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:33,200
natural disasters and all kind
of stuff SimCity.

1484
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:34,000
Is that it?
Okay.

1485
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:38,800
Yes, I'm sitting.
If we said that all of those

1486
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:45,500
NPCs thought that they existed
and you or me as the person that

1487
01:33:45,500 --> 01:33:50,100
created the city and created,
you know, Society for them and

1488
01:33:50,100 --> 01:33:52,900
then attack them with Natural,
disasters and stuff.

1489
01:33:53,900 --> 01:33:57,500
I'm playing a video game.
But what if they thought they

1490
01:33:57,500 --> 01:34:00,100
were real, right?
And it's just like, let's see

1491
01:34:00,100 --> 01:34:02,800
how many tornadoes I need to
make to turn the city into

1492
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:04,400
nothing.
Okay.

1493
01:34:05,100 --> 01:34:07,800
If this was a circumstance where
we were all stuck in a

1494
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:10,600
simulation, then I would imagine
that it would be for the

1495
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:13,100
enjoyment of the person,
creating the simulation.

1496
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:16,900
So, Jake is the kid with a
magnifying glass burning all the

1497
01:34:16,900 --> 01:34:18,500
ants.
Well, that's all that we have

1498
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:21,400
right now.
At our disposal, every single

1499
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:24,700
version of any simulation we've
ever played except for those

1500
01:34:24,700 --> 01:34:28,700
really dumb games of, there's no
Way to win, like, Flappy Bird.

1501
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:32,200
But we're all, we're all too
bad.

1502
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:36,800
Yeah.
Take that we're all playing our

1503
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:41,300
characters and the NPC's exist
for our enjoyment to play

1504
01:34:41,300 --> 01:34:45,100
through the mission into when,
you know, we are outside of that

1505
01:34:45,100 --> 01:34:48,200
particular simulation.
So the only thing I really have

1506
01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:51,300
to go off of is that right when
I play?

1507
01:34:52,300 --> 01:34:56,200
I don't play it anymore but when
I played Grand Theft Auto or

1508
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:59,600
Whatever everybody.
With the exception of being

1509
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:05,800
online, everybody that was there
was created by the game to

1510
01:35:06,300 --> 01:35:08,900
increase my enjoyment with the
game to play through the

1511
01:35:08,900 --> 01:35:11,600
missions and do all that sort of
stuff, right?

1512
01:35:12,500 --> 01:35:16,300
If they had existed in a reality
where they or they had existed

1513
01:35:16,300 --> 01:35:19,200
in a spot where they thought
that they actually existed,

1514
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:20,900
right?
And they're coming out to me

1515
01:35:20,900 --> 01:35:23,900
telling me those dumb, NPC,
things like giving me hints for

1516
01:35:23,900 --> 01:35:26,700
the game and stuff but that's
like they thought, Thought in

1517
01:35:26,700 --> 01:35:29,700
reality that that's you know hey
I'm giving you a tip, you should

1518
01:35:29,700 --> 01:35:31,700
use an umbrella when it's
raining, you know, you have it

1519
01:35:31,700 --> 01:35:36,900
cold quite as quickly, you know,
whatever it was but it's all

1520
01:35:36,900 --> 01:35:41,100
built for my enjoyment as the
person playing the game but I'm

1521
01:35:41,100 --> 01:35:44,700
saying, as a more broader sort
of thing, if we are all those

1522
01:35:44,700 --> 01:35:48,000
NPCs and we're all existing,
that's the model I'm using right

1523
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:51,300
now, which is Grayson's model
for all NPCs.

1524
01:35:52,100 --> 01:35:55,600
And somehow this Consciousness
exists in a form that we think

1525
01:35:55,600 --> 01:36:01,300
that we really exist.
But in reality we are our quote

1526
01:36:01,300 --> 01:36:05,700
unquote, Free Will and our
decisions is us already playing

1527
01:36:05,700 --> 01:36:07,300
through.
It's like fate already playing

1528
01:36:07,300 --> 01:36:11,200
through.
What is written for us to do for

1529
01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:14,500
the enjoyment of the person?
Or the being or whatever?

1530
01:36:14,500 --> 01:36:17,300
That created the simulation?
That's as deep as you're going

1531
01:36:17,300 --> 01:36:19,500
to get from me and I refuse to
believe it.

1532
01:36:22,900 --> 01:36:25,300
Make sense.
Yeah, makes all of a sudden

1533
01:36:25,300 --> 01:36:26,100
school.
Thank you.

1534
01:36:26,500 --> 01:36:28,700
Yeah you're the most sense.
What do you know?

1535
01:36:28,700 --> 01:36:31,900
You're an NPC.
Okay.

1536
01:36:31,900 --> 01:36:33,900
So what do you think man?
You think you exist?

1537
01:36:37,700 --> 01:36:42,200
Yeah, this is a Of all the stuff
we talked about, right?

1538
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:44,300
This is probably the biggest
questions like, well, why you

1539
01:36:44,308 --> 01:36:47,300
know, I forgive you if we give
this to you.

1540
01:36:47,900 --> 01:36:48,300
Yeah.
Okay.

1541
01:36:48,300 --> 01:36:49,800
We're all in the simulations.
Like, well, why?

1542
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:58,100
So there are a couple answers
that I have just remembered they

1543
01:36:58,100 --> 01:37:00,700
kind of stuck in my head of
like, oh, you know, this could

1544
01:37:00,700 --> 01:37:07,700
be interesting and I think that
you know, one of them is a

1545
01:37:07,700 --> 01:37:15,900
little I don't know a little
more futile than the other so I

1546
01:37:15,900 --> 01:37:17,500
guess we can start with that.
Is that?

1547
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:21,100
And just as a little background,
is just an example.

1548
01:37:21,100 --> 01:37:25,400
So I work for a Solar Company
and I just designed systems all

1549
01:37:25,400 --> 01:37:28,400
day, right?
So part of that step is to

1550
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:32,300
simulate how much production is
this system going to Output,

1551
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:35,100
right?
So I have control of a lot of

1552
01:37:35,100 --> 01:37:38,600
the parameters of this tool, you
know, I can just like, okay this

1553
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:41,100
is going to produce, you know.
X power.

1554
01:37:41,700 --> 01:37:44,000
Well, what happens if I put it
500 feet in the air?

1555
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:45,800
You know, does that change
anything or what?

1556
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:47,600
If what if I put it in
Antarctica?

1557
01:37:47,700 --> 01:37:50,500
You know, I was like, oh well,
let's simulate there, but there

1558
01:37:50,500 --> 01:37:51,900
are certain parameters that I
can't change, right?

1559
01:37:51,900 --> 01:37:54,100
Like, oh, this is where the sun
is, right?

1560
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:59,500
This is, you know, this is
historical weather data for the

1561
01:37:59,500 --> 01:38:02,400
area, you know, stuff like that.
I don't have control over.

1562
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:09,500
So what if The simulators right?
This is off the model of were

1563
01:38:09,500 --> 01:38:12,300
all NBC's, right?
There's no, there is no Matrix.

1564
01:38:12,300 --> 01:38:15,600
We are, you know, we're all the
lines of code.

1565
01:38:16,500 --> 01:38:21,400
You know, what if the simulators
are simulating, okay, what would

1566
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:25,800
Humanity look like if America
won the war, right?

1567
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:28,800
And then all these parameters,
just play out.

1568
01:38:29,300 --> 01:38:31,400
So it's not that it's fate
necessarily, right?

1569
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:34,300
Like one variable was input just
like, okay, Germany, Germany

1570
01:38:34,300 --> 01:38:40,400
loses And everything just plays
out right and all these NPC's go

1571
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:43,800
about their daily lives and one
thing leads to another and here

1572
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:47,600
we are right and then just as
easily, there would be another

1573
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:50,800
simulation where Germany wins
and you know and whatever base

1574
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:54,700
reality is, who knows.
So I think that's an interesting

1575
01:38:54,700 --> 01:38:56,500
one because we do that stuff
now, right?

1576
01:38:56,500 --> 01:38:59,700
That's my daily job is just like
changing variables and see what

1577
01:38:59,700 --> 01:39:03,200
the outcome is just.
It's not necessarily for fun but

1578
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:08,500
it's to educate yourself about.
How changing one little detail?

1579
01:39:08,500 --> 01:39:11,500
Can drastically change?
You know the result that you get

1580
01:39:11,500 --> 01:39:14,300
at the end?
So it's like the cause of the

1581
01:39:14,308 --> 01:39:17,400
Multiverse Yeah.
For sure.

1582
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:19,200
Yeah.
Well like I we didn't even touch

1583
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:22,900
the simulation argument, which
kind of implies that there are a

1584
01:39:22,900 --> 01:39:26,900
countless number of simulations
and we're just one of them. and

1585
01:39:26,900 --> 01:39:29,400
then I think the other one,
which we also didn't touch on

1586
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:35,900
which is kind of the most sci-fi
and I don't know fun one I think

1587
01:39:35,900 --> 01:39:46,200
is If we assume at some point,
we develop a, I right and to

1588
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:51,200
avoid a Skynet situation.
We before turning this thing

1589
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:52,800
online, right?
We're like, oh my gosh, we

1590
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:55,100
created this artificial
intelligence and we know that

1591
01:39:55,100 --> 01:39:57,000
it's just going to outpace us in
every way.

1592
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:02,800
How do we ensure that this AI
sees the value of humanity,

1593
01:40:02,900 --> 01:40:04,400
right?
Sees the value of keeping humans

1594
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:06,600
alive.
It's like, well, maybe it would

1595
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:12,400
make sense to give this a i the
experience of all the humans

1596
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:13,900
that ever existed.
Right?

1597
01:40:13,900 --> 01:40:16,900
Good and bad.
And then we are just an ancestor

1598
01:40:16,900 --> 01:40:21,600
simulation for this AI.
You know, teaching it that it's

1599
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:24,700
like, hey, this is what humanity
is, you know, and it would be

1600
01:40:25,500 --> 01:40:28,500
this simulation a billion times
over or whatever it takes, I

1601
01:40:28,500 --> 01:40:30,200
don't know.
But maybe this is like, we're a

1602
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:35,500
Fail-Safe for Terminator 2, so
that that doesn't happen.

1603
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:38,800
And I don't know.
I think that's kind of a more

1604
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:42,000
goofy one.
But it's, it was plausible, you

1605
01:40:42,008 --> 01:40:43,800
know?
Yeah, I like the first one.

1606
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:47,600
The first one is right out of
Philip K, dick and his man in

1607
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:51,000
the High Castle.
It's just you guys ever read

1608
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:57,700
that or think there's a show
now, but That's a.

1609
01:40:59,100 --> 01:41:04,600
That's right out of there.
So I'm going to go ahead and go

1610
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:09,100
down a different route.
I'm going to end this episode as

1611
01:41:09,100 --> 01:41:13,300
if it was a season finale of a
Futurama season and make

1612
01:41:13,300 --> 01:41:17,900
everybody cry or series.
You know, after how many times

1613
01:41:17,900 --> 01:41:23,700
Futurama ended What if I'm too
many.

1614
01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:29,400
What if?
There's only a few humans left

1615
01:41:30,100 --> 01:41:35,400
in order to feel.
What it felt like in the past to

1616
01:41:35,407 --> 01:41:38,800
be surrounded, by multiple
humans.

1617
01:41:40,300 --> 01:41:46,300
We plunged ourselves into a
reality in which we can feel not

1618
01:41:46,300 --> 01:41:52,700
alone again.
We simulated the world most of

1619
01:41:52,700 --> 01:41:57,300
us are NPCs.
And the few that are in their

1620
01:41:57,300 --> 01:42:02,700
little Chambers hooked up, are
the only ones left to live?

1621
01:42:04,500 --> 01:42:09,600
and we're really here just to
feel The Human Experience again.

1622
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:17,500
I heard that on another podcast
and I was like, wow, that's a

1623
01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:20,600
tearjerker right there.
That's super dark bro.

1624
01:42:20,700 --> 01:42:24,300
It's super dark, right?
But super dark, it's almost as

1625
01:42:24,300 --> 01:42:29,300
dark as Grayson's second idea
being because I thought that was

1626
01:42:29,300 --> 01:42:30,800
dark.
I was like, damn I really just

1627
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:36,600
like an AI living through this
experience and then wow, bro, ya

1628
01:42:36,700 --> 01:42:40,200
bum bum me out right here.
It is just wear what you wore

1629
01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:42,900
today.
Was it your decision or was it

1630
01:42:42,900 --> 01:42:45,800
already written in code?
That you would put those socks

1631
01:42:45,800 --> 01:42:48,400
on with those shoes in those
pants and that shirt?

1632
01:42:48,900 --> 01:42:51,400
Hopefully, those boxers and warm
walk out door.

1633
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:55,100
It makes me question whether or
not this is actually my favorite

1634
01:42:55,100 --> 01:42:58,000
sweater or not.
Now, do I think I'm like this

1635
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:03,300
thing, you know, Jeremy, it
turns out, I have no opinions on

1636
01:43:03,300 --> 01:43:04,600
that.
Clock, that you gave me with

1637
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:08,600
Bigfoot on it.
Hey, Terry hate it.

1638
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:12,000
Oh yeah, because No, my real
self likes it.

1639
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:18,600
I'm gonna rebuild no.
And, you know, when I when I

1640
01:43:18,608 --> 01:43:24,100
heard that I was like tease me
and that's like Like the end of

1641
01:43:24,100 --> 01:43:28,500
the true policy season finale.
I'm like, because I don't know

1642
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:31,900
if you guys watched Futurama
Ken's are, I think I heard you

1643
01:43:31,900 --> 01:43:35,000
say that, you have solutely.
I've watched like your every

1644
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:38,400
time they end that series man.
It's like I'm not crying.

1645
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:42,300
You're crying.
Because you were saying that all

1646
01:43:42,300 --> 01:43:46,600
I could think of was the episode
where farnsworth's parents got

1647
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:50,200
plugged into a simulation world.
Yes, yes.

1648
01:43:52,900 --> 01:43:55,000
Exactly.
Oh man.

1649
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:59,400
So That's it.
Grayson, thank you for coming

1650
01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:01,400
on, man.
I hope that you enjoyed the

1651
01:44:01,407 --> 01:44:03,700
conversation.
Yeah, of course, guys.

1652
01:44:03,700 --> 01:44:07,100
It's long overdue and it's nice
to finally.

1653
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:10,400
Yeah, talk with Jeff and Ken's
are too.

1654
01:44:11,800 --> 01:44:14,300
I gotta say this whole
experience has been kind of

1655
01:44:14,300 --> 01:44:17,800
surreal when I heard you guys,
Jeremy, giving your little Spiel

1656
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:21,700
at the beginning of the episode,
and then Jacob, you know, coming

1657
01:44:21,700 --> 01:44:23,300
in as just, like, introducing
the host.

1658
01:44:23,500 --> 01:44:26,300
So, I have heard that so many
times now, in my ears and then,

1659
01:44:26,500 --> 01:44:28,700
Realize like oh man, I got to
talk here in a second, you know.

1660
01:44:28,700 --> 01:44:34,600
It's 40 is very cool.
Thank you guys.

1661
01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:37,200
I appreciate the invite.
Hey, absolutely.

1662
01:44:37,300 --> 01:44:41,500
Like I said, well, once we get
everything hammered out for the

1663
01:44:41,700 --> 01:44:45,600
for like a really good Deep dive
into simulation Theory, where

1664
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:49,400
we're dumping out all the
evidence and going over all the

1665
01:44:49,400 --> 01:44:54,700
quantum physics and theories and
stuff, we'll have you back on

1666
01:44:55,300 --> 01:44:58,900
but I think that this was a fun
little experiment, you know,

1667
01:44:58,900 --> 01:45:03,400
this was a wasn't something that
I was initially wanting to do

1668
01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:08,500
for Grayson's first episode on
the show because Aires really

1669
01:45:08,500 --> 01:45:12,500
working hard to try to get this
all hammered out for him so that

1670
01:45:12,500 --> 01:45:17,200
you can come on and have his
mind blown and you know, give

1671
01:45:17,200 --> 01:45:20,300
them the infinite Rabbit Hole
experience but this conversation

1672
01:45:20,300 --> 01:45:22,100
was cool.
It was really cool.

1673
01:45:22,900 --> 01:45:27,800
I enjoyed all of your points of
views and you You guys did not

1674
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:31,200
disappoint.
I love these free flow

1675
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:33,800
conversations.
Man, these, this is my favorite

1676
01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:36,700
way to do things.
Well, don't get you some GIF,

1677
01:45:37,300 --> 01:45:40,000
man.
Yeah Grayson don't get worked up

1678
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:41,000
too.
Worked up over it.

1679
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:42,600
It's probably not even real
anyway.

1680
01:45:47,500 --> 01:45:53,000
And with that being said, you
just kind of wraps up what would

1681
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:58,800
normally be our season break.
So these freeform chat

1682
01:45:58,900 --> 01:46:01,500
conversation episodes, that Jeff
loves so much.

1683
01:46:02,500 --> 01:46:05,100
We will probably throw a few
more in whenever we need a break

1684
01:46:05,100 --> 01:46:08,900
because we're moving to a new
format but we have some really

1685
01:46:08,900 --> 01:46:14,500
exciting interviews coming up.
Next week, we'll be talking to

1686
01:46:14,500 --> 01:46:19,400
Sarah Cooper of the snallygaster
museum in Frederick County

1687
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:22,800
Maryland.
She is the owner of the only

1688
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:29,800
female run Cryptid Museum In the
world and she is a wealth of

1689
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:34,400
knowledge, into the
snallygaster, and it's gonna be

1690
01:46:34,407 --> 01:46:38,100
a lot of fun.
She is, she is in the world of

1691
01:46:38,100 --> 01:46:42,600
cryptozoology Cryptid con
travels and does all this cool

1692
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:47,100
stuff, you know, kind of
reminiscent of Asher's in a way.

1693
01:46:47,700 --> 01:46:50,600
And it's gonna be a lot of fun.
And I really do look forward to

1694
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:54,000
that and I look forward to
presenting that to The Travelers

1695
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:56,200
of the infinite rabbit hole
before Go.

1696
01:46:56,200 --> 01:46:59,200
Does anybody else have anything
to say to all the people

1697
01:46:59,200 --> 01:47:02,400
listening in tonight?
Come to the group?

1698
01:47:03,100 --> 01:47:05,000
Yes.
Come join us on the Facebook

1699
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:08,800
group.
We're dropping fire and blown

1700
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:13,000
each other's minds without giant
tadpoles and six foot and apes

1701
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:17,200
and all kinds of craziness.
Yeah, definitely check it out.

1702
01:47:17,500 --> 01:47:20,500
Buy a shirt or become a monthly
support or man.

1703
01:47:20,500 --> 01:47:25,500
Gas prices are crazy and it
might drive is a show from the

1704
01:47:25,500 --> 01:47:27,900
living room.
I'm to the offices intense.

1705
01:47:36,200 --> 01:47:40,200
Well if nobody else has anything
else to say, Grayson again

1706
01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:42,000
thanks man.
Really do appreciate you coming

1707
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:46,200
on Jake, Jeff Kender.
It's always a pleasure and I

1708
01:47:46,200 --> 01:47:50,100
can't wait to jump into.
I can't say the new season, it's

1709
01:47:50,108 --> 01:47:53,700
just going to be twenty 22s
version of the infinite rabbit

1710
01:47:53,700 --> 01:47:56,600
hole.
Thank you all for sticking with

1711
01:47:56,600 --> 01:48:00,400
us for so long and next week
starts to New Journey.

1712
01:48:01,300 --> 01:48:04,300
Thank you for meeting us at this
point in the infinite rabbit

1713
01:48:04,300 --> 01:48:06,100
hole.
We'll see you next time.

1714
01:48:07,300 --> 01:48:10,900
Bye.
Chrissy, has a bye bye.

1715
01:48:11,300 --> 01:48:12,100
There it is.